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my friend? Anytime we talk about UFOs, it's going good. Writer,
And we just got a bombshell, dude, a freaking bombshell. We're
going to get into here in just a few minutes. But I really want
to get your thoughts on really quickly. Why is it that no one really
cares about the past or like the past events. Why is it always that
they go back to Roswell, which we know that Roswell wasn't made popular until
Bill Moore's book in nineteen eighty which was filled with missing disinformation from the government.
And then he gets in front of the mouf on UFO conference and tries
to tell everybody in nineteen eighty nine that all of its bullshit is all made
up nonsense, and they boo them off of the stage. But I've done
two episodes so far of my new show, Legends of Ufology, and I
really feel like I'm getting to the bottom of the entire subject, especially the
one that I did on Wednesday surrounding Paul Benowitz. And we've talked about is
Paul Beinewitt several times, so we don't really need to rehash that whole thing,
but they're not popular, Like people don't care about that stuff, like
they want the thing that's going on now. And my thoughts and my ideas
around it is like, well, if you want to know what's going on
now, you kind of have to go back to the beginning to try and
figure out where do these thoughts and ideas originally originate from. Were these people
credible? Was this miss and disinformation coming from the government? Who are these
people? What were they claiming? And you will figure out what's going on
now based off of the things that's happened in the past. So I just
want to get your thoughts really quickly on why do people not care so much
about the things that happened in the past, If it doesn't surround Roswell,
if it doesn't really surround the Washington Flap event, if it doesn't really surround
keg Like they don't want to know about these first contact these that I talked
about in my Kenneth Donald Legends of Ufology show about Samuel Eden Thompson in nineteen
fifty this wholid UFO in Washington State. He's considered the very first contact he
Ever, no one has ever heard of him. No one knows anything about
him because it wasn't published. His story wasn't published until two decades after his
initial sighting. But no one wants to hear about that. No one wants
to hear that. Kenneth Arnald never said that the UFOs were sorcerer in shape.
He said that the UFOs were They were batshaped, wing shaped, boomerang
shaped, and sometimes he referred to them as a pie pan. And he
was misquoted by saying that the way that the sorcerers flew was like sorcerers skimming
across water. Like you would think that these would be really important revelations for
people to really under stand in this community, but it just gets looked over
time and time again. Well, if you're concerned with objective research, objective
analysis, you don't get much of that in euphology, and you certainly don't
get much of that within the paradigm as we talked about last time, which
includes the way that all forms of media handled the subject. There's a paradigm
there euphology believers and media skeptics, and outside of that paradigm includes what you're
saying and what people like Carl Jung said, people like Jock Falla said,
and both of them never actually said that they had the answers. They just
said, these are different theories and UFOs might be psychic projections, or the
UFO abduction law is very similar to the fairy legends and fairy law, not
providing an absolute answer, which is what we find a lot in eupology,
people saying that their experiences are factual things, and maybe that's true, but
that doesn't confirm that the phenomenon is real by some pop culture, Hollywood esque,
et cetera definition, And that's part of the problem with eupology. It's
part of the problem with how the media handles upology. It's part of the
problem with these UFO hearings with David Grush, which we'll probably talk about that
during this show tonight, because we have articles from the same source that broke
the original A tip story The New York Times and others telling us that behind
closed doors, David Grush didn't really give them. They can't say exactly what
he gave them or didn't give them, but they didn't really He didn't really
give them anything that they already didn't know, despite all his big promises of
telling the government what he knows, and he basically they say, well,
we can't say what he said, but we already knew all this stuff.
So it's not a revelation, but it's a popular thing. It drives clicks,
it drives clout, it drives cash. This three cs of euthology as
I call them, and a lot of other fault like ideologies, and that's
what trends on social media, which also drives a lot of our interest in
these subjects. And although we might not look back to Roswell, necessarily Roswell,
which is important no matter if it was how exactly it was originally explained,
is what happened, or what the government said after the fact when they
change their story, or if it was all a psychological thing, whatever the
case is, it's still an important story. But it's not the base of
eufology. It goes back many many years, even before this first experience or
in the nineteen fifties, the UFO phenomenon goes back thousands of years. And
in the same way that most euthological researchers don't address the things that you just
brought up, writer, it's also not common, or it's almost non existent,
to address the fact that UFOs as a phenomenon and as we see them
as these disks relate to some of the oldest archetypical symbol that are in any
symbol book and a lot of mythology books. It's the flying solar disc of
raw or Ama Terasu. I think I brought that up before too. It's
the flying disc, the solar chariot in the sky, chariots of the gods.
Right, this is something that is psychological, this is something that is
paranormal. It's beyond the normal. It's something that's now political, and with
all of these different isms attached to it, and all of the different biases
and groups. People looking for power, people looking for clicks, people looking
for money, people looking for all those things, people sincerely looking for the
truth and being taken advantage of people looking for power and clicks and money.
All of that stuff adds up to create a very very confusing narrative for which
we do shows like this to hopefully provide an objective perspective and find a little
bit more of whatever the so called truth is that certainly exists. It's just
a matter of sifting through all of the nonsense. And there is a lot
of nonsense, but we can never forget writer. As we were talking about
on the phone the other day, at the core of this, there's still
a bizarre, abnormal, supernatural type thing that nobody can explain. I think
what has happened is the Jeremy Corbell, George Knab, Dave Grash have been
fooled as well. I think that's the logical conclusion that you can really come
to because a lot of times they seem like genuine people and they're not really
there to intentionally deceive the public, but unintentionally like they're being fooled by somebody
from behind the scenes as well. And I don't think that they realize to
how far of an extent that they're being fooled. And my show that I
did on Wednesday really just proves that entire story. I mean, we get
so many things from the Paul Benowitz story that is just cemented within UFR and
lore and mythology of the community. Alien implants came from Paul Benowitz. Cattle
mutilations came from Paul Benowitz. The whole idea in the thought process behind the
Delude space all came from Paul Benowitz. The idea that the government signed a
contract with extraterrestrials. Came from Paul Benowitz, and all of that was missing
disinformation from the NSSAY and Air Force special investigators and a lady that they brought
in to literally fool him into all this stuff. It basically the intelligence community
basically put him in contact with this lady that says that she had a sighting,
and then Paul Benowitz contacted this gentleman to come and do a regression on
her, and then she just starts making up all this nonsense and all this
and then Paul Benowitz takes a writes a senator in the government and saying that
he knows about all this stuff. And it's just snowballed from literally from Paul
Benowitz into all of the cracks and crevices of these other reporters like John Lear,
like Bill Cooper, Linda moulten Howe, and them not knowing that it's
missing disinformation, they're regurgitating it, and it's gotten so far up to the
food chain that we're still talking about the exact same things to this very day
that we were talking about in the seventies and in the eighties. I think
a lot of this problem is with journalists especially, is that And I'm not
talking about New York Times journalists necessarily, or ABC, NBC News or whatever.
I'm just talking about people that do journalistic type work. And we could
put Linda Moulton How into that mix. Don't hate Linda moulten How, but
I think she's a good example. She's been duped with that alien photo from
the video game. Remember that story. I played that video game. It's
from the video game Area fifty one. She was duped by it. I
don't think she did that intentionally. I just don't think that she understood that
she was being duped. I think she got taken for a ride. She
obviously refused, if you've seen the videos people asking her about that, refuse
to walk back the fact that she was duped. That makes me question a
lot of her other research. I've talked to Linda Moulton How. She's a
very nice lady. She's I think she's a very good researcher. But you
know, everybody who's a good researcher falls victim to dis or miss info,
or they misinterpret something or misreport something that's just totally normal and totally natural.
What separates a good reporter from a bad reporter, as a reporter who says
I got taken for a ride, I got duped. Let's correct this story.
So I think this is part of that's part of the problem in eufology.
Another thing is, and I've noticed this over the years when I've attended
UFO conferences or maybe I've interviewed people on my show The Secret Teachings, is
that what happens when people tell similar stories, regardless of how they came up
with them. They could have really thought that they experienced something they might have.
It could have been related to DMT, it could have been related to
mushrooms. It could have been related to something that they hallucinated because they wanted
to believe it so much. Or they could have misinterpreted something that happened like,
well, there's lights in the sky and you got drunk and you passed
out, and what would the aliens abducted you. Anything could be misconstrued or
it could be interpreted as those kinds of a narrative you got abducted by aliens
or whatever the case is. Which is an old, old thing that relates
to the mar as in the nightmar that would sit on your chests sleep paralysis,
the demon of sleep paralysis, the incubus, the succubus, the aliens
having sex with us and taking the sperm and taking the eggs and having babies,
and that's all part of the fairy lore too. So these things are
within the human psyche. They're within are collective unconscious. Even if a lot
of these things that you're talking about, the abductions and the cattle mutilation and
the implants, are part of the Paul Benewitz story, they're still in the
collective unconscious because this is how shamans experience. They go to the other world,
they had implants put in them, they were crucified like Christ. All
these stories, even theologically speaking, they all have a relationship with one another.
So when people start telling these stories and they hear other people tell these
stories, they tell their own stories and you get a bunch of people together.
Conference is a great example because it's a very isolated thing. It's not
the Internet, it's not you know, a documentary that streams everywhere. It's
an isolated event, and people start telling the same story. They might actually
believe it. They're not in tending to lie to somebody or manipulate somebody for
money, just average people that pay lots of money to go to a conference
and they sit around and tell the same stories, and it confirms their story
because other people are like, well, yeah, yeah, I experienced that
too, and you get into those conversations. There's no intent to mislead or
disinform somebody, and the belief system grows and grows and grows, because when
you're in those situations, or when you're in online communities and talking to people,
or you just listen to one form of let's say radio or YouTube videos
and it confirms your bias. You're hearing people say what you already believe,
and that's snowballs, and that confirms what you are. And this is the
same thing with a lot of the UFO people that report. Journalists Jeremy Corbell,
Linda Moltenhowe don't personally have an issue with them. I'm saying that I
think these people hear those stories, they repeat them, and then the narrative
just continues on. And it's not necessary that people are trying to deceive one
another. It's just that we all have confirmation bias about the subject in the
same way that skeptics have confirmation bias they're so certain that there's no such thing
as the phenomena itself. They'll deny physical evidence when you have videos and pictures
of things that maybe people say that's a UFOs and alien ship obviously not the
case necessarily, but when skeptics look at that, they're like, there's nothing
there. So it's the same kind of it's within that paradigm, and it's
the same kind of rejection of reality where the people that believe won't accept facts
to the contrary, and the people that disbelieve won't accept facts to the contrary,
talking about the same phenomena, and we will not acknowledge that maybe both
sides are right and wrong, and maybe a lot of what we believe,
whether we're believers or skeptics, because skepticism is a belief in occult like ideology,
we just believe it because we're within our e within our own echo chambers
of what we want to believe, what we think is true based on what
we want to believe, and we just talk to only people that think the
same thing. We don't want to talk to anybody else or hear anything different.
That's my assessment based on what you're saying. Well, from my position.
I don't even think that it matters who came up with something first.
Regardless if it was Paul Benowitz that people got this information from, or if
it was regurgitated from something much older, it doesn't really matter because it matters
who popularized it. It matters who got it out to most people. And
Paul Benewitz wasn't even the person that got the alien implant story out to most
people. That was John Mack. That was Willie Streeber that came after his
story, So he wasn't even the person that popularized it. He just had
those thoughts and those ideas implanted into his head through missing disinformation or regardless if
it came, you know, years or decades before, no one talked about
it, so it wasn't a popular thing to discuss. It's like these these
cults, like the UFO cls that I did a huge study on before.
You know, the first UFO cult in the United States was the cult of
I AM in the thirties the early thirties, and they took something that had
previously already been done, but popularized it for a massive amount of people.
They just ripped off Elena Bravlovski, Edgar Casey and a lot of the occult
researchers and occult teachers of that time period that they could get their hands on
and read their books, and then they shaped and molded those thoughts and ideas
of those previous people that had written those books, and molded and created their
own ideology for their cult. So they popularized those already established belief systems.
If I may, I, I'm not in my explanation, I'm not suggesting
in retrospect now based on what you're saying, that that's wrong. All I'm
trying to suggest is, with my wording here, if I choose it carefully,
is that these things are already part of the collective unconscious. So like
just with the sun disc, like it doesn't matter where you live in the
world, even if you live in the Arctic, you know what the sun
is. It's a universal thing, flying sauce or the flying disc. So
when things become popularized, you're totally right, that's a very important thing.
But they become hyper hyper popularized because it's already something that we collectively understand and
know, and it's something we can draw on from the past and from stories
and myths. That's all that I'm suggesting, but go ahead, please,
No, I understand. I one hundred percent get that it's something that resonates
with people because it's already been there before. Precisely when people hear it,
they're like, oh, oh, that sounds familiar, but I can't really
place it, so it must be true, which is how predictive programming works
too. Yeah, they got the tractor beams on me right now. They're
hovering above my house. Me too. You see that light behind me on
this picture. That's a ufhobe trying to beat me up. That is a
Sunday of raw and he's trying to get you into the seventh dimension. Take
take my sperm. So we have an amazing article that was just written the
other day, and I'm gonna share it here really quick because this is really
important and a lot of things that this gentleman says Sean Kirkpatrick. I know
I've said in the past, I know that you have said in the past.
I know a few other people within the community have also said. So
it's really interesting getting this high profile of a person almost echoing the exact same
things that me, you and others have been singing about. The phenomenon for
a really long time. Now name of the article. It came on January
nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Here's what I learned as a US government UFO
hunter, which he's not really a hunter, right. A forthcoming investigational report
from the Office of the Pentagon has found no evidence of aliens, only allegations
circulated repeatedly by UFO cleaned advocates, right, which is what I've been seeing
for a really long time. So this is Sean Kirkpatrick. He was the
director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office at the Department of Defense. He
gives a presentation at the public meeting of NASA's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon UAP Independent Study
Team on May thirty four three. So I'm gonna skip over this, Karl
Well, I might as well just read the Segan Carl Sagan popularize theim maximum
that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This advice should not be optional for policy
makers in today's world of misinformation, conspiracy driven decision making in sensational domain governance,
our capacity for rational evidence based on critical thinking is eroding. Wow.
What a statement with delirious consequences for the ability to effectively deal with multiplying challenges
of ever increasing complexity. As a director of the Department of Defense All Domain
Anomaly Resolution Office ERROW, charged by Congress in twenty twenty two to help bring
science based clarity and resolution to the long standing mystery surrounding credible observation and of
unidentified anomalist phenomenon UAP, also known as UFOs. I experienced this erosion up
close and personal, and it was a factor in my decision to step down
from my position last December. After painstakingly assembling a team of highly talented and
motivated personnel and working with them to develop a rational, systematic, and science
based strategy to investigate these phenomena, our efforts were ultimately overwhelmed by sensational but
unsupported claims that ignored contradictory evidence yet captured the attention of policymakers and the public,
driving legislative battles and dominating the public narrative. This is scientific American correct
this particular article, and I also have a copy of it here from well
the same publication, but it was published elsewhere. I just think we should
be clear before you give any more commentary, at least from me, and
I think you'd agree with me. Writer. I think a lot of listeners
would agree too, that I don't necessarily trust the New York Times, Scientific
American, etc. But I don't necessarily trust the alternative media, which will
promote contrary claims to what's being said here. To me, when I'm looking
at an article, whether it's from quote unquote alternative media or it's from Scientific
American or from whatever, I'm seeing what seems more rational and more logical.
And this article certainly confirms what you've said. The governments never said that they
have aliens, never said that they have officially UFOs. They just acknowledge that
there's some phenomenon and they're not exactly sure what it is. And this article
also, although it might itself be full of this info, this article is
a very i think, a series of very obvious statements from what I've read,
that shows that what we think we have here with all this disclosure is
nothing more than at least in my opinion, I would call it nothing more
than pr and a waste of money. It's not disclosure, it's another d
It's a diversionary tactic, probably away from something that actually matters. What that
is, I don't know, that's just a general statement. And I think
we can bolster that by this other New York Times article I have. I
don't know if you can even see it with the way my camera is set
up, but you make it, make you beggar. Take this off for
the moment. We'll come back to them. But yes, I don't think
you can see it because it's white. It's kind but the way they have
my background. But it says UFOs remain a mystery to lawmakers after classified briefing,
and it just it's all about the David Grush closed door briefing, And
it says Thomas Monheim, the Inspector General the Intelligence Community, was supposed to
help members of the House Oversight Committee understand if there was any credibility to the
bombshell claims made by David Grush. But what was actually is not very clear.
They can't tell you really what was said. But in essence, it's
nothing then, nothing new. It's nothing then we already had heard. So
this article by Sean Kirkpatrick is kind of confirming what you've been saying. This
article from the New York Times about the classified briefings behind the declassified information supposedly
declassified that Grush is giving in classified testimony behind closed doors is confirming what I've
been saying. And it's not that we trust the Scientific American or New York
Times. It's just this is logical. The government does not acknowledge that they
have aliens or alien spaceships, and what David Grush has said is nothing more
than what we already knew. So I just wanted the preface before we go
further with that statement. Do you agree with me or disagree? I agree
with you one hundred percent. And this is just a confirmation because doctor Sean
Kirkpatrick is a well respected scientist. He was the head of Air. He
was in charge of investigating these wild and outlandish claims made by these certain individuals.
And we're gonna keep reading here because it gets into that. So the
result of this whirlwind of fairy tales, this is coming from doctor Sean Kirpatrick.
He's giving this interview right fabrication and second hand or third hand retellings of
the scene was a social media frenzy and a significant amount of congressional and executive
time and energy spent on investigating these so called claims. As if we didn't
have anything better to do. Now. This is something that I have called
out from the very beginning whenever David Grush gone up there for in front of
Congress and started talking about all of the these fantastical claims and all these fantastical
stories that he Fuck, dude, I'm I'm my throat is seriously just what
happened to me that that Miami Mall Alien show we did. I had that
coffee fit. Yeah, I was fine all morning until we got on the
show. That's what I said about David Gresh from the very beginning, whenever
he came up and got in front of Congress. I mean, he says
it himself in the congressional testimony that he doesn't have any first hand knowledge.
All this stuff is stories that he's been told. And Sean ker Patrick is
telling you right now that this is a whirlwind of fairy tales. It's fabrications.
It's from a second hand source to a third hand source to a fourth
hand source and call it thrift shopping. Yeah, And it's like that SpongeBob
thing that you we played on your show and a once new a guy,
the new guy, the new guy, the new guy, the new guy,
the new guy, a new guy, and cousin. Okay, So
the conspiracy story goes something like this, and this comes from this is like
a very well known story that has been regurgitated for decades now. The US
has been hiding and attempting to reverse engineer as many as twelve UAPs slash UFOs
from as early as in the nineteen sixties and perhaps earlier. This great cover
up and conspiracy failed to prove any saling results, and consequently the effort was
abandoned to private sector defense contractors to continue the work. Sometime later, the
story continues, those private sector contractors wanted to bring the whole program back under
the United States government. Apparently the CIA stopped this supposed transfer back to the
US. All this was without sustaining substantiating evidence, but alas belief in the
statement is directly proportional to the volume in which it has transmitted, in the
number of times it is repeated, not the actual facts. So this is
the story that Dave Grush gets up there and tells Congress. He gets up
there and he's like, listen, the government has these craft that they can't
they couldn't figure out how it worked. They couldn't do which is a complete
and utter lie. They have figured out how it's worked. Now if they
can actually put somebody inside of that craft, who knows, I think,
because we're going to get into a clip from doctor Sean Kpatrick where he's talking
about that this stuff is just drones, it's not manned craft. Now,
they might not have figured out how to put a man inside of the craft
yet, but they've done when he figured out the technology. I mean,
they were working on these experimental technologies back in nineteen seventy nine. When Paul
Beininwitz was seeing the craft at the Air Force space at Kirkland Air Force Space,
he was seeing classified government advanced technology programs. So we know that they
have them, and this is an excuse to put it onto these private contractors.
Now, I'm not saying that maybe some of this didn't go through private
contractors. It might have, and then they developed it so that the government
wouldn't have to take responsibility of it. But so, during a full scale,
year long investigation of the story which has been told and retold by a
small group of people, interconnected believers and others with possibly less than honest intention,
none of whom have first hand accounts of any of this aero discovered a
few things and none were about aliens. That is a incredible statement that Sean
ka Patrick just made there. Right, the story has been told and retold
by a small group of interconnected believers that is so accurate, go ahead,
and then regurgitated and then told to other people, and then other people believe
it. And none of them know any of this stuff firsthand. It goes
back to stories. It's just stories, made up stories. How does the
euthhological community deal with this is by saying it's all a cover up. It's
a lie. They're hiding it. Yep, just like they've been saying for
decades now. So first, no records exist of any president or living DoD
or intelligence community leader knowing about this alleged program, nor any congressional committee having
such knowledge. This should be fuck dude, this is whack. This should
speak volumes. If this case, we're following a typical procedure, because it
is inconceivable that a program of such import would not ever have been briefed to
the fifty or one hundred people at the top of the USG over the decades
of its existence. That's a really good point, and I think maybe the
only way that people weren't briefed again is if it was sent to private contractors
like Raytheon bigge Lower Aerospace subcontractors for the government like that. That's the only
way that if anything like this actually exists space Sean ka Patrick is saying that
he has seen no evidence for second. This narrative has been simmering for years
and is largely an overgrowth of a former program where the DoD's Defense Intelligence Agency
called Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program a TIP, which was heavily influenced by a
group of individuals associated with businessmen a long time ufologist Robert Bigelow, founder of
Bigelow Aerospace. In two thousand and nine, then Senator Harry Reid asked the
Secretary of Defense to set up a SAP Special Access Program to protect the alleged
UFO and UAP material at the ATIP. Proponents believe that the USG was hiding
the uh SECT. DEAF declined to do so. After the review of the
office by the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, the DIA concluded that not only
did no such material exist, but tax payer money was being inappropriately spent on
paranormal research. A skinwalker ranch in Utah. This is well documented in open
sources, particularly in the records available the DIA's electronic FOIA reading room. After
the negative response by SECTA, Senator read In enlisted the help of Senator Joseph
Lieberman to request that the Department of Homeland Security DHS set up a SAP for
the same purposes. The administrative SAP proposable package was informed by the same individuals
who were associated with a tip. Aerrow's archival research has located the administrative proposal
for DHS SAP, complete with participants, which has been declassified and is being
reviewed for public release. So it's basically, these same people are just being
tossed around all of these programs, and they're just saying the same thing over
and over again, in the same way that the euphological community has been saying
the same thing over and over again, Which doesn't in ness necessarily mean that
it's not true. It's just the same story, the same narrative, the
same motifs, over and over and over and over again, to the point
where if I were to say, and I think this goes back to what
I was referring to earlier when I was trying to make a point, long
winded point is that if I come forward, you know, if you didn't
know who I was, right, and I came forward and said, hey,
I have this abduction story, and you say, oh, this great.
You can come to my show and talk about it, or go on
whatever show and talk about it, and I tell you I was abducted.
I had missing time. They put an implant in me. They showed me
a star map, a beautiful Nordic woman who wanted to have sex with me.
If I just went down, I could I know the narrative so I
could go down the list. And simply because I'm checking off all the boxes
the implant, the abduction, the sex, the whatever with the aliens,
star map, missing time, most people would believe it because it confirms the
stories that they've already heard a thousand times. So it looks like within the
government circles where they're taking this kind of seriously, it's the same group of
people that are telling the same narratives in the same way. Within eufology,
it's the same group of people that are telling the same narratives, and we're
not getting anywhere exactly. And this next section confirms that. So finally,
the key proprietors of this narrative have known one another for decades. In the
early two thousand and several members of this small group also participated in this study
erroneously characterized by the same participants as having been sponsored by the White House on
the possible societal impact of disclosing the existence of extraterrestrials to the public, which
sounds a lot like the Brookings Institute document that came out some years ago.
I think there was in the sixties or something like that, or seventies or
I don't have to look it up, but talked about the societal impact of
revealing the existence of extraterrestrials and how everything would collapse and that religion would collapse
and there would be anarchy in the streets and everyone would be pissed off.
But if extraterrestrials exist and the government were to disclose it, I really don't
think anyone would care because it's been circulated within the community for such a long
time and people already believe it. So what would that actually do. It
wouldn't do anything in the way that the news cycles work. There's just going
to be something else the next day that it's not even going to matter,
Like we could literally do a press conference right now at the White House mumbling
Joe Biden can get up there and tell the the United States that extraterrestrials are
real and no one would care. Dude, Well this is I've not thought
much about that, but that's kind of I think that's a good point.
It's kind of a good starting point for a whole other show. It's kind
of like these. I mean, I have so many fileboxes. Writer.
I've done this for fourteen years and I've done it professionally for about eight and
I collect files and shows I do so if I talk about something, I
usually have a file on it. I mean government documents, news articles,
whatever, scientific studies, medical studies, et cetera. And I go back,
Like when I moved recently, I go back and I was looking through
all these papers, may to me hours out which make a whole day to
look through all these papers and throwing out some things I'd think I didn't want,
and I found some duplicates. I'm sharing this with you because when I
was going through that, I found crazy stories about things that were just and
still are profound, like things that should still be on the front page of
newspapers right now, and they were from like six, seven, eight,
nine, ten, eleven, twelve years ago. I'll give you an example.
There was a story that just came out from the University of Cambridge.
It's gotten virtually no media attention. A couple of science websites published it and
is an official acknowledgment and confirmation University of Cambridge and the max Plaq Institute pretty
prestigious, and they're saying that the interaction of water and air is something that
they're still learning about. And they said that they found a new state of
water, which is interesting because there are actually books written about other stages of
water. I think it's called the Fourth Stage of Waters, a popular book
on that subject. Well, now scientists are admitting that, and in the
article and in the study, they're saying this literally changes not only the environmental
chemical models that we have, which are all computer simulations, this changes every
textbook because now we know water comes in other forms, and they're talking about
ions and they're talking about sea water. You go and read this thing for
yourself. Some of you were probably more scientifically inclined in minded than I am,
but it shows you that's a profound discovery. It changes how we look
at elements like water. It's the same thing with with any other big story
where we discover something. There was a girl I I can't remember how many
years ago. This was a girl that was on a hiking trip or something
in Canada. She's a scientist and she bent down, took a soil sample,
found a whole new They classified it as a whole new kingdom of species.
It wasn't plant, animal back to It was something totally new. And
that article just into the into the Winston trash heap of history. Nobody knows
that. No one's going to remember this water story. But my point is
on point with what you're saying, is you're tomorrow aliens are real. A
couple of weeks, a couple movies, a couple documentaries, and then everybody
knows that and it goes away. In this case, because we already think
we know that, it probably wouldn't get much news attention. I mean you
could, you could publish that in the biggest newspapers and magazines. Might last
a couple of weeks, it'll be gone. You know. It's the same
with the faking of the moon landing. If the government was to come out
and say, oh, yeah, we did we did fake that moon landing.
It was Stanley Kubrick that did it, no one would care. I'm
not saying that that's the case. I'm not saying that we that we didn't
go to the Moon or anything like that. I'm just saying that if it
were to come out that we didn't really go, because people already have that
in their heads that that's true, it would not matter and no one would
care. Better. So with the uh, this gets really good here this
next paragraph, it's unbelievable and it's like verbeating what I've been seeing, what
you've been seeing and others have been seeing. So with the authenticity of the
above mentioned sealed government program taken at its baseline assumption, the think Tanking question
was a futures enterprise that often worked on fringe studies, and many of the
individuals involved with the study also worked for BIGE Low Aerospace and support of the
aid TIP program. ARROW thoroughly investigated these claims as a part of its congressionally
mandated mission to not only technically evaluate contemporary UAP observations, but also review historical
accounts going back to the forties. This is Sean ka Patrick, saying this.
One of my last acts before retiring was to sign Arrow's Historical Record Report,
Volume one, which is currently being prepared for delivery to Congress and the
public. The report demonstrates that many of the circulating allegations described above derive from
inadvertent or unauthorized disclosures of legitimate US programs or related R and D that have
nothing to do with extraterrestrial issues or technology. Freaking drop the mic on that
one, bro boom. It's interesting that this is precisely what many UFO researchers
or commentators have been saying, that this is what it is. And yet
at the same time, I know I can speak for you in this case
because you told me this. That doesn't mean that there isn't a UFO phenomenon
that goes back before these programs and has no relationship to these programs at all.
But there's still something there, and it's a combination of so many different
things. I think people hear this like I'm putting myself into the place of
a skeptic or a believer, and I hear what you're saying, and I
read the article. I have a copy of it here, and I think,
oh, well, they're just being They're just being coy, they're just
being sly, they're just denying the truth. They just don't want disclosure.
They're the reason we don't have disclosure, all that same standard nonsense. But
then, how do we come to the same conclusion before this overcame out?
How did I come to this conclusion? How did others within the community also
come to the same conclusion that it's not aliens, That it's our advanced programs
with advanced aerial technology. Right, if it's If it's not that, then
how did we all come to the same conclusion that it is. And furthermore,
that doesn't mean that there again, isn't That doesn't mean that you didn't
see a UFO when you were out, you know, in some field in
the middle of the night, somewhere by yourself, five years ago. It
doesn't Matt, It doesn't mean that that's aliens. But I think a lot
of people hear this like, well, you're saying UFOs aren't realders. I
didn't see anything in the sky. Of course you did. That's not the
issue. This is all based on fallacy. I think, writer, just
because you saw something doesn't mean that it's a government craft, an alien craft
or superman. It just means you saw something that's it, and that's completely
unrelated to all this UFO stuff in Congress, completely unrelated as far as I'm
concerned anyway. So it goes on and says some are misrepresentations, some derive
from pure unsupported beliefs, of Whichine is a big factor in the community.
In many respects. The narrative is a textbook example of circular reporting, with
each person relaying what they heard, but the information often ultimately being sourced to
the same small group of individuals. That is exactly what well we've said,
but we've been dealing with for a very very long time. It's a small
group of people within and without eufology that pushed these narratives. And the government
has a history, officially a history of sending small groups of people into the
UFO community to gather data, collect intel, and spread this info. And
they throw you off track anytime anyone questions the well do you think that this
is a advanced military craft, like Sean ka Patrick, what was the head
of arrow saying? You know, like they they're like, oh, well,
the government didn't, no way that they have any of this kind of
technology. But it's it's decades and light years ahead of of anything that is
known to the to the military. Bullshit, bullshit, That is the biggest
misdirection and counter argument fairytale of all time. Sean ka Patrick is saying,
that's literally what all of it was and all of it is since the forties.
So the Operational Mission Congress had a science arrow is important. Accumulating observations
by highly trained US military and other credible personnel of unidentified and omallest phenomenon at
or near sensitive national security areas of activities call for a serious effort to understand
what's going on. Simply put, unidentified is unacceptable, particularly in the turn
times of heightened geopolitical tension. Part of the problem we face the day,
however, is a modern cycle. Media cycle drives stories faster than sound research.
Wow, what an important statement that he just mean science and pure review
timelines can validate them. More worrisome is that the willingness of some to make
the judgments and take actions on these stories without having seen or even requested supporting
evidence and a mission That is all more problematic when the claims are so extraordinary.
Dude, he is knocking this out of the park. Dude. This
sounds like you wrote it or I wrote it. It does, dude.
This is something that I would like if I were the professionally write something down
and take my time with it. This is something that I would probably write.
Some members of Congress prefer dang, dude, my throat, bro is
just like you're dying all freaking scratchy. Dude. They're hitting us with some
deep directed energy weapons when we do these shows. Because that happened to my
throat last one of the last shows we did. So Congress prefer to op
in about aliens to the press rather than to get evidence based briefing on the
matter. Members have a responsibility to exhibit critical thinking skills instead of seeking the
spotlight. Another incredible statement there. As of the time of my depart archer,
none, let me repeat, none of the conspiracy minded whistleblowers in the
public eye had elected to come to Arrow to provide their evidence and statement for
the record, despite numerous invitations. Why did David Grush, this supposed government
whistle blower that has all this information not go to Arrow, not go to
doctor Sharon kerk Patrick to give him his statement that just is mind blowing to
me. And then none of them, none of them did. And then
on top of that, as he said during the hearing multiple times, he's
going to tell you this in private. He's like the Jensaki of UFO whistleblowers,
because he's saying, I'll circle back to you, I'll circle back to
you, I'll circle back to He'll circle back to you. And then when
he finally circles back around, we hear from Thomas Monheim, the Inspector General
of the Intelligence Community, nothing new is said. The same thing was said.
And then people are gonna they're gonna look at these stories and say,
well, it's not exactly clear what was said because it's confidential, so maybe
he did actually say something really important. They're just pulling at threads and the
whole thing is unraveling. The UFO community is its own worst enemy. Anyone
that would rather be sensationalists in the public eye than bring their evidence to one
organization established in law, with all of the legal process and security framework established
to protect them their privacy and the information and to investigate and report out findings,
is suspect. They've made a spectacle of this. This is an insult
to legitimate as far as I'm concerned, euphological research. And while they hold
David Grush and these people up to be these upstanding whistleblowers and citizens, and
he might be a great guy you could have a drink with, who knows.
It doesn't mean that what is being said is true. It doesn't mean
that what he's saying is a lie. He might actually believe it. He
might have been showing things, or showing documents or something and really convinced of
the of the narrative. We don't know any of that. What we do
know is this, And I think I said this on my show The Secret
Teachings when David Grush first came out, and I remember I think Clyde and
I had talked about this on ground zero as on top of that, that
this is going to destroy ufology. This is going to destroy the little bit
of credibility that it's taking seventy plus years to acquire. Because when it come,
when this comes out, which it is, here's the papers, as
you read it, it starts coming out that this is all that it is,
no one's going to ever trust a eufologist again, if that's even the
proper term No one's ever going to trust someone talking about UFOs again, because
it's all going to be it's just totally made up. It's all news cycle,
it's all just what Yeah, shan Ka Patrick's right, it's nonsense.
This is going to destroy ufology. The Corey Good David Wilcock nonsense. Those
guys should be giving all the money back and giving their houses up to the
people that were ripped off, and all the other scumbags that worked with them,
all of them, every one of them. Nobody gets a pass.
All those scumbags that sold those bullshit fake stories, all of them. Give
the money back. All those people, Some of them need to be in
jail as far as I'm concerned. That's for courts to decide though. But
those people, and this David Grush guy and all the people that circle around
him like flies on you know what, all these people are responsible for the
downfall of the legitimacy of what has been obtained in the UFO community. Well,
the only reason Ryan that you wouldn't go to Errow and give your testimony
to doctor Sean Kirkpatrick is if you're making shut up or if you don't have
of it supporting evidence exactly. That's the only reason that you wouldn't do it,
So you go make a spectacle before Congress. Exactly, That's exactly what
happened. And I'm going to finish yourself. We only got one paragraph left.
Hopefully I can make it through it. I can assure you, as
its former director, that ARROW is unwaiverlely committed to harnessing science and technology to
bring an unprecedented clarity to these fascinating, important and stubborn mysteries, and to
do so with maximum transparency. Its talented staff and team of supported scientists are
at this very moment striving in collaboration with armed forces, intelligence community, government
agency, national laboratory, scientific community, academic community, and soon the general
republic, to collect analysis, hard, measurable data, extraordinary evidence in this
here four eyewitness rich by data poor field. The ARROW team will go wherever
the data takes it without fail and will not be swayed by the attempts to
influence his findings. Otherwise, science cannot be left on the side of the
road in a mad dash to uncover some great conspiracy. Carl Sagan would expect
no laws, and neither should the American people. Let me add to that
as a as an appendix. New York Times. This was over a week
and a half ago. This is what I was talking about with Thomas Monheim,
these behind the doors classified things that Grush told lawmakers. It says some
lawmakers saw tantalizing hints in mister Monheim's presentation that there might have been something to
mister Grush's claims end quote. While the rules of a classified briefing barred them
from actually repeating what they had heard, they suggested suggested the Inspector General had
found some of the claims credible, which ones no one would say. So
let's get that straight. When you read articles and you read stories like this,
might have been something and suggested and found some claims credible just because those
claims are credible, and we don't know which claims they were. It could
have been the claim that he said, there's a sophisticated this info campaign.
That could have been the claim because he did say that, because that's very
very true. That's accurate. But some claims credible. That's what people latch
onto right there. I guarantee you that's that's the line right there. They
did find some claims credible. Okay, But does that mean that they're true.
You can find all kinds of things credible people thought David Wilcock was credible.
That doesn't mean that they're true. So anyway, that's that's my addition
to what you're saying. Absolutely, and anybody that wants to read that article,
I'll leave the link to the article in the description. It is.
Uh. It's kind of like that that humdinger that I have personally been looking
for and I know others have also been looking for as well, and coming
from a very reputable scientist that was head of the government's aero program to investigate
UFOs and UAPs, And really quickly before we wrap up, I have a
clip from a doctor Sean Kapatrick talking about what some of these UFOs are unidentified
f line objects UAPs actually are number of people pilots who you know, have
said, Hey, I saw this giant sphere. It had a cube in
it. I don't understand it. It must be an alien. Well,
actually know the next generation of drones that are being built are spherical drones,
and one of them is they've taken about a two meter size inflatable and put
a cube inside of it and everywhere the corner of the cube touches the sphere.
They fused it, cut it out, and put little thrusters in.
With eight thrusters in a cube configuration, I can maneuver this drone around very
accurately. And they've tried these all over the place. There you go,
s drones. Many of the modern day sightings probably are drones. And the
more and more drones we use in the more and more market, like the
ones that are on the market for the average person to buy, the more
and more pieces of evidence that people are going to have of UFOs. Again,
that's different than all the old sightings. That's different than things way before
there were planes, and that's different than you know, whatever those things were.
Those those things are different than aliens. It's all just a matter of
definition. It's a big old circle circular logic with how we argue and debate
these things. The bottom line is that that was a really good article that
you read, and I think the bottom line is to keep an open mind
and if you want there to be any credibility left within the UFO field or
whatever you want to call it, stop believing everything you hear and everything you
see. Yeah, and watch my videos on going back to all these freaking
old people and all their made up bullshit nonsense, I might get us further
than listening to these wack tards. All right, Ryan, thanks so much
for coming on speaking with you. Well, I really appreciate your time.
Can you let people know where to find you? Yeah, you're welcome,
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I'm sorry guys for my uh my cough. The twelfth dimensional reptilians. HOI
you buy the throat? Those are a bitch. They were choking me out,
so I could those are them all reptilians right, because that's those are
the ones that got me last time. Yeah, I'm gonna remote view it
later to figure out exactly who it was. And uh, I'll let you
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We should, we should, we should do a remote view show because
that is a crazy, crazy story about a whacked out woman remote viewing,
dude, can't remove you something that you already know the target for? Well?
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