WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:08.480 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven to 2 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:35.880 nine day. Now here's Nick coffee. Those cheese It's got me again. 3 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:41.479 Anytime I go to the kitchen here, I grab a bottle of water and 4 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:46.000 those cheese it's they're just staring at me. And we've pretty much been ransacked 5 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.119 of all the snacks usually, but at the end of the week, you 6 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.840 know it's been emptied out and they'll be full again next week. But nobody 7 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.799 touches the cheese. It's there just for me. And I don't think they 8 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.880 do that because they know I like them. Nobody else wants them. But 9 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.960 yeah, I try to get a little snack in during the breaking you know, 10 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.959 I couldn't stop eating them and getting the music goes. I thought cheese 11 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:08.000 it's were more popular than they're not unpopular. They've been around a long time. 12 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.239 They've had a long, long life. But there's thousands of commercials about 13 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:18.400 them. To me, they just seem not They're kind of boring. I 14 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.560 don't know. I mean, let's look at their competitors in there. The 15 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:27.640 chips that that they do get grabbed. Doos just lays regular potato chips, 16 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:33.519 there's a sour sour cream and onion, the cool ranch Doritos. So like 17 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.120 there's bags of those. Am I missing any others? Those are the main 18 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:40.079 ones. Yeah, so there's bags of those pop corners too, which I 19 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.799 had never heard of until they kind not a big fan of those. But 20 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:49.000 we get snacks loaded up each week in our kitchen. No, I mean, 21 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.280 you know, peanuts like rice, Crispy treats, vanola bars, and 22 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:59.519 then like chips, and those chips I just mentioned usually are gone within a 23 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:01.640 couple of days. The cheese, it's not so much. They're always still 24 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:07.000 there. So I guess they're popular. I guess because again it's a known 25 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:12.319 chip, been around a long time. But when it comes to competing, 26 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.560 they're always there and the others aren't. You know what I mean. I 27 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:16.080 think they overloaded with the cheese. It you think, so, I think 28 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.479 whatever packaging they get, whoever distributes the snacks, I think they just give 29 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.000 us a bunch of cheese its. Well, actually I would. I mean, 30 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.039 I think you're right, because I think what happens is that when you 31 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:29.560 like my wife, when she does the online ordering of groceries, she gets 32 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:34.159 like a box of chips from that are all in the free Do Do Lay 33 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.120 family. So it's, you know, a bunch of different types of chips 34 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:39.599 all within one package. When you order the cheese it, you're getting the 35 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.719 cheese its, you know what I mean. So I guess that's why there's 36 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.400 more of those there. But yeah, sorry about that. I little I'm 37 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.000 do vending machines anymore. Me too a little late to get the mic turned 38 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.360 on there, so I was just trying to, you know, digest and 39 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.520 not choke on my cheese. It's that could be a good band name, 40 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.840 Choke on the cheese It. They'd play some very weird indeed, he wouldn't 41 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:00.599 really. Yeah, you wolntally know what you're getting though, right, Maybe 42 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.039 be the d Listers on Thursday Louder than Life. Yeah, I think that 43 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.319 checks out. All right, Let's get it started the five o'clock hour here 44 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:12.199 on a Thursday afternoon, coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk 45 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.439 seven to ninety Nick Coffee. That's me the company man John alongside today and 46 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:22.039 we will, I guess, reset some things for those just joining us. 47 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:23.759 We will get back into the NBA draft because obviously there's still a lot to 48 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.159 talk about from last night, and the draft's going on right now as we 49 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.719 speak, hand up. Probably don't even need to put my hand up to 50 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:32.120 identify you. Guys. Know, I at times can be a real dumb 51 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:35.599 ass. I had no clue that the NBA Draft was going on right now. 52 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.240 I still don't know why, but the second round of the NBA Draft 53 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.919 is going on as we speak. And why they chose to do this, 54 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.919 I'm not sure, but I thought it was tonight. I was looking forward 55 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.759 to going out to dinner with the family, you know, probably being there 56 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.159 late enough to see the first you know, handful of picks in the second 57 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:58.400 round, but it'll be over by then, so my hand's up there with 58 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.039 you though, I was just as a I don't I mean, I don't 59 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.759 understand, Like what sense does this make? I don't know, But that's 60 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:11.919 their decision. Maybe it's ESPN's decision because they technically own the rights to it 61 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.360 because they are a rights holder of the NBA's content broadcast that kind of stuff. 62 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:18.160 I don't know, And maybe I'm maybe I'm off base here, but 63 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:23.399 I feel like ESPN did a poor job of just marketing what was new about 64 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:28.160 the NBA Draft in general this year. Yeah, and you have two different 65 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.160 options for coverage. Last night, you could watch on ABC, which had 66 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:38.240 Stephen A and I guess the A team, and then you had the ESPN 67 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:45.920 crew which was Billis, Malika Andrews, another female analyst that I'm not sure 68 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:50.639 what her name is, and then the third one who was that and they 69 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:56.319 get who it was? There was one more on their four man crew or 70 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.199 four person crew. I should say, it just kind of felt, you 71 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.519 know, felt kind of flat. And again, if you're going to put 72 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:09.240 an NBA guy who covers the NBA for you exclusively on NBA Draft coverage, 73 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.600 let's be real. It makes total sense. It's an NBA event, like, 74 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.319 but make sure they may they at least can fake it that they've watched, 75 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.839 that they know anything about these players. I mean that was pretty evident 76 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:25.000 at times last night. So anyways, earlier today on this on this very 77 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:30.399 station, Rick Patino was on live. He was on KSR. Imagine that 78 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.839 who would have ever thunk it? Well, there was a specific reason because 79 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:39.560 it wasn't, you know, the typical KSR show. It was the invasion 80 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:44.560 of KSR by Pardon My Take, the podcast from Barstool Sports that features Big 81 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:48.720 Cat PFD Commenter, two guys who have put together a podcast that I think 82 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:54.639 for many many years now has been up there maybe still is number one in 83 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:59.120 in sports podcast across the planet. So every year when Matt goes on his 84 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.360 vacations in the summer, he gets a big crew of folks to fill in 85 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.199 here and there. And they've done it for many years, and despite their 86 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:11.079 growth, they still choose to spend one of their you know, what they 87 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:14.920 essentially do is their show. They just make it the day where they are, 88 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.240 you know, hosting a show in Kentucky and trolling Kentucky. And so 89 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.800 their audience, I mean, the people who listen to their podcast is substantially 90 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:26.439 bigger than really any show because it's such a big show. But there's a 91 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.639 lot of people who don't listen to KSR that listen to that show, and 92 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.480 they probably just think, like, this is hilarious. These Kentucky people who 93 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.439 call in don't get it. They don't understand what this is. So they're 94 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.279 entertainers, not to say they don't know anything about sports, but it's it's 95 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.839 really it's a comedy show, and I always think it's really funny. I'm 96 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.000 a big fan of both those guys, and they have a relationship with Rick 97 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.120 Potino. They had him on their show a few months ago, which is 98 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:54.079 where we played the clip of him talking about his time at Kentucky. So 99 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.639 they didn't tell anybody, they didn't tease it. They just you know, 100 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:00.040 we have a special guest. We have a special guest. And then sure 101 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.879 enough, whenever they brought on special guests, it was Rick Patino, and 102 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:11.839 Patino said some things during the interview that I didn't think were that surprising, 103 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:18.920 but it seemed to be maybe the final goodbye from Louisville fans to Rick Patino, 104 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:23.319 at least some of them in regards to you know, he never loved 105 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.920 us, he's now that he's not here, he's actually more loyal to Kentucky. 106 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:31.800 And you know, I just the question I asked everybody earlier, if 107 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:39.600 you remove a motion from the situation and ask yourself this, what was your 108 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:46.720 realistic expectation for Rick Pattino as far as his thoughts and feelings towards Louisville after 109 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.519 he was fired. I mean, there's never a scenario that you thought Rick 110 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:56.720 would would you know, feel good about Louisville. I mean, I'm sure 111 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.639 he feels good about what he did here as far as the accomplishments that were 112 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.000 made. And I know he has a close relationship with his players still and 113 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.959 loves those guys. But he was fired, probably should have been fired long 114 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.600 before that, we're being honest. He got away with a couple of big 115 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.560 time scandals that even though he didn't leave fingerprints on one of them, it 116 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.920 still happened. And then the Katina power I mean not the Katina Pow, 117 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.079 the cold the Karen Pzsipher stuff, I mean that was that was more of 118 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.920 a personal thing than like him as a coach. But still you have you 119 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.680 know, you got a you roar held to a high standard when you coach 120 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.800 the little basketball program around here, and you know a lot of I think 121 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.799 a lot of coaches would not be able to survive what he did. So 122 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.759 even though the Brian Bowen stuff really ended up being not nearly as as big 123 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:43.519 of an of a I mean, I don't know what to believe anymore or 124 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.240 who to believe, and it doesn't matter, but we now know Rick was 125 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:52.000 not close to being as involved in slimy in that whole shoe money thing as 126 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.039 other coaches. And now you can pay players, so it just seems silly. 127 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.279 But either way, he already had two three strikes depending on who you 128 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.679 talk to as far as his time at Louisville and that whole thing, him 129 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.519 being involved in the FB. I mean, you're not gonna think the when 130 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:11.679 that happened, Of all sources out there as far as citing somebody as coach 131 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.559 to it, it's the FBI, folks. Now we've later learned that for 132 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.440 some weird reason, they had some agenda. They really did want to arrest 133 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:24.039 rec like they wanted to create this whole thing and invest FBI resources into getting 134 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.559 Rick Patino and arrested, which seemed kind of odd, but that's what played 135 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.320 out. So like at the time when you say the FBI has uncovered this 136 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.360 and they have these allegations that even even then they were they were it was 137 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:43.720 basically just word from uh, what's the guy's name, the shady character who 138 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.879 they did the HBO did a documentary on him, which by the way, 139 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:52.039 was really good. Doesn't matter whatever his name was. It was him saying, 140 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.080 you know, coach too. He wouldn't say coach too, but they 141 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.320 redacted it in the FBI document. So if you're U of L. You're 142 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:05.080 thinking or the FBI has now included him in some former fashion in this huge 143 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.879 indictment. We gotta let him go. Like it's easy to say now they 144 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.440 should have let cooler heads prevail, but like in the moment, like their 145 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.600 action did not seem like an overreaction, just because you're thinking to yourself, 146 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:18.840 you can't make this stuff up. We literally just had a national championship banner 147 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.440 vacated, and now this guy is involved in bond players, So he should 148 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:26.799 have been fired. I think deep down he knows that, but he didn't 149 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:28.600 feel that way. He feels like he was wrong. He feels like he 150 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.879 was betrayed, and he doesn't feel that way about fans because Rick doesn't have 151 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:37.600 any feelings towards fans. He does. I mean again not to say he 152 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.360 hates Louisville fans, but Rick's just different man. He's a different guy. 153 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.080 How many times did you hear him ever mention fans during his time here. 154 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:48.600 I didn't hear him mention him much at all. So when he says his 155 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.639 time at Kentucky, his time at Louisville, his time at Saint John's, 156 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.960 he's talking about people he met along the way, like rich people who he 157 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.919 got close with, because that's that's what it is. So the real, 158 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.360 I guess trigger for some Louisville fans was what he said about Kentucky football, 159 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.679 which again, now that it's been a couple of hours since we played it, 160 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:18.399 I mean, I I still can't. It just doesn't make any sense 161 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.600 to me. But the one thing that is quite clear is that Rick went 162 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.960 out of his way to share this knowing what he was doing, and is 163 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.799 him letting everybody know He's donated money to the UK football in IL and he 164 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:37.799 will donate to Mark Pope's and IL efforts if need be well. I actually 165 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:43.000 cut a checked to the football program because I'm a casual friend of Mark and 166 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.759 Eddie Grin and cut a checked to the football program. But I would definitely 167 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:54.639 cut a check if Mark needs me for anything, no matter what. Except 168 00:11:54.639 --> 00:12:00.159 for my firstborn Michael, he could have it so to me, I I 169 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:05.559 mean, that's what I don't get, donating money to UK football. That 170 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.639 just seems odd. But apparently he's friends with Eddie gran and Mark Stoops and 171 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:16.120 I have no clue how on under any circumstance. I don't know how Edie 172 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.480 Grand and Rick Patino could be rubbing elbows and become friends. I did have 173 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:20.720 somebody to reach out to me and say they believe that it's from horse racing, 174 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.159 like they Eddie Grand's big and horse racing, and obviously Rick Patino is 175 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.039 as well, or at least was. Heck, he was at Keenland not 176 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.080 that long ago, if you remember, it became a big deal. So 177 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.120 maybe they connected then I'm not sure. Heck, maybe that's where it all 178 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.039 started, right, Maybe Patino was at Keenland and Stoops and his staff were 179 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.600 there and they connected. And I mean, I have so many questions about 180 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.919 that whole thing. Like to just slip that in there is if that's not 181 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:50.879 really weird. If you're Mark Stoops and you're meeting Rick Pattino at Keenland or 182 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:56.440 wherever you meet him or however you know him, when you're thinking of people 183 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.519 that could give your programs some money, thinking call Rick Patino and ask him 184 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.679 is just like, I can't I can't see how that happened. Doesn't make 185 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:09.360 any sense. Also, if your Patino, what would make you randomly think, 186 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.720 hey, you guys need any and I all money? Mark Stoops? 187 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.320 Like it's just it's insane. It's insane. It also seems like, and 188 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.440 this may not make any sense, but it also seems like if you're an 189 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.120 active head coach somewhere else for a different program, and I know Saint John's 190 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.879 doesn't have football, why would you be able to, as somebody who coaches 191 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:33.559 another Division one basketball program, be able to donate your money. I guess 192 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.519 you do whatever you want with your money, but why would you be allowed 193 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:39.000 to do something like that for a difference? So how would you want to? 194 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.159 I mean exactly like Rick, this is a great example of Rick Patino 195 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:50.320 being Rick Patino. And if anybody else says it, it's a huge deal. 196 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.759 But it's Rick being Rick. I mean, take away the football side 197 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.399 of it, him saying if Mark Pope needs him, he'd give money. 198 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.799 Every other program with a fan based around the country would think, what the 199 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:03.759 hell are you talking about? Do you're gonna use money that we're paying you 200 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.799 or you know, maybe not we're paying you, but you're gonna use money 201 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.360 to go help another school that we compete with for players? Like what? 202 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.440 But Rick said it? And you know it's Rick being Rick because that's Patino. 203 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.600 So he also talked about his Tommy Kentucky and how great it was, 204 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.720 and like this is like this is not a surprise at all. Like if 205 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:26.639 you as if you told me Rick's about to be asked about how he feels 206 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.320 about Kentucky, I would have expected him to talk about how great it was 207 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.360 there, because he's kind of always done that when asked. I always called 208 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.759 University of Kentucky Camelot for me. I never had a bad year, never 209 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.759 had a bad day. They treated me like a king. They treated me 210 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.519 with great respect, so I only had Obviously I didn't get treated great when 211 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.159 I was at Louisville, But sitting back on and examining it today, I 212 00:14:52.200 --> 00:15:01.360 totally understand why. So I mean, I don't think it's a random coincidence 213 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.240 that Patino says those things on that show kind of knowing. I think he's 214 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.200 aware of what that's gonna do to people in Louisville, I'm sure. But 215 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:16.679 when he says they treated me like a king, I'm sure the fans did. 216 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.679 But I think he's talking about people he knew and met along the way, 217 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.600 because even when he was at Louisll, like he's like Rick still has 218 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.840 close friends that he met in Lexington that I wouldn't say. I mean, 219 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.080 I'm not sure how close any of Rick Patino's friends really are just because of 220 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:37.720 the stat I mean, just because of him. But I think that comment 221 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.480 they're bothered some Louisville fans because they're thinking, Hey, you were our coach 222 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:45.039 and we loved you and we stuck by you when you went through some weird 223 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.840 stuff. To be honest with you, and at that time, all they 224 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.000 did was make fun of you. They hated you. Well, you're talking 225 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.759 about fans doing that. I don't think Rick sees it that way. He 226 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:58.559 doesn't ever think or care or even acknowledge that fans exist. I mean, 227 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.799 at times he'll occasionally throw it out there, But when he talks about being 228 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.799 treated like a king, I think he's referring to the way people in his 229 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.120 administration treated him and rich people that he met along the way, that kind 230 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:15.039 of stuff. So, you know, I just don't know how you can 231 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:21.200 say you're surprised that he feels fondly of Kentucky because it was the best part 232 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.279 of his career. He said it before the biggest mistake he's made as a 233 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:27.440 coach was leaving there. So to hear him gas up Kentucky is not a 234 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.600 surprise to me. It's never gonna be something you want to hear from your 235 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.320 former coach, especially if it's a guy that you still feel fondly about. 236 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:41.720 But I mean, I'm not surprised. But if anything, it's good timing 237 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.759 here because I think there are many fans that probably are all in on Pat 238 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.679 Kelsey, but you know, still felt a certain way about Rick. But 239 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.600 like if that bothered you, now it helps you, I guess maybe completely 240 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.200 turn the page on that and only look forward, which you should anyway, 241 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:02.480 you should. So one thing that came in on the text line earlier that 242 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:03.759 I don't have an answer for you, but it is a good question, 243 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.640 is if Rick knew where he was going on, Because you know, I've 244 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.200 only played those two clips. A lot of what he talked about wasn't about 245 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:15.039 Kentucky. It was about other stuff and Saint John's and all that. So 246 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.480 and Mark Pope, just specifically Mark, not you know about UK obviously as 247 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.799 their coach now, but Rick did know he would never admit it publicly. 248 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.759 Rick knew what KSR was, and he knew who Matt was to an extent, 249 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:32.079 and he didn't you know, wasn't a fan. You know, there 250 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:36.000 was some time. There was a time when matt On on his show really 251 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.480 you know, really became I guess a foreign in the side of uf L 252 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.039 administration, Tom Jurch and Patino because some of the things that Matt would mention 253 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:48.519 about, you know, like Kevin Ware's speeding ticket and you know, stirring 254 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:49.960 up stuff. I mean, Matt I think at one point had to come 255 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:55.119 on and actually publicly apologize for something he said about Tom Jurge, which I 256 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.279 still can't believe that happened, but I think Earl made him do it. 257 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:03.000 So I think I think they might have got him meaning like, hey, 258 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:06.880 you're gonna come on our show again, which he which he did, but 259 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:12.359 it was just their show that happened to be recorded live on KOSR. I 260 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:17.519 don't know. I mean, all I know is that Rick has such an 261 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.000 ego that he is very very very clear on who he goes on with, 262 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.920 and you know that's an elite, a select elite group. So anyways, 263 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.759 that was why that became at least a talking point. But I feel like 264 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.119 it's already kind of like over, like it's already like you know, it 265 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.039 was kind of a shocker, and it might have made some Louisville fans upset 266 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.799 to hear it, but you know, it's nothing you can do about it, 267 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:44.759 and it shouldn't change, and I doubt it changes the way anybody truly 268 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.599 feels about the era that was the Patino era. I mean, it ended 269 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.119 in a bad way and we're still, you know, kind of recovering from 270 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:59.880 that to an extent. But the timing of him being hired here and the 271 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.000 success that he had it helped Louisville still be able to claim to be one 272 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.880 of the best jobs in the country, one of the best programs in the 273 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.960 country, right. I mean, obviously it's Denny who did the most, 274 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.960 but Rick came in at a time where it was we were desperate for somebody 275 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.200 to come in and give the program some more life and kind of give it 276 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.480 more relevance. And he did exactly that, and I'm happy that he did. 277 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.400 But one thing that you don't really like to remind yourself of, because 278 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.799 it does it might make it not as special to you, It might not 279 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:33.480 make it as you know, sentimental to you as a fan. But coaches, 280 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.640 it's always transactional. This I mean like not to say they can't have 281 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.519 passion for a program and where they coach and the fan base. They can 282 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:42.680 appreciate that and love their time, but at the end of the day, 283 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:49.839 it's a job for them. So you know, Rick had jobs at both 284 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:55.160 schools in the state that are rivals, and both ended entirely differently. He 285 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.960 left Kentucky was beloved there, He went out on top, and he now 286 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.319 whish is he never left And now he's not coaching their arrival. He's at 287 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:10.519 Saint John's. So his emotions towards Louisville are still bitter because he's bitter about 288 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:12.440 how he was treated. I don't think he was treated poorly. I think 289 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:18.839 he got more of a leishier than anybody would. So you know, it's 290 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.079 I guess it sucks for people, and I get it if that's the way 291 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.279 you feel, But I just it really isn't that big of a surprise if 292 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.480 you think about it. Right, his former and again, his former player 293 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.880 who was a captain on his team in the nineteen ninety six championship team, 294 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:36.400 is now coaching Kentucky. It would be odd and unusual for that coach to 295 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:41.359 not be super happy and excited and supportive of that guy. I mean, 296 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.119 Rick was only and by the way, he really wasn't anti Kentucky when he 297 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.559 was here. I don't really remember Rick ever going mostly because of his ego. 298 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.960 He hated cal but he in hate Kentucky. He loves Kentucky because it 299 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.519 was a special, special part of his career. So you know, with 300 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.519 that said, now that he's no longer Lowis was coaching, he fel bitter 301 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.519 about Louisville. Again, It's not that surprising if you really, if you 302 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:08.200 really think about it. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll 303 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:11.720 come back on the other side. Let you guys hear a little more from 304 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:18.000 Pat Kelsey. Also get back to the text line, and we've got more 305 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:25.000 evidence out there that maybe one of the reasons that Kyle Filapowski flipped or slipped 306 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:30.720 I should say no pun intended to the second round is because of this situation 307 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.640 with his girlfriend. So apparently his brother is now on Twitter going back and 308 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.599 forth like telling people like, yeah, what you read here is true, 309 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.119 which you never know what to believe. But what a wild draft story about 310 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:47.079 a guy who apparently abandoned his family and is with a girl that is significantly 311 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:49.839 older than him and she's kind of like calling the shots and apparently have been 312 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.319 a red flag for NBA teams wild all right, don't go anywhere. It's 313 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.799 coffee and company. Feel But Thorton' right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. 314 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.640 Instead of shoving my I faced with cheese. It's during uh that last commercial 315 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:08.599 break. Instead, I was just internet slothing trying to figure out more about 316 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:15.279 this Kyle Philipowski situation. So uh, for those who missed it, he 317 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.160 was probably the biggest surprise miss last night, not hearing his name called in 318 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:23.960 the green room. And Jonathan Giovanni is really who started this and kind of 319 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.440 made it a thing. He went on to a podcast, one of the 320 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.799 ESPN podcasts. By the way, Javanni is one of the is one of 321 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:37.119 the NBA draft analysts for ESPN, formerly of Draft Express, which he which 322 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.440 he launched. So he he mentioned that teams didn't like workouts and that he 323 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:47.319 was kind of nervous. But they also mentioned Kyle Philipowski's girlfriend. And I 324 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:52.119 guess the clip that we played did not include this, this this last little 325 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.359 little part here that I'm reading from a quote. Uh. He says that 326 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:02.519 he heard it twenty five times. It came up from from NBA. I 327 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.119 guess sources that he has teams that were bothered by the girlfriend situations. Says 328 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:08.440 what I swear, I heard it twenty five times this came up. It 329 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.759 was one of the biggest factors that you've heard. And it's just weird. 330 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.599 It's really weird. I think people really overthought this one. And listen and 331 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.799 listen. The workouts didn't help, the interviews didn't help. He's a little 332 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.240 bit nerves He's a little bit of a nervous guy. But there's a lot 333 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.680 less pressure in the NBA regular season than there is playing at Duke. So 334 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:30.160 his girlfriend fiance, I suppose I think they're actually I think they are are 335 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:36.920 engaged. She's eight or nine years older than him, apparently. And this 336 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.559 guy who video recorded his he's did a video screenshot, if that makes sense, 337 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.720 like where you can record your screen. This random dude on Twitter recorded 338 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:48.319 it, and that was the Zachloe podcast, and you know, put it 339 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.240 out there like what's going on with his girlfriend. Well, then Daniel Philipowski, 340 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.079 his brother, chimes in and says, let me just go back to 341 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:59.440 the initial So he says, I'm I'm Kyle's oldest brother, you all don't 342 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.400 have a clue of the extent of the story that has to do with his 343 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:06.240 girlfriend. There's a story that has been pushed under the table for nearly two 344 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:10.480 years now. So then this guy Rando on Twitter says, dms are open 345 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:12.039 for end. I can take down the post if this is blatant misinformation. 346 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.440 So it's a nice guy. He says. If Giovanni responds to my DMS, 347 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.559 he'd be able to get the full story. And no one knows that. 348 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.440 No one knows about outside of who's involved. Duke coaching staff and his 349 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.799 agent may know. So then the next response was, oh wow, yeah, 350 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.519 I hit up Gavanni first. I'm not the NBA newsbreaker for a big 351 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.000 story like this. Lol. Maybe they'll both go on the Low podcast like 352 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.519 he suggested, so they can set the story straight themselves. He then said, 353 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:38.759 other than messaging him on his IG account, I don't know how to 354 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:44.680 get in touch with him, But look up and read on Mormon grooming and 355 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:49.279 brainwashing and you'll find some introductory details in there to connect some dots into the 356 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:55.759 story that is going on here. I looked up Mormon grew I don't know 357 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.000 what that is honestly. And then Becky Philipowski, which I guess this is 358 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.640 mother. She chimes in and says, you're opening up to your issue. 359 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.960 She's twenty eight, he's twenty. He says, she's twenty eight with an 360 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.880 end game three years ago to have a diamond ring on her hand. When 361 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.880 Kyle left Duke, he was still in high school. So when he was 362 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.960 seventeen in high school, she was twenty five and they were dating, which 363 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.079 is totally weird, to be honest me, it's not. I mean, 364 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.839 it's not like crazy. Again, we're not talking Belichick here, but that's 365 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.440 I mean, first of all, that's illegal if you're like in a relationship 366 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.559 with somebody that's underage. I mean, I'm sure it happens more than people 367 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.559 realize. But his mom is essentially from when I gathered from that tweet saying 368 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.359 that this woman locked him up when he was a kid because he was about 369 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.759 to be a super He's a he's one of the nationally most highly ranked national 370 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.920 players in the country in that class. I mean, he was a McDonald's 371 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.440 American five Star player and she was twenty five, and I guess knew of 372 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.720 it when he was sixteen. Seventeen and got in a relationship, and her 373 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:03.039 plan was to get a diamond ring on her hand and get engaged to this 374 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.559 guy and marry a millionaire. And I guess it's worked, but the money's 375 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.799 not gonna be as great because he slipped to the second round. So that, 376 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.160 I mean, how's this? How's this not a bigger story? I 377 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.880 mean, I guess it's turning into it. But it's all by the work 378 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.839 of random people on Twitter. What a great site. Yeah, I mean 379 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.519 that's kind. I mean, that's that's gross. Isn't it take away just 380 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:27.880 the age difference? But like that, I mean, and I'm sure this 381 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:32.519 happens often and and in fact it does. There are other examples of women 382 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:37.400 who just you know, know that they have a, you know, a 383 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:42.279 very attractive appearance and a you know, a lot to offer as far as 384 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:48.400 looks and you know, maybe some other things, and they'll take advantage of 385 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.400 that or use that to take advantage of NBA players. I mean, I 386 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.119 don't know if you guys know the story of Brittany Renner and PJ. Washington, 387 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.319 but that's like a I mean, that's that's that's that's messed up. 388 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.839 Currently Jalen Green of the Houston Rockets, who I thinks, like, I 389 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:10.319 don't know, twenty it's like twenty years old. But he's with a woman 390 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:15.839 and she's pregnant and she is I think it is nineteen years older than him, 391 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.960 which again that's not a crime, and that's you know, if they're 392 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.960 in love, they're in love. But you know a lot of people just 393 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:29.920 assume women are trying to latch onto a young maybe easy to manipulate millionaire NBA 394 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.839 player and you know, milk it they want the bag too. Yeah. 395 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.400 Well, and also, you know, you got to keep in mind if 396 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:42.920 you, I mean, you are connected to that person for eighteen years, 397 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.200 if they have a kid with you, you're not a relationship, but child 398 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:48.240 support that kind of stuff. Like, I mean, it's a dirty game 399 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:53.200 out there. I mean Britney Renner, who I only know who she is 400 00:27:53.240 --> 00:28:00.559 because of her involvement with athletes and you know, being you know, I 401 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.039 guess the I'm not even sure if it's politically correct, but like you know, 402 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.759 being a being a gold digger or whatever, you know, she she 403 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:14.119 used to speak to. You know, I don't know if it's NBA locker 404 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.839 rooms or what it was, but she was somebody out there like advocating, 405 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.960 hey, watch out, you know, watch out for women who do what 406 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:22.000 I did. I mean, she was out there bragging. I think she 407 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.599 wrote a book maybe about how women can change their lives by you know, 408 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.960 hooking up with an NBA player and you know, knowing that it's their time. 409 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:33.599 You know, it's that time where they can get pregnant, and you 410 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.920 know, if you have a kid, it connects you to somebody that is 411 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.680 probably going to be very wealthy for eighteen years. And although a lot of 412 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.119 that money is supposed to go towards the child, we all know that that's 413 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.640 not really how it works. So it was known that she was doing that. 414 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.960 She wrote a book about it, and then she started dating PJ. 415 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.319 Washington and did the same thing. They had a kid together, she left 416 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.319 him, and now she's getting child support from him for you know, a 417 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.799 long time. So it happens. It happens. You gotta be careful out 418 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:08.599 there, fellas. Gotta be careful. All right. Let's see here trying 419 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.519 to manage the time we have left, not a whole lot of time left, 420 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.440 and we were going to potentially have doctor Larry beins On today but he's 421 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.680 been caught up in some meetings, so we may push that to tomorrow, 422 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.119 but we'll see. I imagine that's what we're gonna have to do, just 423 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.400 given the time right now. But back to Pat Kelsey he talked earlier today. 424 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.519 It was great to hear him, not only you know, talk about 425 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.559 being at Louisville. I mean we've heard him. He's on the show a 426 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.920 couple of weeks ago, he's made his media rounds, and obviously his introductory 427 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.960 press conference months ago was a home run. But today he talked about personnel, 428 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.240 talked about basketball, talked about philosophy, talked about their trip coming up 429 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.480 to the Bahamas. So that that was certainly good to hear. But this 430 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.319 was a question that he was asked, and I don't have the exact question 431 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.480 within the clip, but he was asked essentially who kind of has emerged as 432 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:59.319 the dog, maybe the alpha as far as practiced thus far, and also 433 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.359 asked about a potential starting lineup. And this is, uh, this is 434 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.440 what coach Kelsey had to say purchase of well, who the dogs? I 435 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:12.119 mean, hopefully got a bunch of them. You know, it's like picking 436 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.119 out who's stood out, you know, picking out who's who's the dog. 437 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:19.599 I mean, dogs are competitors, Dogs are winners. Dogs are uh, 438 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.559 you know, guys that don't back down to greit their teeth, that blow 439 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.759 their neck, that that that that. I like to think we got a 440 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:33.640 bunch of them. In terms of my approach to to deciding our starting lineup, 441 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:41.400 compete, compete. There's nobody in that locker room that was promised anything 442 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.799 in recruiting, and there's nobody in that locker room that's been promised anything to 443 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:52.240 this point. I really cannot have a starting lineup conversation until probably the day 444 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.880 before the first game. You might say, oh, this is the guys 445 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.680 that started in the Bahamas. Well those are the guys who are the productive 446 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.119 and practice right up to that point. Maybe not, but there's a lot 447 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:11.839 that goes into that. So I'm hopeful that he has a lot of dogs 448 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:18.519 as well, and maybe he has some you know, maybe he has some 449 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.319 hints as to who may be that guy that just you know, does all 450 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.240 those things that he mentions, and maybe it's maybe it's everybody. I don't 451 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.200 know, But what really stood out to me about that, you know, 452 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:36.839 about that answer, is that in a typical off season press conference. When 453 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:41.480 a coach would be asked that question in the previous world of college athletics, 454 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.000 as far as roster management roster building, you wouldn't expect him to say one 455 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.279 of the true freshmen, you know. You might expect him to say a 456 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.880 guy that's come back for his junior season that's gotten better every year and you're 457 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.240 expecting him to take a big jump, right, because it would just be 458 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.559 somebody that you are expecting to make big leap, maybe a guy going into 459 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.519 a senior season, or maybe a guy coming off of an injury that was 460 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.359 that kind of got prior to injury. Will now, I mean, it's 461 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:08.839 just different with the portal. But also this is a really rare situation where 462 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:14.319 it's thirteen brand new guys, So he can't just give you who you'd expect 463 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:15.200 and give you, you know, and just go and give you the clea 464 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.039 and just give you the expected answer. I feel like, I mean, 465 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.640 I'm assuming I assume he was being genuine there, but I feel like at 466 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.799 this point you're better off not mentioning anybody by name, just because these guys 467 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.599 are going to know what you say, and you want to keep everybody competing 468 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:31.960 which goes to the next part of that question, which was starting lineup. 469 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.759 You know, compete, compete. Nobody was promised any playing time, nobody 470 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.759 was promised anything, guaranteed anything, So you got to work for it. 471 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:44.519 And that's healthy. And I don't mean like the promise or guarantee. I 472 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.279 mean competition's healthy. And that's what really really excites me, among many other 473 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:54.759 things about this team and the personnel, is that there's nobody that I feel 474 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:01.839 like is miles ahead of the others at their position. I mean, i'd 475 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.519 say Chucky Hepburn has to be the guy that is going to be your starting 476 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.480 I mean, I mean, obviously you could play Corn Davis at the one, 477 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.480 but I mean I would imagine Chucky Hepburn. It'd be a huge surprise 478 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.000 if he's not your starting point guard. But everywhere else, I mean, 479 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.759 you've got options, man, and you you're going to have to compete. 480 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.759 Because if it's Terrence Edwards Junior one day and he's looking like the you know, 481 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.079 sun Belt player of the year that you just brought in and he's a 482 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.559 big addition, and he you know, starts to coast a little bit, 483 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:34.519 Well, maybe Javon Hadley's gonna be right there competing with him to steal a 484 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.039 spot. Maybe it's Cador tree Ora. I mean, like, I mean, 485 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.759 you've got to have to compete. I mean, Noah Waterman and in 486 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.799 case in prior. I mean, those are two guys that you know, 487 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.160 I'm sure you can play them together, and that's a good thing. There's 488 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.200 a lot of these guys that are very versatile. You have guys that some 489 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.839 of the guys that can play two, three and four, and you've got 490 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.440 guys that can play probably three, four and five if need be. I 491 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.960 mean, you've got a lot of versatility here. But man, it's going 492 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:04.799 to be healthy as far as competition because there's nobody that can just you know, 493 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.440 kind of go through the motions and not have it impact their minutes. 494 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.800 And that's good. Now, I'd say, you know, the downside of 495 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.159 that would be and it's not a downside necessarily, but it's more I guess 496 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:16.480 the potential concern is that, like, you got a bunch of dudes who 497 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.679 are kind of all average and not and not good enough. But I don't 498 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.000 think that's the case. I think you have some really good players here, 499 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:28.519 some talented guys that you know, you could you could have. You're gonna 500 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.840 have versatility, you're gonna have depth at most positions. You got shooting. 501 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.880 So I mean, I don't want to talk this team up like they're about 502 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:37.920 to go on a run and you know, make a Final four. But 503 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:43.360 uh, the way the roster had to be built, meaning everybody out, 504 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.800 all new guys. In best way to get players immediately that can help you 505 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.360 is to go through the portal. So twelve or thirteen guys are portal guys 506 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.039 that have that have college basketball experience. So you know, with that, 507 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.400 it worked out to where this was just the way it was going to be. 508 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:04.800 You're gonna have dudes that are competing NonStop and that's good. And as 509 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.679 far as leadership, I don't know who's going to be that guy. I 510 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.559 mean, I think it's always good if your point guard can be a good 511 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.800 leader. And I think chuckiy Hepburn starting every single game when he was at 512 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:15.920 Washington or Wisconsin is a good sign of that. Starting as a true freshman 513 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.039 of the Big Ten as a point guard is a good sign of leadership, 514 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.760 I'd say, but they're all veterans who probably had leadership roles where they were 515 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:30.039 previously I mean in case I prior Javon Hadley, Terrence Edwards Junior. So 516 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.440 I think you can have some collective leadership if everybody's kind of on the same 517 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.320 page and they're mature. But the one guy, he kind of slipped up 518 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.119 and did, and he kind of almost tried to walk it back, like 519 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.960 I shouldn't single anybody out, but he said Javon Hadley, and he did 520 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.000 mention that you know, you just always hear him. He's a loud he's 521 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.360 vocal, which is good, which is good. So I can't wait. 522 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.119 I can't wait. And these guys are going to be playing in games in 523 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.840 the Bahamas a month from now, and good vibes for basketball, no doubt. 524 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.320 All right, quick break will come back. Put the finishing touches here 525 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.000 on a another Draft day edition of Coffee and Company. Again, I had 526 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.079 no clue the draft was going on as we speak, and still don't know 527 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:07.360 why, but it is. We'll get you caught up. I guess on 528 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.320 how the second round is played out up to this point, So don't go 529 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.440 anywhere. It's Coffee and Company. Feel Abut Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety 530 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:21.360 So the reason that the NBA Draft played out this way this week is because 531 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.039 of the presidential election tonight. I guess a smart move on their part to 532 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.840 realize that you don't want to be competing with that as far as viewership, 533 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:36.719 and the draft is always the last week of June, and I guess that's 534 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.920 why they did last night. I mean, they should have done both rounds 535 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.760 last night and just made it that, But I don't know. I feel 536 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.840 like you could have probably had more people watching it tonight than would watch it 537 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.800 in the daytime, even if you are competing with the presidential election anative. 538 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.760 Yeah, but what do I know, you know, I mean, yeah, 539 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.400 they'll there'll be people watching. I mean, heck, I'm going to 540 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.239 watch some of it. But I think it might be comedy, or it 541 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.159 might be it might it might be sadness. Maybe I'm wrong, but I 542 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.360 feel like most people, at least if it were me, I'm probably not 543 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.360 gonna tune into the debate. But if I were to, it's because I 544 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.400 want to laugh at both of them, Like completely, this has nothing to 545 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.599 do with politics at all. It's just the characters that we're talking about that 546 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.760 are running for president. Yes, I'm gonna be eager to see if Joe 547 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.400 Biden looks like he knows what planet he's on, and Trump's gonna say things 548 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.280 that's gonna make you think, like how was this guy ever the president? 549 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.000 He's the least presidential and some people think that's like a quality. Well he's 550 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.480 not a politician or something. But I mean, and like Trump's gonna make 551 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.119 fun of Biden, Like we know that's gonna happen, right, yes, 552 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.679 Like he's just gonna make fun of him and that's not nice and that's Trump 553 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.719 being Trump. But like you know what, I don't want to see some 554 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.519 people getting offended because like you already know it's coming. Don't get offended about 555 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:57.039 what Trump says about Biden and vice versa. I know, I know nobody's 556 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.239 gonna listen to that. I mean, people are gonna get offended by, 557 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.920 whether they get offended by but just Biden doesn't know what he's saying, and 558 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.840 oftentimes we don't know what he's saying either, if we're being honest, and 559 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.280 with with Trump, I mean, I don't know. With Trump, you 560 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:15.519 know more what to expect, and I guess the unexpected from Biden is again 561 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.880 just like how coherent is he is going to fall asleep the microphone. Yeah, 562 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.480 I mean, and I'm sure I have at times fallen for some deep 563 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:30.280 fake stuff that maybe isn't one thousand percent legit as far as like his mumbling 564 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.679 and just and you know, just when he went on Howard Stern, he 565 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.719 sounded very not coherent, but like I mean, he only he had to 566 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:44.280 be trained to be. It wasn't It was a very we all know how 567 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.639 I probably shouldn't even brought it up because I'm not doing a great job of 568 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.920 explaining it, but it was very interesting. Well, the the one thing 569 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.920 that just really stands out to me, and I don't want to laugh because 570 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.559 like you know, I don't want to make I'm not making fun of people, 571 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.960 I guess, I mean, but the visual of him finishing up on 572 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.840 a stage and having to be like guided as he walks away, it's wild 573 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.000 to me, Like it's just you know what I'm talking about, the you 574 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.840 know, the little a little strut where like he's somebody's gonna if nobody's there 575 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.920 next to him, he might just walk off the stage and die. I 576 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.760 mean, because he gives is boned. He's just old. It might just 577 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.800 fall over, you know, So you know, it's gonna be one of 578 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.079 these two guys, right, I mean this is this is it forty five 579 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:32.079 or forty six, will be forty seven. Yeah, still doesn't seem real 580 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:38.400 at times, but here we are. I mean, Bronnie James, I 581 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.400 mean he's gonna get drafted at potentially five in the afternoon. If he does 582 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.039 get drafted, or maybe he has I don't know. All I do know 583 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.000 is that we are at a time and I thank you all for hanging out. 584 00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.440 Appreciate it. Hope you enjoyed yourself here with us. If not, 585 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:53.800 come back again tomorrow we'll try it over. We'll do it again, see 586 00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:02.199 what happens. Have good night, everybody ins