1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:07,360 M h. You're listening to the Parallel UK Radio network and this is six 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:01:00,280 Degrees of John Keel. Hello and welcome to the six Degrees of John Heel 3 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,640 podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Barbara Fisher. Tonight, coming to 4 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:14,280 speak with me about paranormal films or the paranormal in film. Is Zoe Burdette. 5 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:21,359 She was here last time to talk about owls and woodlands and a wedding 6 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:27,239 dress and she's also a film person. Like I am so welcome, thank 7 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,640 you, so happy to be back, Barbara. Yeah, yeah, this 8 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:36,519 is this is fun. We've been trying to get together and you know, 9 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:42,480 MORGANA was like in school. I was falling down and we did we did 10 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:51,239 record once before and the internet gods said no, no, it wasn't no. 11 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,879 And so I gave good sacrifices this afternoon, so it should be all 12 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:05,599 right. So here we are. So, Zoe, I really before we 13 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:12,199 actually start on the individual films, what was your first film that you saw, 14 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,520 whether in childhood or early early adulthood, that really gave you the idea 15 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:27,400 of paranormality in film and in life, that kind of kind of bridge that 16 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:34,960 gap for you between fiction and reality. Oh, I think that would have 17 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:43,159 to be The Shining. I can see that it's a household staple. My 18 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,400 parents are also movie people, and my dad has had a poster of the 19 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:53,879 Big Jack Nicholson. Here's Johnny face up on his car garage ceiling along with 20 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:01,199 taxi driver ever since I can remember, and I remember identifying very closely with 21 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:06,719 Danny because I was about his age when I first watched The Shining. Oh 22 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:13,960 wow, Yes. And in addition to that, I also was a sensitive 23 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:19,560 child in the spiritual sense, although I didn't really have the vocabulary at that 24 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:24,800 point too to work with that. So watching it had that dual meaning for 25 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,080 me where I could identify with Danny because of his age, but also because 26 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,280 of what he was experiencing. Not so much to that extent, but it 27 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,919 gave me a context of, oh, so, I'm not the only one 28 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:46,639 right right. You know. Kubrick was really careful with the actor who played 29 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Danny, and that's one of the things I always want to bring up. 30 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,680 I remember the first time I saw it, my mom was like, how 31 00:03:55,719 --> 00:04:00,159 could this kid, you know be in this movie movie on this set? 32 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:08,639 Oh my god? And I found out that Kubrick and Nicholson both were really 33 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:14,240 kind to him, and and the kid really grew up never seeing the whole 34 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,600 film until he was like seventeen or eighteen something like that. Like he was, 35 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,959 you know, pretty much fully grown up, and he didn't realize it 36 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,560 was a horror film until he actually watched it, and then he was like, 37 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:35,279 oh, oh no, so it isn't all a nightmare kind of set 38 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:45,319 because everybody, you know, hears about Shelley Duval and how horrified she was, 39 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:49,759 and he got great performances out of her. But yeah, it was 40 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:58,040 grueling at what cost, I know, right, But I believe the same 41 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:02,480 thing happened with the child actor in The Shining or not the Shining sorry, 42 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:08,480 the Omen the Danny, and he was also kept from it until much later 43 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:15,560 when he learned really what his part was. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, 44 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,319 oh I was I was satan Okay. I didn't really realize that. 45 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:26,800 I was just having fun. Yeah, I can't imagine, but it's like 46 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,319 i'm child actors, I mean, trying to think of myself as a child, 47 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,120 and you know, having to retain that sort of thing just playing may 48 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:38,040 believe, but I don't know. It's a it's a strange, strange feeling 49 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,800 for someone who hasn't gone through it. I guess yes, well interestingly, 50 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,839 and you were the one who pointed it out. All of the films that 51 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:54,839 we chose seem to have a thematic connection. Even though the first one is 52 00:05:54,879 --> 00:06:03,480 about pagan traditions, the second one is about UFOs, the third one is 53 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:11,920 about I'm not actually sure what that one's about. I'll say demonic possession, 54 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,079 even though I don't necessarily think that's what's going on, but when we get 55 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:24,639 to it, y'alla will understand. Really. And then the third one is 56 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,199 about ghosts and mediums or no, the fourth one is about ghosts and mediums, 57 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:36,480 and then the fifth one is about hauntings and being haunted. But in 58 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:43,759 every one of them there's in the center of it a family or a child. 59 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:53,120 So I really think that that's one of the It's just one of the 60 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:57,680 key parts of the paranormal that people don't really talk about or think about, 61 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:03,959 is children are almost always in there somewhere doing something, you know. They're 62 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,079 the ones who see the ghosts or hear them. Um. They're the ones 63 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,240 who have the nightmares about the aliens coming through the walls, not always but 64 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:23,480 often, and they're the ones who have this great imagination that parents will often 65 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:30,160 say it's just your imagination. So I really think that's something as we go 66 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,839 along, we can we can talk about it. So you had you picked 67 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,600 the first one, so why don't you go and start with that. The 68 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:43,199 first one that came to mind when we were talking about this was The Wickerman 69 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:49,399 the original, of course. Yeah, but uh yeah, not too harsh 70 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:51,839 on the original. That will take a whole other podcast. I mean, 71 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:57,000 not the not the original remake, the remake. Yes, not too harsh 72 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,839 on that or in a Cage or anything. I know that's a beloved bad 73 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:05,439 movie for so many people. But talking about that could take a whole other 74 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:13,879 episode. Yeah it could. Yeah, I love I love the original as 75 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:22,759 most do, just because it captures so well the how those traditions are kept 76 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:28,160 alive and also how it's a murder mystery but it's a time capsule and it 77 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:35,519 has these two Well, it's it's folk car. I mean, we were 78 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,480 talking about that whole genre that's just coming back. So a lot of people 79 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:46,759 are re discovering the wicker Man and all these taken traditions that people are starting 80 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,600 to really talk about more and share, which is fantastic, and yet it 81 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:56,200 takes a turn at the very end of it that I didn't expect because I 82 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,639 was just having a grand old time with this silly policeman. Is the only 83 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:03,840 way I can talk about him, because good God, that man. He 84 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:09,639 just shows up and starts blundering, blustering like no roast beef man ever has. 85 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:20,159 And for all the British procedurals we see now and people love them, 86 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,120 it's so much different than I'm not sure I've never seen one of those series 87 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:30,879 if they have them in from the seventies. But he shows up by himself, 88 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,879 no partner, these about it's an island full of hippies, and none 89 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:41,039 of them think to ask him for a search warrant when he starts looking for 90 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,320 this missing child. And then you have Christopher Lee doing whatever the heck he's 91 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:54,600 doing, being charming. And one of my favorite Christopher Lee facts is that 92 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,919 he barely got paid anything to be in that movie. He just wanted to 93 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,200 be in it. Yes, yes, he wanted to be Lord summer Isle 94 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,799 really really badly. I don't blame him. I want to be Lady summer 95 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:15,799 Isle, I know. Right to go back in time World's Most Interesting Man. 96 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:22,600 But with that film in particular, it's it's always fun because for people 97 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:26,039 who are rediscovering neopaganism, or for people who have done it forever, just 98 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,080 people who have either grown up in those traditions or know a lot about them. 99 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,679 It's a fun little study of what it would be like if an entire 100 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:41,200 pagan community could exist on an island off the coast of England and actually work, 101 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,000 because in form and function, it's still a function, but it's they 102 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:50,159 have schools, they have town government, they have this whole thing. They 103 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,000 have their lord, who's more kind of like a not a benevolent dictator, 104 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,759 but he's he's like the lord of the the shire. All right, what 105 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:05,960 have you? He's the he's the Lord Grantham of summer Isle. Yeah. 106 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:11,600 Yeah, but then you get this one loud Christian in there and everything goes 107 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:18,039 right to pot. Yeah. Yeah. Although it's really funny because it seems 108 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:24,879 like the villagers, rather than being like fifteen kinds of particularly upset about him, 109 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,840 make it their business to make fun of the cop and pick on him 110 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:39,080 and trick him and tease him, and they and they do the whole the 111 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,679 whole film he gets rased, and and it is a bunch of hippies. 112 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:50,039 But at the same time they're mostly wearing traditional British like you know, middle 113 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:56,120 class and working class clothes, right, so they they look like what he 114 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,279 expects people to look like. You know, they look like all this is 115 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:05,960 the pub owner, and this is the this is the the chambermaid for the 116 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,679 end, and this is the school teacher. So all of those, you 117 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,519 know, check out in his mind. But then they act completely differently and 118 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:22,360 he starts to like, it's almost like he loses his footing when he realizes 119 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,720 none of these people are Christian. None of these people are going to cooperate 120 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,200 with him. I mean they do they they answer his questions, but they 121 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:39,759 you know, are not telling him anything at all. And it freaks him 122 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,600 out and he gets more and more weirded out. And of course the part 123 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:50,320 about him that really even when I was younger and I saw it, I 124 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:56,759 was like, how can he be so weird about sex at his age? 125 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:00,879 What is happening with this man? I mean, people in Great Britain, 126 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:05,879 people in Scotland have sax Okay, otherwise they wouldn't be sitting there on their 127 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,360 island. There would be nobody there, so I know that this. I 128 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,879 mean, maybe he just had poor luck with the ladies. Maybe he was 129 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:20,519 in the closet, we don't know. But he was really, really just 130 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:26,919 so uptight about all sorts of things. And there's plenty of boobies in the 131 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,159 movie, so you know, yes, it was a booby full movie. 132 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,559 It is it is. I think that's why, you know, Christopher Lee 133 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,759 needed to be Lord summer Isle. I think that was part of it, 134 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,440 Yes, because he could very calmly, you know, be in the middle 135 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:56,559 of ladies fully naked dancing around him and talk like he was just having a 136 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:03,720 wonderful afternoon to this crazy cop that's just completely losing it about the naked ladies. 137 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,039 Yeah. I think one of my favorite scenes in that movie is when 138 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,840 he goes out he is having a panic and then he goes outside and sees 139 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:20,000 all of the young couples just screwing in the field build. It just completely 140 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,759 his helmet goes flying off and everything. I just I love it. It's 141 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:31,120 so funny and it reminds me quite a bit. I always think the Monty 142 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,840 Python's a meaning of life. When they're sitting there, like the family next 143 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,879 door they're seeing the sperm song, and then you have the Protestant couple and 144 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,440 like, right, we have two children and we've only had sex or into 145 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,320 course twice, and this reminds me, well, yes, but we could 146 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:56,840 if we wanted to. You know, Yeah, that's a good that's a 147 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:00,799 good metaphor there. I like that, And it is funny. It is 148 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:07,480 very, very funny. Now I was. I wasn't as surprised at the 149 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:11,639 ending the first time I saw it, simply because of the title, because 150 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:18,159 I knew what the Romans had written about the Druids with what a wicker man 151 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,240 is, and that it was supposedly you sacrificed people through it. So I 152 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,519 knew a wicker man was coming up, you know, I knew it was 153 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:33,720 gonna I didn't necessarily know how it was going to go until he just kept, 154 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,159 you know, being misdirected and redirected. He didn't have sense enough to 155 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:43,919 get on the boat and go home, and they just seemed to be keeping 156 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,320 him there longer and longer and longer, and stringing him along. And I 157 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,240 was like, oh, I bet I know what's going to happen. I 158 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:58,480 bet I know who's going to go in that wicker Cage. Especially we find 159 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,960 out he's a virgin, so it's like whoa, yeah, yeah, it's 160 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,759 like oh my, And I think the underlying genius of that movie I saw 161 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:12,000 it as an adult. I didn't experience it until probably my twenties, so 162 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:15,039 I knew. I also knew that there was a wicker Man coming. But 163 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,240 what sris me most about that was what surprised me most about the thing, 164 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:25,240 which I also watched kind of later in life. I was kind of expecting 165 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,279 like a fun romp, and at the beginning it is, Yes, it 166 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,039 is. As he gets further and further into the maze of this situation, 167 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:38,919 It's what the brilliance of that movie is that it just encroaches upon you and 168 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:44,120 I don't know that it's happening. It just kind of closes in until things 169 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,200 get real weird and then real fast, real fast. And then at the 170 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,840 very end, like even though you know the wicker Man's coming, when they 171 00:16:52,960 --> 00:17:00,399 zoom it on his face and they take the cut to this colossal structure and 172 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,559 you know what's going to happen, I could feel my stomach just drop. 173 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:11,720 Yeah, in a way that if if if if listeners subscribe to that genetic 174 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:15,480 memory idea where it's just like you're looking at the scaffold. It's just like, 175 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:22,359 oh yeah, yeah, and you know it's over. Yeah yeah, 176 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:29,680 I definitely. And what's interesting, even though he's been a complete and utter 177 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:37,200 pain in the butt and really nasty to the people on this island, you 178 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,279 know, accusing them of all sorts of stuff, which none of that actually 179 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:48,559 happened until the end, then it happens to him. Even though I disliked 180 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,119 him through the whole movie, I felt horrible for him at the end. 181 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:00,359 And I think that's one of the things that you're supposed to feel. You're 182 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,400 not supposed to feel like, Yay, they got him. You're not supposed 183 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,680 to feel like, um, well, he deserved it because he was an 184 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,039 ass. It was more like all the man was doing was his job, 185 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,119 and this is what happens. And I think that's that's where the horror is 186 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:25,200 supposed to come in, because you see him, he's basically an okay guy's 187 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,240 just judgmental, and then you see everybody else and they all seem like pretty, 188 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,880 you know, cool really, I mean, you know, they have 189 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,559 like, you know, really cool costumes that they put on for their like 190 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,759 spring festival, and you know, they have all of the you know, 191 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:45,440 they have the may Queen and they've got Lord summer Rile. They got naked 192 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,039 ladies dancing, they got you know, some singing in the pub that ends 193 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:53,559 with lots of having sex and sex in the fields and everybody's you know, 194 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,720 and everybody's getting along and it's lovely except for this guy who came from the 195 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:03,400 mainland who's being a pain. And yes, they seem like such nice people 196 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:11,519 until but you still think they're nice people, that's the thing. And what 197 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,160 is so eerie about it, even if you are of I think everyone who 198 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,720 has participated in the pagan community or the paranormal community or anything like that, 199 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:26,119 everyone has had that moment where you're having a great time and you're having fun 200 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,000 and like you've met all these new people and isn't this great way we have 201 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:33,519 a community? And then someone does something really weird, like yeah, beyond 202 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:38,200 your your bounds of even if you're the weirdest person you know where you're just 203 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:48,200 like, oh, okay. And you get that from the perspective of the 204 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:55,039 policeman when he's looking out of the wicker Man on fire and you see them 205 00:19:55,079 --> 00:20:00,880 all dancing like jets, like their smiles. Yep, they're the sweetest people 206 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:07,799 alive. But they are burning this dude alive. Yeah, and along with 207 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:10,799 a bunch of farm animals. I feel so bad for the for the animals 208 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:18,119 too. Yeah. Yeah, the animals actually upset me greatly. Um the 209 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,680 first time I saw it, I think I was like seventeen the first time 210 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,599 I saw it, maybe maybe nineteen something like that. Um, I was 211 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,200 more, you know, in a lot of ways, I was more upset 212 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,920 about the animals because of course, you know, they have no concept. 213 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,839 But then I was like, well, maybe it's but you know what, 214 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,319 they could have slit their throats and then put them in the fire. They 215 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:44,240 didn't have to do that. You know. It's like just just you don't 216 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:47,200 have to do it that way. The Romans didn't do it that way. 217 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:53,200 Come on, the Romans would have done yeah, because they always you know, 218 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,920 you got to look at the end trails before you set it on fire, 219 00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:00,400 or you can't figure out what the future holds. So and that's the 220 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:06,880 other thing that I love about this. It's counted as a paranormal movie, 221 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:15,640 but in a way it isn't really. Yeah, there isn't much actual I 222 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,519 don't want to say there's not much actual magic goes in, but it's all 223 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,759 ritual. It's all kind of the nuts and bolts of what goes into magic 224 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:30,000 rather than it's a it's a show rather than a tell, because even though 225 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,559 you're doing all of these they don't tell you exactly why they do all of 226 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:37,240 these other strange things that they're up to. They tell you why they have 227 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:41,920 the wicker Man and the may Queen and all that, but right, it's 228 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:48,559 not it's it's not quite like well, I think the other movie that's very 229 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,079 much like it now is Midsamar, where they yes, they do tell you, 230 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:59,640 but it has both the show and the tell where they do it and 231 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,880 they say, oh, well they this is why we do this and this 232 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,119 is how we live and while everyone gets more and more horrified. But you 233 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,039 don't really get that with the Wickerman. It's just kind of all these strange 234 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:15,279 things. And as a I mean, I wasn't alive when it came out, 235 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,839 so I can't have the perspective of someone who just goes and sees that 236 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,359 movie cold, you know, like goes to the theater because they have nothing 237 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,279 else to do and they're just like, what is this? And that was 238 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,880 kind of a lot of people's attitudes at the time when it came out, 239 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,160 and then of course it became a cult classic because it is actually a good 240 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,000 movie. It is well scripted, it's well acted. Nobody's particularly chewing the 241 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:48,000 scenery too much. I mean, Lord Summeryle has a little bit of fun 242 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:53,240 with it, but you know, not too bad. And it's what happens 243 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:57,160 is it becomes believable as as it goes on, and then you know, 244 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,440 you're pulled into it. And like you say, at the end, he's 245 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,279 looking out of the bars of this big wicker cage and he's you know, 246 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,920 the cage is on fire, and they are those nice people dancing around him 247 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,559 singing. Yeah. It's like, all how can they do this? It's 248 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:21,759 just it's such a brilliant shot too. I think I heard I saw somewhere 249 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,279 recently, and I could be wrong about this, but I'm gonna go with 250 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:30,319 it. They that for that particular shot, the very end shot was actually 251 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 a mistake, like they did not expect to get the sun going down when 252 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,160 it did, and in on it was like they didn't mean to do that, 253 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:45,240 but it worked. So in addition to everything else, it's people forget 254 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:52,559 that like that type of movie had could only be made on film, So 255 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,680 the editing and just the way that it was filmed, it's cinematographically fantastic as 256 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,119 well. So yes, yeah, so it's it's such a good start to 257 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,200 that. The anyone who has asked me about folk Car, I'm like, 258 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,240 like, watch the Kerman. It'll give you an idea. Yeah, it 259 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,880 really, it really puts it succinctly in your head, is to what's going 260 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,200 on? Um, because full cor is generally not up in your face, 261 00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:26,279 splattery, smack you around it. It's a slow burn that builds up and 262 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:33,480 then you're like, oh, oh by the end, um, that's uh. 263 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:38,319 That that is a really good introduction. I think the only possible paranormal 264 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:45,480 thing that's in there is when is it britt Ekland who's the busty blonde who 265 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:52,039 sings the song. Didn't she read to row cards for the cop in the 266 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:59,079 end? I think so. I'm pretty sure she did, and I'm pretty 267 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:07,880 sure she did it without you know, setting up the cards first, because 268 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,519 he came in and she pretty much was like, hey, let me read 269 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:18,039 for you, and she pretty well accurately predicted. Now she of course she 270 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,279 knew what was going to happen, or maybe she didn't. Maybe everybody wasn't 271 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:29,359 in on it exactly. That's another thing you don't know until the end. 272 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,759 Maybe some of the people aren't in on it. They just know how to 273 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:41,119 answer this guy, or maybe they've done it before over and over and so 274 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,880 yeah, or because he's so new when they're used to sacrificing girls on the 275 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,359 island, they didn't really know how to approach it until they realized all the 276 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,799 pieces were in motion for him to be a virgin and to be alone, 277 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:03,000 yeah, to be able to just make him disappear. Yeah, yeah, 278 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,599 yeah, so yeah. And as far as the folk car aspect goes to 279 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,599 what I like about it most and this is this has been carried on. 280 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,039 This is what I find is most successful with this genre of film that keeps 281 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,680 being like people are starting to get it now and you touched at the beginning 282 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:25,319 when they're all rasinum. There's such a trickster element just to the film itself. 283 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,680 That's because they just nail how like with the showing not telling, especially 284 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,920 in folklore or in folk magic or in anything that you're doing like, there's 285 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,680 gonna be weird stuff going on that you're not going to be able to explain. 286 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,799 You may never know what it means, and you just kind of have 287 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:48,759 to accept it and keep going yes, yes them. And speaking of that, 288 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:56,599 I love how all of their costumes for the end ritual which they are 289 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:03,039 practicing up to the and ritual off and on, and kids are involved in 290 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,599 drawing pictures that have to do with it. It's actually kind of a complicated 291 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,640 movie that way. You just kind of have to pay attention. Um. 292 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,720 But they have the rabbit, you know, the they dress up as a 293 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:22,200 rabbit, which is the trickster um. You know, they decapitate the rabbit. 294 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,079 You know, there's hairs, there's rabbits, there's you know, the 295 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:36,440 green Man, there's um hobby horse. Yeah, and it's it's beautiful because 296 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,640 it looks so beautiful and pastoral and you want it to be beautiful and pastoral, 297 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,839 and it is until it isn't, and then suddenly you're like, oh, 298 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,240 oh okay, yeah, so yeah, that's a that's a thing. 299 00:27:52,279 --> 00:28:02,119 But I think other than that tarrow card reading, there's no actual overt understanding 300 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,880 of the paranormal or magic as a thing. We just we know they believe 301 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:14,359 in it, but we don't know if it actually works, except that they 302 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,680 all seem to be pretty healthy and happy there, so nobody's starving. Yeah, 303 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,079 and they're so adamant about making about making this happen, this ritual will 304 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,519 happen with examples of success that he sees framed on the walls and the different 305 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,240 personifications of the may Queen. So that's yeah, that's all in there. 306 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:40,920 And then with the I mean the vibe of everyone being dressed in traditional and 307 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:47,599 working class English clothing for the it's it's the mid seventies. It's just it 308 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,880 just warms my, my dear little heart just say, that's totally my that's 309 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,839 totally my place of comfort. So yeah, I love that about it. 310 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,920 And how in so many ways you can either put yourself and you can put 311 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,839 yourself in the place of the teacher, or you can put yourself in the 312 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,039 place of the man himself if you or the policeman if you don't know what's 313 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,640 going on. And in a lot of ways that's us because when I first 314 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,799 watched it, I knew what was going on. But the way that they 315 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:26,400 play with the viewers sense of reality and not even just the reality, but 316 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,759 also just what are these people doing? Is yeah, palpable? So yeah, 317 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,119 he's definitely a sympathetic character, especially by the end, even if he's 318 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,799 a big dude, like he's a big dufist, but he's not like yeah, 319 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,000 but he's not mean. Yeah, that's the thing. He's judgmental and 320 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:52,799 bossy and loud, but he's not mean, and that that makes it sad 321 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,599 at the end. Yes, Okay, I think we should move on because 322 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,720 otherwise we'll never get through our whole list. So that the next one is 323 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,200 actually the one of the ones that morgana chose. But I've seen it and 324 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:15,480 so I can talk about it. And it's called Dark Skies, And this 325 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,160 is a film. It came out in twenty thirteen, and it's a really 326 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:27,680 weird film, like like you don't expect what starts happening, and they don't 327 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:34,480 really market it as the kind of thing that it maybe turns out to be 328 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,400 or actually turns out to be, but at the beginning there's all kinds of 329 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:48,559 questions. So it's a family, UM with two kids, younger son and 330 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:57,480 an older one. Um dad's unemployed and so he's he's kind of hanging out 331 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,000 in the house all the time, and the wife is a real estate agent 332 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,200 and they live in the suburbs, and they seem like really nice people, 333 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:14,839 you know, they really This is one of those times when you look at 334 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,720 the people involved and you go, man, they didn't ask for this. 335 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,240 You know. As it goes on and goes on, it gets weirder and 336 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,759 weirder. Now, this one does have paranormal stuff happening, and it really 337 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:33,440 starts. I think it starts with a bang, but that's because I have 338 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:40,720 a feeling as to what's going on. But I think the first one is 339 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:48,160 in the night, like the stuff from the drawers in the kitchen and stuff 340 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:57,920 from cabinets in the dining room gets pulled out and rearranged in these like complicated 341 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:06,880 hanging from the ceiling moving sculptures. Like how how else would you describe it 342 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:15,359 is It's like it's completely impossible, you know, And but it's so cool 343 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:22,200 looking. They did a great job with that building on the because it's like 344 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,839 Poultergeist the movie Pulters where she turns around and all of the chairs are in 345 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,400 a in a pyramid the mother and that is a bit it's a bit of 346 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,920 an update from that in that Impoulter Geist, like the dad's all I think 347 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,279 the dad's also a real estate agent, no, I think about it. 348 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,960 Yeah yeah, and the mom's a stay at home mom. But they seem 349 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,599 like just a happy, normal family that this thing just happens too, and 350 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,960 you're right with the family in turmoil. It's a very but in the young 351 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:57,039 children, it's a very paranormal. Anyone who's who knows anything about the paranormal 352 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,720 and Poulter Guist is like, oh, they are primed to be yeah, 353 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:08,039 yeah, yeah, And then they have these sculptures with just like impossible, 354 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:13,440 like these things should not be able to fit together the way that they do. 355 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,480 But something that's how to do it, which is you know, scares 356 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,400 the hell out of them. And of course they they check the doors, 357 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:28,799 they check the windows, everything's locked right, and so they decide that somebody 358 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,759 had to have done it within the house. So it's one of the kids, 359 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:37,519 both of the kids, or it was the dad, somebody sleepwalked something, 360 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,960 you know. But it's also very obvious to me that neither of the 361 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,680 kids could have done it because they would have made noise, they would have 362 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:53,000 fallen down, and it it came together very quickly. One of the things 363 00:33:53,079 --> 00:34:00,480 I really like about this film is they play with shadows. They do it's 364 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:07,160 it's if you've ever seen the original nos Fawt, they do that that The 365 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:16,199 director Murnal fw Murnal does that too, where you use a shadow to make 366 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:22,119 the horror even worse. And it starts out. The shadow place starts out 367 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:30,320 with a very simple thing, and it's the the hanging sculpture because it's hanging 368 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:38,079 from the chandelier above and it's wine glasses and bottles and pieces of kitchen equipment 369 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:44,440 and it's all hanging there and it's kind of spinning a little bit from the 370 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:53,079 where it's hanging from the chandelier, and it casts shadows that look like a 371 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,480 crop circle. That was the very first thing I looked at and noticed, 372 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:06,280 and I was like, that looks like a crop circle. And in fact, 373 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,119 I'm pretty sure it's one of the more famous crop circles. But I 374 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,599 never did, like, you know, go dig it up and make sure. 375 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,239 If I was writing about it for film class, I would have looked 376 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,159 it up, but I didn't. Um but that was a that was a 377 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,559 tell for those of us who are in the know about things like that. 378 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:36,760 Um, I think most audiences wouldn't have caught it right, And I yeah, 379 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,880 and I kind of I knew going in because we had talked about it 380 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,719 what it was going to be, But that didn't matter because the way that 381 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:51,039 the tension builds in that film is so again kind of like The wicker Man 382 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,280 is just it sneaks up on you. I watched it with my name and 383 00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:58,760 my mother and I when I watched movies at my parents as well. We 384 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,679 both have a couch, my dad has his own chair, and my mother 385 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:09,000 has a problem with flailing when she's scared. So we learned this when we 386 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:15,280 watched one of the paranormal activity movies. And I'll never forget who screamed first 387 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,199 something There was a jump scare and we both screamed and she like clocked me 388 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,599 in the ribs. Oh wow, yeah. Just And this time I was 389 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:31,280 surprised at myself because the first time we see what's going on for real, 390 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,159 like confirmed, Like I knew what it was and I knew what was going 391 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,840 to happen. But when the mom is walking around at night having heard something, 392 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,400 and she goes into her son's bedroom and sees the tall gray standing over 393 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,360 the bed, I shrieked like a little girl, and then my mother like, 394 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,760 so I scared my mother, and then she whacked me by accident, 395 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,440 just across the chest, the big thumb, and we woke up my pad 396 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:06,280 who had an invitably fallen asleep, and it was absolute chaos at the Burnett 397 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,000 house for a moment. And yeah, so I was surprised because I'm not 398 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,159 usually like it doesn't things don't usually get me that way, but that one 399 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,599 did and it did the same with me. Now I didn't scream, but 400 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,079 I did jump, and I was like, oh oh no, oh no. 401 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,639 Yeah, And we don't have like scream Queen Queen Scream Queen screams either. 402 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,960 My mother and I like if we're I think they take I think Henry 403 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:35,480 Zabrowski talks about it on last podcast a lot where if like he ever gets 404 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,960 attacked, he'll be a writhing, screaming mess, and that's exactly what my 405 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:46,639 mother and I are just like, so it's just it's it was bad. 406 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,519 But yeah, the way that that movie builds the tension, and it has 407 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:57,559 a similar kind of a similar plot structure to Poultergeist, but it does end 408 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,360 up in a very different place, which is surprising about it. Yeah, 409 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:08,039 yeah, Poltergeist almost ends happily compared to this one. Yes, you know, 410 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:16,440 it's almost rainbows and sparkles and loveliness. And uh, I think the 411 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:20,639 film. I would compare it too, in a lot of ways as Close 412 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,079 Encounters of the Third kind, which is completely different, but it tells the 413 00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:31,639 same story. You know, it's just from two different perspectives. Um and 414 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,639 dark skies. Maybe you can tell by the name of it is not nearly 415 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:43,400 as positive as Close Encounters, and it's not nearly as beautiful. Yes, 416 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,400 you do see gray aliens. Um, they're better than the ones that are 417 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:53,400 in Communion, the film Communion that those were those were terrible. Um, 418 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,519 they still were a little bit uncanny, but they were terrible. These these 419 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:05,880 are eepy and they made you know, they made sure that the family knew 420 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,360 that whatever this force was that was coming into their house and messing with them, 421 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,639 that this kid was drawing pictures of that, this kid was like, 422 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:22,119 you know, sleepwalking, you know, and going outside at night. It 423 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:29,599 didn't show it for a long time. It didn't actually show them, and 424 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:36,280 so instead you just have this You're like, it's gonna happen it's gonna happen. 425 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,320 It's gonna happen, and you know it's gonna happen. But the mom 426 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,039 wanders around the house in the dark a few times before it happens, and 427 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,559 nothing happens the first two times, you know, so then you're like, 428 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,800 well, maybe it isn't them, Maybe it's something else. Maybe maybe one 429 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,639 of the kids it's it's it's poltergeistee stuff that one of the kids is having 430 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,480 because you have a teenage kid who's having troubles, you know, so it's 431 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,840 like, it's that kid, That's what's happening. He's he's psychically, you 432 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,400 know, putting off energy. It's repeated psychokinesis. That's what it is. 433 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,719 RpK. That's what it is. That's what it and and then no, 434 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:27,519 no, it's not yeah, no, no no, and it really really 435 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:37,599 really once you get close to the end and you know what's happening. Um. 436 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:45,480 You even have a a sort of John keelish guy in the investigator who 437 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:51,039 tries to help the parents, but he basically says, well, I can't 438 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:59,519 really help you because they will do whatever they want. And the most realistic 439 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:07,079 answer from a paranormal investigator I've ever seen in a movie, yes, aside 440 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,719 from the one in Paranormal Activity where he shows up like at the second showing 441 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,199 after they riled up the demon in their house and he's just like, oh 442 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,920 no, I can't help you and just leaves time to go. Too bad. 443 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,960 I can't stay I already I have an appointment with the Exorcist right now. 444 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:29,480 Sorry, we're going to lunch. You know. It was nice meeting 445 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:36,079 you. Buy Yeah, that would that would definitely, yeah. I love 446 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,639 that. I always forget that that actor's name. He's so good in everything 447 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,159 he does, but he he just played and he has a bunch of and 448 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,519 he's just got to look him up. I gotta look him up because it's 449 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:57,360 bugging me. Yep. Um no not the TV series, No, no, 450 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,679 no, Why While you're looking, I'll talk about just two movies that 451 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,159 it really did remind me of. And I don't I don't want to give 452 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:09,360 away the ending in Case because it was so this movie until you and MORGANA 453 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,800 brought it up, and it reminded me a lot of just with the aliens 454 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,519 and this tension building the movie signs which say what you will about M Knight 455 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:24,239 Shamalan, I happen to be an night Shamalan apologist. I like a lot 456 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,760 of his movies, even the ones that people think are bad. That's a 457 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,519 whole other show. But Signs in particular was just so good at the tension 458 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:39,559 building in that and like they're they're especially those scene with Joaquin Phoenix watching like 459 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,880 the children's birthday party, Like, yes, that scene should not be as 460 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,199 scary as it is, and yet it terrifying. Yeah, and when it 461 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,679 the thing stands on like he sees the things standing on the roof. Awful. 462 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,639 Yeah, yeah, awful, Like cornfields are scary enough. I don't 463 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,960 need to see an alien foot in that. Yeah, yeah, that's not. 464 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:10,400 Yeah. The actor's name is JK. Simms, Sims Simmons, and 465 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,360 he's wonderful, and he's wonderful in everything. Yes, and he plays a 466 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,719 great paranormal investigator or not even an investigate. Well he's still an investigator, 467 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:29,400 but like he's still he moved specifically to like to investigate, I believe. 468 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,159 But he also he has all these cats around that keep the aliens away. 469 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,920 Yes, and that reminded me of a friend of mine who always had a 470 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,719 lot of cats, because the very first time she saw a ghost was her 471 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,199 recently deceased boyfriend, and she said it was as if he was standing there 472 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,960 and it terrified. It was like three days after he died in a car 473 00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:59,039 wreck, and he was standing there as if nothing had happened, and he 474 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:04,199 was talking to were. So this was her first psychic kind of experience. 475 00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:10,039 And she was like, Ricky, you gotta go. You can't stay here. 476 00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,400 You're scaring me. Ricky, you gotta go. And her cat woke 477 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:23,920 up and lunged at him, growling, And so she kept cats around her 478 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:31,079 because she felt like they could see something happening before it happened and would scare 479 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:36,280 them away. And because I asked her, I was like, I mean, 480 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,400 I know that you love cats, but you know this is a tiny 481 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,679 apartment. Why do you have like seven of them? And she said, 482 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,159 I don't want to be without one in the room with me, preferably two, 483 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,880 and I'm not going to lock them in rooms with me. You know, 484 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,239 they're allowed to go back and forth. But with that number and three 485 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,559 rooms, there's a there's going to be at least one. And I was 486 00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,440 like, oh, okay, why is that? And then she told me. 487 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:06,000 I went all, honey, that makes perfect sense. Oh, my 488 00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:13,599 God, And it makes me wonder about that apparition of her boyfriend because like 489 00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,440 normally with that sort of thing, if a like if a spirit comes back 490 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,559 and has to tell someone something after a sudden death like that, animals don't 491 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:28,159 usually react that. Yeah, suspicious. Yeah, that was exactly what I 492 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,719 thought. And I was like, are you sure it was Ricky? And 493 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,719 she said, you know, it looked exactly like him. I said, 494 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,719 oh, but you know, if he was your boyfriend and was good to 495 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,679 you, why would the cat go after him? And if he if you 496 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:49,079 said, you're scaring me, you need to go, like yeah, and 497 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,440 she was like, oh, yeah, maybe it wasn't. Oh gotta get 498 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,360 another cat. You know, two of them are getting old. I got 499 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,199 it. Get on, you know. I was like, so maybe crazy 500 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,519 cat ladies, that's part of it. I don't know, Mum. Yeah, 501 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,519 there's a whole Yeah, there's a whole school of thought with crazy cat 502 00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:14,119 ladies. But I mean the other movie it reminded me of was and that 503 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,400 came out I think around the same time as this was The Fourth Kind, 504 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,519 which it did come out near that time. Yeah, and it reminded me 505 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:28,079 a lot of that. But good God, the fourth kind scared the Bejesus 506 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,280 out of me, like, you know me and owls, so yeah, 507 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,239 my beloved barn owls and turning them into evil, smiling alien owls was just 508 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:45,800 not not nice. Yeah, that's a that's an evil movie. And I 509 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,119 agree with you. It's so frightening, and especially as a found footage movie, 510 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,639 with which again I love. I love found footage movies, but not 511 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,599 everyone and not everyone does. But the way that they did it was just 512 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,239 well done as far as manipulating footage to make it and do it presenting it 513 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,440 as a reenactment rather than a st Bard movie, which like this, like 514 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,320 Dark Skies, is very good, but it also it definitely has that Holly 515 00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:22,360 hollywoodification of especially the mom. I was like she like, it was very 516 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,639 distracting for me. Just I know, it's twenty thirteen, but to have 517 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,760 a mother of two boys one's a teenager walking around in her white like her 518 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,519 see through wife beater with her nipples sticking out, like yeah, that was 519 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:42,119 weird, you know, trying to find them. Yeah, I know, 520 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,239 I didn't like that either, Like, just grab a robe, lady, 521 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,480 come on, Yeah, that's not her and it's not her fault. It's 522 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,079 you know, it's the direction, but I just yeah, so there was 523 00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:58,280 that. But also in the fourth kind they have Mia Jevovovich playing who is, 524 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,760 you know, an evil lou Dallas, one of the most gorgeous women 525 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,639 in my opinion, to ever be on the screen. Yes, and yeah, 526 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,159 so there is definitely that element of it. But did you have anything 527 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,320 else you wanted to say about Dark Skuys? Uh? Basically, y'all should 528 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,119 watch it. It's it's really good and it Yeah, it has the paranormal 529 00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,920 in it. At the beginning, you do kind of go is it paranormal 530 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:30,480 or is it not? Is somebody playing games with them? What's happening? 531 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,679 And then you go, no, this is this is bad And then you 532 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,000 have to figure out, well, are they going to actually show what it 533 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,400 is? And then you know because she goes wandering around through the house with 534 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,360 her nipples, looking at night to see if there's anything there, and then 535 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:52,039 there's never anything there, and then finally she walks in and there it is, 536 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,840 and you're all, yep, they're gonna show it. Oh okay, 537 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,880 yeah, and it does. Especially for me. What struck me about it 538 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,679 a lot was how it plays with a lot of the different trips. I 539 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,800 mean, we've been referencing like some of the oldest ones in the book Pultergeist, 540 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,280 I mean in newer movies as well. It reminded it came out also 541 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,039 around the time of Insidious, so it has a lot of element to it 542 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:23,800 as well. And for what presents itself very much as a generic Hollywood horror 543 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,360 film, it really did surprise me in a lot of wags, which doesn't 544 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,679 happen a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I expected it to be pretty predictable, 545 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,079 and it really wasn't terribly predictable. You know. Every time I thought 546 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,559 I knew what was happening, something else happened. Hmm. Yeah. So 547 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,599 okay, So the next one is one of yours, so you can introduce 548 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,159 it. I just watched it today, so, as you say, it's 549 00:49:53,199 --> 00:50:00,960 all fresh in my mind. So we're getting as far away from Hollywood probably 550 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,639 as we can get with this one. It's it's definitely a cult favorite because 551 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:13,920 for so long you had to It wasn't available streaming anywhere you had if you 552 00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,360 wanted it, you had to get a print from You had to have an 553 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,119 all region Blu ray or a DVD player, so you could get a European 554 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,400 print. It did come out on DVD recently for a Region A, but 555 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:34,559 it is now on Shutter and it is called Possession, and it's a movie. 556 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,079 I'm so glad that it's being put out on a wider scale now because 557 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:44,280 so few people have seen it or even know about it. And even when 558 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,480 I saw it, I had to get a bootleg download from someone. Yeah, 559 00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:55,760 and it's just such a anomaly of a movie in my opinion. But 560 00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,679 as someone who just watched it, like, how would you describe it to 561 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,480 someone just like two okay, okay in a few sentences? Okay, yeah, 562 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:15,400 all right, Well it's it is a horror movie. Um, and 563 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,039 you could classify it as a psychological horror movie because for most of it it 564 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:28,599 is, and it's a horror, a psychological horror movie about the breakup of 565 00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,920 a marriage. That is the simplest way to tell it. But that's not 566 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:38,519 just what it is. But for the first talk about a slow burn this 567 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,840 but what I wasn't bored at all. It just it was a slow pace 568 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,679 and for a while you're just like, well, you know, it seems 569 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,679 like they might be a little bit I mean, they're really upset about like 570 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:58,440 you know, breaking up, but you know they really should just like callor 571 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,760 therapists, maybe get some medication. Dud's manic. Something's happen, you know, 572 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,599 and you you do get worried about them. Neither of them comes across 573 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:16,559 as monstrous until a little bit later, and then it just there's just so 574 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,360 much in there. There is just so much in there. All of the 575 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:28,440 actors are really good, like and once again we have a little boy and 576 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,599 a child actor. And I know that he probably didn't know how horrific this 577 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,840 movie is because most of the true horror, he is nowhere near the screen 578 00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:44,199 anywhere. He's he's busy someplace else. Yeah, we think there's a strength 579 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,719 of the movie. I mean, we have all these there are very it's 580 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,840 great to have strong child actors and strong child characters, but there is no 581 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:58,000 place in them in that movie for a child's participation beyond what that child's had. 582 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,679 So he's kind of he's kind of a prop in a way, or 583 00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:07,360 a plot device sort of, yea, but yeah, there's no room for 584 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:15,239 him otherwise. Yeah. So yeah, So the actors were talking about are 585 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:22,000 Sam Neil and Isabella Johnny who are their marriage is falling apart. Sam Neil 586 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:27,719 has a job that keeps him away often, and when we arrive in it, 587 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:34,000 it's a very European movie in that they're already separated, like she's all 588 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,280 she showed, he's like he shows up from his trip and she's like, 589 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,039 what are you doing here? And he's said, I thought you wanted me 590 00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:43,960 back, me to come home, and she says, I still have to 591 00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:49,360 think and then turns around and walks away, so with his bags. No 592 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,000 no, And as we get further further and into this marriage, you find 593 00:53:53,079 --> 00:54:00,239 out like neither of these characters are at all sympathetic, like something definitely going 594 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:07,519 on, like he's he's manic depressive, Like he becomes manic depressive as she 595 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,719 leaves him and just kind of disappears. But it's and she finds and he 596 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,719 finds out that she's sleeping with another man and she's staying with him, and 597 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,599 so it really does play out for it's a fairly long movie, so like, 598 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:30,000 definitely settle in because you're right, it slow burns into from a family 599 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:37,400 trauma drama into something entirely different because sam Neil finds out what Isabella Johnny has 600 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,400 been up to when he meets he does meet the lover, and then the 601 00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:52,519 lover doesn't know where she is either. Yeah, And like there's every time 602 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:53,960 I watch It's the type of movie where every time I watch it, I 603 00:54:54,039 --> 00:55:00,559 have a different theory about like what it was supposed to be. And it's 604 00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:06,840 such a it's such an artifact in that it's filmed in We couldn't decide whether 605 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,320 it was East or West Berlin, but it's right on the edge of the 606 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:17,679 Berlin Wall, right, And that in itself is just such a tense environment 607 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,360 and a very symbolic environment in the same way that Suspiria was. But of 608 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,079 course Susia is its own, its own thing, its own world, but 609 00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:32,880 it does create that sense of enclosure and division. Yes, And as this 610 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,760 movie goes on, it just gets tight, Like like the other movies we've 611 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:44,480 been talking about, it just gets tighter and tighter and tighter until like it 612 00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:50,000 doesn't it doesn't exactly explode, but you know, like it takes you a 613 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:53,920 while to get there, and it just draws you in until you can't get 614 00:55:53,960 --> 00:56:00,239 out. Yeah, and you keep watching it because you want to know what 615 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:06,119 in God's name is happening here? You really do, I mean that curiosity 616 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,239 is always my greatest flaw, always gets me in trouble, and it did 617 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:16,559 with this movie because I totally didn't expect the things that happened. You know, 618 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,559 first off, it was filmed in nineteen eighty one, so it had 619 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:30,559 that nineteen seventies European feel to it. So if you've watched any classic films 620 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:37,320 from Germany or France or even England from the seventies, you know what it's 621 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:43,880 going to look like. It's very gray, it's very monochromatic, very dimly 622 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,599 lit, and then you get these spots of color that happened, and then 623 00:56:47,920 --> 00:57:00,639 it really impacts you. It also does things with innocent kitchen utensils that really 624 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:07,559 amp up the just the oh no, the dread, and you're just like, 625 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:12,599 oh no, no, no. And for by the time you know, 626 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,920 I'm sitting there going, oh no no, it's a it's an electric 627 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:20,639 knife, which I always hate those anyway, and a regular meat grinder, 628 00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:24,360 but it's an electric one. So by the time something happens, I've already 629 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:30,840 decided that they're not going to do it. I have already calmed myself and 630 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,199 gone, oh, they're just doing that to scare you. They're not ah, 631 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,960 no, you know and yeah, and then you get the bright colors 632 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:46,559 yes, um, and it's it's such a strange film in some ways, 633 00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:53,119 like the wife's best friend hates her husband and the husband hates her back, 634 00:57:54,360 --> 00:58:00,239 and yet when she's taking care of their son and both of them are out 635 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,079 wandering around trying to find each other and find out what each other's doing and 636 00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:10,719 what you know, realm, he comes home and the kids in bed, 637 00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:17,360 and the best friend has fallen asleep on the guest bed, and he very 638 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,519 nicely covers her. You know, for a second, I'm like, oh 639 00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:23,079 God, because they had already said, you know, I loathe you. 640 00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:27,920 You know, I can't stand the sight of you. I mean literally, 641 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:34,039 they just say that, and he just covers her up and then he leaves, 642 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,519 and I'm like, and he actually looks kind of like a normal nice 643 00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:43,599 person there. M. Yeah. And what I want to say about Sam 644 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:50,400 Neil is he can scare me with just a look. Yes, and yeah, 645 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,800 I mean I love I love Sam Neil, always have. And he 646 00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:00,800 another movie that he did around this time that is similar in the scary looks 647 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:05,679 is The Omen three. Did you ever see that? I never saw that 648 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,000 one, it's not bad. I mean you have to really love Sam Neil 649 00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:14,039 and you have to really be into the series. He does a great job 650 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:19,800 as an adult Damian. And there's a scene in particular where he's on a's 651 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,199 because he's ambassador. He's, well, he's English in this movie, but 652 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:32,519 he there's a fox hunt where he's sticks a pack of hounds on a renegade 653 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,320 warrior monk who's trying to kill him because he knows he's the Antichrist. Okay, 654 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,760 and there it's just it's an excellency that that sounds like a cool scene. 655 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,400 Yeah, it's very young in this too, yes, m And the 656 00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:55,119 other thing that got me is he looks like Dan Stevens from uh Downton Abbey. 657 00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,079 Yeah, and then frocked. I never made that you said it because 658 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,480 but yeah, it's a very it is. It's a hard movie to discuss. 659 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:14,280 I want everyone to watch it, especially if you're listening to this, 660 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,000 because it's i mean not if you're if you can't handle body horror, if 661 01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,519 this is not for you, but the way that it takes a turn, 662 01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:29,199 and this is where it started, I mean it's already weird, like when 663 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,559 you're in it and you were saying at the very towards the very beginning, 664 01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:36,440 you can really tell if you've ever dealt with someone with mental illness, if 665 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,960 you have mental illness yourself, all the markers are there where. It's just 666 01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:45,239 like both very well done too, not overly done, but well done. 667 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,440 And we were talking before today. An essay just came out that Sam Neil 668 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:57,280 reposted on his Instagram. Someone wrote about how it's the first depiction in film 669 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:02,800 of how he felt as a no on catatonic, manic depressive, which in 670 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,480 nineteen eighty three is extraordinary to have on film, and it wouldn't have happened 671 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,119 in Hollywood. It had to be no. I think the director is at 672 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,800 Is. He's either German or Polish, but he didn't like po Yeah, 673 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:22,440 and he didn't make many films after this, if any, So he that's 674 01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,280 he. He went on to make a few. Um, but he had 675 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,719 to leave Poland to make films because of course that was behind the Iron Curtain 676 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:37,920 at the time, so he went to Germany and West Germany and made films 677 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:44,599 in Europe. Um. Yeah, you're right. I've never seen a Hollywood 678 01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:52,760 film from that time period that could compare to that. For showing what um, 679 01:01:52,239 --> 01:02:00,280 extreme mental illness can look like. Um, you know, and that 680 01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:05,440 messed me up because I thought, oh, well, there's not really paranormal 681 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:08,760 things happening in here at all. It's just it's just people are really really 682 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,480 mess Like I said, you know, hey, guys, please just call 683 01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:19,079 your therapists. Um. And you know you've got an emergency here, you 684 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,079 got a medical emergency. You need to call your therapists. It's Germany, 685 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,840 so there's there's got to be some because that's where therapy happened and started, 686 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,639 So come on now, please. And I really thought that's what it was 687 01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:32,440 going to be, and then it wasn't. And then I said, well, 688 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:40,920 maybe this is just the psychotic understanding of one person that this is all 689 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:45,960 in her mind and it's not really you know, happened. No, that's 690 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:52,800 not any either. Yeah, And I mean it takes a turn. It 691 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:57,400 takes a very hard left turn. I mean you're already veering towards the left 692 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:01,440 through the beginning. But the I mean isabel l Johnny as well, is 693 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:08,159 you can tell very mentally ill, as they both are. But right at 694 01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:12,119 the point where you're thinking that's all it is, even up to the very 695 01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:21,159 minute is the miscarriage scene. Yep, yeah, which is about I think 696 01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:25,239 it's about three minutes long, and it is. It's really long, absolutely 697 01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:31,079 excruciating. And do you think that's you know, you think you're she's having 698 01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:39,039 a psychotic breakdown, but she is, but she is also expectorating something, 699 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,960 yes, And through the rest of the movie. I don't want to give 700 01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:49,199 two too much away because I want people to go watch it, but that's 701 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:55,639 where it really gets strange. And I've had so many like theories about this 702 01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,400 movie just kind of bouncing around in my head because it's got it's got everything. 703 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:08,199 It has doublegangers, it's got body horror, it's got feminist perspective, 704 01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:12,320 it's you know, it has all that. And the way that I was 705 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,960 watching it before is like it really is a commentary on motherhood in the most 706 01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:24,400 extreme way, where you have Isabella Johnny who she's got Sam Neil, she's 707 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,840 got her kid, and this is what she's supposed to want, right, 708 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,559 but you find out she has this whole different life and she has this whole 709 01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:38,880 like everything bubbling up inside her even when she like when she's having the psychotic 710 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,280 breakdown miscarriage, when she's smashing her shopping and her eggs all over the place. 711 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,639 It's it's like a performance art scene. And nothing on that point. 712 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:56,480 Nothing distills that for me in the for the movie, besides the posters of 713 01:04:56,639 --> 01:05:00,199 the movie. So the original, Yeah, the original was that really beautiful. 714 01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:05,039 I forget the name of the artist, but he was a famous European 715 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:12,840 poster artist who died recently. And it just shows like the upper torso of 716 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,280 a woman with her head thrown back and it's painted with a snake coming down 717 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:24,599 and like I think it's biting her breast. But then the American release of 718 01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,880 it was like turn it looked like a cover of Hustler. It had like 719 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,159 this woman her back to the camera and it just like like just a little 720 01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:40,280 bit of bum crack and it's completely different than I feel bad for whoever went 721 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,000 to that thinking they were going to see a sexy, nudy film and got 722 01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:48,760 possessions. No, it's like whoever took their date out on their first date 723 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:56,599 out to see Black Swan because it's a girls movie. I mean it is, 724 01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:01,360 but maybe not it is, but yeah, but that and uh, 725 01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:08,000 but watching it recently, I did get a lot more of like Jesus and 726 01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:13,960 Mary type of symbolism than I have. Yeah, and this will all make 727 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,519 sense for whoever decides to go and watch it. Yeah, it's worth watching. 728 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,360 Definitely. Um, although I did yell at the screen a few times, 729 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:28,000 you know, because I was like, no, no, it doesn't 730 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,440 have to go this badly, y'all. It doesn't have to Yeah, because 731 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,679 you know, even the even the lover in the film, her lover shows 732 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,599 up at one point to try to talk to Sam Neil, and first off, 733 01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:44,280 he's a very touchy man. You know, he's got his hands on 734 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,360 either side of Sam Neil's face. I'm like, are you gonna kiss him? 735 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,440 Dude? Is this is? Are we? I mean, that's fine 736 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,480 with me. It's not gonna bother me, but it might bother sam Neil. 737 01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:56,360 I don't know. His character's pretty on the edge, dude, maybe 738 01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,559 you shouldn't. And then you know, the next time you see the man, 739 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,199 he's he's starting to go a little bit psycho and you're like, dude, 740 01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:11,559 somebody here has to have a doctor, y'all. Please don't. It 741 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,719 doesn't have to go bad. It doesn't, but it does. It does. 742 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,679 Even if they did. I don't know what the therapist would do at 743 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:24,440 that point, you know, I know, right, uh yeah, oh 744 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:29,159 my god, her boyfriend in that movie, he's like he's everything. Ye, 745 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:33,320 Like I don't I don't like digging on Americans because everyone does it. 746 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,559 We don't need to do it to ourselves. But he's everything that like your 747 01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:43,239 average, you know, middle class American dad would think of a European if 748 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:48,199 they had never met one. Yeah, like that's just very like fluid open 749 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:55,760 silk shirt but still like completely manicured, an immaculate, suave man who lives 750 01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:01,800 with his mother. Yes, it did it? Yeah? Yeah, well 751 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:08,239 yeah, but you're right, it is. He is kind of a stereotype 752 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:15,719 walking around of of a metrosexual, um euro metrosexual. Not American, No, 753 01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:25,000 definitely not. And yeah and then yeah, no, that is a 754 01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:30,079 really good movie. Um it again. I don't know what to tell you 755 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:38,319 except your expectations as you go along are gonna change. And then you're still 756 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:43,359 going to be going, what the hell happened here? And oh my god? 757 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:49,720 What is? What is? And there is definitely paranormal stuff happening because 758 01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:57,239 yeah, part of it, you just that's just not part of our reality. 759 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:03,319 So thank god, yes, and I'm hoping also only adults need to 760 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:10,039 watch this. Yes, I'm glad. I'm glad. I wanted to mention 761 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:16,079 that to you because I know that fox like Foxes, he heard the screaming. 762 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,000 I wasn't going to let him watch it, but he heard screaming from 763 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,039 the other rooms, A mom, what are you watching? Like in the 764 01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:30,119 horror film they're supposed to be screaming Honey's And he's like, Okay, I'm 765 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,159 not gonna I'm like, no, you're not. We're not going to go 766 01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:39,560 there. Yeah, even if you have a particularly precocious teenager or something, 767 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:45,159 I would I would advise against, Yeah, just for their their brains, 768 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,199 especially if they're still like if their adolescents and they're still discovering their sexuality. 769 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,880 Don't cross the streams on this one. Just wait. No, Yeah, 770 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,960 that's a That's definitely how I feel about it. And really, if you 771 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:04,800 if Body Horror squicks, you don't even try. Because I'm on the edge 772 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:10,079 of being unable to watch Body Horror, but I made it, But that 773 01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:13,239 doesn't mean that everybody can. So if you're on the edge of it, 774 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,800 just you know, maybe look it up at wikipedias. You get an idea 775 01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:21,960 and then decide. Yeah, but my meter is if you can handle like 776 01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:29,960 extreme Cronenberg, like if you can handle Crash, you can handle dead Ringers, 777 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,359 and I mean the brood is a little bit is uh yeah, if 778 01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:38,560 you can handle those three, then you can handle possession. If you can't 779 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:45,880 do not, yes, yes, so yeah, and Cronenberg is actually what 780 01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:49,439 came to mind for me. I was like, I thought Cronenberg was the 781 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,159 one that blew in my mind, but nope, nope, nope, this 782 01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:57,600 director beats him out For me. I was like, uh, so, 783 01:10:58,039 --> 01:11:05,800 yep, that's pretty amazing. And it does start out so banal and like 784 01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:11,359 just yeah, these people are having trouble. All that's sad, So this 785 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,840 is gonna be a psychodrama. Oh no it's not. Oh okay, all 786 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,920 right, yeah, oh sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. 787 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,960 It just plays with so many genres in a way that I have not seen 788 01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:28,520 in a film since it's really orinary. I hope that with its wide release 789 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,039 via Shutter and Shutter not a sponsor, but we love it. It's great. 790 01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:39,960 Yeah, it's so good for so many things. Yeah, with its 791 01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:45,920 right wide release, I really hope it receives more critical attention from horror people 792 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:49,520 and from film people at large, because it really has not received much attention 793 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:54,720 in that like academic or scholarly attention in that way, which is a shame. 794 01:11:55,279 --> 01:12:00,319 It's always been the missing piece of me in like it even for Shutter, 795 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,279 like they had their they redid one hundred their one hundred scariest movie moments 796 01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:09,640 or something, and like there there was no mention of Shutter. There was 797 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,960 no mention of Possession anywhere, and that that keeps happening. It drives me 798 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,800 crazy. So now now people will know the secrets are Yeah, definitely, 799 01:12:16,319 --> 01:12:25,800 And uh, the other thing I was going to say was it's just maybe 800 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,119 maybe don't watch it when you're alone in the house or anything like that. 801 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:35,800 Yeah, if you have issue, if you have issues with anxiety depression. 802 01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:45,239 Yeah, we're giving a pharmacy side effects. Um yeah right, ask your 803 01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:55,960 doctor before watching, ask your doctor of possession is right for you. Yeah. 804 01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:02,359 Okay, Well now that now that we've horrified people and hopefully gotten other 805 01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,079 people interested, there is a film that you can watch with your kid. 806 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,239 Yeah, and it's we're gonna we're gonna come at that one next and it's 807 01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:15,640 called ParaNorman. And I did not think I would love this movie as much 808 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:25,640 as I do. Um. I thought it was just another silly animation for 809 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,479 kids. Um. It didn't look like it was going to be of the 810 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,199 quality that I tend to like because I do love animation, and I watch 811 01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:38,039 kids movies shamelessly. I have no shame. I will watch it. I 812 01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:42,399 don't care, but only if it's really good. Um that you know, 813 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,880 like I'm not that fond of Hotel Transylvania, um. And you know, 814 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:54,399 stuff like that's just really geared towards kids. I like stuff that has some 815 01:13:54,640 --> 01:14:00,920 adult stuff happening in there, and paranormal is or paranormal is one of them. 816 01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:02,359 And yes, it has the paranormal in it, not just in the 817 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:11,399 title. It's about a boy who can see ghosts and interact with ghosts, 818 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:19,800 and it's a really it goes in so many places and you think, oh, 819 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,520 man, you know this kid gets bullied, and you know he has 820 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:30,359 one friend who also gets bullied, and his parents don't understand him and kind 821 01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:33,199 of poop on him, you know. The dad, especially the dad's kind 822 01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:40,000 of a a douche. I just didn't like it. You know, he 823 01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:45,840 has a sister who is very, very shallow and she picks on him for 824 01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:53,880 being, you know, a nerd. But by the end, the whole 825 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:59,560 family comes together and it's kind of like Bob's Burgers in that way. You 826 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,319 look at Bob's Burgers and you think, oh my god, these people are 827 01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:05,239 all horrible. You know, the kids are terrible, parents are not great. 828 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,640 But what comes about is they all love each other and they stand by 829 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:16,359 each other. And that's actually how it happens in this movie. But oh 830 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:24,039 and the grandmother is super cool as well. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 831 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:30,039 And Norman loves to watch monster movies and horror movies, so he's one 832 01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:34,680 of us, um, And he's always watching horror movies with his grandmother and 833 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:41,800 that's really cool and I really love it, um. But the basic plot 834 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:50,159 is is there is a ghost in the town, which is a town known 835 01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:56,600 for having killed witches, so it's like Salem, but it isn't Salem. 836 01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:04,000 And their whole tourist thing is about witches and killing witches, so it's it's 837 01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:09,880 got it's kitchy stuff, you know, and that's what it is. That's 838 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:15,039 their history and they celebrate it. And uh, that's interesting, but you 839 01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:19,760 know, I digress, um. But the the bullies in the school are 840 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:26,920 particularly awful. Um. And then you find out that there's all of that. 841 01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:32,399 They're supposedly a curse, and then you find out what happens when the 842 01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,640 curse actually happens, and you go, oh, no, it's not just 843 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:43,479 a story, it's a real thing. So it's a it's an adventure. 844 01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:48,800 Um. There's lots of ghosts, lots of zombies, UM, lots of 845 01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:58,159 adults not knowing what the heck to do. Um. There's a football player 846 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:02,840 who's the popular kid in school who Norman's sister throws herself at him, and 847 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,880 it turns out he's gay. And then they just end up being best friends, 848 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,960 which is fine, you know, and at first she's taken aback, 849 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:18,960 but no, then they become friends. That's basically the story without telling you 850 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:26,840 the operative parts of the story, and it very much has the Like I 851 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,960 said, there's ghosts everywhere. Norman walks to school and says hi to the 852 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,560 ghosts along the way, which is really cute. It was such a charming 853 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:43,920 movie that I again, I don't really watch children's movies often just because I'm 854 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,039 not really around children that often, so I was I completely missed this one. 855 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,720 I haven't seen Hotel Transylvania. I don't. I think the most recent 856 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,880 thing I watched I won't. I probably won't that was even close to it 857 01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:58,960 was the Wednesday series, which was fine. Yes, that was fine, 858 01:17:59,119 --> 01:18:03,239 Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, But this, in particular, it's 859 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:10,000 a movie I wish I had had when I was growing up because the way 860 01:18:10,079 --> 01:18:15,520 that they approach this kid with abilities. Yeah, he's ostracized, he's bullied. 861 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,279 He even the one friend he has he tries to push away because he's 862 01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:21,840 like, no, I'm too weird for you, man, like you'll just 863 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:27,119 go anyway. And then I love his friend, his friends so cute and 864 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:34,840 when he and he gains his friend by using his power in a very sad 865 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:42,560 but cute way. And what I really enjoyed about it too was the way 866 01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:46,479 that they take the scary things and make them not so scary in that it 867 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:55,439 teaches people to or the viewers who are I would assume our children are teaching 868 01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:03,159 them like the like the Puritan Zombies, which for me was just like it's 869 01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:09,520 just like having grown up in New England and in Salem. It was very 870 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:16,439 much like in the in Scooby Doo, in The Witch's Ghost that problematic classic. 871 01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:25,159 Yeah, yeah, where Oh Caven and the fake Stephen King Tim Curry 872 01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:29,600 character, we'll talk about We'll talk about that at some other time. But 873 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:34,119 this this just kind of fake Salem where I think I think about this often 874 01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:40,760 being in history and having the experiences that I do, where I just can't 875 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,800 imagine actual Purits, like the Purits is in New England showing up like just 876 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,880 being dropped into where they settled. Now, so many peoples they wouldn't like 877 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,279 I can't imagine. I can't even imagine, and they do a really good 878 01:19:56,359 --> 01:20:02,960 job of showing like how they how those people would react. And then with 879 01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:09,439 the conceptualization of the Witch herself, which again we shouldn't I don't want to 880 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,520 spoil it in case people want to go watch it, but the way that 881 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:19,079 Norman sees the ghosts and the way that he learns to empathize with this witch 882 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:25,920 and how she reconciles ultimately with herself is just so. It was so well 883 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,000 done, and it's a very there's scary parts, especially for little little kids, 884 01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:39,039 but very gentle movie otherwise while still getting the point. Yeah, and 885 01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:43,399 it's funny. There's parts of it that are just bloody hilarious. Yeah, 886 01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:46,600 yeah, great time and great writing. They really did a good job. 887 01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:53,880 Yeah, and there are callbacks to Scooby Doo of course, because there's a 888 01:20:53,960 --> 01:21:00,680 van and there's the football player with the blonde hair, so there he is. 889 01:21:01,039 --> 01:21:09,840 Yeah, and it's just so much fun and it's worth watching. And 890 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,560 I've seen it like three or four times now because every time I you know, 891 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,960 I saw it in the movie theater because Fox was too little and was 892 01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:23,000 too timid to see it, but Zach and I wanted to know, so 893 01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:24,800 we went to see it. We liked it, and then I had to 894 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:30,960 take MORGANA and then finally we got to watch it with Fox and MORGANA at 895 01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:35,039 home, and then we watched it again Fox and I together this past summer. 896 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:41,239 So it's it's and you pick up little things every time you watch it 897 01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:46,119 that you didn't quite catch the first time. So it's definitely worthwhile. And 898 01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:51,880 I have to wonder too, as far as my going back to my experience 899 01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:58,840 with The Shining, I'm not sure if I'll have my kids watch The Shining 900 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,840 at age seven or eight. Not sure, Yeah, yeah, probably not. 901 01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:10,319 But the contrast of that being with something like ParaNorman, where yeah, 902 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,079 he finds he's the weirdo at the beginning, and by the end he's still 903 01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:18,760 the weirdo, but he's been accepted and people understand it. And just the 904 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:28,439 way that this movie, as an animated film can conceptualize what a young child 905 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,880 with abilities would see, like just walking down the street and seeing ghosts everywhere. 906 01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:39,159 I really have to wonder how many children coming up now who grew up 907 01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:44,680 with ParaNorman and who see ParaNorman are going to embrace their gifts more because they 908 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,319 aren't afraid of them, because growing up, I was terrified of the things 909 01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:51,279 that I saw, Like it took me a really long time to both accept 910 01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:58,279 them and not be afraid of them because my only media interaction with them was 911 01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:04,720 scary things. Yeah, and like I've had to do a lot of wall 912 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:12,439 tearing down that I just did instinctively to keep myself saying because of all the 913 01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,960 stuff I was seeing, And there's still a lot of work to be done 914 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,079 in that arena. So I really had this whole positive power normal thing. 915 01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:23,399 And I was just talking with a friend of about this recently seeing you know, 916 01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:28,199 The Gang of There was a really cute little cartoon I saw on Instagram 917 01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:34,119 of like cartoon Mothman, cartoon Bigfoot, the Fresno night Walkers, and the 918 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,319 Flatwoods Monster and they're all together and it just said it said on the bottom 919 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,319 you can sit with us, and I was like, oh, that's so 920 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:50,479 cute, so cute, and I was just like wow, Like it's very 921 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:58,000 nice now that there's more of a an accepting community around it to kind of 922 01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:04,039 to build people not you don't even need to have special abilities or gifts or 923 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:09,920 perceptions, like if you're just interested in the paranormal. It's it seems like 924 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,800 it's so much easier now for people to get into it in a safe, 925 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,760 friendly way because they can find others who are interested. So I'm really interested 926 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:23,199 to see like what comes out of the generation that grew up with movies like 927 01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:27,119 ParaNorman or with Wednesday. Because I didn't have it and I'm and I'm not 928 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:30,880 even that old, like yeah, and then you come over to me and 929 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,960 I am that old, and there was you know, nothing I I I 930 01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:43,079 learned it the hard way. I watched the Universal Monster movies, so you 931 01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:50,000 know, classics, and my mom gave me in fourth grade at Grellan Poe's 932 01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:59,800 Tales of Terror and oh, and my dad watched um World War two documentaries 933 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,880 that had you know, lots of you know, footage from terrible places like 934 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:14,399 concentration camps, and so I'm kind of hardcore, right And then people wonder, 935 01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,520 why why is she? Why does she have nightmares and night terrors? 936 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:24,359 I don't know, It's funny. Para Norman was the first zombie movie I've 937 01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:29,439 watched in a really long time because in a loving horror my dad loves zombie 938 01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,720 films. So I have seen I've seen all of them. I've seen so 939 01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:38,479 many zombie movies, but I would have that's the only thing. I would 940 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:44,680 have horribly intend zombie nightmares all the way through adulthood. And finally when it 941 01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,199 came to it was it was a combination of quarantine and like just being stuck 942 01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:53,399 in the house and all that that we were watching the original George ramire Is 943 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:58,840 The Crazies, So we watched that and then my dad, my dad's always 944 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:03,920 like creature double echa, and so we turned on the original Dawn of the 945 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:12,039 Dead and the scene where the girl is trapped in the room, the storage 946 01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:16,760 room with the zombie Harry Krishna. Yes, I was done. I was 947 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,560 like, I can't watch this anymore. And I haven't watched zombie movie since 948 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:28,560 in my nightmares have gone way down there you go. So that's that's become 949 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,199 my My nope is zombies because you need something, something needs to break. 950 01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:36,920 But I definitely I understand what you mean as far as like I was, 951 01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:41,319 I think I may be the last, or very close to it, the 952 01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:45,840 last generation of kids who just gotten that one section of the Dewey decimal system 953 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,800 in the library and went to town because that was that was so much of 954 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:55,840 my childhood was just that one aisle. Yep, me too. And I 955 01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:00,239 mean when you're let loose on that, we didn't. I mean I probably 956 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,039 read many of the same books you did, because growing up in like the 957 01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:05,600 nineties, in their early two thousands, it was still hard to get those 958 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:11,119 books and left was like stuff from the sixties, like sixties through the eighties 959 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,199 is what we we all came up on. It's just like like maybe kids 960 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:18,239 aren't doing the hard research now, but they can. They don't have to 961 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:24,600 be thrown in the deep end and that's yeah, yeah, And they don't 962 01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:29,239 necessarily have to, you know, suddenly start seeing ghosts and not know who 963 01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:32,199 to talk about it, you know with you know, they they they have. 964 01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:36,279 Yeah. I mean the Internet is fraught with danger for you know, 965 01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:44,439 children, young adults and people. But still there's there's good in the ability 966 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,760 to reach out to somebody and say, hey, this thing happened, why 967 01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:56,720 did it happen? You know, and and that's that's valuable, very much 968 01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,159 so. And I think, yeah, there are the there's death, the 969 01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:02,560 evils of the Internet and all that, but I think there's so much There 970 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,079 are so many people, especially like in podcasts now, I mean you have 971 01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:14,000 people like like Tim Renner and even to the extent the Sasquash Chronicles and your 972 01:28:14,079 --> 01:28:21,239 podcast. I think there are enough responsible, paranormal loving and weird stuff loving 973 01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:27,079 adults that I like. And because we are a community. If like, 974 01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:30,880 if you see something someone doing something weird like other like, there'll be three 975 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,720 adults who are on them in a second. Yeah. I see it all 976 01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,079 the time, and it gives me such hope because it's like no, no, 977 01:28:36,119 --> 01:28:41,640 no, not like just just form a circle around the child and usher 978 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,239 them away. Yeah, And it happens more often than not. Yeah, 979 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,680 And I appreciate that very greatly because that, you know, that's another thing 980 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:55,159 we didn't really have We didn't know who we could talk to. Hm. 981 01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:59,680 You know, I talked to my librarian. She was my safe space lady 982 01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:03,720 that I could talk to and she was very non judgmental, so that was 983 01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:10,079 helpful. But most people didn't have that. Yeah, yeah, God bless 984 01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:14,199 yeah, my God, bless the librarians of the towns in public library. 985 01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:16,680 A lot of them are still there. And yeah, just the nicest ladies 986 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:21,079 who especially in the children's library, because they had the scariest, the scary 987 01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:26,079 stories, telling the dark books. All those are great, all those sweet 988 01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:29,439 children's librarians. They put up with so much of my bs. But they 989 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:36,479 had a great they had a great h paranormal selection for children's books. Surprisingly, 990 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,840 it was just meant to happen. And yeah, so moving on, 991 01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:48,680 what's our next movie, because I think the last one, our very last 992 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:53,000 one, is The Others. Ah, yes, so it does tie in 993 01:29:53,079 --> 01:30:00,479 with children, and it sure does. It's like we planned it. Uh 994 01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:06,319 that that's this is It's another movie that is very much my core of horror. 995 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:13,640 I love the Others. I do too, mm hmm. Yeah, 996 01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:19,680 we both picked The Others when we when we planned this this episode because yeah, 997 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:25,800 we both picked the Others, and we both picked the wicker Man telling. 998 01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,840 Yeah, Um, the Others is one of I think it's one of 999 01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:40,199 the best Haunted House movies. Um, there's a few others that are really 1000 01:30:40,279 --> 01:30:47,439 really good. Most of them are early films. This one is just beautifully 1001 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:57,119 done. And Nicole Kidman is amazing as the mother in the film m HM, 1002 01:30:58,359 --> 01:31:06,800 who is taking care of too little kids and is alone and two two 1003 01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:13,159 sick little kids with a very rare disease where they can be in light. 1004 01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,760 Yes, that's right, I forgot that little detail. Yeah. It's one 1005 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:23,760 of those movies that leads you along and then and you're going, oh, 1006 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,600 okay, yeah, I know what's going to Oh I know what's happening, 1007 01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:31,560 Okay, and no I don't. Yes, And it's just so it's it's 1008 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,560 another movie that I mean, you have the creepy little kids, you have 1009 01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:43,239 creepy little kids drawings, you have in home home intruders, you just you 1010 01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:46,920 have a mentally unstable mother. It's it's another one of those that has many 1011 01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:53,159 of the same, like similar elements. I will call i'll you know, 1012 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,680 not so much tropes, because when this movie was made, this was like 1013 01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:00,960 the early two thousands, so that it was before a lot of those tropes 1014 01:32:01,079 --> 01:32:05,760 kind of came about. And it's just it is, it's just such a 1015 01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:13,399 beautifully filmed movie. It's very English Gothic, what what it um? I 1016 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,039 know they took a lot of inspiration from The Innocence, Yeah, after Turning 1017 01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:20,279 of the Screw and that's that. You can definitely see that in this Yes, 1018 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:26,079 which is another fantastic film and story. It's I think that's the only 1019 01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,039 I've read a lot of Henry James, and that's the only one I've read 1020 01:32:30,079 --> 01:32:35,119 more than once because it's short. Yes, he's very it's very talkative, 1021 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:43,239 lots of lots of yeah exposition, very atmospheric though he does well with the 1022 01:32:43,319 --> 01:32:49,239 atmosphere. But yeah, yeah, his descriptions are fantastic. But the yeah, 1023 01:32:49,319 --> 01:32:55,000 and it also hearkens back a lot because it is I believe it was 1024 01:32:55,199 --> 01:33:00,119 an American production. I think it was Mirrormax. But it's very it reminds 1025 01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:06,279 me quite a bit of the English, like pre hammer horror, English gothic 1026 01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:13,079 movies. Yeah, yeah, as well as the stories of like Mr James, 1027 01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:18,239 and that's sort of school of thought. And it's a pre or it's 1028 01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:28,039 a post World War two movie where they Nicole Kidman and her children live in 1029 01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:31,359 this big manner, completely cut off from the outside world, and then all 1030 01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:38,880 of a sudden they get three people coming up to that have not only are 1031 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,840 here to take care of the place and offer their services, but have been 1032 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,800 to this house before and worked there before. And it's it's just it has 1033 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:57,560 so many great elements of mystery and really just suspense. That's that. It's 1034 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,159 so it's such a like jaw clenching movie. Even now when I watch it, 1035 01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:03,560 and I've seen it a hundred times, I'm just like, I find 1036 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:09,039 myself curled up in a little ball watching. Yeah, it's tense, It's 1037 01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:14,520 very tense. One of my favorite actors is also in it, um, 1038 01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:23,840 Chris eccleston, and he's her husband. He shows up and they're on one 1039 01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:31,079 of the Channel islands that were occupied during the war. So it's either Guernsey 1040 01:34:31,159 --> 01:34:35,760 or Jersey. I don't remember which one, Um, but they were occupied 1041 01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:42,760 by the Nazis and the people who lived there lived under Nazi rule and it 1042 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,960 was it was bad. Um. So that's part of a tension as well. 1043 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:55,479 And then yes, you have you have home invasions happening, noises, 1044 01:34:57,039 --> 01:35:03,479 pianos playing when no one's there to play them, you know, strange footsteps 1045 01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:11,199 right outside the door and you open the door and nobody's there. And Nicole 1046 01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:15,560 Kidman is trying to protect her children. Once you realize that that she's where 1047 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:21,439 where they're living, then you can get the paranoia because she's worried about an 1048 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:31,159 actual invasion of soldiers from another country, and so her extreme paranoia, her 1049 01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:38,359 extreme fear. Then it makes sense. And then her husband, the soldier, 1050 01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:44,479 shows up, and then there are questions, and we don't want to 1051 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,560 go too far because we don't want to spoil it. If you haven't seen 1052 01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:54,079 it, yes, absolutely, if you haven't seen it, it's definitely as 1053 01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:57,399 far as watching it with children goes. Because there are children in it, 1054 01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,399 I mean, doesn't qualify it as immediately as a children a children's film, 1055 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:10,399 but in contrast to something like Possession or even the Shining to an extent, 1056 01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,119 i'd say, I mean, Danny is definitely a character, but the two 1057 01:36:14,279 --> 01:36:21,880 children in the others fantastic children child actors. They are fully fleshed out characters, 1058 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:28,079 which you don't get very often in children's acting, especially at that time. 1059 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,479 Yeah, and it also it has Yeah, it has a lot of 1060 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:40,279 the qualities of the older films of that time. It reminds me also quite 1061 01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:44,520 a bit of Night of the Hunter and just how like that, how dreamy 1062 01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,279 it gets at some points. Yes, Night of the Hunter is a fantastic 1063 01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:53,920 film. It is. It is, and that's that's one where include that 1064 01:36:54,279 --> 01:36:59,119 I'd included in this. If you have I'd say a precocious child, because 1065 01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:01,880 there's nothing in it. It's tense and you don't have things. It's not 1066 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:08,479 a jump scare movie and it doesn't have anything like there's no gore, there's 1067 01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:14,680 no nothing like that. There's nothing that would like traumatize a child. But 1068 01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:19,159 it's kind of a beginner's art film in the same way that Night of the 1069 01:37:19,279 --> 01:37:24,680 Hunter is in that like I would show a precocious child that if like I 1070 01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:30,000 knew, they could handle it and not have nightmares, right, because it 1071 01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:32,680 is. It's clean, and it's well done, and it's tight, and 1072 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,600 it does it leads to a lot of questions. I remember when I saw 1073 01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,239 it. I saw it when it came not when it came out in theaters, 1074 01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:44,319 but shortly after, and I was still pretty young at that point. 1075 01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:47,159 But it was the first. I mean, I was still it was still 1076 01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:50,840 how I was kind of conceptualizing my vocabulary of trying to tell people what I 1077 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:59,159 was seeing. And because I would get a lot of situations like that where 1078 01:38:00,199 --> 01:38:02,920 I would have something blow by me, or I would or something would move, 1079 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,560 and I would have to explain what I saw, and that was a 1080 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:10,640 type of movie that really helped me to do that. Yeah, it gives 1081 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:20,119 you a vocabulary to explain your experiences. It's it's also just so beautiful and 1082 01:38:20,319 --> 01:38:25,960 claustrophobic. So they're in this huge house, right, but they really only 1083 01:38:26,079 --> 01:38:33,399 live in a few rooms of this huge house, and it just their living 1084 01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:39,560 space just gets tighter and tighter, and they have the the window shades drawn 1085 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:44,399 and the curtains closed all the time, and the mother will freak out if 1086 01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:50,600 sunlight comes in because of the children's illness, which is never truly explained, 1087 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:58,119 but then later you figure it out, and so she just she she just 1088 01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:06,159 shrinks their world down smaller and smaller, and you really feel for the kids, 1089 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:12,880 you really feel for the mom, and it's it's it's also physically just 1090 01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:18,279 beautiful to look at. HM. Yes, it's the claustrophobia there. That's 1091 01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:21,600 another theme in the movies for the most part that we've picked, which was 1092 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:27,800 funny, how it is the noose just tightens and yeah, it's there. 1093 01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,600 It's such a highly regimented way of life that she's set up for them, 1094 01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:38,199 like locking. Not only does she close the doors behind them, everywhere they 1095 01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:42,720 go, she locks them. And it's just there's just so much in that. 1096 01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:45,439 It's it's one of those movies that every time you watch it again you 1097 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:49,479 see something else and it just gets packed in. Yeah. The sound of 1098 01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:56,640 the rattle of the keys that she carries is and because of course it's the 1099 01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:04,560 big old fashioned keys and it's just oh oh yeah. And the furniture with 1100 01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:10,880 the sheets yep. Yeah, there's a lot of trump there. Yeah. 1101 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,359 Uh yeah, there's a lot with that and there. It plays with your 1102 01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:18,279 mind as well that movie, because you don't know what you're seeing half the 1103 01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:24,000 time, so you question it and so as as the characters are questioning. 1104 01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:29,520 Its educational for young weirdos, because that was the first time I ever learned 1105 01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:39,439 about them. The memorial photos what are they called the photos in Victorian days 1106 01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,199 when they took of the dead. Yeah, the post mortems, I like, 1107 01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,640 yeah, my post mortem or memorials. Yes, and I had never 1108 01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:51,239 known about those. I have since seen many. I've sold them, I've 1109 01:40:53,159 --> 01:40:57,560 broke with them. I don't like them. Yeah, they're there. There's 1110 01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:01,520 something else I understand. I get it, I understand the concept, but 1111 01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:08,000 that's just not not my field of collecting. Yeah, no, no. 1112 01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:16,960 And there's also the invisible mother photographs, where the living child is sitting supposedly 1113 01:41:17,039 --> 01:41:21,439 on a chair by themselves, but really the mother is in the chair with 1114 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:29,880 a sheet over her holding the child. That is a messed up that That 1115 01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:35,560 one bothers me, almost as much as the post mortem ones, I think, 1116 01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:41,680 because it's just a little bit just why don't you just have the moms 1117 01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,359 sit there and hold the baby and just take the picture. Why do you 1118 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:49,000 have to put her under this shroud? What? What? What is the 1119 01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:55,680 logic here? There isn't any I don't understand it. Maybe they just wanted 1120 01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,439 the baby and the mother didn't want to be in the photo. Maybe, 1121 01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:05,479 but it's kind of a whole genre of photography, so who knows. Yeah, 1122 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,880 yeah, that's true. Yeah, my mine is. I mean, 1123 01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:16,399 I don't like I'm along with zombies, my embarrassing fear because ideal. I 1124 01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,439 deal with so many mccarb things, like I have friends who work for cemeteries 1125 01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:26,079 and people who collect human bones and different things, and my thing is wet 1126 01:42:26,199 --> 01:42:31,680 specimens and dead bodies I can't handle. Yeah. Yeah, the postmortems are 1127 01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,239 right out to begin with. But what gets me the most is when you 1128 01:42:35,359 --> 01:42:40,880 get the postmortems with a living person in them too, like they're posing with 1129 01:42:41,039 --> 01:42:45,079 the body, yeah, or a series of people in it. Yeah. 1130 01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:50,720 Yeah, yeah. Oh, And that's something I have to reconcile with my 1131 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:56,680 whole because I'm very death positive and I'm working on it, but I can't 1132 01:42:57,399 --> 01:43:02,800 like being that close to a corpse would be a no for me. I 1133 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:08,159 think the differences, of course, is they had funerals at home, and 1134 01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:15,560 they were more in touch with death as a reality and a thing that was 1135 01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,800 dealt with at home than we are. And and so far be it for 1136 01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:27,479 me to ridicule you for having that feeling, because it's it's considered fairly normal 1137 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:36,279 in our culture to be squipped out by that. So yeah, yeah, 1138 01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:42,640 and it's I conceptually, it's a thing I know of and I support, 1139 01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,359 Like I know Caitlin Dody, she supports the idea of people having burial or 1140 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,359 having wakes at home, and I do too, and like washing the body 1141 01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:58,479 and spending time with the body. I fainted in my high school biology class 1142 01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:02,680 because I had already cut through the breastbone of a frog, and then some 1143 01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,439 people had the fatal pig. And the last thing I remember is one of 1144 01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:13,319 my classmates asking the teacher if they could open the pig's skull and look at 1145 01:44:13,319 --> 01:44:15,680 its brains, and I hit the floor. Yep, Okay, yeah, 1146 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:23,399 yeah, I don't care. Is not the the the job for you, 1147 01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:30,039 don't it? Just don't no, So, I mean we've we've gone off 1148 01:44:30,079 --> 01:44:33,760 course. But yeah, definitely watch the others. Um if you're into ghosts, 1149 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:38,920 if you haven't seen it, don't look up the ending now now just 1150 01:44:39,079 --> 01:44:43,399 watch it straight through. It's not gonna be like Possession, where you know 1151 01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,119 we had to go through the okay, body horror, this that the other 1152 01:44:46,199 --> 01:44:50,680 thing. You know, it's not gonna get you that way. Yeah, 1153 01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,199 now, yeah, no, it really is. It does come across as 1154 01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:05,560 a psychological horror film, but it's it's it's the concept of being haunted and 1155 01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:14,119 haunting and it's just a beautiful film. And Nicole Kidman is great in it, 1156 01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:18,479 and the kids are really good too. With all of these movies, 1157 01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:23,840 there's that's why I get so riled up, and many people do, with 1158 01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:30,479 horror being like the rejected genre of all the critics and people thinking that horror 1159 01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:35,840 movies are just trash and etc. And sure there's crap in every genre for 1160 01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:41,520 one thing, yes, but they're so especially in horror, you get so 1161 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:46,840 much crossover with a movie like The Others or Possession or The Shining or what 1162 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:51,720 have you, because there's so much that goes into all of it. But 1163 01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,079 I don't know, it's it's a thing that drives me crazy. It drives 1164 01:45:57,079 --> 01:46:00,399 all horror fans crazy. But like when I tell people one of that The 1165 01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:04,720 Shining is not one of my favorite horror movies, it's one of my favorite 1166 01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:14,119 films right out. Like people from distinct schools who are in a very narrow 1167 01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:20,039 stream, like a very narrow stream of thought, don't they can't conceptualize that. 1168 01:46:20,119 --> 01:46:24,439 But it's a horror movie, and it's like, yeah, but it's 1169 01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,520 also a thriller. It's also this, it's also that, like there's so 1170 01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:32,680 much that goes in a good movie. Yeah, it's very well crafted, 1171 01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:42,720 it's well scripted, uh, amazingly acted, and it tells more than one 1172 01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,880 story in a way, because it's it's a mystery, as you say, 1173 01:46:47,039 --> 01:46:53,000 it's a it's a horror film. It's it's it's about life, it's about 1174 01:46:53,119 --> 01:47:00,640 death, it's about uh talk about being you know, feeling closed in and 1175 01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:06,880 claustrophobic that you know they're in this huge hotel, but it doesn't matter, 1176 01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:16,319 because it just gets smaller and smaller because there's it's just them and yeah, 1177 01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:20,239 and I know there are a lot of people now and perhaps rightly so, 1178 01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:26,079 I understand there are people who won't watch it because of how Kuber treated Shelley 1179 01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:33,920 Duval, and I can understand that perspective to a certain extent. But if 1180 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:40,439 you're a true film lover and you just want to experience it, like if 1181 01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:45,720 you really care about movies, you have to set that aside, because otherwise 1182 01:47:45,039 --> 01:47:49,479 you're not going to be able to watch a movie that what until like twenty 1183 01:47:50,279 --> 01:47:56,439 god, until movies were made incredibly recently, You're not going to be able 1184 01:47:56,479 --> 01:48:00,560 to watch movies because there's one director, there's one actor, there's one something 1185 01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:08,039 that did something awful. Yeah, and you have to learn to separate the 1186 01:48:08,199 --> 01:48:12,399 art from the artist in that way, if you want to experience media or 1187 01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:15,199 film in as an art form. Yeah, I don't you know this. 1188 01:48:15,359 --> 01:48:18,680 I'm just saying in general. Yeah, Yeah, that's something I hear a 1189 01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:24,319 lot from people who are like, oh, I don't I won't watch that 1190 01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:29,560 because this director did this, And it's just like, but they'll still freely 1191 01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,439 criticize it. It's like, you can't. You can't criticize the work. 1192 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:36,840 You can't criticize the book if you haven't read it. Yeah, And that's 1193 01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:41,039 basically how I feel. I don't care if you don't want to watch it 1194 01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:45,319 because of what a director said did whatever. I don't care. I mean 1195 01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,079 I won't watch. You know, somebody says I won't watch Polanski because you 1196 01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:53,439 know of what he did to the thirteen year old girl. Fine, I 1197 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:59,159 don't have a problem with that, But don't criticize the film. Criticize him 1198 01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:02,399 all you want. That's a matter of public record. You know you can. 1199 01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:05,199 You can go he was a terrible person, he's still a terrible person, 1200 01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,920 and I'll nod and go yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. 1201 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:14,119 But you can't say, you know, well, Rosemary's Baby was a 1202 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:17,920 crap film. Right, well, unless you saw it you thought it was 1203 01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:21,640 a crap film. You can't say that, you know. Yeah, it 1204 01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:27,680 does not affect the art. It does not affect the film. It doesn't 1205 01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:30,319 affect any film. Like I think, what was it we were talking earlier 1206 01:49:30,359 --> 01:49:35,600 about Nosferatu, the one with Klaus Kinsky in it, the yeah, the 1207 01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:43,479 oh no, the German director's just name went right out in my head. 1208 01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:47,640 Oh no, it's getting late. But um uh, it's not the Murnou 1209 01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:54,760 film. It's the remake. Yeah, the guy not getting his name Werner 1210 01:49:54,840 --> 01:50:00,479 Hurtzog, Werner Hurtzogs. Yes, yes, yeah, how can I forget 1211 01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:04,399 him? I know, right, I was just it just I love and 1212 01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:10,039 my brain just went now, yeah, I just kept hearing in my head, 1213 01:50:10,079 --> 01:50:12,239 I want to see the baby. I want to see the baby. 1214 01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:19,359 I know, right, that's that's what my brain is now. Media has 1215 01:50:19,399 --> 01:50:26,000 done to me. But yeah, so I think, and if we've been 1216 01:50:26,039 --> 01:50:29,119 talking for quite a while, this usually happens. Yeah, I think I 1217 01:50:29,239 --> 01:50:32,279 think we're at the end because we talked about all of them. So you 1218 01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:40,560 know, watch these movies and you know, think about movies that you like 1219 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:45,119 that have to do with the paranormal and and tell us about them because I 1220 01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:50,000 love to talk about movies. Um, it's kind of weird to talk about 1221 01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:56,319 movies on a podcast because you know, you want to have some film clips, 1222 01:50:56,439 --> 01:51:00,960 but then you get into copyright and all that mass. But I didn't, 1223 01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:02,479 you know, and I don't want to be on a video because blah 1224 01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:11,800 blah. But yeah, it's just tell us what you like and why you 1225 01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:15,640 like it, and that is you know, and maybe we'll do this again 1226 01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,479 if you guys had fun with it. Yeah, I'd love to do this 1227 01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:25,680 again. I'd also love to hear what other movies have introduced people to the 1228 01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:29,119 paranormal in that way. And I should have asked you at the beginning, 1229 01:51:29,359 --> 01:51:34,279 what was yours in the same instance that The Shining was for me. I 1230 01:51:34,399 --> 01:51:39,000 have to think about it for a minute. Oh, the tables have turned. 1231 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:47,079 I have to think about it for a minute. See. I would 1232 01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:55,720 honestly say it has to be one of the one of the universal horror films. 1233 01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:00,159 I think it was probably Bride of Frankenstein because I saw that before or 1234 01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:06,279 Frankenstein, and so the whole concept of bringing the dead to life came from 1235 01:52:06,359 --> 01:52:13,079 that film. Um, in my in my Universe, and then I went 1236 01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:18,680 from that to reading Mary Shelley. Um. And then another one that I 1237 01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:30,680 saw really early on would have been The Black Cat with Vincent Price. Yeah. 1238 01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:35,840 We watched like horror movies with my cousins like every weekend just about so 1239 01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:41,119 I was seeing all this stuff, and you know, it generally didn't bother 1240 01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:48,119 me because it wasn't um World War two when that was actually happening in front 1241 01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:51,960 of me, So it was much more easy for me to deal with. 1242 01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:57,640 I was never afraid of monsters as much as I was of other people. 1243 01:52:58,279 --> 01:53:02,079 M Yeah, that's that's fair. I was always more ghosts. Ghosts have 1244 01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:08,399 always been my thing. But I too grew up with the universal horror, 1245 01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:13,880 especially Frankenstein, and The Mummy was a big one for me. Oh yeah, 1246 01:53:14,079 --> 01:53:15,920 that's a good one. I have such a soft spot for the Mummy 1247 01:53:16,119 --> 01:53:23,119 in general. But what that was the first time I remember very clearly watching 1248 01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:28,039 it in my aunt's living room because she had the VHS where at the very 1249 01:53:28,119 --> 01:53:35,760 beginning when the handsome young archaeologists just cracks. Yeah, I remember that striking 1250 01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,560 me very deeply as a kid, where I was just like, oh, 1251 01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:46,000 he's gone wrong. Can adults do that does that happen to adults? Yeah, 1252 01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,479 that'll mess up your worldview right there as a kid. Oh, adults 1253 01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:57,800 can totally lose their crap and run around being all yeah yep. And then 1254 01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:02,159 there was Jack Nicholson in the Shining, so we know where your brain went 1255 01:54:04,079 --> 01:54:10,680 speaking of being a fro hell is other people? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, 1256 01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,720 and that's why the Shining did frighten me when I finally did see it. 1257 01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,479 So it was it was him. Now there were ghosts, but they 1258 01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:24,039 didn't scare me so much as he did. M hmm yeah, except that 1259 01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:29,479 dog mane and the man in the tuxedo he was blowing. Oh yeah that 1260 01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:34,720 that's yeah, that's that is some That was That was just me going what 1261 01:54:38,079 --> 01:54:45,520 where did that come from? Well? Thank you for coming back, um, 1262 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,359 and thank you for you know, recording it again. Okay it stays 1263 01:54:49,479 --> 01:54:54,439 this time, yes, and thank you for having me back. This is 1264 01:54:54,479 --> 01:54:57,399 really fun. I'd love to come back and do it again, and perhaps 1265 01:54:57,439 --> 01:55:00,119 more Ghana can come back. Maybe he'll have another guest whoever wants to join. 1266 01:55:00,359 --> 01:55:04,199 I love talking about and if I may give a shout out, is 1267 01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:09,079 that? Okay? Yes? Please? On the day we're recording is my 1268 01:55:09,319 --> 01:55:15,439 boyfriend Chris's birthday, so happy birthday. That's great. And you know we 1269 01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:19,520 had that coincidence of Sam Neil. Sam that was his favorite movie that he's 1270 01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:25,239 been in, this Possession, and I can see that he did some good 1271 01:55:25,279 --> 01:55:30,680 work on it. So yes, especially after seeing I watched Jurassic Park Dominion 1272 01:55:31,079 --> 01:55:38,319 in the same weekend that I rewatched Possession. Oh wow, that'll that'll give 1273 01:55:38,359 --> 01:55:41,399 you. That shook me a bit. I was like, oh, Sam 1274 01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:46,760 Neil, come back to drama. We need you. Well that's all for 1275 01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:51,079 this week's episode of the Six Degrees of John Keel podcast. If you have 1276 01:55:51,239 --> 01:55:55,960 any questions or thoughts about the podcast, or would like to come and talk 1277 01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,520 about your experiences of the paranormal, you can contact us at six d j 1278 01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:06,800 K sixty seven at gmail dot com. We promised even answer you, and 1279 01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,239 we are always happy to hear from you. Thank you.