WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:47.240 The following present is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from 2 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:52.119 around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast. 3 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.920 I'm your host is always George Chobbs. I hope everybody is having a 4 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.920 great week. We have a special guest joining us from the great state of 5 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.239 Colorado in just a moment. Before we do just a couple of quick housekeeping 6 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.719 notes, please do stop by the website, the flat earthfiles dot com. 7 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.680 You can leave all of your questions, your thoughts. You know, what 8 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:17.040 are your thoughts on the Southern Cross or you know these type of questions, 9 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.239 and I think it's a great tool to use. 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I'm a little behind on emails, as 18 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:55.840 you guys know, I've been traveling in the last few days, but I 19 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.439 will get to them just as soon as I possibly can, and I appreciate 20 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.079 every email. God bless you all. So there we go. That is 21 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.319 our housekeeping for today. We have a great guest joining us. We've been 22 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.560 chatting for quite some time since the wintertime, and his name is Matt. 23 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:14.800 He's joining us from Colorado. I guess it's still morning there, Matt, 24 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.000 So good morning. How are you doing. I'm doing great, man, 25 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.800 It's pleasure to be here. And like George said, my name is Matthew, 26 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:29.680 I'm from Colorado. I'm a proud father, husband, kind of jack 27 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:34.000 of all trades, but you know, a musician as well. And yeah, 28 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.240 you know, I'm just really happy to be here. And I just 29 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.599 got to say to all the community and everybody within the sound of my voice, 30 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:44.479 I love you all as brothers and sisters. I pray for all of 31 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:49.000 you in my thoughts every day, and I'm just so glad that we're able 32 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:53.159 to be a part of this experience as the truth comes out and people become 33 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:58.599 awakened. It's really been a blessing. I'll tell you I on a sledgeer 34 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.680 sledter up here for a podcast that started as something I just kind of did 35 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.599 as an off note because people were such even within the truth community, as 36 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:12.919 I've mentioned before, how it was looked. I guess frowned upon would probably 37 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.319 be the best way to say it. What a great community it's turned out 38 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.639 to be. And there's obviously people well before us that have been part of 39 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.080 it, David Weiss all his hard work and others. But as we spoke 40 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:29.879 before the podcast, before we hit the record button, the community is growing 41 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.400 quickly. And whether or not that's people just the scales falling from their eyes 42 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.599 or they've heard so much and people are talking about it more openly there as 43 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.759 they say coming out of the closet, I think we're doing all of us. 44 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.639 And again this podcast is I'm just riding the horse. It's all the 45 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.080 people that have come on and shared their stories that has really impacted everyone. 46 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.800 And I know you've had quite a journey, and I guess the best way 47 00:03:54.840 --> 00:04:00.400 to start is just allowing you to kind of share your journey. Yeah. 48 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.080 Absolutely, And I did want to give a little bit of a shout out 49 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:08.000 you know Cliff Stevens from Truth to Faith. I was on his podcast last 50 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.199 week. Unfortunately it wasn't able to air yesterday, but he's going to be 51 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.919 getting out this next week. He just had some commitments to like a three 52 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.680 part episode kind of thing he was doing with someone, and hey, you 53 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.199 know, it's helping a show and I just love that. David Wise, 54 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.920 Oh my gosh, and you speak about the Awakening. I mean every I 55 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:30.560 got the app on my phone and I don't know if you've got the the 56 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.000 notifications thing, but my phone is buzzing like every ten seconds with a new 57 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.639 app user, new app user, and it just blows my mind. I 58 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.800 mean so, I mean again, like if you guys don't get that app 59 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.759 or have it yet, you know, I just totally recommend getting it. 60 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.439 You know, pay the subscription. It's an amazing tool. Yeah. Thanks 61 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.639 thanks for mentioning that. Can I just say something real quick because I always 62 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:58.040 mean to do that. We're still like fifth or six on the referrals, 63 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.480 which is good for us because people see, you know, the Flatter Files 64 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.279 podcast and they're like, what's that. So it does help. So and 65 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.199 I know we still get a lot of questions about certain things, and that 66 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:12.079 is such a powerful tool. If you're having a conversation with someone and they 67 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.879 ask you what is this? You can literally hit the question mark and you 68 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.879 can find the answer there. Not only tell them, you can show them. 69 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.800 It has ninety nine percent of the questions that most globers will ask. 70 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:28.439 So I'll leave the link to that to his app and that works for Android 71 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:33.480 or Apple iPhone, I guess, and use the referral code fe files and 72 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:38.079 I'll put that in the show notes as well because it gives us visibility, 73 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.000 which helps. And I'm sorry to interrupt you. That's just a great point, 74 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.839 and thank you for bringing that up. That it's perfect, man, 75 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.399 it's perfect. And then you know, last, but not least, I 76 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:51.399 got, you know, Josh Monday and Sean Hitler just two amazing people doing 77 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:58.160 so much amazing work in the community. Sean's videos are just amazing the work 78 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.439 that that guy does. So and you know, check those guys out if 79 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:05.879 you haven't yet. And yeah, man, so some of my story really 80 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:12.879 starts with my mom and dad. They were actually from my mom's from Salt 81 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.560 Lake City, Utah. My father was from Murray, Utah, and they 82 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:23.439 were both raised and kind of born into the Mormon religion. And you know, 83 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:30.240 my mom's ex husband before she met my dad, was just, you 84 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.079 know, kind of a real abusive man. And my mom was someone that 85 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:41.360 she was pretty much abused sexually and verbally and physically by most every man in 86 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.560 her life, a lot of my extended family, my grandparents and stuff like 87 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.680 that. And so one of the miracles was, you know, they had 88 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:56.000 kind of duped her into thinking that both of I've got a half sister and 89 00:06:56.000 --> 00:07:00.720 a half brother, and she was kind of duped into thinking that they had 90 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:05.560 died in a car accident, and they my mom wound up having a nervous 91 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:12.680 breakdown and she she wound up in a mental home, and so they shipped 92 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.759 her off from Utah out to New York, and you know, she was 93 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:20.160 ready to just give up the fight and just stay in the mental and back 94 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:25.639 in those days, you know, it's more like an asylum style where you 95 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:30.519 know, they're just pumping you full of pills, you know. And she, 96 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.639 uh, she had a dream and you know, I called it a 97 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:40.160 dream, but you know, she really says it was just a real experience 98 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:44.879 where three angels came to her and they told her, you know, Pollie, 99 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.519 you know your your children are alive, and you need to go back 100 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:53.480 to Utah and you need to, you know, take your life back pretty 101 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:58.160 much and get on your feet. And part of the amazing part of this 102 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.279 story and the miracle that I believe was so my father. He he would 103 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:07.160 He served two tours in Vietnam. He was one of like five survivors of 104 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.720 him of his first platoons that he was in. And I mean, you 105 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.480 know, I mean, I honestly don't even know how I got born out 106 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.319 of all this with what he made it through. I mean, it's just 107 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.120 a miracle in itself. But you know, the story goes, and I 108 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.199 wish sometimes I wish my mom was here because she tells us so much better. 109 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.560 But you know, when she came back to Utah and got off the 110 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.959 plane in Utah, my dad was landing from Vietnam and they actually met at 111 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.240 the airport, and uh, my father was the spitting image of the angel 112 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.000 that came to her in her dreams. And that's just something that just always 113 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.399 blaming me, man. I mean, it was just amazing, you know. 114 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:50.320 And you know, my mom, she's what she calls herself a prayer 115 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:56.679 Warrior. She she speaks in tons a lot. She's just been really deep 116 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.360 into it. And so both of my parents, you know, they listened 117 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.200 to John Denver, and I guess that's you know, they chose to get 118 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.799 excommunicated out of the Mormon religion and they chose Christianity, and they moved to 119 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.720 Denver, and you know that's kind of where they had you know, me 120 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.519 and my brother and started our family. And so, you know that being 121 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.679 said, my birth kind of was the first miracle of my life. I 122 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:26.200 was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck and they had to rush 123 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.799 me and flight for life from Saint Anthony's North Hospital here in Denver, Westminster 124 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:37.840 to Children's Hospital, and you know, I had an experience then where my 125 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.120 heart had stopped beating. They had to resuscitate me and brought me back, 126 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:46.679 thank God, you know, and it was just one of the most amazing 127 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.200 things in my life. And you know, so I was raised in the 128 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.080 Christian faith pretty strong when I was young. And one of you know, 129 00:09:54.639 --> 00:10:00.759 the other miracles that I've witnessed in my life was I I I woke up 130 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.559 one day and I was covered in warts brother from head to toe, and 131 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.679 you know, we had like this little weird mud pond thing that was we 132 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.360 grew up in this weird little house that was like my backyard was kind of 133 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.960 a construction site, and so that's where me and my brother played usually, 134 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.480 you know. And you know, everybody said it was you know, for 135 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.440 me being in that pond that I got the warts, but I really believe 136 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:26.360 it was the work of the devil. And they took me into church and 137 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:31.879 the entire congregation prayed over me for just what seemed to be forever at that 138 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:35.000 age. And I mean I woke up the next day without a war on 139 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:41.440 my body, and I mean I just I felt the hand of God and 140 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.279 just that just the power so deep in my body. I mean, it 141 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.399 was just amazing. And you know some of why I touch base on that 142 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.000 is because you know, growing up with such a strong I mean, I 143 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.000 was just I was a fan of Jesus Man. I used to watch, 144 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.360 you know, the old Ten Commandments movie, and I would stand in there 145 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.000 with Moses and I would part the seas, you know, and when he 146 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.120 was doing the Ten Commandments, I would you know, strike the commandments onto 147 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:13.200 the tablets. And I was just a super fan of Jesus. But you 148 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.799 know, with all that being said, you know, progressing into my my 149 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.519 later childhood, early teenagers, I was so easy. It was so easy 150 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.639 for me to fall away from him and I got involved in you know, 151 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.360 just drugs and caught up with the wrong people. And I mean I knew, 152 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.120 you know, I knew people in gangs, and I mean people who 153 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:41.799 were you know, Gothic and Satan worshiping people. And it was just really 154 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.759 powerful to me that, like, you know, I always just felt that 155 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.240 Christ kind of kept me on a fishing line, and it was almost like 156 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.679 a kid to his father, you know, where you kind of see how 157 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:58.879 far you can get away before your father brings you back in, you know. 158 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.240 And I mean sometimes it would have just taken me saying the word and 159 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.440 I could have just been jumped into a gang or something stupid. And it 160 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.639 was like he'd smack me and just reel me back in when I needed to 161 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.679 be reeled in, you know, And it was you know, I've always 162 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.240 just kind of had this kindred relationship with you know, God, in Christ 163 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.480 and the Holy Spirit, and you know, and I can't even say why 164 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.480 or how, you know, it's just always been something in my heart. 165 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.480 I was a real empathetic kid. I mean I would see a kid in 166 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.720 a wheelchair or a blind kid, and I would cry. I would tell 167 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.559 my dad, you know, take it from me and give it to them, 168 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.600 you know, like it just broke my heart to see anybody who couldn't 169 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.639 run and do the things that I could do, or couldn't see the beauty 170 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.919 that I could see. And so, you know, I've always just had 171 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.879 a really big heart and a really big, you know, empathetic soul, 172 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.159 and you know, a lot of that I think carried me down the line 173 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.879 of where I was and kept me kind of on the straight and narrow, 174 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:05.159 even though I walked some really dangerous roads. And just for reference, what 175 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.759 was this like during the nineties in your teen years when you yeah, yeah, 176 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.799 it would have been because you know, nineteen ninety I was born in 177 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.639 nineteen eighty, you know, not to age myself, but you know, 178 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.600 so yeah, around nineteen ninety I was about ten or eleven, so it 179 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.240 would have been about ninety two ninety three. Once I got into middle school, 180 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.440 you know, I met some kids I started, you know, experimenting 181 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.679 with pot or marijuana or whatever you want to call it. And you know, 182 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.000 marijuana took a seat in my life from from that age on pretty much, 183 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.879 and you know, I had my my ins and outs with it from 184 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:43.600 time to time, but it was always something that I that I went back 185 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:52.879 to, and you know, further into my my teenage kind of high school 186 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.559 years, you know, I got into LSD, I got into mushrooms. 187 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.720 I even did you know, some cocaine and stuff like that. Like, 188 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:05.480 thank god, I never got into anything much deeper than that. And I 189 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:11.559 was always blessed with not really having a strong addictive personality, and so I 190 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.879 was able to kind of be shown the way it was negative, negatively impacting 191 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.799 my life, and I could, I was able to make those decisions to 192 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.480 step away from it, you know what I mean. But marijuana was the 193 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.600 thing I always stuck and it was always just this crippling, you know, 194 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.519 thing just monkey on my back. And you know, I know we spoke 195 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.799 you know about me before we came on this podcast, and I mean, 196 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.679 I'm three weeks sober today, and it's just amazing. Can I ask you 197 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:48.360 a question, because there's something I really want to address because I know for 198 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.639 some people, you know, I know veterans who say that it's helped them. 199 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.039 But then I also can tell you firsthand that I know and I think 200 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:01.759 again, like there's not one magical elixir that affects every person the same way 201 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:07.679 I have seen it. And again I'm not this again. It affects everyone 202 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.080 differently, But I know for a fact that it is addictive. I've seen 203 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.120 it firsthand with people where it becomes an addictive thing. Would you agree that 204 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:20.679 that is it can be an addictive you know, entity for people for some 205 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:26.440 people. Oh? Absolutely. I think anybody who says the opposite is just 206 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.559 trying to stay on that ride. I mean, it's it's you know, 207 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:35.720 I mean it's you know, the first week when we had spoke last in 208 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.879 our emails, when I quit, I mean I barely slept but two or 209 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:45.279 three hours a night. I was having sleep paralysis. I was, you 210 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.480 know, just in the sweats, and I mean just total withdrawals, you 211 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.080 know. So, I mean, you know, and I mean it's labeled, 212 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.480 I believe as a hallucinogenic, like a class two or something. So 213 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.960 I mean there's definitely a lot of proof to that, you know. Yeah, 214 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:07.320 it's it's it's been it's been hard, you know, and a lot 215 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.720 of that kind of plays into It was just really amazing. And I can't 216 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.519 remember it was on I think it was Fact Hunter where you were talking about 217 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:18.000 like the music and the moms and the papas and Jim the Weird Scenes from 218 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.919 Dave McGowan's book. Everybody should read Weird Scenes, uh. And I'll put 219 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.399 that in the show notes for you folks. If you've never read it, 220 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.200 please do. It explains everything from Vietnam to MK Ultra all that stuff. 221 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.799 Very interesting stuff. Yeah, and it just blew my mind because you know, 222 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:38.080 being a musician, man, I mean, I've learned more classic rock 223 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.720 than you know, probably some people, man. I mean, and the 224 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.759 one band that I just always despised for some reason was The Doors. And 225 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.279 I had friends, man, they loved the Doors and they would yay, 226 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:51.679 let's you know, even in cover bands. I'd be in here, let's 227 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:52.279 play this song. I'm like, na, dude, I don't do the 228 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.799 Doors, you know. And I just I had this thing against George Jim 229 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.600 Morrison. And when you brought up George Morrison and the Gulf of Tonkin, 230 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.079 I mean, it just it literally blew my mind, brother, because it's 231 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.480 like, that's exactly why I hated that. Man was like, dude, 232 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:14.720 your dad pulled my dad into Vietnam, you know, and it was just 233 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.400 it was amazing. And you know, so you know, to get back 234 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.960 a little bit and kind of skip forward in the timeline, you know, 235 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:29.519 I went through all of that, you know, just an addiction and drugs, 236 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.240 and I delved into my music. And I started out my music really 237 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.359 doing like the blues and reggae. I was in like a Sublime cover band 238 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.400 kind of thing, and you know, doing that thing. And then I 239 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.240 wound up getting into metal and I was in a pretty premier metal band out 240 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.319 of Denver. I mean we were top five on kvpi's Best Band in Denver. 241 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.039 We did all kinds of stuff, and I was starting to get a 242 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.160 lot of a and our record attention coming to our shows and stuff, and 243 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:02.440 it was like God just really started to kind of show me, like you 244 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.720 just kind of parting my ways with that, and I started just getting you 245 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.079 know, I always wanted to be a father. I mean, that was 246 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:11.319 just one of the biggest things to me. I just I knew I was 247 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.839 going to be a great dad, you know, and luckily I was blessed. 248 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.480 I had two parents that just loved me more than anything, and they 249 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.000 were always I never had to lie to them. My dad would know when 250 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.279 I was on something, and he you know, and I was able to 251 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.160 actually tell him, like yead, Dad, I did acid, you know, 252 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.039 and he didn't beat me for it, you know, he worked me 253 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:33.920 through it, you know, and so I really I thank God for that, 254 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:41.759 and I thank God for that man. But you know what was kind 255 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.960 of crazy about it was, you know, through that band, I wound 256 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:51.960 up meeting my wife and we were both doing you know, coke and heavy 257 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.640 booze, and you know, my drummer, me and him would go out 258 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.200 and we would have like a four hundred dollars bar tab just between the two 259 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:00.880 of us, and then we go drop another one hundred and fifty to two 260 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.839 hundred on an eight ball of coke. Wow, And then we'd sit there 261 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:10.359 all coked up out of our gourd, and then we'd start chugging alcohol again 262 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.160 because we hated being on the coke's. It's like, I mean, it 263 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.920 was just such a stupid cycle, and it was like, you know, 264 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.839 it was kind of it was kind of all coming to terms at this point 265 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:23.839 when me and my wife met and it was like me and her just sat 266 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.000 one day and we just said, you know, enough's enough, Like we 267 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.599 want to start a life together, we want to have a family. And 268 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.839 so I was still in my band, but we had already parted ways with 269 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.119 coke. You know, we were still drinking, you know, and not 270 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.559 like in excessive amounts, but we were still getting drunk at shows doing stuff 271 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.680 like that, and you know, still smoking weed. But we had had 272 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.720 managed to get the cocaine out of our life, which was awesome. But 273 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.599 it you know, right around the time when we were actually really starting to 274 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:00.160 you know, maybe have a chance of doing something with it, my father 275 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:07.359 passed away. And you know what he passed away was he was really hit 276 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:12.160 hard with agent orange exposure from Vietnam, and you know, it started with 277 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:18.160 type two diabetes and he wound up getting part of his foot amputated. And 278 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.799 just it was like, within four years, I watched the strongest man in 279 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:26.720 my world never, I mean just never. He The only time I ever 280 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:32.440 saw that man cry in my entire life was when the Columbine shooting happened. 281 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.839 And you know, we can definitely get more into that sometime too, but 282 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:44.000 you know, it was like I just kind of went to my bandmates and 283 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:45.559 I was like, hey, you know, like I mean, my mom. 284 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.440 You know, she wasn't really able just to take care of herself, 285 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.440 and so I knew I had to find a way to move her in with 286 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.880 me and my wife. We were in an apartment at the time, and 287 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:02.599 you know, we barely got like ten thousand dollars from a thing that my 288 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.000 dad had, you know, an insurance thing, and it was like barely 289 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.480 anything to cover funeral costs, and just gave us a little bit of a 290 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.759 chunk of change to help with some moving expenses. And so, you know, 291 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.839 God really worked his magic man, and he you know, this was 292 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.759 at a time in Colorado in the housing market was at an all time low, 293 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.400 and we were able to get a house for a real affordable price up 294 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:33.440 in the Thornton area, and so, you know, it just it was 295 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.279 kind of He just carried me, man. I'll tell you right now, 296 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:40.880 Christ carried me and my family through that entire time. I mean, to 297 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.640 this day, I still can't remember a lot of what was going on and 298 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.839 what we were dealing with. But I had reached out to my ban and 299 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:48.440 I was just like, hey, you know, I need to take a 300 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.039 hiatus and I need to get this figured out, you know. And you 301 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.079 know, at the time, we were touring and doing you know, we 302 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.559 just had a CD release on an album and all kinds of stuff, and 303 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.920 those guys just didn't want to take a step back, and so they pretty 304 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:06.039 much told me like see you, you know, and I was like, 305 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.079 man, this is like the guys I just spent like the last seven years 306 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:12.400 of my life last you know, supposed to be my brothers, and they 307 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:17.640 literally just turned their backs on me. And it was really the slap in 308 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.599 the face I guess I needed at the time to put me on the road 309 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.599 that I needed to be in, you know. And so you know, 310 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.960 after that, you know, I really I was kind of lucky because I 311 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.400 really just cut all the friends out of my life. At that point, 312 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.880 I had already parted ways with a lot of the friends from the past that 313 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:42.000 were just you know, in that bad path, and you know, so 314 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:47.200 I just really focused my life around my mom and my mother and my daughter, 315 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.240 and you know, just kind of dove into work. And at the 316 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.839 time, I was an arborist, so like I've been an arborist for twenty 317 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:00.000 two years trim and trees and just doing landscaping and stuff. And you know, 318 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.440 the green industry is kind of a brutal beast in itself. There's really 319 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.799 not much a healthcare sit help, Like we didn't really get benefits, and 320 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:15.400 retirement was a joke, and you know, my body was just I was 321 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.880 beating myself to death. I mean, you know, i'd be we did 322 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.039 snow removals, so I would be out for like thirty two hours straight, 323 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.400 you know, pushing snow, shoveling snow, and then you know, coming 324 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.079 home and going out the next day to trim trees again. And it was 325 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.440 you know because we had you know, emergency tree lens that were everywhere busted 326 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.039 up and I'd have to go clear that stuff up. And you know, 327 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:41.880 I just started really praying to God and praying to God about you know, 328 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.680 just find me a way out of this, you know. And even though 329 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.720 like my schooling and everything was in horticulture and agriculture, it's like you're either 330 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.759 going to wind up working in a greenhouse or a landscape company, you know, 331 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.720 and I just I had to get out of it, man. And 332 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.039 so it's just real crazy, Like another time, God just worked within my 333 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:03.839 life was. I was driving down the highway and I was just, you 334 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.640 know, really in tears because I just I was so done with it and 335 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.680 I really didn't know anything else, you know. I dabbled with some construction 336 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.160 and stuff, but I knew I already knew I didn't want to do that. 337 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.880 And so, you know, I look up and all of a sudden, 338 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.720 there's a USPS semi on one side of me, and I'm like, 339 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.160 oh, cool, post office, you know. And I look over to 340 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.759 the other side and there's a USPS collections truck and it's like I'm boxed in 341 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:34.799 between two posts vehicles, you know. And I was like, oh my 342 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.480 gosh. But that's not even the craziest part. Like within an hour, 343 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.759 my buddy calls me that I had used to work with spraying trees and doing 344 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.000 tree work, and he was like, hey, man, what are you 345 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.839 doing. I was like, oh, man, you know, same old, 346 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.359 same old trees, you know. And he's like, he's like, 347 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.880 nah, brother, you need to come to the post office. And I 348 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.160 was like, you got to be kidding me. And so, you know, 349 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.160 I got in with the post office and I never looked back. And 350 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.079 that's been where I've been and you know, one thing I love about the 351 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.000 post office is you know, we're self funded. You know, we're for 352 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.960 the people, by the people, and that's what we do, you know, 353 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.240 and it's just really cool and it's been a big part of my spiritual 354 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.799 growth is just working, you know, within the community. And it's like 355 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:19.960 we had spoke earlier, you know, I mean, one part of our 356 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:25.400 job is we we have to deliver cremated remains, and you know, I 357 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:27.079 always say, you know, it's my co pilot for the day, you 358 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.279 know, and you know, because we try to make light of it because 359 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.039 nobody likes to have those, you know, nobody likes to have those in 360 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.559 their possession. It's just hard, you know, and you know, delivering 361 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.079 those to someone, you know, I've had to cry, I've had to 362 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:45.960 pray with people, and just it's it's pretty powerful. That's amazing that that, 363 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.279 pardon me, you have that type of compassion, you know, because 364 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:53.759 not everybody honestly has that, and it's I'm sure when that gets presented to 365 00:25:53.799 --> 00:26:00.920 them, you know that that's a moment of extreme emotion that overcomes that person 366 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.480 who's receiving the ashes. And it's quite admirable of you two to have that 367 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.359 type of compassion for people when you're delivering that Yeah, no, I thank 368 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.319 you, man. I really think I mean, you know, and I'm 369 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:12.759 just a firm believer and I've always said this my whole life. You know, 370 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.119 God, God puts you where you need to be. Yep, you 371 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.400 know, He never closes the door without opening a window. You just you 372 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.519 have to pray for you to be able to receive and see that window when 373 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:30.559 it's open. You know. I wanted to ask you because I know my 374 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.680 father was very pro military growing up. There's a picture of me when I 375 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.160 was eleven years old in a full beady battle, just uniform, the old 376 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:42.200 camouflage. But then as he retired and I started my deployments into Iraq, 377 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.599 I sense that he kind of felt like he knew, like because I was 378 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.119 in a place where actually I've said this before, I was in a place 379 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:57.079 my life like you the you know, the the I needed the military more 380 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.160 than the military needed me that when I went back in the second time. 381 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:06.240 But was he because of all the things like myself, everything that I saw, 382 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.680 and I see how the world is now. I'm pretty adamant to my 383 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:15.559 children that I would rather you not join the military. Did he have any 384 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.880 of those conversations with you? You know, I'm really glad you brought that 385 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.079 up. So when I was seventeen, I had got in. I wanted 386 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.480 to join the Marine Corps. And then again, growing up, man, 387 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.039 there probably wasn't a day of my childhood that I didn't have camouflaged clothing on 388 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.839 with camo pain on my face. I mean, I was out. He 389 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.000 taught me how to dig foxholes and build lean to's and just all the fun 390 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.960 stuff and we just played war and army all day, every day, and 391 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.839 you know, so it was just so he's in my heart, and you 392 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.119 know, I thought he was actually going to be really proud, you know, 393 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.599 and it was like he a switch flipped in him as soon as I 394 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.640 told him that, and he told me, He's like, son, I'm 395 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.000 never going to allow you to fight for a country that doesn't fight for you. 396 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.920 And I was just beside myself kind of because you know, he was, 397 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.480 you know, he's always in kind of the political realm. I mean, 398 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.839 like a desert storm broke out, and I mean he was in his 399 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.200 little war room watching all that stuff. And we used to collect like the 400 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:22.480 little deck of cards with all the you know, and so you know, 401 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.799 he actually went down and he threatened a lot of those guys that were talking 402 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.440 to me trying to recruit me, and pretty much told him, if you 403 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.039 ever approach my son again, it's not going to go well for you, 404 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.599 you know, And that kind of just parted my ways with it. But 405 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.759 I didn't quite understand all of that until I got a little further into my 406 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:47.279 life. And really, so, I mean, like JFK was probably one 407 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.359 of the first things that I came across that. And again I didn't we 408 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:56.079 didn't have like, you know, YouTube and all this computer technology to look 409 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.799 this stuff up and to get in these groups. And so really it was 410 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.880 just the discernment in my heart and what God would put on my heart. 411 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.720 And you know, I just always knew, man, Like I mean, 412 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.960 you know, there was just too much there with it. So I just 413 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.599 I always believed that JFK it was an inside job. It was just something 414 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.119 that was always in my heart. And so it really didn't take much for 415 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.240 me to believe that once I started finding some little facts about it, you 416 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.039 know, And I mean nine to eleven was probably the biggest one for me. 417 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:34.559 I'll never forget that day. I mean I woke up that morning for 418 00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:38.720 work and at the time, I was actually dabbling some carpentry, a little 419 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:45.640 bit of a remodeling, and I thought I had it on HBO. Man. 420 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.839 I mean, I literally popped on the TV, like, you know, 421 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.039 just getting ready for work, and all of a sudden, I look 422 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.960 and it's like one building's all smoking out and on fire. And then all 423 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.880 of a sudden, you know, you see this other you know, plane 424 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.839 or I guess suppose playing at this point, you know. I mean, 425 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.960 I don't even really remember how I saw and what I saw when that happened, 426 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.400 because it was just so shocking. And again, I was really not 427 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.920 I was just kind of laying on the couch with my coffee, you know, 428 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:12.279 and it was just like and all of a sudden, I'm just like, 429 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:15.839 this is real, you know. I was like, oh my god, 430 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:22.160 you know, and I mean, you know, it just kind of, 431 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.960 you know, really like set me off in my heart. You know, 432 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:26.799 all of a sudden, I'm thinking, oh my god, we're under 433 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.079 attack. You know, all this stuff's happening, you know, called my 434 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.160 boss. My boss was like, no, don't come in, you know 435 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.960 this and that but the one thing about that day that I'll never forget was 436 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.920 like the Pentagon and it's like all of a sudden, like, I mean, 437 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.680 they had news cruise on that site faster than anything that I've ever seen, 438 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.799 almost, And the first thing I was thinking is like, well, 439 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.880 where's the plane? You know? And it was just again, you know, 440 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.680 I didn't really have a lot of avenues to find this stuff, and 441 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.160 like corro my thoughts with anybody else. So I mean I actually kind of 442 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.839 took a lot of flak and lost some friends over that, like call me 443 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.240 not a patriot and anti this, you know and that, and I'm just 444 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.960 like, no, man, like you need to look and like, you 445 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.279 know, just go watch this stuff with your own eyes. I'm like, 446 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.200 cause, you know, one thing I did find was a thing about plane 447 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:25.480 crashes, and I can't remember the exact statistic, but it was like, 448 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.880 you know, there's like almost no plane crash in existence where they haven't recovered 449 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:36.240 like one or two of the engines or you know, part of the tail 450 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.559 or something, you know. And then I wound up seeing a picture of 451 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.279 the crash that went down in Pennsylvania and there's all kinds of plane carcass there, 452 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.480 you know, and I'm just going, yeah, man, no, 453 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.640 this is not right. And so luckily I wound up finding this video later 454 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:57.799 on when I finally did have YouTube, and it showed a video surveillance thing 455 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.839 from this building across the street and you're sitting there watching it and you just 456 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.200 see this thing come shooting in and I mean it's literally like feet off of 457 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:13.160 the ground, you know, and it you know, and I mean to 458 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.119 my belief is that it was definitely a cruise missile that hit that building. 459 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.559 And what really kind of set me apart was like, you know, I 460 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.279 do landscaping, and you know, I heard people talking that day how like 461 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.240 the plane had hit and then hit into the building. But every picture that 462 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:36.880 I was seeing on the news, the hedges and the turf and everything leading 463 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.440 up to the building were like in perfect condition, yep. And I'm just 464 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.359 like, so, you know, again, I guess it was just that 465 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.240 discernment that I had in my heart, and I was just like no, 466 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.839 no, no, you know. But I tried to wake people up to 467 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.680 that, and it was like just nobody ever wanted to hear it, you 468 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:53.519 know, and so I just kind of gave up. I was like, 469 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.400 look, if people want to be fooled by this stuff, they're going to 470 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.240 be fooled by it. I know what I know. And so pretty much 471 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.480 from that day forward, I didn't trust a thing that happened, like every 472 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.680 anything that came out. You know, I was easily able to get it 473 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.319 into like the Oklahoma stuff, because I was just already on that path of 474 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.799 just not trusting any of it. And that was another way my father raised 475 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.160 me, was like, always question the narrative, you know, you know, 476 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.480 always just think, think, think, don't just accept the answers that 477 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:28.200 are provided to you, you know, And so you know, it was 478 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.160 just really easy for me to make sense of all that stuff myself and follow 479 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:37.200 those breadcrumbs back to what had really happened. You know, that's right, 480 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.759 one hundred percent. And I'm glad you mentioned that because that is again, 481 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.519 if you put in if you go to Google. I always tell people to 482 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.119 go to Google when they want to be told something. If you put in 483 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.799 I think it was American Air seventy seven, why is there no debris left 484 00:33:53.000 --> 00:34:00.440 at the Pentagon. The very first thing to get is popular mechanics, which 485 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.640 also debunks many of the theories that we tall. Popular Mechanics is always one 486 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.680 of the first things to pop up in your Google search. They're the big 487 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:14.239 debunkers, and Popular Mechanics is actually owned by the Hearst Corporation. And another 488 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:20.039 rabbit hole many people may have not gone down, is the Patty Hurst was 489 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:24.360 that seventy eight or seventy seven, the whole Patty Hurst abduction. That's a 490 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.159 rabbit hole itself, and she comes from that family. That family, there's 491 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:32.079 many rabbit holes with They're a publishing magnet. They owned many of the Obviously 492 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.480 magazines have kind of died and gone away over the years, but they're still 493 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.800 a part of the old you know, from Ben Franklin to the Hurst family, 494 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.400 the people who controlled the printing press very much, you know, to 495 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:51.639 the people today who control the Internet, control the narrative. So you'll see 496 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.440 Popular Mechanics debunking, you know, the Pentagon. But the fact is, 497 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:05.639 and you can look it up, there's one hundred of pilots who had flown 498 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.599 for over thirty years who had gone into simulators and could not pull it off. 499 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.440 And apparently this guy who was air quotes at the helm of the airplane 500 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:21.760 couldn't even fly a single engine CESNA so and I've said this many times. 501 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.760 If there's one or two things, then yeah, maybe it's a coincidence. 502 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:30.679 But there's hundreds, literally hundreds of things that don't add up from I mean, 503 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.360 we could go on and on about that. But in Oklahoma City, 504 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.800 which I'll be at in a few weeks. And by the way, I 505 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:45.480 just driving back from East Palestine yesterday. I didn't even realize it, but 506 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.559 the Flight ninety three memorial they had signs for it as I was going down 507 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.000 the Pennsylvania Turnpike. And if I wasn't in such a time constraint, I 508 00:35:54.039 --> 00:36:00.559 would have gone there and checked it out. But yeah, it'd be pretty 509 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.440 amazing. Oh absolutely. And again when we talk about these things, I 510 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.639 always try to talk about it, just like when you deliver the ashes to 511 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.840 these family members. When we talk about these things, we understand that there 512 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.960 were people who died that day. We're not trying to say it didn't happen, 513 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:22.159 but the people who were behind it is a complete fabricated story. And 514 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:30.280 like you said, obviously there was a flight seventy seven. Probably I don't 515 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.960 have all those notes in front of me, but it was not an airplane 516 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.400 that hit it may have been a drone laden with explosives. Some people say, 517 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.440 no, if you remember that portion of the Pentagon had just recently been 518 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.239 under construction, Yeah, they made it stronger. Yeah, yeah, So 519 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.440 who's to say they didn't do what happened on the Trade Center tower. And 520 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.639 it's not even the military side of the Pentagon anyways, it was the accounting 521 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.239 side, right, Yes, And what did they announced on September the tenth, 522 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.920 two thousand and one, the trillion dollars missing two point three trillion dollars? 523 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.559 Once again, just another let's give one to the conspiracy jar. So 524 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.280 yeah, and that's so, that's good to know that you were a person 525 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:19.760 of discernment for much of your life. I was very much you know what 526 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:25.920 the history book said, until I know I started, I think probably my 527 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.840 third tour in Iraq, I started to see some things. I had somebody 528 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.559 mentioned something to me in two thousand and four. But when you're you're busy 529 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.960 deploying, and you're always on a calendar, you know, I'm only home 530 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.320 for X amount of time. Do I want to spend time having fun with 531 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.840 my family or do I want to close the door to my office and go 532 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840 down these rabbit holes. And it wasn't really until I retired, until I 533 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.800 started going down these rabbit holes. And that's when you really you feel betrayed, 534 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.079 especially when you have brothers and sisters who died because of these lies. 535 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.639 And you know something I've I've I've been coming to terms with and I knew 536 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.840 many people and not just military people, civilians as well. What does it 537 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.880 mean to be a patriot? Does it mean to to blindly support this government 538 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.719 no matter what? Does it mean to hold them accountable? And I remember 539 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.880 the feeling. And I've said this before. My buddy, one of my 540 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.760 best friends, was a recruiter on the day of September eleventh, and he 541 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.760 said, on September twelfth, there was a line around the block. And 542 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:31.079 then in retrospect, you understand that they are able to control our emotions. 543 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:36.119 They are experts, the ones who controlled, the ones who bend the knee 544 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:40.880 at Satan's altar, right, they know exactly what strings to pull and how 545 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.239 to put them on television and the internet to get us to react in a 546 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.360 certain way. Would you agree with that? Oh? Absolutely one percent. 547 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.400 I mean, you know that was kind of It's kind of funny too, 548 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.840 because had you come up to me at this time in my life, even 549 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.599 with the discernment I had, anybody who would have ever mentioned flat earth to 550 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.360 me, I would have just laughed it off, probably because like I really 551 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.599 had a conception in my mind that, you know, flat Earth was them 552 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:16.719 actually distorting God's creation even worse. And I think I told you that story 553 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:22.840 about when I was in outdoor lab in elementary school and I was doing this 554 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.840 repelling exercise and there was this gal I wanted to talk to that I was 555 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.639 just finally building up the courage to talk to her, and you know, 556 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.960 I was doing this repelling exercise up and down these pine trees up in the 557 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.239 mountains, and I came down and man, I had like this scolding sunburn 558 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.760 that just slashed down the side of my face, and it was just it 559 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.920 was like I just got welted, you know. And I mean it seemed 560 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.679 like it was almost instantaneous me. We were probably out there for a good 561 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.800 you know, four hours or so, but my counselor had like scolded me 562 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:54.519 about like, you know, you didn't put on any sunscreen. I'm thinking, 563 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.559 dude, I grew up just playing in the sun all day every day. 564 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.880 I wasn't even allowed in the house, you know, and I'd never 565 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.079 been burned like this, you know. And I just remember saying to him, 566 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.119 I was like, you know, you're the sun is and I didn't 567 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.400 know the number. I was like millions of miles away and you're telling me 568 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.239 a thousand feet in elevation made a difference. And it's like I had no 569 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.840 idea what truth was hitting me at that point when I said those words. 570 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.280 You know, it was just amazing that, like, you know again, 571 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.639 that was like it was kind of God just like giving me that little bit 572 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.840 of a view that I just should have, you know, I could have 573 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.000 ran with. But and and all of this is getting to flat Earth. 574 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:36.760 I'm getting to my story there with you know, you flash forward from you 575 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.280 know, all that nine to eleven down meeting my wife. You know, 576 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.800 so I'm working, and then you know, twenty twenty hits man, and 577 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.440 you know, right around twenty nineteen, I just really got this feeling in 578 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.440 my heart, you know, like I feel like, you know, it 579 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.599 was definitely the Holy Spirit. And I just you know, you know, 580 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.760 I always pay attention to weird things in the news, articles and stuff like 581 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.719 that, and I caught wind of a virus, you know, something in 582 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.920 China, and all of a sudden, I just kind of got this fear 583 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.960 over me. And sometimes fear is a good thing, you know, it 584 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.840 can drive men to do good things, and sometimes it can be the worst 585 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.159 thing in your life. But in this sense it you know, I came 586 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.960 home and I told my wife. I was like, look, I just 587 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.960 I got a horrible feeling like we need to kind of stock up on some 588 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.119 stuff and just make sure we got a good couple months of stuff in case, 589 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.079 you know, something happens. And she honestly thought I was crazy at 590 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.519 first, I mean cause she's a real money pincher. So it took an 591 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.360 arm and a leg to get her to free up even five hundred dollars to 592 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:37.599 just stock up, you know, on some stuff, and we did. 593 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.159 We went out and got a bunch of toilet paper, paper, towels, 594 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.800 can goods. I wound up getting like one of the last freezers I could 595 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.960 find around that. It was like a six foot freezer. They were all 596 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.719 really small everywhere else. And you know, we got that freezer stocked it 597 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.199 full of meat, and then it was like slammed. I mean, twenty 598 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.320 twenty hits so fast, and it just unrolled so fast, and it was 599 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:07.800 like, you know, a lot. I mean, I've always really been 600 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.719 someone to tell people who are dealing with fear, you know, God does 601 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.079 not give us the spirit of fear, but of love, power, and 602 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.920 a sound mind. And it was funny because I wasn't even even really able 603 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.440 to to heed my own words at that time, you know. I mean, 604 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.280 there was so much you know, through Facebook and all these other outlets 605 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:27.000 of just you know, this, this and this, and so we had 606 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.880 my mom living with us. She was super high risk seventy two years old, 607 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.719 you know at the time, you know, obesity and just health issues, 608 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.960 you know. And then my mother in law, my mom, my 609 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:45.079 wife's mom, she was battling stage three cancer and so you know, and 610 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.039 that's kind of you know, something I wanted to speak to is like I 611 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.079 see a lot of the vaccine community talking. You know, people will be 612 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.960 like, you know, you know, we're not the brainwashed sheep that got 613 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.199 the vaccine and this and that, and it's like and it can get some 614 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.840 of that, but it's like you got to understand that that the devil was 615 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.960 working more of his works during that time, yes, than anything, and 616 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.840 so you know, we were kind of in a hard place financially at the 617 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:16.000 time of My wife had just gotten this job that paid ninety five thousand dollars 618 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:22.480 a year and she runs she's head of HR and so you know, they 619 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.599 pretty much told her, like, you know, you need to get the 620 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:30.760 example for all the other employees, like you're gonna have to get this vaccine, 621 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.159 you know. And at the post Office at the time, you know, 622 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:38.000 they did the federal mandate, our union hadn't filed the lawsuit yet to 623 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:43.199 fight it, and so you know, I was really trying to. I 624 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.599 mean, I was fighting everything because I did not want to get it and 625 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.440 I didn't want my family to get it. But through all of that propaganda 626 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.280 and everything coming out, it was like, you know, we just decided, 627 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.559 like, hey, we're going to have to do this, you know. 628 00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.639 And so I told my wife. I was like, there's no way 629 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.840 I'm letting you get it first. Like if I'm going to get it and 630 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.119 die, I'm going to get it and die and then you can choose from 631 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.760 there, you know. And so I went and I got the shot, 632 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.920 you know, and you know, I just I prayed, I prayed and 633 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.599 I prayed and I prayed and I said, God, look because I mean 634 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.760 I even talked to a friend of mine that was a pastor, and you 635 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.679 know, even he's telling me like, well, you know, God's also 636 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.440 working with the medical professionals. You know, he gives these people the knowledge 637 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.519 to be able to create these vaccines and blah blah blah blah blah, you 638 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.360 know, and it was like so much just misinformation spewing in my head. 639 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.679 So I just prayed to God and I said, God, look, if 640 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.920 this is your will, then let it be right. If this is the 641 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.440 work of the devil, let it pass through us like saline water. I 642 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.880 said, let it just you know, pass right through us. And so 643 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.880 you know, we got the first you know, because you had to get 644 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.440 a double dose to be considered vaccinated. And so we got the first two 645 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.079 shots. And then by by that point, ain't enough. You know, 646 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.360 information had come out that I just instantly was like, nope, we're done, 647 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.239 you know what I mean, Like I like all of the deceit was 648 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:15.079 out in the open, and it was just you know, and I'm still 649 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.760 man. I mean, it's what twenty twenty four, so I mean I'm 650 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.400 only four years in you know, and I just I keep it in prayer 651 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.119 man that I don't wind up with some heart condition or some you know, 652 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.159 you know anything. But like, you know, do I take it as 653 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:30.400 like the mark of the beast? Now, man, I mean, it's 654 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.679 just it is what it is. And I mean we've all been deceived. 655 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.840 I mean obviously now knowing what we know about flat Earth, we've been deceived 656 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:43.199 on levels we couldn't even fathom, that's right, you know. So you 657 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.719 know that's kind of where I was with that. But you know, it 658 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.880 just brought up a lot of anger in me, anger at society, the 659 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.880 division I saw in families. I mean people were just like not even invited 660 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.719 to Christmas, you know, just because someone got the vacks and someone didn't. 661 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:01.000 Just thinking like, well, if you're vaccinated, what do you care 662 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.320 if they're not. You know, if the vaccine works, then why are 663 00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.280 you even worried about it? You know? And I was trying to so 664 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:13.000 I was on Facebook, you know, dropping truth bombs like left and right, 665 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.320 and man, I got I got canceled for you know, first it 666 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.280 was like two weeks and it was like two months. The medical man, 667 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.400 yeah, yeah, we got finally banned me for a solid year, dude. 668 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:25.679 And I was just like, you know, whatever, man, and 669 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.079 I was just done with it, dude. I was just I was so 670 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:34.639 angry and upset at the devil and the deception or to society. And you 671 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:39.119 know, we flash forward to you know, really about the last two months 672 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:44.559 at twenty twenty three, and I'm sitting there just you know, every time 673 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.519 I open my news at man, I mean, We've either got an asteroid 674 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.280 the size of New York that's gonna wipe us out, or Korea or China 675 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.159 or Russia's gonna nuke us. And you know, you got the Satan nuke 676 00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.239 and the Satan missile and like all this, and I'm just like and I 677 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:04.320 just it was almost like my uh it was almost like my neo moment, 678 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.760 you know, the matrix. Like I was just like no, and I 679 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.960 was like I'm done. And I mean I just went into prayer like no 680 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.480 other brother. And I guess it was probably you know, within like the 681 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:21.280 last six or seven months of twenty twenty three, and you know, I 682 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:22.960 just do I dove into prayer so hard and I just said, God, 683 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.559 I was like, I know this is not your work. I know this 684 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:30.440 is not the way you made our existence in creation. I'm like, all 685 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.679 of this is you know, I mean, you got Elon talking about you 686 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.159 know, colonizing Mars, and I'm like, that can't happen, you know, 687 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.840 like I just knew from what I knew through the Bible and everything. 688 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.599 I was like, it's not that it's not possible, it's that it just 689 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.920 it's well, I mean it is that it's not possible. It's just it's 690 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:52.159 it's it just simply can't happen. And I was just like, God like, 691 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:53.239 and I just told him, I said, God, I want you 692 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.480 to show me the truth, you know, show me what this creation is 693 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:01.239 about, show me why we're here. And I started having this reoccurring dream 694 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.639 man. And so one thing about me, you know, being you know, 695 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.760 against fear. I've been terrified to fly. In my entire life. 696 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000 I've never gotten on a plane. And I'm working to get past that now. 697 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.519 And really this awakening with flat Earth is kind of helping me to that. 698 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:25.239 But at this time, I started and I used marijuana to suppress my 699 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:29.519 dreams because and I'm telling you, man, like I did not dream when 700 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.360 I was stoned, and so that in itself that I even had a dream 701 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.320 to begin with that I could even remember was a miracle in itself, because 702 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.000 you know, I would see my dad and I ever since I got that 703 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.599 knock on the door when my dad died at four thirty am, you know, 704 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:50.239 I would wake up at four thirty every single day for the rest of 705 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.079 my life. And it was like it was like just solid sleep paralysis for 706 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:59.400 the rest of my life until this point, Like I just I couldn't sleep 707 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.840 past forth and I always knew why, and you know, it was, 708 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:07.559 you know, I knew it was that that trauma of waking up and going 709 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.079 and finding my dad dead with my mom, you know, and it was 710 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:16.400 just so hard and I, uh, but you know, so I started 711 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.400 having this reoccurring dream. And in this dream, it's like it's really kind 712 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.320 of a surreal looking world that I'm in, but it's it's it's there, 713 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:29.960 you know. And but in this dream I'm supposed to get on this plane. 714 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.639 I'm like, okay, you know, And it takes me like five, 715 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.880 four or five of these dreams to finally work up the courage to get 716 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.519 on this plane. And I don't even know why, you know, I 717 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.400 have no idea what it's about. But I keep telling my daughter about this 718 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.760 dream. And then finally, you know, I worked up the courage and 719 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.599 I got on this plane and it's a real like short, stupid little flight, 720 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.440 and it just takes me down to this island and I'm like, you 721 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.280 know, it lands, and I go through all this fear and all this 722 00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.360 you know, feeling and getting down there, and then all this sudden, 723 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.960 man, I was literally standing on this point and I was standing on water, 724 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.559 and it was like all these different currents of water are kind of coming 725 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.039 down and connecting, and it was just so beautiful. And I looked out 726 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.960 at the land and you know, then I would kind of wake up from 727 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.519 that, and then all of a sudden, I had the dream again, 728 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.960 and it went a little bit further and a little bit further, and then 729 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:29.280 finally I saw where I was just standing on water, and there was this 730 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:35.199 being next to me. Man. And I mean, dude, you know, 731 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.159 I believe it was Christ, whether it was an angel, whether it 732 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:43.360 was whatever. And I look up and his face is just so beautiful, 733 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.719 man, and so bright. I couldn't even see his face. So I 734 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.519 can't tell you exactly who it is, man, but I just remember this 735 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.320 warmth and this presence coming over me and all my fear went away and I 736 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.440 just had the like the Holy Spirit just talked to me in my dream and 737 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.760 said, all is not what it seemed. And from where I'm standing, 738 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:07.599 I can see every continent on a level plane, and it just weirded me 739 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.159 out. Man. It was like from that point, I could have stepped 740 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.960 to South America, you know, Africa, United States, anywhere, and 741 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:20.039 it's kind of over exaggerated where it was all a lot closer. But it 742 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.880 just kind of tripped me out because it's like it was all right there on 743 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.400 this one little level area, you know, and so it was just crazy. 744 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.400 And so, you know, one thing with you know, me and 745 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:39.960 music was, you know, some of my biggest addictions were marijuana and porn. 746 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:45.239 And I've always had a really big problem with porn in my life and 747 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.400 just you know, from a you know, even from a young age when 748 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.039 I first found playboys in the back of my dad's van and stuff like that, 749 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.400 and it was always something I battled with. And you know, the 750 00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.800 more I was tuned into music, the more I would get those temptations, 751 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.519 you know, and I started to kind of you know, try to recognize 752 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.639 that. But I started just you know, so I separated myself from you 753 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.480 because you know, when I'm on my route, it's really just me and 754 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.199 whatever. And so I would put on a podcast and I started listening to 755 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:21.119 stories from the Bible and just stuff like that that, you know, just 756 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.199 kept me in a better place in my mind, and it kept me from 757 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:30.719 getting those temptations of just being stupid. And do you think can I interject 758 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:35.320 really quick, yeah, do you think it's the uh like four twenty eight 759 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.519 or four thirty two verses four forty or do you think it's the lyrics and 760 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:44.159 that which can be in terms be uh deemed as chance. What part of 761 00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.719 the music do you think leads you to those thoughts, like, you know, 762 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.039 those negative or legal thoughts and actions, you know, delving into the 763 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:57.400 music a little bit. I mean you totally blew my mind when when you 764 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:04.400 had talked about Aleister Crowley and you know the Beatles Sergeant U, Yeah, 765 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.400 Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club album. I mean they're like this little happy family 766 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:10.360 band, yeah, you know, and I saw that cut cover and I'm 767 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:14.199 just going, what the what are they doing there? You know? And 768 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.000 I was always into Led Zeppelin, and I always saw they're kind of a 769 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:22.400 cult symbolization that they had with them. Yeah, but I had never what's 770 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.880 that Jimmy Page bought his mansion. Yeah, yeah, you know, and 771 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:30.119 so I found a really amazing documentary at one point that just happened to pop 772 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:36.039 up one day and it was like it just went through this whole thing, 773 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.440 and I mean Jimmy Page, I mean he winds up, you know, 774 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:45.000 just literally bowing down to Crowley and studying all this stuff. And they actually 775 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.599 did a I guess a saying or like I don't know what you call them, 776 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.320 a ritual seances, whatever they do, but they were doing this thing 777 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.360 to make them like the biggest band in the world. And John Paul Jones 778 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.440 he had really strong Christian background and so he didn't want any part of it. 779 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:05.159 And it's just kind of funny because you know, moving through that, 780 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.239 I mean Robert Plant he was in like three almost death you know, near 781 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:19.960 death car accidents and yep. Yeah, and then you know we all know 782 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.599 John Bonham, I mean he literally died in his sleep from alcohol, and 783 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.639 it was like that ended that band. And what was always stuck out to 784 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:34.159 me was like Jimmy Page was never able to write another hit song after that 785 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.039 time, and it was almost like the devil had collected on that contract, 786 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:42.199 you know. And you know, being in the blues, I always you 787 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.360 know, I mean Robert Johnson The Crossroads and all that stuff, you know, 788 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.159 and its yeah, and I remember hearing people talk about the fact that 789 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:55.519 he had no skill whatsoever, like he had no rhythm, like he just 790 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.000 didn't have the blues, you know, and then all of a sudden he 791 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.280 comes back and he's like like the godfather of the blues, you know. 792 00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:07.559 And it was just nuts because I one thing that was kind of funny to 793 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.239 me was I've always had a hard time, like I'm a guitarist, but 794 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:19.639 I can't remember lyrics. Like lyrics they never really have a like a front 795 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.880 impact on me where it's like I remember all the words in a song, 796 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.440 Like I can play songs all the way through, but I can't really sing 797 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.519 them all the way through without messing up the lyrics so bad that it's like 798 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.199 people just start laughing at me, you know. And so I really think 799 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.480 that that was God's way of kind of trying to shield me from some of 800 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:43.760 like the the because I do believe in in the I'm not sure how they 801 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:51.440 call it, but you know, when they're reversed playing music. Yeah, 802 00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.239 yeah, yeah, back masking. I think I should have wrote that down 803 00:55:54.280 --> 00:56:01.559 somewhere. But that was a big one for me that I started really paying 804 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:05.960 attention to and see. So, like I was like, later on, 805 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.480 after I got out of that band, I started kind of parting ways with 806 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.639 metal. And because I was never really deep deep into metal. Like one 807 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.159 of my friends he knew I was a great guitarist, and he's like, 808 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:17.239 look, we need this guitarist. And I'm like, dude, I'm a 809 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:20.800 blues guy. I'm not really a metal guy. Oh no, I've heard 810 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.880 you. You know. I grew up playing learning some Metallica and Black Sabbath 811 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.400 like any kid. And you know, he was like, I know you 812 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.039 can play this stuff, you know. And so I was like cool man, 813 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:35.840 and I did that. But with the reggae, everything's about smoking weed. 814 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.360 I mean, it's like all the bands I like, and I love 815 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:44.920 the message of just you know, the you know, positive vibes and love 816 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.360 and all that, but it's all marijuana, man, like the whole thing, 817 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:55.280 you know, And so it really kind of you know, showed me 818 00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.079 that, like, that's exactly what the hindrance is is. You know, 819 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:06.360 how are you going to separate yourself from marijuana if you're literally flooding your mind 820 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:12.639 with songs about smoking marijuana, you know what I mean? And it was 821 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.360 it was powerful, man, And you know, not to get too far 822 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:22.360 away from my awakening, but you know, it was around that time that 823 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.320 I was going through those podcasts and you know, and I didn't even know 824 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:30.880 why God was really putting it in my heart to start separating myself from from 825 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:34.320 music, you know. And so I was really just trying to dive into 826 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.440 podcasts and stuff. And my podcast had ended and I was like, oh, 827 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.920 you know, that sucks, that's over, and I was kind of 828 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.679 in a hurry, so I just went back to my music, and man, 829 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.840 within thirty minutes, I'm like pulling up, you know, looking at 830 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:51.119 some chicks tits on Facebook and this and that, and just getting all these 831 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.599 urges and I started just getting, you know, just all this temptation was 832 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.679 like rushing back in me, you know yeah, and I was like, 833 00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:00.960 my God, like I can't, I can't, Like I'm broken, man, 834 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.559 I cannot have two seconds without something positive in my mind before I just 835 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.320 start getting tempted, you know. And so I was like, no, 836 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:12.199 man, I put down the music and I was like, God, I 837 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.719 need to find a podcast. And I started scrolling on Spotify, and all 838 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.239 of a sudden, I saw flat Earth files and I was like, oh 839 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.360 my god, these guys you know, and I mean I didn't. I 840 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.599 just laughed when I first saw it. I mean, you weren't even searching 841 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.000 for, like, you didn't put flat Earth. That just literally just came 842 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.519 up. Yeah, it just scrolled up through my menu because I just I 843 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.920 just went into a podcast thing, you know, and I was just searching 844 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.440 through them and it just came across, and I mean I was just like, 845 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.119 oh, whatever, you know, and I just kept scrolling, and 846 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.280 all of a sudden, it was like the Holy Spirit just hit me. 847 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.480 And it was like, well, if it's that stupid and you don't believe 848 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.360 any of that stuff anyways, why are you so afraid to hear about it? 849 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.519 And I was like, all right, you know, I'll pick up 850 00:58:54.519 --> 00:59:00.199 the rope on this one, okay. So and how I'm sorry, what's 851 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.519 that? How long ago was this when he came on the podcast? When 852 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.440 he came upon it and you found it. This would have been literally January 853 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.800 second of this year. Oh okay. And so that's when like when I 854 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.920 talk to people, like I tell them, like, you know, what 855 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:15.719 are we March fifteenth. I'd have to do the math. But I used 856 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.039 to say, like, hey, this is day forty five for me on 857 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.199 Earth as I know it, and I really believe that. I mean, 858 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.679 dude, flat Earth saved my life. I mean, it flat out saved 859 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:28.199 my life. I mean, I know, you know Christ is my savior, 860 00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:32.639 but flat Earth brought me all the way full fledged into Christ. And 861 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.119 it's so amazing man. And I mean it's just I can't even it. 862 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.760 I can't even convey, Like I mean, when I go back to when 863 00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:44.760 I went back to, like so I started at your first episode, it's 864 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:46.679 like why the lie ye, And all of a sudden, I was just 865 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:52.760 like boom ma. I mean everything that you know. And I'm not someone 866 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:54.760 that just listens to something and goes, oh yeah, yeah, that's it. 867 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:58.960 I mean I took everything you were saying and I went and did three 868 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.719 or four different points the research on everything you were saying in that show, 869 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:07.760 and it you know, I'm I'm just literally it's all coming open right in 870 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.159 front of my eyes, you know. And I it was like it was 871 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:14.679 like I'd never even seen Genesis. As many times as I've read that book 872 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.719 and read other verses of the Bible, it's like it's just like brushed right 873 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:21.960 over my head. Like like when I see stuff like the firmament, I'm 874 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.159 like, oh, that's just that's religious talk. It's above my head, 875 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:30.639 you know. And exactly I would just like it's like now when I open 876 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:32.960 up the Bible for the first time of my life, Brother, it makes 877 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.079 sense, and it just it's just amazing. I mean, it's just so 878 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.079 amazing to be able to just have this connection with God, you know. 879 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.119 So you know, obviously like one of the biggest one for me. And 880 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:50.639 I've heard a lot of guys say this, but it was the go fast 881 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.480 rocket. I mean, when that thing hit the firmament, Bro, I 882 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:57.960 started crying. I mean, I mean how I mean, the one thing 883 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:01.519 is like it wasn't destroyed. I mean, that thing hitting something solid like 884 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.360 that, it should have just been obliviated, you know. And it was 885 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.360 almost like the hand of God just stopped this thing, like nope, And 886 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:14.159 you could hear like that echo off of the firmament and then you see the 887 01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:15.920 sun in the moon all local right there, you know, And it was 888 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.920 like, oh, it's just so powerful, brother, And I'm glad you 889 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:25.559 brought that up. I've already bookmarked the video. It's actually go fast rocket 890 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.800 hits the sky firmament and it's already got It's got so many that this is 891 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:36.000 great. I don't think we talk about it enough. This video alone has 892 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.599 waken up so many people. Oh my god, yes, yes. And 893 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:45.599 so you know, one thing that's amazing is like when I talk about empathy, 894 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:51.480 I've always been able, Like when there is a mass tragedy, I 895 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.960 mean I can't. I will fall to my knees sometimes and start crying because 896 01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:59.960 of the loss of life. And I'll never forget when I was sick. 897 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.760 I was six years old when the Challenger happened, and they willed that TV 898 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.400 into every classroom in my school, every classroom in the nation. And brother, 899 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:13.360 I felt nothing when I saw that thing explode. I mean I never 900 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.920 understood why, but I just I felt nothing. I would I didn't cry. 901 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.639 I was just like, oh, well that sucks, you know, 902 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:23.239 on about my day and I never understood why. And then then when I 903 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:28.440 when you brought up the Challenger and I went into Sean Hiller's level with me, 904 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:30.519 I mean, oh my god, it just blew my mind. And 905 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.880 I was like, I mean it's like, you know, yeah, you're 906 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.880 gonna tell me that every one of these guys has this twin relative and all 907 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:43.360 this. And then when you see the footage of what's her name, who's 908 01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:47.079 the teacher, Christa mcculloff, Yeah, Christa mccauliffe, Like you see her 909 01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:52.079 parents in the crowd and they're smiling and laughing, yeah, you know, 910 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.400 And I mean it's just it was just so insane, because again, it 911 01:02:55.480 --> 01:03:00.079 was like God just shown me at that point with discernment like nah, you 912 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.719 know that didn't happen. Yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. 913 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.440 You know. So then I start diving back and I'm going, you know, 914 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.039 I pull up the Helium Act in nineteen twenty five. I'm like, 915 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.039 nineteen twenty five, like, what the hell do we need with I mean, 916 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:19.079 we literally monopolized all mining and in everything a helium on planet Earth or 917 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.639 you know, not planet Earth, but Earth. And it was like, 918 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.199 you know, like what's that all about? You know, like Party City 919 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:29.199 was going to be a really big deal, dude, you know. And 920 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:34.159 so I started just following all of it, you know, through operation you 921 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.559 know, fish Bowl and high Jump and paper Clip and then you know Warner 922 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:42.599 von Braun. And one of the funny things was, before I'd even caught 923 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:46.920 your other episode on Walt Disney, my daughter had actually made the connection between 924 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:52.000 Walt Disney and Warner von Braun because like, she's kind of like my teammate. 925 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.199 As soon as I found out about flat Earth, dude, I was 926 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:58.480 like, I took my daughter and I was like, babe, like you're 927 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.039 never going to believe this, you know. I mean, and she's been, 928 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.079 you know, really on this road with me some you know, but 929 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.599 she she made that whole connection and she's like, Dad, they were making 930 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.559 movies together. Was like, what you know, It's just it was just 931 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.000 so much. And that's what's crazy, bro is I have not found a 932 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:20.440 rabbit hole yet that doesn't connect at some point. I've said that many times. 933 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:26.679 Every every single rabbit hole connects to at least one other. Yeah, 934 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.239 And I mean, if it's not the Masons or the Illuminati, or the 935 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:33.280 Rothschilds or the Rockefellers or you know, the I mean it's just it. 936 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:39.119 It's like at some point like, oh, there it is. It pops 937 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:44.119 up right there. And I don't know if it was you that I heard 938 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:49.840 mention this, but you know, Joseph Smith was a free Mason, the 939 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:54.159 guy who had started the Mormon Church, the Mormon Church, I mean, 940 01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.559 like so like, you know, I've always believed with all my heart, 941 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:02.199 like if you were raised in Bible and raised Christian, there's no way you 942 01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:06.360 could ever even give a thought to Mormonism. Man, because he literally is 943 01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:11.639 acting like Jesus Christ returned to him and he was the only person that saw 944 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.559 him. And it says right there in the Bible that you know, let 945 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:18.320 no man tell you of my coming. You know, all eyes will see, 946 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:23.239 all needs will bend or you know, and yeah and bend, and 947 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.639 all tongues will confess, you know. And so it's just amazing to me 948 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.039 because you know, I've got family still and they're you know, they're all 949 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:32.079 soaked in the morning religion. I've never had any I mean, they've never 950 01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:36.280 even reached out to me. I have uncles and you know, grandparents that 951 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.679 they've never spoken a word to me, just because my parents are Christian. 952 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:44.079 You know, I mean, it's just amazing how you know, I guess 953 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:53.400 when you're excommunicated, you're excommunicated, you know. Yeah, So you know, 954 01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:00.960 so podcast Why the Lie and that really hit home? Did it? 955 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.360 Kind of? I guess it brought you know, all the things that you 956 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:06.159 had talked about before, because just a couple of years before you had dealt 957 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:11.440 with the COVID, you were awake with nine eleven and everything else. So 958 01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:16.320 do you think it was easier to kind of accept understanding that all the other 959 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:20.440 things that you know, the big stories through history have been lies. Yeah. 960 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:23.719 I mean, like, you know, it's funny because you know, 961 01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.840 you know, I've heard you and others say like how they just lost sleep 962 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:31.119 for days when they found flat Earth. Rather, I was relieved. I 963 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.239 never slept better in my life, man, I mean, just knowing that, 964 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:39.800 like everything I had been told and seen, because you know, my 965 01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.199 dad actually went down to my elementary school and they tried to teach me evolution 966 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.880 and tore them up up and down about just trying to teach me evolution. 967 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.559 You know. So I've always been kind of a creationist at heart, you 968 01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:57.079 know, even though I didn't know what creation really was, you know, 969 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.760 just like reading Genesis, O, there's firmament. It must be one of 970 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.800 those biblical words, and you just go past it. Yeah, and when 971 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:10.880 you when you see these things, everything merges together. And again I've said 972 01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.239 this to so many people. It has made I understand the Bible so much 973 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:19.320 better and just being able to see God's real creation, bro, Like it's 974 01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:25.440 just so beautiful. It's so beautiful, and it's just it makes sense. 975 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:30.000 Like you know, brother cliff Man, he talks about sometimes, oh, 976 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:32.159 I'm not the best educated, and you know, I dropped out of high 977 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:35.000 school and this and that, and I really do feel like I mean, 978 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:41.159 I felt the same way I always struggled with with education, and it was 979 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.960 I feel like that's kind of God keeping his children close to him in a 980 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.199 way where you know, I didn't. I never adopted any of this stuff 981 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.480 like you could, like you know, you talk about how you can go 982 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:54.360 up to people and ask him about the distance of the sun and the moon. 983 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:57.639 You know, I just I never adopted any of that stuff in my 984 01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:00.519 heart as fact, I just didn't care about it. Just it was never 985 01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:03.239 able to take seat in me. You know. I just always was like, 986 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.880 Okay, whatever, it's all crazy we're spending, we're flying, we're 987 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:11.440 moving, and you know, it's just okay, you know, and it 988 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.119 was just I mean, for me, it really just brought peace to me, 989 01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.119 man, because it showed me that, you know, God's in control 990 01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.319 and God, you know, we are created with a purpose and we are 991 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.159 you know, the center of the universe. You know, the earth was 992 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.640 you know, the most magical creation of all time, and you know, 993 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:36.359 it just it really floored me that, you know, with all the discernment 994 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:40.760 I had for stuff like JFK nine to eleven and this stuff, I was 995 01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.159 never able to dig in and uncover a lot of this, you know. 996 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.680 And I think, and I think you speak volumes to that when you talk 997 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:53.039 about the design. I mean, you know, we're we're slaves in a 998 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:56.680 new Roman empire, man, where you know, all we do is work, 999 01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.399 you know, five or six days a week, you know, nine 1000 01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.239 to twelve hours a day. We have no time. We have no time 1001 01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.920 to really you know, you're reacting to family, you reacting to life, 1002 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.079 You're reacting to everything, and it's like you don't have time to really have 1003 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.600 the discussions, you know, absolutely, And I remember growing up, dinner 1004 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.560 table conversation was there, we didn't have the cell phone distractions. You know, 1005 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:25.399 I'm thinking maybe mid seventies, everybody had that the after dinner. My 1006 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:30.039 dad would read from the Bible after dinner. And a lot of those traditions 1007 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:34.119 have gone by the wayside, partly because of the matrix, because now you 1008 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:39.079 know, in many families it requires mom and dad, I'm sorry, mom 1009 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:45.000 and dad to be working forty fifty sixty hours a week and you have when 1010 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.439 you think about it in retrospect, then again, I'm not you know, 1011 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:51.720 raising my kids that that was the drop you know, drop them off at 1012 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:56.000 daycare. Then they went to the public school. That that was part of 1013 01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:01.279 just the daily you know, that's how it went. But now in retrospect 1014 01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:05.199 and now that I'm older and I'm able to I can homeschool with my youngest 1015 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:12.039 daughter, you realize the system that they have built is you know, they 1016 01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:18.079 talk about I I having a brain cramp here, but basically, you know, 1017 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:23.000 give us your child and we'll create a basically a society that we can 1018 01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.960 control. And that's part of the big push now that they have pre K 1019 01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.880 because they understand that the younger that they get a hold of your child, 1020 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:34.159 the more easily they can manipulate and indoctrinate. I know we use that word 1021 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:39.239 a lot here on this program that but that's really really what it is. 1022 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.840 And amen. And I've talked to so many preachers, and I said, 1023 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.159 do you understand, do you truly understand what a battle you're up against when 1024 01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.960 you get these children. You know, if you have a church that's say 1025 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:56.760 a Wednesday night service, and they get Sunday school and church just three hours, 1026 01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.279 you know, a week, and then they send them off to to 1027 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.399 the public school systems where sometimes they're there, you know what, thirty thirty 1028 01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:09.840 five hours a week. And you know that. And again, this is 1029 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.760 not a teacher bash. There's so many great people who are teachers. But 1030 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:17.560 it's the system that has been hijacked and taken away from communities and we've gone 1031 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.720 We've talked to nauseam about the people who print the history books, and we 1032 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:29.600 know who writes history. And it's just it's a tricky predicament where we are 1033 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.000 in a system where it's very difficult to homeschool. And I think a lot 1034 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.680 of that is people are nervous about it, people are worried about it. 1035 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:40.359 People I don't want my child to be the weird homeschool child. But I'm 1036 01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:45.239 here to testify that out of all the decisions I've made in my life, 1037 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.039 that is one of the proud I'm very proud that I took the leap and 1038 01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:53.279 I did that because now there's no excuses. Right, I'm the one that's 1039 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:57.439 molding my daughter's mind. Right, I can't blame it on the public school 1040 01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.920 system. It's you know, I'm the one that's building her morals. And 1041 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:05.039 of course there's always going to be outside entities involved, right, the cell 1042 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:10.720 phones, the TV, the movies. Right, you can't overprotect a child 1043 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.840 because that can backfire too. So you got to find that happy medium where 1044 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:16.479 you say, hey, this is how the world works, this is what 1045 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:24.319 we believe, and I truly believe if you are an example, not just 1046 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.960 a do as I say, not as I do type of parent, I 1047 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.800 think you have a better chance of success. No. No, I mean 1048 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:39.319 that's probably the best well put statement I've heard with that for sure in a 1049 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:44.159 while. Man, Because you know my daughter, like you know, one 1050 01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:46.800 thing that was amazing with her is just I mean, she has that kindred 1051 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:53.079 heart with Christ and she was given that spirit, like she's just got my 1052 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.920 heart, my discernment in her, and you know, one thing with you 1053 01:12:56.920 --> 01:12:59.560 know, I read her like, you know, the Children's Bible when she 1054 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:02.039 was a real, real small baby and stuff like that. But as she 1055 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:05.640 got older, I didn't never I just didn't want her to. I never 1056 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:11.000 pushed my music, my beliefs or anything on her. And I told her, 1057 01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:13.039 like, you know, I was like, here's all I want you 1058 01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:15.119 to do, baby girl. I was like, I want you to, 1059 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.920 you know, call out to Christ and just open up a discussion with him 1060 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:24.119 and just a former relationship with him and just let him do the work. 1061 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:30.199 And she found Christ on her own, I mean literally through all the stuff 1062 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:34.159 that she saw within our family. You know, I had a little bit 1063 01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:41.640 of a cancer scare probably four or five, six years ago, and I'm 1064 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.560 sorry, the time flies in the post office, so it's crazy, but 1065 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.800 you know, I had gone into the doctor and they found out that, 1066 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:54.760 you know, I had a massively enlarged prostate and you know I could tell. 1067 01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.119 I mean, the doc, you know, they thought it was cancerous, 1068 01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:59.279 you know, and so they were going to be running this blood work, 1069 01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:04.560 and you know, I came home and at the time, my daughter 1070 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.600 was going through a really hard time. I mean, they really were forcing 1071 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:13.439 the hole. I mean it was crazy how fast the whole LGBTQ thing blew 1072 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:20.199 up in her elementary even let alone when she got into middle school, and 1073 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:24.239 you know, she came home one day and she was like, Dad, 1074 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:27.720 you know, I think I'm lesbian. I mean, I wanted to just 1075 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:30.920 she know, and like slam the hand of God on her, but I 1076 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:32.680 just, you know, I told her. I was like, I was 1077 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:35.039 like, daughter, there's nothing you're ever going to do that's going to make 1078 01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:38.640 me stop loving you. I was like, you know, but I know, 1079 01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.119 in the bottom of my heart, I know who you are, and 1080 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:45.920 I know that's not you, you know, and I just want you, 1081 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:47.439 you know. And I told her, I was like, do me a 1082 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.880 favor. I was like, don't accept any label. You know, don't 1083 01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:58.079 label yourself lesbian or pen whatever or you know, just there's what one hundred 1084 01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:00.680 thousand of them now. Yeah, but I was like, you don't take 1085 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:01.960 one of those labels. I was like, just, you know, I 1086 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.680 want you to watch with your own eyes of how these people work and how 1087 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:10.279 they treat each other. And they did all the work for me. I 1088 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:14.800 mean, she was in this one group and they were like the hardcore little 1089 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:17.840 pride group and they were all about her when she was, you know, 1090 01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:21.800 thinking she was lesbian, but then she was like, well maybe I'm bisexual. 1091 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:27.319 And then she started dating a boy and they all turned on her like 1092 01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.960 a pit of snakes. Dude, that's crazy. It was like it was 1093 01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:32.439 like even though she agreed with them, you know what I mean, Like 1094 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:38.319 she agreed with everything, and it was like just because she wasn't on the 1095 01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:43.159 wrong side of it at that point, they just completely I mean they diffused 1096 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.520 themselves. For me, dude, I'd had to do no work with that, 1097 01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:48.920 and she has like totally one hundred percent distanced yourself away from those people. 1098 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:53.600 And it's awesome. That's amazing. But and it is truly amazing. 1099 01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.079 But with that being said, the first question that pops in my mind as 1100 01:15:56.079 --> 01:16:00.479 you're telling that story is where do those other children get that mentality from? 1101 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.720 Right, the ones, Yeah that befronted her and then ostracized. Is it 1102 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:05.800 from the parents, Is it from the TV? Is it from the cell 1103 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.199 phone? Well? What they think it was all of it combined. You 1104 01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:14.279 know, one of her friends was identifying as a boy at the time, 1105 01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:16.479 and it was, and you know, she was a girl, and you 1106 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.000 know, I allowed her to hang out and we I think it was like 1107 01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:23.359 her birthday party, and we went and dropped her off and I met the 1108 01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:27.640 parents, and I mean you could tell, like the parents were just totally 1109 01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.199 cool with it. You know, they had their little Pride flag and their 1110 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.720 BLM stuff and everything. And I mean I'm thinking to myself, like, 1111 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.560 oh my god, dude, like you know, what am I even bringing 1112 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:39.680 my daughter into here? You know? But again, I just I didn't 1113 01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:44.439 want to be that guy to just destroy everything she wanted to do, you 1114 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:46.720 know, and so I just I really put it up to God, man, 1115 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.479 and uh, you know, she was able to see all of that 1116 01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:54.479 for what it was. But oh man, I mean the way that the 1117 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:59.159 really the Internet is probably one of the hardest proponents of that, where I 1118 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:05.680 mean every single you know, TikTok and Facebook and Instagram thing, it was 1119 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:11.720 like it's all either you know, only fans or something crazy like that or 1120 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:16.039 LGBTQ transgender stuff, you know, And you know, it was like, 1121 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:18.960 you know, back in my day, you know, I had friends that 1122 01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:24.279 I had like one or two friends through my life that were gay, and 1123 01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:28.119 I never judged them for it, you know that it was their life, 1124 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:30.359 and I just prayed for him and I said, cool, you know, 1125 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.039 like you do you And that's how our country was for the longest time. 1126 01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:38.199 I mean, there was never any you know, people walking down the street 1127 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:42.039 with burning steaks trying to kill all the gay people, you know, or 1128 01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:45.840 you know. It was like even racism, it just didn't exist like it 1129 01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.279 did in today's culture. I mean, did I grew up half I mean 1130 01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:51.479 I don't. I could barely count the number of white friends I had on 1131 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:55.479 my hand, dude. I mean, I grew up in a very mixed 1132 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:59.920 culture community. A lot of my friends were you know, Spanish or Mexican 1133 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.279 or black or whatever, and we never looked at any of that. We 1134 01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:08.520 just didn't, you know. And so I could instantly see the way society 1135 01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:14.000 just started drawing that riff between and it was just it was like it was 1136 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:17.479 just night and day. Man. I could not believe how parents and teachers 1137 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:24.520 and everybody were just bowing down to this ideology and just you know, not 1138 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:27.199 even trying to combat it at all. You know. It was like, 1139 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:30.279 oh, we just we gotta you know, we gotta be compassionate. And 1140 01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:34.720 endure and just you know, be open minded. And it's like, you 1141 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:39.880 know, you're looking at twenty twenty. I mean, the liquor stores on 1142 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.880 my route were still open yea, because they're essential, but the churches on 1143 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.199 my route had to close their doors. Yep, you know, and I'm 1144 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:51.720 going, do you not see, like what's happening here? Like every company 1145 01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:57.880 on the Fortune five hundred stock market is open, but anybody else was closed. 1146 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:01.199 They're getting imprisoned fore been trying to open their doors, right, you 1147 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.079 know. I mean it was just, you know, and that's where all 1148 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:11.119 that anger came from during twenty twenty, because I was watching the devil work 1149 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:15.319 just right in front of my eyes every day. I mean, people trapped 1150 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:17.880 in their cars and some of them would have a mask on with a face 1151 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:24.079 shield. I'm thinking, like what the hell, you know, like come 1152 01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.880 on, man, I mean, it was just it was a hard pill 1153 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.640 to swallow, and it really started, you know, but that's all what 1154 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:35.199 really led me to where I was. And you know that prayer that really 1155 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:40.399 I mean, God showed me his creation firsthand, and that dream and flatter 1156 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:44.000 earth just it brought it all right back to where it needed to be and 1157 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:45.199 it was like as soon as I saw that, I went back into the 1158 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:48.960 Book of Genesis and it was just like it was like reading a children's book. 1159 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:53.159 At that point. It was like everything just made so much sense. 1160 01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:57.760 It was like the waters were just clear, you know, and it was, 1161 01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.760 I mean, just so powerful, man, and so powerful. And 1162 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:04.039 with that being said, we're coming down to our last ten to fifteen minutes. 1163 01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:06.720 I wanted to ask you, and then I still wanted you to talk 1164 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.840 a little more about flat Earth, But have you looked at all into the 1165 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:15.880 April eighth event and havent do you have any thoughts on that? Can you 1166 01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:18.960 refresh me with it in the eclipse? Oh, the one that's coming up, 1167 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:24.359 Yeah, in April eighth. Yeah, you know, you know it's 1168 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.079 funny that you mentioned that because I just had something pop up this morning on 1169 01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:32.680 that again. And you know, I mean, I I so Matthew twenty 1170 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:38.079 four is that's my that's my scripture, man, and I believe that we 1171 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:43.279 have been living in Matthew twenty four for shoot the last eight years, dude, 1172 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:46.680 And you know every time, like I've even showed my daughter and my 1173 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.560 wife like like I'll read them Matthew twenty four and they can see right there, 1174 01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.880 like you know, the fam and the pestilence is like all of that, 1175 01:20:54.960 --> 01:21:00.840 you know, and Matthew twenty four to nine, it's like you should 1176 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:05.640 be hated of all nations for my namesake, you know. And I mean 1177 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:11.079 I don't think we're I don't think we've seen the full role out of the 1178 01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:18.560 persecution with that, With that audio that you played from Trudeau and the fact 1179 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:23.439 that we're able to really have these discussions and all these groups that I'm seeing 1180 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:30.479 on Facebook, I think you know it's it's coming soon, man, when 1181 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:32.880 we're we're about to get slapped in the face pretty hard with this stuff, 1182 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:36.880 and our our rights and our freedoms are going to be treaded on like nothing 1183 01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:41.520 else, like nothing we've ever been able to fathom in our lives. Man. 1184 01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:43.399 And you know, not to put fear out there. I mean, 1185 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:46.560 God doesn't give us the spirit of fear. But you know, one thing 1186 01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:50.680 the Holy Spirit really put on my heart today was just to speak about division. 1187 01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:58.000 Have you ever heard about Ron Wyatt? I sounds familiar, but I 1188 01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:03.079 can't uge to it was he's a let me get to my notes real quick. 1189 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:06.079 He's a he's a he was a nurse and an archaeologist, but he's 1190 01:22:06.119 --> 01:22:15.159 a Seventh Day Adventist and this is the guy that he literally found Sodom and 1191 01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:19.840 Gomora, the original location. Amora and brother. They're pulling out balls of 1192 01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:24.800 brimstone out of this place that are ninety eight percent pure. I mean, 1193 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.600 even the stuff we mine on Earth are out of volcanoes is only thirty to 1194 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:31.840 thirty five percent. I mean you can just see. I mean, it's 1195 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:36.079 it's just it's all frozen in time on this documentary where you can just see 1196 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:42.840 the ash in these cities that are just frozen in ash. And it goes 1197 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:46.640 into you know, the Red Sea crossing, and you know, the map 1198 01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:50.760 in the Bible doesn't even give the true location of that crossing. But through 1199 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:57.039 this documentary he uses scripture and you can see the way. I mean, 1200 01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.920 it's like it's just another little part of the sea. And when they go 1201 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.880 there, I mean, dude, they're underwater, I mean one hundred and 1202 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:09.319 thirty eight feet below the sea and there and there there's chariot wheels and there's 1203 01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:14.680 axles, and I mean they found skulls and rib cages and even horse hoofs 1204 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:17.760 and there's not even horses in that region. I mean it was so mind 1205 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:26.359 blowing. And then they came across Elam Elam is where Jesus led the Israelites, 1206 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:29.079 you know, and it's it's that little oasis in the death. I 1207 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.560 mean, you can go on Google Earth right now and search that and you 1208 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:35.399 will. It's like a little oasis in the middle of the desert that's frozen 1209 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:42.119 in time. There's still twelve wells. I mean, just like it says 1210 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:44.720 in the Bible. I mean, how does a book written thirty five hundred 1211 01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:48.119 years ago speak to something that still exists right now? You can see with 1212 01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:54.319 your own eyes on Google Earth. You know, the Rock of Horror where 1213 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.760 you know, Moses struck the rock and God split it to provide water to 1214 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:01.640 the Israelites. I mean, it's there and you can see it with your 1215 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.800 own eyes, and it's just like, you know, one thing they'd speak 1216 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:09.560 about in this documentary is like none of this information, this stuff was found 1217 01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:13.159 back in the nineties and it was never even I mean, there should be 1218 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:17.520 thousands of archaeologists down here doing all kinds of research, and nobody's there. 1219 01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:21.880 Like it's just nobody's there. It's like they and that's kind of where, 1220 01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:29.039 like, you know, the division of the Christian community is really something that 1221 01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:31.159 I've been trying to speak out to in some of these groups because it's like, 1222 01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:38.640 you know, the devil uses division to divide us, you know, 1223 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:45.199 obviously, and but like you know, when when when I see stuff like 1224 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:48.279 this, and like the only reason they discredit this man is because he believes 1225 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:51.399 that the Sabbath is on Saturday and not Sunday. I mean, he still 1226 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:55.760 believes in Christ, he still believes in God, the whole book. He 1227 01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:59.680 just has a different view of it, you know. And it's like a 1228 01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.640 lot of these Christian groups I get into, they're like, oh, the 1229 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:05.079 Holy Trinity, there's no Holy Trinity, there's no Holy Spirit, and this 1230 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:08.920 and that, and I'm like, you know, do you really think that 1231 01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:14.319 the Bible was left here for us so we could just nitpick it and argue 1232 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:16.000 amongst about ourselves. I mean, at the end of the day, if 1233 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:19.560 you've got Christ, man, you're saved, and that's all that matters, 1234 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:25.840 you know. And it's like we're sitting here just nitpick and all this just 1235 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:30.119 different stuff. I Mean, I have been in groups about the Book of 1236 01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:33.680 Enoch and I'll try to mention something. I mean, I posted up a 1237 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:39.720 whole thing about how Enoch literally proves flat Earth and they didn't even approve my 1238 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:44.880 post, you know, and I'm like, what the hell you know? 1239 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.520 I mean, it's just and and that's something that I do want to come 1240 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.800 back and do a show on at some point. Is all that. But 1241 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.560 you know, this is where the Holy Spirit put me today, man, 1242 01:25:56.279 --> 01:26:01.439 And and I love it, dude, but really what he wanted me to 1243 01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:08.560 speak on was just division. And you know, we're so divided through religion 1244 01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.119 and race and everything right now. The government that they're you know, the 1245 01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.720 narrative that they're putting out to us. And when I go on these flat 1246 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.600 earth groups, it's like that anybody who will come on that you know, 1247 01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:23.680 believes in the globe with a question, all they get slammed with is oh, 1248 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.920 another globe tard, a brainwashed idiot, you know. And it's likest 1249 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.479 gods were the guy at one point anyway, right exactly. And it's like, 1250 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.359 man, we've got to be able to meet these people with the with 1251 01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:39.680 compassion. You know. It's do unto others as you have them do unto 1252 01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:42.640 you, you know. And I think if we can all just take a 1253 01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:45.880 step back and just live a little bit more christ Like and just say, 1254 01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.960 you know, what would Jesus do? You know? I mean if I 1255 01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:53.159 was someone new to Flat Earth and I just started having some questions and I 1256 01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:55.880 went into one of those groups, I probably would have been pushed away so 1257 01:26:56.119 --> 01:27:00.079 fast just because of the negativity and the hatred that they're spewing out at these 1258 01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:02.159 people, you know. And you know, and I get it, you 1259 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:04.800 know, you get your trolls in any group and stuff like that. It's 1260 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:09.199 just as easy to not pick up the rope and just scroll right past them, 1261 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:12.079 you know. And I think we all need to do a little bit 1262 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:15.039 of a better job. And I hope anybody who's hearing this out of my 1263 01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:18.319 voice understands that I'm not trying to judge anybody. You know, the Holy 1264 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:23.279 Spirit really put it on my heart to talk about this. It's just we've 1265 01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:27.920 got to stop the division. I mean, we've got this beautiful community and 1266 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:31.960 you know them, it's like Christ, okay, when I mean he literally 1267 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:39.920 chose thieves and gamblers and murderers as his disciples, and it's it's you know, 1268 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:44.520 he tried to show I mean, that's what he was essentially doing when 1269 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.960 he went out to the Egyptians and all these peoples, he was showing them 1270 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:51.079 that his love and compassion extends to all of them, you know. And 1271 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:56.159 you had the whole Synagogue of Satan, the false Jews that they wanted all 1272 01:27:56.199 --> 01:28:00.319 that knowledge for themselves, you know, they didn't want anybody else else to 1273 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:03.960 have that, you know, that God knowledge. And Christ literally was like, 1274 01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:08.000 no, like that. You know, that's not what I'm about, 1275 01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:11.359 you know. And so I think, you know, you know, we 1276 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:14.760 we need to just kind of take a step back as a society. And 1277 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:19.520 you know, even when you run into someone that's you know, even LGBTQ, 1278 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:24.079 I mean, just meet him with compassion, you know, meet him 1279 01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:27.520 with with love and if and pray for him and if if you know, 1280 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.039 if you don't agree, you don't agree. But we got to just stop. 1281 01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:35.399 The hatred is causing more division in every single community that I look into, 1282 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:39.319 And it breaks my heart, man, because that's I mean, the 1283 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:43.479 devil wins the day at that point. And the more that we're divided when 1284 01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:45.359 this stuff does start to roll out, the easier it's going to be for 1285 01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:49.159 them to just stomp on us. Yeah, And if you look at the 1286 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:55.600 divisiveness of twenty twenty, I honestly believe, like you said earlier, what's 1287 01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.840 coming is going to be tenfold of what we saw in twenty twenty. So 1288 01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:01.560 absolutely, And you know it's like, I mean, are you are you? 1289 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.119 Are you not going to go to heaven because you believe in the Holy 1290 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:08.720 Trinity? Are you not going to go to heaven because you know you're a 1291 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:12.920 Seventh day Adventist or you still go to church on Sunday? I mean absolutely 1292 01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.720 not. Man, if you've got Christ in your heart and you're there with 1293 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.239 it, you're saved. You know, there's nothing for us to worry about. 1294 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:21.520 So it's great. You know, knowledge can be, you know, 1295 01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:26.000 a beautiful thing, but it can also be a very hindering thing. And 1296 01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:29.119 if we start, I mean, we all talk so much about the Illuminati 1297 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:31.840 and how they are so you know, they feel like they're so above us. 1298 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:36.720 But to come out of something I mean you're talking about like you know, 1299 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:41.000 I mean, yeah, we all know that there's pagan stuff to stuff 1300 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:44.600 like Christmas and Easter and all this stuff, and it's like that's all great 1301 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:48.039 knowledge to have, But I'm not going to divide my family and deprive my 1302 01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:54.159 kid of Christmas. I mean, I feel like if we're celebrating Christmas but 1303 01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:58.640 yet we're doing it in Jesus' name and the birth of Christ, we're smiting 1304 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:01.680 their whole entire little pagan and ritual right there, you know. And the 1305 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:04.640 same with Easter. I mean, these kids don't know about you know, 1306 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:10.479 painting eggs and you know, fertility. I mean, if that's what they 1307 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:15.319 want to do, as long as you're celebrating christ resurrection, I mean you're 1308 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:18.920 just you're you're diminishing anything that they want to put into it. Anyways. 1309 01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:23.359 And again, I don't look down on anybody for if they want to do 1310 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:25.760 it or not. I'm just saying, like, don't let these be the 1311 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:30.079 catalysts that drive more division than your families. You know. Like even with 1312 01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:32.560 truth. I mean, my wife, like she she gets it on a 1313 01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:35.640 lot of stuff, and there's stuff that she just doesn't want to hear. 1314 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:40.039 And I don't push it, man. I mean, this is all our 1315 01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:44.000 journey. My truth is my truth, you know, and your truth is 1316 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:47.600 your truth and this journey if you can't let it. I mean I heard 1317 01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:53.640 about a guy who he literally got divorced from his wife because she couldn't accept 1318 01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.640 the truth. It's like, well, don't shove it down her throat, 1319 01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:59.640 man, Like she can go on her whole life never know in any of 1320 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:01.479 this. But if she has price, she's good. That's right, you 1321 01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:08.800 know. Spot On well said. And I was a guest on a podcast 1322 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:12.119 a couple of weeks ago or a YouTube channel, and I kind of lamented 1323 01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:15.000 the same thing where I think I was asked, kind of where do you 1324 01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:18.520 see the truth community as a whole? And I say, I think we 1325 01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:25.560 should kind of tone back the divisiveness, right, And I think the example 1326 01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:28.840 I used was, you know, we all know nine eleven was an inside 1327 01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.039 job, but you look in the comments section and said, you know, 1328 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:35.039 this tool actually thinks that there was planes that day, and just you know, 1329 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:40.039 people get divisive over the details, and the fact of the matter is, 1330 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:43.279 we don't know for sure. All of these things are hypothesis. We 1331 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:48.199 do know as a fact that the official story is BS. So to you 1332 01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:53.039 know, that just hinders the work of the truth community. And it's okay 1333 01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:55.720 to have discussions about it that they can be healthy, right, you know, 1334 01:31:55.760 --> 01:32:00.680 a little round table discussion, But when it becomes divisive and and you 1335 01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:03.600 know, it destroys the community. That's where you need to take a step 1336 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.560 back and say, hey, you know, what's the bigger picture. What 1337 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:11.079 are we trying to accomplish here? And it should be you know, first 1338 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:15.880 and foremost from my perspective, is spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ number two 1339 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:19.800 and this is escalated you know, flat Earth. The longer I've been doing 1340 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:25.840 it, the more I realize how this is keeping God away from people. 1341 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:30.720 And it's a huge lie. And another thing that people don't realize is that 1342 01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:34.720 these people are part of the military industrial complex, the same people who are 1343 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:40.680 causing pain and suffering around the world. These contracts are given to the same 1344 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:45.399 people that build artillery and tanks and everything else. And you know, I'm 1345 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:49.920 not this crazy liberal. I'm just a person who's grown up and understands both 1346 01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:56.239 sides are corrupt. You know, there's an evil entity that is trying to 1347 01:32:56.279 --> 01:33:00.479 persuade you to, you know, adhere to worldly things and not worry about 1348 01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:04.640 that other stuff, because you know, this was created by a big bang. 1349 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:08.119 You came from a monkey, and we live on a ball hurtling through 1350 01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:12.239 space that's fourteen billion years old. So when you break down the truth, 1351 01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:17.079 you realize the world we do live in. And if we get enough people 1352 01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:23.239 to understand that just those three basic things, I do believe, as they 1353 01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:28.239 say, a great veil will fall from mankind's eyes. Now, amen, 1354 01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.600 brother, you couldn't say it any better. Man. Well, it's been 1355 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.880 just a tremendous interview, and again I'd love to bring you back and discuss 1356 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:42.000 more things. I still have more questions. I would like to actually talk 1357 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:46.279 about Columbine because that time of year is coming up. You know, it's 1358 01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:50.319 a little darker subject, but the occult April nineteenth to May first is a 1359 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:55.880 very big time of year for them. You look at April nineteenth with Waco, 1360 01:33:55.920 --> 01:34:00.199 Oklahoma City, Columbine was April twentieth, very interesting time of year. 1361 01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.560 And with everything that's going on on the world stage, as we say, 1362 01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:06.680 you know, keep your head on a swivel. But then again, if 1363 01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:12.000 you follow Jesus Christ, you shouldn't. I mean, as humans, we 1364 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.680 worry. Right, It's one thing to say I don't worry, but we 1365 01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.199 have children and families. We do worry. But I think absolutely, you 1366 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:21.119 know, it takes a little bit of the stress off. So again, 1367 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:24.399 thank you, Matt, for having us and I will give you the final 1368 01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:29.680 word. Yeah. You know, I just again to everybody in the in 1369 01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:32.119 the community. I love you guys as brothers and sisters. And you know, 1370 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:39.159 if you're dealing with anything, you know, with addiction or anger or 1371 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:43.119 anything, you know, I definitely recommend you know, Cliff's podcast Truth to 1372 01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:46.399 Faith as well. He helps, I mean just amazingly extensively with that kind 1373 01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:50.000 of stuff too. But you know, reach out to me, man. 1374 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:54.520 I mean, I would love to just talk or pray with you guys or 1375 01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:58.479 whatever we have to do, you know. And you know, I mean 1376 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:02.439 John eight thirty two, I mean, you know, the truth will set 1377 01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:04.760 us free, you know what I mean. I mean, we will know 1378 01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:09.640 the truth and the truth will make us free. And you know, just 1379 01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:13.840 remember, you know, we're all stuck in this together and we just got 1380 01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.079 to help, you know, be fistures of men. You know, we 1381 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:20.720 got to really find a way to just keep Christ as the focus on everything 1382 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:26.640 that we do. Amen to that, and I appreciate you putting that on 1383 01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:30.800 there. I'll put cliffs link in the show notes the Truth to Faith podcast, 1384 01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:34.119 and I think I gotta look on my board. Yeah. March thirtieth. 1385 01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:38.239 I'm going to be on his podcast again. I don't word when it's 1386 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:44.600 going to drop it. I'll be back on Oh happy birthday man. But 1387 01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:46.840 I'll find that link. I know he's on Apple and he's on podtail and 1388 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:48.760 a few other things. I'll make sure I get a link on there. 1389 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:54.680 So again for Matt, thank you all as always for your continued support and 1390 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:59.439 your emails and your kind words. And I know there's a lot of people. 1391 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:00.800 We still get emails from people who are on the fence, and they 1392 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:08.359 get questions from family and friends that are not sure about Listen. We will 1393 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:14.119 never have all the answers, and the scientists you know, and those folks 1394 01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:16.399 they will tell you that they have all the answers, but so will we 1395 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:20.479 use car salesman. So remember that. Anyway, let's close on that. 1396 01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:23.720 For Matt. I'm George, God bless you all. Keep your head on 1397 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:28.760 a swivel, and until we meet again, we will see YEA. I 1398 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:35.960 know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've had spain. I don't 1399 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:45.000 know you feel the tie tell down all the way? Yeah, I know 1400 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:53.680 you feel them. Are you smile? Ain't the same? I still where 1401 01:36:53.760 --> 01:37:00.000 to go from you. I feel like you've lost your way. Dude, 1402 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:06.680 don't give up, No, don't give it and never is home. Don't 1403 01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:13.079 let call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's gone up plaid. 1404 01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:24.000 Why it's a way got up? May me come? Why a fright god? 1405 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:38.359 Mcle I can see the street beside you. Child's are putting up five. 1406 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:45.520 Oh, you're stronger than a thing you are. Yeah, you're gonna 1407 01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:55.680 be all right. You're accepting a dead found beautiful. You're shoving ride, 1408 01:37:56.279 --> 01:38:01.000 Yeah, you're living, breathing, move, you can hold your head of 1409 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:11.319 hide. Don't give up, No, don't give in, never loss home. 1410 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:16.039 Don't they call on the primies. It ain't Donion's God up clay? 1411 01:38:16.680 --> 01:38:23.600 Why some waintil the god of maybe come, don't give up, No, 1412 01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:29.640 don't give in. You never live home. Don't let go on the primies. 1413 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:34.199 It ain't gon life. It's worth living. What's a way town? 1414 01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:44.640 The god up? Baby court? Why sur pray down? Got up? 1415 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:53.319 Steamy colt? Oh? Yes, what a pray now? The god baby 1416 01:38:53.479 --> 01:39:12.359 colt? Oh? Yeah, God, don't give up, No, don't 1417 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:17.039 give in, never lose hold, don't let go of the primis. I 1418 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:24.279 mean I done. Yeah's God, I plan wats die? The kind of 1419 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:30.680 even cos don't give up, no dog giving, but never hold, don't 1420 01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:38.159 let go of the crimes. It ain't done. Lover's worth living, whats 1421 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:50.640 died? The God of ever records, Ah, the God of need cos 1422 01:39:53.720 --> 01:40:05.359 why you done? The God of co mm hmmm. You're listening to the 1423 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:12.399 Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, Mammy,