You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
murders and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with
Kristin Dilly. My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a researcher,
a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social media
manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner in
crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to Mind Ever Murder. I'm Kristin Dilly and
I'm Bill Thomas, and we're back for another fun filled episode of Mind over
Murder. It's a beautiful spring day here in Virginia. How is it where
you are, mister Thomas. It's a beautiful spring day. Actually, we've
had really extreme, really cold, windy weather with sixty mile an hour winds,
so lots of trees down, power outages, all that kind of stuff.
We got lucky, and my voice is still recovering from a protracted belt
of illness. But here I am ready to give it my all for you
good people. When you say illness, now, people are going to start
to be concerned that there's something wrong with you. No, it was,
of all the darn things, it was an ear infection that was causing my
voice to get all wonky and weird. This is true. You are the
only person I know over the age of four who's ever had an ear infection.
Right, it seems like a little kid thing. More research may be
called for, but in the meantime, we have more serious matters to discuss,
we do. It has been two months since the January eighth presser during
which the FBI and the VSP announced that Alan Wade Wilmer was linked to the
murders of Robin Edwards, David Knabling, and Teresa Howell. This was also
the press conference at which they did not announce but should have, that Wilmer
Senior was also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Keith Call and Cassandra Haley
back in nineteen eighty eight. Since then, we have been I feel like
maybe inundated isn't a strong enough word for what we have been with tips and
information, messages of support from so many wonderful listeners, and so we wanted
to take a couple of minutes. Here we are two months later, and
I feel like at this point we have to ask ourselves where do we go
from here? I thought we would go ahead and just do a quick debrief,
talk about some of the questions that we have now, and then make
a couple of announcements that hopefully our listeners will be very intrigued and enthused by.
Sounds good. So let's talk debrief. My first question for you,
because I have very definite opinions on this it's two months on, where are
we both emotionally from I would say an advocate perspective for both of us obviously,
but also this has to have been emotionally traumatic, not just for your
family, but for all the families in the case. Two months on,
where do you find yourself? How do you feel emotionally about this whole thing?
I'm not feeling quite as overwhelmed as I was when this whole thing first
started, but even now, for instance, a question came up within the
last twenty four hours and I'm racking my brain thinking which person provided us with
that piece of information and perhaps just as importantly, where do I find it
now that I want to go back and revisit it, because so this multiplatform
world, yeah, the whole multiplatform world thing, where we get communication and
messaging on so many different platforms. So now someone sent me something that I
think could be very interesting and helpful moving forward, and now I have to
go find the damn thing. I'm not as frustrated as I was two months
ago, although when I stop and think about it even now, I was
watching a report that Wavy television reporter Andy Fox did over a month ago that
I had seen, and then for some reason, I was going back over
some research and I went back and watched this story a second time, and
I have to be honest, I was just about as angry, probably the
third time I've seen the story. I think I was almost as angry because
of the misleading remarks at the press conference. I just find the whole thing
still to this day infuriating that the FBI and the Virginia State Police, and
to a lesser extent, the Hampton, Virginia Police Department, their failure to
be more straightforward in presenting the exciting news that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior had been
identified as a suspect in the murder of Robin Edwards and David Knobling, and
then also now connected to the nineteen eighty nine murder of Teresa Howell, a
cases we've talked about that we were less familiar with, but just the unwillingness
to even mention the fact that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior was also suspect number one
and remain so in my opinion, in the disappearance of Keith Colin Cassandra Haley
in nineteen eighty eight. We've talked to family members any number of times in
the last few months, I think, in particular for the Colin Haley families,
after being told at a private briefing with the FBI that the FBI was
ninety nine percent certain that Wilmer was responsible for the disappearance and likely homicide of
Keith Colin Cassandra Haley, for them two days later to fail to highlight that
or even mention it is incredibly frustrating. From what we've heard from the Call
and Haley families, it feels a deceptive It feels privately, your investigators are
telling you one thing, but then when it comes to a public statement two
days later, they highlight the Robin Edwards dated noveling and Teresa Howell connection,
which is deserved and it's exciting news. It's not exactly good news, but
as we've talked about here before, when you've been waiting for information for over
thirty years, receiving that information and none of us ever expected that the Colonial
Parkway murders are going to have a happy ending. But when you've been waiting
for a good chunk of your life for answers in your sister and brothers,
daughter and sons brutal homicide, those are answers you've sought, and now you
have some answers. So we continue to be excited for the Edwards and Novelin
families and for Howell family. At the same time, we're in constant contact
with other family members and they're infuriated because they're like, what happened to the
information you provided to us privately, which you still haven't even confirmed publicly.
I know I'm with you on all of that. So it sounds like you
are not as overwhelmed, but still just as frustrated. Did I get that
right? Yeah, in the beginning, it was just such a whirlwind.
And of course we've made no bones about the fact that we knew this was
coming. Yes, several months before we had heard from media sources that this
was coming, and we knew Alan Wade Wilmer's name, a bit about his
family, his brother Keith, his brother Tim or Timmy, the youngest brother.
Two of those brothers are deceased now. Alan Wade Wilmer, of course,
died in twenty seventeen, and then Timmy, the youngest died almost a
year exactly the following Christmas twenty eighteen. We're actually trying to spend a bit
more time on the youngest brother, because it seems that information about how this
youngest brother, Timmy, lived and died, seems to be in short supply.
The family has said that he died in an automobile accident, but it
seems real light on specifics. That is interesting and odd all at the same
time. I agree. I think that the news that the families got on
January eighth, if you can use the phrase both a blessing and a curse
for any one piece of information, I feel like this is that piece of
information. We're thrilled for the Noblings and the Edwards and the Howells. Just
as you said, boy, I don't think either you or I had really
stopped to take a minute and figure out, Okay, if we get news
in this case, what is this going to look like for us, all
of us, for you and me as a podcast partnership, for all of
the different families. I think it is just one of those things where we've
been doing this for so long. I don't think we really at least I
didn't hold out hope that it was actually going to come to fruition, and
then when it did, I did not expect the overwhelming amount of information that
came pouring into us, Like almost immediately from day one after that press conference,
you and I were both slammed with information from our social media pages,
and it didn't let up for at least a good month and a half.
It didn't let up. And for that first week or so, you and
I were talking to each other three, four or five times a day.
And I love talking to you, but that was a lot, even for
the two of us, that was a lot. It has been an interesting
journey over these last two months, and I agree with you, Bill,
the overwhelmedness has led up a little bit. There's still a lot going on
and a lot of balls in the air, And I would say that,
yes, there is definitely still a lot of frustration there, but it's something
that I've had to figure out. Okay, we're going to have to go
with the assumption that the frustration is going to be there for a while.
How do I put it aside and compartmentalize it and deal with it so that
I can do all the rest of my jobs. I imagine that's probably a
little harder for you, though, because this is what you do, this
is your case, this is your focus, and I imagine that's probably a
little harder for you than it is for me. Would I be writing that?
I think I'd be a bit happier if the FBI, Virginia State Police
in the Hampton Police Department had been more straightforward in their delivery of the information
on January eighth, and then, of course they were obligated to respond to
press inquiries asking was Alan Wade Wilmer Senior a suspect in the disappearing to Keith
Colin Cassandra Haley, Oh, by the way, you didn't mention that at
the press conference, and they were forced to admit that Wilmer was a suspect
and would remain one. I found myself going back and watching clips of interviews
with former sac IRV Wells, who is the person who is the source of
this information about why the FBI let Wilmer go in nineteen eighty eight after identifying
him as a likely suspect in the Colonial Parkway murders. I would add,
correctly identifying him, if not the offender in the Colonial Parkway murders, certainly
one of the offenders. Because despite the fact that our friends in law enforcement
went to the ridiculous length of renaming the Robin Edwards and David Nobling murder as
the Isle of White Murders, which no one has ever called them the Isle.
Oh yeah, And we want to come back to that in a couple
of minutes too, because that is infuriating. Without doubt, I's stole a
lot of sleepless nights, and I have a lot of questions. There is
some good news that comes out of all of this, though, which is
we have a suspect to focus on, and I want to be clear here,
Wilmer fits what they were looking for yes in Kathy Thomas and Rebecca Dowski,
and now he's confirmed to be attached to via DNA Robin Edwards and David
Knoppling a year later, and then he is suspect number one in the disappearance
of Keith Colin Cassandra Haley about eight months later following April, and now we're
up to April nineteen eighty eight, and he's a good solid fit for the
Labor Day nineteen eighty nine murders of Anna Maria Phelps and Daniel Lauer. So
there's a lot there as we begin to explore his family dynamic with his older
brother Keith, who's still alive, and his younger brother Tim or Timmy,
who I think deserves a significantly greater level of scrutiny because, as I understand
it, now, we've met a lot of people from Lancaster County and a
lot of people that have been very close with the Wilmers for decades and know
the family well. These people want to help. Now we're urging all of
these people to please talk to the FBI and the Virginia State Police with any
information they have about Alan Wade Wilmer Senior at the same time, his brother
Keith, the oldest brother who does not appear to be very close to Alan
in life, and his younger brother, Timmy, who appears to be significantly
closer on an emotional basis in terms of their personal connection. If you were
looking at accomplices or someone who might have assisted in some way, as we
we've talked about with the movement of the cars and potentially boats, including the
Denny Wade Alan Wade Wilmer Senior's working fishing boat, the assistance of a second
person would be incredibly helpful and maybe even logical in some of these examples.
It seems to me that for all the conversation about Keith Wilmer, actually I
think Timmy Wilmer, the younger brother who apparently was quite close to Alan,
who's the middle brother of the three in that generation. Seems to me that
Timmy needs significantly more time, attention, and resources because he could be an
accomplice. We have this odd circumstance where he dies under kind of mysterious circumstances
almost a year after his older brother died. Those new sources of information from
our friends in Lancaster County have been incredibly helpful. And so I regard that
as a real pos development. By the way, one comment that's been made
by people that have known the family for generations is that their father, that
is Heath Allan and Timmy's father apparently was an exceptionally cruel man, or could
be quite cruel, and was very abusive, and for whatever reason, much
of his anger and cruelty and abuse was directed at the middle son, Allan.
So when you start to try to figure out where does all of this
anger and lashing out, where does it originate? I think you have to
take a look at the fact that Alan appears to have been very badly abused
by his father and sometimes by his older brother Keith as well. Timmy,
the youngest brother, seems to be the one that sort of got by because
the two older brothers, Keith and Allen, had taken the brunt of the
abuse, especially Alan. Timmy who had his own troubles in life. There
were drug issues and a number of petty crimes, and he was sentenced to
jail at several different points, often ordered to and to rehab programs, so
he clearly struggled with drugs through the course of his life. The youngest brother
seems to have skated on some of the abuse that the two older brothers suffered,
but in particular people that have known the family for many years are highlighting
the fact that it's allan who with the nexus for this abuse from their father.
Yeah, it does sound like in terms of logical next steps for the
FBI and the VSP to take a look at it. Sounds like Timmy Wilmer
would be a next good step forward. We've had a number of people reach
out and point us to the Murder of the Rappahannock article, which we are
very familiar with, and ask about Keith Wilmer. But I think that,
as you said, it is probably a good idea for Timmy Wilmer to get
a look as well. I would say one of the other popositive things that's
come out of this new development is the fact that we do have more and
more people talking about this case, and that is really only to the good.
The more people that talk about the case in present terms, the more
likely people are to have their memory jogged about things that may have happened to
them out on the parkway or adjacent to the Parkway. The number of tips
that we've had come into us from people who remembered seeing Wilmer's truck, or
who had an encounter with Wilmer, whether it's at the Yorktown Pub or the
Victory Monument or out on the Parkway. That has been tremendous. I had
no idea there were that many people out there who had that kind of experience
with him, And certainly that is only to the good. That information is
very important to law enforcement. We certainly hope that they're getting all of the
information that they need from people, and again we do stress it is so
important that you go forward to law enforcement with this information. So I would
say just the fact that we are very much in the present conversation thanks to
our media partners at WAV and WTKR, WBC, really every media outlet over
here who has covered it. They have done a great job of making sure
that this case stays in the spotlight and that people are talking and sharing information.
Nothing good comes of silence. The more that we talk, the more
that we share, and the more information there is out there to assist law
enforcement. I find that really positive. And speaking of law enforcement, I
would love to see some sort of update in the next month. There has
to be some sort of interim report about what's going on in terms of what
leads are the various agencies developing. How can the public assist that they have
any more information that they can provide. I hope they're taking a really careful
look, not just a Keith the oldest brother, but Timmy the youngest brother
as well. The other thing I've been thinking quite a bit about is with
Timmy's arrest record, I'm actually hoping that at some point, even though some
of those arrests were for not necessarily capital offenses, We're not necessarily talking about
rape or murder or something like that. But he's been arrested a number of
times, and he's been in and out of jail several times prior to his
death in twenty eighteen. I'm hoping that somewhere along the line, law enforcement
took his DNA or fingerprinted him and there could be evidence which should be compared
against available evidence from the Colonial Parkway murders, because I think Tim Wilmer needs
a second and a third look here. Agreed. One of the questions that
I think we all need to be asking ourselves at this point, law enforcement
more than anyone else, is how do we go about making sure that all
of the cold cases in this area are being sufficiently reinvestigated to see if they
may, some way or another be connected to Alan Wade Wilmer Senior. And
that starts with Parkway adjacent cases like Lori M. Powell and Brian Puttinger,
that extends to cases like Donna Canaday and Chesapeake. I think that local law
enforcement should really be taking a close look at any cold case murders from around
that time period, the mid eighties late eighties, and really ask themselves,
is there any potential for this to be linked to Alan Wade Wilmer Senior?
And if so, are we doing a reinvestigation on it? I really hope
that's being done, and I have faith that there are people in law enforcement
who are asking that same question and making those same determinations. One of the
examples of the kind of case that I think should be looked at that was
recently solved is that of Stafford County resident Jacqueline Lard. She was also murdered
in nineteen eighty six, and they've recently identified her killer. He's still a
lot and he was arrested and the announcement was made on March fifth. So
a man named Elroy Harrison, whose aged sixty five, was arrested. This
is after a DNA match and this followed a trajectory which is very similar,
I believe to how the Robin Edwards and David Nobling case was cracked, how
the connection was made to Teresa Howell. Note how this all worked. November
nineteen eighty six, Jacqueline Lard was raped and murdered. She was working at
a real estate office in Stafford, Virginia. In twoenty twenty one, the
Stafford County Sheriff's Office, together with Prince William County and the FBI and the
DEA worked together. Interesting that the Drug Enforcement Agency was involved as well.
They were able to extract DNA from the available evidence from this nine in eighty
six rape and murder. This evidence was sent down to DNA Labs International in
Florida and DNA Labs International in Florida, which had also worked on the Robin
Edwards David Noblin case without success. In this particular example, DNA Labs International
was able to extract a working profile and we thank them for their outstanding work.
And then they turned the DNA profile over to Parabon Nanolabs in Virginia who've
done some outstanding work. We know the folks there and they did the forensic
genealogy. As a result, Elroy Harrison was identified in December twenty twenty three,
a family name was created so they had a working name, and then
they were able to identify Harrison as the offender in February, So this is
only last month. What's amazing about this is finally now we have an offender
who's identified for the rape and murder of Jacqueline Lard. Through further work,
they've identified this same man, mister Harrison, is also likely responsible for the
rape and murder of an eighteen year old young woman named Amy Baker up in
Fairfax. The analysis that they did on the DNA which led to the arrest
also led them to the unsolved nineteen eighty nine murder of Amy Baker in Fairfax
County, and then Stafford County and Fairfax County joined forces and worked together.
They have not yet charged mister Harrison with the murder of Amy Baker, but
that appears to be pending, so I think that is coming. When you
look at this case, all of this originates with a sake grant, a
sexual assault kit Initiative grant, just like Robin Edwards and David Nobling. So
you can see how even though we don't know all the details about how Robin
Edwards and David Nobling's killer was identified, we know that DNA Labs International was
involved. We know that after they were unable to get a profile because the
amount of DNA was very small and very degraded in the Robin Edwards and David
Nobling example, it went to another private lab. We weren't sure which private
lab that was, and we still don't know for certain, although I'm sure
at some point law enforcement will tell us. My thought at the time was
that if it went to one of the top labs in the country, it
probably went to Athram, Body or Parabon, just to name three of the
top DNA labs. Very interesting that Parabon is credited in these recent arrests in
Stafford. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Athram Body or Parabon in the
Robin Edwards David Nobling example. Either way, outstanding work by these labs and
that has resulted in an arrest of a living person. This guy is still
alive and we'll be facing a significant sentence if he's found guilty of these two
rapes and murders. And I'm hoping that they'll be able to identify other victims
of this man. Mister Harrison. Yeah, agree, this is best case
scenario. When law enforcement agencies and DNA labs work together, amazing things happen.
And this is just the latest example. You're listening to Mind over Murder.
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at mindover Murder. Interestingly enough, my aunt. My aunt is on a
cruise and she goes on a significant number of cruises, like they go multiple
times a year. She doesn't. She's at spotty Internet where she is right
and she can only get unreliable headlines. But she she texted me the other
day when she was able to and she said, Oh, a headline about
an unsolved nineteen eighty six cold case in Virginia just popped up on my phone,
but I can't read it. She goes, is it yours? Is
it y'all? But I was like, no, it's not, but thank
you for trying to catch up on it. She's, oh, yeah,
no problem. But I love the fact that everyone in my life suddenly is
a tuned to cold cases from Virginia from the late eighties. But here she
is. She's in French Polynesia right now with my other aunt. Yeah,
seriously, they're on a like a thirty day cruise to French Polynesia. And
she texted me and said, I can't read the whole article, but I
heard nineteen eighty six Virginia cold case. Is this y'all creeps into the whole
rest of my family. Oh, I think that's great. And at the
same time, we don't know Jacqueline Lard's family or Amy Baker's family, but
boy, I think I can put myself in their place, and I have
a bit of a sense of what they've been through. This is a long
time to wait, but they finally have answers, and in this example,
they actually have an offender who's been clapped in irons and is heading off to
face trial. This is phenomenal news. And I think this trajectory, this
plan that they implemented with great effect in the Jacqueline Lard Amy Baker example,
sounds like the very same approach, and this is something that we have to
praise law enforcement. The Virginia Department of Forensic Science and the state Police and
all of the agencies. I love the fact that these two counties are working
together help solve these cases, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Elroy Harrison
named in other cases. Is I sincerely doubt that these are the only two
people who's ever attacked. I'm hoping that the rest of law enforcement agencies around
Virginia are taking note on this and realizing, look, there is the potential
here, the very good potential to solve cold case homicides, especially ones that
have been languishing for a while. They just need to be willing to go
back into it, to do the work, to get the sake grants,
and to have somebody carry the ball all the way down the court. But
I think this is tremendous news. This gives us a lot of hope for
what may come up as the investigation unfolds. Here. The current question,
though, that I have, and I guess we'll take this back to we
can go with frustrating, but I'm also going to go with infuriating here.
I do not understand why the VSP and the FBI are working so hard to
divorce the noveling and Edwards murders from the rest of the Colonial Parkway murders by
renaming it the Isle of Wight murders. No one has ever called this case
the Isle of Weight murders up until now. Why why are they working so
hard to divorce the Edwards and the Nobling cases away from the rest of the
Colonial Parkway murders cases, She asked hypothetically, because I think I know,
but I want to hear your thoughts on it. Well, I'll say it,
and these things need to be said. I think this is incredibly irresponsible
of the FBI and the Virginia State Police to do this. I think they're
actively misleading the public. You can't say that Alan Wade Wilmer Senior had nothing
to do with the rest of the Colonial Parkway murders. Yes, the Virginia
State Police spokeswoman said, there's nothing connecting these cases. Forensically, we understand
that, but circumstantially they were looking at Wilmer four days after Keith Colin Cassandra
Haley disappeared, and I have heard nothing that indicates that he's not somehow involved
in the disappearance of Keith call and Cassandra Haley, particularly when the FBI told
the families at the private briefing that they were ninety nine percent certain he was
the right guy. I don't know why they're doing this. I think if
this is all about reputation management, they don't want to admit that they had
Wilmer and let them go in nineteen eighty eight. I recognize that to tremendous
embarrassment to the FBI, but it is what it is. So if we
can't be grown up enough to admit our own failures and learn from our mistakes,
then we can't move these cases forward. I think it's the height of
irresponsibility, and it aims me to see the FBI and the Virginia State Police
actively misleading the public in Virginia and across the country and around the world.
Quite frankly, I agree entirely. This is all about reputation and face saving,
and it is very irresponsible. It is exactly as you said, Bill,
Mistakes were made. Mistakes happen. That is true in all aspects of
everything that we do and in everyone's life. You grow from learning from your
mistakes. For being accountable for your mistakes, and for doing what you can
to rectify those mistakes, you do not grow, and you lose your reputation
by concealing it, trying to well paper over it, or an other way,
refuse to be accountable for it. And that is exactly what the FBI
and the VSP are doing here, and it is vastly irresponsible. We urge
them to go ahead and take ownership of this. Okay, it is what
it is. It happened trying to divorce the Edwards novel in cases away from
the rest of the Colonial Parkway murders by giving them some brand new, arbitrary
name. They have never in all the years that we have been reporting on
this case and following this case been called the Isle of White murders. Don't
confuse people by doing this now, because that is all that it's doing.
It is leading to confusion. Don't do that. The mistake is what it
was. It's time to own it, put on our big boy, big
girl pants, and deal with it. Agreed. It's been a pretty big
busy couple of months for Bill and I. It should go without saying,
but we've said it here a couple of times this episode. But it's going
to be a couple of big busy months coming up, and we are so
excited to be able to share some really interesting and exciting events that are coming
to you live in April and in May. Billy, you want to go
ahead and start spilling the details. We have been approached about doing Mind over
Murder live events. That is, we're going to record this podcast with a
live audience on April fifteenth and again on May thirteenth at the Yorktown Library in
Yorktown, Virginia. They have a beautiful, state of the art facility.
They've been after us for a number of months, starting in conversation last fall,
and we had told them we knew there was going to be significant news
and a big announcement made in the Colonial Parkway murders, and that we wanted
to wait until after that announcement was made. So we revisited the idea of
a live Mind Over Murder podcast event. So that'll be held on April fifteenth
at six pm. It'll be from six to eight pm at the Yorktown Library.
We'll get you all the details as they all come together. The second
event, which will be on May thirteenth, so it would be my birthday
by the way, Yes, we're celebrating Kristen's birthday. There's a dedicated advocate
for you. How do you want to celebrate your birthday? Kristen, Oh,
I want to do it to our mind for murder live show. After
the end of a work day with teenagers. I do this for you guys.
That's very kind. So they'll be two parts to this thing. We're
going to be doing a live podcast and it'll be a discussion like this.
We'll be reporting out on what's going on with the four double homicides and the
Colonial Parkway murders and all the developments that have happened in this case. And
then there'll be a real short break followed by a what I hope will be
a freewheeling, provocative live question and answer session with questions from the audience.
In a perfect world, you'd come up identify yourself. If you don't want
to be identified, you can use a last name or just whatever name you
want. Make up a name. We're never going to know, well,
we won't know. We want to take questions from the audience courted, so
you know, keep that in mind, So if you don't want to,
you can use just your first name or any name you choose. The idea
is that we want to be able to answer questions from the public, and
this is a free event put on by the wonderful people at the Yorktown Library.
We welcome you. We think this is going to be a sellout.
Although it is free, you are encouraged to sign up an advance because the
room holds ninety people and it's a beautiful facility. And obviously people around the
world will be able to hear the Mind of a Murder podcast at a later
date. This is something that we've been asked about for several years and we're
very excited to be able to bring Mind over Murder Live to you, and
if it goes well, we'll do it again. It's going to be a
party, for sure. My parents have taken this as an indication that I
have somehow made it. This doesn't mean I'm famous or anything like that.
It doesn't make me a millionaire. It just means I'm hanging out and doing
podcasting with ninety of my closest friends and my podcast partner. But they love
the idea that they could come and watch me live. They're not going to
because that's way past their bedtime, but they do love the idea that they
can come watch me live should they choose to. Six to eight pm is
too late. My mom's in bed by seven, okay, because she's also
up at four in the morning. She's a crazy person. Would it make
any difference if she found out that our good friend Joyce called Canada is going
to be there as a special guest, It just might. We are so
thrilled that Joyce will be joining us. I know that public speaking is not
her favorite thing, but she is willing to be there and sharing the experience
with both of us, and we're pleased by that. And we'll have special
guests in May, but we'll announce those at a later date. So this
is Monday, April fifteenth, and then again Monday, May thirteenth, Kristin
Dilly's birthday at the Yorktown Library. We'll be getting information out on all of
our social media pages, so you know, and we would love to see
you there. Yes, absolutely, we are looking forward to that. And
the other big event, of course, is going to be Crime Con,
which this year is in Nashville. It is May thirtieth, June first,
and June second. We will of course be on podcast row. We have
some other stuff that we're cooking up in addition, so stay tuned for more
information. About the things that we are doing at crime Con, but we
are very glad to be back at crime Con for our sixth crime CON's.
I've had fewer than you have because you were at Austin. We've done quite
a few crime cons though it's pretty crazy. We are very excited though,
to go to crime Con. In addition to the amazing guest speakers in programming
is to me all of you. We are so thrilled and so pleased every
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is going to do it for this episode of mind Over Murder. Thank you
so much for listening. We'll see you next time. Mind Over Murder is
a production of Absolute Zero and Another Dog Productions. Our executive producers are Bill
Thomas and Kristin Dilley. Our logo art is by Pamela Arnois. Our theme
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