WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:58.880 The following is a presentation of play Fly Sports properties. Wow, the world 2 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:04.280 is buzzing because this is Rivalry Week. We are here live in the Jolly 3 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:10.400 Pumpkin, East Lancy, right on Albert Street. I'm your host, Jason 4 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:18.120 Strayhorn, along with my co hosts Oldest Wiley and jay U Chu Chu Colchrit. 5 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:25.120 This is Sparta and we've got some special guests. One special guest, 6 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:29.400 major special guest for you today and those of you who know that are around 7 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:36.519 the Detroit area and you listen to ninety seven point one the Ticket two to 8 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:42.760 six pm every weekday. You have Mike Valinni, who you love to hate. 9 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:49.519 This counterpart, the one and only Rico Beer joins us live. Yeah 10 00:01:51.439 --> 00:02:00.920 love, what's up? We goo goo Rico save. Let's get into the 11 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:07.879 origin of the name Rico of that name. Yeah yeah, okay, here's 12 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:13.680 the real truth. This was you can't do this nowadays. I came home 13 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:19.680 with no name. I was baby John Doe and my father was watching the 14 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.560 movie Little Caesars. Well, originally he wanted to name me guy, and 15 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.840 my mother was like, absolutely not. Try again. So he's watching the 16 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.800 movie Little Caesar and the main gangster, the main character was named Little Rico, 17 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:42.800 so that became my name and the gangster you are names have media. 18 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.240 Yeah, that's outstanding. Now, Rico, you know, we wanted to 19 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:52.120 talk to you because you are the resident expert on Michigan State when it comes 20 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:57.159 to the Detroit marketing around the country because of your background at Michigan State. 21 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.719 Now, this being Rivalry week, I know that you guys have been talking 22 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.319 about a lot of different things and trying to dissect this game and looking at 23 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.479 the seasons that each team has had. You know, you look at what's 24 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:14.520 happening ann Arbor versus what's happening in east Land Sea. Just give us your 25 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:20.080 first overall thought processing view of what's been going on so far. I mean, 26 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:24.159 starting in Arbor. I mean I'm kind of I'm shocked because I thought 27 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:29.039 Michigan's gonna fall off a little bit. They lost you know, Aiden Hudson 28 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:35.840 and Jabo Daxon Hill. You know, you lost the the other running back, 29 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.400 I forgot his name, but you know, they lost a lot of 30 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:42.319 people. So I thought maybe they would take a step he Hassen sn Haskets 31 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.759 and then we had the quarterback controversy where they actually benched the guy that wanted 32 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.000 them the big den for the young up and coming guy. But the thing 33 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.400 is, as much as I hate to say it, they they haven't missed 34 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.360 the beat. They keep this thing going. They embarrassed Penn State and they're 35 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.479 walking in seven and oh it's like last year into this game from Michigan State. 36 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.599 I mean you fellas no. I mean, last week was if there 37 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:10.879 was ever a must win game for Mail Tucker, it was last week because 38 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.439 LOWERD knows you don't want to be two and five with two weeks off going 39 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.480 into the bye week. They got the victory in overtime, double overtime, 40 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:24.800 and now you got some intrigue. Now there's some interest. You saw all 41 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:29.560 the injured players starting to file back in except for Darien Snow. You saw 42 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.959 a different defense. You saw players stepping up, making plays, and now 43 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:39.800 you know it went from fire everybody to wait a minute, wait a minute, 44 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:46.279 maybe you got a chance here. Yes, you talked about the injured 45 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:51.040 players coming back in. How big of an impact do you think Henderson coming 46 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:57.800 back and Jacob Slade coming back had on the Michigan State defense. I think 47 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.720 both. I mean I think Henderson from the leadersh standpoint of calling the plays 48 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.920 back there from the safety position. You know, as Otis knows, I 49 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:11.000 mean, you're like the quarterback on defense. But Slade, I think slave 50 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.839 playing on the D line. It freed up a lot of things. And 51 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.439 getting a lot of other guys back on the D line would allow Jacobe Winman 52 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:24.360 and Aaron Brulay to go back to playing linebackers. Fot And now what you 53 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:29.759 saw was speed and athleticism back at linebackers from Michigan State. Toby gets one 54 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.519 of the picks. You know you saw brula I mean he might as well 55 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.839 have been in the huddle the way he was chasing after Graham Merch all day 56 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:43.279 long. You saw things differently where flet's face. The guys the last couple 57 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.079 of quarterbacks who played Michigan State ended up being the Big Ten offensive player of 58 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.040 the week. It wasn't that way last week. They were able to get 59 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:53.720 the pressure, they were able to stop the run in crucial times, they 60 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.560 were able to get the third down and get off the field. That's what 61 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:03.240 those guys bring. It's been there before, and you allow players to go 62 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:08.279 back and play their position. And now the guys who were playing, God 63 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.480 blessed them, But now they can go back to being the depth for Michigan 64 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:15.279 State instead of being forced to be the starters. Yeah, Rico, you've 65 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.160 you've been part of the game for this game. When you were talking about 66 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:24.120 broadcasts and like media for a while, I mean when we played, you 67 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:28.360 were a part of it. And we're talking about the old teams back in 68 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.399 the day and as part as this part in the hist football history, and 69 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:34.680 then like this team right now, have you even thought about like what team 70 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:39.000 relates to this team and what we went through in the season. Have you 71 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.639 ever seen this how we've got a battle. We had a eleven two season, 72 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.600 then we kind of flip flopped the next season. Can you tell us 73 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.000 those those about like seasons that kind of compare to this one right now? 74 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:57.079 Honestly, I think this season reminds me a lot of the two thousand and 75 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.879 twelve year. Did you had just come off of winning the things were looking 76 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.000 great and you saw all the promise, and then all of a sudden the 77 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:10.319 bottom kind of fell out and then you went from oh I expect them to 78 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.360 be, you know, a ten win team and now you're making deals with 79 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.399 the devil. Okay, can we at least be a nine win team, 80 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.199 can com what if I go to Church? Can can we get to seven? 81 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:25.839 And you know they had to win the final game I think against Minnesota 82 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:30.120 or somebody just to become Bowl eligible. And I think that's where you're at 83 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.480 this year. Now, let's hope that it takes a way, it goes 84 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:38.480 the same way, because in twenty thirteen is when everything changed from Mark D'Antonio 85 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:44.160 in Michigan State and that was probably the three best years I've ever seen at 86 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.920 MSU, where not only were you expected to win, but you were a 87 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.920 part of the elite. You want the big boys, you said that, 88 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:55.639 the head of the table. But yeah, you struggled in that twenty twelve 89 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.160 year. You had players, but you just kept scratching your head because there 90 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.360 were a lot of games you thought you were gonna win, but they just 91 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.959 came up by the other side and they were losing. Yeah, you know 92 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.519 you talked about the twenty twelve You're talking about the Andrew Maxwell team led team 93 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:18.240 that didn't in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl. Had you saw Connor Cook come 94 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.639 in the ball game and come from behind to win that game out there in 95 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:28.399 tipe Arizona, which was a precursor for the twenty thirteen season, where we 96 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.480 know that Connor Cook goes on Big Ten Championship onto the Rose Bowl and there's 97 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:39.320 a Rose Bowl Championship and it's a change in of the guard, if you 98 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:45.639 will. Michigan sate done then propels itself into a different position, into the 99 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:50.960 elite spotlight now right now, there's been a lot of focus during the four 100 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:58.840 game slide on position, coaches, coordinators, people calling for heads, also 101 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:05.080 looking at the players out of the portal versus building a culture. Mel Tucker 102 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.279 a guy who has a resume that's Christine. He's coached under some of the 103 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:16.919 best coaches in the world ten years in the NFL, brings an NFL mindset 104 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:22.200 to East Lancy and brings in a lot of transfers. Last year we know 105 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:28.080 he hit the jackpot with Kenneth Walker. This year he finds Brule and then 106 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:35.120 Jacoby WindMan, did you talk about the decision to go with the portal more 107 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.399 so than just trying to build through the recruiting and what do you think that 108 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.639 he will have a job that he's doing so far in East Lands. I 109 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:48.519 mean, I look at it and when you go through the portal, The 110 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.440 portal is the quick fix. It's the band aid now. And I think 111 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.120 a lot of people have really taken this, and I hate to say it, 112 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.440 but my fellow brethren in the media, they're lazy. They don't really 113 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.799 want to put it in work. When it comes to Michigan State, they 114 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.039 just come up. One person says it, and everybody else just acts like 115 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.919 a parrot and repeats it and repeats and repeats it. When it comes to 116 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.120 other teams, they actually do their homework. The portal is the quick band 117 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.919 aid. The portal helps you right now. Long term, you got to 118 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:18.639 develop your own players, and that's through recruiting. But if you want to 119 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.240 be real about it, yeah, Tucker has to use the portal because he 120 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.759 had so like over fifty players leaving the program and you got to replace them 121 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.639 quickly because you can't bring in another fifty freshmen and expect to win. So 122 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.399 that's why you see the brulets and the women's and the players like that. 123 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.919 But deep down he wants to use his own players that he kind of grooms 124 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.399 and cultivates. But if you really think about this, in twenty twenty, 125 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.759 he was stuck with that class. He had zero to do. I think 126 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:52.039 he convinced Jordan Simmons to stick with his commitment and come back. Okay, 127 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.759 So that was d'antonio's class. In the twenty twenty one class, he had 128 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.879 to recruit guys he did not. He wasn't able to bring the campus. 129 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.000 He wasn't able to go to their school to watch and play football because some 130 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.360 of them had their season canceled. There were no camps in the summer where 131 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.879 you could watch them, so you had to go on to Doom and kind 132 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.000 of bring in people who you had to. It was almost like a blind 133 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:16.519 date. You really didn't know what you were getting. You were stuck with 134 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.879 the twenty twenty two class, with the first class, he was actually able 135 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.279 to do go and see exactly what he wants. You know what that those 136 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:30.600 guys are freshmen this year, so that just kind of tells you where he's 137 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:35.799 at as far as his program goes. So he's gonna need a little bit 138 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.279 more time, So that's why he goes to the portal, and the portal 139 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:45.360 guys is as I like to equate it, it's like shaping at the Goodwill 140 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.919 or the Salvation Army. You may find something that you absolutely have to have. 141 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.759 And sometimes you see the stories when somebody throws away a Picasso and you 142 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:00.480 realize what it is and you're like, wow, look at this, or 143 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.759 it's something in there and nobody knows what it is but you. That was 144 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.840 Kenneth Walker. But most of the things at the at the Goodwill store are 145 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.399 just things that other people disregarded and said, I don't need them. If 146 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.679 you can use them, go ahead and use them. So when people think, 147 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.480 oh, you just going to portal if you're really good, you know 148 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:26.039 CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young don't go into the portal because they're good and 149 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:31.320 they're playing. The portal is more so guys who need a second chance need 150 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.919 to go someplace else and get a fresh start. Most of the time, 151 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.000 it's not gonna work the way that people think that it's gonna work. You're 152 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.559 gonna end up with your cavarious crouches of the world. But every now and 153 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.840 then you do get the the Kobe Women's or the Kenneth Walkers, and they 154 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.200 really help out the team. Yeah, I totally agree with you one hundred 155 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.679 percent on that portal because my thought on the portal is there's a reason why 156 00:12:54.919 --> 00:13:00.360 players are in the portal. So with that, do you think you can 157 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.120 say it's gonna start tapering off jumping in the portal as much as they are 158 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.919 because coach Suppers is getting his foot in and recruiting and starting to bring his 159 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.320 guys in. Yeah, Jay Bruy, I think that this next year, 160 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.039 I think they're still gonna dip into the portal, but after that it's gonna 161 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.120 be for select players where I think the way college football goes, you're always 162 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:26.759 gonna take two or three players out of the portal because sometimes there's gonna be 163 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.559 a guy who is homesick or a grad transfer type of thing that you can 164 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.759 just instantly add. I mean, okay, you know what, we need 165 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:37.000 a kicker. Let's go get the best kicker out of the portal. We 166 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.600 need a punter, We need something that we can use next year right away 167 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.039 while we're still grooming this other player. But I think after next season, 168 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.519 yeah, you're gonna see them taper it down because now that twenty twenty one 169 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.240 class is gonna be red shirt and sophomores, and the class and this year 170 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.039 are gonna be sophomores, you're gonna have your freshman, so that means he's 171 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.799 gonna have three full classes in there, and he won't need to go to 172 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.440 the portal as much. I do think that some positions you're gonna constantly always 173 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.960 look into the portal. If it were me. Look, I'm not Mel 174 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.440 Tucker, but I gotta be honest with you. If I'm a head coach 175 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.879 in college, I don't know how much I would recruit a quarterback. I 176 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:22.799 would just look, and I would look at somebody at another school in the 177 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.200 MAC or in a smaller conference who's lighting it up. And you know what, 178 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.159 kind of like Jaydon Reed, Okay, you could have been the man 179 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.519 at Western, or you can come and play with the big boys and really 180 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.440 be the man in Michigan State. So there are a few posit that's just 181 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:39.759 me. I would look because it takes a lot to groom a quarterback. 182 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.279 And as you know, in college football, if you have that quarterback, 183 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.840 that quarterback can win you a couple of games. Just look at what happened, 184 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.399 you know with Washington, you know, and and them going out and 185 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:56.799 getting a QB and how much better they look than last year's team. See. 186 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.799 I kind of disagree with you a little bit on that, because if 187 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:07.240 you get a quarterback in, you get to teach him what you know and 188 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.240 his system. If you bring a transfer quarterback in, you now you got 189 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.080 to break his bad habits that you didn't like about him, and then you 190 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.879 know, teach him. So don't you think that's gonna take too much time? 191 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.279 And you know, especially in a win now industry that we're in for 192 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.519 college football, that I don't think that's prelates. Well no, but see 193 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.679 that's why I say, you want to go down and you want to get 194 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.879 somebody who's been lighting it up in a smaller conference. Somebody I mean, 195 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.279 you know, case in point. You look at a guy like the Bailey 196 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.919 ZAPPI now he's in the NFL doing that, but he was at Western I 197 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:45.480 mean Western Kentucky and we all saw him hands on, like this kid can 198 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.759 throw the ball. Imagine if he had the types of receivers at him as 199 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.960 you had rather than the Western Kentucky. So I get what you're saying, 200 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.320 Jay, You Yes, you know you do want to groom a quarterback, 201 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.600 but I'm talking about a guy who is just on fire, but he's just 202 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:06.159 in a smaller conference that type of quarterback, not just somebody else's second or 203 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.000 third string guy who hasn't played. You have to show me. I'm looking 204 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:14.240 at the table how you threw four thousand yards last year in a smaller conference. 205 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.519 Yeah, I'll bring you in and then I'll let you compete with the 206 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:22.120 guy that I already have and let's see best man wins. You know, 207 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.240 I think that that's a great point you brought up Zafi. He was actually 208 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:33.480 a transfer to Western Kentucky from a smaller Division two three type school before the 209 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.759 Western Kentucky staff brought him in where he lit it up. We saw front 210 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.279 and he threw for about three four hundred yards against the Spartans, which was 211 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.879 kind of customary a year ago. But he's still doing it now today for 212 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.639 the New England Patriots. Now, Rico, I want to ask you. 213 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.279 We asked a lot of people about the new nil era that we're in and 214 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:57.759 how does that play in to the transfer portal and how you may be able 215 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:03.480 to find some hid jewels in that. You know, the rum and sale. 216 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.920 As you're talking about Salvation Army, there's gonna be some kids that are 217 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.480 gonna be promised a lot of money. You know what, here's the thing. 218 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:17.960 Maybe they don't live up to it. Maybe the coaches are the the 219 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.759 alumni who are in these collectives so to speak, Renig, and you may 220 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:30.319 find some talent in that said person that goes into the transfer portal because of 221 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.880 NIL. What do you think about that? NIL is a slippery slope? 222 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.279 And first of all, you know, I'm off for athletes getting paid for 223 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:45.400 I wish you guys could have got paid because I mean you're here, right, 224 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.240 I mean you went out there and you played, and you know, 225 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.519 coaches went out there and made a ton of money off of your backs. 226 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:53.519 Enough stuff that you guys did. Now, that was just the day and 227 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.960 age that we live in. But here's the slippery slope when you do that. 228 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:03.079 I'm more so you pay somebody in the ni L money when they achieved 229 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:08.160 something, not off of promises. Because if you promise, you know, 230 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.200 all of a sudden there's Otis and I want to bring him in, and 231 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:17.240 I promise him, Otis, here's fifty five hundred thousand dollars if you come 232 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.279 in and play safety for us. But he comes in and he ends up 233 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:26.119 getting benched, I still gotta pay him. And the next time I see 234 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.519 somebody else, they're gonna want money because they're gonna say, well, you 235 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.240 paid Otis, so you're gonna pay me, And now I go to whatever 236 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.640 sponsor or booster nigga be like, well what about Otis. I'm still paying 237 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:42.960 that bum Otis, not that you're a bum Otis. You know speech, 238 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:52.079 I'm still paying this guy. So I'm not saying another guy another half million 239 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:53.799 for him to come here and not do anything, so you lose credibility. 240 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.880 I'm I'm not one of the ones who do that. Texas saying them they 241 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.319 paid a lot of recruits to come to Texas A and M it had the 242 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.359 number one class and you look at Texas A and M now they can't do 243 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.119 the same thing because a lot of the boosters are saying, well, what 244 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.279 do we pay these last guys for. They're not even on the field. 245 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:18.359 We just lost the app state, We stink. So no, I'm not 246 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:23.680 paying these guys. So that's the difference. Yet, Jason, it sounds 247 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:29.200 good to do that, but once you go down that road, you can't 248 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.920 ever go backwards. Like Miami I think is going to run into that problem. 249 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.039 How they're paying a lot of recruits to come there and a lot of 250 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:40.440 transfers. If you don't win right away. That money will drive up so 251 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.400 quickly, and now your players who are already they are gonna say, well, 252 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.240 where's my money? How come I'm not getting this. I'd rather do 253 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.319 it the way that Ohio State does it, where the stars once you do 254 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.200 something, Yeah, CJ. Stroud is tooling around in arranged rover or something 255 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.000 like he's got some fancy car. You know what, He's earned it, 256 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.119 and I'm cool with that. But yeah, if you're a guy that hasn't 257 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:10.440 played for the team yet, I wouldn't do it if I was a coach. 258 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:15.400 And honestly, I don't think that that's male Cutter's strategy either. Rico. 259 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.359 You like we talk about what is it going to take to get the 260 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:26.000 confidence back fully one hundred percent for Mission State football. We had Jamon on 261 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.880 on our last episode and we talked about it all starts in the trenches, 262 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:36.319 and we had Hey nine who was all world who made it look easy, 263 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:40.559 made it look good where they made us overlook some of the gaps and holes 264 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.640 that we had. That was evident. But then it's coming to fruition right 265 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.079 now in this season. But like, what do we need to do to 266 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.440 solidify upfront? An offensive line and defensive line to get more consistently out of 267 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.000 them, so we can at least turn the tide, at least get more 268 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.400 eligible. I think, man, you nailed it. I mean, in 269 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.359 order to win, and you need NFL players on your offensive and defensive line. 270 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.720 You need guys that are going to the next level. Ay nine, 271 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.119 I mean it was fool's goal. Can I had more Barry Sanders in him 272 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.319 than what we really start. And for those who watched Barry, they knew 273 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.000 that very Barry had a good offensive line, but he really didn't need an 274 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.160 offensive line. He did it pretty much all on his own. And that 275 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:22.759 was Kenneth Walker. People are like, oh, look at this, but 276 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:29.319 now it really wasn't there. People were more afraid of Kenneth now than they 277 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.960 were anything else. On the offense, They're not afraid of anybody right now 278 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.799 because they know they can get to Peyton Thorn whenever they want to get to 279 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.640 Payton. They know that they could stop the running backs. Well, at 280 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:42.319 least lately, Elijah Collins looks like he's that fall forward running back. But 281 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:48.000 it's still not the same. But yet, you need NFL players and you 282 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.799 need bigger guys on the offensive line, and they brought in taller guys, 283 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.400 a lot of guys you know, six five, six, six, six 284 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.319 seven. I think they even got one recruit at six safety. Now you 285 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.000 got to bulk them up and pray to God that they have some blocking technique 286 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.960 in them. Now, you got to get them some experience. On the 287 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.359 defensive line. You need payfall, you need speed, and you need size. 288 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.720 You need some run stoppers, you need some guys that come off that 289 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.319 edge. And when you look at the years twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen, 290 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:23.680 MSU had a lot of NFL players on both the offensive and defensive line. 291 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.160 And I think that's why you saw such a great success because if you can 292 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.359 open up the whole, you know, they were able to make You know, 293 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.640 Jeremy Lanfer comes in there and replaces Le'Veon Bell and doesn't miss the beat. 294 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:40.279 Why because the offensive line opened up holes for him. On the defensive 295 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.079 line, you had you had Chalik cal Home, you had the Marcus Rushers 296 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:48.039 of the world. You even had Malik McDonald before Malik went full Malika. 297 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.319 You had got the Lawrence Thomas. You had players that all ended up in 298 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:57.480 the NFL. That's when you start winning and I think they have the core 299 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.960 of that, but I think a lot of these guys are just really young. 300 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:07.000 That's why I keep telling people, you know what, just it hurts 301 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.640 because you saw eleven and two and you thought that it was going to continue 302 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:17.079 that way if you let Meil Tucker continue his process. I do believe that 303 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.119 man, in about two years, he'll be back to winning a lot of 304 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:26.160 games, and the Spartan fans will feel good. But you know, Spartan 305 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.359 fans, you know, you know what, I'm not gonna get into this 306 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.799 spoiled No, I'm not going to get you gotta get into it. We 307 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:38.839 gotta get into it. No, because the dude, some Spartan fans are 308 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:45.920 the most superficial and insecure fans ever like this, assuming that when everything is 309 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.920 great, yeah, Tuck, come in, chop chop, and as soon 310 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.799 as you do couple games is oh my god, what are we paying this 311 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.960 man? And we're losing and fire them all and we sucking. When's basketball 312 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:02.720 season starting, It's like, guys, stick with it. You're not going 313 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:07.319 to win all the time. And I constantly have to tell people like this 314 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:12.960 man really has two classes. That's his in this program, this is his 315 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.759 second year. I mean, yeah, twenty twenty was great because they beat 316 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.440 Michigan. But let's be real, twenty twenty was fool gayzy. It really 317 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.640 didn't exist. I mean, think about it. It was about ball. 318 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:32.240 Indiana was one of the top four teams in the nation. Let that sink 319 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.799 in Indiana. The Big Ten had to pull the okie dough so that Ohio 320 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.519 State could go to the playoffs and leave Indiana out of it because Michael Pennix 321 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:47.000 and Indiana was actually the better team. Yeah, so you're talking about giving 322 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:51.319 coach Tucker a chance and let him get a couple of years in. So 323 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:56.079 we go two years, and where do you see this program going? D 324 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:02.000 you see a predominantly year in and year out ten win team every you know, 325 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.960 every year? Or are the abs and flows? Now when do you 326 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.960 see the production of the team? I think that I look, I'm watching 327 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:15.720 like what he did this summer with the hole, with the cars and recruiting, 328 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.039 and you know, and that's the one thing that the stuff that you 329 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.400 do that people love, like the coming and the cars and the cigar smoking 330 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.400 and the Jordans, those are the same things that people make fun of you 331 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.359 when you lose but I watch what he did this summer. With that he 332 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.720 was able to get in the ear of a lot of the top recruits in 333 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:40.279 the nation. He didn't get everybody, but news flash, Alabama doesn't get 334 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.920 everybody, but he did toure a lot of people, a lot of top 335 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.759 talent. The car has committed to Michigan State, and you still got a 336 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.960 couple other guys that are going to flip from other schools and commit to Michigan 337 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.319 State if you can keep that up. Because when you look at Ohio State, 338 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.880 Ohio State is the is the cream of the Big Ten because they stacked 339 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.960 players, They stacked classes. The fact that you know, when you had 340 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.680 Chris Olave, Jackson Smith and the jig but was even better than him, 341 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.039 and now all of a sudden, the Jigba goes down and Marvin Harrison comes 342 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:17.079 in. You stack players. The fact that you know, one of the 343 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.079 Boaster Brothers goes down, but Chase Young just fills in that spot. Because 344 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.720 you keep bringing in these players. And I think Milk Tucker's geared up that 345 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:29.400 way because he knows in order to get to the Big Ten title and win 346 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.480 it, you gotta beat the buck guys and that's something that a lot of 347 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.160 a lot of coaches get stuck on Michigan. Beating Michigan is not that big 348 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:41.440 of a deal. Antonio showed you we could beat Michigan consistently, and that's 349 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.519 not you have to beat the Buck guys. The road to the Big Ten 350 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.319 title, the road to Indianapolis always goes through Columbus. The years that Michigan 351 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.000 State has beaten the Buck guys, guess what, they won the Big Ten 352 00:26:52.079 --> 00:27:00.599 plas So on that rinko, you look at the two contrasting styles between the 353 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.799 two coaches, understanding that this is a new era in the nil But when 354 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:10.799 you look at the recruiting that Mark D'Antonio did, he recruited a ton in 355 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.519 the state of Ohio. He wanted to get guys that came out of there 356 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.480 and had a chip on their shoulder because they may have been passed over by 357 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.079 the Buck Eyes. Because he knew the same thing that the road to the 358 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:25.599 Big Ten championship goes through Columbus. He coached there as a defensive coordinator when 359 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:32.240 they won the national title. His grad assistant at that time was Mel Tucker 360 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.799 as a defensive back secondary. You know, actually, no, he was 361 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:41.519 an actual secondary coach. He was grad assistant here at Michigan State. Well, 362 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:48.000 Melt doesn't recruit Ohio exclusively. He recruits the entire nation. So when 363 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:53.039 you look at the different styles, because I've heard other former players say we 364 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.440 need to recruit more Midwest guys because we need to win our backyard in order 365 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:03.039 to be able to compete with Michigan Ohio State, what do you think is 366 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:08.960 the correct philosophy moving forward and recruiting. Well, they said, here's how 367 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.079 I look at it. Ohio State doesn't really recruit the state of Ohio. 368 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.279 You want to beat Ohio State, you look at where Ohio State's players come 369 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.200 from. They come from Texas, they come from California, they come from 370 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:23.039 Florida. Yeah, they'll take the cream of the crop from Ohio, but 371 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.400 they don't they Urban Meyer taught Ryan Day, don't stick in the Midwest. 372 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.960 If you want to beat the SEC teams, go down to where the SEC 373 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.039 draws their players, and you try to get their players. And I think, 374 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.240 I like how mel Tucker is doing that, because yeah, once you 375 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.119 beat Ohio State, now you're going to end up playing Georgia and Alabama and 376 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.319 the USC's of the world. I think down the road, you're going to 377 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:53.519 need those players who can mess them speed for speed. So that's why I 378 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.319 like when I see Tuck going down into Georgia and THENTO Florida and bringing in 379 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:03.920 kids from Texas. I know it doesn't sound it doesn't feel good because it 380 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.720 feels like you're overlooking the Midwest kids. But guys, I mean seriously, 381 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.559 when you look at this, especially with like the charter schools and like that, 382 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.440 a lot of the Midwest kids are leaving the Midwest and going to play 383 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.759 other places. So if you want to beat the big boys, yeah, 384 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.279 you need to go and shut up at the same grocery store that they shot 385 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.519 at. And and they don't come to Michigan, they don't come to Ohio. 386 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.279 They're in Texas, they're in Florida, they're in California, they're in 387 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.400 Georgia. So if you want to be like them, you got you gotta 388 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.119 recruit like them. Rico, we need, we need the t on the 389 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.359 streets. Like, what what are they talking about right now? As we're 390 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.559 both team down the road? This is rivalry, this is hay week. 391 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:55.519 What are they talking right now about us? Here in Mississi State? Obviously 392 00:29:55.559 --> 00:30:00.279 we're both on by week and next week we obviously are playing them down there 393 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.599 seven thirty at night, and we can talk about the kickoff time later on 394 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.400 after this we answer this question, But like, what's what's happening right now 395 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.279 that we're not hearing from that camp down the road? You know what you're 396 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.240 not hearing is anything, because I don't think butlers. I think em books 397 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.359 on Ohio State right now in Michigan State. Michigan State's speed bum. Michigan 398 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.680 State is let's just not trip over them, let's not lose to them. 399 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.400 But they are more focused on the final game this season. I think it's 400 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.359 what November twenty ninth or something and Saturday in Columbus at noon. That's where 401 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:37.079 they are because they feel like there's no other team in this conference that can 402 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.880 match up with them. So you're it's almost like, yeah, they're not 403 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.440 gonna call you little brother, but it's okay, we have to play them, 404 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.640 and yeah they're gonna treat this like their super Bowl. But if we 405 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.839 just go out and play our game, you know, no big deal. 406 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:57.880 So there's not a ton of buzz this year because they don't like last year 407 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.880 it was too seven and seven and them teams undefeated playing each other this year, 408 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.279 it's to them, I mean what, it's a step above playing for 409 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.240 dude, step above playing Rutgers. Like they was more buzzed for Penn State 410 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.200 than there is for Michigan State. Now give it some time, because you 411 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.759 know former players always step up and say something stupid. I thought Taylor Lawan 412 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:25.880 is annual feet and it was like, okay, I really felt like I 413 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.839 really felt like quote tweeting him saying, is somebody gonna tell him because he's 414 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.400 going on they're gonna play in that dog crap city? And I'm thinking to 415 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.319 myself with Taylor, They're gonna play in ann Arbor, so you know what, 416 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.680 You're correct, they are gonna play. He's going on and on. 417 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.119 I'm like, this idiot doesn't even realize where there's where they're playing. But 418 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.079 even in his rant, did you notice he's talking about Ohio State. They're 419 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.599 more focused on the buck Eyes than they are on Michigan State. And I 420 00:31:55.039 --> 00:32:00.200 can understand that Michigan State's coming in three and four. I mean, the 421 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.319 defense still kind of it looks as bad as last year. You got embarrassed 422 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.200 by Minnesota. So they're thinking, well, in Minnesota and Tanner Morgan can 423 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.119 do this. Lowerd knows that JJ Mcjesus can come in here and get this 424 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:23.000 thing done. Jesus. So I have a question about JJ McCarthy, J 425 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:31.799 man Jesus. But I don't think he's been in a big He's never He 426 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:37.039 hasn't been in a game like this before. The last time last year when 427 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.880 he came into the game, I think he cast them the game. He 428 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.680 had a couple of costly fumbles to cast them. Peyton Thorne has been in 429 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:50.400 a game like this. Mccausey has not been tested from the start of the 430 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.680 whistle to the end of the whistle. So how do you think the pressure 431 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.599 on him or do you think there is no pressure on him? No? 432 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.119 I think right now he doesn't know that there's pressure on him because he hasn't 433 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.559 experienced that. But you're right, No, he did cost him the game 434 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.240 last year. Michigan fans won't admit it, but he ended two drives. 435 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.599 It was one drive that I swear up to God that the ball had bounced 436 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.559 the right way. Ronald Williams takes that back for a scooping score and MSU 437 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.519 gets it. But then he left it on the carpet at the fifty and 438 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.240 said, yeah, I don't really want this ball, and Michigan State grafting 439 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:29.319 it and that turned the game right there. So again in the fourth quarter 440 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.559 he did cost him. I think the moment was too big. But he 441 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.519 hasn't felt any pressure, so it's almost as if he doesn't know that he 442 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.640 should be waiting for that. He hasn't been hit. He really hasn't been 443 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.400 put in a position to fight and come back and win. He's always had 444 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.799 the leader. It's been close, and you know, life has been good 445 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:52.440 for him. I mean, you know, you know, his food's being 446 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.319 cut up for him and fed to him. He doesn't have to go out 447 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.920 there and go hunting and kill it and drag it in and skin it and 448 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.519 do all of that stuff. He's sitting in a great position. But no, 449 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.119 he hasn't. Now, if you're Michigan State, this is where I 450 00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:10.000 tell people, because you know, people like, what do you think about 451 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.400 this game? And I'm like, look, I'm never gonna say who's gonna 452 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.960 win, because I don't think people they underestimate the value of hate, and 453 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.480 I think mil Tucker has adapted that hate from mark Antonio and instilled it in 454 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.880 his players, and even the guys who come in from the portal will quickly 455 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.320 find out, Yeah, this is a different game, and we're gonna play 456 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.639 this differently. If MS you can get in there and hit him and make 457 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.360 him uncomfortable, then we're gonna see what he has to do. But right 458 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.920 now, man, it's all sunshine and rainbows for him because he's got a 459 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.840 great offensive line blocking for him. He's got two really great running backs back 460 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:53.719 there that he's yet to feel the pressure of what college football is. They 461 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:59.599 played a cupcake schedule to start the season off with, so this could be 462 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.960 the first time that Yeah, you're gonna get that that that that hit that 463 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:09.239 comes in. It's a little harder than Hawaii hits you. Yeah, well, 464 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.280 question, do you think, I'm sorry, sure, do you think 465 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:35.119 because the fact that he no, but you know, you're talking about the 466 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.679 pressure of the McCarthy you know, hasn't felt this year. Do you think 467 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:45.239 possibly that's an advantage for him or do you think it's it's a disadvantage that 468 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.639 he hasn't felt that kind of pressure in his career. I do think it's 469 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:52.719 it's a little bit of a disadvantage because that's I mean, let's face it, 470 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:55.719 you guys know, it's former athletes. That's when you find out who 471 00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:00.639 you really are. Everybody feels good and is great when things are easy, 472 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.440 when you're playing in some scrimmages, and when you're playing you know, Division 473 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.559 three teams, everybody looks good. But what do you do? How do 474 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:14.320 you handle yourself when adversity hits? And it hasn't and that's not his fault. 475 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.000 He plays on a really, really good team and he's very fortunate that 476 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.480 he hasn't. He beat out the incumbent quarterback. And now, like I 477 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.719 said, wife is just great for him. He doesn't have to go out 478 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.719 there and throw the ball, you know, thirty times because he can turn 479 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.280 around and hand it off to Blake Form or Donovan Edwards. But yeah, 480 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.440 you do want to see, Like last week's game, Peyton Thorn showed me 481 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:44.559 exactly what he was about, because that was a game that Michigan State had 482 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.599 to have. That was a game that Michigan State wasn't leading until the fourth 483 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.559 quarter and then it got tied up and it goes to overtime. And the 484 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.000 way he kept that team together, Peyton Thorn had one of his better games. 485 00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.480 He may not have lit up the statistics sheep, but it was the 486 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.760 leadership that he showed, the way he kept the team together, the way 487 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.719 they fought. It's something about that when you've gone through the war, when 488 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.000 you've gone through the battle, and yeah, for a guy like JJ, 489 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.960 this could be it. Now. Here's the thing. Michigan State has to 490 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.679 live up to that, and that defense has to make him uncomfortable. And 491 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.880 you got to make him look the way Graham merks, look where you're chasing 492 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.639 him around where he doesn't have all day to just sit back there and find 493 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.320 an open receiver or do the little play action and the read option and then 494 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.559 taking running for thirty some yards. If he takes off and run, you 495 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:37.480 got to punish him so that he thinks about it the next time. You 496 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.320 know what, No, not doing that again. I'm gonna hand it off 497 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:44.880 to you running backs. That's your job. I'm not taking the punishment. 498 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.119 You have to make that man uncomfortable because if you don't let JJ feel the 499 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:55.159 pressure and the hits, he'll tell you apart. Absolutely, who do any 500 00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:04.440 need on both sides of the ball us to show up, show out to 501 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.119 win the game down there. I'm getting right to the point because like I 502 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:12.440 need, we need to win. Like this is that season where that only 503 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.719 game we mark on the calendar is like we can lose everyone, but we 504 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.519 beat that team down a row. You know it's successful. Obviously you want 505 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.360 to get a Bowl game. But what do we need to do? Which 506 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.960 players need to step up and show out? You know, Actually otis is 507 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.039 sad because you're right this year. For years it was great that you know 508 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.719 what, whether you won the Michigan game or not, that wasn't the focus 509 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.559 this year. Yeah, it'll make smart and fans feel a lot better. 510 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.519 I'm sure the team will feel a lot better. I mean I look at 511 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:45.679 a lot of it on defense. I mean you need to play Jacobs play 512 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.480 to come in there and be that force. You need somebody coming off the 513 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.360 edge. You know, this is a good game that that you know, 514 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:59.800 Brandon Wright can just show up, use that speed, Jakobe Winman lay, 515 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.599 you know, looking at x in the secondary, you know a guy that 516 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.920 he's I thought I expected more out of a guy like a mere speed and 517 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:15.639 I haven't really gotten anything like that offensively. And you need Peyton Thorn to 518 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.960 be Peyton Thorn. You need him to go out there and find his receivers. 519 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.280 And you know what I like how when you hit guys, when you 520 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.480 got one on one coverage, use that. Go have to use Kank Covid 521 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.679 use uh, you know, Jay Reid, use those guys. Hey, 522 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:36.800 if nobody, if you want to cover Malik Carr one on one. You 523 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.840 saw what happened last week. When Malik catches the ball, it now becomes 524 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.039 a business decision. And there was a whole lot of badge that said, 525 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.880 nope, I don't want to of this. That's the truth. Now, 526 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.559 Yeah, he got came off the ball, he was wing open man. 527 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.719 They said, both linebackers said go ahead, you go ahead. And you 528 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:01.719 know, here's here's the other person. I don't even know because I know 529 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:07.360 in a game like this, here's what Michigan does have the advantage. And 530 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:12.039 Jake Moody is in money, Well he lies up. You know that. 531 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.840 That's three points for Michigan State. I mean, when was the last time 532 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:21.000 they made a field goal? I mean every time it's just like you're sitting 533 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.320 there and you're praying and hoping to God. I mean, in the last 534 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.559 week, it's just like Okay, can you kick this? Okay, this 535 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.960 little giants know this was just a bad nap okay, but over time, 536 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.239 I mean two different snappers, right, and two different kickers. You know, 537 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.360 this is Jayu's favorite topic right here, because he thinks the kickers aren't 538 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:45.880 even people. And so Michigan State right now struggling a little bit in the 539 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:52.639 in the specialist department, we are struggling. And I remember specifically, there 540 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.360 was some point at the start of the fourth quarter in between that TV timeout 541 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:04.079 from the end of the third two for and I saw our snappers snapping out 542 00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:08.119 there on the field, and I said, we're in trouble. Yeah, 543 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:14.000 I mean, here's the thing. It's not all bad. Here's how bad 544 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:19.840 your season is that Bryce Behingers is probably the MVP of the team. Yes, 545 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.000 yeah, yeah, I mean you here. I mean, here's the 546 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.559 thing. If you're Tucker, you know what, embraced the fact we I 547 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.320 don't trust my kickers, which means I'm gonna go for it, and I'm 548 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.719 gonna go for two a lot because I'm gonna leave my best players out there 549 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:39.079 on the field. That's where it gets risky, because yeah, Michigan's able 550 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.840 to line up a guy who'll probably be Yeah that probably Moody will be kicking 551 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.800 on Sundays. I mean, if I'm the Lions, i would draft him 552 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.760 with the sixth round because he's that good. But yeah, the kicking situation, 553 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.159 I mean, you got the freshman in and you got the transfer and 554 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.639 neither. I mean, kickers are all about confidence, and you can see 555 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.960 when they go out there, they're not expecting the ball to go through the 556 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.519 rights. They're hoping it goes up in there. And when you see hope, 557 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.000 you know you're in trouble. Right. Uh. You bring up a 558 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:16.360 great point about coach Tucker going for it on fourth down. In order to 559 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.320 do that, you're gonna have to open up your playbook offensively. I think 560 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.960 Michigan State needs to open up the playbook offensively. And in order to open 561 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.840 up your playbook, I think we have to make a commitment and establish the 562 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:35.039 run game. And I'm very very curious and interested. There's your thoughts running 563 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:45.360 back? Yes, that's easy, No, but seriously, if you want 564 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.039 to do those flea flicker plays, those reverse passes, I think the main 565 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.519 reason that we got away with those plays this past game against Wisconsin is because 566 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.960 we were able to run the ball. We had ninety nine yards Russian offense 567 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.800 of this past season this past game. So what are your thoughts on the 568 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.760 running back and the running back by committee? And why is Elijah Collins not 569 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.559 getting the carries he deserves? You know, it's funny I can answer that 570 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.920 one. First. Somebody asked me that today, and I wonder if it's 571 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:22.320 there are some players and this is that that that exceed and they do better 572 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.559 coming off the bench. And we see this a lot more in basketball, 573 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.239 where they're players that you know, when you start them they're okay, but 574 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.480 for some reason, when they come off the bench, they're able to do 575 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.199 a lot better. I mean, like last like Malik Hall last year in 576 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.880 basketball, when he started he was scoring three four points. Well, he 577 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.519 came off the benches when he was scored nineteen and twenty points. And I 578 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.920 wonder if that's the same with Elijah Collins where he starts and he's okay, 579 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.400 but if he comes in there as the game progresses, he's he's able to 580 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.559 just do his thing. Now. Either that or or maybe they're they know 581 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.400 what they're getting out of Collins and they want to see what can we get 582 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.400 out of brassar. What can we get out of Burger? Because I know 583 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.880 Elijah's going to bring what he's going to bring, So let's see if the 584 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.880 other two can do something and we can pair them up with Elijah. But 585 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:13.400 that's the question that a lot of people want to know, because you see 586 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.039 what I see. Elijah Collins should be getting a lot more runs. He's 587 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:21.320 the best running back as of Now. I understand the Burger thing because I 588 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.760 guess you know it was your old team, so you out of spite, 589 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:29.000 you want to go out there and beat your old team. But yeah, 590 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.519 you want to play Collins. Now, as far as the trick plays in 591 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.519 all you have to be able to really establish the run and the other thing 592 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.639 you have to be able to do. And I'm sorry, but Jared Horse's 593 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.039 I mean, he's a walking fifteen yard penalty. He will do something every 594 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:53.599 time Michigan State looks like they take five steps forward, flag holding this and 595 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.000 you already know who's going to be on number. It's in that number. 596 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.320 It's also Tony Manager's number, you know, so you're the defense rests exactly, 597 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.519 wasn't it was not a fifteen yard family. There's a walking ass kicker 598 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:15.960 if you ask anybody else that played again. Okay, okay, but I'm 599 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.440 gonna ask Riko the question that I know he's just been debating all week about 600 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:24.360 the seven thirty kickoff. You know you you're for that time, right? 601 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:31.039 Oh yeah? I mean here, I love seven thirty games because it's a 602 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:37.559 primetime game. Now, I don't think this year's game should be because Michigan 603 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.599 State didn't live up to that Billy last year. Man, that was a 604 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.800 weak. That game should have been at seven thirty. Imagine all the drama, 605 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.400 all the twisting turns of that game, and then imagine it under the 606 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.199 lights and how it would have been so much more special if it was there. 607 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:59.039 But you know you're letting the Fox people tell you, oh, no 608 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.760 big noon kickoff. Here's a news flash for you, Joel and Gusts. 609 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.079 No one cares. No one watches doing the game unless you're trying to get 610 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:17.840 to the early bird supper at Denny's. Okay, that's people. I like 611 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:23.360 the numbers. Numbers. Last year it was the most watched game. It 612 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:30.119 was. You've got a viewers, viewers impressions, which is important. Okay, 613 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.320 but here's the thing. Yes, people watched it, but once again, 614 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.960 if you're in the desert and you haven't had water in two and a 615 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.159 half days, and I give you dirty water, you're gonna drink it because 616 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.880 you're thirsty. It ain't what you're it's what you got. And they they 617 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:52.199 basically did take this dirty, grease field water and guzzle it down and you 618 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.679 can bring a new and you got no say. So, I'm hoping that 619 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.079 I like the night game because I do think it just feel special. There's 620 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.440 so much more playing under the lights than you know, you guys are athletes. 621 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.280 It just seems like even get a little more apped up knowing this is 622 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.280 special because there's not a lot of teams playing right now, so we got 623 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.360 a lot more eyeballs on them. Let's face it, that game last year 624 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.039 could have been played at eight o'clock in the morning, it still would have 625 00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.719 been a number one game. True. So the question for you guys is, 626 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:29.519 because Rico hit on this, being former athletes that played at this level, 627 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:37.639 did you like playing the night games? There's no question about it. 628 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.480 We love playing at night. We always used to say the dogs come out, 629 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.440 and you know, the freaks come out of night. The dogs come 630 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.440 out at night. On yourself. I'm just saying, you know, hey, 631 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.519 look your wife's under the lights. Eight o'clock kicks, seven thirty kick. 632 00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.559 Wife knows all about this, uh three at half time. Yeah, 633 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.440 what I'm saying, you know, so these are the things that happened. 634 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:07.719 Okay, that's otis. Did you like playing? It's indifferent depending on how 635 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.760 your body is feeling. I mean, it also depends like notre to day. 636 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.840 Absolutely, it's the game, right, Michigan absolutely brings you that Friday 637 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:24.239 night like night lights esque typefield Northwestern Northwestern absolutely not new geting, get the 638 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.760 job done is get home. I feel the exact same way I think in 639 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:34.199 college football right now, there are too many night games. Spartan say, 640 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.079 it used to be super special when you played under the lights. Now that's 641 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:44.159 the water down. There's too many night games. Me let me play one 642 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:49.639 a noon game and let me go have dinner with my family. This is 643 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.760 the old man. This the old man talking. This is the old man 644 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:59.039 talking about going home and having dinner with his family. This is what we 645 00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:05.119 talked about. That's twitter supper, not they saw supper and pee soup. 646 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.400 Right, where's the restaurant, bill man, I'll put it out there. 647 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:13.599 I won't put it out there. You guys always give me grief about this. 648 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:20.360 Okay, I go have dinner with my family. I can still be 649 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:25.280 at Rix or the land Shark. Jay. You're trying to hit up the 650 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:31.199 beef carver here. Here's what I gotta stay though. But think about this. 651 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:36.440 I think, especially as the days get shorter, the three point thirty 652 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.519 game is the perfect compromise because you start off in the day and you finished 653 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:44.880 that night. So I think everybody's happy because okay, think about this, 654 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:52.159 what would the twenty fifteen game look like with with with Jalen watched Jackson's scoring, 655 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.039 but it was in the day. It was something about the night that 656 00:49:54.159 --> 00:50:00.920 made that even better. That to seeing the Michigan fans in their and the 657 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:05.599 darkness around them as they all wore their yellow. It was it was the 658 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:13.119 night that made it feel that much better. Yeah, I mean the game 659 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.280 day. Think about how sweet it would have been when you see a guy 660 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.760 like Kane, I a skor that win touchdown last year. But it would 661 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.119 have been night time with those dark unis a man that would have been. 662 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:32.320 I mean it was dark to the fans. But don't come me wrong. 663 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.639 I am not against night games. I just think there are too many night 664 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:42.119 games in college football right now, and it takes away the mestique, the 665 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.679 special lists of it. And I agree with you that game last year at 666 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:52.960 night beautiful. You know another game that night perfect, noter Dame at night 667 00:50:52.000 --> 00:51:00.159 purple. Like Michigan State has not played a noon game this year, you 668 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:07.239 know in the Coulcher household, we got to get them home earlier, I 669 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:14.159 mean, please earlier. I think that's some new. Some games do screen 670 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:20.880 now, okay, like Michigan State Rockers screams noon. That doesn't say nighttime, 671 00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.840 nothing about it, whereas Oda said, you're playing Northwestern that says noon. 672 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.000 But yeah, there are certain games you play at night. But here's 673 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:32.000 the thing. Tell you, with all the billion dollars being thrown the TV 674 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.480 networks, it doesn't matter anymore the nighttime. They're looking for the ratings, 675 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.599 they're looking for the money. And and noon game. You know what a 676 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.320 noon game is. It's the appetizer of Saturday. The noon game is what 677 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.079 you have on the background as you're cleaning your house, or the noon game 678 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.039 is something that you as you're driving in your car going to the home depot 679 00:51:53.440 --> 00:52:00.199 or the lows going through back crowd noise. You're not really paying a head 680 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.639 it to noon games because it's normally, again, a really good team versus 681 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.320 a really bad team, and occasionally you pop in to try to see what 682 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:12.039 the score is, but it's on, but you're not watching it. You 683 00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.880 don't really sit down to watch football till the three thirty games come on, 684 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:21.280 because that's normally the more marquee games, whereas noon. Yeah, I mean, 685 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.719 look, Fox went out and they sold their soul to Michigan and said 686 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:29.199 we're gonna cover them for an entire month. You know, it almost is 687 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.880 like Michiganese get a restraining word out on them because they literally followed this team 688 00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.559 for an entire month. They turned Michigan Indiana into the big noon game. 689 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.480 No, that's not a big neon game, that's just a btn type of 690 00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:46.159 game. But that's what they did. But did you really care about the 691 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:51.320 Michigan Indiana game? No? I didn't. I mean I listened down the 692 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.679 radio as I was driving up to Spartan Stadium the Michigan State's game. Noon 693 00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.119 games, Yeah, they're they're the appetizer of the day. They're not, 694 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.760 they're the less important games. I mean hand not to mention that half the 695 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.719 country is still sleeping. It's like nine am for most of the country, 696 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.440 you know. So you know there's a huge segment of the country, huge 697 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:21.360 out west for six months, segment of the country that is watching that game 698 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.000 at nine to ten or eleven am. I lived out west, right, 699 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.800 So you know a lot of the people, a lot of the people said, 700 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.280 I love waking up and Jay, here we go again. Undusted, 701 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:44.239 it's the geriatric ward. We're not talking about. There's more to life if 702 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.199 you put a disclaimer on it. But they you you know, we're talking 703 00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.800 about like the kids that are playing the game. How about that? Okay, 704 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:57.719 Okay, let's look at when Michigan State went to Arizona and that game 705 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:08.000 was ten pm Pacific time Pacific. That happened there was still it was Yeah, 706 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:12.519 it was HoTT. Well yeah, but here's the reason for that is 707 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.760 what you said it was hot. You do realize if you played that game 708 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:28.079 at noon in Phoenix, people would into the Turk literally from Africa. I 709 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:36.519 want the heat. Okay, let me put it like this. He's from 710 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:40.679 the you're from the coast. Okay, breezes. You know who wasn't from 711 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:47.159 Africa, Brian LAWORKI don't let the last name, but he was not from 712 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:53.760 Africa and he's from there, and it would have still been so I understand. 713 00:54:54.320 --> 00:55:00.440 Yeah, the Arizona State game was that was that was gamesmanship because they 714 00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.239 said, Okay, we're gonna make sure you play when you're nice and tired. 715 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.679 So I didn't even fault them for that because I said, if I 716 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:12.280 was MSU, I play at noon and make them play in the morning. 717 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.480 I think they did that, and it still didn't work because they found a 718 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:21.760 way to let quarterback fourth and twenty seven when god knows everybody knew he couldn't 719 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:28.199 know what never mind, let me right that before we let you go, 720 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:34.199 Rico. What does Michigan State have to do to win? They got to 721 00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:39.199 put pressure on JJ McCarthy. They have to they have to score touchdowns, 722 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:44.719 and they got to score touchdowns early because Michigan mo is once they got you, 723 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.760 once they have you down, they don't let you back up off the 724 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.239 mat. You have to be able to go out and score first. And 725 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.599 the weirdest stat was, up until the fourth quarter of the game against Wisconsin, 726 00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.320 Michigan State hadn't had a lead in a game since September tenth. They 727 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.840 had been behind in every game that they lost. They never they were tied. 728 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.159 A couple times, they were tied against Oho State, they were tied 729 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.599 against Maryland. They didn't have to lead. You need to go out punch 730 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:15.480 Michigan in the mouth because I think if you do that, they're entire It's 731 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.280 like the old Mike Tyson thing. Everybody has a plan until they get punched 732 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:22.840 in the mouth. Michigan already assumes that you're going to be very easy, 733 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.639 and by the fourth quarter we're gonna be playing you know, they're back up 734 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.679 quarterback Orgy and he'll be out there. But you got to punch them in 735 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:34.760 the mouth. You gotta jump ahead. You gotta have them days to confuse. 736 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:39.920 You have to score touchdowns. You can't have stupid penalties and set yourself 737 00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.039 back. Now you know, I still don't understand what happened on the punt 738 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.039 return from Jay Reed. The referees is gonna have to explain that one to 739 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.320 me because I thought I knew the rules, but apparently I didn't. But 740 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:58.119 you can't have penalties on game changing plays like that. You have to be 741 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.480 able to score and you gotta score early. You gotta often, you gotta 742 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.039 hit JJ. You got to make JJ think like there's fifteen people out there 743 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.760 and make that man uncomfortable because right now he has mastered the art of playing 744 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:15.840 quarterback in Michigan because there has been no pressure on that man. No, 745 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:21.719 man, I appreciate that man. Love the energy that you bring to the 746 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.719 every every on air segment that you go to or you're a part of Rico. 747 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:29.639 Man, that was awesome right there. You guys would agree, right, 748 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.920 absolutely, absolutely absolutely, that was that was first old as I see 749 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:40.719 he's not as yeah, he's as a young time right, yea, it's 750 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:45.599 way fast time. You do you do? You walk around with like a 751 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:52.719 nightcap and a candle in your hand when you walk through the I do have 752 00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:57.559 my I have my night slippers and I got to watch my stories, right 753 00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:09.360 the story it's a real you say, slippers? Yeah, yeah, exactly, 754 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:19.599 Thanks Rico. You catch at the game all right, man? Awesome? 755 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:24.119 That was definitely fun. And the Rico knows Jay us real age. 756 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.760 You know, they have the your your birth age and then you have your 757 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:32.719 real age. We didn't know. Now we all do. James one hundred 758 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:46.239 and seventy two years old. And then Joe Louis, I guess you know 759 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.239 this has been fun here at the Johnny Pumpkin. You know a lot of 760 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:54.320 a lot of a lot of energy here, great guests. I'm gonna put 761 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:59.559 a ball on this, but like we got more energy coming up for rivalry 762 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:07.880 week as continue next week. Final thoughts for today, JAYU, good shout 763 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:13.480 out to Jolly Pumpkin. They did a great job hosting us. Excellent food, 764 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.360 excellent service, great people. Really appreciate it. If you have the 765 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:21.599 opportunity to come down here, great food of the man, you can't. 766 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.519 Whatever you choose, it's not gonna be a bad meal. Yeah, it's 767 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.679 to add to it. Finishing up, wrap it up. Thank you Tony 768 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.280 Grant for the partnership obviously Jolly Pumpkin, but great hospitality. Like Jay you 769 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.320 said, we're excited to roll out some stuff for next week. It's hate 770 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:45.039 week. We'll be protecting the Sparty statue. Don't come near campus. We'll 771 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.119 get it right, We'll get it tight. That was life. Gotta love 772 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:57.800 it. Nothing else needs to be saying. And from Jay you called great 773 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.519 old as Wally, I'm Jason and Sparta. Have a good night. God 774 01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.960 bless and go green, go white, Go light.