WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:08.679 Well, Whiskey coming Pain, My Pain, Dory's Brain, Whiskey, Don't 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:16.640 You Let Me Go? From Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot 3 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:23.640 Com. This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Award, 4 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:33.159 John You and Powerlines International Woman of Mystery Lucresha give me let that while where 5 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:41.600 you're being in Lost, Down and Loan. Welcome everybody to the three Whiskey 6 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.840 Happy Hour, or, as I'm told by UM one of our loyal listeners, 7 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:51.079 it's really known out there in UM podcast land as the Lucresha Hour. 8 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.920 I like that, but I don't think that's fair anyway. We're very excited 9 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.560 to be together today. We have a lot of really exciting things to talk 10 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.520 about. But first I have to ask you guys, all right, are 11 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.400 you drinking anything? Because I just want you to know. I just opened 12 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:15.200 a brand new bottle of Glenn fittich Are Clara fifteen warm and spicy single mold 13 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:23.599 is matured for fifteen years in Bourbon, new oak and sherry casks before harmonizing 14 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.760 in our unique Clara vat. I don't have any idea what that means, 15 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:33.480 but it's really nice. So are you guys talking. I'm going back to 16 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.040 whistle pick, so I'm just opening it. I'm gonna pour a little bit. 17 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.920 Well, although I'm not taking a double because Lucretia is not one of 18 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:48.000 the speakers today. It's just a host. Oh yeah, right, I 19 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:49.519 can tell you what. I'll tell you what. I am drinking a whiskey. 20 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.760 It's been a long busy week. More on that maybe along the way. 21 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.159 I can tell you, though, what I'm not drinking. A listener 22 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.760 sent me a link to something that I didn't know existed, even though Lucretia, 23 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.640 you apparently told me about this some time ago, and I forgot or 24 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.400 wasn't listening, of course, peanut butter whiskey. I didn't know there one 25 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:12.599 such a thing. I forgot. I know, I know there's there's So 26 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.400 the first time it was screwball and a friend of mine who's an HSI agent, 27 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:21.039 came over one night and he would he would bring over bottles of whiskey 28 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.319 and we sit and drink them together. He's actually a friend of my son's, 29 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.639 but anyway, um, and so one night he brings this peanut butter 30 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:29.560 whiskey. Some people actually like it, and if you pour it in with 31 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:37.000 like Godiva chocolate liqueur or cream to cocoa or even in say Tia Maria Um, 32 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:39.400 you kind of get the sense of having am like you know, the 33 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:44.680 TITSI roll shot, it's like a Reese's peanut butter shot. But what I 34 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:49.719 decided to do with it was make my world famous tier messoux. But instead 35 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:54.000 of using the typical rum of brandy, I used peanut butter whiskey, massive 36 00:02:54.039 --> 00:03:00.120 amounts of peanut butter whiskey and massive amounts of Godiva chocolate liqueur and made a 37 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:07.280 Reese's peanut butter cup tier massou, which was the hit of which is the 38 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:13.240 hit of every event I take it to. I'll just say that much what 39 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.840 happens if you have a peanut allergy? Can you drink peanut butter whiskey? 40 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:22.039 I don't give a damn about Sorry, people with peanut allergies. Well I 41 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.159 am. I'm having some finn Loggin again, which I haven't had for a 42 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:28.039 while. It's that, you know, I think it's a second label for 43 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:34.080 Lefroig or somebody on the I like right where because it's very peaty and and 44 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.719 it's not expensive. It's only nineteen dollars a bottle of Trader Joe's. I 45 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.800 mentioned, by the way, you can get Screwball peanut butter whiskey for nine 46 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:45.280 ninety nine, So well, what else have you got cooking for us? 47 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:49.800 That's what I was going to ask, I'll put it that way. So 48 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.639 I sent Steve a text early in the morning the other day and I said, 49 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:59.159 Damn, I have to. I have to say that I'm happy with 50 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:04.639 Kevin maccarthur again weeks in a row, for weeks in a row. But 51 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:08.919 then of course I had to, you know, because of the whole what's 52 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:14.039 her name? I can't I permanently cannot remember that ugly woman's name. The 53 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:19.079 Palestinian can't use the word I want to shed talib is that it? That's 54 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:21.319 it? Right? Yeah, okay, something like that. Anyway, she 55 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:31.680 wanted to it's the what anniversary of the found of the founding of Israel, 56 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.959 and she wanted to hold an anti Israel rally with a bunch of you know, 57 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:43.480 pro Palestinian anti Israel groups on the capitol in the Capitol and McCarthy said, 58 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.839 Nope, we're not doing that, which made me very happy. Yeah, 59 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.199 I'm a little curious. I would love to know exactly how that went 60 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:54.199 down, because what the way the world first heard about it was a tweet 61 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.720 from McCarthy saying, this event is canceled. I'll be hosting a celebration for 62 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.680 the seventy fifth vership Israel, a bipartisan celebration. And I don't know John 63 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.920 what the rules are, but you know, when I was an intern on 64 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.959 near Capitol Hill a million years ago, you know, members would hold receptions 65 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.199 and it also reserve a committee room where an interest group could hold a reception. 66 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.600 I think all the new ethics rules have killed all that, but it's 67 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.279 where interns used to go to have good, cheap or not cheap free meals. 68 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.279 You know, used to be this phone tree in the afternoon. Where 69 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.680 where are the best receptions tonight? Stock your way in and I don't think 70 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.079 goes happen anymore. But anyway, I'm wondering if they still do they still 71 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.759 do? Okay, well, that's good, I'm you know, you want 72 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.000 that kind of petty corruption going on. I wonder if McCarthy called up Rashida 73 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.959 to lead and said, no, I'm canceling the event, or if he 74 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.279 just announced on Twitter it was canceled. Either way, I would love to 75 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:47.480 have known how that all went down. But yes, I was very pleased 76 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:53.240 to see that that was good. Yeah, I want to ask you guys 77 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.639 a deeper question about that. But first, I think there's a great rule 78 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.319 I think it's still exists that says that you can still have these options as 79 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.600 long as they're not sit down dinners. Yeah. So you've got all these 80 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:10.839 interns struggling with these little plates piled high with food, right, you know, 81 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.360 and trying to pretend they're real full time staffers when they talk the lobbyists. 82 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.240 And then I think you have to generally open it up to you know, 83 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:23.199 certain classic employees, so they've got to be kind of open. So 84 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.240 I yeah, But anyway, I want to ask you guys this question, 85 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:33.600 what is with the sort of anti Israeli, anti Zionist agenda with the left? 86 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:40.279 I don't understand it. Actually, why the Democratic Party fosters these kinds 87 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:45.120 of john I mean, this has been bubbling up for a long time now, 88 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.319 by degrees, but it began campus it's look the actually you know it 89 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:54.399 was Aaron Woldovski first started writing about this in the late eighties, saying, 90 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:58.680 I notice that, you know, Jews were always considered a minority, a 91 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:05.399 marginalized group, somebody who'd been considered an oppressed group or discriminated against. This 92 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:10.839 is what I noticed now is that the left is starting to single out Jews 93 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.800 as oppressors. Why because they beat the Arabs in every war of the Arabs 94 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.959 picked with them. And he says, this looks ominous to me. Now 95 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.120 that's you know, thirty years ago Aaron was writing that, and I mean 96 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.680 he laid it all out, and that's what it is, is that the 97 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.879 Palestinians had become another favored victim group of the left. And who are the 98 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.600 oppressors well as the Jews? So now the Jews Israel's an apartheid state, 99 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:38.879 right, They're practicing genocide against Palestinians. And you know, and the Democratic 100 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.639 Party is has no resistance to this kind of claim, and so, you 101 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.399 know, anti Semitism. Well, what I think it's Glenn Reynolds who says 102 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.040 the corbinization of the Democratic Party has been underway for a while now, and 103 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:54.160 it's preceding step by step. Yeah, it's still hard. I get what 104 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:58.720 John is saying though nothing personal when I say this, Steve, but that's 105 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:03.720 all obvious kind of stuff. It's still you know, it's when all of 106 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.920 a sudden, I something, is there something deeper sense? Yeah, that's 107 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:11.319 what I mean, is there's something deeper about leftism or progressivism that forces them 108 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:15.120 to be anti Semitic or and then at the same time, so many Jewish 109 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.720 people deciding to us there a lot with the left and the Democratic Party. 110 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.079 We did discuss this a few weeks ago when you said you were going to 111 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.480 write your book that said why are Asians so stupid? Remember that podcast? 112 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.159 Yeah, we discussed this once before. It's still but I guess my point 113 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.679 is it still doesn't quite make sense to me, other than there's a certain 114 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:41.879 amount of arbitrariness to who's up and who's down with the left. But you'd 115 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:50.720 think that given the support from um Jews in them to the Democratic Party and 116 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.840 to the left, that they'd be a little bit more circumspect about it. 117 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.559 But I guess, you know, I get, I get the whole thing 118 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.279 about the last thing, that one is a functioning democracy in the Middle East. 119 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.679 Of course, well, they don't want to functioning democracy if net and 120 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.200 Yaho's going to keep winning. And that's what I was pointing out a week 121 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.799 or two ago. Is that if not that? And yahoo, the center 122 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.919 right parties are they going to be the dominant already are the dominant political faction 123 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.519 in Israel, And boy does the secretar left in America, both Jewish and 124 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.559 non Jewish, hate that right. So yeah, OK, even though it 125 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.919 puts them in bed, as it were, with the most repressive, horrible 126 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.799 regimes from the you know, progressive perspective, and you want to look at 127 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.039 a part of the world where there's no gay rights. So I think I 128 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.559 think there's a clue. There's a clue in that. John Actually, because 129 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.399 you know, Steve always likes to joke that the left doesn't care what you 130 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.639 do as long as it's mandatory. I'm going to sort of take move that 131 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:56.039 out of joke realm and say that perhaps what it is that intrigues the left 132 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:01.879 the most about the anti Israel, what would it be a group of people, 133 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.919 group of interests, is their authoritarianism. Because you know, so I 134 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.240 think they probably care more about being authoritarian than they do for instance, gay 135 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:18.679 rights. For instance, they don't care about gay rights or transsexual rights, 136 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.799 or women's rights. We know that they care about forcing views on people and 137 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:30.440 doing whatever's necessarily necessary. Authoritarian speaking to force those views. And that's probably 138 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.759 why they have much more in common with the Palestinians and with the Lebani, 139 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:41.320 with the all the different horrible groups over there. I don't know, what 140 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:43.799 do you think, Steve, you're laughing at me. No, I'm not, 141 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.120 I'm I'm I'm laughing in agreement. I do think. I mean to 142 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.399 see how this goes. It used to be thought that anti Semitism came from 143 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.759 the bigoted right and its historic roots going back centuries. Was I mean, 144 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.519 the really horrible was that, you know, the Jews or christ Killers actually 145 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.240 heard the Middle Ages and stuff, and uh, and that's there is a 146 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.960 little bit of basis in that. But today, but then let's think about 147 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.399 a parallel case, which is Protestants and Catholics didn't like each other. Well, 148 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.279 it turns out Protestants and Catholics now vote the same way, and they're 149 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.840 more often aligned, and those theological differences have disappeared politically because of politics, 150 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:33.240 right, Catholics and Protestants are both being assailed by radical left. Now Catholics 151 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:39.120 have also embraced Judaism. Yeah, yes, across the board. And I 152 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.399 think we're going to see here the old line of I think Milton him larb 153 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.559 Gutrude's older brother was that Jews live like Episcopellians, but vote like Puerto Ricans, 154 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.679 right overwhelmingly Democratic vote. And I wonder if that's going to start to 155 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:58.279 change along with the Asian votes starting to change as they come to see the 156 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.000 Democratic Party is not just different to them, but is increasingly hostile. So 157 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.600 and I read an interesting article and actually sent it, thought about sending it 158 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.960 to Amma girl, and then she sent it to me first about about young 159 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:22.440 Jewish women, Orthodox Jewish women in places like Los Angeles becoming sharpshooters in order 160 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.120 to protect their synagogue and to protect you know, different activities in the synagogue 161 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:31.759 and so forth, and that you know that of all ethnic groups, Jews 162 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:39.039 actually have the tiniest percentage of people who own firearms. But that's changing, 163 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.799 which kind of goes along with what you just said, Steve, that we 164 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:48.159 were likely to see a change as they become more and more victims of of 165 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:54.080 of the anti Semite, semi anti Semite hate that's out there, that's becoming 166 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.399 violent and truly ugly. Yeah, So I think I don't know anyway, 167 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.679 I do get your confusion about it, John, because even though we can 168 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:07.120 explain all those things, it still doesn't deep down doesn't make sense to me. 169 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.200 Why hate Jews? There's just no reason for it, you know. 170 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:16.799 Anyway, all right, cheers for Georgia football. Are you sitting down? 171 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.960 John? I have to give a show, I know, but brace yourself. 172 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:28.360 I have to give credit to Steve Wow Wow because way back McCarthy. 173 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:37.519 Steve McConnell's next. Because way back after the Bulldogs won the national championship, 174 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.919 uh and Biden went down and gave that awful speech where he called anybody who 175 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.360 didn't support the what the heck was his name? The Lewis Voting Rights Act, 176 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:54.240 Bull Connor and Jefferson Davis. I forget anyway, Jim Crow got that 177 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:00.879 horrible speech that that remembers Stacy didn't show up for Stacy Abram Tank didn't show 178 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:11.639 up for because she was getting her tires rotated anyway, um on her tank 179 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.360 um anyway. So he's down there that what was it two days a day, 180 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:20.200 two days after they'd won the championship, and he didn't even mention it. 181 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.320 And we talked about it, and I said, because there's a bunch 182 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:30.360 of um pansy boys that you know, millennials working around uh Biden who don't 183 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.679 even know what college football is. And then Steve said, if they're smart, 184 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.960 they won't show up when they get invited to the White House because of 185 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.559 their championship. And that was months ago, like February, wasn't it, 186 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:48.120 And lo and behold they got invited and they said, guess what were busy? 187 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:54.679 They didn't even say they were getting their tires rotated. So anyway, 188 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:03.360 three cheers for that too. Okay, I want to get John's opinion about 189 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.440 a legal issue before we get down into the dirty politics of it. The 190 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:18.799 Supreme Court last night put a two weeks stay on the Biden's administration's policy. 191 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.919 You talk about not understanding the whole jewicing, This one is just so bizarre. 192 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.200 I'm not sure I can explain it. So Title forty two is ending 193 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.399 so they can't keep out huge numbers of people who storm the border and cross 194 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.600 illegally. They won't keep them out, I guess is really the point. 195 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:43.519 They won't keep them out. And so the Biden administration had suspended a rule 196 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:52.720 that requires anybody that's apprehended to be detained, identified, fingerprinted, etc. 197 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.679 Etc. Given a court date and all those kinds of things they're saying, 198 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.039 and a background check is done to see they're not criminals or sex offenders and 199 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:07.600 all those other things terrorists from countries all over the world. They suspended the 200 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:15.320 rule that requires them to do that background check detainment, and the court last 201 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:21.360 night, and I believe it was Texas, decided to put a two week 202 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:27.759 stay on that policy. So now the policy at the border is if they 203 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:33.000 cross and they're detained, they have to be piled into these already incredibly full 204 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.080 detainment centers. Is that right, John? Do you understand it that way? 205 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.320 Yeah? And I hope we get to quickly what's going on at the 206 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.840 border with the end of Title forty two, which is what you're witnessing where 207 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:51.480 you live. But basically the way it works is people can come to Unite 208 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:56.120 States, and if they're basically economic migrants, you know, they're looking for 209 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:00.240 work and they don't have any visa, they just have no right to be 210 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.000 here, right, and they should be removed immediately. But then there's another 211 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.680 way you could come in, which is asylum. And that's where all of 212 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:15.680 the fighting that everyone's reading about with immigration is going on. Because under American 213 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.359 immigration law, someone can come show up at the border and claim asylum, 214 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:25.119 and the rules for asylum are just are just very different and in some ways 215 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:30.119 much easier, because if you have what's called a well founded fear of persecution 216 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:36.240 in your home country, then you can seek and receive asylum to stay in 217 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:40.880 the United States. So obviously what happens is all these people who are wanting 218 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:45.319 to cross the border, who may be coming to better their lives and seek 219 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.480 work they know or someone's telling them. Just claim you're want to claim you 220 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.359 want asylum. Don't claim you're coming for a job. There's no question that 221 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.160 people are gaming this, right, Jo's right, interrupt John, But yeah, 222 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.440 I mean, you know you're supposed to be fleeing a political persecute or 223 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.880 you know real well, look, I mean most of them are coming from 224 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.279 Central America, where things were a lot worse than the eighties, you know, 225 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.200 in El Salvador and Nicaragua and the other countries, and so there's there's 226 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.880 no logical reason the numbers will be surging except the people have figured out and 227 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:18.759 the word has been passed around. I think a lot of this is organized. 228 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.319 Yeah, I'd also add one other detail, Uh, we are. 229 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.599 If you don't know how overwhelmed this asylum system is. My understanding is is 230 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.319 that if you actually a processed properly now under the system Lucretia describes, right 231 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:37.119 now, they're assigning court dates to hear your asylum claim in twenty twenty seven. 232 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.920 That's right now. The calendar the court, the asylum court counter for 233 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:45.440 the immigration courts four years out from now. You know, the problem is 234 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.960 that you're supposed to be held, you know, detained by the government while 235 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:55.039 you're pending waiting for your hearing. But the Biden administration is saying, you 236 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.400 know, there's no we have no resources, we can't do that. So 237 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.759 we're just going to release them in the general popular you know, just release 238 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:04.720 them to the country on the promise that they'll show up for their court date. 239 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:08.039 Now, most of these people right like here is Steve said, these 240 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.440 are we're talking about court dates are four or five years from now, and 241 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.640 so in the meantime, they're going to go to work, you know, 242 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:21.160 work without permission, stay here without a legal visa, and then who knows 243 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:22.400 if they ever going to show up. There's no way to force them to 244 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:27.400 show up. We don't keep track of them, and so h that's that's 245 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:32.640 the problem. So this federal judge, as I understand it, said, 246 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.680 you know, the by administration has to stop just releasing people willy nilly who 247 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:38.440 show up at the border claim asylum, have no legal right to be in 248 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:44.759 the country and just turn around and let them go. So I have another 249 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:52.599 legal question. I think it is could given how much the immigration policy is 250 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.920 affected by executive orders and practices that come down from the administration, and you 251 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:02.039 know, either laws and regulations enforced or they're not, depending on you know, 252 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.319 which way the administration wants to go. Would it not be a very 253 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:15.640 simple thing, for without comprehensive immigration reform, for if the Biden administration had 254 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.039 the will to do so, and I know they don't, for them to 255 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.960 say, these are the countries that we will accept that we will accept asylum 256 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:29.599 seekers from, and you must come. You must wait in line and come 257 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.359 through a legitimate border crossing. You cannot just show up at the border and 258 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:37.519 say help me, help me and turn yourself in. All of that could 259 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.839 be made without any change to law. Correct. Yeah, And in fact, 260 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.599 if you want to see this puts this is why the Biden administrations, 261 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.400 claims Frank Hollow is that under President Trump he basically did that. He basically 262 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:59.039 did use executive power which were upheld by the courts to establish rules to how 263 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:00.839 to handle the asylum is one of the biggest ones what was called the Remain 264 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.200 in Mexico policy, which said, Okay, if you show up at the 265 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:08.880 border at the Mexico border crossings and you claim asylum, you'll wait to Mexico 266 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:14.000 because actually you had to enter Mexico from somewhere else, So you're just going 267 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:15.440 to stagimize. We're not going to turn around and release you right into the 268 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:19.880 population. As far as I know, no courts actually the Supreme Courts certainly 269 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.599 didn't strike that policy down. So there is a lot of discretion in the 270 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.880 immigration rules, which you know, could allow if you wanted to, if 271 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:33.319 he wanted to President Biden to handle this crisis. But Steve said, instead, 272 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.240 the word is out that you should come and say you're coming for asylum, 273 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.559 and they nothing's going to happen to you. And if nothing happens to 274 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.200 you, then it's just going to encourage more people. So I want to 275 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:51.359 ask Steve an analysis question. But before I go there I want to mention. 276 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.480 I think I read in the New York Post yesterday yesterday or this morning 277 00:21:53.559 --> 00:22:00.200 probably was this morning, long day, that they had a whole article interviewing 278 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.759 asylum seekers who'd gotten into the border, gotten across the border and were now 279 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:14.400 being detained. They were being in many cases handcuffed. They were there. 280 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.720 So this is what the article said, and they quoted one woman saying, 281 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.720 we just wanted to come here for a better life. They're treating us like 282 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:27.839 criminals. Okay, okay, you can look at that from from you know, 283 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.359 sitting in my lofty spot and saying, you know, you stupid person, 284 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.400 of course you're a criminal. Da da da da da. But what 285 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:41.440 Steve said was true. The word is out, not that you have to 286 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.480 come through and do it the right way, and we have, we do, 287 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:51.920 in fact have a very comprehensive system for dealing with refugees and asylum seekers 288 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.119 or we did you know, and I actually know people who do volunteer work 289 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.799 in that, etcetera, etcetera. But what has happened is an incredible crime 290 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:06.440 against humanity in my opinion, which is what I've said all along, that 291 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:10.200 the problem with an open border policy, which is Essentially, what we have 292 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:17.599 under the Biden administration is the incredible amount of human suffering that is perpetrated on 293 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.799 the asylum seekers and the illegal immigrants. It talked that particular article talked about 294 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.400 the journey through some jungle. I forget the name of it. They have 295 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:32.480 a horrible nickname for it because the women. You know, I think I 296 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.880 mentioned or somebody mentioned at one that there was a young a nine year old 297 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:42.200 girl who was rescued at the border who had sixty seven different DNA type center. 298 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.480 Yeah, yeah, And I hope you understand what that means. You 299 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.759 know, I'm not going to explain it. I mean that, so the 300 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:55.400 when you say the word is out, John, when you say that that 301 00:23:55.880 --> 00:24:02.839 either it's organized or it's not organized. That we are encouraging people to come 302 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.359 here because and get here by any means possible, because your chances are pretty 303 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.480 darn good that you'll be let go into the United States and you can make 304 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.279 your way and whatever, perhaps get on welfare, perhaps you just work hard. 305 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:23.000 I'm really not I'm really not being so harsh on the people who want 306 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.519 to do that. Why wouldn't you if if you want to agree with you, 307 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.039 I don't blame them at all. They are trying to improve their economic 308 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.200 situation, but they are breaking our laws, and if we continue to allow 309 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.519 it, we will have destroyed any commitment we have to the rule of law. 310 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.960 Why would not every Americans say, if you can, if you can, 311 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.160 disobey those laws, I don't want to pay my taxes anymore. Well, 312 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.880 there's another problem. The biggest problem here from a liberal point of view, 313 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.440 if you want to credit them with sincerity, is it's going to wreck 314 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:59.680 the asylum system for legitimate asylum seekers. And I mean case in point is, 315 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.440 actually you might have met this kid, John, who just didn't know 316 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.319 it. I had a Turkish kid in my class and the presidency a couple 317 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.240 years ago. He was sitting in the front row and the class. You 318 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:14.359 visited John that one day you came to talk about national security and he's here 319 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.000 in the United States, he and his mother on the political asylum claim. 320 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.640 And he told me the whole story. You know, he was on the 321 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:25.240 wrong side of Urdawuan or whatever his name is in Turkey and speaks great English. 322 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:26.559 He's managed to get a work permit and he was just telling me that 323 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:32.839 his court case to get the asylum claim processed and ruled on to get a 324 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:34.759 green card. It just keeps getting put off year after he's been in the 325 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:40.440 country eight or nine years now. And so there's a legitimate case of asylum. 326 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.559 Someone could manage to get here from Turkey and so forth, probably applied 327 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:48.279 over there the way you're supposed to, and you can't get through the darned 328 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.240 system having to pay an immigration lawyer. You know, his work permit has 329 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.960 restrictions on it and whatnot. He teaches driver education is what he does to 330 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.200 make ends meet while he's going to Berkeley anyway. And what's going to happen 331 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.920 is this whole system is going to collapse upon itself, and maybe soon, 332 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.839 maybe like the next you know, several weeks or months, it's going to 333 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.279 collapse on itself, and everything's going to grind to a halt, and it's 334 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.400 going to be a disaster for people who actually do deserve asylum. Two points, 335 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:22.240 so two points about seasonally. One is I actually represent a client pro 336 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:27.079 bono who's being persecuted by the Chinese Communist Party and fled China. And as 337 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.839 you say, Steve, what she would just want is certainty about whether she 338 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:36.160 can stay or whether she has to leave, but there's so much delay. 339 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:41.039 The system is completely clogged by all these people who are claiming asylum but really 340 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:48.279 aren't. That's it's terrible for her. The second thing is I think there's 341 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.240 something even more nefarious going on. Sometimes people on the conservatives side say, 342 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.559 oh, the reason that the Biden administration is doing this is because they want 343 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.440 to have more Aliens coming who are going to become Democrats, like they tend 344 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:06.880 to vote Democrats. I actually think this is like my question about Israel and 345 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:12.400 Judaism and liberals. I think liberals have this deep held belief that borders are 346 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:18.400 immoral. Yes, that it's wrong to actually try to stop people from crossing 347 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.839 a border. They think is wrong to be a nation state and exercise territorial 348 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.880 sovereignty. That's the bigger picture thin' going on here. Before you go on, 349 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.440 John, I agree with you, but I know that that's not the 350 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:34.400 case for the Biden administration because I think it's a toss up. I think 351 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.400 on the way, and it does seem a little bit far fetched to see 352 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:42.359 them doing this as a demographic to change the demographics of the country. But 353 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.519 we saw it happen in California to some extent, so maybe it's not such 354 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.920 a crazy idea. However, you're right, and I don't think it's just 355 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.559 the left. I think I've mentioned this before. I'll say it really quickly 356 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:00.519 again. The first time I taught a class, I teach on US immigration 357 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:07.000 and refugee policy. And most of the listeners know that I generally teach more 358 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:12.039 conservative students. They tend to be older. Often their veterans or active duty 359 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:18.200 military students are usually not the eighteen year old freshman, right, And so 360 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:26.440 I'm teaching this class and talking about border policy. Long story short, probably 361 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.720 eighty percent of the class was absolutely committed to the concept of open borders. 362 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.160 Yeah, absolutely committed to it. And my difficulty was trying to get them 363 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:42.400 to understand that all of the reasons why immigrants want to come here, asylum 364 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:48.559 seekers want to come here, it's the freedom we have, the freedom for 365 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.519 capitalism, you know, the ability to pull yourself up from nothing and make 366 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.759 something of yourself. All of those things, the American set of principles, 367 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:02.400 All of those things are what draws people here. But what we're doing with 368 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:11.119 this widespread illegal immigration and refusal to define asylum seekers and letting in literally millions 369 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.799 of people. So we're destroying that. We're destroying it. We're not requiring 370 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:22.319 what my immigrant grandparents had to do. Learn English, learn about the Constitution, 371 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.440 learn civics, and take a citizens ship test. Right, none of 372 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:33.200 that's even sort of expected anymore, except for those people who actually come and 373 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.839 wait in line for their turn to come legally. And I think that's really 374 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.200 the problem if you understand that, if we just leave open borders as open 375 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:45.400 borders, never mind the crime, never mind the destruction of our social services, 376 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.799 our city services, and so one, but we just won't have the 377 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.319 country we had. And to think I don't want to think that the left 378 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.599 just does it because they want more voters. But you know I've been wrong 379 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.960 on those things before. It's it's very sad and and in my city, 380 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:07.559 I'll say again that the problem here is not so much the problem I don't 381 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:15.680 find. I don't have the homeless immigrants sleeping out on my street yet. 382 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:22.200 But yesterday, by three o'clock in the afternoon, I told John and Steve 383 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:30.279 that the sheriff had had four tragic high speed chases. And when I talk 384 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.200 about a high speed chase, it's usually a fifteen year old kid who comes 385 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.559 and he's being paid by the Coyotes a thousand and two thousand dollars a person 386 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.279 to transport somebody who can cross the border because there's no longer any kind of 387 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:47.079 wall. There's no train cars, box cars down there. They just cross 388 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.640 and somebody picks them up. They don't stay here in the small town I'm 389 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.880 in because there's lots of law enforcement in the military base, but they go 390 00:30:53.920 --> 00:31:00.319 to places like Tucson and Phoenix and Los Angeles and other places. It has 391 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.039 to take them there. And what will happen is it's very clear what's happening 392 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.079 when you got a car full of and so the border patrols start chasing them. 393 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.119 The next thing you know, they're going one hundred and twenty miles an 394 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.920 hour through a neighborhood, crashing into houses, crashed, you know, crashing 395 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.200 into other cars at intersections, and it's it's just really awful. So much 396 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.559 so then I'll end with this, You guys will appreciate this that my sheriff 397 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:32.559 has issued an edict that anybody, anybody caught driving fifteen miles an hour over 398 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:38.359 the speed limit will be arrested and jailed. I know, Oh my God, 399 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:47.319 another and yet another reason not to visit your town. But what do 400 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:48.759 you do? I mean, And most of the people that are in the 401 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.880 jail, I think I said this before, so most of the people that 402 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.640 are in the county jail for border related crimes are Americans who are aiding in 403 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.000 a betting because they're being paid to do so illegal border crossing. So all 404 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:06.720 right, um, it's it's a sad situation. And again I sound like 405 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:08.920 a bleeding heart when I say it, but it's just as sad for the 406 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:16.000 people who are being unfairly given the motivation to come here with the belief that 407 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.880 everything's going to be great. When they do, it's awful, and it's 408 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:22.519 it's, you know, it's truly awful. I wouldn't never tell all the 409 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.799 stories I know about what happens to young women, what happens to children. 410 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.799 It's it's truly horrendous. It's it's it's it's crimes against humanity. And we 411 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:40.119 are I can't believe that we're not clever enough as a nation to be able 412 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.680 to make those kinds of very very important moral judgments that it's more important to 413 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.680 keep those people safe than it is to just open our borders so that everybody 414 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.039 can who wants here can come. Okay, I'll be quiet now, I'll 415 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.240 get off my so box. But I do want to ask Steve one last 416 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.759 question. You say you think that will be Biden's undoing. How's that going 417 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.079 to happen? What's going to happen? Yeah? So, I mean you're 418 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.640 you know, talk about Schadenfreud alert. You're seeing Chicago, New York, 419 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.759 Washington, DCEE, other towns where Governor Abbott and others have the wit to 420 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.359 bust a lot of these migrants, and they're saying, oh, were overwhelmed. 421 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.640 This is a crisis. It's terrible, and I think what they should 422 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.200 do is send more of them. And because you know that's gonna every place 423 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:29.839 that says their sanctuary city should be made a sanctuary for them. Now, 424 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.480 why I think this might be as undoing is uh. You know again, 425 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.279 it's a historical precedent for it. You go back to nineteen eighty you had 426 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.680 the Mario boatlift from Cuba, and at first a lot of people out, 427 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.000 Oh this is great, We're gonna get a bunch of Cuban Ai communists. 428 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.119 You know, refugees really want get out of the country. Astro, being 429 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.039 cynical, emptied his jails of his worst criminals and a lot of people who 430 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.759 are you know, in their versions of mental institutions. So they arrive on 431 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.079 all these boats and we realized, oh, we've got a big problem on 432 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.160 our hands. We've just imported a you know, thirty or forty thousand criminals. 433 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.920 So what what did the Carter administration do? Put them in camps, 434 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.799 refugee camps. One of them was in Fort Smith, Arkansas, where they 435 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.679 rioted and the riots spilled out in the local communities, and Bill Clinton lost 436 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.360 his reelection that year and blamed Jimmy Carter for it. And I'm thinking, 437 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.760 now, what if you're going to have fat In New York. Mary Adams 438 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.440 has said I'm gonna start sending some of these refugees asylum seekers out to the 439 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.719 New York suburbs, and the suburbs have said, no, you're not. 440 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.679 So you can see where this is going. I think the sheer volume of 441 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.800 it here, and if it is dispersed around the country, it's no longer 442 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.000 going to be just a problem for the border towns in Texas and California. 443 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.199 It's now going to be a national problem. And Biden's going to get blamed 444 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.360 for it that. I think that's one way it may play out. I 445 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.519 don't know. Can I pickyback on something? Yeah, pickyback a little bit 446 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.119 on that and call upon my respected elders here who were older than I was 447 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:59.199 in the nineteen seventies. But isn't this like the nineteen seventies all over again? 448 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.760 In another way, which is that this is a build on this feeling 449 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.559 that things are spiraling out of control, that there's a decline in law and 450 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:14.679 order. So um, the immigration border crisis just or further reinforces the right 451 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.559 feelings Americans had because of the right the sharp rises in crime we've had these 452 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:22.519 last two years, and the return of inflation, and the incompetence of our 453 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.480 you know, for national security leaders to manage our foreign affairs. This seems 454 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.159 like a replay of the Carter years. But I was yet a small young 455 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:35.239 pup at that time, so I don't remember it as well as you. 456 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.639 But doesn't this feel like the seventies as I've read about it? We want 457 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.800 to talk about deja vu all over again. I got to spend the evening 458 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.039 middle of the week with Arthur Laugher. He of the famous curve right, 459 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.840 And I said, you know, it looks great. By the way, 460 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.880 he's got to be in his eighties. He's eighty three. It's it's ridiculous. 461 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.159 I hate it. Yeah, I mean he looks like he's my age. 462 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:58.360 He's still unbelieving. He and Harvey Mansfield must be going to the same 463 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.599 taxi decence. You know, it's got they have the same painting in their 464 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.960 attic. You can't believe that that Art is, you know, a year 465 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.440 and a half older than Joe Biden. And it's you know, okay, 466 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.719 wow um. I was saying, you know, Art, I remember when 467 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.519 I was reading you for the first time. Inflation was running high. A 468 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.840 Democratic president was in the mid thirties in his approval ratings, he was being 469 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.840 challenged renomination by a guy named Kennedy. The Russian Army was on the march, 470 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:29.039 and the GOP front runner was an older guy coming out of the entertainment 471 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.760 industry with a slight orange complexion. As it wait a minute, I've seen 472 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.320 this movie before. Out of that end, but the more serious point is, 473 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.400 and I think that the other rerun we're seeing right now, you mentioned 474 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.519 crime John Is. It was in the eighties. I think it was eighty 475 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:50.719 four when that Bernie Bernie Guests he shot four muggers and he was put on 476 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:57.880 trial. People forget that he was acquitted from too many how many grand juries 477 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.639 before they would indict him that it was two or three? Yeah, I 478 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.039 don't remember that part. What I remember was he was acquitted of the primary 479 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.960 charge of manslaughter or whatever it was, or secondary murder. He was convicted 480 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:13.239 on the lesser charge of illegal possession of a firearm in New York, which 481 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.360 nowadays he wouldn't be. I think I'm not sure, right, um uh, 482 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.920 And so I think, yeah, I think we're about to see a 483 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.039 rerun of that phenomenon, because you know, Gets was you know, a 484 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:30.000 folk hero. It was you know, uh it was for years I used 485 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:37.639 Bernie Gets as the example of Bernie Gets when I would teach Hobbes at that 486 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.519 but as an example to try to, you know, students have a really 487 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:49.360 hard time placing the theoretical notion of the state of nature in a sort of 488 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.440 timeline that leads to the social contract. And so what I would say is 489 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.719 understand it like this. When Bernie Gets was in the subway and he was 490 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:02.519 continuously being mugged and his life was continue usly being threatened, and the government 491 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:08.280 was not protecting him as the social contract said it should, the consent to 492 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.719 the government said it should. He was back in the state of nature with 493 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.760 respect to you know, those people just like you would be back in the 494 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.880 state of nature if you're walking out to your car to night and somebody comes 495 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.480 up with a knife U and you know, tries to rob you or steal 496 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.639 your car, whatever. But if you're like me and you're carrying a pistol 497 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:34.079 and you shoot them, according to just basic social contract theory, the government 498 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.159 is not there at that moment to protect you, so you must do it 499 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.280 yourself. And you know that I would just use that example. But but 500 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.480 John is right. Maybe you said the seventies. I'm going to say the 501 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.320 eighties. Now New York was worse than many many places in the eighties. 502 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.320 And and you know until Giuliani came along, and and and so on who 503 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.960 was before him that fixed a few things before? Yeah, oh well though 504 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.400 there was oh I know he did fix anything, not thinking it was Ed 505 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.840 Coch Yeah right, yeah, yeah, it's just your clever way of transitioning 506 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.360 to the return of the state of nature on New York subways. No, 507 00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:22.280 but but introducing, yeah, introducing um. Steven sent me something that he 508 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:28.000 was writing, and he had this phrase in there from from um, oh 509 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:34.960 what's his name? From Angelo Angelo Angelo Angelo Codavia that that police bureaucracies, 510 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.079 and police would become like bureaucracies, and so I let Steve explain, but 511 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:46.519 that the citizen who defended himself is now under the new regime public enemy number 512 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.559 one. Steve wrote that a couple of days ago before that poor marine had 513 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.440 to turn himself in today where they're charging him with what second degree manslaughter? 514 00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.280 You know, he's a hero to everybody who was on the subway at the 515 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.400 time. Of course, I'll let you guys talk about that whole situation. 516 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.599 But how are we in this place? Yeah, I mean, what is 517 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:13.360 it? Remember? Let me say one more thing. Remember all the situations 518 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:17.920 in New York where you know, somebody would be stabbed fifteen times and ten 519 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.519 people would walk by, or ten people were watching and wouldn't intervene in any 520 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.320 way. They were all the raped in Central Park, And I don't remember 521 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.079 the specifics. N the ninth episode, Your match is actually from the sixties. 522 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.119 I think you're thinking of the famous Kitty Geno VC case where she was 523 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.079 screaming for help and nobody would call the police. Happened over and over. 524 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:42.639 Well, I think that the bigger I mean, that's the not isolated case, 525 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.559 but extreme in the magnitude of it. The more commonplace thing was people 526 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.440 who parked on the street and would put a sign in their windows say no 527 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.840 radio in car, because the big thing then was people would smash windows and 528 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:59.280 steal your radios. I know one very wealthy person who uh you know at 529 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.639 several residents, but he had his fancy cars out of his country homes and 530 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.920 he had a beat up, old Oldsmobiles when he drove into Manhattan, and 531 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.880 that's what he parked out of the street. I want to have a nice 532 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:13.000 so that those the kind of change. But it wasn't just this is time. 533 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.400 Well I know, but the point because is that people start changing their 534 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.719 behavior when you have the breakdown of law and order. And so one thing's 535 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:25.239 happening is is that, you know, public ridership of mass transit has completely 536 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.400 cratered. Some of that's COVID nineteen, but some of it is By the 537 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.159 way you mentioned New York, John, I just saw a story here Friday 538 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:37.800 morning of some guy with a sharp meat cleaver on a bart train under the 539 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.079 Bay. Yes, and you know, well, we don't need to go 540 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.400 to New York for the kind of thing we got in our backyard rights, 541 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.280 and this is spreading around in California. Human beings are the only things you're 542 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:55.440 allowed to use meat cleavers on anymore. John's certainly not on birds and pigs. 543 00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:01.199 And right, right, can you just make one comment about this Penny 544 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:07.039 Neelye case? Right the Penny Daniel Penny is the name of the former marine 545 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.960 sergeant, and Jordan neely is the name of the mentally ill guy on the 546 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.199 subway that he who was trying to restrain. It's I think it's kind of 547 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.440 worse than the seventies in this respect. It's almost more like one of these 548 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:25.800 Batman movies Alvin Bragg. The dam Manhattan is withdrawn, the protection of the 549 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.599 government from people. It's not like even they're trying to fight this rise in 550 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:36.199 crime which was going on the seventies. He's participating in the rising crime by 551 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.320 So when I looked up the numbers, I couldn't believe them. So even 552 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:43.960 in a time period when the major felonies of New York in one year have 553 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:49.440 gone up twenty five percent. He's bringing fifty percent less felony cases. Fifty 554 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:55.280 percent less felony cases, an incredible drop. So he's almost prosecuting the person, 555 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.760 you know, Penny here, the marine sergeant who acted because of the 556 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.440 failure to maintain law and order. That's why I say it's like these It's 557 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.800 like these weird Batman movies where it's the corruption of these city officials. It 558 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.719 causes people to have to be vigilantes, and then they punish them for being, 559 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.960 you know, vigilantes because they're living in the state of nature. That's 560 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.639 even to me, even worse than what was happening in New York in the 561 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:24.239 seventies. I think it is because because it was a sort of a neglect 562 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.559 neglect back in the seventies. This is purposeful. But I would add one 563 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:37.400 more element to it, and that's called the aoc uh screeching mob rule. 564 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.360 And so we can talk about Lincoln for a moment. I know that'll make 565 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.079 you happy, John, but I mean, you know, Lincoln says if 566 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.559 if, if, if, our laws are held by no more than the 567 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:52.360 caprices of the mob, law abiding citizens are just they're they're going to withdraw 568 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.440 their support for the government. And I think that what you're starting. I'm 569 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:04.400 when I saw a whole shape of social media posts about the border situation, 570 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.760 and one of the things that the Border Patrol was told to do was to 571 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:16.639 drop off immigrants in any neighborhood or on any street corner where they were likely 572 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.599 to be safe, where they were likely to be safe, meaning again maybe 573 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.840 my frontyard, your frontyard, I don't know. But when that starts to 574 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:32.079 happen again in two weeks with any kind of frequency, there's enough Americans out 575 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.920 there who are going to say, you know what, and if enough people 576 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.920 decide to take the law into their own hands, call it on the right, 577 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.239 or call it decent middle class American citizens, Alvin Brooks can't prosecute all 578 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.400 of them, no matter how much AOC gets up in screams in her shrill 579 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.760 crow voice about murder and whatever else. She said. You know, well, 580 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.920 I think look, I mean, they think they're clearly trying to they 581 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.320 think this is George Floyd two point zero, and I'm not sure it's I 582 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:06.039 mean, I'm not sure that it's sort of like barking, you know, 583 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.480 working the barking work once right, and it didn't work again. They tried 584 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.440 it again with Thomas and Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, and in this case, 585 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.239 I'm not sure that George Floyd too drill is going to work, but 586 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:21.119 we'll well, but it worked on the poor marine. That's the problem I 587 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.440 always have with you, Steve, when you make those swooping generalizations that guy's 588 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.679 in jail, that he's right, I mean, actually jailed him, are 589 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.440 just arrested him. I'm he's out on bel he's out on the Yeah, 590 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.639 I mean, I actually the ghost to your point about this being about self 591 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.480 defenses, when the jury looks at how he was treated, if he's such 592 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:43.360 a murderer, the police interviewed him and then they let him go and then 593 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.039 yeah, and then they let him out on bail. Plus if you look 594 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.880 at it, I don't know if you guys looked at the video, but 595 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.800 it's it's not just Tim who's trying to hold down this guy. There's like 596 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.599 two other people trying to help. Are they all murderers too? I mean, 597 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.639 that's well. I think the jury sees that they're gonna let the guy 598 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.360 out on self defense, non brag jury. I don't know. Well, 599 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.119 and then well, and then we will see if Oh, by the way, 600 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.639 the creation what I thought I should do is go to Florida and then 601 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.400 have Governor to sand To say I'm not signing the tradition order. You know, 602 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.000 that was like trout. Yeah, well, I guess he's a law 603 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.679 abiding kid. Yeah, he's a college student, now right, Yeah, 604 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.639 it's just I know you're right, Steve, it's probably going to backfire. 605 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.679 But in the meantime, my heart breaks for that kid and for other people 606 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.760 who who look at a situation and say I should help and then think, 607 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.800 yeah, right, I'm going to get prosecuted if I do, sure gonna 608 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.239 get prosecuted. And you know, it's another of the left tactics of fear, 609 00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.639 where they want to make sure people like us don't even dare to try 610 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.559 to take the law into our own hands when they won't do it. I 611 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.480 think that's what it's all about. I mean, Brag's not smart enough to 612 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.000 know all of those things, but the people pushing him are. Okay, 613 00:46:55.119 --> 00:47:04.760 all right, enough about that sad thing. I'm looking to see if I 614 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.519 have a happy story, Okay, I kind of, how about trump on? 615 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.239 All right, So tell me, what happens John about Trump on CNN? 616 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.360 You're asking me, well, so, so, this is what I 617 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:28.000 worry about a little bit. Is I think he has solidified his hold on 618 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.800 the primary election with this performance. I mean, he it was like back 619 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.199 to twenty sixteen. He was had a dominating performance. He started steamrolled over 620 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:45.400 the journalist, the crowd was really behind him. He on the other hand, 621 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:51.719 I think what he was saying will turn off moderates and independence who were 622 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.360 the ones who decide the elections, because you know, he to me, 623 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.079 the thing the mistake he made, I think was that he repeated that he 624 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.440 thought that twenty twenty election was stolen. And you know, we've argued on 625 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.360 the podcast whether you know whether we think it was stolen or not. But 626 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.440 it seems clear to me that independence don't think it was stolen. And if 627 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.800 there was one thing that Trump would do to lose an independent vote in the 628 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.760 next election, it seems to me is to keep hitting on that issue. 629 00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.400 I think what he should because you know, why wouldn't have been better for 630 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.599 him to say, Look, I think what happened election was wrong, But 631 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.960 let's focus on twenty twenty four. Let's talk about Biden. That's over, 632 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:35.320 that's the past. But I have one point on that. The problem is 633 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.320 is that he's also got a lot of people on the right who believe that 634 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:44.039 no matter what, he cannot get a fair election the next time around because 635 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:49.559 they believe the corruption was so great and that it's only in many places, 636 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.599 in places that matter, like say Michigan and Wisconsin, the laws have been 637 00:48:53.679 --> 00:49:00.559 changed to make it worse than it was in twenty twenty. He he's got 638 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:07.679 to have some focus on it so that he can keep his base motivated to 639 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.320 do everything to get out there and vote, and to do everything possible to 640 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.360 make sure that that they, you know, manage the fraud as much as 641 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.840 possible. That's I think that's why he brings it up. Well, go 642 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.199 ahead, Steve, Well see, I think I think that you know, 643 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:25.800 the issue about whether it's a good idea or not to talk, I think 644 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.039 that's beside the point. I think the amazing So what I was saying to 645 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.199 somebody is you remember that video from Trump ten twelve years ago when he walked 646 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:39.519 into the huge Worldwide Wrestling Federation in the giant arena and he walks up in 647 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:44.719 body slams Vince McMahon. He just did that the CNN. I mean, 648 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:49.039 that was and you know, the content of what he said is secondary. 649 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.679 That's my point to the fact that this show that Trump is back baby, 650 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:57.239 And the initial reaction of a lot of people has been, how is anybody 651 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.039 any other Republican I go to stand on the stage with this guy. He 652 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.400 more commanding than he was in twenty sixteen. And here I may be breaking 653 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.280 a little news if it turns out to be true. What I'm told is 654 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.760 is it's been reported that the Santis is not going to do the exploratory committee 655 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:14.880 stage and all that palling of the ground. He's going to just announce he's 656 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.880 a candidate for president. And I'm told it may happen in the next week. 657 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.960 And people say, how's the Santis, who's you know, does not 658 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.960 have the public personality of Trump going to stand up to him? And I've 659 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:30.639 got to thinking, you know, everybody's got it wrong about how to attack 660 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.000 Trump. If you're de Santis, people think, well, you know, 661 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.920 it hasn't worked to call him mean and you know, mister mean tweet or 662 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:39.519 you know, the peril verdict and all that sort of stuff. And I 663 00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:45.000 think that's correct. Those are dumb attacks. If I'm de Santis or anybody, 664 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.440 we got these declared Kennedys who were not doing this yet. If I'm 665 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.800 to Sandis, I think I'm going to get up on stage with Trump and 666 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.920 say, why didn't you fire Anthony Fauci, Why didn't you fire Deborah Burkes. 667 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.079 Oh, and by the way, this diversity equity inclusion stuff in the 668 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.760 Pentagon that lucretiaized to talk about, it turns out this came out in a 669 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:06.320 congressional hearing last week. Most of those programs began while Trump was president. 670 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.079 The Santas can take off a whole bunch of crazy left wing identity politics grants 671 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:16.800 from the Department of Education under Betsy DeVos. I think the Santas can hammer 672 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:22.880 Trump on things that, if people think about it, Trump's massive failure was 673 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.039 the whole COVID handling, right, And I think he could be hammered on 674 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.960 those issues and peel off a lot of Republican votes and maybe take the nomination 675 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.400 away from him on the issues and go on offense. Because what's Trump gonna 676 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.519 say. I've heard that privately, Trump has said he was afraid to fire 677 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.760 Fauci, didn't think he could do it, right. I think that Trump 678 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:45.440 was very vulnerable on those points. Why did you approve of this this warp 679 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.199 speed for a vaccine that now you know we're doubtful about? Right? You 680 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.079 swallowed big I don't know if he wants to say you swallowed big farmers a 681 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.440 lot whatever. But the point is is I think there are substant attacks on 682 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.679 Trump and people always want to attack him for being Trump and mean and all 683 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.360 that sort of stuff. And that's the santas As strong suit, right. 684 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:06.159 You know our Pala Glen Elmer say that the Santasis problem is he's all action 685 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.639 and no talk. Why did oh? And the and the final one is 686 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:13.239 you didn't get that wall built. We have an immigration crisis right now because 687 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.639 you didn't follow through on your number one pledge in twenty sixteen. Why should 688 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.800 we believe you again? You had a Republican Congress, right. The problem 689 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:28.039 is is that that the people who support him know that. How do I 690 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.119 say this? Because he's not a politician. He didn't understand how to take 691 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:35.079 care of those things. But he can turn around and say I understand now 692 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.800 and he's working on him. That's how would be the answer. I'm not 693 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.159 saying that's going be a good answer. But yeah, I don't think it 694 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:43.039 is. That would be his answer. You know, Instead, he's gonna 695 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.000 if I had to do it over again, I'd fire Fauci. If I 696 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:50.599 had to do it over again, i'd you know, I wouldn't have hired 697 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.239 all those generals. What do you want to bet that what Trump's gonna do 698 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.760 is call him a pedophile? And you know, why are you picking your 699 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.840 fight with Disney? Right? I mean, He's only done a couple of 700 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.599 these things about about Santa's right. I don't know. I mean, I 701 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:06.519 don't think it's over yet. Um, you know, I mean I understand 702 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.519 if the differences, I don't know if the differences are that great between the 703 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.159 two of them. I mean, you know, obviously we would prefer either 704 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.119 of them to Biden. But maybe you haven't. You didn't mention the one 705 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.719 issue. I think there is a huge difference between the Twachs abortion and apparently 706 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.000 Trump, you know, he used to be pro choice, and he apparently 707 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.280 he's been saying this abortion issue is going to kill us. He's never he's 708 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.039 not said anything, actually, John, what he thinks is the right view. 709 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.559 Whereas to Santa, signed this pretty restrictive abortion bill. Yeah, but 710 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.119 the last few days, Trump not only claims credit for the Dob's decision, 711 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.039 but it's actually talked as though he wrote the decision. He look, he's 712 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.840 all over the map. But no, that's why it was leakedsible right, 713 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.440 yeah, he no, no, he look, he's all over the map 714 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.800 on that, John, And uh so, yeah, it will be interesting. 715 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.679 But if he's going to attack the Santa's on abortion, I think that 716 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.320 not going to work very well for him. But we'll see. I don't 717 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.519 know. Well, a lot more to be said about Trump and de Santis 718 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:05.800 in the future, So let's move on from that point right now. So 719 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.599 the other big story this week that of course John probably hasn't seen because he 720 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:15.280 doesn't read the anything, but he listens to MPR and read CNN, and 721 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.639 don't forget that there the New York Times in the Washington and the New York 722 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.280 Times in the Washington Post, yes, haven't been covering. Is the fact 723 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.719 that it does appear that everything that most of us have suspected all all along 724 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:34.960 about the Biden crime family turns out to be true in spades and evidence. 725 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.800 I mean, there's all this stuff going on So there's the investigation, James 726 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:44.079 Comer's investigation, and they're going deep into bank records and they're finding the usual 727 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:50.599 you know, money laundering scheme through different banks and shell companies and this and 728 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:54.679 that, and then the payments to the Biden family. But but there's there's 729 00:54:54.719 --> 00:55:00.800 even more to it than that. And it appears the you know, Biden 730 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.119 was worse than Hillary when it comes to just you know, using the office 731 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:09.719 to just sort of reap in millions. What do you guys think? What 732 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.280 do you think? Steve? Can you indulge me for a minute, not 733 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.719 not too long. I won't go on too long about this, but I've 734 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:20.239 suddenly thought back to twenty sixteen for a moment, And what do we know 735 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:24.599 about twenty sixteen is that Obama. This has been why they reported Obama went 736 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:28.920 to Joe Biden or you know, the word was sent out, Look, 737 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.639 you can't run for president. It's Hillary's turn. You got a back Hillary, 738 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.360 We're all for Hillary. Don't run for president. And the more I 739 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.719 think about that, I thought, you know, that's actually a bit of 740 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:43.840 a surprise. And here's why the Clintons hate the Obama's Why because Obama took 741 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:45.440 the nomination for Hillary in two thousand and eight, it was her turn. 742 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:49.599 Then Obama did the shrewd thing, you know, the old Mokei belly in 743 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.639 line of keep your friends closer, enemies closer, makes your secretary of State. 744 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:58.559 Okay, But if you're Obama and you know, one of the lines 745 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.760 right now is is the Biden is stration to Obama two point oh, he's 746 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.800 calling the tune behind the scenes. And who knows how really true that is. 747 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:09.199 But if it's twenty sixteen and you're looking at your legacy, who are 748 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:14.039 you going to have the most influence with as your successor your own vice president? 749 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.960 Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton, if she had won that 750 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.039 election, would have turned out all the Obama people with prejudice, the same 751 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.719 way the George H. W. Bush people kicked out all the Reaganites in 752 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.480 nineteen eighty eight with prejudice. That was a very bitter transition. And you 753 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:31.760 know, so, if you're Obama, you want your own vice president to 754 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:36.840 succeed you? Why Hillary? My hunch now is that, you know, 755 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:40.840 we talked about this once before. The Biden General Counsel office raised their eyebrows 756 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.599 several times about the hunter being on the board of Barisma and other things, 757 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:49.719 and apparently Vice President Biden threw a fit and yelled and screamed to people and 758 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.400 said, how dare you question the honor of my family? And they all 759 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.840 backed off. I'm wondering, pure speculation on my part, whether Obama actually 760 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:01.880 knew that Biden was so thoroughly corrupt he was disaster waiting to happen. Uh, 761 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.440 and that's one reason he decided, you know how, better to go 762 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.440 with Hillary than with Biden. I'm just that's just speculation on my part, 763 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.880 but it makes me wonder because I'm sure Obama knows all the dirt on the 764 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.320 Bidens, including all the dirt we still don't know about yet. What do 765 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:21.320 you think, John, before you John quick, Steve, if you're gonna 766 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:29.320 be the pretentious intellectual quoting things, quote the right person who who Sunsu and 767 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.920 your enemies closer? Odamn, that's my move, man. I've been I've 768 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:36.159 just been a boomerang man, I've just been I've just been shamed by my 769 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:43.599 own move. Okay, Um, I was gonna say, for fans of 770 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:49.960 Seinfeld, always thought Steve's move was to stop short. But nobody's gonna but 771 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:57.320 the Uh So, I'm not sure whether I believe all the things that I'm 772 00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:02.760 seeing in the conservative blogosphere about Hunt and Joe Biden, but it seems undeniable 773 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.719 to me that you got to appoint a special counsel here. Two reasons. 774 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:15.320 One is, there's way more evidence than about Hunter, at least potentially committing 775 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.960 federal crimes regie, from corruption to tax evasion and so on, than there 776 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.920 ever was for the Russia hooks. Right, And so if you're going to 777 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:27.719 point Robert Muller in the Russia hoaxes, you have to appoint one here. 778 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:31.159 And then to make matters worse, right, President Biden gave this. So 779 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.760 we talked about the Trump interview. You know, we didn't really talk about 780 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.039 President Biden's interview with MSNBC, I think because nobody watches MSNBC. Right, 781 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.880 you know, he did this, and in the interview he said that the 782 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:49.679 Hunters did nothing wrong, has committed any crimes. That's almost like per se 783 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.079 the reason now you have to have a special counsel because President Biden's the chief 784 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:58.719 prosecutor of the federal government under the constitution. He's already declaring that his son 785 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.920 is innocent. So unless you have a special counsel. Nobody is going to 786 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:07.119 break charges against Hunter Biden. And so at the very least, it seems 787 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:09.480 to me, just as a process question, you gotta have a special counsel 788 00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:13.960 here. Okay, So I do have to put a little spin on what 789 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:19.679 you just said, John, because quite frankly, if you just want to 790 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:23.119 make this about Hunter Biden, it is secondary. Now. Of course, 791 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.480 if it was Eric Trump or anything like that, you know, they would 792 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.480 have brought out the wolves a long time ago. However, there are a 793 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:34.559 lot of people, especially a lot of Democrats, who say Hunter Biden's just 794 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.559 a troubled guy, and this and this and this and this. The point 795 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:43.880 of what came out this last week is really that this is not just a 796 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:49.119 Hunter Biden's scheme. This is a Biden crime family scheme. And the only 797 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:53.320 reason, the only reason Hunter and hunters. Let's see Hunter's ex wife and 798 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:58.880 Hunter's brother's widowed wife with whom he was sleeping when he was still with the 799 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.559 ex wife, and you know on a gut that families vial. But anyway, 800 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:08.239 um, they all received payments from different companies that were shell companies that 801 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:12.480 were removed from this bank that we're shell companies of this and so on in 802 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:19.599 the millions and millions of dollars. If if Biden is not implicated in all 803 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:23.480 of that, then there's you know, there's going to be a whole side 804 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:27.199 of the left that's just going to excuse him for it, at least long 805 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.239 enough for Biden to serve their purposes. You have to point out that the 806 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:36.639 only reason Biden or any of those other wits in the Biden family, they're 807 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.679 all dumbest. I mean, I don't even how is that possible? How 808 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:44.199 are how are relatively smart people um sitting you know, trying to pay their 809 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:49.480 bills and Hunter Biden made millions upon millions. It's well because of access to 810 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:57.599 his his corrupt and saying okay, I'm gonna stop, and okay, can 811 01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:04.119 I make a constitutional politics point and compare this to the Clintons and to Trump, 812 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.400 and that I predict because of all this, it's hard to believe, 813 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:13.280 but Biden will become even more leftist because remember what happened to Clinton when he 814 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:16.679 Clinton had to go on the defense on impeachment. The only people who right 815 01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:22.800 circle the wagons was the far left, and Clinton could no longer Yeah exactly, 816 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.119 Yeah, So Clinton couldn't make those moves to the middle that you know 817 01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:32.519 he had companded on twice. The impeachment basically caused him to become a leftist. 818 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.119 I noticed, though, that didn't happen with Trump. I don't think 819 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:43.639 Trump going through impeachment actually caused him to be more conservative, and you know, 820 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.079 sort right as far as I can tell. You know, though, 821 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:50.360 we went into the COVID thing right after the impeachment acquittal, so it's hard 822 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.360 to tell what would have happened, but I think that's what's gonna happen. 823 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.199 I think Biden, I agree with you the cretia. It's not just Hunter, 824 01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.679 it's whether Hunter and the activity of Biden's brother. We're bringing in money 825 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.800 that ended up in Joe Biden's bank accounts, and if they did right, 826 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.280 then there'll have to be an investigation. Maybe there'll be some kind of proceedings 827 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.400 in the House and Senate, but it'll cause Biden to have to right to 828 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.199 wrap his arms around the left in order to prevent any of this from going 829 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:24.119 further. I have a technical question to oh, so sorry, my dogs. 830 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.840 They're protecting me. You'll be happy to know. The technical question is 831 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:39.159 if they can show that huge amounts of money flowed illegally from foreign countries who 832 01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:44.719 are especially those that are our enemies. Whatever, two members of the Biden 833 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:49.079 family. Isn't that in and of itself problematic under the law, Or is 834 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.639 it perfectly okay for there to be corruption that benefits your immediate family as long 835 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:57.360 as you as long as they can't tie the money directly to your bank account. 836 01:02:57.519 --> 01:02:59.800 That's a question, believe it or not. Even though it was framed, 837 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.559 I mean you could you, I mean, prosecutors could investigate President Biden 838 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:09.199 for conspiring in bribery, right if he was helping them in any way, 839 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:14.800 like you could even remember, there are these claims. I don't read these 840 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.159 websites, so I'm not sure about them. But right they say, right 841 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:22.400 Hunter Biden would go on trips with the Vice president over to other countries, 842 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:28.079 and that right Hunter would then get appointed to these fancy boards and receive these 843 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:34.840 million dollars consulting contracts. Right if right if if, if the Vice President 844 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.960 at that time is making is facilitating this, if he has any knowledge of 845 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.960 what's going on, then he's a co conspirator in bribery. Yeah, I 846 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.559 mean, look, there maybe some violations of say Phair, the Foreign Agents 847 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.360 Registration Act depending on what the contracts said they were supposed to be doing. 848 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.280 That's what one of the things that tripped up Paul Maniford, right, he 849 01:03:54.280 --> 01:04:00.199 was getting a million dollars a year from Ukraine. The big question, to 850 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.800 my mind is still the line from the one time partner of Hunter Biden a 851 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:08.239 ten percent for the big guy. Well, we know who the big guy 852 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:12.440 is. Now, can you trace that ten percent transferring to him? You 853 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.519 know? I mean there are I'm missing my question Steve, though, do 854 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.119 you have to do that in order to see the corruption there? I mean, 855 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:25.000 not one of those people have a single dime from China, from Ukraine, 856 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:30.639 from on and on and on. If Joe Biden weren't the corrupt, 857 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:32.920 I'll give you this. If you give my family, I mean, yeah, 858 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:38.480 that's clear and would be in any other case. Oh look, I 859 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.079 agree with you entirely from the perspective of a citizen looking at all this, 860 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.519 and of course it stinks. From the narrower legal and political perspective, Is 861 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.679 this enough to drive him from office? That's what I'm saying. It is 862 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.880 like Watergate or like a mafia prosecution. You've got to get that last step, 863 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:56.960 you need a forensic accountant. And I've known a couple of good ones 864 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.559 have worked on things like you know, and Ron and World Common all those 865 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.760 things to years ago. Uh. And you've got to figure out how the 866 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.960 money was transferred into Biden's pocket. I doubt it was done in bags of 867 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.679 cash, but who knows. And a lot of I think a lot of 868 01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:14.119 records are still not yet on earth. But it's something people put him in 869 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:19.199 the trunk of his corvette because it was very secure. It couldn't be I 870 01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:21.760 wouldn't you know, wouldn't be at all surprised. Uh. And it was 871 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:25.960 a longer or something. Uh. And that's you know fact what that's what 872 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.320 would finish him off instantly if you can prove that. And you know the 873 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.159 problem with Special counsel John is that that often slows things down, right. 874 01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.079 I mean it's done purposely, right, yeah right, I mean you know 875 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:42.440 a point of special counsel Now, they're not going to finish their investigation till 876 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.480 oh, I don't know, twenty twenty five after the election's over, you 877 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.199 know, I don't know. Oh, it's more it's more the I think 878 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:51.880 the Special Counsel investigation will just do Biden because of right, all the media 879 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:56.239 will just focus on the scandals and the trip trip trip. A lot of 880 01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:01.079 people don't. Yeah, no, I think that's what the special counsel has 881 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:06.119 a politically would be terrible for Biden, even if they never get a conviction. 882 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:13.599 And contrast, geez, yeah, but he has a special counsel on 883 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:18.320 him. Now about the the um not the bags of money, but the 884 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:25.079 bags of classified documents in his que bed. Remember there is a special counsel. 885 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:30.079 What did that do? Absolutely nothing? Um, you know that that's 886 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:36.000 the problem. I mean until I think, until there would be some uh 887 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:42.599 prosecutorial entity of the federal government willing to actually go after Joe Biden and go 888 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.360 for the truth. Besides, you know, um, House committees. I 889 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.880 don't think you're going to get enough public outcry to do anything about him. 890 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.239 That's what worries me. I mean, am I am I wrong on that? 891 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:58.920 Well? I mean I think the place actually you want to go first 892 01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:00.840 is Congress. I mean, I think we relied too much on the criminal 893 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:04.639 justice system to take care and prosecutors to take care of this one. Right, 894 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:08.679 The real answer is, if you really believe this to be true, 895 01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.840 then right, the House should start an impeachment investigation, right and lea, 896 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.840 And that's that would be the constitutional justification for demanding president's tax records, and 897 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.800 you know, the business records, banking record, that's what you would need 898 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.960 to prove all this. Get get Hunter before the Congress to testify in a 899 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:31.199 House Committee oversight hearing. I do want to go back to something John said 900 01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:35.840 to lead into something really quick as we're wrapping things up about you know, 901 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:42.320 who should be prosecuting the president of special counsel and so on. The DOJ's 902 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:48.559 obviously somewhat compromised because in fact, you know, Biden is the chief prosecutor, 903 01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:54.679 etc. As the President of the United States and the head of a 904 01:07:54.719 --> 01:08:01.000 singular executive department. However, we were talking before the podcast started about Supreme 905 01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:04.320 Court, two Supreme Court cases, and we're just going to concentrate on one 906 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:10.039 um that came out the day before we recorded this on so it came out 907 01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:15.119 Thursday night, having to do with the overturning of a conviction of one of 908 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.760 Cuomo's campaign people, I think is what it was, John, right, 909 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:25.520 and he took a thirty five thousand dollars payment and they they found him guilty 910 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:33.680 of um violating the law against honest services. So explain that a little for 911 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.359 our listeners, because it's a bit calm. This is. Yeah, this 912 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:41.960 is a really interesting case that really didn't get much notice and the press, 913 01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.680 but it's also got some really interesting, deep constitutional issues to it. So 914 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.600 this is a case of a felon a Percoco. I love the name. 915 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:55.880 It sounds like a McDonald's drink. So this mister Percoco art styles I was 916 01:08:55.920 --> 01:09:00.560 going to say, okay, sorry. So Percoco was one of the top 917 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:09.199 officials for Cuomo, and so he left office for just a short time and 918 01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:15.880 in that short time period he was paid money by a developer to help basically 919 01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:20.159 get the New York State government off his back. And so then right before 920 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:24.960 I think it's like the day or the day before, Prococo went back end 921 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:31.560 to government in the Governor's operation. Magically, all these regulations and requirements that 922 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:38.359 were being opposed on this developer were lifted, and so he was prosecuted under 923 01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:42.279 the mail and wire fraud Statue. So the Mail and wild Frauds statue just 924 01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:46.640 says it's a federal crime to use a mail or the wires which includes telephone, 925 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:54.279 the Internet as well as telegraph. To commit fraud seems like a you 926 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.159 know, pretty bland the NILA law. But what happened, and this is 927 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:03.800 the backstory, is that this statute has been used by prosecutors and lower federal 928 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:10.079 courts to try to police state politics. So it send you what happened here, 929 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:14.680 right, is that federal prosecutors didn't like the way mister Percoco or mister 930 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.079 Governor Cuomo, we're running things in New York. So they said, oh, 931 01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:24.600 you're really committing fraud. This is not normally fraud for lobbyists essentially to 932 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:30.039 pay money to a state official to get them to do something. So the 933 01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:34.079 lower courts for many years had said, oh, fraud includes the right to 934 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:41.760 the honest services of government officials. Then in the statute it just says fraud. 935 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.319 Actually, this is to its credit, the Supreme Court ultimately rejected this, 936 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:49.960 but then Congress overruled the Supreme Court immediately, this is the nineteen eighty 937 01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:56.760 seven eighty eight and added the phrase honest services to the statute. So now 938 01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:01.199 under the law, it is a crime to use the mail or the interstate 939 01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:06.720 you know, interstate telephone and the internet to commit fraud, and then the 940 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:15.079 statute says fraud includes not providing honest services. I've always thought this was unconstitutionally 941 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:23.000 vague actually for today's right and in fact, in today's yesterday's case, Justice 942 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:29.520 Corsage and Justice Thomas agreed that Percoco should be set free. But they said 943 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.960 this whole statute should be thrown out by the courts. Well, what does 944 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:38.039 honest services mean or not mean? The main court just said, whatever it 945 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:42.159 means, it can't apply to private people. This guy, Percoco, to 946 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.560 the extent he was, you know, paid money to influence the government. 947 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:48.680 He wasn't in the government when he got the money, and when he was 948 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:53.319 essentially a lobbyist, he was a lobbyist. He was a private citizen. 949 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.640 And so the quarterbacks you made this next point, he said, if this 950 01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:01.199 is true, then all of these I and my Pronoesses Eminence Greece, you 951 01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:08.880 know, these powerful behind the scenes brokers, would be subject to criminal prosecution. 952 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:10.880 They didn't say it, but immediately the first thing I thought of, 953 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:17.359 Henry Kissinger would be in jail, that the prosecute of the federal government was 954 01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:23.119 pushing here. But here's the larger picture is I'm not sure where in the 955 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:29.680 Constitution the federal government gets the right to police state politics. So some states 956 01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:32.119 have more corrupt politics and other than let the people those states fix it. 957 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:36.880 And this is part of I think this general withdrawal of the Supreme Court. 958 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:42.439 The Supreing Court has been trying to get out of the business of policing state 959 01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:45.600 politics. This is very much a product of the progressive here right this state 960 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.319 politics are broken, the federal government should sit on top of it and force 961 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:54.439 it to be ethical or clean it up. So think about in terms of 962 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:58.439 all the other things that the Court has done, citizens United, the Court's 963 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:04.199 not going to police campaign finance contributions. There's another case involving the governor of 964 01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.119 Virginia. It's called the McDonald case, where the courts said, we're not 965 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:14.039 going to enforce the bribery statutes against state officials unless there's an exact quid pro 966 01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:18.000 quo you can show that you got the money and the governor actually did something 967 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:23.199 for the money you've got. Even I think like the case about redistrict thing, 968 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.880 where the court said we're not going to review how state's redistrict. So 969 01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.359 I think this is a great example to me of a conservative court that's trying 970 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:35.520 to restrain itself from restrain the federal government and get out of this sort of 971 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:42.399 progressive error business of activism where they thought they could impose this vision of political 972 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:45.279 morality on every state and local government in the country. So I want to 973 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:51.439 throw a curveball at you, then, John, both cases when you talked 974 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:57.319 about in a similar case, we're nine zero. Yeah, and the left 975 01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:02.439 is freaking out about that because they're first of all, they're freaking out saying 976 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:09.720 that the Supreme Court has just made it impossible to prosecute any kind of corruption. 977 01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.680 And you know, I don't know if that's because they're afraid it's something 978 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.840 like Bragg's case if it goes before the Court will get thrown out or something. 979 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:21.680 I don't know, but it's interesting that you had nine nine justices agreed 980 01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:28.479 to that. That doesn't happen very often anymore, and especially on something where 981 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.039 the left screams about it. The last one I can't think of is when 982 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:38.960 the Court unanimously decided that Obama was violating the First Amendments freedom of free exercise 983 01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:41.720 of religions, right, yeah, yeah, and the religion cases you know, 984 01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.640 way back when nine zero case, what do you think about that? 985 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:48.800 Were you supervised it was nine zero? Actually what I what I also like 986 01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:53.600 about these cases is that I think it puts a lie to the claim that 987 01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:59.800 the conservatives are Conservatives on the court are partisan. They might be ideological about 988 01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:02.399 the Constitution and the way to read it. But I was thinking about this, 989 01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:06.399 who which party actually loses more out of these cases? I'd say the 990 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:11.399 Republican Party. You know, if there's ever if there's any place where the 991 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:15.600 Democratic Party has a fortress, it's in these corrupt cities and corrupt places like 992 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:19.680 Albany. If there is, yeah, any party that was going to benefit 993 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:25.239 from federal prosecutors rooting out corruption in cities and states, it's going to be 994 01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.600 the Republican Party. The Democratic parting machines. They feed on this stuff and 995 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:32.399 they benefit from the kind of things you read about in the Percoco case. 996 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.439 But I so I thought, but I think, you know, you have 997 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:40.800 this marriage of two different on the right. I think you have this desire 998 01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:44.720 the federal government and the courts should return to the restrained role they had for 999 01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.359 most of our history. We're not in the business of policing politics. I 1000 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:53.479 think the left on the court. They just like striking down federal criminal laws 1001 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:57.880 because they think we're overcriminalized. So it's this weird meeting of the right and 1002 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.720 left. Don't get used to it, Kresa. It only happens once in 1003 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.600 a little while. You know, I may I may disagree, I may 1004 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:05.680 disagree with you, John, or at the very least, I think we 1005 01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:10.359 got to split this into two different issues. One is the separation of powers 1006 01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:12.880 question, come back to that. And the first one is you know, 1007 01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:17.760 the honest services business and you know, policing certain kinds of transaction relationships that 1008 01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.640 people. So here's the problem that gets back to the really important one, 1009 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:27.119 which is the separation of powers. You know, the Prococo guy, I 1010 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:30.199 hadn't heard about, but I do know. They also convicted Sheldon Silver and 1011 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:35.720 a bunch of other office holders in New York who totally corrupt people. And 1012 01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:39.960 there have been these cases over the years where the FBI has gone gone, 1013 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.239 gone in and done stings. Now again, this is back when you were 1014 01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:45.039 a pup, and I think, Luke Kreshia, you were living in Davis 1015 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.760 at the time. But back in nineteen eighty eight, yeah, yeah, 1016 01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:53.720 okay, that's right, you were living in so Back in nineteen eighty eight, 1017 01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:59.279 there was a big sensational FBI sting in Sacramento, and it snared a 1018 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:03.399 Democratic state senator who they caught on videotape taking twenty thousand dollars in cash in 1019 01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:09.079 an envelope, a plain old fashioned bribe. But they also snared two Republicans. 1020 01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.800 It wasn't for taking a bribe and taking cash in an envelope. It 1021 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.720 was for arranging some changes in the law. It sounds like the prococo business, 1022 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:21.720 for arranging some legislation to change some regulations. So this phony shrimp company 1023 01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:26.520 it became known as Shrimpgate, could do business in California and then return they 1024 01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:29.319 said, oh, we'll give you some campaign contributions, and one was to 1025 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:32.520 the Republican leader Pat Nolan, the no money in his own pocket. Now, 1026 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.359 the story was always going around at the time that the FBI originally was 1027 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:42.560 targeting Speaker Willie Brown, who was known as a notorious shakedown artist. And 1028 01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.239 one story went around, and who knows if it's true or not, is 1029 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.560 that they tried to slip him an envelope or under his door to his office 1030 01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:51.319 inside his office with ten thousand dollars in cash, and he didn't take it. 1031 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:55.319 It was too smart for that sort of thing, and ended up snaring 1032 01:17:55.359 --> 01:18:00.720 Republicans instead. And you know Pat Nolan, who I knew pretty well to 1033 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:03.000 do a plea bargain rather than face a long jail sentence is the way these 1034 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:06.319 things go. But I thought the time, well, wait a minute, 1035 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:12.159 talk about honest services company goes in says could you please help us with legislation 1036 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.199 to change the law so we can do business in the state. And by 1037 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:19.560 the way, we'll give you a campaign contribution. Lots of companies will do 1038 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:26.199 that perfectly, willingly all the time. Business of Congress. Where's the crime 1039 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:29.159 here? Right? It was, you know, a phony in other words, 1040 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.520 entrapment. Right, So the problem there is where's the corruption? I 1041 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.399 wonder if it isn't with This is when I first started wondering about the FBI 1042 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:39.239 and the government and the problem though, John I have is you know, 1043 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.600 when you do have really corrupt people like you have in Illinois, like you 1044 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.079 have in New York in Albany, if the federal government can't do it, 1045 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:48.840 who can I don't you know, the voters don't know the stuff's going on. 1046 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:54.359 One last anecdote on this is Gray Davis before it was recalled. He 1047 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:58.600 was notorious for having someone ask a favor, you know, the state he's 1048 01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:00.600 dealing with him, And within forty eight hours, Great Davis will be on 1049 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.760 the phone asking for a campaign contribution. And I remember talking to Dan Walters 1050 01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:10.239 about this. Lucretia will remember him. He's still around. He was the 1051 01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:15.520 leading political reporter in Sacramento with a Sacramento BA And I'm having dinner with him, 1052 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:16.439 you know, thirty years ago, during all this stuff, and I 1053 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.600 said, why don't why don't more people in the media, by which I 1054 01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:23.000 meant him right about this as well. You know, we can't prove it. 1055 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.760 We all just know it's going on. So in other words, the 1056 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.279 remedy of the you know, it's up to the people to hold these people 1057 01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.960 accountable. I think in practice doesn't work. So I'm not saying you're wrong, 1058 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.279 but I'm not. I don't know. This is a tough problem, 1059 01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.720 but it goes It takes me back to something John said last week and wrote 1060 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:43.119 a nice little article about in Fox News. It alight with a slightly different, 1061 01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:47.359 slightly different tilt, but still it's the same idea. And he talked 1062 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:54.760 about it last week. What do we do when we try to enforce basic 1063 01:19:55.439 --> 01:20:00.840 decency and morality with complicated ethics rules? And and that's really what's going on 1064 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:03.720 here, because on the one hand, you should be able to say, 1065 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:09.479 yeah, you shouldn't be able to shake down somebody for a campaign contribution in 1066 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:15.760 exchange for doing them a favor which benefits them, which automatically means it detriments 1067 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:20.079 someone else. I mean, that's it's I go back to the Jesse unrest 1068 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:23.560 statement, and I hope I'm not going to get Steve don this one. 1069 01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.359 You know, if you can't, if you can't take their money, drink 1070 01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:30.479 their liquor and sleep with their women and still vote against them, you don't 1071 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:39.439 belong in politics, right right, right? John's laughing. John always laughs 1072 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:42.319 at me when I make those jokes. But but but it doesn't that kind 1073 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:45.399 of speak to why they're funny. They're funny, That's why I laugh. 1074 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.199 They're funny. Okay, But doesn't that kind of speak to part of the 1075 01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.960 point that you were getting at that at some point when you just when you 1076 01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:59.560 have absolutely no commitment to morality, to goodness, to decency, to doing 1077 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:03.119 the right thing as a as an elected public official. There's only so much 1078 01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:06.680 the law can actually do about it because there's so many ways to get around 1079 01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:11.840 it. And maybe back to your original comment about the court on this case, 1080 01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:17.479 just prosecuting these kind of nitpicking sort of things isn't the way to enforce 1081 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:25.000 anti corruption and it really, you know, if the the people get the 1082 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:30.960 kind of government they deserve, right and we got Biden? Thanks, what 1083 01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.960 does that say about us? Boy? I know? Okay, I mean 1084 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.560 I do you disagree with that, John, because I'm putting words in you 1085 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:40.359 know, so no, no, I agree with you. I think that 1086 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:45.000 what's happened in Washington it's as I say with the last time about Justice Thomas 1087 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:49.479 and these ethics forms, is that people are you know, not people. 1088 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:57.760 The government, this progressive government we have tries to replace basic moral questions with 1089 01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:01.960 ethics forms or using the criminal law. That's you know Nixon, you know, 1090 01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:06.319 you know so Ni Nixon, in a weird way, was the old 1091 01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:11.520 school. Like he retired, he resigned before there were any criminal proceedings, 1092 01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:15.880 before he was impeached because he said he thought he did the wrong thing. 1093 01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:20.359 It didn't require criminal prosecution. But now that's Clinton, I think is where 1094 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:25.920 the turning point right, a moral president would have resigned, but Clinton was 1095 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:28.520 not going to be driven out of office unless it was a you know, 1096 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:31.039 unless it was a legal impeachment or prosecution. Well, I mean, you 1097 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:36.000 know, he was a good and decent guy without a scando in his past 1098 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:43.239 when he got there. That all right, Um, I'm I'm promised Steve, 1099 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.199 I'll try to be a responsible host tonight and get us out of here 1100 01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:51.039 at a decent time. So I'm going to ask you John first, Um, 1101 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:55.239 if you have been drinking the whiskey we have been drinking, and if 1102 01:22:55.239 --> 01:23:00.159 you've been drinking it every day, and if you have a communism for us, 1103 01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:04.560 I do I do? The problem I initially had was that I only 1104 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:09.319 had it on video, and so I had to watch this dreadful video over 1105 01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:12.720 and over again to try to write it down. Only after I did this, 1106 01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:16.920 did Steve then send me a transcript, You bastard. You could have 1107 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:19.920 sent me the transcript initially, but he didn't. He sent me a video 1108 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:27.359 club. But here it is, and it was actually interesting because the vice 1109 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.880 president was speaking at some strange d EI ceremony and it's all on the White 1110 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:33.680 House website. If you want to look at it. Here's the quote. 1111 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:39.119 Everything is in context. My mother used to give us a hard time, 1112 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:41.960 and she would say to us, I don't know what's wrong with you, 1113 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.399 young people. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree, and 1114 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:50.199 then says insert cackles here in the transcript, you exist in the context of 1115 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.960 all of which you live and what came before you. You know, I 1116 01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:59.039 gotta say, this is really interesting, how sad this is. So if 1117 01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:03.119 you're you know, if you're a junkie of the White House website and you 1118 01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:08.560 see the transcripts they do of when the president speaks and he tells a joke 1119 01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:15.039 and then the audience laughed, it'll say laughter yeah. But in this case, 1120 01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:16.479 if you read the White House transcript, it doesn't say laughter from the 1121 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:20.119 audience. It just says laugh yeah, and that she's the only one who 1122 01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:25.520 laughs. That's sad, right, even even the White House transcribes trans guards 1123 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:30.039 aren't trying to make her look good anymore. Yeah. And also, I 1124 01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:34.239 can't I can't read. I'm sorry. Lucretia criticizes me from my failure to 1125 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:39.159 imitate the Vice presence tone of voice. But I thought I detected her trying 1126 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:43.600 to do make fun of people with the Indian accents. When she was talking 1127 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:46.600 about the quoting her mother with the coconut tree. So I couldn't reproduce the 1128 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.960 code. Yeah, I could reproduce. So then I looked up online what 1129 01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:55.159 does this mean? Is this some kind of phrase and there's no record of 1130 01:24:55.239 --> 01:25:01.199 this being an Okay, no, it's some bizarre thing she said. I 1131 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:04.840 bet her mother never said anything about falling out of a coconut tree. The 1132 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:10.319 depressing thing I read about her this week and it just it's Steve even mentioned 1133 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:15.000 it earlier. It reminds me of just how very pathetic our military has become. 1134 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:20.359 That she's actually speaking at West Point for the graduation. So so the 1135 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:24.319 good news is that there's probably going to be plenty of fodder for you next 1136 01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:30.119 weeks. John from that, because after we saw her at the at the 1137 01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:34.600 Howard game and oh anyway, I do want to say we had talked about 1138 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:39.720 doing this, but we couldn't do it. Justice. Today I'm going to 1139 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:44.439 put these guys on record that we're going to be discussing again one of John's 1140 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:50.439 favorite favorite subjects, which is the concept of unenumerated rights and a really interesting 1141 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:54.800 book that's come out about that, So, so be prepared. That's going 1142 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.479 to be interesting because what's going to happen. Let's see, this is the 1143 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:02.239 tomorrow when the plays, It'll be the thirteenth of May. Yeah, we've 1144 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:09.600 got just what six eight weeks at probably six weeks at the most of uh 1145 01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:15.920 anticipation for all of the Supreme Court opinions that we've been breathlessly awaiting, right, 1146 01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:19.840 uh. And so so that's going to dominate our conversation, I think 1147 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:25.000 for a good portion of the summer. So in the meantime, we're going 1148 01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:31.479 to have one of John's favorite philosophical uh discussions in a little bit more modern 1149 01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:35.279 context about the concept of the Ninth Amendment and unenumerated Right. So, John, 1150 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:40.880 you want to send us out? Okay, always drink here whiskey. 1151 01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.640 Need let's go, Brandon and I don't have the camialism already gave it. 1152 01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:49.279 Yeah, that's all right, that's okay. You can say whatever you you 1153 01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:59.600 can say, goodbye, it's okay, and bye bye bye bye bye bye 1154 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:13.640 bye. Right, oh my god, oh killing me on your way, 1155 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:19.079 and make sure that you're certain it's not the wrong day. Once you have 1156 01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:35.920 people are lost in their flight to become mon presented when they are. Why 1157 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:41.880 am I searching gun? When will I know? All the years and I 1158 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:47.880 waited with nothing to show. I'm ready toss, and I'm ready to win. 1159 01:27:48.479 --> 01:28:40.439 But I can't wait much longer before we begin. Ricochet joined the conversation