1 00:00:12,759 --> 00:01:30,120 The two weeks ago, on episode four seventy eight, tonight's guest came on 2 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,040 and shared several dog me and encounters he's had with us. He's had more 3 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,079 experiences than the ones that he's shared on that show, So I asked him 4 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,079 if you'd come back to share those experiences and answer some questions I have for 5 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:45,640 him. So on tonight's show, he's going to share those encounters he didn't 6 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,840 have time to share with us and answer some questions. Of course, I'm 7 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,280 talking about Mike col Antonio. Mike, thanks so much for coming back. 8 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:59,040 Thank you for having me. Oh, you're welcome. If you've had a 9 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:00,959 dog me and encounter would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm 10 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,200 private or on the show, please go to dog mean Encounters dot com and 11 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:08,919 submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like to be 12 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,759 a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfoot 13 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,039 Sighting dot com. Mike, last time around, when you told us about 14 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:21,479 those encounters that you shared with this, there are several that you've had that 15 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,719 you didn't mention. Would you mind telling us about those? Now? Yeah? 16 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:30,599 Sure, there was one that happened and I normally don't give locations, 17 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:35,919 but that more or less boils down to my protection of the Sasquatch. These 18 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:42,960 dog men, I don't really have any relationship with them where I feel like 19 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,280 I should, So I'll just dive right in and tell you one of them 20 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:53,199 was at an asylum more or less, which has been turned into a place 21 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,560 where you can come in the daytime. Now, it used to be a 22 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,240 place. When I was a kid. It was. It's called King's Park 23 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:06,439 Psychiatric Center, and it was in connection with Pilgrim's State Psychiatric Center. But 24 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,639 Pilgrim's State is still somewhat open to this day, and kings Park is not. 25 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,560 And it used to be a place that we would go when we were 26 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:20,199 young, about you, young teenagers, And we would park far away and 27 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,120 sneak our way onto the property and find some of the big scary buildings and 28 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,520 find our way in if we could. And if we could, who had 29 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,919 the most guts to stay in the longest, And obviously, you know, 30 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,159 you tried to scare each other this than that. But little did we know 31 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,000 how much could have been possibly lurking in there. You know, we were 32 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,439 under the impression that at the worst we were going to come across maybe somebody 33 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,319 who was less fortunate and didn't have a roof over their head and might be 34 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,039 in there and might protect their you know, domain. And that was pretty 35 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,479 much as far as we thought. We didn't really necessarily even ghosts or anything 36 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,680 like that, but it was always said that it was haunted and because of 37 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:10,159 all the history and things that have happened there, from women dropping their children 38 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:15,560 out of the high story windows and things to that effect, and you know, 39 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:18,240 just very many, many, many horrible, horrible things that you can 40 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,800 hear. And I did actually work in a Pilgrim's state for quite a while 41 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,160 as a housekeeper, and I did go into multiple wards and there were some 42 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,680 things that go on in there that you know, you most people might not 43 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:38,639 be able to handle. Now pass forward to many many years later, which 44 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:44,560 is about two years ago, I was protecting it still. I was calling 45 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,879 it the Forgotten Land. I believe I was categorizing it as I've come up 46 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:57,000 with little names for places to protect locations. And remember coming through the woods 47 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,759 and I went through where I had parked. I went through the woods and 48 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:08,279 I came down and I had found some structures and things, but they didn't 49 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,720 necessarily look like they didn't look man made, but they didn't look like the 50 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:17,120 normal sasquatch things I'm used to. So I was kind of confused, but 51 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,480 I went about my business and made my way through, and I came up 52 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,120 and the other side it was it was down like a big bowl, you 53 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,839 know. And I came up the hill on the other side to one of 54 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:35,439 the huge, huge buildings, and these are massive, very very massive, 55 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:42,240 massive buildings. And I was scanning it and go near it, and you 56 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,360 know, just kind of filming it as I went. And I got close 57 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:50,240 to it, and a couple of times I had panned back towards the woodline, 58 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:56,879 and then you know, we turned back and would film the building. 59 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,519 And I was making a video from my chat on YouTube, and so I 60 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,879 was just talking and kind of somewhat distracted. But I had seen something behind 61 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:13,079 me and it didn't quite look right. But I again, I know I've 62 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,560 said this before, but I have to reiterate, we don't have there here. 63 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:24,439 We do not have coyote or wolves here. So if it's doesn't look 64 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:27,639 like a deer, you know, or it's a bigger than a deer or 65 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:32,439 hairrier than a deer chances are it's a cryptid and hence why I call it 66 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:38,959 the cryptid playground. So you'd imagine it's abandoned place with all these places to 67 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,240 go, and even underground tunnels that are exist from us might be even more 68 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,319 of a playground. But I remember when I came back, I turned back 69 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:55,199 and this particular one you can see it. This dog man is standing there 70 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:58,319 staring at me, and you can size him up next to the tree, 71 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:01,279 and there's a fire hydrant there. And as I went, you know, 72 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,959 earlier, down into that fishbowl of a wooded area and then came back up 73 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,560 the hill, i'd say to climb back up the hill across the board was 74 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,800 about a ten foot drop, and you can see as he just backpeddled, 75 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:21,680 he or she, I'm not sure, but as he or she just backpeddled 76 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:27,319 down down the hills, she just kind of faded away because I was on 77 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,879 a completely flat surface. But as I have my camera on it, it 78 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:35,519 must know that I'm coming back towards that way and that my camera's on it. 79 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:40,480 Was it watching me? Was it stalking me? I don't know. 80 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:46,879 That's that's kind of up to the listener and the viewers discretion, because I 81 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,439 don't have an answer to that, but I do know that that was a 82 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,839 sighting of what I would category as a dog man for sure. That being 83 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,560 said, that was pretty much the last time something happened there for quite a 84 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,519 while. And then I was back with another guy and he comes out with 85 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,920 me sometimes and he's one of my morning guys. He likes to come out 86 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:13,279 and as long as we go out early early, he's down. And that's 87 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,480 one of my favorite things to do, is go out, you know, 88 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,519 pre sunrise and trying to catch everything nocturnal that's going back and everything that's waking 89 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,040 up coming out. And my theory is that that's kind of a cryptid shift 90 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,240 change as well. So there was this particular time we're out there very very 91 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,159 early and we were watching the deer. We didn't see the dog man at 92 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:43,159 all, not at all. It was as stiff as a board and it 93 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,360 was hunched down. I mean, just like a dog would lay say, 94 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,600 you know if a dog saw a rabbit in your yard and it laid down 95 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:56,200 and just kind of stared at it and didn't want the rabbit to know it 96 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:00,559 was there, and it even put its tail down because it didn't the wagon's 97 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,440 tail and give it stuff away just like that, just like a sheep dog 98 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:07,200 would, you know, like just went straight down. But we didn't see 99 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:11,639 that part. We just saw it down at this point because as we were 100 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,080 watching, the deer crossed through this same fish bowl area of woods, the 101 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,600 same exact one is last time it cross cross crossed, and we're watching it, 102 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,600 and then as it almost intersects, we see we see the dog man 103 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:31,639 there and he is laying there and he is mind you, just dead still, 104 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,519 and it let the deer go by, and we just kind of decided 105 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,960 to address it, speak through it, each other about it, and we 106 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,720 decided to take our quickest leave in the other direction out of the tree line. 107 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:52,720 And you know, that was that whole location in a nutshell. There 108 00:09:52,759 --> 00:10:01,159 were other ones that occurred. One was in my and talk. I thought 109 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:07,120 I was looking at a sasquatch. Turns out it had it had some pointy 110 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:11,480 ears on it, and it doesn't quitely pick the bill for what for what 111 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,879 a sasquatch would be, And I thought it might have been a juvenile sasquatch. 112 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:18,559 But there's so many different things out there that you have to really really 113 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,279 you pay attention to detail, and sometimes sometimes right away what I want to 114 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,320 be there might cloud my judgment because I'm like, oh, look it's a 115 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,639 big poot. Yeah, but then it's it's not. And on this occasion 116 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,759 I think it was. It was. It was not so that being said, 117 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,960 it didn't move it. It pretty much looked like it wanted to be 118 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,360 as it wanted to project itself, to be as much of the log as 119 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:56,200 it could be. It wasn't necessarily you know, in the log or on 120 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:01,799 the log, but it was directly with it. You know, I had 121 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:09,879 itself proportioned perfectly against the color. It was the one tree in the entire 122 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,879 place that seemed to match its coat perfectly, you know, because the tree 123 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,679 happened to be dead, I believe. And that was the other time, 124 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,519 and again it just was something that we looked at. I called my buddy 125 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,200 over, I said, hey, do you see this? And he was 126 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,799 like wow, man, Like I don't know how you take these things out, 127 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,080 Like he's like, how do you see them out of all the woods? 128 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Like how do you just hone in on them? And then I said, 129 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,799 you know, I do this every day, but I just said do 130 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,320 you see it? And he says absolutely, and I said, what do 131 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,960 you think it is? He said, I cannot explain that to you, 132 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:48,679 and I said okay. So I called over another guy and I said, 133 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,000 hey, do you see this? And he, you know, with the 134 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,360 same, you know, the same breath, said like, oh my god, 135 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,799 like I don't know, and I said, okay, all right, 136 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,559 thank you, Like I just kind of wanted some confirmation because I don't usually 137 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:07,519 have confirmation. So I appreciate you guys. And those were probably the two 138 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,919 that maybe we left out last time that I can think of off the top 139 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:20,879 of my head. VIC what happened at Stoneybrook. Stoneybrook has these huge, 140 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,840 huge, huge grounds and a lot of places are unused. And I won't 141 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,879 give a specific to where it was, necessarily because I don't want anyone to 142 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:37,720 go chasing this type of stuff down, especially at night. But there is 143 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:46,720 some sections that are very very much unused and very very vast, vast woods, 144 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:52,120 and they have a lot a lot of grounds between it being a university 145 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:58,799 and major hospital and dormitories and different clinics and a lot of things. And 146 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,440 I think a lot of people don't realize how far their property extends, and 147 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:11,200 it might scare some people as well, because it does butt up against some 148 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,519 residentials, and you know, maybe some of the places that people frequent liked 149 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:24,440 the hospital or the school. But that is where one of those encounters happened. 150 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,240 Actually, it's where the whole thing started. I was bluff charge there 151 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:35,840 and that's where I pulled my blade and silly, you know, I don't 152 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,159 know why I thought, and I was gonna do something in that situation looking 153 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:46,039 back hindsight twenty twenty. And I made my way to the road. I 154 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,519 was trying to get to the road where there was those It was that long, 155 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:54,480 long street that went back there with nothing but woods on both sides, 156 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,440 and it had street lights on it though, so in the pitch black, 157 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:05,279 it kind of felt like it was safe. And I remember it backfiring because 158 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:11,000 as soon as I got onto the road, I had this half a second 159 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:16,559 of feeling safe before I turned around and noticed that the eyes were looking at 160 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,159 me. And they could see me even better now because I kind of just 161 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:26,799 put myself on display like a mannequin at Macy's or something. Yeah, they 162 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,039 had to be awfully creepy, seeing the street lights and the streets and these 163 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,759 big buildings but they weren't in you, So yeah, probably do give you 164 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:41,559 a false sense of security. Right those few buildings that are brand new up 165 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,759 in the front, there are multi million dollar buildings, and then you come 166 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,840 all the way into the back and it's just it's probably a good mile or 167 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,559 two of woods before you get to this section, and nobody really knows it's 168 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,159 back there. It looks like it's all an off limits area. It's got 169 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,720 a guard booth and it has a turnaround point which makes you look like you're 170 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:09,960 forced to turn around. But if you do push through all that stuff. 171 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:15,519 And I found it by accident, originally by walking. I just was walking 172 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:18,919 through the woods. I didn't know where I was until I hit the back 173 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,320 and said, WHOA, wherever am I? You know what I mean? 174 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,080 And I had to find my way back and kind of that's when I learned. 175 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,000 But other than that, you know, I don't think I would have 176 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,279 ever originally done it with my vehicle either. I would have been deterred by 177 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,120 all the signs and the turnarounds and the no trespassings and the and everything that 178 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,399 they have along the way if you're in a vehicle, but being me, 179 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:45,399 being on foot, off trail and not knowing you know, where I was 180 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,360 going. It didn't phaze me at the time. It does sound like an 181 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,600 awfully creepy place after dark, that's for sure. Yeah, it definitely does. 182 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,440 When you saw that dog me at a King's Park Psychiatric Center were going 183 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,000 down into the fish bowl, it sounds to me like you weren't bothered by 184 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,879 seeing that dog me in. Is that accurate? So I wasn't. I 185 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,639 wasn't necessarily sure if what I saw I was what I saw, and I 186 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,159 sure, and I really really sure knew I got it on footage, and 187 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:23,360 I really, more than anything VIC did not want to go to the edge 188 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:29,600 of the top of it, yeah, and risk it being there to like 189 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,480 maybe rip me down into there. So yeah, I continued to go the 190 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:38,440 other way and kind of pretended, like you know, I was. I 191 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:44,120 was almost pretending like I didn't see it as not to draw attention when you 192 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:47,000 want the other direction. Did you ever get the impression that was trying to 193 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:55,080 follow you? I don't think I did too much. I've become very good 194 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,840 at kind of shaking things up and like putting this kind of like protective shell 195 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:07,599 over myself as much as you do this. You have to You have to 196 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:15,599 kinda learn to shake things off quick and adapt quickly and learn not to show 197 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,279 any fear, but also not let your guard down. So more or less, 198 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:26,759 I'm making the best decisions to make it home safely, being that it 199 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:30,680 didn't do anything threatening, and being that I didn't see it the whole time 200 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,359 I was down in there. But it was down in there, I figured 201 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,160 it didn't really want much out of me except maybe to keep an eye on 202 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,559 me, and wondered why I went through its area. So my thought process 203 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:48,960 was to kind of go the long way round and kind of get up out 204 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,559 of there. And you know, whether it was watching me or not. 205 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,559 I'm sure it was. I don't have a doubt in my mind, But 206 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:02,319 there was no like sense of like it was stalking me or anything like that. 207 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,359 It might not have been stalking you, but I beg good money it 208 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,480 did follow you and wanted to keep an eye on you. If you'd like 209 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:12,599 to be able to listen to the show without ads and have full access to 210 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:18,440 bonus content, that's an option to find out how, please go to dog 211 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:25,200 Mean Encounters dot com Ford Slash Podcast. Let's talk about that sighting you had 212 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,720 at Montauk. Now, I didn't think that there are all that many trees 213 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:32,359 in that Montauk area, But I could be wrong. Do they have many 214 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:38,319 forests? I know, I know it's a very misunderstood area. Camp Hero, 215 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:45,200 I believe is man. I want to say it's I know the pine 216 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,720 barrens are one hundred thousand acres. I forget how big Camp Hero is, 217 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,440 but I want to say that might be undred thousand acres itself too. I 218 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,279 might be wrong. I might be shooting over high with that. I'd have 219 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:02,200 to check my numbers. But there's a camp here itself has a lot of 220 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,079 woods. That's a great big state park. Then there's chad More. I 221 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,720 believe there's hither Hills as well, and it is a very very heavily wooded 222 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,359 area. There's a lot a lot of hiking trails as long as you can 223 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,200 deal with the bluffs up and down. And it's not mountain hiking, right. 224 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:23,799 It's not hard because a lot of it's similar to like a flat land, 225 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,680 but a lot of the trails have sand under your feet, and it 226 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:36,920 really it makes it harder to hike than a hard ground, and it really 227 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,720 puts a good workout on you, like, in a different way than just 228 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:45,119 hiking a mountain trail or hiking with a solid ground. So yeah, but 229 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,920 there's a lot out there. It's just not very Our hiking trails aren't very 230 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:55,759 sought after, I should say, huh yeah. Listening to you describe how 231 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:57,839 that area is, it sounds like it's totally different than I pictured it. 232 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,599 Do you think the dog me and you saw there that was up against that 233 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,119 log was doing that because it was trying to hide from you or because it 234 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,920 was stalking you. That's a great question. I suppose that speculation again, 235 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,720 right mind you, I was going there too. When I go, I 236 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:19,400 do. I go in search of these things, and I put out a 237 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:26,440 certain vibration, so trying to attract them, you know, trying to attract 238 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,640 the other worldly, if you will. And sometimes these other things come back 239 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:40,000 and it gets their attention too. And it's not necessarily something that I looked 240 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:45,079 for, but it's also something that I'm expecting. I'm expecting other things to 241 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,599 kind of poke their head up and look and say, well, who's this 242 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:56,279 guy coming through here vibrating at this frequency? And who kind of knows how 243 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:59,880 to get on our level? Like who is this guy, and I assume 244 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,519 that they're going to poke their head out and take a look. Sometimes I 245 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:10,200 do think that they are just really stalking humans, and they truly are, 246 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:14,839 and they want to see what we're about. Maybe, you know, maybe 247 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:21,319 they have a interest in us where we are something that they want to take 248 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,759 out as far as a food source. But that, to me, that 249 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:30,119 would be all speculation. I really don't have any solid answers, and I 250 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,559 try not to let that fear side of things, even though as much as 251 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:40,039 I've been through, as much as I've seen and as much as I can 252 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,640 take in a bad way and really just want to hide from all of them 253 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:52,559 and forever and holdest fear of them, I also want to learn how to 254 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,440 show a respect and understand it if possible. And while dog Man that might 255 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:03,400 not be my Bryan, I am interest. They're right there, you know, 256 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,640 they're right there, and they're really growing on me as far as interest 257 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:15,160 goes, because I'm very amazed by them as a whole, Like how did 258 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,759 it become, How did it become that they were part dog part man? 259 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:26,119 How are they there living right amongst us? How are they just getting by? 260 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:27,880 And what are they doing? What are they eating? How are they 261 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,599 not getting seen by more people? You know? And I do have people 262 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,440 that come and report things to me, and I do do wish that they 263 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,480 would more people would come forward. But the fact of the matter is I 264 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:51,680 see them so often that I can't imagine there's not more people bumping into them. 265 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,839 As far as do I think it was stalking me and following me, 266 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,720 I don't think so on that particular occasion. I think I just kind of 267 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,680 what I think, I've just kind of caught it off guard and like saw 268 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:10,759 it where it was. Maybe it was resting, maybe it was just hanging 269 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:15,400 out in that particular area. But again, I'm just speculating. It's very 270 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,880 hard to say a lot of people out there would answer those questions you just 271 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,640 pose by saying that they're demonic beings. What are your thoughts on that. 272 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:33,839 I don't think they're demonic, you know, demonic beings. I have a 273 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,480 big protection around me, and it's a white light protection. And I have 274 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,400 this, you know, thing in my back pocket that I say, oh, 275 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,200 you know, that's always ready to go. Because when I tell you 276 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:49,119 right now, when you come across these things, you better have something recited 277 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,880 that is if you want to say a prayer or something, you better have 278 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,559 something ready in your back pocket that's recited and prepared, because you are when 279 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:03,000 it happens, it's gonna do. You're not going to uh, you know, 280 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,039 and I'm an next soldier. You're not ready for that. There's nothing 281 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:10,160 that can prepare you for it. So muscle memory is the best weapon. 282 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,839 And as much as I keep around me and you know, healing white light 283 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,640 and energy and positive stuff, and they still come close and stay near. 284 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:27,960 And I wouldn't categorize them as demonic at all, and not even a little 285 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:34,759 bit, but definitely something to keep your eye on. I don't know if 286 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:40,359 I would say they're a safe thing or you know, don't or let your 287 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:47,119 guard around them, that they're not something that can be unpredictable and can come 288 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,400 after you. But I think they just have their lives and they're just doing 289 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,880 their thing. They're on the hunt, and they hunt amongst us, you 290 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,319 know. And if we were on the menu and they were demonic and to 291 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,960 do a lot more terrible evil things, and I think we would have a 292 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:10,000 lot more reports of that. That makes two of us. Let's move on 293 00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,359 to the encounters. He told us about on episode four seventy eight. Now, 294 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,200 when you had your first encounter in the Pine Bear Ends, did you 295 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,640 go out there looking for Dogman or Sasquatch that time and going back a long 296 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,880 way? Right? And I had tunnel vision back then. I thought everything 297 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,000 was a big foot, right, And you know, people had been coming 298 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,559 to me occasionally in saying Mike, there's a lot of stuff out there, 299 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,000 like you gotta understand, like there's a lot of stuff out there, and 300 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,279 I'm like, no, like it's not like that. You know, I've 301 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:51,240 seen a big foot and everything I saw that didn't belong it was a big 302 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:55,440 foot. And that's what long big foot was, bigot big foot, big 303 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,680 foot. Right, everything was big foot till I realized how much it is 304 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,799 out there. And that particular time was one of those, you know, 305 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:11,160 welcome mats of dog Man, and I could not put the tunnel vision on 306 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:19,759 Sasquatch because dog Man that day made it so very well known. So to 307 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:26,240 answer your question, I was not looking for dog Man. I always like 308 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:32,759 to look for analogies or metaphors, whatever you want to say, symbolism. 309 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:40,839 So you have I believe you have areas where these sasquatch, dog man rake. 310 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,160 I don't even like to say all these things names because I don't like 311 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,599 to bring them into my world. But there's stuff out there, and I 312 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,480 think they like to all do their own thing, and they all have their 313 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:57,039 own little ways in their own little lives. But I also think that there's 314 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:04,880 what I call cryptid community is where similar to like an African Safari show where 315 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:12,920 David Attenborough is narrating and he's showing the lion herd over here and the elephant 316 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:18,119 herd over there, and the gazelles on that side, and the bat boons 317 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,799 and the cheetah is in the tree, and you know, the wild boars 318 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,279 are here and the zebras are over there. But guess what, they all 319 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:33,319 have common ground on some level, and they have to come into these areas 320 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:41,240 like the watering hole. And I do think in some cryptid and elemental world 321 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,759 there is something like that. You know, it's like the watering hole. 322 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,920 And I don't care where your beliefs are, whether it be a just a 323 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,799 watering hole, or whether it be a portal, or whether it be something 324 00:27:55,839 --> 00:28:00,559 different. I believe there's areas where they are in all active more so and 325 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,319 in some areas where they are spread out. Pine barrens is one of those 326 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:11,480 places where all bets are off and it's just a mixed bag of everything. 327 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,400 And a lot of the things out there, I think, are more or 328 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,920 less not used. They are more used to not being around humans. So 329 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,119 when a human does come through, and a human comes by himself, no 330 00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:36,200 less. I left myself pretty open to that encounter. When you think back 331 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,400 about the bolt of fear that you felt when you first saw those dog men 332 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,960 and the pine barrens, how did that compare to the fear that you felt 333 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,440 when you saw a sasquatch for the first time. Very similar, I guess, 334 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,160 but it was on such a lesser scale. The sasquatch when I first 335 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:00,000 saw him, I dropped to the ground and cried like a baby and screamed. 336 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,000 And I was not ready. That was the first thing I ever seen 337 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,920 anything like that. I was not ready. And when the dog men were 338 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,880 that day in the pine barrens, when they were making their moves, it 339 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,480 was it was almost like it wasn't enough to register because they were going so 340 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,400 fast and they were at the time, I didn't understand the distraction methods that 341 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,759 they used and it was working. So when they would get me to look 342 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,559 left, I would and they would move on the right, and vice versa, 343 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,440 and so on and so forth. And it was very tactical, you 344 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880 know. And again I'm a military guy, so I know tactics, and 345 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:48,000 they out tactic to crap out of me, and it was very very you 346 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:53,880 know, I was outdone. I was very very outdone. You know. 347 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160 I have no other better way to put it to you, Vica, is 348 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:03,240 that they were a unit. And that's what kind of made me fear the 349 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:11,720 most was how outmatched I was and how I had no chance but to hopefully 350 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:18,200 be able to backpedal out before they you know, made their move. And 351 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,599 of course, as you guys know, this is when I believe I've seen 352 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,319 a sasquad show up, and it was I started to get telepathic messages to 353 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,079 go to go to go, and they were gonna It seemed like they were 354 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:37,039 holding them off, kind of sending them off for the moment for whatever reason, 355 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,000 because when you see this big things show up, it was almost like 356 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:48,319 they kind of submitted to it for the moment. But it was like like 357 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,880 say, say, you're you own a bunch of hunting dogs, and they're 358 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,519 not necessarily trained right by you. But but there's a rabbit running around circles 359 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,680 in front of them and you're telling them sit, stay, sit, stay, 360 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,759 sit stay. There's only so long before you know, one of them 361 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,920 is gonna jump, like the offensive line on the New York Giants and getting 362 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,640 all offensives, you know, and then the rest are gonna go. And 363 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,400 that's what I think I was dealing with it. That's kind of what it 364 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:26,400 was, but I was I was the recipient. Well it goes without saying 365 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,680 I sure hope that's not what was going on and what would have happened if 366 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,960 you would have stayed a second longer? But I guess we're ever gonna know. 367 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,640 He told us about the guy who asked you to take him out with 368 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920 you, and they researched in the bearings. How sure were you that he 369 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160 was going to be able to keep his composure though? If things went sideways 370 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,039 on that particular time, he was ready to come out, and he was 371 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,359 very willing to come out, and I wasn't sure what to expect. But 372 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,880 I was very ignorant back then, too, but I did know that there 373 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,920 was a lot of stomping going on. He was just I have a certain 374 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,839 methodical way I go about almost as if I'm in somebody's house. I don't 375 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,079 step on certain things. I try not to, you know, go too 376 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:17,759 far a trail if I do. I'm very very similar to Native Americans, 377 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,880 you know, I even if it's telepaskally, I ask every tread I passed 378 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:28,480 for permission to pass, and every branch and leaf I go under, you 379 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,839 know, thank you for letting me pass through safely. And I appreciate you. 380 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,799 And you know, it's nature's home and when I'm in it, I 381 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,960 want to be part of it and not be separated from it. And this 382 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:45,319 particular guy was banging around quite a bit and doing some very abrasive things. 383 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:52,440 And when we were leaving, that's when, you know, the what sounded 384 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,319 like those packs of dogs were coming, and I knew it was time to 385 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,160 go. And when I seen the things going up, the eyes go up 386 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:07,319 and down. In those couple of times, I think his composure was very 387 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:14,240 well kept because he didn't understand the severity of what was going on. Most 388 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,480 people, maybe, I think, would have been very afraid and wanted to 389 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,200 get out of there with a sense of urgency and move with a sense of 390 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,920 purpose, but I think it was more or less excited about it, you 391 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,160 know, and didn't realize the risks that were at hand until the point where 392 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,920 I had to literally just say, like, we need to go and you 393 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,559 need to get in front of me. And I started to feel very responsible, 394 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,319 you know, I felt responsible for a life that might not come out 395 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,599 of those woods. I know what I signed on for it, but it's 396 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,839 it's another thing to have other people out there with you. It can be 397 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,200 very nerve wracking because if something happens to that, how do you walk around 398 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920 with that? You know. One thing's for sure, Mike. You don't 399 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:08,519 frighten easily, do you. I hear that quite oft, dude. I 400 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,440 get startled easily. Let's put it that way. Like if if a cat 401 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,679 jumps out of you know in the movie, you know, the scary one, 402 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,360 like that part scares me, you know what I mean. But like, 403 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,199 I'm very about my wits and I know my surroundings and things like that, 404 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,199 So I am. I do get startled, I guess. But as 405 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,880 far as being frightened, yeah, I don't get frightened easily, you know, 406 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,039 I'd say, you don't. Yeah, that's pretty clear speaking of that, 407 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,239 A lot of people listening are probably wondering, why the heck you go 408 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,079 back out looking for dog man after having that experience were one was possibly breathing 409 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:53,320 in your face, why did you? Oh, Well, trauma there's two 410 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,239 types of people. One that goes and never never goes back in, and 411 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,280 then one that has to go back in and get answers right. And the 412 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,280 only reason I started going back to those particular places was to go through my 413 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,559 trauma. Right. I had to go back there. It would have haunted 414 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:13,000 me. It would have haunted me forever if I didn't go back and go 415 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,360 into that same area again and see that nothing happened that time. And that's 416 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:22,159 that was my way of healing. I learned that, you know, to 417 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,719 heal through trauma, you have to go right back through it. That's not 418 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,480 step one, but it's part of it. And I guess somebody's got to 419 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,119 do it, right. I guess I'm a little bit crazy, you know, 420 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,880 but but I enjoy it. It's my passion. I feel like I 421 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,320 have purpose again, you know what I mean. There's not a lot of 422 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,760 people that I think really can do the boots on the ground and being that 423 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:52,000 I have this ability and fortitude. I guess I do enjoy it. I 424 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:54,960 like it. I like it. It's my thing. I already liked you 425 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,400 a lot before you started talking about these experiences, but the more you talk, 426 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,199 the more I like him. I like even more so I'm impressed I 427 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:09,320 him. What you said kind of ties us into this next question. After 428 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,519 having more than one encounter with these guys with dog men, were you at 429 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,480 serious doubts about the odds of you living through the experience. Has there ever 430 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,679 been a time when you've wanted to go into the woods but couldn't do do 431 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,679 your fear of them. Yes, of course, people laugh at me when 432 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:32,199 I would I would go camping, right and I started camping, like, 433 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:38,719 for instance, at campgrounds, and then I started to break out a little 434 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,079 bit and start to go, you know, into areas that were close to 435 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,320 my vehicle, and then I started to eventually work my way out. But 436 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,360 I was saying, I'm practicing for when I have to go out. People 437 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,519 kind of like giggle, like, what are you practicing camping? And I'm 438 00:36:53,519 --> 00:37:00,960 like, I'm practicing camping because I know that these cryptids are there, and 439 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,360 I know that they tend to flock to me for some reason, some way, 440 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,039 somehow, right, and it's not always the ones I'm looking for, 441 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,280 so right now and kind of practicing and again that muscle memory kind of building 442 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,599 up my goal, building up my ability to be able to sit out there 443 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:23,159 and know what could be. Basically, you kind of look like the fish 444 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,639 tank at night. You know, you to cut off the lights in your 445 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:30,400 house and you got your fish light on in your tank when you're in a 446 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,599 campfire in the middle of a mountain, and that's what you look like to 447 00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:36,719 the you know, everything out there. It's like they're walking around their house 448 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,760 and you're like the little fish tank all lit up, and like, you 449 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,199 know, they probably walk by and tap the glass. You know, we're 450 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,599 like, you know, basically throw a rock in or do something. Again, 451 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,760 I'm trying to make some kind of similarity here, but you know, 452 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,840 there isn't always one. But there have been also times where you know, 453 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,159 I've been scared to go out there, so I had to practice. And 454 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,599 then there were times where I've been scared to go out there because I just 455 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,880 felt like I wasn't supposed to just in general, you know, and I 456 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,159 have to respect that sometimes and I used to not, and that's when I 457 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:19,400 would seem to get into trouble, is when I would push through like a 458 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,400 stubborn human and say, well, you know, just you know, struck 459 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,960 my stuff. Well, you know what, I drove this far and I 460 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,079 came here, and I'm gonna go in because I you know, that's what 461 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,400 I was gonna do it today. But a lot of times there's a gut 462 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,760 instinct or like something like I call it like the reverse magnet. You know, 463 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,079 when there's a magnet you put together and it clocks together and then they 464 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,360 just don't you know, you'd flip them around and they pom pom pom, 465 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,360 they won't touch. It feels like something like that to me, and it's 466 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,760 you could feel in your stomach and it's very guttural. And those are usually 467 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,880 the times where it's not really fear, but there's something they're saying, don't 468 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,320 do it, don't do it, don't do it. And yeah, I 469 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,719 hope that answers the question. That does answer the question. Back to the 470 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,719 other question I asked you a bit ago about them possibly being demonic beings. 471 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,400 Do you think maybe there might be something to that possibly if they've got the 472 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,199 ability to project that feeling on you that you shouldn't be in an area when 473 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,639 a normal flesh and blood animal can't do that. Do you think there might 474 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:30,239 be something behind that or do you think it's something else still? Oh no, 475 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,079 I know a deer is looking at me like I even a deer like 476 00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:39,519 I can tell you right now, I can feel a deer looking at me, 477 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,159 and I can turn and I know something's looking at me, and I 478 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,320 turn and there'll be a deer with its eyes locked on me. I don't 479 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,800 know. I don't think it's a demonic thing, is what I'm getting at. 480 00:39:52,440 --> 00:40:00,519 I think that they there's more of a empathic and a telepathic and most 481 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:07,119 people are in tune with and I've always been empathic, but like the telepathy 482 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,440 thing has become something new to me. So I'm kind of working my way 483 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,119 through it. But I practice reiki again as well, which is like life 484 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,119 energy, and I vibrated these certain frequencies, so things are very easy to 485 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,840 reach me. So I think that's how they get to me, you know, 486 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,960 I think that's how they reach me. But I don't think there's anything 487 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,039 demonic about it. You know. If there was, I don't think i'd 488 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:37,119 be sitting here calmly talking to you, i'd be doing something demonic, you 489 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,719 know, and uh yeah, I'd be like, I don't know, you 490 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,400 know. I demonic's a very very deep, deep thing, and it's it's 491 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,599 just something that's thrown out there like way too often, perhaps as in my 492 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,840 opinion at least, like just similar like to being attacked. Like, I'm 493 00:40:53,880 --> 00:41:00,360 trying to be very cautious about how I portray this story because I am sitting 494 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,840 here intact, so I wasn't an attacked necessarily, right, So they're very 495 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,000 misunderstood, you know, very very misunderstood, I think, and the more 496 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:13,320 understanding we can get on them, the more better. But I'm not going 497 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,760 to sell nobody a horror story or a demon story, because that's not what 498 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,719 someone I know, I like the way you think. Are you normally armed 499 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,840 when you go out looking for them? Mike, No, No, not 500 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,599 at all. I do like to have like some something non lethal nearby. 501 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:36,360 I usually leave it in the car, But if I do feel like I 502 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,760 need, I need like a pepper spray or something for if I'm in the 503 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,760 middle of the mountains by myself. But more of less. I you know, 504 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,760 I've been trained in in a lot of different ways. We won't get 505 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,960 into that because I'm not trying to like sound like I don't want to sound 506 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:59,079 like a tough guy. But I'm more concerned about humans than anything. And 507 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:04,480 I can handle myself pretty much humans. And if it comes to us shooting, 508 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,599 you know, a gun down, you know, if it comes down 509 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,800 to ten paces or something like that, and shoot, I'm not doing that 510 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,639 anyways. But yeah, I see what weapons do. I see what guns 511 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:19,599 do, and I'm not knocking it. I'm not saying that you shouldn't carry. 512 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,639 If you want to carry carry, that's you. That's your right, 513 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,480 you know. I more power to you. But I do not know, 514 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:34,360 and I'm seeing what they can do, and yeah, it's just not for 515 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,800 me. I think a lot of times. That's why I don't get such 516 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,119 a negative reaction either too. So as they know that. I think a 517 00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:46,320 lot of them know that I don't have a gun powder on me. You're 518 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,280 probably right about that. I don't know how they do it, but they 519 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,599 definitely seem to know if you have a gun on you or not. If 520 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,679 they're not demonic beings, what do you think it is that they get out 521 00:42:55,679 --> 00:43:01,119 of tormenting you and other eyewitnesses the way they do. I don't know, 522 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,719 that's a great question. Maybe they're just bored, you know, maybe like 523 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,039 I'm an only child, but I I'll tell you, like I like messing 524 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,039 with my son, you know, I like messing with my kids. I'm 525 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:22,079 sure older brothers and older sisters love to torment their little brothers and little sisters. 526 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,760 Maybe it's they're fun, you know what I mean. Maybe like they're 527 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,679 just sitting there and they don't have much to do, and then they see 528 00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:31,519 the human come by, and they're like, oh, like we had to 529 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:35,920 look at this guy. Look how scaredy he is, you know, like 530 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000 let's go, let's let's go, you know, shake his world up even 531 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,119 worse, you know what I mean, Like nobody's gonna believe him anyway. 532 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,440 You know. Yeah, that's a good point that might view what's going on 533 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,840 in their heads, although I don't think we would sleep very well if we 534 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,800 actually did know what was going on in their heads half the time. Yeah, 535 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,440 one day, one day, hopefully you got on, they'll just come 536 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,800 out and tell us. Yeah, don't hold your breath on that. You've 537 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,119 had encounters with sasquatched dog men and even a rake, Mike, do you 538 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,280 think they're drawn to you or do you think those encounters you've had with all 539 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,320 these cryptids are just dumb luck, a little mixed combination. I guess, 540 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:19,559 you know, I think I was meant for this. I was kind of 541 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,679 some people. I don't want to sound like Neo from the Matrix, but 542 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,239 like you know, people say like, oh, I gonna chosen one, 543 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,159 and like it's like, I'm sure I'm a chosen one. I think. 544 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,119 Yeah. So I had a traumatic brain injury in combat and that guy, 545 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:40,760 and it really knocked everything back to you know, like the reset button. 546 00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:49,280 And I think at that given point, I was able to receive like these 547 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,119 new things, you know, Like it was almost like that's just was my 548 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,199 theory. I think all the brainwashing and everything that was involved with me before 549 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:05,159 that was kind of knocked lose. And I had never prescribed to anything really 550 00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:08,719 in life. And like it's because I always felt like there was more, 551 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,840 and I always felt like somebody wasn't telling me something, and I always felt 552 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,360 like there was just more. There had to be something more, And I 553 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,840 always say it, there's gotta be more to this nine to five and politics 554 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,119 and people be like you gotta vote. Why, Like what difference is it 555 00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,679 make like they're gonna you know what I mean? Like it wasn't. It 556 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:37,400 just wasn't for me. And when I found this world, this world that's 557 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:43,039 right here next to war was the one that in fairy tale books, the 558 00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:49,239 one in sci fives smoovies, the one that intrigued me was real. And 559 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,599 even if it was just to the extent of one of those things, the 560 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:02,280 sasquat, I was like rejuvenated and reborn and to the point where I had 561 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,800 a purpose again, and it was like, Wow, this is actually amazing. 562 00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:12,800 Like I love being out here. I love these woods, like I 563 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,920 love the water. You know. I just went and did something with Champs 564 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,400 Lake Champlain because I just love all that stuff, you know, I love 565 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:29,519 it all I love. I love the excitement of what might be there and 566 00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:35,679 the fact that I've had the chance to see it. I don't feel cursed 567 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,960 or a demonic thing came and attached to me, or something setting me up 568 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,280 for some like slaughter or something. I think I'm blessed. I feel really 569 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,760 honored. I'm really blessed and really privileged. And the fact that I get 570 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,760 to sit here and share it. You know, obviously the dogman stuffic was 571 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,760 very scary to me, and it was scary in that moment, but I 572 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,760 want to tell people about it because I wasn't harmed, you know what I 573 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,400 mean, I wasn't harmed. So whatever we take away from this, we 574 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,480 take away from it, and that's up to you. That's your god given 575 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,800 right. You can you can do whatever you want. You could take away 576 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,199 from this whatever you want. You could look at me and say, Mike, 577 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,199 you're dead wrong, man, like you missed everything on that and this 578 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,000 is the way I see it, and that's up to you. I totally 579 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,440 respect that. Or you can look at me and say, Mike, I 580 00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:35,599 totally agree with the way you said, and I respect that too, And 581 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,239 that's that's all right as people is to view it the way we want to 582 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:44,039 view it. But perception has a lot to do it a lot, yes, 583 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,199 it does, you know what they say, A perception is reality. 584 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,639 Considering all the research you do in the field, Mike, what in goal 585 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:53,960 are you working towards or do you just do it for the thrill of it. 586 00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,239 If I can help one person a day, one person, we come 587 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:06,480 happy. I do it somewhat for both reasons, like it's a beautiful thing 588 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,440 for me. I do film a lot, I do include people a lot, 589 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,320 but there is a side where I do things privately and on my own 590 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,840 accord. And again, like I travel and like I do these different things, 591 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,079 and I get phone calls and I get text from people, what do 592 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:28,639 you think this means? What do you think that is? And and you 593 00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:32,079 know, sometimes, you know, maybe seventy five percent of the time, 594 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,440 I have had an experience where that's happened, and I can tell them, 595 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,760 hey, well, this is what I think you know, or this is 596 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,880 what happened to me, and this is what I think I got from that. 597 00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,440 But I also make sure I let them know it's probably personal, you 598 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,000 know it, Probably the answer probably lies within you. You were the only 599 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,280 one that was there for it. So it's very important to let people take 600 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,280 their own paths and dur and see things through their own eyes. But yeah, 601 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,679 for me, it's personal and I love it. But there are a 602 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,360 lot of people that can't get out there. And I'm disabled better in myself. 603 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:15,519 I'm just able to move around a little bit, So I understand that 604 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,199 there's a lot of people out there who who can't get out in the woods 605 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,679 or don't want to necessarily, or there's other people who have seen something and 606 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,719 just kind of want to, like go and see what it looks like for 607 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,960 someone who's seen one and then continues to go out and check it out. 608 00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,679 And I have all types of people from all different walks of life, from 609 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,599 all different places of the earth. And you know, as you know, 610 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,639 you know, that's how it is have an a YouTube channel. Different people 611 00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,320 are interested in different things, and what I do is raw and uncut footage 612 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:53,760 majority of the time. And because I want to take people from step one 613 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,599 to the last step so that you can see how it went all the way 614 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,000 along away, you know what I mean, And I show you exactly what 615 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,760 I saw and and how I look at it, and what I'm thinking in 616 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,159 that moment, and why I zoomed in on that and what I thought I 617 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,239 might have been and and if we do and when we do see something, 618 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,559 how do we react in that moment? And now you know how long did 619 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,320 it take to get there, how close were we? Did it happen right 620 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,400 away? Where we out there for a while before it showed a face? 621 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,320 You know, there's a lot of data in there to be looked at. 622 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,880 I think I have over two thousand videos now. So one day a doctor 623 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,960 or a father time is gonna tell me, hey, you're done here, 624 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,880 kid, and you can't you know, you can't walk no more, you 625 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,840 can't go no more. You gotta stop and sit down. And when that 626 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,199 day comes, that's when I'll really really delve into my own footage again. 627 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,840 But you know, for now, it's you know, it's my passion. 628 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,360 It's it's very uh, it's what I like to do with my time. 629 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,639 I gotta tell you, Mike, when the days come that marks the end 630 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,719 of your days out in the woods and nights out in the woods looking for 631 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,760 these guys, that really is going to be a sad day. I hate 632 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,440 the idea that that's coming, but like you just said, unfortunately, you 633 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:17,239 know it is. Yeah, it happens for everybody. It's some every basketball 634 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,719 player, you know, every you know, like Lebron at some point, 635 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,960 right he's had a great career, but pretty soon a doctor or something, 636 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,360 you know, he's going to tell him, hey, hang up your shoes, 637 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,800 buddy. And it's just it's the way the world works. You know, 638 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,360 you can only go for so long, but we all have purpose. 639 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:43,039 And we all have our parts to play, and right now this is mine, 640 00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:47,079 So I go hard as I can while I can, And I'm glad 641 00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,320 to see that you're doing that too. That's great. On episode eighty three 642 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,840 of My paranormal themed show called My Paranormal Experience, he told us about the 643 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,119 two rake encounters you've had all things considered, if you had to have an 644 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,360 encounter with one or the other, would you rather have an encounter with a 645 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,159 dog man or a rake? Oh, dog man, even though dog men 646 00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:17,360 are a lot bigger and a lot scarier looking, I think they have more 647 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:25,800 of a pack mentality. If I had to guess, they have families they 648 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:32,719 have similar to wolves. That I'm only speculating, but I'd say similar to 649 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,119 wolves. They have like, you know, an alpha, and they have 650 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,400 some kind of order, you know, and some kind of cast system or 651 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,280 a chain of command or you know, maybe families and pups. Right, 652 00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:52,239 people have seen pups. I think the rake is I don't know what it 653 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,800 is, but I think it's a solo thing out there that's just trying to 654 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,159 get by, and we'll do what it's got to. So I'd rather see 655 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:05,800 it talk man any day. That's all I figured you would answer, but 656 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,559 I thought i'd ask anyway. You touched on this a bit ago, Mike, 657 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,599 You've got shown podcast. Please tell us about it and how we can 658 00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:19,039 listen to it. Thank you. It's called On on a Big Foot on 659 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:24,719 YouTube. It's it's pretty much me walking around doing my thing. I take 660 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:30,400 people along. I do a lot of live streams, including the subscribers, 661 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,639 and try to speak with them one on one and see where their heads are 662 00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:38,960 out about things, and really like get their feedback and let them be involved 663 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,599 as much as possible. I do do some sometimes I have guests on You 664 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:52,000 were a guest of mine once briefly recently, I mean, which was a 665 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:57,280 great, great time, and I appreciate that you know anybody. I think 666 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,039 that the people who are subscribed to me, if they if I see somebody 667 00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,519 or come across somebody that I think they should know about, then I try 668 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,000 to bring them in so that they can meet them and see them. And 669 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,039 then you know, go find the good places out there, because there's a 670 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:15,920 lot of we won't get negative, but there's there's fluff, and then there's 671 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:22,039 people who work and put in real time and effort, and I like to 672 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:28,440 find those places and help people find those places, this being one of them. 673 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,320 I sure hope you never change, Mike, because, like I said, 674 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,440 you're a great guy. Thank you. Yeah, you know work in 675 00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:39,119 progress, right, aren't we all though? That's right. Yeah, it 676 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:44,079 doesn't make any difference from the rest of us, that's right. What's about 677 00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,679 time for us to get out if you're a mic. But before we do, 678 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:51,840 do you have any clothes in commets you'd like to share? No, 679 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,440 you know, if you know, if you need anything ever, you know, 680 00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:01,599 and anybody just reach out to me. I'm easy to find and Vick 681 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,519 is one of the best guys I've ever met. You know, there's there's 682 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:12,880 not too many really, really genuine people out there on YouTube, and that's 683 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,159 just the way it is, right. But you know, you guys, 684 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:21,199 whoever's here, you're in the right place, especially for dog Man. So 685 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,119 I'm just happy that they're here. You know, whoever is listening to this, 686 00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:29,119 God bless you and have a wonderful night. Thank you for listening to 687 00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,280 me and allowing me to be here. And this has been healing for me 688 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,760 as well, So I appreciate you guys. Well, you know, we've 689 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,199 been so happy to have you on and sharing all these experiences, and we're 690 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,000 so glad to hear that this has been a positive experience for you and that 691 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,599 goes two ways. If I can never help you out in the future, 692 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:49,960 then please do let me know. And for the listeners, if you'd like 693 00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,159 to check out Mike's YouTube channel, which I highly recommend that you do, 694 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:57,360 Long Island Bigfoot, you can find a link to it in the description for 695 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,519 tonight show. But having said that, thanks again so much for coming on 696 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:06,280 sharing those experiences with this Mike. I really appreciate it. No, thank 697 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,440 you, Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.