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We're gonna be talking about the upcoming move On Symposium that I will 29 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,439 be attending actually, and we'll also be talking crop circles for you lucky people 30 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:35,800 on YouTube. We're going to have some images up there for you as we're 31 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:42,159 as we're moving along. We are live on kg R a radio also simulcast 32 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,560 on YouTube, and I want to thank all the supporters very much that help 33 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:51,159 out with the show, and anybody can do that, all that informations on 34 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:58,039 podcast ufo dot com and supporters get the full show as a podcast and all 35 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:04,240 the archives that you can listen to any media player. And the show actually 36 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:08,080 needs supporters. We use a lot of bandwidth and other costs, so it's 37 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:15,439 very very much appreciated. And our guest, I'm really excited to talk with 38 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:17,560 her. She's been on the show previously. I met her first in Maine, 39 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,199 then I met her in Phoenix, and I'm going to be meeting her 40 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,759 again. And Cherry Hill, our New Jersey. We're gonna be talking about 41 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,840 that. And for now we have the one and only Alejandro Rojas coming up 42 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,800 with the news. Hey Alejandro, Hey, how you doing good? Good 43 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:43,360 of how's everything going for you? It is going well, so keeping very 44 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:47,840 very busy of course world UFO Day kept me busy yesterday you as all of 45 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:53,599 us as well, I'm sure. And then getting ready for Roswell this weekend. 46 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:59,080 So excited about that. Oh that's right, it's coming up. Yeah, 47 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:02,319 that's drive there? Do you fly out there? Fly? I used 48 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,479 to drive years ago, and I don't know if I want to do that 49 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,080 anymore. It's a lot of fun. You pass through White Sands, which 50 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:15,919 is really cool. You also because there's missile places, you know, white 51 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,000 suns testing, it's all of there. You go through Nellis Air Force Base. 52 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,800 You can also go buy Skoro and you could buy go buy the very 53 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,319 large array where they have the big you know, radio telescopes and get some 54 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:33,120 cool selfies out there. So there's always a lot to see on the trip. 55 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,199 But it's a long drive from here. Luckily now they have flights that 56 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:44,959 there's direct flights from Phoenix to Roswell and then I think it's Dallas or Houston 57 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,160 straight to Roswell as well. So yeah, awesome. So just a short 58 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:53,439 flight. Now, when you're landing in Roswell, do you would try to 59 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,879 look out the window to see if you can see any debris crash debris, 60 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:01,959 um you know there were any, it'd be pretty small. So no, 61 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,680 I don't do that. But it is fun because the airport that you fly 62 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:12,319 into is the airport. I mean it used to be the Roswell Army Airfield 63 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:15,720 that's so famous out there. Wow, the same so they basically what they 64 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:23,519 repurposed it for the basis clothes and they repurposed it for Yeah, they repurposed 65 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:28,160 it. It's been open, uh you know, serving some sort of purpose 66 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,240 at the entire time. So it was repurposed and it was some hangars and 67 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:38,040 kind of a private airfield there for a long time. There are companies that 68 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,959 kind of there's kind of a bone yard there where they've got bit tons of 69 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,319 parts of plane strewn all over the place. Because I believe it was even 70 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,720 an Asian or Saudi Arabian company that bought one of the hangars, the big 71 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:57,279 hangar, and and was taking part plane parts and then flying them back there. 72 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,920 So different companies own different pieces. And now they've opened it up as 73 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,720 you know, their their their airport there for commercial flights, which is awesome, 74 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:12,240 so we can fly into there. But yeah, it's had an interesting 75 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:16,680 history. Yeah, no is there you know, I know the town Roswell 76 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:23,600 is full of like flying saucer this and that and pictures and signs and you 77 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:27,879 know, businesses and all that. Is there Is there anything at the airport 78 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,519 that kind of you know what, there's not really actually, um, I 79 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,519 can't remember the name of the hangar. I don't think it's that they you 80 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,959 know, allegedly took the material to. But there is kind of a hangar 81 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,240 name post out there that people take so selfies with, but it doesn't say 82 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,800 anything about aliens unfortunately. So No, they at least at the airport, 83 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,560 they haven't really encouraged that, and I think it's mostly because that hangar, 84 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,360 you know, is owned by a private companies, so they don't want people 85 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,160 coming around for that that sort of thing. Yeah, sure, but you 86 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:13,160 never know. I mean, they embrace it the area. It kind of 87 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,319 wanes and waxes how much how welcoming they are for the full UFO et thing, 88 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,079 So you never know what to expect when you get out there, what 89 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,680 it'll be different as far as who's promoting what. So I wouldn't be surprised 90 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,000 if they did that at some point. I think it would probably be a 91 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,680 cute idea because really the rest of the city does that. You have things 92 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,199 like the McDonald's out there is a UFO, and I think it's the only 93 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:42,480 place that they have that, and other large chains have like a UFO or 94 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,560 alien theme, and they don't do this sort of theme type of stuff anywhere 95 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,720 else that I've seen, So it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, 96 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,839 all right, So and what's going. Oh, it's a World UFO Day, 97 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:58,839 you probably want to talk a little bit about that, But yeah, 98 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,800 I mean, not a lot to say, except where there was a lot 99 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:05,480 of news out there about UFOs, and I think it's kind of cool because 100 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,680 there really has been, to me, you know, a change from the 101 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:16,399 media. I talked to radio station in Houston and then our local media here 102 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,959 and you know, they all really do take it much more seriously. It's 103 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,639 changed from a bunch of weirdos, a kind of a topic that's backed by 104 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,720 a bunch of weirdos and conspiracy theorists, to now the theme is that, 105 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,519 you know, this is something that the government's looking into and take seriously. 106 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,960 And I think that's really an important change that's kind of happened with the media. 107 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:45,799 So I feel like the coverage this year has been much more serious than 108 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:52,200 it's ever been before. And it was really kind of surprising and cool that 109 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,320 the media picked up on World UFO Day so much, because even the World 110 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:03,159 UFO Day people have kind of not marketed it as strongly as they had in 111 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,360 the past, but it's just caught on and so the media is paying attention. 112 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,080 So I think overall, it's been pretty positive. Have you noticed that 113 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,919 as well? Did you see anything kind of really as blatantly making fun of 114 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,159 everything as it as in a past. I've definitely have seen a change in 115 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,240 that, you know, since the December, since last December, definitely. 116 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:35,080 I'm really I really appreciate the fact that it's not made so much fun of 117 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:39,639 or you know what was it? The X Files music has always played during 118 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,080 you know, when they started talking about it, someone saw something, you 119 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,440 know, but you don't see that as much anymore. And I think it's 120 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,200 great, Yeah, very cool. So and you know, this all stems 121 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,960 from December. Of course, there's a little bit of update there in that 122 00:09:54,639 --> 00:10:01,440 George Knapp of KLAS eight news now in Las Vegas, who keeps breaking news 123 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,519 about a tip and all of these guys, he had a new kind of 124 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:13,519 short interview with Louise Elizondo and this news was really just talking about how Harry 125 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Reid throughout the years has really gone to bat for the UFO investigation. So 126 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,720 during that period of time while they were funding it, you know, him 127 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,679 going to bat and saying, hey, there are some real results here, 128 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:33,000 we need to keep funding this program. And the theme of this also with 129 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,320 Louise and Harry Reid is kind of even though the d D came out and 130 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,799 said, well, we closed it down because we didn't see results, they're 131 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,720 saying that that's not actually true. There were results, that's not why they 132 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,559 closed it down. And you know, previously George Knapp had talked about the 133 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,080 aspects that did you know, make people nervous and close it down, which 134 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:05,320 was the DD being embarrassed about this whole topic and afraid of being ridiculed people 135 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,600 found out and people's religious beliefs. People in the DoD feeling that, you 136 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:13,960 know, we shouldn't be messing with this kind of stuff, which I think 137 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:20,840 is a fascinating reason. But they feel like, you know, there have 138 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:26,480 been results, and really George Nappa of course, has worked with Jeremy Corbell 139 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,519 for this upcoming film and they have finally released that that will be out in 140 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,679 September on iTunes. Right, I saw that, Yeah, September eleventh. 141 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:39,840 I thought, yeah, September eleventh. Interesting, Leonel, Yeah, right, 142 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,360 yeah, I just saw that. We'll find out more when that comes 143 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,720 out as well, Alejandro. Someone just sent me I didn't even get a 144 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:54,639 chance to look at it, some type of link that the Daily Mail had 145 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,559 on secrets or UFOs. Do you know anything about that? Yeah, So 146 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:05,320 the British government has released some more information. That is another story. And 147 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:11,559 the Daily Mail is not the best sources, as you and I have talked 148 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,120 about in the past. I mean, unfortunately many times they want to sensationalize 149 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:20,279 and change the facts and so forth. So I've been trying to follow up 150 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,759 with this to figure out more about what is real and what isn't. I 151 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:28,200 know, doctor David Clark has something to do with this. He is a 152 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,399 historian out there who has gotten a lot of British material UFO material out there. 153 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,919 He's kind of a mythologist and he's interested in the mythology and doesn't necessarily 154 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,080 take it all that seriously because he's a skeptic, but he's very fascinated by 155 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:50,320 the whole thing and he's a great resource. So these files have more to 156 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:56,639 do with the nature of the groups that we're looking into UFOs for the British. 157 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,879 So yeah, it's very interesting stuff that's coming out. Um, I'm 158 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:05,240 still working on verifying the info and getting you know, some comments from Nick 159 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:09,919 and others. But yet so that's what's hard with the Daily mail. You 160 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,600 got to check all their facts to see which facts they have gotten right on 161 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,679 and which facts they have kind of um puffed up a little bit. So 162 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,080 yeah, it looks like it's proving to be a very interesting story. Though. 163 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,840 Someone someone in the KGr A chat room wanted to know if there are 164 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:35,799 any solid updates on the Nasco mummies, and I thought we went over that 165 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,759 at one time that we did. I mean the solid updates that came and 166 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,799 have come are just they're they're human. I mean, this is and you 167 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,679 and I have discussed this, that this happens periodically, and really the local 168 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,519 governments are sharing. You get tired of it that people go there. Westerners 169 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,960 typically dig up these bodies and claim they're alien and then it gets debunked. 170 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:07,879 And it's a cycle that's been going on for years now and they're just getting 171 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:11,879 tired of it. They don't like the bodies being disrespected like that. Now, 172 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:16,159 there have been some hoaxers that have been locals that do this as well, 173 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,879 and essentially what happens it's a very dry desert, it's it's a very 174 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:28,840 unique conditions there where bodies are preserved and so they're very old and these corpses 175 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:33,399 and carcasses look strange, and so unfortunately a lot of people, for whatever 176 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,720 reason, they assume they're aliens, and every time there's a thorough test done, 177 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,200 it is debunked. Unfortunately. One of the more recent people who have 178 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,320 been kind of purporting these things to be aliens have been doctor Stephen Greer, 179 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:54,120 and he got this gentleman involved called doctor Nolan and who also is now with 180 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,759 to the Stars, working with Elizondo and all of these other people, and 181 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:03,080 that he is, I mean very serious. I've discussed with him. He's 182 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:09,720 very into paranormal he's very into the possibilities. He's an expert when it comes 183 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,840 to DNA. He's looked at many of these different cases and although he would 184 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,440 very much hope to find something more strange, so far they've all termed out 185 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,639 to be humans. So hate to brush your bubble on that, guys, 186 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,039 but it's definitely whenever you hear about a body being taken from there, you 187 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,399 want to take it with a humongous grain of salt, because this is just 188 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,639 this has been an ongoing thing for decades literally, where people find these bodies 189 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:43,720 and kind of try to purport that there's something odd or strange. Even Ripley's 190 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,799 believe it or not, had one many years ago. I think Lee Spiegel 191 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:48,679 wrote about that one not too long ago. Really, well, now, 192 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,480 the guest I had, Chris O'Brien last week, mentioned that Greer actually has 193 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:02,960 a lawsuit against Nolan, defamation lawsuit. Yeah, and you know, when 194 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:11,639 I spoke with Nolan, Nolan said it was nothing but kind to Stephen Grier 195 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:17,720 and he has respect for him. He certainly, at least when I asked 196 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:22,840 talked to him, had no hard feelings toward him whatsoever, and uh, 197 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:29,519 you know, supported his efforts. So it's really unfortunate to see Greer kind 198 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:33,200 of going after him like this because and this is what happens in this field, 199 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,279 which is so unfortunate. When we have serious people who want to get 200 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,919 involved, they're attacked and they're bashed, and like Bigelow, then they decide, 201 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,360 you know what, maybe it's better to kind of stay in the background 202 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,679 because unfortunately, which I don't know that he has been much kinder, He 203 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,279 hasn't said this, but unfortunately, there are a lot of unprofessional people in 204 00:16:56,279 --> 00:17:02,840 this field who just don't act in a professional manner. And that's unfortunate because 205 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:07,200 we should be fostering getting these people involved, and you know, we shouldn't 206 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:14,480 be defensive when it comes to people questioning evidence, because you know, there 207 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:21,480 is a very very hard bar to meet the highest when it comes to trying 208 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:26,519 to prove that you know, there's some of these odd things happening. And 209 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:32,359 we're at a point where now we're very strongly establishing that there is a genuine 210 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,359 mystery, and I think we get so caught in the weeds that we forget 211 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,720 that that's where the public is. First. We have to move them towards 212 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:45,559 being comfortable that there's a genuine mystery. Then you know you're able to bring 213 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:55,079 credibility to the possibilities. Right, I agree wholeheartedly. So anywe listening can 214 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,720 check out Open Minds Thought TV. There's UFO updates on there every day and 215 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,039 it's a very very busy website, and go check it out. Thanks so 216 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,319 much, Alejandro, my pleasure. Thanks for having me and happen with Jennifer. 217 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,000 Hi, will all right, talk to you later, Bye bye, 218 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:18,720 all right. Our guest Jennifer Stein. She is a native of Philadelphia and 219 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:26,839 she holds her Bachelor of Science from the University of Arizona and that's the last 220 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,799 place I saw. She grew up in a family of artists and entrepreneurs, 221 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,440 and she is actually an entrepreneur herself, a filmmaker. She's done all kinds 222 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:41,640 of great things. She founded and runs the Mainline move On in Philadelphia and 223 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:45,519 is a conference coordinator. We're gonna be talking to her about the symposium. 224 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,480 She's the share person on that. Hello, how are you, Jennifer. 225 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:53,039 Welcome to the show. Hi, Martin. It's such a pleasure to be 226 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,480 here, can you hear me? Okay, yeah, I am great. 227 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,039 Yeah, everything's good. Yes, great, It's a real pleasure to be 228 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,079 on your show. I know we were last together out in Arizona, but 229 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,920 I think I first met you in Maine at the Experience or Speak conference many 230 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,759 years ago. I think, yeah, that was a boy. I want 231 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:14,400 to say that was five years ago, now, four or five at least, 232 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,079 Yeah, maybe even five years ago, right, yeah, I think 233 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,440 I think so. Yeah. Yeah, Well, long journey, long journey, 234 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,839 that's right. And you have done all kinds of things, some great 235 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,839 films. Right now, are you working on any projects you can talk about 236 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,920 and we'll talk about other things of course. Well, I've sort of got 237 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:40,119 the national Symposium dropped in my lap big time, a little late in the 238 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,640 game to organize many of the aspects of it, as you probably know, 239 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,519 and I've been mostly focusing on that this year. I would love to say 240 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:55,079 I'm starting some other film projects. I always continually research and keep my fingers 241 00:19:55,079 --> 00:20:00,240 sort of in the crop circle world a bit. I'm a little bit more 242 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:04,599 like an armchair investigator now reading other people's research. But I continue to be 243 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,359 perplexed about that, and I know we're going to talk about that later in 244 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:15,039 the show. But mostly this year I have used my whatever little filmmaking skills 245 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:22,279 I have and marketing skills to bring the National Symposium to the mainstream and ways 246 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:26,559 that I can. You know, we we're a nonprofit organization, as many 247 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,160 of your listeners know, and we're of course mostly dedicated to the you know, 248 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:36,759 reporting and scientific exploration of the UFO phenomenon, but trying to pull off 249 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:41,319 a conference every year in a different city because it moves from town to town 250 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,000 or city to city, so we try to move it around the country so 251 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:48,079 that anyone listening, depending on where they live, have the opportunity to try 252 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,400 to get to a mainstream posium, you know, at least once every couple 253 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,599 of years. So we have not had a symposium on the northeast coast since 254 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:03,200 twenty fourteen, but that was the first time in like twenty five years, 255 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,400 I think that we had a symposium up in this neck of the woods. 256 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:11,720 So I'm really delighted to be able to talk just briefly about that, you 257 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,720 know, upfront with you, because we've got a great lineup of speakers. 258 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,359 First of all, I'll tell you the theme of the symposium is called UFOs 259 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:25,119 Extraterrestrials in the Future of Humanity, and they know that's kind of all over 260 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,359 the place, but it's kind of an all encompassing approach we're taking this year, 261 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,000 and the local team here is really taking to heart the future of humanity 262 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,799 part because we realize that if we don't reach out to a younger group of 263 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:44,000 people and start bringing them in and educating them. It takes a long time 264 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:47,160 to wrap your brain around this topic. As you probably know, Martin, 265 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,640 it's not something where you can just see a news clip or even see a 266 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,880 movie or read one book and think you really have an understanding of the UFO 267 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:02,480 phenomenon. It's a seventy eighty year or even thousands of years, you know, 268 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,079 depending on where you want to look. Historically, this topic is huge 269 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:08,799 and it's hard to wrap your brain around it, especially for the younger generation. 270 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:14,559 It gets their information and a sound bite right, they cheat something and 271 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:18,200 they think they know it is. This is a difficult topic. So what 272 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,839 we're doing taking this to heart locally is we invited Lynn Katai, who is 273 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,400 actually a Philadelphia local Originally, she grew up in the Philadelphia area, went 274 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,839 to med school here at Temple University. And she's coming in and she's just 275 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:37,279 written a book for children on the UFO topic UFOs and crop circles actually, 276 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,519 so she's coming in and presenting for free on Friday. And I've asked Travis 277 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,839 Walton, a dear friend, and of course I worked on his film that's 278 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,960 done very well, continues to win awards and film festivals who are very happy 279 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,000 about So Travis and Lynn are both going to present for free. And the 280 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:59,359 symposium has never done anything like this before. So on Friday, the day 281 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,039 before the cofference starts, anyone can show up. Teachers, students, you 282 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,200 know, anyone you know, police, medical people, anybody from any field. 283 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,759 You don't have to know anything about the UFO topic show up and from 284 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,960 ten to three we're going to have two free presentations for you, and then 285 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,839 shortly after that we'll do a press conference and people are welcome to stay for 286 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,799 that. And then of course, you know, we have Luis Elzonzo who's 287 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,720 going to be a keynote, and he starts the banquet off with Jan Harzon 288 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,000 on Friday night, we have a banquet that starts and that's the paid portion 289 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,400 of the conference that's not free. We cost a lot of money to run 290 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,440 a conference, so we have to sell tickets to cover our expenses, of 291 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,279 course. So but Luis Elsonzo is a big deal, as you know, 292 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,279 we were hoping we could get him on the air. But he's of course 293 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:53,720 the former a tip insider, the intelligence officer at the Pentagon who really opened 294 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,839 the media in the mainstream way. So I know we're going to have to 295 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:03,279 break in just a moment, but I'm hoping, I'm hoping that people take 296 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:07,880 advantage of the opportunity to come here, Louise, here in the Philadelphia area. 297 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,000 Yeah, I am really looking forward to meeting him. Yes, I 298 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,240 was trying to get him on the show tonight for just a couple of minutes, 299 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,160 and he said that he's looking forward to meeting me when I get there, 300 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,440 and that he can't do it. He's actually moving his whole family right 301 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,880 now to LA's writing process of moving, so we couldn't be on. But 302 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,759 anyway, just to tell the listener, if you're a supporter of the show, 303 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,200 I'm going you're going to be able to listen to the podcasts that I 304 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:42,000 do on site at the symposium. I will be doing a live stream YouTube 305 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,200 from there. It's not going to be the regular one on KGr A Radio. 306 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:52,359 It'll be a audio podcast also for supporters. So that will be right 307 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,559 after the twenty seventh and twenty eight. Really looking forward to that. So 308 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:03,400 we are heading into our break, and this is Martin Willis and we're going 309 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,720 to be right back. We are in KGr A Radio and we are with 310 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,519 Jennifer Stein and we'll be right back. We want to just kind of follow, 311 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,079 you know, a different topic on these breaks. So you grew up 312 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,119 in Philadelphia. This Cherry Hill, Cherry Hill is is right outside of that 313 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,359 right right, It's just on the other side of the river from Philadelphia. 314 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,039 I grew up in the northeast and northwestern suburbs basically, and this is just 315 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,839 over the river. And that's because of finances. You know, we can 316 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,359 get a better hotel rate over there. I don't have unions. We don't 317 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,440 have unions at the hotels in Cherry Hill. Probably. I don't want to 318 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,000 say that on the air, but that's okay. So let me just set 319 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:51,559 my stop watch here. So what about Philadelphia? I never really hear about 320 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:57,640 UFO incidences. Are there any thing that stand out? Sure? We had 321 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:06,079 a spring Steen concert on what's called the Parkway, which is this main parkway 322 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,359 between the Art Museum and City Hall, and Bruce Springstein was playing and there 323 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,960 were like ten thousand people there. There were probably seven or eight videos shot 324 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:21,640 from the crowd up at this object right above the Springstein contract. This was 325 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,200 like four years or five years ago. So sure there are incidents. Jersey 326 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,920 Shore gets a lot of them. Yet are you sure that was on a 327 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,200 drone? I would think that a drone someone will run to find a fly 328 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,079 drawn over Bruce Springstein. It was too high. It was like these white 329 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,559 orbs. It was several of them, and they were and they were like 330 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,000 floating. They kind of looked like, you know, people said, oh, 331 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,519 they're balloons. But then they were maneuvering in ways the balloons would not 332 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,319 do. They weren't all floating like the wind. They were then interacting with 333 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,759 each other and then getting brighter and getting dimmer and things like that. So 334 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:03,039 not your typical you know, balloon or drone activity. Now you said, 335 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,279 there's actually film. Can someone actually find this, like on YouTube or something 336 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,200 like that, people assented to me, Yeah, you can google it and 337 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,759 look for it. I mean, I don't I don't know the exact link, 338 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,519 but sure there are there are sightings that happen here in Philly. So 339 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,000 they were just coming around to get a little Bruce Springsteen. You know, 340 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:23,039 if they show up, they show up at ballparks. You've seen no footage 341 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:27,759 of them hanging over major ballparks and things like that. So yeah, yeah, 342 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:32,960 we've we've we've had them. And of course we're not far from the 343 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,960 very famous Hudson flap that happened that's, you know, less than an hour 344 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,920 and a half away a Hudson Valley, New York. Yeah that went on 345 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,160 for how long did that go on? There was almost ten years? Yeah, 346 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,799 it's amazing. Yeah, and so many people saw it it's still going 347 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,480 on, but not with that type of regularity and not the very very close 348 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:02,640 things that were seen. Oh okay, So when we come back from the 349 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,359 break, we'll talk about the other people that are going to be at the 350 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,519 symposium, and then we'll get we'll start getting into the crop circle. This 351 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:14,400 is going to be interesting again for the people on YouTube. Since you're you're 352 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,680 listening now, we'll have some visuals up for you as as we're going along. 353 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,880 Hopefully we'll get those coordinated, right. Yeah, yeah, I have 354 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,039 them up on my screen. But there's one I didn't think I sent you 355 00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,759 that was listed in my file seventeen. You said I sent you seventeen. 356 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,359 I was going to see if that says Hillsboro, Ohio Crop Circle. I 357 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,920 don't know if I can check that with you while we're off the air, 358 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,240 hang on a second. All right, Welcome back to podcast UFO on Martin 359 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:51,680 Willison. We're on KGr A Radio. That's kg are A Radio dot com 360 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:57,920 and my guest is Jennifer Stein. So Jennifer, getting back to the symposium. 361 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,319 Can you talk? I mean, I can't wait to meet lewis number 362 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,359 one for me and it's always great seeing jan why don't you, And you 363 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:07,720 said Travis Walton's going to be there, why don't you talk about some of 364 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:12,279 the other guests that are Okay, I'd be thrilled to Thanks for asking, 365 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:17,440 Martin. So we've divided the two days up into two different sections. It's 366 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,039 two full days of speakers after the Friday night banquet with Louis Alizonzo and on 367 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:30,279 Friday we're kind of focusing more on science things like alien viruses, technologies, 368 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:37,079 space travel, artificial intelligence, transhumanism, like, really, where are we 369 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,160 going with technology and how does this interface with the UFO phenomenon. So our 370 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,799 speakers are John Brandenburg. Some people may or may not know about him. 371 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,559 His presentation will be called a Report from Mars. After that, we have 372 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,279 Lynn Katai, who's going to talk about how we inspire future generations going forward, 373 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,559 how we get them and hook them and bring them in. Because we 374 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,039 were discussing before the break, this is a big topic to wrap your brain 375 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,640 around, especially when the media has had a basically a gag rule on it 376 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,200 for about seventy years. After that, Bob Wood is going to discuss alien 377 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:17,920 viruses and real problems we face in the future. Then we have Ted Peters, 378 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,960 who's a theologian, and he's going to talk about the future of humanity. 379 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,960 What's the theological perspective, you know, how do we deal with the 380 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:30,960 whole concept of UFOs and extraterrestrials and incorporate this into our religious and social means. 381 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,960 And Morey's David Pilates is going to talk about, you know, unexplained 382 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,440 disappearances which continue to go on, especially in rural areas. He wrote the 383 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,759 book Missing for one one and yep. Then then we're going to break for 384 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,720 dinner, and we come back in the evening with Don dun Dairy. He's 385 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:55,519 worked a lot with the Free Project with Kathy Martin. He'll be talking about 386 00:30:55,519 --> 00:31:04,039 the American Personality Inventory that they created to evaluate abductee reports and try to categorize 387 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,680 them and look at data in a different way. It's really quite fascinating. 388 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,039 And then later that night we actually have Dan Ricker, who was in the 389 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,599 movie two thousand and one Space Odyssey, and we're going to show two and 390 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,319 one Space Odyssey is a fun thing that Saturday evening. There's also a special 391 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,480 workshop people can pay to go to if they want, with Louis Alazonzo it's 392 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,200 about one hundred people. It's a small, casual, intimate meet and greet 393 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,359 and QNA going on that evening with Louise. Then on Sunday we'd switch to 394 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:45,440 the more experiencer side of the conference, so we'll have of course Selma Static 395 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,799 and Randall Nickerson presenting that day and that By the way, can I just 396 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,640 interrupt you. I had Selma on my show and I got to tell she's 397 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,759 my favorite guest. She was amazing. I'm really looking forward to meeting her. 398 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,079 All of those kids from the famous Ariel School, that very famous Zimbabwe 399 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,319 incident that John Knack brought to light, brought to our attention. Randall Nickerson 400 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,119 has picked up on that and he's coming out with a new film called The 401 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,319 Ariel Project, and we're looking forward to that release. I don't know exactly 402 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:21,359 when it's going to have. It's getting really close. According Randy texts me 403 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,200 a couple weeks ago and said, we're getting really close. Good, So 404 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,599 yeah, I know, we're all looking forward to It's been a lot of 405 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,519 years in the making, I know, as almost ten and if you look 406 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,160 at what John Nac did, you're really looking at twenty to twenty five years 407 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,720 of that documentary being made. So we also have of course Travis Walton on 408 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:45,839 Sunday and Kathleen Martin who will be presenting Martin excuse me, one wonderful, 409 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,240 wonderful woman. So it should be a really fabulous conference. We're looking forward 410 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:57,440 to, you know, in welcoming and greeting people from all over in Philadelphia. 411 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,440 It's a lovely hotel. We have very inexpended room rates, about ninety 412 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,400 nine dollars a night is the base rate. So and it's a it's a 413 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,759 fabulous facility, and there are lovely restaurants all around, and we're going to 414 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,319 try to do a biffet in the hallway between uh, you know, different 415 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,039 speakers so people can get lunch. So we're putting a lot of time and 416 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:21,240 effort and thought into it. Yeah, I can't looking into it. Yeah, 417 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:22,759 I know. It was in Cherry Hill a few years ago, I 418 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,359 think maybe four three or four years ago, right, Yes, twenty fourteen 419 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,599 was the last one we ran there. Yes, and it was the first 420 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,720 one, like I mentioned before, in about twenty five years in the Northeast 421 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,960 corridor. Wow. Yeah, yeah, I'm real excited. So I think 422 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:44,400 this will be my first move on symposium actually, so I'm really looking forward 423 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,559 to it. It would be great. Well, I try to live up 424 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:52,720 to Alejandra's standards, so you know, he puts on a great conference. 425 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200 It's been a pleasure to be at them and also to be a speaker at 426 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,599 them. It's really a pleasure, and in fact, I wanted to mention 427 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,880 to listening guests he was speaking about Roswell. Many years ago, I did 428 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:13,039 a little interview with Jesse Marcel Junior and one of the wonderful film men, 429 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,320 Tom Ruffle, who worked for Open Minds, and that's available. You can 430 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,480 look at it at Mainline mouf On. I think I have it on the 431 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,159 bottom of one of my pages on the video page. There's also I'm sure 432 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,360 a link somewhere on Alejandro's Open Minds or if the if they depending on what 433 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,360 their streaming network is, they have up now. I know things have changed 434 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,760 a little bit in the last year, but there's a lovely interview where we 435 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,960 took Jesse Marcell Junior back to his house and we stood outside the original hangar 436 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,320 where the debris was stored, and we just chatted with him. He had 437 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,639 never been back to his home, so we stood outside and filmed and talked 438 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:58,119 with him. It was really a special, special neat interview. We just 439 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,039 did it a fly. I just said, you want to go do this 440 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:06,039 like I'll drive you shoot. You said sure. So it's really really a 441 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,519 great opportunity we grabbed there. Yeah, right, right, So before we 442 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:15,719 get to talking about crop circles, can you tell the listening audience about your 443 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,239 film with Travis Walton that you did? Sure? Sure, It's called Travis 444 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,280 The True Story of Travis Walton. I was about six or seven years in 445 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,280 the making all total with it. I did a couple of revisions because I 446 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,320 needed to. On the film. It's about eighty minutes and it recounts with 447 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,079 all the living members of the crew, the logging crew that was in the 448 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:45,000 Sit Graves Forest with Travis, along with some police, polygraph experts things like 449 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:50,199 that, and people from the town, some family members. It's a real 450 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,719 point by point, fast paced documentary that's a real personal story. It's not 451 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,840 so much a typical UFO film. I took the perspective in making the film 452 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,519 of what it was like through Travis's eyes and through the eyes of these crew 453 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:07,239 members throughout their lives and how difficult this event was for them to handle and 454 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,320 how for many of them it kind of ruined their life. So I wouldn't 455 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,960 say it's necessarily an upbeat film, but it's certainly a real poignant look psychologically 456 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,639 at what it's like to have an incident like this happen. And it's a 457 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,039 close and intimate way to get to know Travis Walton. So the film I 458 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,719 decided I would put it in like mainstream film festivals, thinking that they're probably 459 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,559 just going to reject it, And to my surprise, out of putting it 460 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,960 in about fifty film festivals, it was accepted and over twenty two of them, 461 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,400 and it won additional awards, So it's one over probably twenty nine or 462 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,079 thirty awards, which is really it's really kind of unheard of for a UFO 463 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,280 film. I mean, most of the time they're only shown in you know, 464 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:59,559 paranormal film festivals or sci fi film festivals. They don't make it into 465 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,400 main festivals. They don't even accept them. So the fact that it was 466 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,800 accepted in a large number and then one additional awards's I'm really honored. And 467 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,760 I worked with a whole crew of people. I can't take full credit for 468 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,360 myself I mean, I worked with the co producers who does my mainline move 469 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,840 on programs It think Bob Terio and Ron James helped me revise it and really 470 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:27,159 punch the CGI in the graphics. And I worked with fabulous nephew editor of 471 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,639 mine, Adam Stein and Zach Wild. I mean, I couldn't have done 472 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,800 it without some of these young thirty year olds helping me make a better film 473 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,480 than I could have made. But we're what Travis and I have been on 474 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,920 radio shows, and Travis is some traveling the world now because of this film. 475 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,440 He's getting a lot more speaking engagements. And now we'll be screening it 476 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:50,679 next year in England. So lots of things are happening. And it's coming 477 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,480 out on Amazon and YouTube in Netflix, so I'm in the process now of 478 00:37:53,719 --> 00:38:00,480 marketing it in that other direction. I have something I'm actually going to ask 479 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,039 Travis when I see him. But let's say two weeks ago, we had 480 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,880 a guy that he says he's sort of on the skeptic side, but he 481 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,559 had a sighting back in the nineteen sixties. He called from Oregon. As 482 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,559 far as I know, he may be listening now, I'm not sure. 483 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,480 I forget his first name, but he said he was talking about different people 484 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,760 and you know whether they change their story. And then he said, well, 485 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,320 what about you know, Travis Walton, he changed his story. So 486 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,320 I said, what do you mean, you know, elaborate on that a 487 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:36,280 little more and he said he didn't remember anything at first the first couple of 488 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,800 years. Did you ever hear Travis say anything about that? That's that's just 489 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:45,119 someone thinking they know the facts and they didn't. If you know, Travis 490 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:49,679 has a great book called Fire in the Sky, and anyone can pick it 491 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,719 up and read it. Travis had full recall the moment he woke up on 492 00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:00,639 the side of the street. He remembered everything that he still remembers. We 493 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,960 don't know how long a period of time this is. It could be twenty 494 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,239 minutes or it could be two hours. But nothing has changed in his memory 495 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:12,239 from that moment he woke up on the street. Even with the regressions he 496 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,320 did. He had some post traumatic stress he had to get over, so 497 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:21,960 that helped him remember little more of the details. But the stories never changed, 498 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,880 nor has it for the other boys and the Longing Crew. They've stuck 499 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,599 to their story for forty years. That's what I've always thought. Believe me, 500 00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:31,599 I think some of them would have wanted to change their story, especially 501 00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:36,719 the one that was offered a ten thousand dollar bride. That's right, Well, 502 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,880 I think it, Ben, I could use the money. I'll maybe 503 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,239 I'll come out and say this didn't happen. I mean, phil Klass went 504 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,440 after him for five or six years, really hounded him and forced him to 505 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:52,280 change his name and moved to a different state and broke up his marriage. 506 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,559 I mean, when you really get into it, it's not pretty, Martin, 507 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,760 it's not. Yeah. I think that's amazing that he actually offered ten 508 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,000 thousand dollars for him to change the story. I mean I don't understand. 509 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,199 You know, sure he had plenty of money from what I understand, But 510 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:17,559 why why important? Why? But there's documentation of this bribe, that Philip 511 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:23,480 Class actually got a local police officer to bring a Western Union telegram of the 512 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:29,239 bribe to his house. Yeah. I mean, it's like, you can't 513 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,400 make this stuff up. It's amazing, really really yeah. Yeah, So 514 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,440 okay, let's let's shift gears. We've got about another seventeen minutes or so 515 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,119 before the break, and I want to find out I don't think I've ever 516 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:51,440 asked you this question. Initially, what started you investigating crop circles? I 517 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,280 think I was fascinated by ancient mounds. I had started to read about Stonehenge 518 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,159 when I was like ten or eleven or twelve. Well, I remember ripping 519 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,599 things out of like Look magazine, you know, in Life magazine, and 520 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,400 thinking wow, like who built these places? And then I started to learn 521 00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:15,679 later and my late I guess my early twenties and late twenties, about the 522 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,519 crop circle phenomenon that was starting to happen, and the association of that phenomenon 523 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,239 with ancient sites, and the high number of formations that were happening, of 524 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,480 course in England, and that I just kept reading about it because I was 525 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,639 just so puzzled by it. I couldn't imagine how something as big as stone 526 00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:40,400 Enge could appear when it wasn't there twenty minutes ago, and then suddenly it 527 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:45,880 was, and looking at the pristineness of these geometries. I grew up as 528 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,239 a as an artist and entrepreneur. My dad was an architect, my mom 529 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,400 was an interior designer and a seamstress, So I mean I understood fabric and 530 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:59,719 weaving and design and structure, and you know, I had an appreciation of 531 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,119 what an intent like building a house or you know, building a garden or 532 00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,960 putting a pool in, or landscaping or you know, putting an addition on 533 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,119 a house. So when I looked at crop circles, I had an appreciation 534 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,320 for the complexity of them. I immediately recognized the sacred geometry that was in 535 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,280 them. And I had studied the Fibernacci sequence, the golden mean ratio, 536 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,079 and I had been a meditator, and you know, I immediately started to 537 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,480 think I almost understood what the formations were saying, even though I didn't. 538 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,119 It's like some of those geometries you can look at and go, oh, 539 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:37,559 I understand that, and then you look at it and you go, well, 540 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,719 actually, no, I really don't, but it looks like it's saying 541 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,719 something. And I think that's what drew me in, you know, and 542 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,039 I just continued to be more and more perplexed. And I think it's my 543 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,920 curiosity that really continued to keep me hooked. Even when I got into my 544 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,760 forties and fifties, you know, when I finally could afford to go there 545 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,280 and I had the time, and my kids were raised, and I was 546 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,320 brave enough to rent a car and drive on the other side of the road. 547 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:12,159 You know. Yeah, Now there are there's some very well known the 548 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:19,360 two guys that were doing the hoaxes, and then there's confusion between like you 549 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:25,079 just mentioned the one near Stone Hedge that just appeared a plane flew over and 550 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,719 then flew back and all of a sudden it was there, you know. 551 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,119 But but other ones, you know, this is where it gets muddy and 552 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,159 confusing, because you know, some people say that every single one of them 553 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,000 are are hoaxed, and then some people say, well, some of them 554 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,119 have some mysterious things going on. What's your what's your general overview on that 555 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:50,599 stage? Well, if if you want, we can actually jump to slide 556 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,840 four and I can introduce the two very famous hoaxers if you want to, 557 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,559 let's go there. Doug Bower and Dave Shirley are shown in the bottom right 558 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,440 of that screen. Now, you know, the crop circles were getting a 559 00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:08,639 lot of attention in the early nineties. Colin Andrews, Pat Delgado, Terrence 560 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,000 Needen, we're working together. They came out with some of their first books 561 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:19,400 and I think maybe the British media or somebody else was not too happy with 562 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,199 the attention that the crop circles were getting. There were huge numbers of them 563 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,320 happening. I mean first it used to be five or six or eight or 564 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,039 ten a summer. Then it suddenly jumped to like twenty thirty, forty fifty 565 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,239 sixty a summer. And you know, people were going crazy over these, 566 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:43,480 and Doug and Dave were featured in a like a BBC special, but it 567 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,519 wasn't actually a BBC special. When you'll go back and look at this nineteen 568 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,719 ninety three special, they came out featuring them claiming they made all the crop 569 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:59,280 circles when you do your homework. That ad agency didn't really officially exist as 570 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,960 a professional ad agency, but it funded this documentary that was then out on 571 00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:07,440 major networks around the world claiming that Doug and Dave were making all the crop 572 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:12,599 circles, certainly in England, and then of course media has given them credit 573 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,039 for making them all around the world. They're not saying it was Doug and 574 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,519 Dave. What the media means is that all formations are hoaxed. And don't 575 00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,960 you know that, because Doug and Dave came out and admitted it, so 576 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,480 you know, you have to kind of look at the source and dig a 577 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:31,400 little deeper. I was fascinated that, yes, you can hoax interesting formations. 578 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,239 And unless you understand some idiosyncrasies about the crop and the soil and you 579 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,159 start doing c germinations studies, or you start looking under a microscope at the 580 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:46,119 soil samples seeing if they're magnetic, or how dry the soil is, or 581 00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:52,000 how intricately the crops are bent, you don't really know it. Deck takes 582 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,559 a little while. You have to develop a level of sophistication. So on 583 00:45:54,599 --> 00:46:00,639 that slide, on number four, I'm showing you advertisements that are being done 584 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:06,239 now by major media because they hold they like the whole idea of the crop 585 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,880 circle and they want to use that to help sell their products. Oh sure, 586 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,559 it's a great way to you know, get some attention for sure. 587 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,079 Right, it's like let's be hip, right, let's look like hip. 588 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,639 Right. But the one thing that people don't realize and crop circle researchers love 589 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:29,639 this is these are known hoaxes. Right, So the advertising agency pays the 590 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,800 farmer like ten thousand dollars for their crop, and they go in and they 591 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,920 spend hours and hours and hours, five, ten, fifteen, twenty hours. 592 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,920 They stake it out so we can go and compare those formations that were 593 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,079 done for advertising to these other formations that we look at. The team to 594 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:51,440 appear overnight at three thirty four in the morning. Now, so right, 595 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:58,000 they're really wonderful because you know, it really provides this perfect comparison tool. 596 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:02,119 And so the ones that are done in the middle of the night, how 597 00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,519 I think I saw a show on crop Circles where someone tried to replicate something 598 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:12,639 in the middle of the night, you know, secretly, and they almost 599 00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,880 pulled it off. Now, if someone was doing it, you know, 600 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,280 on a regular basis, maybe they could pull it off easy enough. But 601 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:27,320 do you think there are still people hoaxing? Now there might be. I'm 602 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,000 not currently going to England every summer. I'm not kind of watching you know, 603 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,079 the lay of the land and who's doing what, who's whispering about what 604 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,079 and what pub you know, and who's looking at a graphic. And I 605 00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,719 know that there were teams that used to prepare. They would hoax in other 606 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,639 areas to perfect what they were going to do a couple of times, and 607 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,719 then they would go out and try to make the real formation. But honestly, 608 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,039 I just you know, there's so many rabbits to chase in life. 609 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:07,440 I've kind of done more homework and research about, well, what actually could 610 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,480 cause these things and is there an historical content to them. I think that's 611 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,280 a really interesting topic that a lot of people overlook. And in fact, 612 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,360 if we want, we can jump to slide five, sure, because that's 613 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,320 an interesting story, and I'll just give you a heads up. Martin two. 614 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:28,440 I'm having a major electrical storm here in Philadelphia. I was hearing something. 615 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,320 Yeah, we've had a huge heat wave and if you see flashes right 616 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,920 outside my window, it's pouring rain. I do have a backup generator, 617 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,119 so if we get cut off, we'll jump back in. Sometimes our power 618 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,239 goes out, so that that noise I'm hearing. I thought it might be 619 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,679 something to do with audio, but that's actually thunder. Yeah, it's not 620 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,920 a cat story. It happened in the path. I apologize. It's a 621 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,599 major electrical storm and stuff. Okay, sure, So let's look at this 622 00:48:53,679 --> 00:49:00,760 woodblock from sixteen seventy eight. A friend of mine him, he doesn't know 623 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,960 me well, but I have a lot of respect for him. His name 624 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,639 is Andy Thomas. He's written some books on the crop circle topic, and 625 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:12,360 he's the one who's credited with actually digging this woodblock up in the British archives. 626 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:16,800 And there's a little story behind this woodblock. Obviously, it was created 627 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:22,480 with an old fashioned woodblock for printing the way early papers were printed. You 628 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:29,960 know, we're literally block print presses. So in the late sixteenth century, 629 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,599 right sixteen seventy eight, there was a church that had a newspaper, a 630 00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:39,000 parish paper, and it was in Henceford or Hensonford, I think you pronounced 631 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:43,400 it, which is right in the Wiltshire area today where crop circles are happening. 632 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,880 And an angry farmer came to the parish all upset that not only was 633 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,760 their odd lights floating around his farm the night before that looked like the sky 634 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,159 was on fire and the field was on fire, and he didn't understand what 635 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,760 was happening. But the next morning when he went out, he saw that 636 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,000 his crop was downed. And the article basically said, you know, why 637 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,280 didn't the devil, Why did the devil just lay all this crop down? 638 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,800 Why didn't he just cut it and take it away with him? So the 639 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:21,639 art to pis a little devil actually using like a hatchet or forget what they 640 00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,880 call that us not a sizzle, I write a sigh. It looks like 641 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,000 the devil is cutting the crop. But in fact the story went on to 642 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,000 explain that the crop was downed and it was now you know, attracting bugs 643 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,960 and slugs and flies and birds, and the farmer couldn't harvest it. And 644 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,079 the response was why didn't the devil just take the crop away with him? 645 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,760 So in that mindset, in that period of time, there was this idea 646 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,559 that something supernatural was happening, which I think is really interesting when you look 647 00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:58,440 at the whole consciousness field. Okay, they realized something odd happened, but 648 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,719 they didn't know what to blame it on. They didn't know how to evaluate 649 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:07,760 it. So it was either a faery visited your field and created this like 650 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,880 garden environment for you to go out and be in, or the devil came 651 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,159 by and you were coast. You were being cursed by the mowing devil. 652 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,760 So Shakespeare wrote about fairy rings and this is what he was talking about. 653 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,000 It's just quite interesting. So I just thought it was fascinating that this goes 654 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:30,000 back even to the sixteen hundreds and explained the same sort of thing that we're 655 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,679 happening, you know, that we're finding today in the field. So there 656 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,920 is some historical content. There's also American Indian stories that have happened in our 657 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:44,480 country, certainly in Ohio and in Indiana and Kentucky and even down into North 658 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:51,320 Carolina. Various Indian tribes talked about formations that would occur in their crops and 659 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,960 what would they You know, when you think of the Native Americans, it's 660 00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,039 always like a verbal history, so carried down. It's all only oral history. 661 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,840 In very few places it's recorded, and where it's recorded, it's often 662 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,159 in calvary records or where the cavalry was meeting with Indian chiefs or tribes, 663 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,519 and a lot of times exchanging and even buying food supplies and things like that 664 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:21,719 from them, because a lot of these outposts were not in places where the 665 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,960 servicemen could actually get, you know, the dry goods from the military, 666 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000 so they were exchanging and buying and trading, and there was a lot of 667 00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:35,199 history recording back and forth. Some of that's buried, but some of it's 668 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,760 accessible, and there's fascinating history there, including a history of a war between 669 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,599 giants, which I think is interesting and you know a native tribe of giants 670 00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:50,760 that was killed out by some other tribes, right right, So that's another 671 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:57,719 podcast. Yeah, yeah, So this late seventeenth century woodcut. Was there 672 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,000 any other like written history besides this or is that about? I mean, 673 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,880 that is pretty early, but do you know if it goes any earlier than 674 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:14,159 that. I don't specifically, although I would think that the you know, 675 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:20,360 there probably are records of it. I haven't gone digging for them. I 676 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,719 do know that like during the Second World War, during the major blitz that 677 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:30,000 happened in London, lots of Londoners were children were sent out into the countryside. 678 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,280 Wilshire is about an hour and a half two hours outside of the city 679 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,039 and they these kids were you know, with cousins or with friends or with 680 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,519 families, and a lot of them found their way into crop circles that were 681 00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:46,880 occurring then. So I know that there was a large number of happening in 682 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,079 the thirties and forties, and they're recorded in journals and things like that. 683 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:58,159 Drawings were done of them, personal family histories recorded them, and there are 684 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,280 some photos from the Four Days as well. All right, all right, 685 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,400 well we have to go into break. Um, so you are listening to 686 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,679 podcast UFO on kg R A Radio. My guest tonight is Jennifer Stein, 687 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,840 and we'll be right back right after this commercial break. When did the girls 688 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,400 room? I've been drinking. You go right ahead. I have actually I 689 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:22,400 actually have a skype caller. I'm going to take the caller. So I 690 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,760 think I have you there, Skype caller. What's your first name? Were 691 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:31,119 you calling from Charlotte? Man? I'm calling from Tyler, Texas. Okay, 692 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,119 so we're on break and right now. But did you have a did 693 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,559 you have a question or did you want to talk about something in particular? 694 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,079 Um, well, I have a question, and yes I am calling about 695 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:52,559 something in particular. I just happened on to one of your posts about a 696 00:54:52,639 --> 00:55:01,000 crash of the UFO and Cape Gatamas earlier nineteen forty one. Okay, that's 697 00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:08,679 my story, that's my family. Those pictures that have posted or are not 698 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,960 supposed to be reprinted, they're copyrighted. And I'd like to know where this 699 00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:17,719 story where you all got it from? What website are you? What website 700 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:24,480 are you looking at? Let's see, I just put in a UFO nineteen 701 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:30,239 forty one, and it came up. Okay, that's not my website. 702 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,199 That's all I'm saying. But do you want to tell We've got a few 703 00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:39,440 minutes here if you want to tell the audience about that particular incident. No, 704 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,920 I'm not ready to go public with it yet. I'm trying to. 705 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,199 There's been a lot said about it, and the majority is not true, 706 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,440 and I'm putting that together now. So I just wanted to find out how 707 00:55:53,199 --> 00:56:01,880 Um, yeah, it's not it's not my website. So if you want 708 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,199 to, what I would suggest to do is to go to the website and 709 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,639 look down at the bottom. You might be able to see a webmaster connection 710 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,880 and just connect with them and then you can ask them that that question. 711 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:21,880 Okay, all right, thank you, all right, thank you. All 712 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,679 right, I'm back. You're back. Yes, Um, So we'll get 713 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,440 back into the crop circles. We have a couple of minutes. It looks 714 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:35,679 like left and so this is where again I like to talk about off topics. 715 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,920 So I see, I'm trying to see in your bookcases back behind you. 716 00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:42,920 I see a couple of interesting looking images I got out some of my 717 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,840 little guys in the background. What are they called ebe awards that open, 718 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,639 that's what it is. Yeah, that's what they're standing area. Yeah. 719 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,199 I just sometimes when I do a radio show, I like to pop them 720 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,239 in there. Uh. Now, when you're actually filmmaking, do you do 721 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,639 a lot of the work, um, at your actually at your home right 722 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:07,440 in this room? Yep, yep, right here. Yeah, I can 723 00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,039 turn my my computer just a little bit, like this is my editing suite 724 00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:15,079 right here. You know, this is kind of under my desk, but 725 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,360 yeah, this is my my little suite right here. And uh it's lots 726 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,960 of bookshelves, you know behind me. Um, I don't know if I 727 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,679 screwed that up a little bit. No, that's fine. Yeah yeah, 728 00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:32,679 so yeah, you see mostly mostly me. Okay, that's the way to 729 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,480 keep the budget blow. Right now, it sounds like your microphone. May 730 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:39,800 can you just check the connection on your microphone? Sure? Sure, sure, 731 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,920 I might have just moved it. I don't know, it's not the 732 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,960 connection. It was tapping on her jewelry, oh smart, Okay, can 733 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,400 you she actually she actually put the mica side over on her left ear this 734 00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,679 time, when it was on her right side before. Okay, Um, 735 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,719 I actually was watching when it that that is just a gorgeous necklace album. 736 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,239 Oh isn't it you? It is? It absolutely is. Yeah. Well, 737 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,679 of course I have on wings as my motif for my business because my 738 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,199 name, my maiden name is Wing before I got married. It's Norwegian, 739 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,480 so I like, I like the wing imagery I use. I used wing 740 00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:25,039 as my first email, put an S on the end of it. It's 741 00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:29,280 wyn Ge so I put an S on the end of it, and I 742 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,719 put Oen on the front because I married the name Stein. So that's kind 743 00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:38,760 of like a stone, right, Martin. There's the interesting little tidbits people 744 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:44,199 will never get anywhere else but right here off the air. All right, 745 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,199 we're are we coming up on the coming? Yes sir, Yes, sir. 746 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,840 We've got about twenty five seconds. All right, we count down. 747 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:55,880 Okay, that sounds good. All right, So um when we get back, 748 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,800 Um, Jennifer, why don't we get into some more the visuals that 749 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,000 we can pull up on you two? I will all right, sounds good, 750 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,000 I'll pull up the next one in order, which is thirteen. All 751 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:15,199 right, Welcome back to a podcast UFO on kg R A Radio, kg 752 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:20,519 R A Radio dot Com. My guest Jennifer Stein, and we're talking crop 753 00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:28,239 circles, So I think it's someone that said to me, you know what 754 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,159 is the connect Is there a connection between UFOs and crop circles? And it's 755 00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:36,320 kind of a blurry line because I know that. Well, for instance, 756 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:43,800 Nancy over at BLT the Crop Circles scientific study there, she claims that there 757 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,119 was some type of like orb flying over a field. The next day there 758 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:52,320 was a crop circle. A lot of people talk about orbs. Do you 759 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:58,280 do you hear a connection between orbs and crop circles? Well, if we're 760 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:04,599 going to identify an or as a UFO, then yes, we don't really 761 01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,239 understand. You remember the woodblock we were just talking about before we went to 762 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:13,960 break That farmer had odd lights above his field, Like he said, the 763 01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:19,280 sky was a flame and he was afraid his field would catch on fire because 764 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,159 he saw these weird lights dancing around in his crop and he couldn't figure out 765 01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:25,679 what it is. And I'll tell you, if you're in England in a 766 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:32,119 dry season with a fire going in a field, it's frightening because it could 767 01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,880 be a massive fire quickly, like these fires we've seen in Los Angeles area 768 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:43,760 and throughout California and of course Arizona and in Mexico. You don't want a 769 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:49,199 fire and a super dry crop because it will spread like wildfire. So I 770 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,880 don't know. I can't prove that UFOs are causing crop circles. So usually 771 01:00:54,920 --> 01:01:00,320 when I present and talk, I try to keep a fairly signcientific and grounded 772 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:07,400 approach because I don't want to exclude people who would just blow me off or 773 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:13,280 blow the topic off because they think either I don't know what I'm talking about, 774 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,000 or you know, people who think that aliens are making crop circles are 775 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:22,199 nuts. You know, there are people who make those judgment calls, so 776 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:27,920 they exclude themselves from the mystery of figuring out what's going on. Now. 777 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:31,639 I've been studying and researching this like in depth, like reading white papers and 778 01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:37,599 research papers, studying earthquake phenomenon. What happens then right before an earthquake happens, 779 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,280 we also see unusual lights going on right on the surface of the ground. 780 01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:47,440 They call these plasma discharges or coronal mess you know, not not coronal 781 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:53,960 that's the sun, but they're like plasma explosions that take place and or their 782 01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:59,280 orbs that fly around sometimes right before an earthquake is going to happen, So 783 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:05,159 that might something to do with what's going on under the ground. And Nancy 784 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,400 actually brought this out quite well. I met a man I think his name 785 01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:17,159 is Glen Burton Wharton. He's English and he has studied in depth the aquifers, 786 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,599 and what is happening electrically in those aquifers in the summer is quite interesting. 787 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:29,119 You have water percolating through what we call green sand or limestone aquifers. 788 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,760 So just imagine like a trough of stones, and the water percolates through them, 789 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:37,079 and it settles down through those stones, even fine stones and sand, 790 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,880 and when it does, electrons are peeled off the oxygen bond you know, 791 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,719 I mean the hydrogen and oxygen bond that makes up water. So when you 792 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:53,559 have these radical electrons right flying off their positive electrons, usually they can actually 793 01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:58,480 seep up to the surface. And when you have a lot of positive ions 794 01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:06,639 like that are positive electors gathering, they're going to attract other positive ions or 795 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,880 positive electrons in the air, and you may have something happening similar to lightning, 796 01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:15,760 but it's happening on a different level. It's happening on like lightning is 797 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:21,320 often a positive feeder that goes up to a positive feeder coming down from the 798 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,440 clouds the bottom side of the clouds, and when those two meet, you 799 01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:29,360 have a circuit, and when the circuit links, you will see the lightning 800 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,840 because the charge that's build up in the ground and in the cloud can release 801 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,719 itself, and as soon as that happens, then you have this, you 802 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,159 know, release of the water that can fall from that cloud. So what's 803 01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:49,280 going on is a very interesting electrical relationship between the ground and the lower part 804 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,480 of the atmosphere of the underside of the cloud. There might be something happening 805 01:03:52,639 --> 01:04:00,719 similarly with plasmas that we don't yet fully understand that creates this artifacting of orbs 806 01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:09,079 that we see an encounter. And since consciousness in our physical makeup has a 807 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:15,039 lot to do with light and electricity, we may be actually able to consciously 808 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:21,800 interact with that source, that power source, because we are electrical ourselves and 809 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:30,039 we are conscious. So there may be a level of some kind of sophisticated 810 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:34,000 understanding of conscious science that we don't yet know how to language that may be 811 01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:40,320 interfacing with what's going on in crop circles. This is kind of where I've 812 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,639 been been drawn into, basically by looking at earthquake studies believe it or not, 813 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:51,599 and corresponding with physicists and plasma physicists as well discussing this topic a wonderful 814 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:57,119 man. I go to the Electric Universe conferences to try to understand what they're 815 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,480 talking about, because it all deals with electricity and basically what we think of 816 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:06,920 a dark batter and dark energy really being current like electrical current that we don't 817 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,320 are not aware of. But once we understand that, it's like an ocean 818 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,920 that we can float on in space, not only float on, but used 819 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,519 to power our ships or our environments. We can create and we may even 820 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:25,159 be able to travel faster than the speed of light. It's the speed of 821 01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:29,480 an electron supposedly is faster than the speed of light. Now I have a 822 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,199 hard time wrapping my brain around that, but that's what wal Thornhill last told 823 01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:35,880 me, and he's one of the main key people working with the Electric universe. 824 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:41,960 So it's just something to think about. I haven't heard that. I 825 01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:45,280 kind of went off topic a little bit there, but it does relate to 826 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,719 consciousness, UFOs and crop circles and what's really going on. Great. I 827 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:55,199 appreciate that. Now the other thing I think you want to talk about was 828 01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:02,639 the elongated nodes. Yeah, back to some more basic simple science when I 829 01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:06,559 talked about the fact that you can look at some of what we call the 830 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:12,559 data of the trace evidence right in the field that opens people's minds that might 831 01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:16,239 otherwise be closed. So if we're looking at slide thirteen, we can see 832 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:21,639 a little picture of a formation looks like a circle with two maybe half shells 833 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,079 or half moons, and two little circles in it. That occurred. Of 834 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:30,800 course, as the slide says June fourteenth, two thousand and seven, this 835 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:38,079 is from this may be from the BLT research site, but it's also from 836 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,239 Jeff Wilson site, so both of them researched this particular formation. And you 837 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,360 can see that these are nodes of a wheat crop. So the node is 838 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,639 an area where, like your finger, the crop will grow in a more 839 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,440 cellulous way, and then they'll have a water rich area, which is a 840 01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:00,840 node where it jump starts its next step of growth, and that it'll grow 841 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,599 quickly and then it'll rest, and it'll grow quickly and it'll rest. And 842 01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:09,559 so there are many nodes on different types of crops, whether they're we barley 843 01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:14,159 corn, even soybeans have nodes and it's the water rich part of the crop. 844 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,440 So what happens when a crop gets affected by these high intense energies, 845 01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:23,360 We believe because we've been able to mimic it sort of in a microwave, 846 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,239 the fluid heats up, and when it heats up, it has to expand, 847 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,679 so it expands out the most water rich part of the crop, which 848 01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:38,400 is usually the node. So the nodes can elongate or stretch, or even 849 01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:43,719 sometimes we have what we call expulsion cavities where the node actually explodes. So 850 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,039 various different things happen depending on the amount of energy that's hitting the crop and 851 01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:51,760 causing this incident to occur. So you have two samples of nodes here. 852 01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:57,360 One is called the control taken from outside the formation, and the other as 853 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,239 a inside the formation noted as formation. And you can see that one is 854 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,960 like twice as long as the other. I think we're looking at centimeters here, 855 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,440 and one is like eight to nine centimeters or I'm sorry, not not 856 01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,320 quite one full centimeter, and the other is like a half a centimeter, 857 01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:19,720 So it's twice twice the side inside the formation as opposed to outside. Now, 858 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:25,039 what also is a misinterpretation I like to point out for people is the 859 01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:30,199 darkening does not reflect that the node is burned or that the crop is burned. 860 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,000 That shows that the fluid quickly seeped through the node as it stretched and 861 01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:41,920 elongated, and bug showed up, flies and gnats and landed on that fluid 862 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,800 and ate it or sucked it up, used it for energy, and left 863 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,079 behind bacteria which then decays. And that's a process known as necrosis. So 864 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:56,000 you're looking at the darkening of the crop and you I noted the process of 865 01:08:56,079 --> 01:09:00,439 necrosis at the bottom of the slide. So it's just goes to show you 866 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,640 that when you start to dig into this, there's a lot of science there. 867 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,760 So we can jump to the next slide unless you want it inter Yeah, 868 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:14,479 sure, no, I think it's it's interesting that there's actually physically there's 869 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:20,159 physical changes that happen that it's not actually a break. You know, you'd 870 01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:24,680 expect that if it was stomped down, it would be a break. Is 871 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:29,279 there anything physically that someone could do to make it do that? Or is 872 01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:33,159 it has to be through heat or something you can't in a controlled environment, 873 01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:39,600 you can't make it do what it does. I've been in known hoaxed formations 874 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:44,720 like those advertising ads I told you about before. We never see this kind 875 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,680 of stuff in those never never. Well, in fact, we see broken 876 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,439 crops right at the stem, and a lot of times we can see board 877 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:58,279 marks and footmarks. You can see footmarks in the field. You can see 878 01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,239 pole marks where people put and polls, and they did things with string to 879 01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:05,159 get an exact circle. You can do with a simple poll and string for 880 01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:09,880 a radius, you know. So yeah, yeah, we can easily find 881 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,880 things. So if you're looking at slide fifteen, you can see this is 882 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,720 from that same formation. Oh I'm sorry, it's a different formation, forgive 883 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,399 me, but around the same period of time. It's July fourth, two 884 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:24,439 thousand and three. This was in Wisconsin. You can see a little picture 885 01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:30,079 of the three circles that appeared. And this formation actually had an eyewitness to 886 01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:32,600 it. I think his name is Art Rontala. He watched this happen. 887 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:38,279 So Jeff Wilson is pictured there with Art Rontala and another guy named Roger Sturgeon, 888 01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:42,680 and they went out to investigate it. Here you can clearly see on 889 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,319 the left hand side a clear what we call an expulsion cavity, where the 890 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,800 literally the side of the node is not only enlarged, but it's blown out 891 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,520 and you can see into the inner part of the crop. But not only 892 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,800 that, right above it, you'll see the wheat head which is sitting on 893 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,159 You're supposed to be sitting right on top of the crop, but instead the 894 01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:10,720 wheat head is pushed off and there's this long curly cue from the top of 895 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,840 the wheat stalk to the wheat head. Can you see that that little curly 896 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,600 cue thing there. It's quite fascinating. The other thing you're looking at is 897 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:25,640 a magnet holding the soil. Okay, if you go out in your yard 898 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,319 with a magnet, it's doubtful that the soil is going to stick to a 899 01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:32,399 magnet. But in a crop circle, what we find when we look at 900 01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:36,199 the soil under a microscope, which is also pictured there on that slide, 901 01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:45,560 we find not only interesting coagulations of metallic and magnetic metals that are clumped together, 902 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,000 but we also find these little tiny things that look like ball bearings. 903 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:53,319 Right, we can see them under a microscope. They're like what you would 904 01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:57,239 have in a rolling drawer in your kitchen or something. If you had a 905 01:11:57,319 --> 01:12:00,239 rolling ball bearings in a sliding dwar or something like that. Now, how 906 01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:04,560 to those form? They're perfectly spherical, there's a lot of evidence, but 907 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:10,840 they could be forming by something coming down quickly with a plasma energy from the 908 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,039 upper atmosphere because we have large amounts of magnetic dust up there. And if 909 01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,960 you have plasma energy, that could actually draw those things together because they're magnetic, 910 01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:24,720 keep them, spiral them, spin them, thrust them down to the 911 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,520 ground because of some kind of release or exchange going on. Remember we were 912 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,920 talking about the ground and the upper atmosphere connecting like lightning, but different. 913 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:39,159 There could be a plasma dis charge pulling these down to the ground, or 914 01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:44,439 they could fall to the ground. Because the time that croft circles occur is 915 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,079 very, very very early in the morning. It's like three thirty four thirty 916 01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:53,720 in the morning. And what's actually happening electrically is you have to kind of 917 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,279 go back and look at the subtle earth energies that are going on at that 918 01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:01,399 period of time. You're just beginning to come up on sunrise, so the 919 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,319 sun is coming up on the far side of the Earth, and it's pushing 920 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,439 mass amounts of electrical charge across the surface of the Earth like a wave, 921 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,199 just like the wave of an ocean. You don't see it, but it's 922 01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:15,520 happening on the surface. So as the sun comes up, you have this 923 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,920 circular wave of energy going on with electrical charges from the ground up to the 924 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:26,880 upper atmosphere. You also have a very very very thin ionosphere, which is 925 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,560 our electrical barrier, right. That is kind of like our atmosphere is below 926 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:39,079 it and the megasphere is above it. And this is hugely important as well, 927 01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:43,239 because if a plasma is going to penetrate this, this is the thinnest 928 01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:45,920 part of its life in a twenty four hour cycle, and it would be 929 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,840 very easy for it to penetrate. So maybe these little tiny balls that you're 930 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:57,439 looking at that I was talking about earlier, these little tiny round spheres, 931 01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:02,359 maybe they are literally being helmeted down onto the crop. And that's probably what 932 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,359 makes the crop circle magnetic. Because when you walk in and you're on a 933 01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:11,720 cell phone call, right, your cell phone drops off and you step outside 934 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,199 of the formation, right, You can take your phone and hold it inside 935 01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:18,399 the formation or outside the formation outside your bars come back and you have your 936 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,880 call. You take it inside the edge of the formation and it disappears. 937 01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:29,199 So often there's a magnetic field happening inside these formations, which is really fascinating. 938 01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:32,960 So what's causing it? Large amounts of magnetic debris could be creating a 939 01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:41,920 field. One quick question about those little spheres. Did you also test outside 940 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,239 of the circle to see if they were out and they were not there? 941 01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:48,720 Not? No, no, they are not, and the coagulation of the 942 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:54,479 soils are not. So usually when a formation is tested scientifically, there's a 943 01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,520 line drawn through it. I don't think. I let me look and see 944 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,039 if I gave us a slide. M I didn't really, I didn't really 945 01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:05,840 give us a good slide showing how the evaluations are done. But basically, 946 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:10,439 we draw like a big line through the crop, sometimes two, three or 947 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,680 four if we can, and they're not only inside the crop but outside the 948 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,119 crop on certain trajectories that cross, so we can compare, Okay, is 949 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:23,279 something happening on the sunline, or is something happening on the waterline, or 950 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,880 you know, and we can look at outside and inside and look for comparisons 951 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,439 and we usually find them, and then all that data is plotted on a 952 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:38,439 graph. So what about the metallurgy of the spheres did you discover what exactly? 953 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:44,479 Were they anything unusual? Actually, yes, there was a lot of 954 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:49,640 work done by BLT Research, and there are some peer review documents on Nancy 955 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:56,079 Talbot's website that people can go and look at that really go into great depth. 956 01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,359 In fact, Nelson Rockefeller, I think it was no LaRence Rockefeller actually 957 01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:06,000 donated close to one hundred thousand dollars to do an in depth research with a 958 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:13,159 number of researchers to specifically look at the soil samples that were and look at 959 01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:19,039 the metal samples and look at the crop damage. And a major clay mineralologist 960 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:25,479 named Reynolds. Can't remember his first name, but the professor Reynolds said he 961 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:30,800 was really, really really perplexed because the amount of heat that it would take 962 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:36,399 to create something like he was looking at. In the study focused on the 963 01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:42,399 crystallinity that happened to the clay minerals, So it wasn't just the metals specifically, 964 01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:46,800 but it was the different types of iliac and Smeckt types of clay minerals. 965 01:16:47,039 --> 01:16:51,279 They were crystallized, but the only way to get them crystallized would require 966 01:16:51,800 --> 01:17:00,359 close to fifteen hundred degrees fahrenheit over a long period of time, though water 967 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:09,159 and moisture and whatever liquid was in that crop to escape before that um soil 968 01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:13,800 could become crystalline. And interestingly, where the nodes were the greatest in a 969 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,680 formation, the crystallinity peaks were the highest on what's called the Coogler index charts 970 01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:26,279 that they looked at for the data. So that's fascinating. It is anything 971 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,680 anything that can be looked at, UM that's unusual like this in a scientific 972 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:36,479 way to me, you know, deserves a really close look. So sure 973 01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:42,479 sure does, Sure sure does. And of course we can. We can 974 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:47,920 jump to slide eighteen if you want. I believe that is a grasshopper. 975 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,000 Um, that's melted right over a stock. Um. You know, we 976 01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:57,239 didn't get slide eighteen. I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, 977 01:17:57,239 --> 01:18:00,319 sorry, Wait a minute, there's we have one something about a grasshopper. 978 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,319 It wasn't Maybe I'm totally wrong. So go ahead, Well we'll pop the 979 01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:10,319 Unusual Animal and Insect Findings, it says across the top. Yeah yeah, 980 01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:13,640 we got it, got it? Yeah yeah, okay, mine says eighteen. 981 01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:18,520 And you know, I might have pulled slides from Oh that's okay. 982 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:23,119 I have a lot of different power point presentations and stuff goes in and stuff 983 01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:26,880 comes out, and the slide numbers change. But that's This is the type 984 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,039 of thing you find a lot and you're kind of trained to start to look 985 01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:33,840 for as a crop circle researcher. So you can clearly see that grasshopper's body 986 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:40,920 is melted right over that crop. So we find flies, we find sometimes 987 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,359 hard cooked eggs, we find you know, even somebody found a cooked porky 988 01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:50,359 pine cooked mice. It looks like they were microwaved. Wow, and and 989 01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:57,199 are these these actually are you sure that these things are like cooked and not 990 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:05,960 just preserved somehow by well, they're dead and it looks like they were scrambling. 991 01:19:06,319 --> 01:19:11,199 Like. We find flies stuck to the crop. Now, what is 992 01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:14,720 going to what is going to take a large group of flies and cook them 993 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,520 to the end of a wheat stalk. I'm sorry I didn't put one of 994 01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,479 those slides in for you, But you shake the stalk and the flies don't 995 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:25,079 come up. The flies are literally melted onto that crop. They're fused with 996 01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:30,319 the crop. So something pretty significant happened. Yeah, And that's what we 997 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,880 try to pay attention to as a crop circle researcher. And another thing that 998 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:38,119 I look at I don't think I even put a slide in about this. 999 01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:42,359 I did not, But I go and look at what we call randomly down 1000 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:47,199 crop. Any of your listeners, especially if they live near agricultural areas, 1001 01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:49,840 they're going to be driving along the side of the highway and look out and 1002 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:55,760 see large areas that look like they're messy and down and the rest of the 1003 01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:00,640 crop is standing up. If they've got time and it's they're not worried about 1004 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,439 trespassing, or they know the farmer, you know, go knock on the 1005 01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,479 farmer's door and say, hey, can I take a look in your crop, 1006 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,039 Like, what's what's going on at here? Why did your crop suddenly 1007 01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:15,039 fall over? And why is it not standing straight up? It's not wind. 1008 01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:18,239 If it was wind, the crop would fall over and then right itself 1009 01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:23,039 back up. But this crop is permanently downed, and it looks like something 1010 01:20:23,039 --> 01:20:26,640 electrical happen to it, like and you could almost see what looks like a 1011 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,880 wave that ran through it. And I think it's like an electrical wave, 1012 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:36,199 like a plasma wave because plasmas operate in similar ways that other fluid dynamics do, 1013 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:42,159 but they're much much, much, much much more powerful. I spend 1014 01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:47,279 a year reading Anthony Perett's book about the physical nature of the plasma universe, 1015 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,520 and I have to confess, like a lot of the map I just I 1016 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,479 let it go over my head. I did you know. I do have 1017 01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,359 a Bachelor of Science, and I did do a lot of chemistry for my 1018 01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:05,439 undergraduate degree, which was in textiles. But you spend time reading Anthony Parat's 1019 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:09,720 book and you start looking at the geometries and the way plasmas behave, and 1020 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:14,680 then you start looking at crop circles and you see the similarity immediately, and 1021 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,680 you understand the powerful force that plasma energies have, and you can begin to 1022 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:24,000 extrapolate, as I think I have that something electrical is going on. So 1023 01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:29,439 I really need to find a good geologist and good physical plasma expert who'd be 1024 01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,399 willing to start exploring this with me. I've started a dialogue with Gerald Wolf 1025 01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:39,640 and another man named Friedman Stanton, not the Stanton different guy. Yeah, 1026 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:44,079 wow, this makes reverse Yeah really that really makes a lot of people up. 1027 01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:49,239 Yeah, it's similar to it there's a new in his name. Someone 1028 01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:53,319 in the chat room had a question. They wanted to know do these crop 1029 01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:58,319 circles ever appear in corn fields? Yeah? Yees. In fact, let's 1030 01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:03,279 jump to a corn field presentation. It's slide thirty three. Right, yep, 1031 01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:06,920 we'll get that right up. Okay, that's up now, so go 1032 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:13,479 ahead. That's cornfield cornfield, Yeah, it's it's an aerial shot taken from 1033 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,680 an airplane. I talked to the guy who walked into this formation. I 1034 01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,159 met him at a conference in Ohio, and he said to me, Jen, 1035 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:24,800 he said, it had been raining, it'd been this huge storm the 1036 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,119 night before. It was muddy. My boots were covered with mud when I 1037 01:22:28,119 --> 01:22:31,359 walked into this. And when I got to the actual formation, the soil 1038 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,920 where the formation is was dry. He said it was his He was a 1039 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:39,319 builder, and he said it was like drywall. And he started like banging 1040 01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:42,840 his fists or his thumb, you know, his knuckle on the table, 1041 01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,000 and he's saying, you know, it's like it's hardness, drywall, Like 1042 01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:47,560 I couldn't put my finger through the soil. And I was like, wow, 1043 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,359 well that's interesting, you know, it is strange. Yeah, this, 1044 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,039 of course this picture is done by Chris Steele. I always like to 1045 01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:02,399 add and note he's from the ICCRA, one of Jeff Wilson's researchers, and 1046 01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:09,960 this formation had blown collars or blown notes in the corn stock, actually all 1047 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,479 the way up the stock. I did get to look at pictures of them. 1048 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,920 I didn't research this one myself, but the soil was dry and very 1049 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:21,479 magnetic. And one of the things that we didn't talk about yet but I'm 1050 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:26,479 hoping to get to is the fact that it was near an ancient mound. 1051 01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:30,319 And in fact, one of the next slides I have for you is thirty 1052 01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:34,920 five. Okay, it actually has two mounds pictured there for you. But 1053 01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:43,000 this corn formation that you're looking at was less than a sixteenth of a mile 1054 01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,640 from what's called the Miamisburg Mound, which is on the left. This is 1055 01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,479 one of the largest conical mounds that we have in the United States, meaning 1056 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,520 it just it looks like the one on the right, but you can't see 1057 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:59,359 it as well. It's also the Miamisburg Mound looks smaller than Silbury Hill. 1058 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,159 Two researchers from the Smithsonian named Squire and Davis, were assigned a job in 1059 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:10,199 the eighteen fifties to go around and research a lot of the ancient mounds in 1060 01:24:10,279 --> 01:24:16,840 Ohio and Kentucky and Wisconsin, in Indiana and in many cases take them apart. 1061 01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:21,319 And I believe they took this mound apart. We know historically they did, 1062 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,000 and when they put it back together, they didn't quite do it right, 1063 01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,159 because it's wider at the bottom. It's kind of cock eyed at the 1064 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:32,359 top, but it has a number of steps up the top. It has 1065 01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:39,840 a flat plateau at the top. And this is in an area called Miamisburg 1066 01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:44,000 because the mound, well, the mound is named the Miamisburg Mound because it's 1067 01:24:44,039 --> 01:24:49,800 closest to Miamisburg, Ohio. But we think our mounds in our country are 1068 01:24:50,359 --> 01:24:56,720 maybe a thousand years old or less, you know, we don't. We 1069 01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,039 think the Native Americans built them, which is probably not true, because the 1070 01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:03,760 Native Americans often said in their oral histories and they're written histories that the cavalry 1071 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,319 have, that we we didn't build the mound, so they were here before. 1072 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,720 We honored the people who built them before. And in many cases there 1073 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,239 are stories linked to this giant race. I was talking about red hair, 1074 01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:19,920 blue eyed giants who were involved in mound building. But that's another story. 1075 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:25,000 There's also a whole theory that it could be a race of Nubians or a 1076 01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:30,880 group who had been here from Egypt mining precious metals up on the top of 1077 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,199 Wisconsin and bringing them down the Mississippi River, but again that's another podcast. 1078 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:40,279 So you're seeing a mound on the opposite side called Silbury Hill, and this 1079 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,319 mound is in England, considered to be close to four to five thousand years 1080 01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:47,439 old, you know, in fact, yeah, at least that or longer. 1081 01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,239 And many people think the Druids made them. But let's jump to our 1082 01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:55,920 next slide because you're going to see these both from the air. In the 1083 01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,600 next slide. I think that number is thirty six. Okay, hey, 1084 01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:05,479 just let you know I'm going to be accepting phone calls and is that okay 1085 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:10,720 with you? Oh? Absolutely, yeah, So that number will be up 1086 01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,039 on the screen. It's already over at the chat in KGr A radio, 1087 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,079 so that number is coming right up. Here we go. So when you 1088 01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:23,319 look at these two mounds, they are still in the same place. Miamisburg 1089 01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,479 is on the left and Silbury Hill is on the right, So they look 1090 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,560 like the same mound when you look at them from the air, don't they 1091 01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:38,159 you do? Yeah, it doesn't take a rocket science to think that maybe 1092 01:26:38,199 --> 01:26:43,039 the same culture that built these in Europe and in England might have been involved 1093 01:26:43,039 --> 01:26:46,039 in also building them here in the United States. And we have overlooked this 1094 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:50,279 history. You know, there's this manifest destiny that was brought into place by 1095 01:26:50,319 --> 01:26:57,039 our founding fathers who really wanted to eradicate any type of traditional or Native American 1096 01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:00,680 or indigenous histories that we're here and you know very little about the cultures that 1097 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,960 built these mounds. But remember what we were talking about before about how greensand 1098 01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:18,119 aquifers are very interesting, geologically profound, electrically stimulating areas. These mounds, 1099 01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:23,640 both in England and in the United States are built in areas where you have 1100 01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:30,119 large greensand aquifers under the ground. Is that because there is a conscious connection 1101 01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:35,640 that these ancient cultures somehow understood They were probably meditators. I mean, they 1102 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:43,000 didn't have all the electronic distractions of course that we have. They probably paid 1103 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,920 attention to their intuition and maybe their intuition was heightened or their awareness was heightened 1104 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:59,319 around areas that had these geologic electrical charges, and maybe they built these geometric 1105 01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:08,000 shapes because that magnified their their ability to perceive or connect into the more subtle 1106 01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:13,319 realms of consciousness. I suspect there's an overlap. There's a wonderful book by 1107 01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,399 John Burke, who actually worked with Nancy Talbot. That's them, I think 1108 01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:25,119 the b in BLT. So John Burke wrote a book called Stone of Stone 1109 01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:29,560 of Knowledge, Seed of Plenty I think was the name of the book, 1110 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:38,000 and he leads his reader to the awareness that ancient cultures had a relationship with 1111 01:28:38,039 --> 01:28:43,439 the land that we've lost in our current day culture. And if there is 1112 01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,880 a form of consciousness trying to reach out to us and communicate, this would 1113 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:53,560 be a perfect environment in which to do it, where you have electrical powers 1114 01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:58,479 in the ground that can affect our consciousness and that can affect the crop and 1115 01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:04,000 the geometries. And I don't know, but I have to pay attention to 1116 01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:10,319 this. And following that thought, I'm gonna call out another slide for you. 1117 01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,439 One of the next one's thirty seven. Okay, So these are additional 1118 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:21,159 shaped ancient mounds, different than conical mounds. So these are not just peaks 1119 01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:27,239 that look like pyramids or hills made out of soil. These are circles. 1120 01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:31,880 These are huge like oval geometries laid on the ground. They're about ten foot 1121 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:36,199 high, you know, and then ten foot drops and then on one side 1122 01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:44,119 there is a deep ridge. So again on the right we have English large 1123 01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:47,000 mounds. One is called Avebury. There's a whole town inside of this. 1124 01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:51,640 We're looking at like eighty acres. That's how big this thing is. And 1125 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:57,800 they're used to be stones laid inside this mound. And of course at the 1126 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:02,479 bottom is Stonehenge. So many people do not realize that the builders of Stonehenge 1127 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:11,039 also built an earthen mound which is outside the stone perimeters. So there's something 1128 01:30:11,079 --> 01:30:16,119 about geometryes on the ground that are very profound. Is it because being inside 1129 01:30:16,199 --> 01:30:20,640 a geometry, see that we know sacred geometry is very profound when we look 1130 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:25,239 at it, it gives us a sense of balance, like listening to classical 1131 01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:29,720 music, right, But what if there's a huge geometry that you're standing in 1132 01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:33,399 and then you're meditating and you've got these electrical things going on to the ground 1133 01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:39,920 and the sky and different times of day when energies are different. Is there 1134 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:45,960 is there something significant here. I think the ancient cultures knew that, and 1135 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:51,880 there was and even Stonehenge s Mound has a doorway opening to it. If 1136 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,880 you look at the whole circle, it seems to go all the way around, 1137 01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,159 except it doesn't completely meet. There's an entrance. Can you see that 1138 01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:03,199 at the bottom of the slide that aligned with a solstice. So these were 1139 01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:08,760 pointing to astronomical alignments. I mean many people said Stonehenge, well, it 1140 01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,600 was a clock, you know, it was a way to tell time galactically 1141 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:17,119 possibly or to mark changes in procession. You know, every seventy one years 1142 01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:24,840 there's a shift in our relationship with our pole star and with our I'm sorry, 1143 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,600 not with our pole star, with our zodiacal constellations. You know, 1144 01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,840 we move very very slowly. I think it's twenty six thousand years before we 1145 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,319 make a full cycle. Well, the only way you're going to be able 1146 01:31:34,359 --> 01:31:39,079 to know that is with something like Stonehenge on the ground looking at the night 1147 01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:43,640 sky. That's how you mark your procession. So when you look at ancient 1148 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,640 cultures, they paid attention to these long, long, long counts of twenty 1149 01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:53,600 six, twenty seven, twenty nine thousand years. You know, we worry 1150 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:58,039 about what's happening in this quarter right with us four months. You know, 1151 01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:01,199 it's it's a very different mind at these ancient cultures. So jumping to the 1152 01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:06,399 opposite side of the slide, we're looking at mounds that are identical to these 1153 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,720 mounds, and they're in the United States. So one is in Newark. 1154 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:16,119 It's in Licking County, and it's actually a golf course. That's the only 1155 01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:21,720 way it survived to today. Unless these mounds are bought and preserved, often 1156 01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:26,359 by private investors, they are going by the wayside. I mean, we've 1157 01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:31,880 lost probably over a million of them. And I mean that's my personal destination, 1158 01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,239 but I could be way off. But below the Licking Mound is the 1159 01:32:36,279 --> 01:32:41,279 Newark Mound. It's not too far from Columbus, so people flying in and 1160 01:32:41,279 --> 01:32:45,760 out of Ohio, it's about a fifteen minute drive from the Columbus airport. 1161 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,720 And every time I fly in and out of there, if I go for 1162 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:53,359 a lecture or I visit friends or family in Ohio, I just I love 1163 01:32:53,399 --> 01:32:59,279 to take time and just you head over the highway and it's literally not a 1164 01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:01,239 bad drive at all, and just go and walk up in this mound. 1165 01:33:01,359 --> 01:33:08,000 It's like breathtakingly beautiful. I do remember that as far as Native Americans go, 1166 01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:13,399 I believe it's the Micmac Indians native to the area I live in in 1167 01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:20,000 northern New England. They built they built mounds for burial purposes, but they 1168 01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:25,159 were much smaller than you know, these massive mounds that you're you're talking about. 1169 01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:30,399 So there is some there is some Native American culture that did believe in, 1170 01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,840 you know, building mounds. Yeah, but you're right, history is 1171 01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:39,800 lost, so you know, we we have we're a society of amnesia. 1172 01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,159 Really we really don't have. You think about how long humans are supposed to 1173 01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,199 be here, and we really don't know. We don't really have a much 1174 01:33:46,199 --> 01:33:51,079 of a clue when you go back. You're absolutely right. Squire and Davis 1175 01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:57,920 did find a number of mounds with bodies in them, but usually the bodies 1176 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,960 were above the layer of the mound, so like if it's a conical mound, 1177 01:34:02,359 --> 01:34:05,880 the bodies were buried in they were like literally dug holes and they were 1178 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:12,439 slid in. So it's not thought that many of the mounds were built originally 1179 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,800 intended as burial mounds. And in fact, if we want to jump to 1180 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,920 slide thirty eight. We can look at some of the other things that Squire 1181 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:25,880 and Davis dug up, and their books are readily available from the Smithsonian. 1182 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:29,640 You can go and find them if anybody wants to google and research them. 1183 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:34,720 They worked for probably ten years for the Smithsonian and they really documented their work. 1184 01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:40,680 They drew pictures and they used early survey equipment to mark the size and 1185 01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,479 the shape of them and the artifacts that they found. So this slide thirty 1186 01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:50,279 eight has bone artifacts, okay, that were made probably by the indigenous Indians 1187 01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:56,279 and then buried inside this particular mound, Middle Valley Mound, which is in 1188 01:34:56,359 --> 01:35:01,600 Illinois. So just looking at those geometry, it looks like Pennsylvania duckt symbolism, 1189 01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:06,399 doesn't it. Or you could say it looks like crop circles right, 1190 01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:14,159 or also looks like the Pacific Northwest some of their designs. Yes, So 1191 01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:19,640 indigenous cultures had an understanding of geometry that meant something to them, almost like 1192 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:25,800 a conscious symbol, whether it was the wholism of life, or the balance 1193 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:30,640 of life, or the interaction of life, or literally the impact of charges 1194 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:35,960 coming together and releasing. What's very interesting, Martin is when I was reading 1195 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:42,039 Anthony Paratt's book, and I started to look at how plasmas impact and the 1196 01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:45,359 type of shapes and forms they can make, like on a steel witness plate, 1197 01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:50,039 if you're using a plasma gun and a lab. Wow, I started 1198 01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:56,399 to see crop circle formations all over the place. That's what was really interesting. 1199 01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,479 I also when I speak on crop circle, I pull up a little 1200 01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,560 video that I didn't make available to you because I wasn't sure we had the 1201 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:11,760 ability to share them. But wal Thornhill, who works with the Electric Universe, 1202 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,880 has demonstrated something called bennett Z pinch, which is a plasma activity that 1203 01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:23,079 happens. It's it's actually you can do it with just electromagnetic charge as well, 1204 01:36:23,319 --> 01:36:28,560 but magnetism can force things to collapse and move very very quickly. And 1205 01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:32,000 he shows a demonstration which looks like one of these slides where you have it's 1206 01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:36,239 the darkest one. It's like a light circle on the outside and a dark 1207 01:36:36,319 --> 01:36:44,199 pinching set of wings that look like they're all connected. It's the second from 1208 01:36:44,199 --> 01:36:48,640 the bottom and it's on the left of those symbols we're looking at that are 1209 01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:55,000 shell symbols done by traditional tribes. So wal Thornhill can demonstrate that with a 1210 01:36:55,079 --> 01:37:00,600 coke can and a magnetic field, which is absolutely blows me away. It's 1211 01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,880 fascinating. So I think that there is some overlap that we have yet to 1212 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:10,960 understand electrically that's going on. And Woolf does too. Actually, by the 1213 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:16,439 way, he's a lovely man from believe Australia or New Zealand. I have 1214 01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,479 a question that came in. By the way, the lines are open. 1215 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:25,079 If anyone wants to call that numbers up on the screen, I'll just give 1216 01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:28,920 that number out if someone's listening over at KGr A Radio. I know it's 1217 01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,600 at in the chat over there as well. Six h three nine six seven 1218 01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:38,239 four h three. Oh that phone number is only live during the show anyway. 1219 01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:43,319 The question in the chat room do you know what happened to the guy 1220 01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:46,600 who thought a crop circle contained plans to build a UFO? Did you ever 1221 01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:51,880 hear anything about that? Yeah, this is any That was from a question 1222 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:58,800 from Australia. So on that topic, where are these crop circles seen? 1223 01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:03,399 They all over the world. Yes, they're happening. I think upwards of 1224 01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:08,960 less less count I knew it was something like twenty five or thirty countries. 1225 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:14,199 They've been documented. I know they're happening like in Italy and in Belgium and 1226 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,399 in Israel, and there's some even in South America, of course, all 1227 01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:23,560 over the United States, Canada, England, France, and Turkey. There's 1228 01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:29,840 been some reported in Turkey, Russia. It's they're they're they're all over, 1229 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:36,319 but there are interestingly concentrations of formations and where the formations concentrate, like we 1230 01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:41,520 have a lot in Ohio. It's the largest state that hasn't and it's also 1231 01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:45,840 the area with the largest one of the states with the largest green sand or 1232 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,560 limestone aquifer, deep deep, deep underneath the state. And the same is 1233 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:54,600 true in England. England has I think one of the largest green sand aquifers 1234 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,279 of Europe, and it runs straight, you know, from one end of 1235 01:38:57,319 --> 01:39:00,520 the country to the other. But the area where it's the close to the 1236 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,800 surfaces right through the wheelchair area. So that's really fascinating. And I think 1237 01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:10,359 if we looked at where formations are happening in other parts of the world, 1238 01:39:10,359 --> 01:39:14,039 and you studied the geology of them, you may find a similar overlap. 1239 01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,399 I don't know, I haven't looked specifically for all of them, but I 1240 01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:23,359 find it again and again that's interesting. Yeah, I'm wondering if if anyone 1241 01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:28,640 is studying like BLT for instance, if they're studying, you know, the 1242 01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:33,640 similarities between you know, surfaces and aquifers like you're saying, and other things 1243 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:41,079 you know, through worldwide you know formations. Yeah, I'd just like to 1244 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:47,439 put a hoot out to Nancy Talbot because without the level of research that she 1245 01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:54,479 really dedicated herself to, scientifically, I don't think we would be Certainly I 1246 01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,439 wouldn't be at the level of understanding that I have come to. I mean, 1247 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,159 I have a lot of respect for science tific methodology because I think it 1248 01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:09,199 brings the more skeptical person like I was talking about earlier into the fold maybe 1249 01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:13,840 to do greater research than those that have come before. And certainly I stand 1250 01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:18,319 on Nancy's shoulders and many others Jeff Wilson and of course Linda Howe, you 1251 01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:25,880 know, always stirring the soup pot for us with our scientific abilities, because 1252 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:31,720 Marti had a background in science as well and journalism. So these pioneers have 1253 01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:38,640 really paved the way and for the next generation that will come. Yeah. 1254 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:46,279 And so besides BLT O other people that are actually taking this topic seriously and 1255 01:40:46,399 --> 01:40:50,319 investigating, and yourself, of course other other people. I know you said 1256 01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:57,760 Colin, Um, what's in England? Yeah, he was very h I 1257 01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,319 actually saw him. Did we see him in? Wasn't Ian Phoenix this year? 1258 01:41:01,159 --> 01:41:04,960 Not? I don't think he was this year. I know I saw 1259 01:41:05,039 --> 01:41:09,359 him there at one time. I know he got a Lifetime achieve An award 1260 01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:13,800 the same year that I think Ron James and I won for the disclosure dialogues. 1261 01:41:14,079 --> 01:41:18,039 I want to say that it was twenty eleven twelve, but I have 1262 01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:23,119 not seen Colin, and I have to say I don't know Colin personally, 1263 01:41:23,319 --> 01:41:26,600 very very well. I would like to. We've emailed, we've talked, 1264 01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:31,720 we sat dinner together, but I don't know that he's continuing to do in 1265 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,479 depth research. And I don't know that any real young scientists have come forward. 1266 01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:42,239 I do have a friend in New Jersey here who has offered to do 1267 01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:45,479 some research, but I have yet to follow up with him. I kind 1268 01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,039 of have a lot on my plate with a symposium, and there's a lot 1269 01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:50,399 of things I'd like to be doing that there just isn't time for, and 1270 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,239 it may have to wait till next year, you know, sure, I 1271 01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:58,840 would love to do a film about this and really sit down some of these 1272 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,800 plasma physicists, some scientists, and some geologists and start to unpack some of 1273 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:09,239 these topics that I've brought up with you tonight. But you know that's going 1274 01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:12,640 to have to be a little further down the road. Yeah sure, Yeah, 1275 01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,399 but I think it would be a very interesting film. Actually, I 1276 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:20,239 encourage you. That would be a something that I think should be explored, 1277 01:42:20,319 --> 01:42:25,239 because you know, I mean, there's, okay, there's the hoaxes. 1278 01:42:25,319 --> 01:42:30,920 I think that's where the waters get really muddied, because I think so many 1279 01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,119 people well, if one's hoax, and I understand that, thinking if one's 1280 01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:40,319 hoax, then how can you trust the others? You know? Yeah, 1281 01:42:40,319 --> 01:42:44,880 so, but when you're actually talking about changes and things like that, it 1282 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,439 becomes a little more mysterious. And I think, I actually think we know 1283 01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:53,760 very little about what's actually going on around us, you know, in general, 1284 01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:59,039 absolutely absolutely, we know very very little about the natural world around us, 1285 01:42:59,039 --> 01:43:04,920 really very little. And I think that the next twenty years, with 1286 01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:11,800 what's going on with space exploration, we're going to you know, usually the 1287 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,520 public is about thirty years behind or forty or fifty years behind sometimes what the 1288 01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:23,399 military is doing. And most sophisticated people now understand that the field of operations 1289 01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:28,720 for military is in space. It's not on the surface. It's all you 1290 01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:33,159 know, satellites and imaging and looking what's going on. So it's also understanding 1291 01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:39,279 a new environment living in space and the electrical natures of what's happening. So 1292 01:43:39,319 --> 01:43:46,039 I think as we begin to make more things less secret about what's actually going 1293 01:43:46,119 --> 01:43:50,479 on up there in space, will begin to understand aspects of our physical reality 1294 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:55,520 around our Earth, like our magnetosphere. We really know very little about our 1295 01:43:55,520 --> 01:44:00,640 magnetosphere. You know very little about our son or our solar system. The 1296 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,359 magnetosphere, they say, is becoming weaker, and that kind of scares me 1297 01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:09,439 because you know, it's so important to have um you know, I mean, 1298 01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:14,039 that's supposedly what happened to Mars. You know, Mars had one last 1299 01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:17,760 one in the atmosphere just kind of disappeared, right, what ripped it off? 1300 01:44:18,279 --> 01:44:21,960 Right? I think it was literally ripped off. Well, when you 1301 01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:28,479 start to study electrical current, electrical charges and plasmas, and how things will 1302 01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,359 attract and bind, repel and attract each other, you begin to realize, 1303 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:39,560 oh, Okay, we live in a very delicate balance in our in our 1304 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:45,960 little you know, hemisphere and our solar system on the Earth, and there 1305 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,319 are a lot of things that we are at risk at that we may not 1306 01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:55,479 really realize. I've been studying and traveling with Robert Chuck. You've probably have 1307 01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:00,319 heard of Robert. He's well known for a discuss the ideas around the Sphinx 1308 01:45:00,359 --> 01:45:05,800 probably being much much older than so. He's a very well known geologist, 1309 01:45:06,079 --> 01:45:11,159 and he has been studying go Beckley Tepe. I went to Turkey with him 1310 01:45:11,159 --> 01:45:15,279 and a number of other people, and he suspects that earlier civilizations might have 1311 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:21,600 had access to knowledge or suspected something was going to happen, and that's maybe 1312 01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:26,840 why they buried parts of go Beckley Tepe to preserve it, because they were 1313 01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:32,000 aware of the instabilities of the sun. And you know, I just went 1314 01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:36,279 to Malta with him back in March a year ago, and I had some 1315 01:45:36,359 --> 01:45:43,920 profound discoveries there looking at some of the very very ancient sites that literally looked 1316 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:48,359 like they're vitrified or if the stone is melted in some of these ancient stone 1317 01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:55,520 structures there. So where the structures built as protective environments because there was instability 1318 01:45:55,560 --> 01:46:00,319 in the sun. It's hard to know, but it's quite fast nating. 1319 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:05,520 Someone has a question, they just wanted to know. This is absolutely going 1320 01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:13,159 in a total different direction. And back to the symposium that someone wanted to 1321 01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:17,880 ask you, do you know you said that Louis Alsondo, he's gonna there's 1322 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,479 going to be about one hundred people allowed in and there's going to be like 1323 01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:27,159 questions. Is there any other time that he's going to be like sitting on 1324 01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:32,720 a panel and open to Okay, yes, he will be presenting on Friday 1325 01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:39,640 night at our keynote banquet, and then Saturday night we may open it to 1326 01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,199 more than one hundred people. I'm not quite sure. I'll leave that up 1327 01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:45,560 to Jan Harzin. But we have a meet and greet and QNA in a 1328 01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:50,880 more intimate way with him, and we're selling that for fifty dollars because some 1329 01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:56,000 people can't attend the whole conference, but they're really curious to meet Luis Alozondo 1330 01:46:56,079 --> 01:47:00,760 and ask him some questions. And I do believe that he is also on 1331 01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:03,479 one or he's going to jump in. We're doing two lunch panels during the 1332 01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:08,600 day on Saturday and Sunday, So if you want to not take time to 1333 01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,960 go have lunch, but actually get a box lunch, a sandwich, and 1334 01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:15,279 go in and hear a panel of the experts speak. I think he's going 1335 01:47:15,319 --> 01:47:19,520 to be on one of our panels, but I don't think i've been told 1336 01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:25,000 which day yet, so but I would say for anyone listening, check the 1337 01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:30,560 website regularly and see who's on those panels for lunch, because that's another opportunity 1338 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,079 to meet him. Okay, all right, thanks so much for taking that 1339 01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:38,960 jag. Going back, one last question, because we got I think we 1340 01:47:39,079 --> 01:47:43,279 got about four or four and a half five minutes. And I don't even 1341 01:47:43,319 --> 01:47:45,319 know if you have a visual of this, but what do you think is 1342 01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:49,680 like the most interesting crop circle? Oh gosh, well, you know, 1343 01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:57,479 whenever I speak on crop circles, I'm always asked to talk about, you 1344 01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:02,560 know, what's known as the grid, and I do have some pictures of 1345 01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,680 it I can bring up, and I'm trying to decide which one is the 1346 01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:11,359 best one. I'll jump to this one first. It's pull up the slide 1347 01:48:11,399 --> 01:48:14,439 in a minute, as soon as it opens for me, Flide eighty three. 1348 01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,159 Okay, the grid, I think I know what. Yeah, I 1349 01:48:18,199 --> 01:48:21,680 knew that's the one you were going to be talking about. Yeah, it's 1350 01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:26,560 now that's not the one that was near Stonehenge though, that's a different one, 1351 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,800 right, correct, correct, it's not one of the Julia set spirals. 1352 01:48:30,279 --> 01:48:33,920 This. When this first came down, this was a big puzzle and 1353 01:48:34,119 --> 01:48:38,640 nobody knew what it went at. Looking at that slide, you can see 1354 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:43,199 people walking around in the field on the bottom right picture. It's literally a 1355 01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:46,800 picture taken from the ground looking at the formation. Nobody understood what it was, 1356 01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:51,920 and it wasn't until they got an aerial photograph that Paul V. Gay 1357 01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:57,600 actually a British crop circle researcher looked at it and said, hey, that 1358 01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:03,039 looks very similar to a digital code that Carl Sagan invented and they sent out 1359 01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:09,399 from Aracibo. So in fact, we can jump to another slide, which 1360 01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,720 is eighty four. So this is almost almost like a Brail type thing. 1361 01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,800 For the person that's listening, it almost looks like something that would be Brail. 1362 01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:25,560 In the early seventies when we were just coming on board with real computer 1363 01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:31,119 language, were we had Buyinary simple Osky Buyinary code, and Carl Sagan decided 1364 01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:36,159 he wanted to send a message out into space. And this was actually a 1365 01:49:36,199 --> 01:49:41,560 publicity stunt to raise money for Aracibo, because so much money had gone into 1366 01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:45,319 it and everybody thought it was a waste of government funds. But in Puerto 1367 01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:48,439 Rico, we created this huge dish in the ground and then we sent a 1368 01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:54,880 little There was a sending device hung above it, which you can see in 1369 01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:59,399 slide eighty four in the bottom right, and that sent signals down to the 1370 01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:04,159 ground that then bounced back up into outer space. And I don't know how 1371 01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:08,920 long it took, maybe twenty minutes or something. We sent this code back 1372 01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:14,720 in nineteen seventy four, and the code is divided into a series of segments 1373 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:21,560 that gave information about Aracbo itself, which is on the bottom in the picture 1374 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:26,319 of eighty four. On the left you can see the binary code and how 1375 01:50:26,359 --> 01:50:30,319 it was broken up. So the bottom is literally a digital graphic representation in 1376 01:50:30,399 --> 01:50:34,760 binary code of what Aricebo looks like, it's size, its shape. Then 1377 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:39,399 the next line above that was our solar system. It had our sun, 1378 01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:45,520 which is a big series of like maybe a six blocks covered, and then 1379 01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:48,479 all the planets in our solar system with one raise denoting where we live. 1380 01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:54,760 And then there was a picture. The next section of code denotes a human 1381 01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:59,760 body and our DNA code. Then above that is a section of material. 1382 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,920 It denotes our genetic material. It's often referred to as punch, which stands 1383 01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:08,720 for like potassium, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon and hydrogen. So what makes 1384 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:12,880 up the physical body. And then the very top series of numbers was our 1385 01:51:13,039 --> 01:51:16,720 number system. Oh and I missed one. It's our automic number what all 1386 01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:20,720 the number systems are based on, so that you can understand our numbering system 1387 01:51:21,359 --> 01:51:26,119 with the atomic number. So this is something like I said, Carl Sagan 1388 01:51:26,199 --> 01:51:31,279 invented. Now what's very interesting. If we want to jump back, we 1389 01:51:31,319 --> 01:51:35,239 can either go back to the slide we had, which was eighty three. 1390 01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:42,640 This thing comes down in the field right outside of an area called cheer Bolton. 1391 01:51:43,159 --> 01:51:46,800 You can see in the upper picture above the crop circle picture there's a 1392 01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,840 picture of a big satellite. It's kind of tipped all the way down on 1393 01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:54,479 its side and you see a parking lot. Cheer Bolton is an area in 1394 01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:59,439 England where they listen for radio signals. So if there was some intelligent life 1395 01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:03,359 trying to communicate with us and they were communicating with radio signals, we would 1396 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:08,319 hear them. But of course maybe they're not. Maybe they're using microwaves or 1397 01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:13,079 plasmas or something else. But we're listening. We're listening for radio signals. 1398 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:15,680 Right. Well, I hate to say this, but we're actually at the 1399 01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,640 end of the wet We're at the end of the show. Yeah, yeah, 1400 01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,520 it's been, it's been. I can't I can't remember a show that 1401 01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,760 went by this fast. Jennifer. Well, I'll come back on and we 1402 01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,279 can talk more about this than other phenomenon. All right, excellent, Okay, 1403 01:52:31,399 --> 01:52:33,720 so thanks so much. It was a it was a real pleasure. 1404 01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:39,199 Thank you Martin for having me on. All right, great, all right, 1405 01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:48,399 so everyone, we are hang on just a second. We are back 1406 01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:55,960 next week and we're going to be back with nomar Uh slavic Um. He 1407 01:52:56,039 --> 01:53:00,239 was on once before and he as he's it's got a new book coming out. 1408 01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:04,119 I actually wrote the forward to it, and it's UFOs Overman and he's 1409 01:53:04,119 --> 01:53:08,359 a fun guest and it'll be great to have him back. So I want 1410 01:53:08,359 --> 01:53:10,840 to thank the people to help the show. Evan. Of course, I 1411 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,680 want to thank Race over at KGr A Radio. I want to thank our 1412 01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:18,359 guest of course, Jennifer Stein and Peggy for the Facebook page, and Alejandro 1413 01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:21,640 Rojas for the news. That's it everyone, We'll see you next week and 1414 01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:43,920 remember to keep your eyes to the sky.