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Hey everybody, and welcome to another
episode of my JavaScript Story. This week

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we're talking to Fairzod. Do you
want to just give a brief introduction to

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who you are and why you're important? Sure? Thanks, Charles, thanks

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for having me so. I'm Charza. I'm a developer working at a company

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called Epic Games and kind of living
in Helsinki and Finland with my lovely wife

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and we had you on React Round
Up. The episode went live in

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September talking about state machines the state
charts. That sounds right, yeah,

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yeah, So what is it that
you actually do, because I can't imagine

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you designed state machines all day,
every day. Actually, for the past

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couple of months, it's been one
of my main duties. I work to

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design and refactor all the existing logics
and behaviors of the product. Oh wow,

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into working sch charts using the Excessate
library by David Kership. Oh cool.

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That sounds really interesting. Now what
does Epic Games do then it's it's

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it's a gaming company, definitely.
That is the main company sponsoring the open

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source Unreal Engine, which is the
engine that you developed games with, and

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it essentially has a store product kind
of like Esteem and a set of online

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services that me and my team work
on. Nice. Very cool. So

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the Unreal Engine, I usually think
of that as like what C C plus

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plus? So is there a React
component to that or were you brought on

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to talk about just state machines on
a React podcast. I was a guest

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of React podcast because of the topic
gave us Machines and Reaction last year.

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But getting back to Unreal, I
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games using that engine is in C
and C plus plus, but there might

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be an upcoming scripting language kind of
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couple of months. There were some
talks about it, but I'm not really

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sure because I'm not aware of the
roadmap. Nice, very cool. Well,

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let's dive into your programming history and
find out, you know, kind

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of where you came from and and
how this all came came about. How

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did you get into programming as a
teenager. I used to always been interested

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in mathematics and physics. I guess
I wasn't aware of my interest in programming

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until I went to college. And
on the first semester of college, I

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remember we had a course on how
to write programs with Pascal and See and

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then that was a moment that was
like one of the aha moments. I

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said, Oh, okay, I'm
really interested in this in the stoic and

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it's quite cool to be able to
code and program and get the machine to

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do whatever you want. So that
was that was the starting moment that I

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realized, Oh, I am really
interested in programming. And it's been a

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really long story since. But I
guess you have more questions until Yeah,

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I'm just curious. I mean,
what was it that that made you go,

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oh, this is this is what
I want to do, this is

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what I want to be. So
my academic background, the thing that I

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was studying college was aerospis engineering and
astrophysics. That was totally unrelated to what

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I do at the moment. But
along the way, when I was studying

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college, I was dealing with programming
in different ways, scientific programming using Python

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like software such as Mathematica or matt
Lab, and I was always kind of

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dealing with some sort of programming,
but not with programming in general. Then

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one of my teachers in college once
called me to his room and said that

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I am trying to find interested people
in maintaining the database is skill for the

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educational software that we have in college, and I thought that I could handle

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that. So he taught me PHP
and my school and I got into women

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engineering from there. Then I get
interested in fort rain, a bit,

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a bit of pathound for web programming, and then it just started from there

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and that there was like HG CSS
along the way, too. Nice.

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So you've kind of gone through all
of it. I wouldn't say all of

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it, I think just scratched the
service, right. So where did you

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wind up settling? Then? I
was studying aerospace and aerospace engineering and astrophysics.

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But then I gradually realized that I'm
interested in programming and I want to

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take that as my career for the
life. So I dropped out of the

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college on last semester, totally revolutionary
decision, dropped all my career in that

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field, and started learning web programming
from scratch on the web. I took

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some public courses on code Academy,
free co camp and these websites and started

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learning how the program in jobscrapeg on
CSS, and after a couple of months

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I applied to my first got into
it and it's been seven years. Almost

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nice. You've been doing web development
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Yeah, mainly web development, a
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development too, gotcha? So?
And has it been mostly in what?

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Mostly in JavaScript? Actually? I
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Python a bit, but then I
got really interested in kind of designing using

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amail and CSS. Then I got
really deep in CSS and then started working

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with JavaScript and jQuery and Gladia yes
along the way, and then React happening

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in twenty fifteen, and it's been
just reaction since. Nice. So what

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made you get into JavaScript? Because
I mean, for a long time,

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JavaScript was kind of the red headed
step child in web development, right it

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was. It was stuff that nobody
really wanted to do. So, yeah,

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that's kind of a hard question to
answer, you know, because JavaScript

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has always been treated as a kind
of scripted language that you decorate your mouths

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point around the web with things like
a snowing or raining effects under blogs if

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you remember the old dark days.
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interested in JavaScript because of jQuery and
being able to actually program dynamically and get

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things done on the wrong time instead
of just estatically designing using cs as and

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STMO. And I think I wanted
to take my programming experience further to the

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next level. And well, I
think JavaScript had an empire for like the

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past twenty years in the web,
so I would say there wasn't any other

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option, right, So what is
it that you like about JavaScript? I

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mean, there are a lot of
ways you can go do development, even

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web development. So I think the
most important thing I liked about JavaScript language

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per se is how flexibil it is. You can almost do anything with it.

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Given the JavaScript is the universal language
at this point, you could design

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your whole product from different different layers
and stacks of the software, from server

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to mobile to desktop, web using
just JavaScript. And this flexibility is just

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amazing. It's so much power,
and I feel like I'm having full control

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over the whole software and the product
and working done using JavaScript, and it

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just feels good. It kind of
like drinking red bull along the way.

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How did you get into React?
I remember I was super interested in jQuery,

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but then when whenever I wanted to
develop complicated, complicated applications for front

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end using jQuery, it just got
out of control after a time, And

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then I got introduced to angler Ja. Yes, but Angler never never felt

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right for me, although it was
a very powerful framework. And it was

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twenty fifteen when there were some early
doctors of React, and there has been

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some word out that Facebook is developing
an open source rendering library called React.

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I remember that at that time,
React had like these weird APIs like React

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created class and stuff that was totally
terrifying at that point, but I gave

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it a shot and I liked it
more more than other tooling I had in

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Jouscrap already, so it just took
off from there. I guess it felt

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really good to be able to declaratively
define what you want instead of imperatively,

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you know, manually doing whatever you
want to do before. So I think

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it just felt right. Early in
my career I figured out which jobs were

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worth working at and which ones were
mostly by trial and error. I created

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a system that I used to find
jobs and later contracts as a freelancer.

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Buy the book at devchat dot tv
slash job Book. That's devchat dot tv

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slash job Book. It's so funny
to me how when we get into software,

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there's a lot of you know,
this works, this doesn't work.

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You know, people talk about how
mathematical it is and things like that,

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and then when it comes down to
picking your language or your framework, it's,

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well, it just felt right.
I guess, like the right things

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that happened to you in your life
are quite hard to explain. And finding

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the programming language that is just right
for you that is like the total fit

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for your personality and your ways of
thinking is one of those decisions and one

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of those moments that happened in your
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explain, in my opinion. Yeah, I think I agree. I mean

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I got into Ruby right and I
kind of felt the same way, and

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I couldn't put my finger on what
it was. But I had done PHP,

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I had done some other programming languages
Java, and yeah, Ruby just

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felt natural to me. And yeah, I mean I can kind of pick

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out some of the rubyisms now that
make that kind of a difference. But

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yeah, I see where people kind
of settle in and you know, it's

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like okay, you know, because
I know people that feel very natural and

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react and so or in angular or
in view and so as they adopt those,

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yeah, you know, they can't
necessarily quantify why, but it's a

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happy place for them, right.
It might be a hard question to answer

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for me in terms of JavaScript and
why it shows it. But talking about

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React as my favorite tooling these days, I can probably point out a couple

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but React per se, like we have

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a view JS and angler js already, and there's like his felt that has

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its own community. These are all
amazing efforts. But the fact that I

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like the only reason that I really
enjoy using React and I just stick to

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it all the day is that React
is just trying to do one thing for

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me, and I don't want to
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So yeah, exactly. So it's
it's kind of like a tool that claims

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to be doing one thing and doing
that great, and it gives me enough

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flexibility while doing this job the way
it should do it. So that's the

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feeling. Absolutely. So we talked
a little bit about what you're working on

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at work. Are there other projects
that you're working on these days? Well,

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after last year, which was like
a very long year for me with

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all the traveling and conference docks.
I decided to set down this year and

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focus on my career more or less
on the side projects that we all abandoned.

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So yeah, I mean, besides
working at the office, I spend

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most of my time trying to work
on my side projects. I have a

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couple of products I'm working on,
trying to finish them up and get them

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out as soon as possible. There
are a couple of development experience tools that

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I'm trying to publish for open source, and a couple of books that I'm

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trying to read and just left unfinished. Yeah, books you're trying to read.

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Yeah, I'm curious what those are. Well, coming from from not

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an academic background, like from not
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background means that you're going to have
an imposter syndrome along the way all the

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time, right, They're going to
feel like there are a lot of things,

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there are like a lot of gaps
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for me. So I just choose
a book called the Imposter Handbook, which

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teaches you the whole computer science program
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science history and other topics are related
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them properly, trying to learn algorithm, data structure, simply things like that.

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So next time when you're in a
technical discussion and some people from computer

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science background are talking about like graph
theory, you actually have a clue what

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they're talking about. Yeah, I've
heard about that one before. I'm trying

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to remember who it's by Rob Connery. Yeah, yeah, great author.

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There's also another book that I'm trying
to read, and that's called Computer Science

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This, which is like a two
hundred pages a small book summarizing the whole

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concepts data structures, and algorithms.
But the only upside I staw with that

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book and about it is that it's
visualized, so it has like everything in

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visualization, so you can see everything
upfront, and I'd like it nice,

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very cool. Yeah, it's interesting
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talk to different people about what they're
working on, a lot of them it's

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oh, well, i'm working on
open source software, or I'm you know,

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I've got this other side project that
has nothing to do with technology,

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and I think it's interesting to you
know, get the perspective of I'm trying

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to level up, right. Yeah, So once you finish these you know,

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books and things like that, what's
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I had enough time to work on
the softwares and products incredibly work on and

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finish them up. For instance,
there has been a product I was trying

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to work on, and it's a
very cool idea. It's about micro blogging

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and wlishing your technical blog posts onto
Twitter. You've probably seen other people that

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they try to like come up with
the long threads in Twitter, trying to

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explain certain topics and talk to other
people, trying to get other people's opinions

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on certain topics. So I found
out that this is an opportunity and people

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are doing it imperatively from the hard, like in a hard way. So

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I'm developing the product that will let
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how many TWAC you need to fit
it into and like attached code samples,

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attash them as media, get the
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try to kick in some NLP and
some third party services to teach you how

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to enhance your writing skills and stuff
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with my books. I'm going to
finish up that product. There has been

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also another product that I'm trying to
work on that's called I tend to call

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it get watch, which is the
idea of being able to subscribe on almost

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everything that happens on GitHub. So, for instance, if you want to

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know when some user on GitHub has
changed your avatar or profile picture, you

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could literally go and subscribe to that
event. So these are like some some

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cool products I'm trying to pull off. Very cool. Well, I'll have

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to Yeah, we'll have to see
where all that goes, and we'll have

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to have you back and yeah,
let's see what you've learned. Yeah.

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I guess as programmers, we really
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the same time, and we just
don't have enough time to work on them.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's always the
case, isn't it. It is?

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Unfortunately? Yeah. Cool. Well, I don't know if I have

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any other questions for you. If
people want to connect with you, where

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do they find you? I think
people can just find me on Twitter under

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the handle first Kids. I also
have a personal web page as far as

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yz dot com, and I guess
they can just go to GitHub and search

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me by the same handle I have
on twit or two if they're interested in

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whatever I do and they want to
like subscribe to the activities. Awesome,

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all right, well let's go ahead
and do some pics. Do you have

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some things you want to shout out
about on the show? Sure? So.

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There has been an article that one
of my colleagues shared with me a

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couple of days ago. The title
is almost everything on computer is perceptually slower

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than it was in nineteen eighty three. And since I was always interested in

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user in phase development and specifically talking
about sege machines lately, this goes deep

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into how user interfaces and UX has
been compromised for the past couple of decades,

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and how like text based user interfaces
such as the command line has always

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been a better choice compare to all
the shiny applications that develop these days.

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I think this article is very,
very eye opening for everyone who's working on

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the front side. I can probably
share the link with you, so I

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can just put it in a description
of the podcast for whoever is interested.

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I think that will be it.
That's awesome. I really enjoyed reading.

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All right, Well, I'm going
to throw out a couple of picks on

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my own. One app that I've
been using quite a bit lately that I've

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really enjoyed. It just makes my
life easier. And as much as I

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like Google Calendar, this just is
a much better interface, at least for

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the way that I work, and
that is busy Cow. So busy Cow

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is a macap that allows you to, you know, just run your calendar.

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I mean, it's it's a pretty
simple concept, but I really really

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like it, so I'm going to
pick that. And then I'm also working

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on course on podcasting. I've had
a few people ask me how to do

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it and things like that, So
you can go find that at podcast playbook

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dot co. You can also go
find my equipment list and I'll put a

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link to the kit dot com or
I think they just switched over to kit

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dot co, but you can go
get the kit dot co link as well,

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and you can see what stuff I
recommend for you for putting together a

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podcast. And that's that's it.
Those are my picks. So I guess

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we'll go ahead and wrap up.
Thanks for coming and chatting with me,

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Thanks for having me, Charles,
Yeah, no problem. Well we'll wrap

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this one up and until next time
max out, everybody, Thank you.

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