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Stein. We're gonna be talking about the upcoming move On Symposium that I will
be attending actually, and we'll also be talking crop circles for you lucky people
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again. And Cherry Hill, our New Jersey. We're gonna be talking about
that. And for now we have the one and only Alejandro Rojas coming up
with the news. Hey Alejandro, Hey, how you doing good? Good
of how's everything going for you? It is going well, so keeping very
very busy of course world UFO Day kept me busy yesterday you as all of
us as well, I'm sure. And then getting ready for Roswell this weekend.
So excited about that. Oh that's right, it's coming up. Yeah,
that's drive there? Do you fly out there? Fly? I used
to drive years ago, and I don't know if I want to do that
anymore. It's a lot of fun. You pass through White Sands, which
is really cool. You also because there's missile places, you know, white
suns testing, it's all of there. You go through Nellis Air Force Base.
You can also go buy Skoro and you could buy go buy the very
large array where they have the big you know, radio telescopes and get some
cool selfies out there. So there's always a lot to see on the trip.
But it's a long drive from here. Luckily now they have flights that
there's direct flights from Phoenix to Roswell and then I think it's Dallas or Houston
straight to Roswell as well. So yeah, awesome. So just a short
flight. Now, when you're landing in Roswell, do you would try to
look out the window to see if you can see any debris crash debris,
um you know there were any, it'd be pretty small. So no,
I don't do that. But it is fun because the airport that you fly
into is the airport. I mean it used to be the Roswell Army Airfield
that's so famous out there. Wow, the same so they basically what they
repurposed it for the basis clothes and they repurposed it for Yeah, they repurposed
it. It's been open, uh you know, serving some sort of purpose
at the entire time. So it was repurposed and it was some hangars and
kind of a private airfield there for a long time. There are companies that
kind of there's kind of a bone yard there where they've got bit tons of
parts of plane strewn all over the place. Because I believe it was even
an Asian or Saudi Arabian company that bought one of the hangars, the big
hangar, and and was taking part plane parts and then flying them back there.
So different companies own different pieces. And now they've opened it up as
you know, their their their airport there for commercial flights, which is awesome,
so we can fly into there. But yeah, it's had an interesting
history. Yeah, no is there you know, I know the town Roswell
is full of like flying saucer this and that and pictures and signs and you
know, businesses and all that. Is there Is there anything at the airport
that kind of you know what, there's not really actually, um, I
can't remember the name of the hangar. I don't think it's that they you
know, allegedly took the material to. But there is kind of a hangar
name post out there that people take so selfies with, but it doesn't say
anything about aliens unfortunately. So No, they at least at the airport,
they haven't really encouraged that, and I think it's mostly because that hangar,
you know, is owned by a private companies, so they don't want people
coming around for that that sort of thing. Yeah, sure, but you
never know. I mean, they embrace it the area. It kind of
wanes and waxes how much how welcoming they are for the full UFO et thing,
So you never know what to expect when you get out there, what
it'll be different as far as who's promoting what. So I wouldn't be surprised
if they did that at some point. I think it would probably be a
cute idea because really the rest of the city does that. You have things
like the McDonald's out there is a UFO, and I think it's the only
place that they have that, and other large chains have like a UFO or
alien theme, and they don't do this sort of theme type of stuff anywhere
else that I've seen, So it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah,
all right, So and what's going. Oh, it's a World UFO Day,
you probably want to talk a little bit about that, But yeah,
I mean, not a lot to say, except where there was a lot
of news out there about UFOs, and I think it's kind of cool because
there really has been, to me, you know, a change from the
media. I talked to radio station in Houston and then our local media here
and you know, they all really do take it much more seriously. It's
changed from a bunch of weirdos, a kind of a topic that's backed by
a bunch of weirdos and conspiracy theorists, to now the theme is that,
you know, this is something that the government's looking into and take seriously.
And I think that's really an important change that's kind of happened with the media.
So I feel like the coverage this year has been much more serious than
it's ever been before. And it was really kind of surprising and cool that
the media picked up on World UFO Day so much, because even the World
UFO Day people have kind of not marketed it as strongly as they had in
the past, but it's just caught on and so the media is paying attention.
So I think overall, it's been pretty positive. Have you noticed that
as well? Did you see anything kind of really as blatantly making fun of
everything as it as in a past. I've definitely have seen a change in
that, you know, since the December, since last December, definitely.
I'm really I really appreciate the fact that it's not made so much fun of
or you know what was it? The X Files music has always played during
you know, when they started talking about it, someone saw something, you
know, but you don't see that as much anymore. And I think it's
great, Yeah, very cool. So and you know, this all stems
from December. Of course, there's a little bit of update there in that
George Knapp of KLAS eight news now in Las Vegas, who keeps breaking news
about a tip and all of these guys, he had a new kind of
short interview with Louise Elizondo and this news was really just talking about how Harry
Reid throughout the years has really gone to bat for the UFO investigation. So
during that period of time while they were funding it, you know, him
going to bat and saying, hey, there are some real results here,
we need to keep funding this program. And the theme of this also with
Louise and Harry Reid is kind of even though the d D came out and
said, well, we closed it down because we didn't see results, they're
saying that that's not actually true. There were results, that's not why they
closed it down. And you know, previously George Knapp had talked about the
aspects that did you know, make people nervous and close it down, which
was the DD being embarrassed about this whole topic and afraid of being ridiculed people
found out and people's religious beliefs. People in the DoD feeling that, you
know, we shouldn't be messing with this kind of stuff, which I think
is a fascinating reason. But they feel like, you know, there have
been results, and really George Nappa of course, has worked with Jeremy Corbell
for this upcoming film and they have finally released that that will be out in
September on iTunes. Right, I saw that, Yeah, September eleventh.
I thought, yeah, September eleventh. Interesting, Leonel, Yeah, right,
yeah, I just saw that. We'll find out more when that comes
out as well, Alejandro. Someone just sent me I didn't even get a
chance to look at it, some type of link that the Daily Mail had
on secrets or UFOs. Do you know anything about that? Yeah, So
the British government has released some more information. That is another story. And
the Daily Mail is not the best sources, as you and I have talked
about in the past. I mean, unfortunately many times they want to sensationalize
and change the facts and so forth. So I've been trying to follow up
with this to figure out more about what is real and what isn't. I
know, doctor David Clark has something to do with this. He is a
historian out there who has gotten a lot of British material UFO material out there.
He's kind of a mythologist and he's interested in the mythology and doesn't necessarily
take it all that seriously because he's a skeptic, but he's very fascinated by
the whole thing and he's a great resource. So these files have more to
do with the nature of the groups that we're looking into UFOs for the British.
So yeah, it's very interesting stuff that's coming out. Um, I'm
still working on verifying the info and getting you know, some comments from Nick
and others. But yet so that's what's hard with the Daily mail. You
got to check all their facts to see which facts they have gotten right on
and which facts they have kind of um puffed up a little bit. So
yeah, it looks like it's proving to be a very interesting story. Though.
Someone someone in the KGr A chat room wanted to know if there are
any solid updates on the Nasco mummies, and I thought we went over that
at one time that we did. I mean the solid updates that came and
have come are just they're they're human. I mean, this is and you
and I have discussed this, that this happens periodically, and really the local
governments are sharing. You get tired of it that people go there. Westerners
typically dig up these bodies and claim they're alien and then it gets debunked.
And it's a cycle that's been going on for years now and they're just getting
tired of it. They don't like the bodies being disrespected like that. Now,
there have been some hoaxers that have been locals that do this as well,
and essentially what happens it's a very dry desert, it's it's a very
unique conditions there where bodies are preserved and so they're very old and these corpses
and carcasses look strange, and so unfortunately a lot of people, for whatever
reason, they assume they're aliens, and every time there's a thorough test done,
it is debunked. Unfortunately. One of the more recent people who have
been kind of purporting these things to be aliens have been doctor Stephen Greer,
and he got this gentleman involved called doctor Nolan and who also is now with
to the Stars, working with Elizondo and all of these other people, and
that he is, I mean very serious. I've discussed with him. He's
very into paranormal he's very into the possibilities. He's an expert when it comes
to DNA. He's looked at many of these different cases and although he would
very much hope to find something more strange, so far they've all termed out
to be humans. So hate to brush your bubble on that, guys,
but it's definitely whenever you hear about a body being taken from there, you
want to take it with a humongous grain of salt, because this is just
this has been an ongoing thing for decades literally, where people find these bodies
and kind of try to purport that there's something odd or strange. Even Ripley's
believe it or not, had one many years ago. I think Lee Spiegel
wrote about that one not too long ago. Really, well, now,
the guest I had, Chris O'Brien last week, mentioned that Greer actually has
a lawsuit against Nolan, defamation lawsuit. Yeah, and you know, when
I spoke with Nolan, Nolan said it was nothing but kind to Stephen Grier
and he has respect for him. He certainly, at least when I asked
talked to him, had no hard feelings toward him whatsoever, and uh,
you know, supported his efforts. So it's really unfortunate to see Greer kind
of going after him like this because and this is what happens in this field,
which is so unfortunate. When we have serious people who want to get
involved, they're attacked and they're bashed, and like Bigelow, then they decide,
you know what, maybe it's better to kind of stay in the background
because unfortunately, which I don't know that he has been much kinder, He
hasn't said this, but unfortunately, there are a lot of unprofessional people in
this field who just don't act in a professional manner. And that's unfortunate because
we should be fostering getting these people involved, and you know, we shouldn't
be defensive when it comes to people questioning evidence, because you know, there
is a very very hard bar to meet the highest when it comes to trying
to prove that you know, there's some of these odd things happening. And
we're at a point where now we're very strongly establishing that there is a genuine
mystery, and I think we get so caught in the weeds that we forget
that that's where the public is. First. We have to move them towards
being comfortable that there's a genuine mystery. Then you know you're able to bring
credibility to the possibilities. Right, I agree wholeheartedly. So anywe listening can
check out Open Minds Thought TV. There's UFO updates on there every day and
it's a very very busy website, and go check it out. Thanks so
much, Alejandro, my pleasure. Thanks for having me and happen with Jennifer.
Hi, will all right, talk to you later, Bye bye,
all right. Our guest Jennifer Stein. She is a native of Philadelphia and
she holds her Bachelor of Science from the University of Arizona and that's the last
place I saw. She grew up in a family of artists and entrepreneurs,
and she is actually an entrepreneur herself, a filmmaker. She's done all kinds
of great things. She founded and runs the Mainline move On in Philadelphia and
is a conference coordinator. We're gonna be talking to her about the symposium.
She's the share person on that. Hello, how are you, Jennifer.
Welcome to the show. Hi, Martin. It's such a pleasure to be
here, can you hear me? Okay, yeah, I am great.
Yeah, everything's good. Yes, great, It's a real pleasure to be
on your show. I know we were last together out in Arizona, but
I think I first met you in Maine at the Experience or Speak conference many
years ago. I think, yeah, that was a boy. I want
to say that was five years ago, now, four or five at least,
Yeah, maybe even five years ago, right, yeah, I think
I think so. Yeah. Yeah, Well, long journey, long journey,
that's right. And you have done all kinds of things, some great
films. Right now, are you working on any projects you can talk about
and we'll talk about other things of course. Well, I've sort of got
the national Symposium dropped in my lap big time, a little late in the
game to organize many of the aspects of it, as you probably know,
and I've been mostly focusing on that this year. I would love to say
I'm starting some other film projects. I always continually research and keep my fingers
sort of in the crop circle world a bit. I'm a little bit more
like an armchair investigator now reading other people's research. But I continue to be
perplexed about that, and I know we're going to talk about that later in
the show. But mostly this year I have used my whatever little filmmaking skills
I have and marketing skills to bring the National Symposium to the mainstream and ways
that I can. You know, we we're a nonprofit organization, as many
of your listeners know, and we're of course mostly dedicated to the you know,
reporting and scientific exploration of the UFO phenomenon, but trying to pull off
a conference every year in a different city because it moves from town to town
or city to city, so we try to move it around the country so
that anyone listening, depending on where they live, have the opportunity to try
to get to a mainstream posium, you know, at least once every couple
of years. So we have not had a symposium on the northeast coast since
twenty fourteen, but that was the first time in like twenty five years,
I think that we had a symposium up in this neck of the woods.
So I'm really delighted to be able to talk just briefly about that, you
know, upfront with you, because we've got a great lineup of speakers.
First of all, I'll tell you the theme of the symposium is called UFOs
Extraterrestrials in the Future of Humanity, and they know that's kind of all over
the place, but it's kind of an all encompassing approach we're taking this year,
and the local team here is really taking to heart the future of humanity
part because we realize that if we don't reach out to a younger group of
people and start bringing them in and educating them. It takes a long time
to wrap your brain around this topic. As you probably know, Martin,
it's not something where you can just see a news clip or even see a
movie or read one book and think you really have an understanding of the UFO
phenomenon. It's a seventy eighty year or even thousands of years, you know,
depending on where you want to look. Historically, this topic is huge
and it's hard to wrap your brain around it, especially for the younger generation.
It gets their information and a sound bite right, they cheat something and
they think they know it is. This is a difficult topic. So what
we're doing taking this to heart locally is we invited Lynn Katai, who is
actually a Philadelphia local Originally, she grew up in the Philadelphia area, went
to med school here at Temple University. And she's coming in and she's just
written a book for children on the UFO topic UFOs and crop circles actually,
so she's coming in and presenting for free on Friday. And I've asked Travis
Walton, a dear friend, and of course I worked on his film that's
done very well, continues to win awards and film festivals who are very happy
about So Travis and Lynn are both going to present for free. And the
symposium has never done anything like this before. So on Friday, the day
before the cofference starts, anyone can show up. Teachers, students, you
know, anyone you know, police, medical people, anybody from any field.
You don't have to know anything about the UFO topic show up and from
ten to three we're going to have two free presentations for you, and then
shortly after that we'll do a press conference and people are welcome to stay for
that. And then of course, you know, we have Luis Elzonzo who's
going to be a keynote, and he starts the banquet off with Jan Harzon
on Friday night, we have a banquet that starts and that's the paid portion
of the conference that's not free. We cost a lot of money to run
a conference, so we have to sell tickets to cover our expenses, of
course. So but Luis Elsonzo is a big deal, as you know,
we were hoping we could get him on the air. But he's of course
the former a tip insider, the intelligence officer at the Pentagon who really opened
the media in the mainstream way. So I know we're going to have to
break in just a moment, but I'm hoping, I'm hoping that people take
advantage of the opportunity to come here, Louise, here in the Philadelphia area.
Yeah, I am really looking forward to meeting him. Yes, I
was trying to get him on the show tonight for just a couple of minutes,
and he said that he's looking forward to meeting me when I get there,
and that he can't do it. He's actually moving his whole family right
now to LA's writing process of moving, so we couldn't be on. But
anyway, just to tell the listener, if you're a supporter of the show,
I'm going you're going to be able to listen to the podcasts that I
do on site at the symposium. I will be doing a live stream YouTube
from there. It's not going to be the regular one on KGr A Radio.
It'll be a audio podcast also for supporters. So that will be right
after the twenty seventh and twenty eight. Really looking forward to that. So
we are heading into our break, and this is Martin Willis and we're going
to be right back. We are in KGr A Radio and we are with
Jennifer Stein and we'll be right back. We want to just kind of follow,
you know, a different topic on these breaks. So you grew up
in Philadelphia. This Cherry Hill, Cherry Hill is is right outside of that
right right, It's just on the other side of the river from Philadelphia.
I grew up in the northeast and northwestern suburbs basically, and this is just
over the river. And that's because of finances. You know, we can
get a better hotel rate over there. I don't have unions. We don't
have unions at the hotels in Cherry Hill. Probably. I don't want to
say that on the air, but that's okay. So let me just set
my stop watch here. So what about Philadelphia? I never really hear about
UFO incidences. Are there any thing that stand out? Sure? We had
a spring Steen concert on what's called the Parkway, which is this main parkway
between the Art Museum and City Hall, and Bruce Springstein was playing and there
were like ten thousand people there. There were probably seven or eight videos shot
from the crowd up at this object right above the Springstein contract. This was
like four years or five years ago. So sure there are incidents. Jersey
Shore gets a lot of them. Yet are you sure that was on a
drone? I would think that a drone someone will run to find a fly
drawn over Bruce Springstein. It was too high. It was like these white
orbs. It was several of them, and they were and they were like
floating. They kind of looked like, you know, people said, oh,
they're balloons. But then they were maneuvering in ways the balloons would not
do. They weren't all floating like the wind. They were then interacting with
each other and then getting brighter and getting dimmer and things like that. So
not your typical you know, balloon or drone activity. Now you said,
there's actually film. Can someone actually find this, like on YouTube or something
like that, people assented to me, Yeah, you can google it and
look for it. I mean, I don't I don't know the exact link,
but sure there are there are sightings that happen here in Philly. So
they were just coming around to get a little Bruce Springsteen. You know,
if they show up, they show up at ballparks. You've seen no footage
of them hanging over major ballparks and things like that. So yeah, yeah,
we've we've we've had them. And of course we're not far from the
very famous Hudson flap that happened that's, you know, less than an hour
and a half away a Hudson Valley, New York. Yeah that went on
for how long did that go on? There was almost ten years? Yeah,
it's amazing. Yeah, and so many people saw it it's still going
on, but not with that type of regularity and not the very very close
things that were seen. Oh okay, So when we come back from the
break, we'll talk about the other people that are going to be at the
symposium, and then we'll get we'll start getting into the crop circle. This
is going to be interesting again for the people on YouTube. Since you're you're
listening now, we'll have some visuals up for you as as we're going along.
Hopefully we'll get those coordinated, right. Yeah, yeah, I have
them up on my screen. But there's one I didn't think I sent you
that was listed in my file seventeen. You said I sent you seventeen.
I was going to see if that says Hillsboro, Ohio Crop Circle. I
don't know if I can check that with you while we're off the air,
hang on a second. All right, Welcome back to podcast UFO on Martin
Willison. We're on KGr A Radio. That's kg are A Radio dot com
and my guest is Jennifer Stein. So Jennifer, getting back to the symposium.
Can you talk? I mean, I can't wait to meet lewis number
one for me and it's always great seeing jan why don't you, And you
said Travis Walton's going to be there, why don't you talk about some of
the other guests that are Okay, I'd be thrilled to Thanks for asking,
Martin. So we've divided the two days up into two different sections. It's
two full days of speakers after the Friday night banquet with Louis Alizonzo and on
Friday we're kind of focusing more on science things like alien viruses, technologies,
space travel, artificial intelligence, transhumanism, like, really, where are we
going with technology and how does this interface with the UFO phenomenon. So our
speakers are John Brandenburg. Some people may or may not know about him.
His presentation will be called a Report from Mars. After that, we have
Lynn Katai, who's going to talk about how we inspire future generations going forward,
how we get them and hook them and bring them in. Because we
were discussing before the break, this is a big topic to wrap your brain
around, especially when the media has had a basically a gag rule on it
for about seventy years. After that, Bob Wood is going to discuss alien
viruses and real problems we face in the future. Then we have Ted Peters,
who's a theologian, and he's going to talk about the future of humanity.
What's the theological perspective, you know, how do we deal with the
whole concept of UFOs and extraterrestrials and incorporate this into our religious and social means.
And Morey's David Pilates is going to talk about, you know, unexplained
disappearances which continue to go on, especially in rural areas. He wrote the
book Missing for one one and yep. Then then we're going to break for
dinner, and we come back in the evening with Don dun Dairy. He's
worked a lot with the Free Project with Kathy Martin. He'll be talking about
the American Personality Inventory that they created to evaluate abductee reports and try to categorize
them and look at data in a different way. It's really quite fascinating.
And then later that night we actually have Dan Ricker, who was in the
movie two thousand and one Space Odyssey, and we're going to show two and
one Space Odyssey is a fun thing that Saturday evening. There's also a special
workshop people can pay to go to if they want, with Louis Alazonzo it's
about one hundred people. It's a small, casual, intimate meet and greet
and QNA going on that evening with Louise. Then on Sunday we'd switch to
the more experiencer side of the conference, so we'll have of course Selma Static
and Randall Nickerson presenting that day and that By the way, can I just
interrupt you. I had Selma on my show and I got to tell she's
my favorite guest. She was amazing. I'm really looking forward to meeting her.
All of those kids from the famous Ariel School, that very famous Zimbabwe
incident that John Knack brought to light, brought to our attention. Randall Nickerson
has picked up on that and he's coming out with a new film called The
Ariel Project, and we're looking forward to that release. I don't know exactly
when it's going to have. It's getting really close. According Randy texts me
a couple weeks ago and said, we're getting really close. Good, So
yeah, I know, we're all looking forward to It's been a lot of
years in the making, I know, as almost ten and if you look
at what John Nac did, you're really looking at twenty to twenty five years
of that documentary being made. So we also have of course Travis Walton on
Sunday and Kathleen Martin who will be presenting Martin excuse me, one wonderful,
wonderful woman. So it should be a really fabulous conference. We're looking forward
to, you know, in welcoming and greeting people from all over in Philadelphia.
It's a lovely hotel. We have very inexpended room rates, about ninety
nine dollars a night is the base rate. So and it's a it's a
fabulous facility, and there are lovely restaurants all around, and we're going to
try to do a biffet in the hallway between uh, you know, different
speakers so people can get lunch. So we're putting a lot of time and
effort and thought into it. Yeah, I can't looking into it. Yeah,
I know. It was in Cherry Hill a few years ago, I
think maybe four three or four years ago, right, Yes, twenty fourteen
was the last one we ran there. Yes, and it was the first
one, like I mentioned before, in about twenty five years in the Northeast
corridor. Wow. Yeah, yeah, I'm real excited. So I think
this will be my first move on symposium actually, so I'm really looking forward
to it. It would be great. Well, I try to live up
to Alejandra's standards, so you know, he puts on a great conference.
It's been a pleasure to be at them and also to be a speaker at
them. It's really a pleasure, and in fact, I wanted to mention
to listening guests he was speaking about Roswell. Many years ago, I did
a little interview with Jesse Marcel Junior and one of the wonderful film men,
Tom Ruffle, who worked for Open Minds, and that's available. You can
look at it at Mainline mouf On. I think I have it on the
bottom of one of my pages on the video page. There's also I'm sure
a link somewhere on Alejandro's Open Minds or if the if they depending on what
their streaming network is, they have up now. I know things have changed
a little bit in the last year, but there's a lovely interview where we
took Jesse Marcell Junior back to his house and we stood outside the original hangar
where the debris was stored, and we just chatted with him. He had
never been back to his home, so we stood outside and filmed and talked
with him. It was really a special, special neat interview. We just
did it a fly. I just said, you want to go do this
like I'll drive you shoot. You said sure. So it's really really a
great opportunity we grabbed there. Yeah, right, right, So before we
get to talking about crop circles, can you tell the listening audience about your
film with Travis Walton that you did? Sure? Sure, It's called Travis
The True Story of Travis Walton. I was about six or seven years in
the making all total with it. I did a couple of revisions because I
needed to. On the film. It's about eighty minutes and it recounts with
all the living members of the crew, the logging crew that was in the
Sit Graves Forest with Travis, along with some police, polygraph experts things like
that, and people from the town, some family members. It's a real
point by point, fast paced documentary that's a real personal story. It's not
so much a typical UFO film. I took the perspective in making the film
of what it was like through Travis's eyes and through the eyes of these crew
members throughout their lives and how difficult this event was for them to handle and
how for many of them it kind of ruined their life. So I wouldn't
say it's necessarily an upbeat film, but it's certainly a real poignant look psychologically
at what it's like to have an incident like this happen. And it's a
close and intimate way to get to know Travis Walton. So the film I
decided I would put it in like mainstream film festivals, thinking that they're probably
just going to reject it, And to my surprise, out of putting it
in about fifty film festivals, it was accepted and over twenty two of them,
and it won additional awards, So it's one over probably twenty nine or
thirty awards, which is really it's really kind of unheard of for a UFO
film. I mean, most of the time they're only shown in you know,
paranormal film festivals or sci fi film festivals. They don't make it into
main festivals. They don't even accept them. So the fact that it was
accepted in a large number and then one additional awards's I'm really honored. And
I worked with a whole crew of people. I can't take full credit for
myself I mean, I worked with the co producers who does my mainline move
on programs It think Bob Terio and Ron James helped me revise it and really
punch the CGI in the graphics. And I worked with fabulous nephew editor of
mine, Adam Stein and Zach Wild. I mean, I couldn't have done
it without some of these young thirty year olds helping me make a better film
than I could have made. But we're what Travis and I have been on
radio shows, and Travis is some traveling the world now because of this film.
He's getting a lot more speaking engagements. And now we'll be screening it
next year in England. So lots of things are happening. And it's coming
out on Amazon and YouTube in Netflix, so I'm in the process now of
marketing it in that other direction. I have something I'm actually going to ask
Travis when I see him. But let's say two weeks ago, we had
a guy that he says he's sort of on the skeptic side, but he
had a sighting back in the nineteen sixties. He called from Oregon. As
far as I know, he may be listening now, I'm not sure.
I forget his first name, but he said he was talking about different people
and you know whether they change their story. And then he said, well,
what about you know, Travis Walton, he changed his story. So
I said, what do you mean, you know, elaborate on that a
little more and he said he didn't remember anything at first the first couple of
years. Did you ever hear Travis say anything about that? That's that's just
someone thinking they know the facts and they didn't. If you know, Travis
has a great book called Fire in the Sky, and anyone can pick it
up and read it. Travis had full recall the moment he woke up on
the side of the street. He remembered everything that he still remembers. We
don't know how long a period of time this is. It could be twenty
minutes or it could be two hours. But nothing has changed in his memory
from that moment he woke up on the street. Even with the regressions he
did. He had some post traumatic stress he had to get over, so
that helped him remember little more of the details. But the stories never changed,
nor has it for the other boys and the Longing Crew. They've stuck
to their story for forty years. That's what I've always thought. Believe me,
I think some of them would have wanted to change their story, especially
the one that was offered a ten thousand dollar bride. That's right, Well,
I think it, Ben, I could use the money. I'll maybe
I'll come out and say this didn't happen. I mean, phil Klass went
after him for five or six years, really hounded him and forced him to
change his name and moved to a different state and broke up his marriage.
I mean, when you really get into it, it's not pretty, Martin,
it's not. Yeah. I think that's amazing that he actually offered ten
thousand dollars for him to change the story. I mean I don't understand.
You know, sure he had plenty of money from what I understand, But
why why important? Why? But there's documentation of this bribe, that Philip
Class actually got a local police officer to bring a Western Union telegram of the
bribe to his house. Yeah. I mean, it's like, you can't
make this stuff up. It's amazing, really really yeah. Yeah, So
okay, let's let's shift gears. We've got about another seventeen minutes or so
before the break, and I want to find out I don't think I've ever
asked you this question. Initially, what started you investigating crop circles? I
think I was fascinated by ancient mounds. I had started to read about Stonehenge
when I was like ten or eleven or twelve. Well, I remember ripping
things out of like Look magazine, you know, in Life magazine, and
thinking wow, like who built these places? And then I started to learn
later and my late I guess my early twenties and late twenties, about the
crop circle phenomenon that was starting to happen, and the association of that phenomenon
with ancient sites, and the high number of formations that were happening, of
course in England, and that I just kept reading about it because I was
just so puzzled by it. I couldn't imagine how something as big as stone
Enge could appear when it wasn't there twenty minutes ago, and then suddenly it
was, and looking at the pristineness of these geometries. I grew up as
a as an artist and entrepreneur. My dad was an architect, my mom
was an interior designer and a seamstress, So I mean I understood fabric and
weaving and design and structure, and you know, I had an appreciation of
what an intent like building a house or you know, building a garden or
putting a pool in, or landscaping or you know, putting an addition on
a house. So when I looked at crop circles, I had an appreciation
for the complexity of them. I immediately recognized the sacred geometry that was in
them. And I had studied the Fibernacci sequence, the golden mean ratio,
and I had been a meditator, and you know, I immediately started to
think I almost understood what the formations were saying, even though I didn't.
It's like some of those geometries you can look at and go, oh,
I understand that, and then you look at it and you go, well,
actually, no, I really don't, but it looks like it's saying
something. And I think that's what drew me in, you know, and
I just continued to be more and more perplexed. And I think it's my
curiosity that really continued to keep me hooked. Even when I got into my
forties and fifties, you know, when I finally could afford to go there
and I had the time, and my kids were raised, and I was
brave enough to rent a car and drive on the other side of the road.
You know. Yeah, Now there are there's some very well known the
two guys that were doing the hoaxes, and then there's confusion between like you
just mentioned the one near Stone Hedge that just appeared a plane flew over and
then flew back and all of a sudden it was there, you know.
But but other ones, you know, this is where it gets muddy and
confusing, because you know, some people say that every single one of them
are are hoaxed, and then some people say, well, some of them
have some mysterious things going on. What's your what's your general overview on that
stage? Well, if if you want, we can actually jump to slide
four and I can introduce the two very famous hoaxers if you want to,
let's go there. Doug Bower and Dave Shirley are shown in the bottom right
of that screen. Now, you know, the crop circles were getting a
lot of attention in the early nineties. Colin Andrews, Pat Delgado, Terrence
Needen, we're working together. They came out with some of their first books
and I think maybe the British media or somebody else was not too happy with
the attention that the crop circles were getting. There were huge numbers of them
happening. I mean first it used to be five or six or eight or
ten a summer. Then it suddenly jumped to like twenty thirty, forty fifty
sixty a summer. And you know, people were going crazy over these,
and Doug and Dave were featured in a like a BBC special, but it
wasn't actually a BBC special. When you'll go back and look at this nineteen
ninety three special, they came out featuring them claiming they made all the crop
circles when you do your homework. That ad agency didn't really officially exist as
a professional ad agency, but it funded this documentary that was then out on
major networks around the world claiming that Doug and Dave were making all the crop
circles, certainly in England, and then of course media has given them credit
for making them all around the world. They're not saying it was Doug and
Dave. What the media means is that all formations are hoaxed. And don't
you know that, because Doug and Dave came out and admitted it, so
you know, you have to kind of look at the source and dig a
little deeper. I was fascinated that, yes, you can hoax interesting formations.
And unless you understand some idiosyncrasies about the crop and the soil and you
start doing c germinations studies, or you start looking under a microscope at the
soil samples seeing if they're magnetic, or how dry the soil is, or
how intricately the crops are bent, you don't really know it. Deck takes
a little while. You have to develop a level of sophistication. So on
that slide, on number four, I'm showing you advertisements that are being done
now by major media because they hold they like the whole idea of the crop
circle and they want to use that to help sell their products. Oh sure,
it's a great way to you know, get some attention for sure.
Right, it's like let's be hip, right, let's look like hip.
Right. But the one thing that people don't realize and crop circle researchers love
this is these are known hoaxes. Right, So the advertising agency pays the
farmer like ten thousand dollars for their crop, and they go in and they
spend hours and hours and hours, five, ten, fifteen, twenty hours.
They stake it out so we can go and compare those formations that were
done for advertising to these other formations that we look at. The team to
appear overnight at three thirty four in the morning. Now, so right,
they're really wonderful because you know, it really provides this perfect comparison tool.
And so the ones that are done in the middle of the night, how
I think I saw a show on crop Circles where someone tried to replicate something
in the middle of the night, you know, secretly, and they almost
pulled it off. Now, if someone was doing it, you know,
on a regular basis, maybe they could pull it off easy enough. But
do you think there are still people hoaxing? Now there might be. I'm
not currently going to England every summer. I'm not kind of watching you know,
the lay of the land and who's doing what, who's whispering about what
and what pub you know, and who's looking at a graphic. And I
know that there were teams that used to prepare. They would hoax in other
areas to perfect what they were going to do a couple of times, and
then they would go out and try to make the real formation. But honestly,
I just you know, there's so many rabbits to chase in life.
I've kind of done more homework and research about, well, what actually could
cause these things and is there an historical content to them. I think that's
a really interesting topic that a lot of people overlook. And in fact,
if we want, we can jump to slide five, sure, because that's
an interesting story, and I'll just give you a heads up. Martin two.
I'm having a major electrical storm here in Philadelphia. I was hearing something.
Yeah, we've had a huge heat wave and if you see flashes right
outside my window, it's pouring rain. I do have a backup generator,
so if we get cut off, we'll jump back in. Sometimes our power
goes out, so that that noise I'm hearing. I thought it might be
something to do with audio, but that's actually thunder. Yeah, it's not
a cat story. It happened in the path. I apologize. It's a
major electrical storm and stuff. Okay, sure, So let's look at this
woodblock from sixteen seventy eight. A friend of mine him, he doesn't know
me well, but I have a lot of respect for him. His name
is Andy Thomas. He's written some books on the crop circle topic, and
he's the one who's credited with actually digging this woodblock up in the British archives.
And there's a little story behind this woodblock. Obviously, it was created
with an old fashioned woodblock for printing the way early papers were printed. You
know, we're literally block print presses. So in the late sixteenth century,
right sixteen seventy eight, there was a church that had a newspaper, a
parish paper, and it was in Henceford or Hensonford, I think you pronounced
it, which is right in the Wiltshire area today where crop circles are happening.
And an angry farmer came to the parish all upset that not only was
their odd lights floating around his farm the night before that looked like the sky
was on fire and the field was on fire, and he didn't understand what
was happening. But the next morning when he went out, he saw that
his crop was downed. And the article basically said, you know, why
didn't the devil, Why did the devil just lay all this crop down?
Why didn't he just cut it and take it away with him? So the
art to pis a little devil actually using like a hatchet or forget what they
call that us not a sizzle, I write a sigh. It looks like
the devil is cutting the crop. But in fact the story went on to
explain that the crop was downed and it was now you know, attracting bugs
and slugs and flies and birds, and the farmer couldn't harvest it. And
the response was why didn't the devil just take the crop away with him?
So in that mindset, in that period of time, there was this idea
that something supernatural was happening, which I think is really interesting when you look
at the whole consciousness field. Okay, they realized something odd happened, but
they didn't know what to blame it on. They didn't know how to evaluate
it. So it was either a faery visited your field and created this like
garden environment for you to go out and be in, or the devil came
by and you were coast. You were being cursed by the mowing devil.
So Shakespeare wrote about fairy rings and this is what he was talking about.
It's just quite interesting. So I just thought it was fascinating that this goes
back even to the sixteen hundreds and explained the same sort of thing that we're
happening, you know, that we're finding today in the field. So there
is some historical content. There's also American Indian stories that have happened in our
country, certainly in Ohio and in Indiana and Kentucky and even down into North
Carolina. Various Indian tribes talked about formations that would occur in their crops and
what would they You know, when you think of the Native Americans, it's
always like a verbal history, so carried down. It's all only oral history.
In very few places it's recorded, and where it's recorded, it's often
in calvary records or where the cavalry was meeting with Indian chiefs or tribes,
and a lot of times exchanging and even buying food supplies and things like that
from them, because a lot of these outposts were not in places where the
servicemen could actually get, you know, the dry goods from the military,
so they were exchanging and buying and trading, and there was a lot of
history recording back and forth. Some of that's buried, but some of it's
accessible, and there's fascinating history there, including a history of a war between
giants, which I think is interesting and you know a native tribe of giants
that was killed out by some other tribes, right right, So that's another
podcast. Yeah, yeah, So this late seventeenth century woodcut. Was there
any other like written history besides this or is that about? I mean,
that is pretty early, but do you know if it goes any earlier than
that. I don't specifically, although I would think that the you know,
there probably are records of it. I haven't gone digging for them. I
do know that like during the Second World War, during the major blitz that
happened in London, lots of Londoners were children were sent out into the countryside.
Wilshire is about an hour and a half two hours outside of the city
and they these kids were you know, with cousins or with friends or with
families, and a lot of them found their way into crop circles that were
occurring then. So I know that there was a large number of happening in
the thirties and forties, and they're recorded in journals and things like that.
Drawings were done of them, personal family histories recorded them, and there are
some photos from the Four Days as well. All right, all right,
well we have to go into break. Um, so you are listening to
podcast UFO on kg R A Radio. My guest tonight is Jennifer Stein,
and we'll be right back right after this commercial break. When did the girls
room? I've been drinking. You go right ahead. I have actually I
actually have a skype caller. I'm going to take the caller. So I
think I have you there, Skype caller. What's your first name? Were
you calling from Charlotte? Man? I'm calling from Tyler, Texas. Okay,
so we're on break and right now. But did you have a did
you have a question or did you want to talk about something in particular?
Um, well, I have a question, and yes I am calling about
something in particular. I just happened on to one of your posts about a
crash of the UFO and Cape Gatamas earlier nineteen forty one. Okay, that's
my story, that's my family. Those pictures that have posted or are not
supposed to be reprinted, they're copyrighted. And I'd like to know where this
story where you all got it from? What website are you? What website
are you looking at? Let's see, I just put in a UFO nineteen
forty one, and it came up. Okay, that's not my website.
That's all I'm saying. But do you want to tell We've got a few
minutes here if you want to tell the audience about that particular incident. No,
I'm not ready to go public with it yet. I'm trying to.
There's been a lot said about it, and the majority is not true,
and I'm putting that together now. So I just wanted to find out how
Um, yeah, it's not it's not my website. So if you want
to, what I would suggest to do is to go to the website and
look down at the bottom. You might be able to see a webmaster connection
and just connect with them and then you can ask them that that question.
Okay, all right, thank you, all right, thank you. All
right, I'm back. You're back. Yes, Um, So we'll get
back into the crop circles. We have a couple of minutes. It looks
like left and so this is where again I like to talk about off topics.
So I see, I'm trying to see in your bookcases back behind you.
I see a couple of interesting looking images I got out some of my
little guys in the background. What are they called ebe awards that open,
that's what it is. Yeah, that's what they're standing area. Yeah.
I just sometimes when I do a radio show, I like to pop them
in there. Uh. Now, when you're actually filmmaking, do you do
a lot of the work, um, at your actually at your home right
in this room? Yep, yep, right here. Yeah, I can
turn my my computer just a little bit, like this is my editing suite
right here. You know, this is kind of under my desk, but
yeah, this is my my little suite right here. And uh it's lots
of bookshelves, you know behind me. Um, I don't know if I
screwed that up a little bit. No, that's fine. Yeah yeah,
so yeah, you see mostly mostly me. Okay, that's the way to
keep the budget blow. Right now, it sounds like your microphone. May
can you just check the connection on your microphone? Sure? Sure, sure,
I might have just moved it. I don't know, it's not the
connection. It was tapping on her jewelry, oh smart, Okay, can
you she actually she actually put the mica side over on her left ear this
time, when it was on her right side before. Okay, Um,
I actually was watching when it that that is just a gorgeous necklace album.
Oh isn't it you? It is? It absolutely is. Yeah. Well,
of course I have on wings as my motif for my business because my
name, my maiden name is Wing before I got married. It's Norwegian,
so I like, I like the wing imagery I use. I used wing
as my first email, put an S on the end of it. It's
wyn Ge so I put an S on the end of it, and I
put Oen on the front because I married the name Stein. So that's kind
of like a stone, right, Martin. There's the interesting little tidbits people
will never get anywhere else but right here off the air. All right,
we're are we coming up on the coming? Yes sir, Yes, sir.
We've got about twenty five seconds. All right, we count down.
Okay, that sounds good. All right, So um when we get back,
Um, Jennifer, why don't we get into some more the visuals that
we can pull up on you two? I will all right, sounds good,
I'll pull up the next one in order, which is thirteen. All
right, Welcome back to a podcast UFO on kg R A Radio, kg
R A Radio dot Com. My guest Jennifer Stein, and we're talking crop
circles, So I think it's someone that said to me, you know what
is the connect Is there a connection between UFOs and crop circles? And it's
kind of a blurry line because I know that. Well, for instance,
Nancy over at BLT the Crop Circles scientific study there, she claims that there
was some type of like orb flying over a field. The next day there
was a crop circle. A lot of people talk about orbs. Do you
do you hear a connection between orbs and crop circles? Well, if we're
going to identify an or as a UFO, then yes, we don't really
understand. You remember the woodblock we were just talking about before we went to
break That farmer had odd lights above his field, Like he said, the
sky was a flame and he was afraid his field would catch on fire because
he saw these weird lights dancing around in his crop and he couldn't figure out
what it is. And I'll tell you, if you're in England in a
dry season with a fire going in a field, it's frightening because it could
be a massive fire quickly, like these fires we've seen in Los Angeles area
and throughout California and of course Arizona and in Mexico. You don't want a
fire and a super dry crop because it will spread like wildfire. So I
don't know. I can't prove that UFOs are causing crop circles. So usually
when I present and talk, I try to keep a fairly signcientific and grounded
approach because I don't want to exclude people who would just blow me off or
blow the topic off because they think either I don't know what I'm talking about,
or you know, people who think that aliens are making crop circles are
nuts. You know, there are people who make those judgment calls, so
they exclude themselves from the mystery of figuring out what's going on. Now.
I've been studying and researching this like in depth, like reading white papers and
research papers, studying earthquake phenomenon. What happens then right before an earthquake happens,
we also see unusual lights going on right on the surface of the ground.
They call these plasma discharges or coronal mess you know, not not coronal
that's the sun, but they're like plasma explosions that take place and or their
orbs that fly around sometimes right before an earthquake is going to happen, So
that might something to do with what's going on under the ground. And Nancy
actually brought this out quite well. I met a man I think his name
is Glen Burton Wharton. He's English and he has studied in depth the aquifers,
and what is happening electrically in those aquifers in the summer is quite interesting.
You have water percolating through what we call green sand or limestone aquifers.
So just imagine like a trough of stones, and the water percolates through them,
and it settles down through those stones, even fine stones and sand,
and when it does, electrons are peeled off the oxygen bond you know,
I mean the hydrogen and oxygen bond that makes up water. So when you
have these radical electrons right flying off their positive electrons, usually they can actually
seep up to the surface. And when you have a lot of positive ions
like that are positive electors gathering, they're going to attract other positive ions or
positive electrons in the air, and you may have something happening similar to lightning,
but it's happening on a different level. It's happening on like lightning is
often a positive feeder that goes up to a positive feeder coming down from the
clouds the bottom side of the clouds, and when those two meet, you
have a circuit, and when the circuit links, you will see the lightning
because the charge that's build up in the ground and in the cloud can release
itself, and as soon as that happens, then you have this, you
know, release of the water that can fall from that cloud. So what's
going on is a very interesting electrical relationship between the ground and the lower part
of the atmosphere of the underside of the cloud. There might be something happening
similarly with plasmas that we don't yet fully understand that creates this artifacting of orbs
that we see an encounter. And since consciousness in our physical makeup has a
lot to do with light and electricity, we may be actually able to consciously
interact with that source, that power source, because we are electrical ourselves and
we are conscious. So there may be a level of some kind of sophisticated
understanding of conscious science that we don't yet know how to language that may be
interfacing with what's going on in crop circles. This is kind of where I've
been been drawn into, basically by looking at earthquake studies believe it or not,
and corresponding with physicists and plasma physicists as well discussing this topic a wonderful
man. I go to the Electric Universe conferences to try to understand what they're
talking about, because it all deals with electricity and basically what we think of
a dark batter and dark energy really being current like electrical current that we don't
are not aware of. But once we understand that, it's like an ocean
that we can float on in space, not only float on, but used
to power our ships or our environments. We can create and we may even
be able to travel faster than the speed of light. It's the speed of
an electron supposedly is faster than the speed of light. Now I have a
hard time wrapping my brain around that, but that's what wal Thornhill last told
me, and he's one of the main key people working with the Electric universe.
So it's just something to think about. I haven't heard that. I
kind of went off topic a little bit there, but it does relate to
consciousness, UFOs and crop circles and what's really going on. Great. I
appreciate that. Now the other thing I think you want to talk about was
the elongated nodes. Yeah, back to some more basic simple science when I
talked about the fact that you can look at some of what we call the
data of the trace evidence right in the field that opens people's minds that might
otherwise be closed. So if we're looking at slide thirteen, we can see
a little picture of a formation looks like a circle with two maybe half shells
or half moons, and two little circles in it. That occurred. Of
course, as the slide says June fourteenth, two thousand and seven, this
is from this may be from the BLT research site, but it's also from
Jeff Wilson site, so both of them researched this particular formation. And you
can see that these are nodes of a wheat crop. So the node is
an area where, like your finger, the crop will grow in a more
cellulous way, and then they'll have a water rich area, which is a
node where it jump starts its next step of growth, and that it'll grow
quickly and then it'll rest, and it'll grow quickly and it'll rest. And
so there are many nodes on different types of crops, whether they're we barley
corn, even soybeans have nodes and it's the water rich part of the crop.
So what happens when a crop gets affected by these high intense energies,
We believe because we've been able to mimic it sort of in a microwave,
the fluid heats up, and when it heats up, it has to expand,
so it expands out the most water rich part of the crop, which
is usually the node. So the nodes can elongate or stretch, or even
sometimes we have what we call expulsion cavities where the node actually explodes. So
various different things happen depending on the amount of energy that's hitting the crop and
causing this incident to occur. So you have two samples of nodes here.
One is called the control taken from outside the formation, and the other as
a inside the formation noted as formation. And you can see that one is
like twice as long as the other. I think we're looking at centimeters here,
and one is like eight to nine centimeters or I'm sorry, not not
quite one full centimeter, and the other is like a half a centimeter,
So it's twice twice the side inside the formation as opposed to outside. Now,
what also is a misinterpretation I like to point out for people is the
darkening does not reflect that the node is burned or that the crop is burned.
That shows that the fluid quickly seeped through the node as it stretched and
elongated, and bug showed up, flies and gnats and landed on that fluid
and ate it or sucked it up, used it for energy, and left
behind bacteria which then decays. And that's a process known as necrosis. So
you're looking at the darkening of the crop and you I noted the process of
necrosis at the bottom of the slide. So it's just goes to show you
that when you start to dig into this, there's a lot of science there.
So we can jump to the next slide unless you want it inter Yeah,
sure, no, I think it's it's interesting that there's actually physically there's
physical changes that happen that it's not actually a break. You know, you'd
expect that if it was stomped down, it would be a break. Is
there anything physically that someone could do to make it do that? Or is
it has to be through heat or something you can't in a controlled environment,
you can't make it do what it does. I've been in known hoaxed formations
like those advertising ads I told you about before. We never see this kind
of stuff in those never never. Well, in fact, we see broken
crops right at the stem, and a lot of times we can see board
marks and footmarks. You can see footmarks in the field. You can see
pole marks where people put and polls, and they did things with string to
get an exact circle. You can do with a simple poll and string for
a radius, you know. So yeah, yeah, we can easily find
things. So if you're looking at slide fifteen, you can see this is
from that same formation. Oh I'm sorry, it's a different formation, forgive
me, but around the same period of time. It's July fourth, two
thousand and three. This was in Wisconsin. You can see a little picture
of the three circles that appeared. And this formation actually had an eyewitness to
it. I think his name is Art Rontala. He watched this happen.
So Jeff Wilson is pictured there with Art Rontala and another guy named Roger Sturgeon,
and they went out to investigate it. Here you can clearly see on
the left hand side a clear what we call an expulsion cavity, where the
literally the side of the node is not only enlarged, but it's blown out
and you can see into the inner part of the crop. But not only
that, right above it, you'll see the wheat head which is sitting on
You're supposed to be sitting right on top of the crop, but instead the
wheat head is pushed off and there's this long curly cue from the top of
the wheat stalk to the wheat head. Can you see that that little curly
cue thing there. It's quite fascinating. The other thing you're looking at is
a magnet holding the soil. Okay, if you go out in your yard
with a magnet, it's doubtful that the soil is going to stick to a
magnet. But in a crop circle, what we find when we look at
the soil under a microscope, which is also pictured there on that slide,
we find not only interesting coagulations of metallic and magnetic metals that are clumped together,
but we also find these little tiny things that look like ball bearings.
Right, we can see them under a microscope. They're like what you would
have in a rolling drawer in your kitchen or something. If you had a
rolling ball bearings in a sliding dwar or something like that. Now, how
to those form? They're perfectly spherical, there's a lot of evidence, but
they could be forming by something coming down quickly with a plasma energy from the
upper atmosphere because we have large amounts of magnetic dust up there. And if
you have plasma energy, that could actually draw those things together because they're magnetic,
keep them, spiral them, spin them, thrust them down to the
ground because of some kind of release or exchange going on. Remember we were
talking about the ground and the upper atmosphere connecting like lightning, but different.
There could be a plasma dis charge pulling these down to the ground, or
they could fall to the ground. Because the time that croft circles occur is
very, very very early in the morning. It's like three thirty four thirty
in the morning. And what's actually happening electrically is you have to kind of
go back and look at the subtle earth energies that are going on at that
period of time. You're just beginning to come up on sunrise, so the
sun is coming up on the far side of the Earth, and it's pushing
mass amounts of electrical charge across the surface of the Earth like a wave,
just like the wave of an ocean. You don't see it, but it's
happening on the surface. So as the sun comes up, you have this
circular wave of energy going on with electrical charges from the ground up to the
upper atmosphere. You also have a very very very thin ionosphere, which is
our electrical barrier, right. That is kind of like our atmosphere is below
it and the megasphere is above it. And this is hugely important as well,
because if a plasma is going to penetrate this, this is the thinnest
part of its life in a twenty four hour cycle, and it would be
very easy for it to penetrate. So maybe these little tiny balls that you're
looking at that I was talking about earlier, these little tiny round spheres,
maybe they are literally being helmeted down onto the crop. And that's probably what
makes the crop circle magnetic. Because when you walk in and you're on a
cell phone call, right, your cell phone drops off and you step outside
of the formation, right, You can take your phone and hold it inside
the formation or outside the formation outside your bars come back and you have your
call. You take it inside the edge of the formation and it disappears.
So often there's a magnetic field happening inside these formations, which is really fascinating.
So what's causing it? Large amounts of magnetic debris could be creating a
field. One quick question about those little spheres. Did you also test outside
of the circle to see if they were out and they were not there?
Not? No, no, they are not, and the coagulation of the
soils are not. So usually when a formation is tested scientifically, there's a
line drawn through it. I don't think. I let me look and see
if I gave us a slide. M I didn't really, I didn't really
give us a good slide showing how the evaluations are done. But basically,
we draw like a big line through the crop, sometimes two, three or
four if we can, and they're not only inside the crop but outside the
crop on certain trajectories that cross, so we can compare, Okay, is
something happening on the sunline, or is something happening on the waterline, or
you know, and we can look at outside and inside and look for comparisons
and we usually find them, and then all that data is plotted on a
graph. So what about the metallurgy of the spheres did you discover what exactly?
Were they anything unusual? Actually, yes, there was a lot of
work done by BLT Research, and there are some peer review documents on Nancy
Talbot's website that people can go and look at that really go into great depth.
In fact, Nelson Rockefeller, I think it was no LaRence Rockefeller actually
donated close to one hundred thousand dollars to do an in depth research with a
number of researchers to specifically look at the soil samples that were and look at
the metal samples and look at the crop damage. And a major clay mineralologist
named Reynolds. Can't remember his first name, but the professor Reynolds said he
was really, really really perplexed because the amount of heat that it would take
to create something like he was looking at. In the study focused on the
crystallinity that happened to the clay minerals, So it wasn't just the metals specifically,
but it was the different types of iliac and Smeckt types of clay minerals.
They were crystallized, but the only way to get them crystallized would require
close to fifteen hundred degrees fahrenheit over a long period of time, though water
and moisture and whatever liquid was in that crop to escape before that um soil
could become crystalline. And interestingly, where the nodes were the greatest in a
formation, the crystallinity peaks were the highest on what's called the Coogler index charts
that they looked at for the data. So that's fascinating. It is anything
anything that can be looked at, UM that's unusual like this in a scientific
way to me, you know, deserves a really close look. So sure
sure does, Sure sure does. And of course we can. We can
jump to slide eighteen if you want. I believe that is a grasshopper.
Um, that's melted right over a stock. Um. You know, we
didn't get slide eighteen. I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, sorry,
sorry, Wait a minute, there's we have one something about a grasshopper.
It wasn't Maybe I'm totally wrong. So go ahead, Well we'll pop the
Unusual Animal and Insect Findings, it says across the top. Yeah yeah,
we got it, got it? Yeah yeah, okay, mine says eighteen.
And you know, I might have pulled slides from Oh that's okay.
I have a lot of different power point presentations and stuff goes in and stuff
comes out, and the slide numbers change. But that's This is the type
of thing you find a lot and you're kind of trained to start to look
for as a crop circle researcher. So you can clearly see that grasshopper's body
is melted right over that crop. So we find flies, we find sometimes
hard cooked eggs, we find you know, even somebody found a cooked porky
pine cooked mice. It looks like they were microwaved. Wow, and and
are these these actually are you sure that these things are like cooked and not
just preserved somehow by well, they're dead and it looks like they were scrambling.
Like. We find flies stuck to the crop. Now, what is
going to what is going to take a large group of flies and cook them
to the end of a wheat stalk. I'm sorry I didn't put one of
those slides in for you, But you shake the stalk and the flies don't
come up. The flies are literally melted onto that crop. They're fused with
the crop. So something pretty significant happened. Yeah, And that's what we
try to pay attention to as a crop circle researcher. And another thing that
I look at I don't think I even put a slide in about this.
I did not, But I go and look at what we call randomly down
crop. Any of your listeners, especially if they live near agricultural areas,
they're going to be driving along the side of the highway and look out and
see large areas that look like they're messy and down and the rest of the
crop is standing up. If they've got time and it's they're not worried about
trespassing, or they know the farmer, you know, go knock on the
farmer's door and say, hey, can I take a look in your crop,
Like, what's what's going on at here? Why did your crop suddenly
fall over? And why is it not standing straight up? It's not wind.
If it was wind, the crop would fall over and then right itself
back up. But this crop is permanently downed, and it looks like something
electrical happen to it, like and you could almost see what looks like a
wave that ran through it. And I think it's like an electrical wave,
like a plasma wave because plasmas operate in similar ways that other fluid dynamics do,
but they're much much, much, much much more powerful. I spend
a year reading Anthony Perett's book about the physical nature of the plasma universe,
and I have to confess, like a lot of the map I just I
let it go over my head. I did you know. I do have
a Bachelor of Science, and I did do a lot of chemistry for my
undergraduate degree, which was in textiles. But you spend time reading Anthony Parat's
book and you start looking at the geometries and the way plasmas behave, and
then you start looking at crop circles and you see the similarity immediately, and
you understand the powerful force that plasma energies have, and you can begin to
extrapolate, as I think I have that something electrical is going on. So
I really need to find a good geologist and good physical plasma expert who'd be
willing to start exploring this with me. I've started a dialogue with Gerald Wolf
and another man named Friedman Stanton, not the Stanton different guy. Yeah,
wow, this makes reverse Yeah really that really makes a lot of people up.
Yeah, it's similar to it there's a new in his name. Someone
in the chat room had a question. They wanted to know do these crop
circles ever appear in corn fields? Yeah? Yees. In fact, let's
jump to a corn field presentation. It's slide thirty three. Right, yep,
we'll get that right up. Okay, that's up now, so go
ahead. That's cornfield cornfield, Yeah, it's it's an aerial shot taken from
an airplane. I talked to the guy who walked into this formation. I
met him at a conference in Ohio, and he said to me, Jen,
he said, it had been raining, it'd been this huge storm the
night before. It was muddy. My boots were covered with mud when I
walked into this. And when I got to the actual formation, the soil
where the formation is was dry. He said it was his He was a
builder, and he said it was like drywall. And he started like banging
his fists or his thumb, you know, his knuckle on the table,
and he's saying, you know, it's like it's hardness, drywall, Like
I couldn't put my finger through the soil. And I was like, wow,
well that's interesting, you know, it is strange. Yeah, this,
of course this picture is done by Chris Steele. I always like to
add and note he's from the ICCRA, one of Jeff Wilson's researchers, and
this formation had blown collars or blown notes in the corn stock, actually all
the way up the stock. I did get to look at pictures of them.
I didn't research this one myself, but the soil was dry and very
magnetic. And one of the things that we didn't talk about yet but I'm
hoping to get to is the fact that it was near an ancient mound.
And in fact, one of the next slides I have for you is thirty
five. Okay, it actually has two mounds pictured there for you. But
this corn formation that you're looking at was less than a sixteenth of a mile
from what's called the Miamisburg Mound, which is on the left. This is
one of the largest conical mounds that we have in the United States, meaning
it just it looks like the one on the right, but you can't see
it as well. It's also the Miamisburg Mound looks smaller than Silbury Hill.
Two researchers from the Smithsonian named Squire and Davis, were assigned a job in
the eighteen fifties to go around and research a lot of the ancient mounds in
Ohio and Kentucky and Wisconsin, in Indiana and in many cases take them apart.
And I believe they took this mound apart. We know historically they did,
and when they put it back together, they didn't quite do it right,
because it's wider at the bottom. It's kind of cock eyed at the
top, but it has a number of steps up the top. It has
a flat plateau at the top. And this is in an area called Miamisburg
because the mound, well, the mound is named the Miamisburg Mound because it's
closest to Miamisburg, Ohio. But we think our mounds in our country are
maybe a thousand years old or less, you know, we don't. We
think the Native Americans built them, which is probably not true, because the
Native Americans often said in their oral histories and they're written histories that the cavalry
have, that we we didn't build the mound, so they were here before.
We honored the people who built them before. And in many cases there
are stories linked to this giant race. I was talking about red hair,
blue eyed giants who were involved in mound building. But that's another story.
There's also a whole theory that it could be a race of Nubians or a
group who had been here from Egypt mining precious metals up on the top of
Wisconsin and bringing them down the Mississippi River, but again that's another podcast.
So you're seeing a mound on the opposite side called Silbury Hill, and this
mound is in England, considered to be close to four to five thousand years
old, you know, in fact, yeah, at least that or longer.
And many people think the Druids made them. But let's jump to our
next slide because you're going to see these both from the air. In the
next slide. I think that number is thirty six. Okay, hey,
just let you know I'm going to be accepting phone calls and is that okay
with you? Oh? Absolutely, yeah, So that number will be up
on the screen. It's already over at the chat in KGr A radio,
so that number is coming right up. Here we go. So when you
look at these two mounds, they are still in the same place. Miamisburg
is on the left and Silbury Hill is on the right, So they look
like the same mound when you look at them from the air, don't they
you do? Yeah, it doesn't take a rocket science to think that maybe
the same culture that built these in Europe and in England might have been involved
in also building them here in the United States. And we have overlooked this
history. You know, there's this manifest destiny that was brought into place by
our founding fathers who really wanted to eradicate any type of traditional or Native American
or indigenous histories that we're here and you know very little about the cultures that
built these mounds. But remember what we were talking about before about how greensand
aquifers are very interesting, geologically profound, electrically stimulating areas. These mounds,
both in England and in the United States are built in areas where you have
large greensand aquifers under the ground. Is that because there is a conscious connection
that these ancient cultures somehow understood They were probably meditators. I mean, they
didn't have all the electronic distractions of course that we have. They probably paid
attention to their intuition and maybe their intuition was heightened or their awareness was heightened
around areas that had these geologic electrical charges, and maybe they built these geometric
shapes because that magnified their their ability to perceive or connect into the more subtle
realms of consciousness. I suspect there's an overlap. There's a wonderful book by
John Burke, who actually worked with Nancy Talbot. That's them, I think
the b in BLT. So John Burke wrote a book called Stone of Stone
of Knowledge, Seed of Plenty I think was the name of the book,
and he leads his reader to the awareness that ancient cultures had a relationship with
the land that we've lost in our current day culture. And if there is
a form of consciousness trying to reach out to us and communicate, this would
be a perfect environment in which to do it, where you have electrical powers
in the ground that can affect our consciousness and that can affect the crop and
the geometries. And I don't know, but I have to pay attention to
this. And following that thought, I'm gonna call out another slide for you.
One of the next one's thirty seven. Okay, So these are additional
shaped ancient mounds, different than conical mounds. So these are not just peaks
that look like pyramids or hills made out of soil. These are circles.
These are huge like oval geometries laid on the ground. They're about ten foot
high, you know, and then ten foot drops and then on one side
there is a deep ridge. So again on the right we have English large
mounds. One is called Avebury. There's a whole town inside of this.
We're looking at like eighty acres. That's how big this thing is. And
they're used to be stones laid inside this mound. And of course at the
bottom is Stonehenge. So many people do not realize that the builders of Stonehenge
also built an earthen mound which is outside the stone perimeters. So there's something
about geometryes on the ground that are very profound. Is it because being inside
a geometry, see that we know sacred geometry is very profound when we look
at it, it gives us a sense of balance, like listening to classical
music, right, But what if there's a huge geometry that you're standing in
and then you're meditating and you've got these electrical things going on to the ground
and the sky and different times of day when energies are different. Is there
is there something significant here. I think the ancient cultures knew that, and
there was and even Stonehenge s Mound has a doorway opening to it. If
you look at the whole circle, it seems to go all the way around,
except it doesn't completely meet. There's an entrance. Can you see that
at the bottom of the slide that aligned with a solstice. So these were
pointing to astronomical alignments. I mean many people said Stonehenge, well, it
was a clock, you know, it was a way to tell time galactically
possibly or to mark changes in procession. You know, every seventy one years
there's a shift in our relationship with our pole star and with our I'm sorry,
not with our pole star, with our zodiacal constellations. You know,
we move very very slowly. I think it's twenty six thousand years before we
make a full cycle. Well, the only way you're going to be able
to know that is with something like Stonehenge on the ground looking at the night
sky. That's how you mark your procession. So when you look at ancient
cultures, they paid attention to these long, long, long counts of twenty
six, twenty seven, twenty nine thousand years. You know, we worry
about what's happening in this quarter right with us four months. You know,
it's it's a very different mind at these ancient cultures. So jumping to the
opposite side of the slide, we're looking at mounds that are identical to these
mounds, and they're in the United States. So one is in Newark.
It's in Licking County, and it's actually a golf course. That's the only
way it survived to today. Unless these mounds are bought and preserved, often
by private investors, they are going by the wayside. I mean, we've
lost probably over a million of them. And I mean that's my personal destination,
but I could be way off. But below the Licking Mound is the
Newark Mound. It's not too far from Columbus, so people flying in and
out of Ohio, it's about a fifteen minute drive from the Columbus airport.
And every time I fly in and out of there, if I go for
a lecture or I visit friends or family in Ohio, I just I love
to take time and just you head over the highway and it's literally not a
bad drive at all, and just go and walk up in this mound.
It's like breathtakingly beautiful. I do remember that as far as Native Americans go,
I believe it's the Micmac Indians native to the area I live in in
northern New England. They built they built mounds for burial purposes, but they
were much smaller than you know, these massive mounds that you're you're talking about.
So there is some there is some Native American culture that did believe in,
you know, building mounds. Yeah, but you're right, history is
lost, so you know, we we have we're a society of amnesia.
Really we really don't have. You think about how long humans are supposed to
be here, and we really don't know. We don't really have a much
of a clue when you go back. You're absolutely right. Squire and Davis
did find a number of mounds with bodies in them, but usually the bodies
were above the layer of the mound, so like if it's a conical mound,
the bodies were buried in they were like literally dug holes and they were
slid in. So it's not thought that many of the mounds were built originally
intended as burial mounds. And in fact, if we want to jump to
slide thirty eight. We can look at some of the other things that Squire
and Davis dug up, and their books are readily available from the Smithsonian.
You can go and find them if anybody wants to google and research them.
They worked for probably ten years for the Smithsonian and they really documented their work.
They drew pictures and they used early survey equipment to mark the size and
the shape of them and the artifacts that they found. So this slide thirty
eight has bone artifacts, okay, that were made probably by the indigenous Indians
and then buried inside this particular mound, Middle Valley Mound, which is in
Illinois. So just looking at those geometry, it looks like Pennsylvania duckt symbolism,
doesn't it. Or you could say it looks like crop circles right,
or also looks like the Pacific Northwest some of their designs. Yes, So
indigenous cultures had an understanding of geometry that meant something to them, almost like
a conscious symbol, whether it was the wholism of life, or the balance
of life, or the interaction of life, or literally the impact of charges
coming together and releasing. What's very interesting, Martin is when I was reading
Anthony Paratt's book, and I started to look at how plasmas impact and the
type of shapes and forms they can make, like on a steel witness plate,
if you're using a plasma gun and a lab. Wow, I started
to see crop circle formations all over the place. That's what was really interesting.
I also when I speak on crop circle, I pull up a little
video that I didn't make available to you because I wasn't sure we had the
ability to share them. But wal Thornhill, who works with the Electric Universe,
has demonstrated something called bennett Z pinch, which is a plasma activity that
happens. It's it's actually you can do it with just electromagnetic charge as well,
but magnetism can force things to collapse and move very very quickly. And
he shows a demonstration which looks like one of these slides where you have it's
the darkest one. It's like a light circle on the outside and a dark
pinching set of wings that look like they're all connected. It's the second from
the bottom and it's on the left of those symbols we're looking at that are
shell symbols done by traditional tribes. So wal Thornhill can demonstrate that with a
coke can and a magnetic field, which is absolutely blows me away. It's
fascinating. So I think that there is some overlap that we have yet to
understand electrically that's going on. And Woolf does too. Actually, by the
way, he's a lovely man from believe Australia or New Zealand. I have
a question that came in. By the way, the lines are open.
If anyone wants to call that numbers up on the screen, I'll just give
that number out if someone's listening over at KGr A Radio. I know it's
at in the chat over there as well. Six h three nine six seven
four h three. Oh that phone number is only live during the show anyway.
The question in the chat room do you know what happened to the guy
who thought a crop circle contained plans to build a UFO? Did you ever
hear anything about that? Yeah, this is any That was from a question
from Australia. So on that topic, where are these crop circles seen?
They all over the world. Yes, they're happening. I think upwards of
less less count I knew it was something like twenty five or thirty countries.
They've been documented. I know they're happening like in Italy and in Belgium and
in Israel, and there's some even in South America, of course, all
over the United States, Canada, England, France, and Turkey. There's
been some reported in Turkey, Russia. It's they're they're they're all over,
but there are interestingly concentrations of formations and where the formations concentrate, like we
have a lot in Ohio. It's the largest state that hasn't and it's also
the area with the largest one of the states with the largest green sand or
limestone aquifer, deep deep, deep underneath the state. And the same is
true in England. England has I think one of the largest green sand aquifers
of Europe, and it runs straight, you know, from one end of
the country to the other. But the area where it's the close to the
surfaces right through the wheelchair area. So that's really fascinating. And I think
if we looked at where formations are happening in other parts of the world,
and you studied the geology of them, you may find a similar overlap.
I don't know, I haven't looked specifically for all of them, but I
find it again and again that's interesting. Yeah, I'm wondering if if anyone
is studying like BLT for instance, if they're studying, you know, the
similarities between you know, surfaces and aquifers like you're saying, and other things
you know, through worldwide you know formations. Yeah, I'd just like to
put a hoot out to Nancy Talbot because without the level of research that she
really dedicated herself to, scientifically, I don't think we would be Certainly I
wouldn't be at the level of understanding that I have come to. I mean,
I have a lot of respect for science tific methodology because I think it
brings the more skeptical person like I was talking about earlier into the fold maybe
to do greater research than those that have come before. And certainly I stand
on Nancy's shoulders and many others Jeff Wilson and of course Linda Howe, you
know, always stirring the soup pot for us with our scientific abilities, because
Marti had a background in science as well and journalism. So these pioneers have
really paved the way and for the next generation that will come. Yeah.
And so besides BLT O other people that are actually taking this topic seriously and
investigating, and yourself, of course other other people. I know you said
Colin, Um, what's in England? Yeah, he was very h I
actually saw him. Did we see him in? Wasn't Ian Phoenix this year?
Not? I don't think he was this year. I know I saw
him there at one time. I know he got a Lifetime achieve An award
the same year that I think Ron James and I won for the disclosure dialogues.
I want to say that it was twenty eleven twelve, but I have
not seen Colin, and I have to say I don't know Colin personally,
very very well. I would like to. We've emailed, we've talked,
we sat dinner together, but I don't know that he's continuing to do in
depth research. And I don't know that any real young scientists have come forward.
I do have a friend in New Jersey here who has offered to do
some research, but I have yet to follow up with him. I kind
of have a lot on my plate with a symposium, and there's a lot
of things I'd like to be doing that there just isn't time for, and
it may have to wait till next year, you know, sure, I
would love to do a film about this and really sit down some of these
plasma physicists, some scientists, and some geologists and start to unpack some of
these topics that I've brought up with you tonight. But you know that's going
to have to be a little further down the road. Yeah sure, Yeah,
but I think it would be a very interesting film. Actually, I
encourage you. That would be a something that I think should be explored,
because you know, I mean, there's, okay, there's the hoaxes.
I think that's where the waters get really muddied, because I think so many
people well, if one's hoax, and I understand that, thinking if one's
hoax, then how can you trust the others? You know? Yeah,
so, but when you're actually talking about changes and things like that, it
becomes a little more mysterious. And I think, I actually think we know
very little about what's actually going on around us, you know, in general,
absolutely absolutely, we know very very little about the natural world around us,
really very little. And I think that the next twenty years, with
what's going on with space exploration, we're going to you know, usually the
public is about thirty years behind or forty or fifty years behind sometimes what the
military is doing. And most sophisticated people now understand that the field of operations
for military is in space. It's not on the surface. It's all you
know, satellites and imaging and looking what's going on. So it's also understanding
a new environment living in space and the electrical natures of what's happening. So
I think as we begin to make more things less secret about what's actually going
on up there in space, will begin to understand aspects of our physical reality
around our Earth, like our magnetosphere. We really know very little about our
magnetosphere. You know very little about our son or our solar system. The
magnetosphere, they say, is becoming weaker, and that kind of scares me
because you know, it's so important to have um you know, I mean,
that's supposedly what happened to Mars. You know, Mars had one last
one in the atmosphere just kind of disappeared, right, what ripped it off?
Right? I think it was literally ripped off. Well, when you
start to study electrical current, electrical charges and plasmas, and how things will
attract and bind, repel and attract each other, you begin to realize,
oh, Okay, we live in a very delicate balance in our in our
little you know, hemisphere and our solar system on the Earth, and there
are a lot of things that we are at risk at that we may not
really realize. I've been studying and traveling with Robert Chuck. You've probably have
heard of Robert. He's well known for a discuss the ideas around the Sphinx
probably being much much older than so. He's a very well known geologist,
and he has been studying go Beckley Tepe. I went to Turkey with him
and a number of other people, and he suspects that earlier civilizations might have
had access to knowledge or suspected something was going to happen, and that's maybe
why they buried parts of go Beckley Tepe to preserve it, because they were
aware of the instabilities of the sun. And you know, I just went
to Malta with him back in March a year ago, and I had some
profound discoveries there looking at some of the very very ancient sites that literally looked
like they're vitrified or if the stone is melted in some of these ancient stone
structures there. So where the structures built as protective environments because there was instability
in the sun. It's hard to know, but it's quite fast nating.
Someone has a question, they just wanted to know. This is absolutely going
in a total different direction. And back to the symposium that someone wanted to
ask you, do you know you said that Louis Alsondo, he's gonna there's
going to be about one hundred people allowed in and there's going to be like
questions. Is there any other time that he's going to be like sitting on
a panel and open to Okay, yes, he will be presenting on Friday
night at our keynote banquet, and then Saturday night we may open it to
more than one hundred people. I'm not quite sure. I'll leave that up
to Jan Harzin. But we have a meet and greet and QNA in a
more intimate way with him, and we're selling that for fifty dollars because some
people can't attend the whole conference, but they're really curious to meet Luis Alozondo
and ask him some questions. And I do believe that he is also on
one or he's going to jump in. We're doing two lunch panels during the
day on Saturday and Sunday, So if you want to not take time to
go have lunch, but actually get a box lunch, a sandwich, and
go in and hear a panel of the experts speak. I think he's going
to be on one of our panels, but I don't think i've been told
which day yet, so but I would say for anyone listening, check the
website regularly and see who's on those panels for lunch, because that's another opportunity
to meet him. Okay, all right, thanks so much for taking that
jag. Going back, one last question, because we got I think we
got about four or four and a half five minutes. And I don't even
know if you have a visual of this, but what do you think is
like the most interesting crop circle? Oh gosh, well, you know,
whenever I speak on crop circles, I'm always asked to talk about, you
know, what's known as the grid, and I do have some pictures of
it I can bring up, and I'm trying to decide which one is the
best one. I'll jump to this one first. It's pull up the slide
in a minute, as soon as it opens for me, Flide eighty three.
Okay, the grid, I think I know what. Yeah, I
knew that's the one you were going to be talking about. Yeah, it's
now that's not the one that was near Stonehenge though, that's a different one,
right, correct, correct, it's not one of the Julia set spirals.
This. When this first came down, this was a big puzzle and
nobody knew what it went at. Looking at that slide, you can see
people walking around in the field on the bottom right picture. It's literally a
picture taken from the ground looking at the formation. Nobody understood what it was,
and it wasn't until they got an aerial photograph that Paul V. Gay
actually a British crop circle researcher looked at it and said, hey, that
looks very similar to a digital code that Carl Sagan invented and they sent out
from Aracibo. So in fact, we can jump to another slide, which
is eighty four. So this is almost almost like a Brail type thing.
For the person that's listening, it almost looks like something that would be Brail.
In the early seventies when we were just coming on board with real computer
language, were we had Buyinary simple Osky Buyinary code, and Carl Sagan decided
he wanted to send a message out into space. And this was actually a
publicity stunt to raise money for Aracibo, because so much money had gone into
it and everybody thought it was a waste of government funds. But in Puerto
Rico, we created this huge dish in the ground and then we sent a
little There was a sending device hung above it, which you can see in
slide eighty four in the bottom right, and that sent signals down to the
ground that then bounced back up into outer space. And I don't know how
long it took, maybe twenty minutes or something. We sent this code back
in nineteen seventy four, and the code is divided into a series of segments
that gave information about Aracbo itself, which is on the bottom in the picture
of eighty four. On the left you can see the binary code and how
it was broken up. So the bottom is literally a digital graphic representation in
binary code of what Aricebo looks like, it's size, its shape. Then
the next line above that was our solar system. It had our sun,
which is a big series of like maybe a six blocks covered, and then
all the planets in our solar system with one raise denoting where we live.
And then there was a picture. The next section of code denotes a human
body and our DNA code. Then above that is a section of material.
It denotes our genetic material. It's often referred to as punch, which stands
for like potassium, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon and hydrogen. So what makes
up the physical body. And then the very top series of numbers was our
number system. Oh and I missed one. It's our automic number what all
the number systems are based on, so that you can understand our numbering system
with the atomic number. So this is something like I said, Carl Sagan
invented. Now what's very interesting. If we want to jump back, we
can either go back to the slide we had, which was eighty three.
This thing comes down in the field right outside of an area called cheer Bolton.
You can see in the upper picture above the crop circle picture there's a
picture of a big satellite. It's kind of tipped all the way down on
its side and you see a parking lot. Cheer Bolton is an area in
England where they listen for radio signals. So if there was some intelligent life
trying to communicate with us and they were communicating with radio signals, we would
hear them. But of course maybe they're not. Maybe they're using microwaves or
plasmas or something else. But we're listening. We're listening for radio signals.
Right. Well, I hate to say this, but we're actually at the
end of the wet We're at the end of the show. Yeah, yeah,
it's been, it's been. I can't I can't remember a show that
went by this fast. Jennifer. Well, I'll come back on and we
can talk more about this than other phenomenon. All right, excellent, Okay,
so thanks so much. It was a it was a real pleasure.
Thank you Martin for having me on. All right, great, all right,
so everyone, we are hang on just a second. We are back
next week and we're going to be back with nomar Uh slavic Um. He
was on once before and he as he's it's got a new book coming out.
I actually wrote the forward to it, and it's UFOs Overman and he's
a fun guest and it'll be great to have him back. So I want
to thank the people to help the show. Evan. Of course, I
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remember to keep your eyes to the sky.