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Today, Hey everybody, this is
Less Striving. Yes, yes, I

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know aka Survivor Man, and you're
listening to Brian Sais. Hey guys,

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and welcome back to Sasquatch Odsey.
Thank you so much for clicking play.

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It is Friday. I hope you
guys have had a great week. You

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have an amazing guest lined up for
you. But as always, I want

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to start by inviting you. If
you've had an account and you'd like to

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be on the show, shoot me
an email. You can get me at

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Brian at Paranormal World Productions dot com. You can head over to the website

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check it out, become a member
there and help support the show. We

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have a great guest line end up
for you. Today. I got to

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sit down and talk to Robin over
in South Carolina, and this interview took

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some turns that I was not expecting
it to take. She has some really

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interesting encounters that she shares with you, sort of a habituation situation. I'll

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let her tell you all about that, but gosh, about forty minutes into

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the interview, she springs on me
that she was involved in the Milbo Catchum

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DNA study in a pretty significant way. Now. Prior to us booking her

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to come on the show, I
had no idea. So I was in

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shock, frankly, because I've been
trying to get doctor Ketchum on the show

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to talk about this forever. And
we get into quite a bit of things

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that have to do with this DNA
study, about what happened ten years ago

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and what's happening currently. So you
definitely want to stick around and wait until

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the last thirty minutes of this interview
when we talk about the DNA study.

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It's definitely something you don't want to
miss. We do talk about some photographs

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in this interview that Robin is going
to send me, and I've got those

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posted. If you're listening to this
now, it's up on the website Paranormal

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World Productions dot com. You can
check out the sasquat ch Otosy blog at

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the top of the page there and
see them. There also linked to a

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YouTube video where she's talking about the
close up of this purported sasquatch that was

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posted back in twenty thirteen, so
you can see that as well. You

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can also see the photographs on our
Instagram page at Sasquatch Odyssey. All the

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links are right here in the show
notes. But enough of that. I

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know you guys are ready to get
into it. Robin's on the line,

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She's ready to go, So you
gotta sit back, relax, and enjoy

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the show. I forgot. Welcome
my guests to the show. It is

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Robin from next door to here in
North Carolina, in South Carolina. Welcome

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to the show. Robin, thanks
so much, appreciate it. I am

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glad to have you here. So
let's get right into it. Let's talk

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about Sasquatch. I know you've got
a ton of experiences to share with us,

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so let's take its chronologically, and
why don't you just take us back

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to the first time you had an
experience and tell us where you were,

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what you were doing, and what
happened to you. I was very young.

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I have memories back when I was
like as crazy as it sounds,

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I have memories back to two and
three years of age. They used to

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look in the window. They still
do today, but they used to look

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in the window all the time.
Where I lived at it was in the

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city, but there was a lot
of woods around as well. And as

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I got a little bit older,
four and five. Back then you could

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let your kids outside and you weren't
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abducted. And so I would go
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I just automatically that was where I
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And there was three or four of
them would actually stand out of the tree

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line and watch me. And then
we moved and the place that we moved

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to had at the end of our
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large amounts of woods, and they
had these dirt mounds. You could ride

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your bike on it. And I
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sand castles in the sand and the
dirt and everything. And again I would

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have them. They would come out
for me. I don't really know anything

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different. It was always they just
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the window. And you say they
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Were you able to get a good
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face their build? Can you describe
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Yeah, what you saw looking through
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when you were standing outside. Oh, sure, Number one, everyone is

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individually different. You will not find
any two alike. They come in all

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hair colors, all skin tones.
Like, just because you see one that's

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great, does nap mean it's old? Okay, white, does nap mean

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they're an albino. I have one
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with all the time now, and
he's white haired, but his head is

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shaped exactly like a human man.
It does not look anything like you would

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think you would see in a sasquatch. And you have the ones with the

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corneal heads, you have some with
a flatter nose. They all are extremely

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different. Hair lengths is the same
thing. There's a female named Sadie that

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brought her baby to see me one
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the time, and she had hair
she reminded me of cousin it. Her

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hair was salon and it was copper
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the hair would just fall off the
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But they're all extremely different. Predominantly
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ones, but I find that there's
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any shape. Facial features vary as
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about Obviously you were having these situations
where you were able to see these things

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looking in the window and you're seeing
them stand around. Did it go as

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you were moving? Were you guys
in a really wooded area? Were you

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just on the sort of the periphery
of the wooded area. What kind of

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layout are we talking as far as
the land is concerned, And is that

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something that moved as you guys moved? And were these things following you?

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Were you interacting with other individuals.
When I was little, it was different

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individuals. We always lived in the
suburbs, in subdivisions and so on the

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outside of the subdivisions were wooded areas. But then I had friends that would

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have forty fifty acres of land at
their house. Everywhere I went, these

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things popped up, and I would
say, it's me, except other people

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saw them when I did. The
only common denominator was me, And I

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don't have any memories when they weren't
there. I guess it's the easiest way

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to put it. And then as
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would just stand away at a distance. They were closer the window peakers.

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That's all the time they do that. Here. I was in bed one

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night and I woke up at two
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have curtains over my windows. I
find it really irritates someone that can't look

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in. I'd change in the bathroom
and that kind of thing, and they

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would just look in the window.
So it was always comforting for me because

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I never knew anything different. How
are you afraid of something that you don't

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remember weren't there? So for like
me, it's a little bit different.

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Doesn't mean I've never been afraid of
them, Absolutely not. There's I've dealt

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with some bad ones, and you
know, they weren't actively trying to hurt

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me. They're trying to hurt other
people, and you should have a healthy

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share of them. But the ones
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growing up and still are, I
get nothing but peace from them. You

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know. When I was a kid
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lot, but when we did move, there was different groups there. It

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just seems that where ever I end
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The ones that were in Michigan.
When I moved here to South Carolina,

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it took us all of less than
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So we already knew, and so
that I was pretty confidentble and I can

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feel them like they radiate a certain
energy, and I've always been around it,

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so it's really easy for me to
pick them up, and so I

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knew they were here. I was
extremely happy when the ones that I was

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closest to in Michigan showed up.
They were hard to leave. So let's

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talk a little bit about that.
You said there were other people around when

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you were having these experiences as a
child and then even later on in adulthood.

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Was that something that your mom and
dad were aware of as you were

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a child. Were they aware of
what you were experiencing and what you were

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having these experiences with? Was it
something that the family talked about? What

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did that look like as far as
your family unit and these things are concerned.

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Now, it's a very comfortable situation. When I was a kid,

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my mom and dad, I was
the one that was seeing them all the

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time, and my friends would come
over and if they were around me,

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they would see them, and they
were always asking me, what is that?

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Do you see that? Do you
see that? By the time I

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was seven, I knew that net
everybody was getting what I was getting.

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Even though I had people that saw
them, and so I was so hyper

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protective, Like I really am extremely
protective of them, and I didn't talk

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a lot about them, and except
to people that were really close to me.

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The people that were really close to
me would see interaction as well.

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I did ask my mom and dad
when I was five, because I was

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so obsessed with the Six Structures.
With them, they teach you everything is

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about the teachings, and when I
was really little, it was showing me

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the Six Structures because they are a
form of communication, and I would see

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all these things, like my mom
and dad might see footprints and not understand

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what the footprints were. So when
I was five, I finally said,

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I need you to tell me about
them, and they couldn't. Patterson and

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Gimlin hadn't released anything yet, there
was no books in a library. The

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things I know about them I never
read in a book. They taught me.

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I learned it from watching them and
from what they taught me. So

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it was very odd in the beginning
because I'm interacting with these things. They

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can verbally speak, and how do
you explain that to people when the world

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doesn't know they're there? Now,
as I got older and I had my

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own children. Of course, my
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I kept it very limited who I
would allow at my home because by

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that time they were at my house
every time and it was a daily thing.

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And so the people that I left
come to my house they were safe

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with. I felt that they were
safe and I could talk to them about

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it. I was fortunate my mom
and dad never did this. Oh,

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she's crazy, she's making it up, she's lying. My mom has always

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been very steadfast, and you're not
a liar. I know you. If

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you say they're there, I'm going
to believe you because I know you well.

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She now knows that it was all
true anyway, because this time has

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went on, things only stay hidden
for very long. When I got older

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and I was living in Michigan,
the group that was there, they walked

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around my property because I had a
wooded property of ten acres, They walked

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around the yard freely all day long. It was not a big deal.

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Nighttime, they would come outside my
window and my bedroom and they would knock

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on it, and they'd knock,
and they'd knock and they knack, And

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I did the one thing they tell
everybody not to because I didn't have any

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guide. Luce, I didn't have
anybody to go to. I went out

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and sat with him at night.
I was that crazy woman in her pajams

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at two thirty in the morning,
sitting out on a log with all of

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these pick foots walking around me talking. They have their own language as well

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as ours, and I could hear
them talking theirs. I would just go

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out there with them and interact.
And I don't advise that the group I

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was with I was very blessed because
they could have gotten really bad at any

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given time, and they didn't,
and they never tried anything. It was

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really a very easy going, comfortable
relationship. I had people that would come

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over and I'd take them out with
me as well. I never took him

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out in the middle of the night, but we would go out ten eleven,

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twelve o'clock at night and sit in
my yard and they would watch him

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walk around. My mom she came
over to the house one time. She

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spent the week into my house,
and I was careful with what I told

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her because I didn't want to frighten
her, and she knew about them.

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I never kept that a secret,
but knowing about them and having one standing

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outside your window in the middle of
the night is a little bit different.

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And so I didn't really tell her
about the interaction at night. And she

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got up the next morning and she
said, what was knocking on the window

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all night long? And it was
my fault because I had given her my

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bedroom. I went and stayed in
another room so that she would be more

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comfortable. They did what they normally
did. They went to me at night

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and she said they knocked all night
long, and she said, I swear

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somebody's trying to break into the house. I could hear talking. And then

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as I got older, I started
working with people. And I'm not an

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expert. I will never claim to
be an expert. I don't know everything.

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I think I do, okay,
but I don't know everything. And

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so people would come to me and
want to know how to interact with them

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in a good way and learn about
their culture and them as a people,

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because they are by people. They're
not our people, okay, but they

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are a type of people. And
I would work with people. And I

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went away for the weekend with my
mom and my daughter, and we were

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staying at a hotel and I said, listen, I work with people all

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over the world, so I do
get people that contact me in the middle

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of the night. I said,
I tried to tell everybody I was going

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to be busy, but if I
didn't and the phone goes off, I'm

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so sorry. I'm not trying to
wake you up. Somebody called me that

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was having an issue and it was
three three thirty in the morning, so

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I took the phone. I went
into the bathroom and I'm in there talking

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to this person. I'm like,
it's okay, okay, you're totally misreading

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it. It's all right, this
is why they're doing it. This is

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how you need debate. It's going
to be okay, nobody's trying to hurt

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you. And I worked with it
for forty five minutes to an hour,

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and I came round of the bedroom
and my mom was sitting up on the

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bed and I said, I'm so
sorry. I didn't want to wake you

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up. And she looked at me
and she said, this is all real.

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I said, yeah, I know. I told you it was and

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she said, I always believe you. She said, I never doubted you.

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But when you have people calling you, she said, your phone never

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stops. Disc goes on every single
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long. She said, they're not
calling you because you don't know what you're

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talking about. And I said,
yeah, I know. And after that

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it was like a training put shift
common knowledge in our family. My sisters

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never had experiences with them. She
thought she saw him a couple of times,

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but she wasn't sure. My kids
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Some of them will readily admit that
others load because they broth had didn't happen.

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But it has just always been part
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never a big deal. Like for
me, it's perfectly normal. I would

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rather go out in the woods and
have a hundred sasquatch out there that I've

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never interacted with and feel safe with
them, and go out in the woods

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with a hundred strangers of our people
that I don't know any day of the

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week. I'm more comfortable with them. So let's talk a little bit about

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these interactions. When you say interactions, ocean in their mind what that means

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to them, right, because that's
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an interaction is walking up and shaking
somebody's hand and having a conversation,

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that kind of thing. Thinking in
human form, right, we're thinking in

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human terms. Yeah, when you
say interaction with these things, describe a

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little bit more in detail the kind
of interactions. How did it start,

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when the interactions began, has it
morphed into different things, has it progressed

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over the years. So let's go
into a little bit more detail about those

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kind of interactions, how that started, what it looked like in the beginning,

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and where it's went as far as
current day. Okay, in the

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beginning, when I was really little, it was more of them watching me

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and me getting comfortable with them being
around, and they did the same thing.

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They played the same games with my
granddaughter, but roll a small pubble

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up to me so I could roll
it back look in the window. I

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would be playing, and they would
laugh, or they would try to talk.

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And you have to get used their
speech, because it is they have

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a much bigger voice range. They
can go much higher and much lower.

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Also, we talk from like up
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where there's this more guttural down in
the clavical area, So it takes a

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lot to get used to. I'm
not real fluent in it. I can

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make it out when they speak in
their own tongue. It sounds like gibberish

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ninety miles an hour. So it
was interaction as far as games like he

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would play with a child. As
I got older, it was more so

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still looking in the windows, of
course, but they would come up on

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the deck and they'd look in my
sliding door or my head chickens, and

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I would go out. All my
chicken eggs would be gone, and i

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would see all these giant footprints and
I'd be like, Okay, I don't

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care if you have some. I
still need him for kids. Immediately after

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that, half the eggs were always
left gifts. They are forever leaving gifts

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on my doorstep, whether it's white
rocks, feathers, flowers, whatever they

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want to. As time progress,
it was more you can call them interactions,

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you can call them experiences. It
got to the point where if I

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was in the side yard, one
that I'm very close to would walk up

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from the woods. He would walk
out in the open and he would come

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and stop about ten feet from me. I did have one here in South

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Carolina that it was very late at
night. I don't necessarily know it was

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a planned thing, but he did
come up and it's really weird because it's

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really fuzzy. I remember him coming
up to me and I remember the feel

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of his hair on my wrist.
I think he was trying to tell me

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something. I don't remember what it
was. It's really weird. It's very

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foggy, but it was never anything
aggressive. I've not been in a situation

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they tried to hurt me. The
only one that ever tried to hurt me

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was in Texas, and I was
was someone that was setting up a research

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site and these were not very nice
ones. And his grandchildren were out there

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and the kids had climbed up in
this tree stand and I looked at my

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friend because there was animal bones all
over the place, which is what they

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call a killing field. It's where
they go to eat. They take the

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kill, they go there, they
eat, and I'm like, we've got

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to get out of here, like
you just took your grandkids for dinner table.

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This is not cool. We gotta
go. And the kids wouldn't come

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down. They could see them in
the woods walking towards them, and the

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kids were up high. So I
went and stood between the main one that

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was there and the kids, and
they wanted the kids left there. I

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refused to do it, and they
just kept saying the children. I'm like,

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no, I'm not leaving the kids. So I got the kids to

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try to come down the tree stand
and he bluff charged me. When he

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bluff charged me, he went directly
right next to me, leveled this palmetal

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bush that was right next to me, blew my hair right off my shoulder.

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But I was more concerned about the
kids than I was me. And

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then after that I got the kids
out of the tree stand. He did

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chase the trump. He never did
anything. But normally they are pretty good.

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Right now. If I go out
in the backyard and there's any out

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there, I can't away, was
promised they're there. They love the dogs.

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They especially We have a white Pyrenees
and they absolutely love this Pyrenees and

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she'll go right to the fence where
they're at and they'll stand right in the

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bushes or I can see them.
But they've done some crazy things. I

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have many pegs, and I have
these dogs and my many pigs have a

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pen in my garage, and they
love the animals like. I don't have

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aggression problems with them. With my
animals. They've never hurt an animal.

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I've had, and the youngsters can. It's like dealing with vam rubble.

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They've got the superhuman strength and they
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I went into town one day and
I came back and my whole garage door,

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the lower part of it, they've
been it in to be able to

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get in the gardge with the pigs, and they bent the wheels right off

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the track, literally snapped up.
I went in there and there's all these

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footprints all over. As I went
into the garage, they were running out

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the back door and jumped over the
fence. They never hurt anything. It's

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interaction, somewhat controlled interaction. Like
I get a lot of the adolescents.

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They're quieting on my ruff and they're
pounding on the ceilings and everything. And

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I'm that woman that runs out in
the middle of the night and says,

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you will get your hairy butts off
this roop, or I'm getting hold of

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somebody, and somebody's gonna get in
trouble, and then you hear laughter,

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and they go from that to the
pine trees and down. But I have

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had them approached me many times in
the woods. We found early on taking

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pictures of me in the woods.
Usually you find something in the photos because

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they follow me around. When I
was in Michigan and that particular group there,

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that group was like nothing I've ever
encountered, and it was just the

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best, Like they were the most
loving, wonderful people ever. The ones

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I have here now, I've got
three clans here plus some of my Michigan

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group, and they're fine. I
don't have problems at all with them,

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but it's not as good as it
was when I was in Michigan with that

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group. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch
Odyssey right back after these messages. They

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like predictability, They like to be
in control. They like to know what

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you're doing. So every day I
would walk the same path around the ten

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acres and it was like little games. I'd walk the loop the first time,

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i'd go back the second time,
and they all put trees down in

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front of me and I laughter,
and I knew they weren't stopping me.

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They thought it was funny, and
I'm like, yeah, you're still following

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me, and this is me ignoring
you and walking around the tree and you

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would just hear the woods erupt with
laughter, and I'm like, I know

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you're there like just stop, you
know, or I'd see him walking parallel

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with me. Eventually I met eger
war stuff. He found me because I

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had only contacted one person in the
bigfoot world, because I'm not the only

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one. I have people that have
witnessed this with me and seeing them writing

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around the yard. My God's son
he asked me one day. And he's

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military now and he called me one
day and he said it was all true.

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I said, I get that a
lot from people. Is it all

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true? He said, no,
I remember the monkey then, yeah,

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robbing it. I remember them when
I was little and he said they just

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were huge, and I'm like yeah. And he said he was watching something

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on TV and there was something about
the big Foot on it and he said,

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I always knew it was true.
He said, but I just had

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to call you because of what I
was watching on TV. And I'm like,

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yeah, it was true. No
problem. There's certainly a lot to

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unpack there. I'm taking notes as
you're talking here, and I want to

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go back to you were just talking
about some of the interactions and the bluff

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charge. I've documented some rather aggressive
encounters over the last couple of years involving

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people and dogs, I wrote down
that you had interactions with some of the

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bad ones. Can you talk about
some of those interactions and how they went

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and what kind of regression that you
were experiencing, because I think for a

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lot of people, there are different
experiences that they have with these creatures,

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and I think it's important to talk
about all of those. If you would

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talk about some of the more negative
interactions that you've had with them, Yeah,

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And that's one thing I try to
tell everybody. You will never hear

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me say that they're all wonderful,
because they're not okay, and everybody's entitled

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them, and I respect everybody's right
to their own opinion. First off,

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I don't try to change anybody's mind, because when their mind is ready,

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it'll change. But they are a
type of people. They really are,

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and I've known it my whole life. I worked with doctor Melba Quetchum.

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I still work with her today on
the new crypto genome project. The DNA

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backed it up, the DNA I
turned down on them, backed it up.

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We had so many different kinds of
samples that all backed it up.

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But I already knew it. I
already knew it. I originally when I

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interacted with them as a small child. I'm such an animal lover. I

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just thought they are an animal in
the would. But when they can talk

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to you, when they have a
written language, when they have their own

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alphabet, when they can draw and
they can write, they're no longer any

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more animal than we are. But
they're not our type of people. We

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need to be clear and that they
are not. And their culture is one

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hundred percent different, and a lot
of problems with them as miscommunication. But

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there are bad ones. And because
of the vibrational energy that they have,

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that frequency and that energy, every
emotion they feel is so much deeper than

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ours. They love deeper and they
hate deeper. And our people have not

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been kind to them. Okay,
our people to kill what they don't understand

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rather than learning about it. And
there's some that are just bad. We

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have rapists, murders, pedophiles,
psychopath all these things in our own people

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they do as well. I am
all about making sure people know that there

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is the flip side to it,
that there is a bad fide to it.

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Predominantly my experience are positive. That
people I work with are mixed whether

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their experience is theirs. But a
lot of it comes down to not reading

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the signs, not understanding the communication
that they do have, and then you

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have ones that are just lethal.
They hate us, they want nothing to

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do with us, and they avoid
us at all costs. But then we

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go into the woods and we're so
curious. It's like poking the bear.

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It's not all our fault, but
it's also not all theirs. Every situation

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is different. No two are going
to parallel. You can come up with

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parameters as to explanations, like the
throwing of the racks. Okay, little

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tiny pebbles, they'll toss it,
you r little acorns or whatever. That's

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a playful thing to say, hey, we're here. Are you aware that

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we're here? And that keeps them
safe. When it gets to a little

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bit bigger stone, it could be
something they're playing with. It could be

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now you're getting a little too close
for comfort. The bigger the stone,

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the closer you're getting out of them, and it's their way of getting you

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to back off. If you're still
not backing off, you're going to get

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some major sized boulders at you because
now you've crossed the perimeters, you are

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too close for their comfort. They
have families, they have children and mates

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and parents, and it's the same
thing with us. If you're sitting in

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your house and somebody walks in your
home unannounced, opens the door and just

409
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.599
comes in, there is nothing you
will not do to protect your family,

410
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.319
as it should be. But when
we go out in the woods, we're

411
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:44.920
now in their world too, So
you may inadvertently come up on something that

412
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.799
you may not have been looking for, but you're all there at the same

413
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.839
time. Another thing that a lot
of people don't realize. The ones that

414
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.559
are good are extremely protective not only
of their families, but they are helpful

415
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.680
with ours. Okay, they've saved
my life on multiple occasions. I know

416
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.680
they can do it, and I
work with a lot of people that have

417
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.920
had those similar experiences. And I
also have worked with a lot of people,

418
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.200
including myself, where they have literally
stopped somebody from coming in the woods,

419
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.240
now because they're meaning aggressive, but
because there's something else in the woods

420
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.799
could harm them. They've stopped me
from walking right into where randlesnakes are.

421
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:25.319
They've stopped me from being out there
with an aggressive bigfoot, and they told

422
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.839
me to go in the house and
they pelted that thing with rocks. But

423
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.160
The thing is, when it comes
from the throwing of anything, their aim

424
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.279
is perfect. It doesn't miss.
If they want to hit you, there

425
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.440
is nowhere on planet Earth you're going
to go and not get hit. So

426
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.440
if they're missing you, they're warning
you. And yes, it's big and

427
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.279
it's bad, and it's scary because
they're so different from us. But the

428
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.279
truth is we scare them as much
as they scare us. But everybody needs

429
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:55.519
to be aware that they're not all
good. They absolutely aren't predominantly, yes,

430
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.240
and I believe that, but not
all of them. Let's talk a

431
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.119
little bit about some of the things
that you've mentioned so far. I want

432
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.720
to go back to you mentioned the
clan that you were interacting with in Michigan.

433
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.680
Some of those at least in part, followed you down to South Carolina.

434
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.440
We're talking probably six or seven hundred
miles of a trek that these things

435
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.400
made. Let's talk a little bit
about how that came about. And obviously

436
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.319
I don't know if you've been able
to connect with them and have a conversation

437
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.319
or whatever that looks like to figure
out why they migrated to that area.

438
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.559
Can you talk a little bit about
that in that situation, sure. Number

439
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.640
one, they do not migrate.
What happens is when they have to go

440
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.839
to follow up food sources, they
will send the hunters for that clan,

441
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.759
and those hunters will go get the
food and bring it back. Sometimes they're

442
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.960
gone several weeks whatever. But they
do not migrate. Everybody thinks they migrate

443
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.599
because they may not be as visible
at different times of the year. They

444
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.079
don't migrate any more than we do. Now. That doesn't mean that some

445
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.759
won't, like some of our older
people will be like, I'm not sticking

446
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.960
around in Michigan. It's too cold. I'm going self for the way.

447
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.799
That's not a migrate. That's just
getting away because you don't like the climate

448
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.799
of it at that time of year. So just so that we're clear on

449
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.279
that. The other thing is I
was really worried, like when I was

450
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.240
moving in Michigan and I didn't move
a lot, but when I did,

451
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.960
they showed up. Wherever I was
at, they followed, and I thought

452
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.920
that was really cool. When I
came to South Carolina, I came down

453
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:25.640
here to be near grandchildren and my
children. I had some children that were

454
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:30.599
here, others in Michigan, and
I wanted that time with them and the

455
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.519
grand kids. It killed me to
leave that group, like I am so

456
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:40.680
emotionally attached to them, like it's
crazy, and there was nobody in the

457
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:45.319
world more happy when they showed up
here. I was thrilled the fact that

458
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.079
they even cared enough to do it
the whole land in come down here.

459
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.839
I had three out of what was
like sixty individuals that actually came down here,

460
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.279
and I have pictures of them,
and we talked about that. I

461
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.079
can send you some pictures that sent
a problem and they just showed up.

462
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.240
There's different ways I can tell you
that they did. Some that people would

463
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.440
believe, some that don't. Number
one, they can want great distances and

464
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.880
they don't care how long it takes
them to get there. Then there are

465
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.519
paranormal aspects to that as well.
It just depends on the individual group,

466
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.200
and it also depends on that clan. Not all clans will use any type

467
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.480
of paranormal things. Some are strict, like with Amish, which is the

468
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:27.119
best way I can explain it.
We have Amish cultures where they don't use

469
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.839
electricity, others, do you know, It depends on that particular sector.

470
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.640
And what I've noticed with the clans
because I've worked with so many of them.

471
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:41.240
Now, is that depending on the
clan? Is the methods I get

472
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.400
you. You mentioned it earlier,
the stick structures and what those mean,

473
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.119
the teachings, and obviously you mentioned
speech in their own language, and in

474
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.720
the hours I want to are you
going to talk a little bit about that?

475
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.839
What does that look like, what
does that entail? How did you

476
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:02.559
learn because when you started talking about
this, to mind with the famous case

477
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.960
of the fifty years with Bigfoot,
Janie Carter talked about their own language,

478
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.559
and she's even shared some of that
over the course of some podcast interviews.

479
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.960
I've rebroadcasted a couple of her interviews
over here and talked about that at Nauseam.

480
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.240
So let's talk a little bit about
what that looks like with these individuals

481
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.759
that you're dealing with. How do
they learn our language? What is their

482
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.519
language like? And how have you
been able to put all that together and

483
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.200
understand what you've come to understand about
these things. First of all, Janis

484
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.359
Carter is a friend, and she's
absolutely right about the language. For me,

485
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.200
when it first started them talking to
me, I heard it sounded like

486
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.920
gibberish at first, and then the
English came. I do know, depending

487
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.559
on location, if they want,
they can talk any language they weren't.

488
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.400
They can mimic anything, and they
are capable of any language that there is

489
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:59.039
out there. It was very normal
when they started talking in English. It's

490
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:00.880
hard for people to understand it.
I'm not a pro at it. I'll

491
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:06.559
admit that I can get bits and
pieces and eventually get what they want,

492
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.880
what they're talking about, but it
can be really tricky just because of the

493
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.519
vocals that they have. But they
are more than able to do it.

494
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.000
If you went to Mexico and people
are speaking Spanish, eventually you're going to

495
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.799
learn Spanish. I spoke of the
Scientific International Conference in Siberia with Egor bore

496
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.039
Stuck. The ones there would speak
in Russian and I was like, you

497
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.079
have to stop. Egos tried for
years. I will never be able to

498
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.839
learn Russian. It's not going to
happen. And they were very good at

499
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.480
switching it over to English for me. But yeah, they're capable of all

500
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.000
of that. They have their own
alphabet, they can write, they can

501
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.799
read. It is a different culture, it is a different way of life.

502
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.160
And what I've noticed too is by
location, they do a lot of

503
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.720
the Native American traditions, not all, but some of them, the ones

504
00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.000
that were in the area where Janice
was, and some of the Native America

505
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.079
Can words are their own language words
that they would use. When I used

506
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.359
it on mine in per same Michigan, there was some confusion, you know,

507
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:08.519
and they would say, oh,
that means that, but this is

508
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.079
how we say it here. Now. I was on a jibway land there,

509
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.039
so I think in my own opinion, that has a lot to do

510
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:20.559
with that as well. But they
can speak in any language that's necessary,

511
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.720
and they're quite fluent in it.
It does sound like it's broken English at

512
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.839
times, so it depending on the
individual is whether or not it flows a

513
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:34.319
little bit better. You mentioned earlier
Sadie brought her baby to let you see

514
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.519
her baby, and I want to
talk a little bit about that because I'm

515
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.160
actually speaking at a conference next month
and we're breaking down the Paul Framan footage

516
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.400
from back in I think it was
nineteen ninety two where he recorded what looks

517
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.279
like a huge sasquatch walking across the
trail, and it's been enhanced and Doug

518
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.480
high Check from Monster Request has done
a lot of work and we're going to

519
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.240
show that at the conference end.
Cliff Berrickman and I, along with doctor

520
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.240
Jeff Meldrum and Paul Freeman's son Michael, are going to break that down and

521
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:08.679
talk about that. But it's very
rare that anybody gets to see what most

522
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.039
would consider a baby sasquatch, much
less have one of these things bring it

523
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.960
to you and let you see it. Can you talk a little bit about

524
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:22.719
what the process was like for that
too eventually happen for you and is that

525
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.880
something that has happened multiple times or
how closely do they allow you to get

526
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:31.159
and interact with the claim. To
be clear, they're the most protective things

527
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.679
that there is out there when it
comes to their children. Okay, And

528
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.639
that footage that you're talking about is
tremendous. It's one of my favorite.

529
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.239
The situation was Sadie. They had
been interacting with me daily all day long,

530
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.840
plus at night in Michigan, and
I had seen her around, but

531
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.159
not a lot like I would catch
glimpses of her walking through the woods.

532
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.159
I was at home, I had
someone with me. I was nappy,

533
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.559
only one there at the time when
this happened. Although she didn't my friend

534
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.679
get as close to the baby as
I did, but I also didn't try

535
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.760
to get overly closed. Would she
have let me, I don't know,

536
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.079
because it was more of a respect
thing. I was at home. I

537
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.559
was in my bedroom holding clothes,
and the dog started barking outside, and

538
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.360
I thought, what in the world's
going on. I looked into the backyard

539
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.920
and it looked like she was like
an orangish copperish color hair, and I

540
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.559
saw her by the trees and she
was pacing back and forth. I didn't

541
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.519
realize there was a child out there. This was a new a little baby.

542
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.880
He wasn't very big, and so
I walked outside because at that point,

543
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.280
was I looking at something that was
one of our people, one of

544
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.800
their people. Whatever. So I
walked outside, brought the dog in the

545
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:44.559
house, and I walked back out
once I realized what it was, and

546
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.679
there was this small, chocolate covered
little baby. It was a little boy,

547
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.400
and he was down at the base
of the tree, and he wasn't

548
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.000
very big, and he wasn't very
old, and he was so cute.

549
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:59.519
He'd climb up like three feet and
then he'd go back down, and then

550
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:00.719
he'd get all excited and he'd run
to the next tree, and he'd go

551
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.199
up three feet, he'd go down, and it was just absolutely adorable.

552
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:09.400
My friend was with me and she
was watching this, and I started walking

553
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.920
towards her. I'm thinking, I'm
going to do this really slow, really

554
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.360
easy, because I already knew how
protective they are, and I never wanted

555
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.880
to cross that barrier. So my
friend got so far and they talk about

556
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.719
the zapping, and she didn't zapp
her, but she made sure she knew

557
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.280
she wasn't coming any closer. I, on the other hand, kept walking.

558
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.880
It was like thirty feet maybe anywhere
between twenty to forty feet would be

559
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.800
the safest to be accurate. And
I remember a very good friend of mine

560
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.119
saying to me, if you ever
are up close and personal with them,

561
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.840
look at the tree so you can
go back later to get side height,

562
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.239
that kind of thing. So I
looked at the tree, but I was

563
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.079
transfixed on this baby. And she
let me watch him for like anywhere from

564
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:59.679
ten fifteen minutes something like that,
and then he got bored and I just

565
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.679
watched them in her act. She
didn't tell me I couldn't come closer.

566
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.159
I wasn't afraid to come closer.
It was more from one mom to another.

567
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:13.320
You only let strangers get that close
to your kid. And I just

568
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.920
stopped and watched. And because I
think I stopped and watched, she was

569
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:21.199
very gracious about letting me have that
time. And she picked him up,

570
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.079
put him on her chest and held
him close, and she started to walk

571
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:30.119
away. I followed her and I
watched her. I got probably behind her

572
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:37.480
fifteen twenty feet and I just felt
that was it no more. So I

573
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.800
stopped and she was gone. And
I don't recommend this to everybody at all,

574
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.559
because again, when I was doing
this stuff, I didn't have anybody

575
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.199
to go to. I was by
myself. This had been going on my

576
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.320
whole life. I didn't know any
better. But I was putting food out

577
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.440
for them. Okay, put gifts
out, if you want to put apples

578
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.840
out once in a while. Don't
do anything repetitive because then they expect it.

579
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.280
But I was, and I always
put it back out in the woods

580
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.440
behind my house. Then wintertime in
Michigan, you drag them through the snow

581
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.239
and ice and everything, And I
thought, why am I doing this?

582
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.400
They're at my window every night.
If they can come up to the house

583
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.400
play with the stuff, in the
garage, play with the stuff in the

584
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.960
yard, interact with the kids and
the grandkids. They can certainly come up

585
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.880
here and get food, and I
thought this is just crazy. So I

586
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.920
moved everything up by the house because
it was just a lot easier, and

587
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.280
they played games. I would put
stuff in jars and put lids on it,

588
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.280
and they would go out and unscrew
the jars, take the food out

589
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.440
and then put the jar lid back
on, and a lot of different games

590
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:38.400
that were played over there, and
they finally at some point the kids were

591
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.719
allowed to come to the house.
So I would look out in the yard

592
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.119
and they would be right in the
tree line and they would be getting food

593
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.400
or whatever. The one day I
had left, I had bagels out there,

594
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:51.840
and I pulled it. I went
to the grocery store, I came

595
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.599
back, and when I came back, I didn't pull into the regular driveway,

596
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.400
drove around behind the house and up
on the side of the house so

597
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.400
it was easy or to unload because
it was closer to the door. And

598
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.639
when I did that was on the
side where all the food was put out.

599
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.880
I felt so bad because there was
a little tiny child out there.

600
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.239
It was black and he was sitting
out in the open and he was eating

601
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.679
one of the bagels. And then
I pulled around the house and I scared

602
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.239
him, and he triggered on.
He just chucked this bagel at the truck

603
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.320
and bounced it off the windshield.
I was like, I'm a little larry.

604
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.519
But then they would come up and
they would bring the kids. And

605
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.960
after about the third or fourth year
that I was there, I was instructed

606
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.960
to watch the kids. And I
was like, okay, but I knew

607
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:37.280
that while I was supposed to watch
the kids, they would go hunt.

608
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:42.320
They have ones, they take turns
watching that they didn't need me. Everything

609
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.480
is a series of tests. Everything
is a progression, and nothing ever stays

610
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.400
the same. It's a learning.
Everything is a teaching. Everything is a

611
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.920
learning. And I knew I was
supposed to keep an eyeing these kids.

612
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.280
But if I would have just gone
out there and say it down and said,

613
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.039
okay, guys, let's play,
I would have never lived through that.

614
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.480
Maybe that's what other people are allowed, that's not traditionally their ways.

615
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.960
And so I would walk out on
the porch, I'd look out, I'd

616
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.000
see everybody was seventy feet off the
end of my house. They were playing,

617
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.800
they were happy, they were where
all the food was at, and

618
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.440
i'd go back in. They would
let me know when the kids were there,

619
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.599
and they went and they brought these
logs in and they put them so

620
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.639
that they were anchored to the trees, and it looked like a gigantic playpen.

621
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.320
It was rectangular shape, and I
always called it the playpen because I

622
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.159
didn't know what else to call it. So my daughter would go and she'd

623
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.800
put toys out there, old toys
that she had or whatever, and they

624
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.480
had a ball with them. It
just worked out, so I never had

625
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.639
a problem with them with the kids. Now I have one picture, and

626
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.639
it is admittedly not the best picture. I will share it with you,

627
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.159
Brian, so you can look at
it, but it's not as clear as

628
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.039
what I normally get. And they
were true of the kids that were in

629
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.239
the backyard, and you can just
see their outline peeking out above the grass.

630
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.440
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing that. You mentioned it earlier, so

631
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.320
I want to touch on it because
it's something we've talked about on the show

632
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.880
here recently. I don't know when
this will air, but one of the

633
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.880
things that's recently come out is about
DNA. Matt Moneymaker has put out some

634
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.159
stuff about a new DNA study that's
going down. I think it's Darby or

635
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.679
Cut here in my home state of
North Carolina. At UNC is supposed to

636
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:21.800
be putting together a new DNA study
and it's going to be something that's sort

637
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.280
of announced at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot
conference. So you guys look into that,

638
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.760
and you can find plenty of that
stuff on the internet. But you

639
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.760
mentioned the catchum DNA study and that
you worked on that. Can you talk

640
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.679
a little bit about your involvement in
that. I talked about it on the

641
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.679
show, and I've let my opinion
be known. I'm not as convinced maybe

642
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.440
as you are about that study.
So if you wouldn't mind again talk a

643
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.320
little bit about the study, your
involvement in it, and hopefully change my

644
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.800
mind about the outcome of that DNA
study, stay tuned for more sasquatch out

645
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:55.079
to see. We'll be right back
after these messages. Okay, First,

646
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.840
well, I want to mention something
about Darby or Cut, the study that

647
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.000
referring to. I just did an
interview for him. For Derby and I

648
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:10.199
come from different angles at times but
I consider him a true friend. Okay,

649
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.119
there's no just because people on Facebook
Pitt Derby and I against each other.

650
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.599
I want to just put out there
that is the furthest thing from the

651
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.960
truth, furthest thing. Like I
said before, I may not agree with

652
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.000
everybody's findings. They don't agree with
mine all the time, and I'm okay

653
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.679
with that. I respect everybody's right
to their opinion, and I think it's

654
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.719
healthy to ask questions and it's healthy
to learn. I don't want anybody to

655
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.519
ever feel like because I said something, not that they would care, but

656
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.519
just because I said something it has
to be taken as fact. No,

657
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.480
not in the least. When people
are ready to accept the truth, they

658
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.199
will and that's just the way it
works. But I respect everybody's right for

659
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:57.199
that true. The Catch Them study
a lot was never disclosed. I was

660
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.000
very deeply involved with it. I
met her because the Sasquatch told me to

661
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.960
find her. I didn't even know
there was a study, had no clue

662
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.400
about this study. I was out
in the woods with my guys. I

663
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.280
wasn't paying attention to this. I
don't pay attention to that, and I

664
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:15.119
just do my thing, and that's
it, and they had said, she

665
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.920
knows the truth. I had asked
them beforehand. It wasn't like I didn't

666
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.960
already know. And you know,
what I was told by them is maybe

667
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.400
appropriate or not appropriate for the show. But they had already told me what

668
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.760
they were. It wasn't a shock
to me. So I had a friend

669
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.519
get hold of Melville because that person
knew her. I did not. I

670
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.039
didn't know anything about the study at
that time. And they told me to

671
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.079
help her, and I'm like,
how can I help her. I'm as

672
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.000
far from a scientist as you get. That's way above my pay grade.

673
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:46.880
I communicate and I work with all
the cryptids. That's what I do.

674
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:53.000
So she contacted me and I said, I don't know how I can help

675
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.360
you. I'm not a scientist.
I can help you get some DNA.

676
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.159
I can help with paperwork. I
can help be involved however you want me

677
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.599
to. And so that's what I
did. I was the one that fielded

678
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.079
the phone calls. I would this
one that scheduled things. I was the

679
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.559
one that worked with the people that
were contacting here hundreds a day, wanting

680
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.320
to know how to work with these
beings and these people, and so I

681
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.320
was like the point of contact.
So did I do anything scientific? No?

682
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.280
Was I in the know of everything
scientific one hundred percent. Melbot to

683
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.639
this day is like a sister to
me. I will back that woman to

684
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:29.920
the vowels of hell. I'm back
because I know how legit she is and

685
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.800
I know what went on in that
study. We had blood, saliva,

686
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.000
flush, urine, a tonnail hair, you name it. It was in

687
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:45.480
there and the results when it came
out were not what everybody could understand.

688
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.000
You're talking that was ten years ago. People weren't ready for the truth at

689
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.800
that time. And to begin with, she never tried for any of this.

690
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.039
This was not something that she woke
up one day and said, oh,

691
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.159
I'm going to go prove this.
That with not how that went down

692
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.440
well. At that time she held
her vet's license. She was also doing

693
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.960
forensics in DNA studies, testifying in
court for law enforcement, FBI, whatever,

694
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.519
identifying bodies at nine to eleven.
This is a woman that has the

695
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.239
classifications. If anybody would get past
the bigfoot thing and check it out,

696
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.840
they would find out just how legit
she had her own lab at that time.

697
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.320
People brought things into her first species
identification they didn't know what it was

698
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:34.079
either did she At that point,
she really wasn't on that spectrum of knowing

699
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:38.480
or caring about a big foot.
But it came up something now, something

700
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:43.440
that wasn't discovered yet. She's a
scientist, She's a true scientist. There's

701
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.960
not a scientist out there that is
going to come up with something that nobody

702
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.280
knows of and pass it by and
say I'm not going to check this out.

703
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:57.039
And so she did, never expecting
what went on, and people coming

704
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.079
out of the world work with samples. And then it was about the contamination.

705
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.440
I've heard about the contamination so much, it's ridiculous. There are tests

706
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.239
run to find out if there's a
chance of contamination. There was no contamination.

707
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.760
And once she ran all this and
found out what was going on,

708
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.360
she knew people weren't going to believe
it because she was having a hard time

709
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:19.639
with it as well. DNA doesn't
lie, you can't fake DNA. And

710
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.400
it was coming up on the michondrial
side, which is the mom human on

711
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.840
the father's side on the nuclear it
was coming up unknown because we don't have

712
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:32.480
access to any database that matches what
is on that father's side. It's not

713
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:38.280
there. You can't say the father's
side is anything scientifically speaking if we can't

714
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.760
match it. But the mom's side
was human and it dated back anywhere between

715
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:49.280
thirteen to seventeen thousand years. On
top of that, she had decided to

716
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.480
take this to outside labs so that
nobody was going to take it. She

717
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.679
knew nobody was going to believe it
was just her. She sent it to

718
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.760
the top labs in the country were
robotic arms were you to test this.

719
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:05.679
There was no level of contamination.
The samples were washed, they were clean.

720
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.280
DNA samples were taken from members on
the team that were even close to

721
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:15.239
it. They weren't the same DNA. They were not contaminated. But nobody

722
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.960
other than the people that are really
in close contact with these things, that

723
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.400
experience them, so that they know. Once you are in close contacting you

724
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.840
have these experience in gene you have
these interactions. You don't even need a

725
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.519
DNA test because if it walks like
a duck and it looks like it's the

726
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.679
ducket's a bloody duck, and it's
the same way with this. You cannot

727
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.480
have intense interaction and contact and think
that these are anything less what they are.

728
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.239
Are they our type of human?
No, but that doesn't mean they're

729
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.480
not a human. There's still a
people. They're just not our people.

730
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.320
It's a different culture, it's a
different way of light. I came in

731
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.320
after that study was like over half
done, and I was there for the

732
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:59.559
remainder of it. We now have
the cryptogenome study, meaning we are going

733
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:04.079
to reach us some of the samples
for the sasquatch. Mine came back positive

734
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.559
for a sasquatch, and they will
reach us mine as well. And we

735
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.480
are also doing dogma and any other
crypto out there. If we can get

736
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.920
DNA and it, we're going to
test it and we will see where it

737
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:17.320
leads. I think it's going to
be a pattern. I think from what

738
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.440
I know from my experience is working
with all of these various cryptics, you're

739
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.519
going to find a pattern. I
think people are going to be surprised.

740
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.639
I will say this new study that
we're doing now, the show of support

741
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.360
is tremendous. We never had this
kind of support ten years ago. I

742
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:42.280
think that has to do with people
experiencing and seeing that the human characteristics are

743
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.960
there, the language is there,
the speech is there, the writings are

744
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:52.239
there, the teachings are there,
and the Sasquatch are now working more with

745
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.639
people as far as to learn their
culture and their ways. And so when

746
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.880
this came out, there was so
much lies that came out the first time,

747
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.880
and that's what buried the study.
We worked with. Nature released the

748
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.840
paper. Nature planned on releasing it. I've seen the private emails. They

749
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.320
went to her, and they went
to me, They went to a various

750
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:14.039
amount of people. I saw the
paper trail, I know what it is,

751
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.360
and they planned on doing it.
They wanted a couple of rewrites on

752
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.039
the paper, which we gave them
to their specifications. It was supposed to

753
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.800
go okay. We got shut down. We got shut down hard. And

754
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.920
whether people believe it or not,
the government's involved is this because they don't

755
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.920
want it out And so that's why
Nature dropped it. It was already due

756
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.880
to be released. You're talking all
those years of study, hundreds of thousands

757
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.400
of dollars, all these people interacting
with it, putting their time, blood,

758
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.440
sweat and chears in it all that
time. There was no way we

759
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.719
weren't going to put it out there. Anyway. You don't get this finding

760
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.840
and the truth on it, and
just because you get shut down walk away.

761
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.639
We had death threats. NOLBL called
me one night and she said,

762
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.400
get out while you can, because
have kids. And I said, I'm

763
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.159
not going anywhere. This is true, it's real. Not only do I

764
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:07.840
know it's the truth. The Sasquatch, you know what's the truth, Beaus,

765
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.239
they're the ones that told me to
find you, that you knew the

766
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.960
truth. They're not going to tell
me to find you when I didn't know

767
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.719
you if it was all not real
and it backed up everything. A lot

768
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.159
of it's knew. Janice Carter as
well. That's why we supported it like

769
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.000
we did. That's why I fight
for it today. And for all the

770
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.920
talk from everybody, we're going to
do this study. We're gonna do that

771
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.960
study. Okay, where is it? You guys had ten years to prove

772
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:37.639
it wasn't real. Nobody could do
that. That's the whole thing. It's

773
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:43.760
not just what they've taught me.
It's the DNA. Nobody knew how everything

774
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.480
played out with the DNA because it
never got to come out because everybody shut

775
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.599
it down so fast. So the
reasons that they think everything is so confused

776
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.639
and so wrong and done so incorrectly
is because the truth never got to fully

777
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.960
come out. They got partial truths
and they made up the rest. There

778
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.760
was so many lies that were out
there you couldn't keep up with them.

779
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:09.480
It was just incessant harassment, threats, physical, financial, everything, And

780
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.360
it's like, how do you take
on the whole world when nobody wants to

781
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.440
listen. It's like standing in a
room of a million people and screaming at

782
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.840
the top of your lungs and nobody
hears you. So she shut it down.

783
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.840
The rest of the truth never came
out, and ten years later we're

784
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.400
back. I've said it on the
show. I've invited doctor Kitchen on the

785
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.840
show several times, and for whatever
reason, she has decided not to come

786
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.880
on the show. So I've talked
about the DNA study in the past,

787
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.119
and I think one of the biggest
issues that I had outside of what I

788
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:45.280
understand it to be more inconclusive,
because the one thing about DNA is if

789
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.599
you don't have a type specimen to
compare a controlled sample too, it's very

790
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.800
difficult to say with any certainty that
this is that right. You have to

791
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.199
have that control sample to say,
okay, we've compared it to the controlled

792
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:04.000
sample of a known squatch or whatever
you're testing, and then say definitively that's

793
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.239
what it is. We won't want
to get into the minu show that.

794
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:08.639
I'll just stick to this and maybe
you can speak to this a little bit,

795
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:14.280
because the biggest problem I've had with
doctor ketchum study and what's happened over

796
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.320
the last ten years is very similar
to what you just said. There's been

797
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.199
ten years and there's a lot of
things and I've heard doctor Ketcham say this

798
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:23.559
several times. You've now said it
a couple of times on the show.

799
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:29.239
The whole truth didn't come out,
but it's there, and I think that's

800
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.239
the biggest issue I've had with her
is if there is more to the story,

801
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.880
and she said there's more to the
story, It's almost like a teaser

802
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.280
every time I hear her talk about
it. It'll come out eventually, or

803
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:43.400
we're going to put it out when
we reach this milestone or whatever. Do

804
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.079
you have any idea why, if
there's more to the story, why she

805
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:50.440
just wouldn't put it on Front Street
and just shut down the naysayers. And

806
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.000
that would be one of the mic
drums moments. We'll speak to that a

807
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.559
little bit, because I've heard her. She hasn't appeared on my show,

808
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.639
but she's done a couple of other
podcasts recently and had the opportunity to talk

809
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.559
about exactly what Bigfoot. She's made
the claim she knows exactly what Bigfoot is.

810
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.000
She knows exactly what dogman he is, but yet we don't have that

811
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.760
information yet. So talk a little
bit about that if you wouldn't mind.

812
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:15.400
Okay, the dogment stuff has not
been released yet. Okay, I'm fully

813
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.519
aware of it, and we are
in the process of testing more samples on

814
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.840
that, as well as pulling the
genomes. The thing of it is,

815
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:27.840
and this is what nobody really understood, and I get why they didn't like.

816
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.480
I can see both sides. Nobody
knows what our team went through when

817
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:37.199
the study released to say living in
Hell doesn't come close. Was it worth

818
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:43.679
it? Most of them say no. I say yes, But nobody gave

819
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.199
us that platform when we did try
to come forward. There are multiple attempts

820
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.000
to come out with all of it, but every time we came out with

821
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.320
any information, we got hit with
ten more attacks. And you get to

822
00:53:54.360 --> 00:54:02.920
the point you're talking that the damage
done to everybody's lives was so extreme.

823
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.559
People don't understand because they weren't part
of it, but for the team itself,

824
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:14.559
it was devastating. It wasn't that
the information wasn't going to come out.

825
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.559
We tried, because it was such
a shock to everybody's system. We

826
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.360
tried to at first the soft disclosures
and just letting them know what the DNA

827
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:30.360
said. We had more footage,
we had everything set to release, but

828
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:36.519
we got hit so hard and so
fast there was no way to do it.

829
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.719
The harder we fought back to get
this out, the more people came

830
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.559
at us. If you're going to
go into a street fight by yourself and

831
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.679
there's twenty people there, and you're
going to go into it and think I

832
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:51.159
can take that twenty and then another
one hundred show up, at what point

833
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:57.119
do you decide that your physical safety
is worth just backing off? And that

834
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.920
was part of it. There is
more there. We do want it to

835
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:07.079
come out. We're hoping ten years
later people are more willing to hear it.

836
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.079
You can't tell people things they don't
want to hear. You can't force

837
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.559
them to believe what they don't want
to hear. And that ended up being

838
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.559
what was the biggest problem as far
as her net coming. She went into

839
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.679
silence. After all this is over. Yes, she's been out on some

840
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.639
shows. I booked them. That's
why, Yes, I know she's on

841
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:32.079
some shows. I went two people
that I work with a lot, Duke

842
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.800
Sullivan and Dave Scott, and I
trust them explicitly. They've always been extremely

843
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.760
good to me. And I went
to them, I said, listen,

844
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.480
I need a safe place where she
has a voice. It's not up to

845
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.079
me, it's up to her.
It's not I didn't let her. But

846
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:51.440
if I let you have her on
there, are you going to shut people

847
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.639
up long enough to let her talk? How do you talk when people won't

848
00:55:54.679 --> 00:56:00.280
listen? The hate is so severe, and that's what nobody has been able

849
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:07.159
to understand. Nobody because what they
saw was two dimensional. They saw what

850
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.440
they saw that day, that time
when she spoke, and what they saw

851
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.920
online. But we were living in
two dimensions. We were living in multiple

852
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:19.400
ones at that point because we had
everybody coming at us from every single angle.

853
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.599
Every person on that project. Okay, when these people as far as

854
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:29.679
the chain of custody and the samples, we still have those samples. They're

855
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:34.039
not going anywhere. But the thing
of it is with that, everybody said

856
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.760
we want the body, we want
the body. Nobody is looking at the

857
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.800
fact. When there's the body,
the government takes it. It's not as

858
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:46.000
easy as what people think it is. Okay. And the people that brought

859
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:51.239
us these samples, they were our
chain of command. There was footage of

860
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.519
them seeing these things, and they
found evidence and they watched it. I

861
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.719
turned in here samples, which you've
got to have the full follicles to test.

862
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:01.199
You can't just say have for anybody
out there. If you just have

863
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.280
a sample of the hair, not
gonna happen. You gotta have full follicles.

864
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.880
I watched the individual climbing over the
fence when the hair got stuck on

865
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.320
the barbed wire fence. I know
what left it. I saw it.

866
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.519
I interacted with it daily. Nobody
cares about that because they didn't see it.

867
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.000
How do you get everybody in the
free world they have the same experience

868
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:24.199
at the same time, so that
they can see it too, and when

869
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:30.400
your physical world is at risk.
And it wasn't just Melboyne I there was

870
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:35.039
a whole team. There were people
that devoted their time and effort to getting

871
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.159
these samples Adrian Ericsson. Adrian has
got phenomenal footage. We put up the

872
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:45.239
video of Matilda, one of the
clearest, most fabulous footage of a sasquatch

873
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:50.320
ever seen. It even beats Patterson
Giblin because it's close ups of her face.

874
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:55.000
Do you know what everybody got for
that? Ridiculed? Attacked, trashed,

875
00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.360
accused of faking. Nobody wants to
believe it, and Brian, you

876
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.599
can't make people believe what they don't
want. And you can only scream and

877
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.719
holler and say I'm telling you the
truth. I'm telling you the truth so

878
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:14.480
many times before you say why am
I doing this? People wanted the truth

879
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:15.719
out There was a lot of people
that did. We wanted to give them

880
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.199
that truth. But when you have
everybody coming at you at all times,

881
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.599
you can't just put it out there. Everybody thinks it's so easy, and

882
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:24.679
I get that all the time.
They're like, we should have just put

883
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.639
it out there anyway, put it
on here, put it on here,

884
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.159
and let it go. It was
already a shit show, and behind the

885
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.840
lines it was even worse than what
the public saw. And we couldn't keep

886
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.480
up with the lies. You spend
all your time fending off the lies and

887
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:43.800
trying to correct the lies, and
you don't ever have time to get the

888
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.800
truth out. She just said,
forget it. I'm done. I didn't

889
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:51.000
ask for this, I never wanted
this. I did this because I thought

890
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.599
it wouldn't matter. I didn't do
it for fame. She didn't make any

891
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.599
money off this. That was the
other thing. Oh well, but Ketchup's

892
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.880
baking all this money. What a
crock shouldn't make anything on it. We

893
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.480
sold a few copies of the paper, but then we made it public.

894
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.440
Then get it free. It's on
www. Sasquatch Genome project dot org.

895
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:13.360
Go on here the papers on there. Everybody put everything they had into this,

896
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:19.400
hundreds of thousands of dollars, time, equipment, everything, and nobody

897
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.159
ever gave it a chance. And
you get to the point, I think,

898
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.239
where if nobody's going to give you
a chance, what are you fighting

899
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.440
for? That really is what it
came down to. We would love all

900
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.119
that evidence to come out. We
fully intend to have it come out.

901
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.039
But we're now working on the new
study and moving forward. We're ten years

902
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:42.480
later, we're stronger and better than
we were before. We have more supporters

903
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.639
than we ever had, and thanks
to Steve Ishtall God bless his soul,

904
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.280
he has helped really bring attention to
the project. We don't have benefactors anymore.

905
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.679
Now we have to fund it ourselves. We had a benefactor before,

906
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:58.039
we don't have that. Now we're
doing the go fund me. Money is

907
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.039
coming in. It's going well.
That do donate to it will get their

908
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:06.280
NDA sent to them and then they
will get information behind the scenes that will

909
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.440
not necessarily be made to the public
or they'll definitely have it much sooner.

910
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:13.920
And they will also be getting information
from the first study, but it's more

911
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:19.480
of a controlled information because we can't
have what went on the last time.

912
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.480
Nobody deserves what was done to us
the last time. Especially Melboy took the

913
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.880
hip for everybody because when all of
it went down, as bad as it

914
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.760
was for the team, she protected
everybody and she said, let them come

915
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:37.440
at me, and they did.
There were prominent figures of that team that

916
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:38.920
got it just as bad, but
she took the hip for most of us.

917
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.039
It was worse for her than anybody
else. But you know what,

918
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.199
nobody can duplicate the study. They
haven't been able to do it yet.

919
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:50.199
They can try but they haven't been
able to do it in ten years.

920
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.000
I wish them all well and I
hope it does go through and goes well

921
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.280
for them and it supports what we
found. But regardless of what they get,

922
01:00:55.320 --> 01:01:00.840
it's not going to change what we
did. And as far as her

923
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.000
coming out, she is coming out
a little bit gun shy after what happened

924
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:09.719
the last time. We've tried to
make it a little bit more control and

925
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:15.920
the information moving forward, and we're
just going to keep going. I told

926
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:17.079
her years ago. I kept telling
her, you gotta finish it, you

927
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.119
gotta finish it. She's no,
I'm not doing this again. I'm like,

928
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:22.679
you gotta finish it. No,
I'm not doing it again. And

929
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.159
finally she got hold of me and
we gotta finish this. And I'm like,

930
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.199
oh, hell yeah. So,
for better for words, it's bad.

931
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.480
I definitely appreciate that. Like I
said, it's something that I've talked

932
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:35.840
about on the show before. I
will certainly link to the Genome project in

933
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.079
the show notes or everybody can check
that out for themselves, read this study,

934
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.960
educate yourself. Like you said,
don't listen to what I say on

935
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.199
the show. I am no expert. In anything, get the information yourself,

936
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.239
make up your own mind. And
all I do here is act as

937
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.440
a conduit. And I certainly have
my opinions on things. Like I said,

938
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.360
I've had my opinions on the DNA
study that she's done, some other

939
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.199
things that have been done in the
community. But at the end of the

940
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.840
day, I think it's really important
to have those conversations with people. And

941
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.440
you and I talked about it before
we went on the air. Some of

942
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:14.159
your experiences have been a little outside
the norm. We didn't really get into

943
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:15.760
that, and maybe we'll have to
do a round two and have you back

944
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:21.320
to talk about some of those experiences. For sure, I think when it

945
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.599
comes to this, because it's science
like this is where there's definitely not a

946
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:29.159
separation. I come at it at
a little bit of a different angle.

947
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.719
I'm not a scientist. On a
scientific standpoint, you have to have everything

948
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.480
match up. And I will say
this when it comes to that paper,

949
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.239
if you don't have a scientific background, like it said Garb and Iody,

950
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:44.880
I think the world with them.
I always have boys will on. I

951
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.079
want him to succeed in this study. He didn't care for the way things

952
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.800
went. They didn't jy with him. But you're talking about something that is

953
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.679
not in the normal realm. This
is not something that goes in this great

954
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:02.639
little square box that we've all been
taught to believe. From my standpoint,

955
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:09.199
it defies science. There's a scientific
aspect to it that I believe one hundred

956
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:14.559
and ten million percent, but I
also know them and there's a lot that's

957
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.599
way outside the science realm. And
so you're talking about, Yes, the

958
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.280
science. I'm not a scientist.
This is only my own opinion, but

959
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:27.880
maybe not science in the standard way
that everybody thinks it should be, because

960
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.840
it is that novel. It is
that different. But the DNA, no

961
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:35.519
matter how they get to it,
the DNA is the same. As far

962
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.159
as the bodies. Not only does
the government take them, and I know

963
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:40.760
a lot of people already know this, they do bury their dead, and

964
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.280
they don't give them up easily.
They will literally do a funeral. They'll

965
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:49.039
hold three to four days of silence, depending on the hierarchy of the one

966
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.519
that's passed, and they bury them
and they do a very good job of

967
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:59.480
making sure you can't find them.
But if you look at even different animals,

968
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:02.880
when they discovered gorillas. They killed
nine hundred of them to prove they

969
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:11.760
existed. Why does anything have to
die or getting DNA? So, why

970
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.360
does everything have to be killed to
do it? We have people that are

971
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.280
physically seen where the DNA comes from. Why do they have to die for

972
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.320
it? As I said, that's
one of the things that I've talked about

973
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:26.159
so many times on the show is
science requires what it requires. We could

974
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:30.400
go on for another hour and talk
about that for a whole another show probably

975
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:31.519
and get into that, and like
I said, maybe we'll have to have

976
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.400
you back. I appreciate you coming
on and sharing your experiences. As I

977
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.840
told you before we went on,
there's a lot of people that are going

978
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.679
to roll their eyes about some of
the things that you said, because I

979
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:45.719
say it on the show all the
time. When people make extraordinary claims,

980
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.840
it requires extraordinary evidence in most people's
minds. This is how I looked at

981
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:54.559
it for what it's worth. Not
that anybody cares, but this is how

982
01:04:54.559 --> 01:05:00.760
I look at it. We all
have different experiences, especially with the Sasquatch.

983
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.440
Okay, people aren't going to understand
my experiences because they haven't lived them

984
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:09.440
anymore than I am going to understand
theirs because I didn't live theirs. It

985
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:13.719
doesn't make it wrong on either side. It means we've had different experiences.

986
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:17.039
This whole thing with the Sasquatch is
this giant puzzle. I can have a

987
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:21.800
million encounters. I'm not any more
important than somebody that just was driving down

988
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:26.679
the row and one ran across the
street. You need that other piece to

989
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:31.840
fill in the puzzle. So it's
not about who can tap two or who.

990
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:40.079
And it's not about, in my
opinion, is this person's experience believable

991
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:45.880
or not. Because it's still their
experience, you can't change it. They're

992
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.599
entitled to that experience, just like
they're entitled to their opinion. I wasn't

993
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.920
put on this planet to prove to
anybody. I don't even try. I

994
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:58.599
share my experiences. I can share
the teaching, but I don't want to

995
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.519
force anybody into anything they don't want. I'm not going to be forced in

996
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:06.159
anything I don't want. But what
happens with my groups with me, it

997
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:10.840
can be a completely different experience with
somebody else in their group. Because they're

998
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:15.679
all individual people. None of these
things are going to have the same behaviors.

999
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.719
They're not going to have the same
experiences because they're individually different. Not

1000
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.559
only do they look different, they
have different personalities just like ours. We

1001
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.760
all have different personalities and due to
our personalities and our belief system is how

1002
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.239
we behave the way we behave.
So what experience I have is going to

1003
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.159
be absolutely different than somebody else's.
We have to get out of the box.

1004
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:40.039
We have to get out of the
pigeonholed that says everybody's experience is the

1005
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:45.760
same because it's never gonna happen.
That will never happen. It's individualized each

1006
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:48.880
and every person that they have interactions
with, they'll never be the same.

1007
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.960
There you have it, folks.
I will link to everything we talked about

1008
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:55.119
in the show notes. If you
guys want to take a look at the

1009
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:59.119
photos that Robin mentioned today, you
can go over to Paranormal World Productions dot

1010
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:00.599
com check out the Sass Watch outsy
blog at the top of the page,

1011
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.199
and I will have those there.
Robin, I've had a blast talking to

1012
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.840
you. I really appreciate you coming
on and sharing your experiences. Oh,

1013
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:12.119
thank you so much. I really
appreciate you having me on. They say

1014
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:20.559
you don't gotta go home, but
you can't stay. No, I don't

1015
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:51.000
want to be. We're all out
that chime this job and chime everything clear,

1016
01:07:51.679 --> 01:08:00.719
Bride, baby Joy for me to
stay right now. You call it

1017
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right away, said Sad, said
yes still side side side says about time

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bout, I'll try for posssssssssssss