WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.120 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.080 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.160 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.960 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest encryptids and other 5 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.120 things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:23.000 I've personally become involved with The Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network is 7 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:27.960 a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all podcast 8 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:32.119 platforms, YouTube, and more. 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Yes, yes, I 18 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:37.120 know aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatchadis you guys welcome 19 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:40.879 back to Sasquatch. Yes, thank you so much for being with us for 20 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.120 the show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great 21 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.879 week. We have a great guest lined up for you. But before we 22 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.519 get there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had any 23 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.079 counter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. 24 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.439 You can get me a Brian apparent Onmworld Productions dot com. Get head over 25 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.680 to the website, check it out, become a member there, and hope 26 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.079 support the show. As I said, we've got a great guest lined up. 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:06.079 I got to talk to Rob from Michigan and he's had gosh thirty years 28 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.439 worth of experiences with Sasquatch on the property that he used to own out there. 29 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.520 I'll let him tell you all about that, but there's some really interesting 30 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.439 close up encounters that we get into during his interview, So I think you're 31 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:22.360 really going to enjoy that. Through the magic of technology. While you're listening 32 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.199 to this right now, I'm probably on an airplane flying into Idaho for the 33 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:31.080 Squatchkohn Idaho on Saturday, August twenty sixth. If you can't join me Cliff 34 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:37.120 Barrickman, Doctor Jeff Meldrum, and Michael Freeman in person, have no fear. 35 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.120 You can go over to Squatchcon Idaho dot com. The link will be 36 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:44.360 right here in the show notes, and you can still purchase your virtual ticket 37 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.520 to attend online. All the details are right there. All you got to 38 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:51.400 do is click the link and you can be there with us in spirit virtually. 39 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:53.439 But I hope to see a ton of you guys there on Saturday. 40 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.560 I'll have a booth you can come by, I pick up some merch. 41 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.280 Say hello. I'd love to meet you guys. But enough of that. 42 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:00.840 I know you guys are here for the story, So I'm gonna stop talking. 43 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:23.560 You gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show. All right, 44 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:24.719 folks, I want to welcome my guests to the show. It is Robbed 45 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.360 from Michigan. Welcome to the show, Rob, Thank you for having me 46 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.039 absolutely man, So let's get right into it. I know you're here to 47 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:37.680 share some experiences that happened over several decades. Really, so why don't you 48 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:39.039 just take us back to where you were, what you were doing, and 49 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:43.360 tell us what happened to you when you had your first experience. My first 50 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.639 experience at my property in southern Lower Mission was it was in the year nineteen 51 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:52.400 ninety. I was hunting. I'm the property which we just bought from my 52 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.039 in laws. We haven't put the house on the property yet. I was 53 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.919 hunting with my sister in law, Chris. I pulled all the way up 54 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.000 to the river, the Kalamazoo River that cuts the property in half. We 55 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:11.039 just got out loaded our shotguns for deer season, we would have to use 56 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:15.199 waiers across the river to get to the other side at the time, and 57 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.879 all of a sudden, we heard this huge guttural growl. And since we're 58 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:25.639 living in farm area, it wasn't deer, was not cows or anything like 59 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:30.800 that, and it just echoed right through us, and my sister in law 60 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:34.319 said, let's just take off for a while and see what happens. This 61 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:40.920 was in the fall of nineteen ninety. I had a sneaky suspicion there was 62 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:46.199 stuff running around the property. I was always a believer in big foot ever 63 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.839 since I was a little kid. And then my first bootle experience with a 64 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:55.360 big foot happened two years later. After we start clearing the back part of 65 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.480 the property, would put a bridge across the river so we could cross easily 66 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.839 cross back and forth to the back part of the property. I was mowing 67 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:10.360 down back. It would push lawnmar in this little section we called the Nevada 68 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.680 shape, like state of Nevada. It was not very big, and all 69 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.319 of a sudden I heard heavy breathing over the sound of the bush lawnmar. 70 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:25.879 I was in this little corner between my neighbor's property and the swamp. I 71 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.639 looked up and there was a juvenile big foot about six foot tall, mail 72 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.680 about six feet from me. I was dead to rights. I knew I 73 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:39.920 was. If it was aggressive, it had easy chance of killing me if 74 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:46.680 it wanted to. It just buried its teeth and pupped out its chest and 75 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.199 just walked back into the brush, into the neighbor's property, into the swamps. 76 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:56.519 I would not go heck down there for another two weeks before I got 77 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.399 the courage to the mow again. This juvenile mail. I turned jor to 78 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.839 give you an idea, there's more than one creature that comes through the property. 79 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:12.120 It's a whole family of up to twenty individuals. At one time he 80 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:16.279 became a regular. He always tried to show he was tough and mean and 81 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:21.319 so on, show him sticks or something. When I'm down back. The 82 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:28.720 next time I saw another juveniles a female on the neighbors fields right across the 83 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:34.720 property line in the far back. She was tiding by a tree, watching 84 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:42.199 me dear hunt during the fall of that year. She wasn't aggressive or anything. 85 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.759 She just shy. She just was watching. He not only had me 86 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.759 honey and a blind that you could see, the farmer that owned the land 87 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.839 to the east of my property were also hunting. They were moving around. 88 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.240 I think she was trying to look for an easy meal. I watched her 89 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:03.360 about five ten minutes. I wasn't scared or anything, and she melted back 90 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:08.600 into the chadews. But from ninety two to ninety eight I had a flurry 91 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:15.519 of activity, always down back past the river. Seems like they made a 92 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.519 conscientious decision. No one goes past the river. He has a side, 93 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:24.560 we have our side. If he clears out brush and makes it a nice 94 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:30.120 woodland, opportunities to hunt or gather food. So being I've seen maybe four 95 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.439 adults during that period of time, one male and three females, and they 96 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.600 all seemed like they traveled in a group. I've seen a couple of big 97 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.720 foots. I couldn't tell this the genders or anything, but they were traveling 98 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:50.639 in pairs. What really shocked me was during the summer time they came out 99 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.560 of the woodwork any time of the day. I was mowing down back when 100 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:00.439 looked like an older male big foot, probably about eight foot maybe eight and 101 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.000 a half foot. All he just wandered past this little we called these, 102 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.680 or we didn't clear his little swampy areas we called islands, and he just 103 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.240 walked right by, looked at me, just kept on going without doing anything. 104 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.160 I was moll with a push lawnmore so, he wasn't scared of the 105 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.720 movers. He wasn't doing anything. He was just crossing from one property to 106 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.199 another property. Is he had at lamp. He looked like his arthritic I 107 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.800 think he was the patriarch of the band at the time. I assumed he 108 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.759 was the father of Junior, because I never got to see him again. 109 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:41.840 The elderly male but junior. When he became old adult, he became I 110 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.480 think he became the head of the group, and his aggressiveness waned as he 111 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:52.080 gotten older. Easier just to be male. Just leave him be of nineteen 112 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.159 ninety eight too, probably two thousand and one, two thousand and two. 113 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.639 I've never seen any activity by seeing the book prints around the back part of 114 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:05.360 the property. Make a long story short, I found a juvenile hand print 115 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.840 and the softer near our little lake that I used to own, two thirds 116 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:16.440 of it in the neighbor own the third of it on our side. The 117 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.360 dirt has always been soft no matter what, you can see a footprint. 118 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.440 Plus there was a little tiny hand print in the middle of it. That 119 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.600 was the first and second prince I've seen by the lake. There's always been 120 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:33.000 prints, but this is the first time I found it, And then I 121 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.960 found a bunch of others on the other side in the lake where we owned. 122 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.440 There was no activity for that period of time, and then it picked 123 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:46.720 up again right after we started trimming up around this little area where we was 124 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.399 going to put another deer blind. While I was trimming around it before my 125 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.639 phone when I'll start building the deer blind. They were watching into the neighbor's 126 00:09:54.759 --> 00:10:00.240 swamp to the north of us. I'm trying to orient the property in my 127 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.600 head, since I don't own it anymore. They were standing on little mounds. 128 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.519 You could see their heads peering over the brush. The brush was maybe 129 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:13.279 ten foot tall. The mounds were maybe about two to three feet tall. 130 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:18.720 They were just standing on watching. It was curious. Two thousand and ten, 131 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.720 maybe the ball of two thousand nine two ten. We had three gear 132 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.519 bonds on the property at the time. We just built this gear tower. 133 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.759 We called it. My phone in law wanted to use it, but arthritis 134 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.039 so on going up and down, so he gave it to me. And 135 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.679 right before deer season, probably around bowl season, I took my shot going 136 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.120 with me unloaded. I just wanted to make sure it felt comfortable going up 137 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.360 and down the ladder and just sit up there and watch. I was sitting 138 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.960 up there and I saw to the west of me another neighbor's property, big 139 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.120 foot maybe six foot seven foot tall, stand by a pine tree in this 140 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.000 brush. The leaves are starting to turn and everything, so it's you can't 141 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.879 miss a brown object standing near a pine tree. And it was just standing 142 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.679 there watching and I said, okay, he maybe watching me, No big 143 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.919 deal, not aggressive or sheets not aggressive. I just nored it. All 144 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:16.879 of a sudden, I see these two deer come out out the other neighbor's 145 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.200 property, crossing them through my property, right next to the deer tower, 146 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.120 and the little three spike buck kept looking behind him. I thought it was 147 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.759 maybe ah, not a buck that wasn't around. All of a sudden, 148 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:35.159 I see two shadows humming like shadows moving through the rush, and that spooked 149 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.960 deer drove him into the other neighbor's property where the first big foot was. 150 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.840 I watched them go in and I turned around. I didn't see the big 151 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:50.320 foot, but I heard commotion, and only last maybe ten seconds, I 152 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.720 knew what happened. Two big foots that were chasing the deer drove him into 153 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.039 the other one and probably took one or both. I couldn't find anyploy. 154 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.879 I wasn't going on the neighbor's pro during bow season since he bow hunting, 155 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.960 so I didn't want to bother him. That was the first time I ever 156 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:11.919 seen or even heard of big foots like that cooperatively. I've always heard maybe 157 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:18.799 they kill a deer or the famous incident up in the near Susea Maurie during 158 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:24.200 the winter of eighty or eighty one, where this hunter came across three mangled 159 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:30.840 deer by a oak tree, and there was big foot footprints by the tree 160 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.279 that spooked him and took off. That's what I read about. I tried 161 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.600 to put two and two together, said, maybe that's what they were doing 162 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.799 up there, and they're doing it down here. Vocalizations of them are unique. 163 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:48.120 I think I heard of them mimicking other animals. But there's a about 164 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.559 a mile from my house, the house I used to own. This guy 165 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:56.320 raised huskies and other dogs, and then they bread them and sold the puppies. 166 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.360 You can hear them banging and barking. After they stopped. You can 167 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:07.440 hear another dog bar same vocalization, but last quite right. I always assumed 168 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.320 that they were mimicking dogs. You don't hear whoops, so you don only 169 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.759 hear their yells and so on. And I think they're moved through the area. 170 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.759 Keep quiet, keep the tone down a little bit. Except for that 171 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.600 guttural gribe described back in nineteen ninety, I didn't see any big foots until 172 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.200 two ten. I was cutting wood during the summertime. Down there some trees 173 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.080 that were dying. Cut them down you use them to firewood. While I 174 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:41.159 was cutting down, the neighbor to the north of me had these huge oak 175 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.159 trees. When I was stopped, I was taking a break, and I 176 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:48.600 looked up and I saw what best described as a three year old walking around. 177 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.759 The limbs that were maybe a foot in diameter are bigger, just jumping 178 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.080 around and walking around like At first I thought I was seeing things. It 179 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.440 kept peering around the side, scared to me and watching me. At the 180 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:07.279 same time, I realized I had a very young juvie in the tree. 181 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.399 The way that these huge oaks were, they're clustered together. He had an 182 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.399 avenue to escape if he wanted to. I had thought to myself, if 183 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.720 he's around, or she's around, maybe I should leave because mom and dad 184 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:26.039 might not be too happy. But I didn't hear any crush. I didn't 185 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.720 hear any growls. I didn't hear anything, just a little juvie up in 186 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.480 the tree. And I decided, let's take a break for an hour, 187 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.960 let's see what happens. I went back to the house and came back no 188 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.360 sign of anything. So I kept cutting wood, and then from the period 189 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:48.360 of twenty twelve until probably two and twenty it was off and on sighting maybe 190 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.960 shadows. I tried to take a picture of him with my old cell phone 191 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.720 at the time, and I didn't get a clear picture of them. They're 192 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.360 always moving in the shadows and trying to s go around you, so they 193 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.080 wouldn't either not get seen or not bother me, one of the two. 194 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.399 If an animal sees you enough, i'll recognize you. If you don't bother 195 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.879 it, it doesn't bother you. But here's the funny thing, though, 196 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.440 I had a lot of juvies coming across the river down towards the house, 197 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.879 down towards the other side of the property where it's old barn was, and 198 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.960 they make the racket. They're throwing stuff, shaking brush. That bothered me 199 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.360 because this happened any time of the day. You have to watch yourself with 200 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.840 the juvies. As far as I'm concerned, the adults are not the ones 201 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.440 you worry about. It's the juvies. I've had them come as close to 202 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.759 the house along the fence line where you can see the glowing eyes, usually 203 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.360 about five foot to six and a half foot tall. I measured it where 204 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.919 I saw them out, and I also had a picture of a fifteen inch 205 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.399 by eight inch footprint up on the top of the drive. We call the 206 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:02.200 Platzaule because when they were building the road they dumped dirt in my property for 207 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.759 my bottom wall. The level off the top of the drive it was grassy 208 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:10.360 except for this one spot where during the wintertime, I got stuck and left 209 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.399 a nice dirt area. It was the left foot. It looked like it 210 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:21.360 stepped there and then jumped over the dirt driveway onto the grassy area. But 211 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.919 it's so funny is where that footprint was. It's wide open except for this 212 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:30.200 one pine tree behind it. Moscow rolled runs from in front of my property. 213 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.840 Not much traffic, maybe one or two cars. One of my fifty 214 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:38.679 walls kids who drive down to the house, she was a teenager at the 215 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.600 time, would want to see Grandma one nice She said there was a tall 216 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:47.600 man standing at the white pine trees on the other side of the property. 217 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.320 She and a younger niece of mine. They both insisted they saw a tall 218 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.720 man between the two three pine trees, and I said, okay, maybe 219 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:03.000 it's their imagination. I went over there for the day after they saw it. 220 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.759 There was a three or four footprints. It's bigger than the fifteen by 221 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.640 eight. I knew they weren't lying. I wasn't going to tell him they 222 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.119 saw a big foot. My mother in law doesn't believe in him. My 223 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:18.440 fond in law, who passed away six seven years ago, he knew they 224 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.759 were there, but he wouldn't speak of them. But he tried to make 225 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.799 fun of it, but he would mark or something, and then you could 226 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.920 see he got serious in its face. And I knew he knew. Last 227 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.599 year, right before I sold the property, I had a lot more juveniles 228 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.240 moving in to the swamps on the either side of the property. And you 229 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.079 could smell them. And there was no win and you could still smell them. 230 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.920 You could tell the difference between them and the dairy farms near my property. 231 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:51.279 It smelt like somebody had bad bo It was horrendous. Every time I 232 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.039 tried to split wood or something, that's when they came out of the woodwork. 233 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.200 During the daytime too, you can see the brush moving a little bit. 234 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.720 You could feel like you got eyes on you at all times, even 235 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:06.000 during the wintertime. I came home from work, I worked nights or even 236 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.319 mornings they had walmart. I would have to go down and get some extra 237 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.240 wood for the house for heating that day, and I was terrified going into 238 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:17.559 that barn where we kept the wooden tractors and everything else. One time I 239 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:22.000 saw footprints going in and out of that barn. I told myself, maybe 240 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.559 they're using it for shelter. But I just didn't like going into that barn 241 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.599 dead of night, no light. The only thing I had on me one 242 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:34.319 of those hunting hat lights that wouldn't give me enough light to scare off anything 243 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:40.799 that was about it. I never had any real serious confrontations with them. 244 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.839 We had a few weird incidences, like gutting brush. One day, a 245 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:48.880 stick comes flying back. It was launched not at us, but over our 246 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.480 heads. That was the only time they were any way aggressive. They never 247 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.640 threw rocks, they never did anything physical. Occasionally they atimidate by just being 248 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:02.279 there. I learned over the years that you just stay in your ground, 249 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.160 don't do anything, don't act aggressive, and they will just oh, this 250 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:07.960 game is not fun anymore, and let's go back to where we were. 251 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:12.200 So I want to go back a little bit and set the tone and paint 252 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.519 the picture for people about the property. When you're telling your story, there's 253 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.359 visualizing the area. So I like to paint the picture for what kind of 254 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.720 property this was, what was around you guys. The property was six point 255 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:30.839 eight acres. It sits on Moscow Road south of Horton. Neighbors all around 256 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.240 me, and my land is considered farmland even though it isn't. There's swamps 257 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:40.640 two properties down. There is a swamp regulated by a dam, and there's 258 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.480 also a DNR area swampy area where the second branch of the Kalamazoo River goes 259 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:52.119 through my property is a line and in a rectangular fashion, the main branch 260 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.480 of the Kalamazoo River splitz in in half. I had two little man made 261 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:02.960 channels branching off the Kalamazoo River both sides of the main branch. The second 262 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.240 little branch, or the second branch of the Kuntasey River, takes a little 263 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:10.119 slice out of the top part of the property where the Moscow Road is. 264 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:18.680 Stay tuned for more sasquat j otyssey right back after the east messages, I 265 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.079 have a kidney shaped lake, maybe a half an acre. I'm gonna keep 266 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.359 saying my former property. To make it more correct, my former property, 267 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.359 I owned two thirds of the lake. My neighbor to the south on the 268 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:36.039 third of it. There is farmland to the west of me, and then 269 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:40.599 behind there's farmlands, plenty of farmland, plenty of swamps, plenty of water. 270 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.440 It's just basically my property was basically a highway. I would say they 271 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:52.960 had a huge territory. I was told by Bigfoot researchers at southern Jackson County 272 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:59.960 northern Hillsdale County was one big Bigfoot territory. And there's swamps. The farm 273 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.359 to my west owned a little sliver land that's where the swamp is. There's 274 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:10.200 a man made channel that runs along the western side of the property. It 275 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:15.440 was a manimide channel for irrigation back in the twenties. And there's slopes swamp 276 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.599 land from the lake all the way up to the property line, and there's 277 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:25.960 like maybe three rushy areas on the western side. We never took out because 278 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.200 it's two swampy and we wanted the animals have a place to hide. That's 279 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.519 the best way I could describe it. The house set on eastern side of 280 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:41.079 the property, near the property line to another neighbor and the way the driveway 281 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.160 was. It snaked all the way up to the road from the house, 282 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:49.319 a little bit past the house, and there was two plateaus on the south 283 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:56.039 side of the second man made channel. Prostan house used to be a farm 284 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:03.160 land. Now we at that time we had fruit trees and blueberries and blackberries 285 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.920 alter that area wild and domestic, plus the three white pine trees. I 286 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:15.160 described it in one incident with my sister in law as kids, it's basically 287 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.640 triangle and then you got all these berries. I want to go back to 288 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.079 the physical description of the ones that you got to see during the couple of 289 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.759 incidents. You talked a little bit about how tall they were. You believe 290 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:29.720 they're most of them to be juvenile. Some of the adults that you got 291 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.920 to see over the years. Can you go into a more in depth sort 292 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.880 of physical description so me and the audience can get a picture of what you 293 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:40.240 were seeing. Did you get a good look at their face where they can 294 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:41.920 you talk about and the hair that kind of stuff, and just get the 295 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:49.200 physical layout of what you saw the different individuals. Their faces were very primitive 296 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:55.319 eight human, but like you see in Australian pistic scenes or whatever, that 297 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:59.839 kind. The adult males always has sagile press, not very big, but 298 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:04.519 big enough where it's noticeable. Females had rounded heads. They were fur covered, 299 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:08.759 hair covered except on the face. They had brown eyes. The fur 300 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:15.559 itself dependent on the individual junior. When I first saw him, he had 301 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.799 a reddish brown, but it became dark over time when I saw him as 302 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:26.160 he matured. And I forgot to mention one incident twenty nineteen where I saw 303 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.400 it basically prot the gemply from me running through the swamp, but all the 304 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.319 very young jewies ab scene. They were all black. There's fur was not 305 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.480 very long for the adults you know, are not yet elong, but long 306 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:42.839 enough where protect them from mosquitos. The females, you could tell there are 307 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.759 females. Of course I'm not going to get them that, but you can 308 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:49.000 tell they were males. When they got older, they started getting grayer. 309 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.519 It would start from the top of the head down as it was like a 310 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.880 gradual like the one I described the male that I saw. Also, they 311 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:03.319 would move through the property or through the area on a seasonal basis. They 312 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.440 never moved through the property during wintertime. They're always somewhere else. They're probably 313 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:14.200 foraging at other places where they know there's a bailability of food. The deer 314 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:18.160 population took a severe hit a few years ago because of the wasting disease and 315 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.200 so on, just devastated the deer populations. That's why I never saw hardly 316 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:26.599 any bigfoots during that time period. But when the deer population went up, 317 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.680 that's when they moved in. I think they had too many members because towards 318 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.559 the end before I sold the property, there was another group that I didn't 319 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:40.039 recognize. Like I said in twenty nineteen, there's a very young Julie running 320 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.440 through the swamp. It was clear because the brush was dying that year. 321 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.640 For some odd reason, they had a bad winner and the brush died off 322 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.680 and you could see right into the swamp. That's when I saw that great 323 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:55.119 foot Julie, and that really spooked me because it was too close or comfort. 324 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.960 I was cutting wood at the time on the fence line. I felt 325 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.720 like there was eyes. I mean, it wasn't the normal other ones I've 326 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.480 dealt with. I have a feeling that they were from the same group, 327 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:10.720 but they got too big, too many individuals in one area with these ones 328 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:14.640 never got to deal with me or seeing me, and I felt like I 329 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:19.039 was intimidated just by just standing there seeing this juvie. So I decided to 330 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.640 pack up my chainsaw and just get out of there expense i can, And 331 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.920 that was the last time I've seen any juvies that's small during the summer time, 332 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.039 and their activities is anytime they want. There's gonna be questions from the 333 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:37.119 audience. Obviously, anytime anybody has this kind of amount of activity on the 334 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:38.359 property, there's some questions that come up. So I'm going to get them 335 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.680 out of the way. For all the people that are listening, the first 336 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.519 question would be, you're having this interaction when you were mowing the grass and 337 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.079 this guy was standing, you said, six or eight feet away from you 338 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.200 while you were mowing the grass. I know this is subjective, and I 339 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.559 know you have no way of knowing this because obviously you can't read minds. 340 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.680 But looking back now, knowing what now, having that experience and all these 341 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:03.480 other experience, why do you think, hey, that it was exhibiting that 342 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.079 kind of behavior. Do you think it was just a curiosity. Do you 343 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:07.920 think it was an aggressive thing to let you know it was there? Have 344 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.319 you had thoughts on that and if so, what do you think that thing 345 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.559 was doing. My personal belief after all these years, was that I believe 346 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:21.240 it was trying to intimidate me. It did not like me being there. 347 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:26.000 At every opportunity to get it more aggressive and charge, it did not. 348 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.559 It could have hit me with its hand. Literally, my back was towards 349 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.640 a little tiny brush area and there was only one way in and one way 350 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.960 out of that area that we had it's time. I was definitely scared. 351 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.920 I was not going to go back there until I calmed down, and that 352 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.200 took two weeks. In hindsight, I should just, you know, show 353 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.480 that I'm part of this land, and whether or not you like me or 354 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.079 not, that's a whole different story. I wasn't going to start a tip 355 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.480 or tap with these things, even though I know, you know, they 356 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.680 could just a normy and just go on and marry a little way. One 357 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.400 of the other questions is about the prints that you were fine. Did it 358 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.039 cross your mind? Obviously, I think you said you did take at least 359 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:12.200 one photo of one of the prints. Do you have other photographs of the 360 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.880 evidence. Did you ever think about taking some boot castings to preserve the evidence, 361 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.880 How did you handle the footprints and the evidence that you did find. 362 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:25.720 The only footprint that I was clear enough for me to even have a picture 363 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.400 of was that one up on top of the drive. No one of them, 364 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.440 I could say, is the dirt whistle saft that you put a plaster 365 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.359 on it, it would destroy it. Yeah, there wouldn't meet any way 366 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:42.039 to preserve it. The other ones were on hard dirt along the fence line 367 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:47.680 even when it rains, and as hard as a brick around these trees. 368 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.880 The only time you could tell there was a print was during a rainstorm and 369 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.799 one of the big Foot's got fought in the rain. They would stop and 370 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:02.079 when the water would drain towards the like the gem swoop down towards the lower 371 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.680 areas, debris would form around the foot. You could tell it it's a 372 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.240 footprint, but you can't get a accurate picture of it, or if you 373 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.960 try to make a cast, it would destroy it because of the debris that 374 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.720 I came down during the rainstorm. What were you about to say is you 375 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.200 had at the house huge condator of a plaster of pairs I can make up 376 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:27.240 at any time. I kept that in my bedroom closet, so it never 377 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:32.000 got damp or anything, so I kept it dry as much as I can 378 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.559 until if I needed it. But for that footprint up on top, I 379 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:42.240 found it was muddy and then I've dried and then somehow I cracked and deteriorated. 380 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:48.039 So I do have a picture of that somewhere. The other thing that 381 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.279 I wanted to talk about was the mimicking. I found that very interesting. 382 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.599 The vocalizations are something that I've made no qualms about. It's one of the 383 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.519 most fascinating parts of this for me because we've heard weird things here on the 384 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:03.640 property and a ton of audio recordings out there. So I find it interesting 385 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.599 that you really weren't hearing some of the classic Ohio howls and other things that 386 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.920 people are hearing. But it was more about the mimicry. And I'll be 387 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.960 honest, I've said it to people in the past who have said they mimic 388 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.880 owls and things like that. My brain goes to Okham's razor. If it 389 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.519 sounds like an owl, it probably is an owl. But recently I was 390 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.720 talking to a gentleman who was on the show Johnny, who was here from 391 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.240 North Carolina, my home state. Johnny's episode was a couple of weeks ago, 392 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.519 and Johnny sent me some really interesting audio after I had him on the 393 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.519 show that he captured on one of his recorders he had left out in the 394 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.839 woods, and it was what sounds like a whoop kind of thing, like 395 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.920 a whoop, three or four of those in a row, and then you 396 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.880 hear what's obviously an owl, and then it sounds like it transitions to whatever 397 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.960 made the whoop in the beginning of the recording tries to mimic the owl sound 398 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.200 that was clearly an owl. For the first time ever me hearing something my 399 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.839 own ears, I perked up because it did not sound like an owl. 400 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.400 It literally sounded like whatever made the whoop heard the owl and then tried to 401 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:30.680 make the owl sound after me. Whoo whoo, whoop, whoop, whoo, 402 00:30:42.359 --> 00:31:11.839 whoop, up who uck whoop whoop. Luck. You mentioned the dogs 403 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.480 and stuff with your neighbors. Did you hear any other mimicry going on, 404 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.960 like the mimicking birds or even possibly people, or was it just normally the 405 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.359 dog sounds that you guys were here, Well, just normals the dog that 406 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.960 I heard. We seldom ever had owls, and if we did have, 407 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:32.880 all you can tell that they were an owl. There was no mimicking on 408 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.079 that. It was always the dog. When they start barking and then they 409 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.519 stopping, you get the long one or two. You also got the tree 410 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:44.119 knock. Sometimes you can hear it, but it's not loud enough where it's 411 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:48.119 like sticks out like a sore thumb, and say you had a small branch 412 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.160 and you hit the tree. You know, while you're playing around in a 413 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.039 summertime, most of the people are on their properties, not on the offshoot 414 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.440 properties. Like the farmer or that had that swamp plant. It annoy it 415 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.920 to me. He used as a hunting arena, but there was just the 416 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.559 dogs and maybe occasional tree knock. I tried whooping to get their attention. 417 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:14.119 I did that during one summer. You never got a response of even though 418 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.200 I felt that they were an area, they're probably thinking what is he doing 419 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:22.519 here? And here's the other big question that obviously everybody's going to have. 420 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.680 And it's something honestly, that comes up on the show quite often when people 421 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:31.039 have prolonged encounters over we're talking almost three decades this went on for you and 422 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:37.000 this property is did it ever cross your mind to try to get a video 423 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.440 a photograph put up some trail camps. Is that something that you tried having 424 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:46.200 these kind of interactions that you would have something as far as photographic evidence or 425 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.119 videos. Talk a little bit about that. What was your approach to that, 426 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.039 How did you look at that as far as part of what you were 427 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.119 doing. Is that part of what you wanted to do is capture these things? 428 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.039 And if so, what did you try? What worked and what didn't 429 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:04.079 work? Oh? I tried game trail cameras. I had three of them 430 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.880 scattered and pras that I knew where the deer there's obvious game trails where we 431 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:15.519 clear it out and it's like nice grassy forest area. I had game cameras 432 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.960 up running for four years, never got a picture of them, only deer. 433 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.680 One time a friend of mine who's a big foot investigator, shown me 434 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.519 one of his better quality game cameras. I put it up in a deer 435 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.759 blind facing out to where I knew they were coming in and out of. 436 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.920 Didn't take any pictures, not even the deer. It's almost like like they 437 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.400 knew where they were at all times. I hit them even into the deeper 438 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.000 into the brush where there's a line of sight from the where it wasn't obscured 439 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:53.200 or the game tracker would be gone because of the brush moving. And I 440 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:59.039 still didn't get any. Like I said, I tried various vocal tree knocking 441 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.400 a free knocked back, but I doubt it was them because it was a 442 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.039 single knock. I not three or four times, and I got a single 443 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.599 one back. I didn't think it was a big foot at that time. 444 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.639 No, for the fact that another thing I used to do was when I 445 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.679 had my dog, Rebo. She was a mixed hit lab child mix, 446 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.199 and I would take her down back walk her around. There's certain areas where 447 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.639 she would stop. She would knock across that area. So I knew from 448 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.719 various reports that people or researchers use dogs. The dogs would not across a 449 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:44.519 known trail or whatever. They only showed themselves when they wanted to be seen, 450 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.400 except for the julies that's a whole different story. But the adults is 451 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.239 when want to be seen during the time when we were clearing the brush, 452 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.960 we're on the lake to put a cabin on their back. When I first 453 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.639 bought the property, they play hide and seek, pop up and then disappeared 454 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.559 there Only last for a few minutes and then they're gone. Like I said, 455 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.880 they know what's going on, and I think they know where the cameras 456 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.800 are where, whether they can see infrared or not, that's all I'm not 457 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.159 speculating on that. I believe they're intelligent. Animals are not what people are 458 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:28.159 saying, they're mystic animals or whatever. I just believe they are flesh and 459 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.840 blood animals that are highly intelligent and now they're getting wise to humans. Depends 460 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.159 on where they live. Southern Mower, Michigan. There's five highways to get 461 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:45.719 into the areas bigfood areas, and I've researched it and there are five natural 462 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:51.559 highways to get into this area into Southern Mower, Michigan. Because you have 463 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.360 the rolling hills and then you have these high these sort of little values are 464 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.400 natural funnels. You have large hills and then you have the swamp them. 465 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.880 It's hard to try to do something like a game trackers. If you put 466 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.360 them in the swamp, you don't know if you're going to get back to 467 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.199 them or not. What seasons brains is on. You're not going to get 468 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.239 back there for a month and a half, and the batteries be dead. 469 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.440 Like got damaged or whatever. And after you sold the property, you may 470 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.360 or may not know kept track of what was going on there or not. 471 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.679 Do you know if the activity there continued with the new owners, Have you 472 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:29.119 ever followed up with that or even people in the area having other experiences or 473 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:34.000 encounters. Stay tuned for more sasquat joyously. We'll be right back after these 474 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:40.599 messages. Most of the people that you know there are things out there. 475 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.639 They won't talk about it, but they don't want to be ridiculed or whatever. 476 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:50.239 But they consider these animals part of the nature. And even the farmers 477 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.599 they're willing to lose maybe ten percent of their corn crops that of losing a 478 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.599 cow or so. There's a tradeoff. And there's a lot of corn fields, 479 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:05.639 a lot of soy bean fields. There's two major dairy operations. They 480 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.239 might come in and snag grain. Why have the cow when you've got easy 481 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:14.519 pickings on the grain when you have huge mounds of it. The Sears farm, 482 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.400 for example, on Reynolds Road, about a couple of miles down from 483 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:24.679 about former property, they have huge mounds of grain. They feed their dairy 484 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.800 herd every day and it's easy pickings. They don't even have to hide. 485 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.639 They could just water it up and grab whatever they feel like eating and then 486 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.119 disappearing back into the woods. What you describe. There's tons of stuff around 487 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.119 there for them to eat, so I don't think eating and or having a 488 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.920 water source would be an issue at all. It's prime real estate for them. 489 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:50.639 The problem is it's some parts starting to build up now, so I 490 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.920 don't think they're being driven out. I think they're being more cautious in their 491 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.960 approach to humans. As long as humans are not taking a shotgun and trying 492 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.880 to shoot them, then they have no problem with humans. They exploit humans 493 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.119 in a way. Like I said about deer season, if you can't find 494 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.840 your deer that you're harvested it within fifteen minutes, you're probably never gonna find 495 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:16.320 it. I've seen big foots during the first day of deer season just gather 496 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:23.360 two or three or four gathering along my western side, not looking towards me, 497 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.440 but looking at the farmers because he always has ten or fifteen hunters, 498 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.679 and they shadow him along the brush. Just to exploit a deer that they 499 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.519 couldn't find. They grabbed him, run off as fast as they can without 500 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.639 making too much racket. I've seen one who was it. I stopped hunting 501 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:47.320 about fifteen two sixteen because I lost the urge of hunt after my bottle will 502 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.639 passed away. I was doing it for him more or less. And the 503 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.559 last time I went out there, I saw one big foot shadow a group 504 00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:00.320 of three men far enough way where they couldn't see him. They shout of 505 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.440 deer, and I saw run towards him, towards the big foot. I 506 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.679 heard it drop and all I could hear from the hunters is where's the damn 507 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.679 deer? Where's the damn deer? And they couldn't find it. They found 508 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.639 the blood trail, and then it stopped, and then they couldn't find pick 509 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.519 it up again. So I think what they're doing is exploiting the humans. 510 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.719 If they're not going to make a show a force out of stealing a deer 511 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:30.599 in front of them, but if they can get an easy meal, they 512 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.320 would along. In Moscow Rogue, there's been many instances where I've seen a 513 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.519 deer that got hit. During the wintertime, right you could see about ten 514 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:44.440 or twelve carcasses. You see a few that were gone all of a sudden. 515 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:49.599 You can see see something pulled it over the embankment into the farmer's fields. 516 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.320 You can see the drag mark, so you don't see the footprints. 517 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.119 It's like they got on their knees and just reached knowing it was a fresh 518 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.360 kill. I didn't see it see them do it, but I've seen the 519 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.639 after matter. I stopped one time after I saw I knew there was this 520 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.559 big buck. That guy hit my phone long wanted me to stop after I 521 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.400 got back from work, try to ascertain if the meat was good. It 522 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.880 was a rogue hill. It's not like you're going to get in trouble. 523 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:22.199 And it was right after the day after pre season ended, summer third and 524 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.599 I went back to see if I can get it or get the handlers anyways, 525 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.880 and I saw it dragged up and over the berm into a field, 526 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.760 and that was the last I saw the drag marks. The snow was maybe 527 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.639 about an inch and a half, but in the fields where the wind picks 528 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:46.519 up and blows it blew the snow off. If it was kneeling or whatever, 529 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:51.960 you wouldn't see the tracks. So you know, there's no reason to 530 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.599 poach livestock. Yeah, definitely makes sense, man, Rob. I appreciate 531 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.599 you coming on and sharing your stories. Man, it's been fascinating stuff. 532 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.360 I never heard some of the things that you said, which is very interesting 533 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.920 to me. Having those kind of encounters that close up is rare. So 534 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.119 I appreciate you coming on and sharing your stories. Okay, same here, 535 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:17.559 sir. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. 536 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:52.599 I don't want to feel we're all out that. Try to try that chime 537 00:41:52.880 --> 00:42:01.880 everything, color bride back Joy for me to stay right. Do you call 538 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:45.000 it right away? Sad said yes, still said side stout time, don't 539 00:42:46.360 --> 00:43:15.199 bout I'll try for me, call me right asssssssssssss