1 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,440 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,439 we have an exciting show for you tonight. I'm a fan of the person 3 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:41,159 we have on, Frasier Kine from the publisher of Universe Today, and also 4 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:46,799 a podcast that I started listening to when it very first started and on and 5 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,520 off many times over. I think it's been thirteen years or something like that. 6 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,240 They're already up to episode five hundred and that's called Astronomy Cast. And 7 00:00:55,679 --> 00:01:00,520 I love the show. And so anyway, I was really happy that now 8 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,319 Frasier is not someone that is really down with UFOs. We will discuss it 9 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,599 and get will get his opinion, and I promise you won't be violent or 10 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,680 anything. We may have a couple of semisoft debates about the topic and we'll 11 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:18,319 see where it goes from there. And then we're gonna be talking a lot 12 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:22,959 of space and all that stuff later on in the show, toward after the 13 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,920 first hour, we will take calls anyone would like to call in and ask 14 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,120 questions, and you know, the host some questions or whatever. We will 15 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:34,439 go from there. So I want to thank everyone that supports the show. 16 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,879 Anyone can do that. You can find that info on podcast ufo dot com 17 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:45,760 and generally we are live on KGr A Radio. And so, first of 18 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,920 all, the producer Race Hobbs is stuck somewhere in a canyon. He was 19 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,480 I think he was actually in a tunnel. People are trying to turn around 20 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,680 and it was a big mess. And so his fill in guy sent me 21 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,040 his radar picture. There's tornadoes all in his area. So they're just popping 22 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:07,719 on a replay over there. So I apologize for your regular I don't even 23 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:10,520 know how to get to you people over at KGr A Radio. Hopefully they'll 24 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,199 wander over to the YouTube channel over my website and see the show. Alejandro, 25 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:19,960 welcome to the show. Are you I'm doing well? How are you 26 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:24,840 doing? Betty? Doing just great? Doing great? It's raining and pouring. 27 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,719 It's it's rain and pouring, I guess the same thing. But it's 28 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:36,479 cold, Chili. We're getting the the winter chill already here in h October. 29 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:42,000 It's raining here and it's it's cold. For Arizona. It's probably it's 30 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:46,199 probably still in the seventies or eighties, but for Arizona that's very cold. 31 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:51,319 Yeah, I know, And well you need the rain, right, yeah, 32 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,879 we've got it. Yeah, so we've got a lot of rain going 33 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,879 on, but yeah, we do need it. Yeah. So well that's 34 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,560 good. Um, yeah, I heard the whole of Southwest is going to 35 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:06,360 get quite a delush out there. And so what's going on in the UFO 36 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:09,280 etc. World. Yeah, So I've got three stories I would like to 37 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:15,120 cover two UFOs, and in celebration of your guests today or just because I 38 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:19,360 love space, I've got a space one two my own space story. So 39 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,080 to begin this, I'm not sure if this is even a new story, 40 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:29,319 but it's someone something, someone posted in the Open Mind UFO news group and 41 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,360 this is from casino dot org and they actually have a UFO site. It's 42 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,120 pretty cool where they've got a lot of information, some stats and everything regarding 43 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:42,479 UFOs. And of course up top what do they have. They've got the 44 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,960 odds of seeing a UFO. So according to Las Vegas, essentially it's it 45 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,199 looks like if I'm reading this, it's a plus one one hundred and twenty 46 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,680 four thousand and seven hundred, which I think means one thousand, two hundred 47 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,360 and forty seven to one odds that you'll see a UFO. They list that's 48 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:09,120 not that bad. Yeah, and well that's just Alabama, looks like. 49 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,039 So they've got everything for every different state. Let's see, we'll just look 50 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,800 up a couple in Maine. It's a lot better. It's three hundred and 51 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:19,600 seventy to one. That's because it's only three hundred and seventy people in Maine, 52 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,839 I think. Yeah. And then let's check Arizona. Really, wow, 53 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:29,040 the odds are really I think their numbers are way off according to I'm 54 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,480 sure they didn't use like population and stuff like that, but Arizona they have 55 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:38,360 it at something like nearly two thousand to one odds, so very high, 56 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:43,560 which is kind of weird. But there's a lot more information about history of 57 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,759 UFO sidings, including a timeline that's interactive where you can click and look at 58 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:51,160 different sidings. It also has a few facts and here they are. These 59 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:56,639 are interesting. You're most likely to see a UFO in Wyoming. According to 60 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,680 them. Florida is a state with the lowest odds of seeing a UFO, 61 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,199 which is according to them, which is completely different than any statistics averson. 62 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,800 So I don't know where they're getting their numbers. And then it says, 63 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:15,439 oh yeah, yep, over forty thousand Americans have taken out alien abduction insurance. 64 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Boy, I didn't see that coming. Boy. Yeah, how weird 65 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,480 is that? Yeah, so they've got a lot of starting a comeback. 66 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,360 I'm not sure where they get their numbers. I would argue their numbers, 67 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:31,040 but it is pretty interesting, can you before you go on there? So 68 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:35,720 if you do happen to get abducted, how do you collect your you know, 69 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:40,079 I don't know, you know, I've heard of this before, actually, 70 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,439 this alien abduction insurance, because you can get insurance pretty much for everything. 71 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:48,319 And yeah, yeah, exactly, and I think this is a Lloyd's 72 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:51,800 product as well, So you'd have to look that up if you're looking to 73 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,959 get alien abduction insurance. Although you know, I'm sure as we know, 74 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:03,759 especially that many of those forty thousand, probably the majority, probably really genuinely 75 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:08,639 believe that, you know, they may be abducted or have been before, 76 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:13,519 so who knows. Yeah, I would really love to see that policy. 77 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Yeah, really interesting. But the interface in the graphics, you can tell 78 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:20,759 that this they spent a lot of time on this site and it's really really 79 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,480 cool. In fact, there's a little map and when you click on your 80 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,240 country or where you are your state. I mean this little UFO flies above 81 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,319 it and being this little light down. So the graphics are really cool. 82 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:42,160 It's a really cool site. Interesting something to check out. So a couple 83 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,000 other pieces of news, So you and I talked at length about this on 84 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:51,600 my podcast, But to the Stars Academy has come out with an article recently 85 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:59,160 about some alleged anomalous materials that they have are examining. You know, I 86 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,199 complained to lot about how they wrote this article and how it came about. 87 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:08,600 But the point is what's interesting, of course, is they have this project 88 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:15,160 where they're taking what people are claiming to be mysterious material and they're actually looking 89 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,199 into it. It appears that the material they're looking into right now are what 90 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:24,519 are known as arts parts. So it's something art Bell got and we're deducing 91 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:30,560 this because the article said it had similar elements magnesium, zinc, bismuth that 92 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,120 we're claimed in small layers, just like we're claimed that we're to be part 93 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,480 of these arts parts. And the story and here was my big, big 94 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,360 complaint. The article referred to this material and that it has been out there 95 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,800 for decades. If it is arts parts, which I'm sure it is. 96 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,120 They really, I feel, should have done a whole history of the material. 97 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:55,720 You know how it was anonymously sent to art Bell, so we have 98 00:07:55,759 --> 00:08:00,279 a full story of what the heck this stuff is. I hope that it 99 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,759 was just an oversight, because it's kind of deceptive not to give history, 100 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,040 even if it hurts the credibility. I mean, because that history is going 101 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:13,839 to come out regardless, so we should know either way. But there's another 102 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:18,839 development. So researchers have found and I'm not sure who found this in the 103 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,600 beginning, I think it might have been this website Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Scientific Research. 104 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:33,000 It's a blog on blogspot. But they looked into the SEC files. 105 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:39,840 This is the US Securities and Exchange Commission, and they actually found some paperwork 106 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:45,399 an update on to the Stars Academy. And if we read this right, 107 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:52,080 some of the things that it says here is that doctor Gary Nolan resigned in 108 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,120 late August. Yeah, we were talking about him. He's the one who 109 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,919 analyzed these alleged alien bodies out of Peru, which of course all turned out 110 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,600 to be human, which we knew before, even though people like doctor Stephen 111 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:11,039 Greer claim otherwise. But doctor Greer is the one who hired this guy to 112 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,279 look into it, or at least partnered with him, and then was unfortunately 113 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:22,559 did not like his results because it looks alien but it's not. But the 114 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,960 most shocking thing in here is that it looks like, let me find the 115 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:33,919 number, but it's huge. It looks like they are in debt to the 116 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,679 tune of nearly forty million dollars. How could that be? Even I don't 117 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,799 know. Let me read this to you. So this is page thirteen, 118 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:50,360 Note two, and the title is growing concern. It says the accompanying financial 119 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:56,039 statements have been prepared on a growing concern basic, which contemplates the realization of 120 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,879 assets and blah blahlahlahla. Let me get to a lessen The company has incurred 121 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:07,320 losses from operations and has an accumulated deficit at June thirtieth, twenty eighteen of 122 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:13,279 thirty seven million, four hundred and thirty two thousand dollars. These factors raised 123 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,919 doubt about the company's ability to continue as a growing concern. I can't even 124 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:26,519 have imagine what Yeah, this is really weird. Now. There were some 125 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:30,519 other documents that came out. In one of the other documents that is in 126 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:37,320 here talks about their material studies program essentially the ADAM project, and it also 127 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:43,279 talks about another partnership they have research that they've got going on with earth Tech 128 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:52,240 International regarding beamed Energy Launch Systems program a planning project b ELS and I think 129 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:56,000 you could ask your guests this would probably be an interesting topic for Fraser about 130 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:03,360 this because this is essentially the same technology that they want to use for that. 131 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Uri Gillner, I forget his last name. Yeah, No, the 132 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,639 Russian UM billionaire who started I don't know that, I know you mean to 133 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,399 go. Yeah, So he wanted to send all of these little micro spaceships 134 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,240 using a laser that pushes them these solar technology. Essentially, it's it's like 135 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,039 a light technology where these lasers push these objects along. So that may be 136 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,159 yet now. Of course, many of the members of to the Stars are 137 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:43,559 also previous members are at least with worked with Bigelow Aerospace. Bigelow Aerospace has 138 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,679 some huge contracts, especially with Boeing. They've partnered up with UM, They're 139 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,600 working with NASA, So it could be that there is a very high dollar 140 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,600 project that they're being farmed out to help with Biglow that could explain this, 141 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,960 because of course the dollars they're dealing with are huge when it comes to some 142 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:09,120 of these aerospace projects. So there could be an answer that doesn't mean that 143 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,399 it is what it looks like, which is at there's thirty seven million dollars 144 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,000 in debt and they're screwed. How could they have spent that much money. 145 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,440 It could be part of some work they're doing where they are planning to recover 146 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,519 that. It could be work with I would imagine that would be through Bigelow 147 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:30,080 because he's got, of course his ties into the space industry. Right, 148 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,440 that's Urie Millner as the person you're with Millner. Yeah, and it was 149 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:39,320 close. Yeah, so yeah, so speaking at Bigelow. But more along 150 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,960 the space is this new space race. So of course I've talked a lot 151 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,639 about the space race to the Moon and some of the other motivations going on 152 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,080 than just science. Of course, there's a lot of politics and global politics 153 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:56,200 going on there. But there are also politics going on in another really important 154 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,840 race, which is to get the United States back in the game of getting 155 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,360 humans to the International Space Station, so getting humans into space, and there's 156 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,679 actually two spacecraft that have been given the green light who are already scheduled to 157 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:18,679 take humans, and that is the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft and then the Bowing Starliner. 158 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:22,200 So I've got an article in Denive Geek all about these. What I 159 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,919 kind of did was a head to head. You know, what are the 160 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,240 similarities and the differences between these two and there are some really interesting things about 161 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,799 each. The space X Dragon, if you see the interior, looks a 162 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:43,240 lot like a Tesla car. It's very fancy, minimalistic, super futuristic with 163 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:48,559 these panels that display panels that you can fold away, and their touchscreen and 164 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,639 everything, so it's pretty cool. What's unique. A couple of things that 165 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,919 are unique about the Dragon spacecraft. One is that it has a trunk just 166 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,559 like your car, so it really it has a section that holds the solar 167 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:09,840 panels that also can hold a bunch more cargo, so that's going to be 168 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,399 really important. This is unpressurized cargo, so humans can't fit in there, 169 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,720 but a lot of other cargo can, which is really important. Now, 170 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:20,159 the cargo in the trunk is going for a one way trip, because this 171 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:26,039 trunk actually burns up in the atmosphere when they come back in, but anything 172 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,080 else they can you know, they can stuff in the capsule if there aren't 173 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,759 any humans for bringing back more material But that's been one benefit that the Dragon 174 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:37,440 Capsule has had. It's already been going to the iss the uncrewed version, 175 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:45,000 and it's able to bring materials back as well. Now the Dragon Capsule, 176 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,720 here's one big difference. It is going to use more of a traditional parachute. 177 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,440 Just like the Apollo program. It will fall into the ocean slowed down 178 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,200 by a parachute. One of the things they're working on they were hoping to 179 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,080 have is more of a kind of few juristic where this thing can land, 180 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:07,440 just like their Falcon rockets do, where they have a retro engines that will 181 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:11,399 slow the craft down so it can land on land. But that isn't ready, 182 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,399 so at least at the beginning, they're going to have these parachutes that 183 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,480 are going to be slowing it down getting to the Starliner. One of the 184 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,039 cool things about the Starliner on that front is that the Starliner is actually going 185 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,240 to land on the ground. It's got these giant balloons that blow up and 186 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,159 then allow it it's slowed down by a parachute, but these balloons allow it 187 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,840 to land on the balloons soft enough where they can make ground landing, So 188 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,240 that's going to be very important. It's going to be much easier to retrieve, 189 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,399 and I think it'd be really scary. It's so one of the scariest 190 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,879 parts I think in all the space movies when they come back and they've got 191 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,919 to land in the ocean, and you know, it's scary what if something 192 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,879 happens. And of course there was an incident where you know, it's debated 193 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,080 exactly what happened. I think now it's not so much, but one of 194 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:07,200 the astronauts I guess freaked out and pulled the port door open essentially and almost 195 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:12,440 drowned. When I forget the details, I'm sure Freighter would have that tasking 196 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:17,720 him with all of this stuff. But yeah, that's one cool thing about 197 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:23,399 the Starliner. The Starliner this is really interesting too. So the space tourism 198 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,840 is something new that starting up. The big new SpaceX made in the last 199 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:32,600 few weeks is that they're going to fly that this Japanese millionaire around the Moon. 200 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,480 Well, the Starliner says they're going to be doing that too. They're 201 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,039 going to be working with a company called Space Adventures, and Space Adventures was 202 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:45,639 renting seats from the Russians to fly people to the ISS. They did this 203 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,360 a few times in the nineties early two thousands, but they stopped because essentially 204 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:55,559 the US was renting all those seats, those extra seats. Well, now 205 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,960 what the Starliner says, Boeing says is they're going to actually rent extra seats 206 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:03,839 to potential space tourists, so they might be doing that. They're going to 207 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:07,000 be working with Space Adventures, so they may be flying, you know, 208 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,640 if they're flying humans up as soon as next year. They may be doing 209 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,319 this in the next year or two, renting out seats for people to be 210 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,880 able to fly up to the ISSS just like the Russians we're doing. So 211 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,279 that's some interesting stuff here. You could look into it more. The one 212 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:30,200 thing that makes us very pressing is that our contract with Russia to take us 213 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,920 to the ISS the US astronauts is expiring in April twenty nineteen, which happens 214 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:41,279 to be the same month that SpaceX will be taking the first their first crew 215 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:48,240 to the ISS. But we actually have I guess rented seats up until November 216 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,079 of next year with the Russians. But after that, you know, we've 217 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,319 got to figure out what we're going to do to get people up there, 218 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:59,920 so hopefully there will be no more delays. Boeing was their front and run 219 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,359 for a long time. Of course, they actually have built all of the 220 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:11,079 spacecraft that have taken humans into space from for NASA, but surprisingly they just 221 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:17,880 had some issues and SpaceX came from behind, and SpaceX is right now ahead 222 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,519 of their race. They most likely will be the first to you know, 223 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,279 be a commercial, private organization to take astronauts to the ISS. Very exciting. 224 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,559 Yeah, it is wow interesting. So I think it's really amazing that 225 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,039 there's actually gonna be passengers, you know, flying, and I wonder, 226 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,039 you know, what the tickets costs. It's amazing. I wonder if they're 227 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:41,519 got a double book too, you know, well, they're huge. In 228 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:47,240 fact, we've got another article, a supplemental an article coming out that I 229 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,680 did on space tourism, and it's part of the magazine we put together for 230 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,519 Dead of Geek for the New York Comic Con, which is going on something 231 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,880 like the end of this week I think it starts, so that will be 232 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,359 out soon. But I've got pricing for all of the different options out there. 233 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:10,160 But we don't know how much the Japanese gentleman that's going to be paying 234 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:17,039 to go around the Moon, but these travelers with space adventures are paying hundreds 235 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,559 of millions of dollars. So I mean it ain't cheat. Yeah, yeah, 236 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,480 rightly. So I mean it costs so much per pound just to get 237 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:29,920 out of orbit. Thanks so much, my pleasure. All right, then 238 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,400 I'll talk to you next week, all right, have a great show, 239 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,480 talk to you later, all right. Thanks. All right, So our 240 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:40,079 guest Frasier Kane contacted him. I believe Quarte a while ago. I was 241 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,400 so glad when he finally said that he would actually be come on the show. 242 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:48,720 First off, I remember contacting him. He said something along the line 243 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:52,359 so, no, I don't want to talk about UFOs, but I'm gonna 244 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:55,720 to talk about him for a little while. Frasier Kine, Welcome to the 245 00:19:55,759 --> 00:20:00,839 show. Thank you for having me. Yes, love your your podcast, 246 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:06,359 As you probably know after I've been talking about it and your co host with 247 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,359 Pamela Talctor, Pamela Gay and she is such a delight, entertaining and so 248 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,960 much fun. And she really the thing that I like the best about your 249 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,759 show is that you both really explain in terms that someone like myself, when 250 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:26,400 anyone is just getting into it, can actually understand. Yeah, that's the 251 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:33,799 that's really the wonderful thing about about Astronomy Cast is Pamela knows the material so 252 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,960 deeply that we don't have to prepare, right, does this just have a 253 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,559 topic and you just go, we just have a topic and we're just following 254 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,880 my curiosity. I'm the four year old, like what about black holes? 255 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,039 And you know, and I just asked my questions and she patiently answers all 256 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:59,640 of my questions. So it's it's it's been wonderful and an absolute honor to 257 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,240 work. They're over these twelve years. As as you said, we just 258 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:08,319 wrapped up episode five hundred of the of the podcast and we're still going strong. 259 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:12,759 So it's amazing. And now I somehow found out about your podcast and 260 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,200 actually listen to the very first one and when it came out, I think 261 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,319 I wrote that in the email to you. I was in Counts, living 262 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:22,200 in California at the time, and it was my sign. New contacted me 263 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,000 and said, hey, check out this new podcast is coming out, and 264 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,119 so I think it was maybe either the first or second episode, but I 265 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,920 do remember I did listen to the first episode, so and you pretty much 266 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,640 stay very consistent. I know you went to you changed a little bit. 267 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,680 You're doing Google hangouts with a whole bunch of people at one time. I 268 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,920 remember that transition, and then now it's back to just you and Pamela again. 269 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,720 It's a really good, good show. Well, we we we switched 270 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:55,680 to doing We used to do the shows like we would record the episode over 271 00:21:55,799 --> 00:22:00,480 Skype, kind of like what you're doing, but we would um you know, 272 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,119 it was just a utility for us to be able to record the show 273 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,960 and then when it was done, we would process the audio and release it 274 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,400 as a podcast. And then at some point, I think in like two 275 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,079 eleven, twenty and twelve, I had the bright idea that we should switch 276 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:21,240 to doing the show with a live show to bring in the live audience aspect 277 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,160 of it, and and that set us on a whole new path and we 278 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,759 still do it. So every episode we do is a live episode. Half 279 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,759 an hour of it is the two of us hanging out and doing the actual 280 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,279 episode, and the other half hour is us just answering questions and interacting with 281 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,960 the audience. And it's there is nothing like doing a live show for helping 282 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:47,920 you focusing your brain, helping you understand what you don't what you don't know 283 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:51,680 because you're you're on the spot all the time. And so I highly recommend 284 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,640 it for anybody who wants to create some kind of content end and wants to 285 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,920 take their I guess what they do to the next level. Turn it into 286 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,079 a live show and answer people's questions and you will be amazed at how quickly 287 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:10,920 all of the puzzle pieces fit into your into your brain. But I think 288 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,079 what you're probably talking about is the weekly Space Hangout. So that's a separate 289 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,359 show which is very similar to your news part where different Space journalists join me 290 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,039 and we talk about the big events of the week and and so there's sort 291 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,279 of two show. We do so many shows now, it's kind of hard 292 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,440 to keep track of them all. Yes, and you have your own YouTube 293 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:32,720 channel which is very very active and by the way, really nice production on 294 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,240 your videos on that too, Thank you so much. A lot of work 295 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:38,400 on that. Yeah, yeah, no, And it's it's funny. If 296 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,160 you go right back to the beginning, you can see our first experiments. 297 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,359 They were a couple of minutes long and it was me sort of slouching in 298 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,279 a forest, and we showed a couple of pictures. And now the new 299 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:55,759 ones are fifteen sometimes twenty minutes long, very four K video. Almost the 300 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,759 entire thing has just really beautiful background graphics that we're using. So so it's 301 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,759 in this learning prob It only took us three hundred and sixty episodes to to 302 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,039 learn all the little lessons that we wanted to get to where we are now, 303 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:14,119 and we're only really still a tiny piece along the journey as we learn 304 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,440 to make better space Gondent. Yes, well, by the way, I 305 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,440 do agree with you about the live show aspect. I've been doing I don't 306 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,319 know, maybe three years or something like that, maybe longer live shows, 307 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,599 and it's horrifying. But at the same time, you're right, it keeps 308 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,759 you sharp. And I won't go back to a recorded show now unless I 309 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,680 have to for some reason. You know. Yeah, there's something nice to 310 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:38,440 be able to just like record the show. It's done, no edit, 311 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,440 you don't have to edit it. It's just finished. You did it, 312 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:48,160 Move on right, right. So I and our conversation ahead of the show, 313 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,799 I mentioned to you that I wanted to discuss UFOs for a little bit 314 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,599 of the show, and then I have a whole bunch of space stuff I'd 315 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,799 like to talk about. However you want to balance it out, I'm cool 316 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,039 with either either top Okay, yeah, I'm a fan of I'm not I 317 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:07,759 wouldn't even call myself an amateur astronomer or anything like that. I'm just a 318 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,200 fan of astronomy. That's the best way i'd put it. And I'm also 319 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,720 I'm not a U followgist, so to speak. I'm someone that talks to 320 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,160 people about UFOs and gets their ideas, and that's why I have all kinds 321 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,000 of people on the show. I did my first UFO debate when I was 322 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:30,319 only twenty episodes in with the doctor Seth Shostak at SETI, and he really 323 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,960 crushed me. That was so And I'm not saying that I'm good at debating 324 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,039 and I'm not really looking for a debate. But I in our email exchange, 325 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:45,559 I sense that you did not think that there was anything to the UFO 326 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,839 topics. So I guess I'll ask you, do you think there's anything to 327 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:55,039 UFOs? No, I, And we can kind of go into it for 328 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,599 sure, and I can sort of explain my perspective on it. But but 329 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,519 do I think that the Earth is being regularly visited by aliens from another world? 330 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,480 No? I don't think so. Is that And and to sort of 331 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:14,960 more specifically say, it's that I am unconvinced of any of the evidence that 332 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,559 says that we are. That's all so, um, all right, well 333 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:23,279 there is nothing that Okay, oh go ahead, Yeah, what about people 334 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:30,440 that are really have have real credible people that have had really credible sightings that 335 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:33,960 are unexplainable and sometimes mass sightings. I mean, I could go into a 336 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,319 number of sightings and we're not saying that there. I'm not also jumping on 337 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,839 the alien bandwagon because I don't care how long anyone's been doing what I'm doing. 338 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,960 As far as I know, no one really knows what's going on, 339 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,559 but they know something's going on, and that's and that's you know, the 340 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,599 questions I'd like to ask you, what do you think is there something to 341 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,799 the sightings that the thirty thousand sightings a year or whatever it is, with 342 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,240 a small portion of them unexplainable. Do you think there's something too? Yeah, 343 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,440 I mean, I think it's important to just go back to the term, 344 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:08,599 right unidentified flying objects. So so things are unidentified and they are flying, 345 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,440 and they are objects. And I think it's a perfectly rational way to 346 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,599 describe a thing that's flying through the air that you don't know what it is. 347 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:22,880 And and so for you to then for anybody to make a to then 348 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,359 take that and make the leap to say that they know what it is that 349 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,960 is that is sort of jumping to a conclusion before you've gathered the evidence for 350 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,400 what it is that you found. And the most fundamental question, the deepest, 351 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:44,359 most important question that we can ask ourselves as human beings, as as 352 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,240 sentient creatures here in this tiny rock floating in the middle of this vast cosmos, 353 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,200 is are we alone? Right? It is the most it is the 354 00:27:53,279 --> 00:28:00,839 most important question that we can possibly ask, And it's it's definitely not an 355 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,960 understatement to say that I've dedicated my life to helping in that search, to 356 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,279 helping to communicate that search, to help people sort of come to grips with 357 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:19,039 the wonder and scale of this search for life in the universe. I would 358 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:23,279 say probably a third or a quarter of the episodes that I do on my 359 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:30,279 YouTube channel are in some way connected to this topic. So there is, 360 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,519 in my mind, no more important question that you can possibly ask. It 361 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:42,279 fascinates me. It The paradox of why we don't have evidence for aliens haunts 362 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,759 me. You always go back to that Arthur C. Clark question, like 363 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:51,880 either the universe is that we're alone in the universe or come yeah, yeah, 364 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,640 and both right, Like, if we're alone, that's weird because the 365 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,160 universe is big, and it's old, and life on Earth form the moment 366 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,400 that it could have, and there's no reason under the laws of physics why 367 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,680 aliens, Why there shouldn't be a way that a technological civilization should be able 368 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:17,119 to travel from world to world. Those all seem like they're givens. And 369 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,200 yet where is the you know, but then where is the evidence? And 370 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:23,119 so just to finish this up, and so I feel like with a question 371 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:29,680 that's that important, that that is that that fundamental, where the ramifications of 372 00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:34,599 the answer would have would have implications to every part of our society, you 373 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,839 just want you want to be sure. You want to feel like the evidence 374 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,279 that has been gathered really supports the conclusion that it turns out we're not alone 375 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:48,799 in the universe. And so so people always ask me, like, do 376 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,960 I believe in aliens? And my answer is always just like, I'm unconvinced 377 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,920 by the evidence that has been provided so far. I absolutely believe that there 378 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,599 are things that are unidentified and then they are flying and they or objects, 379 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:04,960 but I don't have a way to see what they are and and and I 380 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,319 don't believe that any that any of the evidence that has been provided so far 381 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:15,240 indicates that they're aliens. The aliens, well, I'll agree with you on 382 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,240 that because I also say, you know, I've said a number of times 383 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,480 on this show that if someone tells you they know exactly what these things are, 384 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,960 then run because no one really knows. And the reason if it does 385 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,000 boil down to evidence, we don't really know for sure. But I do 386 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,200 believe I have an open mind in the topic, of course, because I 387 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,000 had I had a UFO setting that I absolutely could not explain what it was. 388 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:47,000 And it's no technology that I don't think we've ever had the technology that 389 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,880 I saw, and I do want to talk a little bit about that too. 390 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:57,279 But so I think my personal view is that it is it's possible that 391 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:03,359 we are being visited by alien intelligence and so and the reason I think it's 392 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,920 possible as a number of reasons. First of all, we're a very young 393 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,079 civilization compared to what could be out there. I mean, we're a young 394 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,559 solar system, and on and on. And if you think about if someone 395 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:21,079 one hundred and fifty years ago, if you handed the Milwaukee talkie today's Waukie 396 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,440 talkie, you know, they wouldn't understand it. You know, perhaps an 397 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,759 intelligence out there has and I think you kind of alluded to this, has 398 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,160 learned how to travel the stars, has learned the physics of how to do 399 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,880 it. What other it'spending spacetime or whatever it is. So it is possible 400 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,319 that we could be being visited. Otherwise we have to come up with what 401 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,240 else, you know, what other thoughts could it be? Could it be 402 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,960 interdimensional? There's people that think it could be that, or time travel or 403 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,519 you know, all kinds of things. But there's definitely something weird going on, 404 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,359 and have you have you I'm not sure that there's anything weird going on, 405 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:02,799 but so so you know, we can we can have a conversation about 406 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,680 that. But um, but it's like and and so that's all. Really, 407 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:08,799 it's just like, what does it take to convince you. Right, 408 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,599 So, so if you if if you show me a box and the box 409 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:21,039 is closed, and you say, what's in the box? My answers, 410 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,640 I don't know. Right. I can make some guesses about the size of 411 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,599 things that could be in there, but really, at the end, the 412 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,279 answer is I don't know. And until I can open the box and look 413 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,480 inside and study, then I can make some conclusions. And so I feel 414 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,240 like the only honest answer to say is I don't know, and then I 415 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,480 let the evidence convince me either way. Right, So if if, if 416 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,480 something can be provided that is compelling evidence, and I will change my position 417 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:52,519 and heartbeat. Right, you have experienced or you believe or that you have 418 00:32:52,680 --> 00:33:00,720 seen something that you know that you couldn't explain, but but you can't make 419 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,200 the leap or I don't think it's the right thing to make the leap to. 420 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Then then you know what it is, because then that closes you down 421 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:13,000 to the possibilities for what it could be. And so it's sort of more 422 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,960 like for now, you're like, I saw something super weird and I don't 423 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,599 know what it was, and until I have some way of knowing, that 424 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,799 trail ends there for now, and then hopefully later on, something, some 425 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,279 new piece of information is going to come your way. Someone's gonna go oh, 426 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,319 it turns out there was a flight that was going here. It was 427 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:37,319 a new stealth bomber that was being tested by the Air Force. And they've 428 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,799 written you a personal letter and they've apologized for freaking you out, and here's 429 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,000 all the evidence. You're like, oh, okay, new stealth aircraft got 430 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,200 it. Okay, evidence supplied, and now I'm convinced. But until then 431 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,279 it has to remain in the in the I don't know category. Right? 432 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:58,640 Have you heard of the USS Nimmits case in two thousand and four? There 433 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,480 was a lot to talk about it that was you know, the Navy was 434 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:07,799 involved, and um, there was there was some filming. How about did 435 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,920 you happen to pay attention when the story came out December sixteenth last year about 436 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,360 the Pentagon's search for UFOs. I'd heard a bit about this, yeah, 437 00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:20,800 and you know, I didn't look too deeply into it because it looked to 438 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,480 me like a lot of blobs moving on a TV screen. So in the 439 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:29,960 particular that particular video about faith, just the fact that they were looking into 440 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,559 the and to the topic alone. Yeah, they actually admitted well, and 441 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,079 you can see why they would right. Like, like again, the existence 442 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:46,360 of aliens capable of traveling from world to world means someone essentially is technologically way 443 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,159 beyond anything that we can possibly comprehend. It would be a serious threat to 444 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,800 Earth and to the existing um nations and all of that, right, it 445 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,039 would be a It would be an existential threat. So only makes sense to 446 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,760 have a look around to just see if you can understand what's going on there 447 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,840 and then gather any evidence that you can find. That's right. So let's 448 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:17,199 see. I think it was called something like the Advanced Aerospace Threat Investigation Program. 449 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,119 I believe that's what they called that. So I had threat right in 450 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,440 the work, you know, right in the title movie, which yeah, 451 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:29,079 does make total sense. All right, everyone, that's it for the free 452 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,960 part of the show. Anyone can support the show for only two dollars or 453 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:37,079 more a month and all that informations on podcast UFO dot com. Thanks so 454 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,039 much for listening. Next week we have Paul Stark. He's a producer I 455 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:47,159 believe director as well of the Vatican in UFOs and I want to thank everyone 456 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,599 that helped out with the show. I also want to thank Alejandro Rojas and 457 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,639 on Open Minds he joins us most weeks. And I want to thank our 458 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:04,239 guest Frasier Kane and you can see his information if you google him. It's 459 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,719 f A I'm sorry, f R A s E R. And his last 460 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,320 name is c A I N. He's got a great YouTube channel. He 461 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840 also is on Astronomy Cast, a great podcast I've listened to for years. 462 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,239 And anyway, that's it for the show. I want to thank you the 463 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,159 listener, and we'll be back next week. Keep your eyes to the sky.