WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:05.160 They're all just they've all just put their manhood in a been a blind trust, 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:11.759 not what your country can do for you and what you can do for 3 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:19.800 your country. Mister garbachofw Tear Down This Wall. It's the Ricochet Podcast with 4 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:22.920 Rob Long and Peter Robinson. I'm James Lilyax and today we talked to former 5 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:27.120 Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker about the YAF and what is that. Well, let's 6 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:31.440 ever use as a podcast. It's unfortunate that there is a governor in Texas, 7 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.240 Governor Abbott, who has politicized this issue of what's happening on the border, 8 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.960 and it's not making people's life safer. It's actually making a harder for 9 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.479 law enforcement at the border to do their job. There's really only one person 10 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.640 in America not doing their job, and that's the President of the United States 11 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:51.560 who's not enforcing immigration laws. America is a nation that can be defined in 12 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.520 a single word. How's going to put him to put? Excuse me? 13 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.560 Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number six hundred and seventy. I'm 14 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.760 James Lylex. Here in Minnesota, cloudy, foggy, Drusie, but yet 15 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.799 the day is ever brightened by the thought of ricochet dot com a beacon in 16 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.400 the night. Well, it is your place with the most stimulating conversations and 17 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.200 community on the web, and you had to go there, and you had 18 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:15.439 to join. You got to see what all the fuss is about. You 19 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:19.920 know. I six hundred and seventy six episodes didn't do it. Maybe six 20 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.280 hundred and seventy seven will. But in the meantime, Rob Long and Peter 21 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.920 Robinson, the August founders, the man whose visages are chiseled on a rock 22 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.480 somewhere thanking them for their contribution to Internet dialogue, are with us. Peter 23 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:36.200 in California, Rob in New York. Gentlemen, welcome, Thank you, 24 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.840 James, Thank you, James, I Suspenice to be here. Always good 25 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.760 to be here as well. But you know, equidistance between you two and 26 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:47.359 the coasts is Texas, and Texas is having a bit of a oh, 27 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.359 I don't know, start of the civil war. Perhaps that's what people are 28 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:55.000 saying, because we have Texas government governor versus the federal government over the issue 29 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:59.400 as to whether or not Texas can do the audacious thing, the obviously illegal 30 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.120 against the state of the Statue of liberty, putting razor wire on the border 31 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:07.599 to keep people from doing the god given right to come in whenever they want 32 00:02:07.639 --> 00:02:10.680 and do whatever they please. How do you think this is going to play 33 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:17.120 out well? The politics of it? First of all, legally, the 34 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:23.199 legal question, I have to say, I don't quite grasp. The governor 35 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:28.080 of Texas claims that he has declared an invasion and that the state, under 36 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:30.840 the Constitution, is the right to defend itself. On the other hand, 37 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.520 we do have a civil war that we fought, and I just I have 38 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.280 to go into this, or at least listen to somebody who actually knows what 39 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:42.280 he's talking about, Bill Barr, perhaps somebody with a legal background, to 40 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.639 sort out the legal issues. The politics of it are, as far as 41 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:51.639 I'm concerned, terrific. The governor of Texas is doing something about the border, 42 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.199 and now job what Biden is saying, no, no, no, 43 00:02:53.680 --> 00:03:00.840 you have to open that border up. It just puts into un stakably clear 44 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:05.840 light exactly where everybody stands. We now have governors of As, I recall 45 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.800 the latest figures, twenty five or twenty six states have signed statements supporting Governor 46 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:16.599 Abbott. So we've got an issue extremely clearly squared up before the public in 47 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:23.479 which Republicans and the state of Texas are clearly in the right, and the 48 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.240 Biden administration is now being shown for exactly what it really truly wants, which 49 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:37.199 is to appease the left in its own party by establishing open borders. Well, 50 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:38.879 we'll see if Wisconsin is one of those states that actually signed that thing. 51 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.879 We buy some coincidence. Would like to now go to Scott Walker, 52 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.919 forty fifth governor of Wisconsin and president of the Young America's Foundation. Autist Walker, 53 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.879 Welcome, I'm over here in Minneapolis at the moment. There's no razor 54 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.840 wire betwixt Minnesota and Wisconsin, even though there's a cold piece that exists between 55 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.360 us and I see I see behind you. You have a crawl on the 56 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.879 video screen that says the long game, which is what it seems the right 57 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:11.960 is going to have to play. Primary is over right, it's done. 58 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.160 Tell us where you think the party is going to go short term and long 59 00:04:15.279 --> 00:04:19.920 term, and you got about four minutes for the both those questions. Now, 60 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.240 the primary has been over for some time. It was just a matter 61 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:27.199 of going through the formality. Obviously, Governor Santis, big shot was having 62 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.560 to perform well in Iowa and didn't come close. And Nicki Haley, both 63 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.959 of these people are friends of mine. I think Desanta's to the fabulous job 64 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:39.839 is grown in Florida. Nicky Haley was a strong ambassador United Nations, but 65 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:43.160 neither of them. I mean Nicki Haley had to perform in New Hampshire. 66 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.240 She had to have a win or at least an extremely close second. Didn't 67 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.240 have that. And when she gets to North Carolina, all the numbers show 68 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.639 it's going to be a big win for President Trump there, so it is 69 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:56.240 done. I think the reason, not only in the primary but arguably looking 70 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:01.360 ahead to the long game in November, why it's to be competitive voters in 71 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.639 the primary, and I would argue voters in swing states like Minor Wisconsin have 72 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:10.600 had it with politicians who say all the right things, who say it just 73 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:15.199 the right way or very appealing, but then go to Washington and completely melt 74 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.800 down and don't do what they say they're going to do. And they're willing 75 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:24.040 to take a president or in this case of former presidents, potentially future president 76 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.600 who doesn't always talk or tweak the way we do, particularly in the Midwest, 77 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.480 but who delivers, who gets things done, And as I point out 78 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:35.439 in the Washington Times this week in my column, I think people are willing 79 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:42.319 to take a little bit of political costs in return for some economic stability and 80 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.160 some national security stability, both with the economy and as we were just talking 81 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.360 about with the invasion that we really do see happening on our son boarder. 82 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:58.040 Governor. You ran for president and your campaign lasted your formal campaign. I 83 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.399 assume you were planning it for months beforehand. You're formal campaign lasted a couple 84 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:05.399 of months before you decided to withdraw from the race. How does a candidate 85 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:11.839 decide that it's over. What's your advice for Nicki Haley? And also, 86 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.399 is there an argument I sort of think there is, so maybe you're gonna 87 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:16.399 have to argue with me a little bit about it. But is there an 88 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:25.279 argument that by staying in the race, she forces Trump to become a better 89 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.040 candidate to do what Trump most needs to do, which is to learn how 90 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.800 to appeal to the very people to whom Nicki Haley is appealing, independents, 91 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:41.399 old fashioned Republicans. Let's say, I don't know. I don't want to 92 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.240 sound as though I'm insulting any bit but Bush Republicans. Let's say, George 93 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.519 H. W. Bush Republicans. Donald Trump has to unify his party to 94 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.879 have any chance. He's got a lock on the base, that's clear, 95 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:55.519 but he also seems to have a ceiling in the forties. You cannot get 96 00:06:55.560 --> 00:07:00.240 elected president without bringing in more people. So the question is advice, did 97 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.079 you decide? What should she decide? And is there an argument that she 98 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:08.759 makes him better by staying in for a few more primaries? Well, a 99 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.319 couple things. One, I say this juocantly, but it's largely acurate as 100 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.279 well. I got out before I got a nickname, so I was one 101 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:21.240 of the smarts. But here I was in that second debate at the Ronald 102 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:27.879 Reagan Presidential Library Museum. CNN did the debate and in three hours I got 103 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.920 about two questions, and at that point I realized, even though I was 104 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:36.199 pulling up there not too far behind then candidate Trump, former Governor Jeb Bush, 105 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.959 and I were right there in the center. You know it was they 106 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.600 did it by polling. People in politics at the time were shocked that we 107 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.839 got out. But I just looked and I said, unless I you know, 108 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.399 stand up side of my head and do something really radical. At the 109 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:54.040 next debate. It was all about Donald Trump, I would argue, I 110 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.600 contend time. I think many of the national media were doing that because they 111 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.680 thought Donald Trump was the only can who couldn't beat Hillary Clinton. So that 112 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.120 was a bit of their fascination of propping him up, giving him more time, 113 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.920 and in part because he was good for ratings then as he is now. 114 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.160 But in the end, obviously he showed them that he as well as 115 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.959 the rest of us, probably could have defeated Hillary Clinton because of the disdain 116 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.279 out there for I got out because I thought there needs to be a positive 117 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.199 conservative alternative because we're in Earth. At the time, I didn't know what 118 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.519 to expect out of Donald Trump. I heard what he was saying, but 119 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.040 he'd never been elected. We didn't really know what kind of a track record. 120 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.879 I remember Check Todd a few years ago in twenty twenty tried to call 121 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:39.879 me out on that and say that how could I possibly then support Donald Trump 122 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.039 after having said that? Well, because I was wrong. I didn't know 123 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.120 what to expect. Even though I don't often agree with his tone or some 124 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.480 of his tweets, the reality was in terms of substance. I mean, 125 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.720 the guy was stellar. He put tremendous jurist on the Federal Court, both 126 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.919 in the Supreme Court. At the other levels, he reigned in regulations, 127 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.919 he cut taxes, he put more money back in the and the American people 128 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.159 on so many issues, with a few exceptions, but fairly rare. This 129 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.039 was someone I like substantively, in fact, in a weird sort of way. 130 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.840 People trick to hear this. Obviously style substant our style was very different, 131 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.399 but he got many of the same sorts of things done that Ronald Reagan 132 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.559 talked about generations before. So I like that. But how I got out 133 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.519 was I just realized this is where the media was going. I could see 134 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.080 where things were headed and said, I'm not going to waste the money of 135 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.320 my supporters trying to drag things out any further, Which really is the key 136 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.120 Nicki Haley question. I like Nicki Haley. She and I were governors together. 137 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:39.879 As I said, I thought she was a good ambassador. But she 138 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.720 really has to decide, you know, how where does this end? Because 139 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.639 you know, if you're looking at people or investors saying before New Hampshire, 140 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.240 there were many who thought maybe just maybe a New Hampshire way to breakthrough, 141 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.080 and you'd have a change that's not going to happen. She may be able 142 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.559 to make a case and some issues here or there, So I think she 143 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.559 needs to think long and hard about what's her end game. And then your 144 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.000 last point about making her better normally in a normal cycle, which this is 145 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.840 anything. But I think that's a fairly solid argument. But I would say 146 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:16.080 the reverse is the case now, and give me a minute to explain that. 147 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.159 I think Donald Trump, when he is in the primaries, Donald Trump's 148 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.879 a fighter, right or wrong, he's a fighter, and so if you're 149 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.399 in his way, he's going to attack you. He's going to attack anyone 150 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:31.240 associated with you. The sooner he's the nominee and no one else is running, 151 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:33.919 the more he can turn his attacks towards Joe Biden. I think that 152 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.440 one part in particular starts to bring the rest of the tent together that doesn't 153 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.960 want Joe Biden to be president, even if they're not all big fans of 154 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.279 Donald Trump, focusing on what the contrast is, and the last thing I 155 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:56.240 would just say on that, beyond just Niki Haley's decision is Donald Trump to 156 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:00.200 win has got to be more like the Donald Trump fighter in twenty sixteen and 157 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.240 less like the one in twenty twenty. What I mean by that is, 158 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.559 in twenty sixteen, he was the guy fighting for the men and women of 159 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:13.440 America who felt forgotten. We saw this about a year ago in East Palaceine, 160 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:18.000 Ohio, and Joe Biden was in Europe. Pete Buotachet was nowhere to 161 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.799 be found. Donald Trump showed up at that train to room and said, 162 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.679 you're not forgotten. He brought in supplies, he brought in water, he 163 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.080 did things that really made them feel connected. That's the guy that won in 164 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.919 twenty sixteen. If, in turn, though he talks about other Republicans where 165 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.320 he talks about the twenty twenty election, I think that's the guy who lost 166 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.600 in the last cycle. So for him to win in Wisconsin and a handful 167 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.519 of battleground states, voters have to see him as a fighter for them, 168 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.519 not as someone who fights for the sake of fight. Okay, you have, 169 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.879 I've got one more question. I asked your advice for Nikki Haley. 170 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:54.720 You were too polite to say get out, but it seems as though that 171 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:01.039 is about what your advice comes to for Trump and for the Republican Party generally. 172 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.519 And let me give a piece of your background that often gets overlooked. 173 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.320 You did remarkable things as a Republican governor in a state where it's a close 174 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.759 call between the Republicans and the Democrats. But what often gets overlooked is that 175 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:24.200 your political career began in Milwaukee, and Milwaukee is a still even now, 176 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:31.039 a largely blue collar and an overwhelmingly Democratic town. You figured something out. 177 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:39.159 You figured out how to do what Donald Trump claims to do, which is 178 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.600 you appeal to the what do we want to say, the Truman Democrat or 179 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.159 the Reagan Democrat, some of the decent, working, patriotic people who want 180 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:54.799 their schools to work, who want businesses to hire. All right, can 181 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.320 Trump do what you did in Milwaukee? Can he pull he lost millwa Halaukeey 182 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.639 to Biden? What do you think? I'm using Milwaukee as a test case 183 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:09.159 because it's it's good human beings who tend to vote Democratic, and they're exactly 184 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:13.039 the kind of people the Trump needs to win in order to do what he 185 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.200 has to do to truly govern, which is carry the Senate and carry the 186 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.519 House and send a big message to everybody, including the media, that he 187 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:28.559 has built a governing coalition. The key, yeah, the key is he's 188 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.519 got to do that in a way that not only appeals to them, but 189 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.279 doesn't turn off the suburbs at the same time, because part of the key 190 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.039 to the difference between twenty twenty and twenty sixteen was that because of his tone 191 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.360 and the contrast of voters somehow thinking that Joe Biden might be reasonable, but 192 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.720 it was that one two punch. The suburbs somewhat Republican, but they were 193 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:56.600 somewhat deflated. I think again they it's both with traditional blue collar voters, 194 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.799 which are historically in the South side of Milwaukee. Those are people that were 195 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:05.039 mind bread and butter. When I won, people thought I could never win 196 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.679 first Republican maybe only Republican there to win. I won with Reagan Democrats, 197 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.480 Tommy Thompson Democrats. And I would say one other voting block I picked up 198 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.639 on where people who voted for Ross pro in that ninety two election didn't like 199 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.000 Bill Clinton because they thought he was a draft dodger, but thought George Herbert 200 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.960 Walker Bush was a decent guy, but too much country club Republican. Those 201 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.240 people wanted a blue collar kind of lookout for you know, everybody who felt 202 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.080 forgot. I think that's actually an area that Donald Trump does well if he's 203 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:39.279 focused. I've told him this repeated. He's wasting his time if he's attacking 204 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.440 particularly other Republicans, but just in general. If he's attacking people personally where 205 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.360 he does well, and not only with those blue collar voters, but where 206 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:54.039 he doesn't lose suburban voters. If he's taking on the establishment, if he's 207 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.639 taking on the problems of Washington, if he's saying, I don't mind stirring 208 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.919 the pot, I'll take those people on. I'm standing in a way to 209 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.240 defend every day, hard working people like you be doaes that he can win. 210 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.559 Forget about the last election, don't look backwards. Elections are always about 211 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.480 the future. If he can have the discipline to do that. I also 212 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.679 told him the best payback for whatever he thinks happened to him in the last 213 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.840 election is to win the next one. That's more important than trying to litigate 214 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.960 the last one. So I know James wants to come in, but you 215 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.559 used the word or Rob wants to come in, you use the word discipline. 216 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.399 Okay, here we go here we go, Governor. Let me just 217 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:39.919 tell you a tale of two victory speeches, Donald Trump and Iowa. I 218 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.879 think he spoke for about twenty minutes. He spent the first ten minutes doing 219 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.039 exactly what I'm sure you did over and over again as governor. You call 220 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.720 out the people who helped out. You mentioned people by name. You say 221 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.279 thank you to this person, and thank you to that person. Come on 222 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.399 up here on the stage and take around of applause. You helps it. 223 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.679 That sounded like a politician who wanted to win. And then he goes on 224 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.039 in the next ten minutes and talks about the importance of unifying the country. 225 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:10.840 Thanks Ron and Nicky for running good salid. Oh my goodness, I thought 226 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:15.559 to myself, Donald Trump has decided to act presidential. This guy is not 227 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:21.759 intent on vengeance. This guy is intent on winning. Eight days later, 228 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:29.679 victory speech in New Hampshire, nasty, divisive, insulting, this sneering comment 229 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.159 to Nicki Haley, insulting the dress she wore. Oh my goodness, my 230 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.960 wife almost came out of her skin when she's sitting on the sofa next to 231 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:42.519 me heard that. Which one of these guys are we going to end up 232 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:47.200 with and do. Isn't it legitimate for all of us to say, wait 233 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:51.320 a minute, he's a seventy eight year old man. He's been in politics 234 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:56.919 for a good long time now. If he hasn't got just the rudimentary political 235 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:03.480 discipline, by now, what are we buying here? Oh, there's no 236 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.119 doubt about it. And those are the two I say. That's the difference 237 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:11.000 between the twenty sixteen and the twenty twenty. The twenty sixteen was the Iowa 238 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.920 speech. The twenty twenty was the New Hampshire speech. There needs to be 239 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.359 enough people who talk to them, family, friends, confidence, others out 240 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.480 there that need to repeatedly. And part of this, someone once told me 241 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.000 from New York years ago, is, you know, part of his instincts, 242 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:26.559 having been in Manhattan real estate, is if you attack me, I 243 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:32.240 punched back twice as hard and then move on. He doesn't view it oftentimes 244 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.680 as personal long after it's done. But at that moment, like you say, 245 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.119 it stings, and in politics that sting, you know, you do 246 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.920 enough of those and you start to break apart your winning coalition. He needs 247 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.880 the folk. Every day, someone needs to tell them you can win. 248 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.119 But here are the things you need to do now. I tell people, 249 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.079 we're never going to make him into a round regul We're not going to make 250 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:57.200 him into the happy warrior. What we have to do is take what we 251 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.759 have and what we have with them that that hand win that I actually think 252 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.680 is a good thing, is that fighter. I'm willing to fight the establishment, 253 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.759 willing to fight the problems in Washington. I'm willing to take on the 254 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.720 things that other politicians won't do, and I will follow through with them. 255 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:15.240 That's the guy who won in twenty sixteen. But if he gets into these 256 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:19.279 individual battles or anything else for him, the best thing he could do is 257 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.759 just say keep saying that. And then, in fact, if I was 258 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.519 coaching him, as I hoped previous vice presidential candidates, if I was coaching 259 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.319 him in the debates, I'd say those simple things and defer the rest of 260 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.119 my time to Joe Biden. Because the more people here Joe Biden speak them, 261 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.640 less likely they are to vote to him. You know, I was 262 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.920 just with a little bit ago a group of students that are here at our 263 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:45.480 headquarters for training from Young America's Foundation, and I was talking to you know, 264 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.240 a number of them from swing states across the country, and I told 265 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.000 them, to their surprise, we just did a national poll and found the 266 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.759 number one issue of college students isn't what you think it is. Certainly isn't 267 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:02.119 what the media talks about. It's the economy. So even college students are 268 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.039 feeling the pain that so many other Americans are out there. If Donald Trump 269 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:10.039 reminds people of what things were like before Joe Biden and where you can take 270 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:14.799 them going forward, and then pens the tale on the donkey figuratively and literally, 271 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.640 I guess in this case to Joe Biden, that's a winning combination. 272 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.920 But it's like you say, it's that discipline that sometimes gets drawn off the 273 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.519 mark. Governor. Thank you for joining us. Man. If I had 274 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.680 a dollar for every time somebody said, you know, if Donald Trump could 275 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.319 just due Donald Trump could just hold him, I'd be as rich as Donald 276 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:41.480 Trump says he is. That's how rich I would be. But but let 277 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.160 me just push back on it a little bit. I'll tell you why. 278 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:45.799 I'll tell why I've been run out of the publican party by Donald Trump. 279 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:49.920 He told me he didn't want me. I don't think he did any of 280 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.640 those things you said he did. I think Obama built more wall on the 281 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:59.240 border than Donald Trump did. I think he blew it in a renegotiating a 282 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.480 trade pack he didn't to with Mexico and Canada basically gave us the same thing. 283 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:04.480 Trade deficit went up, by the way. I think he blew it 284 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.480 going head to head with China. Trade deficit with China went up by the 285 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.720 way. And I don't think he drained the swamp. I think he gave 286 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.240 the swamp over during COVID, and he shut down the government and the economy 287 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.359 without a thought to the plan there. I think he's a weak man, 288 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:23.440 and I think he's a weak leader, and I think the world is a 289 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:29.880 very serious place, and I think he has failed. And the idea that 290 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.839 the Republican Party is in a suicide pact now and it's going to tie its 291 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.960 future to this man who has shown himself to be unfit. When it really 292 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.480 mattered in COVID really mattered, he blew it. And we're going to hope 293 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.799 that at seventy eight years old, a man who has never changed one iote 294 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:52.000 is going to change. I think that's insanity. How am I wrong? 295 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.799 Well, well, I in those sorts of arguments are the ones that I 296 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.279 think a lot of supporters are run to. Sad Is, who I think 297 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:03.279 was a fabulous governor would be had he been the nominee and outstanding president. 298 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.599 The very things you talked of, at least many of them, are things 299 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.680 they wish DeSantis or Nikki Haley or some of the other candidates would have made 300 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:17.359 more Forciblly and would have connected with throughout the campaign. The reality is for 301 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:19.519 a number of reasons, but not the least of which is the perception of 302 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:25.680 voters about what they have versus what they might get. Is set down that 303 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:29.480 pass. So you're going to have a choice between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. 304 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.000 Donald Trump, unlike the past choice where he'll be a one term and 305 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.839 a really important decision he's going to make is who is his running mate, 306 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.480 because that person not only will be vice president, but could very well be 307 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.839 queued up to be the front runner in the next election in twenty twenty eight, 308 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:51.039 which really will ultimately be the future not just of the party but of 309 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:55.519 America in that regard. But I think most people look at this, not 310 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.799 only on the right, but manly swing voters and say, you know, 311 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.839 I hear from so many voters who told me they were either swing moderate voters 312 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.519 or even some lifelong Republicans who said they couldn't take it anymore of Donald Trump 313 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:14.559 and voted for Biden, who now tell me they're either voting for Trump if 314 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.480 he's a nominee, or as many told me, they're just not going to 315 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.400 vote at all. Is that what happened wis Consin in twenty twenty, twenty 316 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:26.000 three thousand people were the difference that could be the winning margin. Yeah, 317 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.839 I mean twenty thousand people in Wisconsin voted for Bid. I mean he won 318 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.000 by twenty thousand votes. Right. It's a high wire iract, whatever you 319 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.839 go go for, but a high wire act in twenty sixteen. I mean, 320 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.440 I'm eliminating the popular vote from this. Because we're all Republicans here. 321 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:45.200 We understand selectro calls, right, but it's a high wire act. What 322 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:51.839 is it about conservatives? I consider myself a conservative, but not a Republican. 323 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.559 What are about conservatives that they see in this high wire act that's worth 324 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.720 giving up their principles for? I just I'm just baffled by it. I 325 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:06.400 mean, I cannot imagine everybody listens podcast already knows cannot imagine I'm going to 326 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:11.920 vote for this man. I can't possibly bring myself to do that. But 327 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:19.519 I'm still conservative. He's not that's my issue. He's not well. And 328 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:25.559 again that's where I think when you look just purely looking at the numbers here, 329 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.759 it's way in a state like Wisconsin, I would argue in Georgia, 330 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.319 in Michigan, where those two states just had polls put out by the Atlanta 331 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:40.559 and the Troy papers, respectively, who showed amazingly former president of having an 332 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:45.839 eight point lead in Pennsylvania, in Nevada, in Arizona. You've got a 333 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:51.000 handful of states via the electoral College who elect argue with the next president. 334 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.519 And in those states, I think, more than anything, voters have had 335 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.960 it with Joe Biden. It's kind of the inverse of what we saw in 336 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.720 twenty sixteen, where people have had it with Hillary Clinton and then voted for 337 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:10.079 Donald Trump. And the case of twenty twenty, you had to flip the 338 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.720 other way where a lot of swing voters and even some Republicans didn't like the 339 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:18.640 tone, the style, the substance. In some cases, tone, style 340 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.480 and substances, all you got easible but now they don't they Now they say 341 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:29.119 I talked to voters all the time who say I'll take the chaos again in 342 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.799 return for not having Joe Biden messing things up in the federal government. Sorry, 343 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:38.720 mister Walker. We know that national reconciliation is possible, just by evidence, 344 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.559 by the fact that I was supporting the Packers. I was rooting for 345 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:48.119 the packers after this year. So I know that we can get past some 346 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.039 of our big schisms here in the country. But it requires having a set 347 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:53.559 of ideals that are passed on to the next generation, which I take it 348 00:24:53.640 --> 00:25:00.359 that your foundation is all about. Now, when you mentioned that you talk 349 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.960 to the young people and they're concerned about the economy, imagine if you talk 350 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.160 to young people of a leftist bend, they too are concerned about the economy. 351 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:10.079 But their solution is to nationalize everything, to socialize everything, and to 352 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:15.319 embrace it all into the big loving arms of Uncle Sam. We need a 353 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.400 cadre of people to march through the institutions, as the Moist used to say, 354 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.759 in order to bring about free enterprise, notions, notions of political individual 355 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.480 liberty, and so forth. Tell us more about your foundation and how you 356 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:33.599 hope to train the young minds of tomorrow to do the right thing. Yeah, 357 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.839 YAF dot org. If you're a student under attack, we've got your 358 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.720 back. Your parent and grandparent joining us here today. We love to send 359 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.759 one of your kids or grandkids to one of our conferences, beat at the 360 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.920 Reagan Ranch out in California, the Ronald Reagan boy at Home and Dixon in 361 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.920 Virginia and Washington, or even some of our regional conferences like one that sounds 362 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.599 pretty nice these days in Orlando, Wisconsin coming up, Actually in Atlanta, 363 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:02.200 Florida, which is coming up. And we do conferences. We have the 364 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:07.400 largest conservative lecture series in the nation, helping out students in some two thousand 365 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.440 campuses, and then we broadcast this so YAFTV on YouTube now has one point 366 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:17.240 six million subscribers and last year we should pass one point two billion views, 367 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:22.319 with great names like Ben Shapiro and many others out there talking about those very 368 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.759 conservative principles. We're not exclusively a Reagan institution, but we very much are 369 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:32.039 proud to be aligned with him, not just because of those historic presidential properties, 370 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.319 but because we talk that we're not political, we're a nonprofit, but 371 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.160 certainly right of center, and we talk about things that Reagan cared about, 372 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:45.480 free enterprise, individual liberties, strong national defense, traditional American values are so 373 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:49.880 important. And you're right, there's a lot of folks out there who think, 374 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.079 you know, buying to Bernie Sanders free everything. We like to say 375 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.279 we're for free things as well. We're for free enterprise, freedom, religion, 376 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:03.319 freedom, association, importantly freedom. And I think, you know, 377 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:10.160 for young people, the bad rub that this generation gets is that you know, 378 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.880 they're all crazy, that all radicals, they all buy into this. 379 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.279 But I tell them there's nothing wrong with young voters. I'm not afraid of 380 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.480 them. I'm afraid of young voters. We only hear one side of the 381 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:23.720 story, and sadly, on too many campuses, they're only hearing one side 382 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.720 of the story. If given a chance, I'll give you a quick example 383 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.680 then. So Stamford one of the places I spoke at right before COVID a 384 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.039 few years ago. I was not present at time, I was just a 385 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:40.480 speaker there, but Yaffiff had organized the event with the college Republicans on campus. 386 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.079 I came and spoke was used to some protesters because I hadn't many in 387 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.480 my own state, but it was a great event, great great q and 388 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.839 a great, great opportunity to engage with the students. But of the three 389 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:55.039 students who organized, and two of the three very normal backgrounds, but once 390 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.200 said, oh, both my parents are Democrats, but I'm a conservative. 391 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:02.079 It it was because he'd been exposed to consider the thoughts in high school. 392 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.720 He's one of the rare few that got that. And when he got to 393 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:08.079 Stanford he was a full blood of conserve. He understood that true freedom and 394 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.960 opportunity don't come from the clumsy hand of the government. They come from empowering 395 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:17.440 people through the dignity that comes from hard work. And that's a great story. 396 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:22.720 But what makes it really powerful, you guys appreciate John's mother just happens 397 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.039 to be Susan Rice. So John Rice Cameron is a full blood. He's 398 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.480 now graduated, works in finance. But to me, he's a great pretty 399 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:36.880 so conservative he is that he went straight to Wallstown, right, Yeah, 400 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.480 And that's great. Stories like that are great. The job that we have, 401 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.920 and I'm sure the YF is conscious of this, is changing a culture 402 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:51.799 that is now just sort of automatically leans left and its language and its attitudes 403 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.079 and its positions and the rest of it. And that's that's a big job. 404 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:56.839 I mean again, I mentioned the words that are marching behind you the 405 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.960 long game. Doesn't that record not just putting people in finance, but putting 406 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:06.279 people in positions where they're able to shape and inform the culture in a way 407 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:11.799 that is more that is friendly or to freedom. Let's just put it that 408 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.759 way. Yeah, yeah, part of our long game plan. Knowing the 409 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.920 left has done this for decades, it was enhanced with Saul Lensky's efforts, 410 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:25.079 you know, the march through higher education these days argue if you shut down 411 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.400 a college campus, it would do more to stop the spread of communism than 412 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:33.359 that of COVID. But it is one of those where higher education we've got 413 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.799 programs to help the few. But there are some not just conservative professors and 414 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:45.000 educators, even in twelve and senior dealing with high school and middle school students. 415 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.400 There's not only conservative educators. There's many of their just quietly out there 416 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.960 trying to be objective, and so providing support to them is part of our 417 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.720 long game proposal. We have a journalism center that tries to teach fact based, 418 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.519 you know, objective, true seeking journalism. That's good. Let me 419 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.400 stop you right there. That's that's the thing, the journalism part, because 420 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.640 the language matters, and the crop of journalists that is coming in today, 421 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.359 if you survey them, you will find that they are opposed to the idea 422 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.079 of objectivity because objectivity treats both sides as if they're the same. You know, 423 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.799 that is critical. And you know, newspapers where I work come here 424 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:25.400 at the Star Tribune, we aren't exactly the most going concern. But when 425 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.400 it comes to online journalism and internet, you know, and when people get 426 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:33.160 on the Internet, I would say, don't concentrate on putting people in the 427 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.519 newspapers. Concentrate on putting people into positions where their tiktoks can get to kids, 428 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.240 because that's going to be the more effective information distribution platform in the future 429 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:47.000 than the old just you know, dead Tree newspaper. Absolutely. In fact, 430 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.680 most of our placements now increasingly are on digital media outlets, and it's 431 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.599 why we put such a focus on on our YouTube channels, on broadcasting our 432 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.960 lectures and our conferences and really perfecting a form. I give credit to Bench 433 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.720 Shapiro for doing this. When he speaks on a campus for us, about 434 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.799 half of his time or more is taking questions of that. He allows anyone 435 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.960 who disagrees with him to raise their hand and go to the front of the 436 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:17.000 lawn. Why that's powerful is it's just good TV or good YouTube in this 437 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:22.240 case because of that engagement. But the other part is both in person but 438 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.279 particularly online. I believe this generation more thing. It's two key things. 439 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.480 They like authenticity with that kind of echange does not pre package format, but 440 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:37.359 real live interaction friction. But then and Ben and others speak for us, 441 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.880 do this well like Reagan would have just you know, polite but simple and 442 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.799 aggressive replies, you know, explaining the truth, the counter to the radical 443 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.880 nonsense. They've been here on campus. So authenticity is part of it. 444 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.680 The other Bard's fairness. You know, the left does a good job of 445 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.640 common doing that, but as conservatives, we should embrace the concept of fairness. 446 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.359 You know, I don't care what you look like where you come from. 447 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:01.960 I don't care you're black or white, rich or poor, younger old. 448 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:06.160 I don't care whether you were born in America or you legally came here 449 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.440 from somewhere else. I want everyone to have the same freedoms and same opportunities 450 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.480 that were passed on to me by prior generations. We talk about those core 451 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.119 things, not only to Americas in general, but even young people. They 452 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.880 get into that not hearing that, and we've got to expouse that, as 453 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.559 you said, on formats like TikTok and YouTube and others, which are really 454 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.079 at least for this generation, the places they're getting in information. Yeah, 455 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.160 I mean, Governor, I think that's a really powerful point. I mean, 456 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.359 universities used to be a place you went to hear ideas and arguments you 457 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.319 had never heard before. Like you went to the college and you came back 458 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.039 and your head was all turned around and you were filled with ideas. And 459 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.200 now you go to college to never hear ideas that might challenge the way you 460 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.759 think. So I guess my question is that, I mean, whenever I'm 461 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:57.079 talking about, especially at ed institutions in general, with conservatives, there's really 462 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.039 two camps. There's one that says we've got to go in and reform. 463 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.039 We've got to go in reform right that. You know, people argue, 464 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.279 even in the media right now, Well, you know what, the La 465 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.240 Times wouldn't be in such trouble with they had a few conservatives writing for it. 466 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:14.440 Right, it wasn't so such a monoculture. And the other part, 467 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.880 the other half of that conservative conversation is always to hell with them, to 468 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.599 hell with Harvard, Princeton, Yale, to hell with the La Times, 469 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.519 let them sink, let them die. We got to build our own. 470 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.400 What side of you on? I'm a missionary. I believe missionary mindset in 471 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:36.079 this movement that we're cell under attack now on higher ed in social media and 472 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:39.000 traditional media outlets, that we have to have the mindset of a missionary, 473 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.759 that we're going to go out and spread the word. We've got the truth 474 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.440 on our side. We shouldn't be afraid to go anywhere and everywhere. It's 475 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:51.039 why, you know, we fought a lawsuit in one at the University of 476 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.720 California, Berkeley. It's why we're in the Ivy League schools, or the 477 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.200 University Wisconsin Madison or anywhere else out there. We'll fight in every campus anywhere 478 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.240 across the nation. We have YAFF chapters, uh for example, at Hillsdale 479 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.599 or Liberty or other places like that. God bless them. That's more about 480 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:13.199 really, but I need, you know, I need a voice. And 481 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.880 all these more radicalized campuses as well as you know, in places like TikTok. 482 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.159 I'm not personally on TikTok. I think there's real problems with the CCP 483 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.280 and connection with TikTok. But Yaff has got a voice on TikTok because we're 484 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.800 going to go where they're at. And until there are young people out there 485 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.239 that haven't heard the truth or that we've all we covered them all, well 486 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.400 well then maybe we can retreat. But right now our only chance for success 487 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.000 is to go on their territory and make breakthrough. We can't just sit back 488 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.519 and do it all by speaking to the choir. You know, I'm just 489 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.880 sorry. I kept thinking about the the yafft chapter at the Hillsdale. That 490 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.320 must be the easiest post ever. It's like being one of those Mormon missionaries 491 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.639 you get assigned to Salt Lake City. Yeah, okay, we can kind 492 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.199 of take it easy here. How I mean, just because I know Peter 493 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:05.039 wants to jump in before I how tough is it? Or I guess I 494 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.360 should say the other way round. I said, how brave are they right 495 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:15.199 now? Twenty twenty four college campus, young American Freedom member? What are 496 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.559 you looking at? How tough is it going to be for them? Oh, 497 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.719 the abuse, the pushback. We were just talking to a massive hall 498 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.760 full of them earlier, and they're just so inspiring because they're so courageous. 499 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:29.519 I was talking to Jasmine Jordan, who heads up the chapter University of Iowa, 500 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.639 when she brought a speaker on this past semester. They've had multiple speakers, 501 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.360 but she brought someone in and the left was so unhinged that they put 502 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.559 out thirty thousand marbles on the steps that go into this auditorium. Oh nodding 503 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.199 that. I said, it's proof positive the left has lost their marbles. 504 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.119 But it's just, you know, these are the things they do. It's 505 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.880 the hatred, the pushback. You know, it doesn't matter what they're talking 506 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.840 about, it's all the same tactics. You're racist, you're sexist, you're 507 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.559 transphobic, or whatever. Jazz's a good example. She'd been called a white 508 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:07.000 supremists, Jasmin's a black woman. I mean, it's it's incredible the stuff 509 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.000 that they push back on. But it's part of the reason why we have 510 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:14.519 these conferences. Isn't that we're necessarily converting kids at these to think more consertive 511 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.800 ideas. It's that these students come and they realize, hey, I'm not 512 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:22.400 alone. There actually are other people like me. Because the left's winning strategy, 513 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.360 and it's true in elections as well, is to make those of us 514 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:30.039 who are conservative feel like we're alone. Thankfully, there's more of us than 515 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.920 you'd think, even on college campuses. The University of Wisconsin at Madison, 516 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:45.559 it is a great public institution, but every time you see the electoral map 517 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:52.840 in Wisconsin, Madison is voting for the other side and I'm and it's publicly 518 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.679 funded. I mean, as governor, you're the guy who was right assigning 519 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.639 the bills that funded that darned place. I don't know. At some point 520 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:08.199 I'd like to hear you address the essay question my life with the act, 521 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:14.079 my life with the people who ran out, who ran the University of Wisconsin 522 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:19.920 and Madison man to have the state government and the university centered in the same 523 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:27.199 otherwise beautiful town was just a lot. But well, I mean, if 524 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.800 you want to take a couple of sets, we've now got Rhonda Santis and 525 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:37.559 the As governor, he appointed Chris Rufo to the board of trustees of a 526 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.119 small college down Florida, the state institution, and the trustees of the University 527 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.679 of Florida have just brought in Ben sass. I mean, it feels as 528 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:51.079 though the slowest most insulated market in the world, which is the market for 529 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.920 higher education in the United States, at prestigious institutions such as the University of 530 00:37:54.920 --> 00:38:05.559 Wisconsin. He's finally beginning to respond, Is it is it? Yeah? 531 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.679 I think it is, hope. But again, it's that long game that 532 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.079 you see back there. It's not just a couple of quick wins. You 533 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.559 know, when I was governor, we put on regions that put in place 534 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:20.079 inforcable measures to protect free speech because like many campuses even today, you'll see 535 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.280 Heckler's vetos where you know, protests can come up and shut down a conservative 536 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.079 speaker or sometimes even with the blessing of the administration, as we saw with 537 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:35.480 the Stanford Law School issue. But that's great, but that's still not enough. 538 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.159 I say, we got to take it a step further. If there's 539 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.280 any regret I had as governor we did the free speech stuff, we should 540 00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:45.360 have gone much much further. I love pointing out on college campuses and with 541 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.599 boards and trustees and regents that you know, the faculty and others will claim 542 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.719 academic freedom. But I love to point out the counter that if you truly 543 00:38:54.760 --> 00:39:00.280 believe in diversity, how about diversity have thought? You know why is most 544 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.239 arts and sciences programs in most of our iley schools either have little or none 545 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.639 in some cases of the people on their faculty who are even remotely right of 546 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:15.519 Stalin. That's the trouble with your institutions, with your foundation's name. I 547 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.119 hate to say it because to a lot of kids, a lot of kids 548 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.400 today Americans eh nationalistic freedom, freedom to do bad things. You need to 549 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:30.039 call yourself the foundation of world citizen diversity, and that will bring them in. 550 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.079 When I was in college, a friend of mine had a Soviet dissident 551 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.519 that he wanted he wanted everybody to know how bad the USSR was in the 552 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.920 college, and of course they didn't believe that those case, so he called 553 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:45.280 it the nuclear freeze movement in the Soviet Union, and we packed the auditorium 554 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.320 with people who were there eager to hear about what it was. And of 555 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.199 course the dissident got up and said, there is no nuclear freeze movement and 556 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.280 will not be until Russia is free, and sat down to great you know, 557 00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.639 to the applause of all the the dps. So yeah, we're at 558 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.400 a point on campus where if you say young Americans for Freedom, people recoil 559 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.440 like a like a vampire to garlic because you because those concepts are are questionable 560 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:15.280 and sus uh good luck is all like you say, is from all of 561 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.960 us, and and our thanks as well for joining us. Unless Rob had 562 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.400 one more thing with which he wanted to do, thank you, Thank you 563 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.239 for coming and great work with YAF. Give us that website address again through 564 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.400 which they can see all of your social media and your youtubes and the rest 565 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:36.159 of it. It is why YAF dot o RG and y F tv is 566 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.840 our YouTube and all the other stuff is right there on our website terms of 567 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.239 social media. Well, by the way, I we're talking to, we're 568 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:49.239 talking to a former governor of considerable accomplishment, who could himself be sitting on 569 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.440 boards and working on Wall Street. YAF is a labor of love for Scott 570 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:59.039 Walker, and he actually governor. I don't know. I sort of asked 571 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.840 around when you took the job, and everybody said no, no, no, 572 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.719 no, this is full time for him. This is really what he 573 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.119 is doing with his life. So thank you. And also in the future. 574 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.079 You know, the Reagan Library is nice. Florida is nice, but 575 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.639 so is Ryan Lander in the summer. Dude, you know you have a 576 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.280 conference, have a conference there, you know, and I'd be happy to 577 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.039 show up and speak just a couple of just a couple of hours. Scott 578 00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:27.119 Walker, thank you so much, thank you, thank you, Governor. 579 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.880 Bye. Before we, uh, we went to the governor, we were 580 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.480 talking about Texas and Rob did not have the chance to chime in on how 581 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.239 he believes the razor wire debate is going to shake itself out. Razor wire 582 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.320 debate. I love that. Oh yeah, that's good. That's great to 583 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.400 put. You know, I have no idea how to shake out. I 584 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.199 mean, I guess I understand the constitutional argument, right that the federal government 585 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:58.119 is supposed to guard the border of the Federation of States that we have and 586 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.199 it's derelict in that right. So I guess I understand the constitutional argument. 587 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.719 I mean, if that's what it is, I just I don't understand the 588 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.360 logic. I just don't. You know, sometimes you try to think it's 589 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.400 that old, you know thing, the Godfather and the Godfather that Michael Corleone 590 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.960 says to Tom Hagen. He goes. Dad Pop always taught me to try 591 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.039 to think the way the other sides thinks, think the way that people around 592 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:29.000 here, your competitors think. Like I don't know what they're thinking in the 593 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.079 Democratic Party, what are they thinking. I mean, it's funny because I 594 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.599 remember years ago. I'm just how old I am. I remember years ago 595 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:43.280 Colorado Democrat, Colorado congressman named Tomton Tankrado ran for president, and he ran 596 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.360 for president Desions maybe ninety two thousand, maybe two thousand and four, I 597 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.320 think two thousand and It was on the illegal immigration issue. That's what his 598 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.400 big issue was immigration. And I knew a lot of people in the Publican 599 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.320 party then who said, yeah, he's right about that. But like you 600 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.519 know, we do these focus groups in these polls and nobody cares. There's 601 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.800 just no interest in this. This is just not something that people care about. 602 00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:07.119 And then you know, twenty thousand and four rolled around, two thousand 603 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.320 and eight rolled around, this is not something people really care about, and 604 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.960 they would show you not so many people care about. Twenty twelve rolled around, 605 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.760 same thing. It's hard for me to believe that there's a person paying 606 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:28.519 attention in politics on any side who thinks that this is something to ignore. 607 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.519 I understand the idea of saber rattling. If I was a Democrat, I'd 608 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.559 be you know, screaming bloody murder about it and then try to pass something 609 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:43.360 This is sort of useless and toothless, right, you know, kind of 610 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.079 like when Republicans talk about the environment, they don't really care about it, 611 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:52.920 but to pass something, right. But the idea of going to court so 612 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.280 that you can you don't, so whoever is protective board must not do that 613 00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.400 seems insane, just baffling to me, Like I just don't get even the 614 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:08.280 politics of it. And I can't imagine that the you know, the normal 615 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:15.239 American person somewhere there in the middle there somewhere doesn't look at this and think, 616 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.000 we, well, what else are you supposed to be doing if not 617 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.480 protecting the borders of the United States. This seems bananas to me. And 618 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.280 I just don't know who's in that meeting, Like, who is there anybody 619 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.960 in that meeting in the in the in the clown car that's the Biden administration 620 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.320 saying well, wa wait, wait a minute, we can't actually we got 621 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.039 to do something. Okay, these aren't smart people, These aren't brilliant people 622 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.039 who are crafting behind these doors the eventual replacement of all Americans with people from 623 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.000 the other part of the world. They're generally mediocre, banal minds who are 624 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.480 looking at optics and saying, you know, I feel bad about the fact 625 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.960 that there's razor wire and you could have some family that just wants to improve 626 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.159 their lot in life and the kids get their dress stuck on the razor wire. 627 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.519 That's horrible. It shouldn't happen. I know somebody who was as ribbon 628 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.599 conservatives that they come down in Arizona, who was driving around and saw a 629 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.320 whole bunch of people, families whatnot, standing on a corner looking for jobs 630 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:08.440 or hands out of the rest of it, and she just said, you 631 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.360 know, oh, I feel so bad. We should just let them all 632 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.119 in, right, And she's as you know, as hardcore concern, But 633 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.480 at that moment, there was a swelling in the breast of fellow feeling and 634 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.599 empathy for these people, and how can we not, how can we not? 635 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.920 We've got so much it's not so unfair. And so that's I swear, 636 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.199 that's what motivates a lot of these people. At the same time, 637 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:32.280 you may ask what are they thinking when they have judges who will say, 638 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.880 well, you know what, I know, it's your seventh attempt for carjacking 639 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.280 with a with a with a pistol and you're a felon, but I'm gonna 640 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:44.079 give you one more chance. What are they thinking? They're thinking that the 641 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:49.800 empathy and thea of what these people have been through and disparities and equities and 642 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.519 the rest of it, and they're not it's not a smart, calculated gamble. 643 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.480 I think I think that they're acting with their hearts in the in the 644 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.079 stupid space the way, because the end result is what you see now in 645 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.840 Chicago in New York, where you have places that are full, the hotels 646 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.039 bursting into the gun wales with all of these illegal scooters out front. The 647 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.920 guys are door dashing here. Yeah, I mean you know about this rob 648 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:14.400 right and the money that has to be spent. So we're going to get 649 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.039 to the point eventually where the people who are citizens of these cities will say, 650 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.480 wait a minute, hold on, you've got to house all these people. 651 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.400 You're going to actually they're going to build housing at some point to house 652 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.199 the people who are not citizens, and in order to do so they will 653 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.840 take money from the people who live in those cities and give it to them 654 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.760 for because because it's because of the wonderful things. Yeah right, it's such 655 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:37.880 a bananas thing. You have that in a New York City. It was 656 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:44.239 like this, this electric moment when people saw for they saw the actual choice 657 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:52.039 being made. We're going to close a school to house illegal immergrants. It's 658 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:57.039 such a bizarrely stark choice. It's like if you if you had said to 659 00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.480 somebody, you know, five years ago, ten years ago, twenty years 660 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.320 ago, this is going to happen. They say, come on, come 661 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.760 on, I know, I mean, you know you guys, and you're 662 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.679 crazy. Fantasies is not gonna happen. And they had it did and the 663 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.719 and the and. But's what's strange to me also, is this this weird 664 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.519 misunderstanding of the way. Look, I mean, I think we are the 665 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.239 most general I mean, I did a show on it's on Fox Nation. 666 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:22.159 It's called six History of the World and the Six Classes. By the way, 667 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:23.119 it's great. You should go look at it. It's really a lot 668 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:28.280 of fun. And uh. The host was Dan Ackroyd. Dan Akroyd, 669 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:35.000 famous comedian guy and he's Canadian, and and he would we talked about their 670 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.559 couple couple uh is history of the World, six classes, and and and 671 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.280 and six kind of drakes so so beer, wine, spirits, coffee, 672 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.039 tea, soda and in the soda part was essentially kind of a vodka. 673 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.920 Yeah, right, drinking and he said he said something like you know, 674 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.360 I think he was he was, uh. We were toasting at the end 675 00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.000 of the show, and he goes said, and we have to raise a 676 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:04.440 glass too to United States of America. Good for the most the most generous 677 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.920 nation on earth. He said it a couple of times Canadian, right, 678 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.320 And that is true. It is absolutely true, and worse the other guys, 679 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.599 says Jim Belution. Somebody eftery who else was like, we're noding, 680 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:16.880 Like, you know, we rarely hear that, but it's true. So 681 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.559 I guess I agree with you. There probably are some people who look at 682 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.880 those hordes in the border and think, oh, you know, what do 683 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.800 we do? But there's still got to be a process, right, It's 684 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.039 still got to be a procedure. You still have to have some kind of 685 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.239 like you know, crowd control, which they don't have a policy. That's 686 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.280 that's uh, that's clearly identified, which they don't have, and it just 687 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.920 seems to me that like that's what that's. Look. I understand that Biden 688 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:45.760 is is is uh is in earlier, mid or late stages of dementia, 689 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.679 but that doesn't mean everybody else gets to be that way. Like somebody's got 690 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.840 to be you know, dry a driving the bus here, and to not 691 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:58.280 even show interest in busy work seems to be crazy. Yeah, the person 692 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.559 driving the bus is actually not a citizen because you're giving them licenses. Now, 693 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.360 Peter, you wanted to say something, No, no, I mean 694 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.199 all this is absolutely fascinating to me. I mean, even if you kind 695 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:13.360 of I'd be very happy to explode and be angry. And I can do 696 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.960 that because I sort of participate in the actual participate in the politics of this 697 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:20.599 thing. But if I take a step or two back, it really is 698 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:25.400 just fascinating because it raises two questions. Rob has already raised one of them. 699 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.719 Well, actually Rob has implicitly raised both of them. Who is making 700 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:37.679 the decisions? We know that Joe Biden, throughout his political life, which 701 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:44.639 I believe has ended, he's just not in charge. He's spending three three 702 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.719 day weekends at home in Delaware to rest up, and who knows what kind 703 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.760 of transfer. I don't know, but he's not in charge. And we 704 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.400 know he's not in charge because throughout his career he understood that he had to 705 00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:01.840 champion the ordinary working Democrats, exactly the kinds of people that Scott Walker was 706 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:08.159 talking about in Milwaukee. When Joe Biden was sentient, he understood that was 707 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:13.639 his base. And those people are as upset about open borders as we are. 708 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:19.159 So there's some the people around him, somebody around him has made a 709 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:25.719 political calculation that it is less damaging to his reelection prospects to leave the borders 710 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.840 open than it would be to begin to close them. And that is because 711 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:36.039 they have a sophisticated or think they have a sophisticated understanding of their supporters. 712 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.760 And their supporters include the squad aoc Rashid, whatever her name is, and 713 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.360 a hard we call it the progressive left. It's actually very hard left that 714 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:53.559 really does want open borders. And they have decided they've made a political calculation 715 00:50:54.159 --> 00:51:00.400 that as messy as this is, they need that piece of their base. 716 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.639 That's the first thing. And I can understand the Department of justice. You 717 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.559 get those lawyers over there, they get a state acting in defiance, and 718 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.320 they feel they can't help themselves. They've got to go to court against it. 719 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.119 But here's my next question, which I put to you two guys. 720 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:21.400 I can't think of a bigger story in the country right now than this story. 721 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.239 You have a governor of what is Texas, the second most populous state 722 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.639 in the country, now engaging in an act of open defiance against the president 723 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.079 of the United States. You have the governors of twenty four, maybe up 724 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.280 to twenty five other states signing statements in support of him. You have this 725 00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:44.760 thing headed to the courts. It's the most politically explosive issue immigration. And 726 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:50.599 I have been scrolling down the site of The New York Times online at this 727 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:57.480 hour. Not a single word about it. One They are pretending it doesn't 728 00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.760 exist, or they're making it a datorial judgment in the room's newsroom. It's 729 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:07.559 not news. That's what I can sort of understand. The somebody around Biden. 730 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.800 I can sort of understand the political I think they're wrong about the political 731 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:15.760 calculations, But I think I understand the political calculations. I do not understand 732 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:22.400 the journalistic decision here. Well, I'm let me. I have two possibilities 733 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:27.440 here. One is I don't understand the political calculation when for some reason I'm 734 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:37.079 more nervous or I get more disquieted when people espouse not when people espouse ideas 735 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.559 or politics or policies different from mine, but when they when people in politics 736 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.239 are bad at politics, it's like I kind of want them at least to 737 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.559 you know what I mean. Yeah, but I think what they want. 738 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.840 I think it's what happens when you're a you're a bad teacher or headmaster, 739 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.880 and you see rule breaking going on, and you can't do anything to stop 740 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.440 it, so you look away. You got to look away from what the 741 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:09.480 governor's doing because you can't stop it. Because even people who disagree with the 742 00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:14.159 with the governor of Texas, you end up saying things, well, on 743 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.199 a constitutional level, it's probably not a good idea, which is not a 744 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.760 full throat It's not the same thing as saying over the borders, right. 745 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.599 And I feel like the probably what's going to happen the smart move, I 746 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.599 mean, maybe they'll do it politically. For the Bide administration to get out 747 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.119 of this is simply to ignore it. Because you cannot stop it, and 748 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:36.119 if you try to stop it, all you'll do is remind people that you 749 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:40.119 have But you have one national leader who has a border policy, which is 750 00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.119 border security, and you have another national leader, federal leader, who has 751 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:52.719 no policy that he will articulate except let chaos reign. And that is not 752 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.760 a winning formula. And I think what they want to do is they kind 753 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.519 of want to, you know, shrug and dance and tap dance their way 754 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:07.599 through this problem and hope that we all move on to something else. But 755 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.960 the governor of Texas, to his great credit, is not letting him do 756 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.960 that, and he's going to probably his argument is you want you want me 757 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:19.320 to stop doing this, come and stop me. Come and stop me. 758 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.679 I mean, I thinking you've got the governor of Texas saying come and stop 759 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.920 me, although he's doing it in a more ill elegant I mean, I 760 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.800 actually been watching him on television. I think Greig Abbott is he sounds in 761 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:35.320 control, he sounds calm, he sounds rational, his statement was constitutionally reasoned. 762 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.079 He's got twenty five other governors supporting him. That's happening on the southern 763 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:45.719 border of Texas up north we have the Mayor of New York saying to the 764 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:51.679 Biden administration, help, I can't handle this. We've got the mayor of 765 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.719 Chicago making noises that there are troubles in Chicago. But you have the democratically 766 00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:00.480 elected mayor of New York, an African American man, saying help, I 767 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.719 can't handle this. And then you've got Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House 768 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.559 of Representatives, saying, I don't know what they're cooking up over in the 769 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:14.280 Senate, but if it comes to our chamber and it doesn't address the wall, 770 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:20.480 we will, excuse me, doesn't address the border in some really serious 771 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.079 way, we will not pass it. And that means you don't get your 772 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:27.119 aid for Ukraine and you don't get your aid for Israel. Now that's by 773 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.679 there are good questions about whether that's the right way to go. But this 774 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.880 thing, I've never seen, I can I say never, well, not 775 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.679 that I can remember at the moment, anyway, seen an issue teed up 776 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:46.639 in this way where the two sides are so stark in every regard North South 777 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.599 dramatic images at the border. New York Times refusing to acknowledge that it's even 778 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.679 taking place. What nothing to see here. Move along, move a law. 779 00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:01.360 How the Congress it's teed up across the country. And into this strides 780 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:08.079 the figure the beloved to Rob Long figure of Donald J. Trump saying I 781 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:14.079 want a wall and you want open borders. That's a pretty simple message, 782 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.519 and it's a pretty powerful one. I okay, so now I've talked myself 783 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.679 right into Rob's position, which is, these guys don't even understand how how 784 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:27.199 the game is. These guys whoever is around Biden, they have no idea. 785 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:29.840 I don't know. I mean, I'm almost willing to say it's because 786 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:35.119 they're so coddled. There's such members of the elite that they've been back and 787 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.679 forth to Wall Street. They have no idea what's happening in the rest of 788 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:43.280 the country. It'll be interesting to see how It'll be interesting to see how 789 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.679 Donald Trump builds a wall, because I think he had four years before to 790 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:51.480 sort of craft how he was going to do it and didn't quite get around 791 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.159 to it there though, So maybe this time he'll do a little bit more 792 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:55.280 out of the gate. Actually, to tell you the truth, I don't 793 00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:00.960 believe he'll do any more in a second term. They needed in the first, 794 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:07.960 right, this is Revenge Tour Dan to hear Scott Walker talk about how 795 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:14.000 he fights for and he's a fighter. I don't want to end that, 796 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:15.360 No, I just don't want to end the podcast on that sort of division. 797 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.519 We don't. I'm good for him, and I hope somebody talks to 798 00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:25.679 him about the background that he uses when he's doing those video calls, because 799 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.840 the top of the Capitol was coming up in this point behind him, and 800 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.159 it almost made him look like a conehead to go back to the Dyanackroyd thing. 801 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.360 But he's not from France, He's from Wisconsin. Anyway, We thank 802 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.000 you for for being along. And I would like to note that Rob Long, 803 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.119 who was calling him governor the whole time, I thought we were against 804 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.199 the sort of permanent honorifics or we are we are? We I am? 805 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.079 But you know I like him, so I get it. You know, 806 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.679 it's all completely well. Rob is headed Divinity School, and he's laying the 807 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:58.800 predicate for forcing us to refer to him as the Reverend doctor the reverence the 808 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:06.800 Reverend doctor Lloyd. Oh you think I'm insufferable? Now just wait, okay, 809 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:08.519 all right, sat Anne Selman, the making we'll talk to you. 810 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.679 Then listen, everybody, Go listen. Go go to ricochet dot com check 811 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.440 the link out for Rob's new show. I'm going to watch it starting at 812 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.079 lunch. I forgot about it and I can't wait. And also, while 813 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.239 you're there, join Ricoshet and you get access to the member feed, which 814 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.920 is just so much fun. 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