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I started doing a series of things
I didn' t want to do that

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took ninety percent of my time.
Person writes to me and tells me Javi,

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I want to see result. As
an affiliate, I' ve been

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trying to invest money in advertising and
so on, and I' m losing

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a lot of money. When you
build, that' s when you can

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already have the ability to grow no, and that' s what I'

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m always thinking about. They don' t say that last part that I

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think is revealing that you commented on
what makes you see the results you want.

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You are welcome to a new episode
of the podcast, one more interview

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this time with Javier Hélices. We
had a master min a few years ago.

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We were in a masterman together.
He' s made pitches, he

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' s done great things in the
world of filiation, and what better than

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him to show up? So,
well, welcome back, Javier. It

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' s been a long time since
we saw each other, even virtually,

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but I think it' s even
been since the last masterming, a few

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years ago, that we actually went
out to party at some event that we

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were good at, tell us about
it and tell us a little bit,

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who you are that one that you
do very good at. It' s

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Borgha if we' ve been in
contact there for a while now, but

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we haven' t seen each other
in a while and if I remember any

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night out there, at any event, I have Segart flases out there.

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I think it' s a couple
of times that could be an event that

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was organized and that we were.
I don' t remember exactly. Maybe,

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because I have classes out there,
but good thing we have to repeat

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that again. No doubt and nothing
I don' t know what to tell,

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what to tell about who I am. I' ve got the 24

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- hour version of it, telling
you about it, I have the version

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today. So let' s go
for the quick one and then dig into

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where you think it' s interesting
for the audience. In the end,

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Well, because I' m a
person we always focus when we say who

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we are, what we' re
doing today, where we' ve come

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from, and how we got there. And I' m a person who

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today I' ve got what I' ve somehow always intuited. And now

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that I want to dedicate myself to
what I want to do and I really

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want to wake up in the morning
and feel motivated by what I do and

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I want to feel that I am
doing important things and I want to somehow

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give way to everything that I have
inside and that wants to get out.

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And, well, that' s
been a path that has allowed me today,

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to have my own company, to
have a team of people, to

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be doing big things and big projects, to be training thousands of people and

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so on. But in the end
it is, as I say, there

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is a path that begins by being
in a place that does not belong to

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me, as many people do today, which is to be in companies studying

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computer engineering. That' s right, well, it was fine studying computer

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engineering. I started working in different
companies, I moved from one or the

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other, I was evolving in what
you' re supposed to evolve as a

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computer engineer. But in all those
companies I realized there was something that didn

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' t fit. No, and
that led me to change jobs every ten

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months and change businesses. So,
well, little by little I realized that

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what I really wanted to do wasn' t going to be given to me

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by a company. What I wanted
to do wasn' t going to be

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under the companies I was working on. And so, in parallel to all

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that, as I started to investigate
other options, I started by making a

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mistake, so I suddenly discovered people
who were starting out. Person one day

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I' ll meet her, but
she went through to get you that idea.

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I' m talking. I had
that in two thousand three years ago,

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not twenty years ago, and I, at that time, was studying

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computer engineering and see that they didn' t even have the Internet at home.

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In fact, he lived in a
student residence at the time and did

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not have the Internet. Then I
would leave in the morning if I connected

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to the Internet at the University to
do my things and suddenly, because I

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got some article. I don'
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the two thousand three that talked about
people coming together to generate revenue through the

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Internet, create web pages, position
them, advertise them, in that case

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Google Ats of what at that time
was Google AdWords advertising and I said wow.

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I was working on all sorts of
things at the time, loading furniture,

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bartender, all kinds of temporary jobs
I could do to pay for my

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studies and so on, and he
said hey I like to get together with

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friends in a house, create a
website and make money, and that'

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s what led me to start investigating
then. Well, that' s when

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I created a website for the university. That website was then handed over to

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the professor. He put a note
on me and I used it to practice

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what those people were counting on I
put publicity on it and, well,

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I don' t know how long
it took me. Put less than a

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month into my Google ad account and
I found out I had won a euro.

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So, to me that meant a
beastly change and it' s amazing

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because now there are students of mine
that their first contact with making money on

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the Internet is one hundred and two
hundred and three hundred euros. I won

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a euro and that euro made me
realize that there were ways in which,

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on my own, without relying on
anyone else, I could make money.

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That' s where two thousand and
three began. He began a path of

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beginning to strengthen such systems more and
more, beginning to replace the income he

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needed in other companies. What I
earned over the Internet. And, well,

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I went on to reconcile my work
as a computer engineer with what I

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was doing in the afternoons. I
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my gene ono and what I did
in the afternoons when I came to my

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house and started making a website and
so on. And well, all that

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was evolving to a point where I
realize it. Twelve years after I really

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have something very big. He was
already giving lectures, telling what he was

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doing with the subject of affiliation and
so on, and because he was the

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means I chose to make money.
What I liked most, more than the

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Google police, I liked the subject
of filiation, of archolysing the product of

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other people. And in the two
thousand fifteen, that' s when I

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realize that what I really like is
what I have potential, that I'

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m earning more than in my job. Then the two thousand and fifteen decided,

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then, to leave my work for
someone else' s account and from

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that moment on, to dedicate myself
only to my projects. And that has

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led me to go through many stages, many stages within the entrepreneurship that is,

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all of a sudden, having all
day for you to do what you

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are doing. Suddenly you realize it
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anything. All of a sudden you
realize that you can' t move forward

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on your own and you have to
hire equipment to realize that there are people

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I ask for training. So,
instead of continuing to create web pages,

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you create training to help people replicate
that path that you have traveled to help

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companies sell thanks to affiliation. I
mean, there is a journey, like

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many stages that have led me to
today many people who form as affiliates.

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It trains companies that help them sell
more with affiliates. We provide services from

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our agency to companies to set up
the whole program that they can sell more

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thanks to affiliates. We execute all
that and we also train people who are

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responsible for being the connection between the
affiliates and the companies, which are the

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managers of affiliates, who are the
ones who help what we do in the

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Agency, because we train people so
that they can also do it with other

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customers. So it' s been
a very long way to get started,

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because now we' re hiring a
lot of people, we' re climbing

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the Agency, we' re climbing
all the formations and so on. But,

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it has to do with those steps
that right now many people may be

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living at one stage or another,
their entrepreneurship or their desire to undertake.

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I, in fact, feel very
identified with you. I' m computer

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wit. I also started creating web
pages. I was in the last year

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of the institute and started to generate
income with affiliates as well. In fact,

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I got really into Amazon, well
at the beginning of the principles,

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I started recommending casinos that also gave
you money by affiliation, that basically membership,

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because there' s someone around here
is to recommend someone' s products

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or services and take you a commission, or you can even through pitches,

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that you' re now more focused
on carrying campaigns, pitches and looking for

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those influences between quotes or people who
have a community, people who have reach,

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i mel marketing, etc, to
give them a commission. And it

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' s really very powerful. But
in my case, for example, that

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I had a salary with Amazon,
Amazon changed its business model, conditions and

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my business, that I completely,
then I had to reinvent myself a few

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years ago and this depend on different
companies to take you a commission. It

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may be great, but it obviously
has that hidden part that if you only

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depend on a company, like it
happened to me, because your business may

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be in danger overnight. There'
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to have several affiliate companies, several
businesses, various sources of revenue. Or

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what you' ve learned over the
years. So see if we focus only

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on what the monetization part is,
without having a product of our own as

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an affiliate with Google advertising. I
lived that situation of being in two thousand

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three already by two thousand six,
generating a good bonus with Google advertising.

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For every click on the police of
my web pages I was paid money and

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I was there, because I had
completely replaced those jobs I was doing to

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reinforce because, as a formatic and
I earned very little at that time to

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live in Madrid, then I had
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what happens in two thousand six,
roughly cancel my Google account. Okay.

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So that' s where I realized
that I was depending on that extra income

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from a company. I' ve
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of a month. Then that'
s where I could have said Vale.

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It was very nice to make money
online, but in the end it'

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s not that real, because look
what happened to me. No and many

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stayed on that path because, suddenly, Google changed policies whatever it was.

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But there I, that' s
where I discovered affiliation and in fact,

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I always say it was by accident, because it was a person who contacted

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me so that I would write on
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had nothing to do with my blog. Everything was aligned perfectly. I found

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out. He paid me x money
to publish the article. More then he

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told me he was going to win
commissions. If they then did the activity

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they asked for, it was to
sell used mobile phones on their website.

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So I said it' s good
for me what you' re paying me

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as a fixed amount and the other
thing. Well, if something cool comes

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up, what happens? Then I
discovered that I placed that article very well

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and started getting a lot on that
side of commissions. Not then did I

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discover filiation from that place, and
what I realized is that it was no

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longer dependent on a single company,
because even if you are only affiliated,

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say, although only promotions from other
people, you have millions of products that

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you can recommend. But if I
were to be recommended, as you say,

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I would recommend one thing. In
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affiliate, that is, you don' t have a product of your own

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to sell, but you sell products
of other people no longer depend, but

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it depends on the assets that you
are able to generate, to which you

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can promote their products, that is, if I am working for here company,

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I am already promoting their products and
I am focusing on a specific niche,

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that is, because I am going
to promote products that have to do

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with marketing or I am going to
proorcior products have to do with gardening.

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They can also be physical products from
Amazon or. Whatever it is, then

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I' m going to somehow become
an asset that has to do with that

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subject. I' m creating a
blog that' s going to be visited,

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I' m going to create an
Instagram channel, a YouTube channel,

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whatever, that' s going to
have more and more audience. I'

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m going to create my own list
of subscribers, so your asset is no

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longer that you' re promoting those
products. Your asset is that audience you

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' re generating, which you can
then promote one product or another or another.

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Then you' ll never run out
of products you can promote. If

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you specialize in a theme, the
wider, the better, don' t

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just go to yoga. Go to
development in general, because that includes many

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more things. So, if you
can create that asset, that audience?

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You can even go if you are
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specializing in that topic, because much
better, because there you will not go.

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Even if products disappear, nothing will
happen, because you will already have

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those people to whom you will be
able to recommend other things that arise.

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Obviously, if you already mean,
well, I don' t want to

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be just affiliate product anymore. I
want to take another step, which would

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be and create your own products,
because we already play with other rules and

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we have to do other things.
As an affiliate, you simply focus on

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selling, like creating your own product. You have to create the whole sales

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process. You have to deliver that
product, you have to create the product,

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you have to give a support,
you have to mean, as they

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are other different rules, then it
is not I have to do everything to

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diversify, because being only affiliate can
go very well, or being only your

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own product can go very well,
but it would diversify more to focus on

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creating an asset that would be that
audience then have room for everything as much

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trusted product as my own products.
Totally, in my case, I just

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recommend email marketing tools, recommend tools
to create web pages. I recommend,

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for example, Hustinger to also create
web pages and histings. And for me

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too, that' s an important
source of income. But I also have

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my courses, obviously, and there
is also the part of promoting my courses

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through affiliates. It' s not
like one more step of giving a commission

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to sell my own products. I
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You' ve been through those parts
too. You did a big pitch

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a few years ago. Tell us
that part of the launch, because I

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think for a release so that you
sell a product through direct, through the

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method of the launch, as you
have done now, if you want to

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tell us and it really works and
sells well, I think one of the

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keys is that other people recommend it, because you can only put advertising campaigns

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in. But for it to really
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and what you' re working on
with the Agency is empowering that through giving

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commissions and finding suitable people. Tell
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If you used affiliate systems and recommending
other people recommended or if you want to

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share, there are data, etcetera. So tell us what that part was

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like. Yeah, in the end, a lot of people think if we

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put ourselves on the side of or
that I have my own product, I

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want to sell it. Many think
that to sell it, there is only

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publishing content and others or advertising so
that people know my product. And if

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they think or know that affiliation also
exists, they think that that has to

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be done already as later. It' s not a leg they leave for

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later. So I, after many
years of being an affiliate, stand up

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because either, I quit my job
at two thousand fifteen and my intention was

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if I, when I get out
of work at seven o' clock in

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the afternoon or at six o'
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my website and I do very well
what it will be like if I have

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all day to make my website.
I mean, my intention was to keep

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making website and making money from them
and so happy. But it is true

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that I was writing at the same
time on a blog that has been monetized.

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Com I was writing, because everything
that was going on and more and

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more personal liked what I wrote and
asked for me, asked me hey,

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Javi, I want, I want, I am applying, it works for

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me and so on, I would
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and so on, then, like
the audience was asking you to do something

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organized and so on. And that' s where I have a friend who

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' s Angel Alegre, who I' m sure you know a lot.

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I think you know him and he
told me, says Javi Mira. My

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audience needs this so, or I
pay you to tell me a pretty interesting

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amount. Or I pay you this
and you believe it and I sell it

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in my audience. Or I'
m affiliated with your product. So what

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does it mean that I, when
I launched my product, said okay I

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' m going to create a course. That also caught my attention from the

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part of selling my own product,
creating sales fans, playing with all that

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I liked and had the option of
investing in advertising. He had some money

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in store and say come on,
for what everyone does. I invest in

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advertising, fill x squares with that
money that makes me profit, because I

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reinvest it in a next release and
so I grow. That' s not

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what most people do. But I
said listen if I already have people who

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have told me they want their audiences
to want this course. I mean,

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the audience wants this course, because
it' s not to get me out

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of it. And I' ve
been affiliated for many years with other people

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why don' t you have UAs
fia sell my products. Then there I

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invested little in the first pitch.
We' re talking about two thousand sixteen

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that I made that first at the
hoisting of a product of my own.

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I' ve never sold anything like
it to anyone before. It was the

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first time and it was a product
of seven hundred euros. Well, if

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I sell ten twenty, it'
s crazy, you don' t just

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quit my job. He was just
like me recently. What do I know,

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because the salary of many months and
well I leveraged in three people.

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I counted on three people who already
had qualified hearings. So what I did

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instead of investing in advertising, I
invested a small part, as I went

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to audiences through an affiliate who knew
that I was already with the person who

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was interested in that product. Although
I already knew that there was the person

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who could help you with this product
that I was going to offer, then

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what happened that I was expecting about
twenty places and it was a launch in

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which I was completely alone, I
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I did everything that' s done
in a pitch, even before people

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were ready and how you did the
pitch look I did a pitch this guy

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and what' s called jet Walker
pitch formula. But the only thing I

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knew about formula was that it was
four videos, because the rest I made

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up. I didn' t know
what the formula method was up to millions

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of billing then this, thank you
very much, I tell it, but

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it' s true that I had
as the main ideas and on that basis

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I built my process. Then I
made a release in which, then,

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I created four videos, the typical
ones not like now that I always do

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in I will say this and more
than one four videos. I began to

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capture leads through affiliates who invited that
training and consumed the four videos. I

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in the room made a sale and
had seven days of typical sales release that

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we know if this direct also in
the last did not make directly. It

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was all on video. It'
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as I say I expected about twenty
people and after a week of madness,

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that is, of a process of
madness, came in about two hundred and

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fifty at that time, two thousand
and sixteen and it was not so sounded

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to make a loop above hundreds and
a peak thousand were like one hundred and

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forty zero euros. So, I
just left a job on account recently.

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I did bill well as an affiliate, but I hadn' t entered my

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account that way or. Be there, I had to start breaking down several

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barriers to the point that a friend
of mine called me the next day and

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Javi found out what happened, my
mother, what you did. Such,

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then, Mira recommended you because he
was a person who was billing a lot

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at the time two thousand sixteen with
his own products and says Mira, because

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now you could do this. I
don' t know what I said Look,

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I don' t want to do
anymore. I' m exhausted,

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I mean, I' m twelve
zero, zero, I closed and I

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didn' t want anything else.
The next day I woke up with eight

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hundred people on the waiting list.
I mean, they could have gone in

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a lot more, but I didn' t want any more. I said

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I can' t do it anymore. In fact, it was there.

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I had to go through a mental
process of many things, because quickly people

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came to contact me Javi, so
look, I want to help you.

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I don' t know what,
I don' t know how many,

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like it sounded. No. And
well, that' s where I started

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to work in mentality, because I
was all over two hundred and fifty people

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asking for support, I don'
t know what. Well, because I

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started building a team, I started
taking the steps that were the first pillars

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to have a company. And not
to be me, so throwing products,

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no and nothing. That led me
to six or seven months later making another

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pitch in which, instead of two
hundred and fifty, about six hundred people

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entered. You are not well leveraged, but on this occasion more gemplo,

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in this case because already instead of
three, I counted with six or seven

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affiliates. Indeed, between those two
launches let' s say that sixty percent

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of the billing came through their affiliates. Okay, so I realized that was

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working out there. And that'
s when I started teaching other companies how

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to do it. And that'
s when I started teaching myself to lock

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myself in a hotel for four days
with some of the biggest references at the

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time and I taught them how to
apply it. They applied it well.

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The result was then an online training
so that more people could, apart from

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training me as supporters, also create
their affiliate programs no. And that led

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us to understand a little bit the
potential that can have and the impact that

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lan can have on selling your own
product. On the one hand, we

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have seen that you can use it
from the start if you do it correctly.

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There are friends of yours who will
surely have audiences, that you can

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do with them. You don'
t have to mount big stories and then

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you can already create great moves.
We, already from the Agency, have

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made great movements. We participated in
the first release of formula, launch in

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the Hispanic market. We manage all
that strategy and move many affiliates with great

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referents, with large communities. This
is public. So, I can tell.

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I can talk about figures at the
time, as it was a similar

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release of four videos and other good, four direct and there it was billed

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as three and a half million dollars, of which eighty percent came from affiliate

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sales. So there you can see
a little bit of the magnitude of what

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you can get by doing a great
affiliation management. And then, we have

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already continued with other customers that we
can talk about very large figures, with

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a high percentage of sales per affiliation. Not then. That shows that it

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is very powerful to have people already
positioned and you, instead of just going

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through advertising, looking for the ideal
audience for your project, go directly to

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the community, where you already know
that audience is and give for your project.

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And today, that' s what
we' re working on. There

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' s a lot of companies asking
for us. That' s what we

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train professionals because we don' t
supply. We either supply ourselves or we

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don' t want to take on
all the companies. In the end,

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we want to choose very well the
companies in which we work and there is

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a potential, there is very great, that few are taking advantage to sell

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their products. I have a community
of entrepreneurs and I also use affiliation.

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In fact, today some points that
are then redeemable for different prizes, for

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amazone coupons and things like that.
But it' s hard for people to

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take it seriously and really recommend it
to boost it. People who are already

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living within the Community, who know
what is inside and who recommend to other

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known friends what the Community is.
Yes, it arises naturally, but I

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would like to enhance it more and
I think that this point may be many

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people here too in this situation.
What would best work for people who bought

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your course to recommend it, who
bought it or who are in a community,

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to recommend it and give them a
commission. What commission should we give

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fifty percent, thirty to seventy,
and what actions should we do to make

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them recommenders, not full- time, but take it more seriously so that

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we can profit more. Okay,
there' s a lot of things there.

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You haven' t played like a
lot of songs. On the one

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hand, he likes how to get
it. People really involve promoting your product.

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One thing is to say yes,
yes, I want to be your

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affiliate. And another thing is that
then you do actions and see results.

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Another thing is what kind of fans
we can go, not talk about people

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who dedicate themselves professionally to it or
people who are like something extra within their

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own project, that is, I
have my own product, I sell my

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own projects and more for part,
I can do some action as an affiliate.

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No, and then the key is
next. It changes a lot based

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on the type of affiliate you want
it' s okay if we form professional

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affiliates say, people who are not
referents, don' t have a large

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community, aren' t known,
don' t have a subscriber list,

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have virtually nothing at visibility level,
but are able to generate great results as

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affiliates. Even live from affiliation why, because they are good, in finding

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the right people for the right product. That' s it. Membership is

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nothing more than a job of connecting. Okay then, if you work with

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affluent professionals, who are people who
want to dedicate a hundred percent of the

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membership, they have a motivation and
that is that what I am promoting allows

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me to live from affiliation, then
there we already enter into, which takes

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on more importance. The Commission'
s subject. How much I can pay

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from the Commission, how much I
can earn is not so much the Commission,

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but how it converts the sales process. If I' m doing that

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through traffic, I' m making
traffic profitable, that is, the sales

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process is working well so that I, if I put money in there,

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I generate a positive return. So
there' s that kind of thing that

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needs to be analyzed. And if
I' m talking about people who are

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our specialty, our great differentiation of
authority, people who already have their own

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projects. How I think they get
involved and promote another person' s product

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and they' re really into their
project and they' re very focused on

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their releases, why they' re
going to spend time promoting someone else'

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s product So, that' s
when other rules come in. It is

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no longer normally the Commission' s
business there. It is important, yes,

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it is relevant, yes, but
it is not what makes the difference

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between whether I want to become fond
of a product or not and, above

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all, after it really motivates me
to do actions and has results. So,

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if we talk from that place,
because there will be so many people

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who have a certain audience. It
has a canatle, a channel of instalognm

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and so on, because it must
be understood that what really motivates them is

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not the Commission. The Commission is
there for them very well. It'

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s an extra, but usually those
people make a lot more money with their

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own project than they can earn as
affiliates. It is true that there are

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times that it is not despicable and
some see it as one more game within

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their annual billing, as I have
to bill x for affiliation during this year

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and put it between their planning.
Perfect. But the thing is what moves

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those people to want to promote a
product from someone other than their own,

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even when sometimes it can be considered
competition, that is, if they buy

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me from the other person, they
won' t buy me. It'

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s not things that we work with. How do we get five hundred people

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in a release like Formula who want
to promote product, five hundred people with

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audiences, with authority with their own
project. How do we ensure that in

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projects such as Vilma Núñez, which
we also manage the strategy, there are

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people with large communities who bill millions
and millions a year and join this project.

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I like them. In fact,
you' re also clear there,

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so you can give your version of
what motivates you and now we' ll

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see. If what I say is
fulfilled, no, then. In the

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end, it' s one if
we talk about this heavy authority that you

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can convince to promote your products.
They' re the ones that have the

417
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.880
real potential, that is, at
the professional end it' s fine,

418
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.359
but we, generally, seventy percent
of the sales on our launch comes from

419
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:21.680
authority affiliates to verrasse millions that we
manage. So what motivates them what you

420
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.119
have to make them see isn'
t the Commission that you' re going

421
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:26.440
to pay them. And the main
mistake that people who have a project and

422
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:33.400
seek affiliates make is to write you
an email asking me for this kind of

423
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.279
thing by saying hey look. I
want to see promotions that this product is

424
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:37.839
worth so much and I' m
going to pay you so much from the

425
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.240
Commission. That' s not what
convinces that person. The question is what

426
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.319
it will bring to that person,
both professionally and personally, to participate in

427
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:53.079
that launch and not always, that
is, and very rarely, in the

428
00:27:53.119 --> 00:28:00.440
Commission. What is, normally,
because it is what effect it will have

429
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.000
on my audience, that is,
to associate with this person to whom I

430
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.519
am promoting. My audience is going
to do me good, it' s

431
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.680
going to raise my authority, even
because they see that I' m with

432
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.759
this person collaborating in some way,
it' s going to bring me interesting

433
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:17.880
content that I' m going to
be able to bring to my community,

434
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:18.599
and my community is going to be
grateful for what I' m sharing perfectly.

435
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.599
What other doors can open for me
maybe us. What we do is

436
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.400
always create a series of initiatives,
that is, you if you participate in

437
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.880
a launch of those we manage.
Apart from winning commissions, you can win

438
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.359
prizes and those prizes are usually things
you can' t afford with all the

439
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.240
money in the world. Even if
you have all the money in the world,

440
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.519
then people often want to be on
their pitch if they commit themselves to

441
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.559
accessing their prizes. For example,
we, in Vilma Núñez launches, offer

442
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.799
the top twenty affiliates access to a
private master maing. With Vilma Núñez in

443
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.839
Miami only 20 people give in and
many people there tell me hear Javi,

444
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.079
I want to be there. What
to do, when it' s next

445
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:56.759
and how much to pay. I
mean, he can' t. You

446
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.359
can' t pay, you can' t buy. The only way to

447
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:06.599
do that is by being affiliated with
this product. Then many join because they

448
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.400
want to be there, because they
know what happens in a private mastermaing in

449
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.319
Vilma Núñez' s house or in
Vilma de Niñez' s offices and among

450
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.079
the TOP twenty that go there know
what happens, because there have already been

451
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.079
several editions and because you can imagine
if they go to the TOP twenty turns

452
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.839
with more results. What can come
out of there, because there are associations,

453
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.839
there are collaborations, there are characters
that set up companies together, there

454
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.960
are events where you go with speakers
a lot of things. Not then that

455
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.160
' s a real attraction. Obviously, underneath this is that I know that

456
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.200
this product can help my audience,
that I know this is going to work

457
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.160
well, because that' s what
my audience may need. But my incentive

458
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.920
is not the commissions I am going
to receive, but what doors can open

459
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.519
for me to be part of this
group of parties. Also in our case

460
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.759
we give them very good training.
We accompanied them during the launch process.

461
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.359
So there are a lot of things
that come together now just to learn marketing

462
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.680
stuff. We teach them to deliver
the product, because then they can also

463
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.160
apply their own projects. Many people
go through our process to promote a vile

464
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.480
product or whatever, and then apply
many strategies to their projects and elevate them.

465
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.119
So that person who' s motivating
you, is motivating all the learning

466
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.240
you' re going to get in
a free way. Above you will earn

467
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:12.680
money, on top you can win
prizes and on top you will have a

468
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.720
knowledge that you can then apply to
your projects. That' s what you

469
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.319
see. Are there many reasons that
we work for each person, because a

470
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.160
person can motivate the master mind?
Can someone else be motivated? Learning?

471
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.599
Can someone else be motivated? To
stand above other bereaved ones. Another person

472
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.200
can be motivated He is about the
producer of vilma whoever it is. Then

473
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.160
there are many things to analyze to
know why a person is going to get

474
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.920
involved and then constantly remind him of
those benefits and those doors that can be

475
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:41.880
opened so that he does not leave. When I eat his day- to

476
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.599
- day and say yes, I
want to talk to you, but then

477
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.359
he eats my day- to-
day, then I can' t promote

478
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.359
him, he doesn' t give
me time. And so, there'

479
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.240
s making it as easy as you
can, as much as you have,

480
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.599
as they may need when it comes
to promoting the product and, on the

481
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.440
other hand, remembering why they'
re really doing this, which doors can

482
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.400
be opened to them. In my
case, I think they are also several

483
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:07.079
factors. For example, I know
that there are people who want to train

484
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.640
with me, but there are other
people who prefer other referents and, in

485
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.599
fact, because that' s why
I usually recommend other people and I generate

486
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.039
income. Also affiliated with affiliation and
also motivates me, obviously that it works

487
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:25.200
and that the conversions are there,
that I receive periodic income and also to

488
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.759
recommend to someone that I know is
doing a good job. You mentioned the

489
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.039
subject of master minds. You and
I were in a master mind You'

490
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:34.480
re still in master ming. Now
you' re kind of a master mind.

491
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.640
They' re important to you how
they helped you. Yeah, for

492
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.640
me now the way I keep keeping
up and the way I' m working

493
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:48.000
out. The barriers I have based
on people who can help me because they

494
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.079
' ve already gone through those barriers
are two. On the one hand,

495
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.039
I form my team, that is, I have already realized that the greatest

496
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.759
training to advance in my company I
do not have to receive it. I

497
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:05.160
have to refer my team. Then
I buy formations that my team can make.

498
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.039
Okay. The following is also to
hire people to get in and out.

499
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.119
It' s worth the day to
day as an entrepreneur, it eats

500
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.240
your day to day and in the
end you have many things to do and

501
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:15.119
in the end it' s worth
it. It' s very good what

502
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.680
you' re proposing. I love
it, I know it would help me,

503
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.000
but do it you are good then
against other people who get in and

504
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.960
implement or maybe at the consulting level, get in, train my team,

505
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.759
manage an area of my team for
a specific task, that is to say

506
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.960
I carry trainings for my team,
formations and people who implement it. And

507
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.759
then, if it' s me
that I want to form, the format

508
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.119
that I like the most is master
Mind' s is worth saying I'

509
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.920
m going to be with a group, that' s less and less.

510
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.119
I get into a training that I
have to consume and apply. I do

511
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.839
for very concrete things, and I
do have a lot of formations, and

512
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.400
I am moving on to some of
them for very concrete things. I do

513
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.240
like to keep training in that way. But what I like most is meeting

514
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.880
people from the same point, so
they' re in a similar stage,

515
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:06.279
and feedback. So, that'
s why I participate at the level of

516
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.480
form nest They' re usually in
master Mins. They are master Minds in

517
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.759
Brazil, they are more of Minds
in good people who do it in Latan

518
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:15.839
Brazil and Spain and so on.
So, for me, that format is

519
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.440
fundamental, as long as it is
well managed. As long as they'

520
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.039
re okay, select the people inside
Master Mind to make sure that you'

521
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.599
re not the smartest in the room, but, on the other hand,

522
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.079
you can be the dumbest best.
Not then. That' s where I

523
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.279
like to move to overcome the barriers
I have in my day to day and

524
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.079
you do it periodically. You'
re in some particular way getting together with

525
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:44.839
a particular group, or it'
s as you emerge or as you look

526
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.640
at it today This is an appeal
to the public. I' m looking

527
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.799
for the next master' s degree, in which I want to be on

528
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.880
the face- to- face level, because I have several candidates in Brazil,

529
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:57.799
in the United States and so on. So, I want to see

530
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.319
where to put myself, which also
requires a big investment in time when it

531
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.039
comes to traveling, organizing, and
so on. So, well, I

532
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.760
' m in that moment of searching. I' m lucky or somehow,

533
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:14.320
because I' ve got a lot
of them invited. Many times I'

534
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.519
m going to give lectures at some
master Mind and I' m going to

535
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.159
tell you about things that they'
re interested in, about affiliation, about

536
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:22.960
how to make pitches with afflicted people
and so on. So, I am

537
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.280
invited to that Masterman and I have
already gone to several countries and then I

538
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.760
am in some online that we have
started very little ago with people from Latin

539
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.800
America and others who are people who, well, they are doing things that

540
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.360
I am doing and I know they
are at high levels. Then I'

541
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:46.400
m with them. But it'
s not so easy for me to look

542
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.719
for the master mind that I need
to focus on, it' s okay

543
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:52.280
because I' d go to everybody. I mean, I have ten more

544
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.679
topics that I' d like to
go to, and I know I'

545
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.519
d get something out of everything,
even if it was just for the people

546
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.239
you' re gonna meet. But
in the end, when you have a

547
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.679
limited time, I' ve had
a son of a stocks, I want

548
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.000
to spend time and so on,
and I have a company to run and

549
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.119
so on, so when you say
it' s okay, I can'

550
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:07.760
t, I don' t want
to be all day. Out there I

551
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:14.159
want to devote myself to specific moments. That' s when I have to

552
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.239
pick one two that they' re
in, and that' s not that

553
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.199
simple. That' s why I' m still on that quest. We

554
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.719
expect absolute importance as long as you
find a group of people who are in

555
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.960
steps similar to yours and who have
overcome barriers that you have to overcome.

556
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:32.159
How has been that change of entrepreneur, to set up your own websites generate

557
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:39.320
income to that phase that you have
started to count on being an entrepreneur managing

558
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.480
teams you would stay with each other. It has its advantages and difficulties each

559
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:49.719
of them, because now the issue
of management of equipment, salaries or payments,

560
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.199
etc, and much larger amounts,
but before you had more freedom in

561
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.840
quotation marks. Or that' s
not how that change is. Now that

562
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.119
you' ve seen these two points
of view, you see, this is

563
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.199
an interesting topic, no, and
I' m sort of solving it,

564
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.480
but there are times that come up
to me, that one comes back to

565
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.719
me. I mean, it'
s like I go every equix time getting

566
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.760
a checkpoint to say around here or
not. This way either I recalculate or

567
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.840
what I do. Not to see
it all started at that moment when I

568
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.719
do. I do a release two
thousand sixteen coming in one hundred and fifty

569
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:30.440
people and that' s when I
already start doing a lot of tasks that

570
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:37.039
I don' t want, I
don' t mean, I don'

571
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:37.039
t know if out of two hundred
and fifty people asked me for evolution eight,

572
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.760
but those eight. I was pained, that is, at the level

573
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.559
of mentality, at the level of
management, at the level of i e,

574
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.159
many things not or at that time
I had to make bills practically by

575
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.760
hand. So, put yourself on
my bill, I started doing a series

576
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.519
of things that I didn' t
want to do and that and that took

577
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.199
ninety percent of my time. So, there, when I realized that I

578
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.440
actually have to have people who have
in this kind of thing. When I

579
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:07.639
started that hiring process, I started
hiring a virtual assistant. Then I would

580
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.199
keep hiring a person to give support
because I didn' t come or spend

581
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.159
all day doing support or improving the
course, i e I didn' t

582
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:15.840
have time for anything else. So
I broke a mental barrier that people love

583
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:22.159
Javier Lices no. People want to
solve their things, they want to see

584
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:22.920
results and if those results. You
get it great, you give it to

585
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.719
someone else great. I broke that
barrier. I put in a tutor works

586
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.039
very well and from that moment on
I always have tutors. Then I was

587
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.079
like looking at those stages based on
the needs they had. It' s

588
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.880
not like now that many companies start
and there' s a lot of information,

589
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.599
there' s a lot of people
who train you in it and you

590
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.559
say I' ve already started and
I' ve started from the beginning my

591
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.880
processes, the hierarchy that I want, the people that I need the contracts

592
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.199
and that' s what I need
in the run, no no, I

593
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.559
found it, and I went getting
people and learning the process. There are

594
00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:00.559
times when you already have to build
that equipment and when you are somehow aware

595
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.519
that to grow the company does not
depend on you, it depends on the

596
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:10.639
equipment you build. There are times
when you can stay away from what you

597
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.800
really like. If I liked to
be an affiliate, if I liked to

598
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.880
sell products by affiliation, if I
liked to make fans, I like all

599
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.039
that. There comes a time when
you realize that you are very far from

600
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.920
it, that what you are devoting
yourself to hiring people, to training them,

601
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.440
to caring for them, to managing
finances well to see if it gives

602
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.320
you the company cost, the salaries
you have to pay with what is coming

603
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.599
in and so on, that is, you have to put in a series

604
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.360
of dynamics that are carried by a
manager of a company that, honestly,

605
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:45.159
does not motivate me. There are
times that I say what I want is

606
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.159
to be an affiliate, I want
to do in marketing. I don'

607
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.719
t want to be running a team. I don' t want to be

608
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:52.400
managing finances and so on, but
it' s true that you have to

609
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.360
go through a valley where you have
to do it until you have someone who

610
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.559
can do it. Then I always
talk about having the chance to go on

611
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.760
alone and be very quiet and make
a lot of money and I' d

612
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.199
have a lot more room and more
money in my pockets and live a very

613
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.199
comfortable life. It is what my
students do, who live very well because

614
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.760
they are affiliated and earn money and
organize themselves as they want and have no

615
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.320
one else on the team, that
is, some freelance and others, or

616
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.440
continue to grow in that structure and
continue to manage the company. What happens

617
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.639
that I have ideas that I want
to carry out, I have projects I

618
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.519
want to carry out and so on. And if you' d just stay

619
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.559
in quotation marks, if I were
to be just campaigning or just being an

620
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.760
affiliate, I' d just be
selling my products, managing my event process

621
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:44.039
and more than I could, I
kind of feel like I' d lack

622
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:45.079
that part of wanting to create new
things. And for that I know I

623
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.960
need a company. And for that
I know I need a valley. Pass

624
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.039
through a valley, a valley in
which you realize that you spend much more

625
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:55.159
and earn much less. Why,
because you' re focused on forming a

626
00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:00.280
team that' s gonna get you
up that curve then. And that'

627
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:06.480
s where a lot of people stay. That' s where a lot of

628
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.440
everything when we lived a young moment
of the pandemic, there were many people

629
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:15.079
who started selling a lot because the
situation seemed, they started hiring because they

630
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:16.840
had to give way to everything they
had sold. And when it wasn'

631
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.000
t selling so much anymore, many
fell because they had acquired an oversize of

632
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.840
equipment and others that they couldn'
t then assume. Then. That'

633
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:30.119
s where, then, you'
re learning little by little how to manage

634
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.360
it well and keep that balance.
I also fell into the mistake of suddenly

635
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.239
hiring almost twenty people on my team, devoting myself only to managing those twenty

636
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:44.280
people and not continuing to sell and
not focusing on making sales processes and not

637
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.760
putting the focus on feeding the machine
that I ate more and more when you

638
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.360
plant that every month you have to
pay a lot of salaries, but and

639
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.480
you have to put the focus on
managing those people and then you are not

640
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.559
entering what has to enter, because
that, well, it was a mistake

641
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.079
or a big learning, because then
I hired a person who was the one

642
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.199
who took care of everything else so
that I could be focused on that.

643
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.519
So, like you' re learning
and it' s a price to pay

644
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.920
high. I mean, if you
really want to start and you really want

645
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:19.280
to have freedom of time by doing
big numbers or you do it very well

646
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.440
just that you can, or if
you want to go through more projects,

647
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:29.039
you have to set up a team
and you have to be aware that you

648
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.960
are going through a complicated time,
complicated to manage all that and well,

649
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.280
you have to fight because that team
works. People get in shape, then

650
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.880
they leave you' re out of
squares. It' s like there'

651
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.119
s a lot to balance today at
what point we' re at so that

652
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.840
you can also serve from all this
experience, today we' re at a

653
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:52.519
point where we hire better, we
hire faster. We have support in hiring

654
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.880
that team, that is, we
have companies specialized in human resources to help

655
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.159
us select their profiles. We defined
very well. We define very well what

656
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.360
each person has to do so that
it doesn' t take so much time.

657
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:07.599
Then to us, because that person
is very clear what he has to

658
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.639
do and we work very well in
the processes that that person has to do

659
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.559
within the responsibility that has been assigned, in such a way that to us,

660
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.800
because it does not require us to
have to stay all the time on

661
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:23.480
top of that person by supervising or
reviewing it, and we take care that

662
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:29.400
there is a person who is in
charge in some way to track all the

663
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.840
equipment and that everything works when you
build, that is, when you can

664
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:34.800
already have the ability to grow to
another point. But you have to like

665
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.320
it and you want to have to
really want to go for it, because

666
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:45.320
there are many complicated moments and I
know a lot of entrepreneurs who are at

667
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.639
that point I' m fighting with
team and you talk to them three years

668
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.320
later and continue to work with the
team and it' s a day-

669
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.480
to- day constant. But it
is true that I am aware that at

670
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.599
the point I want to reach it
is not up to me, it depends

671
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:04.440
on the team I build. We
put a lot of fire there productivity mill,

672
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.559
how many hours you work in the
day, on weekends you rest,

673
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:14.559
you have vacation or I, for
example, I do disconnect in summer much

674
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.119
more, but checking email, checking
in the community, etcetera. How you

675
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:23.360
manage it. You look there,
there has done us an incredible favor my

676
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:30.239
son Oliver Vale. When he was
born well, when we found out that

677
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.320
Rock was pregnant as a couple,
then we started changing the chip because we

678
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:42.400
already realized that yes or yes,
we wanted to focus instead of growing up

679
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.039
and I was very clear that at
least three four months wanted to be disconnected.

680
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.079
Not everyone can afford it except if
you' re on maternity leave,

681
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:52.840
you can be three months old,
but I didn' t want to be

682
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.039
disconnected. But for my company to
remain in Mars and continue to generate,

683
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:04.079
then we prepared for all that time
and put a lot of effort into creating

684
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.559
a team that could work without us. So, well, we managed to

685
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.119
create the team that works at that
time so we could work without us.

686
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.280
We' ve been disconnected for a
while. We were able to devote all

687
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:15.840
the time of the day to Oliver
and so on. And when we'

688
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.559
re back to work, it'
s been a long time, because Oliver

689
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.679
' s about a year old and
we' ve come back in a very

690
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:27.800
different way. Why, because we' re aware of the time we have

691
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.039
before we dilated the time before Oliver. It is true that we could be

692
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.719
working twelve, thirteen, fourteen hours
without problem why. Because Rodelinda and I

693
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.679
work together with my partner in the
same company we like, motivate, we

694
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.440
have many ideas. Then, we
could be working all day and never disconnected.

695
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.239
Week you can rest, but you' re always thinking about turning around

696
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.559
and for me they' re bad, because in the end what motivates us

697
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:52.880
and we like and don' t
like to think or ideas without extra entrepreneurship.

698
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.800
Then that part of being all the
time thinking about the business. I

699
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.159
don' t see it as a
bad thing. There are no people who

700
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.840
do. Then you' d have
to see why. But it' s

701
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:02.159
fine with me. The thing is
the number of hours you' ve done,

702
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.440
because you like it so much that
the hard thing is to stop doing

703
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:07.800
it and the hard thing is to
say I' m going to disconnect.

704
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.239
Now. Oliver has led us to
yes or yes, at such an hour

705
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.079
we want to disconnect except punctual things, like a direct or something to attend,

706
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:16.880
some whatsapp, whatever, but we
do disconnect then that has become much

707
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:23.880
more productive, because working fewer hours
we advance much more. How we'

708
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.000
re more productive. On the one
hand, choosing very well what we do.

709
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.800
Before, we did a lot more
things than we really did. Now

710
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.920
we focus very well on hating very
well what can really work for us.

711
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.239
If we don' t do it, we' re too raced to put

712
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.880
a new piece or not into our
day. Every day and in our projects.

713
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.760
And, on the other hand,
we' re very, very obsessed

714
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.599
with what. It' s not
what to do and how to do it,

715
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.800
but who' s going to do
it. So, that allows us

716
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.320
to focus a lot on which person
that' s going to execute this.

717
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.320
I' m aware that at first
I' m going to execute it,

718
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.239
I' m going to define a
process and then I' m going to

719
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.320
execute it to someone else. Why. Because I really want to be able

720
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:12.599
to focus on tasks that generate a
real pact in the company and that can

721
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.840
' t be done by anyone but
me, that' s not true,

722
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:16.480
because there' s always someone I
can do even better than you. But

723
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.960
where really, on the one hand, I have real impact and where I

724
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:28.280
like to be also what I enjoy, then at time level. I have

725
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.760
realized that when, for whatever reason
you shorten the time, yes or yes,

726
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.840
the fall, yes or yes,
everything can flow much better because you

727
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.679
become much more suspicious than you do
in your day- to- day life.

728
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.039
So there I would invite people if
you' re throwing out many hours

729
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.159
and you don' t want because
maybe you want perfect they saw, you

730
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.239
don' t want, don'
t think about how to be able to

731
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.119
do more things in less time,
but think about what is the only thing

732
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.280
that will empower you everything else.
That' s one thing I get and

733
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.039
I have a lot left of one
of the mentors I had in Brazil who

734
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.599
told me something, as well as
when I define what to do in a

735
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.400
project, I think he what I
want to do, that is, where

736
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:13.480
I am at, where I want
to get there and how can I get

737
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.559
there? This isn' t worth
what I want here. I' m

738
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.880
aware of this. Here I want
to get. This is my goal and

739
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.039
this is the way, the strategy
that' s going to take me from

740
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.159
here. And the fourth point is
what I have to do so I don

741
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:30.119
' t have to do any of
this. That stayed a long time and

742
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.400
that for me productivity ok and I' ve thought about this strategy. I

743
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.239
have thought about this to execute this
project, what we can do so that

744
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.360
with much less it doesn' t
take all this to reach my goal,

745
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.840
the same results. And that'
s what I' m always thinking.

746
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.199
There are times that in the day
to day you don' t apply it

747
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:47.360
so much because it' s how
to execute? How about a bow,

748
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.159
already this date, how should we
pull? But I do seek to have

749
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.880
those spaces in which more to execute. I think, in fact, just

750
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:04.119
this part you' re saying I
think it' s revealing, because in

751
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.920
many books, actually think yaga to
be Rico, for example, they don

752
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.760
' t tell you that last part
that I think is revealing, that you

753
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.039
' ve commented and I think there
may be a lot of potential for me.

754
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.840
Let' s go with some round
of quick questions. What is your

755
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:31.360
greatest success in devoting myself to what
I like. Your biggest failure is that

756
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:37.719
not that if we see bigger we
are going to cost me because it costs

757
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.960
me, that is, it has
been a long time that the issue of

758
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.360
failure I do not take, then
I find it difficult to go back to

759
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:46.760
the moment when I considered something a
failure. Okay. For example, I

760
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:52.880
' ve mentioned it before a learning
that has led me to negative things.

761
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.000
That oversized team thing. It gave
me a lot of headache and we went

762
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.679
through a complicated time. For example, the best sales strategy. Today,

763
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:07.880
what do you think can work,
give the person in front of you what

764
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:14.679
he needs. And finally, email
marketing is fundamental today or not, but

765
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:23.840
it has to be done. Come
on now. To go, finishing the

766
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.199
episode, I think you' ve
brought a lot of value and good.

767
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:32.039
We' ve talked about affiliation,
we' ve talked about releases, master

768
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.159
minds, productivity, some book you
can recommend. There are many, not

769
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:45.920
many. I really like one called
the layman in the enemy. I really

770
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.119
like it has a lot to do
with the entrepreneur' s career, because

771
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.599
many times we move by ego more
than by other things. That I like

772
00:49:53.719 --> 00:50:00.519
and atomic habits also helps a lot
on this whole issue of productivity and of

773
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:06.320
and of finding out what those things
are about those things that power you not

774
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.599
and I don' t know that
I could talk to you a lot.

775
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.800
I really like the other marketing,
the ras bral marketing are, I think

776
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.280
they' re mandatory to read two
with secret is, of everyone' s

777
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.559
esper secrets. Those are the ones
who have followed most people and with that

778
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.039
already know more about marketing than ninety- nine ninety percent of people. I

779
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.679
don' t know if there would
be a lot of atomic habits. I

780
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.880
have it summarized in the podcast Great
Learnings and it is one of the best

781
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:37.280
books. I think I' ve
read about habits and productivity and some movie

782
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.000
you' ve seen doesn' t
have. Why be entrepreneurship that might have

783
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:45.360
marked you, you liked it.
I come to me Whenever you ask me

784
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.239
that one comes to my head,
then you have released it, which is

785
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.000
the one seeking happiness. I think
it' s one that has a lot

786
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.360
to do with entrepreneurship. It has
a lot to do with what we seek

787
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.800
in our day to day, which
would do what we want to do.

788
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.800
No and and and give a big
one that, behind all that you want

789
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.480
to do, there' s a
very complicated process before we get to it.

790
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.519
If you had to start from scratch
now this question, I think it

791
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.920
' s typical, but what would
you do if you didn' t want

792
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.960
to bill for what you' re
billing for now but live quietly with all

793
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.920
the knowledge you have and start creating
a business to say bill a hundred zero

794
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.679
euros a year. What would you
do to get it in a year,

795
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.519
I' d start, I'
d be affiliated. In fact, when

796
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.079
I have a ceo to run my
company, I would be distressed. Only

797
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.000
really would I start the path of
sonship. I think the fastest way to

798
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:44.079
start generating income, not just to
generate income, because there are many ways

799
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:47.119
to generate income, but because I
really like what I do. With all

800
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:53.000
that, then what would I do, then, with the knowledge I have

801
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.920
now I understand, no yes,
I have knowledge, for I have no

802
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.079
money. I don' t have
any money. You have zero euros,

803
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:06.039
well, I have brewers let'
s put a hundred euros, but that

804
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.599
' s what you would do to
generate income with affiliation today, because I

805
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.960
would choose this can be very typical, but that' s that. You

806
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.800
' d see what niche I want
to focus on, I' d create

807
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.840
what it would be. They said
if you had to choose. In my

808
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.800
case, it would be marketing.
I just really like marketing. It would

809
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:27.119
be marketing, if not surely if
they told me, it can' t

810
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.960
be marketing, because it would go
on the issue of personal development. Okay

811
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.760
and there you would look for a
group of people and you would recommend their

812
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.800
products through looking for what products are
that I like, that I know there

813
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.519
are serious people behind. In the
end, when it comes to choosing products,

814
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.239
it' s which company would be
with good processes that are doing things

815
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:52.320
well that gives you the chance to
promote their products and start creating content about

816
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.400
it and, obviously, try to
make a sale as fast as possible.

817
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.239
Saying if I get people to the
publications I' m doing, because contacting

818
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:07.440
those people, talking to them hey
establishes a conversation and through there, there

819
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:10.079
could be what needs they have and
with those needs I could get to offer

820
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:13.960
is some of the products that cover
them and with that I could generate certain

821
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.079
commissions. And it' s true
that when I had commissions, I'

822
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.079
d be reinvesting part of it in
traffic so I could speed that up.

823
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.960
But I would do that, I
would create the content. Maybe I'

824
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.920
d dedicate a little bit to driving
it to generate some likes and so on.

825
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.800
You have those first people you can
talk to and start how you would

826
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.239
create the content in audio video format
because I see you have a very cool

827
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.199
recording set. It' s simple, but with the little blue lights.

828
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.639
If you' re watching it,
this is audio formatting normally, but it

829
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.880
' s also on YouTube, then
you' ve created that to make content,

830
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.920
to create something that you have there
your microphone, the set. We

831
00:53:52.960 --> 00:54:00.000
do direct here, I record,
courses for my formations, for my formations.

832
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:06.159
Sometimes I meet up also doing podcasts
and stuff, but well, in

833
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.840
the end, beyond the aesthetics of
plus, it' s a comfortable place

834
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:13.199
where I get to do the camera, doing the spotlights and I' m

835
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:17.880
here and I can start recording.
I wouldn' t have to appear on

836
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.519
that content. If you start from
scratch. Yes, if I started doing

837
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.159
it, I would. I would
start talking about my reflections and so on,

838
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.519
but because it has already broken the
barrier of recording my own videos and

839
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.920
so on. But if I didn' t have that capacity either or didn

840
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.559
' t enjoy it, I'
d start by sharing videos that have to

841
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:35.880
do with other people' s issues. Today there are a thousand tools to

842
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.679
take a YouTube video, cut into
pieces and share and share, and today

843
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:44.239
by network algorithms such as Instagram,
tiktok and so on. It no longer

844
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:45.760
depends only on the followers you have. You can also reach people who are

845
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:52.079
not your followers And if you make
a video that really brings a concrete value

846
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.480
and can go viral, you can
reach large audiences and you can grow up

847
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.559
somehow and you can attract people you
could talk to later. Then, if

848
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.519
I didn' t want to,
I' d start recording videos. I

849
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.760
would talk about that topic, it
would generate conversation, but if I didn

850
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.840
' t want to do that,
I would take videos that are already there

851
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:09.360
and share fragments if they could be
from the producer I' m promoting.

852
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.760
Perfect, because so I make known
to the audience that person with whom then,

853
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.719
then, they will be familiar to
promote the product. But I wouldn

854
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.800
' t have to ride all this. Many of the videos, even some

855
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:27.320
of the chapters of my courses,
I record it in the office that I

856
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.639
have that doesn' t have all
this. That' s what you wouldn

857
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.320
' t need at home. Yes, I have all this in my house.

858
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.920
Yes, for a while your office, but I didn' t like

859
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.199
it and I manage well at home
and we have the recording studio here,

860
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.719
we have an office where we can
work if it' s very comfortable.

861
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.400
We have the beach up ahead with
sea views. We' ve designed it

862
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.960
in the end. We are in
the place that favors us to be at

863
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:59.119
ease working and when it comes to
promoting those products directly, you would put

864
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.199
an affiliate link in the description the
video, for example, or you would

865
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:07.639
send to an email list to give
you their email and so to be able

866
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:15.920
to impact several times depends on the
product, if it is not uniquely,

867
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:20.360
in parallel and create my own content, that is, creating my own list,

868
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:22.880
sending them to a Whatsapp group.
Maybe. It doesn' t have

869
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.320
to be a list. You don' t have to ride all the fuss

870
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.199
about having this one of subscribers.
It can be a group of whatp where

871
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.440
you' re putting it in and
you' re also sharing that content.

872
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:35.000
That' s where you' re
generating conversation and stuff. At first you

873
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.199
' re going to start small if
you don' t have money. If

874
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:38.400
I didn' t, I'
d start big. But you' re

875
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.440
gonna start small. So they'
re people you' re going to be

876
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.639
talking to like that having conversations about
that subject. Then you would take them

877
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.599
the places where I can then give
them that product or another, because in

878
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.039
the end it no longer depends on
promoting a product. If you take him

879
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.480
to your field, he has the
ability to promote several things. If you

880
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.000
send them directly to the producer no
longer, then if you wanted to build

881
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.480
my own list, there is my
own Whatsapp group, but it is a

882
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:07.920
rule that specific moments also test to
send the link directly to the producer if

883
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.239
they are on a launch, because
in the catchment phase I would send directly

884
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.679
to the producer unless I have made
a previous pick- up, which I

885
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.880
would recommend you make a previous pick- up and then you already send them

886
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:21.840
directly to the sale process. Then
it depends. But if you don'

887
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.400
t have much knowledge, you can
prove how to send the producer directly and

888
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.519
then you' re building everything else. And if you start doing that with

889
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.960
some knowledge, within what time frame
you can bill. Let' s say

890
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:39.199
fifty zero euros you see it feasible
in a year of zero without having any

891
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:44.280
investment without having money to get that. Or it really takes at least ten

892
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.159
thousand twenty zero euros in advertising in
a trafficker. If you want to reach

893
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.800
fifty zero euros, you see it
feasible, you can do it. You

894
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:59.400
can do it if you' re
very good at positioning in Google, but

895
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:00.920
that already requires a long process.
That' s not the point. Suddenly

896
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:06.239
start billing fast if you do it
without investing in advertising through social networks.

897
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:15.119
You need to either do something that
goes viral, get something that goes viral

898
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.920
so it gets a lot to the
audience. Or you need a slower process.

899
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.559
Unless promotions products that generate a lot
of Commission or you, you could

900
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:30.000
generate fifty zero euros if you sell
fifty products that generate a thousand euros of

901
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.159
commission and there may be then that
would already depend. Maybe you can have

902
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:37.719
an audience of two hundred people that
fifty I bought you a product that gives

903
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.719
you a thousand euros of commission.
It could be if you work with them

904
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:43.639
hand hu hand, if you go
accompanying them, if you do a little

905
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.679
bit, be that work of Clowser. It could be I would already recommend

906
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:51.880
products that have a larger commission to
allow you to grow faster. But it

907
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:55.559
is true that it would not be
feasible to reach fifty zero without investing part

908
00:58:55.639 --> 00:59:00.679
in advertising. If you' re
already investing in advertising, you can come

909
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.280
in, no doubt. If you
have the right knowledge, you can certainly

910
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.719
arrive. I have trusted students who
have billed fifty thousand hundred zero not with

911
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.079
trusted investing in traffic. Put that
one hundred zero. You keep seventy because

912
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.679
you' ve invested thirty percent or
thirty- five advertising is worth once you

913
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:16.639
know how to do it well,
that is, it' s very possible.

914
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:22.159
There are people who pay a lot
better, but if you don'

915
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:28.320
t invest in advertising, unless you
invest a high- cost product and create

916
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.000
that audience that there already would be
important to create your own personal brand,

917
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.679
that is, that people were following
you for who you are, for how

918
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:40.719
you communicate and so on. Yes
you could arrive, although it would be

919
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.960
losing potential the new boost a bit
with advertising and the and already for the

920
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.360
last question, topic of advertising.
Sure, you and you say come on,

921
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.039
I got 30 zero euros. I' m gonna invest them. But

922
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.440
one thing is to invest them and
another thing that is profitable, to choose

923
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:59.679
the public some advice so that you
don' t throw the money away with

924
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:00.960
advertising, that I think that happens
and more and more and more and is

925
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.440
more expensive. Just one and that' s where most of I have a

926
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.960
video that' s called the three
mistakes the fans make, they' ll

927
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:15.039
never see the results they want.
And it' s super simple. I

928
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.480
mean, I' m not going
to find out one thing, but I

929
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.559
make it very obvious, but that
hardly anyone knows how to do it is

930
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:24.679
a lot of people write to me
and Javi tells me I want to see

931
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:29.400
results. As an affiliate, I' ve been trying to invest money in

932
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:30.519
advertising and so on and I'
m losing a lot of money. And

933
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:31.920
I tell them what you' ve
done is worth it. I have not

934
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:35.599
done this, I have done this
promotion, I have done so I know

935
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:37.920
that it is worth how it has
formed you, because Look, I have

936
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:38.800
done nothing, or I have done
this formation. Whatever' s worth perfect

937
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.760
ok. You' ve invested this, you' ve lost this money.

938
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:47.320
Why didn' t it work out
for you, that is, what didn

939
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:52.280
' t work. So that wasn' t a positive return. I don

940
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:57.440
' t know, because if you
don' t know, that' s

941
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.960
the main mistake. Which makes you
able to see the results you want.

942
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.079
It' s when you do a
campaign, if it doesn' t give

943
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.480
you the results you want to know, why isn' t it giving you

944
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.440
those results and what action do you
have to run for to turn it around?

945
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:14.000
And if he' s giving you
the results, what do you want

946
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.599
to know, why is he giving
you those results? In order to replicate

947
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.079
it, people launch campaigns, do
things, but don' t really know

948
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:23.519
why something works and why something doesn' t work. That' s why

949
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.360
we don' t get too deep
into it. Let' s analyze,

950
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.920
throw anything. And now that the
numbers speak, the numbers speak to us

951
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:36.119
and tell us exactly what to change. And so it' s impossible that

952
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:40.960
I don' t see results,
because you have to improve at every moment,

953
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:45.119
that you have to change. Then
the advice you would give really learns

954
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.199
to read the results of your advertising
campaigns so that if I ask you why

955
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.280
something isn' t working out for
you, be super clear and know how

956
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.519
to respond and what is usually that
biggest mistake. It' s usually an

957
01:01:55.559 --> 01:02:00.400
audience problem that you' re not
reaching the right audience. Or there'

958
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:01.280
s a lot of them. That' s what we call the roy phase

959
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:06.079
and that' s how it'
s worth it. You' re already

960
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:08.079
generating sales, but you' re
not having the return I' d be

961
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.800
looking for. So, now let' s look for that return. Then.

962
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:15.719
That' s where we, very
quickly, seek the enemies, that

963
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:17.440
is, what is the enemy that
is preventing you from seeing that positive return,

964
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:21.440
that you seek, that you multiply
by two by three, or what

965
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.559
is then an enemy It may be
that few people put in my announcement.

966
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:29.079
I have little what they would call
ctr few people use in my ad.

967
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:34.159
Okay, why are we gonna get
more people put in my ad? Another

968
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.719
enemy It may be that many things
put in my ad, but then few

969
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:43.320
sign up inside the process is worth
why it is getting us written in there

970
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.159
later, for various reasons. Another
thing might be that you press a lot

971
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:49.039
of semi- ad. Many write, but then they don' t buy?

972
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.840
Why? Why don' t you
buy? What kind of audience are

973
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:54.599
you attracting so they don' t
buy? What kind of promises are you

974
01:02:54.599 --> 01:03:00.679
bringing in so they won' t
buy? Only with those little things you

975
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.440
can radically change the results by working
brutal brutally this you' ve revealed,

976
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:12.119
I think it can help a lot
of people improve their results and something you

977
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.679
' re going to do lately,
something you' re going to change,

978
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:16.320
a pitch, something you can tell
us about. Buff then, now look

979
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.440
I' ll tell you that this
week five new people have entered the team.

980
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:24.000
We' re expecting another three for
next week. I mean, we

981
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.599
' re in the whole process of
climbing the agency. We' re helping

982
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:34.079
big customers know how to give it
great results. The only one limited is

983
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.599
ourselves, because there are many companies
that are looking for us. We have

984
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.559
a chance to have many customers,
but we ourselves are the ones that limit

985
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:45.239
that growth. So we' re
working a lot on scaling up the Agency

986
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:50.239
and for that we' re working
a lot on getting a lot better what

987
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:55.280
we do within the Agency so that
the method that we implement and that works

988
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.000
takes a lot less time and running
it, so we can bring more customers

989
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.239
in parallel. So that' s
what we' re putting a lot of

990
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:04.559
focus on, and at the same
time I' m pushing a lot to

991
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.039
build professional affiliates to then strengthen.
It is a whole circle, not ultimately

992
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:10.000
professionals who have great products, who
are managing many the Agency so that they

993
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:15.559
can promote them. So we'
re doing a lot of cane on those

994
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:18.960
two lines and part of being optimized
to be able to scale the Agency has

995
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:23.679
to do with new projects, which
we' re going to get, with

996
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:29.920
tools, into the world of software
and so on to do things to measure,

997
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.039
so that people have tools that you
don' t see anywhere in the

998
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.480
face, like promoting a affiliated product. There' s some artificial intelligence I

999
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:42.480
use or day to day, always
in the Agency' s excess ochets it

1000
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.599
to make artificial intelligence and you'
re already using some tools for it.

1001
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.199
I understand that throwing out GPT,
but some automations or something so you'

1002
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:56.159
re doing. Yeah, we'
re with CHATGIPT for a thousand things to

1003
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.440
create content. We create a lot
of content for affiliates. We use it

1004
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:04.360
the way we believe it. With
that we are now creating tailor- made

1005
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:09.760
content for each of the affiliates,
that is, you, as an affiliate

1006
01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:14.360
of one of our products, can
have custom content for your audience and the

1007
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.400
four hundred affiliates can have it.
We' re working on that and we

1008
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:24.159
' re going to make it available
for this launch. And then there are

1009
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:28.920
many internal processes that also happen alone
with artificial intelligence, defining strategies for affiliates,

1010
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:32.079
for what they can implement, for
them to see results. We can

1011
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:36.079
automate all that, too. And
then there' s always a human contact.

1012
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:41.840
Membership is not without a relationship between
people but there are many. I

1013
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.159
mean, if a person on my
team needs an hour of meeting with an

1014
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.079
affiliate to define the perfect strategy for
their audience. Now you don' t

1015
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:54.800
need any more now and some tools
to recommend artificial intelligence. I always like

1016
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.800
going to the basics. I don' t go crazy with great tools.

1017
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:02.760
I think they use with a correct
use of CHAGPT you can do everything and

1018
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:08.039
then tools like Make, for example, the old integromat or a Zappier that

1019
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:15.679
I can automate in the connection between. Also as excel or wu sites irtabol

1020
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.679
we use all that for CRM themes, so in the end I used the

1021
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:28.480
automated GPT chat theme with systems like
Make, which allows you to execute actions

1022
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:32.880
alone. I have made in the
entrepreneurial club triumphs that is a telegram group

1023
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:39.519
every Monday and Thursday with make and
with integrated chajept. A summary of all

1024
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.920
the comments, with links, is
generated with the mention to the people.

1025
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.840
And it' s brutal, because
that' s what I did before manually

1026
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:48.760
and now automatically and much better than
I do, they check. Everything puts

1027
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:53.400
the summary with the points of each
and it' s brutal the time that

1028
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.320
is saved and the service and what
helps people, because now they don'

1029
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.760
t have to check every day,
but with them coming in on Monday on

1030
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.079
Thursday they check and if there'
s something that interests them and this is

1031
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:08.239
just an example, then artificial intelligence. I think it' s going to

1032
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:13.480
change everything and whoever stailo takes advantage
of is going to have results a lot

1033
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.679
faster than any other business. Okay. And now, to finish, Javier,

1034
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:21.199
where people can find more information about
all this, where they can find

1035
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:26.159
you, you, contact you,
hire you whatever it is, because my

1036
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:30.239
operations center, where I am most
of some way localizable, is instagram en.

1037
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Javier, lices can find me,
they can go on. I share

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a lot of reasoning content, with
maqueti of affliction, entrepreneurship and so on,

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and they can write me for private. If you want, I'

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ll see it for sure and also
in the do in Labio. I have

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there, because all the free classes, courses that can be done, services

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that you can offer from the agency
and so on. They' re gonna

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find everything there, but, well, they' re writing for private.

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Tell me what you thought. I
want to know what you took? Even

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putting up a stories or whatever,
mentioning us and seeing if you' ve

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01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.480
taken all this away. Shared Gospel
Javi. Thank you so much. I

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was just commenting that just stopped the
recording. I hope it' s recorded

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and there' s no problem here
with Skype. A strong hug and nothing

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we' re in touch with and
congratulations on everything you' re creating and

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everything you' ve contributed in this
amazing interview. A big hug. Thank

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you very much. A hug.

