Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have an exciting show for you tonight. I'm a fan of the person
we have on, Frasier Kine from the publisher of Universe Today, and also
a podcast that I started listening to when it very first started and on and
off many times over. I think it's been thirteen years or something like that.
They're already up to episode five hundred and that's called Astronomy Cast. And
I love the show. And so anyway, I was really happy that now
Frasier is not someone that is really down with UFOs. We will discuss it
and get will get his opinion, and I promise you won't be violent or
anything. We may have a couple of semisoft debates about the topic and we'll
see where it goes from there. And then we're gonna be talking a lot
of space and all that stuff later on in the show, toward after the
first hour, we will take calls anyone would like to call in and ask
questions, and you know, the host some questions or whatever. We will
go from there. So I want to thank everyone that supports the show.
Anyone can do that. You can find that info on podcast ufo dot com
and generally we are live on KGr A Radio. And so, first of
all, the producer Race Hobbs is stuck somewhere in a canyon. He was
I think he was actually in a tunnel. People are trying to turn around
and it was a big mess. And so his fill in guy sent me
his radar picture. There's tornadoes all in his area. So they're just popping
on a replay over there. So I apologize for your regular I don't even
know how to get to you people over at KGr A Radio. Hopefully they'll
wander over to the YouTube channel over my website and see the show. Alejandro,
welcome to the show. Are you I'm doing well? How are you
doing? Betty? Doing just great? Doing great? It's raining and pouring.
It's it's rain and pouring, I guess the same thing. But it's
cold, Chili. We're getting the the winter chill already here in h October.
It's raining here and it's it's cold. For Arizona. It's probably it's
probably still in the seventies or eighties, but for Arizona that's very cold.
Yeah, I know, And well you need the rain, right, yeah,
we've got it. Yeah, so we've got a lot of rain going
on, but yeah, we do need it. Yeah. So well that's
good. Um, yeah, I heard the whole of Southwest is going to
get quite a delush out there. And so what's going on in the UFO
etc. World. Yeah, So I've got three stories I would like to
cover two UFOs, and in celebration of your guests today or just because I
love space, I've got a space one two my own space story. So
to begin this, I'm not sure if this is even a new story,
but it's someone something, someone posted in the Open Mind UFO news group and
this is from casino dot org and they actually have a UFO site. It's
pretty cool where they've got a lot of information, some stats and everything regarding
UFOs. And of course up top what do they have. They've got the
odds of seeing a UFO. So according to Las Vegas, essentially it's it
looks like if I'm reading this, it's a plus one one hundred and twenty
four thousand and seven hundred, which I think means one thousand, two hundred
and forty seven to one odds that you'll see a UFO. They list that's
not that bad. Yeah, and well that's just Alabama, looks like.
So they've got everything for every different state. Let's see, we'll just look
up a couple in Maine. It's a lot better. It's three hundred and
seventy to one. That's because it's only three hundred and seventy people in Maine,
I think. Yeah. And then let's check Arizona. Really, wow,
the odds are really I think their numbers are way off according to I'm
sure they didn't use like population and stuff like that, but Arizona they have
it at something like nearly two thousand to one odds, so very high,
which is kind of weird. But there's a lot more information about history of
UFO sidings, including a timeline that's interactive where you can click and look at
different sidings. It also has a few facts and here they are. These
are interesting. You're most likely to see a UFO in Wyoming. According to
them. Florida is a state with the lowest odds of seeing a UFO,
which is according to them, which is completely different than any statistics averson.
So I don't know where they're getting their numbers. And then it says,
oh yeah, yep, over forty thousand Americans have taken out alien abduction insurance.
Boy, I didn't see that coming. Boy. Yeah, how weird
is that? Yeah, so they've got a lot of starting a comeback.
I'm not sure where they get their numbers. I would argue their numbers,
but it is pretty interesting, can you before you go on there? So
if you do happen to get abducted, how do you collect your you know,
I don't know, you know, I've heard of this before, actually,
this alien abduction insurance, because you can get insurance pretty much for everything.
And yeah, yeah, exactly, and I think this is a Lloyd's
product as well, So you'd have to look that up if you're looking to
get alien abduction insurance. Although you know, I'm sure as we know,
especially that many of those forty thousand, probably the majority, probably really genuinely
believe that, you know, they may be abducted or have been before,
so who knows. Yeah, I would really love to see that policy.
Yeah, really interesting. But the interface in the graphics, you can tell
that this they spent a lot of time on this site and it's really really
cool. In fact, there's a little map and when you click on your
country or where you are your state. I mean this little UFO flies above
it and being this little light down. So the graphics are really cool.
It's a really cool site. Interesting something to check out. So a couple
other pieces of news, So you and I talked at length about this on
my podcast, But to the Stars Academy has come out with an article recently
about some alleged anomalous materials that they have are examining. You know, I
complained to lot about how they wrote this article and how it came about.
But the point is what's interesting, of course, is they have this project
where they're taking what people are claiming to be mysterious material and they're actually looking
into it. It appears that the material they're looking into right now are what
are known as arts parts. So it's something art Bell got and we're deducing
this because the article said it had similar elements magnesium, zinc, bismuth that
we're claimed in small layers, just like we're claimed that we're to be part
of these arts parts. And the story and here was my big, big
complaint. The article referred to this material and that it has been out there
for decades. If it is arts parts, which I'm sure it is.
They really, I feel, should have done a whole history of the material.
You know how it was anonymously sent to art Bell, so we have
a full story of what the heck this stuff is. I hope that it
was just an oversight, because it's kind of deceptive not to give history,
even if it hurts the credibility. I mean, because that history is going
to come out regardless, so we should know either way. But there's another
development. So researchers have found and I'm not sure who found this in the
beginning, I think it might have been this website Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Scientific Research.
It's a blog on blogspot. But they looked into the SEC files.
This is the US Securities and Exchange Commission, and they actually found some paperwork
an update on to the Stars Academy. And if we read this right,
some of the things that it says here is that doctor Gary Nolan resigned in
late August. Yeah, we were talking about him. He's the one who
analyzed these alleged alien bodies out of Peru, which of course all turned out
to be human, which we knew before, even though people like doctor Stephen
Greer claim otherwise. But doctor Greer is the one who hired this guy to
look into it, or at least partnered with him, and then was unfortunately
did not like his results because it looks alien but it's not. But the
most shocking thing in here is that it looks like, let me find the
number, but it's huge. It looks like they are in debt to the
tune of nearly forty million dollars. How could that be? Even I don't
know. Let me read this to you. So this is page thirteen,
Note two, and the title is growing concern. It says the accompanying financial
statements have been prepared on a growing concern basic, which contemplates the realization of
assets and blah blahlahlahla. Let me get to a lessen The company has incurred
losses from operations and has an accumulated deficit at June thirtieth, twenty eighteen of
thirty seven million, four hundred and thirty two thousand dollars. These factors raised
doubt about the company's ability to continue as a growing concern. I can't even
have imagine what Yeah, this is really weird. Now. There were some
other documents that came out. In one of the other documents that is in
here talks about their material studies program essentially the ADAM project, and it also
talks about another partnership they have research that they've got going on with earth Tech
International regarding beamed Energy Launch Systems program a planning project b ELS and I think
you could ask your guests this would probably be an interesting topic for Fraser about
this because this is essentially the same technology that they want to use for that.
Uri Gillner, I forget his last name. Yeah, No, the
Russian UM billionaire who started I don't know that, I know you mean to
go. Yeah, So he wanted to send all of these little micro spaceships
using a laser that pushes them these solar technology. Essentially, it's it's like
a light technology where these lasers push these objects along. So that may be
yet now. Of course, many of the members of to the Stars are
also previous members are at least with worked with Bigelow Aerospace. Bigelow Aerospace has
some huge contracts, especially with Boeing. They've partnered up with UM, They're
working with NASA, So it could be that there is a very high dollar
project that they're being farmed out to help with Biglow that could explain this,
because of course the dollars they're dealing with are huge when it comes to some
of these aerospace projects. So there could be an answer that doesn't mean that
it is what it looks like, which is at there's thirty seven million dollars
in debt and they're screwed. How could they have spent that much money.
It could be part of some work they're doing where they are planning to recover
that. It could be work with I would imagine that would be through Bigelow
because he's got, of course his ties into the space industry. Right,
that's Urie Millner as the person you're with Millner. Yeah, and it was
close. Yeah, so yeah, so speaking at Bigelow. But more along
the space is this new space race. So of course I've talked a lot
about the space race to the Moon and some of the other motivations going on
than just science. Of course, there's a lot of politics and global politics
going on there. But there are also politics going on in another really important
race, which is to get the United States back in the game of getting
humans to the International Space Station, so getting humans into space, and there's
actually two spacecraft that have been given the green light who are already scheduled to
take humans, and that is the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft and then the Bowing Starliner.
So I've got an article in Denive Geek all about these. What I
kind of did was a head to head. You know, what are the
similarities and the differences between these two and there are some really interesting things about
each. The space X Dragon, if you see the interior, looks a
lot like a Tesla car. It's very fancy, minimalistic, super futuristic with
these panels that display panels that you can fold away, and their touchscreen and
everything, so it's pretty cool. What's unique. A couple of things that
are unique about the Dragon spacecraft. One is that it has a trunk just
like your car, so it really it has a section that holds the solar
panels that also can hold a bunch more cargo, so that's going to be
really important. This is unpressurized cargo, so humans can't fit in there,
but a lot of other cargo can, which is really important. Now,
the cargo in the trunk is going for a one way trip, because this
trunk actually burns up in the atmosphere when they come back in, but anything
else they can you know, they can stuff in the capsule if there aren't
any humans for bringing back more material But that's been one benefit that the Dragon
Capsule has had. It's already been going to the iss the uncrewed version,
and it's able to bring materials back as well. Now the Dragon Capsule,
here's one big difference. It is going to use more of a traditional parachute.
Just like the Apollo program. It will fall into the ocean slowed down
by a parachute. One of the things they're working on they were hoping to
have is more of a kind of few juristic where this thing can land,
just like their Falcon rockets do, where they have a retro engines that will
slow the craft down so it can land on land. But that isn't ready,
so at least at the beginning, they're going to have these parachutes that
are going to be slowing it down getting to the Starliner. One of the
cool things about the Starliner on that front is that the Starliner is actually going
to land on the ground. It's got these giant balloons that blow up and
then allow it it's slowed down by a parachute, but these balloons allow it
to land on the balloons soft enough where they can make ground landing, So
that's going to be very important. It's going to be much easier to retrieve,
and I think it'd be really scary. It's so one of the scariest
parts I think in all the space movies when they come back and they've got
to land in the ocean, and you know, it's scary what if something
happens. And of course there was an incident where you know, it's debated
exactly what happened. I think now it's not so much, but one of
the astronauts I guess freaked out and pulled the port door open essentially and almost
drowned. When I forget the details, I'm sure Freighter would have that tasking
him with all of this stuff. But yeah, that's one cool thing about
the Starliner. The Starliner this is really interesting too. So the space tourism
is something new that starting up. The big new SpaceX made in the last
few weeks is that they're going to fly that this Japanese millionaire around the Moon.
Well, the Starliner says they're going to be doing that too. They're
going to be working with a company called Space Adventures, and Space Adventures was
renting seats from the Russians to fly people to the ISS. They did this
a few times in the nineties early two thousands, but they stopped because essentially
the US was renting all those seats, those extra seats. Well, now
what the Starliner says, Boeing says is they're going to actually rent extra seats
to potential space tourists, so they might be doing that. They're going to
be working with Space Adventures, so they may be flying, you know,
if they're flying humans up as soon as next year. They may be doing
this in the next year or two, renting out seats for people to be
able to fly up to the ISSS just like the Russians we're doing. So
that's some interesting stuff here. You could look into it more. The one
thing that makes us very pressing is that our contract with Russia to take us
to the ISS the US astronauts is expiring in April twenty nineteen, which happens
to be the same month that SpaceX will be taking the first their first crew
to the ISS. But we actually have I guess rented seats up until November
of next year with the Russians. But after that, you know, we've
got to figure out what we're going to do to get people up there,
so hopefully there will be no more delays. Boeing was their front and run
for a long time. Of course, they actually have built all of the
spacecraft that have taken humans into space from for NASA, but surprisingly they just
had some issues and SpaceX came from behind, and SpaceX is right now ahead
of their race. They most likely will be the first to you know,
be a commercial, private organization to take astronauts to the ISS. Very exciting.
Yeah, it is wow interesting. So I think it's really amazing that
there's actually gonna be passengers, you know, flying, and I wonder,
you know, what the tickets costs. It's amazing. I wonder if they're
got a double book too, you know, well, they're huge. In
fact, we've got another article, a supplemental an article coming out that I
did on space tourism, and it's part of the magazine we put together for
Dead of Geek for the New York Comic Con, which is going on something
like the end of this week I think it starts, so that will be
out soon. But I've got pricing for all of the different options out there.
But we don't know how much the Japanese gentleman that's going to be paying
to go around the Moon, but these travelers with space adventures are paying hundreds
of millions of dollars. So I mean it ain't cheat. Yeah, yeah,
rightly. So I mean it costs so much per pound just to get
out of orbit. Thanks so much, my pleasure. All right, then
I'll talk to you next week, all right, have a great show,
talk to you later, all right. Thanks. All right, So our
guest Frasier Kane contacted him. I believe Quarte a while ago. I was
so glad when he finally said that he would actually be come on the show.
First off, I remember contacting him. He said something along the line
so, no, I don't want to talk about UFOs, but I'm gonna
to talk about him for a little while. Frasier Kine, Welcome to the
show. Thank you for having me. Yes, love your your podcast,
As you probably know after I've been talking about it and your co host with
Pamela Talctor, Pamela Gay and she is such a delight, entertaining and so
much fun. And she really the thing that I like the best about your
show is that you both really explain in terms that someone like myself, when
anyone is just getting into it, can actually understand. Yeah, that's the
that's really the wonderful thing about about Astronomy Cast is Pamela knows the material so
deeply that we don't have to prepare, right, does this just have a
topic and you just go, we just have a topic and we're just following
my curiosity. I'm the four year old, like what about black holes?
And you know, and I just asked my questions and she patiently answers all
of my questions. So it's it's it's been wonderful and an absolute honor to
work. They're over these twelve years. As as you said, we just
wrapped up episode five hundred of the of the podcast and we're still going strong.
So it's amazing. And now I somehow found out about your podcast and
actually listen to the very first one and when it came out, I think
I wrote that in the email to you. I was in Counts, living
in California at the time, and it was my sign. New contacted me
and said, hey, check out this new podcast is coming out, and
so I think it was maybe either the first or second episode, but I
do remember I did listen to the first episode, so and you pretty much
stay very consistent. I know you went to you changed a little bit.
You're doing Google hangouts with a whole bunch of people at one time. I
remember that transition, and then now it's back to just you and Pamela again.
It's a really good, good show. Well, we we we switched
to doing We used to do the shows like we would record the episode over
Skype, kind of like what you're doing, but we would um you know,
it was just a utility for us to be able to record the show
and then when it was done, we would process the audio and release it
as a podcast. And then at some point, I think in like two
eleven, twenty and twelve, I had the bright idea that we should switch
to doing the show with a live show to bring in the live audience aspect
of it, and and that set us on a whole new path and we
still do it. So every episode we do is a live episode. Half
an hour of it is the two of us hanging out and doing the actual
episode, and the other half hour is us just answering questions and interacting with
the audience. And it's there is nothing like doing a live show for helping
you focusing your brain, helping you understand what you don't what you don't know
because you're you're on the spot all the time. And so I highly recommend
it for anybody who wants to create some kind of content end and wants to
take their I guess what they do to the next level. Turn it into
a live show and answer people's questions and you will be amazed at how quickly
all of the puzzle pieces fit into your into your brain. But I think
what you're probably talking about is the weekly Space Hangout. So that's a separate
show which is very similar to your news part where different Space journalists join me
and we talk about the big events of the week and and so there's sort
of two show. We do so many shows now, it's kind of hard
to keep track of them all. Yes, and you have your own YouTube
channel which is very very active and by the way, really nice production on
your videos on that too, Thank you so much. A lot of work
on that. Yeah, yeah, no, And it's it's funny. If
you go right back to the beginning, you can see our first experiments.
They were a couple of minutes long and it was me sort of slouching in
a forest, and we showed a couple of pictures. And now the new
ones are fifteen sometimes twenty minutes long, very four K video. Almost the
entire thing has just really beautiful background graphics that we're using. So so it's
in this learning prob It only took us three hundred and sixty episodes to to
learn all the little lessons that we wanted to get to where we are now,
and we're only really still a tiny piece along the journey as we learn
to make better space Gondent. Yes, well, by the way, I
do agree with you about the live show aspect. I've been doing I don't
know, maybe three years or something like that, maybe longer live shows,
and it's horrifying. But at the same time, you're right, it keeps
you sharp. And I won't go back to a recorded show now unless I
have to for some reason. You know. Yeah, there's something nice to
be able to just like record the show. It's done, no edit,
you don't have to edit it. It's just finished. You did it,
Move on right, right. So I and our conversation ahead of the show,
I mentioned to you that I wanted to discuss UFOs for a little bit
of the show, and then I have a whole bunch of space stuff I'd
like to talk about. However you want to balance it out, I'm cool
with either either top Okay, yeah, I'm a fan of I'm not I
wouldn't even call myself an amateur astronomer or anything like that. I'm just a
fan of astronomy. That's the best way i'd put it. And I'm also
I'm not a U followgist, so to speak. I'm someone that talks to
people about UFOs and gets their ideas, and that's why I have all kinds
of people on the show. I did my first UFO debate when I was
only twenty episodes in with the doctor Seth Shostak at SETI, and he really
crushed me. That was so And I'm not saying that I'm good at debating
and I'm not really looking for a debate. But I in our email exchange,
I sense that you did not think that there was anything to the UFO
topics. So I guess I'll ask you, do you think there's anything to
UFOs? No, I, And we can kind of go into it for
sure, and I can sort of explain my perspective on it. But but
do I think that the Earth is being regularly visited by aliens from another world?
No? I don't think so. Is that And and to sort of
more specifically say, it's that I am unconvinced of any of the evidence that
says that we are. That's all so, um, all right, well
there is nothing that Okay, oh go ahead, Yeah, what about people
that are really have have real credible people that have had really credible sightings that
are unexplainable and sometimes mass sightings. I mean, I could go into a
number of sightings and we're not saying that there. I'm not also jumping on
the alien bandwagon because I don't care how long anyone's been doing what I'm doing.
As far as I know, no one really knows what's going on,
but they know something's going on, and that's and that's you know, the
questions I'd like to ask you, what do you think is there something to
the sightings that the thirty thousand sightings a year or whatever it is, with
a small portion of them unexplainable. Do you think there's something too? Yeah,
I mean, I think it's important to just go back to the term,
right unidentified flying objects. So so things are unidentified and they are flying,
and they are objects. And I think it's a perfectly rational way to
describe a thing that's flying through the air that you don't know what it is.
And and so for you to then for anybody to make a to then
take that and make the leap to say that they know what it is that
is that is sort of jumping to a conclusion before you've gathered the evidence for
what it is that you found. And the most fundamental question, the deepest,
most important question that we can ask ourselves as human beings, as as
sentient creatures here in this tiny rock floating in the middle of this vast cosmos,
is are we alone? Right? It is the most it is the
most important question that we can possibly ask, And it's it's definitely not an
understatement to say that I've dedicated my life to helping in that search, to
helping to communicate that search, to help people sort of come to grips with
the wonder and scale of this search for life in the universe. I would
say probably a third or a quarter of the episodes that I do on my
YouTube channel are in some way connected to this topic. So there is,
in my mind, no more important question that you can possibly ask. It
fascinates me. It The paradox of why we don't have evidence for aliens haunts
me. You always go back to that Arthur C. Clark question, like
either the universe is that we're alone in the universe or come yeah, yeah,
and both right, Like, if we're alone, that's weird because the
universe is big, and it's old, and life on Earth form the moment
that it could have, and there's no reason under the laws of physics why
aliens, Why there shouldn't be a way that a technological civilization should be able
to travel from world to world. Those all seem like they're givens. And
yet where is the you know, but then where is the evidence? And
so just to finish this up, and so I feel like with a question
that's that important, that that is that that fundamental, where the ramifications of
the answer would have would have implications to every part of our society, you
just want you want to be sure. You want to feel like the evidence
that has been gathered really supports the conclusion that it turns out we're not alone
in the universe. And so so people always ask me, like, do
I believe in aliens? And my answer is always just like, I'm unconvinced
by the evidence that has been provided so far. I absolutely believe that there
are things that are unidentified and then they are flying and they or objects,
but I don't have a way to see what they are and and and I
don't believe that any that any of the evidence that has been provided so far
indicates that they're aliens. The aliens, well, I'll agree with you on
that because I also say, you know, I've said a number of times
on this show that if someone tells you they know exactly what these things are,
then run because no one really knows. And the reason if it does
boil down to evidence, we don't really know for sure. But I do
believe I have an open mind in the topic, of course, because I
had I had a UFO setting that I absolutely could not explain what it was.
And it's no technology that I don't think we've ever had the technology that
I saw, and I do want to talk a little bit about that too.
But so I think my personal view is that it is it's possible that
we are being visited by alien intelligence and so and the reason I think it's
possible as a number of reasons. First of all, we're a very young
civilization compared to what could be out there. I mean, we're a young
solar system, and on and on. And if you think about if someone
one hundred and fifty years ago, if you handed the Milwaukee talkie today's Waukie
talkie, you know, they wouldn't understand it. You know, perhaps an
intelligence out there has and I think you kind of alluded to this, has
learned how to travel the stars, has learned the physics of how to do
it. What other it'spending spacetime or whatever it is. So it is possible
that we could be being visited. Otherwise we have to come up with what
else, you know, what other thoughts could it be? Could it be
interdimensional? There's people that think it could be that, or time travel or
you know, all kinds of things. But there's definitely something weird going on,
and have you have you I'm not sure that there's anything weird going on,
but so so you know, we can we can have a conversation about
that. But um, but it's like and and so that's all. Really,
it's just like, what does it take to convince you. Right,
So, so if you if if you show me a box and the box
is closed, and you say, what's in the box? My answers,
I don't know. Right. I can make some guesses about the size of
things that could be in there, but really, at the end, the
answer is I don't know. And until I can open the box and look
inside and study, then I can make some conclusions. And so I feel
like the only honest answer to say is I don't know, and then I
let the evidence convince me either way. Right, So if if, if
something can be provided that is compelling evidence, and I will change my position
and heartbeat. Right, you have experienced or you believe or that you have
seen something that you know that you couldn't explain, but but you can't make
the leap or I don't think it's the right thing to make the leap to.
Then then you know what it is, because then that closes you down
to the possibilities for what it could be. And so it's sort of more
like for now, you're like, I saw something super weird and I don't
know what it was, and until I have some way of knowing, that
trail ends there for now, and then hopefully later on, something, some
new piece of information is going to come your way. Someone's gonna go oh,
it turns out there was a flight that was going here. It was
a new stealth bomber that was being tested by the Air Force. And they've
written you a personal letter and they've apologized for freaking you out, and here's
all the evidence. You're like, oh, okay, new stealth aircraft got
it. Okay, evidence supplied, and now I'm convinced. But until then
it has to remain in the in the I don't know category. Right?
Have you heard of the USS Nimmits case in two thousand and four? There
was a lot to talk about it that was you know, the Navy was
involved, and um, there was there was some filming. How about did
you happen to pay attention when the story came out December sixteenth last year about
the Pentagon's search for UFOs. I'd heard a bit about this, yeah,
and you know, I didn't look too deeply into it because it looked to
me like a lot of blobs moving on a TV screen. So in the
particular that particular video about faith, just the fact that they were looking into
the and to the topic alone. Yeah, they actually admitted well, and
you can see why they would right. Like, like again, the existence
of aliens capable of traveling from world to world means someone essentially is technologically way
beyond anything that we can possibly comprehend. It would be a serious threat to
Earth and to the existing um nations and all of that, right, it
would be a It would be an existential threat. So only makes sense to
have a look around to just see if you can understand what's going on there
and then gather any evidence that you can find. That's right. So let's
see. I think it was called something like the Advanced Aerospace Threat Investigation Program.
I believe that's what they called that. So I had threat right in
the work, you know, right in the title movie, which yeah,
does make total sense. All right, everyone, that's it for the free
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much for listening. Next week we have Paul Stark. He's a producer I
believe director as well of the Vatican in UFOs and I want to thank everyone
that helped out with the show. I also want to thank Alejandro Rojas and
on Open Minds he joins us most weeks. And I want to thank our
guest Frasier Kane and you can see his information if you google him. It's
f A I'm sorry, f R A s E R. And his last
name is c A I N. He's got a great YouTube channel. He
also is on Astronomy Cast, a great podcast I've listened to for years.
And anyway, that's it for the show. I want to thank you the
listener, and we'll be back next week. Keep your eyes to the sky.