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exclusively by the rad rob Radio Network. This is PBA Champion Kyle Trupe,

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Heyl Jigo Ledger here at Jeff wriggles
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guys, Chuck Ritchie here formerly a
BOWLTV. Hey, this is Ryan

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Schaeffer of Track staff at Valley Bowling
Center in Waverley, New York, and

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you're listening to Straight Up Five with
Johnny Petrackleia Junior, Yo, the boys

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from Straight Up five, rad Row
dot Orcho and of course JP Junior Pick

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it Out, Fear the Fro Baby. Welcome to Straight Up five with Johnny,

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a hard hitting, in depth,
cutting edge look into the world of

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bowling. This podcast will not only
cover all things bowling, but will also

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give you a wrong look into real
life issues. You'll get unfettered access into

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the mind of one of the most
gifted bowlers of this or any other generation

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an they claim it. So without
further Ado, Let's introduce you to the

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hosts of the show, Brad Rob, Rob Francois, Ro Rob Francois,

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Doctor Ocho, Doctor Ocho, and
the incomparable Johnny Petraglia Junior John Petraglia Junior.

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Hey, guys, looking back to
Straight Up five with Johnny Petraglia Junior.

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I'm your host, Rad Rob Rob
Francois. This is episode number one

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oh five and we have a very
special guest with us tonight. Who isn't

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here right now are my two co
hosts, Johnny Junior and doctor Ocho,

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which hopefully we'll be here in a
second, So hopefully in the next four

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or five minutes they will be here. Uh, but we are going to

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continue on as usual. Let's see
who's here, Chuck, Richie is here?

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Good evening, Chuck. Uh.
This this is a bucket list thing

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for me tonight. I watched this
this man that we have here coming on

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night on ABC as a kid,
and uh was just had the total package.

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So but we're going to show some
highlights of Mark Baker's career as we

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normally do. Hello, John spron
what's going on? Dave Picow, what's

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up? Let's go, Let's do
this. Here is a highlight package of

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the career of the one and only
Mark Baker. Bob Hanley is still in

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it, but he must strike.
He as a possible two and thirteen.

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This would be a tremendous comeback.
Much of the respect I have for your

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pros as the fact that well,
in the case of Handley, three open

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frames and you come back, don't
with your dabber down. You just keep

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back. We're paid for our performance, not our ability. Right. Trust

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is a must, and that was
just too much. Mark Baker just took

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a trip to the fire stone with
that shot. So you're looking for a

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first time winner the Professional Bowlers George
telecast from Miami Ploda Don Carter's Kendall Lane's

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Handley with a one at each three
with a Baker's finals hand a chat with

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him beg victory for this twenty two
year old California. The air conditioning popped.

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Doing it wakes me up at night
sometimes. Oh forget who first says

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shot, We're gonna have a hurling
Chris. Okay, let's see what it

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is. Here. Here's what happened. The headpin went to the sideboard and

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knocked out the twopin. Baker apparently
thought, now watch the action of the

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headpin. It goes the sideboard twist
line the two four and eight. Now

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the two pin is standing right Here
comes the rack. The five pin has

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hit the back of the twopin as
it rolls around. Now watch if the

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machine touches the pin before the pin
falls over. Here we go. It's

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rolling. All the benefits of videotype
replay. And I see the NFL football

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is going to try that, and
it's very true. Then look at this.

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Here's his reaction, and here's the
ruling. You cannot have the machine

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help you in the pinfall. So
the pin is reset. Baker will have

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to shoot the spare. If he
makes it, he'll lead by twenty three.

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In that frame, you can only
say proved that he can do push

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ups. That's about it. What
a tough flake, but a man that

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Turner's two fifty three and three victories, and that frame will long be remembered.

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The six last year is he talking
to that and he's on the deck.

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He's going to believe. Even Mark
Baker couldn't believe he's going to lose

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the tournament. Look at Baker's jumped
up Walter Ray Williams has to make the

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eight ten split to win. Watch
the pin action. The ball hangs too

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wide. We said he wasn't playing
to fight the correct shot. He knocks

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the two pin down. Walter Ray
Williams must make the eight ten split to

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win the tournament. He's up in
the tenth frame. Here he goes he

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has to have it. Baker wins
in a bizarre championship match and over on

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Bark pass one eight or three or
one seven? Day six, Mark Baker

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moved to tears. I thought there
was no chance will be back the big

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one right here, not gonna get
there, and Baker is going to be

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the winner. Yeah, and Baker
knows it. Throws the towel down him.

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Now all he's thinking isn't going to
stay behind the file. He's seen

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the building savoring this victory. Oh
for five to the top spot that he

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here two years ago. Outstanding performance, just not outstanding enough. Mark Baker

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obviously enjoying the fruits of his labor. The Baker has fouled before, as

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he did at the Firestone last year. He stayed behind the line though,

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leaves only the Tampa and that's just
enough. He has no problem, Baker,

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a possible two seventy nine games in
the driver's seat, just has to

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pick up his bone ball, all
right? Or Steve wonderlike back of a

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game two thirty here in Portland,
Oregon, that's the winner or the winner,

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Mark Baker, it's a big two
fifty five to Steve Wonder Las two

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thirty. How's a big expanse here
filled with people haven't been here since eighty

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two of PBA event, and they
welcomed everyone back and especially the winner,

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Mark Banker from California. Before we
bring in Ark Baker and man, what

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a highlight package that was. And
I can't wait to talk about that Walter

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Ray match. But our co hosts
are here. Let's start off with our

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first co host, the man with
the shiniest mask and bowling. He is

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the resident doctor of Straight Up five
casually late as always, Doctor Rochow,

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what's going on out? How am
I late? Just just how my late?

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Though? For real? How my
lead? Well? I mean your

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agel some timeless so I guess.
I guess you're not late. That very

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sexy hand next to you is the
man with the name of the Marquis.

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He's number seven in the program,
number one in your hearts. Mister Johnny

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Petrachlia Junior. What's going on?
JP? You know, just another fantastic

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Wednesday here with you gentlemen rocking my
Bill O'Neill fever hat this week. I

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hope you guys enjoy it. I
like it. Hell yeah, you guys

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are on opposite side. It's going
to mess me up. I know it's

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bothering me too. Can we flip
that? Well, then we can't see.

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Man. What's weird is because now
it reachs forward to me. You're

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going to see leto if it's the
wrong way. What's up, Zell.

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Good to see you as you can
switch chairs. Pleasure to be here playing

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Ocho fans in the chat. I
understand why. It's all right. It's

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the peak seven to seventy six the
other night, just you know, throwing

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a round sphericle bowling ball that played
well, yes, yeah, talk about

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serious serious tear here, Ocho.
Like, I don't think you've shot under

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seven to fifteen like the last month, right, that's not true. Seriously,

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some times I watched your bowl,
You're threw six in there. I

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threw a six to eighty in there. But it's like I said that,

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I I that blue ball, the
spherical one. I analyzed it and it

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was working perfectly with my ball rep
which, by the way, again,

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I'm going to keep talking about my
hat because I do have Bill O'Neal fever

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and love to see him make yet
another first cut this week. But thanks

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to Eric Knaowski for this awesome hat. What perfect timing for me to not

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only get a new hat from a
good friend, but to also rocket during

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Bill O'Neil's fantastic tear at the start
of this season, So thanks Eric.

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I absolutely agree he is an early
front runner for Player of the Year already,

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which actually it's not even that long
with a seasons, so I mean

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we're we're almost halfway through, so
yeah, Bill's on a tear. But

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tonight isn't about Bill. It is
about our special guest. He is considered

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one of the top bowllying coaches in
the entire world who had a pretty decent

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PBA career as well. Let's not
make him wait any longer, please,

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welcome to the show, mister Mark
Baker. Good evening, Mark you guys,

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thank you for joining us tonight.
How are you, my friend?

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I'm doing excellent, see you,
sir, Johnny started off. I know

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you got plenty of questions. Well, first I'll start it off simply by

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simply by saying, thank you so
much for being here, Bakes. I

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mean, your time is as valuable
as anybody is, and the fact that

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you go out of your way to
join us here and spend an hour,

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hour and a half with us is
really really awesome. So thank you extremely

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from the bottom of all of our
hearts a for being here. I'm going

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to dive right in, and it's
it's no secret your knowledge of the game.

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You're literally one of the most renowned
coaches in all of the world and

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have been a long time. You've
and you just continue to build on your

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legacy for not only everything you know, but the the people that you have

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behind you, that that that are
under your tutor, your tutelage. I

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just want to know when did you
decide to sway your When did you decide

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to sway from actually competitive bowling into
the world of helping everybody that was that

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was a pretty easy decision. I
hurt my back in the December of ninety

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I had a real good year in
ninety and then I picked up a trash

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can lid in the backyard of my
house and I knew something wasn't right.

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I had an MRI done about a
couple weeks later, and I had major

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back surgery on February fourth of ninety
one, which in effect into my bowling

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career. So the coaching didn't take
the coaching I did. I I dabbled

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in the coaching. People wanted lessons, I'd give them a lesson. I'd

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never schedule the next one. I
didn't really want to do it. I

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didn't think I was a very good
coach, and people kept calling me and

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kept calling me, and I tried
to coach in the a nineties. I

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had some personal issues I needed to
take care of. Tried it again about

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fifteen years ago, and it's worked
out pretty good ever since. It was

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never a life calling, but now
that I've done it for this long,

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this is definitely what I've been meant
to do. That I obviously speaking from

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a first hand experience, see the
see the way you work and the things

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that you do and it's a fantastic
And was I muted the whole time?

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No, no, no, you're
good. You're good. I've seen it

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firsthand, the commitment that you have, and it's pretty it's fantastic appreciation.

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So yeah, you were at probably
what my camp bakes. You were the

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solid so you were there, so
you got to see it in action.

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How we try to make everything run. It's crazy, and we got it

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all done. It was always good
and good events. Where next ding?

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You know, April twenty third's the
next camp. So by forty second camp,

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Wow, my goodness, forty second
camp and it's it's crazy. Your

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your camps sell out as as fast
as Taylor Swift tickets. I would not

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I don't think I would equate those. It's always a little work. I

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think I'm at four thirty. I
lost one or two. I think I'm

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at thirty four right now, which
is a good number. Thirty six is

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a sellout. She is a joggernaut, that's uh. I'm not a Taylor

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Swift type music type person, but
you have to tip your cap to her.

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She works hard, obviously understand social
media better than anybody of all time.

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And you know, the kids love
her. So you got to tip

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your cat. Anybody's made a billion
dollars doing anything pretty impressive, damn right,

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And you know what that kind of
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my next question because you know,
like like her and other Titans, you

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know, it's it's the progression.
It's it's the continuation of building on something

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off of other things. So let's
talk about aside from the career of Mark

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Baker, aside from the from Camp
Bakes, let's talk about your newest pregression

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in what you're doing with video series. What's going on there? Well,

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you know, I have this very
cool place, like coach called the Westpac

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Training Center. I got a little
private two lane center and after about six

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months of working here, I got
to see the game from a completely different

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standpoint where I'm watching people, you
know, the camera set up on strike

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seeker, and I get spect on
every shot the player's coming at me with

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a camera. I'm seeing a front
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know, I did a DVD.
I did a book twelve years ago or

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thirteen years ago, and I did
a DVD and I swore off I would

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never do anything again because those things
are in labor. Love you really don't

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make any money, and it takes
a year of your life, and then

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all people do is take shots at
you. I'm like, but two things.

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I had a very unique view,
and I really want to do one

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more thing. And I really thought
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I've done the two of the two
headed camps in Las Vegas. I've

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had a chance to work with VI
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and it's those two handed bowlers are
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there has to be a video for
these kids. We can't just throw

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them to the wolves because some of
the stuff on YouTube, me being nice

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is crap. It's just terrible.
So let's be honest. So I decided

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to do something. I put my
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I landed on two pretty good models. I got Anthony Simonson and I got

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Jason Belmany, without a doubt,
the two best who ever lived the two

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handed So we all came together,
we put a lot of work into it

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and it came out unbelievably well.
It's a pleasure to watch, and it's

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cool you talking about the two handers. Other than what they see in front

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of them, guys like a Simon
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any literature or like any previous books
written about what they do. Like it's

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like when you know the old school
mentality of say, my dad, you

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know, you got to make sure
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line, follow through towards your target, keep the coup of your elbow facing

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forward. I mean, even going
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of my favorite pages in your book
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or eight where you had eight completely
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the completion of their pivot stuff going
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Balader was in there and let them
Manicelli just to name a couple of people

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in there. But it's crazy that
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You know, we see Zach Wilkins
just because I saw him shot three

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hundred today, you know his follow
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than even say I'm Fagan's. And
you know a long time ago that was

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like a big no no. And
the same thing with say Yesper's third and

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fourth steps leading into his slide,
like there really is no true way to

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get to the line at all.
We can go as far back as looking

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at somebody like Mike Lickstein, but
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at the completion of the swing.
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to the two handers is do you
see some similarities there with the bigtime compared

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to a tradition? So I have
you know Simonson and Belmo. Everybdy tells

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me how different they are, but
he will look at my video from the

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front from their third step on,
they're identical. I mean they are mirror

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images of each other. So my
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have such a great record in majors
because majors aren't about reverie. Majors aren't

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about who can hook at the most. Majors are about who's the most accurate.

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Because majors tend to be brutally tough, and that stuff they bowl in

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the US Open now is just nasty. Every day it's worse. And then

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you know the who leads it,
Belmo and Simo one two. So when

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I got to bring him into the
training center, and I also I did

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a one headed video. I brought
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and Dave Housted, so I had
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were all everybody has. I think
we had twenty eight majors between all the

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players. But when you measured who
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were not by far. They they
had better numbers. Here's how good Belmo

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was. I show this thing called
the baker Box. I wanted three shots

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from every pro, so fifteen shots
to hit this certain zone. Belmo's we

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had to use his three worst shots, so he hit six one and forty

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five feet, six four forty five
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feet. Because I showed the other
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five feet, I would have looked
like we were. It would have looked

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like I just used the same video
over and over. So I actually used

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three of Jason's bad ones and it
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you don't win fifteen majors because your
rev rae's high. Everybody has a high

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reverrae. Now that's that's not a
that's not a thing. I mean the

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average reve rate on tour is just
through the roof an average revere when I

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can watch my son bull JBT and
JT's through the roof, so I wanted

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to show, Yes, they both
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when he gets to the third step, how they bleed off to the left

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and their pivost step replaces it,
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step. When I was showing Jason, I was drawn lines through his eyes

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from his third step through a slide. His head doesn't move lateral on an

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inch, so your swing lines up
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swing, so his head's not moving, so his hands are going the same

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place, So I measure their timing
was exactly the same. They dropped their

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hips exactly the same. The biggest
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Jason tilts after his swing goes back. After that happens, they're kind of

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the same guy. Yes, Anthony's
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tilt, but other than that,
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as they have a different style.
Have you noticed anything mechanically that I don't

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want to say isn't sound because we
always talk about this how you know.

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Look, you said you had back
surgery in ninety one. I'm an anatomy

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guy clearly who doesn't a mask and
having anatomy degree. But when, uh,

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we we talked to Belmo a couple
of weeks ago, and we were

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talking about how like we don't know
the longevity of the two hander because we

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don't know I mean the mechanics.
If anything, they're using their bigger muscles,

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which means they're probably more stable than
the one handed guys. And there's

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less torque on the pelvis, less
torque on the si joints, less less

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torque on the plant leg even when
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so and Belmo and I'm sure you
probably have some some little injuries, you're

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not none. And I was like, Jesus, you're forty years old,

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you don't have any. So I'm
curious if you noticed anything mechanical that you

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could pinpoint and say, well,
in twenty years, that could be.

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But again, we're dealing with the
two best two handed bowlers too, so

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tough to kind of say, oh, yeah, I mean, I mean

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you can only go by what Jason
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he doesn't. It doesn't seem to. It's when you I spent so

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much time studying the two handers to
do the video. I mean literally,

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you know, fifty hours of just
watching them, trying to find what was

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unique about him and what was the
same, And after a while, Jason's

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just fundamentally sound. That's all I
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It's like a Mariano rivera fastball.
It looks so effortless that it's like a

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normal thing, like him just walking
to go to the couch and he just

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throws a bullet ball with it.
I think the term is what efficiency of

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motion? There you go. So
if you actually take Barnes and you do

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you slow Chris down from the side, and you take Jason, and you

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just account for a second arm.
They're actually their third steps and how their

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ball swings, and Jason's actually kind
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for a two hander. Jason and
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So I look at like Jason just
became the one, the two in

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version of Chris Barnes, who was
the most fundamentally sound bowler I ever had

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had the opportunity to work with and
the pleasure to work with. So Jason

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does Simo's unique. Jason's just fundamentally
sounds. So when I coach my son

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Gage, I really do look at
Need myself very tall, so I really

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do look at Jason. I try
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to mimic his footwork, his swinging, his timing. I mean Jason,

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I mean his record is really good. I mean I bowled on tour for

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living. I know how it is. I'll put it this way. When

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they did their videos here, we
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tape on the lane. Throw between
the tapes, put the eight and nine

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as many times as you can row, and Jason and Simonson, at separate

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times, kind of got into their
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When Jason got to like fifteen or
sixteen strikes, he said, hey,

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mate, how many do you need? Oh? I said, oh,

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I was done at five. I
just want to see all one. You

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can do this, and he just
looked over and he said, you got

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the tape in the right place today, I can do this forever. And

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Dave Houston leaned over and said,
I've never said that so and then Simon

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come in. He did basically the
same thing. And I remember Dave saying,

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I'm so happy I don't bowl against
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because they were they were really impressive
in person. So as of as of

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injuries, just seems to pick it
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He seems to be the most natural
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like you said, he's never said
he's never had an injury. I know

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they've had some world series where guys
get tired at the end. Jason's like,

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if you want to do this again, let's go. So as of

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now, I don't really I don't
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But it hasn't been around long enough, you know, like like you

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know, look at me. I
was thirty one years old. I was

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a pretty good athlete at one time, and because of my my over extended

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to push away and I really leaned
on it and driving what the doctor thought

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was just driving too many miles at
the time, just sitting there and that

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you know, you're in the band, you know, driving My back got

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bad and I was a pretty good
athlete, so I only made it,

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you know, nine years. I
think the biggest advantage going for the guys

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at bowl for tour in s a's
compared to my era, they don't really

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bowl very much. They're not putting
in you know, I put in a

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thousand games a year on tour,
probably a thousand games of practice bold regionals

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and PCBs, and you know I
was putting in two three thousand games a

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year on the right way more than
I did too. They're not bowling as

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many tournaments, and they don't bowl
that stretch where I would leave home at

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the end of January, come home
at the end of April. They're not

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doing that three four months at a
time, ten weeks in the summer,

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seven weeks in the fall. I
have both about thirty one to thirty two

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every year. So I think because
they're not as many games that they might

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that might help them, that might
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I was just gonna say. Because
you're Robos, I'll send it to you.

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Just want to close with this.
I mean, your shortest format tournament

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during your your tenure on tour was
forty two games. Shortest ever. You

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guys are bowling forty two games,
forty eight games, or fifty six games

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in the case of the US Open, and that was but if you made

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the show, now you got enough
time to drive to the next stop before

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the pro am. I mean,
I mean obviously you know I watched my

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dad do it as well. In
the same time, it's you really got

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to give kudos to guys like yourself
and guys that have figured out a way

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to manage their lives according to that
life. And not to take anything away

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from the guys out to now,
these guys nowadays are ten times even more

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advanced, you know, mentally,
you know they got all the all,

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the all thing makes today's player better
than my player. I didn't have mean

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a nineteen eighty five. I was
high average on tour. I'd say the

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thirty weeks I bowled, I threw
a black angle twenty six and it was

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the same one, three sst two
to two eight, no grips, some

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sleeve, no extra hole, same
ball. I would walk out the bowl

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with the ball on my shoulder and
a towel. What land am I on

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tonight? Boys, Let's get after
it. And I made twenty three finals

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that year, and I was the
first guy ever to be high average with

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the most games bowled Walterray after that
annihilated that record, but nobody most guys

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that went high average at that time
were was Mark Marshall. Nur won at

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like eleven years in a row,
and I'd beat I spared in the tenth

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the last game of the show and
the title match to beat Marshall by point

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zero one for high average. So
I threw one ball pretty much all year.

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Now they don't throw one ball three
games. So the managing equipment and

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you know, I tried to explain
to my you know, the people that

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bowl, like, yeah, we
went from first arrow to fifth arrow every

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tournament and if you bowl a squad
or B squad, you got the end

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of a in at night, you
would be a fifth arrow. These guys

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do it in three games, which
we took six twelve, so twenty four

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games for our guys to get from
between first second arrow and then you were

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piping it off fifth arrow with the
yellow out of the with the blue dot

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the last couple of games of qualifying. These guys do that in a round.

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So we didn't make the moves as
fast, and we did switch ball,

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we didn't have as many options to
switch balls. I mean, I

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was going to go for my black
angle to my yellow out to my white

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00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.720
dot. I had negative leverage and
I had three quarter's finger and three quarters

406
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.920
top, so I had like two
layouts the same ball over and over.

407
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:51.279
These guys are magicians with the bowling
balls. So I think that makes I

408
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.160
think that gives them the nod because
the physical games are physical games. I

409
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.079
don't think ours are better and worse
in the day. You let Don Johnson

410
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.839
loose as nineteen now and give Don
Johnson two years, he'd be in the

411
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.119
top twenty money winners. Just Dick
Weber. I mean, the guys that

412
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.880
were talented, it didn't matter what
area. And you put Jason Molmony and

413
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.640
Chris Barnes back in the sixties,
they'd have figured it out. Yeah,

414
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.839
we've had that discussion many times on
the show about which era was better,

415
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.160
who would have been better, you
know, with what conditions, with what

416
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.480
equipment, And I mean it pretty
much just cancels out. I mean,

417
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.119
you're going to have the best of
the best no matter what area you're in.

418
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.400
They just adapt to whatever. You
know, the trend is, you

419
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.599
know, whether it's equipment or or
lane's you know, going for wood is

420
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:37.240
synthetic from your thing to resin so
many different variables and factors. The best

421
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:38.480
are always going to figure it out, and as we're seeing this year,

422
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.119
it's it's always the same guys on
top. I did want to ask you,

423
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.200
from a coaching standpoint, when you
look at somebody like Kyle Trupe,

424
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.039
who is a two hander and has
a little bit of a different style than

425
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.039
Simon and bellmo one thing, I
realize that he doesn't have a very high

426
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.319
follow through. He just kind of
just puts the ball out there. Just

427
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:06.200
from a coach's standpoint, do you
think that's I mean, obviously it's right

428
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.279
for him, but would you would
you kind of try to tweak his fall

429
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.039
through? No, because if you
ever, I mean, if you walk

430
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.640
up and you mess around from behind
and you just grab Kyle, you better

431
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.440
be ready. He is super strong
because of his strength. I think if

432
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.759
he had the full fall through,
his Kyle strength is that ability to really

433
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.119
change speeds and go dead straight like
in the US so many one he got

434
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.759
left through a shiny ball, slowed
it down, had tremendous touch. I

435
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.640
think his short fall through allows him
to really manipulate his rotations or tilts,

436
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.319
whatever you want to call it how
he gets the ball to shape on the

437
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.640
back. I think his shorter abbreviated
fall through. He's got so much touch

438
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.160
there and he's so strong he doesn't
need to get us far through it because

439
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.160
he's really got his legs underneath them. Kyle's really strong. So everybody has

440
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.640
their own style. What I would
say is Kyle and Vi are more like

441
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.880
one handers at both two handed right
for Jason is the ultimate two hander,

442
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.640
and Simo is just Simon was just
a little bit of a you know,

443
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.839
he's he's just he's p Webber,
right right. Thanks. I want to

444
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.240
feed off that because that was a
great point, Rob, because you're talking

445
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.720
about Kyle's strength when you grab him
from behind. So for those of our

446
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.720
viewers that that don't know Mark or
I've never seen Mark, Mark is a

447
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:27.160
stud. He's a tall anymore.
By Mark's an old dude. Now I'm

448
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.799
turning sixty three next month. Man, you don't have to be modest,

449
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.039
not here. But because this is
a dead serious question Mark that I have

450
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:38.160
for you as a fan and a
spectator of your game. For as big

451
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:46.359
and strong and tall as you are, you had a very short backswing comparatively

452
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:52.759
speaking, was that. Because of
that, my backswing was a little higher

453
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.079
when I went on tour, but
my batsman got shorter when I first went

454
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.440
on tour because my ball wouldn't hook. I mean, it was just where

455
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:00.640
I grew up as with a tunnel
oil. They had you know, mixed

456
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.839
vaseline in there, so I always
had a kind of a short swing.

457
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.680
I went on tour and the lanes
were so hard I had to slow my

458
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.640
ball down. Got through it really
hard when I came on tour, but

459
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:14.000
my ball wouldn't hook at the right
place. So you know, we didn't

460
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.640
really use brake point then, so
I had to abbreviate slow my feed down,

461
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.160
get my swing shorter, and I
had had a lot more rotation because

462
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.880
we bowled on such trash would we
bowled in places where the Syracuse where you

463
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.119
weren't playing out because you played out, your ball hit the nails by first

464
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.640
arrow and the ball would chunk.
So hey, we couldn't play first arrow.

465
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.279
Now I get to play fit therero
I finished sixth there, but you

466
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.519
literally couldn't play parts of the lane
because the nails were sticking up. We

467
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.240
didn't bowl in any palaces. We
bowled in some real shitholes. So are

468
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.279
the heads hooked so much on tour
that I had to change my I had

469
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.359
to tuck my pinky. You know, Roth was, you know, the

470
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.960
master, I don't know. I
took my pinky. I had to slow

471
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.319
it down. I had to get
way more around it just to compete on

472
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:59.519
tour because they hooked so much.
So my swing got shorter. But then

473
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:00.680
I got right, could really load
up with my right leg and get my

474
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.720
elbow to bend before it became a
thing, and I could really get up

475
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.280
on my wrist and just create a
different release than what everybody told me was.

476
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:09.440
I had a different reason everybody else. To me, it was just

477
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.639
me throwing the ball. Like Ozio
is always ennambor with how I threw it.

478
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.039
How do you do that? I
don't know. It just rolls up

479
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.599
and rolls off. So I never
thought about my hand. I was just

480
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.719
trying to get the ball to the
front and get it to hit. So

481
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.239
I think it was just more of
a product of the environment because they were

482
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.679
so the lanes were really hard on
tour. Their scores were so low compared

483
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.800
to now. High average now is
around two twenty eight. When I was

484
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.119
high average on Tour. I was
to thirteen. They were dirt every week,

485
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:37.480
I mean one hundred and eighty over. You made the finals every week

486
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.320
average shoo ten. You were bowling
forty two games, And like you said

487
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.960
earlier, you just didn't have all
the tools, like if the lane sucked,

488
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.039
you couldn't go drills afresh. You
know, after that movie in twenty

489
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.440
Minutes and Lichi's polishing machine, there
weren't a lot of options, But there

490
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.800
were a lot of options after I
moved this way, I'm leaving a bucket.

491
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.559
Well, it were like when you
read older Riverside, I shoot three

492
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.639
hundred the first game of B Squad, I come down the low end I

493
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.679
got. You know, mister,
I am following Houston. How's this fair?

494
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.320
They hook a little bit, like
how much he goes a little bit?

495
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.039
I just shot three hundred. I
give it a quick five and three

496
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.880
left. I got one on the
left, so then I shoot. I

497
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.320
won ninety ninety one ninety, and
then I threw when I one of my

498
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.599
best fines ever. I got a
lot of fines. I bowled a six

499
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:29.800
three hundred four straight one nineties.
I bowled the last game at Riverside Bowlington

500
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:36.920
Riverside VCR. I shoot two ninety
nine with seven Brooklyn's. On the twelve

501
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.880
shot, I stoned a six pin
and label the ball return. I was

502
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.840
working on like the last five shots, I ran out the brooklyn they were

503
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.840
so bad. I stoned six that
still got fined. That's fantastic, you

504
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.519
know, would have happened. Happily
paid that fine for that one. Here's

505
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.440
how man finds. I got.
How many fines could you have? Your

506
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:58.119
dad bowled on tour? He was
on the tour committee. How many finds

507
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.639
were you allowed to have on tour
before you got suspended. I don't know

508
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.159
the answer to this. You could
have three in the calendar year. Oh

509
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.519
geez. I hold on tour for
nine years. I had twenty seven fine,

510
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.800
perfect game. But what I would
do was suit because I am invariably

511
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.559
one of the guys on the term
committee. Spigner or Ellenburger would come up,

512
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.800
Hey, by the way, you're
you're off, you know, probation

513
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.400
the next the next nine count,
I would light the bar return up to

514
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.000
get myself back on probation because that
way I'd calm down and bowl good.

515
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:32.039
So I pretty much kept myself.
You keep myself that's amazing. My mom

516
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.719
would get these, you know,
these registered letters in the mail. Hey,

517
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.360
what's this one about? Just pay
the fine mom I got. I

518
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.679
earned them all. That's one of
the best stories I've ever heard. I

519
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.039
had no idea that that's tell.
It's just I mean, I played,

520
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.400
so there's a reason behind it.
I was a jock, and I was

521
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.679
a pretty damn good high school basketball
player. And by the time I was

522
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.239
a seventh eighth grader, I was
averaging twenty five to thirty points again my

523
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.079
entire life. So the other team
is gonna stop me. Well, I'm

524
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.039
super intense. I'm sixty three.
I'm still intense. So when I came

525
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.559
out to play, their job was
to stop me by any means possible.

526
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.199
So I had some games where I
got thirty five points, where I scored

527
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.119
twenty free throws. I was lit
up, bloody nose, bloody elbow.

528
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.679
I loved every minute of it.
So I was super intense, ready to

529
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.599
drop out a drop of a hat. So I come on tour and all

530
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.360
of a sudden, you can't get
mad. I'm like, wait a minute,

531
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.000
when when Kevin McHale gets tackled by
kurrambus in the finals and he turns

532
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.360
around and f bombs him. Tommy
Hyson is going, that's the guy I

533
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.800
want on my team. I'm like, yeah, that's how sports works.

534
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.239
When you get mad, you get
pissed, you throw an F bomb,

535
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:45.440
and then you're good Bowling. Bowling
did not appreciate that I have. I

536
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.079
didn't know how to control my temper. I was a kid. I didn't

537
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.039
get to go to I didn't go
to college. I went right on tour

538
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.599
At nineteen, I wasn't very mature. So as I've gotten older, I've

539
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.400
gotten better at that. But uh
yeah, the guys now are are very

540
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.920
very mellow. They don't really do
anything. We had some crazy hot heeads.

541
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.320
It was, you know, we
had some legendary guys. But that's

542
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.280
that's the difference. In the eras
Now what we did would be would be

543
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.679
so frowned upon. And all I
ever say is, yeah, you make

544
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.920
fun of my era, and you
guys will say that, I mean,

545
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.840
not the players, to the fans. You guys are this. You should

546
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.320
never get mad. All I know
is we charge money to come into a

547
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.480
tournament, and we were standing room
only. That's exactly you go. Look

548
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.639
at those shows you show and I
make there weren't any open seats. They

549
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:29.079
weren't given away the free seats.
We drew a crowd. We may have

550
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:30.480
been a little bit over the top, but you knew how you knew where

551
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:36.000
we stood. That's true, That's
true. I grew up in Bradley Bowling

552
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.599
wins a locks. I'm originally from
Connecticut and in Tennessee. Now. My

553
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.119
mom worked there at Bradley, and
I would go when the pros had come

554
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.199
in and it was just, yeah, you're right. It was just a

555
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.320
sea of people. I mean it
was packed, not just for TV day,

556
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:51.639
but I mean the whole the entire
week of qualifying and yeah, you

557
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.639
really don't get that anymore. Nuts. Yeah, it was a different era

558
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.800
of bowling was you know, Dave
Houston I talked daily. We wish we

559
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.800
knew. We wish in the eighties
we knew how good we had it.

560
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.679
Right. We were always complaining about
the prize fun. We know, there's

561
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.199
always something to bitch about. Every
pro bowler is a good at complaining.

562
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.280
That's never changed in history. I
wish we'd have known how good we had

563
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.400
it. I would enjoyed it more. We mean, it was every week

564
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.719
it was sold out pretty much every
week, I mean especially when you got

565
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.840
around the mid at Midwest or back
East. I mean there was nothing.

566
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.639
I mean I maybe one of my
first finals, like eighty two, I

567
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.000
made it in Long Island and I'm
from California and about ten guys from New

568
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.480
York are Long Island made the finals
and the fans were sitting like behind you

569
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.480
or you sit there at the what
was the name of the bowl alley,

570
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.840
Long Island, a little place where
you could, oh garden the Garden City

571
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.679
Bowl or Garden City. You know, if you drove a small car,

572
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.440
you could lose your car in the
potholes in the parking lot that place.

573
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:46.840
Yeah, for one hundred and fifty
bucks a night, bed bugs for free.

574
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.079
So when you bowl that finals,
the people would sit right behind you

575
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.679
and mf you in your ear between
frames. If you were beating the Long

576
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.800
Island guy, that was like the
greatest week ever. I beat Most,

577
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.280
I beat Janello, I beat BERARTI
I beat Roth, I mighty beat your

578
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.800
dad. I bowl, I bolt
Sammy Z. I mean I both all

579
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.440
the guys. You suck Baker,
You're gonna miss an x ten pin.

580
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.199
I thought that was the greatest,
the greatest event ever, and the crowd

581
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.079
was just letting me have it every
frame as I sat there, So you

582
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.079
couldn't beat that. Or like when
you bowl Milwaukee, you could sit in

583
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.840
the set tea in Milwaukee on the
lanes and actually order a beer for the

584
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:29.000
bartender because the bar was on the
lanes. So we had some we had

585
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.039
some good stops. You know,
Belmo had some comments when we had him

586
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.559
on the show about your generation,
and I kind of want to get your

587
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.880
opinion of this. He was very
critical of how good they had it back

588
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.360
then, because you did mention that
you guys didn't know how how good you

589
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:50.239
had it. He doesn't think that
the previous generation were good stewards of the

590
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.199
sport because now they have to fight
for for TV rights, they have to

591
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.599
fight for advertising, and and they
don't. They didn't have a top show

592
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.440
on Saturday leading into wide worlds of
sports. Do you agree with that?

593
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:07.800
I heard his interview and Jason is
very eloquent and Jason's points when you know,

594
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.559
Dave use Night talked about it.
We talked like, wow, we

595
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:16.920
never that never even crept into our
minds. You know why I never ever

596
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.320
had access to the commissioner of the
PBA tour. The only time Joan Nora

597
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:22.400
talked to me, he was mad
at me. Yes, no, it

598
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.559
was not my friend Joe didn't there
there was no cell phone. You were

599
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.760
going to text Tom Clark and say, hey, what's going on with this?

600
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.000
I want to talk to you.
They would say, you know,

601
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.599
let your ball be your guide.
You're on late six. If you say

602
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.760
anything else, we're going to kick
you off the tour. So in our

603
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.280
defense, we were never allowed to
see the books. We were never allowed

604
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.199
to talk to anybody in charge.
All they told us every year when I

605
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.079
bowled on tour, you're lucky.
You bowl for what you look for?

606
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.920
Shut up in bowl. We had
no access to the to the office.

607
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.840
We mean, we had no I
mean, we had no access to anything.

608
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.719
So it was definitely that the tour
was run by this group of akron

609
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.599
and we were lucky to be on
tour and if you don't like it,

610
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.039
go home, because we got we
got hundreds of guys that want it.

611
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.960
I hear what Jason said, his
point of view, It completely caught me

612
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.920
off guard. I went, I
never even thought of that stuff, because

613
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.000
if people in charge, there was
no communication, Like they have these these

614
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:16.719
meetings where these guys come in and
they every year in Man, they have

615
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.519
a three or four hour spirited meeting
up there in the in the up in

616
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.679
the mezzanine, and I get to
hear, you know, some of the

617
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.320
scuttle bubble goes on, like wow, least Tom Clark will actually take your

618
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.440
call and Tom Clark will actually listen. We as now just me personally.

619
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:37.400
I never had access to anyone on
tour, so I mean I hear what

620
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.400
he says, and he makes complete
sense. It was good that it was

621
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.360
packed, but I was from a
guy's in the California who saw things a

622
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.199
little different than the guys. I
just didn't understand, like, well,

623
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.920
why could we be syndicated. I
didn't understand why we didn't have more more

624
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:53.880
because I'm Hollywood's here, I can
look at the ratings. I know who

625
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:58.840
makes the most money. Our ratings
were high. But we you know,

626
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.960
the guy that ran, the guy
that the tour was negotiating with ABC and

627
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.639
he worked. So it was kind
of weird how that all worked, and

628
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.199
we just were given what we were
given, so bankes. I guess my

629
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.679
question is, since those are two
complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Do

630
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.400
you have a preference? Again,
I said this at the top of the

631
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.360
show. You're a progressive, forward
thinker, so you strike me as the

632
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.360
kind of person that will at least
you know, like way way both sides

633
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:28.719
before you make a decision. So
my question is which one do you think

634
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.679
is better for the PBA, the
access to the commissioner or the do what

635
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.079
you're told and to Nora? Oh
no, they hadn't made with us.

636
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:38.880
They could do what you're told because
of what the tour was doing. No,

637
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.960
I wish we would have had more
access and we could have helped.

638
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.400
God, how could you not market
Marshall Homan and he was worth a price

639
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.559
of a mission when Pete was young, he was worth it. I mean,

640
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.199
we had guys that were fun.
We have the way rock stars and

641
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.119
they were legit rock stars in the
end. Really weird when you When I

642
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.480
room with Mark Roth for about one
year, Dave Eustad's wife came on tour,

643
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.320
so I had a new roommate.
I had Roth. No matter where

644
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.559
we went to dinner, they were
grabbing him by the hand. Look at

645
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.159
his thumb. Mark Roth. We
could not go anywhere without everybody in the

646
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.679
building know who Mark Roth was a
legitimate rock star. I put that in

647
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.800
his post when he passed away.
He was a myth, he was a

648
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.119
legend. He was a real rock
star. And he never wanted it.

649
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.639
He never asked for it. He
hated it when you grabbed his hand.

650
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.760
He didn't want to sign autographs.
But he was larger than life and we

651
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.800
didn't really do much with that.
My biggest complaint back then and now whatever

652
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.840
was so Jason's right. But here's
in our defense. One year, Houston

653
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.679
and I qualify one two at the
play at the Nationals, but they call

654
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:44.280
the players Championship. Now Toledo qualify
one two tiny little players. Parking lot,

655
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:46.880
Dave and I come walking in,
are driving in with the in my

656
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.320
car. You know you got to
show your pass to get a parking spot.

657
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.440
Sorry, all the spots are gone. I'm like, well, they

658
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.519
can't be gone. There's twenty four
spots and I'm one and he's two,

659
00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.840
and we're here right Sorry. You
can go park down Old Road about two

660
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:06.920
miles. Pay five dollars to take
the bus back. So we do that.

661
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.400
We get to the lanes. Of
course, we're late for roll call

662
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.639
Dave's not gonna say much. He
didn't we you win those naggi ards by

663
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.679
keeping your mouth shut. Me not
too many naggy votes, Markus Scutts,

664
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.440
because all the guys that worked for
the PBA took them. That's the tour

665
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.679
I bowled on, So no misconstrue
what was going on. Jason's right,

666
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.440
we should have had more say so. We didn't realize how good we had

667
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.519
it. We should have owned bowling
centers. All those things were brought up

668
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.440
about guys, but nothing ever.
We were never allowed, We never really

669
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.840
needed in the Eddie Elias never came
to the meeting. The only guy that

670
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:44.760
mattered was Eddie Elias. He was
the smart one. He is who he

671
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.599
knew all the money was. Aunt
Nora would not be considered a very good

672
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.760
commissioner. That's I'm sorry. The
guys are not there, passed away.

673
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.199
I really shouldn't be saying that.
You're bringing up some You know that that

674
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:59.039
big bruise on my forehead went away
twenty years ago from banging against the wall

675
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:04.000
complaining about this. But that was
the difference. We were. We were

676
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.880
just a number. I bowled on
tour for nine years. I was in

677
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.119
the top twenty money winners. I
think seven years a row or pretty close

678
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.920
to it. And when I had
my back get hurt and I couldn't bowl

679
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:15.920
on tour, and then I said, hey, maybe I could bold a

680
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.760
firestone. I had surgery. You
know, I missed all of the winter

681
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.320
ninety one and I'm going to bowl
a firestone. If I can't boil the

682
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.159
firestone. I get a check.
You know what they said, we don't

683
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.119
trust you, baker. Get a
note from your doctor. Prove you're actually

684
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.079
hurt. If you give us a
note, we'll cut you the check.

685
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.400
If we don't get the note from
the doctor. Like, I'm not in

686
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.280
third grade. I didn't miss because
of the flu. Yeah right, you

687
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:38.639
didn't just skip class one day.
You please. I don't have a living

688
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.519
I'm staying at home with that had
major back surgery joint and you give me

689
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.119
a give me a piece of paper
saying you're hurt from your doctor when the

690
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:49.239
surgery was, and we'll cut you
a check for the fifteen hundred last spot.

691
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.519
Wow, So that's how much access
I had now, I was obviously

692
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.360
you get me going. I had
no problem speaking my mind. Sure,

693
00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.679
And that wasn't very well that was
not like at all, So I get

694
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.079
what he's saying, and in hindsight, he's one hundred percent correct. It

695
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.159
was great. We didn't know how
to. We didn't know how to I

696
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:12.360
mean some of the some of the
lawsuit stuff where the players sued, the

697
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.239
tour and all that. I mean, we had some guys Joe Hutchinson and

698
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.599
Charlie Tapp. They would have been
as good as you could get doing a

699
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.119
clinic. Two guys that enjoy each
other's company, as funny as like Joe

700
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.599
Hutchinson's one level below Robin Williams.
That's how fast Joe was. But if

701
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.440
we were within five hundred miles in
an event, you couldn't do a clinic.

702
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.159
Like but it's on Sunday, there's
no TV show, we're not bowling,

703
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.440
you can't do a clinic. So
there were a lot of things that

704
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.320
restricted us from expanding. Like what
Sean rash does now is amazing. I've

705
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.400
done clinics, I've traveled. Sean
is nuts how much he's willing to travel

706
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.119
to do clinics, and it's great
for the game. What Sean does is

707
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.039
amazing. He gets Danielle and gets
Ryan Simonelli and he gets some other people

708
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.199
to go Stephanie's valla. They go
with him. It's amazing all over the

709
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.400
world where Shan will go to do
a clinic and from what I hear,

710
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.400
they do a numble great job.
We weren't allowed to do that, so

711
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:07.400
that there's some difference, is what
we just were restricting what we could do.

712
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.440
When you want to make a living
soon later, you keep your mouth

713
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:12.079
shut. You guys were just cattle, it seems like. And then if

714
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.400
you didn't like, if someone will
replace you, you know, somebody who

715
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.760
can give more milk, basically,
like that's just kind of you know,

716
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:21.039
I'm sure there were guys that had
a much better relationship with with the home

717
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.360
office. I'll take it. I'll
take it in general, like obviously you

718
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:29.199
you had a you know, you
had your reputation. Sounds like, well,

719
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.199
so banks, I'm pretty quick.
I wanted to know that I lose

720
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.519
my train and thought fast. So
I want to spit a couple of things,

721
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.719
uh, based off everything you just
said. Uh. Number one,

722
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.639
you were talking about the rock stars
of your era. And one of my

723
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.000
personal fondest memories, which I haven't
really shared with a lot of people,

724
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:51.239
was good old kyro Leer Lanes here
in North Brunswick. The former owner of

725
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.559
the property was Lee Livingston. Obviously
you definitely remember Lee. I mean I

726
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.199
never walked here there talk about it. You never did? That, wasn't

727
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.639
that? Never? I quit And
my last year was ninety oh ninety Well

728
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.000
the first the inaugural year of Dad's
JP opened, that's right. Shit.

729
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:15.159
Well, anyway, the the former
owner of that land love bowling like there's

730
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.280
no tomorrow. Lee Livingston, God
bless him, fed the homeless every single

731
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:23.079
weekend, not nothing but great things. The inaugural year of the JP open

732
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:30.039
in nineteen ninety one, they did
a little peace where they're talking to her

733
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.159
and they actually show a clip of
me hitting a whiffleball with Mark Roth catching

734
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:40.400
and Dad pitching. Well, that
particular week, Lee Livingston sent myself,

735
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:46.039
Dad and Roth to the box at
Shay Stadium, which was halfway between home

736
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.719
plate and first base, just above
the dugout, about four rows back box

737
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:55.079
seats, and I remember distinctly sitting
in the front with Dad and Roth was

738
00:49:55.119 --> 00:50:00.360
behind Dad in the box and the
line of people coming from the mesodine level

739
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.159
to get both of their autographs.
Now, granted this is nineteen ninety one.

740
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.679
This is like after Post and everybody
knew who they were, you know,

741
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:13.519
and just kind of remember Mark Roth
saig my dad saying John, I'm

742
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.519
real sorry, I have to help
these people, and Mark saying, here

743
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.239
we go again, like he was
so youth. They were both so used

744
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.159
to it. It's it's crazy like
to hear it from somebody like you,

745
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.679
and I was so I wanted to
bring up that awesome uh. Mark took

746
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.599
me to my first March hockey game. We went and watched the New York

747
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.440
Rangers play the Chicago Blackhawks in Chicago. I had never been to a hockey

748
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.599
game, and so I was cheering
for both teams. I didn't know.

749
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.639
You weren't supposed to cheer from LA. Everybody cheers for the opposite team,

750
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.760
you know, right, you know, when the Yankees come to Anaheim,

751
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.320
more people are cheering for the Yankees
and they are for the Angels. I

752
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.719
never been to hockey games. I've
seen on TV. It didn't make any

753
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.960
sense. So we're sitting there.
So the first two goals were scored by

754
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.119
the Blackhawk. Now, when you're
at a hockey game, you can actually

755
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.239
see what icing is like. Oh, Okay, that makes sense, but

756
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.400
you can see the play developing,
the guy pass and then that guy experience

757
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.800
such a different person. But then
then the Rangers score and I go ballistic

758
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.519
and Rosss like grabbed me, sit
down. I'm like, no, that

759
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.239
was The Rangers come back and beat
him three two. There the crowds get

760
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:15.519
ready. He went for all wanting
autographs from Mark, and they're trying to

761
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.239
kill us because I kept searing for
the Rangers. I didn't know you couldn't

762
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.239
cheer for the opposite team. So
when we were there the first two periods

763
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.599
and Mark might have signed five hundred
autographs, they just lined up. It

764
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.960
was like eighty four when Mark was
in his prime. He just signed him

765
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.440
all. I mean, Harry were
like, they're just knocking to that's Mark

766
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.239
Rocca. His bowling was, you
know, so big back then. But

767
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.599
Mark, he was the real deal. Mark. My comparison to that is

768
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.480
when when I was when I was
married to to my my ex who I

769
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.199
hope she's doing great. She We
went to school in Youngstown, Ohio,

770
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.480
which was an hour from Cleveland and
an hour from Pittsburgh. And my dad

771
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.639
is close with Bill Cower and his
best man at his wedding was Jim Mueller,

772
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.719
the old announcer for the Browns.
God rest his soul. So we

773
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.480
always rooted for the Jets, the
Browns, and the So when I first

774
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:05.519
got to Youngstown, Ohio, and
my former father in law says, so,

775
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.400
who's your football team? And I
said the Jets, but I rooted

776
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.320
for the Browns and the Steelers.
He practically threw me out of the He

777
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.920
threw me out of the house.
But you're not allowed to do that here,

778
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.159
dude. That's serious. Like,
I know, if you're a Red

779
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.679
Sox fan, you don't like a
Yankees or vice versa. But I didn't

780
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.000
know that when I got there.
So that's funny that you brought that up,

781
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.960
rob What do you do? It
was a great time on tour,

782
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.320
and I listened to Jason's interview you
guys, I was like, Wow,

783
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:35.920
Jason sees the world different than every
other. I think Jason has a unique

784
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.320
look at bowling because of where he
came from and how he got on tour

785
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.840
and obviously the two handed thing and
some of the you know, the garbage

786
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:45.119
that he had to deal with for
such a long time. So I think

787
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.000
Jason's take is very unique. He's
I don't think he's wrong, but it's

788
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.800
he. I wish we had a
guy like Jason on tour when Eyebolt and

789
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.920
he had, you know, he
was the biggest, And if we had

790
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.119
Jason's stature a tour, he was
whining player the year every year, and

791
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.480
he'd revolutionized the game and he made
bowling even bigger than it was. And

792
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.039
if Jason would have had access to
the people that ran it, then the

793
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.960
bowling he might have enough game to
change some of the things and bring things

794
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.440
up. Things he brought up none
of us ever thought about and just never

795
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.320
thought about it, so it all
made sense. He's a great ambassador for

796
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.719
the sport and the PBA is lucky
to have him right now for as long

797
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.199
as he as it remains, because
that you know, as you know he

798
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:27.559
said in the show, he doesn't
want to bowl forever. He doesn't see

799
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.239
himself going on the PBA fifty Tour
and and you know, just because he

800
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.280
doesn't want to be away from home
that much. And honestly, he has

801
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.840
nothing left to prove anyway, but
he does have a lot. He had

802
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:39.760
a lot of great ideas that we
didn't even think of about. Yeah,

803
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.360
he's really unique. Jason thinks different. I mean, maybe that's coming from

804
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.840
a different country or not growing up
from when I The little that I know

805
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:50.840
about Jason that he didn't have ESPN, he didn't know who some of the

806
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:54.159
players were, so he didn't grow
up and enamored with I grew up not

807
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:58.280
really even bowling. I just kept
scoring, but oh my god on Saturday.

808
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:02.039
Because my dad was a huge Barrier, sure fan. So when Barry

809
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.960
was on TV, that was it. I was so naive when I watched

810
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.519
TV in the day. If Mark
Marshall or Earl wasn't on, I didn't

811
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:15.119
watch the rest when they announced the
top five, and then the top five

812
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:16.639
would be these five guys, like, oh, this is a bad week.

813
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.360
The good guys aren't on TV.
I didn't. They made so many

814
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.400
shows that pretty much one of the
three made it every single week. So

815
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.280
I didn't. I wasn't. I
grew up loving bowling, even though I

816
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.360
wasn't much of a bowler then.
So Jason has a different take. It's

817
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.760
very unique, but he's done something. But you know, as a guy

818
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.440
that coaches for a living, that
has thirty forty percent of my customers are

819
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.159
two handed, you know, I
have to tip my cap to Jason.

820
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:44.880
I think he I think it the
way the sport was going before COVID.

821
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:46.440
He really kept it going there for
a while because if you look at the

822
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:51.480
high school and the junior and the
college thing, the two ended things are

823
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.239
real deal. And that's all attributed
to Jason. Obviously O Schoo and now

824
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.239
Anthony and some other ones. But
Jason definitely deserves his kudos for keeping our

825
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.800
sport going. It wasn't doing well
for a while. No, you're absolutely

826
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.719
right about that. And he was
I don't want to say a breath of

827
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.719
fresh air, but I mean he
was so unique and did it so well

828
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.559
so fast. I think people were
just enamored with him. And uh and

829
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.840
he's he's a true star. I
mean they are either enamored or they they

830
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.880
didn't like you know, they we
they wear pants with circles through two handers.

831
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:30.639
That's exactly right there. Yeah,
yeah, that used to cost me

832
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:37.320
two fifty So yeah, I mean
it's uh, where's Joe Antenora. That's

833
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.199
a fine man. That was.
I didn't do good with him, I

834
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.920
was, I was always in trouble. Got one year, I got here's

835
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:45.000
a good Here's what I got.
Here's what I got fined for. Do

836
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.400
you know that back in the day, they had a service that would clip

837
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.920
out all the interviews any pro bowler
did in any newspaper in the United States

838
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.559
and it got sent to the office. I got fine one hundred bucks for

839
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:59.840
this bow in Vegas, second stop
of the tour, and had some really

840
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.920
good years. They asked me what
was my goals that year as a pro

841
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.800
bowler. I said, the same
goal I have every year. I want

842
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:10.360
to make more money than Curtis Strange's
Caddy, the guy I printed that cost

843
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.960
me a hundred But you're not wrong. Curtis Strange is making over a million

844
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.000
year. Caddy got Jim for song
one hundred thousand on tour. You're a

845
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.039
top ten money winners. I thought
it was a legitimate goals I have.

846
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:28.519
I have an off topic question because
I'm curious, and I'm sure half of

847
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.800
our viewers are too. Whenever we
have the best in the world at their

848
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:37.000
craft, which obviously aside from bowling, is your ability to teach bowlers.

849
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.440
Who was your like? Who coached
you? I always I always ask people.

850
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.840
I asked Fred Borden and Jerry Edwards
the same thing when I used to

851
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.800
take lessons from them an acron,
Who do you model your teaching after?

852
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:57.920
If anybody, I can't really say
it's it's it's gonna sound odd, but

853
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.000
well, the first person I really
didn't model an inning after with John Wooden.

854
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.159
I'm a big UCLA guy. John
Wooden was the man. Anybody under

855
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.559
the age of fifty doesn't know who
that is, Joel John Wooden. He

856
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:13.559
was pretty legendary in his day,
you know, before the March madness took

857
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.840
over. So John had I mean, mister coach would and had some very

858
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.960
specific ways of coaching. But a
lot of my coaching was based based on

859
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.840
me seeing other coaches do things that
I didn't like. Now, I was

860
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.119
very fortunate in playing sports. My
dad was a great coach, unbelievably good

861
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:30.719
coach. It's not what he did. He was, you know, a

862
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.159
professional banker and did very well for
himself. Well, my dad was a

863
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.480
good coach. Tough on me,
but he was an excellent coach. I

864
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.559
had a coach in high school.
I did a clinic on how to hit

865
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:42.599
a baseball, how to shoot a
jump shot. I had coaches that just

866
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.880
would tell me to do stuff,
and I was the kid that wouldn't do

867
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:46.960
it. And I had some coaches
like, you're five to three as a

868
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.800
freshman in high school basketball, you
want to be a good player. If

869
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.719
you don't change the angle of your
form on how to shoot a jump shot,

870
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.199
you're never going to get it off. He spent an hour with me

871
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.639
showing me how to do it,
and like a light bulbling off. A

872
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.719
guy showed me how to hit an
off speed pitch by watching the seams of

873
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.239
a baseball when I was a junior. If it's a curve, we didn't

874
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.559
throw sliders. If it's a curve, the ball is going to spin this

875
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.599
way, then your shoulder has to
stay tuck longer. All of a sudden,

876
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:10.039
you threw a curve at me,
I was going to hit it.

877
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.039
So I got coached by people who
had always explained to me why they wanted

878
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.559
me to change before I changed.
So I've always tried to implement that because

879
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:23.880
I took lessons from golf instructors and
it was always so bad. They this

880
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.800
kind of made fun of me because
I wasn't any good. I was very

881
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.559
fortunate to be a pretty good bowler
for you know, quite a few years.

882
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:31.960
I was never the man, but
man, I bowled against the man

883
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:36.000
plenty of times, so I saw
what it took. I'm like, how

884
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.639
I bold is irrelevant to coaching.
I got to find a way to communicate

885
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.960
better to the customer. And like
I said, the kind of an odd

886
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:46.320
thing is I've had such a varied
group of people I've coached and some super

887
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:52.719
super super successful people. I actually
learned more from the customers I have than

888
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.199
anybody else. How they become millionaires? How you know these people are?

889
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.360
You know, I'm very lucky.
I have a lot of people that do

890
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.719
well, and you listen to them
talk and like, okay, that's how

891
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:05.639
you should talk to somebody. That's
how they want the information given. So

892
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.760
I was really good at trying to
figure out how to have eight different vocabularies.

893
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.400
So I would do a within five
minutes, I'm doing a bowling EyeQ

894
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.320
test, a physical eye test,
and how athletic are you? Then I

895
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:19.559
give you my number, and whatever
your number is, I change more vocabulary

896
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.400
to match that number. And that
just makes fun, huh. And you

897
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:28.599
do it with every single like you're
constantly on the move with like even your

898
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:32.639
clinics thirty different personalities or even one
on ones. You're you have to kind

899
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.519
of like enter their world in order
to understand. You know why, you

900
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.719
know, you know why. There's
one specific reason why they're the one paying.

901
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.519
It's not my money. I'm not
the one throwing the ball. What

902
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.519
they think matters more than what I
know. What they feel is more important

903
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.840
than what I know. It's not
so much how smart am I as a

904
00:59:53.840 --> 01:00:02.920
coach. Oh, you know,
if that's there you need you have to

905
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.840
have enough game to get the person
to call you. But once they call

906
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:08.440
you and they stepped through my door
of my car, they're in. They're

907
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.679
not in charge. I'm definitely in
charge. You've been to my camps.

908
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.639
I don't. I don't I'm in
charge. But what they think and feel

909
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:19.440
and say do matter. And it
really helped me to stop bowling. When

910
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.239
I quit bowling completely, I became
a much better coach because my ego got

911
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.159
out of it. Once my ego
got out of it. If you took

912
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.280
a lesson on Tuesday and I shot
seven to ninety in league, I was

913
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:31.719
in a good mood. If you
took a league on lesson on Tuesday and

914
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:36.679
I shot six fifty I was a
jerk. I was still trying to be

915
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.280
that guy, and I wasn't that
guy. That guy left a long time

916
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:44.679
ago. But so once I stopped
coaching, I started listening better. And

917
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.360
the one thing I think coach you
should learn. I'm not trying to coach

918
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:51.079
anybody because all the coaches do a
different doing a lot of virtual lessons.

919
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:55.440
Since COVID, bowlers are amazing on
telling you what they do wrong. Bowlers

920
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.599
understand their games so well, if
you just what are we want to work

921
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:05.800
on today? My timing on every
third shot, I'm early, and I

922
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.559
measure them and I get these verds
like they're exactly right. My release isn't

923
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:13.159
consistent. I miss every third shot
on the bottom, you're right. So

924
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.280
if you actually address what they want
for when the lesson goes better and number

925
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.119
two so I kind of I never
have a game plan. I do not

926
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.760
believe in that when you walk in
the door, we're gonna work on whatever

927
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:24.159
you want. Golf coaches, Today, we're gonna putt. No, I

928
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.599
want to hit on. I hit
my wedge bed. Nope, today's a

929
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.000
putting lesson. It's my money.
Why come I can't kick what I want

930
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.440
to do. So I've always tried
to really listen to other person, and

931
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.760
I've gotten better at as i've gotten
older, because I'm still super intense,

932
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.960
but I kind of dig what I
do and I get you know, I

933
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:45.119
get really good results. But I
learned as much from the customer now as

934
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.679
I do from anybody else. John
Wooden, I would say, I've studied

935
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:52.440
all the coaches. I've got hundreds
of mems in my phone looking at quotes

936
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.159
talking about stuff I really like to
do. That was a coach at Alabama.

937
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.280
I thought he was I thought he
was pretty special. He could adjust

938
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.239
to anything. So my son gets
tired of hearing all the quotes. But

939
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:06.360
you know, I look at everybody
in every endeavor, not bowling, just

940
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.719
every sport, every walk of life. Why is this person successful at whatever

941
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:14.039
they do? And I try to
steal something from that? Hell yeah,

942
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:19.000
why was Why was Bobby Knight so
successful? Because obviously you can have explosive

943
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.719
personality. He had an explosive I'm
not well true, true, he's a

944
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.239
little bit over the top of what
do you think Bobby Bobby had in a

945
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:29.719
certain era. Bobby and I couldn't
Bobby and I couldn't coach day one.

946
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.400
Now the players speak back. That
was back in my era we didn't talk

947
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:37.519
back to our parents. So like
now, if I go to Starbucks and

948
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:39.159
a thirteen year oldkid from junior highs
dropping f bombs and I say, you

949
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.360
know, watch your language. If
you you're not my dad. In my

950
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.920
day, that person would have landed. But if anyain of that day,

951
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.039
I would never done it because if
the word got back to my dad that

952
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:54.760
I had told an adult off,
I wouldn't be doing his interview. If

953
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.400
I did, I'd be talking with
a lisp. I guarantee you that he

954
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:00.559
would have let me. I mean
the lot of my Somebody telling my dad

955
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.360
I did something wrong put the fear
in God in me. So it's a

956
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.559
different Bobby Knight could not coach today, but it wouldn't work. He wouldn't

957
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:14.039
get through to the player because of
just the change in society. Social media

958
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:19.719
has changed everything. Social media,
I mean the access to people. You

959
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.239
know, it's hard. It's it's
harder to like to sell this video.

960
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:27.000
It's much harder because I'm competing against
YouTube, and YouTube has one important thing.

961
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.039
It's free. Doesn't matter if the
contents that he good or not it's

962
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.440
free and there's a lot of it
and you can keep watching three four hours.

963
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.079
My charge seventy five dollars. How
dare he charge money? Well,

964
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.039
I mean that the players didn't come
here for free. I didn't rent the

965
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.960
place out for free. The guy
that did the editing wasn't free, the

966
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.280
cameraman wasn't free. So you're trying
to recoup some of your your your cost

967
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:50.239
and trying to make something pretty cool. But the whole world's changed. The

968
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.239
social media Bobby Knight at that time
could get plus Bobby Knight had. If

969
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.119
Bobby Knight didn't have results, he'd
have been blown out of the water.

970
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.840
Every five years he kept winning a
title. They're gonna looking up way and

971
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.639
then he by then the players knew
what he was right, and I knew

972
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.360
what they were getting in you or
you want to it to be your friend.

973
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.280
I mean, when you get done
at the end of day, you

974
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.960
know what they're asking about. I
was on the seventy six team that went

975
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.320
undefeated, and they wear that ring
proudly, and all the stuff Bobby did

976
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:17.800
behind it, they let that slide. If you win, things get to

977
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:20.639
be you know, washed on the
you know, under the car still gets

978
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.320
a pass sometimes, and he went
and choked a guy on the field for

979
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.800
trying out loud. Yeah, So
I mean, it's it's a different world

980
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.440
how that. I mean, like
the big thing with the tight End for

981
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.000
the Chiefs when he lost on the
coach and everybody's getting mad at him.

982
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:39.480
I'm like, hey, what I
mean he became like my favorite player,

983
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:42.719
And then Randy Reid said, he
laughed, he goes, he makes me

984
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.119
young. So they don't know,
they don't people make all these judgments now,

985
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.000
and they don't know the relationship between
that coach and that tight end.

986
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.239
They might have had something. He
said, Hey, if we get complacent,

987
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.719
I need you to light everybody up. That's your job. I mean,

988
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.480
you watch what Herb Brooks did in
the Olympics. Hey, the guy's

989
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.880
hurt. Can you get hurt any
worse? No, he's basically as hurt

990
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:06.119
as he can hurt. Watch he
went and lit that guy up, and

991
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:10.400
that's true stuff. And a team
came back and played and he did it

992
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:14.519
on purpose because that guy had enough
game to take the heat. Today is

993
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.199
a little different world. So what
Travis did, everybody's going crazy. I'm

994
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:21.239
like, yeah, but he was
right, they were flat. They weren't

995
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:26.599
flat. They won, you know, hopefully. You know Reed's got some

996
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.840
thick skin by now. So I
mean, but according to social media,

997
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.840
he should be kicked out of football. So I'm an old fart that doesn't

998
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.719
get it. I don't get it. I'm not you know, and I

999
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:39.559
don't have sensitive feelings. My poor
son has to put up with me.

1000
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:44.599
I'm tough, but I also want
results and I know what what's right,

1001
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.480
what's wrong. So you go from
there. But social media is, ah,

1002
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.639
it's a wild animal, isn't it
tell you what? Mark Baker's Twitter

1003
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:56.480
and everybody in the chat. Let's
go see see how he likes, how

1004
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.119
he would, how he did in
the interview for now. I mean,

1005
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:00.840
that's just, you know, it
is what it is. I am who

1006
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.280
I am. I'm lucky that i've
been. I'm the same guy every day.

1007
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:05.400
One thing I do like that I'm
blessing too. That's good for you

1008
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.760
man. One thing I do like
when people come to my camp. I've

1009
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:12.800
had a man from Rafee come from
Mexico and he said that the reason why

1010
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.400
he liked camp was my book and
my DVD and how I coach in person

1011
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.159
I'm the same guy every day,
so I really do work on being This

1012
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:24.960
isn't me getting wound up. This
is just Wednesday. I'm always slightly wound

1013
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.440
up, so that's who I am. I'm old enough now that I really

1014
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.719
don't care when anybody thinks you know
what they're going to do to you,

1015
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.400
I don't care. I know,
I know, I know. I'm in

1016
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.480
clean and sober for a long time, twenty three years clean and sober.

1017
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:40.159
I'm a good guy now, but
before I had issues, So now I'm

1018
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.719
pretty scored away that way. So
I'm never I'm never saying anything mean to

1019
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:45.239
anybody. I'm not trying to be
mean to anybody. But I got my

1020
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.920
own opinion, and I'm allowed to
have it. That's part of being American.

1021
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.519
You're allowed to have your own damn
opinion. You don't get to give

1022
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:54.559
me my opinion. That's just how
this works, whether you think is right

1023
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.400
or wrong. I'm allowed to have
mine too, as well as you're allowed

1024
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.239
to have yours. And yours isn't
better because you got more feelings. Now,

1025
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:01.880
I know that's going to piss some
people off, but sooner life you

1026
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:06.320
got to stand up tips I'm trying
to show because they don't have the mental

1027
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:11.039
capacity to do what you're doing.
It's the same like I love Arnold Schwartzeger

1028
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:15.360
and his number one thing in life
is consistency. If you're consistent, you

1029
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.320
trump everything. If you're they know, my son, and why everybody loves

1030
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.760
you is because you're like that,
Like Rafe said from Mexico, you are

1031
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:27.800
consistent, You're always there and they
always know exactly what they're getting. What

1032
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.760
you do, you know, it
is what it is. So it's it's

1033
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:32.280
I I shouldn't have said all ye, that's the problem. Now I think

1034
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:41.559
I shouldn't have said those things.
That's what sorry won't do. What I

1035
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.039
try to show my son is the
one thing. And I've coached some some

1036
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.400
you know, people that are almost
billionaires. I know one guy in the

1037
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.239
valley I coach, Harry. What
does that guy do for a living?

1038
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:54.159
I think he kind of owns the
stock market? This guy, you know,

1039
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:56.639
this guy is when he starts talking
about what he does, I'm like,

1040
01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:00.360
you do what? I mean?
So bright? So what the one

1041
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.119
common thing of all the people I've
coached. I coached Mookie Betts in here.

1042
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:09.239
I've coached a lot of successful people, Chris Barnes, they just outwork

1043
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:12.119
everybody. So I knew when Dave
Hughes said, and I talked today,

1044
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.039
when I quit my job to become
a coach again, he goes, this

1045
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:16.840
time, when you coach, you
have to promise me you're going to coach

1046
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.600
more than anybody else if you put
in more hours. The way Dave put

1047
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:25.119
it was so basically, if you
do more sit ups everybody else, you'll

1048
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:28.159
have the stronger stomach. So you
have to find a way to get to

1049
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:31.359
more people than anybody else that's ever
coached. And I've and I've tried my

1050
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.319
best. I'm not sure if I'm
you know, we don't keep track.

1051
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.840
But if you want to take a
swing at my numbers, you better you

1052
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.720
better get ready. I did over. I work with over two thousand people

1053
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.119
fourteen straight years before COVID, so
I was getting after with Barry and I

1054
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.840
were doing the clinics. So I
thought the only way to become a good

1055
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.159
coach was to coach a ton.
How many people can I see? I

1056
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:54.640
want to coach, and til there's
no style, I can't help because in

1057
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.079
the beginning, with somebody having unque
style, I'd be Texan Barry, you

1058
01:08:57.159 --> 01:08:59.800
got to come down lane thirty one. You've never seen this before. I

1059
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:01.359
have no idea what to do.
Well, I don't say that anymore.

1060
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.560
I've gotten past that. So my
idea for me to be comfortable and me

1061
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.880
to be helpful to people, I
had to sort of my brain to be

1062
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.760
calm. I had to outwork everybody. There are other other better coaches,

1063
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:15.920
I'm sure they are. Are there
more technical people? Way more do they

1064
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.039
know more about bullying balls? Way
more do I get out worked? I'm

1065
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:21.479
not sure about that one. Banks. I have two quick questions for you.

1066
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:29.439
They're both kind of broad, but
I again curiosity number one. When

1067
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:34.039
somebody pays you for say an hour
or two hour lesson, and thirty to

1068
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:39.000
forty minutes through you start to show
them, say that your first or second

1069
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:42.920
tiper of something, and their answer
is, well, no, I can't

1070
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:45.640
do that. My body won't allow
me to do that. What do you

1071
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:50.399
do? That's my first question,
and because I'm assuming with the thousands you've

1072
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:54.880
coached, you've run into that a
few times. And my second question,

1073
01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.279
and I don't want to shun anybody
here, and there may not be a

1074
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:02.239
definitive answer, but who is the
most talented player you've ever worked with.

1075
01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.000
So the first question, I've never
had that problem. I'm good. I

1076
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:11.079
will never ask you to do something. Remember this coaching is about me,

1077
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.880
not about me telling you what's right. Coaching is about me telling you what

1078
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.680
you can do. That's why I'm
so good with seniors. I mean,

1079
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:19.960
you're seventy five. There are certain
things you can and can't do. I

1080
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:23.520
have one who I had a doctor
another and y'all, I coach a lot

1081
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.279
of the success I've had. Doctor
Weissen here today, he's like, I'm

1082
01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:29.119
down to one sixty. We worked
on a few things. We moved him

1083
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:30.640
up, got rid of his knee
band, stood him taller, got his

1084
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.760
law longer, and he threw like
a first four bagger of the twenties.

1085
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.479
So I don't let that happen.
What you talked about, I can't do

1086
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:43.279
that because I'm not asking him to
do something they can't do. Hey,

1087
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:48.680
Mark, real quick, did your
injury kind of that unfortunately created an injury?

1088
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:54.000
Like? Did that make you more
aware of somebody's mechanics so they don't

1089
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.920
injure themselves or making them first question
I asked, as anybody, any part

1090
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.760
of your body hurt. There you
go, I was a job. I'm

1091
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:02.680
just going to bowl through the pain. I'm just gonna suck down enough to

1092
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:08.479
leave the bowl. Not a good
move. So yeah, that was I'm

1093
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:14.000
very sensitive. I'll guarantee you had
Kane radiating pain radio legs and it was

1094
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.159
you. I'm sure it's L five
S one, L four L five somewhere

1095
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:19.760
around there the sitting. I guess
that's what my laminectomy was, exactly in

1096
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:24.439
those two spots. One hundred percent. Ladies and gentlemen are resident doctor.

1097
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.680
That's it. That's why he said
he was a king of anatomy. He

1098
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.159
got it right exactly. So I
try not just not just a pretty face.

1099
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.560
So your question is I don't really
have that. And by the way,

1100
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:40.000
at forty five minutes the it's the
first five minutes. I know what

1101
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.560
I'm doing right. It takes three
suns. I've done this a lot.

1102
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:45.760
I'm quick. I'm fast. You
do those clinics with Barry, and you've

1103
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:47.439
been to my camp. There are
thirty six people wanting to get better,

1104
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.199
and I do all the assessing.
So I got to be quick. So

1105
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:53.359
one thing that clinics did, it
got me to be or I could help

1106
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.840
between thirty and fifty people in two
hours, So you have to be able

1107
01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:59.560
to assess it fast. So I
came up with my own system. I'm

1108
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:01.520
not saying my system is the right
system. I'm saying it works for me.

1109
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.319
It allows me to help bowlers.
You know, I guess the easiest

1110
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:10.199
way to put it. I see
everybody as a jigsaw puzzle. Everybody's a

1111
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.479
jigsaw puzzle. And how do you
build a jig puzzle? Jigsaw puzzle?

1112
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.039
There's four borders, top borders,
consistency, bottom borders, timing, one

1113
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.159
on the rights, balance one of
left, sacricy. If I can fix

1114
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:24.119
those four things because they all come
for the what they all come for the

1115
01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:28.079
release. So my theory on the
jigsaw puzzle the way social media telling me

1116
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.840
all these drills and all these things
about the release, release, release,

1117
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.399
They're trying to build a jigsaw puzzle
with the middle piece. First, how's

1118
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.960
that work out? You can't build
a jigsaw puzzle that way. I work

1119
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.800
on the four things I am very
good at, and when I get those

1120
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:45.960
four, fixing the release not very
hard. Wow. So your second question,

1121
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.279
you're gonna get me in trouble.
So the most talented player I ever

1122
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:53.279
worked with. I don't want to, but I definitely want to know.

1123
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.479
Man, there there there There's only
because I know who you were worked with

1124
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:08.680
and they're so goddamn many Mark Yeah, USA allowed me like em USA allowed

1125
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:13.199
me access to probably the most talented
person. I never got a chance to

1126
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.479
work with Pete, but I got
a chance to spend a little bit of

1127
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:20.039
time with EJ. Tackett. That
was special. He how I see a

1128
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:25.680
lane and how I teach what I
teach is basically watching him bowl in Hong

1129
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:29.119
Kong the World Championships, how he
saw the lane different than everybody else in

1130
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:30.880
the world, and he ran the
gold medal over like it was nothing.

1131
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:33.640
And he sat down and explained to
me how he did it, and it

1132
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:39.920
made me see the lane different.
So EJ. Tackett is is basically to

1133
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:45.399
me, the my mount Rushmore releases
was Don Johnson, Marshall Homan, A'manamnicelli,

1134
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.039
and Tommy Jones. That was the
four best releases I had ever seen,

1135
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:51.920
and then then now there's a guy
on top. I think Tackett has

1136
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:58.119
the best one handed natural release talent
wise I've ever seen in Pete's in there

1137
01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:03.199
somewhere. Most talent, It's it's
a toss up, you know. Barnes

1138
01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:05.960
was the hardest worker I've ever worked
with. I've never seenbody want it as

1139
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:13.119
bad as Chris. But the most
talented probably Tommy. Tommy's just Tommy's Tommy.

1140
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:14.920
Man. It's like, hey,
Tommy, on this shot, I

1141
01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:16.479
want you to slide on the wrong
foot. You got to look out of

1142
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:19.479
your left eye. You only breathed
through your right nostril. It would take

1143
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:23.800
him three shots to strike Biggs.
I don't think this looks very good,

1144
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.359
Tommy. This is the new style. We're all gonna bowl on the wrong

1145
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.680
foot. Whatever you say, Biggs, Chris would say, what if I

1146
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:32.920
use every other eye on every other
step, and every other step I breathe

1147
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.079
out of a different nostril? How
about that? Chris is never satisfied.

1148
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:40.399
So those are the guys that I
thought were the most Bill O'Neil was very

1149
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:44.520
easy to work with. I had
great get right one with Mika. The

1150
01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.239
smartest guy I've ever coached, by
far was Mike Fagan. Mike Fagan was

1151
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:51.840
brilliant. He thought on a different
plane than everybody else. AJ might be

1152
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:56.359
as good as athlete as ever coached. Chris Viiz probably the strongest guy I've

1153
01:14:56.359 --> 01:15:00.800
ever coached. Oh, probably the
hardest worker by far, would be a

1154
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:03.680
toss up. I spent more time
with Danielle McEwan and then it would be

1155
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:10.119
Shannon O'Keefe. Those two people want
it so bad it's scary. Those are

1156
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:12.840
the two want it the most.
Would be those two girls, Danielle and

1157
01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:17.319
Shannon. I would say those are
the two that wanted the most. The

1158
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:24.039
one time I ever spent a day
with Danielle was in West Haverstraw. She

1159
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:28.239
invited me up to the Stony Point
area to go practice, and that's when

1160
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:32.720
I definitely knew how shitty I was
in comparison to people that work that hard.

1161
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.880
It was a pleasure to watch her
on the lanes and still to this

1162
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:40.840
day. I mean, she's still
one of my favorites. So that that's

1163
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.239
a pretty good crew I just named. I mean, I've been very and

1164
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:47.319
then I was just gonna say,
but now doing the video, I never

1165
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:49.359
coached, I mean, it was
all, it was all what they call

1166
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:54.920
it organic. I gave no instructions. You know, Jason and Simon and

1167
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:57.520
Pray there. I don't really know
those guys that, well, so what

1168
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.279
are we doing? I said,
well, there's tape on the lane.

1169
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.119
Throw between the tape every shot and
split the eight nine what ball? Don't

1170
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:08.039
care where you want us to play
wherever you want, That's all I said.

1171
01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.880
And then I never worked with Jason
or Anthony at all, but watching

1172
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.560
him in person, it was it
was eye opening how good they were.

1173
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:18.560
Pray there was super smooth Dave's.
I never broke down Dave Houstad's game before

1174
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:23.399
the entire time. We never talked
about our games, we never worked with

1175
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:25.479
each other, we never did any
of that. We roomed together for nine

1176
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:29.279
years. So breaking down Dave's game
at sixty three, you see why he

1177
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:30.680
won the US Open three times.
I mean, it was amazing. How

1178
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:36.119
it's like if you watch my video
Pray, there is almost Dave Housteed.

1179
01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:41.279
Their games were scary, the same
where their ball was in their third step,

1180
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:44.800
how they both dropped their hips down
the exactly the same time their timing

1181
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:46.600
spot. So like Pray, they're
trying to become the new Housteed, which

1182
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.319
you could do worse than that.
So they were all fun to work with.

1183
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:53.119
But I would say, you know, Christen, you know here's a

1184
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:57.000
good story for working hard. My
son's trying to become a good bowler.

1185
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.000
About a year ago. He's bowling
okay, but you know it's it's hard

1186
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.640
to find lanes. I'm talking about
practicing more. Yeah, well, how

1187
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.239
much practice? Dad? I said? It's like, let's give Uncle Chris

1188
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:08.039
a call. So I called Chris. He answers, Hey, what's going

1189
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.119
on? Hey, I want you
to talk to Gauge. My son,

1190
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.920
I said, Gage said, Uncle
Chris, when did you decide to become

1191
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:16.479
a pro bowler? And Chris said
around twenty two to twenty three. I

1192
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:19.239
wanted to make a living at bowling. He didn't join the tour for a

1193
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:21.640
couple more years. He goes,
but I knew I wanted to make a

1194
01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:25.319
living thrown a bowling ball. I
didn't want to work for anybody. So

1195
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.640
how much did you practice to get
good? And Chris said, well,

1196
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:30.319
you know, for a long time, between fifteen one hundred games a week

1197
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:34.640
and my end And my son goes, wow, that's so cool. How

1198
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:38.520
long did you do that for?
And Chris said, well, on fifty

1199
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:44.520
three, So for thirty straight years
and my engagement, you've been practicing fifty

1200
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:46.319
games a week for thirty years straight, and Chris went, well, they

1201
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:50.319
just don't give you those titles.
And my son went, you guys are

1202
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:54.319
crazy. You're both crazy. I
went, no, you want to get

1203
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:57.840
good in something. And you guys
all liked that. He has nineteen titles

1204
01:17:57.880 --> 01:17:59.760
and he's won the Triple Crown and
it. You know, for a ten

1205
01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:02.279
years run he was as good Ashim
Weyver Bold. But man, that stuff

1206
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:06.159
doesn't just happen there. You know
how many thousands of hours was He's down

1207
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:11.159
there working on something to get better. And they everybody in every sport does

1208
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.720
that. Danielle and Shannon. I
don't know who works harder at it than

1209
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:16.439
those two. So there's all that
goes into it. It always comes down

1210
01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.319
to the same thing. When Eye
bowled on tour, nobody practice more than

1211
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:24.359
Ozio, nobody practice more than Patrick
Allen. I mean, there's there's not

1212
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:28.119
a lot of heat. There's only
one Homan. Marshall didn't practice much.

1213
01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.600
Marshall was just Marshall. I mean, there's only one of those. So's

1214
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.760
to get in that level of anything
in life, whether it's coaching or bowling,

1215
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:38.960
or becoming the best salesman at whatever
you sell, the people that tend

1216
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:42.319
to work the hardest tend to get
the best results. It's like Kobe's shooting

1217
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:44.920
free throws for twelve hours a day, you know what I mean, Kobe,

1218
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:46.039
And then now that he you know, now I'm an LA guy,

1219
01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:50.560
and all these stories about Kobe and
these godly practice sessions. That's how it

1220
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:55.319
works. Yeah, same with andre
Acacy and guys like that. I mean,

1221
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.920
the best, they're always going to
do what it takes to I mean,

1222
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:02.279
obviously they have the talent to do
it. But the difference is,

1223
01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:06.079
I don't think the best think we're
going to do what it takes. They

1224
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:11.119
actually like doing it. So when
I coach these crazy amount of hours and

1225
01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:14.479
do these, in my mind,
I got to x amount of lessons and

1226
01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:17.520
clinics and virtual to pay my family's
bills. So there's that to come first.

1227
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.840
I don't see it as a big
number. I see it as that's

1228
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:25.439
what keeps me sharp. I like
is I have to work on my communication

1229
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:29.239
skills every single day. I have
to talk clearer. I talk much slower

1230
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:31.000
than I ever did before, but
I have to be able to communicate with

1231
01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:35.000
people that amazingly. At the training
center at one hundred and forty an hour.

1232
01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:39.640
I get people to show up all
the time without gear, no ball,

1233
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.199
no shoes. You got to go
buy a ball, and you gotta

1234
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:44.399
go buy some shoes, take a
lesson. So I get people from that

1235
01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:46.279
thing all the way to the tour
players that have been here, so all

1236
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:50.159
these different types. I have to
constantly be working at my craft to get

1237
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:53.960
better. I don't want to get
where yet. I went to a camp

1238
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.880
five years ago, and that's exactly
the same. I take great pride in

1239
01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:00.039
always changing my powerpoints no matter what. When I get done, I'm like,

1240
01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.920
that wasn't right. That could be
said better. So I'm always trying

1241
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.760
to do it better because I got
to keep finding new clients and I got

1242
01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:11.399
to keep bringing clients back. So
I can't get boring. And I'm hyper.

1243
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.000
So if I start saying the same
thing over and over and over and

1244
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:19.119
try nothing new, my effort won't
be very good. So that's why I

1245
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:21.680
did the one handed video. I
came up with my own terms. Somebody's

1246
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:26.720
ever talked about sequencing. I invented
core management, the baker box, moving

1247
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.000
the ear forward. I mean,
if you buy the video and you watch

1248
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.000
it like, those are terms that
nobody else in bowlings ever used, and

1249
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:34.960
I just giving a lot of lessons
and explaining how I explain it. So

1250
01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.680
that's kind of what I like.
I like, I want to see how

1251
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:43.439
far I could push myself. And
it's it's, you know, it's why

1252
01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:46.359
you're the best, because like you
said, you range anywhere from a novice

1253
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:51.399
player with no equipment to the greatest
talents the sport has ever seen. It.

1254
01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:56.239
It's it's like it speaks volumes of
the way you teach. And for

1255
01:20:56.279 --> 01:21:00.479
anybody listening, you know, aside
from you know, there's great coaches all

1256
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.319
over the world. Not going to
say that, I'm not going to doubt

1257
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:08.520
that or anything along those lines,
but I will say when you have somebody

1258
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.359
like this who's not only willing to
go out of their way for the first

1259
01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:14.920
thing they say is to make sure
that you're physically fit to do what he's

1260
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:19.279
about to say, to allow himself
to treat every bowler, whether they don't

1261
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:23.239
have a new bowling ball or their
own bowling ball, all the way to

1262
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:26.960
the greatest talent the sports ever seen. That's what makes a world renowned coach.

1263
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:32.800
And I'm pretty sure at this point
in your life You've certainly recognized just

1264
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:36.119
how badass you are for those reasons, aside from everything else. No,

1265
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:39.880
I've got a great wife. She
keeps me in check. I don't ever

1266
01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:42.800
see it that way. I don't
ever part of it's coaching at a training

1267
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.000
center. I mean I don't.
I'm not in a bowling center. I

1268
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:46.279
don't. I'm not talking to people
as much. And then when I go

1269
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.079
and when I go to bowling center
now it's only to watch gage bowl and

1270
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:53.840
I really go out of my way
not to be that guy. I'm just

1271
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:56.640
trying to be a dad. It's
such a hard I feel so sorry for

1272
01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:00.119
my son sometimes. You know,
he had a very good point. You

1273
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.640
know this is this isn't easy with
you sometimes and I said, yeah,

1274
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:04.600
I get it, and he goes, No, Dad, if you go

1275
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:08.680
watch a bowling tournament, there's a
bunch of dads in there that think they

1276
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:11.159
know bowling, and there none of
them can bowl. You actually won on

1277
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.680
tour. Okay, you got that. I was pretty good bowler one time

1278
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:16.479
that none of the kids know.
And he goes. Then all the dads

1279
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.239
are trying to coach their kids and
they don't know anything about bowling. Dad,

1280
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:21.600
you're a pretty good coach. So
you were a good bowler and you're

1281
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:24.640
a good coach, and I picked
bowling on it, and you should have

1282
01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:28.119
picked a different sport. You pick
basketball and you pick bowling. I know

1283
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.399
basically nothing about anything else in life, so it's got to be hard for

1284
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.960
gauge. And I really go out
of my way not to be him when

1285
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:35.359
I'm there, and when I'm here, I don't ever see it. I

1286
01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:39.920
don't, you know. Barry Asher
keeps me in check, Dave Houston keeps

1287
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:42.720
me in check, Joe Hutch keys
me in check. I don't really see

1288
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:45.760
it that way. All I know
is today I had six lessons and they

1289
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.680
were really good lessons and all six
of them re signed up. And Tomorrow

1290
01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:53.239
I have seven lessons, and Friday
I have nine, and Saturday I have

1291
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:56.960
nine. Sunday I have six,
and I'm going to run those lessons over

1292
01:22:57.079 --> 01:22:59.319
like I've never done it before.
If I do that, I got a

1293
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:00.600
chance to see him again. And
if I do that, I got a

1294
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.119
chance to go to work next week. It's always, you know, the

1295
01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:05.760
clean and sober thing. It's one
day at a time for me. It's

1296
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:09.319
one lesson at a time. I
have to give everything I got, every

1297
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:12.520
lesson because you don't know if that's
the person that's gonna take five hundred lessons

1298
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.920
the next ten years. You don't
know who that person is. So I

1299
01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:17.159
can't. I can't send it in. It's just not fair, and I

1300
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:19.439
charge too much. I charge a
lot of money, So I try.

1301
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:21.880
You know, I have my bad
days, but I really go out of

1302
01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:26.239
my way. Not None of that
stuff matters to me. I just want

1303
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:29.479
to really do well tomorrow. If
I do well tomorrow, it's gonna give

1304
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:32.840
me a chance to do well on
Friday. Like I always think, every

1305
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.880
camp is gonna be the one camp
nobody gets better. That's my biggest fear.

1306
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:40.000
I've done forty two. What if
I get to Friday and nobody got

1307
01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:44.880
better. Then I get to Friday
and better. But every camp I go

1308
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:46.159
into it, I'm so worried that
what if I lose it? What if

1309
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:49.039
I don't have it no more?
So I always worry about that because I'm

1310
01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.680
bowling. One day I didn't have
it no more. One day I became

1311
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:55.800
a really good league bowler, and
that's it. It goes away. So

1312
01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.239
I'm always worried that coaching will go
away if I don't keep pushing myself to

1313
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:00.960
try to say a little different.
Plus, it keeps it fun. I

1314
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.039
mean, I'm been doing this for
a while. I'm sixty three. My

1315
01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:05.600
son starts, you know, high
school next year, so I'll be doing

1316
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:10.319
this a few more years. You're
how old I am? Sixty two,

1317
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.199
I'll be sixty three. I'm sixty
two, all right to fuck out it.

1318
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:19.560
That's graduated in nineteen seventy nine.
My first year on tour is a

1319
01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:21.960
I went on tour in eighty made
a couple of finals. I went on

1320
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.640
the Winter Tour in eighty one,
got my ass handed to me. To

1321
01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:28.239
me, it was like Mark Roffett, come up one week, Hey kid,

1322
01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:30.720
I need a new car. Keep
going for the earl. Hey I

1323
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.600
need a new kitchen this week,
keep going on tour. I'll tell you

1324
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.840
what it was my first full year
after listen, six sixty two year old

1325
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:42.720
listen. I'm just going to announce
this to everybody about being sober. If

1326
01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.800
you want to look that good at
sixty two, like Mark Baker or Parker

1327
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:49.920
Bone, stay sober. Parker stays
sober. Little Parker just stays over the

1328
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:54.439
whole time, the whole front.
Yeah, i'd go you were like maybe

1329
01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:58.840
fifty two. Maybe, Oh no, I I I've actually my mind.

1330
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.920
I'm being down still. I'm trying
to ski back and forth really fast.

1331
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.760
Right now you look better than me
and I'm forty seven, So I mean,

1332
01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:09.560
oh yeah, I graduate high school
seventy nine. I went on tour,

1333
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:13.000
and I think eighty one was my
first. My first year really on

1334
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:15.119
tour was eighty two in my first
full year, and then I in ninety

1335
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:19.239
I was done. I pulled nine
full years. Wow, that's if you

1336
01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:24.279
saw my father, it's jeans.
It's just jeans. My dad, we

1337
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:28.239
look eerily the same. He's got
a he's eighty three, plays one hundred

1338
01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:30.039
rounds of golf a year, travels
a lot, very you know, we

1339
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:32.920
played the card games. He still
wins all the card games, plays the

1340
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:35.880
stock market, does all that.
And my dad talks like I talk,

1341
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:40.000
and we kind of look almost exactly
the same same size. So a lot

1342
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.640
of what is just jeans like,
but there's there's plenty of gray on the

1343
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:46.399
side that some mornings is pretty rough. But it is what it is.

1344
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:48.640
Man, what are you gonna do? That's true? No, that is

1345
01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:55.720
true. Another guy from California that
obviously is very well known and ardadly one

1346
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.800
of the best players, if not
the best ever, would be Walter Ray.

1347
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.960
And obviously you got a chance to
beat him. And now I believe

1348
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:03.960
that was his first year on tour, and I think he had won the

1349
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:11.319
tournament previous to that week, so
he wasn't really in Walter mode yet.

1350
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:13.640
But I mean, you could tell
from the beginning that he was very good.

1351
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.279
What were your thoughts about him early
on? And how do you attribute

1352
01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:21.960
his success over such a long period
of time. So I have I have

1353
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:27.079
an amazing story. If you got
five minutes, sure true story Walter.

1354
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.960
The reason why Walter's so good for
so long is easy. None of us

1355
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.880
knew how bad Walter wanted it.
I guarantee you wherever Walter is to it,

1356
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.840
he's watching this. If they got
a five gamer at ten o'clock at

1357
01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:41.560
night to some random bowling center in
Florida, Walter's bowling, but Walter's bowling

1358
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.520
to win. I've never seen a
guy that likes winning more than Walter.

1359
01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:47.479
You got to give him that.
He's I'm sixty two, Walter's probably sixty

1360
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:49.920
four. I never seen a guy
I want to win like he's won.

1361
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:54.199
So I'm bowling. We're bowling in
the Southern California. In nineteen eighty eighty

1362
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:58.119
one, we both the Southern California
Open, which was twelve teams, no

1363
01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:01.199
league rules because there he need work
both any four you could just Mark Ross

1364
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.680
sub, Dave houstit sub. It
was the ultimate, the ultimate Open league.

1365
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:08.000
He had to have one regular.
You could have three subs every night,

1366
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:11.760
including in the roll off. So
it was a stud league. And

1367
01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:14.319
this guy John Keene wanted to get
a guy that bowl on his team.

1368
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:15.920
Hey, I got a guy.
He's not really two hundred yet, but

1369
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:19.079
he's really improved a lot. Do
you guys mind if he bowls the league

1370
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:23.960
and he's not quite there yet.
So this guy was Walter Ay Williams.

1371
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.399
And I'm like, I see the
guy. I'm like, I read the

1372
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.439
bowling paper. That's the guy that
bowls the coffee club at Limbrook on Sundays

1373
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:31.439
with the old ladies. Yeah,
but he wins all the scratch sideplots.

1374
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.319
I'll give him that. So he
started bowling more, and he started bowling

1375
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:39.880
more so that year, whatever year
that was, For some reason, we

1376
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:43.439
don't have a tournament on Labor Day
weekend, Walter asked me, Bobby Fenton

1377
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:47.960
and Ernie Harding to my good friends
with the California Hey, I'm playing horseshoes

1378
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.800
this weekend at the La County Fair. Do you guys want to come watch

1379
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:56.960
me play horseshoes. I'm like,
what are you talking about? He goes

1380
01:27:57.399 --> 01:27:59.920
just matter of factly, because Walter
was, you know, Walter was Walter.

1381
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:01.199
He goes, well, I'm the
best horseshoe player in the world.

1382
01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:04.159
We're like, come on, you're
like on the low man on the sheet

1383
01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:08.119
and league. Sure. Sure,
So we go out on a Monday air

1384
01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:11.680
a Sunday to La County Fair and
Pomona. There were a few beverages involved.

1385
01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:14.640
By noon, we were hammered.
So we go find the horseshoe pit.

1386
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.039
We come out there and we're allowed, where's Walter Ray? And we

1387
01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:21.199
want to see Walter Ray? And
people said, you know dead Eye personally,

1388
01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:26.439
what you actually know dead Eye?
Williams like, what are you talking

1389
01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:30.439
about? He's the greatest horseshoe player
of all time. Like no, So

1390
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:33.319
then he was seated like into the
quarterfinals. We're out there and Walter comes

1391
01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:36.560
out and he walks down from one
end to the other of the horseshoe pit.

1392
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:41.359
He's got on the short open,
the short opiece shorts, He's got

1393
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:44.039
his wall in his front pocket,
got the white sox on with the red

1394
01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:47.199
stripes to the knees. He walks
down the middle of this horseshoe pit and

1395
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:50.640
it was like Mark Roth, Marshall, Home and Earl Anthony were rolled into

1396
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:56.960
one guy. The rout stop talking
and we're looking around like what is going

1397
01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:00.439
on? And then he started throwing
him and all three he was went,

1398
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.319
oh no, if this guy ever
figures out, he's going to beat us.

1399
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:08.399
All hero these ringers like it.
I mean, it was everybody was

1400
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:11.560
at forty fIF percent. Walter sawing
him at eighty five ninety and he's making

1401
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:15.119
the ringer go on a certain way
and he's spinning on whichever I mean.

1402
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:17.079
And the thing was his last couple
of steps and his fall through in a

1403
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:20.479
little spin out didn't look that much
different than his bowling game, and we

1404
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:26.640
all went, oh no, he's
eating something at forty feet within sixteenth of

1405
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.640
an inch. Here figures us out. He's going to kill us. And

1406
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:33.680
he turned into Waltery Wayams. Jude, Wow, you predicted the future.

1407
01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:38.680
Basically, are right there? Huh, getting right? I had no idea

1408
01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:40.680
he was going to be this good. He grew up with us, he

1409
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.239
was there, he started winning regionals. Then he went on tour and he

1410
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.920
made a couple of shows by eighty
five, even on tour two or three

1411
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.039
years. I think what Walter figured
out quickly was he was the first guy

1412
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.920
really to use a spare ball more
anybody else. And when he bowled me

1413
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.039
on the show, he was trying
to really slow hook it. Walter came

1414
01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:57.960
on tour, he threw it really
really slow and tried to hook the lane.

1415
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:00.560
He hooked the way. He didn't
watch that on a highlight. I'm

1416
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:03.880
not doing anymore. I'm gonna start
throwing a hard straight. But people forget

1417
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:06.880
he lost to me that week,
and a week or two later he won

1418
01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:10.159
in Baltimore throwing a hard straight,
and he ended up being Player of the

1419
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.760
Year that year, and the rest, they say is history. YEA,

1420
01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:16.039
his heart, he wants it more
than anybody else I've ever met, and

1421
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.920
I know some bowlers that really want
it. Walter is another level of a

1422
01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:24.479
competitor, and he's super smart too. He's got multiple degrees of cal poly

1423
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:26.880
I mean like he's a he's a
brilliant. He probably could have been an

1424
01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:30.880
engineer in some field. No lack
of intelligence for Walter. Just ask him.

1425
01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:34.600
I love. It's fantastic. He're
my buddy, Walter. I can

1426
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:40.079
say that I knew you. I
knew you win. You mentioned actually before

1427
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:42.279
we get to I want to ask
you a question about EJ. But before

1428
01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:44.560
we get to him. Real quick, though, we watched during your highlight

1429
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.439
package. Uh, you mentioned that
was a bad ruling on the pin that

1430
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:51.600
that fell, and ABC did a
great job of showing a super slow mo

1431
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:56.239
of it. I think gravity.
I think gravity knocked it over. I

1432
01:30:56.920 --> 01:30:59.760
came down and it was it was
a bad view. I've kind of struck

1433
01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:02.000
there. I had a shot to
seventy. I wouldn't have missed, but

1434
01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:06.199
it was already kind of going before
the miss year though. It wasn't like

1435
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:10.920
it was up right. It was
on it, you get it. That

1436
01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:17.039
was and you know, you know
the anatomy of all of body, So

1437
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:18.720
that was I don't know. I
hadn't won it. A couple of years,

1438
01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:21.119
I made a bunch of shows.
I had him on there. He

1439
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:25.159
had nothing. I had a four
backer. I had shot previously, I

1440
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.279
just shot like seven seventy to front
three. I was bowling so good.

1441
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:30.760
That was. That was the best
ever bowl. I carry that. I

1442
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:33.239
don't to this day. I've never
taken a run and dobe on an approach.

1443
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:38.479
I never did it before. I
never did it after. Obviously I

1444
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:41.520
was an out of body experience.
And then it, you know, I

1445
01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:44.479
end up winning the tournament. I
parlayed that into second place with the Firestone

1446
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:45.880
Tournament Champions. If I don't win
that tournament, I don't get in the

1447
01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:48.920
Firestone. I won about forty grand
that day, finished the second to home,

1448
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.319
and so at least I took that. I took advantage of that win

1449
01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:55.760
and parlayed it into a good,
pretty good event in the Firestone. Yeah,

1450
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.279
I still think he got screwed over
there. I don't care if it's

1451
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:00.000
I don't know how many years,
you know, thirty forty years ago.

1452
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:03.720
Who cares that that that the pin
centter never touched that pin. Yeah,

1453
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.359
I'm to this day, I know
if I carry that tu upin I'm off

1454
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:09.600
the sheet for two seventy I'd have
been There's nothing, There's no way I

1455
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:14.840
would have missed. Hello was Harry
Golden I just got lucky. Was Harry

1456
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:18.119
Golden the one that made the ruling? I guess, yeah, Harry was

1457
01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:20.439
in charge, so he made the
ruling. And they said that, you

1458
01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:26.199
know, it's if they rule the
other way then then it's controversial. But

1459
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:30.399
you still, you still knew you
had you had uh Walter that day though,

1460
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:32.640
I mean, you just that I
wasn't gonna make any more spares.

1461
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.279
That's true, that is that is
very true. Just you know, one

1462
01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:39.800
of those days, you know,
it just it's you know, I was

1463
01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:43.239
twenty was eighty six off twenty five. It's just going. So you know.

1464
01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:45.600
TV was always tricky because I'm going
pretty fast as it is, yeah,

1465
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:48.720
and TV was faster. So I
had a hard time than my last

1466
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:50.960
two times I vote for titles when
I bowl thoz, Yet when I bow

1467
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:55.840
wonder Lich, I shot to fifty
both times. Once I got comfortable TV

1468
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:59.520
and I knew how to slow it
down and really just focus on the one

1469
01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:02.239
shot, then I stopped making shows. When I made a lot of shows,

1470
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:04.960
I was just wanting to win so
bad. I was looking at the

1471
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:09.479
result so much because I was supposed
to win, all this potential and all

1472
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:13.239
that crazy stuff that I couldn't slow
my brain down enough to bowl get on

1473
01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:15.960
TV. Then when I finally got
pretty good at bowling on TV, I

1474
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.640
stopped making TV shows. So what
are you gonna do? It is what

1475
01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:21.279
it is. I won four times. That's not as good as I probably

1476
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:25.359
should have, but you know,
still four titles is more than most kit

1477
01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:28.560
So it was. I made twenty
seven shows. It was a pretty good

1478
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:31.279
career. Seventeen top five finishes.
I mean that's that's twenty actually twenty seven,

1479
01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:34.000
twenty seven. Yeah, I made
seventeen in about three years. I

1480
01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.960
had a pretty good run there in
the mid eighties. Actually, yeah you

1481
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:40.920
did. I was pretty I mean, I'll be and Roth and the one.

1482
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.079
If you're talking about guys that don't
get any credit for that era,

1483
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.000
I think Houstad underrated. But the
bowler who was probably the second or third,

1484
01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:48.680
if not the best bowler for the
years I was on tour was Wayne

1485
01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:54.640
Webb. Wayne Webb was just a
killer. You let that guy have a

1486
01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:57.840
sniff, you know. Pete was
Pete. That was pretty easy to see,

1487
01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:00.439
like the first time you see pee
bowl. Marshall was Marshall, and

1488
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:03.399
Mark was Mark Alby was by far
the best winner. We always talked about

1489
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:06.680
if one guy had to throw a
ball for your life and the only goal

1490
01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:11.159
was hitting the pocket, who would
you pick. Everybody in the eighties would

1491
01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:14.960
have picked Mike Calby, right.
He never it never looked different. He

1492
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:17.039
always hit the pocket for the money. He never gave away any titles.

1493
01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:20.279
So the most clutch guy ever roled
against, by far was Mike Alby.

1494
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:25.439
He was I lost. I think
I lost him enough on TV to h

1495
01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:27.720
I tell you this, this is
the true story. I didn't get fine

1496
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:30.800
for this. This is a true
story. Bowling the Firestone in eighty eight.

1497
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:34.880
I think I'm on the show.
I'm fifth. If all be strikes

1498
01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:39.119
on the first shot in the tenth, he's second, and if he gets

1499
01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:44.600
ninety's fourth, he's Stone nine.
I kicked the ball return because I knew

1500
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:45.479
I had to bowl in the first
match the next day, and I was

1501
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:48.279
like ohing four or five on TV
against him, So I went off.

1502
01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:51.199
When he got nine, I'd never
get He laughed so hard he left the

1503
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:54.720
Stone nine and I kicked the ball
return. I was on the next pair.

1504
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:58.199
He wasn't even bolving me because I
knew the next day he was going

1505
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.520
to send a limo to the hotel
to make sure I wasn't late to be

1506
01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:02.800
on the show, to get my
ass kicked. And the next day I

1507
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:08.079
had spare Open, Double Open.
He had the forensics and he just kept

1508
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:10.399
looking at me, shaking his head
like if I bowl you, I just

1509
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:13.199
shoot to fifty. So all we
had my number. He was the guy

1510
01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:15.760
that beat me the most. What
happened to Marshall He had a a I

1511
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:23.600
mean he had a really bad slump. That's all it was. Really Oh

1512
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:27.239
it was reactor resident guys like me
and Marshall. We were good when the

1513
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.560
balls didn't hook. Ron Palombi,
I mean we all didn't go in a

1514
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:33.479
slump the same week. That's the
serious guys. Ron Polombi, Tom Kritz,

1515
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:39.239
Deave Ferraro, myself, Tony Westlake. I mean we were all pretty

1516
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:42.720
good. Now. Then the reactor
resin came out, and all of a

1517
01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:46.319
sudden, guys that we owned,
literally owned, were beating us. Because

1518
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:49.640
I could always make my ball hook. So when I caught a reactive resin,

1519
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.039
I threw it really good, I
big ford. Then I would move

1520
01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:55.680
in and catch it and hit the
oil and I'd leave a bucket. So

1521
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:59.000
everything I knew how to do was
wrong. Then when I would miss five

1522
01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:02.159
right, think through it like shit, I would strike. So my feedback

1523
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.640
was terrible, like, oh that
was terrible. Whack just ripped it.

1524
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:09.000
I'm like, how did that not? Flat ten? That was her?

1525
01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.399
I missed it on the bottom,
so we didn't. So the reactive resin

1526
01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:16.000
you can think about Pete. He
changed his entire game. Nobody was better

1527
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.199
from out throwing it hard than Pete. What if PD come back? Nobody's

1528
01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:21.680
better at playing soft, throwing it
from the left gut or to the right

1529
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:27.279
gutter and back of the Pete he
literally changed his entire game. He should

1530
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.800
be in the Hall of Fame twice
pre reactive after reactive, the most talented

1531
01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:33.720
guy that ever lived. Pete.
Ever, EJ. Tackett's starting to make

1532
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:39.319
in rows to that thing. And
I don't need as much as EJ leads

1533
01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:43.319
week in week out. Make the
scores high, make the scores low,

1534
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:46.000
make it in, make it out. The dude just strikes. And I

1535
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:50.279
was gonna ask him every single it's
so amazing, and I was gonna ask

1536
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:54.920
you about that. Mark just looking
at him from from an analytical standpoint or

1537
01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:58.840
even a coaching standpoint, the things
he can do with the bowling ball are

1538
01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:05.520
ridiculous. The fact that he gets
five hundred plus reverie one handed. How

1539
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:10.880
how how the thing his lower body? I mean, if you watch him

1540
01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.960
hit a golf ball, there's some
similarities, but he I mean they talk

1541
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:16.239
about it in golf a lot.
If you watch EJ. He uses the

1542
01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:20.119
earth the best. He's he's driving
out of his leg up like on a

1543
01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:25.119
golf swing, he catches it max
his hand night here if you're you know,

1544
01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:28.039
if you're shooting in the sixties,
like for a month, like he

1545
01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:30.079
tells me something like, yeah,
how was August good? I did?

1546
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:31.720
Had no scores with a seven in
front? Because that mean I shot sixty

1547
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:34.760
year better, sixty nine or better
every round. If you got that kind

1548
01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:39.000
of hand eye coordination, that's kind
of like Walter. So his hand eye

1549
01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:42.479
coordination hit a golf balls off the
chart. So his ability to do things.

1550
01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:45.359
So he when I watched him bowl
and I've talked to him, he's

1551
01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:49.600
he's got such unbelievable touch and he
makes his ball kind of do the same

1552
01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:53.800
thing from the same place all the
time. So I think he just knows

1553
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.199
how to He's got about six different
ways of doing it. He can roll

1554
01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:59.319
it, he can loft it,
he can stay behind it, then he

1555
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:00.039
gets around it, then he gets
up in the air, then he really

1556
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.600
gets around it. He's very very
good at knowing which release to put on

1557
01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:08.039
it from where, And I think
he doesn't get a credit for maybe if

1558
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:11.680
Brett Speger should get the credit.
He understands how to juggle his equipment pretty

1559
01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:14.399
damn well, because there doesn't seem
to be a lot of weeks where he

1560
01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:18.119
doesn't bowl good. So I think
he's he's this era's version of Pete Webber.

1561
01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:23.319
Yeah, no, I absolutely agree
with that. And it's the best

1562
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:27.640
release I've ever seen for a long
period of time. He just keeps leading

1563
01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:30.199
tournaments. I mean, and you
know I've been in person winning with world

1564
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.239
championships. When he gets it,
it's on. I mean, it's that.

1565
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:39.640
So here's one for Reverie. How
should you measure Reverie? I got

1566
01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:42.640
Specto. I got a different take
on Reverie. So there's three numbers.

1567
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:45.760
Let's say we're gonna use EJ.
What's his reverree right around five to twenty?

1568
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:53.720
Right? Yeah? What makes EJ
special? The Spread release Spread,

1569
01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:58.319
The Spread forget the front number.
The front numbers are relevant. It's the

1570
01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:01.439
spread. It's five twenty five,
twenty five, twenty five, twenty five,

1571
01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:06.319
nineteen five, eighteen five, twenty
five, twenty. His spread is

1572
01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:11.399
tighter than anybody else in the high
revere. Because his spread is so tight,

1573
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:15.680
he magnifies the front number because that
spread so small. And he's got

1574
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:18.760
a five in front. That's unique. What does the average bowler have?

1575
01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:24.920
Four eighty four forty four to twenty
And guess what happens if EJ threw the

1576
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:27.399
shot down there and the revue went
to five sixty? What wouldes ball do?

1577
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:31.920
It probably won't shoot, That wouldn't
it. I was trying to give

1578
01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:36.000
it to these wash out It won't
hook. Oh who your revere goes up?

1579
01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:42.600
Your ball doesn't hook? Says,
I'm just using Specto numbers give I

1580
01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:45.680
give a thousand lessons a year on
Specto and everybody has a revere. It

1581
01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:48.560
doesn't really matter what the number is. If your reve rate's three forty.

1582
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:53.720
Frankie Lavoie was here at my training
center. Well, the probably the best

1583
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:57.359
session I ever had. Somebody hitting
their target three forty three sixty every shot.

1584
01:39:57.479 --> 01:39:59.600
As soon as he hit three seventy
five. He two pin or flat

1585
01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:01.960
ten every time. Wow. If
his reverie went down to three thirty,

1586
01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:06.439
he went through the nose. Interesting, that's by Specto's numbers. Okay,

1587
01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:11.479
let me hear it on. Well, do you know you were talking golf

1588
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.680
before? So is this almost like
this is going to be a reach?

1589
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:18.880
How the slower the swing speed,
if your driver is a higher loft,

1590
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:25.560
you'll actually hit it farther rather than
having a lower loft. Because I'm not

1591
01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:28.680
a very good I don't know,
because I feel like the way you're saying

1592
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.720
it is almost in conjunction with that, because because what happens when your when

1593
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:35.760
your reverie goes up, the ball
doesn't slow down, right, so you're

1594
01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:39.800
pushing it through it rather than letting
it know. I mean, every time

1595
01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:41.840
I'm here and I've had the best
in the world, I've had Chris v

1596
01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:46.520
and aj and Barnes and Stu Danielle. You know, that's when Belmo is

1597
01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:50.239
here. His revere was right at
five forty and I asked my guy that

1598
01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:53.880
was doing the Spectroo numbers, do
we had Specto turned off the film,

1599
01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.920
like how are the numbers? He
went like this, like are they that

1600
01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.560
bad? He goes, No,
they're that good. How does he get

1601
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:02.239
his break point? His revere to
match every time? So that's like that's

1602
01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.079
the first time, Like what happened? He goes and every now and then

1603
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:06.840
when the ones that come in light, his reverree goes up. We were

1604
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:11.199
just reading the numbers. We weren't
watching the ball. I'm just reading them,

1605
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:13.439
like huh, And he goes in
the one he threw, so the

1606
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:15.600
one is revere got down to like
in the five tens, he big forward,

1607
01:41:16.199 --> 01:41:19.479
Like that's completely backwards. When your
reverree goes up, the ball has

1608
01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:25.159
to hook more. That's not how
specto reads. So when you're watching tvve

1609
01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:30.640
now on watch them see who has
the best spread. At least I said

1610
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:32.600
what would have happened? Because I
said he would have overcooked it? So

1611
01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:36.520
at least that was half right.
I gonna say, is it like for

1612
01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:43.439
instance, when Chris Barnes leaves a
two pin, was he like too clean

1613
01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:48.760
at the bottom? Did his different? So he missed it on the bottom

1614
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:51.359
when he left the two pin.
When we started working together, he would

1615
01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:55.279
get forward early and then he would
come up in his in his because the

1616
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:57.600
way his grip is the way he
catches it in front of him. He

1617
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:00.279
would catch it early and it would
roll. It would get the ball to

1618
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:02.720
roll sooner, and his core would
stand up at forty feet and he would

1619
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:05.159
get it. Because Chris is so
acriate, his ball would get to the

1620
01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:08.800
spot where he wanted to hook.
But because the corps stood up early what

1621
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.600
I call corner management, and his
ball would get there and it wouldn't hook.

1622
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:14.560
So it's christ to do well.
I hit my target. I just

1623
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:16.039
stone hit my target. I'm gonna
be a little bit right. I'm gonna

1624
01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.640
make sure I catch this one.
They need big four because that one would

1625
01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:21.600
get on the lane. When the
ball lands by the foul line, bad

1626
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:25.520
things happen. If you want,
like I have a my training center,

1627
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.279
I have a Brunswick logo on one
of my lanes. When the ball hits

1628
01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:30.600
out between twenty four and thirty six
inches out, your hand has to be

1629
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.399
behind it, and the ball farther
hits out, the better you turn it.

1630
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:35.720
Later, when the balls hit down, your hand has to be on

1631
01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:39.039
top of the ball to make the
ball lamb by the foul line. So

1632
01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:41.640
if you they can imagine a ball
that's a circle, you draw an imaginary

1633
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:44.560
line north of south. If you
throw it out, the cores on if

1634
01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:45.920
you're right hand and the cores on
the right side. But if you make

1635
01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:48.640
the ball lamb by the foul line, your hand's on top. The core

1636
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:51.920
has to lay down early before you
see it, so the ball goes dead

1637
01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:55.199
left, or you get it to
your spot, but the core laid down

1638
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:59.039
on the wrong spot. There EJ. Tackett's ball, where's this cor land

1639
01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.199
best core management on? Sure?
His ball always lays down from the spot.

1640
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:05.359
That's why I'm in at the baker
box. Everybody does about because bowlers

1641
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:09.760
are trying to figure out breakpoint from
the foul line. I'm trying to figure

1642
01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.479
out breakpoint from the pin's point of
view. The pins are the same place

1643
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:15.960
every bowing center in the world how
they want to get hit. The USBC

1644
01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:19.119
did the study six degrees of entry
angle. So I'm like, Okay,

1645
01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:24.880
where does EJ. Tackett and Jason
Belmonti's ball's hook all the time. Let's

1646
01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:29.159
go the two best of all time
right now, their ball's hooked predominantly in

1647
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:31.319
the same zone. I can't make
anybody in a world bowl like either one

1648
01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:34.600
of those guys. But if I
get your ball to hook where their ball

1649
01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:41.760
hooks, the pins won't know the
difference. Now I go about a little

1650
01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:44.760
different just because I have a unique
setup and I get to see and on

1651
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.199
the strike seecret, I get to
see the ball go through the pins.

1652
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.479
So when the ball goes through the
pins, I get to watch all the

1653
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:53.039
solid tens. I get to watch
all the flat tens. I get to

1654
01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:56.239
watch all the strikes. Here's one
for you. Here's when spending too much

1655
01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:59.119
time in a training center, when
the guy's on tour, or anybody for

1656
01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:00.560
that matter. Today had a guy
the Revere at one eighty and I proved

1657
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:04.000
it. When you throw it really
really good and the ball comes off five

1658
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.960
six, seven and forty five feet
and you split the eight nine, what

1659
01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:15.359
pin falls last? I'm gonna go
with uh. When you split the eight

1660
01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:18.760
nine? What pin falls last?
That's the I'm watching on TV this weekn

1661
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.399
Now it helps that I have slow
mo. So what are your guesses?

1662
01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.399
Come on, you got three guys, I'll give you two guesses. I'm

1663
01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:29.319
gonna I have the falls last.
He's not saying which one gets last?

1664
01:44:29.399 --> 01:44:33.920
Which one ship? I'm gonna go
the other, you're close, You're you're

1665
01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:38.079
going, you're going the right way, Come closer. I'm gonna say the

1666
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:43.600
head head, then head didn't really
the head falls last. The headpinn spins,

1667
01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:46.520
the ball paralyzes in the balls going
through the pins, and then all

1668
01:44:46.560 --> 01:44:49.399
the nine pins are gone, and
then the ball goes off the deck and

1669
01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:54.960
the pin last last. Watch simonbowl
Wow all the time his headpin falls last.

1670
01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:58.199
I'm not saying it didn't move.
It's moving back. It's in the

1671
01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:00.960
it's gonna fall. I've never I
had one spin and stop yet close.

1672
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:03.800
But if you I mean, I
do it every day. People like which

1673
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:08.119
pin falls last, it's always the
head when you do it really really well,

1674
01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:10.640
because all it is is two triangles. The one, two, four,

1675
01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.680
seven, and three six ten hit
it right, they just domino each

1676
01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:15.960
other. Then the balls get ever
hit the five and there's the eight nine.

1677
01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:18.880
Those fall over and the pin.
The headpin's still there. It kind

1678
01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:20.880
of fall, it kind of goes
off where the eight pin is. It

1679
01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:25.479
spins off the deck. We see
it every day watching on TV. Happened

1680
01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:27.760
last week a couple times. I
was watching the I'm a you know,

1681
01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.880
I'm a bowling junkie. So I
was watching the uh you know the bowl

1682
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:33.800
TV see it every time. Now
I get to do it in slow motion.

1683
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:36.560
You got to train for it.
But watch when you go bow league,

1684
01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:40.199
when you when you dead nut one
son of a bitch. My headpin

1685
01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:44.600
fell last, but nobody ever looks
for that. I feel like, Hi,

1686
01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:46.960
wow, that's my mind's blown.
I thought the five chopping the ten

1687
01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:50.079
and ten would be the last one
the fall or I thought the same stuff.

1688
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:53.520
So we were here. One of
the guys, you know, my

1689
01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:56.600
my, my guy, Anthony Santos
is my project manager, went, do

1690
01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:59.920
you watch when Jason and Anthony's ball
strike foot ball pins fall lest I'm like,

1691
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:01.640
what's got to be the eight of
the nine? He goes, now

1692
01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:04.680
it's the headpin, Like maybe my
rack's bad. So I thought it was

1693
01:46:04.680 --> 01:46:08.039
my rack at my training center.
So they left, so I try to

1694
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:11.039
watch. Everybody came in. I'm
like, that's the craziest thing I've ever

1695
01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:13.880
seen. Now, it doesn't happen
every time you can hit flush and the

1696
01:46:13.880 --> 01:46:15.800
headpin goes left. But a lot
of times when you throte really good,

1697
01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:19.479
when the pins look cool, the
headpin spinning and it goes it's the last

1698
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:21.720
one to lay down is how I
should say it. I guess well,

1699
01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:25.880
no, I'm gonna watch powl TV
tomorrow and I'm gonna tell you you're gonna

1700
01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:28.359
watch. Yeah, I am,
I'm gonna I'm gonna pay attention to that.

1701
01:46:28.439 --> 01:46:30.399
That's I don't know the reason.
I'm just telling you it's a cool

1702
01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:32.720
thing to look for. All I
know is when people do that, invariably,

1703
01:46:33.079 --> 01:46:36.199
that's the shot they turn around and
say, Coach, that's the one

1704
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:40.039
I want to throw every time.
And I'm going, hey, did you

1705
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:42.439
know what pinfill last weak hes talking
about? Like, watch the one you

1706
01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.239
like the best. That's the one
common thing all all the people to come

1707
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:48.520
here, all the different styles.
So it's just a weird thing that when

1708
01:46:48.520 --> 01:46:51.159
you watch it, or the revery
thing, it's about the spread. The

1709
01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:54.319
tighter you make your spread. If
you're four twenty four, twenty four,

1710
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:57.479
twenty four, twenty, you're gonna
be a good bowler because that makes your

1711
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:00.399
ball hook and slow down at the
same place. And now bowling's all about

1712
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:02.119
getting your ball to face up in
the right place. The only way to

1713
01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:06.119
do it is have a consistent reverie. So the tighter the spread magnifies the

1714
01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:10.720
front number. Wow, you're four
seventy five, seventy five or seventy five.

1715
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:15.119
That's seventy five makes that four.
Big jacket has been able to magnify

1716
01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:18.920
that five by a spread being so
tight, and that's why you're one of

1717
01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:21.840
the best in the in the game. As far as coaching, Yeah,

1718
01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:25.479
I got a unique setup and I
just like to study. If you get

1719
01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:28.479
all this data, you've got to
do something with it. You got to

1720
01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:30.479
keep looking and trying to find different
ways to and it keeps me. I'm

1721
01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:38.840
not bored. Yeah, it really
is. It's badass, and it's thank

1722
01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:42.600
god we have somebody like you and
and people like you that give that many

1723
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:46.119
shits about the sport. It's absolutely
fantastic rob it. I mean, it's

1724
01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:49.640
all about what the bowlers. It's
all about how the bowlers react to it.

1725
01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:53.039
And they're like, wow, I
said, yeah, you you use

1726
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.479
the lane right, you threw it
correctly, the sequencing, how you're the

1727
01:47:56.520 --> 01:48:00.279
ball, you're you know the lanes, the lanes built sixty feet. The

1728
01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:03.439
first forty five feet are just accuracy. The back fifteen feet's the shape.

1729
01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:06.439
So I look at your arm from
your elbow to your fingertips of sixty feet.

1730
01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:10.680
Your form is way more important than
your hand. Your form has it

1731
01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:13.720
the front target, and your hand
hit it creates the back shape. So

1732
01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:16.680
the sequencing of your release has to
match the sequencing the lane. That's the

1733
01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:19.640
way you have good ball shape.
Everybody throws it good, nobody returns it

1734
01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:21.960
early. It says, oh I
hate that one. No, we have

1735
01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:26.119
feel. So you've got to get
that to come off your hand a sequencing

1736
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:28.960
and then when your core lays down
the right spot and goes to the pins

1737
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:31.560
the right way, that's what happens. So everybody, everybody feels the first

1738
01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:34.359
one because they want to. There's
two fields in bowling. When it comes

1739
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:36.800
off your hand, oh that's good. And then when that ball at forty

1740
01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:41.600
five feel like somebody kicked it,
that's the second field bowling, and invariably

1741
01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:44.680
that's the one you strike with.
So that's my video on the one handers

1742
01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:46.520
is all about how to create the
first feel, where to create the second

1743
01:48:46.520 --> 01:48:54.359
feel from because every great shot has
two feels. That's you know, every

1744
01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:58.439
every show we learn something new,
and it's just you've taught us many money

1745
01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.960
less it's it's amazing hot much we
don't know about the sport, and we'd

1746
01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:04.840
love to have guys like you come
on and break stuff down on a molecular

1747
01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:09.279
level, just just so you know, we can get a better understanding of

1748
01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:13.319
the sport that we love. And
every and every coach sees it completely different.

1749
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:15.800
Right, There's no two coaches that
see it the same. We all

1750
01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:18.319
we're all trying to find a way
to communicate to the people we coach to

1751
01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:21.520
get to get them better because my
job is, you know a lot of

1752
01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:24.920
times, because I do charge a
lot, Like today, I had a

1753
01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:27.079
guy came in. Guess what he
said, I get it at least three

1754
01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:30.119
times a week. You're the last. You're it. If I don't get

1755
01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:32.039
better with you, I quit,
I'm done. You charge, you know

1756
01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:36.920
you charge what you charge. I'm
fine, I got that happens every day.

1757
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:39.840
It's a big deal. Let's go. I'll have you fixed in fifteen

1758
01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:43.159
minutes. How do you know,
because that's what I do. I mean,

1759
01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:45.159
and it's I've never been I've never
been stuck. I've never like,

1760
01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:48.800
hey, here's your money back.
And there's always a reason why things don't

1761
01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:53.520
go well. There's a reason why
I guess that you know what I've never

1762
01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:56.640
had to ask a bowler to do
because I probably because I charge so much.

1763
01:49:56.880 --> 01:49:59.880
I've never had to ask a bowler
to try hard twenty five thousand lessons.

1764
01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:02.640
They all try hard. So if
you're giving you your hundred percent effort,

1765
01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:05.960
to me, that means you don't
throw bad shots. There's no such

1766
01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.560
thing as a bad shot. If
one hundred percent effort, it may not

1767
01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.720
be the right effort at the right
place, but it wasn't as bad as

1768
01:50:12.720 --> 01:50:15.720
when you don't try. If you
don't try, I'm not your coach.

1769
01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:18.600
If you're gonna wine, I'm not
your coach that way. And they're getting

1770
01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:21.720
what they paid for too. Like
if you're you're you're definitely getting what you

1771
01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:26.319
pay for. Someone charges a dollar
an hour. Clearly you're not getting the

1772
01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:28.479
best of the best. So I
mean, I guess you know in this

1773
01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:33.079
my golf swing, I'm gonna dedicate. If I'm with a golf instructor that

1774
01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:38.640
say you're caliber, I'm gonna give
them my all on every shot for sure.

1775
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:44.279
That's gotta be one of the like
like the quiet cool things about what

1776
01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:49.920
you've done with coaching is because you
know the bowlers that come to you legitimately

1777
01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:54.319
they're all every single time. But
you give me JP you work my camp.

1778
01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:58.000
Was there anybody there not into it? I mean they were. They

1779
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:01.960
were every day I got on the
microphone. That's enough, you've bowled too

1780
01:51:02.039 --> 01:51:06.760
much. Go home, go over. I've never seen a group of thirty

1781
01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:11.760
people and then they're asking me,
Hey, if we want to come back

1782
01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.039
eight o'clock, how do we get
into the to the how do we get

1783
01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:15.920
into the kingpin room? We want
to go bowl at eight o'clock? Like,

1784
01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:17.880
the people are nuts. I look
at pay for lineage. It's a

1785
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:20.840
big number. Is I know how
many games you bowlder? And this is

1786
01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:24.960
me. My average group isn't like
a bunch of twenty year olds. Now,

1787
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:28.159
the two anti camp, they were
kids. My typical typical camp.

1788
01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:31.439
The aggregate average age is forty five
sixty. They can't. They're just bowling

1789
01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:35.520
non stop all day, every day. They're fanatical. That's what's cool about

1790
01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:39.079
camp. But people like about it
is if you come to the room,

1791
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:42.359
there's thirty five other people in the
group that love bowling as much as you,

1792
01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:44.600
and you've got seven coaches that love
it as much as you do.

1793
01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:46.359
So that's kind of the cool thing
of what my camp does. But I

1794
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:48.960
get it. People try hard,
so I've never had to ask anybody to

1795
01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:51.159
try hard. So if I thought
of it that way, like if they're

1796
01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:54.840
giving me a one hundred percent effort
and they're not giving the right result,

1797
01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:57.760
that just means we're not doing the
right thing. It's not that they're throwing

1798
01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:00.399
I don't like the word bad.
You didn't throw it bad. You didn't

1799
01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:02.520
throw it the way you You didn't
get the result you wanted. Let's figure

1800
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:05.600
out where it went wrong to get
the right result. So that's a different

1801
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:08.760
way of looking at it. I
don't like saying they throw it bad because

1802
01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:12.479
they're trying so hard. That's true. You won't discourage anybody, especially when

1803
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:15.479
they're you know, put somebody down
with how you're handing you money. You're

1804
01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:21.159
telling them I'm stealing from his brain. And just in just a niety minutes,

1805
01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:29.039
we got to do around. We
got to do it around to nationals,

1806
01:52:29.159 --> 01:52:33.239
just like Gulfinger knowledge of Yes,
that's absolutely awesome. Rob book this

1807
01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:36.960
guy again. Oh guys, I'm
you know, I'm I'm I'm good at

1808
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.600
talking. I've been I've been around, I got a million of stories.

1809
01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:43.399
Not as many as your dad,
but I gotta you're good at being you.

1810
01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:45.880
Is what it is. You're definitely
good at being you. Hence the

1811
01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:50.239
the the essence of straight up five. We want like a real conversation and

1812
01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:54.920
a real personality and not I mean
whatever. You know, I get it

1813
01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:59.279
that people have to like, uh, you know, be an ambassador sometimes,

1814
01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:01.760
but even like like we're saying,
like beg, just let it loose,

1815
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:04.840
cut it loose, and it was
it was freaking wild. And that's

1816
01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:10.880
that's the idea of this show,
the seriousness that was portray clearly, but

1817
01:53:11.079 --> 01:53:14.479
uh no, it was, uh
this is this is super fun and uh

1818
01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:18.520
Jesus like I couln't even understand what
he was saying, which makes it even

1819
01:53:18.520 --> 01:53:20.880
that way. Hours, fifty minutes
just flew by, and there's so much

1820
01:53:20.960 --> 01:53:25.039
more we get into. Next time
we have you on Mark, we'll we'll

1821
01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:28.239
we'll title it story Time with Mark, because I do want to hear your

1822
01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:31.359
your stories of of your time on
the road. And that's it. We

1823
01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:33.960
we go every single one of them. I'm sorry, I keep looking on

1824
01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:36.479
They're always the same thing. I
just kind of the bar returned and got

1825
01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:42.439
my way air. I'd say something
I shouldn't say and just but I never

1826
01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:45.560
thought nothing of it, because as
mad as I got, as soon as

1827
01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:48.439
I was done bowling, I was
never upset, all right, I got

1828
01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:51.079
mad, what are you gonna do? Because in basketball, I mean I

1829
01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:55.960
was always I could get mad,
get technical foul or whatever happened, But

1830
01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:58.800
then I had to run back and
play defense. So all that anger was,

1831
01:53:58.920 --> 01:54:00.720
you know, spent somewhere else.
So by the time the quarter was

1832
01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:02.199
over, the coach like, what
were you mad about? What are you

1833
01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:05.159
talking about? I don't even know
what you're talking about. Bowling was so

1834
01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:10.159
slow for me that I had nowhere
for the energy to go. I didn't.

1835
01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.399
I didn't understand how to burn the
energy. I was way too up

1836
01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:15.199
and down. But that's you know, that's part of why I probably reis

1837
01:54:15.279 --> 01:54:17.520
why I bowl good, because I
was always in. I was always,

1838
01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:20.079
you know, I remember being done. How about bowling a lot? I

1839
01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:24.079
remember being done to the finals so
many times? Twenty four games in match

1840
01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:27.000
play. I made a run Friday
night, I get to like seventh,

1841
01:54:27.520 --> 01:54:30.600
and I looked at Houston. I'm
like, why can't we bowl twenty four

1842
01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:33.079
more? Right now? Just twenty
four games? No breaks, I'll run

1843
01:54:33.119 --> 01:54:35.840
them. I'll just I'll wear them
out. These guys aren't basketball mean,

1844
01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:39.600
especially when I was my early twenties, I played basketball. We ran and

1845
01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:42.720
we ran and we ran. I
never got tired, so I was always

1846
01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:44.560
wound up. So that was,
you know, the hard part. The

1847
01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:46.720
fines were all. I should have
got more I was. I was not.

1848
01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:50.720
I was nuts. Now, I
mean, do you find that it's

1849
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:56.199
impressive how the guys can keep their
calm and their demeanor and like, I

1850
01:54:56.239 --> 01:55:00.000
mean, you know, each personality
is different, like this may shine,

1851
01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:02.960
but I'm a little high strung myself, so I know, I know,

1852
01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:06.119
I'll let you drink that in for
a second. But no, but like

1853
01:55:06.199 --> 01:55:09.520
I mean, it does it doesn't, Steve, are you like, man,

1854
01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:13.279
how did that guy not get pissed? He just rang ten ten times

1855
01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:16.439
in a row? Like God,
he don't see him there either. But

1856
01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:19.920
if I could have, if I
could go on tour now I heard,

1857
01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:23.039
you know. I went to Sports
Iy College and my last year I was

1858
01:55:23.039 --> 01:55:25.479
actually doing early good. I think
I cashed seventeen eighteen weeks in a row.

1859
01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:29.199
I got to Sports Eye College and
she made huge in roads about why

1860
01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:33.279
I got upset and how I shouldn't
be getting upset. But then I read

1861
01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:36.359
a thing. I'm a big nick
Foaldo guy, So I was reading it

1862
01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:41.079
about Faldo, who actually had a
temper. And so his big thing was

1863
01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:43.960
he got kicked out of a tournament. His dad made him stop. So

1864
01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:45.720
he's one of the old guys.
Said, when you hit a shot,

1865
01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:50.439
no matter how good or how bad
it is, before you react, take

1866
01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:54.520
three steps. And then once you've
taken three steps, after he hit the

1867
01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:56.680
ball, if you want to get
mad, get mad. And so I

1868
01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:58.680
did that when I started. You
know, I started bowling more. When

1869
01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:00.079
I got done, I'm both my
son. So now I throw a shot

1870
01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:02.520
and I leave a ringing ten,
and I turn around and take the first

1871
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.600
three steps back on the approach.
By then I don't want to be mad.

1872
01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:10.800
So if I would have known that, because I would always react to

1873
01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:14.800
the situation, ringing ten, solidate, whatever the case may be. In

1874
01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:16.560
my I was, I was so
quick to react. If I would have

1875
01:56:16.600 --> 01:56:20.720
taken the three steps, then I
could have been closer to Dave. Dave

1876
01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:23.920
was like, this is my job. I threw it as good as I

1877
01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:27.359
could. I got nine. He
would get nine, and immediately his brain

1878
01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.000
would flip. My job is now
to make that spare. My job would

1879
01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:33.079
be the bitch and complain like I
was the only person in history of the

1880
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:36.520
solid ten. You know that kind
of stuff when you're mature. If I

1881
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:40.359
would have known how to take three
steps and focus on the next shot,

1882
01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:42.680
I think my career would have been
much better. It had been way more

1883
01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:45.680
boring. But you know, how
to save a couple thousand of fines.

1884
01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:46.840
But yeah, I wish I could
have gone back and do that different.

1885
01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:49.439
I'm not. I'm not proud of
the fact that I did that. It's

1886
01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:53.800
a good story. It costs me
a lot of money, not the fines

1887
01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:57.880
how to think. Yeah, but
you're also I won't say job career,

1888
01:56:57.880 --> 01:57:00.840
but you kept a lot of mechanics, you know, working. Yeah,

1889
01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:03.079
I never really I never really did
mean, I never did real I never

1890
01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:08.319
did real damage. I never broke
anything like that. So no vent bolts

1891
01:57:08.439 --> 01:57:12.880
or nothing like that. No like
cave. I mean, that's why I

1892
01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:15.279
would get probation with any game.
I'd be back now with any game.

1893
01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:20.399
Mark you even said your probation was
your three steps, because that was the

1894
01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:24.279
only way I knew I wouldn't go
off. Because I don't have a job.

1895
01:57:24.279 --> 01:57:28.119
I mean nice, nice mental picture
that was, Huh, if I

1896
01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:31.199
might, if I'm really in trouble, I won't get in trouble. What

1897
01:57:31.239 --> 01:57:34.439
do you mean? Hey, look
man, some people collect stamps, so

1898
01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:39.000
look, you gotta do what you
gotta do. Mark Baker, the all

1899
01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:42.199
time leading fine leader in the history
of the people. No, there were

1900
01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:45.359
guys. I just I had a
short career. I would imagine Marshall.

1901
01:57:45.439 --> 01:57:48.159
Marshall gave me a run. I
bet he did. Marshall was worth the

1902
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:53.760
price of admission. I'll tell you
what though. He was fondable, like

1903
01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:58.119
Milwaukee the boe Milwaukee got in the
first early eighties. Every day worked for

1904
01:57:58.239 --> 01:58:00.399
Miller got him for free or something. The bar it was a two sided

1905
01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:03.039
joint, and the bar a little
bits on the lanes. There was free

1906
01:58:03.039 --> 01:58:09.800
beers involved. And Marshall was such
a polarizing figure that when he would bowl

1907
01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:14.239
match play, when he would split, they would cheer. So most guys

1908
01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:17.000
would get pretty down. Not Marshall. Then the next game he'd go spare

1909
01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:20.159
six begger and he would stam at
the foul I and yell, I don't

1910
01:58:20.199 --> 01:58:25.359
hear you now? He would yell
at the crowd. Well, then you

1911
01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:28.439
had to make sure when you bowled
Marshall, they had the little hangars where

1912
01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:30.079
the coats go. You had to
make sure you kind of sat in that

1913
01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:33.039
little cubby hole, because sooner later
in every round a beer come firing out

1914
01:58:33.039 --> 01:58:35.279
of the stands. At Marshall,
you had to make sure you didn't get

1915
01:58:35.279 --> 01:58:41.760
wet Boone, Homan, Oh,
Marshall, Marshall, Pete, maybe Tackett,

1916
01:58:42.039 --> 01:58:45.279
Belmont, Simo combined. Those are
the guys Roth in his prime.

1917
01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:49.279
I would have paid money to come
watch Marshall. I paid money to watch

1918
01:58:49.319 --> 01:58:53.319
Mark Roth winning. I watched him
winning Norwalk. The most cool thing I

1919
01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:56.199
ever saw in my life was Mark
was Mark Roth winning it in Norwalk for

1920
01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:58.600
three titles in a row. That's
what got me into being a pro bowler.

1921
01:58:58.840 --> 01:59:01.760
Wow. I paid money to watch
these guys both with two bays.

1922
01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:08.039
Norwalk has that funky fust, lays
this way in the lanes this way,

1923
01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:12.600
and Mark hold. He bowled a
legend from southern California named Bobby Fleegman for

1924
01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:15.880
the title and Mark Mark was up
by one pin. There were no TV

1925
01:59:16.000 --> 01:59:18.720
shows. Mark's on the left flane. They get their four warm up balls

1926
01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:21.520
in each lane, and he has
to finish on the right lane all four

1927
01:59:21.560 --> 01:59:24.840
shots and warm up miss the pocket. All four shots in the game miss

1928
01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:28.199
the pocket, strikes every shot on
the left lane. Fleegman needs a double

1929
01:59:28.199 --> 01:59:30.960
to shut him out. I think
I'm not quite hazy. Larry Gray would

1930
01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.840
know. I think Bobby got the
first one, let the ten pin and

1931
01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:34.600
made it, and he thought he
thought he won it to twenty one,

1932
01:59:34.640 --> 01:59:38.800
but he shut you twenty. So
Mark hasn't struck on the right lane and

1933
01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.800
warm up more of the game.
Now he needs three in the tenth to

1934
01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:45.319
shoot you twenty to tie the game. He's ahead by a pin to win.

1935
01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:48.560
He hasn't been close. He threw
three of the fastest shots I've ever

1936
01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:53.439
seen thrown, and they each kip
going farther than the lane and going faster,

1937
01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:56.239
And he just threw three shots,
a real flush, and the whole

1938
01:59:56.319 --> 02:00:00.640
crowd just stopped talking. Oh and
then the roof came him off standing ovation

1939
02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:04.159
I came home my mom, like, forget basketball, I just saw.

1940
02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:09.159
I just saw the coolest thing in
sports to this day I've ever seen was

1941
02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:12.319
Mark Roth throwing three in the tenth
and Nora walk to beat Bobby Fleiegmann.

1942
02:00:13.079 --> 02:00:16.039
So that will always be mind.
It's that moment, man, it's that

1943
02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:21.079
moment. It's it's fun that you
have that moment. So Rob taking away,

1944
02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:24.920
But the last question for me,
did you ever expect somebody to throw

1945
02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:30.439
a gutter ball against you to lose? Never thought? I mean, Bob

1946
02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:32.880
was hooking the ga, he was
playing the gutter he was. He was

1947
02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:35.800
hanging it on one too. Did
he missed by one? Yeah? I

1948
02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:39.119
mean he came out I had that
match one and he you know, he

1949
02:00:39.159 --> 02:00:41.479
had three in the tenth to make
me mark, but he was he was

1950
02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:44.239
pretty much hanging it on one too. That one. He I think he

1951
02:00:44.399 --> 02:00:46.920
just you know, Bob, Bob
didn't miss it at all. He pulled

1952
02:00:46.960 --> 02:00:49.840
the holes out of that one.
And he came up just a little early

1953
02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:53.159
now that I watch the tape,
right, he just got right aboard,

1954
02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:55.600
not any different when del through it, and they're just you know, when

1955
02:00:55.640 --> 02:01:00.800
you're playing one and you missed by
one, it's a bad result. Bob

1956
02:01:00.880 --> 02:01:02.520
I was more yeah that he just
piped it in there, and it was

1957
02:01:02.560 --> 02:01:04.880
like it took me a while to
figure I'm like, I just I just

1958
02:01:05.039 --> 02:01:08.760
was too much of a kid.
Like so he picks us up and he

1959
02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:12.319
strikes. He shoots one ninety.
I'm shooting two twenty clean. Oh my

1960
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:14.399
god, I've won. I kept
doing the math, and the math kept

1961
02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:16.359
coming out way too good. The
math kept coming out on my side.

1962
02:01:16.359 --> 02:01:18.760
I'm like, wait a minute,
they're gonna give him shot over. I'm

1963
02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:21.159
doing this in my head like and
then I'm like, oh god, I

1964
02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:26.239
won. And then the nice part
when the show was over the first person

1965
02:01:26.319 --> 02:01:30.399
after Bob to congratulate me was Don
Carter. Hey, kid, congratulations,

1966
02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:32.479
I'm glad you won your first dial
at my house. Kind of hard to

1967
02:01:32.479 --> 02:01:38.000
beat that Don Carter class act.
Great guy. Always asks us how do

1968
02:01:38.039 --> 02:01:40.840
he make the ball hook so much? My ball never hooked. Yeah,

1969
02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:44.359
you don't worry about it, Don, It worked out okay for you?

1970
02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:47.000
It worked out okay, Don,
I've seen your house. I see,

1971
02:01:47.079 --> 02:01:50.920
yeah, you're okay. But he
was always he was one of the older

1972
02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:55.399
guys that really liked how the younger
guy's bold. Don couldn't have been a

1973
02:01:55.479 --> 02:01:58.279
nicer man. I got lucky.
I hang out with Dick Weber, I

1974
02:01:58.359 --> 02:02:00.800
hung out with Earl I hung out
with Don car These are the who's who

1975
02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:04.319
bullying. They were all great guys. They really really were. Now I

1976
02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:08.960
think like Norm Duke has turned into
the the Dick Weber of this generation.

1977
02:02:09.600 --> 02:02:13.680
Yeah, agreed. Yeah, and
he's got that much game. He earned

1978
02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:16.760
our re accolade he's ever got And
Norm's just a good man, right absolutely.

1979
02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:21.840
Earl was my he was my idol
growing up as a lefty. So

1980
02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:26.119
uh, I'd like to hear some
Earl's stories. That's some we have you

1981
02:02:26.199 --> 02:02:29.159
on. But anything you want to
plug Mark, I know, I put

1982
02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:30.920
the the link video would be great, guys. It's it's you know,

1983
02:02:30.960 --> 02:02:33.800
it's doing very well. It's you
know, if you give it there's a

1984
02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:36.479
little preview if you give it a
chance. I know, in this day

1985
02:02:36.520 --> 02:02:40.800
of free of YouTube, it cost
a few bucks, but a lot went

1986
02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:43.680
into making this. This was a
year of my life. The two ended

1987
02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:45.119
thing, especially for any two enters
out there where there's not a lot there.

1988
02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:48.920
I mean, Jason Bellmaney is the
best two enter ever lived. He

1989
02:02:49.279 --> 02:02:54.000
he he started. All his fundamentals
are sound. If you start bowling like

1990
02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.079
Jason Belmany, you're going to be
a really good bowler. And the one

1991
02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:00.039
handed one, I mean I did
it for this. It's six minutes,

1992
02:03:00.079 --> 02:03:02.840
it's free. He just can click
on and watch a senior section. But

1993
02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:08.239
Dave houstd that's that's gotten great results. And then Danielle and Chris and Dave

1994
02:03:08.279 --> 02:03:10.439
together on the one handed. Like
I said, I tried to convince some

1995
02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:13.520
new terms, try to explain how
to create those two feels a little different.

1996
02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:16.159
So I think both videos are unique
in each other. And Curtis von

1997
02:03:16.239 --> 02:03:19.640
Krueger did the editing and Anthony Santos
help me with it. We put our,

1998
02:03:19.760 --> 02:03:21.960
we put our, we put a
lot of effort into this. The

1999
02:03:23.079 --> 02:03:26.560
pros couldn't have been better, from
Jason and Anthony to Danielle. The pros

2000
02:03:26.600 --> 02:03:30.000
were magnificent for two days. They
were all on top of it, professional,

2001
02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:33.600
beautifully done. So I'm very proud
of the of the project. And

2002
02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:36.560
if you want to take a look, I appreciate it. I put the

2003
02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:42.239
link in the chat on YouTube and
Facebook and you can go to Vimeo and

2004
02:03:42.600 --> 02:03:46.600
look up the games changed by Mark
Baker. Also go to Mark Baker Bowling

2005
02:03:46.720 --> 02:03:51.359
dot com learn more about Camp Bakes
And yeah, we appreciate you having on

2006
02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:56.159
here, Mark. Fantastic stories and
some great lessons that you gave us.

2007
02:03:57.079 --> 02:03:59.600
Just shows how good you are and
how much you love the sport. Watch

2008
02:03:59.640 --> 02:04:02.479
those right that hipin falls last We're
gonna watch. We're definitely gonna watch.

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Right there, Mark is also watching
Simon. You'll see it a lot.

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Mark was also gracious enough he's gonna
give us a free code for his lesson

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on Vimeo for either a one hander
or two hander. Uh any anybody that

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was here in the chat tonight on
YouTube or Facebook or eligible, Johnny will

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pick the winner tomorrow. We'll send
you a message with the code and let

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you know you one. So we
do appreciate you very very kind of you

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to do that. All right,
guys, all right, have a great

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night. Mark, thanks for coming
on to the show, and we'll talk

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to you soon. Thank you,
Thanks Mark a great Thanks. Bro.

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Wow, isn't it crazy to talk
to that kind of a coach and like

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like everybody knows what to say,
what not to say, but the fact

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that he goes out of his way
to enter somebody else's world every single time

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he steps up there twenty five hundred
however many times a year he says he

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doesn't or it's that is we need
like at least fifty more people like that'll

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02:05:14.319 --> 02:05:17.479
save the sports, that'll save the
skills just great. And even like the

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comments now after after two small hours, you know, everybody wanting to that.

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That that just it's why Mark Baker
is who he is. That that's

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all there is doing. I never
have any you know, hopes of how

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the show is going to go whenever
we have somebody on and talk to somebody's

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the first time. But it's just
another banger dude. Every gets we have

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on the show. It just shows
you the quality of people not only that

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you're associated with, are associated with
the sport of bowling, and Mark is

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one of those, and every show
just they're all just real people, dude,

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just like you, me and everybody
watching. Like he was so constant,

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like and when you know your ship
with it's literally like talking to Tiger's

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caddy. It's like it's it's you're
you're talking to somebody who is literally the

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guy that the best in the world
go to for help. I've been thinking

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about that. I mean, just
that in itself is crazy, Like they

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go to this guy for help and
they pay a good amount of money,

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which he said, He's like,
I'm not gonna why am I gonna charge

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a little bit? He's not people
wasn't saying he charged. He's and that's

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because he's the best at it.
He's like the real Tomato ketchup. He's

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the real to nothing but the best, to nothing but the best. Rob.

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What's my Twitter? That doesn't do? You want a good job?

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02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:39.359
I do? No, No,
I have somebody things peace you get if

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you want to follow us on X
or Twitter, whatever you want to call

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02:06:42.319 --> 02:06:45.880
it. Now you could follow me
at rad rob Gaming. Doctor Ocho is

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the d R o Cho and Johnny
Jr. Is at j P j R

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zero seven. You can also because
my arms are better. They did they

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fantastic? Johnny. I had a
chance. He's the product yet, yes

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I did. He's not at Liberty. All I did was I used the

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crop preserver just to see if,
if you know, my balls reacted the

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wrong way, and they didn't.
And they I think they smell nice.

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02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:17.920
You know, it's it's a step
in the right direction. Smell. He

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has. He hasn't been yoga.
He hasn't done yoga enough to get that

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02:07:23.239 --> 02:07:29.439
kind of flexibility. So what's d
DP yoga kicks in and remember March.

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The week of March third will be
announcing the winner of the free bowling ball

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courtesy of your purchases at uh Manscape
using the code for straight up five,

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which is straight up there it is
blow your screen off your balls for the

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team. Let us know what his
ball smell like. Oh, Baxter,

2059
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we wrap it up. I'm gonna
drive an hour homes man. That sucks,

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02:07:55.520 --> 02:07:57.960
all right, guys, thanks for
joining us tonight. Thanks again to

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Mark Baker for having him on.
We're gonna have him on in the future.

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02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:07.239
Scratch and Sniff. I love Mike
McGlenn. He always he always lights

2063
02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:11.520
up the room. Ken Schneiders,
thank you very much. Thank you,

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02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:13.000
thank you, thank you, Thank
you. Chuck. No Impissole the Week.

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02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:16.880
This week, our show went a
little bit too long, and we'll

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have plenty to do next week.
I think we we're gonna have three candidates

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02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:24.520
for the Empissole of the Week next
week. Thank you. Now, Troy

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a resident US Champion. Thanks Troy. Yeah, we got to get a

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shirt. Just fuck docs them.
We'll be back next week guys for episode

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what we Do one O six And
we still have a lot to talk about

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02:08:41.319 --> 02:08:45.960
in the world of the PBA.
Right now. Uh, there's actually something

2072
02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:50.359
I want to get into A report
by wriggles today of how horrible Bullerro is

2073
02:08:50.479 --> 02:08:54.159
at promoting anything. Uh and and
oh hold on, hold on, wait,

2074
02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:58.159
wait, wait before we go,
before we go, hold on,

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02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:01.600
where's my picture? I want to
show you something. I want to show

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02:09:01.680 --> 02:09:07.640
Mark this, but I completely forgot. Uh hang on, is you eating

2077
02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:15.920
Popeyes with like Louisiana Cat? Such
an asshole? O Joe? Here.

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02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:20.720
I want to look at Mark Baker
stats on PBA dot com. Nothing.

2079
02:09:20.359 --> 02:09:24.560
Apparently he's sixty two and he's a
right hander. That's that's all that's reported.

2080
02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:30.600
He did well, he did say
he wond so they probably took that

2081
02:09:30.680 --> 02:09:35.720
picture in nineteen eighty two and kept
it. He literally had probably show that's

2082
02:09:35.760 --> 02:09:37.039
a good point, that's a very
good point. But they won't show his

2083
02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:41.479
face. That's yeah, he'd be
a lot wider, he'd be more,

2084
02:09:41.479 --> 02:09:43.920
a little more lower tapered, a
little more like more like you know,

2085
02:09:43.079 --> 02:09:46.399
ej. But anyway, all right, come on, I gotta drive home.

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02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.000
All we got to go, guys, we'll see next week. Thanks

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02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:52.279
for being here. Good Night,
everybody, Fuck you, Doc Sullivan,

2088
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:54.640
tank you, Mark Baker. Good
night, everybody, see a peaks,

2089
02:09:54.800 --> 02:10:01.840
see a balls route, good night. Thanks for listening to this edition of

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Straight Up Five with Johnny Petreklia Junior. You can follow the show on Twitter

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02:10:09.760 --> 02:10:15.920
at straight Up five Pod, Follow
Johnny Junior at jp j R zero seven,

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Follow rad Rob at Rad Rob Gaming, and follow Doctor Ocho at d

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02:10:20.680 --> 02:10:26.199
D r oho. Got a question
for Johnny, Send your questions to Straight

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02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:30.920
Up five Podcast at gmail dot com. We'll see you next time for another

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edition of Straight Up five with Johnny
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Rob Radio Network