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Thank You podcast joint host Hoho as
he discusses the riveting Netflix original series Black

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Mirror. Now Here he is for
broadcasting from the Cottage Studio. Welcome to

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Black Mirror Podcast and as always,
I'm your host, ho Ho. So

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hi, y'all was doing I hope
you're doing good? I really do so.

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Have you alas ever had one of
them moments where man, I'm an

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idiot? Have you ever had the
moments? Because I certainly did. Because

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I know, whenever I originally did
the episode for Uss Calister, I I

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thought that the actor that played the
main you know, the main guy,

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Robert Daily or Dally however they pronounced
it. We'll call him, We'll call

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him Robert. I thought it was
Matt Damon. I really did, you

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know, but you know, it
was kind of a chameleon type of a

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thing. Okay, you think of
some other you know, actors out there.

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You know, Christian Bale definitely comes
to mind. You know, he

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has changed his physique everything for the
sake of a role. You know,

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I remember whenever I've seen the trailer
for Vice. You know, it took

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me a minute. It's like,
holy crap, that's Christian Bale. You

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know, and he completely changed what
he looked like for the role. You

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know, when several other actors out
there, you know, they've done the

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same kind of thing. Okay,
And I come to find out that the

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guy who actually played Bob in this
episode was Jesse or Jess Plemons. You

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know this guy right here, let
me go and pull that up there you

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go him now? I mean,
look, he could pass as you know,

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at least Matt Damon's brother, at
least in this picture from two thousand

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and seven. So I mean,
come on, it wasn't outside the realm

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of possibilities. But anyway, this
guy, you know, Jesse Plemons,

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he's been in quite a few different
things too. I mean he was in

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you know, thirteen different episodes of
Breaking Bad. And one of the things

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that I remember him from is being
in the movie Battleship, you know,

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underrated movie. Excellent movie, by
the way, and but you know,

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but there you go, you know, And I discovered this because I was

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looking up another actor who plays James
Walton, the CEO in USS Callister,

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and that was actually, you know
this guy right here. It was Jimmy

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Simpson. You know. I he's
been in you know, the TV series

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Breakout Kings. And then the thing
that I most remember him from, or

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at least the first thing I've seen
Men was in Stephen King's Rose Red.

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Amazing movie, you know, great
horror movie. Of course it's Stephen King,

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you know. So we're gonna go
ahead and talk about this now.

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Of course we are talking about you
know, the season four episode one,

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Uss Callister. Spoiler alert, because
we are going to be talking about the

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episode and then at the end we're
going to be exploring some things on here.

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I'm excited about it. Now.
This episode opened up ridiculous. Okay.

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Now, whenever season four first came
out, you know, the first

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thing that I've seen was, you
know, the trailer of it, of

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this episode, Uss Callister, you
know, of the you know, the

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first trailer for the season, you
know, and I'm like, dude,

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this this reminds me of you know, Star Trek, you know, not

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growing up, I mean, I
was a treky man. I was into

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you know, Star Trek the next
generation, you know, Captain Jean lu

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Picard first Officer, whoever that guy
was, who did play I don't remember

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the character, but anyway, you
know, that's what it reminded me of.

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You know, and it was very
reminiscent of the original William Shatner version,

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you know, a star check.
It was very reminiscent of that,

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but extremely cheesy. I mean,
holy crap, you know, I mean

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this the opening scene on this was
so cheesy. Holy cow. And watching

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this, it's like, is this
a you know, is he daydreaming?

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Is this a you know, just
a fantasy thing? I mean, what's

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going on? And you're really confused, or at least I was, I

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was really confused on the what's going
on at this time? And it cuts

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from you know, the opening scene, and you got him coming off the

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elevator in real life, and you're
like, okay, here we go.

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Now we're actually getting into the show, right, you know, Now now

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we're getting into it. And he
is, you know, Robert is a

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you know, just really passive guy. People just walking all over him,

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you know, just treating him bad, you know, the whole nine yards,

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and you feel bad for the guy, you know, and you're really

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kind of starting to despise and hate
you know, the other people that are

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in the office. Okay, and
Robert is you know, he's the CTO,

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the the the chief technical officer.
I believe that's what his title is

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of this company, uss of Callister
Incorporated. He's the you know, he's

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he's the you know, he's the
brains behind the entire operation, you know,

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overlooked, mistreated, the whole nine
yards, you know, and the

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CEO, James Watson, I'm sorry, James Walton, which is played by

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you know, the the Jimmy Simpson. You know, he walks all over

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him, treats him as a person
whom just doesn't really matter, and he

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kind of feels sorry for Robert because
it's like, dude, you know,

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he's the one person in the company
that you remove him from it and the

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whole entire company falls apart because he
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he's the you know, the brains
behind the game that they are creating called

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Infinity, Okay, and it's like, wow, you know without him,

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without Robert, none of this is
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of feels sorry for him. And
then you know, he gets home smart

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home by the way, and of
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Yeah, I mean we're talking about
a futuristic type of you know technology,

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just world at their end, so
obviously it's a smart home. And

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then he gets on his computer and
he opens up this game and to see

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that it is a moded version of
the Infinity game that they are creating.

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And that's when you really start to
see just how sick Robert is, you

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know, because in life he's passive, you know, in life, he's

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he gets walked all over. But
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this moded version of Infinity that they're
in, he is mean. He is

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sick, he is twisted. He
takes out all the aggression, and you

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know, the person whom he wishes
he was in life is the person that

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he is in this game. But
even still, you don't truly grasp how

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sick he is until a little bit
later, whenever, at least in his

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head, the newcomer that arrives to
the company, you know, kind of

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passes him, I don't want to
say passes him by, but you know,

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kind of starts seeing him, in
a matter of speaking, in the

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same light that everybody else in the
office sees him in. And he feels

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wrong by that. Okay, something
that you would think would be tiny and

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trivial, but he's just he's angry
about this, and so he takes.

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He gets a sample of her DNA, and he uploads that DNA into his

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computer and puts her in his moded
version of this game. And this is

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where you truly start to see just
how sick Robert really is. It's like,

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holy crap. You know, he's
the as as they describe, you

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know, he's the god of this
universe. I mean, he can do

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virtually anything he wants to. And
you find out that everybody in this you

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know, in his modred version of
this game, everybody in there are people

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that he did the same thing too. He got their DNA, he put

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them in this game, and he
just broke them, you know. And

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through the course of the show,
you know, the first person that was

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put into this game was the CEO
Walton, and what he did to break

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Walton was unthinkable. I mean,
holy cow, because he was a able

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to get the d DNA of Walton's
kid I think his name was Tommy,

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I don't remember, and he killed
him. Wow. I mean, dude,

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Now you want to talk about a
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that they completely changes throughout the course
of this episode because in the beginning,

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you know, you because you don't
know what's going on. You kind of

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feel sorry for you know, for
Robert. You know, you feel sorry

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for him because here's a guy who
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Without him, none of this is
possible, and he's getting walked all over

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and he's getting made fun of.
He's you know, just overlooked. He's

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not respected, you know, and
you you hate everybody else in it,

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or at least you dislike everybody else
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and then you're like, you see
the digital copies of them in the

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game, and you feel sorry for
them, and you start to really hate

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just because of how sick Robert is. You start to hate him. And

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we talk about a complete change in
dynamics of how you feel about different people

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in this Holy crap, you know, I mean wow. And then the

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newcomer in this, you know,
the guy who or I'm sorry, the

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gal Nanette I think is what Yeah, Nanette, you know, she just

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doesn't accept her fate. You know. They figure out a way where they

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can communicate with people in the outside
world, and they devise a plan to

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get out. They execute that plan. You know, they destroy the samples

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of where Daily got or Daily got
Robert got you know, the DNA from

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to where they can't do this again. You know, he can't do this

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again. And they escape through a
wormhole that was an update patch for the

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game, and they completely you know, leave and abandoned the game. You

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know, they're into the cloud of
the actual game itself, that the moded

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version of the game is completely wiped
away and on. You know, so

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everybody on the crew was now free, and then they cut back to you

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know, Robert, and now he's
he's stuck in the game without any way

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of getting out of the game because
they took his communicator, which was the

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means by which he was able to
control everything. So now he's in the

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game. And then the game deletes
itself because of this patch, and with

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this being a modern version of the
game, it deletes the entire thing.

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And you get the sense that,
you know, Robert is now stuck in

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limbo, stuck in this game indefinitely. You know, that's that's the feeling

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that they give you. You know. Now, Okay, this is an

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aspect about myself that I kind of
hate. Okay, because I'm of two

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minds, Because yes, whenever I'm
watching an episode, absolutely I take it,

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you know, for what it is. I watch most everything for this

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for the entertainment value of it.
Okay, I don't generally overanalyze a lot

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of the shows I watch, but
at the same time, I still kind

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of do because after watching this,
you know, at the end, I

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mean, granted, okay, you're
watching this episode and you you cheer the

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crew of the USS Calister He's like, yes, they got out. And

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then you're like, yes, Robert
is getting his up and commings and you

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cheer that. You know, he's
locked in this game forever. But that's

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that's when my mind went, wait
a second, they lost me. You

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know that this wouldn't actually happen like
that. I mean, you know,

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for one, you know, it's
like you would think the technology, the

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thing that they used to interface you
know, you into the game, that

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that would have some type of a
safety protocol in there, you know,

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I mean, it's like the most
obvious problem that a game would have,

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or at least as something would have, you know, the game crashed whatever,

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you know, the safety protocol that
would be put in there, that

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this wouldn't actually happen. And then
you have the other aspect of you know,

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the same thing that happened to the
crew, which whenever they were able

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to escape the home computer and then
go into the cloud, that the mod

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would be deleted and then they would
be in the actual game. That the

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same thing would happen here the mod
would be you know, taken away,

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and he would be in the updated
version of the game. Why did it

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only work for them when they left? But it didn't work for him,

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you know. And these are just
some of the things that this is where

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I was like, no, no, but even still, you know,

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it's an aspect of yes, you
know, Robert finally got his up and

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comings. Now let's go ahead and
explore some of the different aspects about this

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did I really find intriguing? Now, look, I am a huge fan

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of Black Mirror. I really am, because it's it's just show that it's

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or at least how how I look
at it. You know, it's it's

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say, how people communicate with people, how people or I'm sorry, how

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people interact with people, how people
interact with technology, and how people interact

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with people through technology. These are
some of the aspects of Black Mirror that

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I find most intriguing. Of course, I like the technology aspect of it

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too. So let's explore the aspect
of you know, the digital cloning or

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making a digital copy of somebody.
You know, So, I mean,

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how how far away do you think
we are with this type of technology?

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And I mean, granted, okay, this is another aspect of it where

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they lost me in the episode,
all right, because it's like, you

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know, there, he's not handsferring
the consciousness of these people into his computer.

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It's a DNA thing. The DNA
isn't going to have all the memories

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that the actual person has. It
would be like a newborn person, you

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know, memory and everything would be
basically completely wiped because that wouldn't actually technically

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be the same person, just maybe
look like it based off of whatever.

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But anyway, you know, that's
an aspect where it lost me on that

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one too. But let's let's assume
that it's possible on this aspect. Okay,

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let's let's let's just go with how
they're using it. Yes, it

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could be done like this, but
how far away do you think we are

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with the whole making a digital copy
of somebody? How far away do you

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think we are on that? You
know, because it would I mean,

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think about it, It would be
really awesome, wouldn't it? You know,

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I mean take a famous person that
has passed on, you know,

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or just anybody in your life being
able to, you know, in a

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computer or simulation, what have you
in a you know, in the digital

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space, being able to have a
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somebody like you know JFK. Somebody
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Lincoln, somebody like Martin Luther King
Junior, you know, any of these

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type of guys you know, or
even a family member. How awesome would

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that be? Now? Of course, I mean you have the aspect of

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just like what they're exploring in this
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even still, I mean, how
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it would be pretty stink and cool. I mean, I'm just saying that

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would be pretty stink and cool.
But how far away do you think we

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actually are from that type of thing, you know, being able to digitally

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clone, digitally copy somebody, you
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that we've already seen, you know, they're they're mapping of the you know,

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the genome project with with DNA in
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how how far away. Do you
do you truly think we are with

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that type of technology? You know
what, where do you think we all

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wrong that? You know? What
do you see as possible risk versus reward

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and that type of technology? You
know, these are the things that intrigue

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me, you know what. You
know what I'm saying. So where do

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you see that? How do you
see that? And the other aspect of

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this I would like to you know, touch base on it's just with with

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VR in general, you know that, or at least comparing this which I

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don't know what you would technically call
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this versus VR, I mean,
do you see this as a you know,

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a stepping stone after VR or the
you know, a version of VR

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and next progression of VR, because
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with VR, you know it,
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like or at least in virtual reality, like what they kind of lay out

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in the movie Ready Player one.
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to a place to a point,
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getting close to that, you know, with the advancement of it to a

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point like Ready Player one. Okay, so I really see that as a

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you know, way more achievable a
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they're using in USS Callister, because
in USS Callister it's it's an uplink that

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that makes it, you know,
that that puts you your consciousness into a

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game. You know. And so
which one would you like to see?

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one version of VR or would you
like to explore this type of interface with

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a truly digital version of yourself?
I mean personally, this type of thing

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to me would be amazing, you
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right, you know, because in
in the movie Ready Player one, you

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know, you got the headset,
which you still got the earphones or the

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earphones, Yeah, the headphones and
the microphone, and you know they're they're

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wearing this body, so you get
them, you know, the physical feedback

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of things that are happening in you
to give you a little bit more realism.

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You know, they got the the
the every directional treadmill that you're on

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to where you can actually move and
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of like how we are now.
So I mean, yeah, that's all

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great, fine, and dandy in
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they're using in US, as Calister, wouldn't you much? I would much

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rather love to see that. So, I mean, do you see this

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type of technology as a progression from
VR? And how would you feel about

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being the guinea pig of that?
And I mean, granted, okay,

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we've kind of touched base on this
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Christmas. I think that's the one. No, that's not it. No,

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not White Christmas. What was that
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Wasn't that one? It was?
Playtest? Was was the the episode?

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Yeah? Play test? Yeah?
Season three, episode two, plays tests

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awesome type of thing. And I
know we talked about that a little bit

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and that, you know, but
even still, you know, how would

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you I personally would love to see
this type of technology as a progression to

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VR? You know. I mean
granted, you know, like VR would

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be awesome virtual reality, augmented reality, but this type of thing much better

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in gameplay, much better in other
aspects. I think it would be pretty

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stinking awesome. So what's your opinion
on that? You know, what's your

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what's your thoughts, your you know, your reward your you know, what

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could be bad as far as doing
digital cloning or digital copying of people?

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And what are your thoughts on this
type of progression with VR? You know,

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what are your thoughts on that?
Would you like to see that,

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would you like to experience that?
What is your downfalls that you think that

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that type of technology would have?
You know, the pros, the cons,

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the whole nine yards. Let me
know what you think on that.

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Let me know doubt in the comments
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to hear what you have to say
on that one. All right, So

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that is all I got for you
for today. So as a quick update

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on Black Mirror, Yes, season
six has been released, all five episodes.

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I am totally excited about that.
Now, I'm not going to jump

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into that right away, Okay,
I'm going to continue with the with revisiting

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my favorite episodes of each season and
talking of which the next episode that I

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cover. I'm kind of tossing around
whether I'm going to be doing episode three

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Crocodile, or if I'm going to
just jump right ahead to episode four,

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Hang the DJ. Because Hang the
DJ was awesome. I'm definitely going to

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be revisiting that episode. Loved it. But I'm still tossing around whether I'm

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doing Crocodile or not. You know, I don't know, definitely doing Hang

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the DJ. Don't know if I'm
going to be doing Crocodile or not.

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Haven't decided. I don't know.
I have no idea. But after we

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revisit the rest of episode four and
then revisit episode five and Band or Snatch,

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of course, we'll be getting into
season six. I'm excited to see

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what they do with it because,
as I've talked about previously, you know,

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they upped their game on production value, on you know, with their

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budget, the whole nine yards.
They from everything that I have heard about

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season six, they really upped their
game. So I'm excited to get into

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it, and we will all in
due time. So that's all I got

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for y'alls for today, Have yourself
a wonderful day until next time. Thank

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you for listening to the Black Mirror
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