You seemed like a nice guy. Why'd they put you in here? Because
they were a pink shirt? I understand people thought I was crazy for the
way I dressed. What'd you wear? One white glove covered with Ryan Stars?
Four Finger Discount, dude, Welcome to four Finger Discount, where this
week we're here to review an episode that's no longer exists. Stuck raving Dad.
I'm Dando, and I am the big white guy who thinks he's the
little black guy. No, just call me guy. You do like your
soul and everything? Now that, yeah? I do. Indeed, what
jazz instrument would you play if you were a jazz musician? Because you're a
very Miles Davis Askue fan, aren't you? I am so. I like
to think I would be a trumpet guy, although a sax guy would not
be bad either. DP of pants, that's the question. I was peeing
my pants before it was cool? Yeah? Yeah, Wor's we all well?
And we'll get you to continue to do so after it stopped for Yeah?
Yeah? Yeah. What was the point where you realize I don't care
if I'm not cool anymore. I'm waiting way past that now. But there
is a point I think it's maybe in your like mid to late twenties where
you go, I'm no longer like you go out to a night club.
I think it's the first thing to go to a nightclub and you realize these
people are like ten years younger than me. I'm the old guy to them.
Now, that's where you start going. I give a ship. Yeah,
it took a little while beyond the twenties. It was my thirties.
Yeah, I think when I because I think when I became a dad,
it was for me. I'm a dad now, so it's okay to be
uncol when you're a dad, right, Oh I imagine. So yeah,
so I don't have kids, so I'm what's your excuse. I'm constantly searching
for validation from the young generation. Have I got the Riz kids? I've
got the Riz right, and the future is now old man? Yeah,
no, no, you're right. Oh yeah, I'd probably be a trumpet
player, maybe a saxonist. The Lovely Louise's youngest son, musical prodigy Felix,
recently got his own saxophone over the weekend. He was very happy with
It's got inscriptions on it and up here hearing his infernal tootling on it.
I was like, oh man, I mean I wish I was more musical.
I mean, I clearly have a lovely singing voice. As listeners of
the podcast will know, that was a juke FIV see tune. There's plenty
of them. But no, I think I I like, I like the
idea of a trump but it just seems like a small compact instrument. You
know, you're not having to lug a whole. But you mean you a
tuba player, Nicholas A saxophonist. Is that a saxophonist? Saxophone saxophonist,
saxophonists. Yeah, she's writer. Remember she's great at it. Yeah,
she plays a lion because when she was the first thing she learned was to
play the Lion king songs on the saxophone. Yeah, she created it,
so you'll you'll get the occasional hakuna matata. Yeah. Wow, she's very
musical. Nicola, very very very talented. My wife, as is your
your lovely Louise your part, Well, her great talent was finding a good
boyfriend. Now you know who was very talented and still is is the Al
Jean, the Simpsons showrunner. Look you're about to say, Michael Jackson's like,
is there something you know that? And Mike Reese, who took over
from the show at the beginning of season three. This was their first episode
that went to air. They people fans of The Simpsons say that the Golden
Era started with this episode with season three. However, unfortunately, after they
is of Finding Neverland, the documentary they came out a few years ago.
I think that's what it's called, maybe Leaving Leaving Neverland, the movie is
Finding It, that's right, Leaving Neverland came out, and all the allegations
that Michael Jackson with you know, we've all we all know that the details
which had been circulating for a fair while before that documentary came out before these
two young men in particular went on the record. Yeah, there's a reason
they called him wacko Jacko, right, and then Al Jean I'm sure Mike
Reese as well, but Al Jean's one went on the recorder saying, we
took this out of circulation. This episode no longer available on streaming or on
free to air what you call it our syndication, Yeah, because we or
he believes that Michael Jackson used this episode to groom kids and when I had
never seen this until you sent it to me in preparation for this episode.
I never thought about it that way. I've always seen it as a bit
of a tragedy that this episode has been taken off the air because of it
felt like a snap judgment. All this documentary is coming out, we don't
want to be affiliated with it. Let's pull the episode. We don't want
the Simpsons to be thrown in like Michael Jackson was once on The Simpsons.
Let's quick, let's pull it away from circulation. He has gone on the
record it was worth the Daily Beast, the interview al Jean where he says,
I have no proof, it's just my gut feeling that he would have
used this to groom kids. I'm not saying he's right or wrong. It's
still a shame to we've lost the episode, but I can understand now why
it no longer exists because the guy who created it feels dirty. Oh yeah,
it feels complicit, and it's a shame that that happened. I was
surprised there's anyone to read that piece. By all that interview with Algene,
I hadn't really heard about it until I'll just the link for the interview in
the description of this because it's not all about that, but they use that
as the headline. Let's hook you in with this, that's right. I
think the reporter who did it it is a bit of a Marck breaker.
And yes, I'm not a huge fan, but yeah, the gist of
that article is about season three and about the sort of the birth of the
Golden age of the Simpsons. Yeah, but this is certainly comes up.
And Algae is not the only guy to talk about it. I mean James
L. Brooks has also gone on the record and saying, look, I'm
not for book burning, I'm not for censorship, but I think of it
as this is our book. I created it, and we're entitled to take
a chapter out of it if we choose to do so. Clear they chose
to do so. Now there's still a means to get access to the episode.
I'm holding up here, as you'll see, if you're watching this show
right now, hold up to the camera the season three box set. And
it was so lovely to pull out the box set. It felt like,
and I know all the othergations that are going around. I understand why it's
to the episode off, but it was so nice putting this episode, and
I think I've watched it for ten fifteen years. It was like seeing an
old friend, as weird as that may sound, because it's got the whole
MJA sort of taint to it now, but I just went, oh,
it's write this episod, So it's like rediscovering it again. I hadn't watched
it for so long, and it's just a shame that, Like, for
example, Alliott now he started watching The Simpsons a bit bit more often,
younger generations now won't really know the episode exist unless their parents say this one
exists too. Then it might be incumbent on parents and say, oh,
they may say why can't I see it on Disney Plus or why can't I
see it? And by any other means, and then you've got to but
then you've got all the other They put a little stinger at the start of
a Laddin and things like that, saying that doesn't reflect us. But I
guess there's nothing in the episode that reflects poorly. As how the episode they
he al Jean and James Brooks feel it might have been used. That's why
they've taken it down. So it's a different Yeah, that's right. I
mean, there's no sort of retrograde racism, no tobacco depictions, seeing a
lot of a lot of tobacco depictions in front of recent episodes of certain things.
I don't have the box set that you do. I had to obtain
my copy of Star Graving dad By. Well let's say it rhymes with Birasy.
Well there's a guy. I can't remember who it was, but could
I posted about it on our Twitter at four finger pot if you want to
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That's what the kids are tuning, ol Gene, we'll not be watching
what was I? He put the full episode on Twitter because Twitter is this
is a free for all now, there's no copyright, there's nothing, so
you can watch it for a friend on Twitter. If you just said a
lot of things are coming up on Twitter it's like, you'll see this posting.
Oh fuck it, here's the full movie of such and such. It
just came out, so you know it'll be on pirate bayeah and I'm just
uploaded to Twitter hang around forever. It's crazy. Here's the whole movie of
the flash. I'm like, I've got no desire to watch this, but
what it's there? Yeah, daddy, elon, you're not taking it down.
What's going on? Freedom of speech, baby, that's true. Piracy
be star grabbing. Dad. Do you think it's sad that it's been removed
from circulation. It's sad, but it's understandable. I think it's probably the
best way to put it right. Going back to what mister Brooks said.
You look, they wrote the book they're in told to take a chapter out
of it. I think for a show that is ostensibly a family show,
yeah, it may raise too many awkward questions. And I understand where el
Gene is coming from as well in that feeling and complicity that they may have
had something to do with the grooming of children. Yeh, the grooming of
children. And you don't want your name attached to that, I mean,
you just it would give you the ick but I had never heard anybody throw
that out there until he pitched that. So if he had never said that,
would you have ever assumed that, would you ever have gone, you
know what? He might have used this to groomed children. Was that mentioned
in the doco? I don't think it was. Was it? I don't
think so. No, I mean I can recall anyway. No, No,
I mean I remember watching the Neverland documentary when it came out. I
wrote a piece about it for or for the Music magazine when I was doing
my column for that didn't sound of like a debunk. I was saying they
met at a certain place, and that place wasn't built at the time in
which they said it was going to be there or something. I think you
had a lot of amateur sleuths going, well, this doesn't add up,
and this doesn't scan. There's no wind on the moon. It really felt
like grasping its straws in a lot of ways. I'm kind of inclined to
take certain allegations and certain accusations with a bit of a grain of salt and
until I get as much evidence as possible. Watching the evidence of these two
about to say young men, I mean they're still relatively young. I guess
when they were being interviewed for this docer, it's like, I'm one hundred
percent buying this. You can't, Well, you weren't there, so you
can't. Yeah. But these particular recollections and the way they expressed themselves,
the way they what they recollected, how they how they expressed that precise.
This feels very very precise, very authentic, very authentic. It very lived
in. Yeah. So this interview where he said about the glooming of children
was twenty nineteen. I don't think he'd said it beforehand, because when did
the docco come out Finding Neverland or Leaving Neverland? Sorry, hold to be
sometime in the I want to say, maybe twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
Leaving Neverland twenty nights. It was the same year, twenty five years ago.
I thought it was a lot longer than that. Time keeps on slipping
into the future. Man. But there's another point in the interview though,
where he the interviewer asks about how Michael Jackson because he wrote the Happy Birthday
Lisa's song, great song. I love the song, one of my favorite
Simpsons songs. It's a shame that won't get used anymore, heard anymore.
But he brings up the do you think there was something to the first kiss
from a boy? I'm thinking you're really trying to find something here that's that's
great, that's big strung, that's and I think al Jenevan said maybe.
I was like, no, no, no, no, no no,
that's just it felt like a year ten student trying to like overanalyze a film
for an essay. You know, it's he wrote us that it fits the
song. He wasn't trying to hide a hidden agender about loving boys in this
song. It was just he was. It rhymes with joy, it rhymes
with joy, and it's yeah, girls think about their first kiss from a
boy in not Anymore. But you know, in nineteen ninety two, what
when this air? Yeah? Ever since Katie Perry, it's all about kissing
girls. What's going on? Yeah? I don't think Michael Jackson spent hours
and hours coming up with the lyrics to Happy Birthday Lisa. I'm pretty sure
this was sort of dashed up on the back of the napkin. It felt
like it didn't really, but that was the charm to it, because that's
what was supposed to have been sure, I guess up or not writing it,
but anyway, Yeah, But overall though, I really enjoyed going back
and revisiting this episode. There's a lot that goes into the behind the scenes
of it. It's really really interesting. So Matt Granning says that he was
working back late at the office one night, which I'm sure I believe that
back Granny been the end of one back up the office working the way.
But anyway, so he says, and the phone rings, and it's Michael
Jackson saying I'd love to be a guest on the show. First of all,
I'm not sure Michael Jackson would just call up, but you know,
he says, that's what happened. It makes for a good story, and
that he wanted to be a guest and took me about a minute before he
actually believed him, which is what they did in the show with Bart refusing
to leave Leon until after about a minute or so. Absolutely, but yeah,
Michael Jackson calling up in the middle of the night. Can I be
speaking Mad Green? I'm a big fan of Simpsons. Yeah, I'm not
sure I buy that, but that's the story they're going with. Anyway.
Have you watched that documentary about the making of We Other World. It's on
Netflix at the moment. I've seen clips of it. There was like three
weeks of negotiations and phone calls and contracts and all this kind of stuff to
actually get that going on. I doubt very much that Michael Jackson, as
you said, is calling up at the middle of the night give me the
number for the Simpsons HQ the Rat's Room. My apologies to anyone who's a
big MJ fan me doing this god awful impersonation. Later on I to do
prints, but yeah, it strikes me as very print the legend that Matt
Granning would say, first of all, I was working late in the office
one night. No, not happening. Secondly, then it's Michael Jackson.
He's like, no, it's not happening. But let's cut out all the
did asking who his last four dates of the Grammys were the one as well,
So okay, we've got mutually issued distraction. But he did apparently he
did say to Matt that or one of the one of the workers that he
wants to give bart a number one single. So he wrote, do the
Bartman. Really, Michael Jackson won't do the butt man. I didn't know
that. Really, I did not know that. Yeah, yep, he
did. He is the He is the writer of Everybody you can do the
Bartman. That was Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, I'm on that bit from
south Park now, I know we touched him. Children. It's Michael Jackson,
a taxon, It's Michael Jackson. If you if you enjoy south Park,
check out out going down to south Park podcast and all your good podcast
platforms. But apparently his conditions were he couldn't sing. He could do the
spoken dialogue, but for some legal reasons, he could do the singing.
But they said when they did the first run through, he did sing the
songs and did everything, and they there's a there's a rumor going around that
he recorded his versions of Happy Birthday Lisa and all the other songs like Ben
when he sings Home, and at the last minute they were replaced with the
mj Ones. So we'll never know because they had Kick Lemon as the impersonate
answer. But apparently the sound guy has said no, no, that that
never happened. I was like, go with that man, Why ruined that
dream? Everybody? Just let's get our story straight. Yeah, yeah,
don't don't ruin this legend. You know, just if the legend was that
Michael Jackson wasn't allowed to at the last minute, he slipped it in the
last second, that make him cool? Are we glad to say that he
was he was talented as a musician. Yeah, it's just it's weird.
It's weird as it been long enough. Now we can sort of talk about
him as a as a talent. Or Yeah, this is something we were
talking about the other day, wasn't it, because we started talking about various
canceled individuals. Yeah, and how Yeah, sadly, there are a lot
out there who were very, very good at what they did. This is
probably why they were able to reach positions of influence or power where either they
were able to commit misdeeds or their misdeeds could be swept under the rug.
Yeah. I mean a lot of people who are now regarded as monsters being
punished for their crimes were actually pretty good at what they did. Or it's
a I think we're talking sations. We were talking about the people who are
associated with them. So for example, people saying we can't watch that movie
anymore, but what about all the people that were working on that film who
put their blood, sweat and tears into their role or behind the camera or
whatever it was of writing the movie. Now all their hard work is forgotten
about because of one individual. It's it's a weird thing to it really is.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of a cancelation for that. For that
reason, It's like, I don't hire them going forward, but let's not
cancel everything that they were in previously, because that means everyone else who worked
on that project as well vantalized. That's right, yeah, as have we.
I think someone with the magnitude of talent and influence and I guess reach
that Michael Jackson had is never going to be holy forgotten and there's always going
to be an asterisk next to their name. It's like Thriller, you know,
biggest album of the nineteen eighties, Michael Jackson, you know, incredible
run of Grammy Wins and all this kind of business. Also accused of Mollestone
Couch. I did love the story of they did the run through at Michael
Jackson's manager's house, and so they said the first thing they've been through is
to Michael Jackson. The second time they were there, to a lot record
or whatever, on the second run through, and his other guy just walks
in, Kip Lemon. It's sings of songs and I didn't tell the sims
of stuff that was gonna happen. That was sort of going it is where
you sing, and Michael Jackson just sat there silently, and this Kip leman
just bought into the room as I was singing the songs, and they're like,
this is weird, what's going on here? I would appreciate their heads
up on this one, Mike. Apparently Dave caslen Netta was twenty minutes late
to it as well. Oh boy, which doesn't help. No, but
yeah, I would have loved if he if he's even if his versions were
available somewhere, I'd love to hear him singing the Lissa in It's such a
happy song, you know it is. It is very nice. I think
when you got to when you've got a sister, I got a sister,
you want them to be happy. I do. Having said this, bitches,
no, no, my beloved sister Margot, who probably does not listen
to this podcast, I missed your birthday, Margo. You missed it.
I did. It was Saturday and I still haven't gotten in touch. I'm
sorry, my mom, Are you serious? You've realized you forgotten? So
are you just scared to get in touch now? Or what do you do?
Is it a case of your trying to think of a present. It's
like memento I'm remembering every twenty minutes. That's like call Margot. And I
was like, but I've got other stuff to do. I've got to record
this podcast. I've got other stuff to do. Well, I know,
as soon as we're done here, I'll be calling Margot. She's just sitting
there. Happy birthday, Margo. She's just sit at the kitchen table the
party had on Happy Birthday, gotten a bit of charm. My mom came
by the other day and said, now, were you sick on the weekend?
I said, no, no, lose had COVID. But now i'm
more aker because you missed Margot's birthday. You didn't call Margot. I'm like,
she must have complained to Margaret. Mary's mum was probably like, how
did you hear? Remember? What did I get you? Yeah? Well
you took her presence? No not really, really, you're a shit brother.
Get me presents? Really? No? No, we're just more like,
have a call, send a card, milestone birthdays cards are insulting to
me. I'm not a fan of greeting cards and birthday cards when you're a
little kid, so be it. But I don't know, just a waste
of money. You can just write that message. Do you kick the cards?
Not all? No, I don't know. Just nick Nickola is my
wife for you viewers and listeners, a huge fan of the card. If
I don't get her a card, she's really really sad. I've just never
cared. I just I just feel I'm spend an extra five bucks on my
present. Please, I don't want a card. I wholly understand where you're
coming from. I mean, I'm not necessarily someone who's like you forgot my
birthday or where's my card? Or where's my friends? This may and this
will lead into something I want to talk about in just a sec. But
I do feel bad that I haven't contacted her at the very least. I
mean, I think we're we will reach the stage because I mean, I'm
the youngest and I'm in my fifty As as long as you feel bad,
that's all matters. That is all that about. Now here's what I wanted
to talk about with this with this episode. One thing that I didn't really
like. I don't like people putting pressure on someone to celebrate their birthday.
I thought the same as well. I get that Lisa has been forgotten time
and time again by Bart, but it just felt a bit much of going,
well, I'm discerning you now you're no longer my brother. It felt
a bit over the I get it, she's eight, I've got I've wrote
my notes. I understand she's over dramatic. She's eight years old, so
you can understand an eight year old wild feel this way. If an eight
year old had their birthday forgotten, you can imagine they would respond this way.
But I didn't feel like you're pushing it. It's like I never got
my sister or present. When I was ten. My parents got a present
for my sister. I helped to pick it out or whatever, but expecting
Bart to get her a present. But I guess she only wanted one,
even it was just made, but she just didn't really want He didn't want
to give her a present. Yeah, I'd realize that it has to happen
for the events of the story to unravel as they do. Unfold as they
do. It's also if they had nothing to do, nothing for it to
do. That's right, Yeah, that's right. So for her to be
constantly pushing and almost committing this emotional blackmail, when did you shut up?
Put a lot of shit going on your Mark Jackson coming to the house.
But did margin Homer forget as well? I don't think they did. We
never see them give her a present. I'm trying. I'm trying to remember
the timeline of this episode, or when is her actual birthday? It's when,
it's not when they it's when Leon shows up. I think, well,
it must be when he shows up. It's not the morning they sing
the song. That's that's late, isn't it. Yeah, that's right.
So the morning of the following day or something. I can't recall. I
just know she's sitting at the at the kitchen table crying. My favorite what
are you favorite moments in the episode? I think they were more Homer related
than anything else. I've only eve betten one here because obviously was just entralled
with the episode. But I just love that. That's one of my favorite
gifts of all time. I did enjoy Homer watching funny his own video.
Yeah, don't gone Fire, Don't go fire, cracky up at doc fire,
look at him like the dog on fire. But that was there was
once upon a time when a funny Stone videos was a thing, don't I
know it? Yeah it is a still kind of magic because now it's just
vile clips on the internet. But he used to be in Australia. Sit
down seven thirty on a Tuesday and you need to watch Australia's funny Stowe video.
You will be told Australia, Australia, this is you, this is
you. That's right. Yeah, and look at him and he'd be so
tough if like your favorite one. It's like they want a car at the
end of the year. It's like, hey, kid fell out to fight
the stairs. You were a car. We're bringing back. We're bringing back
this season's champions. Remember kid who fell downstairs? Fat guy on waters slag.
So I like that very much. I loved I loved home. At
the end, Michael Jackson aka Leon has made his impassioned speech about you know
who can see who's crazy or not not me. I got this. He's
got his very proud that he's not crazy. I love the stamp as well.
The revelation of the reveal of Homer's test results and he gets dragged off.
There's cavil Man, he wears his pants. Then another great callback to
Bart, isn't it? And the one thing a line that I'd always remember
but I've forgotten, was from this episode. Well, I think it's Kennie.
Don't be sure your face around here again? Your tool? That was
Nelson? Was that Nelson? Yeah? When they realized that MJ Isn't had
a different maybe sort of pitch of voice. Okay, I'm pretty sure it
was Nelson. I could be wrong. Yeah, yeah, one of the
bound here again, your tool? I think it was Kenney, an established
bully at this point. I'm pretty sure the three bullies were Jimbo, Dolph
and Nelson. Could be could well be Nelson, Yeah, it could be
wrong. What else did you enjoy? Yeah? Yeah, this had the
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you there eating the bast trivia questions. Mister Dames, it's time for some
trivia. What's your first question? Oh, I'm going to go first.
You are please recite to me the crusty hotline number one nine zero nine is
zero nine? Oh, you clown, mrrect I'm pretending I didn't know,
but that's my first question. My first question then, for you is what
does the sign at the new Bedlam Mental Asylum say. There's a sign on
the wall and they're walking in m It says you have to be You don't
have to be crazy to be committed, but that helps. Yes. In
Lisa's poem, what kind of car hit Snowball? Chrysler? It was a
Chrysler? I forgot that was in this episode. She lies, lies,
she died, No deal? So is it he lied, he lied,
she died, she died, she died, she died. You know the
answer this one, but read it out for me. The four Dates,
Brooke Shields, Diana ros Emmanuel Lewis aka Webster and Bubbles and Bubbles the monkey?
Was he just the monkey the chimp? So did he just have a
chimp follow him around? Like mister teeny? What was the deal with Bubbles?
I've heard of Bubbles, but I wasn't old enough to sort of live
through it. Yeah, I don't know if Bubbles accompanied MJ everywhere, But
did you have him out in public? This monkey? I think if you
went to Neverland, yeah, you would invary it with. You would invariably
meet and probably interact with Bubbles. Just comes across like a guy who had
so much money that he just did not to do with it anymore. And
he was just what was his case of he was trying to create a youth
that he never got to live. That seemed to be the thing, wasn't
it. That seemed to be the armchair psychologist opinion, because he had a
shit upbringing. You had all the money in the world, Yeah, but
he was You know that they're making this buyer pic about Michael Jackson right now,
just called Michael an apparent. Of course it is sly starring like his
nephew or something like that as young Michael. And so when's it says that
his whole life? I think it's I think it's his whole life. But
it's one of those ones like straight out of Compton or where the Jackson family
is Like the executive producer, it's like, Okay, you've got the rights
that we're going to rewrite history of everybody pretty much. Yeah, we've got
the rights that we'll give you the rights of the songs, but in return,
you're gonna have to whitewash some of this less savory stuff baps or just
you'll allude to it, but you know, for the sake of like being
upfront and honest. Which is weird because I felt they did the opposite for
the Freddie Mercury Behemi Raapsody film. They made it come across so much worse
than what he actually was. Like the band split up and he wouldn't get
back together, and they want to do live aid and he did, and
I'm thinking, none of this happened. Why do you fabricated such bullshit?
Yeah? I don't know. I mean, I watched Bohemian Rhapsody once and
I'm like, I've got no desire to ever see this. So many people
say to me. I've had people say to me, oh, it's such
a great story. It's such a good film. I didn't realize that happened.
I was like, it didn't happen. Though, none of this happened.
It's just I understand writer's license, but I don't know, just maybe
I watched it going Freddie Mercury comes across a real douchebag. Don't you feel
that he came across a bit of a douche threat a good portion of the
last half of that movie. I don't really recall that much of it in
Unstein, just it was a lot of this huge craze for about six months.
Wasn't he won? What did he win the Academy Award for it?
He did? Yeah? I mean I like me Malick as an actor,
but it was badwagon. Yeah, b Timezone because we all love queen songs.
Correct, Yeah, I'll all follow a question for you, Daly Lama
visited when nineteen fifty two one of your questions, correct, were just coming
to each other question? Indeed? Indeed? But might I ask you one
more? Yeah? What is Leon Kompowski's hometown? Brooklyn Patterson, NW Jewey
Patterson, New Joysey. Alrighty, So the original air date of Stark Graving
Dad was September nineteenth, nineteen ninety one, production Code seven F two four,
written by al Jeina, Mike Reese and directed by Rich More. The
episode we do have the chop ball gag as well, so we do season
eighteen reviews and there's no chalk gag and like kind of stuff. But the
chop boy gag, I am not a dentist. And the couch gag,
the couch tips over backwards, sending the Simpsons family through the wall. That's
just a fairly old school, not elaborate couch gag. It's just like,
and something happens. Yeah, yeah, even just the cauch gags like this.
Yeah, they take me back because when you do season eighteen, it
just doesn't feel the same. Never. The episode kicks off with Lisa waking
up Bart, which is what he does at the end of the the episode.
She wakes up at six am. Something's happened. Dad died, and
he's actually don't believe he's actually relieved. Believe. Yeah, but it's almost
Lisa's birthday and she's worried about becoming double digits and as Bart says, you
know, that's when your legs start to go. And Kenny doesn't taste as
good anymore, and he's always She says that he's always disappointed her, and
he finally gives in and says that he will get her a present. And
I do agree. It's just the pressure to be given a present felt un
Lisa, Like it did, didn't it. H Yeah, she seems like
someone who should be I don't need physical objects. Make a donation to Peter.
Peter feed the starving child. But Marge asked Bart in the kitchen to
watch Maggie while she goes and gets some laundry. He calls a crusty hotline.
Doesn't pay an attention if you haven't asked your parents. Nerdy, nerdy,
but Chirsty forgives you. By the way, how long was the how
much for the first minute, and how much read traditional metals? Two dollars
for the first and fifty cents after. I'm pretty sure there's no beating you.
No, no, it's photographic memory. But the thing is, it
took me back. I've got my notes here. Hot lines take me back.
Remember when hot lines for me it was cheats for video games. You
call this hot line for five dollars a minute. We can tell you how
to enter this combo for Eddie Gordo on Teke and three Did you ever go
up any hot lines and things like that? For me? It was phone
sex? Okay, yeah, I still do that. Does phone sex still
exist? I'm not sure it does. I guess it must. I'm sure
there's like an app for it or something, but I can't imagine there's one
nine hundred call me call me now, I always say, and they call
me now, we're waiting for your cool. That was probably like some seventy
year old. She just got a really hard voice. That's right. Yeah,
what are you wearing? Oh? Hotlines? But you know, Crush
just laughs at the entire time, makes his money call back tomorrow, and
then Maggie grabs the fan. Not I like podcasts, No, Marge makes
the fan. Marge walks in Caesar she ever powered me? Then have an
easy shirt for work, and unfortunately they're all pink. And it's also Bart's
fault with the lucky red hat. Indeed, quick question, did Homer always
have that hairy chest? It was always been curly. Yeah, yeah,
I just never picked up on it. No, this is the first time
I thought was just like smooth chest days or in the early days. Anyway,
you always had the curly hairs on his chest. Yeah. I don't
remember seeing this episode, but that's what he usually looks like anyway. But
I love the line here of I'm not popular enough to be different. That's
so true in many aspects. When you're growing up, you just I can't
be different. Only the cool kids can be quirky. Have you ever worn
a pink shirt? I own several pink shirts, but purple. Do you
recall the first time that, I mean, was there ever any sort of
trepidation about the first time you put one on? I remember the first time
I wore it out to a nightclub, and I was very anxious, but
I thought I looked good. But I thought, if someone comments on this,
it's going to break me. I'm going to go home straight up.
And yes, but straight away. I remember these two girls, Emily I
always say, last Nights is the last name? Emily and Kate? How
wish Emily and Kate said, oh, nice shirt. I remember I first
thinking are they taking the mickey? It's genuine? And then I realized they
weren't. I won't explained how when they ripped it off my buddy. Yeah,
but then I realized I know it's okay, and it was because even
fifteen years ago, wear a pink shirt was now it's whatever. You wear
no shirt to a nightclub, but you feel like you look good, but
you're scared to see what people or other people think. That's cool when you
should't. You should feel I you feel comfortable, you should just wear it.
It depends on your coloring as well, I mean share the pink.
Yeah. All the lovely Louise often told me, it's like, colour is
not really you it color? Is that anything that's like anything that's not black
pretty much anything outside black, black, gray or blue? No, Because
I mean, I'm I am kind of partial to purple. I don't I
think it's I like wearing it not not necessarily an all purple apbit. I'm
not prince. That was Michael Jackson. What am I talking about? But
we have the Prince a little bit later in the show. We will.
Indeed, I recall we were at some shop and I was like, Oh,
I really like this Polis shirt. In this column. I don't know
how many times I've told you this is not your color. It does not
suit your personal coloring, is it? But is it that she doesn't think
you look good in it? Or is it that most people will think her
opinion is the only one that matters. Yeah, most people try to look
good for my person actio. Yes, that is correct, and it's yourself.
Guy, David, you feel you look good in purple? We're damn
purple. I will, you'll buy your purple shirt for your birthday. I've
got a Wayne's World shirt that's purple, and I've had it since I reckon
I was seventeen. Still fits me. It's one of those shirts where I
judge whether I need to lose some weight. I put the shirt on too
tight. I need to lose a bit of weight. I've told you we've
talked about the aspirational shirt. Yeah, yeah, might fit into mine now,
Oh really yeah, that's one. So I put it on a couple
of weeks ago. I would pick up Alien. I thought still got it,
baby, I'd still got it, and I referred to my gut.
No, you're looking great, looking, looking really really good. So yes,
So basically, Homer's shirt is now pink. It's all over. March,
It's all over. And then he's revealed here that as Bart's hat,
as we said, March is no one's going to notice. I really like
the scene the shot here of him walking in all the workers all wearing white
and he's wearing the pink and burns. Is not a fan of it at
all? Is he some sort of free thinking anarchist. It's one of your
boobs from sect to seven g yes, and these color monitors are peete for
themselves. Then Lenny gives Homer a pink frosting donut and hang and shit,
and you can imagine this is what it would happen in a factory. Oh
yeah, wearing a pink shirt not cool. It doesn't make him a pink
donut either, No, no, but he does like it though. He
does love pink frost pink. Are you a chocolate donut or a pink donut?
I was alway chocolate as a kid. I'm pink all the way now.
I think I would be a pink donut. Yeah. Maybe it's the
Simpsons influence. I don't know, but I prefer when it comes to sweets,
strawberry pink is over chocolate. Ending out the week for me. Having
said that, a combination of the two is very nice. I mean,
did you ever I think are American friends called bis quick, but we call
it quick oh quick, yeah, yeah, you combine the two flavors,
I can bind chocolate and strawberry. Was that amazing? It's pretty damn Did
you ever get banana? Bananna was like the one that you go got if
if everyone else is running out. This is what I'm about to say.
I'm very partial to banana flavoring. I think you might have said that you're
you're the kid that liked the weird things, because no one ate banana.
Quick he went to your friend's house. The bananas a banana or banana big
m Yeah no, yeah. And I was at the the n QR.
I went there with Alliott maybe three days ago. He was in heaven.
He walked in, he goes, look at all these lullies, look at
all these lolo prices. Well, we would have gone to the same n
QR. It's just around the corner from Dando's pad if you do live around
here. They've got three dollar limp bunnies, which are perfect for Easter time.
That is correct. Friend of the pot. The other thing they had
though, And while I'm trying to be on something in their healthcare, this
is too good to pass it because it's not something that you often see in
Australia. And even beyond that, it's kind of like a added affordable price.
It's a variant of I love when they get the US of variants and
shit, yeah it was banana flavored Twinkies. I still wouldn't eat it,
but I can imagine you would have loved it. I bought the box,
the whole box. Yeah, yeah, well they went certain an individually.
Okay, yeah, you had to get a box of ten. I'm like,
you feel like an absolute boss when you just drop the box on the
cannon too. You're like, all of them, give it to me,
Give it to me, because Nicholas, she loves these protein bars and it
usually cost six dollars each. Right at the supermarket, they've got it for
a dollar fifty each. What I bought three boxes of them? What dollar
fifty? They all went out date like six months ago, but it's still
a dollar fifty. There's I think barely is the difference between the best before
date and the used by use by. Don't go past that best before Yeah,
that's fine. Just blow it a bit and be fine by stuff.
When you chuck with the scraped little white bits off it lou was cleaning out
of her cupboards not long ago. I think I might have told this story,
and you know, you double up on various things like oh, I'm
out of so and so. Well, oh, wait a minute, there
were actually three bottles way back in the cupboard. We're cleaning out of the
cupboard, and there was I think we did like maybe four, four or
five big garbage bags of this like this past is to use by date or
whatever, and there was some where it's like I think that's the best before
I'm trying it out and said, well, man, maybe i'll take that
back tonight. It took like a big bag of stuff that had best before
or was just past its use by data like oh users the next couple of
days she was looking at me like I was some kind of freak. I
had a good memory as you were talking. Then, I've very rarely seen
my mum drunk. It was just speaking of things sort of like in the
back of a closet. And my mom used to have this is it port
like port? Oh yeah, but it was a Geelong Cat's football one right
that she got just as a present for I was born, right, someone
said, and I said, when the Cat's win the flag. You can
drink this, right, And of course the Gelong Cats in the AFL here
we're in the eighty nine, ninety two, ninety four, ninety five Grand
Final. I never won them, so it just sat and used to sit
on the on the bench at our house for years, decades, right,
and I'm never for getting two thousand and seven when the Cats won the Grand
Final and I said, Mom, you can drink that port now. And
to see Mum get drunk on his port was just like such a great many
was like Mom's finally finally gets to drink his port, Like nineteen years later,
she's finally drinking his port. Yeah, dear port, I can't drink
it anymore. I got absolutely shit faced on it, like New's Eve around
maybe nineteen eighty nine or something, and maybe it was the same same batch.
It could Oh I forgot where I was, but it was at like
some event. There were like little shot glasses of port, you know,
because you don't have it in big glasses. You have it like it's a
minded little bits of it. And I had like maybe six or seven maybe
more. Mom had a Sharon size drinking it, and I just got I
I ended up ushering in the new year, out in the garden, just
puking my guts out. Don't let mom seem pretty much. I have not
drunk port since. Okay, let's go pinky. You don't understand my son
just threw his red head and with the white laundry spear me the tire semantics
of the Simpson family take him away. You know, mister Burns, his
body cavities are to reveal nothing, and we must have actuated him one hundred
times. Maybe he's telling the truth. Well, perhaps you toured in Coots
Smith. There's anything to recall. You had a pension for Bill Bedham trousers
back in seventy nine, sir, that was my costume from the plant.
Production of him has been off for it. No years. Of course,
you spirited horn pipe stool the shoes, I recall. But then we get
an appearance from doctor Marvin Monroe. Yeah, I forgot that he was in
this episode, and he says that he used to take months to find out
if someone was insane. But now thanks to what oh I forgot take home
personality test. That's right, I knew it was the test of Yeah,
it answered twenty questions and determined how crazy sugar no sugarn someone is. I
love it when normally Krusty is the mouthpiece for one of all expressive Yiddish terms,
but I like it when someone else gets to throw one in. But
then he asked Marge to fill in the forms because she won't do it.
Then he asked Lisa, and this is where we get the whole meditation of
an eight year old or thoughts of an eight year old. Basically her poem
man it had meditation, I think in ruminations or something terribly pretentious. Liza,
you like homework? Could you fill out this form for me? Well,
all right, if you listen to the poem I just wrote. Meditations
are Turning eight by Lisa Simpson. I had a cat named Snowball. She
died. She died. Mama said she was sleeping. She lied, she
lied. Why why is my cat dead? Couldn't that Chrysler hit me instead?
I had an amster named Snuffy. He died, she lied, she
lied. Hoad is bowling. There, It's just the perfect. Now can
you say no deal now without doing the X? No deal? I think
I can. People on the Deal and odeal show just love doing it.
No deal actually Champion. By the way, this is an audio thing,
but we were actually doing the no Deal No Deal. Yeah, so he
has Bart here, but it's not sure. It's not that time you let
me vote for you. But Homer watches funny Stone videos as Bart's doing it
and baby with a nail gun, dog on fire, Dog on fire,
dog on fire. It just says yes to everything here and unfortunately he does
not pass the test, and so that's Kaffman. He wets his pants so
good. He's then taken to New Bedlam. The mental asylum is you got
to say that these days mental asylum, mental hospital, I think mental hospitals,
even a mental hospital. Well it is be your mental health. Yeah,
that is true, mental health hospital. Maybe. Yeah, it's the
rest hope for the emotionally interesting. Apparently that's what the science says. Lovely
ephimis. They show him the ink spots and the boy, the boy.
That's actually a great payoff. Later there is a buck, but they stamp
his hand. He's insane and whoever has this stamp isn't he? Then he's
thrown in with the big white guy who thinks he's a little black guy and
cue Michael Jackson. Well, I'm Homo Simpson from the Simpsons. Homer doesn't
know who Michael Jackson is, unfortunately, does the Billy Jean dance, does
the moonwalk? What's that thing? And you know what, what are you
throwing it for? For wearing one white glove? Kevin and Rahyinstein's and the
kids now watching Itchy and Scratchy. It has banged the cat slowly. I've
got here. They showed the kids laughing at it. They looked hideous.
The animation here was, oh, really terrible. It's worth going back if
you can find access to this episode. Check out Spartan Lisa laughing at this
scene. It's really bad. Just looks like a you know when they said
in the earlier episodes where they said they they had to delete, although they
had to go back and reanimate some episodes. It was Summer Chanted Evening.
It felt like the animation from that is really really bad. But Lisa hints
he that you know, we're about that present and as barsis, you want
that once a year empty gesture, You've got it, And I guess that's
what a lot of it is. Isn't it your birthday? Better get you
a present? I guess so, and then we're at the mental health hospital
and he introduces Frank the Idiot. He's an idiots advance. It is advant
Yeah, that's the term that's sort of fallen out of favor. Hmm yes,
and fight by no wow, and the chief who's the chief from the
chief is from One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest Vaness. It's nineteen sixty eight.
Nobody else getting in that time. Somebody reached out to me. I
think there is another it's not not as obvious Cookoo's Nest reference, but there
is someone a little bit later who looks like Jack Nicholson as McMurphy from Really
Well, it's just sitting in the hospital. No, no ask. I
think Homer's asking how do I get out of it? Yeah? There's one
way eating the nurse oh yeah yeah, And he looks a bit like Jack
Nichols and that nurse that look too bad. She's probably you have to be
tough to work in the place like that, I'd imagine absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah, you get a lot of shit thrown at your own just yeah,
literally and metaphoric. But he calls home, what are the other places on
the on the speed died? Did you see I did Larry Kings show oprah
Rado and then it just said got a field on who and a ski report?
Why ski report that? I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure the
joke there's somewhere that I've missed. But he's too embarrassed the course against Michael
to call for him. Just crematorium, you'll kill him. We grillham.
Hello, who is this? Bert Simpson? Who the hell are you?
I'm Michael Jackson, the Michael Jackson. No way, it's true. I'm
with your father in a mental institution and he's Elvis with you. He could
be. It's a big hospital. That's always been the thing, isn't it.
Alvis is still alive. That's sort of that they're still to this day
used two Park and Alvis. They're the two ones. Yeah, I mean,
there was that whole thing about Paul McCartney is dead and Elvis is still
alive. People actually believe Pau McCartney's dead. That's wild to me. And
they believe that Pau mcartney's and an imposta, so weird. He's there,
He's simply having a wonderful Christmas time all the time. I'm not a huge
fan of that song. Though I like, it just felt very just.
You listen to it and you go, Paul was just trying to make money
with this. He's like, I'm gonna write a Christmas ching. You just
put that in there to be commercial. Yeah. How many times have I
said, though, that's we should do that. We should knuckle down and
write a Christmas song and then we're just on Easy Street forever. Yeah,
man RYA Kerrey, what a resurger she's had every every December twenty five,
Yes, it was December first. She cracks out of the ice, but
he wants him to stand the line whilst goes and tells his friends and family.
But he says, you know you better up. And then was he
said, you don't et you dad to have a little botomy. You want
you dad out of you are sure you're right? Basically, Hom's like he's
worried's never gonna get to he reasure its home. I don't worry, you
will get out the only one get out. As you said, eating the
norse wise guy voice. It's a little wise guy. I mean I think
it was wise guy voice. Yeah. Also trying to put that nickelsony and
sneering. Yeah, yeah, Marge shays that I told you one day,
he's dad to the crazy house, poor house, crazy house, poor house.
He's a shame to admit to to MJ that he is scared. That's
a big deal for a guy, even to this day, to admit that
they're scared. Oh, very much. Yeah, because we're just we're raised
to think you've got to be tough and strong. And I think i've ever
I've seen my dad cry once was when a family member passed away. But
did you ever see Bobby cry very even not very often? Once? Yeah,
yeah, and that was that was very bracing. Yeah. I do
like the idea though, of like Homer admitting to another guy, I'm scared.
You know, he obviously is scared. He's ever going to get out
and is where Leon slash MJ sings Ben or Homer. I've always liked this.
Oh it's just a nice little spin on it. But then pancakes football,
This slayed in my household when I was boobies and bubbles. Is going
to be a long night. Then it's time for a therapy session. And
we've got Dave here who suffers from agoraphobia, just baby smoking and group therapy
as well. It's like, yeah, nineties or magical time. Marge pleads
to the doc. You know, don't just don't mention, but there really
is a but good lot. Marge is very well dressed. She's picking up
when she's pleading her case. That's like she's going to prison. Yeah,
prison. But she embraces Homer and he's revealed here there's not a threat to
yourself or others in writing. Please and they give him They're not Insane certificate,
a diploma diploma. Yeah, and Michael says that he can come home
as work with only there voluntarily because you're sad When in the nineteen seventy nineties
Off the Wall record only one or was nominated for one lousy Grammy? That
sounds about right? Yeah? Is that true? Shall we look it up?
Off the Wall? I feel like Off the Walk won everything. It's
just so renowned. But it's got rock with you on it, which is
one of my favorite Michaels. What's the other one? I want to be
starting something? Oh that's on Thriller? Or is it on bad lem on
the Boogie? That's Off the Wall, right, isn't it? I think
so? Or? Yeah? Is that just a Michael song? Or is
it a Jackson's Oh you could be right there. Off the Wall. Let's
get the track listing for Off the Wall. It's his first album. I
remember having it owing it track listing scroll out to the bottom. God,
damn was a little bit much. But don't stop to you get enough.
That's what I'm thinking of a dub it. You got rock with you,
working day and night. Off the Walk, Girlfriend, She's out of my
life. It's falling in love. That's they're the singles that were released from
it. Yeah, I'm say my mom, Samakusa. Great record, and
then it was Thriller just changed everything, right, Thriller changed a lot of
things. Yeah, it was particularly like music videos, didn't they? Oh
yeah, absolutely? I mean, wasn't it an event to actually see the
full It was an event to watch the making of Thriller. Really, that's
pretty cool. That really spawned MTV, didn't It was a TV a thing
before that. MTV was a thing before that. But I think certainly took
you took just sort of, yeah, we can make movies out of this
now. Yeah. So back home though, so they're all happy at that
at the at the mental health hospital. But back home, Lisa is sad
she's seeing Happy birthday to herself, Happy birthday to me, Happy birthday,
Happy birthday. Oh I look to me child, happy birthday too. You
do feel bad for her that they've forgotten her on her birthday. But there's
a lot going on. There is a lot going on. Still, it's
a daughter. But then we get they call home, Joe's taxid him and
you snuff them. We stuffed them. I feel like you couldn't say we
snuff him anymore, could you. I don't think he could right on a
kid show, we snuff them or you snuff them. I think it's a
perfectly acceptable alternative to Yeah, maybe all right, But he pretends so.
But this was basically Homer calling up home and he threatens Bart but then he
pretends he's been nice when the dog's looking at what's going on here, and
he says he's bringing Michael Jackson home to make sure there's plenty of cold cuts
and beer on ice, But unfortunately is a vegetarian. Are you sure you're
here voluntarily? I'm a vegetarian. I didn't drink. Yes, promises not
to tell anybody, but he can't help it, so he just tells you
just does he know, and of course it spreads all the way through even
to the bulletin on KBBL radio. And they're going to play an extra long
version of it in the Gada Divita. Is that so they can go out
and see Michael. I think it must be in a garda divida is already
long, yes, so extra long version, yes, So that's what they
That's what Bart uses in. Bart seals his soul. By the way,
it was in the Garden by Iron Butterfly, great song, yes, who
then closes for the first time ever so clear it's a big deal here in
spring for the Michael Jackson is coming to town. But then over here is
the helicopter over the over the house, and the mayor announces that they're going
to announcing the new expressway, the Michael Jackson Expressway. And so this is
post bad but pre dangerous dangerous. Was eighties, wasn't it? I thought
it? I thought it went thriller, bad dangerous And what is black and
white? Michael Jackson album Black or White? Just have a Look So dangerous?
Was ninety one for the same year? Ish? Okay, yeah,
all this what when when ninety wanted to come out? I think in twenty
sixth November. So this air before Dangerous? Yeah, so it thriller was
I was eighty I thought three was eighty okay, so eighty two bad was
eighty seven? Yeah? What was the one that had him bo is a
history where he's like a statue on the front. Yeah, and that's like
mid nineties. That's the one I remember the most of the kid because all
the singles when I was growing up on video hits used to put the album
cover next to the song title. I think that was like you and Loon.
What was the earth song on that one? Oh yeah, let's remember
the time. I think the remember get a better Please God, I haven't
thought about that song for so long. Yield the wood, make it a
better pace for you and for me. Great guy, maybe not the best
babies that no, apparently not no, but I all think Michael Jackson's going
to be coming to Springfield though. Leon gets out of the car and they
realized, oh, he's three hundred pounds, he's white, he's just with
that flare all things that have been leveled at you'rs truly. Yes. Everyone
then leaves and gets a punched. Thank's aroun here again your tool? Yeah,
then Lisa asks about the present, and she's afraid to ask. You
should trust your instincts on that one. So she basically is gonna delete him
from her life. She's very sad about this. Homer tries washing off the
stamp, but it's not coming off, and Michael overhears Lisa writing the letter
to Bart. Dear Bart, I am using the stationary Mom and Dad gave
me for my birthday to inform you that we are now brother and sister in
name only. Perhaps if a professional so advice is I'll give you a hut.
It's a far distant family reunion, but rest assured there will be purely
for a show. It's a bit dramatic, but I guess she's eight year
old, Yes, eight year old. But he goes and tells Bart,
you know, let's go write a song to show that you can. You
know when I was your age six girl records. It's like, you're actually
fucking crazy. You didn't and basically, what was what is it that makes
him think? No, it's the it's a threat of not So he goes,
you could not write a song for your sister, or you could take
advantage of potentially having Michael Jackson, and he's like, Michael, it's like
you just wanted to believe. It's Colin. When you say things like sometimes
you just choose to believe. It's like when you clap your hands to say
you believe in fairies to bring tinker Bell back to life. Have you ever
done that? I think I did it once. It did it work?
It did on Yeah, it actually did. When you're a kid, though,
and you know it's not true. We discussed this in South Park.
You know it's not real. But there's still that fear of saying bloody Mary
three times in the mirror. Never a sleeper. There's that one kid that's
gonna do it. Don't do it times, don't do it again, don't
do it. But they he writes the Gasoline Song about Lisa. Her name
is Lisa, and so I'm not going to go down. Well, so
they go to look at Lisa. She looks sad, she's discussed, she
knows we're looking at her, but she still would have been sad. But
then they write the song I really call me crazy, but I really love
the draining wheels. Come after your bag about dad boys, you like whatever.
I was like, even that is like a jingle like Michael Jackson just
had it man. Indeed, and even if he does throwing a yeah to
be commercial, that's fine. Yes, that was his thing. But they
enter Lisa's room the following morning and they sing one of my favorite sims of
songs of all time, the Happy Birthday Lisa and just I always had this
thing when I was a kid, I always said that when my sister gets
married, I'm gonna I was gonna sing, Stacey, it's your wed ding.
I was gonna like change the words for that. That was always my
thing, say to get married, I can do it. Please married.
Yeah, it's such a happy song. Someone's marrying Stacy. Yeah. And
you just we you loving good will. I love that song. I know
it's deleted and I'm not almost likely groomed children apparently, well that's the that's
the belief, but I do, I do love that song. Homer is
still sleeping. You know you slipped me with he's not in saying award next
and they thank Michael. This is where his voice changes and he reveals that
he's actually on Compowski from Patterson New joy Ysy And to make a tire point,
which one of us is crazy me I got this and you're a credit
to Dementia. By the way, Yes, the voice is now switched to
Hanker's area is a Hank Now Hank is doing There we go and that's the
end of the episode. Yeah, as he's seeing that a list it's And
they have a actual version of the song over the closing credits as well,
they do, indeed, but probably still sung by what's his name, Kip
Lemon? Lemon. Yeah, I love this episode. I'll always love this
episode. It's a shame that it's not existing anymore in you know, in
streaming or whatever. Understandable. But if you can go get a DVD or
access it and find it, find access to it somehow, because it's it's
great. It's a great use of a guest start. So weird, isn't
it It is? Indeed, Yeah, I don't think it's anything that anyone
was expecting at all, least of all Matt Groening when he was working later
at the otherice that night and got a call from Michael Jackson. And Michael
Jackson didn't even use his name in the credits. He's referred to as John
J. Smith, not the initial J. The word J A Y I
wonder if they marketed at the time obviously wasn't there, But did they marked
Michael Jackson's going to be on The Simpsons? But then did did the viewers
feel cheated because they didn't? If you were just watching the show and you
didn't go we couldn't go online. But if you didn't watch the news and
find out that Michael Jackson actually the voice, if they said Michael Jackson's coming
to the Simpsons and you saw that as a kid and then you realize it
wasn't Michael Jackson, would you have felt cheated? Do you think as a
viewer because he wasn't never listened to the credits. I think the people at
Simpson's HQ were probably working over time, certainly the marketing department, to let
you know. It's like, yes, it's builders John J. Smith,
but we all know who it is, right, We all know that Sam
Etick is Dustin Hoffman and we all know that John J. Smith is MJ.
Yeah. Look, it is sad that this episode has been quite unquote
canceled or memory hold or what have you. It's also sad that we didn't
get the proposed sequel. This would have been awesome. So it was Prince.
That's who they had in mind. Lean was going to to return as
Prince. What's the actual story of the episode, though, they do have
it somewhere listed online, But basically I remember reading going this just feels like
a rehash. It felt from what I understand, it seemed kind of strange
that Leon came back to Springfield and now he was more like Prince. He
sort of had more of a Prince identity than Michael Jackson identity. Surely everyone
remembers him though from the first time, and basically wanted Springfield to sort of
loosen up and be love sexy in the Prince day. So, I don't
know, this feels pretty thin. Even though it was Conan O'Brien who wrote
the script, ConA was it. I think Conan either wrote or worked on
it. It's gonna be a propose sequel somewhere on the I produced sequels.
A year after Start Grabbing Dad aired The Writer's Plan, a sequel which Campassi
would return, this time claiming to be the pop star Prince. The script
was written by freelancers and polished by Conan and O'Brien. That Conan polish,
Yeah, According to Mike Reese, it saw Kampaski encouraged the Springfield residents to
loosen up, become more flamboyant, and become more sexually open. Prince agreed
to voice Kampowski and sent notes about what his character would wear, but the
writers discovered that Prince was referring to a script that had been written by his
chauffeur, so he must have rewrote the script. Prince disliked their script and
demanded the other one be used, but the writers refused. The script became
one of the few unproduced Simpsons scripts. Following Prince's death. In twenty sixteen,
Show and Our Geen posted two screenshots of scenes from the script. There
like a museum for Simpson stuff like that. Oh god, it's a bit
like the end of Writer the Lost Arty. Just this warehouse full of unproduced
golden ear of Simpsons episode. Yeah, absolutely, I am on Prince's side.
I'm going to say I wouldn't have brought him to that either. That
seems very thin, as you said, and a rehash of theion. Hey
he returns as a different but everyone he's just been here. Everyone knows he's
not Michael Jackson. Is it just that everyone going, Oh, just let
Leon be Leon. Let's see. I think Leon left Springfield not under a
cloud, but I think the residents of Springfield kind of like, ah,
we were short changed by this guy. Yeah. Actually, I guess the
residents of spring Fold don't know that he wasn't real, do they? Only
the Simpsons know that. Oh yeah, and he came clean to the Simpsons
family. Oh yeah, good point. I mean, that's that's a whole
new can of worms. The only way our Gene, for us to know
this is to release the entire script. We need to see it, both
scripts. The only way that we can be sure about this is for Ol
Jean to come on four Finger Discount and talk about it exactly right, our
mister Gene. Please, mister Jean, come on, come on the show
and let's talk about it. Yeah, it want to be great. We
want to compare script. I'd love to compare Princes's script, his script.
That's fantastic. Princess who knows Prince better than that guy though all the time?
Yeah, pretty bit of an odd not not an odd ball, but
I mean he showed upon a new girl, just did his own thing.
Man, I love to hear what's what songs? You don't they would have
used peple range. People raised the big one, right, I imagine.
So yeah, although Prince probably being a pretty savvy businessman, what was it
he released around the late eighties with sort of We're not in My name is
Prince? E seventies, wasn't it. Yeah, we're in the Diamond and
Pearls. Yeah, we're in Cream and Cream. What a song? So
dope. I need to find the the quote because Prince was just full of
these great quotes. I need to find Remember when he passed and there now
on the radio, I pulled over. I was like, wow, that
affected me. The three deaths that affected me, Prince, David Bowie and
Robin Williams. I just they stopped me in my tracks. Oh yeah.
And it's always weird when you sort of it happens in the middle of your
day, like you don't wake up to that news. Yeah yeah, I
mean I think I was on social media and started, well, yeah,
Matthew Perry was a recent one, has a big one. Yeah, he's
Ledger And that was kind of like here he's Ledger's dead. Sorry, I
need to find this quote from Prince, from Prince and him, hang on,
Prince and matt Damon it's the quote, just gream. The headline is
Prince had no time for Damien's pedestrians, small talk, good sanctioned his bufoonery.
What were they working on together? This was just at a party.
Oh okay, here it is. This is a quote from Julius Stiles,
who co starred with in the Bourne movies. After The Born Older Maiden came
out, there was a premiere in London. Prince actually came to it,
then got tickets for the cast to come see him perform. We were summed
into a room to meet him after the show. Matt said, so you
live in Minnesota? Are you live in Minnesota? Damon Prince said, I
live in my own heart, mad demon. Most people will be just like,
yes, I'm talking about Damon Princess live in my own home. Goddamn
lord. What does David say back to that? What do you do?
Nice neighborhood? Good? What's the weather like? Good? Good school catchment?
But yes, so the unproduced sequel, it's a real shame because yeah,
I mean the story is it's kind of bleak if you ask me.
But we don't know the full story obviously, the full premise of the episode,
but it would have been nice to have had prints on the on the
Simpsons at some point, it certainly would have. It'd be nice to have
Prince still with us, honest, exactly. Yeah, the man just burned
out rather than faded away. This was also the episode that had the rerun
when or when it was had the George Bush saying that it should be more
like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons. That's correct. Yeah, So.
January thirtieth, nineteen ninety two rerun of the episode featured a brief alternate
opening, which was written, I know so it was written in response to
him saying that. So. It was written in response to a point made
by the then President, George W. Bush Senior, three days earlier.
The show had previously had a few but the president's wife Barbara Bush, when
in the October first, nineteen ninety edition of People, she called the Simpsons
the dumbest thing she'd ever seen. The writers decided to respond on privately sending
a polite letter to Bush in which they posed as Marge Simpson. Bush immediately
sent a reply in which she apologized. Later, on January twenty seventh,
nineteen ninety two, George Bush made a speech during his re election campaign,
which included the statement We're going to keep it trying to strengthen the American family,
make it families a lot more like the Walls, less like the Simpsons.
The writers wanted to respond quickly as Barbara Bush had to them. As
each episode of The Simpsons takes more than six months to produce, it's difficult
for the show to comment on current events. The writers decided to add a
brief response to the next broadcast of The Simpsons, a rerun of Start Grabbing
Dad. This episode on January thirtieth, Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart,
was called in to record a line. The broadcast included a new tongue
in cheek opening. The scene from the episode Simpson and Delilah begins in the
Simpsons living room, where the family is watching Bush's speech. We are going
to keep on trying to strengthen the American family, to make American families a
lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons. Hey,
we're just like the Waltons. We're praying for an end of the depression too.
And the opening is featured on the season four DVD box set. That's
actually pretty clever, yes, well the Simpsons. Someone say they're kind of
clever. Yeah, you should have waited a few years and come like,
you know, more like the Waltons, less like the Griffins. Yeah.
No, one wants to be like the Griffins. Right, No, they
do not know. That's not talking about the Griffins. But this has been
our review. I've start roving Dad. We hope you guys enjoyed it.
It was just so much fun to go back and revisit such a classic episode
that if I had been doing this review, I wouldn't have because I had
to pull out the DVD's and I very rarely pull out the DVDs anymore,
which is a shame, because like, oh, let's get it. I
love I love just holding it. No, it's a cool box set.
Hold up to the camera. There see a slipcase, the cool cover.
When was it originally come out in two thousand and they just come out every
year the first or two that this would have been two thousand and three.
This one came out like that calls that right all the we love physical media.
We do love physical media. Get the booklet here and everything. I
just I loved it. I love pulling it, putting the DVD in Alien
actually put the David in and he was like, what is this? What
is this? There's the medium Dando says. I love pulling it out and
putting it in and putting in the disc into the player, I should say,
but yeah, it's just it was just so nice having a menu.
I was like, I remember the menus because basically when you were a kid,
I would have been what twelve when this one came out, maybe a
bit older, twelve thirteen. I used to put these v he is going
to go to sleep, used to listen to the commentaries so quite off,
and I wake up the middle of the night and it's just the men you
know, you wake up to our menu. Yeah that was your ASMR.
Yeah. So like I would wake up and like, these menus are just
ingrained in my mind. You know. It was just a flashback. But
anyway, start graving, Daddy Clai great episode. The next classic episode we
might review. I'm actually gonna be doing a I'll plug it here. It's
gonna be at four thirty in the morning, so you won't be doing this
one with me. I can't tell it is with a podcast. I could
murder a podcast and do like a true crime podcast over in the UK and
we're going to be tackling who shot mister Burns Part one and Part two?
Oh okay then yeah, four thirty in the morning. You're available, you
can do it. You're right, I'm probably not gonna be we can here
at four thirty, but have fun. And we're thinking of tackling as if
it's a true crime a bit of a different spin. Wow, getting innovative.
Yeah, I could murder a podcast. So check out those guys as
well, and they're going to be coming on here at four figure discount in
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