What Up Everyone, Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. Thank you
Omi for resubscribing. We are here to discuss episodes. I'm going off the
top of my dome here, but I believe it was seventeen to thirty three.
I think those are BacT ones, and we are going to discuss pretty
much the majority of the Baby saga, and then we're going to finish the
Baby saga and cover all of I believe it's called Super Android seventeen saga after
that, and then we have one more which is I think the most hype
one, which is the final Saga, and then that's it for Dragon Ball
GT. Not a long series, but definitely a memorable one and one that
whether you love it or hate it, you know it's infamous. Everybody knows
that. Everybody references it. What Up phase ape, whether in good or
bad contexts. So let's just start it off ray. How are you feeling
about Dragon Ball GT? Now? Was did you like the direction it went
compared to the first season? Absolutely? Yeah, I am. I was
pleasantly surprised with the direction it went. And obviously we get the continuation of
the previous story that was happening with Euro but this whole thing with Baby was
pretty interesting. I don't think we've gotten anything similar to it at all in
Dragon Ball, Like maybe Captain Genu was the closest. It's interesting. Yeah,
there's funny. We have a we have a chatter called Ray of Tempests.
So it's like it's it might be one of your fan boys. Probably
not, but might might be one of your fan boys. No, I'm
excited hopefully it is. But yeah, I mean I like the direction that
it went, and that whole situation with baby's really interesting. So yeah,
we'll talk about it. Yeah, and you know what's interesting about it too,
is that it seems to be it seems to be related to some stuff
I've seen in super So it's interesting how I feel like Super redid some stuff
um that GT did, but maybe in a different way. Thank you Phase
Ape for the one hundred bits says Goku is my favorite monkey. Yeah that's
that sounds like some Freezer would say right there. Yeah, theting the baby
stuff. Also there's a bit of the of the mogin vegeta from Dragon Ball
Z right, because it's not the same because it's not really vegeta, it's
just Baby taking it over. But I kind of had those vibes of like
a badass vegeta villain again was brought back right, Um, and yeah,
I liked the fact that now we're reaching new levels of power compared to Dragon
Ball Z, which is I think one of the things we were both noticing
in the previous arc where you sort of they weren't really progressing or anything.
Right, it was just like, all right, let's go Super to beat
this guy. Let's think somehow to beat this other guy. And he never
even had to go Super stand three. Yeah, the power of scaling was
really off, and you spoke about how in Dragon Ball Z, I shouldn't
be even Super, shouldn't be too focused on power scaling, but this one
is very obviously GT is very weird when it comes to power scaling. But
um, like even um the General General Willdoor whatever his name is, like
they said he's more powerful than maj and Boo and it's just like that's just
so weird because that's not that is not true. Yeah, exactly, so,
No, it's weird how they decide that just a way to hype up
that character. And I wonder what's kind of stuff because we watched them dubs
so I wonder what kind of stuff is like pretty much specific to the dub
or if they're actually signing this sub But that's one of the reasons why this
Probably that's one of the reasons that this isn't canon, because they might just
say stuff like that, like, Yo, this dude is stronger than Boo.
Let me beat him as a super Scianum and the kids. So yeah,
that's that's bullshit. But then we get some interesting baby stuff, baby
progressing forcing Goku to get the Golden Zaro or Golden Great ape form, which
we'll get to. That's pretty much where we stopped off when he turned into
the Golden ape And yeah, actually this had a lot of end of Dragon
Ball Z Boo Saga vibes to me, because you have Boo brought back,
right, you have Goku training with the Elder Kai instead of Gohan with the
way Gohan got Ultimate Um Ultimate became Ultimate Gohan. So yeah, now they're
bringing back When we were saying it almost felt a bit like they were trying
to redo Dragon Ball First Dark but in space with the with the previous arc.
This time now it feels like we're getting into the Dragon Ball Z territory.
Again, Yeah, I totally got the I just want to say thank
you Dpeach for the raid. We were talking about Dragon Ball GT the baby
saga for everyone, But yeah, totally got that change of tone. We
were talking about last week how beginning of GT seemed very dragon Ball asked if
they go into their ventures, they try to find the dragon Balls. The
dragon Balls in these episodes were a lot less important like finding them, and
it was more about, like you mentioned, the fights, like more stronger
antagonists and more at stake. I would I feel so, um, Yeah,
I totally got that change in tone where it was more Z like,
Like you mentioned the training. Even the training in this one was kind of
weird with the tail, but it was still training nonetheless. So yeah,
yeah, so there is that with the Dragon Ball GT. Um. But
at the same time, I feel like the Gohan becoming Ultimate Gohan was also
weird, right remembered the Elder Kai just dancing around him. So it's not
something new to GT because Z does it. But you're right, it was
weird as fuck, whether you're just pulling his pulling his tail. By the
way, what up Ultimate Cell in the chat? Yeah, So I just
I thought that was interesting It was interesting when he pulls down his pants too,
and you don't know for sure, like he's refercing the tail and he
has this kind of sprout, the skin sprouts douse. It didn't even look
at like a tail at first. Right by the way, I apologize now,
thank you for the donation. Yeah, no, I think, Um,
definitely, it was weird, but not so weird that I could you
know, it felt similar to how weird it was when Elder Kai created Ultimate
go On for sure. So yeah, at the beginning of this whole thing,
we wrap up that story where they're on the other planet. We talked
about doctor mu Um being that antagonist and like scientists and um like that whole
thing. He looked like doctor Jiro again another nod to drive a ball z.
But then it turns out he was created by baby to create baby or
whatever. Yeah, I know it. So it seemed just so unnecessary in
the story to come up with that weird kind of history. Yeah, yeah,
that was that was interesting. But m Yeah, and the thing I
was talking about, which is super actually did was with the whole you killed
my race, the sayings killed my race. I'm gonna get revenge because we
had that with Baby and if you remember, we also had that with Granola,
right, yeah, And I'm pretty sure I don't know if it was
because what's babies people? Like, what are they called again? Babies people
that I don't I don't know what off the top of my head, I
will say like, like, yes, a fertile. So I'm pretty sure
they were one of the people in the reference in Super when it came to
like the universe fight as, I looked them up, and I'm pretty sure
they were referenced in Super. Oh nice, bro, I love it when
you look stuff up. I'm just like, that sounds familiar. That's pretty
sure Tough were referenced in Super. So it's interesting how they build off of
this GT idea into Super and they're like, yeah, we'll keep like this
race the civilization, yeah, like adopted. Yeah deep Deepeach is right,
she says um or Deepeach says toughl parasites um and phase. Thank you for
the sub Yeah. So I think it's an interesting idea, right. I
do think it was kind of because I assumed it would have to be in
one body and it was kind of cheap. How even if let's say they
pick specifically Vegita's body because he's a strongest, you could still control everybody else.
Like that was kind of like cheap, you know what I mean?
How to fuck that this race die out if you could do that? Yeah?
Is that what their technique was though? Or was it just specifically?
I don't know. I don't know how much we're given. But Baller in
the chat says Baby is one of his or one of their favorite villains in
the entire Dragon ball So yeah, that's an interesting that's a big thing,
and I think we both agree that Baby has to be the best villain so
far. To be fair, the bar is low and the other ones just
sucked, like they didn't suck, but like they weren't interesting and they kind
of sucked. But Baby is the first one where it's like, okay,
taking over Vegeta, Okay, coming back, okay, attaining new power,
crazy vegeta, white haired form, pushing Goku to go beyond stronger than he's
ever been before, even as an adult. It's interesting stuff, and you
gotta think you reference how it reminded you of masin Vegeta. Do you think
the writers were kind of like, hey, like obviously mash and vegeta was
like it got a lot of fan hype. It wasn't really drawn out that
much either, Like he wasn't predominant character in that art because he obviously self
destruct. So where they're like, hey, let's kind of piggyback off that
idea and make it so it's obviously different. We can't do the same thing
where they harness like their evil energy within. It's got to be something different.
But I should just start making it so like it's the protagonist fighting other
characters who are in the like within the what's the word Z clans, that's
not the right word fighters? What are they called Z fighters? Yo,
Phase, Thank you so much for the donations today, another two hundred bits.
My favorite villain is the virus that kills Goku. Yeah, that that
villain. That's that's the crazy shit like because that was a bit too real,
right, and they worked around it, which is a bit of a
tangent, but just yeah, imagine all the fighting, he goes through,
all the strong opponents and then a fucking virus kills him, you know what
you're referring back to the yah, Yeah, so I mean that was like
a bunch of real life shit. Which obviously, because it's a shown then
they're not gonna stick with that. They're gonna save Goku. But yeah,
I'm just thinking about like this great martial artist who put in so much work,
beating all the best opponents and then just you know, gets a heart
virus so to speak, or something like that, and just that kills him.
Right, So yeah, that to that part got really real. What
you be go ahead, I was gonna say, I got kind of virus
vibes as well. It's obviously not a virus, but the way Baby he
says, he kind of like implants like his cell within these people and then
remember like trunks Um and even I think goes in at one point like they
turned back to normal, but then eventually, like the cells multiple and then
they're eventually fully taken over. So I did get like Baby wasn't a sense
like this viral specimen who you know, basically implanted his cell within these characters
and then was able to gain control once the virus has multiplied. So that
was that was another interesting kind of It's definitely creative, but I mean I
think it works because if anyone's gonna be op and makes sense for it to
be the villain and then you have to overcome it. And yeah, the
whole time I was thinking, wow, Baby's powers are insane. Obviously you
have the Ube fighting him like surprisingly long, so clearly he wasn't that op.
But um still, he looked like he killed our main character. And
did you see like I don't know if I dozed off or something, but
did you understand how he went from being like hit by that negative spear bomb,
right, which is which is pretty much what it was that baby the
data throws. Yeah, yeah, baby baby machina sounds funny, Yeah,
the one that baby throws. Like, how did he end up in that
game reality? I'm pretty sure doesn't someone end up like grabbing him at the
last minute. It's I think it's the Kai, one of the Kais grabs
him to save him, but then drops him in this other reality. Yeah,
it was very confusing. I had to look it up, like the
dude died and then go to a game show territory. I don't think he
died. I think he like he was saved at the last second, but
then he ended up getting dropped within this reality by this other kind of reality
by accent, which was like purgatory right, Yeah, Shadow Swing, thank
you for the re sub and how to Arcanine says, I like that Ube
was given a decent power level in GT, and yeah, that that definitely
stood out right. And the whole idea of Ub fusing with Magin Boo with
with Fat Boo, I guess is very interesting, right. I don't know
if they'll ever feel the need to bring that back in Dragon Ball Super.
But I didn't think that that would be such an interesting part in Dragon Ball
GT. But I do like that. I'd liked that we saw Ube and
I liked that he got to transform into his final form and became, as
he said, stronger than he ever thought he could by fusing with a fat
Boo again. Yeah, and it was a good fight. I think I
would have liked him to be a little bit more hyped up, though,
like because I'll be honest with when Ube came in, I kind of thought,
oh, like, I know Ube was out there, but I wasn't
expecting him to commence. It was a nice little surprise. But he did
like struggle in that fight. It wasn't you know he It was back and
forth, and I would have liked I loved the whole thing when Trunks comes
in with Freezer, and I'm not saying he has to like full out defeat
Baby, but it would have been cool to have him come in and just
you know, clean the floor with him for a bit and like just be
super super badass. But it was more of an even fight at first,
and then obviously Baby gets the better of him. But yeah, it was
cool to see him. And then that whole situation, like you said,
with boof using was interesting as well. So yeah, because at this point
we have I'm just trying to track everything, so we have basically almost everyone
on Earth is under Baby's like possession. Right, there's besides Pan Hercule and
yeah, yeah, so except a few people. That was the implication.
And it's interesting because they're doing all this stuff Goku does in previous things like
getting energy from everybody, and they just pull it off in like an evil
way. So he's absorbing energy from the good guys Z fighters plus the whole
planet. He could do that an evil speerit bomb thing. By the way,
I just want to say deep Peach did say that was just a fact
check. We go back when he was supposedly died. Dpeach says that was
Sugoro and his son he like accidentally went into that dimension. So yeah,
and then they broke out of it, which was interesting, right, breaking
out of that dimension, and then the Kai Supreme Kai Fusion came to save
him. I don't know. That whole situation. I felt was a little
bit drawn up. It was weird. It was like filler, except it's
all filler because there's an a manga, but it was very filler. It's
like, what are you I remember seeing this part on TV way back in
the day, and I was so confused. I'm like, why is he
participating in a game show? Yeah? I didn't even It was just weird,
and it it lent this image of gt just being a very weird thing
in my mind for a long time, because I didn't remember these other parts
of the arc, which have their highlights for sure. But so I might
have not watched that because I'm like a Dragon Ball virgin in this case too.
But I do remember that game show. I caught that episode on TV,
and it's just it's so weird, Like how is Goku instead of fighting
people, just participating in a game show? Yeah? And kind of on
that same topic, I mean, this is a little bit earlier on you
talked about how it was just a weird kind of transition having him fall into
that realm, and it's not really like fully explained. Did you catch the
full explanation of we were talking about Giro and how it seemed like he betrayed
them beforehand and then it ended up like he had this plan the whole time
with Trunks, Like, yeah, did you find that whole explanation kind of
very fast and very Yeah, not really explained why I just accepted it,
but but yeah, it was kind of like all of a sudden, which,
to be fair, I mean, you don't want it to be predictable
either, right, and their defense, but yeah, it was kind of
like Trunks was in on the whole time. We had a fake Trunks,
Like, yeah, it was interesting how they chose not to tell anybody else
though exactly. I gotta know, it's just like you said, you gotta
just accept it. But it's just it was funny how they just came up
with that idea, and the og Zecon appeared in the chat saying wait,
you're doing GT. Yes, And you can check back on the Dragonball Version
podcast to actually catch the first episode of GT Virgin where we actually covered the
first arc, but I'm preferring this and ray as two. We're getting into
the baby saga now, and it's just much more of what we come to
expect from Dragon Ball, with maybe not the same standard because you know,
it's not even cannon, but still a bunch of cool highlight moments. Yeah,
including we haven't mentioned this yet, but obviously GT was all about fighting
the dragon Balls in order for Goku to be I'm an adult, which has
kind of pissed me off. To become an adult. Interesting, go ahead.
But when they finally get them and they're like, yeah, let's just
you know, keep them with us, don't make the wish right away,
Who's kind of like, yeah, I could be a kid. And then
they end up giving them just so nonchalantly to this really sketchy acting Dande,
who right away you're thinking of this is baby and yeah, but to be
fair, how well did they know DNDE or care? But yeah, I
know you're right that he did make some mistakes to like point it to the
audience that it's not the real hymn. Yeah, so I don't know.
It was just kind of weird how they went on this huge epic adventure to
find the dragon Balls, and they don't even use them at first, they
hand them over, and then obviously now they're wasted in the sense of they've
been used by Baby to create his own planet and like restore his planet,
and now they've just been spashal o the universe. Then you think to yourself,
is this going to be something where after this whole situation with babies over,
they're gonna have to just go back and find them again. Is it
gonna gonna be like Z where the whole adventure is not really going to be
Coverage's gonna be them finding the dragon Balls? Who knows? Yeah? No,
I I feel like we have like just I don't think it's a spoiler,
but just looking at the arc titles, I think we're gonna have pretty
also villain focused stuff because I'm not sure for everyone still wondering, like I've
seen parts, but I'm not sure how this is going to go down.
I haven't seen the whole thing. I know some highlights, I like Goku's
Goku's power ups and stuff like that. I know about that, But I
do know that based on the saga names, there's gonna be more big villains
focus. So I think it's gonna be from here on out like this Dragon
ball z who's the next big villain and Goku powering up to beat them.
I think that'll be how we go from here. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean we'll see. I admit, like Baby is definitely a step up
of course other antagonists that we've seen in drawing ball GT for sure, and
like we said, like um, like was mentioned to chat for some people,
it's a favorite. By the way, Sam, what up? Thank
you for the re sub thirty three months the mad lad almost coming up on
three years being subscribed to the rank up a twitch channel. Boy. Yeah,
um, there were some like I don't know what you would describe them,
but some interesting moments where you had when Baby was taking over the bodies
of say like Gohan and go ten. Just it was interesting to see the
reaction with their family when they go back, like Go ten kind of pushing
his mother aside. Yeah, almost uncomfortable for me. I was like,
yeah, I was like, I don't like seeing Chee chee tree like that.
And it's it's weird because it almost has horror story vibes where you know,
like aliens takeover people and it's that surreal kind of experience where you when
you see Boma being rude to Trunks or Chee Chee or the Dell being rude
to Pan, it's just so unnatural that it's it's freaky, Like I can
see why that's a trope often used in h scary movies, because it's like
they look the same but they're actually like completely different and evil, and it
just feels off. There's that uncanny feeling. So I think they did that
well. Yeah, and there was one other moment I was going to mention
where this was obviously oh under the kind of spell of baby, but he
ends up taking Pan and like strangling her, and it just left me feeling
so so weird about Yeah, what the fuck? No, for sure,
and like Zekin says, and we mentioned it's cool that Baby has a connection
to the science, so there's a reason for the hatred um and the dragon
Ball Super definitely you know, did it different, but brought that in with
Granola as well. And yeah, I like that saying building on saying history
stuff, and this is very much going back to the saying stuff and Dragon
Ball Super does it in a different way, different direction. But again here
we're doing a focus on the tail, which before it's like dragon ball Z,
we don't need it. Now Elder Kai is like, okay, let's
bring that tail out for you to achieve this new power. And so it's
the Golden Ape. But who knows what happens after that. Now, Ray,
I want to ask you, just off of the intro to this part
of the arc, did you see any crazy things that stood out to you?
Or were you not paying attention to the intro? The intro? Like,
what do you mean the opening song? The old Yeah, like just
the opening song? You know how every episode has has the opening song playing.
Because the streaming thing I was watching it off of actually skipped the theme.
I went, okay, so perfect, all right, good because there
are some spoilers and I was like, I do not want to see this
or Ray to see this before it actually happens. So that's perfect that you
didn't see the the intro to these to this arc in its episode. I'll
try to avoid it frothing. No, yeah, avoid it to use whatever
you've been using because there's a big thing coming up, and um, I
don't want you to be spoiled for it. That's weird. Why would they
do that. How would they include spoilers in theme? I don't know,
like maybe to build up the hype, but at the same time for our
purposes, for the Dragon Ball Virgin purposes. I just want you to be
surprised when it happens. So that's that's why I don't want you to see
it. It wouldn't like ruin your day if you saw it. But just
I do want the initial wow factor to h to be captured on the episode.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean we'll see, um,
we'll see what happens. I thought as well, we were talking about seeing
different characters within this show. It was funny to see Krillan and just how
much of a maybe, how much of a Yeah, he's so old,
Like what the fuck? Because andro at looking good man. She doesn't look
and she doesn't look like exchanged a bit, which is you know, could
be just part of her nature. Yeah, um, but which good for
Krillin, you know, like he'll be an old man and she'll be looking
fine. She has best girl. But holy crap, they aged him like
card and they made him such a pushover. He looks like a grandpa,
not a dad. Like a grandpa. He's trying to get into line like
the line there, and they cut him off and then he ends up going
like back there and she's just so over him, like she's kind of like,
oh, this guy's pathetic. It was kind of sad to see because
we were talking about how the relationship even in Super remember the relationship is so
good there. Yeah, yeah, they end up supporting each other and now
I like it. She's mean sometimes, but at the end of the day,
like you know, she's got his back and you know, yeah,
I just it's a great relationship. Um, but yeah, you don't want
to see her being too mean to him, you know. Yeah, But
it's interesting to see him because he's been completely like invisible so far, and
even like other people like Yeah and Tienne, we haven't seen them at all,
even though they're not that relevant, but they come into play within Super
like even a little bit of Tien was one of the wasn't he one of
the fighters that go with him? Yeah? So yeahm cha, don't I
think actually I want to say Yamcha No, no, Yamcha doesn't, but
Tiana does. Yeah, So it's interesting they just accepted the yamtra narrative that
he's like useless. But he's gonna base ball though, which is good.
There you go. I do want to say, um Zecond said something which
I thought was funny. Um he said, here's a question, though,
did Baby bang Boma? And they're acting like he did? You know what
I mean? Have you noticed that obviously obviously Boma is baby like, she's
part of the she's been parasite eyes or whatever we wanted, she's been taken
over. But yeah, like they do have a weirdly human dynamic with like,
yeah, go ahead. Would he be forticating with himself though, because
it's technically baby is No, Yeah, I think technically yeah, but no,
I don't think they do because he's just an alien. But like they
act very much like you know, she taken over Bomas like super into uh,
taken over with Geta and they're like this evil couple and it has an
interesting dynamic to it. Yeah, what did you think of the esthetic of
vegeta and he ends up evolving there that kind of final form. I almost
I almost preferred the pre final evolution esthetic because it doesn't really look like vegeta
anymore. No, you know what, the white hair and the eyes and
yeah, I think it's cool. I kind of liked the vegeta with like
a new form almost because it wasn't super say it was white hair, so
I sort of liked that aesthetic. Now he kind of just looks like his
own thing, not really Vegeta anymore. So yeah, that's that's kind of
what what stood out to me personally. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
kind of got the same thing because when he evolves to the last part,
he has that kind of vest thing on. It's not it's not a vest,
but like, yeah, he doesn't have that saying luck to him anymore,
whereas before it was the armor I think was broken or something like,
he had that kind of he looked more like Vegeta, And then I kind
of liked that. I liked the idea of here's this villain that takes on
the kind of identity of Vegeta and looks like him. So it's kind of
like, remember we talked about we want that fight of finally Goku versus Vegeta.
Yeah, and we want that aesthetic, like to be able to see
the two of them fighting. But yeah, Goku is like a boy,
and then Vegeta is does not look like vegeta. Oh it kind of takes
away from that. Yeah, it's not. No, Yeah, I wouldn't
consider this a fight between Vegeta and Goku at all. But I do think
there will be more Goku Vegeta moments, so we can look forward to that.
Even in GT I do. I do also think like some of the
filler parts, and by filler, I just mean like not necessarily progressing the
plot, just funny moments. It was funny when Vegeta shaved because his daughter
made fun of him. I think Ullah or someone made fun of him,
and he's just like all right, time to shame, which was pretty hilarious
considering his pride and like bad boy behavior. Yeah, I thought that that
actually got a laugh for me. Or a Vegeta being like this protective or
protective father, Yeah, I like on the road, and they do that
well at Dragon Ball Super as well. Yeah, well with Bomo, right,
because obviously the daughter is oh yeah, I guess super The daughter is
really young, right, but this is like the teenage daughter now she's older
daughter. No, yeah, for sure, you'd expect that from Vegeta.
What else, what are you thinking about the the Golden Form, the Golden
ape Form, Yeah, it's interesting because I've thought about this possibility like before,
Yeah, like why aren't they going super saying with the great ape Form?
Well, I thought about, like, you know, the ape form
is like the regular saying kind of technique to power you up, to put
you over the top, and like, is it possible if you're super saying
to be able to go through that form? Because obviously the only super stands
we've seen I have to think back to Brole has a tail, right,
Braley, Yeah, yeah, so it could definitely be a possibility with Brole,
But most of the sayings we've seen, like Vegeta, Goku Trunks,
none of them have tails, so we haven't had that possibility. But I've
thought about, like, what about something like Browley is this kind of if
you see if he's able to like transform into the ape and then go super
sand and he have that aesthetic. So it was interesting how they ended up
doing that. Now I guess I know it ended with him just transforming into
that ape Would he have like autonomy over his mind or would it be like
last time where like the ape form ends up being in control more than Goku.
No, I think they'll yeah, because guys, if you didn't like
notice the exact episodes we covered. We covered right to when Goku transforms initially
into the Golden Ape, and there was some momentous moments where he was thinking
back on his adventure and you saw him looking at Earth because for some reason,
they're not on Earth, They're actually on another world that baby is like
creating, and so Earth for some reason acts as a moon to Goku so
he could turn into an ape. And he sees like all these memories of
old school ten from Dragon Ball, old school yahamtra old school chee cheep,
and he's kind of having a light flashing before his eyes moment until he finally
starts the transformation. And that's where we stopped, when he turns into that
gold Ape. So I don't think so, like, maybe there will be
some of that initial stuff, but this was sort of hyped up as his
ace in the hole, so I assume eventually he'll gain control, even if
initially he's just destroying everything. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting way
to go because I like the idea of GT adding something unique and it's not
just not that it's unoriginal, but you know how in super you're just getting
to the next form and the next form. This is a very different kind
of approach where they have this throwback. They kind of go back in time
and you think the eight form at this point is kind of irrelevant. Like
it's it's more about staying into that human form and going into you know,
like we said, the next Super Saying, which is pretty much the direction
Super took. Yeah, yeah, but here, it's just it takes that
different approach where we, you know, we bring something up that we thought
was maybe irrelevant at this point, and even at the time when like he's
training with the kais and he's like, the only way for you to be
able to be competitive against babies if we pull out your tail, and you
know at that point you think, okay, well that has to be in
order for him to turn into like the beast, like the monkey, because
why else would they have the tail? The tail is that weak part that
the Saying had before that held them back. So why that's interesting too.
It doesn't seem like they're going to make make of that the weakness anymore.
It's it seems like it's going to be the strength. It's the strength.
Yeah. So yeah, it's just an interesting approach they take. And I'm
curious to see, you know, the abilities there, like can he can
he power up like a super saying in that form, he's obviously really big,
so he's a lot bigger than the human form. Is he going to
be shooting out the energy waves out of his mouth like the like the Beast
did before? Yeah, it's a lot of the thing is it loses some
of that martial arts aspect to it. Yeah, so we'll see how they
handle it, right, because that is something we love from dragon Ball.
And although you could be like, bro, it's kind of stupid that he's
there's so many transformations. I mean maybe and there are some series that don't
need it, but I mean it's something we love in dragon Ball, right,
the transformation. So I get the fact that they keep those going,
you know, because yeah, I don't know. I think it's more how
they do it with dragon Ball than not doing it because it's hype. It's
a high part of dragon Ball and why not why should they not use their
strength which is coming up with cool transformations and cool forms. Yeah, And
the thing I appreciated was super when it comes to the transformations is unlike Z
where everything's just so linear, like you know, you go to the next
form. So if Goku goes to one form, Vegeta or Gohan have to
get to that form like Super makes it where they go on their own unique
transformation, like Vegeta versus Goku, and I do appreciate that how it's not
just this linear path anymore, but they're able to Yeah, No, I
really loved that, and that was only recently in Druggon Ball Super so yeah,
but like, yeah, I really like that with the new form and
stuff. Obviously we're referring to Vegeta's ultra ego form. I do want to
say that Zeken actually mentioned I believe that we stopped right before the hype episode,
So there's huge hype right now. Right We're not only going to cover
the climax of the Baby saga next, we're also going to be covering the
Super Saiyan seventeen. No not super saying let me just see the official title
of that saga, Super Android seventeen saga. So it's gonna be episodes thirty
four two. Let me just scroll down through the bottom episode forty seven,
So thirty four to forty seven, and then there's one more saga, Shadow
Dragon Saga after that, so only two more episodes of dragon Ball GT.
On the Drug Ball Version podcast, I don't know for sure if we're gonna
do next week because I think we're gonna do anime version next week. So
me and Ray will still talk behind the scenes about whether we should do it
on a Wednesday or whether we should just like postponent until anime version takes a
week off and then just do Dragon Ball GT Virgin. So we'll see how
we do it. But that is the that is what the next episode will
cover. I'm very excited we are headed towards the climax of Dragon Ball GT.
I know there are many amazing highlights. Even if you know the storytelling
for many people is not on par with what you'd expect from Dragon Ball,
there's still hype moments, moments that hype me up, moments that for some
for some fans, as as one person mentioned Baby being their favorite villain,
there are stuff that's literally people's favorite coming up in Dragon Ball GT. So
definitely get excited. Ray. I wonder too, at the back of my
mind, is Pan going to be like super relevant in the way of fighting
at any point, because yeah, she has built z built her up to
be someone who could be on a different Z or Super Z or Super.
Wasn't it Z Well, when she was fighting at the tournament in the end,
I'm trying. I don't know. I'm trying to think I thought like
she was someone who because she was really in dragon Ball Z. Right,
Yeah, the potential is there for this this character to be like yeah,
I don't think they had like soup like a bunch of stuff. I know
she didn't go super Sayan. She fought in the tournament at the end in
the final episode, and that in theory, Gohan was stronger because there was
something about being half human half saying, and so you could say that Pan
special too, because she's like a quarter saying. But I think they just
dropped that idea. I don't think that. But in dragon Ball Super you
do have moments where like baby Pan is flying and stuff that are hyping her
up. I really do If Dragon Ball Super goes that far, I do
want to see at least the super Sayan Pan you know, yeah, I
think that would be cool because we've only seen one other like woman Super saying.
It was in Super. Right when they end up seeing that planet,
that's well, it's not just one. It's not just one because there was,
right, yeah, yeah, yeah girl who yeah yeah her and uh,
I want to say khalifa, but that that's that's the wrapper. I
don't know if it's similar to that. I know it's similar to that,
but it's Kala Khalifa or something. Yeah, but yeah, I want to
see it pan ends up panning out. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, let's
see how how she pans out? All right? Cool, guys, Thanks
again so much for tuning in a bunch of donations today. Thank you guys
so much. Keep on keep an eye out. We will be finishing GT
eventually. Just not sure if it's gonna be like the timeline right now,
but we'll figure it out. And until next time, see a space Cowboys Bang