WEBVTT

1
00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:05.360
Elan, Welcome to Israel. You've
been here before. Yes, this is

2
00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:11.160
a visit unlike anyone, because you
started it out in the communities, right

3
00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:16.280
next to a gaza where the horrendous
massacre took place. We went there together

4
00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:21.280
and then I showed you a short
film some of the cars, and I

5
00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.000
wonder if you can give you some
of your impressions of what you saw.

6
00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:27.920
It was jarring to see the scene
of the masker or one of the scenes

7
00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:32.159
of the maskers, as well as
to see the short film afterwards that's a

8
00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:36.479
short more of is that people getting
killed. I was troubling in that bybe

9
00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:42.159
especially to see the joy experienced by
people that were killing innocent civilians, including

10
00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:47.799
kids and babies and fenceless people essentially. So you know, it's one thing

11
00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:52.840
if ously if civilians die, but
if it's another thing to revel in the

12
00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:58.600
joy of killing civilians, that's not
that's evil. It's really a manifestation of

13
00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.719
a difficult That's what come up is
it's a deaficult and the glorifying gore.

14
00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.280
I mean, some of the things
that we saw are children being murdered in

15
00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.400
front of their parents, being murdered
in front of their children, mothers who

16
00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:18.959
hid their little boys in a laundromat
and an oven, or in a hidden

17
00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.640
attic, and these monsters found the
attic. And you can imagine what these

18
00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.400
people felt, these little boys felt
like in a grim fairy tale. The

19
00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.640
monster is coming at you. And
they killed them and burned them. They

20
00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:34.000
beheaded women, they beheaded men.
They tied a woman next to a tree

21
00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:41.439
and rapia repeatedly and then murdered her. They had people in a nature festival,

22
00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:45.280
music festival. Yeah, killed hundreds. You saw the pictures that it's

23
00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:49.719
just horrible. We just killed people
women. Yes, I mean the rebuttal

24
00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.799
is often made that well, you
know, you know Israel has killed civilians,

25
00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.280
you know, also in gossip.
But there's an important difference here,

26
00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.799
which is that Israel tried to avoid
killing civilians during everything it cans to to

27
00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:07.640
avoid killing civilians, and you know
there's not sort of joy expressed. Well,

28
00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.280
it's regret. First of all,
every civilian casualty is is a tragedy,

29
00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.280
and we try to minimize them.
But what is happening here is that

30
00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.520
Kamas is essentially committing a double war
crime. The first war crime is to

31
00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:23.280
deliberately target civilians and not only target
them, but mutilate them, break them,

32
00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:28.080
behead them, burn them. The
second war crime is to deliberately hide

33
00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.080
behind civilians, which is what they're
doing in Gazma. So they're not an

34
00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.479
army in bases or out in field
maneuvers. They're implanting themselves in residential areas,

35
00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:42.080
in schools and hospital The hospitals are
their command centers. We found tunnels

36
00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:46.360
there with the military equipment, with
guns and camo. So what do you

37
00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.400
do against an enemy of this kind, Well, the one thing you cannot

38
00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:55.199
do is give immunity to the terrorists
because they're hiding among civilians. Because if

39
00:02:55.199 --> 00:03:00.919
you give them immunity, everybody says
they shouldn't be doing this effectively. Nobody

40
00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.560
is willing to take the action to
make sure that this is not an effective

41
00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.000
tactic, because if it is,
it'll repeat itself again and again. By

42
00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.520
the way, Hamas says, we're
going to do it again and again.

43
00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:14.599
But it's not only against Israel that
they'll do it. This will spread very

44
00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.280
quickly throughout the Middle East and peril
the entire region. From there, they'll

45
00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:22.159
go to Europe, and from there
they'll also build elsewhere to America, whom

46
00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:27.120
they call the great Sitty. We're
just a little America. So America is

47
00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:32.840
a great sat and this is any
It's iranisbaalah Kamas. It's all part of

48
00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:38.759
that same access goes against Israel,
the United States, free civilization, and

49
00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:40.639
the modern Arab States. We're all
on one side. There on the other

50
00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.439
side. So how do you fight
it. Well, let's see, you

51
00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:47.840
know, the people who are protesting
that what Israel is doing to not take

52
00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:53.400
into account the fact that Israel asked, we called on the Palestinian population to

53
00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.120
leave the Zona fighting. Okay,
they wanted to leave. Guess who stopped

54
00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.919
them at gunpoint Comas. Okay,
we broke that and created a cord,

55
00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:06.439
a safe corridor that they could leave
to the southern part of the Gaza strip

56
00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:12.120
where no fighting was taking place.
And gets who fired on the safe cordon?

57
00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.600
That we a safe corridor, Comas. So it's not Israel that's preventing

58
00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:20.160
the civilians from leaving the war zone. It's Commas. It's not Israel that

59
00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:26.319
is shooting that civilians who want to
escape, it's Commas. But we shouldn't

60
00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.079
give them the ability to, you
know, to escape responsibility, which is

61
00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.199
what all these demonstrations are happening.
You know the example I'll give Hitler does

62
00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:38.839
this horble, you know, these
horrible crimes. He perpetrates the Holocaust.

63
00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:44.040
The Allies strike it back, they
invade Normandy, the Germans hold themselves up

64
00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:48.240
in the German cities. Nobody said, well, don't attack the Wehrmacht,

65
00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.199
the German army, the Nazi army, because you have the civilians there.

66
00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.519
In fact, that's exactly what the
Allies did through the cities of France and

67
00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.279
the cities of Germany, and many
civilians were killed. I don't know what

68
00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.800
history would be like if you had
you know, the kind of mass communications

69
00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:10.639
that we have today in protests would
have been launched against the Allies on behalf

70
00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.600
of the Nazis, because, as
the German Chancellor will visited Israel and solve

71
00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.639
these horrors. He said, Kamas
are the new Nazis, Commas are the

72
00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:21.680
new Nazis. And people are demonstrating
either out of ignorance, A lot of

73
00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:27.959
the protesting or the wrong side I
mean it is. It was troubling to

74
00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:33.160
see massive protests in almost every major
city in favor of almost well, they're

75
00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:38.199
generally characterized it as sort of a
free Palestine movement, and I think you

76
00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:42.480
know, one generally agree that we
want to, you know, a good

77
00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.839
future for Palestinians, and we want
to you know, I mean, the

78
00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.040
challenge is really how do you get
rid of the ones who are help adds

79
00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:56.920
on murdering Jewish people while you know, minimizing explaining casualties, and then awkwardly

80
00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:03.600
stopping the sort of propaganda that is
convincing people to engage in murder, so

81
00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.959
that at the end of the day
that's really essential is to figure out,

82
00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:14.319
Okay, what how are they being
trained to have these to believe that murdering

83
00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.800
and having joy at the death of
civilians is a good thing, and to

84
00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.000
stop that training, Well, I
think you hit the nail on the head

85
00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:25.600
because you have we have a first
omission to destroy Kamas. Nothing's going to

86
00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.800
stop because if you want peace,
destroy Kamas, If you want security,

87
00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.519
destroy Lamas, If you want a
better life for Palestinians in Ghazl will been

88
00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.920
hijacked by Ramas, destroy Kamas.
All that is a precursor to the question

89
00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:45.040
that you asked. First, have
to get rid of the poisonous regime as

90
00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.639
you did in Germany as you did
in Japan in World War Two. These

91
00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:51.319
were two There's no choice, there's
no choice. So there's a prerequis yes,

92
00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.519
But then look at what happened.
What you had in Germany was de

93
00:06:55.639 --> 00:07:00.839
nasification, and what you had in
Japan und your Douglas MacArthur was a cultural

94
00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:06.360
reformation. And Japan that you visit
today is so different from Japan of the

95
00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:11.720
nineteen thirties. Germany that you visit
today is so different from Germany of the

96
00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.079
nineteen thirties. Well, is that
possible in the Arab world? And I

97
00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.839
categorically say, of course, because
we've seen it already in two places.

98
00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.360
We've seen it in the Gulf States, and we see that when you visit

99
00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:27.279
Dubai, or when you visit Abu
Dhabi, or when you visit Bahrain,

100
00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:31.160
you see something entirely different. There
was in fact a cultural change there.

101
00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.160
And let me say that same thing
is in my opinion, happening to a

102
00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:42.800
considerable extent in Saudi Arabia. The
de radicalization of these Muslim countries, these

103
00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.120
Arab countries, some of it already
took place, some of it is taken

104
00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.879
Yeah, but there's another country where
a substantial Arab minority where that is already

105
00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.839
taking place, and that's called Israel. Twenty percent of our citizens are Arabs,

106
00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:01.279
most of them Muslim. They serve
on you know, in high places,

107
00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:03.759
in the Academy and the Supreme Court, in the Knesse and and so

108
00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.959
on. And I'm not saying that
there aren't there isn't some radicalism there,

109
00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.319
but mostly there isn't. In fact, they're integrated into the society. So

110
00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.199
we have to do the same thing. We have to militarize Gaza after the

111
00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.519
destruction of Kamas, and we have
to do radicalize Gaza, and that will

112
00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.560
take some time, especially work on
the mosques and on the schools that's where

113
00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.439
children are, you know, imbide
their values. And then we have to

114
00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.039
also rebuild Gaza. And I hope
to have our Arab friends help in that

115
00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.440
context, and you know, I'd
like to help as well. So I

116
00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:41.720
think it's important to pair of firmness
in taking out the terrorists, those who

117
00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.039
wish or intent on murder, and
then at the same time to then help

118
00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.879
those who remain, which is also
what happened in Germany and Japanese. Actually,

119
00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.120
you know, it's interesting because this
is quite a rare thing in history.

120
00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:58.080
Usually the victor pillages the you know, the loser. And if you

121
00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.679
look after World War One, you
know, the Treaty us I was a

122
00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.600
big mistake and it created emense betterness
in Germany and it's part of what led

123
00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.639
to World War two and then World
War two that people realized, listen,

124
00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:15.519
we actually need to rebuild the economies
and instead of punish it. And so

125
00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.200
you know, you had the rebuilding
of Japan, rebuilding of Germany as much

126
00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.720
bureau and then we've we've had peace
and prosperity for a long time. I

127
00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:30.720
think that this is possible, but
it has that small prerequisite. I'm saying

128
00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.440
small, I don't really mean small, big job getting rid of Tamas,

129
00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.320
which we will remember that what is
is will suffered on this toominious day of

130
00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:45.360
October seventh was proportionately like twenty nine
eleven. So you know, when people

131
00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.960
make us cease far sure Ramas as
well. You know, if we're still

132
00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.960
around, we're going to do it
again. And again that's a direct quote.

133
00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.600
Yes, okay, so would you
make it? You don't need to

134
00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.120
read between the lights, if you
just read the lights. They're quite explicit

135
00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.759
about it. Yes, So obviously
we can't do that anymore than America would

136
00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.080
make a ceasfire without CATA after nine
eleven. Yeah, and this is twenty

137
00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.480
nine. So they have to go
and they will go. I'm talking about

138
00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.799
combatants, I'm talking about terrorists,
talking about terrorists, chieftains. But then

139
00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.000
I think we can build a different
future with the Palestinians. And the thing

140
00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:24.840
that I have to also really respond
to is these demonstrations against c Israel,

141
00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:31.559
which is the only force that is
taking measures to prevent civilian casualties. We're

142
00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.960
trying to do everything that we can, including entering into Gaza humanitarian help.

143
00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:43.039
But we have mass demonstrations. Where
were these demonstrations when over a million Arabs

144
00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.679
and Muslims were killed in Syria,
in Yemen, many of them starving to

145
00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:52.639
death, those who didn't die in
explosions in battle, Where were the demonstrations

146
00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.759
in London, in Paris, in
San Francisco, in Washington? Where are

147
00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.639
they? And the answer is they
don't care about the Palestine. They hate

148
00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.440
Israel, and they hate Israel because
they hate America. And they say,

149
00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:07.879
they say, from the river,
free Palestine, from the river to the

150
00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.679
sea. Right, you know what
the river to the sea means yes,

151
00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.399
the river river, it's called the
Jordan River. The sea is the Mediterranean

152
00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.600
in between US Israel, right all
of fifty miles wide. When they say

153
00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.799
free Palestine from the river to the
sea, they say destroy Israel. Yeah,

154
00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.480
so they're demonstrating for the destruction of
Israel on behalf of people who committed

155
00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:35.080
the worst savagery perpetrated on the Jewish
people since the Holocaust. That is a

156
00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:41.279
moral collapse. And it's understandable that
people will have concern for civilian casualties because

157
00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:48.279
we do as well. That I
understand. It's inconceivable and incomprehensible that people

158
00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:54.159
will actually both this on behalf of
these murderers, these deliberate killers of babies

159
00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.679
and not you know, they're not
accidentally killing these people. We went into

160
00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:03.200
these cottages today, we saw where
these killers came in and shot cribs,

161
00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:09.360
Yes, shot families, murdered,
bullet casings in the cryb bullet cases at

162
00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.759
the crib. Exactly. It's just
shocked. And so one has to understand

163
00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:20.240
in every legitimate war, there what
you said before, the accidental civilian casualties

164
00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.240
that accompany any legitimate military action.
That's often happened, happened to the island

165
00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.039
avoidable, It's unavoidable. Unfortunately,
you try to minimize them. But what

166
00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:33.360
these terrorists camas Terras did is deliberately
crossed the line. They were out there

167
00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.960
to massacre, murdered civilians on mass
And let me tell you Schultz, the

168
00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.679
Chancellor of Germany called him when he
visited Israel, he called him the new

169
00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.200
Nazis called Tamas and new Nazis.
Tell you what the difference between the original

170
00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.559
Nazis and the new Naziss If they
had the capabi, if they weren't thrown

171
00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.360
back by grave soldiers flooded the lines
and brave civilians who fought with their finger,

172
00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.600
Nay, they would have killed every
life. Yeah, So you know

173
00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:07.480
what do you do to correct these
lies and these distortions. Well, one

174
00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.679
the truth, have the conversation we're
having today. But I think there's also

175
00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:20.279
there's a weakness in Western higher education. Not new. In nineteen thirty three,

176
00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.559
shortly a few days after the rise
of inter the Oxford student Union had

177
00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.919
a debate, and the debate was
should that generation fight for king and country?

178
00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.600
And they resolved two to one,
under no circumstances to fight for king

179
00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:39.120
and country. Well, they soon
learned differently, they couldn't if they tolerated

180
00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.840
this kind of aggression that Germany was
perpetrating, the Barbars. It soon spread

181
00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.519
to Britain, it soon spread to
the entire world. If we tolerate this

182
00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:52.960
kind of barbarism that Hamas perpetrated on
Israel, by the way, on Jews

183
00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:58.279
and Arabs alike. In Israel,
Arab citizens Bedwinds. They spoke to me,

184
00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:03.120
these Bedouin fighters in the Israeli Defense
Force. One of them said,

185
00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.360
you know, I woke up on
that day, rushed to the line,

186
00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.720
and the first thing I saw,
he said, the first thing I saw

187
00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.279
was a corpse of a woman,
a headless corpse of a woman. And

188
00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.080
he said to me, then I
knew exactly what we were fighting. We

189
00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.840
is Arabs and Jews in fighting these
monsters. So I think that once we

190
00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:28.919
recognize that we have to unite all
the forces of civilization against this new Barbers

191
00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:35.200
and this savage medievalism that try to
stop a better future for all of us,

192
00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.679
we can achieve this future. I
think if we beat Ramas, we

193
00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.399
can go back to peace in Saudi
Arabia. I think we can expand the

194
00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.919
circle of peace beyond anything imagine.
We can build that, rebuild and build

195
00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.360
development projects that will defy the imagination
of the world. But first we have

196
00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.840
to win. It's like against the
Nazis, it's like against al Qaeda,

197
00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.919
it' slight against Isis. First you
have to win. Yeah, I think

198
00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.480
that makes perfect sense. Those who
are intended murder must be neutralized. Then

199
00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:11.440
the propagandas stop. That is training
people to be murtterers in the future,

200
00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.799
and they're making gods of prosperous and
if that happens, I think will be

201
00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.759
good future. Well, I hope
you'll be involved in help. And the

202
00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.679
fact that you came here I think
speak volumes, speaks volumes of your commitment

203
00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.960
to try to secure a better future. You know, I wish we had

204
00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.240
more time the last time we spoke
about AI. Yeah, And I think

205
00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.679
even here, on this short visit, you add a glimpse of the great

206
00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:39.320
talents. Yeah available, here's metaund
measure, but it's talent that served the

207
00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.919
world. It's in all these things. You look at your iPhone, you

208
00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.639
know a good part of it was
made here. It will use ways made

209
00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.399
here. Sure we get a cherry
tomato it's made here. That's the positive

210
00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.279
part of the future that we have
begun to build. And we'll resume building

211
00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.799
after this, after we defeat Kamas. Because and then the last thing I've

212
00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.960
never seen the elon so united.
We have an opportunity to quire among ourselves.

213
00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.480
Our politics are famous for it,
and yet here everyone united, Everyone

214
00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:17.879
united formed the Unity Government and emergency
Unity Government and the people and the it's

215
00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:22.559
not really the soldiers as families,
even families of soldiers are on the front

216
00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.440
line and they say, finish the
job so we can have a better Yeah.

217
00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.840
Well, I hope for a better
future for Hearin, for the world.

218
00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.679
Thank you and thank you for coming
here. Yeah, thank you. Van