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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and now it's time for the Paranormal

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peep Show. It's hi, welcome
to the Paranormal peep Show. And the

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very special thing about this episode is
the Christmas Special, So welcome to everybody.

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Welcome Andy. First of all,
Happy Christmas, Andy, How are

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you Happy Christmas as well? To
you Neil? So you've got a busy

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year, Andy, Yeah, I
mean Halloween is now over. However,

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I've been working on something pretty cool, which is our Christmas posters, which

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is not going to focus because it's
I don't know that your post I do

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what it's doing. Why that's weird. So it's not quit it. I

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can see it now. Yeah,
So it's phasing in and out like a

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ghost basically our Christmas posters for the
psychic events that we're doing. Wow,

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what's going on? So you're doing
them all over the Heartford Cheer area and

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beyond, Yeah, heart for sheer
Essex, a bit of North London and

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yeah, we were kind of like
making the format slightly so it was going

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to be it was kind of one
to one was the main thing, and

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kind of we were doing like a
group demo on the side, but we're

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flipping that over now, so it's
going to be more about the group demo

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and the one to ones on the
side. So I'm going to be getting

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myself out there a bit more and
doing the whole mediumship psychic thing. We've

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got a very talented magician as well
that works with us called Mick, and

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he he dazzles people with his party
tricks. So that's quite fun. Oh,

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brilliant, brilliant And what is it? Out of interest does what does

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MiG think of the paranormal the psychics? Now, this is quite interesting.

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So he was at some point a
member of the Magic Circle. I don't

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think he is now he kind of
stepped back from it, but he says

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that in the magic field, magic
magic basically kind of it was started by

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the magi, I think, like
a tribe way way way back, and

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it did actually start as an occultic
supernatural belief system. So it did believe

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in the It did believe in the
kind of like the ghosts and spirit its

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and psychic ability. It then kind
of drifted into kind of like illusions in

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terms of kind of like conning people
in a way with kind of tricks and

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illusions making them think one thing,
sorting a lady in half and then turns

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out the ladies fine, she stands
up, and it's all well, and

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you know, goes off in the
kind of like the mentalism and the Darren

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Brown air and that kind of thing. But it's it's for for for what

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Mick says, it's very divided in
the community. So you've got half half

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the magicians actually think it's all load
of old cod'swallop and they just think it's

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purely purely Darwinian kind of thinking,
and everything's illusion. Everything is kind of

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conning people, and there's no such
thing as the paranormal or the spiritual.

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But the other half of the magic
community do actually believe in it. And

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what's really interesting is that they're the
ones that keep their mouths shut shut most

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of the time because they don't want
people taking the piss or they don't want

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to be kind of, you know, kind of portrayed to somebody who's a

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bit woo woo wooll in mind thinking. So it's the whole thing of the

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kind of the you get the shoutiest, gobbiest ones, and we've we were

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talking just before we recorded this about
one particular person that was a bit shouting

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gobby to do. The space field, not so much the magic field,

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but the space field that for some
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get the lime lights, they get
the attention, and they get the kind

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of the focus on the mainstream media. And the ones that kind of keep

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it, keep it a bit quiet, don't. They stay in the background.

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But they do. Some magicians do
actually believe in the supernatural and the

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occult, but they're afraid to speak
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know that they did add for the
Skull Experiment and magician that went there and

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took part in it, and you
know, he actually said that there's stuff

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that occurred in the Skull Experiment,
which was a psychic kind of medium physical

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mediumship kind of circle running for five
years and the religious Skull in in the

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late eighties early nineties, and he
said there's things out that he can produce.

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Yeah. Same in the nineteen seventies
with the Enfield Haunting. The Enfield

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Haunting had police officers, they had
news reporters, and they had magicians.

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They bought in magicians to try and
work out how the girls were doing things,

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and they couldn't quite work out how
a lego brick was dropped and he

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went from the upstairs through the ceiling
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They couldn't work it out, so
yeah, interesting in it interesting, very

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interesting? Right, Well, we
better get to our guests. We got

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this special to get through, and
I think I've got a few Min's pies

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to hand out in a minute,
so stand by with your false teeth to

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get them into my lovely Min's pies. First of all, welcome our regular

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guest who's been a regular guest and
also a co host this year is Ben

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Emlyn Jones. Welcome back, Ben, Hello Neil. Great to be back.

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Hello Andy Jarrey, Hello Ben do
it it's lovely to be back here

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again. I met Gary for the
first time and no, I know we

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very well from talking to him online, but I've never met him before until

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now. He'd like face to face
to talk to which is really really great.

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You know we've not actually met face
to face, but you know this

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is the next best thing. Yeah, exacly, Yeah, it's it's been

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quiet. It's been a busy year, a very busy year doing I've done

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a hell of a lot. I've
done things, I've never done before.

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I went on. I've done actually
a field research expedition. I went on

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to the Isle of Man and actually
did some field research, something that I

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don't often do, actually probably not
enough, and had a wonderful time,

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had a really good time. I've
been in many conferences, including the Stairways

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the Stars in Las Vegas, USA. And I've taken part in the Oxford

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fight Back, which is like resistance
because we're the original fifteen minute city.

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So yeah, listing it. So
I've done that as well. So good.

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It's been quite a year twenty twenty
three. He really has. Of

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course, the UFO situation, the
disclosure is situation, was really accelerated this

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year in ways that I never predicted. If you remember, we we did

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cover this from previous shows with what
watching in twenty twenty three is going to

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be like? And I said,
oh, I'm gonna We're going to see

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like whistleblowers and hearings and something.
No, that will never happen. If

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I'd have said that happened, and
it did. Yeah, it all started

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off with a few stray balloons and
look where it's ended up, you know,

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Mexican mummies. Yeah, talking a
loon and three objects to exercise.

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Talking to Mexico. Gary currently in
Hawill Hampstead, but he also resides in

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Mexico. Welcome once more back to
the Paranormal peep Show, Gary Robs,

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Thanks mate, and how are you
Gary? Pretty good? It's been back

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in the UK for six months.
I can honestly say I haven't attended any

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paranormal UFO conferences as I've been mad
busy, but I've been keeping you know,

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my finger on the pulse through paranormal
peak show true groof pausing, clear

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pam woa. Of course. Yeah, we're they're the ones to listen out

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for, to keep you know,
to earn your paranormal and a cold and

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UFO knowledge because we steal it all
off everybody else and just bug it back

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out. But no, we have
our people on the ground. Fan of

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Oh sorry, carry on, Gary. I was going to saund a big

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fan of Andy's woke takedowns. That
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and Neil got into that on my
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Yes, Andy would be there join
Garry was missing Andy and he really wanted

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to kind of do some woke stuff. We'll have to do it a woke

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special, Neil, another work.
You know, I don't think anyone does

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it better than Andy just directs.
Yeah, Andy, do you have your

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little honkin horn on standby? You
know you should really then go. I

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think we should have because we do
this monthly, Neil, don't we We

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should have anoun special. So this, this clown horn is especially reserved for

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the private jets that we're going to
a company any rich millionaires flying to COP

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twenty three no COP twenty eight Climate, a climate change and global warming awareness

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thing in order to ask us to
cut down our carbon footprint. And the

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private jets were grounded because of one
of the worst snowstorms in Britain. So

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a big hunk just to Gretathenburg and
all of the climate clowns. Well,

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we can celebrate that a bit more
because I've got some lovely mince pies and

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other nice tasty things. Is so
if your fancy one, I shall pass

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them through the magic, the occult
magic of the screen and help yourself.

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Everybody. Oh, look at that. I'll like this into a mug.

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So I'm just going to drink from
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on the rich planet starship. Yeah, yeah, look at that tasty glob.

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There is no expenses sped on the
CGI special effects. Neil Mine's transounded.

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It looks I made. Yeah,
those do kind of handers to go

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through hyperspace, and yeah it might
use a bit of there, lose a

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bit of their kind of flavor,
but they're still good. You know,

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they're still in dat according to the
day that I'm operating from. Anyway,

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all this mu's nice. This is
my first one of the seasons and it's

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delicious excellent. So Gary, Yeah, when we last spoke, we were

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talking about your life in Mexico and
things like that, and we never quite

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got to compete in a lot of
your stories. So that's right. I

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thought we'll start off this part of
the show with some of your interesting tales

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from Mexico and Hemil and beyond so
far away with some interesting things if you

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want to entertain us whilst we'd much
on me. Absolutely so. I guess

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I was always interested in UFOs and
alternative subjects, but like most people during

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your sort of twenties and thirties,
you know, I kind of fell out

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a bit a bit until I started
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to Mexico The first thing that happened
was before I was married, and I

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was just visiting the wife, you
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would stay in this old house in
Monterey, which is a city in the

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north of Mexico, but in the
mountains. If you've ever seen Predator,

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the jungles from Predator are just on
the outskirts of the city, so where

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the actual buildings. It's almost like
Los Angeles, but you're looking out over

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to you know, jungles and mountains
and miss It's crazy. Anyway, we

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were staying in this old house that
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think the first night we were there, we were lying on bed looking out

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over the mountains literally, and I
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the sky, whizzing back different directions, and I couldn't believe what we was

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seeing. So, you know,
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looking out and we can see like
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happened by airports, don't they.
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well, you would look at the
lights from the planes, but planes

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don't zip across the sky and disappear
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of go off and do something else. But what we saw in the sort

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of months to come, as shows
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saw what they would, you know, people were describing, you know,

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the the erratic UFOs that are always
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sky. There's a term they used
to describe them. I don't know if

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Ben can remember remember this as fast
walkers. I'm not sure that they were

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very They moved so fast and they
changed directions so quickly. I mean,

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how on earth is that plane at
the end of the day. I mean,

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we're looking out across where the airport
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not going to be a plane zipping
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of got interested in the subject again, but I didn't see anything else in

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Mexico. Returned to the UK after
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and so first the first thing that
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and I just happened to be looking
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townhouse across town towards London on the
phone and what I actually saw was I

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described it as I've got white fire
the size of the sun. That stayed

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there for about ten seconds. As
it faded out, it left the outline

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of a perfect circle, which was
also glowing. So what on earth was

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that? And then that eventually faded
to nothing. It was really strange,

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you know. Yeah, the same
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of course no explanation for that.
But that was in the direction of London.

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In those days, I used to
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I used to live with my grandmother
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from so I come home one day
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living room and she says to me, you know, she calls me in

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and she's all concerned. She tells
me that a huge rainbow colored sphere has

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been sitting outside the window, but
the whole day she described it as watching

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her. He says, I was
close to calling the police. I didn't

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know what to do. She said, I was going to find you at

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work. She said, it's only
just gone. It's been there all day,

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and I thought, well on earth
could that be? I mean,

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I don't know how I got the
best description from her that I could.

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She was very old and she was
in her eighties and the only way that

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she could describe it was that it
was a sphere that was rainbow colored,

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had the colors of the rainbow,
and they were all, you know,

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like moving and undulating and at this
was quite big, and she couldn't understand

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why nobody else had seen it and
it was just outside their house. Just

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how how far? How far up
roughly? Which you saying, like up

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in the shop? I said it? She said, it was just above

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the rooftops. So typical Hamil townhouse
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townhouse. It's nobody else saw it. There's no neighbors, nobody came out,

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and well we were no no one
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with everyone in that street because she'd
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we knew everyone. Not not a
word from anyone else. And it wasn't

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long after that that the next thing
happened, which was see in my room.

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Like my bedroom, my studio and
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so I'm always on the phone looking
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the house looks over to Looton airport
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looking at the London side again and
I see think floating slowly again just above

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the rooftops from I guess it was
London direction towards the house. And as

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they got closer, I decided to
cool good Man upstairs and have a look

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something else. Another strange goings on. And as it got close, it

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was like the size of the football, kind of like carbon fiber texture.

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similar? These are small spherical objects. Yeah, solid structure, not just

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solid solid structure, but you could
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even though it was very smooth and
there there were no markings, no lemishes

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or anything. Yeah, it goes
over the house. I mean, it

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wasn't much higher than the rooftop.
So we go to the other bedroom looking

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out towards at an airport and we
watched this thing float off over the fields

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actually in the actually Gluton airport,
just in a straight line, slowly,

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never changing speed. And what I
will say about that is that someone I

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know who it's, shall we say, an authority or in an authority to

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position, but I probably shouldn't reveal
on the show. Told me, we

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know about those and we know where
to go to watch them, but we

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don't know what they are. Yeah, that's pretty extraordinary because they've been seeing

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a place like crop circles and you
know, Colin Andrews said, you know,

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he was basically fed all kineges.
It's too long a story to tell

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here. Basically, Colin Andrews was
involved in a government research projects in the

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late eighties into crop circles and they
they basically led him up the garden path.

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It was pretty clear he was They
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disinformation while the the MATH that's the
Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food was

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carrying out its own private, secret
investigation. It's called death ra today the

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Department of Environments and Food and Rural
Affairs that they were carrying out their own

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secret investigation. But just just literally
over the hill in the next field.

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Yeah, there are quite a lot
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that Philip and Ronnie who had joined
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experience of the sphere when they were
children with their own remember that story.

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Yeah, Yeah, just to recap
for listeners, and viewers that are not

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aware of it. But I mean, obviously they could tell you themselves.

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But as I understand that, they
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this sphere came down across the way
or something, and then came down from

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over the fence or the hedge and
came down almost like opposite there to the

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side, you know, like the
height of their heads, looked at them

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for about two or three seconds maybe, and then buzzed up and looked appeared

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to look I think in the bedroom
window of the house, and then went

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off somewhere over the roof somewhere.
And they said to their grandmother, I

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think there's eight or nine years old
at the time, twin brothers, and

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they said, Grandma, what's that? And she said to them, oh,

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don't worry, it's just the fairies
come in to chink on us or

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something like that. And obviously it
must have spooked her a little bit,

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but she didn't want to frighten the
boys as they were back then by saying,

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oh my god, I don't know
what it is, or is a

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UFO or whatever, so doing it
in a friendly tone, saying it's a

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nice fairies come to say Hello,
it kind of helped to kind of calm

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the situation, I think more.
Yeah, but they look back on it

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now, they look back on it, I think with wonderment. But also

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there was fondness with their grandmother,
who was obviously very protective of them and

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stuff, you know, looking back
on it, But obviously you know from

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their perspective now, as as as
people that write books on UFOs and the

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paranormal, they've got very much of
a much more clearer perspective of what they

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encountered. They can't say what it
was, but I think they know the

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kind of phenomena that was more integrated
with rather than the fairies as such.

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But yeah, carry on. Garrett's
very interested in these things because the fact

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that your nan you ironically you've seen
these were your nan as well. It

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seems to be a band phenomena.
Yes, our spherical object wasn't so interested

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in us that it just passed them
head. But that's another subject, isn't

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it? Are they fairies or are
they aliens? That's something that a lot

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of people, I mean some discuss
Some people say are they aliens or are

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they demons? So that's yeah,
and it kind of depends it depends.

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I mean, I'm not going to
mention them. But I've been in contact

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with somebody who approached me who lives
in Manchester, and she's been experiencing some

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quite interesting UFO and ET things going
on. Her story it's more on the

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positive side. It's more on the
not exactly the love and light side,

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but on the healing side. And
they she she got bounced onto me because

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somebody read it and I don't.
I don't quite know what read it is.

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I think it's something where people go
and it's a forum where they ask

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question something like that, and they
basically suggested paranormal beep show. And she

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contacted me through deep show, I
will say, actually frending on Reddit.

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Yeah. I'm not going to name
her obviously, but she it was this

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fascinating. She gives me regular updates
and she's been telling me what's been going

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on, and her her family background
is a bit military and a bit r

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F oriented. I'll just leave it
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be the ones with the with the
military background that have this kind of thing

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going on. And I think there's
also some other shenanigans and this is clownhorn

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time. So the complete dickheads who
keep putting porn on our Facebook page for

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the Paranormal peep Show. Could you
f off? Please be really quite irritating

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now for some reason. And you
won't know this now because you've come off

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Facebook, but on Paranormal peep Show
on our Facebook page, it is inundated

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with bot fake fake profiles of people
basically putting porn pictures and porn videos which

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get immediately taken out. That if
they if they're doing this, Ben Ben,

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you had a theory, they could
either be liberal left wokes or they

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could be the three letter alphabet agencies
in America on their the I don't know,

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crusade against the truthers and people who
want to get this information out there.

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Or maybe they just understand they misunderstood
because let's just see the word peeps

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when they get the wrong with this. This is another thing I wondered.

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I wondered if it's some kind of
algorithm that's kind of like crawling Facebook and

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social media looking for things like peep
Show and then dumping its crap on.

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Yeah, I mean, I meant
it as a joke, but seriously,

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that might be Yeah, it might
be the reason because they're all fake bots,

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and and I keep banning them,
every single one I just banned,

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ban banned. So whether the Chinese
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I don't know, but they keep
getting banned, and if they think

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that they're actually impacting on us,
they're not. We're not getting any strikes

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or warnings or anything because it's on
a mode where Facebook picks it up automatically.

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There's there's a thing that you can
select, like if you if you

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think someone's about to spam with nudity, you can click delete it immediately.

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So they're now getting deleted immediately.
But it's it's quite irritating that there's things

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like that out there. I mean, what what do they whoever's behind it

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or whatever's going on, What do
they hope to achieve from This is what

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I don't understand, because obviously social
media is going to remove nudity, and

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especially Facebook is going to remove sexual
content, So why why even bother in

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the first place. This is what
baffles me. I mean, they might

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think it will stop people from you
in the page, but this is as

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a certain percentage of people that work, then they won't look at the page.

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Yeah, that's what their game is
I think that's I think that's probably

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why. So again it could it
could be kind of far left wokes.

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Because I'm vehemently anti woke. I
hate woke, So any kind of like

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far leftists listening twice, I would
probably want to cancel it. And because

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we're not actually saying anything that controversial, they're going to have a bit of

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a job actually properly canceling it.
So the next step would be kind of

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like dumpload of pawn on there and
hope just getting But it has been that

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people have tried that. I mean, I mean, it could be just

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they're trying to draw you. It's
advertising certain websites, I mean Mike getting

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in boxes and for and requests from
people whether they're real or not. I

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mean, they look to me like
prostitutes. Yeah, and I always get

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friend requests that's just from them.
And I have a I've had there's a

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friend of mine that goes scammed.
Neil's frozen up. Sorry, Andy,

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Neil's frozen up again. Yeah I'm
still here. I can see my image

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movie. Okay. Yeah, so
a friend of mine is does scam baiting.

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I do if I if I've got
the time, I can't help myself.

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So my name is Dad and I
am from Russia and I would like

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a lovely husband. This is my
picture and know this kind of thing,

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and sometimes most of the time I
just delete it. But if I'm in

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the mood, if I'm in a
cheeky, mischievous mood, I'll go along

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with it and I'll just see how
far i can take it. And there's

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a friend of mine who who's trying
to get the scammer involved in a known

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cult, and there's the foundation for
no Miss in the UK. We've got

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a little form as well that they
can fill in to join the known cult

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as well. That fantastic, fantastic, So Gary, who up but your

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guard into your urophone experiences? Do
you have any ghostly stores as it's Christmas,

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you know what? I do have
one which is a little bit spooky

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but maybe not very cinematic, which
is in the same house. It's where

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I saw the zip Zapper UFOs in
Monterey. I was told by my wife

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at the time, well before we
were married. She was just one of

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the housemates, but the girl that
owned it. It's terrified at the place.

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It was quite a modern house,
but you would walk in, and

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that was like a huge crucifix on
the staircase with Christ and he was blooded

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and it was very atmospheric in a
bad way. Anyway. They said that

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they would wake up and there would
beat this guy in the bedroom and he

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would just stand in the corner and
look at them, and he was like

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a young handsome guy in a suit. And they'd had a number of sleepovers

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with like you know, all the
girls after the clubs, staying in one

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specific room. They would wake up, this guy would be there. They'd

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go to another room for a sleep
and the guy would eventually appear in the

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corner of the room at night.
Not nowever, don't believe any of this

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because you know, I wasn't particularly
wom minded at that point. Other than

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seeing the UFOs, I wasn't sure
to think. But one particular night,

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we were staying there, meaning is
a built, staying there alone, and

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basically we settled down for the night, lights out, were exhausted, and

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we can hear somebody coming in.
We can hear somebody walking up the stairs.

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I can see footsteps under the door, you know, because the door

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had a huge gap. I can
hear somebody knocking at the door. We

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decided just just to hide, but
the alarm system was the alarm system would

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have needed to be deactivated for someone
to get in, and that didn't happen.

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Next morning, there's no one there
in the house, so that was

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my only paranoral experience. But it
just didn't feel good and we just decided

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to hide until it went away.
But that was footsteps and knocking at the

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door, so there's no doubt about
it. And it struck me enough to

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actually tell a few people about it, who actually a friend of mine in

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Scotland actually shared a similar experience with
me that he had where he actually heard

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a voice after someone was knocking and
saying hello, Hello, which was pretty

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freaky. But I think the freakiest
thing that happened to me in Mexico.

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I told you about this after the
last show, Neil, and this is

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something that kind of had a profound
effect on me. Is every time I

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tell people about it, it doesn't
generate any interest on what it is.

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I used to sit on the roof
of my house, which is a flat

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roof, at the end of the
day and just a skywatching rollas have at

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of water right about six pm.
So one day I'm looking at the stars.

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Nothing out of the ordinary is going
on. I'm ready to go back

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in Soie. So I get to
the part of the roof where I'd climbed

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down. As soon as I hit
the floor outside my back door, I

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look up over the top of me
fliers, a flock of birds that were

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made out of fire and light,
and they were fully animated. They were

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fully animated, a flock of about
ten birds. I watched them for about

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five seconds fly over until they disappeared, and it was like golden fiery light.

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I could see like the light inside
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the limbs, if that makes sense. At the same time, the wings

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were flapping, and I guarantee there
was no mushrooms or ayahuasca involved. At

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that point, I hadn't taken any
stuff like that, So what the hell

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that was? I remember you had
an explanation for me as to what they

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might have been, and i've clearly
I now remember the story. But I'm

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trying to remember what the ex about
that, Garry. I remember you telling

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me to any ideas spent what it
might be. It's it sounds remarkable,

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I mean, I think I want
to see it. It was unreal.

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Yeah, if I remember, there
was. I managed to find something from

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from local mythology, phoenix that is
like, yeah, similar to that,

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phoenix is something that's born out of
its own ashes. But I know there

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were there's there were. Actually I
found out there was a legend of birds

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made of fire dating back to pre
Columbian times, veryld, very older legends.

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And I can't remember. I don't
remember the details of Gary. I

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remember you telling me this, but
it was a couple of years ago.

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Yeah, I remember you telling me
about this. Yeah, but that's that's

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that's the strong stros I was.
I was standing there for a minute so

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in the dark, thinking what else
I've just seen. And of course people

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might say, oh, it's a
hologram or it's you know, something similar.

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But the time where we live is
quite a wasteland. I mean,

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we can cross the border into Dorio, Texas and you're in civilization. But

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where we are it's a mixture of
mainly poor houses huts, and then the

407
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,680
odd middle class house and the odd
mansion. There is no there are no

408
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,319
night clubs with holograms or anything like
that. It's pretty It's like something a

409
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:17,319
Mad Max. It's like a backwater
Mexican town on the border is what will

410
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,599
be? What will be? It
is if you could have a look at

411
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:25,599
into kind of Aztec and Incan mythology, see if there's any kind of firebirds

412
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,319
in depictions in their symbolism on the
pyramids. Yeah, I know what I

413
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,400
didn't think of that. We do
have some twenty minutes down the road we

414
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,680
have some sort of Mayan gods like
statues, rain gods, other stuff.

415
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,559
And strangely enough, just down the
road from me, there's a highway that

416
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,279
takes you from where we live all
the way to San Antonio, Texas.

417
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,640
And my brother in law one night, apparently I was in the car asleep.

418
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,039
It was driving me from the airport. He actually saw a thunderbird,

419
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,880
as in a real thunderbird, and
he actually slowed down. So whether that's

420
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,480
connected to it, But what he
said was it was a it was an

421
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,720
eagle the size of a man,
sitting on the side of the road,

422
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:14,440
and it was as in an anatomically
correct eagle. And he just said he

423
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,519
slowed down and looked at it,
couldn't believe what he was looking at.

424
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,720
Couldn't wake me up because I was
jet lagged. So whether that has some

425
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:24,400
kind of meaningful connection with you know, Birds of Light under Bird. As

426
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,039
I say, the size of the
man is not not in terms of wingspan,

427
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,359
in terms of the size of the
No, the body. Yeah,

428
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,359
from the feet to the head was
like the size of the large man,

429
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:40,319
so that the wings would have been
huge. Yeah. Hardcore skeptic, Yeah

430
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,599
yeah, yeah, yeah, he's
a he's a hardcore skeptic, so there

431
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:50,720
was no reason to him so underd
Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. And

432
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,960
talking of things in Mexico, obviously, I know you're you're you're not there

433
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,720
now, but I mean, uh, are you getting like from from the

434
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:07,039
family. Are out there any kind
of opinions on these Mexican UFO alien bodies

435
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,839
presidently to us. Oh, I've
got my own opinions on them. Yeah,

436
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,960
yeah, be share. This is
the this is these are the little

437
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,319
white statues that himI Massan was.
That's correct. Yeah, Well, I

438
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:22,200
think I go along with what you
said recently, Nil in one of the

439
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,480
recent shows where you said that they
just look like something somebody would have made

440
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,559
a thousand years ago to represent like
a god, like a crew carving,

441
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,400
because they don't look real. Yeah, but I guess I've got to play

442
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,279
skeptic on this one because the trouble
is in Mexico and this is a cultural

443
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,920
thing. People get excited, like
really easy and they buy into something,

444
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,640
and I think this is what happened
to himI Massan. I think it was

445
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,279
about fifteen years ago where somebody made
like a fake faery being out of body

446
00:33:54,319 --> 00:34:00,400
parts and tap, and they gave
it to him and he just immediately lost

447
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,480
it and went through global and said
like, I've got body at the fairy.

448
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,839
And it was only when in the
lab they could they found that there

449
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,000
was super glue holding like the limbs
together. And I can't help but think,

450
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,039
you know, based on looking at
those things that they just don't look

451
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,719
very genuine. In fact, to
me, they don't even look very old.

452
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,119
So they how they can say that
there was alien eggs inside them or

453
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,199
whatever they were saying. I just
I just don't get that. But I

454
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,880
do think it's a case of the
Mexican cultural thing where somebody says, yeah,

455
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,480
look at this, you know,
and then I'm in the sand,

456
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,280
gets really excited and you can buy
it into it, and then they just

457
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,480
go all out, and that is
that is the way of things. In

458
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,719
Mexico. You know, it's like
it's somebody who opens a restaurant. The

459
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,400
right person says, that's the best
techo stand in the city, then that's

460
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,039
the one that everyone floods to.
You know, can add something? I

461
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,280
add something to this, Actually,
yeah, sure, I've actually just interviewed

462
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Steve Mahyer for my own show.
Steve carried out an investigation into these objects

463
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,320
back in twenty eighteen, and what
he found out was that these are actually

464
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:13,800
there are actually constructions. They're constructed
out of a mixture of random human bones

465
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,960
and animal bones, many of which
are actually robbed from the graves of the

466
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,800
classical civilizations of Peru, and this
is doing terrible damage accidentally to the architectural

467
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:31,360
world of that ancient country. And
unfortunately, yep, they are basically the

468
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,840
large one known as Maria, actually
is a human body, but it has

469
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,800
like a fake head put on it, made from a carved skull of a

470
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,239
lama. And there's another one that's
got a dog's head on it. And

471
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,320
this I thought, you know,
we both of us thought this had been

472
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,079
forgotten. But then suddenly they reappear
at this hearing in Mexico, and all

473
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,199
the newspapers can talk about the next
day of these strange objects, these mummies

474
00:35:55,199 --> 00:36:00,559
apparently, which is unfortunately discredits a
lot of what else happened in this remarkable

475
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:04,199
event. It should have been a
real it should have been a wonderful moment.

476
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,199
But himI really really dropped a clang
at the last minute there, and

477
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,039
Jimi my son is I think he
lets his imagination runs away with him.

478
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:16,960
His enthusiasm, I think overtakes him. And he does sometimes promote fake,

479
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,199
fake stories. Now, some people
say it's malice and greed. Are to

480
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,480
give him the benefit of the doubt, I'd say, I think it's because

481
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:30,639
he he is just he's just a
little bit ungrounded, or very ungrounded.

482
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,639
He does promote some genuine cases as
well, and he researches some genuine cases

483
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:38,559
too. I mean like the mirror
the Marida alien, the one in the

484
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:42,719
alleyway where the alien reaches out and
grabs the boy playing football. You messed

485
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,480
in that video? That's that,
you say, Mirador, I think I've

486
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,920
been there. Actually, yeah,
there's an alley way, there's a there's

487
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,599
a videos, but he's filmed on
an old nineteen nineties mobile phone. It's

488
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:54,880
not very good. Quality. Okay, he see a bunch of kids playing

489
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,360
football at night and literally there's some
creature pokes his head out from behind a

490
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,800
a lamp post and reaches out a
very long arm and perhaps one of the

491
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,280
boys and they run Scheming. He
helped her well, he didn't really do

492
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,920
much of the investigation. He did
visit some Virginia, Brazil, where there's

493
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,800
a very very significant case there.
But generally speaking, he's not someone I

494
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,400
would I would trust, and I'd
like to say you shouldn't get him involved

495
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,119
in things like this, but unfore
she would hire me. You can't really

496
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,920
stop him, and I think it
physically would be impossible to stop him.

497
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,119
You're getting into this event. I
think a column of tanks would would not

498
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,119
even be able to prevent him from
getting into that. Avantes, he's just

499
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,719
I think it's a Mexican thing.
Ben. It's like it might sound a

500
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,719
bit racist, but they have sort
of like a general quality control issue.

501
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:52,480
They rush into everything that sounds a
bit harsh, but that's just their cultural

502
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,000
difference. Whereas we would look at
the alien mummies, seeing them for the

503
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,880
first time with skepticism, and they
would just go get it on the CV

504
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:06,159
who cures the super party, and
sometimes it is that. There are people

505
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,199
called the wacroos. These are grave
robbers and they're very often they're just poor

506
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:16,519
people who like they I understand their
dilemma. But the cowboys how boys.

507
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:21,000
Yeah, it's like the drug dealers
who like that they can they don't have

508
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,559
any opportunities. They can spend their
life on the minimum wage or stand on

509
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:24,800
the street corner for a couple of
hours and five grand. I mean,

510
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,079
it's it's understanding. All that temptation
is there. There were caros are similar,

511
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:35,320
but what they do is they they
work for the black market antiquities trade,

512
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,719
which is worth over four billion dollars
a year, and they sell these

513
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,599
They literally sell these fakes and some
of them are fake and some of them

514
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,800
are real. But they'll sell fakes
if they can get away with it for

515
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,400
like millions and a million dollars apiece, some of some of them go for

516
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,280
more than a million apiece. And
there's a huge d It's not just a

517
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,800
problem in Mexico and South America.
It's a problem all over the world.

518
00:38:55,079 --> 00:39:01,880
Egypt has its own black market antiquities
and run by very ruthless gangsters who like

519
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,400
have paid, you know, they
have some of the police on their side,

520
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,960
and people like that, they like
the mafia and like Asian to you

521
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,599
know, Babylonia, Iraq, Mesopotamia, that area too, And so unfortunately

522
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:21,400
this whole business has probably been organized
by those people, and that they got

523
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,280
there careers to go out and gather
the bodies and the remains, and then

524
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:31,280
they concocted these fake alien mummies.
Yeah, it's interesting because I was watching

525
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,239
some whole thing about it, and
I was trying to sort of think,

526
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:42,679
okay, let's get an updated perspective
on this, these mummified alien and I

527
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,199
still skept her the whole thing.
But supposedly some scientists I can't remember who

528
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,280
it was, the University East person
was saying, oh, yeah, we've

529
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,519
damn ined the DNA and it's part
reptilian, and I thought, that's that's

530
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:59,079
interesting. So I thought, oh, I wonder if they've inserted that to

531
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,400
make it sound really legit, you
know, the reptilian angle or something,

532
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,760
you know. And then they show
these eggs through through the scanner and that

533
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,559
and the eggs looked rather like like, I don't know, crocodile eggs or

534
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:13,960
something like that. Maybe they've thrown
in there for good measure. Probably yeah,

535
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,679
yeah, but you know, I
mean, the thing is, we're

536
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:22,400
supposedly with these grays. If they're
supposedly modeled on grays, they're then grays.

537
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:24,840
As we understand the idea of grays
anyway, that they're not reproduced in

538
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,519
any way, that they have reproductive
organs. So the idea of them having

539
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,719
eggs inside them is kind of like, from our perspective, a bit kind

540
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,519
of questionable. And so whoever's been
making these aliens hasn't quite got all there,

541
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,960
like alien mythology sorted out. I
think it's it's possible, I mean

542
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,920
why they probably created these to make
them look like aliens because maybe there is

543
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,800
now they may think they can get
in on this this enthusiasm for aliens that's

544
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,639
coming around. I mean the problem
is that the experts are highly brought on

545
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,599
in hearing These experts that he's been
working with are probably a part of it.

546
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:01,280
Actually, they're probably involved. I
mean they there are run they're running

547
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,239
private projects. They had nothing to
do with their universities there at the university

548
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,039
has completely washed their handle the whole
thing, And it's tempting to say,

549
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,480
well, that's because there's a cover
up. You know, there's a cover

550
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,280
up. But unfortunately, I think
that these experts are simply working with the

551
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:21,280
people trying to flog these these charades
to the whoever will buy them. It's

552
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,360
it's very sad. So how Steve, how did Steve Mirror get involved,

553
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,360
you know, to go all the
way over there to examine it? Why?

554
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Why? I mean, if they're
inviting, presumably Steve to go in

555
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,480
and say, hey, so look
at that, they're running the risk of

556
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000
them being exposed as completely fake,
which obviously he has sort of said that.

557
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,519
Yeah, I think they underestimated him. Actually, I think it was

558
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,760
it was guy A TV were doing
a project. They were doing a t

559
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,199
A series about it. You actually
watch it. I've watched the program,

560
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
and Steve was involved with them.
But I think they Steve is a is

561
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:59,000
an honest guy. I mean,
Steve will call out nonsense where he sees

562
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,079
it. I mean, he's worked
closely with Don Phillips, and Don I

563
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:04,800
think was a bit nervous when he
first got involved with Steve because he knew

564
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,440
that Steve will, Steve will actually
she will actually say what he thinks and

565
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,239
he'll and you and indeed Steve actually
gave Donna a clean bill of health and

566
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,000
a glowing report. But when Steve
went over there and he did he did

567
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,280
these research, He did the research
and he did I interviewed him originally back

568
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,079
then, and they didn't have the
results in and it was still a bit

569
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:31,960
up in the air whether these were
generally and not genuinely anonymous anomalous bodies that

570
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,440
had come from some kind of hybrid
race in the Nasca area. And this

571
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,159
was this is what went in on, this is what went into the first

572
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:45,000
guy a documentary. But then Steve
came out and said, no, this

573
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,119
is not the case. This had
not he he actually said this what what

574
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,400
he actually thought? This was actually
published in the Phenomena magazine magazine for which

575
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,159
she writes regularly, and he's actually
you can it's actually completely free if you

576
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:00,840
want to get old of a copy. It's you just put your email and

577
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:07,360
they'll send you for free. It's
very good. And unfortunately this is uh.

578
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,159
I don't think the people who whoever's
behind this, I don't know.

579
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,800
I don't I'm not blaming Gaya for
this. It's probably a load of people

580
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,599
in the local area who were trying
to like bambooze or some ufoshu jazz from

581
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:25,719
the West. I think they would
they were probably not have selected Steve if

582
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,920
they know what he was like,
I think they underestimated him. Excellent.

583
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,840
It it's a shame, really because
there's so much real stuff. I said

584
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,800
this to Steve. There's so much
here that's real and it's very exciting.

585
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,239
And why isn't that enough? Why
do why do they? Why do people

586
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,000
have to make up fakes or even
we'll go after fakes and things like that.

587
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:52,199
It's it's a great shane because maybe
yeah, also you could derail kind

588
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:58,880
of momentum of certain things, like
like the UFO disclosure movement, and it

589
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,039
throws a complete you know, whether
it's intentional or not, it does seem

590
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:05,920
to throw a complete doubt spanner into
the works, doesn't it. I'm sure

591
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,119
it's very it's very useful for people
who do want to discredit us and want

592
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,159
to keep the stuff buried. I
mean, for example, like I said,

593
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:15,800
the Mexican hearing was could have been
a wonderful victory, but unfortunately they

594
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:20,320
defeat was snatched from the jaws of
victory. It was a great to shame

595
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:25,119
at the last minute, then these
these frauds, that these fraudulent things were

596
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,639
brought on, and that it made
a joke up because everything there was so

597
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,159
many really great witnesses with Captain Bob
Sallas, there was Ryan Graves, there

598
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,599
was other there was other speakers from
France, from Japan for the United States,

599
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:43,599
from from Argentina, and really they
really brought up some really good information.

600
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,639
As a guy in Mexico who's kind
of the Mexican equivalent of John Greenwall

601
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,840
Jr. You know, he's always
sending off freedom of information at requests under

602
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,760
their law to try and get as
much UFO material as they can, because

603
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,679
there's a very rich UFO culture in
Mexico. I mean, it's it's at

604
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,480
least as at least as productive and
fertile as the United States. We don't

605
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:07,039
it doesn't, it's not exported as
much as the American scene, but it

606
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,920
is there, and there's a lot
of people who are serious about this and

607
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,719
they don't want they don't want to
be they don't want everything polluted with these

608
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,480
tours in their punch bowl talking to
the United States. We'll go to a

609
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,920
break soon. But Ben, you've
just come back to the United states.

610
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:27,320
You went to Las Vegas, didn't
you. So tell us a little bit

611
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,119
about your trip to Las Vegas.
Yeah, sure, Oh well, I

612
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,760
went to a conference call Stairway to
the Stars. This is a three day,

613
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,960
full on conference in Las Vegas,
US saying it's at the Luxaw Complex,

614
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,400
which is like a big it's the
most incredible thing. I mean,

615
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:46,239
Las Vegas is full of these most
incredible structures. They were all all shapes

616
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,639
and sizes. It's it's like it's
it's all like like miniature versions of New

617
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,079
York and Venice. And there's many
film sets in. Yeah, Caesars Palace

618
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,960
which has a Roman them, and
there's a Venetian Center. There's a little

619
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,599
Eiffel tower that was half sized Eiffel
tower, but this was this is a

620
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:09,199
black Egyptian pyramid and in front of
it is like a sphinx and there's there

621
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:14,159
are obelisks as well, and everything
in this place has an Egyptian theme and

622
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,440
it's alsosly very well done. It's
all one hundred percent fake, Like everything

623
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,880
in Las Vegas, it's all it's
all, it's all just staging now,

624
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,199
so it's got to kind of creeping
light to it. You Reckon, you

625
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:28,880
know, because Alice Taylor said that
he went he went there to and I

626
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,159
can well believe it because it is
literally his. It's shape like this is

627
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:37,639
this energetic structure, which of course
the Egyptians knew about. We went in

628
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,559
there. Though there's a there was. Really it's by farther the biggest scope

629
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:44,280
of any conference I've ever been to. There were more speakers there were,

630
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,719
And the reason they had so many
speakers is because they were running them in

631
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,760
parallel. Mm hmm. They have
alas things called the King's Chamber, which

632
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,079
is for all the big, the
the ones, the beginning of the big

633
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:57,519
names, that the kind of Chino
speakers. But then they had these they

634
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,920
had they had Lotus one and Lotus
two, which is these small auditoriums,

635
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:04,679
and they had five smaller rooms they
called Galerias one, two, three,

636
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,760
four and five, and all these
were running simultaneously, which means you couldn't

637
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:15,400
see every single speaker because you they
were running concurrently, which meant you had

638
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,079
to choose sometimes which ones you were
going to go and see. It's like

639
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,400
the UFO version of the Glacestterbury Festival. It's actually fairy like that. Yeah,

640
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,519
And Indeed, the other the conference
it's most like, I think was

641
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,360
the Glassbush and Posium, which I
also went to this year. Incidentally,

642
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,519
I went to that. Well that's
that's in Glastonbury and July. Another reason

643
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,480
I felt it was like that because
it was not like a UFO conference.

644
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,519
It had a UFO conspiratorial angle,
but it was mostly i'd say a New

645
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,239
Age type conference. There was a
lot of people. There was a lot

646
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:54,639
of people talking about spiritual subjects,
Ansian mythology, ancient to spiritual traditions,

647
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:58,400
including the Egyptian one, which is
why it was how at the Luxe saw

648
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,920
indigenous mythology, the Amerindian traditions.
They had these they had these shamans from

649
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,880
the Shoshone nation, the local tribe, and they were doing like drumming and

650
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,559
they were citing poetry and singing songs. That was very That was very nice.

651
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,360
That was there was a couple of
meditations where we took part in that,

652
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:21,239
which is really really good. And
I did have great fun, and

653
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,280
I must say, you know,
it was enjoyable. It was really enjoyable.

654
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,960
The highlight of the whole trip though, was when I actually got I

655
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:34,360
went to Rachel, Nevada, just
cloutside hr Yeah, to park up with

656
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,960
a lot of other people and look
the night sky do a SkyWatch just outside

657
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,280
area fifty one. I went to
a SkyWatch just outside area fifty one,

658
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,800
just in the fore quarter of the
famous little Alien. It's famous to the

659
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,199
establishment. There is like a pub
restaurant in this tiny little village called Rachel,

660
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,079
which is like seventy miles from anyway. It's like it's a remoteness you

661
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,719
would never have in this country.
It took like about four hours to get

662
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,960
there on the coach. Didn't the
coach driver and lose their way or something?

663
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,840
They said, Oh, there was
there a clock ups galore that in

664
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960
this entire expedition. The organizer and
was tearing their hair out at the end

665
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,599
of it. But you know,
despite that, everyone enjoyed it, and

666
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,639
I went and said a big thank
you in the next day to the organizers.

667
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,519
I didn't think i'd be able to
go because I hadn't either. There

668
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,800
was a mess up with the organization
and me getting on the coach, so

669
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,400
I had to basically buy another ticket, but I wasn't sure if i'd get

670
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,000
on because we're sold out. So
luckily I went there and someone was someone

671
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,280
to change their mind and they didn't
want to go, so I bought their

672
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,079
ticket off them. So, oh
my god, I got to go to

673
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:36,480
Area fifty one or about Rachel was
about as close to Area fifty one as

674
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,239
you can get. It was.
It was probably better to go in daylight.

675
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,800
Actually, you can't see very much
at night, is yeah. I

676
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,039
remember screeing your video thinking, well, I can't see much, but at

677
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,000
least you went there. Did you
see any activity in the night scup?

678
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,039
No? I mean we weren't there. We only actually were there forout an

679
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,400
hour and a half and we spent
most of that time just standing around the

680
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,159
counterfire. By the time we got
everyone to had food and drink and finished

681
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,559
our meals and we just went to
the satrill and we were having fun.

682
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:06,800
Jimmy Church was kind of like to
cheerleading us all along, and they adds

683
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,119
a few there's some night vision goggles. But literally we had to leave that

684
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:13,199
an hour and a half later because
we arrived very late. I want to

685
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,559
shame it was, but it was. But I've got no regrets. I'm

686
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:21,280
glad I went, and it was
definitely the highlight of the trip. Everything

687
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,000
I heard about the alien about thirty
years ago, longing to go there,

688
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,039
and I mean, you know,
and I finally did it, and I'm

689
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,719
really really happy I finally got there. I'd love to go back. Maybe

690
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,440
I'll go back in daylight if I
get another opportunity. I would say,

691
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,119
would you plan on going to the
conference again? Maybe next year if they

692
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,079
do it, maybe, or I'll
see how it goes, because there's other

693
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,719
things I want to do, and
there's other things I want to do next

694
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,920
year. I've got plans for next
year. But I would like to go

695
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,440
back in daylight and go to the
Groom Lake Road and we see a bit

696
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,920
more of that area. She was
nice to get out of Las Vegas.

697
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,760
To be honest, you didn't seamy
black helicopters or followed by MiB no funny

698
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,000
enough. No, it was some. There was no activity with the people,

699
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,159
the people at the lady and the
staff. They said, oh,

700
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:05,519
it's it tends to be, they
said, it tends to be in the

701
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,880
middle of the week you get more
activity. Probably they have weekends off in

702
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,559
there and things like that. Who
knows by you know, by next year

703
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,719
and everything's disclosed and they'll be doing
like a UFO flights around area fifty more

704
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:21,920
bludy. You know, well,
ideally that will be like what I like

705
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,199
that, I'd certainly go there.
Definitely, definitely definitely been a cool idea,

706
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,199
right, I think we'll take a
break here on the Paranormal Peep Show.

707
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,159
We're talking to Gary Robinson and Ben
Emmonon Jones and yours are Andrew Chaplin

708
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,360
and Neil Ward. And it's the
Paranormal Peep Show on the Paranormal UK Radio

709
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,639
Network. Stay tuned for part two. The Day's the Best Day Mad Life

710
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:50,480
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711
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:54,360
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712
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,960
and lots of information about weird stuff
UFOs, ghosts and things that go bump

713
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,760
in the night and everything associated with
them. Fascinating guests, fascinating talk,

714
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:15,639
fascinating information. Hello and welcome back
to Pyongyang's Paranormal Christmas Northcore in special massive

715
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:22,519
hashtag, Thanks everyone for coming along, and clown horn for Joe Biden and

716
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:28,840
all the wakes. We now have
somebody else joining us from another North Korean

717
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:34,880
special and that is Philip Kinsella.
I can ever tell Philip and Ronnie apart.

718
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,360
But I think I think we've got
We've got Philip, isn't it?

719
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,239
It's not? Is it Ronnie?
Yeah? You could call me Philip or

720
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:45,199
Ronnie because my grandad did. In
fact, most people do. So is

721
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:49,039
it Ronnie not Phillip? Is Ronnie? Yeah? It's okay, we tweets.

722
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,840
That's a great start. So so
it is confusing because he's coming up

723
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,840
on skypers Philip. Why he's getting
confused? The little name here, says

724
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,880
Philip. Yeah, okay, so
Philip, he's got a bad vote or

725
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,679
something, isn't he? Yeah,
it's on very well, he's came down

726
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:08,719
with it last night, so apologize
for that, but I can sell him

727
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,119
for both. Well, send him
our best wishes for us speedy recovery.

728
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,159
Thank you. I will indeed give
him a hashtag potato and see if that

729
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:23,840
helps a couple of mons of really
well, Ronnie. So we were just

730
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,000
chatting in part one with with Gary, who's here, and Gary's currently in

731
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,440
Hail Hampstead. He also lives out
in Mexico. So we've been talking about

732
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,840
the Mexican alien mummies and Ben's also
just been raveling everywhere over the past year,

733
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:43,039
and he's most recent trip has been
too Las Vegas, so we've been

734
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,480
chatting about his visit to the Little
Alien. Wow. So we were also

735
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:52,480
chatting before we started the show that
we both Ben and I recall seeing you

736
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:57,840
and Philip on this documentary on the
Amazon Prime, the Biological connect Connection.

737
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,000
That's right, Yeah, Wow,
that pretty cool. Yeah, I think

738
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:07,320
they did that. They recorded that
sometime last year, I think it was

739
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,840
last year, and we went to
a studio and it was mainly about what

740
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,960
I'd seen with our grandmother back in
the eighties, the silver sphere, which

741
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,280
well, we were again talking about
that in part one because Gary, with

742
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:28,000
his own grandmother saw a sphere.
Did you just want to recount that for

743
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:30,039
the benefit of rolly Gary, because
I thought it was very interesting. There

744
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:34,000
was a parallel because you saw a
sphere with your grandmother and I saw it.

745
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,719
Happened to mention to Gary in part
one about yours and Phillips. Yeah,

746
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,320
this one was at Errol Epstein,
Ronnie, I don't know where you're

747
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,079
boats, but basically in my old
townhouse, head of from the top four

748
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:52,320
and it's this spear coming from say
that the direction of lufter very slowly straight

749
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,559
line. The speed wasn't altering,
so it's very constant. It was literally

750
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:01,280
just above the rooftop and you could
see it was solid kind of carbon fiber

751
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,159
and color, and it didn't have
any blemishes, but you could tell that

752
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,320
it was kind of rotating a bit. And that I called my grandfather up

753
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,519
because she'd had some recent UFO sides
during the day wid our work. Thinks

754
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,320
that we just could explain. So
I called up to see this thing,

755
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,519
and we actually followed it as a
cross over the roof of the house.

756
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:27,679
I watched it float out towards through
an airport. Wow, how big was

757
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,760
this? How big was it was? About? Well, I would say,

758
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,079
just a little order right interesting?
And it was silver, yeah,

759
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,920
silver, silvery, silvery carbon primary, kind of hard to look down.

760
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,480
That was the impression I got.
I remembered your story from hearing it on

761
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:52,119
our upper show, So yeah,
that's yeah, Saturday. More honest.

762
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:57,320
The the the traits of it more
or less identical to the one we saw.

763
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,000
I didn't notice it revolving this one, and we just like it was

764
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,519
made of titanium or something, but
it was less exactly what you're saying.

765
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,599
It was about the size of a
football. It was nice and eighty two,

766
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:15,599
So it's a long time a film. My goodness. They're still around.

767
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:21,400
Well we know that because they are
regularly reported throughout as spares. The

768
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,559
fact is, I wonder if they
are or they were the Foo fighters they've

769
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:30,840
been recorded because these were not luminous
Yours, Gary and ours were not luminous.

770
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:35,559
Could it be attributed to the fact
that they are sort of like more

771
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:39,000
or less not stationary, but they're
not flying at an incredible speed, or

772
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:45,039
whether the light around them has something
to do whether it's fascinating. But I

773
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:51,480
refer to it as an electronic eye. I've always made it quite clear they

774
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:58,039
may be observed, observe observers.
I had one sarcastic comment from a leading

775
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,599
your follow just I was quite surprised. Sadly he's no longer with us,

776
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:06,519
But when I mentioned about the electronic
he said, didn't have eyelashes, and

777
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:08,880
I thought, you will wore people. You were wore people, and I

778
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,679
thought would have taken this seriously.
Perhaps he looked upon me as some twat,

779
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,920
But this did happen, and it
was very haunting. And so this

780
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,320
is interesting with your own grandmother.
You saw this over the roof. This

781
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,519
is fascinating, and this was not
wrong. I spent the day watching a

782
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,920
what she called a screen of rainbow
light outside the window of our house.

783
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:35,000
Hamil enter did or by the time
I got iron from working a lot she

784
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:38,480
told me she was five minutes recorded
the police. I could watch it,

785
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:45,000
Yes she was. She wasn't in
to those kinds of subjects whenever, obviously

786
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,440
never found out what it was.
We were chatting earlier and he was asking

787
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,960
that a sawyer. We yelled ables
that area, that word from anyone,

788
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,960
but yeah, someone I know,
who's should I say? In authority told

789
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:05,039
me in regards to the stars,
that they know where to go to see

790
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,840
that they know about them, but
they don't know what they are. Yes

791
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:15,559
in in in relationship. Grandma ours
was unphased. She was psychic, and

792
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,800
she said something very strange. It
was right above her head. It was

793
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,039
just it moved towards us, and
then it stopped solid just above her head,

794
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,000
and she just said, oh,
look, the fairies had come to

795
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,639
take it close A lot more we
knew that wasn't fair. Sample sized staring

796
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:36,119
from doctor who so back then,
you know, so that's a very interesting

797
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:39,000
thank you for sharingly said that about
it being an eye though, because I

798
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:46,199
also got a not like being watched, but I can't quite predict it as

799
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,840
if it was observing the c Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the same

800
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,079
time, it felt electronic like what
Ronnie said, It didn't feel like a

801
00:58:55,159 --> 00:59:00,159
coup. Organic consciousness technology. Yes, some kind of technology. You know.

802
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:06,039
When you talked about the through fighters
and they're typically glowing red or orange,

803
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,000
it just made me wonderful the fact
that, you know, is there

804
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:14,800
a nighttime bombing raids. Maybe during
the night they glow a different color or

805
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,159
something, you know, maybe they
wanted to be c you know, during

806
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:22,760
the night. Yeah, it's quite
evident that. I mean. The nasty

807
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:28,880
thing about this phenomena is is that
you're always, as you garrit with your

808
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,639
grandma, there's very few people around
you, so testimony it's quite weak.

809
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,320
You know, it comes from you, unless you're on an airline pilot or

810
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:43,519
part of the military or any kind
of official I mean, some people do

811
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:49,519
actually appreciate the fact that it may
have happened, but then they will attribute

812
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,519
it to perhaps it was this,
or it was that someone asked me with

813
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:57,840
this spear. You know, did
the insects go quiet? I can't remember.

814
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:00,920
I don't remember that at all.
You know, didn't all go crush

815
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,440
it? You can't. I mean, it was so long ago. There

816
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,679
are certain things you will recall which
are quite prevalent at the time of the

817
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:15,599
encounter. But yeah, very strange. Did you ever speak any more about

818
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:22,079
that encounter be your grandmother? Like
years later on? It didn't bring it

819
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:29,039
up again. Nothing. It wasn't
dispelled at the time, but it wasn't

820
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,760
spoken with. It wasn't that we
were told not to speak about it.

821
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,280
It was just the dumb thing.
You just don't mention things like that to

822
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,480
people because we knew even then the
press, the media at the time,

823
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:45,039
the papers of the news that they
found upon it or made it appear as

824
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:49,400
an absolute joke even at school.
You know, I didn't tell I don't

825
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,559
think I've told anyone. We just
kept like a haunting secret until much later

826
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,719
when it was coming out the internet. That's one thing is done. And

827
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,480
it can be cruel and it can
be kind, but there's one it's done.

828
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:05,480
It's brought people closer together with this
paranormal subject, and that is a

829
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:09,159
wonderful thing because we are all bought
together. It's opened it up and it's

830
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:15,800
become more acceptable, I would say, more acceptable now than it ever has,

831
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,320
because people are beginning to realize that
there is something strange going on.

832
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:22,639
People ask seeing things. Yes,
you get the people who hoax it,

833
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,760
you get those who elaborate, you
get those who make an absolute tom full

834
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,239
of their whole thing, you know. But there are those who will report

835
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:36,639
what they see, and if they're
honest and full of integrity, that's a

836
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:42,000
good thing. Mmm. I think
is the case of who cares what people

837
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:46,400
think? Well, yeah, Sami, the fact of it being silenced,

838
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:51,320
and they have continually doing this,
they continue to doing it, even with

839
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,159
the grush the Senate, you know, the board there. They're trying to

840
01:01:57,199 --> 01:02:00,480
open up the floodgates for this,
which I believed did happen. I believe

841
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,440
they do have down crafts. I
do believe there are down crafts, and

842
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,760
there are bodies, absolutely, But
the point is is that by the time

843
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,119
they actually get to that point they
would have meant them. They could easily

844
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,360
just move all equipment, all technology, all remnants of the bodies of the

845
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:22,480
pilots. They will have them.
They're never We're never going to see them.

846
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,559
They're never going to admit it.
They will not. We go around

847
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:30,159
in circles. I admire them for
trying. I absolutely admid Rush for trying.

848
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,840
I don't know him, he seems
credible in that. When I saw

849
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:40,440
him, as we all did on
TV, you know, pushing for disclosure,

850
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,960
I just knew, No, there's
no way they're going to it.

851
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,599
But they have those pilots. They
have those pilots, and they have the

852
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:53,079
remnants of their technology. And this
is greater than the Crown Jewels, the

853
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:58,320
greatest seeing this earth has ever known. And they the most annoying thing is

854
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,719
they are not going to disc close
it because it's power, its powers,

855
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:07,519
what they can glean from this technology, if it's if they are able to

856
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,320
discern what exactly it is, because
I find it very This is what this

857
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,400
is what troubles me about this tech, right, This is what really really

858
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:22,079
pushes the boat is the fact you
have people clouds ats, say Andrew Clowns

859
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:30,320
that that are willing to state and
I'm going to I'm not going to treasonly

860
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,719
toe saim because you know, it's
a very fragile subject. Even aside religion.

861
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,079
You've got to tread carefully this world. I'm fed up with it.

862
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:42,000
They stay that they've they've they've back
engineered it. They can create these t

863
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,480
r things and they're flying around that. Don't believe it because the technology from

864
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:52,880
another real or dimension or outer space
will be so incredibly, fantastically different we

865
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,559
could possibly know. It's like trying
to a cave man trying to understand the

866
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:01,760
workings of a transistor way. Yeah. Notice respect to humanity, we are

867
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,960
clever, and they go or they
have this nuclear fusion that powers it and

868
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,119
a few number of what they've got
five optics, was levitating pressing. You

869
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:17,199
know, why would they so freely
broadcast their super secret weapons in public or

870
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,320
you know, it doesn't make any
sense hovering them over churches inf out the

871
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,159
people. Why would they do it? They wouldn't they would. They have

872
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:28,639
their military very smart. I'm not
doubting they have super secret, amazing technology,

873
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:33,440
but things like this now not yet. Well, there's been reports of

874
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:39,519
very very near misses with at least
I can't let the exact numbers. I'm

875
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:45,280
like fifteen cases reported at least with
US military aircraft, and they've had near

876
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:53,679
misses with these UFOs, and so
the point made by one of the senators,

877
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,760
I forget which one it was said, if you know, if there

878
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,480
are our own crafts or top secret
technology, what are they doing having irresponsible

879
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:04,400
near missus with their own side?
If you like, you know, which

880
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,199
is a good point. You know, I'm not knocking the military. They

881
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:13,159
are incredible. They have some amazing
technology. But when you're talking about these

882
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:16,239
crafts that if I gravity. I've
seen one of these trianglar ships. I've

883
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,840
seen one only once. I can't
believe it. This I knew when I

884
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,039
looked at it. This is not
military. This is not military. Was

885
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:30,119
what was the situation when you saw
this triagonal craft? Runny? I had

886
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:34,639
come out for a cigarette then I
smoked them. I don't anymore have a

887
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:40,000
vapor. I've given up smoke and
I don't drink, so I would I

888
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:46,559
didn't even drink then, and I
went out and this thing crossed over the

889
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:54,400
sky and when I looked at it, it was gigantic, it was huge.

890
01:05:54,719 --> 01:06:00,480
What was interesting. And I spoke
about this at Ben's talk. He

891
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:05,039
kindly invited Philipp myself to to do
a talk. I'm sure I mentioned this

892
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,880
dream of sources. That's right,
was that when it passed over. Now

893
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,360
I knew of the in the nineties
of the Belgium UFA Wave. I knew

894
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,199
all about that. I had a
mild interest in it. It's when the

895
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,760
likes of Robert Stack did unsolved mysteries. You know. He was wonderful exact

896
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,960
yr old granddad and he his elder
granddad coming to present behind soft mysteries.

897
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,559
And I knew of them in the
nineties. But it's strange, isn't it

898
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,639
that I think it was twenty and
ten. I think it was twenty ten

899
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:39,199
August. It was August because it
was my mother's birthday that weekend. I

900
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:45,679
knew that quite poignant that he crossed
over. No, what was interesting,

901
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,800
And I don't know if I was
the first to report this afterwards in the

902
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,119
book I had published, Twin Souls
by Campbell Bann. It didn't last long

903
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,599
the print on. I don't think
it did very well. It was my

904
01:06:55,719 --> 01:07:01,559
first attempt coming up with it.
But it was fat, it was huge.

905
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,559
It was fat. Also, the
corners were rounded. They were not

906
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:11,719
sharp as like in Robert Stack Wonderful
rober Stack is documentary. They did they

907
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:15,719
were very sharp when I looked at
the belly of it, I could only

908
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,800
see the side in the belly and
the rears it was moving over. There

909
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,599
was nothing discernible. It was as
if it had been molded. The whole

910
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:28,440
thing was beautifully molded. It was
fat, very fat, and round it

911
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,280
and it just shovel the speed of
a plane. It didn't make any noise,

912
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:38,280
was no vibration. I know there
was no vibration, nothing. But

913
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,679
what was interesting. It wasn't then
that I gauged it, but I knew

914
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:46,599
that where we were there were a
lot of birds, what birds or everywhere?

915
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:49,920
Al was flitting about all over the
place. When this thing passed was

916
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,880
nothing And it was then and people
said, well, why didn't you want

917
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,280
and then get your mobile phone?
You're not thinking that I'm not going to

918
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,280
score point by capturing a picture of
it just to satisfy the whims of these

919
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,360
people, or terri it to pieces
and say cgi, I saw it,

920
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:12,920
and I this is what this is? That that very thing. I can't

921
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,679
tell you what it was. I
couldn't tell you what it was, but

922
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,000
it looked like it would be molded, shiny black. What was interesting Along

923
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:26,399
the side of it, there were
blacko from Ridges. A ridge along the

924
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,479
side of the craft, but nothing
on the back. I couldn't see the

925
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,479
front. The belly had nothing but
smooth, just as if it been molded.

926
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,319
And this was in twenty ten,
and I thought, damn see.

927
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:42,359
But you know, you can tell
people until you blew in their face and

928
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:47,359
there will state that it's a chitles
and drone. It's a military piece of

929
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:53,479
hardware. And but that was massive, the size of a battleship, quite

930
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:58,159
easily, quite easy. I'm a
jaw was on the floor. I just

931
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,359
looked at it and I thought,
thinking, is this what I am seeing?

932
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:08,399
I haven't seen one since it That's
very That's a good question. I'm

933
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,439
not exactly sure. There was nothing
to gauge the size of it, but

934
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,760
it was huge. I could not
gauge the size of it because there's nothing

935
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,039
to compare it with the roots of
the house. It was above them,

936
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:23,880
so I had nothing to give some
kind of compacion. And I'm honest,

937
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:29,279
but it was gigantic to me.
It was. It's interesting because you're you're

938
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,199
in Bedfordshire, so you're know million
miles from Luton Airport, are you?

939
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:42,960
So I'm presuming that Luton airport radar
systems and Luton Airport traffic. Presumably they

940
01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:45,560
must have given off some sort of
radar signature. I'm presuming they must have

941
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,520
been it must have picked out,
yes, yea, unless this defies it,

942
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,720
but I doubt that. I'm not
gonna bring them up to bother because

943
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,680
it was at this time when we
had been attacked in the papers. I

944
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,600
think they had done a review of
about something Philip had experienced years ago,

945
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:08,760
and it was disgusting, and I
thought, I'm not going to pursue it,

946
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,439
because even if you did us and
they're deny, it got no blips

947
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,239
on the Earth Star. I think, well, when you're talking about they

948
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,239
do it to the pilot's a commercial
online pilots with their even and actually admitted.

949
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,960
They admit it, haven't they that
they were warned if they saw anything

950
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,359
that they were not to speak of
it. It was fast, of course,

951
01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:26,680
but they were not to speak about
it. It does a surprise,

952
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,520
it doesn't. And I saw one
of them and I don't know what it

953
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,039
was, but I kept thinking,
my god, that technology, if we

954
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:36,680
had that, we could go to
Mars in little or no effort. Elon

955
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:42,439
Mus wouldn't have to uh, build
his rockets everything like that. They can

956
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:49,640
defy gravity. It looked heavy.
The one thing that I did realize is

957
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,359
that it looks so heavy like steel. But I kept thinking, how could

958
01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:57,000
it just hang as light as a
feather, you know, how can it

959
01:10:57,119 --> 01:10:59,600
just how could it? How could
it just float like that? There's their

960
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,520
engine, it's no discernible engine stuff. It was no smoke vibration they have

961
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:10,399
it. Hmm. Did do you
get any strange odds? Factor said?

962
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,279
You said you couldn't hear the birds. I mean, that's kind of interesting

963
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:16,279
because someone's else asking if you heard
the insects when you saw the Yeah,

964
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:19,760
but you couldn't hear the birds when
you see the birds. I couldn't see

965
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:24,840
right, there's birds everywhere. They're
all over there there. They're a bit

966
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,760
pesky. But no, there were
no birds. No, I didn't have

967
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,920
anything else. There's no feeling from
it. Nothing, There was nothing nothing.

968
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,600
Do you think you were meant to
see it in some way? Or

969
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:38,520
is it an accidental sighting? I
don't know. That's strange, isn't it.

970
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,199
That's what we're looking into, you
know. I didn't ask what do

971
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:46,359
they call those things? I've forgotten
when you wish to see something can happen.

972
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:54,319
It happens to see see a close
encounter. Yes, kind, it's

973
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,840
kind, isn't it? Where you
have lon tact, you have intent to

974
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,720
see UFO. What did they called
the man career thing? Yeah? And

975
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:06,560
you would know this, Ben,
Yeah, the manifestation. It's a CE

976
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:12,399
five, that's it, manifestations,
human initiated contact. He has different way.

977
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,439
Yeah, yeah, I know nothing, nothing, No, it's had

978
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,600
nothing. I don't know why.
I don't know. I'm not special.

979
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:23,199
I don't know why. But that
that's that propelled me to write the book

980
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,239
because I'd had enough. I'd said
enough, you know, and I knew

981
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,720
my reputation would be at stake,
but I didn't care anymore. I think

982
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,920
it reached a point there where you're
bother what people think. I've been called

983
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,560
everything. I know. I have
been stabbed in the back, you know,

984
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,439
they laugh behind your back, you
know, but I don't care because

985
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:47,319
I've seen them. Yeah, there's
something fascinating about it, yeah, Ben,

986
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,279
So you want to interject there,
Yeah, just to order to comment

987
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:57,439
on something that Ronnie said on the
subject toll from the secret space program and

988
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,560
what the covert military technology exists,
and what it has now, it's actually

989
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:08,720
it's actually quite There are quite a
number of upologists now who are simply throwing

990
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,640
their hands up and saying, well, there are no aliens, it's all

991
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,399
secret technology. And I think these
are a lot of them people, really

992
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,279
you should know better, and I
think they're mistaken for two reasons. One

993
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:24,800
of them is because of what Ronnie
has said, well the reason Ronnie just

994
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:30,039
gave, but also the antiquity of
the phenomenon. It predates not only predates

995
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:36,479
the invention of conventional aircraft, it
pre dates history, and we have what

996
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:44,760
you call contact experiences and sightings and
close encounters are recorded in ancient mythology and

997
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,920
in which these basically stories have been
handed down before the written word came along

998
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:55,279
or written records didn't survive. Also
in a very ancient art on cave paintings

999
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:59,720
and places like that, especially in
Australia and Southern Africa, there seems to

1000
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,560
be a lot large number what you
say, disc shaped objects very much like

1001
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,720
the objects we see and indeed alien
extraterrestrial beings of the type that we might

1002
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:14,479
be familiar with in modern euthology.
Now, so that we are being interacted

1003
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,600
with by non human intelligence. There's
absolutely no doubt about it. There is

1004
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:24,800
another very fashionable idea these days,
which is that aliens don't exist, but

1005
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,800
they are somehow being used to cover
up the fact that we have anti gravity

1006
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,119
and free energy technology, which again
makes no sense at all because it's drawing

1007
01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:39,000
someone's attention towards something with the ultimate
objective of deflecting it away, which could

1008
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:44,000
backfire in a number of ways.
Just imagine our bank robber who stole some

1009
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:45,720
money and then he went and buried
it in the woods. But every time

1010
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,119
a policeman walk party said, mister
policeman over here, Hello, hello,

1011
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:54,920
Yes, there's no stolen money here, all right, just some unicorn bones.

1012
01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:58,359
Yeah, on, you go on, have a nice day. That

1013
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,159
of course, that that money would
be fair very quickly. The burder will

1014
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:02,840
be arrested very quickly. So what
I thought, what I think we're look

1015
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,760
at that this idea, what the
CIA invented UFOs is it's some kind of

1016
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:12,159
it's concocted in neo mythology to cover
up their spyplanes. I think we looking

1017
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:16,560
at an elaborate double bluff. There
are aliens and this story that the CIA

1018
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,800
invented the non aliens things to cover
it up is actually part of the cover

1019
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:30,479
up if you unpick that. Yeah, well, there were kind of reports

1020
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,479
where I think sometimes the CIA or
the you know, the US airports preferred

1021
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:40,079
you to think that when you'd seen
their YOU two spyplane or wherever it may

1022
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:43,960
be, as are seventy one,
if you'd seen it fly over a fast

1023
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,479
speed, they would prefer you to
think it was a UFO of some sort

1024
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,000
flying triangle or wherever it may be, simply because they didn't want you to

1025
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:55,079
see their technology. But I think
they, like you say, using the

1026
01:15:55,279 --> 01:16:01,039
the UFO phenomena as to their advantage. So as it's it doesn't quite make

1027
01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:03,359
sense though, Neil, because I
mean, although they have said that,

1028
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:09,520
and indeed there's some documents any Jacobson's
talked a lot about this. They anything

1029
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:14,359
that draws attention towards their their project, anything at all which could cause more

1030
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:17,520
people to come and look at it, will it would actually jeopardize the seat

1031
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,520
pursue of that project. It's far
more likely. I mean, if I

1032
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,800
was running, I say, I've
started developing the U two spy playing and

1033
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,520
someone said, liber I saw this
flying saucer, go over my head.

1034
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:31,399
I would just say they just don't
say anything about it, all right,

1035
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,479
just because keep it quiet. Just
don't say anything. I wouldn't. I

1036
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,520
would just say no more than that, because if you say, if they

1037
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,159
if they say I saw the flying
saucer, I'm going to go. I

1038
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:43,720
better go and tell the newspapers.
I've better go and tell my grandmother.

1039
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,279
I bet go and tell everyone I
said this flying saucer. You're going to

1040
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:48,920
get a little he loads of robot
X in that area with binoculars, and

1041
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,119
indeed, before long, someone's going
to come along who will recognize it as

1042
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:57,520
something that's not a flying saucer.
It is actually a very very sophisticated spy

1043
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,399
playing a high our record break in
high hout to choot jets. And you

1044
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,119
see, this is why I think
that's this is why I think it's a

1045
01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:11,640
double bluff by mmm. Now,
Rollie. So you've appeared on this documentary

1046
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:16,880
The Biological Connection. Obviously these are
more enlightening times. And it was back

1047
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:21,760
in twenty ten when you saw your
flying triangle, and now people are more

1048
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:29,439
kind of hopefully for giving and open
to the idea of this phenomena. Because

1049
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:34,119
light you got grush and they're talking
about it in the Senate and Mexico as

1050
01:17:34,119 --> 01:17:39,760
well. You do you think that
you know, like, did you get

1051
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:45,079
good feedback on your production that you
took part in. I have made it

1052
01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:53,520
a rule to never look at reviews
anymore. I'm not interested in the reviews.

1053
01:17:53,720 --> 01:18:00,800
And that sounds rather arrogant, perhaps
a little pump But the reason being

1054
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,920
is that my book The Digital Demon, that I had published has been attacked

1055
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:11,520
by people because I go wore down
towards I lean towards the darker aspects of

1056
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,319
the UFOs, so I didn't take
any note of it. I think they

1057
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:19,279
deal with that. I don't know
where the reviews are. I just wish,

1058
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:24,159
like us here to tell the truth. But you are attacked for even

1059
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:29,880
doing that. And we have to
have strong backbones in this subject because it

1060
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,439
is a very nasty stake pit it
can be. I've noticed that, and

1061
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,720
I've come across it as well.
I've been attacked. I think most of

1062
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:44,960
us are opinions. I respect everyone's
opinion. If they wish to believe something,

1063
01:18:45,039 --> 01:18:47,239
that's fine, but when they attack
others, it's not good. They

1064
01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:51,560
will just leave it. You know. It's a point I'm made that as

1065
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,319
I researched this, because I have
seen them. I don't believe they are

1066
01:18:56,399 --> 01:19:00,000
exactly as they appear to be.
I think, in some manner of ways

1067
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:05,600
is who are being deceived by them. The fact of when we look back

1068
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:13,520
at the nineteen fifties when it was
very fashionable, the likes of Damski,

1069
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:20,119
who was purported to be a regular
contact tee for these beautiful aliens, the

1070
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:24,199
points I mean, we couldn't see
it at the time. I wasn't even

1071
01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:27,279
born then, But when you look
back at this, there's a pattern that

1072
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:31,640
begins to unfold. It's the fact
that you know then the aliens were allegically

1073
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:36,079
if you told, see them and
many other people with other other encounters being

1074
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:44,640
told even long after about the concerns
for atomic warfare then basically nuclear war.

1075
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:49,560
And the thing is is that they
were taking these people up and voicing their

1076
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:58,640
concerns and absolutely nothing happened. We
see this shift from the atomic to the

1077
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,359
nuclear to the environmental issues, which
was popular in the nineties. It was

1078
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:11,479
the Grays as a refer to,
were informing people of their concerns for the

1079
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:18,680
environment, and again they did think
absolutely nothing. And then The trouble with

1080
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:25,159
this subject is you have you have
a number of people moving more towards the

1081
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:30,600
hybrid program, where you know it's
very it was very in vogue for the

1082
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,079
women to go on board and the
spurnstyle paws and hybrid's being born by them,

1083
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,600
and you even have people coming along
stating that they are hybrids. Well,

1084
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,800
I would find it very irresponsible and
very untactful of the Grays to inform

1085
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,680
their genetic offspring that they are part
of their program. They wouldn't do it.

1086
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:55,960
I would have thought that'd be very
much smarter than that to actually inform

1087
01:20:56,359 --> 01:21:00,840
the people here we are, you're
you're part of our progeny. Your offspring

1088
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,600
going to other people. But for
unless, of course, there's another deception.

1089
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:10,079
So is deception after deception after deception. And it's bad enough with the

1090
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:15,239
aliens what they're speeding out. One
minute, they're showing people the destruction of

1091
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:20,920
Earth. It seems that destruction is
paramount with them for pain the end of

1092
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,119
the world. And then you have
the other side of the coin where they're

1093
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:29,560
building this genetic army of people that
others think this is going to be the

1094
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,039
offspring that will colonize the world.
I don't believe any of it. I

1095
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:39,800
think we are being forced to look
at certain angles because Ben Rightley said,

1096
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:44,079
when you cannot look ahead and see
what they're truly doing, whatever they are,

1097
01:21:44,119 --> 01:21:47,079
there's something always look the other way, Always the other way. Oh

1098
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:50,600
look at don't live. Yes,
the tessities are so mixed and heated and

1099
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,640
varied, but you don't look at
any of that, because you begin to

1100
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,640
form this is the achilles hell,
this is their weakness. Because you discover

1101
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:08,800
that as you accumulate this wealth of
data from people relating to you know,

1102
01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:15,119
destruction, hatred, love, or
the regeneration of a new species, you

1103
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:19,760
begin to see the cracks four because
this is an absolute deception. So what

1104
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,960
are they hiding? What exactly are
they or what are they hiding? And

1105
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:30,439
to your muddy they call you.
Further is we have these fossilized craft,

1106
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,840
the remnants of them, with the
dead pilots, and again we could question

1107
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,039
why were they left, why were
they picked up by their own kind?

1108
01:22:40,119 --> 01:22:45,199
Why would they leave this super secret
tech in the hands of worn mongering creatures

1109
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:51,159
as us such as us I actually
published it. I hope it was revolutionary

1110
01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:55,520
at time. In digital demo where
I get thinking. Let's take the Rosbell

1111
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:01,279
crash for example. Now I believe
I believe that happened. You have people

1112
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:08,039
stating on there that the chief is
it didn't truth. They don't have proof,

1113
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:13,520
but through the narratives at the time
you can see they blatantly lied.

1114
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,279
So something very exotic crash handed there. I suggested it. Could it have

1115
01:23:16,359 --> 01:23:21,880
been in my book a trojan horse? That that? And this was at

1116
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:26,560
a time when there were a number
of crashes throughout the world. But the

1117
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,159
pilots and the ships had to a
bit different. They had to look different

1118
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,119
so as not to raise suspicious song
of suspicion. Sorry that the same species

1119
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:41,000
have the same problem quite haphazardly blocking
back a number of bunk wises and smashing

1120
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:45,760
on Earth. You know, so
they had to look different. Is that

1121
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:48,239
a possibility. I'm not saying it
is. But if it was a trojan

1122
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:51,399
horse, were they dropping? Is
it technology? There? Again, we

1123
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:59,039
suggested that it would be quite impossible
for us at this time to decipher that

1124
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,319
any kind of engineering for another world. I think we're being dooped, dude,

1125
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:10,720
What do you do? So do
you think the duping is more from

1126
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,920
the ets or from our own government
or bo it's from them, But why

1127
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:25,479
I don't know. But I have
a theory, but it doesn't. There's

1128
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,800
still a lot more research to be
done into it. But what I will

1129
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:34,359
say is that it's fascinating. I
am not right, because any one of

1130
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:40,079
us could be right or wrong about
it. I accept that you see these

1131
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:43,359
things, like theories you come out
with, you are attacked. Even with

1132
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,399
them online. You know, you
can come up with a hundred different pointers

1133
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,319
about what these things are and what
they're doing, and they are real.

1134
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:56,479
This is something that's happening. This
is reality. The point is that the

1135
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,359
crash technology was not rescued. I
find that hard to believe because even if

1136
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:05,399
the ship was, all the ships
and the pilots were destroyed, beyond all

1137
01:25:06,039 --> 01:25:12,920
hope of sending off some kind of
distress beacon or anything, the labs in

1138
01:25:13,079 --> 01:25:17,279
time would have certainly called for help, especially on this world. So it

1139
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:21,039
just it's like being like sheelanck Combs, if I can said that respectfully.

1140
01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:26,560
You look at it, You look
at the picture and it's like a jeepsaw

1141
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,800
puzzle transport pieces of it together.
It doesn't make sense, I know,

1142
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
but some of it does. You
know, the men and the men in

1143
01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:35,319
black. You know, they were
very popular in the fifties and sixties,

1144
01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:41,359
weren't they. I believe this is
part of the phenomena. Briefly, what's

1145
01:25:41,359 --> 01:25:45,720
your current theory. I'm not going
to give that out yet, because that

1146
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,079
is I'm not going to give that
out because that hasn't been publisher. I've

1147
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:53,840
just finished a new book and I
come up with a number of theories on

1148
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:58,119
it. It's not to state that
I'm a guru of some kind of new,

1149
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,399
astonishing, you know, revelation.
I'm not. It's just what I

1150
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,840
privately have discovered about it, and
of course I could be wrong, but

1151
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:12,079
there's something very dark about this.
This is another prop about it is that

1152
01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:15,760
you have the people that, Okay, look I'm going to assault a few

1153
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,920
people here, but I'm going to
say, believe in a federation. There

1154
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:26,039
is no absolutely no evidence of federation. They've done nothing, and it will

1155
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:30,560
continue on and on that they will
do absolutely nothing. All they're coming,

1156
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,760
They're coming, They're always coming.
You know, they're proclaiming their concerns from

1157
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:39,560
the nineteen fifties and what's happened.
Absolutely nothing. I mentioned this is in

1158
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,159
a differents demon. I'm going to
use the word. They've done absolutely bugger

1159
01:26:43,239 --> 01:26:47,880
all and we've got nothing. We've
got nothing. We are left with absolutely

1160
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:53,159
virtually no proof. So we are
ending up by this on these programs,

1161
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:57,880
which I think is wonderful because it
brings wonderful like minded gentlemen's yourselves together,

1162
01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:01,319
you know, to try and find
out what exactly is going on. Now,

1163
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:04,600
there is something with us, so
there's something able, it's absolutely certain,

1164
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:11,439
but it's very strenge. So there's
there's space scammers in a sense.

1165
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,079
We were talking about being scammed by
people in Las Vegas, and you've got

1166
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,079
to watch your back. And I
think you've got to watch your back from

1167
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:21,000
the aliens and EAT's and things.
By the sounds of things. I mean,

1168
01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:25,199
it's interesting that they're suppose you so
will kind of imply this idea of

1169
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:30,560
caring for the environment whilst crashing.
Their sources are making them a massive mess

1170
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,079
everywhere every time they crash, and
they don't even bother tidying it up.

1171
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:36,680
You know, it's a bit of
a contradiction really, But what are your

1172
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:41,640
thoughts on it? You know,
what are your thoughts about the the Senate?

1173
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,000
What do you think, Well,
well, Ben, you I'm also

1174
01:27:45,079 --> 01:27:47,720
saying, you know better than anyone. I think. Oh, this is

1175
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,840
just a bit of a speciality in
mind, have been really sort of,

1176
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:56,680
I suppose, obsessed with this whole
thing lately. Well, what's what Ronnie

1177
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,560
was saying about the crash atrieval issue. A lot of what he said is

1178
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,560
actually quite new information to me,
and these presented a view on the topic

1179
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:10,520
that I hadn't really considered before.
But I do certainly know that there were

1180
01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:15,479
a lot of the ideas they just
come here and they crash accidentally and things

1181
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,960
like that. That doesn't quite fit
because, for example, some of these

1182
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:25,840
craft are found intact and just left
there. It's without any occupants. They

1183
01:28:26,039 --> 01:28:31,439
just parked basically with the doors open
and the keys in ignition or the equivalent

1184
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,800
that's to wash it for And that's
maybe, well, this is a thing.

1185
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,199
I mean, who knows, I
mean, I don't. I think

1186
01:28:39,279 --> 01:28:44,279
maybe we're in a position where we're
all speculating, trying to anthropomorphize these these

1187
01:28:44,359 --> 01:28:49,680
beings, which really we're trying to
put ourselves in their shoes, which is

1188
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:55,840
not possible even if they have two
feet, we can't. And maybe it's

1189
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,720
just best to wait and try and
seem until we get a bit more information

1190
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:02,560
before each side completely. Now,
as for the hearings, now, unlike

1191
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,039
Ronnie, I think it's possible that
we may get somewhere with these. Now,

1192
01:29:06,399 --> 01:29:11,159
this doesn't mean that, of course, there are elements within the government

1193
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,399
still at large. You want this
truth and bugo to continue, and they

1194
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:16,399
want to stamp on it for all
the reasons that Ronnie said. However,

1195
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:21,439
I don't believe even for put it
this way, I'm not convinced that those

1196
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,640
people have a monopoly of power anymore. I think that ever since twenty sixteen,

1197
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,159
there has been something of a breakdown
in the control of the deep state

1198
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:33,960
or Illuminati or cabal or whatever you
want to call it. There has been

1199
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:38,600
a weakening of their position. I
think certain things happen under the world of

1200
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:44,560
politics at that time, which indicates
I would say, a complete, a

1201
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:50,720
complete suspension of communications from that from
that particular lead to the political structures of

1202
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:56,359
this world. Now we could I
think possibly the UFO issue has been a

1203
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:59,760
part of that. Hence a year
later you get like the New York Times

1204
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:00,680
are gone, things like that.
I mean, I know a lot of

1205
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,239
people saying, but Ben, it's
just a deeper part of the conspiracy.

1206
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:05,439
It's a double bloff, you know, it's another double bluff. It's just

1207
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:12,920
that no one has really provided a
really comprehensive reason about what if it's a

1208
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,319
disinformation, what exactly are they trying
to disinform us with? And so I

1209
01:30:18,399 --> 01:30:24,039
remain cautiously optimistic. But of course
I'm on my guard as well, because

1210
01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:28,880
you have to be, don't you. Yeah, I think that's a nice

1211
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,439
touch, Ben, I think,
you know, if it can reveal something,

1212
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:36,359
if the powers are weakening, this
certainly is troubled now because I even

1213
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:44,760
certainly from the political and the the
disgraceful news media that has been lined on

1214
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,359
the backs of the teeth. We
all know that they've been lined to the

1215
01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:49,560
backs of the teeth is cracking,
it's crumbling. They're getting just what you

1216
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:55,840
see. So what you state is
a little bit perhaps of hope, and

1217
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:00,560
I would hope. You know,
how incredible would that be? This is

1218
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,359
this disgraceful thing about them. The
hell do they think they are? They

1219
01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:06,880
think they have ownership of those things
when it is a global matter, it's

1220
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,319
nothing to do with them. But
of course then you will have the bickering

1221
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,760
from other countries to see. This
is the n if I stay be living

1222
01:31:14,319 --> 01:31:16,840
where you know, they'll all want
part of this technology or they feel it's

1223
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,720
that goods. Why didn't we crash
here? Why didn't you crash there?

1224
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:23,880
We have rights over that it is
crashed, is crashed on earth. It

1225
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,560
belongs to all of us. But
no it won't because it will belong to

1226
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:30,239
the state where it landed. That's
unfortunate for the aliens, I suppose,

1227
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,960
you know. But the point is
is that it will open up a kind

1228
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:39,239
of once but at the same token, just to seed and the pilots.

1229
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,359
I know they're gone, you know, remnants of them, but what they

1230
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,760
look like are their ships. I
have heard, yes, you're right,

1231
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:53,439
I haven't heard that some ships have
just been met up just and that's suspicious.

1232
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,199
That is really weird, isn't it. They didn't keep an eye on

1233
01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:00,680
the fuel gauge and they've gone up
that it can to the nearest garage.

1234
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:04,479
I did hear that from them as
well. It's from the actual man himself.

1235
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:10,520
Yeah, it's very bissa. It's
in fact, it adds more intrigue

1236
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,159
to it because you think, what
the hell is going on, you know,

1237
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,800
and what do they look like.
We have a description which is very

1238
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:25,239
common place with basically similar to the
grays. But he mentioned a number of

1239
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,319
species, so I wonder what the
others might well, we're looking like.

1240
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,159
You know, It's just curiosity,
isn't it. It's always an interesting thing

1241
01:32:32,199 --> 01:32:35,960
when you go back to the earlier
reports. I mean, obviously in more

1242
01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:42,279
recent years there's people that have been
taken aboard and messed about with and things

1243
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:45,000
like that. But if you go
back to the earlier reports of when they've

1244
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:48,399
encountered these crafts, they've always seem
to land and some person gets out,

1245
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:54,119
more typically a human, but sometimes
grace. They always seem to be tinkering

1246
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:57,560
with their craft, trying to repair
it or something, and they just happened

1247
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:02,159
to have been sighted being a pair
in the craft, you know, space

1248
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:05,640
spanner or something. I think there's
like an intergalect breakdown service out there,

1249
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:12,640
so alien and the monogers or something
you know that you're referring to. I'd

1250
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,520
gather the eighteen hundred to late eighteen
hundred airship there's some of those, and

1251
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,640
also in the more it's what John
Kill reports where he's gathered a number of

1252
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:25,199
reports and again Interestingly enough, he's
got his book Operation Trojan Horse, and

1253
01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:28,600
he suspects pretty much on the similar
lines to you, only with you know,

1254
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:33,000
they they throw a psychic event out
there, like a sasquatch or something,

1255
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:36,720
and everyone goes running to look for
the sasquatch. Meanwhile, these craft

1256
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:42,560
are landing and they're doing whatever they
want to do, and everyone's focusing on

1257
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,439
the sasquatch. And it's a bit
we're coming back to the magician thing here

1258
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:48,119
that we spoke about in part one
with Andy is is look at this hand

1259
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,800
and we'll keep you entertained with this
hand. The other hand, they're doing

1260
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:56,520
their slighter hand, whatever it may
be. Whatever they're doing still in our

1261
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:01,600
resources or whatever it is space pirates. I don't know ethically, that just

1262
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:05,640
comments on the subject of the craft
landing and belonging to the state where it

1263
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:12,119
lands. This does seem to be
the case with some countries. So basically

1264
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:16,760
the craft land I mean, the
UFO phenomena is global, and this includes

1265
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:23,600
crash betrievals and physical evidence to sisive
physical evidence. Now, some nations will

1266
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:30,520
indeed deal with this themselves. Russia
China will are particularly notorious in being very

1267
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:34,399
very having their own program and being
very possessive over the material that does land

1268
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:38,399
on their territory. However, there
does seem to be some kind of global

1269
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:43,039
policy in place in which many nations
of the world, probably the majority,

1270
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,119
will cooperate with the United States.
The United States, for whatever reason,

1271
01:34:47,039 --> 01:34:54,680
is the center of this particular secrecy. And maybe because the US did lead

1272
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,479
the world for forty years during the
Cold War, that could be why this

1273
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,920
has happened. And this is primarily
a post World War II phenomenon, the

1274
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:06,000
little array of crash retrievals, but
so other other nations won't. Other nations

1275
01:35:06,079 --> 01:35:09,920
do, But it seems like countries
like Brazil, for example, was very

1276
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:15,279
Brazil immediately complied with this global policy. The Americans immediately got to get involved

1277
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:17,880
with things like the Virginia incident for
example. Yes, you know that was

1278
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:23,279
fascinating, Jeff, So I cover
that in my new book, that that

1279
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:29,960
I had some kind systems from James
Fox, who produced the documentary on that.

1280
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:33,079
I believe that did happen. Yes, was very strange, was very,

1281
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:38,800
very very that's a good the good
film Fox made actually Moment of Contact.

1282
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:43,880
Yes, And on the subject of
the the alien sort of fixing the

1283
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,640
spaceship. But I've said that the
Timothy Good reports on a lot of these

1284
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,319
instances, especially Duly. I say, during the fifties and sixties there were

1285
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:53,640
a lot of these. Some of
them I think probably are some kind of

1286
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,199
spacecraft, some kind of aircraft or
spacecraft, and the people tinkering with them

1287
01:35:58,199 --> 01:36:03,039
are you real humans. There's an
instant I think which in which a tear

1288
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:06,479
drop shaped craft came and landed by
a road I can't remember. It was,

1289
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,640
I think somewhere in the US,
and a car drove up to it,

1290
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:15,560
and they saw some guys in overalls
with like US Air Force uniforms,

1291
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:21,399
like opening up the bonnet and sticking
spanners in and stuff like that. That

1292
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:26,119
doesn't explain all these instances by any
means. There are some that you're far

1293
01:36:26,199 --> 01:36:30,479
more bizarre. But can I just
say an interesting point with the lifting up

1294
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:36,600
the bonnet of your flying saucer.
If you typically think of a pilot,

1295
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:42,560
you know, airline pilot or a
small lightweight plane pilot. We know a

1296
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:47,079
few people. You don't necessarily see
a plane land on the m one or

1297
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:50,680
something, or in a field and
the pilot jumps out and tinkers with the

1298
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:57,760
propeller or tie it's a spanner on
one of the jet engines, or pumps

1299
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,960
the tire up and then jumps back
in it and flies are because typically the

1300
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:04,119
pilots maybe it's just the way there
are, but the pilots the fly these

1301
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:09,920
plans aren't the engineers. They have
engineers back at base that deal with all

1302
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:14,079
the mechanics of support network for these
crafts. So, you know, it

1303
01:37:14,199 --> 01:37:17,960
just seems kind of weird that you've
got these flying sources landing and they always

1304
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,800
seem to have faults with them,
but that you know, obviously they can't

1305
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:26,399
trust their own craft really because they're
crashing all the time. But also the

1306
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:30,039
pilots have got to be responsible.
They're on a mission and they're the ones

1307
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:32,439
that have got to get out and
fix the bloody thing. You know that

1308
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,319
they haven't brought mister Scott with them
to fix it or anything like that.

1309
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,199
You know, it's the Star Trek. They've got to be an engineer and

1310
01:37:40,319 --> 01:37:45,439
a space pilot and a peace goodwill
vulcan at the same time. Well,

1311
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,880
you're getting Morris minors in rolls Royces. Perhaps they need to go into a

1312
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:53,239
better settter you know. Yeah,
yeah, right, Well we're drawing to

1313
01:37:53,319 --> 01:37:56,479
a close here, so before we
get to our clothes, I'd just like

1314
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,600
to do a little bit of a
round robin and find out what everyone's got

1315
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:03,159
planned end for in twenty twenty four, as it's our Christmas show. We've

1316
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:08,800
all had a very interesting enlightening year. Can I start with Gary? Gary,

1317
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,560
obviously you're in the UK at the
minute. You're going to be heading

1318
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,720
back to Mexico maybe in the new
year. So what plans have you got

1319
01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:19,840
next year? Well, since I'm
not actually a UFO rioter or speaker,

1320
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:27,399
I'll be getting back to work or
able visiting your production head. I don't

1321
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:31,239
everyone knows this by workers and music
producers, so but myself if step by

1322
01:38:31,319 --> 01:38:35,239
client, but I shall be Yeah, I should run the pulse of the

1323
01:38:36,039 --> 01:38:42,880
the We' sing and will you be
doing some Iowaska, Yeah, I will

1324
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:47,079
be back to the Iowa. I
think that you said the last time.

1325
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:49,960
I suppose that you was going to
try a little bit more and go on

1326
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:57,119
a kind of a bit of a
journey with it microados years, but I

1327
01:38:57,279 --> 01:39:02,680
actually going for the full before syrap
get back. Wow. Yeah, obviously

1328
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:09,239
there's the whole issue with the kids
to speak about the shared uifor experiences wid

1329
01:39:09,279 --> 01:39:12,880
it for a couple of years now
and they have shared your experiences on a

1330
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:18,760
regular basis where they basically described the
same craft. So everyone seeing the same

1331
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:24,319
fit already wants the oscar it is, you know, the system. So

1332
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:30,000
once everything around that starts to change, then they all see it exactas and

1333
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:33,199
all these people are in the same
room together. Well, but what they

1334
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:41,279
do is it's always an outdoor syrup
start, yeah, rather than being like

1335
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,039
an enclosed environment. But they're seeing
a lot of strange stuff along the lines

1336
01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:49,720
of the kind of things that all
clear reports like our craft that seem to

1337
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:55,479
be movie or warthy you can't quite
get a handle of, like physicality,

1338
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,239
Yeah, what's atingly going on?
They describe the same thing. And of

1339
01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:04,000
course there's an issue where a lot
of the people the next day and when

1340
01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:10,680
they share their finding, they said
that they were told the influence of Awasca

1341
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:16,479
that they were in fact extraterrestrial,
will be having an earthly experience for one

1342
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:21,119
carnation on so that they e should
make the most of you know, their

1343
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:29,039
tie on Earth interesting. They're once
shot, so there's a definite UFO connection

1344
01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:32,239
with Oh, well, well come
back and tell us how you go on

1345
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:38,479
and be interested to find out if
you get any shared experiences of UFOs or

1346
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,279
ets or anything like that, and
yeah, yeah, and you can be

1347
01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:46,239
a man in Mexico, you know, get get some insights into these alien

1348
01:40:46,319 --> 01:40:49,880
mummies if you can and hike down
be and find the truth of it.

1349
01:40:53,079 --> 01:41:00,159
I won't be avoiding Mexico. And
Ben, what will you be doing for

1350
01:41:00,279 --> 01:41:02,159
next year? Is a year ahead? I think, oh, almost certainly.

1351
01:41:02,199 --> 01:41:05,279
And if if the pace of a
change continues as it has done,

1352
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,880
yes, I'll be continue to do
what I'm doing right now, which is

1353
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,920
a continue to spread information about this. This is the remarkable things that are

1354
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,640
happening in the world from my own
perspective, in the hope that I can

1355
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:27,640
add energy to this information war and
the increase in in towards the critical mass

1356
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,159
of awareness so that more and more
people will know about it to the point

1357
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:35,079
where it'll become common knowledge everywhere,
and that's when the world changes. I

1358
01:41:35,159 --> 01:41:38,720
will be going to more conferences,
I hope, at some points, maybe

1359
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,279
doing maybe going on another field research
trip. I don't think I'll be going

1360
01:41:42,319 --> 01:41:45,399
back to the isle of man,
But I may get the chance to do

1361
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,960
other things. And I'm also going
to keep writing and may be to rights

1362
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,920
some more fiction actually, because I've
been writing an online serial and I've been

1363
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:56,000
trying to convert one of my short
stories into a stage play things like that,

1364
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,439
so I hope to get on with
that as well. So that'd I've

1365
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:01,760
made for early next year, I'll
have hopefully a stage play, which would

1366
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:05,199
be nice, excellent, excellent.
And Ronnie, what's your plans? I

1367
01:42:05,279 --> 01:42:10,039
mean, you're writing your book any
other things in the pipeline as well?

1368
01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:13,720
Well? That one took me two
years only to have a break. So

1369
01:42:14,119 --> 01:42:16,680
I was just thinking, all of
us here, Gary, Neil, Ben,

1370
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,520
Andrew and me, we're all artistic. It's funny, isn't it how

1371
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:26,920
this thing affects artistic people. Yeah, So what I'll be what I'll be

1372
01:42:27,039 --> 01:42:30,000
doing is I think I want to
go back to all my crylic painting,

1373
01:42:30,119 --> 01:42:36,359
so I might give the writing or
break. There is a science fiction novella

1374
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:40,640
i'd been working on. But you
see, they take you years. I

1375
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,640
mean, I don't know how long
it takes Ben to night his books,

1376
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,520
but it takes me quite a few
years. You know. It's quite a

1377
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:51,359
long and you're being an author yourself
now, you know you you publish on

1378
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,359
it just takes ages. So I'm
going to have a break, a little

1379
01:42:56,399 --> 01:42:59,199
break, I think, do a
bit more painting, I think, And

1380
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:04,119
it's always hard to juggle. I
mean, i'm painting this at the moment.

1381
01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:08,920
I'll show you this. As we
been talking about painting, I see

1382
01:43:09,039 --> 01:43:13,079
that. Oh wow, yeah,
Rado, you see that's I mean,

1383
01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:15,479
the white faces is because they hadn't
been painted in yet. But that is

1384
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:21,279
actually a scene from the film.
What's the film now, Dawn of the

1385
01:43:21,359 --> 01:43:28,319
Dead? Oh, zombies and zombie
moving. So that's something that Monitor and

1386
01:43:28,399 --> 01:43:31,319
I are painting, co painting together. So I'll probably do a bit more

1387
01:43:31,359 --> 01:43:35,119
of that tomorrow. But it's a
tricky thing to juggle painting. And I'm

1388
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:39,680
writing the book. As you mentioned, I've got this book book Deals.

1389
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,840
So my book will be out next
year under a different title, and I'll

1390
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,359
tell people about that when it's closer
to the release time. So I've been

1391
01:43:45,359 --> 01:43:49,840
writing the book for the past three
years, again done in my spare time,

1392
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:55,279
but now I'm focusing it more heavily. So I'm taking the actual original

1393
01:43:55,399 --> 01:43:59,760
draft and reshaping it and swapping the
chapters around and things like that. So

1394
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:03,239
that would be out next year.
Andy, what will you be planning for

1395
01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:11,239
next year? Probably just a more
event and an expansion of tuning events and

1396
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,159
going from there. Really cool.
Okay, so everyone's got a busy year

1397
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:18,720
ahead. And Ben, will we
have disclosure in twenty twenty four? Oh?

1398
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:23,560
Everyone asked me that, and the
answer is, as always, I

1399
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:27,359
hope. So I think there's actually
probably a better chance next year than any

1400
01:44:27,399 --> 01:44:29,960
other year in the past. It
doesn't mean it will definitely happen, but

1401
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,479
I mean I've been I've been focusing
a lot on this particular subgtion. I'd

1402
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:36,239
say probably if I had to put
money on it, yeah, I would

1403
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:39,359
put a bet on. In fact, I have a bet on eight and

1404
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,640
like we'll be discovered within the next
five years. Really, And I bought

1405
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,600
a tenor at William Hill. I
actually got fifty to one when I'd put

1406
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,039
it on, so I get a
five hundred pounds if I win. So

1407
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:54,039
that's reason enough, I think.
And I've put a couple of years ago,

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01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:57,760
so I think it's only two years
left. So that's reasoning enough,

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isn't it. Well? Good luck
with everyone's projects, and just want to

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take this opportunity to thank everybody for
taking part in this Zevening show, the

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Paranormal Peak Show, the Paranormal UK
Radio Network, the Christmas special, So

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thank you very much indeed to Gary
Robinson, thank you, thank you Ben

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for taking part, and thank you
Ronnie and please send our best wishes to

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fill it and thanks to Andy and
it's thanks to you for watching. So

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thank you very much indeed for all
your watching and listening of our shows.

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And have a great Christmas and wishing
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