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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're

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always creeping it real. I'm your
host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to

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my paranormal Closet where the stories in
magic take place. Several episodes ago,

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I interviewed Brad Bertelli from the Florida
Keys about his book on the notorious Skunk

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Ape of the Keys. For the
listener. Here's the Skunk Ape is Florida's

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version of Bigfoot. My guest today
was referred to me by Brad. He's

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extremely knowledgeable about the skunk Ape phenomena. He's the Jane Goodall of the Florida

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Ever Plays and has spent his entire
life studying the cryptid skunk Ape and has

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established the official Skunk Ape research headquarters
in Osha, Florida. Joined me and

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welcome in. Yeah, welcome,
Thank you for joining me. Dave Shelley,

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Yeah, it's good to be here
with you. Glad we could get

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together, So tell me how did
you get involved with the skull gate phenomenon?

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When was your first sighting? Well, when I was ten years old,

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just about a half a mile from
where I'm sitting right now. I'm

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on a Lana. I have a
home here in the Everyglades, looking out

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back into what's called the Big Cypress
National Preserve, and this is the property

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I grew up on in My brother
and I are about a half a mile

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back there in the swamp, and
my brother saw something coming and he's like,

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here's a skull gate and we'd heard
about him as kids. I couldn't

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see it. He had to pick
me up where I could see out over

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the grass, and out about a
hundred yards away was this hairy animal like

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a man ape is. I really
don't know how to describe it, six

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and a half feet tall, looked
like a man covered with hair. But

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we'd heard about this growing up as
kids, and so that's kind of how

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it all got started. I'm still
trying to get over your introduction where you've

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compared me to Jane Goodall. That's
how you are actually referred to on the

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Internet. So she's extremely powerful in
what she does, and you seem to

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be very popular and what you do
as well popular. But the popularity just

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comes from my dedication to the research. I've always put that first before myself,

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and so the skun cape is quite
popular and I did help push that

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along it and I don't know,
it's I'm kind of flattered because for many

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years I didn't get a lot of
respect from other researchers, government personnel,

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even National Park Service was reluctant to
think that what I was doing was any

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type of real research. And then, of course, I think, you

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know in two thousand when I took
the video that kind of put the myth

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to rest and shows the reality of
what we have here. Please tell us

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about that video. I briefly read
about it, but I don't know the

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extent of what happened. I have
and you called me, well I did.

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I trusted Brad for Kelly to tell
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you, so well, No,
the video is really the big thing.

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But and you know, I'm blowing
up the video saying this video is huge.

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But in nineteen ninety seven I took
twenty seven photographs in the same area

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and that was worldwide attention. That
was huge. Unsolved mysteries did a whole

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episode of it. It was quite
fascinating. They bring the State archaeologists.

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They did DNA testing, but this
is like, I don't know about you.

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You look pretty young, but I'm
fifty eight years old, so oh,

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thank you. That's really nice.
We're exactly the same age. Yeah.

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I kind of had a feeling.
I don't know why, but they

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came here unsolved mysteries. It was
huge. They did DNA testing, they

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couldn't come up with any results on
that, but the photographs themselves off put

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that into motion. We're just so
compelling. The video was taken in two

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thousand. Now you can go on
I'm gonna tell you what. You go

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to permission and you can put a
link on your site, right m Yeah,

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okay, well the video is available
on the Smithsonian YouTube. You'll see

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the full video. You're welcome to
take a clip of that and post it

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to your podcast as your property.
That's my footage, so you're welcome to

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use that. Thank you. Yes, anyway, I'm giving you permission right

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now. Yeah. People think I
took the pictures to make money. I

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don't you know. That was not
my purpose. My purpose was to prove

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that we have something here. Unusual. We have as many as seven to

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nine skunk apes that live here in
Everglades National Park, in the Big Cypress

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National Preserve. And I guess when
I first started going public with us bringing

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awareness to it, there was a
lot of feedback from Big Foot Organization as

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out in the Pacific Northwest, like, well, there's nothing to eat in

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the Everglades, which we all know
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virtual salad bars, mortgage board of
food if you're knowledgeable, if there's a

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lot of food here. The second
thing was, is Flarida so small,

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it's not big enough to have what
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But actually, the Everglades and in
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three million acres, this is the
largest wild protected area east of the Mississippi

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River. It's huge here, and
a lot of times I'll meet people who

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are like and I've lived here.
My family's been here since eighteen hundred and

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ninety all forms of transportation, We've
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somebody tells me they've been everywhere and
they know every inch of the Everglades,

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I don't laugh in their face,
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hold my breath and a chuckle inside, because nobody knows every inch of the

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Everglade. It's huge. Well,
where do you think these skunk cape came

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from? You know, that's a
really good question, you think, Well,

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Dave, you did ask that question
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cape guy, and that's just a
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question. Where I think they come
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is a big issue now. A
lot of people claim the water's rising and

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it's getting hotter, you know,
and always that the news is pumping up

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the weather. But we've undergone climate
change. Climate change is real. It's

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a natural occurring thing, and you
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earth here in the Everglades, and
you can see it in the prehistoric remains

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we have here. There were actually
two ice ages, and what happened to

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the second the second ice age,
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was a little stronger than the other. But that's what pushed all the humans

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here to Florida. We had saber
cats, we had mastodons, we had

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what's called the mammoth hunter. You
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Indian names like the Seminole and the
Mikasuke, and they're they're much more recent.

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But when you hear these people who
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named tribe. They didn't even have
a real name, not even in not

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even in archaeology. Archaeologists call them
mammoth hunters. That's that's and and so

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we've had this human civilization down here. This is a not only was a

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good hiding place for the Seminole Indians, drug runners and stuff like that,

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this part of Florida was a good
hiding place for species during these ice age

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waves that passed across the earth in
the past. So all kinds of species

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can can live here. We have
a lot of exotic species that have been

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introduced. You know, there's so
much to talk about, so much to

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talk about, the pythons and everything. So it's not highly unlikely that this

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could be something that actually evolved through, you know, the evolition of human

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distory right here with us, but
in very small numbers, very reclusive.

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For whatever reason, maybe they say
that the the ones with the brow overseas

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Neanderthals. They say Neanderthals were really
big and strong, but they were really

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dumb. I mean, they were
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that lived there, and they were
killed. People killed them. They were

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freaks and they didn't want to deal
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were easily killed off. You know. So you know, there's a good

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reason to believe that we do have
something. It does maybe possibly have some

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human characteristics and common sense and has
been able to hide here in the effort

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glates, this huge vast area that's
just not yet to be discovered. That's

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not an impossibility. The new creatures
are discovered all the time. It was

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only one hundred years ago that they
found the mountain grill. It's probably one

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hundred and thirty by now, one
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I get hold so fast, and
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So where did they come from?
Who knows? I could say God,

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I could say from another planet.
I mean, there's people that believe

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that UFOs and big foots or have
things in common. Some people say they

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can quote they're actually smarter than we
are, that they're advanced species. Yeah,

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I've heard that too, also heard
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so, your first question was a
really big question. I don't know if

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I gave you the right answer,
but okay, let's move it. You

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did you made you made sense absolutely? How did it get its name?

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How did the skunk gave get its
name? From the smell? That's it's

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really liking it to a skunk?
Really, I kind of do, I

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kind of do. Some people say
ro eggs or moldy cheese, or goat

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dung or wet dog, different descriptions
of it, but to me, it's

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it's Scott. I'll tell you what's
kind of neat is my son bought some

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skunks and it's really good, really
smell stistics and oh it smells so bad

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you can't you can't believe it.
Just I'll have it in a metal can,

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a closed steel mel can, sitting
behind my house. And every time

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I walk around the corner, I
get a whiff of that Scott, and

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you know, it just kind of
takes me back. You know, I'm

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looking around, but I remember,
oh, it's that can there, you

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know. So the stunk is and
and that does and people think, well,

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that's unique. It's definitely catchy stunk. You can see my logos.

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Yes, that's our that's our official
logo, Gere at the headquarters. But

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it's not unusual for reports big Foot
to be accompanied by a strong odor.

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Probably you you yours, And my
memory is the abominable snowmen. And I

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always saw abominable. Oh that's big, that's strong. Oh abombina, that's

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something that's indefensible. No, it's
but it stinks abominable snowmen. So the

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skunk ape is kind of carries the
same name, it's just different, you

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know, different language. Well,
I know you said you saw it the

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first time when you were ten,
and I'm sure you've seen it many times

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since. Correct, only four times. But I really feel like I've been

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blessed because people who live out here, their whole lives around me. They

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may have caught a glimpse of it
once in the distance, or you know,

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maybe their grandpa saw it. But
for me to have four sightings and

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two of them were just phenomenal,
that's incredible. I just really think I've

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been blessed. They probably don't spend
as much time looking for it as you

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have. I mean, you've made
this kind of like your life mission,

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so you're out there constantly looking and
researching. So it's probable that you would

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see it more than others. I
sent down about a year ago, because

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I'm not braggadocious by any means,
but I have they're believing it or not.

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There's still a few critics out there, are people that just aren't quite

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convinced. Oh, what were we
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talking about the many sightings you have
seen before that you've seen others. Yeah,

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the best sighting that I've had,
though, for me, was a

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personal sighting. I was on the
food source and there's two big highways that

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cross the state of Florida. Highway
forty one runs lower and I seventy five.

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It runs across a little higher.
Forty one is more of a sceny

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brown. That's where we're located at, right on the border of Everglades National

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Park, right on Highway forty one, near the town of Everglades City.

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We have the smallest post office is
right right here. It's the only thing

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in town, but it's here.
But so I went to seventy five,

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which is north but still protected land. I hunted. It was in September.

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The salt palmetto berries were just ripening, and then sal palmetto berries are

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really abundant, and they're a major
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Everglade. There's been some issues where
a lot of these areas where their berries

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are really dense migrant eally. I
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I want to say migrant ealy.
Farm workers have been known to come

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up out here in the Everglades in
trucks and they jump off with sacks,

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empty sacks, and they go into
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they use them in for medicinal purposes. Companies buy them. They pay a

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great deal of money for him,
so like a bag of berries could be

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worth four hundred bucks. So the
park is fighting that at all the time,

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and during the month of September.
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regular consistent basis, you have to
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So I was north of where I'm
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There was about three square miles of
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disturbed. I had to wind in
my face. It was beautiful. I

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started easing up into the palmettos.
As I got into the palmettos, I

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could see that there had been some
activities. Some of the berries were stripped

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off the stocks. There was some
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like two or three feet tall,
so some of them were kind of

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smashed. And right away I'm thinking
skunk cake, because this is obviously my

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hunt, this is what I wanted
to hunt. But then in the back

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of my head, I got to
remember, got big wild hogs here,

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we got black bears here. But
I was convinced, and I was looking,

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and then I started smelling that skunky
smell, and I thought, holy

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cow. I took about three more
steps into the wind through these palmettos,

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and they're kind of loud. There's
no way to go through them without making

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noise. So I was making a
little noise and we could talk a lot

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about that. I'm a very good
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noise, but you have to go
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they were wiggling in front of me. Of course, at that point,

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i'm thinking, I'm not sure.
I'm smelling the smell and it stood up

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and I'm looking and there's a figure, oh about six and a half feet

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tall, stands up. It kind
of goes this way like it's kind of

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looking to see me. But it
didn't have like a Roman nose like a

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bear would have, didn't have that
canine snout, It didn't have the ears

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barriers. You don't really when you
see bears a lot, you really think

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about their ears because their ears really
aren't that big, but their ears really

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stand out, you know. So
when you see a bear, you see

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it's ears, and it was absent
of those. And I'm looking at it,

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and this is all happening so fast, and I'm so excited. And

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that's when I see the bushes moving
in two other areas and something going towards

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it. I can't really see what
it is, but I had actually come

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across a family unit that was feeding
in those palmettos. Well, it all

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happened so quick. I had a
camera. I couldn't get all of that

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going. So it was a real
personal experience for me, but it was

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probably the most fulfilling experiences that I've
had as a researcher. No, nope,

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no, I don't see how they
could. I mean, they may

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know my sin. I set for
six months. In nineteen ninety seven,

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I spent six months sitting out in
the marsh in a tripod on tower for

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six months before I got any photographs. So do they know me? They

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got sense of smell, they got
sense of direction, They know that whatever

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was there lives here. But dot
gear would know that. You know,

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you're don't give animals enough credit.
Animals. Animals know what's going on that's

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not to survive. And if they
don't see it coming, another animal,

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telement's coming. Yeah, they perfect
each other and use each other. And

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yeah, they used the conditions of
the land and the wind and the water,

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which is also important here in the
airways. We are clearly controlled by

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water. If you're a mammal here
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dry dirt, and that's just worth
a couple of months out of the

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year. So things have to be
adaptable. They have to be able to

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handle these heat and stuff. And
I don't know of any animals out here

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Dina heat and austin, but a
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So and the tracks are different.
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of evolution that has occurred in the
break here in Florida, that these possibly

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are like an offshoot of the big
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Everybody adapts to their cloyment. I
feel, so they have a deformity of

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having just four toes. They only
have four toes, none of them have

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five toes, and that that's characteristic
of the skull Cave. Another characteristic of

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the skun Cave that's not so much
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they climb trees. They and trees. They build like like an eagle's nest,

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but you know, like a cross
of limbs. And you found some

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of these Oh yes, yes,
the parks are it's brought in. Oh

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they got they partnered with an orangutangs
facilility in Indonesia and they brought the researchers

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here for a couple of months to
the effort lates to check on some of

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my claims that these unusual nests that
I'm finding here in the swamp, and

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they were going at it like it
was orangutangs, but I think they figured

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out different because orangutangs make a new
bed every night. These beds were being

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used over and over again, and
they were large, and I don't know.

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They always want to take credit for
everything, always taking credit for stuff

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that I've done. They are I
mean that's on a personal level. I

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grew up in the park. All
these people running this park and all I've

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had to deal with them all my
life, and I've made changes everywhere.

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I've made big changes out here.
People don't even know the changes that I've

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made to keep this place open a
wild here. It's been a lifetime battlem

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how long think you wouldn't think you'd
have to fight the Park Service. I

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mean you think they'd be on your
team. But it's crazy today. Don't

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believe anything here. Let's I'm telling
you. Okay, I'll remember that when

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was your research facility established exactly?
But the property here was purchased by my

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dad in nineteen sixty one, which
predates the preserve. We were settlers here

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by the time they started to create
this, say, the government bought all

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of our neighbors out, But we
have been here long enough. We had

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a history dating back to eighteen hundred
and ninety, but this particular property with

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nineteen sixty one, so we were
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So I'm actually right in the middle
of the National Park. Oh wow,

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that's interesting. And on the boarder
of the National Park and the preserve is

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cypress trees and pine wars and prairies
and ok camics and marshes, and it's

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all the things that mammals and wildlife
need to survive where the Everglades National Park

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has some of that, but that's
mainly the mangrove estuaries and stuff like that

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that are so important to the ecosystem
and the waters and the Gulf. I

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don't know how long we got to
talk and what we're going to get to

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talk about. We definitely need to
I'm gonna ask a question. We definitely

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need to talk about Brad Ronelli,
and we need to talk about his book.

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He's the one that starting all of
this. We did. I was

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scouting the Internet looking for strange and
scary phenomena for my show and came across

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his book and that's what had me
reach out to him to ask him for

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an interview. So he came on
my show for an interview. So we

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talked about his stories being false but
based on true facts. You mean they're

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not true, No, they're not, but he did say that they were

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based on true stories people have shared, and he does have that written in

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his synopsis of the book, So
it's not like he's trying to pull the

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wool or anybody's eyes. They would
know that the back underneath the barcode.

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No, he's very, very honestly
says in his synopsis and his description.

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But some people don't like to read
that and understand that. But a lot

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of stuff on TV even now is
based on true events. So he's not

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doing anything wrong, and he's actually
bringing attention to the existence of this cryptid.

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And I feel that that in itself
is important. I think it's important

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that people realize that Bigfoot, Bobino, Snowman, skunk, Gape, they

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exist, and we have similar cryptids
all around the country and all around the

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world. And you can take it
for what it's worth or not believe it

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whatever, who cares. But at
least we're talking about it and bring awareness

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to it. So yeah, yeah, as long as we're talking about it,

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that's a good thing. So and
that's how I feel about Brad's book.

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I met Brad, I knew that, like one of the stories in

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the book had a little bit of
way to it, that there was some

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truth into that story for sure in
the beginning, and then he goes down

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through the islands, and Brad is
really good at what he does, and

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Brad is a historian, And each
of the stories don't just talk about the

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Skunk Cave. They talk about the
history of the Keys exactly. It's a

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true and accurate depiction of the Keys
and its history, and I think it's

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important that people know that. As
much is about the Skunk Cave, I

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totally aggreciate it will mix exactly.
However, well, see that's one of

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the things that he and I had
in common. You'll give me that.

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However, let me just get this
point. Of course, he and I

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have that in common about the history
stuff because I write books about true account

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hauntings in the counties surrounding my own
home, true account ghost hauntings, and

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I like to write about the history
of the towns and the history of the

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location to give people that knowledge of
what these spirits are about and who they

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may be from the history standpoint.
So when he told me that he loves

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to share the history of the Keys, I was I was that was it.

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I was in there. I was
right in there to have an interview

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with him, because I felt like
that was really important too. But what's

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that? However? What was that? However? You were getting to And

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Brad's got a lot of fans,
but there's a lot of competition in his

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field. Everybody's a historian, and
so he's got people that aren't real fond

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of him. But and I they're
all my friends. And I always defend

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Brad because he's doing a good thing
and he's the only person that has sets

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aside so much time to put together
these stories of history and share it with

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people. And the keys people who
live down there learn from the stuff that

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Brad rights. This is healthy stuff, this is good stuff. So Brad

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is my friend. I carry his
book. Now the point, okay,

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now, at point it comes to
these professional researchers or you know, they

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come down here. They don't know
Brad, they don't know me. They

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don't care about the keys. They
just want to know about the skunky And

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some of them will buy Brad's book. One particular and they were making a

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movie and spend it told me about
yeah, and I'm the one that blew

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the whistle and said, listen,
guys, that's not a true story.

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And they were like, yeah,
but whatever, They probably really didn't even

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care about the fact that it may
not have been true, because they're all

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about entertainment and bring it. Even
the paranormal world in the media nowadays is

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so far off of what it is
in reality, and it's all because of

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entertainment purposes. They're there to entertain
you, so they're going to do what

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they have to preach the wire.
You're preaching to the choir. Okay,

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say for twenty five years, I
get crazy offers. I'm offered fifty million

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right now by movie creators in California
from my life story and I have I'm

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involved all the time in the reality
shows that you're seeing on television now.

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So you're I just want to tell
you're right on the money. Thank you,

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well, thank you, thank you
for television. Yeah, that's right.

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Well, tell me exactly what is
it that you do at your research

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center and is it is it like
a museum that people could come and well,

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we got a lot of hope.
There's a lot of hope going on

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at the headquarters. I guess the
biggest hope is that we're busy. I

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mean it's the middle of this low
season right now. My parking lights packed

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every day in the middle of sweet
season. Other businesses around town that you

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know, they've got the bills so
they don't have that many customers. I'm

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busy, so I used it as
a lifeline to keep the lights on here

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at the campground. Built that gift
shop, started selling shirts. I mean,

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I got I got to survive here, you got to have electricity,

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and so this started a while a
while back, and it's built into it's

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kind of evolved. I have the
second largest snake in the world here at

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the headquarters for the public to look
at. It's twenty four feet long,

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it weighs three hundred and fifty pounds. Hasn't been measured in three years.

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The world record is twenty five feet
I believe right now if I had Ripley's

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or Guinness book back here to measure
her again, I have the biggest snake

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in the world. And none of
this was ever planning. So people come

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into the headquarters. It's mainly a
place, I'll be honest with you.

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It's mainly a place where you can
get a T shirt and a bumper sticker.

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But there's a lot more to it
than that. We have indigenous huts

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on the back of the property,
that we rent out. I mean there

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are two couple hundred bucks a night, but we've got five of those open

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air, screened in in wintertime is
when I recommend you use those. They're

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indigenous huts, They're built by the
Indians. Then we have cabins with air

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conditioning. We have like five or
six of those, and then I have

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one hundred and fifty RB sites.
We're also licensed by the National Park Service

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to do tours in the preserve with
pull boats. They're like gondolas and we

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make them ourselves out of Cyprus and
they hold three or four people. And

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then we have guides that work for
us who are licensed through the Park Service

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to take people out. We do
canoe and kayak rentals, and then we

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have the animal exhibit, which is
located inside the headquarters store, which functions

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as the office for the rest of
the facility. How did you acquire the

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bake? Did you find the snake
in the Everglades? I did? I

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did? I always laughter, I
see these people, Oh they caught the

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biggest snake. And yes, the
nightly news is as bad as reality TV.

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So yeah, I caught that one. That snake almost killed me.

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It was a pet that and it's
it's the second officially the second biggest snake

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in the world. Could be the
world record right now. It's twenty four

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feet that we know, three hundred
and fifty. That's a big snake.

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Yeah. Raccoon trying to get my
chickens, running down a fence. I

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shoot the raccoon out of a tree
because I don't want to kill in my

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chickens. You know, I don't
have a big henhouse. I could do

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better. So I go, I'm
going to feed the raccoon to my alligators.

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We've got a cycle of life here
that we lived. So I come

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to the house. I go back
to where I shot a raccoon, which

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was near a big waterfall we have
at that time. It wasn't there was

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no water in it. It was
dry insides got a cave in the back

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ground. I knew the coon fell
into that wall. So I go in

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that waterfall and I'm looking around and
I looked on the rock and I saw

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a drop of blood where the water
cascades off the rock, and I said,

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ah, I knew I got him. And I looked up and Goldie

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that's her name, was getting ready
to bite me right in the face.

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At that time, she was eighteen
feet long, and she's reticulated by don't

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and as she bit me in the
face, she easily put a quarter around

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my neck, broke my neck and
killed me right there. So me and

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her got a funny relationship. But
I've had her for a long time now

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and she's grown to recorcises. So
if you want to know who caught the

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biggest snake in the Everglades, of
course I did. Yeah, what do

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you what do you feed her?
Dave? She can swallow one hundred and

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forty pounds item. She is a
reticulating which I mentioned that is the only

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snake in the world that hunts and
eats people. Humans are on their list

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of prey items. They forget the
anaconda to get back there. These reticks

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are the hugest, longest snakes in
the world. They grow upwards of thirty

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feet. Okay, she can swallow
a human being. But what I do

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is I purchase frozen rabbits from a
organic farm because you don't want to get

404
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,400
chemicals built up in the snake,
steroids and stuff, So we feed them

405
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,440
organic and we get large rabbits from
a company that supplies zoos and stuff and

406
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:47,759
they come frozen on dry ice,
and then I pack them in a freezer

407
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,680
and then I feed her maybe three
or four eight pound rabbits every two weeks

408
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:59,160
during the summer. And that seems
to be good for her. And you

409
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,000
have to measure what you feed her
by looking at her and looking at her

410
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,319
the same way when your own reptiles. A lot of people don't like,

411
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,039
well, how much did it eat? Well, it'll eat as much as

412
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:12,680
you want to give it. It'll
overeat, you know, and that's not

413
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,000
healthy for animals. So you have
to be a judge and not be a

414
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,640
like a jail guy, like depriving
them of food. Well, you have

415
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,599
to keep it reasonable, and you
do that visually by looking at the animal.

416
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:30,039
That's the only way to do it. Oh my goodness. And you

417
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,240
caught this snake, and I got
the biggest snake in the world, so

418
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,519
I'm doing a good job. Okay, Oh my goodness. So if you

419
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,200
found her out there, that tells
me that they're all a lot more like

420
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:46,160
her out there. When that terrifies
me, I didn't mean we could talk

421
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,119
about snakes all day. I know
a lot about snakes. I've been doing

422
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,559
the python thing here never goes longer
than anybody. Everybody called me the gun

423
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,960
gave guy that. When I was
four years old, there was a sawmill

424
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,480
out here and the lady, I
remember, she have hang out the kitchen

425
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:04,920
windows, you know, kind of
the dress and her kind of her boobs

426
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,279
hanging out there. And I'd be
walking by in the water in the woods

427
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,559
and she say, you've got any
snakes in your pocket, Dave? And

428
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,480
I reach in my pocket and pull
out, you know, five or six

429
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,160
ribbon snakes, and I go,
yes, ma'am. You know I've been

430
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,480
I know about snakes and what's going
on right now, and you probably haven't

431
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,799
heard about it yet. You've heard
about the pythons in the Everglades, right,

432
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:29,000
yeah. I've also heard about the
python hunt. There's a hundred.

433
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Yeah, there's a hunt. I
got a hunt going on too. I

434
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,960
got a skunk cape. It's called
the Skunk Cape Challenge. It's ten thousand

435
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,240
dollars if you want to be in
it. So, I mean, it's

436
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:42,799
kind of a rich man's thing,
but I need that right now. Is

437
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,559
my birthday coming up in September on
fifty eight, and I want to have

438
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,200
a good time and I want to
have a good time with some people out

439
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,599
with skunk capes, and that ten
thousand covers seven days in the Everglades,

440
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,920
airboat swamp, buggies, hunting camps, probably even a night out down on

441
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:02,079
Pea West. But so like a
lifetime dream of a guy maybe who has

442
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,440
has a job at a bank in
a city and just wants to do something

443
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,719
completely totally out of the ball,
right. Yeah. I get those kinds

444
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,239
of people when I do these,
and I don't do them very often,

445
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,280
and a lot of times people don't
want to be like, don't tell anybody

446
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,000
I was here. You know.
The biggest complaint I get is I don't

447
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:27,000
charge enough. Believe it or not. Wow, but you didn't charge me

448
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,039
enough for this. You need you
need to raise your rate stay Yeah,

449
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,400
oh my goodness. So yeah,
I'm getting back to the fact that there's

450
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,239
probably big snakes just like your snake
out there everywhere. Yeah, yeah,

451
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,880
they're everywhere. Well, like I
said, we could talk about that all.

452
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:52,679
I can talk about all of all
things everybade from beginning him. The

453
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,800
snake hunters that are out here now
they've caught like seven thousand of the python

454
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,360
six or seven. Hey, you
naturally be if you, I think,

455
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,280
well, that's fantastic. They're being
such a good job and getting those mean

456
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,760
snakes out of the everywades. Hey, those people pay my bills. I

457
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,679
make a lot of money off the
snay punters. I might cut my own

458
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,239
throat here when I tell you what
I'm fixing to tell you. Hopefully none

459
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,239
of them are watching mostly, but
I think personally we'd be better off if

460
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,960
they just left those six thousand snakes
out there, because all of our wildlife

461
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,119
has gone anyhow at this point,
and it's not the snake's fault entirely,

462
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,559
but nature has a way of taking
care of itself all over the world,

463
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,639
but especially here in the Everglades.
The native species are very resilient, and

464
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:50,840
exotic species come to pinnacles and then
they drastically reduced to manageable levels. That's

465
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,800
all done naturally, And by taking
these snakes out and not letting that pinnacle

466
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,559
occur, they keep it here.
If they just let it go, nature

467
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:06,960
will take care of itself. But
in the meantime, I'm making money off

468
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:14,119
these guys, and it's all government
stuff. The biggest, the biggest damage

469
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,639
ever done to the Everglades by somebody
wanting to help. Now, they didn't

470
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,800
weren't trying to help when they were
draining the everglades, they were trying to

471
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,639
develop it. I'm talking about somebody's
honestly trying to help the everglades. That

472
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,719
created a disaster that people don't even
want to talk about because of the money

473
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:39,719
involved. And that's the introduction of
the Texas cougar to the everglades. That

474
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:47,519
was the most horrible, horrible thing. It's gonna take another fifty years for

475
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:52,480
the wildlife to come back here.
And so why did they introduce Why did

476
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,840
they introduce the cougar in the first
place, Well, because it's a big

477
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,440
cat. People love big cats.
That we had thirty here. They said

478
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,480
that they were in breeding and unhealthy
and they needed to pump some new jeans

479
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:07,639
into them. But in the meantime, it wasn't about the thirty cats that

480
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,400
were here. They were taking people's
property and cattle ranches and stopping people from

481
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,599
living their lives and destroying cultures,
trying to build these areas so they could

482
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:22,559
put hundreds and hundreds of cats into
areas that might could hold fifty or sixty,

483
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,960
and the cats literally starved to death, eating themselves right now they've all

484
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,480
got cancer and they're dying, and
it's a big mess. Now. Last

485
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:37,559
night, a friend of mine who
had a night vision he turned his night

486
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,760
vision camera on to look in the
field, and when he turned it on,

487
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,000
there's a giant panther standing right in
front of a big glow. And

488
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,079
you normally you see the infrared camera
shots are like stuff at night, and

489
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,679
it's just kind of fuzzy and you
really can't tell what it is. This.

490
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,800
I don't know if it's advanced or
not, but this thing just looks

491
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,599
so alive and so big and heavy. This cougar is so big. Our

492
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,880
panthers are small. But they're dying
off, thank god. And people gonna

493
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,639
hate. How did you say that
you're happy that the cats are dead.

494
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,519
Well, I don't don't know if
I'm happy about it, but good lord,

495
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,000
it was not healthy. It just
wasn't healthy for them or or wildlife

496
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:27,360
here. So nature takes care of
itself. But I don't like to get

497
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,119
into that. I've had a lot
of a lot of personal personal things in

498
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,480
my life affected by those cats,
still are today. I fight hard is

499
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:44,440
to be here because of those cats. Biggest mistake the state of art ever

500
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:51,039
made, bringing Texas cougars to the
overwhe They preach all over their websites about

501
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,599
anxiets. Oh, we've got anxietics. They got the snake program, they

502
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:58,760
got the pig program, they got
program get ready at trees, they got

503
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,320
program to get read at everything.
Oh, but then they what is the

504
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,840
program? Oh, my gosh,
program. Oh, I don't know.

505
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:15,559
There's a lot of money in it. These people. My god, Well,

506
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:20,760
I imagine that you being involved in
this skunk ape phenomenal, all these

507
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,239
you probably get a lot of people
from different parts of the state that come

508
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,000
to you and say, oh,
my gosh, do I have to tell

509
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:30,559
you? Do I have a story
to tell you? What are some of

510
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:35,440
the stories that you've heard from?
Who? About what the skunk ape?

511
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:42,800
From people? You just ask these
questions, so many stories. What Okay,

512
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,599
I'm gonna tell you three skunk gape
stories. Okay, Yeah, I

513
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,440
have skunk gape stories every day all
my life. Lots and lots I hearn

514
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,599
from the Indians, but I don't. I don't hear any That's what I

515
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:57,719
want to hear about. I'm so
blessed to be in a position I'm in,

516
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,079
and once again refermed back to your
initial question. What a people when

517
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:05,199
they come into the animal of the
where they come off the road. What

518
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,880
is it? It's an information it's
a meeting ground. It's a place where

519
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:15,159
people of common interest or curiosities can
meet and talk. And it's that's the

520
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,559
research going on. People talking,
people meeting, people sharing stories, people

521
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,199
reporting sightings. Back in the seventies, there were some hunters out in a

522
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,079
honey camp in the Everways. They've
been out honeting all day. They got

523
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,280
back to the camp, they decided
they do some cooking, so they had

524
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,239
some pots, they had some beans
cooking on the stove, and they had

525
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,480
the tube that went out at the
top of the building so the smoke would

526
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,519
go out. It gets dark.
They're playing cards at the card table,

527
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,000
like six guys. They got a
lantern sitting there on the table and they're

528
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,920
playing cards. There's an oak tree
outside the cabin. He grows over the

529
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,519
cabin. A skunk gape had crawled
up that tree. They think it had

530
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:04,000
smelled that cooking or curiosity falls right
through the roof. It's pitch stark.

531
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,280
It falls right onto the table.
It busted the lantern. It caught the

532
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,199
cabin on fire. The guys are
running around. They got a wild animal

533
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,480
in the cabin. They're trying to
get their guns. The oil is on

534
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:21,360
fire. That's when it busts through
the wall and takes out the whole side

535
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,000
wall of the cabin, ran out
into the even and they never did know

536
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,840
what it was. They said,
you know, maybe it was a bear.

537
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,199
We don't know, but tracks were
found in the area just a few

538
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,559
days later. Did you ever hear
the story about the National Park Service getting

539
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,119
the skunk cap? Now, yeah, they caught a skunk cape. Now,

540
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,800
this was a long time ago.
This was near Flamingo. They had

541
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,599
acquired some properties down there. It
was some people living down their fishermen,

542
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,960
and they made this place called Flamingo. Well, in the process they had

543
00:41:55,039 --> 00:42:01,039
to build the road up. They're
working on the road and somehow they capture

544
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:08,719
with ropes this animal. It looks
like a big gorilla. And they had

545
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:15,039
some bunkers that they were storing dynamite
in. They emptied the dynamite out of

546
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,599
it. They put it in there. They called their office and said,

547
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:22,159
hey, we've got a wild animal
out here. We don't know what it

548
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,559
is. We need to get y'all
out here to see it. By the

549
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,159
time they got down out of Homestead, Florida, down there to where the

550
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,800
place was, they have busted out
of the enclosure it was in and ran

551
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,559
off into the every days and they
spent days look days looking. That story

552
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,000
has been written up a few times. But you know, for some reason,

553
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,159
I've had personal property taken from me
a while back, and all of

554
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,280
those stories seemed to disappear from the
news press, the stories that were written.

555
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,800
If I look at it, they
just seemed to disappear. Kind of

556
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,800
strange. People don't know it,
but that was true. They actually captured

557
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,440
one down in the national part.
There's another story of the shooting at one

558
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,480
in the back around seventeen hundred.
You hear a lot about that, but

559
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,960
he really can't find the document.
Have you heard anything recently? Sometimes stories

560
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:21,079
that happened recently within the last few
years or so. Yeah, I got

561
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,280
one I probably shouldn't tell. Yeah, and I got one you'd probably like

562
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,079
to hear, So I'm gonna tell
any one you'd probably like to hear.

563
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,840
Okay, Well, the past couple
of years, the majority of the sightings

564
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,719
here in the big Cypress, and
I keep track of all of them.

565
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:39,760
Sightings are reported at both the Oasis
visitors Center and at the new visitors center

566
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,960
here, and they're shopping by visitors. They do report sightings there a lot

567
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,000
of times. They're they're directed here
to my place afterward. The last few

568
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:52,639
years, it started with a young
couple on the Loop Road, which is

569
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:57,400
about ten miles from you. They
were down there, they had taken a

570
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,239
hiking trail and when they got back
to their car, they saw what they

571
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:07,599
described as being a large chimpanzee in
the road walking around. So they went

572
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,559
to the National Park and they said, hey, we just wanted you to

573
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,960
know that there's a chimp down there
on that road walking around and walked off

574
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,920
in the bushes. And that's when
the Park Service told them, we don't

575
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,559
really have any recorded chimps down here. Maybe you should go talk to that

576
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,760
guy down there at the research headquarters. And I just so happened to be

577
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,519
in and I retired two years ago. By the way, I saw,

578
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,440
I've been up there today, but
I don't officially work. But they came

579
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,960
up. I met him and they
told me, they said, what are

580
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,480
you talking about? Here? They
are they saw They didn't even know what

581
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,920
they saw, and so this was, you know, I said a couple

582
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,280
of years. It was probably four
to three years ago, three years ago.

583
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,840
But ever since then, I've been
getting steady reports. Last year was

584
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,360
record number of reports down in that
area, and all the reports were the

585
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,920
same that it was a like a
size of an arrange thing. So I

586
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,679
can only think that there's a young
skunk cape down there. They're just wandering

587
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,000
around in that area. And one
of the python hunters, one of the

588
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,760
contractors for the state, found the
tracks of the skunk cape down there and

589
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,599
he photographed them. I got copies
of that, and he's a state contractor,

590
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,639
so he's no dummy. He knows
what he's doing. Time goes so

591
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,760
fast. I was contacted by Florida
Fishing Wildlife, I don't know, probably

592
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,800
eight years ago to investigate some tracks
that they had found up near a Mockley,

593
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,239
Florida, which is a vegetable town, what a farm town. And

594
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:52,119
I went there and there were these
huge tracks in the ditch, definitely skunk

595
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,559
cape. We started following them.
We were a couple of days into it

596
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:59,880
when we got back into the Everglades
and they led us to a huge fence

597
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,519
and facility. I could hear noises
coming out of the forest, like whoo

598
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:10,440
who crazy noises behind this fence.
The tracks winner I've been trying to light

599
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:15,159
that cigarette for like ten minutes.
It's not like him chase. The tracks

600
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:21,360
went around the fence and then disappeared
down into the everglades and there and so

601
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,119
people saying, well, what's that? What's kind of when they got apes

602
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:30,079
out there in a cage or so? I did a story was the Smithsonian

603
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,679
magazine, and during a story I
told him about what I had found up

604
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,679
there with FWC. And you know, he was kind of sneaking, but

605
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,400
we we spent a couple of days
together. Well, he got in his

606
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:44,119
car, he went up there,
and he drove around and drove around,

607
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:49,800
and he found the road that led
into the preserve. And before you could

608
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,280
go into the preserve, it says
do not go past this point. If

609
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,119
you're a federal employee, if you're
a government agent, if you're a police

610
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,039
serving a search, war, contact
this number. It doesn't matter who you

611
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are, do not enter this facility. I mean it was a big sign

612
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:12,800
and a minute and it was called
Primate Products. When they started looking into

613
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:19,000
it. It's called primate products.
So he does the story for Smithsonian magazine

614
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,079
and they shut the facility down.
If you go there now it's all gone.

615
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:29,199
But he includes the photographs that he
took as evidence that it was there.

616
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,199
And he went there and he saw
the facility. So it's an interesting

617
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:38,800
story in Smithsonian. M I imagine
now with all these people who have cameras

618
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,960
on their homes and stuff like that
for security reasons, might start picking up

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00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,559
stuff that they didn't realize was on
their camera. They might get a good

620
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,199
picture sometimes, for me, how
Bigfoot looking through the windows. When the

621
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,760
security cameras came out. They don't
see doomy home security videos. But back

622
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:07,039
before that, everybody saw Bigfoot standing
at the window. But now, yeah,

623
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,280
some people say they can they can
see the gland off of the lens

624
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:16,199
they know about. It goes back
to the UFO, the intelligence thing and

625
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,320
all of that. You would and
that's another misconception, even if you kind

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00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,000
of you kind of led into it. Everybody does. Don't feel bad but

627
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,400
that there's really been no good picture. But that's not true. There have

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00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:35,679
been tons of good pictures. I
see punters coming in with photographs off their

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00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,760
trail camps. They are very luctant
to hit them over. They think that

630
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,800
they're worth money, that if they
keep them, that they were going to

631
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,519
make their pictures famous or whatever.
But it is it is a misconception that

632
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:52,039
there's not a lot of good photographs
out there. They're feeling a lot of

633
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,440
good photographs out there. There's good
we just don't see it. On the

634
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,400
back to the reality television shows.
We don't see the real shows. It's

635
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,400
a shame. That's a shame.
I hate to say. There. So

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00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,880
you say that you get a lot
of stories that come in because they've come

637
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,639
and report them to you. You
said, so you what on the average

638
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:17,960
would you say you get? The
average stories that I hear are in the

639
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,360
thousands. I hearateful stories all day
long. But as far as sightings here

640
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,519
in the preserve, people coming in
saying we just saw a stock game.

641
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,920
M I think it's around to see
it. There's a lot of people.

642
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,639
We were here last week, saw
one, we were here last years,

643
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,199
but sighted that day. Emergency what
I call emergency siety just for the sake

644
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,440
of maybe it's the current about twelve
interesting. Well, that's a funny lot,

645
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:54,280
I think, so. Yeah,
Fish we'll tell the listeners how they

646
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,760
could find your research center if they
wanted to stop by and have conversation with

647
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:07,039
you and the people that are there. Sharing skunk Ape Headquarters in the Everglades.

648
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,559
You can google it. It'll come
up when in the business called skunk

649
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:15,119
Cape Headquarters, and that's how you
get to this location. I'm Dave Sheiy

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00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,719
and I got a skunk Cape dot
info not skunk ape dot com, skunk

651
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,559
ape dot info. I believe we'll
take you to everything that we have to

652
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:31,360
offer as far as with facility.
Wonderful. Well, we visited the Keys

653
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:35,280
several years back, my husband and
I with our daughters. We loved it,

654
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,119
and I didn't know you were around
there. So next time I come,

655
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,880
I'm going to pop in and say
remember me. I'll remember you.

656
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:45,760
Yeah, I was supposed to be
down in the Keys. Now I do

657
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,320
the treasure hunting, which is a
real thing. It's huge. I've got

658
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,840
some Spanish gallions that we're timpting to
start recovering. It's a thirty year project.

659
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:01,960
We've mapped sixty five square miles of
C four Wow. We have divers

660
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:07,480
out boats were out mapping today.
That's so cool. President. Yeah,

661
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,280
I'm the president's assistant to all of
that, so and I like that.

662
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,480
I like that it's it's a form
of hunting. I'm a hunter. I

663
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,920
was just born into hunting, and
so the treasure hunting falls right into align

664
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,400
with that. Although one, I
hope you hit it rich, Helpe,

665
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,239
you hit it rich. The ship
the ships are five hundred years old,

666
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:36,719
so you got a wow. That's
wonderful. Well, thanks so much,

667
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,920
Dave for giving me your time today. I really appreciate this was a lot

668
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,840
of fun talking to you. I
really enjoyed it. Yeah, it's been

669
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,119
nice talking to you. And Brad
Happy birthday on your skunk Cape endeavor in

670
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,719
September. Yeah. Yeah, I
think the skunk Cape challenge is going to

671
00:51:53,800 --> 00:52:00,440
be somebody getting up the gumption to
come up with ten thousand dollars. That's

672
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,920
a lot of money. So it'll
be interested to see who those individuals are

673
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,639
and I'm looking for Yeah, yeah, i'll bet. Well, thanks again,

674
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,400
Yeah, thank you very much.
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