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Com. Hello Dan Rayfield, as
we begin the second to last month of

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twenty twenty three, how are we
feeling as we head into the weekend.

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I'm always feeling good heading into the
weekend. I'm usually feeling good coming out

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of the weekend. I'm always feeling
good. Yeah, that's true. Halloween

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has coming gone. We've survived Halloween. Yeah this year. We always have

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Like kids, calm, it's not
like huge turnout. Well, we live

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on the culd the Sack, and
there's kids on the street, and you

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know it's easy to hit all the
houses kind of in a row. Weasily

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quickly to get all your candy.
We had like one group of like four

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kids maybe like around seven thirty.
Didn't have another kid the rest of the

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night. But what you're saying is
you have excess, You have leftover candy

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big time, which in my house, we have excess, and we have

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the candy that the twins, my
teenage twins, brought home, and we

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got to get it out of the
house because you're listening to who will eat

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it if we do not get rid
of it. So well, I think

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some of it's going to pose.
Some of it will go to my wife's

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office, which is good, and
so that's that's we'll get rid of it

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that way. But yeah, I
was surprised. This was the fewest trick

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or treaders that we've ever had since
we've lived in this neighborhood for you know,

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fifteen years or whatever. It's been
low key, low key for Halloween.

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By the way, I should mention
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and he's back in action out of
retirement. Jamelle herring that we're gonna hear

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from it a little bit as well, some news, some nostalgia and much

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out of the way. Shall we
begin with the Matchroom Dezone Championship doubleheader coming

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up Saturday afternoon US time. In
all your travels and Travail's you ever covering

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thing in Monte Carlo Monte Carlo,
excuse me for the championship doubleheader, as

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I've heard home of like the eighteen
dollars glass of orange juice for breakfast.

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No, I have not. Now. Triple G fought there a couple of

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times, and I wrote about those
fights, but that did not go there

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and travel to cover those fights have
not been there. But that doesn't mean

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that Mattroom's not there. And Joe
Cordina is in action defending his IBF Junior

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Lightweight title in the main event.
There's also an IBF Junior flyweight title fight,

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which could be very intriguing because Dan
loves this not shinga from South Africa

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as a brawling, punching champ in
the almost smallest of weight classes. All

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right, let's get into it.
What appeals preview away about this championship double

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header. Well, as far as
Cordina goes, I mean, he's one

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of the best fighters in the weight
class. He is undefeated, he was

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an Olympian. He's exciting. He
should be making you know. This technically

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speaking, will be the first defense
of his second title, ran it should

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be more than that because if you
remember when he fought for the title in

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the first place and won it spectacularly. Last year June of twenty twenty two,

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he scored that spectacular second round knockout
against knechi Ogawa, and he was

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supposed to come back and make a
defense, but was not able to because

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he had an injured hand, and
so because of the mandatory being overdue and

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he had already previously gotten exception and
you don't have to get into the arcane

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IVF rules, But the bottom line
was he got stripped of the title and

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Rokamov ended up winning the vacant title, and then when Cordina was better and

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ready to go, he had to
fight him in the first you know,

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he was the mandatory to fight him
in the first in Rockamov's first defense.

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That fight took place in April of
this year. Spectacular fight, I mean,

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like bona Fide Fight of the Year
type action, tremendous battle. Cordina

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scored a knockdown, won a split
decision, and you know, worth a

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worthy split decision. I didn't think
it was all that controversial. He definitely

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won, but it was close.
It was a hell of a fight,

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and he regained the title. And
now this is his first defense of this

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second reign. And so they're going
on the road to Monte Carlo, which

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has a very famous because you know
the Monte Carlo Casino that the venue where

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they will host the fight. It's
not like going to Madison Square Garden or

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even like a ballroom in a small
casino or something like that. This is

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a place that only holds in that
room. I want to say maybe like

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six to eight hundred people. It's
maybe even not that many. It's very

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very small. I remember one time
when when Glofkin was supposed to fight there,

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there was issues about whether it would
even be televised because and it turned

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out, I don't think on HBO
because they had no they had trouble like

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fitting their production that they wanted to
the way they wanted to handle their production.

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There wasn't like enough room, you
know, for everybody to be there.

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Wetman in the personnel right right.
But you know it's a high class,

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you know, fancy, super expensive
casino. They bring in this event.

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Obviously they put up a lot of
money to bring in this type of

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entertainment for their guests, who spend
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Like I mentioned, probably about eighteen
bucks for a glass orange juice. I'm

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somewhat only halfway joking about that.
Anyway, it might be a little more

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for something stronger than orange juice by
the way, too, if that's the

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case. Yes, yeah, So
this fight's this is the main event of

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that card, and you know Cordeina, he's a rough customer, and there's

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some intrigue beyond just the matchup itself, which is not like the greatest matchup

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in the world. But if you
go back to last week when you had

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that spectacular comeback victory by Oshaki Foster
to retain his WBC version of the one

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hundred and thirty pound title by a
twelve round knockout. In the immediate aftermath

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of that fight, and even before
that fight, O'shaki Foster was saying he

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wants Cordina to unify, and it's
a very makeable fight because to my knowledge,

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O'shaki Foster is a promotional free agent, but he boxed on a Mattrium

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card in the defense he just had
because that was a perspit that they won.

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Cordeina is with Mattroom, so they've
got that going for each other,

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so they've worked together. Presumably if
he could get that fight, you have

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to sign with Mattrium, and that
would not be the worst thing in the

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world for his career, and that
would be a very fascinating matchup the two

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two very good, exciting, interesting
fighters. Of course, Cordeina got to

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take care of the business against Edward
Vasquez. You say, Rayfael, who's

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Edward Vasquez? Plait a minute,
Raphael, Who's Edward Vasquez? Well,

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I'm black gass TJ. He is
a guy from for Worth, Texas who's

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fifteen and one with three knockouts.
He is promoted by De Belle Entertainment,

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our good friend Loud Debella, and
he is taking such a monumental step up

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in competition. At least when Cordina
was untested, you knew that he had

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something there because he had been in
the Olympics, and that's always obviously a

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big building block of a professional career. But when I tell you that Edward

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Vasquez has not really fought anybody,
it's well, I should say hasn't been

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anybody. It's like an insult to
guys who haven't been anybody. His one

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notable fight is actually a loss,
but a respectable close split decision loss.

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They'd had with the outstanding featherweight prospect. That's also with Matt from boxing that

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took place in February of last year, a ten rounder against Raymond Ford,

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who is an undefeated fighter who was
on the Virgil fighting for a title also

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in the featherweight division, a really
good prospect, and that was Vasquez is

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one defeat. Most people would look
at him and say, you know,

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he has some intangibles because he's a
hard every describes him as a hard worker,

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got kind of quick hands, kind
of a rough guy. But the

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resume severely lacks. And while I
don't disrespect anybody that's going all the way

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across the ocean and trying to get
a world title in their biggest fight,

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it's hard to overlook the pedigree of
a Joe Cordina and he has that.

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Although that rockham Off fight was a
hard, hard, tough fight. But

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I hope that Vasquez maybe competes better
than what his record looks like, even

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though he doesn't have, you know, a bad record. At fifteen to

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one, the only time he ever
stepped and fought like a guy that you

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would say, that's a real legitimate, world class kind of fighter. You

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know, he did lose, So
we'll see how that goes. But if

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Cordeina can win, or if Vazquez
wins for that matter, you know,

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and there could be a rematch,
or not a rematch rather but a fight

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with Foster, that would be something
impressive. But I mean, I'd like

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to see Cordeina against Foster. I'm
assuming, by the way, that if

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Cordina does lose this is not a
mandatory fight, would assume that he has

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the right to a rematch in this
contract. Interesting our colleague David Paine,

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I always referenced him, says the
British. British media is also talking about

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the possibility of Lee Wood and Cordina
at City Ground, where Wood would move

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up. Not that it's set in
stone, but it's being kicked around,

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it's being rumored and you would have
to pay Cordina obviously a bunch to go

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into Nottingham for that fight. With
Wood moving up, who knows, but

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it's say awful what we saw from
Foster last weekend and what we've seen from

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Cordina sign me up for unification if
it comes to Fruition too. It does

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seem to me. As far as
the prospect of the Lee Wood fight,

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I do think that fight can happen
definitely at some point. I don't know

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if it's going to be the next
fight. And by the way, Cordeina

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can draw a big crowd in Wales
also, so he would have to really

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be induced to come to nodding have
to do the fight again. I don't

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have inside knowledge on this at the
moment, but it seems logical to me

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anyway that the more likely fight,
probably because it doesn't matter if there's a

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title involved. They're stilling to draw
a humongous crowd that that. I think

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we're probably more likely to see a
rematch between Lee Wood and Warrington next,

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with Cordeina still there on the table
if he wins, because that's a fight

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that will be there for a little
while. Lee will go up see how

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he feels at one hundred thirty pounds, and then if he wins against Warrington,

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then maybe go for that title shot. I doubt next, but listen,

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if they pull a rabbit out of
the hat and it is next,

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I mean, you always say sign
you up for that. I mean,

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I'd be happy with the Foster fight, but I'd also be happy if it

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was if Cordeina wins on Saturday,
to see him, you know, take

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on Lee Wood in a title defenseven
especially if he was going to go to

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the other guy's hometown. The point
here, though, is this, within

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that matchroom stable of fighters, there
are definitely some intriguing fights and things that

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you'd want to see that could be
made in one hundred and thirty pound division,

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whether it's with Warrington moving up,
or with Wood or with Cordeena if

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he wins, Vasquez perhaps if he
wins, and obviously, as we mentioned,

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Foster being I believe to be a
free agent, but certainly would be

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open to that since Cordeena is the
guy he mentioned, one hundred and thirty

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can produce some good fights in the
next year or so. All right,

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So tell me about the South African
not Shinga, Adrian Curiel that is for

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the IBF Junior Flyweight Championship as well
on this card in Monte Carlow tell us

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more, well, if you know
anything as relates to non Shinga, I

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think that a lot of people who
may have seen in the twenty and twenty

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two Fight of the Year, at
least what I called the fight of the

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Year. I mean not a lot
of people didn't pick it, but I

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think they just missed the boat because
that was a spectacular fight. He defeated

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by a split decision in a phenomenal
all action, NonStop rousing battle a fighter

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named Hector Flores that took place in
Mexico on Flores's turf. This was again

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back in September of last year.
He won a split decision. He dropped

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Flores in the second round. He
won the IBF Junior Flyway title. That's

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one hundred and eight pounds. Spectacular
fight, I mean spectacular, tremendous.

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Yeah. He has had one one
defense since then, which took place this

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past summer in July. That was
in in his home country in South Africa,

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and he won a pretty clear decision
over his opponent, a Filipino fighter

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Reggie A. Suganob. I believe
this is how you pronounce it anyway.

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So now he takes on this cat
adrian carry out, not the most known

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fighter in the world twenty three four
and won a very pedestrian record. And

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it's not a mandatory defense. It's
optional defense. And to me, what

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it is is the opportunity because it's
hard to really handicap in terms of the

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opponent because he's fought such limited opposition. You know that it's severely limited opposition.

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The one notable loss he did have
was against hose Alito of Alaskas,

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who was a Mexican Olympian. That
was back in twenty nineteen. Is the

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opportunity to see on Chinga, to
see if there can be some magic once

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again, because when he fought Flores, neither one of those guys was all

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that well known, and they produced
a classic. And so that's my hope.

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And they small weight classes. You
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other who are of similar type of
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and sometimes it can make a little
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flame and make it into a bonfire. And that's what I'm kind of hoping

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for. We see, because we've
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see if Kuriyel's cooperative, they can
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thought on that fight and not Shinga
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fight on a bathroom Matt. I
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guy. It was just standing brawl. Uh. So we'll see if if

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it's similar here, if if Curiel
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gonna stand in front of him and
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ko feature. Anything else there do
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won a bunch of fights. He's
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draw from earlier this year, and
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along those lines. But besides that, you know, the guy's won like

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seven eight fights in a row,
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guys he's been fighting are not necessarily
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most of them have pretty decent records, so we'll see. It's always a

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crapshoot in these swell way classes where
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they don't really get notoriety sometimes so
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we'll see what he can do.
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kind of action fights that were has
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fight we have seen don Chinging in
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entertainment for our time. That's always
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Moving along on the preview, the
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Nevada, a long way away from
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FAA Jagba Heavyweight Joe Goodall as well
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That's the main event. Tell me
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to you a Jagbas seems logical.
Is maybe an opponent for real Big Baby

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Anderson Jered Real Big Baby Anderson hasn't
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hurt if he's impressive in this main
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that's the kind of matchup you can
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There's a couple of things that make
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you want to be honest, we
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a main event on one of these
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for a main event. I'd be
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It feels like this is a This
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o'clock Eastern time. It's kind of
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in some respects. But you got
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You know, you like to see
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extravaganza in Saudi Arabia last week with
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are both actual professional boxers. The
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at is two things. Number One, in the amateur days back the number

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of years ago, Joe Goodall,
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Jaga in the amateurs and in the
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a Jaba was talking about like how
it's important to him to like get

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the revenge even though that was an
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ago so or whatever. It has
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hasn't forgot that because it was in
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the I believe it was in the
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kind of a significant tournament. So
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has won three fights in a row. He's only lost a forgivable loss,

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if you want to know the truth, it was against Frank Sanchez who was

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a consummate technical boxer Cuban fighter.
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the Fury and Wilder fights and he
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I mean, that's that happens now. Since that fight, he has defeated

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Stephen Shaw. Stephenshaw was a guy
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this year. That was in January, Joe Goodall, who was ten to

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one and one from Australia. Like
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recent fight that was in July,
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him out in the sixth round.
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them against. Not to mention the
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victory against a job but from the
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I mean, this guy goes six, you know, Goodall goes six five

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and a half. A job was
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or even a little taller. Both
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just because he lost to the guy
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an Olympian for his home country of
Nigeria. Even now now he's based out

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of Houston. So you know,
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It's a two like guys that might
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are putting on the line against each
other. And if you know the thing

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about the Goodall record, his only
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back in June of twenty two.
He has a decision loss against Justice Hooney,

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the excellent Australian up and comer who
we just saw score a nice victory

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on the undercard when O'shaki Foster had
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in his title defense. So that's
a forgivable lost. Hoon, he's another

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younger heavyweight, twenty four years old, that's on the ross. He's younger

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than a Jagua and Goodall, our
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So it's time to make a move, which I think is one of the

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reasons, Like he's willing to fight
a Jagua. He's like, I beat

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him in the amateurs, let's see
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You know, if you get that
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of Stephen Shaw, like you know, he doesn't take a lot to get

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a big opportunity in the heavyweight division. That would be enough probably to put

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him in a pretty damn good position
brow some big punches. Let's see what

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happens on the undercard. Raymond Murrataya, I know, is a fighter that

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you're very high on. He is
in lightweight action as well in Reno tell

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Us more well so Murtaia. He
was supposed to fight a couple of months

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ago. I guess he had an
injury that kind of put this fight off

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for a little while. He was
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Yeah, he's an excellent prospect.
He's undefeated. I think the feeling from

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some who have watched him as well
as some frankly even at top rank,

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will tell you that he's the kind
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of his opposition. So, you
know, sometimes he can look great.

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Sometimes he looks a little bit lesser, less than great, but it's because

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of maybe the guys he's fighting.
He's maybe not as pumped up to fight

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the lesser guys. Torres at least
presents the possibility of something interesting from the

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mere fact that he is undefeated at
eighteen and oh and the seventeen of those

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wins are by knockout. Doesn't have
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you know, he is fighting an
undefeated guy, and Murtia is not exactly

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the most tested guy in terms of
his professional fights toill. He is traded

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trained by the outstanding trainer Robert Garcia. He did have a very impressive knockout

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in his last fight back in May
against Jeremiah Nakatilla, who's you know,

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got some name recognition even though he's
moving up and wait, but he just

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beat him. He really blew him
out in the second round, So that

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was pretty impressive the way he took
him apart. So what you're looking at

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here is to see if Maurtaia can
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of an opponent on his record where
he takes his undefeated record. That's what

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this is about. And obviously if
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think a pretty bit of upset even
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those are the two main fights,
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card, even though they're all going
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ESPN Plus again a big blur of
college football late Saturday night and you're getting

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ready for the NFL on Sunday,
et cetera. But the boxing is on

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ESPN Plus. As you mentioned,
there still to come here. In just

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a few moments, you'll hear from
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actually next week, but it will
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we're in the preview mill. You'll
hear from Jammel in a little bit.

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There is an WBC cruiserweight vacant title
fight in Miami, the Don King Fight

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TV pay per view. Noel mchalean
that I get it right, and Junior

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Macabu Miccabu's the former champion who was
beaten by Badu Jack, right, but

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Jack vacated the title, So now
Micabu's right back in a title fight,

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right, Rayfield, Do I have
that mostly correct? If that's correct?

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So, and back in February on
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in Saudi Arabia, Bad dude Jack, you know one kind of a barn

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burner against against Macabu stopped him in
round twelve. Good fight One won the

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WBC title, gave Jack titles in
three weight classes because Jack had been a

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title holder in the super middleweight division
like heavyweight division, and now had won

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a title at cruiserweight. And because
bad Dude Jack has been so closely affiliated

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with the WBC, we've talked about
this, I think briefly before he vacated

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the title, the WBC made him
the champion in recess at cruiserweight. His

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goal is to go after their title, and they're they're the only organization that

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has the bridgerweight division, which is
the now a division in the WBC roster

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of divisions between cruiserweight and heavyweight.
It's a limit of two hundred and twenty

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four pounds. So Jack's goal is
to go win a title in that weight

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class. So he's going to fight
for that belt as the WBC has already

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approved. He wants to win that. You know, if he does,

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he'll say, you know, I'm
a four division world champion. You can

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talk about the merits of the Bridgerwaight
division all you want, but it's the

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same kind of thing I think that
we talked about the merits of the cruiserweight

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division, you know, twenty years
ago in any event that left the WBC

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belt vacant, and Makamu certainly is
not a pushover. He's in this vacant

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title fight against the Michellian who has
been a top contender for quite a while,

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has fought some solid competition, was
a participant in the World Boxing Super

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Series. You know, has has
some good wins since his loss in that

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tournament. In twenty eighteen, he
lost to Myers Bradus, who became not

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only a title holder in a sanctioning
body, but the lineal champion, and

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before he lost that title to Jai
Opataia in their tremendous battle. So this

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is for that vacant title. It's
on. Like you mentioned Don King,

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I'm not sure why he's even still
doing this. It's not a fight that

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has had a lot of publicity,
but it is the main event in any

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event on this fight pay per view
that takes place on Saturday, and the

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winner is going to have a title. I mean, I don't know where

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that puts them. It's not like
there's some big mega fight out there,

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but hopefully the cruiser rates will deliver
some action. Oftentimes a cruiserweight division does

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deliver action. Player of five for
me because I don't subscribe to fight,

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so I need your assistance. You
pay a monthly fee obviously for fight and

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then you're paying what or no,
it just with the one off. You

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just buy this and there there's if
you go on the fight app, I

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should send them a bill for what
I'm about to tell you, give you

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the tutorial. The fight app has
plenty of stuff in terms of combat sports.

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I have right, yeah, and
then they they have wrestling, They've

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got boxing. I've got all cards. They've got some bigger cards. Sometimes

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they're the digital a digital provider.
For example, in the United States,

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they were one of many that was
a carrier of When Canelo fought his most

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recent fight against Charlotte, you could
have bought it on fight same as a

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regular pay per view, just another
platform to do so. They've got tons

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of free stuff this particular fight.
If you want to buy it, I

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don't. I forget the price.
I want to say it's maybe like nineteen

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ninety nine or something. I was
going to say, if we're talking forty

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nine ninety five, or maybe it's
in the twenties. But the point is

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it's a it's a cheaper pay per
view. You just buy it and watch

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it like that, and you have
opportunity to watch a replay. What I

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subscribe to is I get what's called
Fight Plus, and they have some cards

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that are available. It's like seven
dollars a month, and they get cards

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that they have on there that are
not pay per view. They're just part

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of your subscription plan. And they've
had cards from Boxer, they've had some

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other like like they have like Jerry
Forrest. He had a fight the heavyweight

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on a card, like a club
kind of card that was in Virginia.

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They carried you a month or two
ago. So if you're a degenerate like

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I like to say, that's a
good plan for you. But in terms

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of the fight, it's just a
regular pay per view for not as expensive

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as what you'll see if you buy, you know, one of the bigger

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pay per view events. Instead of
seventy five dollars, I might cost you

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twenty twenty five bucks. That's what
I was curious about. Good on that,

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So we gave you some good preview
material. More preview material here out

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of the mouth of Jamel Herring.
The former world champion is back. The

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card is coming in New York.
It is the Heroes on the Hudson card

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that will be taking place in New
York as part of Broadway Boxing, and

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Debella entertained. Jammel is going to
tell you more here in the conversation I

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had with him recently about why he's
back and why this event is important to

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him, and let's get to it
now. As we do continue along.

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It has been a little while since
I've gotten a chance to talk with this

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guy, and usually Dan Rayfield monopolizes
all the interviews. So when I was

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able to connect with Jamelle hearing again, I'm like, I'm going for this

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myself. I got to talk to
Simperfi myself here, So I hope you're

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not too disappointed that the playful grizzly
bear is not here to do the interview.

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No no on Twitter, I understand, simper Pi. How are you

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and I know you're getting back in
the ring, you're in training. How

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00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,680
are things? Things are great?
I'm fine, I'm fine. It's good

404
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,839
to speak to you again. Man. I'm in good spirits, I'm in

405
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,480
good shape, and I'm overhall just
happy. I'm just happy to be back.

406
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,759
Did you miss this? Is that
part of why at almost thirty nine

407
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:56,799
years of age your bad? Did
you miss this? Having got fun a

408
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,519
year? Yeah, I definitely definitely
missed it definitely missed it, especially with

409
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:07,359
being within the commentary the commentary world, you get to see the fights up

410
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,200
close and all the great fights out
there, especially you know, commentating with

411
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,000
top rank that those guys are considered
family over there, So it's an honor

412
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,720
to be commentating with Christina poncra But
it was definitely one of those things where

413
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,000
being in the moment up close,
definitely you know, has a way of

414
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,119
doing things to you, uh and
you get the you get the itch.

415
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,839
I mean, I've always said broadcasting
is the next best thing because you're there,

416
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,039
you're around it, the crowd's going
crazy, you know this, there's

417
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,839
adrenaline going. But it's not the
same thing as competing in it. Did

418
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,759
you miss the competition and the thrill
of the potential competition? Is that part

419
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:51,440
of why you're back? Absolutely absolutely, It's it's always the thrill. You

420
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,240
missed the you missed the atmosphere from
the crowd, you know, pushing youss.

421
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,920
You missed just the you know,
the strategy and the chest matches within

422
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,640
inside the ring, So all that
definitely plays a part, and it's just

423
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,599
like you know what, let's just
give it. Let's just give it.

424
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,880
A last go love this for Jamel
Hearing. He will be part of Broadway

425
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Boxing from De Bella Entertainment in the
Edison Ballroom in New York City that is

426
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
coming up on November seven, not
too far away at the time that we're

427
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,880
taping a little bit in advance here, Jamel back in training to fight Nick

428
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,440
Molina in an eight round main event. What's special about this and this is

429
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,599
near and dear to your story,
which we're going to talk more about here

430
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,759
in this conversation. Is there a
bunch of amateur fights as I understand it,

431
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:38,799
involving police officers, military, etc. That are fighting as amateur fights.

432
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:44,240
They're building this as heroes on the
Hudson. What does that mean to

433
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,720
have that on the card with you
guys fighting as professionals jameel Man. The

434
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,759
title says all. They're all heroes
from a police academy, force, a

435
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,559
military force with West Point Military Academy, you know, taking the lead on

436
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:04,160
things with So it's always great to
you know, give spotlight to others as

437
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,440
well, other than yourself, and
to give back, no doubt. Jamel

438
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:14,200
Hearing, the former WBO Junior Lightweight
World champion, hangs with me made three

439
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:18,000
successful title defenses, and he hangs
with me here on the Big Fight Weekend

440
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,640
podcast for a few more moments.
Your story is so well known, two

441
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,759
tours of duty in Iraq. I
loved what you said so many different times,

442
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,759
so many different ways when you faced
what you faced over in the in

443
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:36,519
the Middle East. A boxing ring
is not going to intimidate Jamel Hearing or

444
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,960
anybody else that's been up against that. Just to elaborate on that point about

445
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,680
how your military career prepared you for
what is Let's be honest, it's a

446
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,839
brutal, dangerous sport, but in
a lot of ways, the Marines prepared

447
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,200
you for that. Of course,
on the Marine Corps is same as to

448
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,480
say with boxing. They always say
boxing is eighty percent mental twenty percent physical,

449
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,359
and I believe the majority of my
time as a marine is really mental.

450
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,880
It's all about getting those through stressful
times and being placed in a situation

451
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,480
where you had to be quick and
to think on your feet. I've lost

452
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,759
I've lost friends, I've seen friends
injured, I've seen friends go through trauma

453
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,240
even outside of the battlefield. So
when I look at things like that and

454
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,200
I have maybe a rough outing or
a rough fight in the ring and I'm

455
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,200
sitting in that corner. I always
take that moment I think to myself,

456
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,400
you know, you've been through worse. It could be worse, and but

457
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:32,359
overall you've succeeded and got yourself out
of those dark places, whether whether it's

458
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,680
in a battlefield or things that I
may be going through mentally. So I

459
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,920
always say, like, this is
this is this is what you choose to

460
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,680
do. This is the fun part
that you. I chose to be in

461
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,559
the ring. I chose to be
I chose to be a boxer. I

462
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:45,359
mean I did ye. I chose
to be a marine. But it's the

463
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,200
same time, you know, we
anyone would rather be in their comfort zone

464
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,200
rather than a battlefield to any day. So again I always look at those

465
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,960
moments in my in my lifetime as
as a United Marine, and I just

466
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,480
reflect just for that one minute or
so in the corner. Ray Phil and

467
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,759
I love to get nostalgic. I'm
about to get nostalgic with Jamel Herring.

468
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,000
Let's go back to May of twenty
nineteen, May twenty fifth, to be

469
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,680
exact. You beat Masa Yuci if
I say yuki, if I get it

470
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,119
out Itto for the world title.
You became a world champ. I'm becoming

471
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:22,759
an old man. You're not an
old man. You became a world champ

472
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:29,160
four years ago this past May.
What do you remember finally, If not

473
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,920
everything, finally, but give me
some things you remember about capturing a world

474
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,119
title and living out a dream for
starters, that was the That was the

475
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,240
day. That was my birth my
daughter's birthday. My daughter she would have

476
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:41,599
been she would have been ten years
old that day, but she had passed

477
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:48,079
away from SIDS at two months.
So that was basically my gift to her.

478
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,440
Because again, like we just pointed
out, I always think about everything

479
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720
that I've been through to the up
until the up until now, and that

480
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,079
was one of the moments. Listen, I've been down and out. I've

481
00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,279
been I've been at the lowest,
I've been at my weakest. I've been

482
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,079
vulnerable, you know, and I've
showed that. I'm expressed that. But

483
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,960
again, I always use my daughter
as my guardian angel. If you look

484
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,680
at my trunks and every one of
my fights, her name is always stitched

485
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,759
and attached to all my trunks.
So even when I'm in again, sitting

486
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,759
down in that corner, I always
looking down, I'm like, listen,

487
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,720
you know, she went, she
went, she went and appreciate her fight,

488
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,480
her father, you know, giving
up on herself for being a quitter.

489
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,799
So that was my gift to her. And that's one of my fondest

490
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,000
moments in that and I remember that
whole entire day vividly, of course,

491
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,200
but you know that's when I you
know, look when if after I got

492
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,960
the victory, I just looked up
to the sky and you know, I

493
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,440
thought about my daughter and I said, I did it. I did it.

494
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,039
This is for you. Love it. What a story and that moment

495
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,079
every fighter dreams of the moment in
a world title fight, especially in a

496
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:49,960
decision when they say and the new
But what did it mean to hear and

497
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,519
the new w started? I had
to fame Jimmy Lennon Jr. To be

498
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,119
the one so a part of that
memory, you know, to be a

499
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,680
part of that journey me just in
that slight moment. So again it's these

500
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,759
are guys that that I watched even
as announcers growing up as a kid.

501
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,680
And to have somebody like Jimmy Lennon
Jr. Be the one to announce me

502
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,599
being the new world champion was a
special was a special moment. I still

503
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,119
gotta get Michael Buffer in one day, well, you know, for one

504
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,720
of my fights. But again it
was just it was just a great feeling

505
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,359
and it was like everything was just
the weight lifted off off my shoulders at

506
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:32,039
that at that moment. And again, no, I don't, I don't.

507
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Nothing but nothing nothing the top that. Even if I went another well

508
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,880
when I do win another world title, nothing's going to top that. I

509
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,759
don't often do this, but I
know you have much respect for a former

510
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,319
US Olympian just like you are.
Shakur Stevenson defeated you. Shakur is a

511
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,799
tremendous fighter. You were in the
ring with him a couple of years ago.

512
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,000
He's fought several times since then.
What what's the potential? Sky is

513
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000
the limit? It looks like to
us for this guy. You've been in

514
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,359
the ring with him, you've been
watched him, you've been around him.

515
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:05,400
Fellow US Olympian, what about cha? Cour Just real quick, it's funny.

516
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,640
I was actually I actually was a
call to help your call out during

517
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,759
this training camp because he's also here
in Las Vegas where I'm training at.

518
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,680
For me, I'm a sportsman.
There's never any bad feelings. I don't

519
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,880
I don't take anything personal. He
was a better man, He's a great

520
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,200
talent, and honestly, I take
a lot of pride in that fight,

521
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,400
even though I didn't come on the
winning end. But if you look at

522
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,720
it, as you see now,
nobody wants to fight him, nobody wants

523
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,519
to fight him. But here for
me, I didn't hesitate that once.

524
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:35,079
I didn't make any excuses. I
didn't make any crazy demands. I just

525
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,039
wanted to be treated fairly when it
came down to negotiations and making a fight.

526
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,640
But I never ran away from the
fight. And you know what I

527
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,559
seen was this kid was just sharp, like he's just a brilliant fighter.

528
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,920
In that ring, I was physically
bigger than him, I was stronger than

529
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,440
him. But again, he took
away all my strengths from me and he

530
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,839
did what he did in that ring. So I can't fault him for that

531
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,400
and again, and he's only getting
better. He's only getting better now.

532
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,759
I think, I think, and
I think, and it's scary because I

533
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:06,160
believe we still didn't see the best
of chakor Stephenson. So again I'm rooting

534
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,240
for him. I want to.
I want to see him go out it.

535
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,400
I mean, because again, it
makes it, It makes it better

536
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,000
for me knowing, Hey that,
hey mel Herring fort this kid and a

537
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,319
younger version of Stevenson. And then
you look at teenage from now and he's

538
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,480
still at the top. It's like, look what he's at now. So

539
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,440
again, I'm just happy to be
at least a part of that journey with

540
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:30,160
him. And we're good friends now. So again I'm happy for him.

541
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,640
I think he's doing a great job
and I think he'll he's gonna have plenty

542
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,680
of hardware going into the future with
his career. Let's be honest. Well

543
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:39,880
said, there's gonna be a long
list of people who are going to say

544
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,759
I fought and lost to Shaquar Stevenson. There's no yeah I say that than

545
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,440
lose to a total guy the had
no business being there with me. So

546
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,480
I hear you on that. Hey, the broadcasting you mentioned getting to work

547
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:58,359
with top Rank, with Christina Poncher
and with others at other events. Uh,

548
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,519
what is that? Like? You
do a really good job with that.

549
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:02,440
I love your insight, I love
your enthusiasm. Keep up the great

550
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,199
work with that. What is that
like making that transition and doing analysts work

551
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:12,880
on fights. It's fun because I
still even if I'm even if I continue

552
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,480
to say I don't want to fight
tomorrow, I still get to be part

553
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,159
of something that I love with just
boxing and just and just witness great moments,

554
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,039
you know, through through through my
own eyes of close and Christina Pontra

555
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:28,039
is a great teacher. She's a
great mentor and a great and a great

556
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,920
friend. So actually I give a
lot of credit to her because there's times

557
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,400
when she helps me pick up the
energy and it's like we feed up each

558
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,199
other's energy. It's like, you
know, she'll give me an alley oop

559
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,960
and they'll take it from there and
and so on. So again, it

560
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,199
is great. Todd Rink has been
great to me. They they had not

561
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,719
only gave me an opportunity to become
a world champion, but they put me

562
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,280
in a position because I always wanted
to be a commentator as well, because

563
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,400
I grew up watching guys like you
know and from the boxing side, like

564
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:58,159
you know, the big big George
Foreman, the Roy Jones, Juniors of

565
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:02,519
the World, Paulmonaji and so on, the fighter in that seat, Sean

566
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,280
Porter and the list just goes on
and on and on, and so I

567
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,519
always you know, admired, you
know, the fighter giving their you know,

568
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,400
giving their vision and perspective on things
from from that seat. All right,

569
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:22,840
one more time. It is boxing
returning with Heroes on the Hudson from

570
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,039
Devella Entertainment and Broadway Boxing. It
is November seventh in New York. Jamel

571
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,480
hearing headlines against Nick Molina. He's
an He's an undefeated young fighter. Give

572
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:34,920
me a quick scouting report on the
challenge against him, real quick in this

573
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,239
fight. Still obviously he still has
a lot to learn, of course,

574
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,800
but again you can't he has the
youth on this side. Let's be honest.

575
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,760
You can't take anything from him because
this could be like his lottery ticket.

576
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,159
So of course you've got to expect
the best of Nick Molina. Doesn't

577
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,039
matter if he hasn't fought the level
of competition now for and again, I'm

578
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:57,440
not getting any younger, so I'm
eager to like I know where I'm at

579
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,599
now. I feel great. I
have the great Wayne mccullor. You know,

580
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,360
it was the former World Champions Zone
right in my corner. And if

581
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,119
I'm always honest with myself, because
you know, I'm a US Marine,

582
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:08,960
so we have integrity. The main
thing I was missing for my game was

583
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:14,920
mainly just the defensive aspect I could
fight. I can be that dog in

584
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,880
the ring because I have that,
you know that that the military grid behind

585
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,599
me. But I lacked that defensive
aspect at times. And you know,

586
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,559
being him and Wayne, He's gave
me so much confidence because if let's be

587
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,639
honest, if you take less damage
and still could be in the fire without

588
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,039
getting without being burnt, it goes
a long way. So I'm actually really

589
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,320
eager because and I chose this fight
because Nick. If I can't get past

590
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,760
Nick Molina, how can I get
to the World champions the joke Rdinas and

591
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,599
the Mayor Reads and the Hector Garcias
and so on and so on in this

592
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,400
division. So I didn't want to
say I didn't take a fight where it

593
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,480
didn't really do nothing for me with
Man, Okay, I put on a

594
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,039
good show for the people, what
does it do for me as a fighter.

595
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:58,920
So we chose Nick Molina because he's
younger, he's undefeated, I'm pretty

596
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,960
sure he's hungry, and you know, and I just want to I just

597
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,400
wanted to test myself and push myself
and he will do that on November seventh.

598
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,840
We root for the story. We
also root for people. Root for

599
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,760
this guy. Folks root for Jamel
Hering Simper five, former world champ,

600
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,559
back in the ring in November as
part of de Bella Entertainment's Broadway Boxing.

601
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,360
Thank you for spending a few minutes
with us once again on the Big Fight

602
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,920
weekend. Pik is nothing but love
for you continued success in the ring and

603
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,519
with the broadcasting. Thank you,
Jamel, Thank you TJ. I appreciate

604
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,320
it. Brother, I appreciate it. Then please have me you on here

605
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:37,320
more often than I'm only one called
away. I guarantee you in my heart

606
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,760
that this will be the last time
I feel like I will have my hand

607
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,880
raised and it'll be a great Matt, It'll be a great performance. And

608
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,159
again, who knows we'll be talking
next about going into a world title fight.

609
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,880
So I feel it in my heart. It's still much to come again,

610
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,039
Dan, it makes sense because this
is a Tuesday fight and we're in

611
00:37:54,039 --> 00:38:00,119
the preview mode to still preview here
for Tuesday night the Edison Ballroom, New

612
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,199
York City. I assume you've been
in the Edison ballroom at some point.

613
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,159
For this the heroes on the Hudson
is the card. And again, as

614
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:14,360
we mentioned in the conversation, he
intends to keep going. This is not

615
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,400
just a one off. He wants
to continue to fight. So thoughts on

616
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,159
all of that, I mean,
I'm not sure how long that's going to

617
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,800
be. Jameelis thirty eight years old. I've always viewed him and I think

618
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,599
he would agree. He's been an
overachiever. You know, when he came

619
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:29,679
out of the Olympics, when he
represented the United States in the twenty twelve

620
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,719
Games, which he was actually the
captain of the United States Olympic team,

621
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,719
he had the respect from all of
those teammates. And the reason why,

622
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,679
by the way I'm sure you talked
about it, is that he is a

623
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:43,800
Marine Corps veteran and this is a
card that's you being put on where there's

624
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,480
going to be some amateur bouts involving
fighters in the military branches as well as

625
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:53,800
to help benefit some military related charities
and such. So you know, he's

626
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,760
coming back after a layoff, after
a retirement. He lost two fights in

627
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440
a row. He got knocked out
by Shakhor Stephenson and lost his world title

628
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:06,079
back in twenty one the WBO one
hundred and thirty pound title, a very

629
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,199
lopsided fight and a knockout, and
then he had I think at the time

630
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:14,599
people consider it to be a mild
upset. Jamaine Ortiz defeated him in a

631
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,039
decision. Then Jamaine of course went
on and had a tremendous battle against Lumachenko

632
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,920
where it was a very close fight, and then he decided to retire.

633
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,639
So he's coming back, what a
year and a half later, and he's

634
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,920
taken a Nicholas Molina and listen,
Jamel is a guy. If you ask

635
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,719
anybody in boxing, I don't care
who is promoter, fighter, writer,

636
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,519
other personnel within the sport. He's
a well liked guy through throughout the sport.

637
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,400
Everybody likes Jammel Herring. He's a
very friendly individual. He goes to

638
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,039
a lot of fights. He does
a good job when Top rank you know

639
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,679
who he was on their roster for
a long time, won his world title

640
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,159
with and that he douzled some of
the international when they do like the shows

641
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,320
from Japan and some of the other
other cards. You know, he's one

642
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,320
of the broadcasters, does a lot
of those events. So I just especially

643
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,679
good luck. He's a good dude
in all the best to him. I

644
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,880
agree with you on that, and
again Simper two tours of duty in Iraq,

645
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,360
what a great story. As we
were talking to him about that as

646
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,920
well. Heroes on the Hudson fight
card coming and it's on Tuesday night,

647
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719
it's on his own, it's available. There you go, so you've got

648
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,840
the opportunity to see that coming on
Tuesday. Okay, fight news, before

649
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,159
we get to some nostalgia. They
have officially announced what you've already been talking

650
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:28,400
about the undercard for the upcoming David
Benavidez Demetrius Andre pay per view at the

651
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,199
end of this month. Jamal Charlo
will be back in a non title fight.

652
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,559
There's also a couple of other title
fights on this pay per view.

653
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:38,880
I know you've made mention here.
We're not over exaggerating. They're not paying

654
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,440
us to sell this. This is
stacking up to be a really good pay

655
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,599
per view card. It looks like
give us the details. Well, part

656
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:51,800
of that is because PBC has had
this sort of backlog of fights that they're

657
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,119
trying to clear the deck of that
they need to based on deadline from sanction

658
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,519
bodies fights that day have one at
purse bids, and of course we know

659
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,079
Showtime is going out of the boxing
business, so they need to get a

660
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,760
couple of these done before that occurs. So they've done what they're supposed to

661
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,239
do and they've made a pretty good
card. The fights that they've put on

662
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,239
are not super expensive. When they
won the purse fit so at least it

663
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,760
fits in the budget. This is
of course the undercard of char not Charlo

664
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,480
of David Benavite's had taken on Dimitris
Andre so Yes. Jamal Charlotte has been

665
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,320
out of the ring for two and
a half years but still holds the WBC's

666
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,960
been Away title. He will have
his first fight in a long time.

667
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:30,280
He will take on Jose Benavite's junior, who is the older brother of David

668
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
and both of them are trained by
their father, Jose Senior. It's a

669
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,119
ten round fight. Some people are
upset because if you've been out of the

670
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:38,800
ring for two and a half years
and the WBC has allowed you to keep

671
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,639
your world title, you figure the
least you could do when you come back

672
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,639
is to defend your title. But
no, he is now taking a non

673
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:49,079
title fight. My understanding. How
I have heard it is that it was

674
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,480
originally supposed to be a title fight, but for whatever reason, he's not

675
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,599
on weight or he is not going
to be able to make the weight.

676
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,639
I'm not sure. You know,
after all this time, if you're going

677
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,840
to be the champion, should be
able to make your waiter give up the

678
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,800
title in any event. There you
go. It is a ten rounder as

679
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,239
a non title fight. I am
told that the weight limit is one hundred

680
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,000
and sixty three pounds. Perhaps it
might be plus one, which is sometimes

681
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,199
the language use, So perhaps it's
as heavy as one sixty four. I'm

682
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,000
not entirely clear on that just yet, but suffice it to say, it's

683
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,599
good to have Charlotte back. I
don't love that it's not defending the title.

684
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:27,119
This is not nineteen fifty when guys
would take non title fights all the

685
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,559
time, and the reason was fine
because they were defending their title often.

686
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,840
But the guy isn't defended in two
and a half years, and now if

687
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,559
he takes this non title fight,
you and I know Dan well that even

688
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,039
if he wins and looks good,
he ain't coming back into the ring for

689
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,440
another What about Okay, but what
about it, And I just bring this

690
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:44,000
up because you cover this all the
time, and the WBC and the other

691
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,119
organizations will do this. What about
the WBC stepping in and saying, okay,

692
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:51,239
ten round fight here, but now
we're gonna order you to fight Carlos

693
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Adamis, who's the interim champion,
who's waiting and who's not gonna risk that

694
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,360
slot. We're gonna order you to
fight him in a certain amount of time,

695
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,440
whatever it is one hundred and eighty
days or what or what it is.

696
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,559
What do you make of that they
have done that in the sense that

697
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:08,119
when they allowed Adamis to take his
last fight, the plan was, according

698
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:12,800
to the way the WBC described in
their order, was that both the Damas

699
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,480
and Charlot would be permitted to take
interim bouts and then they'd be ordered to

700
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,800
fight each other. A Damas had
an interim bout, hopefully he gets another

701
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,800
one. We is going to keep
waiting, and Charlot this I guess technically

702
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,920
would be his interim bout, and
then I guess supposedly we'll see how it

703
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,199
works out. But I guess then
the WBC, based on their previous ruling,

704
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,559
would say after Charlot takes this fight. If he wins, they will

705
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,360
then make the order that it will
be Charlot versus Benavid's and who that knows.

706
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,079
If Charlote's even gonna want to stay
at one hundred and sixty since he's

707
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,639
not making that wait for this fight, and maybe he moves up, who

708
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:44,360
the heck knows. But like I
said, the main thing is it's good

709
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,760
to see Charlot healthy, back in
the ring, got hopefully his life in

710
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,239
order. The reason for this long
laugh is, you know, in the

711
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,719
beginning was partly because of injury,
but that was a couple of months.

712
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,320
It's mainly been all the other issues
that's been having outside the ring. As

713
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,360
far as the rest of the card
goes, we've talked about the prospects of

714
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,400
these fights. You're talking about the
IBFG welterweight title defense between the title holder

715
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,000
Sabril Mattias, the big puncher all
knockouts and his wins from Puerto Rico,

716
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,480
against the mandatory Shoha John Ergyshev.
Again, this is one of the fights

717
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,679
that TGB won at per SPID that
shapes up like a very interesting fight,

718
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:17,519
very solid fight. Ergyshev is undefeated, Mattias has the one loss avenged,

719
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,599
huge puncher. That should be an
interesting matchup for sure. And then you

720
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,079
have the other fight I mentioned.
We've talked about in the past. It

721
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:31,000
is the WBA's Junior lightweight title defense
between Hector Luis Garcia and his mandatory Lamont

722
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:35,199
Roach. Now Garcia when he won
the title in a kind of an upset

723
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,920
over Gutierrez, he has not yet
defended it because in his next fight he

724
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,599
went up to one hundred and thirty
five and was the opponent that got knocked

725
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,599
out by Gervonti Davis in January.
But he decided, Okay, now I'm

726
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,440
going back to one thirty to defend
my title. So this is that mandatory

727
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,840
Lamont Roach. He has lost one
fight in a title fight, that was

728
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,840
against Jamel Herring when he was Jammel's
mandatory back a few years ago. Roach

729
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,559
A is a consummate technical boxer.
Garcia is not as much of a technical

730
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,320
boxer as Roach. Honestly, when
I look at the matchup like they're two

731
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,079
good fighters, hard to see this
one being action packed. Hopefully I'll be

732
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:13,719
wrong. This one has science written
all over it. As we'll see a

733
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,000
boxing match and we'll see whoever it
can be the better boxer on that night.

734
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,199
All right, speaking of Showtime,
you have been talking on these podcasts,

735
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,199
You've been running about it on your
substack, and we've been putting it

736
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,159
out there on Big Fight Weekend dot
com as well about whether or not they

737
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:29,280
would have one more pay per view. It does not look like it.

738
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,199
What does it look like they're going
to do here in December before the end

739
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:37,559
of the run after thirty seven years
for Showtime Championship Boxing and pay per views.

740
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Yeah, it's kind of a sad
situation, as we've talked about where

741
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,000
they're going to get out of the
biz, but it had been unclear.

742
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:45,320
We all knew they were going to
do this fight card that they're doing,

743
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,400
remember twenty fifth with the Benavids against
andre and they rounded out the undercard with

744
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,360
the fights we just talked about.
So now the question became, what are

745
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,880
they going to do besides that?
And as it was said to me on

746
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,719
a multiple of occasions by various people
who would be involved, where is the

747
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,000
possibility that there would be a December
ninth pay per view? Which was termed

748
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,679
to me as like the stronger possibility
along with the possibility of a non pay

749
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:14,280
per view regular network fight to close
up shop on December sixteenth. As it

750
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,239
turns out, and now apparently this
is what's going to take place. Nothing

751
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,280
is official yet, but this is
where what I am told by people at

752
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,599
the network and others involved with the
event. There will be no pay per

753
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:27,239
view. There will be no event
on December ninth. They will they will

754
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,960
have a network show on December sixteenth. It will take place at the Armory

755
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,760
in Minneapolis, which has become a
place where they've done a number of fights

756
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,639
over the last few years, and
the headline fight on that show will be

757
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:44,000
the WBA Regular supermdaway title holder David
Morrell, who is based in Minneapolis and

758
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:49,000
has a fan base there. Opponent
still not yet set or signed that I

759
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,159
guess they're finalizing a deal. I'm
not sure who that opponent is, so

760
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,400
he'll be on that card. It'll
be a tripleheader most likely. One of

761
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,519
the fights that probably will land on
that card also is the rematch between the

762
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,800
lightweight Chris Colbert and Jose Valenzuela.
Colbert won a decision over Valenzuela in a

763
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,400
controversial kind of decision. There will
be a rematch and so that's at least

764
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,440
another one of the fights. And
then the other fights that were sort of

765
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,920
bandied about as for this possible pay
per view fights like Arislani Lara against Danny

766
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:23,280
Garcia, Amantis Danionis in a regular
welterweight title defense against Keith Thurman. Those

767
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,760
fights are not going to take place
on this showtime card. They are too

768
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,920
expensive. It's not a kind of
a card that needs them to help sell

769
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,239
tickets because it's in Minneapolis. TA
can put on you against me and it

770
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,280
would already be sold out anyway.
So if those two matchs pas, okay,

771
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:42,199
you're saying because of morel So is
it the case if it happened,

772
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,519
they would be probably early next year
or so? Cinsure on the subject.

773
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:49,920
Is it the case from your reporting
that there just was not an appetite from

774
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,440
Paramount and whoever to pay for the
expense of the pay per view and the

775
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,760
expense of the fighters, And that's
why it's not happening. After it had

776
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,920
been rumored there would be one more
pay per view. What what happened?

777
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,079
The network show costs them more than
the pay per view because on the on

778
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,559
the pay per view, they're not
taking any game they're not. It's not

779
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:07,880
their money. They're they're just they're
helping out on fight night with the with

780
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,840
the cash flow. But the expenses
are basically just a production and you know,

781
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,760
some other smaller expenses. So uh, I think what happened was they

782
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,800
just figured, you know, it's
too many pay per views in a row.

783
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,960
It's not a strong paper view to
really sell. There had been conversation

784
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,760
that maybe they would try to headline
it with the Mayweather exhibition fight, which

785
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,039
I don't think anybody really had the
appetite for. And they are going out

786
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,519
of the boxing business, so they
weren't going to go like off the off.

787
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:36,719
Uh. You know, their their
their plan, and I would assume

788
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,400
that behind the scenes there was some
lobbying. I'm sure I didn't ask them

789
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,360
about this, but I am quite
sure that Steve Espinoza, who's the the

790
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,199
outgoing president or of the of the
soon to be the Funk Showtime Sports Department,

791
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:51,079
lobbied to say, look, guys, we've been in this business thirty

792
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,800
seven years. We have a beautiful, incredible history in boxing, and we

793
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,239
owe it to our subscribers, to
the fans, to our partners, and

794
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,840
just to the history and to ourselves
frankly, to go out the right way,

795
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:07,679
put on one more show. Let's
close it up the right way.

796
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,480
Let's you know, not just bow
out with a pay per view and then

797
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,840
a replay a week later. Let's
just do this the right way. We'll

798
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,599
put on a solid card. It's
not star studded, but you know,

799
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:20,360
if it comes off that, it's
morel in the main event and they put

800
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,800
on that rematch, I mean those
are I mean, they're not the biggest

801
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,159
fights in the world, but at
least it's worthy of being on Showtime.

802
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,719
I wanted to vomit when I thought
there might not be another Showtime Championship Boxing

803
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,880
card and that the last live Showtime
champions of Boxing card that we would go

804
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,679
out on was that piece of shit
card I went to in August that took

805
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,119
place at the National Harbor, that
had the two blowout prospect fights that stunk

806
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,280
in the two fights first and then
the main event was that bandonweight piece of

807
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:52,559
crap where nothing happened for eleven and
three quarter rounds until Emmanuel Rodriguez dropped Melvin

808
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,440
Lopez three times in one one of
the worst fights I've ever had the misfortune

809
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,119
to be ringside for So if that
was gonna be my lasting memory as a

810
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,639
ringside spectator for Showtime, that would
have made me said, now, I'm

811
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:06,960
not going to be going to Minneapolis, but at least that won't be the

812
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,599
last Showtime Championship boxing from August that
I just mentioned. So hopefully they'll just

813
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,199
go out on the high note,
put on a good card, Hopefully get

814
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:15,840
to get their producers, you know, into the film room and cut together

815
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,519
a wonderful highlight package the way HBO
did when they ended their run, so

816
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,079
I can go back and look at
it on YouTube and whenever and relived the

817
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:27,320
great memories of the awesome Showtime fights
through the years. But I think that's

818
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,960
what happened. I think they just
said, you know what, fuck the

819
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,800
pay per view, Let's just do
a regular show, make it a good

820
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,159
show best we can, you know, spend the money we've got left in

821
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,360
the budget, and let's get on
with things all right, and moving right

822
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,880
along. You have also been mentioning
the return of Virgil Ortiz and then likely

823
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,639
it would be moving up to junior
middleweight. Golden Boy has made an announcement

824
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:49,519
on Thursday as we tape the podcast. It is now official more details.

825
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,119
Yeah, not as surprise. I
had reported this the day before, as

826
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,760
did our friends at Boxing Scene.
They made it official the next day,

827
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,400
which is like you mentioned, Virgil
Ortiz will be moving up to jingor middleweight.

828
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,480
As when we did the interview with
Oscar de la Hoya that played on

829
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,280
the podcast a couple weeks ago,
we talked about that as the likelihood and

830
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,239
that he would fight in the first
part of January, which is exactly what's

831
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,000
going to happen. So he will
be back to headline a his own card

832
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,039
January the sixth. He'll take on
Frederick Lawson. Probably not the most known

833
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,639
guy to the most of the boxing
public, but he is thirty and three

834
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,599
with twenty two knockouts. He is
from Ghana, he lives in Chicago.

835
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:28,320
He's fought a couple of okay guys, not the biggest name for Virgil,

836
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,000
who's been out of the ring for
now. It'll be I guess close to

837
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,440
a year anyway since his last fight. In all the medical issues and a

838
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,039
new way class, I guess,
not the worst thing I've heard of.

839
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,639
I'm a little disappointed that just because
the last Virgil fight was supposed to be

840
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,280
a big time fight that we're all
looking forward to against Stanionis, So to

841
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:51,480
go from Stanionis to Frederick Lawson.
That's like you see Stanionis on social media

842
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:52,880
when the news got out that this
was the fight and it was not him,

843
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,480
and Stanionis quote tweeted or on x
and said, make sure to loss

844
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:05,360
and make sure you get at least
half purse and advance tremendous black listen right,

845
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:07,280
Yeah, for his canceled fights,
and he doesn't even get the he

846
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,400
doesn't get the fight with Ortiz because
it's going to be a junior middleweight fight

847
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,559
that's going to be coming up,
all right, but the main thing is

848
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,440
good to see Virgil back whatever,
and hopefully because this fight is going to

849
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,599
be in January and at the very
beginning of January and January sixth, that

850
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:22,239
this can lead to the fact that
hopefully he can have there. I mean

851
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,599
unless with that, unless there's some
crazy reason, you know, like a

852
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,159
legitimate injury or something like that,
what she hope doesn't happen. If you're

853
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,039
fighting January sixth, there should be
absolutely no reason why you can't get three

854
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:36,639
fights next year. You fight in
January, hopefully fighting like the late spring

855
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,199
or summer and then maybe fight again
in the fall. Listen to you talking

856
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,800
like a crazy boxing guy from the
eighties, nineties and early two thousands when

857
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,920
fighters fought three or more times in
a year. Stop this crazy talk.

858
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,800
If you fight in January, fighting
three times is not anything. Uh,

859
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,239
I don't disagree, not bad,
you know, I don't disagree. All

860
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:58,159
right, Real quick news on Philip
Hergovich. Does it complicate things that he's

861
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,760
apparently now a promotional free agent again? He had been what with Mattroom with

862
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Eddie? So what's the latest with
that? Well, first of all,

863
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,280
his contract was not with mattrom Boxing. He has been on Matroom Boxing cards

864
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,719
because Maxroom then made a deal with
his actual on paper promoter, which is

865
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,800
Wasserman Boxing. The folks that used
to be running Soroland event in Germany,

866
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,079
that's Cali and Nissi Sourland, but
they had made a deal with Eddie and

867
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:27,199
Philip Pergovich was fighting on those cards, which is why you saw him,

868
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,480
for example in his most recent fight
in the in the co feature against Denz

869
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,960
McKean, when Anthony Joshua at his
last bout. But it is highly unusual

870
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,599
for a fighter like Philip Herkovich,
who is an Olympic medalist, who was

871
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,960
an undefeated contender, who was sitting
not only in the IBF mandatory position for

872
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,960
the heavyweight title, but he is
he's up next, you know, in

873
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,360
the rotation system, when you've got
three titles, all held by Alexander Usik,

874
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,559
you know, being a mandatory,
it still might take it two and

875
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,320
a half years or whatever to get
to fight. You're not gonna sit around.

876
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,880
You're gonna have to fight. But
Hergovich because of the rulings by the

877
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:06,880
IBF to allow the fight between Fury
and Naganu, he is next, So

878
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,039
he's either gonna fight. You know, I'm not sorry to to allow the

879
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:14,360
fight between Fury and Usik, which
is upcoming for undisputed. The main factor

880
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,800
is this, they allowed use the
Fury and USA camps to finalize that agreement

881
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,639
with the proviso that the winner,
even though they have a rematch clause,

882
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:28,800
will not be defending the IBF title. So the bottom line is when Fury

883
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,760
fights Usik, presumably gonna be in
February, not on December twenty third.

884
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,920
Because of what occurred in Saudi Arabia
last week. The reality is that the

885
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,840
winner of that fight, when they
fight for undisputed, is going to either

886
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,119
have to fight Herkovic in the next
fight within and they forget what they stipulate

887
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:46,480
in terms of the number of days
one hundred and eighty days or whatever it

888
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:52,079
is. If they don't fight him, he'll be stripped of that IBF belt,

889
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,360
which happens a lot. Unfortunately,
it's what happened, you know,

890
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,519
when when there's been plenty times where
IBF titles have become vacant because they didn't

891
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,400
make a manage or in the proper
timeframe, and that will mean that Hergovic

892
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,440
will then fight the next available contender
for the vacant title, which presently is

893
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,280
Auto Whalen, who just won an
eliminator for the number two position against Mara

894
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:15,639
Gassia. So you're looking at the
possibility of Hergovic against Auto Whalen, which

895
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:20,400
he will be the favorite to beat
Otto in a vacant IBF title fight,

896
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:22,960
which maybe isn't a huge fight onto
itself, but when you win a heavyweight

897
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,880
title belt, it means a lot
of money and a lot of attention and

898
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,639
a lot of people after you.
And now he's sitting here in the camp

899
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,039
purt seat because he can go and
make a deal anywhere he wants. He

900
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:37,039
can go make a deal with matrom
Boxing, he could resign with with Wasserman,

901
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,519
he could go and be wooed by
Top Rank who's got heavyweight action.

902
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,920
They could go somewhere else. Frank
Warren obviously is very involved in the heavyweight

903
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,920
division. They could go do a
deil directly with the folks in Saudi Arabia,

904
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,360
for example. The point is it's
you asked if it's if it's a

905
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,119
puts a or is it a bad
spot to be in when you're an undefeated

906
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,960
heavyweight contender and your next fight is
going to be for a vacant heavyweight world

907
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,159
title and you don't have a promoter, everybody's going to be after you.

908
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,679
And he's got his manager, Keith
Connelly, who we had on the podcast

909
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,079
a few weeks ago. You know, Keith is an experienced manager. He's

910
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:12,440
worked with lots of quality fighters through
the years. He knows the business,

911
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,119
he knows what he's doing when it
comes to negotiating. He advocates for his

912
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:21,920
fighters as hard as I've ever seen
a manager do. And what he's what

913
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,199
a managers are supposed to do.
I don't think anybody can sit here in

914
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:28,239
their right mind and say he's in
the pocket of promoter X or Y.

915
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,480
Sometimes managers they get maybe a little
too cushy with the promoter and and sometimes

916
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,199
their loyalties aren't exactly where they should
be, which is to get everything for

917
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,920
your fighter. Connley, if you
know him, is not like that.

918
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,239
So you know his goal, and
I'm sort of being sarcastic, is to

919
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,280
get his guys grossly overpaid. And
he hopes I'm sure to do that with

920
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,800
Targovic also, not just get him
paid a huge amount of money, but

921
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,320
have his guy win the heavyweight,
you know, a heavyweight title, which

922
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,920
we'll put him in even a better
position. So the other thing about Connley

923
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,280
is he has done business with all
the big players. He has solid,

924
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,840
decent relationships with pretty much everybody.
He's done business with al Amen, tons

925
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,280
of times. He's done business with
Top Rank, He's done plenty of business

926
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,280
with Mattroum. He may not have
done a ton of business with Golden Boy,

927
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,679
but he's talked to them about different
things. They've got a very cordial,

928
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:19,920
friendly relationship, no issues there.
My point is he is not a

929
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,400
guy that's like some managers where they
have like ninety five percent of the other

930
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
fighters with one promoter. Keith will
spread his guys around. I'll put them

931
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,159
where they make the most sense and
the most dollars. All right, we'll

932
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:35,559
watch out for that with Hergovich nostalgia
time before we are done. It was

933
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,760
ten years ago on Thursday as we
taped this podcast November two, twenty thirteen,

934
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:46,480
Triple G defended his Middleway crowns.
But also it was what happened on

935
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:52,719
the undercard that still sticks with you
and sticks with anybody that's a boxing fan

936
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,639
with what happened after that fight.
You were ringside for this card at the

937
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,800
MSG Theater. Tell us more on
nostalgia. Well, first, in terms

938
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,960
of the main event, Galofkin was
in the middle of the tremendous run where

939
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,320
he had come to America. He'd
already had a belt, but he was

940
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,559
not really that well known outside of
Germany and to the real true diehards.

941
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,280
He made a huge impression when he
came to HBO and had that first bout

942
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:21,039
against Crocs up in the Turning Stone
Casino in upstate New York. The bottom

943
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:25,719
line was he just just blasted onto
the scene and now he's making a name

944
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:29,800
for himself, and now he gets
a chance to go back for a second

945
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,599
fight at the Madison Square Garden Theater. He had already defeated Gabriel Rosato there

946
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:35,880
earlier, who remember if you remember
that fight, he sliced him up,

947
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,800
bad cut him and they stopped the
fight. Now he's taken on Curtis Stevens,

948
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,679
who was a big puncher and a
lot of people thought he would give

949
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:45,800
Triple G a real tough fight that
night, and it was anything but.

950
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,360
And there's the famous scene if you
remember we talked about moments in boxing,

951
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,920
where in that fight Triple G landed
a huge, huge punch and dropped him

952
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:59,119
and the look on his face Stevens
when they showed the replay and Lampley,

953
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,280
Jim Lampley on h calling a Kazakh
thunder because he put him on his ass

954
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,880
like that. And then from that
moment on that was in I want to

955
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,119
say, and maybe like in the
second round of the fight, U he

956
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:13,280
just absolutely delivered a huge beatdown on
Curtis Stevens and they stopped the fight in

957
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,320
the in the corner, after the
after the eighth after the eighth round,

958
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:22,920
and It was like another explosive Triple
G performance as he continued to just rack

959
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,159
up, you know, one knockout
after the other against all these you know,

960
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,320
good quality contenders. He ended up
running that streak to like twenty three

961
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,760
knockouts in a row until he finally
went the distance in a close win against

962
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,599
Daniel Jacobs a few years later.
But he he was in the midst of

963
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,719
the record tying a streak of title
defenses. It was his you know,

964
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,960
he ultimately tied the record with b
hop Bernard Hopkins at twenty in a row.

965
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,559
But so that was his ninth title
defense, fifteenth knockout in a row,

966
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,360
and at that moment, he's the
most exciting fighter in boxing. Everybody

967
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,599
wants to watch Triple G. There's
big fights that people want to see him

968
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:58,039
in and those were the great Those
are great times to cover those fights.

969
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,719
Now, that was the main event. Now we didn't know it at the

970
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,039
time, but in the undercard,
which was a heavyweight fight between that at

971
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:08,599
the time two up and coming guys
Mike Perez and also magamat avd the Salamov

972
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,800
who was a top prospect. They
had a tough fight, but I you

973
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,639
know, we know what happened in
the fight. You know, Magamat ended

974
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:21,800
up having a brain injury. He
ended up in a medically induced coma,

975
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:27,159
had surgery, and you know is
it was a life altering injury. I

976
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,519
mean, he needs constant care.
It's a terrible situation. I mean,

977
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,679
you're lingering there between life and death. And you know, some might say

978
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:36,320
it might have been better if he
had passed for himself and his family not

979
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,000
to suffer, and just just as
terrible, as bad as you can get

980
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,199
in boxing to have that happen.
Having been ringside for that fight, though,

981
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,320
I have to be honest with you, that was not one of the

982
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,199
twenty toughest fight has ever seen.
I mean, I didn't think that fight

983
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:53,199
should have been stopped. The reason
why it turned out to be the situation

984
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,800
that it did was because, as
it became found out later after lots of

985
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,480
investigation and lots of discussion and lawsuits
in the WHO nine, is that the

986
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,000
New York State Athletic Commission was one
hundred percent derelict and their mishandling of Magamed's

987
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:07,960
care after that fight to the extent
where they basically told him to go to

988
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,320
the hospital and send him out of
the garden with his team to basically handl

989
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,119
a cab and he's thrown up on
the street corner and ends up in a

990
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,119
fucking coma. So they ended up. They didn't admit guilt, but at

991
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,239
the end of the day, the
New York State Athletic Commission, after lawsuits

992
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,719
and a bunch of different things occurred, legally, they paid out a twenty

993
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:30,840
two million dollars to Magamad into his
family. So if that doesn't tell you

994
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,559
what happened, I don't know what
does. But they mishandled the care.

995
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,440
That's one of the reasons why there's
been some rule changes in New York.

996
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,079
People complain now about how when the
guy gets dropped, the referee, you

997
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,840
know, walk to me, walk
this way, walk that way. They

998
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,039
go through a whole big thing.
That's because of what happened in this Abda

999
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:52,400
Salama fight. So every time you
see that and you get pissed off because

1000
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,599
it's ruining the flow of a fight, remember that the reason it happened is

1001
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:59,559
because this man almost died because of
the New York Commission's ineptitude on that night

1002
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:02,079
where they totally fucked up his care
after the fight, had they given him

1003
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:06,880
the immediate care that was necessary.
There's a very strong likelihood and you can

1004
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,760
read this in the legal documents that
you know, sure he may have not

1005
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,760
ever boxed again, but it would
not have reached to the point where he

1006
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,480
was, you know, incapacitated for
the rest of his life. So that

1007
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:19,559
was the undercard fight. So you
know, I have memories of being there

1008
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,360
that are good and bad. The
good was this incredible performance from Triple G.

1009
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:25,519
And by the way, the pres
Abda salamaf I was a good fight

1010
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:31,719
became much more disheartening when we found
out much later of what happened to Abda

1011
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:36,119
Salama. So I always think about
him when when this comes up, you

1012
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:39,679
know, because most times guys pass
in those situations. But he's sort of

1013
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:44,039
now trapped in this prison for the
rest of his life, if you will,

1014
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,000
because of what happened, because he'll
never be the same, and it's

1015
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,760
it's unfortunate, it is it's uh. I just kept thinking of the word

1016
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,000
negligent when you kept saying that the
fighter care. It's amazing that we would

1017
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:59,199
be in twenty thirteen, ten years
ago and there would be so little concern

1018
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,559
from somebody that's been in a tremendous
battle to check them out and to make

1019
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:07,360
sure, if need be, put
them in an ambulance to go to the

1020
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,719
hospital to make sure that they're cared
for, as opposed to, hey,

1021
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:13,480
guys, you might want to go
ahead and just go check yourself in and

1022
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,159
get looked at too while you're at
And that's what the legal system in the

1023
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:20,960
lawsuit was all about for that.
So awful on that one. All right,

1024
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,639
one more bit of nostalgia and then
we will scoot it. It's Canelo

1025
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,599
and I saw you putting up on
social media. The remember it is now

1026
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:30,119
a four years ago when Canelo won
a world title in a fourth weight division

1027
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:35,119
moving up to light heavyweight. That
was four years ago, actually tonight,

1028
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:37,480
as we taped this podcast and release
it on Friday morning, November two,

1029
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:44,760
twenty nineteen, you were ringside for
Canelo's booming ko eventually of Cola. The

1030
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:50,000
thing I remember from that night waiting
for it to get underway isone I'll use

1031
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:53,679
the word idiotic. Dezone made the
idiotic decision that we're gonna wait out the

1032
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,239
UFC main event before we start the
Canelo main event, and the indelible image

1033
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:02,599
of Canelo on the sofa or the
lazy boy or whatever, gloved up,

1034
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:06,840
gloved up in his trunks, ready
to go, and it's like you're holding

1035
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:12,480
up one of the all time iconic
fighters in the last ten plus years at

1036
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,440
the championship level, who's lounging around
like he's watching a ball game on TV.

1037
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,079
It was just stupid. But anyway, you were ringside when the fight

1038
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:25,440
actually took place. That was just
terrible. What I remember about it was

1039
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,519
because of the like you said,
a perfect word, idiotic decision to wait

1040
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:33,039
until the UFC event ended. They
actually got permission to pipe in onto the

1041
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,280
big screens in the arena. That
mean of that. I don't remember what

1042
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,639
fight it was, but the UFC
main event, which I don't think most

1043
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:42,320
boxing fans really gave us it about. That's why they were spending all that

1044
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,119
money. And am I not correct
that you almost went like two hours from

1045
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:49,639
the final fight until the championship fight. It was beyond ridiculous how long they

1046
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:53,239
waited. I don't think it was
quite that long. I don't remember how

1047
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,800
long it was. I just remember
that it was a ridiculous amount of time

1048
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,159
to wait between the end of the
undercard and the main event. You know.

1049
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,800
Look, I've always talked about when
I was writing, when I would

1050
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,559
write on deadline. The most stressful
time for me in a fight night is

1051
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:11,559
that fifteen to twenty minutes between the
end of the undercard and the beginning of

1052
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,760
the main event, because the goal, and especially when I was working at

1053
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,239
ESPN, was to get your full
undercard story done with quotes and get it

1054
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,760
in for the main event starts.
That's a hard I mean, you know,

1055
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,920
try it one of these days,
especially when there's a ton of people

1056
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,000
yelling and screaming around you, and
it's not any easy. I mean,

1057
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,639
but I did it, I mean
a thousand times. I mean, you

1058
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:30,760
get to a point where you can
just do it on muscleide, right,

1059
01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:34,679
And I'm proud of that, that
skill and that ability to be able to

1060
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:39,199
turn a story around like that in
short order. On that night, I

1061
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:41,639
could have written fucking war in peace. The way how much time there was,

1062
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,000
you could have left the arena and
gone to a restaurant nearby, had

1063
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,360
a three course meal and come back
all right. So the bottom line was

1064
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,679
you right. That indelible memory was
the pictures of the two fighters, like

1065
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:57,360
basically napping in their dressing rooms always
loved up around, particularly embarrassing because Canelo

1066
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,599
was the number one fighter at the
time and the pound for pound probably certainly

1067
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,400
in terms of the marketability and star
power. You know, big fight against

1068
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,119
covid Lev and then never fucking with
him by like making everybody way. It

1069
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:11,360
was ridiculous. But anyway, you
know, Canelo Alvarez, he was h

1070
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,119
he had he had fought at in
that you know, going up in that

1071
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,000
fight he had his previous fight had
been the Daniel Jacobs fight, which was

1072
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,159
in the middleweight division, and now
he's going up two weight classes to take

1073
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:25,840
on covid Lev. Now he had
been in the one fight against Rocky Fielding

1074
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:29,320
prior to the Jacobs fight at super
midweight, so he had fought at least

1075
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,239
one fight against like a semi decent
guy at one sixty eight. But he

1076
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,320
had been back at one sixteen in
a tough fight against Jacobs, and now

1077
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,559
he's going up two weight classes the
one seventy five essentially not essentially the same

1078
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:44,199
thing when when Charlow came up to
fight him, he went from junior middleweight

1079
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,039
to supermanow eight, that was two
weight classes. In this case, you

1080
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:53,480
have Canelo going from uh middleweight to
light heavyweight again, two weight classes.

1081
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,360
So there were some people that thought
that's a dangerous fight because even though covid

1082
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,079
Lev, you know you want to
you wanna Monday more and quarterback, so

1083
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:02,840
be it. But there was a
lot of people that gave Kviallev a good

1084
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,920
chance because he was a tremendous puncher. He was a bigger fighter, no

1085
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,280
question about it. He may not
have been at his best anymore. He

1086
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,199
had beaten Anthony Yard in a tough
fight a few months earlier, where he

1087
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,400
stopped him in the eleventh round,
but before that he had regained the title

1088
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,679
against a leader Alvarez to avenge a
knockout loss. This he's not beaten bums,

1089
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:25,480
you know what I'm saying. It
was like it was not an unreasonable

1090
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:30,000
thought to think that he might give
a Canelo some trouble because of his punching

1091
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:33,880
power and because of his billion noise, his experienced level, and of course

1092
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,320
the fact that he was a much
bigger guy. And by the way,

1093
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,400
for the first like eleven rounds,
it was looking like it might have been

1094
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,800
a bad mistake for Canelo to take
that fight because he was given him a

1095
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,599
real tough fight. So through ten
rounds of that fight, one judge had

1096
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,199
that fight ninety six to ninety four
in favor of Canelo. That's obviously close.

1097
01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:55,760
Another judge had it also ninety six
to ninety four in favor of Canelo,

1098
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:59,360
obviously close. And the third judge
had the fight after ten rounds ninety

1099
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,840
five to ninety five a draw.
So even though he's up on two cards,

1100
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:05,760
that fight is still on the table
going to the championship rowns eleven.

1101
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,599
And what did we see. We
saw Canelo Alvarez turn in, for my

1102
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:14,360
money, maybe the best knockout of
his entire career because of the combination of

1103
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,800
the of the how nice of a
knockout, It was just esthetically pleasing and

1104
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:21,239
exciting with a huge punch that just
rocked Kovilev's world and dropped him, combined

1105
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,960
with the fact that this fight was
still up for grabs in those last two

1106
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:29,840
rounds, and then you take into
account what it meant because he stopped him,

1107
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:31,920
you know, with what forty five
or fifty seconds left in the round,

1108
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:35,359
and it was a huge win because
not only does he win spectacularly,

1109
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:42,039
make sure he cemented what was a
super close, possible decision route going fight.

1110
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:45,680
He also won a world title in
a fourth weight division. He had

1111
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,720
won title at one hundred and fifty
four pounds, He had been the middleweight

1112
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,560
champion, he had won a belt
at super middleweight, and now here he

1113
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,199
is winning a title in the light
heavyweight division. So that's a big,

1114
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:01,920
big resume fight for Canelo Alvarez because
for a long time, Covialev was the

1115
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:05,159
scariest guy out there. You know, the two scary guys that the one

1116
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,079
that with a boogeyman, so to
speak, were Covialev in Triple G h.

1117
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,760
They were knocking out everybody. And
I mean, maybe Kvalev has not

1118
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,119
finished his career in a blaze of
glory, but for a period of time,

1119
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:20,640
he was a bad motherfucker's the bottom
line. And Canelo closed the show.

1120
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,359
That's a phrase I'm thinking of and
where I said on the last podcast,

1121
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,479
don't leave it up to the judges, leave it up to that thunder

1122
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,720
his right hand to settle things.
And he did that night four years ago,

1123
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,720
and when he knocked the guy out
like at that moment, like I

1124
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,840
was talking about, like the most
energetic moment I ever have been in for

1125
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:45,000
a fight. Single moment on a
punch was when Julio Cesar Chabas Junior knocked

1126
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,239
down Sergio Martinez in round twelve.
I'm possibly about to pull an upset and

1127
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:53,720
win the Middleway Championship. That the
whole place for a time when he was

1128
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,680
getting his ass kick, that was
all there for, mostly for Chabas just

1129
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,079
blew up like crazy when he scored
the knockout. It's maybe not at at

1130
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:02,720
that level, but when Covilev got
drilled by Canelo, the pop of the

1131
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:08,760
crowd, which was all Canelo obviously
was unforgettable. What the crowd when they

1132
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,079
blew up when he knocked him out, phenomenal memory. That's why we love

1133
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:16,199
Dan for the insight on the nostalgia
and being there at ringside. And by

1134
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:19,600
the way, we should tease this
on the Recap podcast with whatever happens this

1135
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:25,279
weekend. There's plenty of more great
nostalgia from this weekend, including a fan

1136
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,199
Man My God thirty years ago is
fan Man Holyfield Bow two. We're going

1137
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:31,359
to talk about that Sunday. There's
a tease, right Phil, We're gonna

1138
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:35,439
talk about that Sunday in the nostalgia
because it's closer to the actual day on

1139
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,720
that. With that, we've got
championship fights again in Monte Carlos Saturday afternoon

1140
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,439
US time. Also, this cruiserweight
vacant WBC title fight is Saturday night from

1141
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,039
Miami. Saturday night. Later the
Heavyweight Showdown Top Rank ESPN. A lot

1142
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:55,399
of action we previewed. We heard
from Jamel Herring again his fight card Tuesday

1143
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,000
night. Don't be looking for that
this weekend the Broadway Heroes on the Hunt

1144
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:02,880
Udson Show Broadway Boxing. That will
be Tuesday night from Debella Entertainment. By

1145
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,319
the way you talked about your Jamel
Harry interview, We've got some good interviews

1146
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:10,880
coming as we lead up to the
Andreid versus Benavidis fight. I have spoken

1147
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:15,239
with both of the participants, David
Benavitez as well as to meet you Andre.

1148
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:16,520
Some excellent interviews with those two fellas, and we will play them on

1149
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,439
upcoming shows. You hear my tees
and you raise my teas with a couple

1150
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,800
of more interviews that we're teasing here
later on in the show. Again,

1151
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:29,399
follow subscribe because we may put these
interviews up separately from the preview or the

1152
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:32,800
recap, and you need no other
means of social media prompt or anything else.

1153
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,760
You'll get them automatically if you're following
and subscribing on all the podcast outlets

1154
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,640
to the Big Fight Weekend Podcast feed. With that we have not made reverence

1155
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,359
of this first time. At the
end of the podcast, I will see

1156
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:46,439
you, talk to you, and
we will handicap the fights on the bet

1157
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:51,520
US Boxing Show live at one Eastern
time on the bet US platforms on YouTube,

1158
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:56,640
Twitter, Twitch. We will be
there on Friday afternoon at one Eastern

1159
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,279
time. I will see you then
and then whatever happens with this, let's

1160
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,560
reconvene and recap it off the weekend
out Monday morning. How does that sound?

1161
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,479
That sounds good? All right,
So again plenty on this program,

1162
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,840
follow subscribe. It's the Big Fight
Weekend Podcast feed. Dan and I again

1163
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,399
talking to you on vet us TV
Friday, one Eastern time, off the

1164
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:16,720
weekend. The Fight Freak to Night
recap is coming for now. We're good

1165
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,479
for Dan Rayfield. I'm TJ.
Reeves. Thanks for being with us.