What's up, everybody? Welcome to Challenge, a podcast all about MTV is
the Challenge. I'm Big Uncle Sweet Sea, joined as usual by Harlan san
Diego. Just the two of us tonight. Yeah, aren't you as special?
If I knew? If I knew it was just the two of us,
and I know I should have because I was included in the text thread
where we decided that, and apparently the discord where it was also mentioned.
Yeah, I would have. I would have had some romantic music to play
over our first date here. Karln Yeah, you know, I kind of
I kind of feel a little upset by that. Well, you'll get over
it. It's Valentine's Day, and I'm also not doing anything for you on
Valentine's Day, so well Valentine's Days and for another like seven days, five
days, six six days, six six days. We'd get there eventually.
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All right? We are on season thirty nine, episode seventeen, feel
the burn burner centric. Is this what we need at this stage of the
show. I mean no, but unfortunately there was no way to get around
it. Yep, here we are really dog My dog just picked up one
of her squeakiest toys ever, and she's looking at me like, oh yeah,
this is this is the time I got it. Tell that much.
We're recording a podcast. Joker says. There's a shot of Maria's asked this
episode, but I don't. Oh yeah, remember it? Where was it?
It was app okay, so it was literally within the first like three
minutes. Jay walked into her room at one point in time and said,
hey, I have something serious to talk to you about. Oh yeah,
and then they did the belly they did the dance. I made a note
of it of Mariah's asses out again. But yeah. So we start the
episode off by everyone coming. Everybody's sitting around waiting for the winter to come
back. And you see Nurice walk up, which we saw that we saw
her walk up at the end of lap last episode. But we finally get
the like after effects of it. So she walks up and everybody freaks out.
Jay and Michelle are celebrating like they just didn't send her in. Yeah
that was super weird. Why are you guys so excited? I mean,
I get that at one point in time, you were the Fantastic four,
but you are the reason she just went in, Like, yeah, of
course she's fucking pissed at you, Like what is wrong with you people?
I think Jay was trying to play it off like I just had my one
vote. I didn't have any power. I didn't have any control over this.
It wasn't me this episode. Oh he's bad this episode. He just
keeps getting worse. How is that possible? It's like every time I think
I'm at max hatred for Jay, and then every episode it's like, oh,
gaslighting is to the fucking max. Yeah, but it is. Does
he buy his own shit? Though? I feel like he does. That's
even worse. It's oh it's bad. Uh but yeah. So in while
they're all celebrating and Jay sits there and he's he talks about how oh,
yeah, you know, I think she's mad at Olivia. I don't think
she's mad at me. And then he sits there and says, you know,
she's mad at Olivia because Olivia was supposed to pick her and didn't,
and if she had would have changed the whole game, like hold on record,
scratch. She was supposed to pick her, like I know that,
Yes, she for their game, she was supposed to, but you already
got mad at her for all of these other reasons. And now you're saying,
oh, no, that was supposed to That was supposed to happen.
She was supposed to pick Nourise. Nourice was then gonna change that. What
Jay is, Yeah, it seems like he's high on his own supply.
He wants everybody to do his bidding. If you don't, you're you're on
his ship list. It's really weird. It's like he thinks, I don't
know. I can't even explain his behavior. It's of times in this episode.
I really wish I had account of the number of times that he said,
you never helped me. You didn't you know, you didn't protect me?
Right they dude, you and Michelle have been running this game. What
do you mean she didn't protect you? And no, she didn't need to
help you because you didn't help her, like I I really really disliked him
for this episode. Yep. I appreciated that Nourice immediately kind of turns around
everybody as soon as she walks in the house. It's kind of like,
yeah, fuck all, y'all. Yeah, oh y'all. It was touting
them. In her confessional, She's like, as I get back, I
just have to be cool and not make anybody mad at me, and then
it cuts her fuck everybody here. It's like she was super calm during all
of this, though. Yes, you had like that fire burning inside that
you could sort of sense it. It wasn't it wasn't coming out, but
you could you could tell it was there. Oh yeah yeah. And then
we get the cut scene over to Olivia walks away after naresays fuck all y'all,
and Olivia walks away, and you see Michelle walk into her room and
Olivia is just saying, they're bawling. I didn't mean to send the reason
I feel so bad. Olivia is insufferable too, isn't she? Oh my
god, both of them this episode, both of them. I just I
think I'm over Olivia too. I'm over real hardcore over her. Yep.
See, Zach is still defending her, but nope, she's on my shit
list now, Zach. Sorry, yeah, yeah, she's no good.
Yeah. This is where Jay is. Mariah's asses out, Jay and her
and Emmanuel are dancing to the fact that Kylon and Hirasio were gone, which
real quick, Like you guys, Jay, you literally like what last episode
got pissed off at Kyland for laughing at something that didn't even have to do
with asof going home. Yeah, but now you're dancing him going home Like,
yeah, it's all hypocritical shit, it's all just it's all just the
worst. He's just the worst. Yes, Yes, that's all I can
say. We get Olivia and Nourice talking, which I did not expect to
happen so soon. Yeah, I was kind of surprised too. Yeah.
I figured this was gonna be like a way later in the episode you're going
to see Maurice seething and Olivia upset and talking to everybody else about her.
But it didn't happen that way, and Olia says I'm sorry that you were
put in that position. I hate those apologies, and then follows it up
with there was no plan. I swear on my I think she said I
swear on my hair or I swear on something that there was no plan.
Yeah, I really wish they had a cut scene to last week when they
showed the cut scene of her making a deal with Michelle. Yeah, to
be picked second and then pick someone from that alliance. Yeah, there absolutely
was a plan. Yep. They pulled the same stunt on Nurice this episode,
where it you know, kind of went like a flash back to her
actually doing the things you denied doing. I kind of like that, keep
doing that too, that's nice. I did too, But I'm I was
a little upset that they didn't do that here because there was absolutely a plan.
Yeah. I think it was pretty clear though. I mean it's how
could you watch these two episodes and not see that Olivia is full of shit?
Yeah, she's totally full of shitza. Yeah her that she feels betrayed,
but she's not surprised that Olivia backstabbed her. So yeah, that's unfortunate.
That's a really shitty friendship to be in. Like, maybe you shouldn't
be friends with people like that. I wouldn't want to be friends with people
like that. No shit. Oh and now we get our first Berna.
It was just insufferable, isn't she She's just I just know, woman like
this, just really high maintenance, really like just have to be involved in
everything all the time. Yeah. Yeah, we get talking to Michelle saying
that she was so upset that things went down like that, she was so
upset that Michelle picked Olivia instead of her, and then she does I do
give her this in her talking head she did say they she was upset with
a big reason why she was upset with Michelle is because Michelle has now shown
her that Michelle's willing to put her good friends in a position to betray their
good friends, and she doesn't appreciate that. Yeah, okay, that's that's
legit, but sort of. But it's just it's her way of making everything
about Berna again. Oh, I mean it is, but it's still like
a little a little bit of silver lining in that whole conversation. Yeah,
excuse me how I feel about that? I know, totally hard to impress
today. You know, ye cracked my back? Did that catch that get
picked up on the mic Oh no, I heard the chair. I didn't
get that. I'm getting old. That was ridiculous. You are the old
man on the podcast? Today, Well I am tonight. Yeah, that's
right, as the second most gray in my beard out of all four of
us. Yep, I don't have any gray in my beard. No,
very sad for you. Maybe someday. Let me get the cut scene over
it to They walk back and Michelle walks back inside, and Nares is still
talking to Olivia, and this is where we get the first the first mention
of there are six guys or six girls and four guys. Yeah, they
could make this an all girls final. Yes, I love this plan.
I love that nurse brought it. It's it is fucking brilliant. This has
been great. Yeah, this episode went exactly wrong for that to happen.
But yeah, I will get into this later. But I hate women like
Berna who hear shit like this that are like, oh my god, this
is I don't care if I haven't worked with you all season. This is
like unprecedented, this has never happened before. Yeah, and then she just
ships all over it like yeah, they needed to be somebody other than Berna
needed to win this episode. Yeah, and somebody other than Michelle needed be
purged. And this would have Yes, this, this could have ended this
season on a really good high note. It really would I really, I
think so too. Got all fucked up though what could have been? What
could have been? We weren't close, so I always saw was the idea.
No part of the execution worked out at all, but it would have
been so close, so close, Try again and try it again. Yep,
we're on to the challenge. Oh right, not dom Yeah, I
don't know what is? There we go? I got it all right.
This challenge is called drum Roll. The game is heights above Water. I
just happened to see that as I was clicking the other thing, and then
it just lined up, and so there we go. So it's height above
water. Everybody is standing on top of a big, giant spinning drum.
They only have a vertical rope for each person to hold on to, and
once the horn blows, they're going to pull the pin and that drum is
going to start spinning. The first five people to fall off are in the
loser's bracket and the last the remaining five are in the winner's bracket, and
then those two sets will compete, and longest person standing in the Winter's bracket
wins. First person down in the loser's bracket goes home. Why did they
do it like this? Why didn't they just do first person falls, goes
home, last person remaining wins. Why'd they do the heats thing because first
person falling, I feel like that would I mean it'd be almost immediate.
Yeah, but then Olivia would have gone right home. Yeah, I think
that's I agree. I think that's why, because otherwise this is a three
minute challenge and they needed to make it longer. I think they just wanted
to, you know, extend the game by a little bit. Yeah,
it doesn't make any sense to do it that way, though, I mean
it gives it. No, it doesn't, but at the same time,
it gives everybody. It makes it more interesting in the like the people who
fell were Olivia, Michelle, Colleen, Mariah, and then Emmanuel. So
it makes it a little bit more interesting because you could potentially get some really
big players in that loser's bracket, and which they did, like Emmanuel,
Brian and Michelle are all in that loser's bracket. Yeah. I saw some
speculating online about that this challenge is actually catered towards the men. I'm not
sure that, do you really? Okay? Why because men like just hands
down. Men to tend to have much better upper body strength than women do.
And you think this is a more upper body strength than balance competition.
Yes, I mean the number of times that people lost their footing and we're
just holding on to that rope. Yeah, it happened all of them,
Almost all of them did it at least once. But counter point, Berna
did this all by balance, and she wondered. But Berna is also a
circus. She's a Carnie, right, So but I think that's the point.
This is a balanced competition that you could lean on your upper body strength
if you needed to. Yeah, I just don't think that most people that
you have to find that sweet spot to get the balance. So, I
mean, I agree it is a balance competition, but I think it's more
an upper body thing because most people are not going to have the balance yep.
Yeah. And I guess if you put a man versus a woman and
they're both using their for body strength to hold themselves up not out ten times,
yeah, it's probably the man that's gonna win that one. Yep.
Yeah. Because I mean when we had those first four, I mean it
was one after another, and as soon had the we had the initiation of
hey, we could do an all girls final, and then you have four
women immediately fall off like yeah, I know it, I know it's too
bad. And one woman that does well is Berna, the one that that
wouldn't go along with the plan. Yeah, perfect storm of we're not getting
what we want. Yep. Yeah, I mean winner's bracket. You get
Jay and Corey Luke keep losing their footing, they fall off pretty quickly.
Ultimately it comes down to James versus Burna, which I did not expect James
to be as good at this as he seemed to be. I didn't either,
especially with his busted up hand. I thought that would really yeah,
but ultimately Burna wins. Yeah. Looks like effortlessly too. I mean every
time it showed her was she lost her footing once, but she picked it
back up almost immediately. Yeah. Yeah, every time it showed her,
she just looked good. She just looked confident up there and good. Yep.
Yeah. Loser's bracket. It starts and Michelle loses her footing almost immediately,
and she's just swinging there, and then you see Mariah lose hers.
Mariah takes a few seconds, but she gets her footing back and Michelle's just
just hanging, hanging, hanging, hanging. Jay is freaking out on the
sidelines. Her strategy is really just to wait for somebody else to fall,
right. She's not trying to get back up or anything. She didn't look
like she even tried to run. She didn't look like she was trying to
keep her balance. She just lost it almost immediately. Yeah, and then
she drops and Mariah starts crying, and Jay's on the sidelines looking just distraught,
like, so, I know, I finally you don't love Michelle either,
and I don't either, but it's it's hard to see her go out
like this, right, No, no, not for you, this for
me a little bit. She's had a rough season. Rough season, that's
all I meant to say. She said, like she's she's dominated politically,
and she's really pulled. She's pulled a lot of strings and done really well,
and for her to lose like this is it just feels pathetic. It's
been mentioned a few different times. She seems to be pretty good at the
political side of things, she is not good at the competition side. I
know, I had absolutely no problem with her going home this way, Like
the shit that she and Jay have pulled throughout this entire season. I'm over
it. Yeah, her saying that she's Queen Bee, I'm over it,
like fucking go home. So happy that she left? Yep, zach says
is joyous to see her go out this way. Yeah, I don't.
I'm not mad that she went home. I just wish that she would have
been out played or something, or you know what I mean, Like,
I don't know. This just felt like a little bit of ant could have
been better. Yeah, we learned and Challenge Mania this past Marae went into
a last episode, Olivia freaked out, what are you reading? Uh?
Zachie put up something earlier, saying, so we learned on Challenge Mania this
past weekend that once Nourice went into the last went in last episode, Olivia
freaked out and asked TJ to let her take Maurice's spot in. TJS said
no, I remember. Yeah, I feel like that's a I mean,
good for her for at least attempting, but at the same time, like,
girl, you fucked up already, Like yeah, yeah, yep,
I agree. Yeah. It was the Yeah, the second Mariah's name came
out of her mouth, that was that was done. It's it's just done.
Yep. Yeah. When we don't have other people here to read all
of these things, it's hard to keep up. The edit for her made
Michelle look better the last few episodes. I think that's probably true too.
I softened on Michelle little bit these last few episodes. I did not soften
on Michelle those last few episodes. I just got more pissed off at Jay
the last I agree the edit made her look slightly better, but it's only
because it really showed how much of a gas lighter the Jay is. Yeah,
I think they just they highlighted the fact that he was such an asshole
and she pales in comparison to his asshole. Yeah, Michelle released Now that
we know that Michelle's gone, she released like a like a live or a
on Instagram or something where she just sort of like talked in the camera a
little bit about her experience. She said something like, you know, between
USA two and then thirty nine, she spent like ten months in a row.
It was all about the challenge. It was she was in the house,
she was competing, she was you know, then she was on the
show for ten months straight, and how hard that is like, mentally,
that's taxing, and I'm just over here like, yeah, that's been us
for like seven years with the Challenge. Well yeah, and on top of
that, I feel like we already knew that. Yes, that's incredibly taxing.
Like that's why people like Camilla fucking lost her shit because she did like
three years in a row without any breaks. Yeah, it really should.
You should be able to do two seasons and then you got to take a
season break. Yeah, that's I mean, it seems to be one of
the reasons why Johnny Bananas has taken a few few seasons off. It's why
Kara has taken seasons off, It's why Laurel, Like this is something that's
known, like if you do, if you do this show. It's so
constant with all of the different types of shows that they have, especially nowadays.
Yeah, since since Invasion of the Champs, it's been one after another
after another after another. Yeah, it's crazy. So I have no sympathy
for her. I don't she needs some time off, she needs a skip,
she needs a skip one. Yeah, Like if you you're the amount
of money that they are making on these shows, no sympathy, yeah,
none. You get to go play a game as your job. It is.
It's kind of too bad as we go into season forty because I think
there's gonna be a lot of people on that season that should take a break
in art because it's season forty. You know, I really hope it's a
lot of people that we haven't seen in a little while. I hope so
too, But I don't think. I know. I don't have much faith
in MTV to give us what we want. Well, I mean, if
it's going to be the final season, I really hope that they give us
at least some of what we want. But yeah, we'll see, We'll
see Lando give us land Yeah, it's not gonna happen. But you know,
he's never coming back. It truly is never coming Zach. Zach will
keep saying it, but Landon is never coming back. But it'd be cool
though, right, Oh, David be fucking great if he came back to
All Stars. I don't want to see him on the show. Yeah it
is, I don't. I don't want to see him. It's I wouldn't.
All Rant like four weeks ago with Durrell and Landon falls into that same
category. I love them, I don't want to see them fuck it up.
I don't want to see him on the main show. I want to
see him at All Stars that would be great, but I don't want to
see him on the main show. Yeah, Chris says, I don't.
I don't want the champ from this season to be on forty unless it's Naricese.
Yeah. I agree with that. This I've I've ranted about this too,
but the way MTV did this whole fucking thing makes no sense to me
because they clearly need more champs, right, and I think that's why they
do this because the men champs they have, it's like the same fucking ones.
Every time they need to get they need to shake it up. They
getting to get new champs, So they make a show with no champs and
then they only crown one of them a champ. Yeah. It seems like
something that they should have at least done a guy girl champ. Yeah,
but like, at minimum they should have done that. They should have maybe
even doing yeah, maybe even doing teams where you'd get like four people.
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, two men, two women,
let's get some if we're going to get a new challenge or a new champ.
Let's get a bunch of them. It seems pointless to do this huge
season and forget one champ just to get it one one champ that's only winning
three hundred and sixty dollars. Yeah, it just gets weirder. We're backtracking
on the amount of money that they're making less now than than they have in
the years. I get that game, Yeah, a long one. Yeah,
well it's very bizarre. So let's see we are Where are we in
my notes? Weird there? Uh, we're back at the house after Michelle
goes home and Olivia sits down with Berna and Colleen and it's kind of like,
Okay, I know that Michelle isn't here and that she was your girl,
but Lurise and I and her were talking about this. We could make
this an all women's final. That you have the ability you a woman,
have won this this challenge. We could make this an all women's final.
We could pick all five remaining women first and then one guy, two guys,
and you know, send the other three into this elimination. We have
the chance here. And Berna's immediate reaction was like, m I don't know
if I want to do that, Like I need to stay true to the
people who have had my back, which I can understand to an extent,
but they this is this is where it really shows that these people have never
watched this show before. Because me, when I heard that, I was
like, this is great. I don't care if I'm not on your team.
This has never happened before. Now stipulation saying that you can't do it.
Yeah, it would be so fucking cool. Yeah, not just so
fucking cool, but fucking smart for Berna. Yeah, to get out a
couple of men. You're competing in this final against men, like, get
them out. She is much more likely to win against a bunch of women
than she is against a dude. Yep. And you know, I know
I've said it on this show a bunch of times too, but generally speaking,
these alliances they fall apart when you get into the final. And this
is the challenge right before the final. This is the time. I really
don't think anybody Maybe Jay might be pissed off, but I think most every
player would be like I get it, Like, yeah, well, this
is one of the the This is the thing where when Sarah told said that
she's picking Johnny and Nanny to go into that final elimination. This is why,
like you want, I don't. I will never understand why people in
this game say that they want to compete in the final against the best players.
No one wants to go against the best players. No, but everyone
wants to say that because it makes you sound like a badass. Yeah,
nobody, this is the time. If you have that chance, fucking take
it and run. Do what Sarah did. Give them a chance to potentially
come back. They get them the fuck out of his house. Set yourself
up for a better final. How do these people not understand this? Oh
wait, they've never watched the show, right, Yeah, I really don't
think And really, Berna could have just picked like, like there was a
hybrid in there right where she could have picked a woman that she was aligned
with as to not betray her alliance, and then that woman can kind of
do whatever she wants and Berna can sort of claim innocence. You know,
she pulled a j but like she could have picked Colleen, and Colleen could
have picked Olivia, and Olivia could have picked Nurse, and Maurice could have
picked more and then Mariah would have picked James, and then you would have
had the other three guys go into the elimination. If you would have had
Jay, Corey, and Emmanuel, that gets out at least two at least
one really good player, because Corey is not the greatest, but at least
one really good player and potentially two really good players, and those are probably
the three favorites to win this thing. Yeah, oh yeah. If you
got a shot to get out two of them right before the final, you
just take that shot. He just it baffles me that this shit didn't like.
I get that you want to be true to your alliance and stick with
the people that have had your back for the last little bit, but they
Girl, this is a fucking game that you're trying to win a bunch of
money in. Yep, play a little smarter, yep. Chris says,
if Michelle was still there, I think Burno would have picked her up.
I think so too. I think I think Michelle could have convinced Berna to
do this. I agree. I think if Michelle were still there, Burno
would have picked Michelle, and then Michelle could have I think they could have
convinced I. I you know, the alliance between Colleen and Corey seems to
be pretty heavy. So I think it would have been if Michelle had stayed
and one of the guys or someone else had gone home, it would have
been Berna Michelle. Michelle would have picked either Nouris or Olivia. One of
the two of them would pick the other. Then they would have picked Mariah.
Mariah would have picked James, and then James could pick Colleen because then
Colleen wouldn't be able to pick Cory. Yeah. I think that they probably
they could have done that if Michelle had stayed. I think she probably could
have convinced everybody to do that. Yep, this is just the perfect storm
of bullshit. We got a bad winner and the loser that could have navigated
it went home. Yeah, so close, so cool, It could have
been so cooluck man. We have literally there has never never in the twenty
plus year history of this game, has there ever been a time when they
could have been an all female final. Yeah, and for years we had
the guys just shitting I mean it's always been this way, but there were
many years in there where the guys just shit all over the women and it
was get every single one of them out as quickly as you possibly can to
have this potentially be an all female final would be such a like rubbing their
nose in it type of thing. Yeah, it would have been great.
I know, it's too bad. It's like stupid fucking Burner. Stupid Burner,
Stupid Michelle too, Yeah, stupid Michelle. She'd all they had to
do. All they had to do is make sure like Corey got last off
the drum thing and then somebody other than burn On one, a woman other
than burn On one, and this this could have been an all all women
final. Yeah, so close, so close, but so far away.
Oh well, well, we've got a very cute little scene between James and
Mariah, which I didn't This is where James's hand is completely wrapped up,
which I didn't realize it was. I didn't realize quite how badly he wrote
burned the ship out of his hand. Hey, is is Mariah's butt fake?
Is that a fake butt? I mean, I wouldn't I h No,
she doesn't look like she's had a abl BBL resilient butt lifts. I
know, I know that she looks like she's she looks like she's got a
toned ass. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't have the Kardashian shelf. Yeah,
I kind of Okay, uh no, she does look like hers is
a bit more on the natural side. Okay, goodness, it's the only
thing. The only thing I heard is natural. Oh man, Yeah,
Olivia's lips this episode, we're distracting. I know he had joker. Maria's
ass is a fucking masterpiece. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
If I had a body like Mariah's, I would wear as much clothing
as she does too. Yeah, I would never be in like full length
anything. Yeah, why why? Yeah, why would you? I mean,
good honor, She's got a great body. Good for her. Most
of the women in that house have great bodies. Nourice this episode, there
were a few times, I mean, that woman has has beautiful dark skin,
but there were a few times when she was wearing that white shirt,
was like, goddamn, you've gotten so tan, Like you're fucking gorgeous.
This is great, look at you. Nourice is one she smiles with her
eyes. I'm a big fan of yep, when the when their eyes just
turned into like little half rings or whatever. Car Maria is that way too,
Yes, yes she is, ye, No, almost all the women
in this house have stellar bodies. Yeah, that's the money I would give,
Well, you could actually give a bunch of money and get that body
that's like attainable. This is true the running joke in the you know,
Internet universes, you're not ugly, you're just poor, because if you look
at the pictures of like the Kardashians from many years ago, it's very obvious,
like, no, none of us are ugly, we're all just poor.
Yeah, because they look like completely different people than from who they looked
like ten years ago. But they just look like generic plastic people. Like
all this plastic surgery just makes everybody look the same. I don't know,
because everybody's trying to look like for them. Yeah, I'm just not into
it. I just don't. I would just give me a slightly ugly normal
person than a beautiful plastic person every time. Yeah, give me a real
body any day. Oh yeah. But yeah, So they're they're sitting there
talking on the on the chairs and he's pretty convinced that he's going to be
going into the elimination, which I completely agree. The fact that he has
lasted this long baffles me. Yeah, absolutely bad. Like this is where
the whole thing with Jay saying to Nourice over the last this episode, last
episode, all of it, like you know, you haven't you haven't been
with me, you haven't helped my game, anything like that. She should
have thrown it in his face of what do you mean I haven't helped your
game? Like you haven't helped mine. You have kept someone who was from
a completely different alliance around, but I keep getting getting thrown to the wolves.
Yeah. I think that that would have been a more honest thing to
say, too, because she went on the thing of like I have always
supported you, and I don't know. That argument did kind of fall flat
because it showed the flashback that Joeji was lying about what she said about Jay.
And that's the thing though, like I don't know that she was not
She wasn't necessarily lying. I don't. I don't qualify it necessarily as lying,
but she didn't trust Jay, and I agree with that. Yeah,
But I mean Jay's point is like, you weren't playing my game, you
weren't saying loyal, you weren't doing the things for me, and he's right
game, No, I know, but he's not wrong. And I just
wish Narsa's comeback wasn't to say you're wrong and the comeback was like you didn't
do anything for me either, Like we both didn't do anything for each other
because they didn't. I mean, if you really think about it, neither
did anything for the other one. And they're both claiming they both did,
and they both look sort of like stupid about it. And I mean,
I know Theresa is getting the superhero edit here, but like she looks sort
of stupid here, doesn't she when she's arguing with Jay, like she's also
lying and and claiming that she did stuff that she didn't. And I don't
know. This was during this part, I was just like, Nuri's just
shut your mouth because like I'm on your side until now. Yeah, you
know morons. Yeah, nope, I agree. The thing that I found
really interesting about this episode is there are multiple people. Mariah's the first one.
She and James the first two to say that they're not going to even
attempt to politic for themselves, Like I haven't talked to you before this,
Why would I talk to you now? Yeah, that's that's part of the
game. It's very weird. James has said this before. I think he
just doesn't know how to politic, or maybe it thinks he makes him look
like a badass to say he won't do it or something. M hmm.
But then yeah, then you're then you're gonna not win the game, James.
Yeah, yeah. Politic. Yeah, there's no way for you to
win if you don't know how to how to politic and play the game.
Yeah. Mariah says that she thinks that James is elevating her game, right,
I noticed that too. Why did you say that? I don't know.
She just thinks he's cute. She likes his boner, like, I
don't know it. The moment that came out of her mouth is a cute.
You do realize that you're the only reason he's still around. He's not
elevating your game. They multiple times, it has been talked about throwing you
in because you were allied with someone from the other Yeah, like you almost
got thrown in like two or three times at the very beginning of this season
because of your affiliation with him. How is he elevating your game in any
way? Yeah? Yes, how has he elevated anything? Like he's he's
just sort of an oaf. He's not He's just an oaf. He's not
performed particularly well. He doesn't seem all that smart. I don't know.
I just I don't know what she sees in him. I don't either.
It doesn't make any sense to me. Whatever. Uh, we get and
now where it's instead of uh, club night, we're at pool party night.
Oh yeah, this is weird, right, Yeah, they had drinks
by the pool. Yeah, kindetime, it's a little weird. Maybe they're
just trying to switch it up like we had both day the other day and
now this rather than doing club night every single time. I guess, And
I guess we used to get the parties at the house. Yeah, I
don't know. This just felt weird up. So we get Jay talking to
Olivia and he tells her that he no longer has any power, which is
kind of true but also kind of not. Yeah, well he's doing the
like the mob boss thing. Yeah, talking out of both say it's like,
I don't have any power, but what do you want? Like m
hmm is this whole thing was like what what is going on? What are
they even talking about? Yeah? Yeah, it was strange. Oliva mentions
that Jay and Maurice came in as each other's number ones. Yeah did they
really? Like did I just completely miss that? At the beginning of the
season. Well, it said that Jay and Maurice have been friends like for
years outside of the show. Yeah, he and Michelle came in as each
other's number ones. That's this number ones thing is fucking stupid because everybody has
multiple number ones and it just all gets lost and there. Maybe maybe Michelle
was his number one and Maurice was his numero uno. Maybe that's it.
Yeah, we'll call it that. This has annoyed me, and this this
terminology is only getting worse by the way this number one is spreading. I've
been talking about it for years, but now everybody does it. Huh.
It's just number one just means somebody I'm working with. Yes, And it's
stupid. It's so stupid. I hate it, so dumb. Yeah,
they should not be allowed to use They just shouldn't be allowed to use this.
Yeah, and they're sort of like, it's like inconceivable. In the
Princess Bride, I don't think that it means that what you think it means.
Yeah, Yeah, because they like say it and they sort of like
they're sort of self aware about it. Sometimes they're like, oh, he's
my other number one, other number one, What are you talking about these
guys are idiots. Yeah, like unless there are three winners, there's no
way to have three number ones. No, it's not a thing. No,
stupid. Yeah, it was very strange. Uh. This is where
we learn that Corey and Colleen have a pretty they they have a pretty deep
alliance, and that they think that they now have a legit chance because Michelle
is gone. Yeah. I don't know what Corey was talking about this.
What does he mean a legit chance? It doesn't affect anything Michelle being gone
with those two anyway. Yeah, I mean the U two are still at
the bottom of most of the alliance. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure
what Corey was talking about her. I don't know either. M Corey does
mention that they need to make sure that Jay does not get picked early on
in the game, because if he gets picked early on in the in nominations,
he will pick Nourice, And as at that point in time, he
would pick Nourice, and there's a much higher chance that Corey and Colleen would
go in last or would go into elimination because they're thinking that it would be
Barna would pick em Manuel, Emmanuel would pick Jay, Ja would pick nourice,
and that just knocks the two of them out entirely, because every James's
name doesn't even come up in any of these conversations because everybody just immediately assumes
he's going to be at the bottom yep, and there are right yep,
yep James. Yep. I just I found that really entertaining, Like every
time any sort of list of people got mentioned, Yeah, nowhere on it
was James's name, noe good ridding. It's it's time for him. Yeah,
yep, I agree with that. Oh this is Berna then pulls Jay
aside when they you know, they get back to the house. I mean,
they're already at the house, but it's no longer pool party. It's
now just all of them hanging out. Uh. Berna sits down with Jay
and Emmanuel and drops the bomb that Michelle wanted to have an all girls final,
Like what are you doing? I hate women who do this shit like
you are fucking girl power? Like what is wrong with you? Yeah?
What was her motive for telling on Michelle like this? Well? Was she
trying to, I don't know ingratiate herself with the guys. I have no
fucking clue. Yeah, it just feels weird because this, like Berna has
said, this is probably the last Challenge before the final, Like, why
does Berna care about making friends or anything. The Final, as far as
she knows, is the next day, and now it's like a foot race
to win this thing. Yeah, they can make the enemies you want as
long as it puts you in a better position to win, you know.
Yeah. It just it's like I said earlier, it makes no sense to
me because she would have such a much better chance of winning if the guys
weren't in the final. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard and like the Challenge
fandom, some of these players play not for this season, but for their
career on the Challenge. Yeah, and so maybe that's what she's doing,
is she feels like she's connected to some powerful players. She's not going to
burn those bridges. She's hoping for a callback. But maybe maybe are Jay
and Emmanuel and Michelle actually powerful players? Like I think they they're powerful players
this season, right, but overall, if they get mixed back in with
the Vets, are they actually powerful players? No? But I don't think
Berna knows that true, But I mean it just yeah, true. We
have talked about it a few different times that a lot of players do play
for the season after season right relationships versus the single season. Yeah, they'd
rather be a return character than a winner, which is I get that.
You know, there's a lot of players that that's all they can do.
Yeah, that's fine, they can just do that. I mean, she's
proving to us that she is one of those players that that's all that she
can do is be a return character. She's never gonna win, right,
a return character. Yeah, just so frustrating, so frustrating. Oh.
Burna also says that she wants to put Jay last because she wants him,
and she tells him this, She is, I want to put you last.
So then you have to pick between Nourice, Olivia or Mariah, and
you have to pick someone from your like you have to choose from your alliance,
all of the women that were on your alliance. You have to do
that, right, And she ultimately wants him to pick Mariah and make Maurice
go in, and he wants to pick Nourice and they have a whole tiff
about it because Nourice has never been nice to me, Like has Mariah ever
said two words to you? This show is so junior high. Have we
ever had a season that has this many references to like, I'm not going
to be friends with this person after this is over? And no, I
don't think we have It's all just weird friend stuff, right. I really
do feel like it's because we have no vets. It totally is. Yes,
Vet's know how to have drama. That's fun. Yeah, drum is
just annoying. Yeah, like, oh no, Nourise is not gonna be
friends with Jay anymore. Like fucking I don't give a shit, who cares?
Yeah, just ridiculous. But yeah, Berna tries to really she she's
really campaigning for Jay to not pick Nourice, and she ultimately ends up going
to Colleen, and Colleen tells Jay that this is where we get the flashback
that Nourise a few episodes when Jay was potentially up for elimination that Nourice was
voted, was trying to get Colleen to vote for j And I mean,
you see in the flashback that Nourice tells Colleen it's because she doesn't think she
doesn't trust Jay anymore because of some of the moves that he's pulled. And
you can see the switch in Jay's mind just flip like, oh, this
is this is the reason I finally have a reason to not vote her.
I don't have to pretend like I need to not vote her. Yep.
I think that's exactly what it was. He was looking for a way that
he could do this and not the moments that it was given to him,
he's like done, cool, no problem, I got it. I think
that's what he did last week too. That was his whole thing about like
I don't have power, I only have my one vote. I didn't make
the decision. It's his way of sort of distancing himself from it. Yeah,
it's trying. He's trying to make himself look like the okay guy.
Yeah, which is weird because the season is painting him as the villain,
and he would be a much better villain if he just leaned into that and
just you know, just like, oh I want to I got Nourice out
because she was a threat, or you know, just just say it like,
yeah, be the bad guy. We hate you anyway, just being
the self aware, fun one instead of the asshole one. Yeah. Zach
has mentioned it a few times on the show, but he thinks that there's
a very good chance that Jay is going to come out of this season thinking,
or that he did come out of this season thinking that he was in
the right the whole time, that it he was never this was never a
problem, that he was always the correct one, that all of these things
really were not his fault. I would really love to see how he feels
about it now. Yeah, I haven't seen anything that he's posted on social
media, but thereby most of the fandom is reacting the way that we are
about Jay. He is not. He's not like Caslating is on a whole
other level. Yeah, and it's weird. Most people liked Jay before this
season, I think, yeah, because he was kind of the scrappy underdog.
He got thrown in a ton of times. His first season, he
got thrown in against Rogan, and Rogan just fucking annihilated him, gave him
a concussion in that elimination. Like, yeah, he was we were all
kind of rooting for him. Yeah, this season, he's just he's high
on his own supply. Like you said earlier, Yeah, it's not fun.
I'm convinced that it's because there's there's no a there's no there's no a
cast on this season. And so the beat caask got elevated to the A
cast. But yeah, Jay works better as the scrappy underdog side character.
We like him as that, we do not like him as running around on
this season. Every single person on this season is a beat character. Yeah.
Yeah, and when beat characters are featured, they're not as cool.
It's Hirasio is interesting when he's like the boy scout when everybody else is acting
like an asshole, But when he's like the main guy and he's the boy
scout, it's boring. Yeah, and yeah it's I don't know, it's
yeah. The only two that have kind of proved themselves is potentially being A
characters are Kyland and Nourice. Yeah. Kyland, Yes, I started liking
Kyland on his very last episode three seasons, but I figured it out.
Yep, he has fine, he's kinda he's he has gotten to a point
where he could potentially be an A character. Yeah, I think so too.
Surprisingly, Yeah, and Maurice is getting herself up there too. She's
get everybody else on this Yeah, one more good showing and then maybe she
could. Yeah. But yeah, so far yeah, yeah, so then
this is this is Colleen tells Jay that, and Jay's kind of realizing that.
He's like, Oh, I now realize that Nourice hasn't played my game
or helped me, so why should I save her? I? I really
I This is where I immediately thought, like, Okay, so she hasn't
helped you, but you also haven't helped her in literally weeks, you have
purposely and actively voted against her. Yep. He's just hoping nobody notices that.
I think that's what his deal is. Yep. Yeah. And then
we get Jay talking to Nourise and he tells her I'm not going to say
your name, and she's just kind of like, excuse me, what what
do you mean You're not gonna say my name? Like you were literally bawling
last episode because I got put in? What do you mean You're not going
to say my name? Yeah? And yeah, he tells her the whole
thing with Colleen. Then we get another flashback of Colleen being the mastermind behind
this whole putting Jay in. Yeah, which this is the thing where like
someone mentions like, oh, Colleen has finally become the mole. Colleen.
You had you had so many opportunities this season to truly be the mole and
like, really cause some issues and have it work to your benefit, and
you haven't used any of them. This is not you being the mole.
This is just you being sloppy and awful. There's so many examples of sloppy
and awful gameplay in this season, and it's because they're all fucking amateur.
It's amateur hour over here. But yeah, it seems like every episode we're
questioning the motives of people. And yeah, Colleen sat there and did nothing
for like eleven weeks straight when she would have been shaken up and fighting for
herself, and she just did nothing. And now it's too late, like
the finals here, it's you know, yeah, I think she actually at
one point in time, I don't know if I wrote it down. I
think she's actually the one who said that, you know, I was waiting
for a time to really turn things on their head and I didn't have to.
The house is just doing it for me. What do you mean you
were waiting on a time? Like the final is literally the next episode,
Like yeah, yeah, she missed every every chance that she had. Yeah,
no, that's that's not how this works. Yeah, I mean we
yeah, we hear it all the time, like people played a scared game
or whatever. This is the this season is the perfect example of every single
fucking person playing a scared game. Every Kylon's the only one who hasn't played
a scared game. Yeah, and it was because he was he was at
least smart enough to know, like, I'm on the bottom. I gotta
fucking do something, and everybody else is like, I'm on the bottom.
I'm just gonna ride it out here to see how long I can make it.
Yeah, it's I don't know, I don't I just don't get these
people. Oh yeah, I mean this is this is why. This season
is the perfect example of why the Vets every single season try to get the
rookies out first, because otherwise we end up with shitley this yeah may oh
just ridiculous. So we're on denominations, Oh uh, nominations. I'll get
it, I'll get it. There we go. It took me a minute,
Yeah, I got there. So we'd kind of jumped straight into it,
and it's Berna starts it off and she initially says Corey. But when
she said Corey, I thought she said Colleen. Me too, me too.
She said it in a really kind of a weird way it sounded like
Colleen. And then they panned to a clip of her and Colleen and Corey
and then she and in that clip, it's her saying, Okay, but
if I pick you, you have to pick Colleen, and they do a
pinky promise. I'm kind of looking at it like, wait a second,
but she just picked Colleen, and then it pans to them on the couch
and Corey's sitting there. Yeah wait what Yeah, it was weird. Yeah,
she said in a really weird way, yeah, about the same thing.
So it made I don't it was it was. It was odd.
I don't even Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but I mean,
good for them, I guess. But like there, I don't think they're
gonna win the final either, you know what I mean. I think this
was more just was happy to give them this these spots. Yeah, this
is the bottom players. Yeah, like trying to save themselves for another week,
but they're never gonna win. So Berna picks Corey, Corey picks Colleen,
Colleen picks e Manuel, Emmanuel picks j and Ja sits there and says,
well, he says some ship along the lines of like, you know,
people, I thought I was playing with weren't actually playing with me and
other people I just met this episode or this season ended up playing with me
and being more loyal, and he picks Mariah and TJ fucking TJ calls him
out like, yeah, what I think TJ really likes Nurice. I think
he does too, Like here's this episode especially, it really showed Yeah,
but TJ also doesn't like when people are assholes like this, like when they
backstab their friends. Yeah. And by the way, we can't gloss over
Emmanuel's little speech where he's just blowing Jay, like what the fuck? What's
everybody doing? What is everybody worshiping Jay like this? No, because he's
a big man on campus this season, But the moment he gets into the
ring, the moment he gets into a season with all the vets, he's
screwed. Oh yeah, absolutely fucking screwed. Yeah, especially with the season
of gone to his head. Yes, they'll they'll eat him up. Yeah.
Yeah, he's done okay politically, but it's because everybody else sucks more
than him, not because he's particularly good at it. Yeah. Well,
and it's also because he had Michelle with him most of the game. He
did most of the politicking, and it was just in the last few episodes
that he's kind of been more on top and it's just because of the way
things have shuck out. Yeah. Yeah, So TJ calls him out for
his bullshit. Uh, and then Maurice immediately jumps in and tells TJ that
he's upset that Jay is upset and didn't pick her because she wasn't kissing his
ass the whole time, right, And of course you know, Emmanuel and
Jay all have shit to say about it. But yeah, James is up
there and you get his little talking head saying that he's pissed that there are
people sitting on the couch that haven't gone into elimination. It's the game,
James, and I just my my only response to it is, dude,
you are only there because you've been fucking one of the girls on the main
alliance only reason. Yep. You should have gone home literally weeks ago,
only reason. Yep, he sucks. Yep. We got back to the
house and Mariah is packing for James. Yeah that's weird, barf. Yeah,
absolutely, I'm making him a drink or something. She said that,
Yeah, grown ass man, let him pack his own ship. Yeah,
not Okay, I agree, not a good dynamic. No, you wouldn't
pack. I mean he's already he's so whipped by her, but yet she's
packing a ship Like, no, pack your own ship. I will sit
there and keep company. I might help fold some clothes, but you're gonna
pack your own ship. I'm not doing that for you. Yeah. Oh,
and then this we get another talking head from James, and James says
that he hasn't snaked anyone or backstabbed anyone. Am I I'm like, does
does this entire fucking house have amnesia? You see, literally two episodes ago
stabbed Zara in the back only alliance, Like, I forgot about that.
What are you talking about? I forgot about that. He's making on people
like me that won't just won't put it together. When he said that,
oh god, and honestly didn't register. My thought was like, well,
he hasn't had power to snake anybody, or he's just been drug along.
He does not any power and picked someone else, Like, oh my goodness,
I know. It's so this this season is frustrating for that, Like
we just like criticizing the gameplay of these amateurs, you know, yeah,
yeah, pathetic yep, and we go to the elimination. Oh, sorry,
I'm gonna get there. There we go. Yeah, that is a
perfect sounder for this episode. If you could do better, Carl, and
you can. You can manage the soundboard. How about that? Nope,
I don't want Okay, it's more fun to laugh at you guys. But
that is the perfect sounder for this specific episode. Yeah, his payback is
a bitch. This kind of worked out, Yeah poetically, didn't It really
did. God, it was so perfect. So TJ announces an elimination one.
Nourice is super excited because she's the only one who's seen this, which
I agree with her. That's that is a stellar position to be in.
Yeh. TJ tells them that only one person will go home or go back
to the house. Two people are going home. Yep. It's the same
obstacle course puzzle set up that we've had the last two episodes. First puzzle
is there are like, I don't know, twenty or thirty on off switches
on a board and they have to replicate the key that they can only see
through a tiny little hole in the bottom of the board. Replicate that key
with the on off switches on the board. The second puzzle is a slider
puzzle where they had to put a square that is outside of four L pieces
that form a larger square inside those L pieces, but they can only slide
them around. And then puzzle three is you have to get into a barrel
full of ice water and pull out a bunch of numbered tiles and put the
next to the eliminated players in the correct order. M. Like I said,
Narise is just pumped. She's super excited for this. She's like,
I'm I've got this. I'm gonna fucking win. M and I did you
when they did their little like right before the elimination actually happened, all their
little confessional things standing outside, Nourie is already super pumped. Mm hmm.
That immediately made me think, like, okay, well, Nourise wins because
she's super excited about this. Because immediately after that you get James and he's
kind of like he's trying to talk himself up, but you can kind of
tell he has this like defeated look about him. So you think they recorded
that after the yeah thing? Yeah I do. Yeah, you got you
got looped into the same thing I get looped into sometimes where it's like you
try to interpret what's going on in the confessionals and cut scenes and stuff and
guess, guess how it's gonna work out. I didn't notice that, though
I did find it kind of odd because Nourice and James both talk about how
they're like they're pumped and they're really excited about this game and they're totally gonna
win this, that and the other. And then Olivia her little thing was
she was talking about how she's really upset that she and thee are having to
go in here, but she's happy that they are in a better place in
their relationship and this, that and the other. And I think she said
something about Jay, like, so you don't care about the you're not pumped
about the elimination. You're you don't think you're gonna win the elimination you're about
to do. None of this has to do with the elimination you're about to
do. Yeah, we kind of glossed over it. But Olivia was also
like during the Jay and Nourice fight, Olivia was like super defending Nourice,
probably because she fucked Nouris over last week, but that also seemed very inauthentic
and weird. But I think Olivia just on this like, I gotta repair
my relationship with Nourice. Yeah, track, and that was even more important
to her than winning. So yeah, that's soon what she was talking about
there. Yep, I hope they're friends again. Oh my gosh, I'm
so worried about it. I don't care one way or that's what I mean,
same thing. Uh. They have to jump over those boxes again,
and James just flies through them. He doesn't fly through them quite as easily
as The Guy's last episode. Oh my god, that ship Kylon was unbelievable,
hurtling over all of them. It was crazy. I've never seen anything
like that. James. James is doing well, but that James is like
doing normal Guy. Well yeah, Kyland was another universe ye, whereas Narice
and Olivia are getting to the top and like rolling to the other side and
then jumping on the next one and rolling over. Yeah. But so Jay
gets over to James gets gets to the box with the switches first, and
he gets through that pretty quickly. Spider, Oh, step on, spider.
What kind of spider is it? You don't know? Wolf Spider,
Wolf Spider. Those are big spiders. Yeah, but it came down like
literally, like right next to the all of a sudden. Are you scared
of anything? You're scared of snakes? No, I don't like when they
like all of a sudden pop out. Yeah, but you just like you
handled that super coolly. Oh that's very composed. Wolf would have been freaking
out. Yeah, I mean I'm hoping that he went all the way to
the floor. I don't really want him climbing on me right now. But
go a little bit of the heavy cheesesles. Wolf. Spiders those are harmless,
I know, But it's the it's the creepy crawliness of them, all
of a sudden out of the corner of your I cum a snake pit or
a or a spider pit. Which would you go in? Snakes? Really,
you think snake's on you is less creepy than a spider on you?
Yeah, I think i'd be snakes too. Yeah, because snakes, you
can at least like spiders, it's all of the little tiny like I guess
trainer warning, snakes are it's all the tiny little feet like it's only kind
of touching you right, whereas snakes that you can you've got a whole body,
you can hold. I don't know, No, I think I have
the same answer. Yeah, same reasons, yep, Like the challenge a
few seasons ago where I think it was during Bloodlines where one of them had
their head in the box and they had like, you know, milk not
milk snakes, I don't know, non poisonous snakes dumped in the box on
top of them, and some people were freaking like Tony's brother was freaking out,
like they're not gonna do anything to you, They're not poisonous, They're
just gonna hang out, Like, yeah, calm down, totally fine.
Are you like me, Carlin that your sort of logic brain overrides your your
fear brain. M hmm, yeah, I'm I'm the same way. That's
that would be exactly my thought, Like MTV wouldn't put a poisonous snake in
here, so I want to be fine, which is funny, like most
of the time it's logic brain will override fear brain. But I really hate
horror movies, like my imagination goes too wild with that kind of shit,
Like, yeah, I don't like the feeling of being scared, so I
have no problem not watching any of those movies. I love horror. Sorry,
super big side everyone, that's why people listen to challenge. Yeah,
this is true, that's all. Yeah. So James gets the He does
the switches first, and he moves through it pretty quickly. The girls both
go to the slider puzzle, which Nourice moves through pretty quickly. She's just
cruising through it. Olivia is completely stumped. She has no idea what she's
doing. She cannot figure it out. Yeah, so you get James and
Nourie going to their second one. James goes over to the slider puzzle and
he's like, oh shit is hard, Like he starts getting stumped. Yeah.
Nourise moves over to the switches, runs through that pretty quickly, and
then she moves on to the third one where she has to jump in the
byre of weis water, and the other two were still on the slider puzzle.
Yep. And when she reads the description saying that she has to put
the numbers in order next to the people in the order that they got eliminated,
she immediately she's got this big ass smile on her face, like,
I literally have this written down in my journal deck at the house. Yeah,
so we know if there was ever any doubt. I think that that
doubt has gone. Maurise is a killer at puzzles. She is a puzzle
master. She's really really good. We need to remember that for future reference.
Yeah, and I'm not trying to take anything away from these wins.
These are great wins. She knocked out a lot of really good players and
she won these things like really really well mhm. But really also she beat
people at slider puzzles and Tanner Gram's right, yeah, if you really want
to break it down, yep. I mean it's it's the same ship that
we've said this entire season. And all of these eliminations, they none of
them have been physical. None of them have been the eliminations that we expect
that we've seen in previous seasons, Like the elimination what when Jenny was still
was on the show where they had to go down that tower, that glass
tower, and look at the key on the bottom of the glass tower,
and then they had to climb their way back up the glass tower and do
the puzzle and then jump back down and all that. Like, even though
that wasn't a a head to head like physical thing, the amount of endurance
and strength that it would take to do that, and then on top of
that, you have to keep your your head in the game of a puzzle.
They I would have rather seen something like that than yeah this, I
mean, I get you. Yeah, I'm not turntain anything away from the
rees there. She's great and she deserves these wins and you know whatever,
But she's she keeps coming in and saying like, oh, look at all
these people I've knocked out. So I'm going to kill it in the final
And it's like, well, not necessarily, like you're gonna do well with
the puzzle parts, but there could be physical parts that we don't know how
well Theuris is going to do with that. I'm not even sure we know
endurance wise how well she's going to stack up. Yep, So we'll see.
I hope she does well. Yeah. So, I mean, if
anyone didn't didn't get that, Nourie wins, No, you're fine, Boiler,
Nuris wins, and the other two were still stuck on the on the
slider puzzle, like she hands down hands down one and TJ is psyched,
he's so happy for her. Ye. But it's also and again I'm repeating
the same ship, but it's a repeat of what happened with Tanagrams, where
the other two dudes were stuck at Tantagrams and Nurie just kind of blew it
out slider too. She was the only one that could finish the slider.
She was the only one to finish the Tanagrams. H you know, she
deserved to win, but it's not you know, yep, I don't know.
No, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, So the other
two go home, we get their little whatever confessionals don't care. I don't
care. But then we get a few minutes of back at the House.
Couldn't believe this. I kept waiting for the episode to end. We got
like like five minutes. Crazy. Yeah, I was really happy about that.
So it first, the first scene that you get back at the House
is Mariah holding a cup of tea or whatever, staring forlornly out the window
when it's raining, and she has just look on her face like I'm so
sad, I'm just so sad and waiting for him to come home. Oh.
I just hated that. I just hated that. I just hated it,
Like you know that the producers were like, stand there, look out
this way, be sad and like, really show that you're that you want
him to come back. Oh my gosh, it's such like the photogenic,
picture perfect moment. Her outfits perfect, and she's looking in the window that's
reflecting back her perfect image to her. Forget rid of this. Oh my
god, barf very stylized. Hated it, yep. And everybody's very dressed
up. Yeah why, I don't know. It looks like we go to
a party later, but everybody's very very dressed up in comparison to any other
time in this season. And then they see de Grease walking back up and
she walks in and you know, gets kind of congratulated by kind of gives
a half assed hug to and from Corey and someone else I can't remember who
the other person was is. She's walking back in the house and she basically
like within the first three or four seconds of her getting back, she's like,
yeah, you know what, I'm the only one. Ria is obviously
upset, and she's basically, yeah, fuck all of you, Fuck every
one of you. Don't care like you are all the reason I went in
here. I'm gonna make you eat your fucking words. Fuck all of you.
And I loved him, not nobody even pretended to be happy that Duris
was back. Yeah. But we then get a talking head from a Manuel
where he says that her rage this isn't rage, this is just she's upset
because you guys have sent her in the last two episodes. That her rage
is over the top and unnecessary. Yeah, dude, you have been a
fly on this fucking wall the entire goddamn season. Shut your face. Yeah,
I want to like you, Manuel, I want to. He seems
like a chill first season. Me too. He seems super chill and laid
back and stuff. Yeah, he seems like it could be fun. But
I think he's an asshole. I think he's a misogynist asshole. I just
I just think that's where he's at. Yep, too bad, I agree
with that. Yeah, it annoyed the fuck out of me when he said
that. Definite, dude, she's not raging, she's just upset because you
guys have tried to send her home the last two episodes. Yeah. Yeah,
Mariah's really upset that James has gone home. She calls him her BFF
and that there are two peas in a pod you too, haven't you two
been fucking for the last whole season. Yeah, this is all just so
weird. All of this is so weird. I just don't get this ship
at all. Yep, we get Jay yet again in a fucking talking head
trying to justify his decision of sending Nurise in not picking her. Even the
way he talks to confessionals bugs me because it's like he's talking from the position
that we agree with him. M And that drives me nuts too. Yeah,
he yet again says, you know, she didn't help me, she
didn't try to protect me. She's not she didn't play my game. I
just I don't I don't understand why he thinks that any of those things are
going to get anyone on his side. I don't know either. I don't
know either. I do wonder what he thinks as he watches this season.
Yeah, and here's what the fans think, am Yep. So then we
watch them, it kind of all fades out with them walking out of the
house and into some party that they're going to, probably in the club that's
in the basement, and then you see the back of TJ as he's walking
into the house, and you kind of hear it cuts out as you're hearing.
Oh, yep, so t J watching the bar apparently, what do
we think is this? Is this the final? Starting in their dress clothes
at the bar? I can see that. Does that mean we're gonna have
a three episode final? Do we have three episodes left? I don't know.
I heard this was a twenty two episode season. Yeah, on seventeen,
including two for the two for the reunion. Yeah, three episodes for
Oh god, I'm kind of thinking three final, two reunion. Yeah,
what we're going to get? I mean, yeah, that would be typical
because I don't know that they're going to have enough to do two final and
three reunion. Yeah. Well, if there's five more episodes, it's some
division like that. Typically we do not cover Final unless it ends, so
we'll have to see if we if we keep that pace this season, yep,
stay tuned. Yeah, and I maybe it could be maybe it'll be
the next the next episode will be that like kind of pre final, weeding
out one more set of players. Yeah, we'll have to see how it
goes. We find that talking about finals is boring because there's no we speculate
on politics and you know, the future and Final is all just like h
yeah, they ran there and then they hit a flag and then like fucking
whatever. So yeah, if it's just a part one, we might not
do an episode. We'll see play yep, so listeners stay tuned. Well
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about her not picking her. I didn't really look too far into it.
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podcast apparently and kind of made made some allusion, some inference that she and
Maurice were fine, and they were saying that it sounds like Olivia just maybe
a little naive and not actually picking up on the social cues of what was
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I don't trust her motives. I don't think she's stupid, and I
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