1 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,079 What is up, fellow Thermo nuclear a efforts, I am damn Valley coming 2 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,559 at you with some more NBA talk before we cannon ball in here, though, 3 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,679 please the usual reminder. Continue subscribing to us wherever you consume us. 4 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:31,960 If that's on YouTube and you're watching, hit that sub button also common and 5 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:34,719 like help the algorithm love us back. If you'll listening to us on a 6 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:38,640 podcast player, Google, Spotify, Apple, whatever, please hit the permit 7 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:42,560 subscribe button. If you have not in downloaded every episode, cross subscribe to 8 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:45,640 head over, subscribe to YouTube channel. 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We haven't the trouble with 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,760 covering the entire league get large when it's not. It is my full time 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,319 job, but the podcast is not because I don't know how struggling to go 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,439 through every team as much as possible. I don't think I'll necessarily make these 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,400 newsers. I think it's the guys that Dunke Dunk called them very sort of 22 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:34,159 like too consistent. But there's some stuff that's built up that I think is 23 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:36,959 noteworthy. So if there's ever just a bunch of news and rumors nuggets, 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,840 maybe I'll hop on to do that. We will begin with I think two 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,400 tough topics that are going to be difficult to discuss. The first of which 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,200 is Josh Primo from the San Antonio Spurs. They waved him on Friday night 27 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:53,599 and he cleared waivers as of Monday, which was Halloween. Attorney Tony Buzby 28 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,439 told ESPN on Saturday that he had been retained by a woman who worked for 29 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,079 the Spurs and says Primo exposed yourself him self to her. Buzzby and the 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,319 woman who the name has come out, I believe, but I'm not throwing 31 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:08,000 it out there. But Buzzby and the woman are set to have a news 32 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,479 conference on Thursday morning, where they're expected to address the allegations. Fredday was 33 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:17,560 not familiar with Tony Buzzby. ESPN noted that he represented multiple women in the 34 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:25,639 sexual missconduct lawsuits against the Cleveland Browns and DeShawn Watson. This topic is all 35 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:30,159 sorts of tough, and you knew something was wrong the moment that he was 36 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:34,599 released. Primo had his third year option picked up and then was waved shortly 37 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,120 thereafter. That just doesn't happen, especially where someone who has drafted it number 38 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:44,039 twelve and still considered a tantalizing prospect for the organization. It has come out 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,280 that the allegations are that he exposed himself to the multiple woman, that this 40 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:51,879 doesn't seem like it's a one off instance. He did release a statement to 41 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,599 ESPN on Friday as soon as the news broke. He said that he had 42 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,879 suffered previous trauma and will now take his time to focus on mental health and 43 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:05,719 treatment. More Fully, I don't I'm not dismissing any trauma that someone actually 44 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,159 went through, but that does not excuse this action of which he's exposing himself 45 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,879 allegedly to a female employee, and to have that put out there immediately while 46 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:20,560 we're dealing with the slow drip of details overall, just doesn't feel like the 47 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:22,960 best look. I don't know that we need to be in a rush to 48 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,560 put out these or it's not even put out, put published these statements from 49 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:34,159 aggrieved parties when the entire story isn't known, so that there's this reckless and 50 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,319 rampant speculation that takes place thereafter, and there are people were saying, well, 51 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,639 I hope that Josh gets the help that he deserves and painting him as 52 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,039 sort of the victim in that scenario. And I'm this is not to say 53 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520 that he was not a victim at one point in his life of anything, 54 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,039 but it's now it overshadows a factor gets out first where there's these really serious 55 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,120 accusations of him improperly exposing himself to multiple women within the organis that's just an 56 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:04,360 issue, and it like that needs to be the focus here first and foremost, 57 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:09,439 and we need to be myself included, and we need to be willing 58 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:14,360 to learn and listen and understand if we're not presenting this in the proper context, 59 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,600 where if there's criticism, and what I'm saying about it like, I 60 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,199 need to be able to sit and listen and try to figure out a way 61 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,920 where I'm equipped to at least discuss this, since I think it's noteworthy enough 62 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,360 to mention even if I'm not a sexual misconduct expert. That being said, 63 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:30,360 this is pretty clear cut to me in the sense that I don't know that 64 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:33,759 we would ever need that we ever should know the full details, because does 65 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,480 that put anyone else to safety at risk? But while the slow drip of 66 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:43,560 what details we can know are coming out, everything needs to be contextualized where 67 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,000 there's just when there's such an unknown cloud sort of surrounding something, why are 68 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,160 we just putting out and promoting these statements before we know like even a shred 69 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,800 of the entire story. And so it seems like there will be a press 70 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,560 conference on Thursday where we will learn a lot more. It's a super shitty 71 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:05,720 situation, and my condolences and heart and empathy or with just all the potential 72 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:14,519 victims in this. Kyrie Irving who Kyrie Irving? So? Kyrie tweeted out 73 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,759 a link to a movie without a caption in the tweet, and the movie 74 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:23,639 itself is considered to be littered with anti Semitic views and conspiracies. I have 75 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:29,000 not watched the movie Rolling Stones. John Bleistein did an article where he sort 76 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,680 of delved into it pabulatory. A VSPN tweeted out a screenshot of the book 77 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,399 that the movie is based on. It's written by the same director, and 78 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:40,279 that director calls the fact that over six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust 79 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:44,519 one of five major falsehoods. So I feel comfortable in saying that, yes, 80 00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:49,800 the movie book communicates anti Semitic views. He was asked about it at 81 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,680 the postgame press conference after Nets lost to the Pacers. He was also asked 82 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,639 about when he posted in Alex Jones video about the New World Order, and 83 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,839 he defended posting that video just by saying, the entire conspiracy surrounding secret societies 84 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:12,560 is it's It's true, were his words. He did distance himself from Alex 85 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:21,639 Jones's conspiracies surrounding and his commentary surrounding Sandy hook. I everyone, my emotional 86 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:27,199 response immediately was just one of disgust, and I think that that should have 87 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,600 been the initial one for everybody. Kyrie was combative in that postgame presser, 88 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,199 and the response is and to me, just the best way to sort of 89 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:42,480 tackle it is to acknowledge what the quote unquote opposing stance has been. There 90 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,800 were people that said, well, this isn't basketball questions, why are they 91 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,680 asking it? It's relevant. I know that people have an issue that the 92 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,879 NBA, it seems all the biggest storylines or what's happening off the court, 93 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:54,920 or their hypothetical trades which are actually gonna get through in a minute, shout 94 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,680 out Miles Turner. I understand that this is relevant when you're posting something so 95 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,959 incendiary, something that can be harmful because you have this huge platform and if 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,399 people share or at their adopt those views, that's going to empower them, 97 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:16,079 and it dehumanizes Jewish people based off those theories and the other one of the 98 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,519 other pushbacks that I received, specifically because I put a tweet noting that one, 99 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:25,879 Kyrie said, it's not a promotion and to not dehumanize him when he 100 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:30,439 was going back and forth with ESPN's Nick Fredell, it's reasonable to assume it 101 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:32,759 was a promotion or some show of support when there's just no caption, and 102 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,600 when you're not willing to answer questions about whether it was or not, Like, 103 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,360 if it wasn't, he's saying he's just putting it out there and it 104 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,399 wasn't meant for people who are going to criticize it. That doesn't actually make 105 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:47,560 any sense. And the other thing here is people constantly told we're saying to 106 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,160 me, they were saying others, well, why aren't people going after Amazon 107 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:56,480 or Jeff Bezos for having this movie on their their platform? One, No, 108 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,720 Amazon isn't allowed to hide behind the cloak of capitalism or whatever you want 109 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:03,160 to call it. But no one is out there saying that Amazon is this 110 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:07,839 bastion of morality either, And so that's just disingenuous. And if that's where 111 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,600 you're going with this. The other thing that I was seeing and that was 112 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,040 said to me is, you know, why isn't there this much outrage over 113 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,120 anti black stances and as soon as it becomes anything that's a hint of anti 114 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,879 semitic, there's this a wider spread outrage. There's probably a fair discussion to 115 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,439 be had about what, you know, even going to the Kanye West stuff, 116 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:35,320 why the reaction was as powerful as it was when there has been anti 117 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 black propaganda out there and it does seem that when it comes to anti semitism 118 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,240 it might be stronger. But we could deal with this. We're talking about 119 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:46,799 racism against Asians as well. There's a conversation to be had that doesn't make 120 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:52,200 this okay. What Kyrie was doing. Everything that I just mentioned, all 121 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,360 like anti black stance is anti Semitism, racism in jed in general. Excuse 122 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,600 me not acknowledging or refusing to they're trying to rights from women, or people 123 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,120 are against the lgbt QIA plus community. All this shit is terrible, and 124 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,840 just because one exists or one there's a reaction on a larger scale, it 125 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,799 doesn't make the other one right or okay. It's perfectly fine for people to 126 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,159 be outraged by this and to feel like there to evoke some type of just 127 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:28,360 angry emotion from this, especially given Kyrie Irving's response, and I the whole 128 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,480 dehumanization thing. It's not it's disingenuous here in this case with Kyrie Irving, 129 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:39,200 because he's in that press conference contradicting himself over and over again where he says 130 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,480 that he's lucky enough to have this huge platform, but then this media builds 131 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,080 it up so that he has this big influence. You don't get to have 132 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,919 it both ways, And there is an inherent responsibility when you do have a 133 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,919 platform as largely as his, or any platform where if you're going to post 134 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,200 something publicly and people want to ask you about it, you should be prepared 135 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,840 to answer it. He wasn't prepared to expound on it. Nothing he said 136 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,840 was coherent. Nothing he said justified in any way or explained what he was 137 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:07,080 doing with the tweet, which, by the way, just putting it out 138 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,120 there. One, it's not a thing you put there was no caption, 139 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:13,279 like, then what were you trying to accomplish with it if it wasn't a 140 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,320 promotion or a show of support. And two he did delete it. I 141 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,279 don't know, we'll hear maybe we'll hear more about that eventually. There was 142 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,559 also people sitting courtside at the Nets Pacers game tonight that said, I believe 143 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,600 they had shirts on that said fight anti Semitism. And then there was an 144 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,960 exchange with Kyrie and he apparently said is pert Brian Lewis of The New York 145 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,080 Post, I believe that I appreciate you. Uh, I I don't know 146 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:39,600 like that is you know, it's I think it's fine that they were courtside, 147 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,679 but like him in the exchange with him, that's just so bizarre. 148 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:48,440 My overarching point here is, though, there's if you're defending someone who has 149 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,159 to qualify, like I don't agree with Alex Jones on him disseminating disinformation and 150 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,399 conspiracies that were harmful to the families of the victims from Sandy Hook, but 151 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,919 he made some good points about occult in secret societies. No, no, 152 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:05,960 no, that's not okay. It's not you know. And the movie from 153 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,440 this runt of the screenshots that Pabulatory printed out is cited us quoting Adolf Hitler 154 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,399 from a secret document, So who knows if that's even accurate. But when 155 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:16,120 they're quoting it off Hitler, that's a kin to say, like, well, 156 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,799 you know, like Adolf Hitler and mass genocide, that's not okay. 157 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,559 Uh, you know, like but he had like some really good tips on 158 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,679 like how to groom your mustache or something. You don't provide legitimacy to people, 159 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,919 uh, to those people, like, that's not okay. And so 160 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,159 the fact that Kyrie Irving would it doesn't matter. Forget about the content of 161 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,399 the Alex Jones video that he posted just for just for a second. It 162 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:43,080 doesn't matter that it was a different topic compared to the Sandy Hook stuff which 163 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,279 Alex Jones has been forced to think he was, like the punitive damages or 164 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:48,679 whatever they were over a billion dollars that he's supposed to pay something ridiculous. 165 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,799 He's admitted to playing a character put misleading people making money off of it because 166 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:58,600 he's playing that character on that dumbass info war show. So I like, 167 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,120 you don't using that source is problematic in itself because he's Kyrie is about how 168 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:07,279 this is from years ago. You know what that source has become. And 169 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,600 I'm just this has nothing to say of what Alex Jones was at that point, 170 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,279 but you know what the source has become. What he did. You 171 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,600 don't get to hide behind like, oh well no, this was from beforehand, 172 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,159 and I don't share his views on that. It doesn't work like that. 173 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,879 You need to find a different source than in this case. The subject 174 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,879 matter is complete bullshit anyway. So there were been holes poked in it to 175 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,879 begin with. I thought there was a lot of smarter commentary on this than 176 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:33,639 than from me, like from other people on Twitter and I think the whole 177 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:39,919 Kyrie sort of hiding behind this veil of cultural empowerment is is just not fair 178 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,919 and it's disingenuous and it's not you know, do I personally like Kye Irving? 179 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,559 Absolutely not. But this is not the media personally attacking him like this 180 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:56,480 is an actual issue someone with his influence, with his platform disseminating just disinformation 181 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,960 at this scale on subjects that are just so sensitive and then just absolutely disgusting. 182 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,840 It's it's absolutely not okay, and I'm like disappointed, I guess would 183 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,519 be the word that we haven't seen more NBA players, or any NBA players 184 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,600 at least as far as I'm concerned, come out and speak out against this. 185 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,480 That's something that I'll be looking towards. It's not I'm gonna point to 186 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:20,360 someone and say, well, this and this and this and this. I 187 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,720 think Kevin Durant like kind of you know, low key sucks throughout all this, 188 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:24,679 where he's saying, you know, in the postgame presser, oh, 189 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,759 it didn't impact us in the locker room, just you guys, like like 190 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,000 that's just the low key, shitty response if he doesn't want to comment on 191 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,360 it, like like Kyrie Irving is techinically not his responsibility. That's fine, 192 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,159 that just sucked too. And I'm not Look, I'm not perfect like and 193 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:43,360 and no one's perfect, and it's not on I'm not trying to be this 194 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,200 arbiter of morality here. I'm not trying to virtue signal either. This is 195 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,360 just actually pretty cut and dry, like what Kyrie Irving did was absolutely fucked 196 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,440 up, and his inability, his unwillingness to explain that, I think it 197 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,200 just proves like this comes back to anyone who follows Dragonfly Jones on Twitter. 198 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,600 He is essentially a clown with this stuff, Like he's a foe intellectual who 199 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:09,320 when he's pushed to have to comment or justify his stances, he can't or 200 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,279 won't because he the assumption is that he his opinion is right, or that 201 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,480 he's the only one that needs to be talking. Everyone else needs to be 202 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:20,200 listening. He's not the smartest person in the room, just because he is 203 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,399 going against the grain. Is the kind of way, the kindest way to 204 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:28,679 put this and subscribing to these you know, false realities and just absolutely dangerous 205 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:33,000 conspiracy theories. And I doubt this is the last that we've heard of this 206 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,759 topic. It doesn't seem like there's gonna be any disciplinary action for what Kyrie 207 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,840 posted. And you know, we saw what Joe Sai said on Twitter, 208 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,879 and then people are talking about like, oh, well, you come from 209 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:48,759 a country that supports this and that it's again, it's not. It's not 210 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,519 just because one thing is true, it doesn't make supporting the other okay, 211 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,879 and it doesn't make it wrong to speak out against which is not okay, 212 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:01,559 like against the topic that is not okay. Just would moderate. Those are 213 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,399 my thoughts there, and I tweeted about it too as I'm stammering through this 214 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,879 whole thing. But the whole situation just absolutely sucks. And again Kyrie deleted 215 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:13,480 the tweet, but it's absolutely disgusting that it was put out there in the 216 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,600 first place. If he was gonna put it out without a caption, there 217 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,000 was a different reasoning behind it. He should have been prepared to explain it. 218 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,399 It's not on anybody else other than him. Then if I'm going to 219 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,919 post something that doesn't have a caption, this is not comparing myself to him. 220 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,600 But if I'm going to do that and someone wants to ask me, 221 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,279 well, why'd you post a link to this article and you didn't describe what 222 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:31,799 it was about. Do you support it? That's a fair This wasn't You 223 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:37,159 can't retweets or not endorsements this ship because it was one a native tweet like 224 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,840 it was your own tweet, and there was no context there, so it 225 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:45,759 was fair game when it came to questioning, and he was unwilling or incapable 226 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:50,759 to rationalize why he posted it in the first place, So the only reaction 227 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:56,919 should just be one of disgust towards him and that entire belief and obviously anti 228 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,679 semitism, anti semitism in general, and even if it's anti black policies, 229 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,000 like we went through all this, like racism is bad, discrimination in general 230 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:07,159 is bad. This is not hard to wrap your head around. And Kyrie 231 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,399 Irving is not any smarter than you or I just because he's traveling off the 232 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,279 beaten path to this just absolute bs and having outrage over it does not make 233 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,399 you, you know, over this is their selective outrage, Yes, and 234 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,559 there's a conversation we had about selective outrage. But it's okay to be outraged 235 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,440 by this. It's absolutely okay to be outraged by this, and don't let 236 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,679 anyone tell you otherwise. And if you're twisting yourself into a fucking pretzel to 237 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,879 defend Kyrie Irving, just like kyr Irving has to disqualify something he posted about 238 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:37,600 Alex Jones, who was, you know, disseminating all this men's information about 239 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Sandy Hook where children were slaughtered. Yeah, like, maybe it's time to 240 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,159 look yourself in the mirror and rethink what the fuck you're doing. And I'll 241 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,720 end there. This is there is no natural segue here, Kwie Leonard. 242 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,519 He's going to miss at least the next six games with the Clippers not going 243 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:56,480 on their current road trip. Tyler said, it's right knee management. They're 244 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,919 calling it from the partially torn acl that he suffered before. Was that in 245 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,519 the twenty that's the twenty twenty one postseason. Now time is just such an 246 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:10,279 odd concept for me to follow, Tyler said. Kawai is frustrated, but 247 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,559 he's also getting better. I don't really know what to make of this. 248 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:18,319 My you know, I don't want to panic about any team or any player 249 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,680 at this point, but like you know, the Clippers, it's been rough. 250 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,920 The Lakers are the only team they're scoring fewer points per possession. At 251 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,000 the moment, Kauai is obviously a huge part of their offense. He's dealt 252 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,039 with all these injuries to his lower body in the past, and so it 253 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,039 does make you concerned he's on the wrong side of thirty and the fact that 254 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,119 this is like, you know, it was just a Parsley torn acl It 255 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,400 wasn't considered the better scenario, but it was something that many wondered, Oh 256 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,160 would even have to miss the entire season while he recovers from it. He 257 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,559 did, and now it's just still not okay he is when he's been on 258 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:52,839 the court. I think there's been a ton of moments where he's looked fine 259 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:57,279 on the offensive end in particular, but this team is not going to come 260 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,519 anywhere near title contention if he's just not available. And what I will say, 261 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,160 while we have made jokes about load management, and I always think there's 262 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,680 an important line to toe here, like making fun of Anthony davis injuries is 263 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,119 super cringe. Acknowledging that he is injury prone or accident prone, however you 264 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,880 want to call it, is absolutely fair game. This is like Kawai didn't 265 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,680 wake up as a two time champion at one morning and just aside, like, 266 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,720 hey, like I'm really not going to play during the regular season, 267 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:27,240 Let's just rest up for the spring. These are guys that absolutely want to 268 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:30,559 play, and so the fact that he's not and we're to point like the 269 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:33,720 games matter for the Clippers because they're they're not given in the West. The 270 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,680 West is just so deep and brutal. Kawai missing an extended period of time 271 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,799 could absolutely derail their season. It just sucks. And I don't really have 272 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:45,359 any other analysis on it other than that. Unfortunately, I just hope he 273 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,240 gets better so we could sort of see the Western Conference and close to its 274 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,720 full form, and hopefully all these elite supposed to be elite teams getting healthier 275 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,680 and healthier. This is something that's absolutely worth monitoring though, because you know, 276 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,839 we're now he's going to now have missed just the majority of the games 277 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,599 this season, and even when he's playing the games, there's you know, 278 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,640 they're still trying to work him in very slowly, like this is somebody who's 279 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,680 coming off the bench. It will be interesting to see how they handle this 280 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,960 and when he actually returns, and do we perhaps get more definitive information on 281 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,920 what's going on. Here, it's I think it's it's good to hear, 282 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,519 like, well, quits frustrated. That's not good to hear. But that 283 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,359 he's getting better, I guess. I guess that is good to hear, 284 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,160 But what does that actually mean? Okay, he's getting better, but he's 285 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,880 still missed most of this season and he's not traveling with you. Just something 286 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,359 to keep our eyes on. Miles Turner was on the Wojpod with ESPN's Adrian 287 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,240 wos Roowski. He was asked point blank about the trade rumors involving him with 288 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:42,079 the Lakers and man his answer was, just I had no idea this this 289 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:47,720 was out there. I subscribe to the wopod. It's become like too much 290 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,480 of just like propaganda for me, uh, you know, for agents and 291 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,400 executives to listen to on a regular basis. That's if you like that cup 292 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,599 of tea, the interviews that yes he yet or legit, we can't get 293 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,920 Miles Turner on this podcast. More power to you, woch. I do 294 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,079 like I enjoy when him and Bobby Marks do have their pots together. I 295 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:06,839 will say that, but like the question is just like I couldn't believe it 296 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,920 was asked Caitlyn Cooper Vinny Corners tweeted about it this morning, which is how 297 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,559 it was brought to my attention in the first place. Miles Turner responded, 298 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,000 though, if I'm the Lakers, I take a very hard look at this 299 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:18,519 position that you're in. I know what I can provide for a team, 300 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,240 my leadership, my shot blocking, my three point ability, and just my 301 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:25,039 ability to make plays out there on the floor, and I take a very 302 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,400 long look at it. But as far as playing the trigger, I get 303 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,759 paid to shoot. I'm not paid to make these calls. So I couldn't 304 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:32,599 answer that. We all know picks are so valuable in this league, and 305 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,079 someone like myself, I'm heading into last year in my deal, and you 306 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,279 want to make sure you're getting a return for your assets. Turner added a 307 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,640 hat tip to Dave McManaman of ESPN, who transcribed that as well, my 308 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:45,400 god, just being asked so directly about it, I guess, is one 309 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,279 thing. And it's also fair because Miles Turner has been in trade rumors for 310 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,160 basically ten years. And he hasn't even been in the NBA for ten years, 311 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,880 but that's how long he's been in trade rumors. Just flat out so 312 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,519 to ask me about it is fair for someone who's spending that much time the 313 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,759 rumor mill him sort of talking about though, capitalizing on assets and being in 314 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,200 the final year of his deal. That doesn't sound like someone who's gonna even 315 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,319 entertain coming back to Indiana. This season, he's only appeared in two games 316 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,599 at this recording, shooting a perfect of perfect thirteen at the line. By 317 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,640 the way, he went back and watched, I wasn't watching it. I 318 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:22,519 was his debut game or a second game, and he was like hitting runners. 319 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:23,839 I mean, like this Milestur on offense has been kind of fun to 320 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:27,440 watch. I went back and watched his offensive possessions this season. We're talking 321 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,799 about limited volume here, only eight three point attempts, but he's made three 322 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,640 of them, like shooting thirty them at a thirty seven point five percent clip. 323 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,559 The rim protection i Q is really just still there. And I always 324 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,480 thought that he didn't receive enough credit for his mobility on the perimeter when he's 325 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,519 defending. I think this is someone who's absolutely a difference maker. And oh 326 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,480 hey, he's only nja's twenty sixth season. He's dealt with a ton of 327 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:51,519 injuries and he's going to be a free agent, but he's still a hyper 328 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:56,839 valuable player. When it comes to the Lakers specifically, you can go back 329 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,880 and look at or listen to all the content I put out on it. 330 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,319 If push came to shove the Buddy Healed Turner framework, I probably would just 331 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,119 give up the two first round picks. That being said, I'm at the 332 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,440 point where, and this is on Rob Blink in the front office, I 333 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,599 view the Lakers as sort of so hopeless that even giving up those two first 334 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,160 round picks from Master and Buddy Hell doesn't make you contender. And so now 335 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,200 I understand the logic of you might as well just ride this out, let 336 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:21,640 the cap space it until next summer, and we'll still have our picks. 337 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,279 Maybe we poach someone in free agency. So I probably leaned towards that mode. 338 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:32,240 But that like in the cold callous vacuum few But then you look at 339 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:37,599 it and it's Lebron is in his age thirty eight season. Now is it 340 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:40,160 at age thirty nine? Why do I keep getting that that mixed up? 341 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,119 I'll track that really quick. We have Lebron who's about to turn thirty eighties 342 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,599 in his age thirty eight season. I was right the first time. Always 343 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,519 trust your instincts, folks, unless your instincts leads you to post, you 344 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:52,200 know, regurgitate something from Alex Jones and then claim to be a freethinker even 345 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,279 though you're just sort of aggregating all the thoughts of these famous A S Hattery 346 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:04,079 conspiracy theorists. Sorry, Miles Turner, so still super valuable. We have 347 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,359 Lebron in his age thirty eight season. You're obligated to go for it, 348 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,720 and so I would say just give it up at this point. Now, 349 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,680 does waiting make it more likely the Pacers do this deal for just a pick 350 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:17,440 or maybe a pick in a swap. I honestly have no idea. If 351 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,200 the Lakers continue to freefall, you know, you get that win against the 352 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Nuggets. Russ has looked okay in two games coming off the bench. Maybe 353 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,920 maybe you gain some leverage back here. Maybe you're just inclined to we we 354 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,400 could still like make the plane or be you know, like seven or eight, 355 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,000 or just be somewhat frisky if we make it out of the plane and 356 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,119 you're just content with that and punting out another year of Lebron being a star, 357 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,039 and that's just not a given from season a season anymore, just camp 358 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,880 be at his age, I would I get not making the deal now, 359 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,720 even though like you had all off season to kind of address more of your 360 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,880 overarching issues than the Lakers actually did. They didn't need to be so guard 361 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,200 addicted over the off season either. But I have to also till towards you 362 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:57,480 have Lebron and so if you're not trying to win a title or play meaningful 363 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,039 basketball into the spring, then what the hell are you doing right now? 364 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,160 I don't think the Lakers are built for that. Miles tur did also comment 365 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,279 on like why it would be appealing to play for the Lakers, and he 366 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,440 said this is per the Woespod and it comes from Dave McManaman when he transcribed 367 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,519 to for ESPN. Turr said, I just feel like here in the Midwest, 368 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,960 we don't get the love that I think we deserve. It doesn't get 369 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,720 taken on the national level. You were under the microscope out there at the 370 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:23,960 West when you were doing bad. You're going to hear about it. When 371 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 you're doing great, you were going to get a lot of love, especially 372 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,079 with the love that the Lakers get. I think another aspect that is appealing 373 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,680 is playing with greatness and playing under Lebron, I feel like he demands a 374 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,839 certain level of excellency, especially at this point of his career. It's just 375 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,279 one of those things when you're out there, you got to perform people who 376 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,039 are going to expect you to go out there and hold onto that legacy that 377 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,119 the Lakers have built over the years. I don't I find the answer completely 378 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,720 innocuous here, and again I think it's fair game because of how often or 379 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,279 how relentless see Miles Turner has been in the rumor mill, and so if 380 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:55,680 teams were going to just include players like that and we get to a point 381 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,559 Whereho's basically traded to the Celtics at one point, I don't have a problem 382 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:03,079 with them commenting on just these you ceaseless trade rumors that are involving their name. 383 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,440 Do I take this is him sort of campaign need to play for the 384 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,480 Lakers. I don't know. It's just sort of surreal to have him talking 385 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,119 this way so openly about the trade rumors. It'll be interesting to see where 386 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,480 this winds up and if the Pacers actually get the full boat of the two 387 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,359 first, should they go through with the deal or if Russ winds up on 388 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:22,559 another team for a lesser cost. On the Lakers part, I'm just I'll 389 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,519 be fascinated to see how it all plays out. I do think the Lakers 390 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:27,759 are really going to try and push this to wait, Like if this happens 391 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:32,599 before game, if any trade with Russ happens before the game, let's say 392 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:36,000 between twelve and fifteen of the season, I will actually be fairly surprised because 393 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,680 I really think they're either trying to wait out the market, which it makes 394 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,200 sense if you're hoping to gain some leverage. It doesn't make sense if you're 395 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,720 thinking better offers are going to arise, because the Lakers best offer, while 396 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:47,279 it's steep for them, it can be beaten by so many teams, So 397 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,640 if better players become available, you're just gonna miss out on them for teams 398 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,960 that are that can and will offer more and can give a draft pick that 399 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,880 comes sooner than one of the next five drafts beyond my Dottage signed a two 400 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,640 year at thirty nine point one million dollar extension with the Pins. That does 401 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,880 not sound like a lot on the surface. It sounds like even less when 402 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,839 only two million of the final season of that extension is guaranteed. Just a 403 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,400 no brainer here for me, Boyomdonovitch is shooting like a trillion percent from the 404 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,160 floor has really opened up the Pistons offense and the half court for them. 405 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,519 They're effective people go percentage rises like seven points when he's on the court. 406 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:23,319 I think when you have that type of outlet, it's streams line development for 407 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,119 all the kids that are within this ecosystem, and it's you know, it's 408 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,039 Kade having more space to operate. Ditto with Jay n Ivy, the room 409 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,200 that Jalen durn in certain line ups has to roll to the basket. If 410 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,960 you go back and watch, like having just Boio Madonna's addition to him just 411 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,680 stroking three after three after three, it's a good fit and he doesn't compromise 412 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,519 whatever the Pistons are trying to do. If it's yeah, we eventually want 413 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,759 to enter the play and discussion this season, then he becomes a player who's 414 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,200 valuable to that. If it's well, we kind of want another high draft 415 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,759 pick, he's just not going to be the guy that single handed lead derails 416 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,839 that. Another interesting note though, just given the nature of this extension, 417 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,680 they Jill Ken immediately trade him, so that's this is not like a given 418 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,640 that he stays in Detroit through this season, unless I'm mistaken there. But 419 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,279 under the terms of this extension, when you look at it, and they 420 00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,480 were limited by the extensional rules, since he was traded, I believe that 421 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,599 he can be immediately traded, so that that might be something to monitor. 422 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,839 But that's just that's a fair price to pay if you're the Pistons. I 423 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,079 want to keep him, and I think there's value in just having someone who 424 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:25,279 opens up the floor as reliably for specifically I'm looking at I mean, even 425 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:26,839 Isaiah Steward a little bit, but Jalon During, Kake Cunningham, j and 426 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,759 Ive, who are the three most important players in the building for Detroit. 427 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:34,680 Blake Wesley will wrap up here before we get to have I'll throw out an 428 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,000 MVP ladder. How about that? Anyone to enjoy MVP ladders early season? 429 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:44,119 Comes from Tom Orsbourne of the San Antonio Express. News. Sources confirm that 430 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,519 Blake Wesley's expected mis six to eight weeks with a torm NCL he suffered in 431 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,279 Sunday's game against the Minnesota Timberwolves. The MRI performed on Monday revealed the MCL 432 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,720 tear. The X rays were negative initially on Sunday night. That sucks. 433 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,039 He's a rookie. The Spurs are built, so he hadn't played a ton. 434 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:00,640 I think that was only his second appearance of the season Wesley for the 435 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,559 Spurs. But like the Spurs are rolling out their youngsters, and so to 436 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:08,200 have this type of setback when there are minutes potentially open now in the back 437 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,519 court without Josh Primo there just kind of blows. So we'll have to monitor 438 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,960 that. See hopefully he just gets healthy. And this is someone who was 439 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,960 building the NBA, as you know, coming into the NBA, excusing me 440 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,960 like he can take and make some some difficult shots. And the Spurs they're 441 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,640 still that deficit. As impressive Keldon Johnson and Devin Missel have been this offseason, 442 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,920 there's still sort of that. And now that Premo the player on the 443 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,079 court is gone, you sort of look at the structure of their team and 444 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:40,519 they don't have that obvious from scratch playmaker slash shot maker. Could it be 445 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:47,160 Trey Jones, Could it be Malachai Brandam? Perhaps, but like is that 446 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,720 would would would Blake Wesley have giving you any of that? So I don't 447 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,359 know, but blows. Hopefully he's out there soon we get to see him 448 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,519 on the court. The Spurs has been kind of fun to watch the season. 449 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,319 They're blowing expectations out of the water already, just like the the Utah 450 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,839 Jazz. So that's been pretty fun. How about an MVP ladder early season? 451 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,839 I'm tasked with doing these every two weeks for Bleacher Report. I don't 452 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,680 think I'll spam you with them every two weeks, but the first one is 453 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,680 always difficult, just because you know, and I'll throw it up on the 454 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:21,680 screen for people who are watching along on YouTube, and we'll get to honorable 455 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,920 mentions. I did the top five and then I actually fleshed out a top 456 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880 ten. What's so interesting though about doing an MVP ladder right now when we're 457 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,319 fewer than eight games into the season. For everybody, the MP ladders are 458 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,440 both brutal and beautiful. The margin of separation is so terribly, terrifically thin 459 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,880 that it makes ironing out a definitive hierarchy rewardingly wrenching. And it's basically the 460 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,240 you know, Tony Horton P ninety x I hate it but I love it 461 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,480 video, which is what I posted when I was knee deep in and writing 462 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,680 it because it was so tough. As a reminder, like the first MVP 463 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,680 Ladder of this season is based on everything I have seen and we have seen 464 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,680 entering games on Halloween, I did not take those games into account, even 465 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,319 though I just watched the Raptors absolutely slaughter the Hawks like he was sort of 466 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,519 close. Though, like for three and a half quarters, there is a 467 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,920 dash and dab of is so and so's performance sustainable peppered throughout the final pecking 468 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,119 order? Beyond that, though I'm not really trying to project. Would also 469 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,119 makes it difficult. Interpretations of the NBA's MVP Award vary across the board. 470 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,279 How much how much should team's success reflect the selection? Does a player's case 471 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:33,640 get diluted by by having excuse me, types of player's case get deluded by 472 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,000 having enviable talent around him? Should players receive pomp and circumstance for lifeline usage 473 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:42,119 and thriving within a shallower supporting cast. I just I can't pretend to have 474 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,519 all the answers here, and I've always sort of viewed the MVP Ladder is 475 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,839 just okay. Which player uplifts his team the most circumstances be damned where Yeah, 476 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,799 it matters what Yogas did with the Nuggets two of their three best players 477 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:02,359 out last season. But like, if you're also uplifting a team a better 478 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,680 team, but you're still uplifting them a crap ton, It's arguably harder to 479 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,720 take a really good team too great, too title contender status to take what 480 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,240 would be a team that sucks without you to like, oh they're they're like 481 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,240 respectable, or they're they're really good. That jump is just a little bit 482 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:18,559 easier to make than the one that I just outlined it, So I try 483 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,559 to just view it through who uplifts his current team the most and would do 484 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,200 so in nearly any other situation. Make no mistake, though this order is 485 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:27,680 going to change throughout the year. No one is untouchable right now, even 486 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,279 though I think number one is pretty clear cut, and I considered over fifteen 487 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,720 names just across the top five, Winnowing that list down was painful, rest 488 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:42,319 assured, I thoroughly hate myself, So just very brief recap instead, or 489 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,839 like always, this ranking is meant to reflect a snapshot in time what my 490 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,599 ballot would look like if the season ended right now. Which thankfully it does 491 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,880 not, because after this should be obvious number one entry, things get debatable 492 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,559 as hell. We start though with the honorable mentions and which is basically ten 493 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,839 through six. For me, I have Damian Lillard at ten for the Blazers. 494 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:07,279 Here's every player averaging more points per possession out of isolation than Damian Lillard. 495 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,640 That's it. That's the entire list you just heard. That's not Lillard's 496 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,160 entire case. He remains an offensive cheek code across so many different usage types, 497 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:17,960 and his defensive energy is picked up to boot a calf injury that's going 498 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,880 to keep him sidelined for a bit, coupled with an offense that is less 499 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,480 dependent on him to create everything and anything for everyone this season, that dragged 500 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,200 him down, but not yet outside the top ten. For me, he's 501 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,960 been absolutely spectacular when you look at his scoring and in terms of spearheading, 502 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,599 how good the Blazers actually are. Number nine Pascal Siakam of the Toronto Raptors. 503 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:44,640 Did Pascal Siakam get better again? He sure did. Even what his 504 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,559 finishes aren't falling, his attack mode is just this great weapon. He has 505 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,680 more counters than everyone probing and doesn't get thrown off balance or out of his 506 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,160 dribble and faced with congestion, the catch and shoot three for now is back. 507 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,960 He's hitting them at a forty two plus percent clip. He's getting into 508 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,160 the line at a career high clip as well, and few players rival his 509 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:06,440 overall offensive importance and efficiency to wit. Luka Danci and Trey Young are the 510 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:12,359 only other players matching Siakam's usage and assist rate while committing turnovers on fewer than 511 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,640 thirteen percent of their possessions. That's big time, folks, NICOLEA. Jokis 512 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,640 checks in at number eight for me, Yes, Yoki just scoring numbers have 513 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,160 dipped, and sure he needs to be taking and making more threes, and 514 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,559 no question, the Nuggets lots to the Los Angeles Lakers is clearly unforgivable, 515 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,599 and uh I fully recognize Jokis has no chance of actually winning this award because 516 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,160 voter fatigue is a thing. Still, let's collectively agree to not write off 517 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,039 twenty plus points and eight plus assists per game from an offensive lifeline drilling sixty 518 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,319 nine percent of his twos, especially when Denver continues to comfortably outstrip opponents with 519 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,920 Yokich on the floor, they are outscoring them by more than seven points per 520 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,680 one hundred possessions. Number seven, I'm not sure if this is gonna surprise 521 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:57,400 people. It's Shay Gilders Alexander from the Oklahoma City Thunder. That is not 522 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,880 a mistake. Sga is having an absolutely monster season, averaging thirty one points 523 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,440 and seven assists per game on better than league average for shooting, while hardly 524 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,159 ever turning the ball over and subsisting almost entirely on self created looks his no 525 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,920 joke to me, and right now, the Thunder aren't funny either. They 526 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,440 are hell on Earth to face and though the offense remains clunky, it hovers 527 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,679 above league average. With Sga on the court above league average, which when 528 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,880 you look at the talent surrounding him still, that's really fucking impressive. Also, 529 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,039 when he's on the floor, the Thunder out scoring opposed by twelve point 530 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,760 six points per one hundred possessions. He's ratchet it up on defense this season 531 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,119 as well. That team is going to be tough to play. I don't 532 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,599 expect him to stick here all year just because do I think the Thunder eventually 533 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:44,559 like throw in the towel? I mean maybe I guess they could keep Shay 534 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,039 in there all year. I still expect some weird stuff to happen, I 535 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,039 will say, but he absolutely deserves to be in the top ten right now. 536 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,119 And like you can't, Oh, you can make the joke that the 537 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,559 Thunder sucked, and there are people that have watched way more than the Thunder 538 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,079 than I have this season, but I've I've watched the Thunder this season, 539 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,599 and those dudes, it's not just a matter of trying. Like Shay Giobs, 540 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,599 a gender is so talented and they're substance to what he's doing. The 541 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,840 Thunder have been actually good when he's on the court, and they've been actually 542 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,719 good overall this season. Number six might surprise some people. Steph Curry, 543 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,920 Steph going Kaboom is among the NBA's most enduring constants, and despite the warriors 544 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,480 awkward start, he'd be a shoe in for the top five if three of 545 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,760 his past four outings didn't feature this lackluster outside shooting. I will say I 546 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,719 do tend to sometimes cite net rating swings. I try and avoid them too 547 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,159 much in this discussion because we have to move beyond that. I am sort 548 00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:36,639 of wondering if Steve Kerr is single handedly campaigning for Steph to have the biggest 549 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,960 net rating swing in the NBA by having James Wiseman on the floor when Steph 550 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,280 Curry is not, because that really helps Steph's net rating swing. Just in 551 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,679 case anybody cares about those things. Let's get to the top five though, 552 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,880 So number five Devin Booker of the Phoenix Suns. I don't think anyone who 553 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,519 listens to this podcast will be particularly surprised that I have him here. I 554 00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,239 think he may have had a case. He went cold from three the past 555 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,440 two games, so maybe that bumped them down a bit. But giving the 556 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,719 final spot the Booker not easy. Steph could be here diddo for Siakam and 557 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,320 Yokich didto for Dame and SGA. At the same time, Booker himself could 558 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,840 also be hired. To me. He's averaging twenty nine point three points and 559 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,440 five point five assists while banging in sixty percent of his twos, including a 560 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,679 fifty six percent clip from mid range, for a Phoenix Suns team that has 561 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,679 retained its status as a well oiled machine. What's more, Booker has never 562 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,039 been more pivotal to that machine. Chris Paul isn't off to the clean to 563 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:32,800 start. Cam Johnson began the season battling hit issues, and while the bench 564 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,280 has been surprisingly strong, the Suns remain without Jay Crowder, who's their sixth 565 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,639 best player or should be their sixth best player maybe well, I guess they're 566 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:45,559 third best player is Jacque Landale. So but you get you catch my drift 567 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,760 there. Booker is averaging ten point five potential assists per game. That's as 568 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,159 highest since the PRECP three era, and it's a significant uptick over last season's 569 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,280 eight point four. So much of the Suns' offense is now tethered to his 570 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,280 decision making out of double teams and from the in between. Opponents are doubling 571 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,920 him on thirty one point nine percent of his possessions, which is one of 572 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,920 the I think ten highest marks in the league. When I was checking, 573 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,599 they are the Sun's at least going one point zero points per possession out of 574 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:15,880 those double teams. But Booker's ability to find outlets like DeAndre Ayton in those 575 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,920 situations has helped Phoenix navigate various slumps from certain players and just stay afloat. 576 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,559 Booker is also shooting sixty percent on fifteen point eight drives per game, while 577 00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,920 notching what would be a career best free throw at tenth. Right, Like 578 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,559 I said at the top, two consecutive ice cold games from distance kept Booker 579 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,119 outside the top four and barely in fifth. Because that's how this ship works 580 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,039 right now when we're only six seven games in the season. But the offended 581 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,480 comments you hear about his defense no longer being a weakness or accurate, and 582 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,599 in the early going he's elevated the Sun's point differential per one hundred possessions by 583 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:51,280 twenty five point seven when he's on the court. That is again I don't 584 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,199 lean on these, but that is the highest mark of anyone who's going to 585 00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:00,440 appear in the top five. We are on, too, number four, 586 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:04,880 and we have John Morant of the Memphis Grizzlies. I guess you can consider 587 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,320 this my latest apology to the Grizzlies, who I just continue issuing apologies too 588 00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:13,599 for being so wrong about them. Spectacle ensues every time John Morant attacks, 589 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,599 not really because he's a human poster, but for the unpredictability with which he 590 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,519 now plays. Well, go for the monster, finish, slow down, 591 00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,199 get a defender on his hip, and finish with a much too easy or 592 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,760 impossibly angled scoop layout seamlessly slide back for a double clutch, jumper loft or 593 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,599 threaded dime to his rolling big. The offensive armory from which Morant poles has 594 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:36,719 never been deeper that includes his three ball. He won't shoot sixty one percent 595 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,039 out above the break triples forever, but leaving him under unattended is no longer 596 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:45,440 tenable recourse four defenses. To that end, the Memphis Grizzlies currently leave the 597 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,800 league in point scored per possession outside garbage time per cleaning the glass. Fewer 598 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,800 than ten games isn't much to go off, but no reasonable mind had them 599 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,719 here five plus outings into the season, and the John Morant power minutes haven't 600 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,159 only been better thing thlue to half court offense that ranks inside the seventy third 601 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,519 percentile of efficiency. Memphisip's aggregate success takes center stage most of the time it 602 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:13,119 should, the Grizzlies collectively traffic and defying expectations, but this year's defense is 603 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:19,039 off to a rocky start without Jaren Jackson Junior and the impressive Santi Aldama ranked 604 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,400 second on the team in total minutes again Santi aldam I've been impressive. He's 605 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,559 still second on the team in total minutes. These are not picturesque circumstances, 606 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,280 which makes morants thirty two point six points and six point seven assists on the 607 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,320 highest true shooting percentage sixty six point two that you'll see within this discussion much 608 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,320 more impressive and that much more mission critical to what Memphis is doing. Number 609 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,159 three on here where this was tough. I'm not gonna lie Luca don chich. 610 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,159 I think this might be in the minority. I'm not sure, and 611 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,679 I kind of hope it's not because I don't try to be purposely incentiary. 612 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,440 Figuring out where to place Luca was and is and might remain a struggle. 613 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,519 On the one hand, is thirty six point seven points per game lead the 614 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,639 Association. He pairs that distinction with eight point seven assist per game and a 615 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,239 jaw jutting sixty five percent conversion rate inside the arc. The level to which 616 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,960 the Mavericks depend on him still shouldn't exist. His forty point nine usage rate 617 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,400 would be the second highest in NBA history, behind only twenty sixteen twenty seventeen 618 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,679 Russell Westbrook, who, by the way, one MP honors, and yet 619 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,039 partners this historical centrality with a turnover right south of nine. The words you're 620 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,119 looking for here is what the fuck those are words? So how the words 621 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,960 you're looking for is how it shouldn't be possible to blend the degree of difficulty 622 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,920 on so many of his passes with such economical possession control. On the other 623 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,039 hand, Dontech is so far shooting a career low twenty two point six percent 624 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:50,519 from three, and his offensive monopolization directly contributes to the Mavericks altogether, punting 625 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,920 on transition and any sort of variable cadence whatsoever. How much of a bump 626 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,480 should he get for his one man showism and how much of a pass does 627 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,199 he warrant for Dallas's rocky start Pretty big ones on both fronts, if you 628 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,239 ask me, the Mambis appear to be in self discovery more given some of 629 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,840 the rotation decisions Jason Kidd has made. That's not on Don Chi, who, 630 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:13,199 despite the departure of Jalen Brunson, a woefully predictable crunch time in late 631 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,360 clock structure, and frankly too much fucking JaVale McGee, continues to somehow, 632 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:24,599 some way anchor a top five offense, Number two Donovan Mitchell of the Cleveland 633 00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:29,559 Cavaliers. I would not have bet on this even if you told me it 634 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,360 was going to happen. I don't care how early in the season. It 635 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:37,360 is my mega controversial take here, and I want people to stop what they're 636 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,519 doing and sit down so that they can hear this. The Cleveland Cavaliers were 637 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,400 smart to trade for Donovan Mitchell. I'm very glad to get that off my 638 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:46,320 chest. I hope it doesn't anger too many, but that is my mega 639 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,719 controversial take. Though the Calves have cobbled together a more effective bench rotation than 640 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,800 I expected, which related Holy crap, Kevin Love. Mitchell has been the 641 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,199 life force for an offense that ranks sixth in point score per possession, fight, 642 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,320 playing almost entirely without Darius Garland and experimenting with imperfect solutions at the three. 643 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960 On another related note, that Dean weight extension was highway robbery by Cleveland. 644 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,280 He's fantastic. The numbers here speak deafening volumes. Mitchell is averaging thirty 645 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,079 two point two points and seven point three assists while knocking down fifty two point 646 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:22,639 six percent of his twos and a sanity, shattering forty five point five percent 647 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,360 of his threes. He's thrown more errant passes than normal, but that comes 648 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,320 with figuring out timing and fit with a completely new team, missing the primary 649 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,599 playmaker off which you were supposed to operate. At this moment, I don't 650 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,320 think there's a hotter rim and three score in the league. Mitchell is shooting 651 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,119 seventy three percent at the basket and sixty two percent on sixteen point three drives 652 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,960 per game, and his fifty two point nine percent clip on off the dribble 653 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,639 threes leads the field of everyone who's attempted at least fifteen of those looks. 654 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,239 Whether Mitchell can maintain this pace as a matter of course, there is no 655 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,679 ceiling on the twenty twenty two twenty twenty three calves, but the complexion of 656 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:06,599 the offense will change once Garland rejoins the rotation. Mitchell's singular excellent excellence may 657 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,280 pull back as a result. I'd still bet against it materially dissipating here. 658 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,800 Number one, you know it. I know it. At least we all 659 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,599 should know it. Johannest attent to Coupo. I just I don't have I'm 660 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,960 gonna try and give some words to this, but Johannes's tent to coopo is 661 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:30,119 beyond words. He's relentlessly dominant everywhere against everyone, without fail. There continues 662 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,440 to be an unprecedented unstoppability with which he plays. Can he fall to in 663 00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,840 love with the mid range from where he's shooting twenty nine percent? Yeah? 664 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,599 Sure? He can also flip a switch and resume attacking the basket, and 665 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:47,519 what opposing defense is can only describe as hopelessly unguardable avalanches. It has become 666 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,920 a cliche to wonder aloud whether the Mothership will ever call him home and ruin 667 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,159 the NBA experience for all of us. Quite frankly, that doesn't make it 668 00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,159 untrue. His numbers shouldn't exist in this timeline or dimension. Through five games, 669 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,559 he's averaging thirty four point four points, fourteen rebounds, five point eight 670 00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,679 assists, and one point six blocks while downing sixty five point two percent of 671 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,920 his twos, and in I what the hell why not thirty five point three 672 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,400 percent of his threes. The defense is a standout as ever. Has there 673 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,519 ever been a more effective week side helper or someone seemingly so emotionally invested in 674 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:24,800 the outcome of every possession he takes each basket. Personally, I'm not sure, 675 00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:29,400 but I do know Yannis once again ranks among the best high volume stoppers 676 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,719 at the RIM. And more importantly, I know that the Milwaukee Bucks sit 677 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,800 atop the east and the entire MBA without Chris Middleton or Pat Connaughton because of 678 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,920 Yannis. That is my MVP Ladder top ten. Let me know what you 679 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,199 think in the comments and my mentions whatever. Please remember to subscribe on YouTube 680 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:51,239 on your podcast player, download every episode from the podcast player, interact with 681 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,440 us, join our discord. The link to that is in the podcast and 682 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,159 YouTube descriptions. If you want to go more in depth and help with the 683 00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,880 community, or interact with the community that we've been building, Lots of good 684 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,079 conversations happening there, maybe as we even record this, if you really think 685 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,239 about that, follow us on the socials, which are both in the podcast 686 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,159 on YouTube description. Until next time, I'll get the shout out to the 687 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,800 one, the only, the guy who just missed this MVP Ladder because he's 688 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,000 on his own MVP ladder right Because there needs to be a number of better, 689 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,280 more superior than one, that is Frank neil keia