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I remember watched back the video version
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when we're getting the room noise in
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playing, we're probably just all like
frozen sitting. Oh yeah, yeah,

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yeah, Well I think something that
I learned editing it without Jake, which,

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my god, I'm so glad we
have Jake because it was not easy

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sinking everything. Is that I forget
that in the video version we are actually

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talking and it's muted, right,
and then we start the show. Oh

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right, yeah, and so like
right now, we could be in the

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black and white part right now.
Yeah, it's happening right now. And

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then and then Mike does his intro. Yeah right, Hello, everybody,

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welcome back to fire Escape Cast.
It is episode seventy four. I'm Mike

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Maharty here as always with Mary Kish. Hello. Got caught you off guard,

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didn't I? You're taking miss drinking? I usually got it. Dan

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first, I go alphabetical first name. He's my last name this time.

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Dan. Oh god, I want
to ready to start? Yes, how's

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it going good? We're well into
February. Do you guys have Valentine's Day

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plans? Your perves do pervs,
pervs, A nice dinner. Nice mm

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pre pitch. I think you're going
out dinner too. This classic you gotta

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do some kind of some kind of
thing. I don't think it has to

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be an out. I also think
sometimes people take advantage of that, where

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they're like, we're doing a Valentine
special. It's only one hundred and fifty

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dollars. Like, I don't think
all that fanfare is necessary, but I

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do think it's delightful to have an
excuse to say we're gonna go and get

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chicken, and then we're doing it
twice, you know. I think it's

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nice to give yourself the reason.
Yeah, we're actually going out on the

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day this year, which we almost
never do. Yeah, we did a

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place where we have to get like
reservations the first day of the month prior,

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so like not not just for like
for any month. You have to

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do it like at midnight the first
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you have to get in. It
fills up immediately. So we got in

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there. Yeah, James Beard places, probably, Yeah, I probably,

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yeah, probably should wear a suit
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prefixed things where there's like twelve people
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you got to get in there.
So yeah, white tablecloths should be good.

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It's very I'm gonna be trying a
lot of food for you wear shoes.

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Yeah, there's no peanuts on the
ground, no peanuts anywhere, No

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one's from the dirt. I specified
white tablecloth. All Mary heard was tablecloth

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for all we know that could be
like the red and white checker and a

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pizza place they got tablecloths. Holy
shit. I got my dad's coming up

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tomorrow as we record this, and
it's like normally when anyone's coming to visit,

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I would want to like take him, like, you know, we

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went and got Juicy Lucy's and you
know, like we went to a nice

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dinner before earth thing. Yeah,
well that's the usual thing, is like

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you bring people out and it's like, let's show you the nice places that

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my current city has to offer.
With my dad, I know it's he

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would just like I mean, honestly
McDonald's every time, he'd be totally fine

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with that, like no interest whatsoever, and like trying anything. I think

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I got him in Juicy Lucy once
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how much it costs or whatever.
So uh so, I guess I'm just

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gonna get bullshit food with him.
We'll go to some tavern, get some

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bar food that should be good for
him. Good for him that could be

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not health wise, but for you
know, his connection with you and his

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enjoyment. It's stupid because we got
to find out where he comes up.

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Every year when I lived in Minnesota, before every Super Bowl, he would

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come up, which is weird for
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it's early February in Minnesota, which
is traditionally a very cold time to be

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here. Second of all, yeah, all I've never given a shit about

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sports really, Like well, as
a kid, I did, but like

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I do, I clearly don't follow
sports nowadays. So like he has a

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sports related thing coming at the most
inconvenient time in Minnesota, it's always very

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very fun. But yeah, I
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it at. You like the sports
his thing is, I can I could

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probably predict who he wants to win
based on stories you've told me. Yeah,

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you probably could. Yeah, he
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He likes to go to Barns.
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as much fun going to a bar
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Part of it is he likes to
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the hometown team loses. He likes
to like cheer against the Chiefs and then

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see people get mad. Yeah.
I don't know why you'd ever just be

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a heel intentionally like that, but
yeah, so he just hates the never

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on Fire escape ever. Yeah yeah, okay, so oh sorry, no,

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no, no, I was gonna
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listening to this the morning after the
super Bowl. We can let's predict right

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now who won twenty one seventeen,
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No. I I think the Chiefs
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me because they annoy me. But
I think you got all your conspiracy theories

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about Taylor Swift, so that makes
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I've been in my prime lately.
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win too. I'm gonna go twenty
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go with the upset chief go with
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I'm gonna say they're both going crazy. Uh twenty eight thirty one?

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Okay, yeah, because that's that's
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know what you mean. But like, technically the forty nine ers are not

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the underdog, but the Chiefs just
win almost swift exactly, Yeah, the

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under dog. Yeah, they've let's
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a blank space in their defense and
the Chiefs are gonna exploit it. Oh

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my god, your writing days are
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it. Wait, the forty nine
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Is that like a Taylor Swift lyric? The Teylorerswift song is called you've

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heard blank Space? I'm sure I
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tell you incredible things, something something
like, oh my god, look at

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that. It looks like my next
mistake. Darling. You're a day dream,

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just like a tom nightmare, dressed
like a daydream. Don't tell me

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when it's over. Gotta go to
this torture. This a song that scene

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in Homolonge The Home Alone Too,
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This is can I talk? Who
should it be? H Well,

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I guess now is as good a
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this tangent or segue will make sense
in like ten minutes. But I start

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a new job, I could talk
about it now. Congratulations. Not an

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editorial, not forward facing anymore.
I think we talked a bit about that

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throughout Buyer Escapes run that sometimes forward
facing stuff as fun as it could be,

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in as great as it could be. As you know, we're rewarding

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as it has been for me for
the last dozen years my whole career.

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Basically, I was just like,
I want to take a step back and

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go behind the scenes. So I
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Minneapolis, but they have New York
and LA branches as well, and they

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travel a lot their consulting research strategy
firm. But we'll be working on the

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games team, as you might imagine
anybody listening who knows Matt Bertz from the

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game and former days he went to
maggod. He's the vice president there.

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But yeah, we'll be working with
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projects they're working on. So see
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while before it comes out. We'll
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comes out, but by and large, just like developer and publisher facing as

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opposed to the audience facing, which
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per se. I'm just like excited
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not be the journalist in the room. Like as much as you get on

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good terms with a lot of developers
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of the day, your relationship it's
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Man, it's surprising to see you
do this because I know you've historically,

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you know, lived and died by
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know, just your engagement online and
social media, so like, without that,

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I don't know how you're going to
survive. Man, I don't know

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what are you going to do without
an online presence. At least you get

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to stay on fire Escape where you
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I'm going to be here every other
week as normal. Sorry to those of

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you who sorry, we'll get to
that later. But we were talking about

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home alone too, and I work
with an incredible team. Yeah, but

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you mentioned Hummel on two and it
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Mary. Uh. You know,
it's like you've been smooching with everybody

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cheeks bony Bob Cliff. I work
with a guy named Cliff who's awesome,

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like like a great dude, but
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just hear his name in my head
is Cliff Cliff. I'll tell him.

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I'll tell him in a couple of
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a fire escape such a good line. They could be sitting around a boardroom

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right now, like all like you
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just like you know, gauging whether
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Yeah, I hope not. Week
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So okay, great. I don't
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Like people that I have I'm meeting
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escape, and I'm always like,
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as like we don't do it around. I definitely like sent them stuff to

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listen to, like the higher ups
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episode did you send him? Because
there's once I would not send anyway.

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The Game of the Year is probably
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I sent them conversation where we almost
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I said, well, last year
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them last Yeah, I sent them
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when I railed on Disney adults for
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company loved that. I went off
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I mean, you work for adults, so I assume they would understand

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every single adults perspective on Disney Adults. Gave me a bonus right there when

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they heard how fair the fair criticisms
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get to that. We got some
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going great. It's already. It's
nice to step back from the getting my

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byline on sites and whatnot. But
yeah, I'm excited to be working on

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projects and then seeing those come to
fruition once I'm like playing a game,

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which is super cool to think about. I'm not saying I'm in development,

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but I'll be working like partnering with
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instead of critiquing it for the public, you're critiquing it for them so they

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can have a better product, which
is really exciting. And it's also in

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the underbelly, so nobody really gets
to probably see your work. Will you

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get credits in a game or not? No, we all of our stuff

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is NDA for the most part.
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like Alan Wake had had consultants in
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I've seen it happen. Yeah.
Cool, maybe that's funny. Like come

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Game of the Year time, if
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game, I'll have to recuse myself. Oh yeah, I basically I imagine

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X game comes up and it's like
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It's like, oh, actually I
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I have to recuse myself. Basically
I toted this whole game, kind of

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like I said hi to one coder
when we visit the studio. So I'm

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out of here. I gotta They're
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cables, so I'll probably be showing
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Really for every game slip Jake Benjamin
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It does work. Yeah, Jake's
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people for our little jokes we could
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As the first week of work,
I'm very present and not tired. Now.

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Yeah, it's going great. I
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that it's going well for you,
and it's always very exciting. I was

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telling you before I started recording,
it's if if nothing else, it takes

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a lot of guts to start a
new job when you have been doing something

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similar for over a decade. Your
job has not always been it's just straight

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up games journalism, but it has
been in the same family for most of

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your career, if not all.
And the idea to see do you jump?

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Like sure, it's in games.
This is a totally different wheelhouse,

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different expectations. You probably have to
like completely relearn job function and how to

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succeed. Is scary, and I
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it takes takes a lot of guts
and you're you're doing it so good for

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you. I was terrified to jump, you know, even just to twitch,

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and that was still very similar to
what I did before. But it's

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very scary. Yeah, no,
I'm looking forward to see you Moore.

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It's funny when I visit Minneapolis,
I'll probably have more workwise to talk about

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with Bianca now than Dan. Oh
sure, not shared projects, but like

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just the job. Yeah, I
can't wait to learn all those secret nda

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exclusive things you're not allowed to talk
about. And oh god, would be

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that's part of the deal, right, people would be repelling from the roof

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and choke holding me. Are you
know those like little canes that like yank

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people off of the stage when their
dance is bad like that? You like

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vaudeville thing, right? Yeah?
Yeah, but you also get fire and

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then killed. And then they like
seventeen lawyers appear at my parents' house for

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some reason crash in. Are you
going to be You're gone? With them

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being based in Minneapolis, are you
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I don't think Minneapolis will be somewhere
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much like that's the headquarters, the
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New York presence. Okay, So
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but there's also like other travel involved, So that's exciting. I'm excited to

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be traveling for work again. But
it's not like, yeah, there's a

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higher chance I'll be out there than
there was before this job for sure.

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Sure. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Do you know anybodys in Minneapolis?

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Yeah no, not too much.
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Thank you. Yeah, it's exciting. I'm glad that we had another job

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change during the history of this podcast
and we made sure that we can keep

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doing this podcast. How many have
there been job changes? I think it

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was me and you. Mary has
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I changed, and I do remember
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I had that like why are you
calling me? Don't call me or somebody

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like calling is usually negative, Like
usually if you text me, it's like,

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hey, we're all going to get
together x y Z. You should

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calm, or like, hey,
this cool thing happened. Check out this

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link to something dumb that I ate. But like calling me, don't Yeah,

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Grandpappy die, that's creepy. Yeah, don't ever call someone. Mike

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m that's what you have me in
your phone as what do you want me

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to do? Call you? Fucking
Mike Matthews calls you and suddenly whole last

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names there. Jake is in my
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my favorite in turn and I never
changed. Oh, I'll change your name.

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Alex Newhouse listens to this podcast.
Do you want him to know that?

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Does he know that already? Yeah? Everybody knows. I love Alex

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Newhouse. I want him to know
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my favorite intern. He just is. You're allowed to have favorites, Okay.

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Mike was our favorite a game informer, and you can. You can

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have lots of people that you like, really like a lot of people.

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Alex Newhouse was my favorite. Alex
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Jake, right, I'm not I'm
not a fan. I'm just joking.

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I love Jake. I'm just joking, God joking. Jake's uh well,

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we probably actually can't talk about Jake's
going away night from Game Spot as an

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intern we went out. Was that
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gone at that point, right,
This was early on when he left as

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an intern with me before he was
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it was fun talk about that after
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that, like looking forward to I
got a bunch of travel coming up,

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being Puerto Rico for the first time
ever. For a wedding in March,

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in and out. We're going two
weeks flights are it's March and Puerto Rico

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from New York is like high demand? Is it expensive? Or? I

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was like wondering what they're called destination
weddings? Right, Like, I was

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wondering what the pluses and minuses of
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question. So she is Puerto Rican
but they her and her fiance live in

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Seattle. Is it still a destination
wedding if you're going back to like where

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you're from, and I believe she
has family there still, so it's a

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destination wedding for all of us.
But like it's going home? Is at

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a house? Uh No, it's
it's in like old town San Juan.

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because you have to go to like
a holiday destination in order to observe the

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wedding experience. Something about like an
island screams destination wedding to me, you

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know. But yeah, yeah,
going back home that does kind of mudy

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the waters. But yeah, oh
my gosh, what a cool experience.

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It's only we're in two nights.
But yeah, like March being the worst

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weather in New York all year is
everybody wants to go to places like that,

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so tickets are nuts. So coming
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to a Saturday. But then we've
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Pennsylvania wedding in May, but then
we're going to Hawaii. I'm going for

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the first time in October for a
wedding that's a destination wedding, beating the

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you guys have met Brad, my
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to get to Hawaii, so they're
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I've never been in Hawaii either.
So then I'm also traveling a couple

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places for work that I've never been, So like this year, I think

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I will be busy well throughout the
year. I'll probably buy this. By

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the end of this year, I
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I've never set foot before in the
world, which is cool. I don't

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think I know four is not that
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I haven't traveled for work in a
whiles are always like either like, okay,

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we're just flying the West coast or
we're going upstate or something. Yeah,

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that's so memorable and exciting to be
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really get to always cram in a
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it doesn't mean it's not extremely special, So I think that's probably a really

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cool experience for you. I have
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party and they're having it in Hawaii, and half of me was like,

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how cool that you have an excuse
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like do this bachelorette party. And
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how dare she make everyone pay for
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couldn't decide if I liked it or
hated it. Is it separate from the

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wedding or is it like part of
the city the bat Yeah, it's a

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lot. Where's the wedding that I
said, where's the wedding going to be

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Russia? No, let's just say
California. Let's just say new to California.

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that is quite an expensive ask.
I'd say, it's not mine, right,

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like I'm not even I'm not involved. Friend of my name? We

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nice, I mean, I'll name
myself. We asked you to fly to

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New York and then drive out too
long as it was great. It was

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great, but it was there at
the time though, that wasn't you wast

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an average friend, I would have
been like, this is a huge ask,

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Like you are like such an important
part of my life, Like it

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would be crazy to not go to
New York to see you. Plus you

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got to show me like your favorite
bars, like we got to see uh

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the Statue of Liberty, made a
huge event out of it. I mean

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everything was worth Yeah I'm talking about
the Bachelor Bachelorette in Long Island. Oh

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that was worth it too. It
was fun. It was great, Like

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I wouldn't train and change for the
world. But like also, like you

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know, we're like, hey,
just crash with us and then we'll drive

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just get to New York and then
we'll take care of the rest. That

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was very nice of you. Your
logistics are on point. I think about

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these things now as an adult who
has to like make decisions about how we

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get people places and whether or not
the party is worth it. I got

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invited to this was like four years
ago. I gotten invited to a wedding

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in England. It was a huge
deal, Like I would have loved to

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go, but they they didn't have
shuttles and stuff like that, so I

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would have had to rent a car
and drive a car from like the airport,

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London airport whatever to like a cottage
that I would have had, I

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don't know, And I would have
had to rent a cottage and then go

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to this wedding. And I just
thought to myself, that's a lot of

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this can be like eight thousand.
Like by the time I was done,

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I was like, this is gonna
be like probably not eight probably like five

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thousand dollars for me to show up
and be there for three days. And

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I didn't go. I kind of
still feel guilty about it. But you

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have to make really tough decisions about
people's weddings, Like you can't go to

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all of them. It's expense.
You have to go to weddings. Yeah,

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especially in that like that period of
like it's generally like your thirties where

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everyone's getting married and doing it.
Yeah, twenties, it's rare, Like

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I wonder if it's generational, because
like my parents, like everyone was getting

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married in their twenties, and now
I think our gen it's mostly thirties,

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Like you're like going a little further
before you're getting taken that big dip.

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I'm a little bit more financially stable
than I was in my twenties, but

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in your thirties, most of the
time you're either saving up for a mortgage

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or now you have a mortgage,
and that's like pretty legit too. So

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in my twenties, I vividly remember
when I was living in San Francisco,

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I always had a little stockpile,
like a tiny stockpile of like eight hundred

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dollars so that if I got invited
to a wedding or one of my family

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members died, I could go.
And this is like dark, but it

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was always like I can only pick
one, So if someone's getting married,

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I'm not going to that funeral,
and if someone dies, I can't go

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to the wedding. And I did
abide by that, Like I had a

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very strict like I got like one
trip in me per year type situation.

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You just have to ask people to
please schedule their weddings and deaths. I

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always do. Yeah, I'm always
like, listen, Grandpa. Yeah,

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I know you're feeling a little rough. Just hang on, give it a

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couple of months. I gotta go
to Hawaii. Party is in Hawaiian I

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gots to go. I got to
be there. Whatever, Just hang on.

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Debbie says, I gots to go
to Honolulu. She also says,

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you got to hold off on that
stroke that Really I don't get that.

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It is true that that is what
I did, and I don't think that's

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crazy. I think that is like
the types of decisions you make in your

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life in order to, I don't
know, protect your tiny little nest egg

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that you hopefully grow over a decade
of working or whatever. But it took

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me, took me years to be
able to have a more solid nest egg

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that now I don't have to decide
between terrible tragedy and joyous union. Now

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I can have both. But I
I just couldn't have that for years.

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And I still think about that as
like a bummer choice, but just a

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total reality of like my situation,
especially like all of us that live well,

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I mean, Mike's pretty close,
but like you know, Mary,

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you and I live far away from
where we're up, So yeah, that's

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right, especially when you're trying to
figure out, like, Okay, do

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I go back for Thanksgiving and Christmas
like a few weeks apart, and you

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know, flights are six hundred dollars
for each one, and it's like you

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gotta And then there's deaths or surprise
things that happened, or there's a graduation

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or something you gotta go back for, and it makes it tough. You

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gotta pick and choose. You also
have to think about like other things that

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could happen in your life that you
just might want to see, you know,

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Dan, Like for us who don't
live near our hometowns. I have

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nieces now and they're growing up and
like eventually, not immediately, but eventually

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they're going to graduate from like high
school and stuff. I want to go

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to that high school graduation, like
I want to be there for like they're

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my One of my nieces plays hockey
and she's quite good, and she went

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to reals and I was like,
I want to see this girl score a

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goal and hockey and like root for
her. I was super excited for that.

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And so now I'm making I'm saving
money for just fun family events to

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cheer on my loved ones. But
that's a huge trip all the way to

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North Carolina just to see Oh god, I don't know what they are.

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Let's just say it's the Wildcats versus
Wildcats in the final and I want to

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do it. So now I have
like different goals and ambitions, but I'll

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always want to like save up money
for that cross country trip to be there.

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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, like my sister is going to

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have a daughter, and so I'm
going to have a niece on I've got

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nephews on Bonk side, but this
is gonna be my first niece or nephew.

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It's a big deal. Yeah,
So it's like I'm trying to figure

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out. You know, the kid's
probably gonna come the summer, and it's

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like, well do I when the
kid's born? Do I come down?

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Or it's gonna be like a fucking
blob right like like blob. If you

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did it, it would not be
for the blob. It would be for

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your sister who actually might really appreciate
like seeing a friendly face. You could

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help support in some way. But
if you're a burden in any way,

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you're not doing anyone any favors,
but if you're there to like emotionally assist

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and be there to help her relax, I think that it would be meaningful

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for her. Well, mainly she'll
get to get drunk again and play Mario

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party. So we didn't get to
do that over the holidays, So I

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think you know the important family stuff. I think so yes, because also

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like in that part, and I
can't speak for any mother because I am

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not one, and I don't know, but it would be my assumption that

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it would be very nice to remember
things that were really valuable to you before

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that. Right after having a kid, you can sometimes struggle remembering what it

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was like to feel like before and
have that sense of humanity back. So

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I bet that'd be really nice for
you to do that for her. I

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think that would be meaningful. I
got a fun bit I'm doing with her

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now when I go home, is
I act like I can. Like she

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talks about how you know, it's
like I got thrown up and all this

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stuff and oh boy, you know, and I'm like, hey, I

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get it, I get it.
It's gonna be nine months of this invisil

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line and it's like I after I
eat, I gotta brush my teeth after

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every meal. I totally get what
you're going through right now. It's a

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fun bit. I do that with
my sister in law, deal with you.

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My sister in law finds hilarious when
I do it to my brother when

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I compare having cats to raising kids. Yeah, God, totally get it.

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Responsibility. Scratch the bed for like
a few seconds at three am.

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Oh my god, same thing.
It's Daisy screams at me for cookies at

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like four pm when I'm just settling
in for my like late lunch, Yaku's

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session. You have no idea,
you you have it easy. Oh you're

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You're fucking My niece pooped her pants
seven times, has raging diarrhea, and

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00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.799
you have to create it up because
she's not capable grow up. I don't

407
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.920
have my eighth party member yet,
and Daisy just wants cookies. Welcome ran

408
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.920
in from the outside, and I
didn't have a chance to wipe his pities,

409
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.519
and he tracked mud all over the
fourier. It is a mess in

410
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.640
there. We like when you tell
them how they should raise kids and how

411
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.880
they should parent when you don't have
kids. That's a crowd pleaser. Just

412
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.400
give him a beer, he'll be
quiet. You gotta do. Just tell

413
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.319
them to be quiet and just to
go to bed. Yeah, what's the

414
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:36.359
hard thing. Oh yeah, I
learned very early to just shut up when

415
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.519
I was young, or not even
try. Well. I never like suggested

416
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.200
how to raise them because I'm a
psychopath. I would not tell anybody how

417
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:47.319
to raise anybody. But yeah,
I remember, yeah, when they're when

418
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.920
the kids are doing like crazy psycho
stuff that I find hilarious, and I'm

419
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.039
like, laugh, I that's what
I'm trying to say. I laugh at

420
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.720
so much the ship they do.
But like it's I find out later it's

421
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.000
something that they've been doing that their
parents are trying to get them to stand

422
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.279
Oh yeah, yeah, like you're
encouraging it. Yeah, And then I

423
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.839
get I get a look from like
my sister, she's like no. I

424
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.400
was like, oh, no,
stop, that's bad. I think back,

425
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.200
my mom must wanted to fucking kill
me because she was a single mom

426
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.599
with uh well, I guess she
was a single mom with me, and

427
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.079
then she got married again and had
two kids, but she was the whole

428
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.359
time she was a waitress, so
she worked with Chili's Macaroni grill and like

429
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.440
the PlayStation would come out and it's
like ninety five and it costs two ninety

430
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.119
nine and be like, Mom,
I really want to PlayStation. I really

431
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.319
want to say. Look this,
it's not kinda like I don't know,

432
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.599
most lawns do whatever. It's like, hold on, mom, how much

433
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.599
how much money do you make in
a night on tips? And she'd be

434
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.160
she could see where this is going
and she'd be like, well, and

435
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.640
I don't remember if it was a
one hundred, one hundred and fifty or

436
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.680
whatever. I'd be like, Mom, you could just work three nights,

437
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.119
just three nights and then I'm gonna
be so but then I'm set. Then

438
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:53.119
I'm good. I've got the PlayStation
forever, like motherfucker. Yes, I

439
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:57.200
mean yeah. When I was young, I definitely like probably said stuff like

440
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:02.440
that. I'm like dad, like
a like, Dad's got a decent job,

441
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.480
right, And they're like, yeah, but you have four other siblings,

442
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.839
some of whom are in college.
I'm like, how expensive is college?

443
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.160
It's not that expensive, right,
And they're like they should have been

444
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.839
smarter. I was like seven when
I said this, Yeah, they should

445
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.319
have been smarter or better athletes.
All our parents should have killed us.

446
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.960
I would have punched the shit out
of me. I all deserve some kind

447
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:27.920
of award just for not you know, yeah yet you know, and shaking

448
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.119
you around a little bit. I
I I know parents get in a lot

449
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.640
of trouble for shaking, but I
think that every once in a while,

450
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:41.759
a little shake of the kid is
you know, warranted. The family calls

451
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.640
are fun when it's like, yeah, there's this bully at school and we

452
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.519
don't really know how to handle it. We're not going to like go to

453
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.599
this is hypothetical for the record,
It's like we don't want to go to

454
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.960
the parents because then, like you
don't want to like them to see that

455
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.640
your kid is like a snitch or
whatever. And then I'm like, I

456
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.279
get it. I've been trying to
perfect this my tie I've been working on

457
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.319
I can't the oor shot right.
It's just not it's overwhelming. And I'm

458
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:11.359
right there with you too much,
ice, But yeah, no, I

459
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.960
like parents are the most impressive thing
ever. I like being a good aunt.

460
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.839
I think that there's value in not
for the record, and I don't

461
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.839
know what will happen to me,
but like I feel like there's also value

462
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:30.359
in not having children and having the
emotional energy for kids, if that makes

463
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:36.359
sense. So like parents can struggle
and need breaks, like any freaking person

464
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:41.400
who is twenty four to seven protecting
and taking care of a human being that's

465
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:47.519
young, and having a person who
doesn't do that in their lives. An

466
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.839
aunt and uncle that has no children
and has more energy than they need to

467
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.559
handle a kid for like twenty four
to forty eight hours is good for both

468
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.839
of them. I'm the best freaking
aunt did see for forty eight hours.

469
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.799
I got the time to have all
the conversations. I will lift her up

470
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.680
and like run around the house.
I will, I will chase her until

471
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.559
she is tired. I have that
time, I have the energy, I

472
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.519
have everything. I can give her
advice and then I'm out, baby,

473
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.839
And it's great for both of us. It really pushes me and like my

474
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:22.240
ability to hang out with her,
But I think it's also really good for

475
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.640
her to be like, why did
that person give me so much attention for

476
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.240
forty eight hours? And it's because
I don't see you all the time,

477
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.440
so I can do it. I
have a clock in like in the back

478
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.480
of my head, and every time
I'm like, oh, this is a

479
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.720
lot. I'm like whatever, I'm
out in twenty four hours. This is

480
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.400
all I have, So I will
I did like the other day, Oh,

481
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.039
I hope my sister dosn't listen to
this podcast. Last time I visited,

482
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.319
my sweet little niece was up way
too late on her phone at like

483
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.319
three in the morning, and I
was coming home from a bar because I'm

484
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.880
a piece of shit, and I
saw her on the phone, like texting

485
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.880
her friends. She was supposed to
be asleep, and I was like yeah,

486
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.039
and I was like, let's look
at TikTok together. And we looked

487
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.319
at tiktoks for like two more hours
together. And she was so dead the

488
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.440
next day and so was I.
But I had this really good excuse because

489
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.000
like I was at the bar all
night and they were like, why she's

490
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:10.839
so tired, and we both looked
at each other and we were like,

491
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.400
tiktime. We had the emotional energy
for each other. And I think that's

492
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.400
really special because you can't do that
with your mom. You can't you can't

493
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.200
stay up until five in the morning
look at tiktoks and then be bad,

494
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.920
you know, like I had that. Maybe I'm looking back at this story,

495
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.440
like, I'm not a very good
person in it, but I think

496
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.519
we bonded over that and I stick
to it. Yeah, I give me

497
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.079
if my sister, you know,
if the kids being a bit too much

498
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.599
and just needs to my sister needs
to just have a calm days. Just

499
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.000
put the baby on a Greyhound.
Seven hours later, it's going to be

500
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.799
here. I will watch the baby
until it shits its pants or something.

501
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.400
I'll put it and then wrap it
up pretty. You know, there's lots

502
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.519
of stay belts and stuff. It's
fine, Fulton Recovery system. The baby

503
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.799
back to Kansas. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Greyhound is cheaper.

504
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.680
Let's let's go ground. I could
not imagine. Have you ever watched a

505
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.519
child unsupported for a period of time, Dan, Like, you know,

506
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.639
a baby unsupported, no friends,
no family helping you, You're alone.

507
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.760
Yeah, I watched baby. I
was alone all the time. I baby

508
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.800
sent my sisters. But I was
eight years older than them. No.

509
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.519
So yeah, but they weren't infants
when I was watching them. You know

510
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.880
I know that. I Yeah,
So the answer is no, did I

511
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.760
every time that when I got fired
as a babysitter? No? Eight fuck?

512
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.880
Okay, this is a two parter. One was probably much worse than

513
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.840
the other. So our next door
neighbors growing up when I was like probably

514
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.679
fourteen fifteen, our next door neighbors
were like three kids, and they were

515
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.920
like two years apart. So let's
say they were like six or seven,

516
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.559
nine and eleven. Let's say,
Kaylee, you'll know the story. And

517
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.079
the youngest kid, you know,
he was a little kid, and he

518
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.320
was just kind of like a scared
kid, you know, as they are,

519
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.840
and they're all scared. The first
thing the mom didn't like about me,

520
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.760
this is before she fired me,
was that I always ate the entire

521
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.960
box of cheese its. So whatever
cheese its were like in the cabinet,

522
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.239
they were fucking gone by the time
she got back from work. The other

523
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:16.920
one was this is probably way worse. I'm probably like fourteen or so,

524
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.079
so uh yeah, probably old enough
to know I shouldn't do this. But

525
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.960
whatever. The kid, the youngest
kid, was like terrified of bees,

526
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:31.480
and so this is I don't sound
good in this story. Gone. We

527
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:35.000
go to walk to the pool.
There was like a neighborhood pool, and

528
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.480
we're walking down there and I just
start going, I'm walking behind the three

529
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.440
of them, we got our towels
and stuff, and there's a bee on

530
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.440
your neck. There's a on your
neck. And he freaked the fuck out,

531
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.599
screaming, crying, running, just
full, you know, just the

532
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:58.400
whole money. Yeah, And we
didn't wind up going to the pool because

533
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.960
he was so freaked out and he
told his mom and his mom was like,

534
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:07.599
what are you doing, Like,
so I'm gonna get them. Yeah,

535
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:14.320
just getting him adjusted to it as
a babysitter a lot. I remember

536
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:19.320
I was always kind of uh,
I think I was too soft, you

537
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.760
know. And I remember like having
a baby. I remember baby seeing kids

538
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.360
after school, a boy and a
girl, and they had friends over and

539
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.719
the friends were like, your house
is so cool and you have like this

540
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.199
really cool roof. You could even
get out on that roof. And I

541
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.760
was like, you could. And
I took out the screen and got out

542
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.400
on the roof and I was like, you can get out here. And

543
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.920
I invited all the kids to get
out on the roof and then I said

544
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.360
eight mm, hey, we probably
shouldn't have kids. And then I said

545
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.400
all right, everybody get back in
the house. I monitored them on the

546
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:52.599
roof and then I said get in
the house. And I put the screen

547
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:57.400
back on and I said, don't
tell your parents, and they were like,

548
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.960
you got it. And we all
had a good time. And then

549
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.360
the next day mom that we put
us on the wolf. My mom took

550
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.000
me aside and said, so,
my neighbors saw all of the children on

551
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.400
the roof yesterday. It was an
army of children of the room. And

552
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.800
I was like, but I was
also on the roof. And she was

553
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.119
like, don't ever let the children
on the roof. And I was like,

554
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:22.000
got it, Yes, understood.
I still babysat them for like another

555
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.960
two years. I got away with
murder. Oh well, yeah, we

556
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.519
No, I didn't actually murder them, but yeah, I think I got

557
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:32.599
away with a lot. I was
babysitting is a scam. I don't think

558
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.960
it paid really well now for it? Oh yeah no, if I well,

559
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.719
there's like like fifty dollars an hour
or something. I got paid seven

560
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:45.920
dollars an hour after school to watch
them for about two hours, and I

561
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:53.039
basically watched Pokemon and we would make
milkshakes and I just feel like I had

562
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:58.039
fun and watch TV. And then
I got paid, Like it's way better

563
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:05.320
than like we're a cash register.
I think they had five dollars for an

564
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.280
hour for babysitting. But I was
also making five to fifteen an hour working

565
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.960
my minimum wage jobs at the time, So it's like it's one of you

566
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.039
might sit on a couch and watch
TV. Yeah, you're playing with like

567
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.400
slock cars. Yeah, it's not
a hard job and as long as you

568
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.920
can like deal with them. Sometimes
I had to help them with their homework,

569
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.880
but other than that, I feel
like I didn't exercise one brain cell.

570
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:30.880
No, yeah, which is ideal. Fifteen sixteen years. We're like

571
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.000
we try to be the cool aunt
uncle from Afar. We have a lot

572
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:39.039
of nieces and nephews, so end
cards. That's the cards, money cards,

573
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.639
oh with money. Yeah, Like, well we've been trying to get

574
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.400
the money for their birthdays. I
don't want to do that. There are

575
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.760
a money a dozen of them,
so like literally twelve. So we're like

576
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.079
telling you cash is king, Well
they're not. I think some of them

577
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.199
are getting old enough I can give
them cash, but like I still enjoy

578
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.920
gift giving. So I'm like,
all right, I got her a gift.

579
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.119
Oh shit, there are three more
birthdays coming up, and I like

580
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:07.719
we were like I was like all
right, I'm gonna commit to getting mall.

581
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.599
I put all their birthdays on my
calendar, like I'm gonna start remembering

582
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.440
all of them because I always got
super excited when I saw, like my

583
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:20.039
uncle Dick's emails got work in the
mailbox or sorry, let cards were in

584
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.760
the mailbox. But yeah, it
cascades because like there's a shit ton of

585
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:30.840
March birthdays and then a lot of
September birthdays. It all clumps up.

586
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.480
I'm like, wow, how many
this is? The nephews? Do you

587
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.079
have? Like a no, a
literal dozen with twelve? There are eleven

588
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.519
on my shide, one on Amanda's. I had an ant who gave me

589
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.840
the amount of cash at age I
was, and I remember always being irritated

590
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.920
by that because it's like, what
am I gonna do with nine dollars?

591
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.880
You're going to be fucking flush when
you're ninety, though, you're gonna be

592
00:39:52.920 --> 00:40:00.800
flat cash. Wait, I can't
wait for my ninetieth that's gonna be sick.

593
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:07.119
I'm gonna be there. Let's go
buy some fucking jaegermeister. Put it

594
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.039
in your that bag on your hip, however it works, you're in your

595
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:21.800
catheter. Get some in your reverse
catheter. I'll show you how. It's

596
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:27.559
like a little switch and all of
a sudden it's gone from into your Penis's

597
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:34.119
awful. God, ye try it, yeah, you know, just like

598
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.159
accidentally, like flip the switch.
No, don't do it. That's the

599
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:46.960
sound. Yeah, he's Drowning's drowning
in his own yeager, piss sorry hen

600
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.480
you were saying, Oh, I
was gonna say, I think my grandpa

601
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.480
was trying to teach me a lesson, Like I think he like I was

602
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.239
a little little kid, and he
was always big on the money lessons.

603
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.639
And he had me do something that
I'll pay you five dollars. Danny helped

604
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.239
me with this driveway thing or whatever, and I would do it and you'd

605
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.400
give me the five dollars, and
he goes, you know what you do

606
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.840
now, Danny, you take this. And I can't remember if his first

607
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.079
advice it was one of the two, because he gave me both pieces of

608
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.519
advice constantly. You put this in
a savings account, you don't touch it.

609
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.239
By the time you're you know,
twenty five, you know that's gonna

610
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.599
be worth fifty dollars. Ords you
go get a certificate of deposit you're gonna

611
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:21.280
go to the bank and you get
a CD and you can't take it out,

612
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.239
and but you know it's gonna be
worth nine dollars when you're twenty and

613
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.199
when you're a like eight year old, the idea of like, I have

614
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.119
this money, I would like to
go get bubble gum and X Men cards,

615
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.039
and he's like, oh no,
put it away for twenty years.

616
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:37.280
What the hell are you talking?
Absolutely not, I'm going to blow this

617
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.119
on licorice and like one of those
sticky hands that will annoy the shit out

618
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.159
of it. Yeah, the best
invention. And you're one of those giant

619
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.480
gobstoppers at the bowling alley that like
you can can't eat in one sitting,

620
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.199
and you put it in your pocket
and geinst the lint all over it,

621
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.880
the white ones with the primary color
flex all over them. Uh huh.

622
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.320
I mean that's a better investment than
regular gum, which is literally no good

623
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:05.400
after thirty seconds. Yeah, those
giant jaw breakers mm hmm. I think,

624
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.920
yeah, those were investments you could
have. You could I oh yeah,

625
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.320
because like you couldn't finish one in
one sitting, so we had like

626
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:16.840
put in a ziploc bag in between
us. I mean appreciating assets, joy

627
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.960
it multiple times. I don't think
they make those anymore. I can't imagine

628
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.440
they do. Think we're stupid.
Then when it's small enough to clog someone's

629
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.199
throat, wouldn't that be any candy? Those? But those you can't just

630
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.159
like they're not going to dissolve like
gummy candy or I guess a lot of

631
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:39.320
hard skittle, small enough chok on
skittle? You you were just meant to

632
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:45.400
go? Yeah, you might as
well be eating like a rock with a

633
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:50.760
cop stopper. Someone's probably died by
skittle. This sick hitman assassination. James

634
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.280
Bond put it in in the game
You guys want talk about video games?

635
00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.400
Sure, you guys. It's so
nice getting some wine shipped right to your

636
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.599
There's something about being able to expand
the tastes that you have instead of ordering

637
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.880
the same thing over and over and
over again. I love getting different types

638
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.320
of wine sent to me, Mike, what have you been drinking? So

639
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.920
first leaf after several shipments, But
if you want to sign up for a

640
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.960
new one, it'll ask your taste. It'll say, like, hey,

641
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.320
do you like coffee? Do you
like mushrooms? Do you like some like

642
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:23.679
almonds. Do you like bitter stuff
and you can give a thumbs up or

643
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:29.880
thumbs down. It'll curate your box. Lately, I've been trying more Chilean

644
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.599
wines, so I got a Carmonair
and then I also got a Pino noire

645
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.800
from Chili, which is not as
acidic as you might be getting from France,

646
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:38.880
which is new to me, but
it was great because we had some

647
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.760
with a steak we made and I
would not normally pare a pinour at steak,

648
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.559
but it was like really full bodied. It was nice. I would

649
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.719
not have gotten that wine if it
weren't for First Leaf sending it straight to

650
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.599
me. So it helps me be
adventurous. And also fire Escape listeners can

651
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.639
try it out too, Dan tell
them how that's right, Mike, try

652
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.199
something new to this year with first
Leaf. Go to try first leaf dot

653
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.920
com slash fire Escape to sign up
and you'll get your first six hand curated

654
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.039
bottles for just forty four dollars and
ninety five cents. That's t R y

655
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:13.199
F I R S t l e
A F dot com slash fire Escape.

656
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.519
Try first leave dot com slash fire
Escape. What have you guys been playing

657
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.239
I think it looks like we've all
been at least attempting, uh to get

658
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.039
to try Hell Divers, which is
pretty cool. I played the tutorial today.

659
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.360
I played one hour. I played
about an hour, maybe a little

660
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.599
more. I played a utorial and
then another bug mission and then a robot

661
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.719
automaton mission. No solo or because
I don't really I didn't play a lot

662
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.119
of the first one. I didn't
know if that was an option. Okay,

663
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:47.480
I do think it's it's worth prefacing
if anyone hasn't played Hell Divers one

664
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.719
that came out. We were at
game Spot and it was a moment.

665
00:44:53.079 --> 00:45:00.360
It's this game so much fun to
play with other people. And I played

666
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.639
the ever living shit at a Hell
Divers one with like this was like Chris

667
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:08.599
Waters era, this was Eric Tay. We were like living it up playing

668
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:15.480
Hell Divers, like barely scraping by
bugs, clamoring at your feet, you're

669
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.440
shooting them, You're walking backwards,
shooting as fast as you can, You're

670
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.239
throwing grenades, you're screaming because the
ship is like still thirty seconds away.

671
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.559
And it says it's like ship is
thirty seconds in counting, and you're like,

672
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.880
I'm not gonna make it. There's
too many fucking bugs and it's it

673
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.159
was so much fun. We absolutely
adored this game and had a really cool

674
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.360
concept. I assume this one does
it too, where like the bugs on

675
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.079
the map are encroaching on Super Earth
and you have to fight them back,

676
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.800
and it's not just about you.
What's cool about the Hell Diver's concept is

677
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.559
it takes into account all the players
all over the world, and every time

678
00:45:54.599 --> 00:46:01.400
you win a mission, it helps
push the bugs back. Asynchronous multiple is

679
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:07.599
the word, and so like all
these people that are doing their own missions

680
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:12.840
on their own time in like other
countries all over the world are all helping

681
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.760
push the bugs back. But is
there an end state? Like to what

682
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:22.239
end? Yeah, actually win against
the bugs? Well doesn't existity, Yeah,

683
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:24.480
so to zoom out really quick.
The twenty fifteen game was a top

684
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:30.840
down twin stick shooter, different extraction
shooter, which that's like becoming this big

685
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:31.840
thing the different studios trying to do. So it was kind of ahead of

686
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:36.800
its time in that way. This
one has come down to a third person

687
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.360
over the shoulder, but everything else
is pretty similar. Yeah, Mary,

688
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.079
like Marys, You're on the bridge
of your ship and you're looking at the

689
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.360
fronts in the war against the bugs
and the robots, and yeah, you're

690
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.039
trying to set up this array to
keep them out. But yeah, it's

691
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:55.960
like this collective multiplayer where yeah,
you're jumping into a mission with friends,

692
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.360
but you can also send an SOS
flare if you're like, holy shit,

693
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:05.000
I have a lot of resources and
I just I'm about to complete a mission

694
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.960
that one person should not have been
able to complete. I'm going to send

695
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.960
an SOS player to hopefully get some
random to it. Prioritizes your mission,

696
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.239
so a random could be like search
SOS is or whatever. I don't know

697
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:16.320
how that works yet. I've only
been on the receiving end. I've thrown

698
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.480
an SOS player. Someone joined me. It was really cool. I don't

699
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.000
know who they were. They jump
in or they fall down. If you

700
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.519
played Halo two, you know,
like what hell the ODST troopers are or

701
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.039
ODST to dedicate a game, they
drop in and yeah, like Titan Fall

702
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.480
two, even you're you know,
you're heading the drop ship at the very

703
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.920
end, but there's various objectives you
can be doing the whole time. But

704
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.800
yeah, once you finish a mission, will say you contributed zero percent to

705
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.559
the war effort on this front.
And then yeah, the idea being that

706
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.639
people are collectively fighting them back across
and you can win and you can lose.

707
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.159
That's what I think is really neat
is like overtime. Yeah, what

708
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:59.239
happened in the first game when that
ended? Didn't they just like reset the

709
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.920
world every single months? Yeah,
but like it was every few months,

710
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.400
so like, yeah, you and
so like if the if the robots win,

711
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:07.360
we die, and then it's like
you fucking failed. You should have

712
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.519
fought harder for America, bitch,
And then it like resets and the war

713
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.000
is back on. But it's really
exciting to be on the brink of defeat

714
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.760
or on the brink of success.
And it's not just about your mission.

715
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:25.280
It's about collectively all the different players
all across the world, all collectively putting

716
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.440
in and and I also think it
goes with their vibe. I think something

717
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.400
that's really interesting about this game that's
worth talking about is it's what is it

718
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:37.519
called starfield like that, uh,
Starships Starship Troopers vibe. The first thing

719
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.159
I thought of, oh yeah,
yeah, the first one was light Starship

720
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.079
Troopers. This they're leaning in.
I was going to ask that because before

721
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.559
the tutorial they air that thing and
it is the most it's like propaganda,

722
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.719
like you know, saluting the souldier
walking down the street. Like it's extremely

723
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.559
Starship Trooper. The first game aesthetically
was fairly uh it wasn't cel shaded,

724
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.320
but it was kind of cartoonish,
but there was definitely Starship Trooper vibes there.

725
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:04.199
But oh yeah, this one fuck
they said it's I laughed pretty loudly

726
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.800
at several points in the first hour, but yeah, it's very like patriotism.

727
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:14.280
Oh, she's like, suck on
some liberty and then on liberty.

728
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:19.320
They keep using like those like iconic
terms, uh to to just remind you

729
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.800
that this is all for the nation. In fact, there's a quick button

730
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:24.800
to salute. And I think that's
really funny because what I was like,

731
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.159
Yeah, when I was doing my
very first mission and we killed a bug,

732
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:31.920
the person who joined me on the
mission just went right up to the

733
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.920
bug and went, suck it for
liberty. And it's just like a really

734
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:44.199
funny it's comedic, but it really
is littered throughout the entire game that you

735
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.960
are upon in a machine that is
essentially saying like go out there and kill

736
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:54.480
these bugs for freedom, and it
can rile you up. It's cheeky,

737
00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:00.719
but it does work, and it
makes me want to do my part and

738
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.679
be a part of something greater for
uh, you know, for my nation.

739
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:07.920
And it's just a it's a funny, tongue in cheek thing. But

740
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.000
yeah, anyone who watches when you
get this game and you watch the opening

741
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.920
sequence, it's just so it's so
funny to like watch your whole family die

742
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.800
and be like, no liberty.
I found like a little money. I

743
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.119
found a journal entry on a planet
that's like, completing this mission will drastically

744
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.639
decrease the chance of child dismemberment.
So get out there, get out there.

745
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.719
I don't it's I'm liking it so
far, and it generally feels good.

746
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:45.639
I've found that like it's got one
of those input I can't remember.

747
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.239
The first game controlled so smoothly,
but again, I might just be looking

748
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.880
at through rose tinted glasses. But
this game has that thing where it's like,

749
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.679
if I'm sprinting at all, they'll
like parkour over an edge. I

750
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:01.159
went to a planet with robots where
it was all craggy and ravines and whatnot.

751
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.039
So like I kept jumping up,
robots shoot at you. The whole

752
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.679
part with robots is like the more
you shoot them, the less accurate They'll

753
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:14.280
become kind of like suppressing fire in
a way. But like you'll be taking

754
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:19.039
cover sometimes against the robots. And
if I was like sprinting into cover and

755
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.679
then went to duck, it would
first register that I was sprinting, and

756
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.400
I would just climb up on top
of the cover and they shot me more.

757
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.679
I'm like, this is kind of
like Assassin's Creed three era stickiness.

758
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:35.400
I also, it's also worth noting
if it wasn't obviously people hadn't been paying

759
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.760
attention, like I hadn't very much
a live service part of when you go

760
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.519
back to the ship, you go
into this like marketplace and there's three or

761
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:50.800
four different kinds of currencies. Not
to like sound like the old grumpy guy

762
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.360
that is a bit of a bummer. I don't know, ire the warframe

763
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:59.119
guy. I know, yeah that's
true. Well wow, it's very true,

764
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.920
but that you can all I think. Maybe I'm just looking at it

765
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.639
as compared to the first game,
which is so Arcade twin Stick, and

766
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:12.440
I get it, Like what was
the house mark when they made Alienation next.

767
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.440
Monking was the last one. The
one before that was kind of like

768
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.280
hell Divers, like Twin six Shooter
Diablo esque, but they were like,

769
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:21.760
you make these arcade esque like double
A games, people don't buy them as

770
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.599
much. So I get what they're
doing with this, and I'm having fun

771
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.559
so far, but like it's the
minutia. I keep like again, I'm

772
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.599
getting stuck to objects I want to
climb. What else is going on?

773
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:39.000
The aiming mechanic is I don't think
I've played anything like it before. You

774
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:44.320
have a radical which is like two
white lines and a circle in the middle,

775
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:51.280
but then to simulate your character getting
like jostled around, the laser site

776
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.519
will also have a circle around it, and the laser sight, from what

777
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:58.280
I gather, is the true where
the bullet's gonna hit. Okay, so

778
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.639
you have the dical to shoot in
the general direction of an enemy, but

779
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:05.320
all the while, if you're like
ducking and then standing up, the laser

780
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.880
sights kind of bouncing around, And
so I get again what it's doing.

781
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.280
I have not gotten used to it
yet, but it's got the red X

782
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.000
when you kill something. Yeah,
I want to keep playing it. I

783
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.880
also love. You get thrown right
into the action. It's a fun fairy

784
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.199
dewey. Yeah, they want you
to go out there. I think it's

785
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:29.559
wonderful for co op. Something that's
important is that I think it's usually three,

786
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.719
three people playing together. It wasn't
the first game. Is that The

787
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.920
way it is this time too is
usually? Oh yes, I should know

788
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.440
this because I think we're planning a
four player co ops stream of this on

789
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:43.960
drying Bombed Brow. It was really
fun. But it's three. I need

790
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.599
to I'm looking it up. Go
up four? Now, well it's four.

791
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.480
The first game was three, so
that's great. That's a good increase.

792
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.760
Playing with your buds to defeat bugs
is really fun and it does require

793
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.920
good co op, and they put
you in situations where co op is necessary.

794
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.320
First sample, first game also was
four, but maybe you just played

795
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:07.519
with oh plaid with three. I
swear it was three, but maybe it's

796
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.840
because I'm thinking of Alienations people.
Alienation was three and it looked a lot

797
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.119
like the first game. All right, I mean, I believe you my

798
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:21.639
uh my memory of this, but
I in in this one. It's really

799
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.400
nice to essentially have computer moments where
you have someone has to be on the

800
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:30.039
terminal. And you probably saw this
in the tutorial and this was just like

801
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.199
this in the first game, but
you operating a terminal is using the D

802
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.000
pad. It that's great. Hey, you really got to put in the

803
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.039
code here and the code is up
down, left, right, right,

804
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.400
right, sixth you know whatever,
and I like that. It's fun.

805
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:49.360
You have to concentrate on the terminal, but there's bugs swarming the area,

806
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:54.119
which means your friends have to protect
your body. And then sometimes whilst you're

807
00:54:54.480 --> 00:55:00.199
doing something with a terminal, little
say the pipes are stuck or there there's

808
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.679
something wrong with the interior. We
need you to clear it out before we

809
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.000
can finish. And so it requires
teamwork for you to be able to do

810
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:08.920
these missions. And then once you
do the mission, you have to hit

811
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.719
the extraction zone. The extraction zone, you get to the zone and then

812
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.920
you say pick me up. Takes
two minutes for you to get picked up,

813
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:21.480
and that's when the bugs come crazy
at you and you have to basically,

814
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.079
like last stand for two minutes.
It's really exciting because like if one

815
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:29.280
of your friends falls, if the
ship comes, which is very left for

816
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.320
dead, right, if the ship
comes, you have to pick them up

817
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.159
or they die on that planet with
all the aliens. So it's like like

818
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:40.239
the pickman dying as you leave.
Oh yeah, the soul leaves the body

819
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:44.840
as they as the monsters like suck
up their guts. No I know I

820
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.360
did. Actually I never left a
man behind, so I wouldn't know.

821
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:52.199
Oh yeah, I'm a really good
soldier. But I suspect it would pull

822
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:57.360
you to ensure that you are getting
everybody on that ship because it feels bad

823
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.239
to allow one of your fellow soldiers
to die. And I think that adds

824
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.880
the camaraderie and the fun and the
ability to salute and all that stuff.

825
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:08.639
It kind of just cohesively works for
it. So I really liked the first

826
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:14.960
game. I am very excited to
continue playing the new one. But yeah,

827
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.800
we'll have to see how it goes. Yeah, it's a I feel

828
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.039
like we're just going to keep seeing
more and more extraction shooters. Deep Rock

829
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.519
Aalactic is still really fucking good.
I don't know if anybody's played that in

830
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.000
a while, but oh my god, I still go back to that game.

831
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.960
That's incredible. Do you play because
I feel like at least me and

832
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.159
you, Mike, I know Marror, you play multiplayer more than we do.

833
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.360
But like Mike, I don't remember
you ever talking about like playing a

834
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.199
lot of multiplayer stuff. Are you
doing that? With deep Rock? They

835
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.320
have added substantial updates to deep Rock
to make Solo very viable. So I

836
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.360
play by myself. Uh, I
play occasionally with other people. No,

837
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:50.599
I played solo, but if people
want to play, I have a I've

838
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.159
made. The more I played that
game, the more I'm like, Okay.

839
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.400
This is like, honestly one of
the pinnacles of Live Service right now.

840
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.480
The way that you can keep you
basically can prestige your character. Then

841
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.519
you keep getting so much like funny, like charming, colorful gear. But

842
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:08.440
there's so many different activities that all
feel like their own game mode, as

843
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.280
opposed to just like, oh right, I gotta go grind out a daily.

844
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:14.199
It's like, no, like I'm
in the mood to do some like

845
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.159
the Horde defense. I'm just I
want to do something slightly more boring and

846
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.440
autopilot to not boring autopilot today,
that's just more satisfying. They add new

847
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:27.320
events. It's like, oh,
these bugs have invaded this biome type,

848
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.519
so you're gonna have to fight them
every while, and there's a new objective

849
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:36.320
type that not all of them are
super well designed, but it's always just

850
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:38.000
usually a lot of thought put into
it. But yeah, that's just my

851
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.079
deep rochalactic plug. That game is
great. But Lethal Company is an extraction

852
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.840
game. It's not a shooter,
but it might as well be extraction game.

853
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:47.639
I just feel like, you know, Marathon, what Bungee's working on

854
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:52.320
is. I feel like that will
trigger even more extraction shooters. I get

855
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:58.800
why they're appealing. Rainbow six Extraction
was an extraction shooter. I wonder if

856
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:00.320
I've ever played one, Like all
these ones are naming, I don't think

857
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.000
I ever played. Was there like
a really famous one that maybe I didn't

858
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.000
realize was an extraction shooter? Titan
Fall two. You run to the drop

859
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:12.960
ship. I love I love him. That's that's not you're not like I

860
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.880
guess that's sort of an early incarnation, but you're not like controlling that.

861
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:20.320
The drop ship just comes when one
team has won, right, so I

862
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.039
feel like you've had the whole round
and then yeah, here's the honest thing

863
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.960
at the end, Yeah, if
you die, you have to watch everybody

864
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:30.599
else. But trying to think what
else. Uh, it seems like it

865
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.840
was like lend itself to multiplayer more, which I don't really do. Yeah,

866
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.320
we should. We should play Hell
Divers too. Maybe that's a good

867
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.360
video At some point it's not,
as it's not as funny of a game,

868
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.519
but I could see some humor arising
out of it when like, we

869
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.000
leave so funny. The funnier rises
from one of you fucking up on a

870
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:51.079
mission and dying. Friend, I'm
going to die. The thing about the

871
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.159
first game that was really unique,
I will kill you. The thing that

872
00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:00.159
about the first game that was unique
was the friendly Fire because you it's a

873
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:01.679
twin stick shooter, so if you're
all standing, you're on the same plane.

874
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.840
But often you'd get such a big
group in front of you that someone

875
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:06.800
have to go prone, you have
to shoot over them. That's still a

876
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:12.559
thing here. And they make a
big deal about running and diving into your

877
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:16.519
prone stance in this game Dolphin Dive. Yeah, I think it could be

878
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:21.320
fun out it's cross the platform.
I'm playing on PS five, but it's

879
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:27.159
cross it's on a cross platform.
I already said that it's fun. Check

880
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:32.639
it out, Jake on Yeah,
I also played oh Man. Speaking of

881
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:38.119
Live service games I really wanted.
I was trying to like Suicide Squad for

882
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:44.440
a bit about game. There's like
I want to like this. It was

883
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:45.559
rock Study. I came to it
because it's at the end of the day,

884
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:50.360
it was rock Steady, and I
know, I know that there have

885
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.519
been problems at that studio over the
years, and this game was I was

886
00:59:53.519 --> 01:00:00.079
just maybe morbidly curious. Yeah,
I I don't want to say it's a

887
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:06.480
terrible game. It's not a complete
mess, Like I didn't have any any

888
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.760
server issues. For the record,
I played PS five maybe like four days

889
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:14.800
after it was officially released. But
you know, I used to play a

890
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:20.400
lot of Warframe. I like Live
service when it's done well. I like

891
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.440
the traversial in that traversal in that
game. I don't love the writing,

892
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.840
but that's no surprise people. I
wasn't going to it for the writing,

893
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.840
like DC jokes and humor, but
I love that. I could be talking

894
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.239
bipedal Shark, who is the kind
of the tank of the crew Joe right,

895
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:42.079
I think it's just King Shark is
his name? No, I think

896
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.840
it's Smoe. Joe does the voice. I think oh it Mojoe does the

897
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:45.960
voice. That makes sense. But
yeah, his name is King Shark in

898
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:51.840
the game. That makes sense a
lot of sense. Okay, I thought

899
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:57.159
I recognized it, but it Wow, it's a slow opening, but you

900
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.280
would not think for that kind of
game. But uh, I want to

901
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.159
say, the first two hours are
pretty slow, and I played like three

902
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.039
total. Because the first two hours
are slow, you don't even start really

903
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:12.119
getting loot until you do like three
long missions. You confront Evil Batman,

904
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.119
you confront Evil Green Lantern, you
help out the Flash a bit. For

905
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:20.079
those who don't know, if the
name doesn't imply it, you are trying

906
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.880
to kill evil versions of the or
like the Suicide or the Justice League that

907
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.679
has been taken over by Brainy Acts
Invasion. But it just was boring.

908
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.800
The combat. There's all these like
certain maneuvers you can do in combat.

909
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.840
If you shoot an enemy in the
legs enough, it'll get this blue glow,

910
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.199
which means if you may lee,
it'll recharge your shield, which is

911
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:45.280
helpful. But then there are certain
attacks you could do a counter shot with,

912
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.480
but that really just like breaks their
shields. There's not really a good

913
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.360
flow to combat outside of like occasionally
jumping up onto the roof of a building

914
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:57.960
and then shooting at four guys with
a very boring kind of machine gun that's

915
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.199
not that much different than your assault
right, which is not that much different

916
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:09.280
from your submachine gun. Much like
Gotham Nights. I like all the different

917
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.400
characters, how they have different flavors
of traversal, Like Harley Quinn uses they

918
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.079
break they it's not a spoiler,
it's pretty early on they get their they

919
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:22.519
break into the Justice League's museum,
so they like Harley Quinn gets Batman's grappling

920
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:29.880
hook and then dead Shot gets a
jet pack from somebody. I don't know.

921
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.719
I think moving around that world is
fun, but I just as soon

922
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.760
play like Sunset Overdrive, which came
out how many years ago, it's twenty

923
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:44.079
thirteen or so. Yeah, I
mean I just got so bored. And

924
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:47.679
they didn't introduce the loot system or
upgrades early enough in this, and it

925
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.599
just was a bit I got bored. I expected to either really dislike it

926
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.519
or like, I'm actually having a
lot of fun. Did not expect to

927
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.239
be bored, and I was a
shame because like seriously, Arkham trilogy,

928
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.840
I'll even include Night. I know
people did not like it. I enjoyed

929
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.480
it, and I luckily did not
have performance issues with it, so like,

930
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.119
I know that was kind of a
dreaded launch or whatever, but those

931
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.920
are incredible fucking games, especially Asylum. Asylum I think is one of the

932
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:16.800
best games of the three six era, which was like one of my favorite

933
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:22.719
eras, and City was fantastic.
And this be the thing that they've disappeared

934
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.119
for so long and everybody wondering,
like, oh, are they making a

935
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:28.000
Ninja Turtles game? What are they
working on now? And like I'm pulling

936
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.920
up there Wikipedia now has it literally
been Arkham Knight twenty fifteen almost a decade

937
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.159
later if you don't count that Ark
and b R thing. Holy shit.

938
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:44.599
This is again to be clear,
maybe it gets better later on. I

939
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:51.199
think it's just like there is a
foundation for something fun in the live service

940
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:55.559
realm. I just don't think they
lay that out soon enough. And I

941
01:03:55.679 --> 01:04:00.599
mean, I'm about to talk about
more about like a Dragon Infinite Wealth,

942
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.519
which I did not find the opening
to be that compelling, and now I'm

943
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:09.000
loving that game, but like,
augh, I don't know you need to

944
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.960
in my opinion, if you're trying
to make a compelling live service game,

945
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.199
not everybody wants to play them.
I get that, but I think all

946
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:19.079
of us three, I am the
most excited when a good live service game

947
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:25.639
comes around. I think you really
need to lay out that progression roadmap in

948
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:30.320
the game as soon as you can. And this game, I had no

949
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:34.039
idea what the future was going to
be like for my character or characters,

950
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:38.840
and it was just boring right up
until I was like, oh man,

951
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:43.679
these mission the mission variety is not
great yet. It's a live service game

952
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:45.920
that can improve. But like,
the first three hours in those kind of

953
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:49.519
games are like, I mean,
the first three hours rather the first hour

954
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:53.679
of any video game, I maintain
is like the most important part of a

955
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:57.880
video game and live service I feel
like that's doubly true. And I don't

956
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.199
know, I feel like the game
just came out and I'm already skeptical of

957
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:09.280
its new player onboarding, which is
not great. That sucks, yeah,

958
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:15.599
I mean, but like Traversal feels
great, Like rock Steady still makes good

959
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.079
feeling games, but man, the
combat with guns and whatnot. I was

960
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:24.320
just like, there's probably some other
road that could have taken at some point

961
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.599
that I wish they had, but
I'm not going to go back to it.

962
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.880
I don't think unless something drastic changes, but at that point I'd rather

963
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.920
play Hell Divers two or something.
Yeah, I can't imagine starting it after

964
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:41.320
everything I'm hearing, Yeah, what
have what have you guys been playing?

965
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.920
What else you can talk about that
other things? I feel like I'm constantly

966
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.119
in this thing of playing something I
can't talk about for now. I'm still

967
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:54.840
working on the acazette and still loving
it. I'd say I'm I'm like getting

968
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:59.960
into like chapter nine right now,
so because the limitations. I think there's

969
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.840
fourteen fourteen something like that. Yeah, so I'm over halfway. No major

970
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:08.519
story spoilers or anything here. It's
more like mechanics and stuff. But I

971
01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:11.920
finished Dundoko Island. I don't know
if either of you have done or seen

972
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.679
much of that. I have gotten
to Dundoko Island, Okay, I love

973
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.760
Dundoko Island. It's just the animal
crossing inside the ya because that shit sound

974
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:23.079
kind of yeah, it's such a
fucking yach is the thing that you spend

975
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:25.639
hours. I don't know if I
spent five, seven, eight hours,

976
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:29.000
you know, one of those building
up this island and doing this animal crossing

977
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.519
mini game, just clearing out junk
and building nice houses and like then it's

978
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:34.920
like, okay, I'm gonna build
it. Here's a bunch of pornos stores

979
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:39.519
and there catching bugs, and then
your reward at the end of that they

980
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:45.480
give you a golden eye laser can
give you an orbital laser. So this

981
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.440
is quint like, we gotta get
our little resort island back up. You

982
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.800
get it up. Yeah, So
I think someone Polygon mentioned that in slack

983
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:57.079
like on accident before I left,
Like wait what Yeah, it's this quaint

984
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.719
and weird thing for so long where
it's like, oh, I got these

985
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.360
operas, then I put a bondage
chair in the middle of this field or

986
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.360
whatever. It's just so fucking weird, and all of a sudden, like

987
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.000
everyone gets together in these mascots and
here's your gaft and you get a shit

988
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.320
ton of money and a literal orbital
laser you can call in for the rest

989
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.840
of the game. That just murders
everybody. Any fight. You just spend

990
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.840
one hundred andp and it cuts to
like outside the planet of a laser hitting

991
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:27.400
the Earth. It's fucking incredible.
It is. I love it. I

992
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:30.119
I was definitely down on it last
episode but I did tell you I want

993
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.239
to keep playing. I want to
like it. Oh my god, I'm

994
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:38.920
fully hooked. Now how far are
you? Chapter six? Okay, so

995
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.840
it's it's open, open, opened
up, which is what I was waiting,

996
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.679
not waiting for, which is what
I was working toward. I still

997
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:50.960
maintain and I liked Yakuzo like a
Dragon the previous game. I still maintained

998
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:56.239
that the game was not for me
doing Itchiban any favors. I think.

999
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:58.800
I was like, Okay, I
get it. He's a great dude,

1000
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:03.719
he's a great friend. He can
about these taken away from you. But

1001
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:09.119
like, no, the first few
hours really just do not like the writing

1002
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.840
was Okay, he's a dumb oaf, he's naive, but he's a good

1003
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.760
dude. I get it. Do
something else. I know, I'm a

1004
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:18.319
terrible for one video game character I've
ever related to crucify me. But then

1005
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.199
they start they do better things than
them, Like i'd say, once he

1006
01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:28.159
gets a little bit into his Hawaii
trip, he I'm like, okay,

1007
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.359
you're doing more with him. I
get it now. And also other characters

1008
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.920
that get introduced into the mix are
good foils to him, Like you get

1009
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:40.880
some pretty badass characters who come in. I'm like, Okay, I don't

1010
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:45.199
love all the broading, but I
like brooding brooding. I don't like the

1011
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.760
brooding, but I like what you're
doing here and there, and like you

1012
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:54.520
get other characters and other characters are
introduced. But so often in this game,

1013
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:59.600
I'm laughing because, for instance,
i'm fighting, you run into people

1014
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.279
on the street. I'm not going
to spoil anything. You run into people

1015
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:06.079
on the street and they transform once
you fight into like these demonic thugs criminals,

1016
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:10.880
and you're fighting. This is earlier
on like chapter three, I want

1017
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.800
to say, maybe two. You're
fighting a taxicab driver and it's like his

1018
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:17.119
attack seems sort of normal, and
then all of a sudden he crouches down,

1019
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:21.479
pulls out a car battery and then
like elect shoots electric bolts that you

1020
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:28.279
with the clamps. What other attack
for those tires? And yeah, there's

1021
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:31.680
just like and then I've been oh, I've been unlocking, yes, more

1022
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:35.680
mini games. So the pacing,
the pacing overall, it took like four

1023
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:41.359
hours, and you all you both
know that. I think four hours too

1024
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:43.920
long for a game to get good
to still call it a good game.

1025
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:46.920
I think that's very reasonable to ask. Four hours is a lot of my

1026
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:50.359
time? Yeah, or something is
good, And again I was like,

1027
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.399
this is one of those times.
I'm like, I have seen a yak

1028
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.439
I know how good yaku is it
like a dragon got When you unlock all

1029
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:01.000
the mini games, you jump between
them and you're getting new party members and

1030
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.479
new jobs. I was like,
I knew what, I knew how good

1031
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:05.279
that was. If I had not
played that game, I would not have

1032
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:09.119
kept going. Like despite all the
recommendations, I'm like, I have other

1033
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.680
games to play, other stuff to
do. I pushed through it a bit,

1034
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.960
and now I'm liking more characters.
I'm in a better mindset because the

1035
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:24.039
pacing is just great now and getting
new jobs in combat has really opened it

1036
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:28.319
up in different synergies. And like
the fact that like, oh, one

1037
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:32.920
is a hero for instance, and
then there's a bar made and then there's

1038
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.920
a pyro dancer, Like, what
the fuck is going on? Yeah,

1039
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:42.600
it's uh the game. I think
maybe in the early hours it was.

1040
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.239
I don't think it was. In
fact, I really don't think it was,

1041
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.199
but it's leaning into the goofiness much
more later, and it's mechanics in

1042
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:53.359
the combat and I like that.
It's nice to hear that this grind,

1043
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:57.760
fun grind of an animal crossing kind
of minigame has this dumb reward at the

1044
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:00.680
end because it's a fun and grind
in its own right. And I play

1045
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:08.439
a lot of RPGs, specifically from
Japan that have that kind of gameplay loop,

1046
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.479
so I'm not a verse to it. But yeah, I'm liking it

1047
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:13.199
a bunch. Do you mind if
I tell you something that happens in chapter

1048
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.760
eight? In terms of just like
structure of the game, you can spoil

1049
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.159
as much as you want with this
game. Oh, I know, are

1050
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:23.800
you talking about it? What?
Sorry? How big of a soil?

1051
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:28.520
I don't think I wouldn't call it
story as much as like structure. Can

1052
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:32.520
I say like one word and see
if that's curio it? Okay? Okay?

1053
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.800
Dbones are up. Yeah, so
for anyone, take your headphones off.

1054
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.399
You don't want to hear it.
Yeah, you just go back to

1055
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.600
Japan. You're playing to krry you. Yeah, all of the fucking shit

1056
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.479
in Japan is different than the way
it's all structured. And in uh Hawaii,

1057
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.520
you're going around to all these spots
from previous games and reminiscing about like

1058
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:51.880
that's like a mini game. It's
like Awakening Cure You, and like he's

1059
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.319
basically making his like he says he's
dying and so he's just kind of going

1060
01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.880
through all these places he's been in
his life and seeing kind of these flash

1061
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.399
to old games and like all of
the mini stuff, like there's no Aloha

1062
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:08.159
Link thing. It's replaced with this
like Hero for Higher thing. You've got

1063
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:12.600
new new jobs, new party members
and everything. It's just like I did

1064
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.760
not expect thirty five hours into the
game to be like what the fuck.

1065
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:20.720
It's a completely different group of people
in location and structure. It's a god

1066
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:27.239
damn it. It's a big game. So he I've had him as the

1067
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:35.239
actual like protagonists for maybe a chapter
because what they introduce him in chapter three

1068
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:40.159
ish, yeah into the story as
a party member, correct me, I'm

1069
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:43.239
wrong? Yeah yeah, but then
yes, after when he is back in

1070
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:47.039
Japan, I think it's chapter in
an eight or nine when he became like

1071
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:51.800
there no, no, no,
no, so he's still a party member

1072
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.680
for me. Oh but you're aware
of this then yes? Oh yeah,

1073
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.359
okay, yeah, all this just
from editing stuff at Polygon and I don't.

1074
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:00.159
Oh, okay, one of those
games. I was like, you

1075
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:02.800
can spoil whatever you want. I'm
still going to be enjoying seeing how they

1076
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:06.079
get there, so I don't mind, but I'm looking forward to the fact

1077
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:10.479
like he's already he was who I
was referencing as, like, okay,

1078
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:15.239
KIRIU, I like, well,
and then you're fucking you unlock the old

1079
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:19.600
fightings like it turns into real time
fighting, which is saying it turn based

1080
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:25.680
RBG, and then you just unlock
the old fighting system, which facing even

1081
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.520
more. I just I still wish
the game got there sooner, but I

1082
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.560
get I get how the build up
works. I personally am liking Cure You

1083
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:35.840
much more than it Chibond, but
like I'm still, oh, I bet

1084
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:44.800
he would know the best Murlow.
Yeah, yeah, Okay, you're good,

1085
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.520
You're good, But yeah, I
guess I'll cap it. Mary,

1086
01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:55.239
how far are you like what chapter
two? Ish? I'm with all the

1087
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.399
turns out, all the people recommending
to push through are like there was a

1088
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.640
reason it. I have no problems
with pushing through. I just played like

1089
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:09.039
a couple of silly games instead with
my time, and so I haven't had

1090
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:12.840
as much time with Yakuza, but
it is my intention to keep I'm not

1091
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.560
upset about it. I just haven't
had the time to actually get into it

1092
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:21.560
because I've been playing some other weird
stuff. What have you been playing?

1093
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:27.000
Okay? Actually, or you can
continue to go to finish up. I

1094
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:31.600
tell you about a game I actually
think Dan you would like, called Go

1095
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:36.159
Mecha Ball. I somebody else is
talking about this on a podcast recently and

1096
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:41.079
telling me I would like it.
I have to play pretty good, so

1097
01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:45.439
I'm gonna try and sell you on
it. I think this is a Dan

1098
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:50.840
game. It's extremely dowey. You
are in many ways you're a cat,

1099
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:57.279
but think of yourself as like a
gerbil ball you can tend every day.

1100
01:14:57.359 --> 01:14:59.960
I've always asked myself when you were
a kid, didn you have always been

1101
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:01.279
like, oh my god, I
would kill it in a Gerbi Ball.

1102
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.520
I'd like run around the whole tube
system. I wanted all that one to

1103
01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:08.600
drink my water that way. Yeah, I agree, And you have that,

1104
01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:14.439
and then you have like old games
in our systems that kind of made

1105
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:20.399
you enjoy uh, like Sonic Spinball, Marble Madness, and you're like ball

1106
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:25.359
form and you're like, this is
fucking awesome. I wish we explored this

1107
01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:30.479
concept more. Mecha ball really does
a lot with the idea of half ball

1108
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:38.319
form where you're zipping around. You're
hitting pinball like uh corners, and they

1109
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:43.560
make the noise and the titting that
real fun like noise that shoots you left

1110
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:47.920
and right. You go into tubes
and zip up tube systems into different areas

1111
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:53.399
and when you're not Oh, and
you can also hit enemies in ball form

1112
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:55.880
and it does damage against them,
so that's really fun. So you're just

1113
01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.199
kind of like zip zapping around,
bouncing off walls in different points. It's

1114
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:03.079
going into tubes, jumping on bad
guys heads. That's really fun. But

1115
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:08.319
you can always pop out of ball
form. Out of ball form your cat

1116
01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:14.800
with a gun. And I like
the look of it to go mecha all.

1117
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.239
It's almost kind of like a kind
of like look to it where it's

1118
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:24.840
like everything's kind of shiny and round
and it's it's appealing. Dude, it's

1119
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:30.479
drugs, it's skintle party. It's
really wild. I've never seen such a

1120
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:35.159
saturated music, Like the music is
like high intensity. It's good music too.

1121
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:40.239
I was shocked to uh find out
that I loved the music for this

1122
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:45.039
game high intensity beats where you are
zip zapping as a ball to kill all

1123
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.239
these enemies in the area. That's
how you win, is that you you

1124
01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:53.720
have to kill everything in the space
in three waves, so you might kill

1125
01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:56.760
everything and then another wave hits in
that same area, you kill everything.

1126
01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.560
Another wave hits and you kill everything, and then when you beat that wave,

1127
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.199
go on to the next system.
This is Rogue Light. If you

1128
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:08.640
die, you start from the beginning
of the game, but you're unlocking multiple

1129
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:15.319
types of currencies, so similar to
like Haites. When you finish an area,

1130
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:19.760
you get to pick maybe something you
want to upgrade. Maybe it's the

1131
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:24.359
guns that you're carrying. You get
two guns, and it's awesome to get

1132
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:30.319
a really dope like like a sniper
rifle gun or maybe something that's a grenade

1133
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:33.640
launcher, which is way better than
a pea shooter. You can also unlock

1134
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:40.199
defenses, health upgrades, and things
like just getting health back is a huge

1135
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.199
win in that game because, like
I said, it's Rogue Lights, so

1136
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.039
your health is precious, so if
you lose your health, you're in deep

1137
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:50.520
shit. So those upgrades are really
valuable to you. The second type of

1138
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:56.600
upgrade is a currency that you're getting
when you're playing through the game, and

1139
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:02.239
when you die, you get to
spe end that currency on perma upgrades that

1140
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:06.079
are worth a lot, and they're
in the form of gotchapons, you know

1141
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:09.680
what I'm talking about, where you
like put coins in a machine and you

1142
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.239
press a button like claw machine or
is that like that, It's like it

1143
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:17.079
kind of like falls out of the
gotchapon cale, yes, and so you

1144
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:23.319
get ok, and it'll be like
now in your rolodex of guns, you

1145
01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:26.800
can get this brand new gun that's
really good, or you get this new

1146
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:31.520
upgrade uh that was never in Uh, it was never it was never something

1147
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.359
you could even have before, and
now maybe you can unlock it as you

1148
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:38.279
play the game, and that's worth
a lot to get. So there's always

1149
01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:43.119
valued even if you're dying, there's
always value in collecting that currencies. You

1150
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.520
can get those gotchapons and increase the
value of your character. But it is

1151
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:51.279
extremely addictive to finish these waves.
And then after I want to say three

1152
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:57.960
areas three like spaces of waves,
you get a boss and the bosses are

1153
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:02.880
pretty cool. They stretch your abilities
as a player. One is the first

1154
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:05.119
one I think is an ant.
I thought it was a spider, but

1155
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:09.159
it turns out it did not have
the legs of a spider. It was

1156
01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:13.279
an ant. You really have to
you have to count those body parts and

1157
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:17.800
uh, the second one is more
aerial and you have to learn how to

1158
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:23.439
maybe jump on their heads in order
to keep past that boss. I haven't

1159
01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:26.680
had this much fun on a game
Pass game. I did not kiss it.

1160
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:31.560
I did not it's on game I
found it on game Pass. I

1161
01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:33.760
wouldn't. I don't think I would
have played this game if it wasn't for

1162
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:38.880
game Pass. This is a classic
example of Mary being like what am I

1163
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.680
going to play tonight? I don't
want to spend any money and going to

1164
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.560
game Pass and seeing what they had. That's the only reason I played Go

1165
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:50.560
Go Mecca Ball. It's it's freaking
fun. Is absolutely worth the price even

1166
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:56.079
if you are not to game Pass, but on game Pass, it is

1167
01:19:56.239 --> 01:20:00.600
like a no brainer to pick up
this game. I have enjoyed my time

1168
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.119
with this game. It scratches the
haites itch quite frankly, of like just

1169
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.640
that real light of like I'm going
to do a couple of rounds before I

1170
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:10.000
go to bed. The music is
really dope. It visually looks great.

1171
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:15.840
The combat is super fun. You're
a freaking Durbil ball and you get gotcha,

1172
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:18.640
Pond's it's great. Okay, Well
I downloaded it while you're describing.

1173
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.800
I got on Steam because it sounds
like a hell of a plane game from

1174
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:25.319
what you were described. You cash
it. Oh, it's intentional, I

1175
01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:27.439
got it. Yeah, yeah,
so but it seems like it could be

1176
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.359
a really good Steam det game.
It's I think it's going to be a

1177
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.760
great Steam deck game. I am
curious if I should intentionally purchase it again

1178
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:38.479
just that I can play it.
I think it's going to be a really

1179
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:43.359
fun travel style game. But yeah, I mean, I I adore this

1180
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:47.840
game. I think it's super fun
and it's really fun to go into ball

1181
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:51.880
form and then pop out with a
gun. Every piece of this is like

1182
01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:58.399
pure juice. It's the designers knew
what they had and they min max the

1183
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.159
shit out of it. I guarantee
you by next episode, I will play

1184
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:05.079
it a healthy amount of this because
I'm only playing two long RPGs right now,

1185
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:09.039
and I really like you describing this
made me realize, like, ooh,

1186
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.439
I need something I can just play
for like ten minutes and just get

1187
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:15.479
a full session out of Like,
Okay, I will play this significantly before

1188
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:17.319
next time. You don't have to
be smart or think about it. At

1189
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:21.920
fall, it's like kill everything in
the space and bounce around stupid and I'm

1190
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:27.760
like, you got it? Like
it's sometimes I mean a lot of times,

1191
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:30.239
especially after a long day of work. Oh, I play something that's

1192
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:33.840
talking to me and I think a
lot and make important decisions about whether or

1193
01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:38.119
not someone should live or die.
I and deal with that shit goal and

1194
01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:45.079
make a ball is just chaos incarnate. It reminds me of like classic arcade

1195
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:49.119
games where you're just bouncing around,
kill everything, obtain items, you make

1196
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:53.359
really simple decisions about whether or not
you want to increase your health or your

1197
01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:58.880
damage, and you kill aunt bosses. It's fun and it does it really

1198
01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:03.319
well. It is uh what's that
called when games designers add just like sparkles

1199
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:09.239
and like shine to a game at
the very end just to make it plish,

1200
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:13.039
polish, Like they just polish the
shit out of this game. It's

1201
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:19.439
filled with screenshake and background noise that
makes you really excited, and the enemies

1202
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:25.760
are really funny kill It's so exciting
I want to play the game too.

1203
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:30.239
It sounds great. I was obsessed. I was maybe I might be over

1204
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:31.880
selling it, only in a sense
that like, I expected nothing from this

1205
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:36.760
game, and it wowed me.
I was thrilled by it. I think

1206
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:41.640
now that I've made this big stink
about it, you might play and be

1207
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:44.800
like, it's just a ballgame,
married but like, it's it's the ballgame

1208
01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:47.199
I needed. Like at a time
where all these games are asking so much

1209
01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:50.640
of me, this game asks nothing, Shoot me a ball. Where does

1210
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:54.199
this come from? Whale Peak games? I'm looking them up here to see

1211
01:22:54.199 --> 01:23:00.760
if they don't know Peak game.
Yeah, I've never seen it, but

1212
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.239
I know it exists. Okay,
I'm I'm into it. I will play

1213
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:08.600
it. Great. I'm glad I
sold it. The other one. I

1214
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:11.720
have to be careful because I did
not know anything about this, so I

1215
01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:15.199
will preface that I'm going to talk
about turn Up Boy, which apparently has

1216
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:18.119
spoilers. And when I streamed this
game, a lot of people came into

1217
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:20.840
my chat and said, sorry,
I can't watch because I'm also playing.

1218
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:25.800
Listen. I don't want to be
spoiled, to which that surprised me.

1219
01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.239
I did not know this is not
the first turn Up Boy. I believe

1220
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:32.640
the first. Oh, I'm probably
gonna taxivation. Tax Evasion is the first

1221
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:35.520
turn Up Boy, and I suspect
there are fans of Turnup Boy that will

1222
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:39.399
say that I am butchering this.
I did not know this. I played

1223
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:44.800
this blind. I played Turnip Boy
robs a bank also on game Pass right

1224
01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:48.800
now, the concept of Turnip Boys, as far as I'm aware from the

1225
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:55.920
hours that I've played with it,
is that you get a certain amount of

1226
01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:01.880
time to rob this bank and then
you take the money as long as you

1227
01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:05.119
successfully rob the bank. If you
get caught by the police, if you

1228
01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:09.920
die, you get nothing, So
you want to make sure you get back

1229
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.960
to your car in time. But
if you get the money, you go

1230
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:16.319
back to your base and it allows
you to buy upgrades for your character,

1231
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.479
more health. Another one that I
like is more time, Like I think

1232
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:21.800
you start the game with a two
minute timer, Like what can you do

1233
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:27.039
in two minutes? So adding a
minute your timer is pretty clutch, better

1234
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.600
weapons, et cetera. But what
I found really interesting is I think they

1235
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:32.359
have an area called the dark Web, and you buy stuff off the dark

1236
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:36.199
Web, which I just think is
really interesting and so I'll be playing the

1237
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:43.239
game in the bank, and the
bank will maybe have an area where they'll

1238
01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:45.840
be like, sorry, you can't
go in this area. You need to

1239
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:51.479
be able to have a laser pointer
to get through the giant bank door.

1240
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:57.920
And on the dark Web, I
can buy a laser for five hundred dollars.

1241
01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:00.760
So I robbed the bank a couple
times make enough money to buy the

1242
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:05.000
laser pointer. When I get into
the door, it's an entirely new area

1243
01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:10.600
of the game. And so this
type of game I was not aware of.

1244
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.560
This is the type of game where
as you play it, you buy

1245
01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:17.159
stuff from the dark Web that allows
you to unlock new spaces in the bank,

1246
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:25.239
and the game expands tenfold because now
you're in a new area that requires

1247
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.399
maybe a blue key card that you
buy off the dark Web, or maybe

1248
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:31.840
you get it from a boss fight
that you discover, and you go deeper

1249
01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:34.399
and deeper and deeper into this bank, and now you're not even in a

1250
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:40.840
bank anymore. I'm in a forest. I'm in an entire area that's just

1251
01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:45.520
made of web cabinets. I bought
a cardboard box and went into the cardboard

1252
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.239
box like back area of the bank. These are large areas. You can

1253
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:54.319
spend hours in them. You meet
lots of characters who all need something,

1254
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:57.720
and the writing is really cheeky too. I feel like I didn't mention that,

1255
01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:00.680
but the writing is actually quite funny. I met a who was like,

1256
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.760
you got to help me. I've
been married for twenty years. My

1257
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:08.319
husband, you have to find him. He owes me divorce papers and I

1258
01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:10.680
need him to sign them immediately.
And I'm like, all right, lady,

1259
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:13.920
like little freak, and so I
find the husband later on in the

1260
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:15.239
game, I get him to sign
the papers, and I go back to

1261
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.760
her and she gives me like a
hat. It's irrelevant, but the point

1262
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:24.159
is it's but yeah, you're doing
all these like little it's a little yakaza.

1263
01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:28.680
Honestly, you're like doing all these
little unnecessary side quests for really unnecessary

1264
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:31.279
benefits. But it's cheeky and funny
and you enjoy doing them, and so

1265
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:35.399
you do them all within the three
minute timer of making sure you're robbing this

1266
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:39.359
bank and then getting your ass back
to your home base that you can live.

1267
01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:42.399
I like the idea of it expanding
as you go, too, Like

1268
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:44.720
is it just the thing where it
teaches you the basics how it works,

1269
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:45.479
and then it gets bigger and more
complex. Did it goes? Show me?

1270
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.760
Shit? Dan? I was so
confused the whole, like first hour

1271
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:51.479
of this game. I was like, why are you asking me to do

1272
01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:55.520
these things? Why do these people
keep giving me side quests? And what

1273
01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:58.319
the fuck am I doing with all
my money? I think I made really

1274
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.760
poor decisions, probably for the first
ninety minutes, because I didn't understand.

1275
01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:04.520
I will be honest with you that
there was tritorial and I was like,

1276
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:08.800
I'm not reading all that. Thanks
for whatever. So maybe it tried to

1277
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:13.560
teach me. But this game is
a very dewey game that did not do

1278
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.840
a good job of just explaining to
me how to get started. And I

1279
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:21.520
think it's possible it wanted me to
have played the first game. The game

1280
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:25.680
encourages you to have played the very
first game to understand what to do.

1281
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:30.560
I did not, so I went
into it not fully understanding it. It

1282
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.000
is a fascinating world, and I
think if someone is looking for a dewey

1283
01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:35.680
game where you just go in and
rob a bank and then you learn all

1284
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:40.800
the facets of the space, this
might be for you. I found it

1285
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:46.520
overwhelming and not it was no Michable, but I really did like Turnip Boys.

1286
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.800
It's a really cool world and it
has all these vast secrets, and

1287
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:55.319
I think that's what people are drawn
to when they play this game, is

1288
01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.199
you have no idea where this game
is going to take you, and all

1289
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:00.560
the different characters you're going to meet, and they're all spoilery, so I

1290
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:03.239
won't spoil them. I thought it
was quite interesting. I beat about three

1291
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:08.199
bosses so far in the game,
and I'm in like six worlds past the

1292
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:11.560
original bank Now, which is a
funny thing to say, but yeah,

1293
01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:15.760
I'm like way past like bank now. But you always start at the bank

1294
01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:20.079
and then you get like three or
four minutes to like get as far as

1295
01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:24.359
you can, so you just go. If you had to throw into a

1296
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:30.079
genre, though, you'd say like
Rogue Light, yes, because you have

1297
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:33.520
a life and if you die you
get nothing, and if you live,

1298
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:36.359
you take the money back and you
buy stuff with it that are permanent upgrades.

1299
01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:41.560
So oka, Yes, it's such
a weird way to look at it

1300
01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:47.399
like that sounds like a weird game. It's super weird. Yeah, And

1301
01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:50.720
I think it subverts your expectations.
I think it has like witty writing that

1302
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:57.920
kind of sometimes breaks the fourth wall. I think it's cheeky and modern take

1303
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:01.119
on a rogue light for sure.
And I bet fans of the game would

1304
01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:03.159
be like, Mary, you're not
explaining it right, And it's just like

1305
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.760
this game is complicated, and fans
of this game are weird, like the

1306
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:12.159
fact that they are like, I
can't hear about this game because it's spoilery.

1307
01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:15.199
I didn't know that this game had
so many nuances to it and it

1308
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:18.880
had such a strong fan base.
People feel very strongly about Turnip Boy apparently

1309
01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:25.560
apparently, But I think it's a
really cool concept. If I can,

1310
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:29.000
I think I will spend the time
to go back and play the original Turnip

1311
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:33.640
Boy and tax Evasion and understand the
basics of this game. Cool. It

1312
01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:41.359
looks like Barren Breakfast, yeah,
or I think a good way to compare

1313
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.560
it is enter the gungeon. Yeah, into the gun You can see that

1314
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:48.039
too, because you're like going into
this weird world that you don't understand any

1315
01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:54.840
of the rules of, and they'll
be like finding Isaac, yes, or

1316
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:58.960
like face these weird bosses that are
laughing at you, and the and the

1317
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:01.079
writing is really witty and you feel
like you're in a completely different universe.

1318
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.720
It is charming and it is fun
and oh man, if you get the

1319
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:11.760
right gun, you feel fucking unstoppable. I had the best sniper and I

1320
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:15.079
was killing it. But then I
got into a boss fight and you can't

1321
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:16.720
leave the boss fight like you're in
it. And the boss killed me.

1322
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:20.399
So I lost my really good gun
and that was that was hard on me,

1323
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:27.399
Like, once you lose that good
gun, you get sucks. I

1324
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:32.840
have never got over it. Still. Do you guys want to do emails?

1325
01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:38.439
Yeah or okay? As usually,
you can run into fire Escape Casts

1326
01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:41.720
at gmail dot com with any questions, comments, concerns. Holy shit,

1327
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:47.439
our inbox was quite the eclectic array
of responses after last episode. It was

1328
01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:55.039
like a third people threatening me because
of my Disney adult views, a third

1329
01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:58.479
who actually really enjoyed our conversation about
bourbon. Turns out we have a lot

1330
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:04.399
of listeners who like work distilleries.
I like this yeah, and then the

1331
01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:11.680
other I see where this is going. Third was people just sending very weird

1332
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.720
questions, which we always appreciate.
But Mike, I like you. I

1333
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:16.920
think you are the heel of this
podcast, and I think I usually sloped

1334
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:21.039
myself into that and podcasts. I'm
on but I like, I like you

1335
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:25.119
being the heel here. So we
got we got an email on the every

1336
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:29.199
man yeah, exactly, on the
white baby face here, you're the heel.

1337
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:35.520
Yeah, I'm I'm mister pretentious.
We got an email from one mister

1338
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:39.600
Mike Manatti, which I feel like
I need to read because it's kind of

1339
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:44.439
addressed to my god. Yeah.
He by the way, he messaged me

1340
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:46.279
after the episode went up last week
and he was like, oh my god,

1341
01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:49.560
I'm dying at the fire escape.
You guys talking about me, And

1342
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:51.520
I was like, oh fuck,
I don't remember what we said. It

1343
01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:54.079
all. I was like, was
that making fun of you? Or was

1344
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:56.960
that He's like, no, you'd
be really nice. Okay, Okay,

1345
01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:00.880
I remember differently. You definitely were
not like I'll I'll read his email and

1346
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.439
then I'll we'll get to it.
So can for those who the very few

1347
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:08.760
people that listen to this podcast,
Dan, can you really quickly summary of

1348
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:15.079
who Mike Manaughty is fastest rising star
in the games media industry. Guy.

1349
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:18.920
I never heard him to the point
where I had a running bit where actually

1350
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:23.159
I still call him the wrong name. Never heard of him like a year

1351
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:26.279
and a half ago, two years
ago, and he's just a guy that

1352
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.159
grub knows, I guess, And
no, it turns out he's one of

1353
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:32.439
the most knowledgeable and funny and nice
and easy to work with and just uh

1354
01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:41.239
oh man. He's been a real
shining point force on your giant content.

1355
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:46.119
And I just think he is a
breath of fresh air and downright good dude.

1356
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:49.600
But that's not what we're here to
discuss. Crucially, he's also a

1357
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:56.920
Disney adult, which no, never, no one's perfect. Okay, wait,

1358
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:01.199
so I got okay, my wrote
in high from Mike a Disney Adult.

1359
01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:04.640
Dear Dan, Mary and Mike.
Hello from Mike Manatti, Gamy Media's

1360
01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:11.319
Sorry, Daisy just knocked over my
sleep. No more masks, all right,

1361
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:14.399
let me start over. Dear Dan, Mary and Mike. Hello from

1362
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.079
Mike Manatti, Gamy Media's premiere Disney
Adult. I have to say I loved

1363
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:20.399
hearing Dan come to the defense parentheses, well, a mild defense, but

1364
01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:26.079
I'll take it of Disney adults.
As Mike expressed his displeasure, I think

1365
01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:30.560
you also were joining me a bit, but no, sure, I think

1366
01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.920
we all were in there. But
I am a Disney adult. I've always

1367
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.239
said that. Not too long ago, someone shared a video with me of

1368
01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:41.119
Dan on an old Giant Bomb show
where he himself expressed disgust toward Disney adults.

1369
01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:44.479
Look how far he has come.
I'm sure Mike will also come around.

1370
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:46.399
Once we are able to meet.
Maybe we can hash things out over

1371
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.039
some wine in Walt Disney World at
the restaurant Jico and the Animal Kingdom Lodge

1372
01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:55.199
Hotel, which has an amazing collection
of South African wines. I don't think

1373
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:57.800
you'll be allowed to fuck the trees
there, though. Love the show,

1374
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:02.279
continue kicking butt, Hakuna Matata Manati. So I would kill for that travelogue

1375
01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:05.359
of him teaching you like, oh, here's the wine that the lady in

1376
01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:11.079
the tramp ate or whatever. You
know, she ate a lot of wine.

1377
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:17.359
Lady in the tramp at Disney.
I don't know you can eat wine

1378
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:21.840
drinking probably yeah, Oh, Mike's
pretendious. You just talk about how you

1379
01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:26.399
drink wine. What a fucking you
still get off your high horse, dick.

1380
01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:31.000
I appreciate that Mike is meeting me
halfway because he knows I enjoy wine,

1381
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.880
which he might not be super into. I need to reflect that back

1382
01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:39.119
to him and say, I am
up for this trip. If we can

1383
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:44.359
make it happen, maybe we'll expand
my world. I I don't Here's the

1384
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:47.439
difference with a lot of things.
When I don't like a game that I

1385
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:49.720
feel like I should, I really
want to like it. When I have

1386
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.960
like food that I don't like,
I feel like it's a challenge I need

1387
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.000
to like it for some reason.
With Disney, I don't have any desire

1388
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:04.279
to overcome that that barrier. But
because Mike Manatti was so so amicable and

1389
01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:09.239
inviting and met me halfway with a
South African wine pole, which he must

1390
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:12.840
either he must either like South African
winds or know that I am really into

1391
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.199
South African wines to call them out
specifically. But that sounds great. I

1392
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:18.479
would love to do that. I
need to fight him first. Why these

1393
01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:24.159
mics are are are good ones because
you both have interests that you go really

1394
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:28.439
hard into that some might find inseparable. Mike's got the very you know,

1395
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:32.399
wine and sail boats and whatever.
Uh you know, Manati's got the Disney

1396
01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:35.439
adult and you know spends his days
thinking about Goofy or whatever, And like,

1397
01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:41.319
I feel like those fandoms, any
fandom, frankly, any fandom,

1398
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:45.279
pop culture of fandom, or just
wine, whatever, there's gonna be weird

1399
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:50.960
assholes and weird woleslee with them exactly. And Mike, you're really into wine,

1400
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:55.960
manat he's really into Goofy or whatever, and but you're not weird assholes

1401
01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:58.600
about it. You're both weird,
but you're not assholes about it, like

1402
01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:01.079
you would totally both game to like, let's go and do a fun thing.

1403
01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:02.960
We're gonna do a little video together, and oh, you know,

1404
01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:06.960
op substract, we're gonna teach each
other these things for Mike's knowledge. I

1405
01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:14.760
think I absolutely should be open to
the fact that I might actually have fun

1406
01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:16.640
with it at Disney World, and
I'm I am at this point. I'm

1407
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:23.359
glad, he wrote in I also
think if I'm ever expressing extreme disgust for

1408
01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:29.119
something, odds are I'm picturing one
specific person in my head, which happens

1409
01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:31.119
often with me. Instead of like
being able to come out and say I

1410
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:35.960
really don't like this fucking person,
I will say I'll be like, here's

1411
01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:39.520
the annoying thing about them. Let
me just talk generally about people, which

1412
01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:42.039
of course is just a very fair
way to talk about people, Like you

1413
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:45.319
should just group them all together and
instead of just talking about one person.

1414
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:49.800
Yeah, so I'm up for it. I would we talked like like,

1415
01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:55.079
I've sure put people through warframe,
Mike can shirp us through Disney World.

1416
01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:57.960
I wonder though, like if he
would actually be gamed for the wine thing.

1417
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:00.800
But you know, he's got like
a legitimate like fruitful Yeah, Like

1418
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.439
he'll leave a room if you bring
in a plate of grapes. So,

1419
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.880
like, would he drink wine?
I think? I mean, I don't

1420
01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:09.760
know what his phobia is like,
but I imagine wine is far enough removed

1421
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:13.520
from the original grape that he wouldn't. It's like when I like, I

1422
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.239
would eat sour cream flavored jellybillies,
but I wouldn't eat sour cream. Is

1423
01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:19.640
that if it doesn't take the form
factor of like fruit, if maybe he's

1424
01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:24.159
okay with it? M I might
write in again, do you drink wine?

1425
01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:27.319
Would you drink wine? Yeah?
That is curious. I don't know.

1426
01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:33.000
I'm curious about that, soud because
you might not know this it's fruit.

1427
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:39.439
I'm learning. I also had a
friend from I had a friend from

1428
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:44.960
college after the episode who was like
a jockey guy, not an actual jock

1429
01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:47.880
like he He sometimes would talk like
a jock and you would not know it.

1430
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:51.039
But he texted me he's I just
got a random text from him,

1431
01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:55.439
first texting like a year, and
he I hope. I look at the

1432
01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:57.479
text and says, I'm going to
beat the shit out of you. Like

1433
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.640
wait, what he's like? You
do know I go to Disney World every

1434
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:03.680
year, and like, I did
not know that. He's just threatening to

1435
01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:06.359
kick my ass next time he sees
me. He's also threatening to drag me

1436
01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:11.279
down to Disney World to show me
the error of my ways. So I

1437
01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:14.399
don't know. Flash forward to three
years from now. Maybe I'm pilled.

1438
01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:17.560
I don't think so. But I
let me let me tap into your wine

1439
01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:21.800
stuff here because I had I had
an incident this weekend. Yeah I heard

1440
01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:27.119
about this. Yeah, you heard
about this because your coworker you referenced earlier

1441
01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:30.840
Matt Birds. I went out to
dinner with him and his wife, and

1442
01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.920
then Bonk and I went out and
had a nice dinner and you know,

1443
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:36.960
I had some drinks, had some
nice food, and at the end we're

1444
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:41.319
looking at the dessert menu and it
was flying out to Fargo. The next

1445
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:43.560
day, so I wanted to be
able to like sleep when I got home.

1446
01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:45.359
So I was like, I'm looking
at it because I still have like

1447
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:49.680
dessert cocktails and stuff on things.
Yeah, and I'm looking for something that

1448
01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:54.840
has alcohol in it but no caffeine
because I had like espresso martinis and stuff

1449
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.560
like that, and I was like, no, no, I don't want

1450
01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:00.520
I don't want caffeine. And then
I saw sherry, just the word sherry

1451
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:02.760
on there, and I was like, oh, that's like wine, right,

1452
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.439
and it must be like a there's
just be a wine that people have

1453
01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:11.319
with dessert or whatever. And so
they go around the table and everyone's ordering

1454
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:14.880
their stuff or whatever, and I
order it and like, I don't know

1455
01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:16.479
who, like, I just felt
the sense of as soon as I said

1456
01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:21.560
I'll take the sherry, everyone at
the table and the waiter I felt it.

1457
01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:28.079
I felt everybody like then they bring
it out, nobody said anything,

1458
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.079
and then they bring it out.
They handed to me, and then another

1459
01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:32.960
guy comes out and he was like
who was it? And I was like,

1460
01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:38.199
what, who ordered the sherry?
I said me, and he goes,

1461
01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:41.800
I've been working here since we opened. I'm always here, like no

1462
01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:43.960
one has ever you're the guy.
You're the one. You're the one.

1463
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:47.000
He finally ordered the sherry and was
like, what the But then I drank

1464
01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:51.159
it and it was kind of gross. What what's the fucking what is sherry

1465
01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:54.800
known for? Why is that a
weird thing to order? Why was that

1466
01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:57.880
on the menu if it's a weird
thing to order? Uh it, You're

1467
01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:00.159
right, it's a dessert wine.
It's fortified span dessert wine. Have you

1468
01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:05.159
had port? Have you heard of
port? Like at the doc? Now

1469
01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:09.880
you've heard of port at some point? Really dark. It's like it's a

1470
01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:12.720
dessert wine, which means it's fortified. There's a lot of residual sugar in

1471
01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:16.000
there. Put yeah knowledge in him
and said, you know what port is?

1472
01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:19.960
Like a usb Yeah. Rather than
rant about it, I'll just say

1473
01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:24.520
it's Spanish dessert wine and it's supposed
to it probamt Did it tastes like?

1474
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:27.560
Was it raised any? I don't
even know? It was just gross,

1475
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:31.359
not only something I shouldn't be drinking, created juice? What do people not

1476
01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:35.760
order it? Like? Is it
considered? So? No? What kind

1477
01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:44.960
of restaurant was it? Italian place? I will say I would be it's

1478
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:50.039
definitely I think less frequent that someone
would order sherry than port or like's not

1479
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:55.239
port. Yeah, it's odd that
they had not odd, but it's it's

1480
01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:59.359
Yeah, it's a bit unusual that
they had sherry on the dessert menu instead

1481
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:02.600
of port because it think port is
more widely recognized. But like, I

1482
01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:06.159
like sherry as a dessert wine.
But you, if I'm generalizing, you

1483
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:09.880
do not at all look like the
kind of person who would order sherry.

1484
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:14.600
To generalize, who is the type
of person that would order sherry wine snobs

1485
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:19.239
or like older? I think I
actually don't know. I know certain like

1486
01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:24.720
in certain Spanish circles, it's a
it's a dessert wine. Uh is it

1487
01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:29.079
the Riberta del Duero area region.
I'm thinking yeah, it's it's adjacent.

1488
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:32.840
Yeah, it's like the kind of
thing that like Fraser would order. Okay,

1489
01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:38.079
like it's I think it has this
this connotation of stuffiness for sure.

1490
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:42.039
Okay, I see anything. I
just belt it as soon as I said

1491
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:49.039
Sherry was known for liking a sherry, like it was Fraser is a sherry

1492
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:53.640
person. I can see that.
Really. Okay, they're also like stereotypes,

1493
01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:57.439
right, like him and his brother
for being snobby, for sure.

1494
01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:00.439
Yeah, that's the whole kind of
joke of that show. I wonder if

1495
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:04.359
a lot of what took people back, Dan is that you just don't look

1496
01:42:04.479 --> 01:42:11.199
like the type of person that would
care enough to order a very small amount

1497
01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:14.279
of dessert wine in which you would
sip and be like, yes, this

1498
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:19.640
is a good sherry. Just the
I just want to booze is not pretentious.

1499
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:25.520
I mean, I mean, yeah, they can be, and they're

1500
01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:30.640
like they're like hyper flavorful, so
like aal thing that people do with sherry

1501
01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:33.800
as they cook with it. It's
like very common to cook with sherry.

1502
01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:39.960
I actually wonder if it's more common
for people to put sherry in their food

1503
01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:43.239
and like as a cooking wine than
it is for them to just drink it

1504
01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:46.880
straight for I don't know why you
just order a beer. It's not illegal

1505
01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:50.279
to order a beer for dessert.
I could have done that, that's true.

1506
01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:53.600
I don't know. Sometimes the sugar
at the end of the meal is

1507
01:42:53.680 --> 01:43:00.680
nice. Helps digestion, helps capertif
right, like there's like before all right,

1508
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:03.239
I'm going to correct you if you're
wrong. I know I'm the heeling

1509
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:10.239
heret it you low life pieces of
ship you eat sometimes a little bit of

1510
01:43:10.279 --> 01:43:13.520
alcohol and maybe that's why it's small. Like and have you ever heard of

1511
01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:17.920
ice wine, which is also like
ice wine is like really sweet and you

1512
01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:20.359
don't get a lot of it.
You get like a little bit. And

1513
01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:25.000
I think the whole point of it
is like, this is a little bit

1514
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:28.359
that you have at the end of
your meal, and it's to replace dessert.

1515
01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:30.640
Sometimes. This was a large glass, like I had trouble getting through

1516
01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:35.920
it, Like this tastes gross.
Yeah, it's maybe because nobody ordered it.

1517
01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:41.000
They just gave you a big,
fucking huge glass of ship. Can't

1518
01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:43.560
get through this fucking bottle? Just
give them all of it. Yeah.

1519
01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:46.920
The back was like watch this dickhead
try and drink this entire glass of sherry.

1520
01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:49.880
I knew it was weird when the
fucking guy came out of the kitchen,

1521
01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:53.119
was like, who was it?
Like, that's such a weird.

1522
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.560
But let me, uh, let
me see what did he say? Okay,

1523
01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:02.720
I'll paraphrase from that. Oh my
god, I would say, you

1524
01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.560
can drink a beer at the end
of your meal. For the record,

1525
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:10.640
cocktail, what's the equal of a
sherry? Of beers? It would be

1526
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:14.640
like a sweet, not a sweet, but like a make you like a

1527
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:21.800
sweet coffee stout almost whole meal.
Now that your meal is done, you

1528
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:27.760
have like a little, a little
snick snack of a drink as your dessert.

1529
01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:35.079
Yeah or sorry? Dan Berts is
like, he said, remind me

1530
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:39.199
to tell you the story about Dan
ordering a glass of sherry at dinner tonight.

1531
01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:41.680
I was like, no, you
need to tell me immediately right now.

1532
01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:45.039
He was looking at the dessert.
He's looking at dessert menu while the

1533
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:46.840
restress ordering coffee. In his head, he was thinking he didn't want a

1534
01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:51.760
caffe beverage because he's flying tomorrow,
so he randomly ordered sherry after confirming that

1535
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:59.640
it didn't have kaffy did I ask, does have any? I don't know.

1536
01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:04.039
That sounds like I would have come
out of the back as well.

1537
01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:09.920
And then like, who is this
person? I should specify a decaf sherry

1538
01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:14.840
please, But he's like, no
one ever orders. So the sommelier came

1539
01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:18.279
out to see who is a like
minded individual who wanted dry sherry? Way?

1540
01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:21.560
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait bar back. It was

1541
01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:28.479
okay, I didn't realize you ordered
a dry sherry. That's what's that is

1542
01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:30.680
that weirder? It's it's not as
sweet and it's going to taste more like

1543
01:45:32.039 --> 01:45:36.079
like funky. Yeah it was gross. Yeah, I mean it's an acquired

1544
01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:42.600
didn't like this at Glass of its
restaurant. Why are they serving this gross

1545
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:45.439
thing? It's a yeah, that's
a dry sherry can be. But he

1546
01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:49.600
said you powered through it like a
champ. Yeah is it? But uh,

1547
01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:54.720
here anytime, both of you.
I'll move on after this, just

1548
01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:58.560
so people can stop fifteen second forwarding
that don't want to listen to this.

1549
01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:01.560
I don't give a shit. I
don't give a fuck. Next time you're

1550
01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.119
here, I'm going to bring you
to a wine bar that's gonna become your

1551
01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:09.359
favorite place ever. It's okay down
at Tribeca. Their menu is spelled out

1552
01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:13.079
behind the bar with fridge magnets.
It's punk music playing. They project like

1553
01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:17.520
great British bakeoff on the projector on
the wall. The head saw him there.

1554
01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:19.760
His name is Paul Grico. If
you look him up, he's actually

1555
01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:23.560
like a local New York celebrity within
the wine steat. He comes over,

1556
01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.720
he's like, what are you guys
in the mood for? He's got this

1557
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:30.600
like uh pharaoh ish go tea trying
to think of what the style would be

1558
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:34.600
called. But he comes over and
he's wearing like kind of skater clothes.

1559
01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:36.960
He's like, what do you guys
want? What are you guys looking for?

1560
01:46:38.119 --> 01:46:39.399
What are you in the mood for? I was like, uh,

1561
01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:42.479
just like this and that. He's
like, I got a recommendation kick gas

1562
01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.760
of cdity it's gonna fuck you up
with like it's how this cannon Steel's like,

1563
01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:47.760
all right, that sounds great.
I think you guys would like this

1564
01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:51.399
place a lot. I you know
what, maybe you can suggest this for

1565
01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:55.159
me with my dad coming in,
I'm liking making cocktails a lot now.

1566
01:46:55.159 --> 01:47:00.399
I like the idea of making cocktails
for people. Knowing my dad, who

1567
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.960
you know, has tried to order
you know, Red Bull vodkas at Don

1568
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:10.079
Lee's bars. What should I make
him? You know, you can find

1569
01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:17.000
he likes your dryest cherry please,
you cherry please, as long as it's

1570
01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:23.640
uncaffeinated. He cannot tell the difference. He can't tell the difference between a

1571
01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:26.600
seven and seven and a Red Bull
vodka. Like he literally can't tell.

1572
01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:30.199
He's the least discerning palate ever.
Can you think of something that is maybe

1573
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:33.039
a strong enough flavor or whiskey,
like a good whiskey cocktail or something I

1574
01:47:33.039 --> 01:47:36.600
could make him. He might like
a whiskey sour, which is fairly simple.

1575
01:47:36.880 --> 01:47:42.119
I've got Madori sour is that we
use. No sour uses mai.

1576
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:46.800
Okay, whiskey sour uses whiskey.
I have a vodka sour. What do

1577
01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:49.279
you think about? I don't know
what is. I just don't have a

1578
01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:56.039
green bottle. It's it's like melon
melon flavor. Yeah, okay, it's

1579
01:47:56.079 --> 01:48:01.640
goods are like guilty pine apple.
That sounds good too, tastes like the

1580
01:48:01.680 --> 01:48:06.199
beach. I have pineapple juice.
I could probably make pineapple and it's it's

1581
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:10.720
easy ship to make. Oh you
know what I do at Halloween. I

1582
01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:15.000
do Madori pineapples and I get dry
ice and it looks like uh like green

1583
01:48:15.279 --> 01:48:18.159
witches brew. That's awesome. That's
great. Way I get. You can

1584
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:21.199
buy dry ice from like any regular
store. I know he doesn't have a

1585
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:25.680
discerning palate, but if you want
to wow him, get some dry ice.

1586
01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:30.279
Did you drink smoked? This has
been an easy thing to get into

1587
01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:32.640
the cocktail stuff, because like I
text Mike a lot about up there,

1588
01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:35.840
you know, give me advice and
stuff like that. And also Don Lee,

1589
01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:40.000
who Mike I took it at his
bar. He's legit, like Mike

1590
01:48:40.079 --> 01:48:43.479
you probably know this morning. He's
like one of the world's best mixologists.

1591
01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:46.760
Right. Uh, that's putting it
lightly. He's like he is sought after

1592
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:51.439
at like the nicest restaurants to be
their cocktail bar builder, to like design

1593
01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:57.000
their cocktail mineys. Yes, he's
like written about in cocktail books. And

1594
01:48:57.079 --> 01:48:59.560
he was a beast cast fan who
like he was the one who set me

1595
01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:01.359
and my add up with like his
different bars where my dad would order,

1596
01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:06.439
like Don would have the people there
like plan you know, we're gonna name

1597
01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:09.680
this this is the Kansas City or
something, and my dad would be like,

1598
01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:11.399
Ah, I'm good, I'm just
gonna get a Red Bull vodka.

1599
01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:15.000
We don't have that serviuce. It's
like the the best in the world is

1600
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:17.600
just like a texta way has been
helping me so much with that stuff.

1601
01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:20.880
And Mike, you've been act sweet
stuff though, right Like if he likes

1602
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:25.399
red Bull vodka because is very sweet, he just wants that so he stays

1603
01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:29.479
up. It's just purely a utilitarian
thing. Rum and coke guy. He

1604
01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:32.319
wouldn't say no try it. You
might like, honestly, you're having a

1605
01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:34.880
my tie right now, or you
had my tie that's what I made earlier.

1606
01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:39.399
Yeah, that was really I think
he'd like my tie. That's lemon

1607
01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.239
and boozy. And I mean I
told you this earlier. You asking me

1608
01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:44.640
like what what kind of ice to
use? And I was telling you is

1609
01:49:44.680 --> 01:49:49.159
like, you're making the perfect cocktail. For the record time, I would

1610
01:49:49.159 --> 01:49:53.359
try a whiskey sour, a whiskey
soower. I don't even tell him what

1611
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:56.279
it is, or a paper plane, which is similar to a whiskey sour

1612
01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:59.079
in a way, and it's that
it's probably in that app you use.

1613
01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:01.119
Maybe I'll I'm hosting a poker game
for our night. Maybe I'll make a

1614
01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:04.239
round for everyone. The paper plane
has bourbon and scotch in it. For

1615
01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:08.720
the record, if he likes scotch
but the scotch is light, he doesn't

1616
01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:13.600
know the difference or care said that, I might have been mixing that up.

1617
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:15.439
A penicillin has scotch in it,
I don't know whether a paper plane

1618
01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:18.000
does. But yeah, and he
like bourbon based like I think he liked

1619
01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:21.600
those. Just look those up.
I can't tell how many times we've been

1620
01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:24.520
in the bar and the bartender has
been like, what do you want,

1621
01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:27.560
and he'll be like, I don't
care, just put something brown in the

1622
01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:31.840
glass. That makes me go ah, okay, classic, incredible. Does

1623
01:50:31.880 --> 01:50:35.920
he like old fashions? He would, It's just he would think it's fancy

1624
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:39.039
and pretentious. You don't have to
tell him what it is. Just make

1625
01:50:39.119 --> 01:50:41.760
something like a whiskey. He wouldn't. Honestly, he wouldn't even think about

1626
01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:44.520
it, wouldn't sour. A whiskey
sour does not, at a glance look

1627
01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:46.520
pretentious like a whiskey sour has the
foam on top from the egg white but

1628
01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:50.760
brown, and it also makes you
go off like it. You know,

1629
01:50:51.399 --> 01:50:57.239
it ticks the boxes. Okay,
whiskey sour is just I think a very

1630
01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.239
default one is just bourbon, lemon
juice, egg white. You do a

1631
01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:05.960
dry shake without ice, so the
egg say that was the basic. That's

1632
01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:10.760
yeah, this is why people write
in about you. Look, I'm not

1633
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:16.319
making eggs I have to look up
how to make egg sour is sour mix

1634
01:51:16.439 --> 01:51:23.239
and whiskey. No it's not marry, I'm listening. Okay. This is

1635
01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:27.439
this is me knowing that there's a
better world in which is just as easy

1636
01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:31.039
to make a real one that you
don't buy bullshit. This is one when

1637
01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:36.640
Bonk was like, make me something
easy drinking and I made the did drink

1638
01:51:36.680 --> 01:51:42.439
ever and like this is what this
is the disconnect? He was like,

1639
01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:45.199
what's a simple drink that he won't
think is pretentious? And you were like

1640
01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:48.840
a whiskey sour whiskey egg white in
there. You shake it like a whiskey

1641
01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:58.199
mak. Yeah, fucking Mary called
I made. I made those fish sharels

1642
01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:00.960
that let in Minneapolis. And Bonk
is like, this is fucking delicious,

1643
01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:02.439
So fuck you d it up for
it? Fuck you go fuck yourself.

1644
01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:08.960
Fuck I will learned that you would
like literally sniff your own farts every episode

1645
01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:12.039
consistently, and people write in about
it, and you're like, it's the

1646
01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:18.359
world that's wrong. Okay, that's
that's okay. Well I agree with both

1647
01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:25.560
of you. Uh let's bring Okayla
another friends slash Dan, you want to

1648
01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:29.319
read this one? Yes, Hey, fire Escapers, big fan of the

1649
01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:31.960
podcast. Just listen to your most
recent episode and loved hearing about everyone's nostalgic

1650
01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:35.119
moments with video games as a kid. And my question relates to that.

1651
01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:39.159
What is your favorite video game memory
as a kid that you had with the

1652
01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:43.359
sibling or friend. I have many
memories from my childhood with Dan, but

1653
01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:45.239
the one that I remember most is
when my sister Katie and I would watch

1654
01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:48.960
Dan play Mario sixty four. He
would play the level where you defeate Bowser,

1655
01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:53.239
and the star would float silently in
the middle of the platform. Dan

1656
01:52:53.319 --> 01:52:57.239
would crank the TV to maximum volume, put Mario a good three feet away

1657
01:52:57.279 --> 01:53:00.600
from the start, and start crawling
as slow as he could towards the star.

1658
01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:03.479
Katie and I were at the edge
of our seats waiting for Mario to

1659
01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.359
reach the star, and when he
did, Holy hell, was it loud

1660
01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:10.640
again? You guys have a fantastic
podcast. And thanks Mike and Mary for

1661
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:13.640
being such great friends with my brother
Dan. That's Kayla, Kayla, thank

1662
01:53:13.720 --> 01:53:17.279
you for writing and Kayla love Aaron
from you. Yes, that was that.

1663
01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:19.880
That was a highlight. They always
watched me play games, Kayla,

1664
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:25.199
especially Kayla really constantly was watching me
play games. But yeah, I would

1665
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:28.199
like turn that CRT up as loud
as possible, because like when you beat

1666
01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:30.720
Bowser, after you throw another thing
three times, it's completely silent and the

1667
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.520
only thing you hear is like I
would analog sticks, just the tiniest bit

1668
01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:39.119
and you would just hear, Oh
yeah, Papa. I cranked the volume

1669
01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:42.920
all the way and then I would
backlipit at the star and as loud as

1670
01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:45.520
possible to scare the shit out of
him. Yeah. Oddly enough, she

1671
01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:49.800
was asking, like, what's our
favorite video game memories with a sibling or

1672
01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:58.119
a friend. I some of my
most fondest memories of games are watching my

1673
01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:03.239
siblings play. To stand out,
one is Majora's Mask. I watched my

1674
01:54:03.399 --> 01:54:09.239
brother play through that the entirety of
it. We both had pneumonia one week,

1675
01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:13.720
so we were both home from school. He had just gotten Majora's Mask,

1676
01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:15.880
and I was watching him play the
whole thing. And then we also

1677
01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:19.640
were roommates in the same room,
so when we went to bed like sick,

1678
01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:23.920
I would like we would quiz each
other on the game. Be like

1679
01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:27.039
all right, I'd like, how
do you get cafes mask? I was

1680
01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:28.800
like, oh, you gotta do
this and that, and then I was

1681
01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:31.079
like all right, where I was
like, how do you get the dancing

1682
01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:32.600
mask? And he's like, you
got to talk to this guy in the

1683
01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:35.319
second day or whatever, And it
was like one of the best weeks ever.

1684
01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:39.720
I watched him play the whole thing
before I ever touched that game,

1685
01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:45.840
and then the second one was I
with Rainbow six. Rogue Spear was one

1686
01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:50.479
of the last ones to still be
that hardcore, like pick your team,

1687
01:54:51.119 --> 01:54:58.119
map out the squad, the squad
commands on the overworld map before you send

1688
01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:02.039
them in and execute commands before it
went to more Arcadie style, both of

1689
01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:08.159
which I like, but it was
too complex for me as a kid.

1690
01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:12.239
So I'd watched my other brother play
rope Spear a lot in the basement,

1691
01:55:12.439 --> 01:55:17.000
like on our old Gateway computer or
whatever it was, and that was like

1692
01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:19.960
the most intense thing ever. It
was like the opposite. It wasn't calming,

1693
01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:21.640
and I was like, oh,
it's a Zelda game. It was

1694
01:55:21.680 --> 01:55:25.479
like, this is nuts. It's
like I was watching a Tom Clancy movie.

1695
01:55:26.279 --> 01:55:30.239
It was great. But yeah,
It's funny how some of my most

1696
01:55:30.319 --> 01:55:34.960
vivid game memories are watching people play
in the same room. That's such a

1697
01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:39.760
sibling thing though, right, Like, it's not always about you doing that's

1698
01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:42.840
the memory. It's that you shared
it with another person. And now it's

1699
01:55:42.920 --> 01:55:47.880
like kind of this bond that you
have with another person. My favorite childhood

1700
01:55:47.960 --> 01:55:54.199
memories are not me beating a game. It is me hanging out with my

1701
01:55:54.520 --> 01:56:00.800
sister, discovering something about a game, or playing a weird game for the

1702
01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:05.840
first time. I remember when I
was really young, my sister and I

1703
01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:12.680
had a Sega and Sonic Entails.
There was the game, and I mean

1704
01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:15.039
I couldn't play games at all very
well, but my sister could beat them,

1705
01:56:15.159 --> 01:56:18.199
and I was extremely impressed with her
abilities, and she could always do

1706
01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:21.960
better than me, and I thought
she was the coolest kid on the block

1707
01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:27.039
because she could beat every game and
I couldn't. I couldn't get past like

1708
01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:30.640
most levels. So I remember like
being really impressed by her. But I

1709
01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:35.279
also remember this was also around the
same time that I felt like it was

1710
01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:39.399
pretty rare to have a computer in
your household, and it was coveted to

1711
01:56:39.479 --> 01:56:43.600
be able to have a computer.
And my dad sent our family our very

1712
01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:54.000
first computer, and it came installed
with several games, Missed Lemmings, Seventh

1713
01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:59.560
Guest, just these kind of I
know the first two obviously. I think

1714
01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:03.239
Seventh seventh Guests is very weird.
It like kind of has like Missed esque,

1715
01:57:03.359 --> 01:57:10.199
like it's puzzy and there's ghosts and
you're in a house. You're oh,

1716
01:57:10.359 --> 01:57:13.680
holy shit, I remember this now. I have not thought about this

1717
01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:17.239
name years. Stuff going on,
like like, you know, I got

1718
01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:20.279
to get out of this house.
I was like a wrinkle in my brain

1719
01:57:20.359 --> 01:57:26.640
I have not accessed in decades.
They were all on CD robs right,

1720
01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:32.319
like we were putting these CDs in
and I could not fathom solving a puzzle

1721
01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:35.600
like this. And I think some
of my best memories and I don't know

1722
01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:39.920
if I have like a vivid memory
of like I was at this level in

1723
01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:43.720
Seventh Guests. The point is is
like I have these vivid memories of my

1724
01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:49.239
sister being able to solve puzzles in
mist that I would never have thought of,

1725
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:55.199
and thinking she was the smartest girl
in the world, and she was

1726
01:57:55.279 --> 01:58:00.359
the coolest person I knew. There
was like this moment in time when like

1727
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:05.119
younger siblings think their older sibling is
so cool, so smart, and so

1728
01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:10.680
important, and the older sibling is
like, I don't like you or care

1729
01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:15.520
about you, but you can stand
here and watch me be very good at

1730
01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:19.479
this game. And I remember thinking
like, damn, what a what an

1731
01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:24.960
amazing person you are. But I
don't actually remember like a lot about the

1732
01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:28.079
game. I just remember that she
was way smarter than me and could could

1733
01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:30.039
do it. Yeah. I was
always intimidated by a lot of games because

1734
01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:34.119
they were playing like Okerina of Time
when I was so complicated for a time

1735
01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:41.239
was ninety eight, Yeah that was
seven. It's like it was I was

1736
01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:44.319
too young to really grasp how to
get I think I was too young to

1737
01:58:44.399 --> 01:58:46.880
get really through that game. Then
when I finally started playing it, I

1738
01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:51.159
got to Jabu Jabu's belly and something
about Jabu Jabu's belly, and then that

1739
01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:55.119
freaked me out. So I'd had
my brother beat that for me. As

1740
01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:58.159
an adult, I could do the
forest and fire temples, but the Water

1741
01:58:58.279 --> 01:59:00.479
Temple. I mean, in my
defense, the water time is a bit

1742
01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:03.560
complicated, notorious. Yeah, but
then I was fine with the shadow.

1743
01:59:04.079 --> 01:59:10.039
I finish the water Temple. It's
not that hard. Eight years old.

1744
01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:15.039
Now, I'm just fucking idiot figure
it out just so left each time.

1745
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:17.439
I have better things to do than
play Okarina Time. These days, I

1746
01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:26.840
have many many soires to attend.
Oh sherry to sip, that's thing,

1747
01:59:27.479 --> 01:59:32.119
the water balloons to fill with champagne
before I hurl them at Disney adults.

1748
01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:38.399
I have other things to do,
but the Shadow Temple, for some reason,

1749
01:59:38.479 --> 01:59:40.399
never creep me out, even though
now as an adult, the Shadow

1750
01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:44.640
Temple creeps me out. The hands
are fucked up, yep, yeah,

1751
01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:49.520
what else redeads down there? Yeah, it's been a while. The bottom

1752
01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:53.560
of the well of that boss where
you get the lendustry, that thing is

1753
01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:56.680
uh, what the hell is that
thing called? I wrote a whole Polygon

1754
01:59:57.039 --> 02:00:00.119
post about it. This year.
I didn't play that again. It's been

1755
02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:02.239
too long. I played twenty twenties
for last time I played through it.

1756
02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:08.640
It's it's still versions great. Yeah. I played an upper as version of

1757
02:00:08.720 --> 02:00:12.840
that on PC, the three DS
one with like texture packs and everything,

1758
02:00:12.880 --> 02:00:15.439
and looked awesome. I'm charging my
three DS. Well, it's charged,

1759
02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:18.159
but it's plugged in right now.
I'm going to do a new Fire Emblem

1760
02:00:18.239 --> 02:00:23.840
Awakening playthrough. Oh that's that's my
favorite one. I was gonna say that's

1761
02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:28.239
probably my favorite. And then three
Houses Oh shit, yeah, I'm looking

1762
02:00:28.239 --> 02:00:30.119
at this mike. When I was
talking about streaming that three DS one with

1763
02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:32.479
the texture packs, I was like, wait, what's the mike on that?

1764
02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:36.439
And yeah, I just search it's
on YouTube The Legend of Zel dan

1765
02:00:36.560 --> 02:00:41.800
Oka Record of Time three d HD
with Mike Maharty. Yes, you're on

1766
02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:45.319
these. You couldn't figure out how
to get me into the pun How you

1767
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:48.800
joined in? I think yeah because
part one. You know you're on per

1768
02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:54.960
one party. Yeah, with Mike
Harty and guests. Wow, I had

1769
02:00:55.039 --> 02:01:00.199
hair. This is early pandemic here, Dan. Yeah. Okay, how

1770
02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:03.520
you can tell you? Was I
at your place? No, you're on

1771
02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:06.640
camera here. You might have joined
for a little bit. It looks like

1772
02:01:06.680 --> 02:01:10.279
you're in the first couple of hours
and then I go for like four more

1773
02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:14.119
hours. Okay, okay, interesting. Yeah, I can always replay that.

1774
02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:16.319
I'm gonna Yeah, I don't know
what what's appealing. I was like,

1775
02:01:16.399 --> 02:01:18.600
I for some reason, I want
to get away from my Steam back

1776
02:01:18.640 --> 02:01:21.159
and I switch because I've used them
so much. I'm like, all right,

1777
02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:25.119
I got my own three DS.
I got the Monster Hunter Edition three

1778
02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:29.159
DS, the big one. I'll
just play some Fire Awakening because I love

1779
02:01:29.199 --> 02:01:31.760
those games, and I loved Engage, but that didn't scratch the same etch

1780
02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:35.720
as the best ones. Awakening is
the one that I really stuck with because

1781
02:01:35.720 --> 02:01:39.479
then once you see speaking of like
a game, whose structure changes once you

1782
02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:44.399
see what it's building toward in the
latter half with the family members, children

1783
02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:46.640
and whatnot. Stuff's awesome. Well, thank you, Kayla. Yeah,

1784
02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:54.680
it's good to go back to the
originals like those, those like timeless moments.

1785
02:01:54.920 --> 02:01:58.640
I also, I'll add this is
not like the most important, but

1786
02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:03.439
I'll never forget going over to my
cousins and seeing them play Doom and I

1787
02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:08.640
had never seen a violin before and
being like, oh my god. First

1788
02:02:08.680 --> 02:02:11.720
of all, I didn't know these
existed because my mom would never let me

1789
02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:15.680
get like a game where you're in
hell, but also like heads on spikes

1790
02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:18.119
and you're shooting demons and you're going
through corridors, and I was like,

1791
02:02:18.199 --> 02:02:23.079
this is blowing my fucking mind.
And my older cousin was like, should

1792
02:02:23.119 --> 02:02:26.000
she even be in the room,
And I'm like, oh my god,

1793
02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:30.640
this is puting my mind. That's
exactly me with my older cousin, Matt.

1794
02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:32.880
He was Doom, Mortal Kombat,
South Park, gave me my first

1795
02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:36.279
beers Like that was totally me and
Matt like watching him play this. He

1796
02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:40.159
had a gaming PC and I never
had that, and so he would show

1797
02:02:40.199 --> 02:02:42.800
me all the like Wolf and Stein
and do. This is fuck awesome,

1798
02:02:43.199 --> 02:02:46.720
ruining your innocence. You gotta see
this, like watch me do this fatality

1799
02:02:46.800 --> 02:02:51.600
and you're like, oh my god, do you squeeze their eyeballs out?

1800
02:02:51.640 --> 02:02:58.439
And he's like fuck yeah, And
that cousin is like unbelievably cool to you

1801
02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:02.840
for that. Yeah, yeah,
percent Yeah. I had a bunch of

1802
02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:05.960
those two. I was like,
because my siblings for a part of my

1803
02:03:06.079 --> 02:03:11.119
life were not super I think they
were just like afraid to get in trouble

1804
02:03:11.279 --> 02:03:13.920
enough where they weren't doing that kind
of stuff. But then after a while

1805
02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:16.000
they're like fuck it. But I
had cousins who did not give a ship.

1806
02:03:16.359 --> 02:03:20.960
M m all right, well thank
you, Kayla. Yeah. As

1807
02:03:21.039 --> 02:03:25.520
usually, you can run into fire
Escape Cast at gmail dot com with questions,

1808
02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:30.720
comments, reactions, do it beat
criticism, which I usually just throw

1809
02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:36.279
right in the trash, But Mike
Manatti gets a pass next time. I

1810
02:03:36.840 --> 02:03:40.560
next time, I can't be on
this. Let's call it right now,

1811
02:03:40.800 --> 02:03:45.079
minates replacing me. Yeah, we
can also just do uh why would why

1812
02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:49.479
wouldn't he replace either one of us? I specifically on so if me or

1813
02:03:49.720 --> 02:03:55.560
Mary are gone? Yeah, because
I want what if you both were not

1814
02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:58.920
here and I just had Manti on. You know what, if that ever

1815
02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:01.840
happens, that's what's happening. But
I think if either me or Mary can't

1816
02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:04.680
make an episode, we're getting Anati. We can also just bring him on

1817
02:04:04.760 --> 02:04:12.479
as a fourth I think that as
president four edition. No, we've done

1818
02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:15.239
two, we've done three. I
think three is a good number. Yeah,

1819
02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:17.800
we did that. We did a
couple two, Well did me and

1820
02:04:17.920 --> 02:04:23.720
Hanson when both of you were out
one time, So the only two might

1821
02:04:23.760 --> 02:04:29.840
have been I think so because Vinnie's
been on. Three is manageable. Four

1822
02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:33.800
works definitely more than four gets a
little Harry. Yeah. Two, you

1823
02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:36.960
got to have the right two people
like I, someone like a Hanson or

1824
02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:40.159
either of you. You know,
I could do a two person with and

1825
02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:44.159
if you find us, like one
person in a hot tub is fine,

1826
02:04:44.279 --> 02:04:47.079
but it's like, I don't know, you're alone. There's not a lot

1827
02:04:47.119 --> 02:04:51.159
to talk about or do. Two
people in a hot tub this is great.

1828
02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:55.560
There's a lot of partying going on. It could get three people in

1829
02:04:55.640 --> 02:05:00.920
a hot tub, all right.
The water's getting pretty high. We're having

1830
02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:03.960
a good time. Four people.
I'm on your feet. It's getting weird,

1831
02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:10.039
it's getting sexy and Mary, weren't
me and you in a hot tub

1832
02:05:10.079 --> 02:05:15.880
for like six hours at Maharty's bachelor
at the finances? Yeah, or like

1833
02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:20.720
drunk talking about the craziest thing is
that like nobody's outside, Ok, this

1834
02:05:20.920 --> 02:05:27.920
is this is Mike Maharty's like bachelor
party. Everybody's rainy, partying and having

1835
02:05:27.960 --> 02:05:32.399
a good time and like taking shots
Daniel Frunk in a hot tub just talking

1836
02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:38.319
about like our retirement plans and our
four oh one k's and we get like

1837
02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:44.159
hours talking about many hours. It
was fun. I missed that I should

1838
02:05:44.199 --> 02:05:49.039
have come outside. It was good. Yeah, I know exactly, but

1839
02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:55.960
I knew where me and my fiance
were. Come on, wait where we

1840
02:05:57.960 --> 02:06:01.119
what do you mean? Yes?
Why could hear you? Oh we're laughing.

1841
02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:06.760
We get noise complaints here? It's
uh, we're gonna we're just in

1842
02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:11.319
a We're on the top floor of
a building. They it's either noise complaints

1843
02:06:11.359 --> 02:06:13.279
or they're concerned. They're like,
what's happening up there? It's like,

1844
02:06:13.279 --> 02:06:16.239
oh, that's just pure joy.
We're like, can you guys keep it

1845
02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:19.800
down out in there please? Dan? So you're gonna want to do a

1846
02:06:19.920 --> 02:06:24.199
match for at least four percent,
Well, you're gonna want to put the

1847
02:06:24.399 --> 02:06:27.920
other five percent. You get the
wroth gotta get the roths going yeah,

1848
02:06:28.199 --> 02:06:32.479
yeah, row row, Well the
index funds, mutual funds. That's important,

1849
02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:34.720
you know, going there with the
b O O the QQQ. The

1850
02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:39.039
text actor is doing great, triple
Q. Dude, talk to me,

1851
02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:43.600
keep going, baby boy. QQQ
is good. I like QQQ keep it

1852
02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:46.039
down in there. Oh god,
what if? What's what if? That's

1853
02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:50.039
our first big spin off from fire
Escape as a finance podcast. We're talking

1854
02:06:50.239 --> 02:06:56.119
we were talking about like shares vesting
and just the most adult boring ship,

1855
02:06:56.479 --> 02:07:00.119
drunken out concision and I don't even
know if it was like making sense like

1856
02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:01.520
a be if we heard it now
would be like, that's not good advice.

1857
02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:05.279
Let's start a finance podcast. But
we record every episode remotely, and

1858
02:07:05.319 --> 02:07:11.199
we're both in hot tubs and different. I want a really good fun for

1859
02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:15.640
the name though. Oh okay,
we'll have to work on that. Bubble

1860
02:07:16.359 --> 02:07:20.000
bubbles. There's bubbles and it would
be a hot tub term and a and

1861
02:07:20.079 --> 02:07:28.359
a money term, yeah, something
and something. I think jets, no

1862
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:32.000
jets. There's like the jets,
there's the water, there's the what else

1863
02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:43.960
you associate with hot tubs one hundred
and three degrees of I need give me

1864
02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:47.000
well, I just sit on marinate
for a while. We have to marinate

1865
02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:53.079
at the end of these episodes.
Yes, uh, hot tub, tip

1866
02:07:54.960 --> 02:08:03.039
tub, no tubs, something machine, there's something there stocks and SuDS and

1867
02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:11.399
ticks and I don't have money machine
to know we need on next episode we

1868
02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:18.920
come up with the name of it'll
be great, I'll get some upset that

1869
02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:22.199
we can't do it. I know
we should be better than this. Theoretically,

1870
02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:26.119
very hypothetically, if one of our
spinoff podcasts was just me by myself

1871
02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:30.880
talking about wine, how many listeners
do you think it would get per episode?

1872
02:08:35.520 --> 02:08:39.640
I think you'd get by fifty after
the novelty wears off of like for

1873
02:08:39.720 --> 02:08:43.039
the first episode. After two months, you'd be down to about forty.

1874
02:08:43.079 --> 02:08:45.199
I think it'd be more than five
fifty for the first one because people will

1875
02:08:45.199 --> 02:08:50.439
be like morbidly curious, Yeah,
what is going to bed? I might

1876
02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:56.079
have like a dozen It's just me, no guests and me, and I'm

1877
02:08:56.159 --> 02:09:01.000
frequently just stating incorrect facts that sounds
great for everywhere and mispronouncing French ones.

1878
02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:03.920
So it's like a podcast literally for
no one. The people who don't like

1879
02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:07.439
wine think you're pretentious. The people
that do think you don't know what you're

1880
02:09:07.439 --> 02:09:11.439
talking about. Yep, there's someone
in the middle. It's like he's all

1881
02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:16.119
right. Sometimes would a band I
listen to it? No? Okay,

1882
02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.279
she here's it enough? When we're
out, it's like too specific. It's

1883
02:09:20.319 --> 02:09:24.159
like such a niche that no one
cares and it immediately fails. But we,

1884
02:09:24.520 --> 02:09:28.800
for a moment in time, are
like funny. Remember when we sat

1885
02:09:28.840 --> 02:09:31.199
in a hot tub and talked about
this talk march? Okay, okay,

1886
02:09:31.239 --> 02:09:35.520
wait, does this work for the
name of our hot tub financing bulls?

1887
02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:39.600
Bears and bubbles? Yeah, that's
good. Where is that too wordy?

1888
02:09:39.800 --> 02:09:43.319
Is that too well? Yeah?
But that that would be included in the

1889
02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:52.239
finance both bears and bubbles m h
bear market, bubble market. Maybe we'll

1890
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:54.880
keep working on it. It's only
two syllables more than this show. That's

1891
02:09:54.920 --> 02:10:00.039
true. That's true. I gotta
get a hot tub. I got I

1892
02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:07.640
have hot tubs. It's nice.
It's nice to have. I would say,

1893
02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:11.760
I love my freaking hot tub.
My issue with it is like they're

1894
02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:16.079
very expensive to keep up and it
becomes like a gym membership. Where it's

1895
02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:20.880
like that hot tub is expensive,
we should get in that hot tub.

1896
02:10:20.920 --> 02:10:22.560
And then you know, like I
love being in the hot tub, but

1897
02:10:22.600 --> 02:10:26.359
it's this thing that looms over me
that I need to be a hot tub

1898
02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:30.239
because it's expensive to like all the
chemicals. Also, I have a wooden

1899
02:10:30.720 --> 02:10:33.079
tub, which is rad It's like
one of those like old like perfect circle

1900
02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:37.520
Japanese tubs. So it's like really
fun to look at getting a bugy nights.

1901
02:10:37.000 --> 02:10:41.680
More maintenance, more effort. You
got to sand the wood down,

1902
02:10:41.760 --> 02:10:45.159
you got to keep up those chemis. Everything's gotta be perfect all the time.

1903
02:10:45.560 --> 02:10:50.960
Hot liquidity, Oh h that's good. Hot. It's all hot.

1904
02:10:50.039 --> 02:10:54.439
There's something hot would be a good
word for it. Hot tub. You

1905
02:10:54.520 --> 02:11:00.359
want market is your cash? Liquid
is like an important thing? All right,

1906
02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:03.439
this is what our emails for.
Stop complaining about me criticizing Disney dolt.

1907
02:11:03.520 --> 02:11:09.039
Start writing in your puns about finance
based podcast. It take place in

1908
02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.479
a hot tub. Yes, remote
hot tub. We're gonna crowd We're going

1909
02:11:11.520 --> 02:11:16.800
to crowd source our hot tub finance
podcast. We will read the best tub

1910
02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:22.800
trading is that trading is good?
Kind of sounds like top thumping that song.

1911
02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:24.960
And we can make the theme song
a play on that. There's a

1912
02:11:26.119 --> 02:11:30.119
song called tub Okay, get up, Adam, the socks go up again

1913
02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:33.079
and then go down again and never
got to keep me down? Okay,

1914
02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:37.279
okay, No, that's got no
top thumping is the name of the song.

1915
02:11:37.399 --> 02:11:41.880
That's the name of the song.
Is it to yeah tumble one?

1916
02:11:41.920 --> 02:11:46.119
Yeah? Right in. I'll have
another thing. Write in your puns.

1917
02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:48.840
We'll read the best ones, and
by that I mean all of them.

1918
02:11:50.479 --> 02:11:54.479
Tough traders. That's fire Escape Cast
at gmail dot com. That's episode seventy

1919
02:11:54.479 --> 02:12:00.199
four. Episode seventy five is half
weeks. What is that? There a

1920
02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:05.439
word for that? Yeah, it
has been No, it's been fun.

1921
02:12:09.800 --> 02:12:13.359
Three fourth centennial. Yeah, we've
been doing this for one hundred years.

1922
02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:22.279
Almost not long enough. Mary,
tell them about merch. We have some.

1923
02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:26.800
We haven't updated it in a minute, but we did make a custom

1924
02:12:26.880 --> 02:12:30.439
T shirt of us in space,
which I think is pretty cool. We

1925
02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:35.199
also have, just like our logo, on a variety of items, mugs,

1926
02:12:37.359 --> 02:12:41.880
mouse pads, beanies, beanies.
There's a sweaters. We have a

1927
02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:46.960
crop sweater which is really cute and
comes to a tiety of pastel colors.

1928
02:12:48.479 --> 02:12:52.960
We both wear around the apartment.
The crop. I'd love to see you

1929
02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:56.960
in a crop sweater, Mike,
everybody would. I have to pick my

1930
02:12:58.039 --> 02:13:01.439
spots when I work because I like
the fires game. The shirts are actually

1931
02:13:01.439 --> 02:13:03.159
really good material. But I kind
of in my head. No one's told

1932
02:13:03.199 --> 02:13:07.000
me to do this, but I
I don't like the idea of wearing fire

1933
02:13:07.119 --> 02:13:09.199
Escape stuff during the week because I'm
on giant bomb stuff all the time,

1934
02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:11.159
and I just feel like it would
be weird. I'd feel like I'd be

1935
02:13:11.199 --> 02:13:13.880
plugging a side thing during my day
job. So, like, I got

1936
02:13:15.000 --> 02:13:16.800
to pick my spots. I gotta
be like, I want to wear this

1937
02:13:16.880 --> 02:13:18.800
shirt. Okay, I'm not not
gonna be Okay, what are they?

1938
02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:20.720
So? Yeah, it's it's tough, is what I'm saying. Send me

1939
02:13:22.319 --> 02:13:26.159
you guys wearing photos of the T
shirts. I keep them, I have

1940
02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:33.159
them on our Instagram. I have
hot people wearing her merch. I want

1941
02:13:33.319 --> 02:13:35.600
more hot wearing our merch. That
stuff is all you can just show me

1942
02:13:35.720 --> 02:13:39.439
that. You can all just go
to Firescape merch dot com for most of

1943
02:13:39.479 --> 02:13:43.600
that. If you want Firescape in
space, that's on Bonfire with the Bonfire

1944
02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:46.079
one. Yeah, go to Bonfire. It's on our Instagram. You could

1945
02:13:46.079 --> 02:13:50.000
find the link. Dan's trying to
breathe in space, Mary's trying to save

1946
02:13:50.039 --> 02:13:54.640
him. I'm trying to cut Mary's
oxygen supply. It's a good start.

1947
02:13:54.720 --> 02:13:56.960
It was so funny, like talking
to the artist as well, and I

1948
02:13:58.039 --> 02:14:00.800
was like, can you actually kind
of like really hammer home that Mike is

1949
02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:03.479
trying to murder me? And they
added two lines, you know, like

1950
02:14:03.600 --> 02:14:09.159
animated lines a little more. Yeah, they were like, how do we

1951
02:14:09.279 --> 02:14:13.319
show that he's more murdery. Yeah, but it's in the eyes. But

1952
02:14:13.399 --> 02:14:16.399
yeah. You can also go to
our Patreon. If you're not already a

1953
02:14:16.479 --> 02:14:20.079
member, you can just uh treat
it as a tip jar donate whatever you

1954
02:14:20.119 --> 02:14:26.159
want. But there's also ad free
audio episodes and video tier, with which

1955
02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:30.279
we also put bonus episodes when we
get time. The Lethal Company one recently

1956
02:14:30.359 --> 02:14:33.159
that was great. Litle Company was
great. We did a few tier lists

1957
02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:37.159
of candy and fast food. We
should fast track another one. We should

1958
02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:39.479
get another one up in the next
month or so. We got between hell

1959
02:14:39.560 --> 02:14:41.600
divers tier ideas. We got ideas
for sure, we just can't find time

1960
02:14:41.680 --> 02:14:45.920
and record one. Heyday three literally
didn't work for a few weeks, so

1961
02:14:45.960 --> 02:14:48.479
we couldn't do that. I mean, we could, but now held evers

1962
02:14:48.520 --> 02:14:54.199
two is more and another one soon. But yeah, go to Patreon.

1963
02:14:54.399 --> 02:14:58.720
You can just go to fire state
pass dot com for that and then subscribe

1964
02:14:58.800 --> 02:15:01.680
you're not already, and then I
think that's about it. I'll be back

1965
02:15:01.720 --> 02:15:03.239
in a couple of weeks. Dan, what do you have going on in

1966
02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:07.560
the meantime? Giant bomb dot com
specifically that to catch me if you Dan

1967
02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.680
video on YouTube if you look on
there, that was a fun Fargo trip.

1968
02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:15.399
And that said, I need to
get back onto some twitch stuff.

1969
02:15:15.399 --> 02:15:18.359
It's been very, very busy at
the beginning of the year. But Twitch,

1970
02:15:18.560 --> 02:15:20.920
Dan Reichert is where I'm at there. I'd like to get on there

1971
02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:26.479
soon. Mary, what about you
just twitch for now? That's where you

1972
02:15:26.560 --> 02:15:31.439
can find me and I post on
Instagram. I feel like I've completely abandoned

1973
02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:35.640
Twitter. The same Instagram for me
too great. And then one last thing,

1974
02:15:35.720 --> 02:15:39.920
speaking of I guess Mary and I
playing games together or watching someone play

1975
02:15:41.000 --> 02:15:43.479
games. Yeah, if you're not
subscribed to ary YouTube channel, go to

1976
02:15:43.680 --> 02:15:48.119
Firescape cast on YouTube. Mary and
I are putting our Canevil episodes there.

1977
02:15:48.279 --> 02:15:52.359
Long running show, I think sixteenth
seventeenth season. There are a lot of

1978
02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:56.119
Residentevil games. There's a lot of
Resident Evil games, and I've enjoyed them.

1979
02:15:56.199 --> 02:16:01.000
It's been a joy to do them. So yeah, we don't have

1980
02:16:01.039 --> 02:16:03.520
a schedule for that. We do
that literally whenever we can find time,

1981
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:07.319
which is not often these days.
But yeah, we're what'd you just do?

1982
02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:15.479
You just you got through the caves
below the castle. Now you killed

1983
02:16:15.520 --> 02:16:18.279
a regenerator? Yeah, I haven't. So there were the last big boss

1984
02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:24.159
fight where those two giant guys that
can't Oh, you fought the giants and

1985
02:16:24.279 --> 02:16:28.159
one didn't. And I didn't know
that I could have them fall into the

1986
02:16:28.319 --> 02:16:31.360
lava. You know you did,
but you didn't know you had to hold

1987
02:16:31.440 --> 02:16:35.319
the button, so you kept tapping
in Leon's like no, not now,

1988
02:16:35.959 --> 02:16:37.000
and then Louise is like, what
the fuck are you doing? But anyway,

1989
02:16:37.040 --> 02:16:39.840
that's on our YouTube panel. Go
go go follow that after you haven't

1990
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:43.079
already. All right, we will
be back in a couple of weeks.

1991
02:16:43.399 --> 02:16:48.360
Thanks as always for joining us.
We love you, some of you.

1992
02:16:50.399 --> 02:16:54.799
We'll see you. I'll see you
an episode seventy five. You know who

1993
02:16:54.879 --> 02:16:56.959
you are? Yeah, you know, if you have to, if you

1994
02:16:56.040 --> 02:17:00.600
have to ask, probably aren't wig
Okay, bye,