You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
peep Show. It's hi, welcome to the Paranormal peep Show. And the
very special thing about this episode is the Christmas Special, So welcome to everybody.
Welcome Andy. First of all, Happy Christmas, Andy, How are
you Happy Christmas as well? To you Neil? So you've got a busy
year, Andy, Yeah, I mean Halloween is now over. However,
I've been working on something pretty cool, which is our Christmas posters, which
is not going to focus because it's I don't know that your post I do
what it's doing. Why that's weird. So it's not quit it. I
can see it now. Yeah, So it's phasing in and out like a
ghost basically our Christmas posters for the psychic events that we're doing. Wow,
what's going on? So you're doing them all over the Heartford Cheer area and
beyond, Yeah, heart for sheer Essex, a bit of North London and
yeah, we were kind of like making the format slightly so it was going
to be it was kind of one to one was the main thing, and
kind of we were doing like a group demo on the side, but we're
flipping that over now, so it's going to be more about the group demo
and the one to ones on the side. So I'm going to be getting
myself out there a bit more and doing the whole mediumship psychic thing. We've
got a very talented magician as well that works with us called Mick, and
he he dazzles people with his party tricks. So that's quite fun. Oh,
brilliant, brilliant And what is it? Out of interest does what does
MiG think of the paranormal the psychics? Now, this is quite interesting.
So he was at some point a member of the Magic Circle. I don't
think he is now he kind of stepped back from it, but he says
that in the magic field, magic magic basically kind of it was started by
the magi, I think, like a tribe way way way back, and
it did actually start as an occultic supernatural belief system. So it did believe
in the It did believe in the kind of like the ghosts and spirit its
and psychic ability. It then kind of drifted into kind of like illusions in
terms of kind of like conning people in a way with kind of tricks and
illusions making them think one thing, sorting a lady in half and then turns
out the ladies fine, she stands up, and it's all well, and
you know, goes off in the kind of like the mentalism and the Darren
Brown air and that kind of thing. But it's it's for for for what
Mick says, it's very divided in the community. So you've got half half
the magicians actually think it's all load of old cod'swallop and they just think it's
purely purely Darwinian kind of thinking, and everything's illusion. Everything is kind of
conning people, and there's no such thing as the paranormal or the spiritual.
But the other half of the magic community do actually believe in it. And
what's really interesting is that they're the ones that keep their mouths shut shut most
of the time because they don't want people taking the piss or they don't want
to be kind of, you know, kind of portrayed to somebody who's a
bit woo woo wooll in mind thinking. So it's the whole thing of the
kind of the you get the shoutiest, gobbiest ones, and we've we were
talking just before we recorded this about one particular person that was a bit shouting
gobby to do. The space field, not so much the magic field,
but the space field that for some reason, the shoutiest, gobbiest ones they
get the lime lights, they get the attention, and they get the kind
of the focus on the mainstream media. And the ones that kind of keep
it, keep it a bit quiet, don't. They stay in the background.
But they do. Some magicians do actually believe in the supernatural and the
occult, but they're afraid to speak out. Interesting, Yeah, because I
know that they did add for the Skull Experiment and magician that went there and
took part in it, and you know, he actually said that there's stuff
that occurred in the Skull Experiment, which was a psychic kind of medium physical
mediumship kind of circle running for five years and the religious Skull in in the
late eighties early nineties, and he said there's things out that he can produce.
Yeah. Same in the nineteen seventies with the Enfield Haunting. The Enfield
Haunting had police officers, they had news reporters, and they had magicians.
They bought in magicians to try and work out how the girls were doing things,
and they couldn't quite work out how a lego brick was dropped and he
went from the upstairs through the ceiling and down plunked down through the downstairs.
They couldn't work it out, so yeah, interesting in it interesting, very
interesting? Right, Well, we better get to our guests. We got
this special to get through, and I think I've got a few Min's pies
to hand out in a minute, so stand by with your false teeth to
get them into my lovely Min's pies. First of all, welcome our regular
guest who's been a regular guest and also a co host this year is Ben
Emlyn Jones. Welcome back, Ben, Hello Neil. Great to be back.
Hello Andy Jarrey, Hello Ben do it it's lovely to be back here
again. I met Gary for the first time and no, I know we
very well from talking to him online, but I've never met him before until
now. He'd like face to face to talk to which is really really great.
You know we've not actually met face to face, but you know this
is the next best thing. Yeah, exacly, Yeah, it's it's been
quiet. It's been a busy year, a very busy year doing I've done
a hell of a lot. I've done things, I've never done before.
I went on. I've done actually a field research expedition. I went on
to the Isle of Man and actually did some field research, something that I
don't often do, actually probably not enough, and had a wonderful time,
had a really good time. I've been in many conferences, including the Stairways
the Stars in Las Vegas, USA. And I've taken part in the Oxford
fight Back, which is like resistance because we're the original fifteen minute city.
So yeah, listing it. So I've done that as well. So good.
It's been quite a year twenty twenty three. He really has. Of
course, the UFO situation, the disclosure is situation, was really accelerated this
year in ways that I never predicted. If you remember, we we did
cover this from previous shows with what watching in twenty twenty three is going to
be like? And I said, oh, I'm gonna We're going to see
like whistleblowers and hearings and something. No, that will never happen. If
I'd have said that happened, and it did. Yeah, it all started
off with a few stray balloons and look where it's ended up, you know,
Mexican mummies. Yeah, talking a loon and three objects to exercise.
Talking to Mexico. Gary currently in Hawill Hampstead, but he also resides in
Mexico. Welcome once more back to the Paranormal peep Show, Gary Robs,
Thanks mate, and how are you Gary? Pretty good? It's been back
in the UK for six months. I can honestly say I haven't attended any
paranormal UFO conferences as I've been mad busy, but I've been keeping you know,
my finger on the pulse through paranormal peak show true groof pausing, clear
pam woa. Of course. Yeah, we're they're the ones to listen out
for, to keep you know, to earn your paranormal and a cold and
UFO knowledge because we steal it all off everybody else and just bug it back
out. But no, we have our people on the ground. Fan of
Oh sorry, carry on, Gary. I was going to saund a big
fan of Andy's woke takedowns. That hasn't been one for a while. Me
and Neil got into that on my episode back in the summer a bit.
Yes, Andy would be there join Garry was missing Andy and he really wanted
to kind of do some woke stuff. We'll have to do it a woke
special, Neil, another work. You know, I don't think anyone does
it better than Andy just directs. Yeah, Andy, do you have your
little honkin horn on standby? You know you should really then go. I
think we should have because we do this monthly, Neil, don't we We
should have anoun special. So this, this clown horn is especially reserved for
the private jets that we're going to a company any rich millionaires flying to COP
twenty three no COP twenty eight Climate, a climate change and global warming awareness
thing in order to ask us to cut down our carbon footprint. And the
private jets were grounded because of one of the worst snowstorms in Britain. So
a big hunk just to Gretathenburg and all of the climate clowns. Well,
we can celebrate that a bit more because I've got some lovely mince pies and
other nice tasty things. Is so if your fancy one, I shall pass
them through the magic, the occult magic of the screen and help yourself.
Everybody. Oh, look at that. I'll like this into a mug.
So I'm just going to drink from that. That's amazing. It is up
on the rich planet starship. Yeah, yeah, look at that tasty glob.
There is no expenses sped on the CGI special effects. Neil Mine's transounded.
It looks I made. Yeah, those do kind of handers to go
through hyperspace, and yeah it might use a bit of there, lose a
bit of their kind of flavor, but they're still good. You know,
they're still in dat according to the day that I'm operating from. Anyway,
all this mu's nice. This is my first one of the seasons and it's
delicious excellent. So Gary, Yeah, when we last spoke, we were
talking about your life in Mexico and things like that, and we never quite
got to compete in a lot of your stories. So that's right. I
thought we'll start off this part of the show with some of your interesting tales
from Mexico and Hemil and beyond so far away with some interesting things if you
want to entertain us whilst we'd much on me. Absolutely so. I guess
I was always interested in UFOs and alternative subjects, but like most people during
your sort of twenties and thirties, you know, I kind of fell out
a bit a bit until I started going back, well until I started going
to Mexico The first thing that happened was before I was married, and I
was just visiting the wife, you know. Every now and again, we
would stay in this old house in Monterey, which is a city in the
north of Mexico, but in the mountains. If you've ever seen Predator,
the jungles from Predator are just on the outskirts of the city, so where
the actual buildings. It's almost like Los Angeles, but you're looking out over
to you know, jungles and mountains and miss It's crazy. Anyway, we
were staying in this old house that we were told was haunted, and I
think the first night we were there, we were lying on bed looking out
over the mountains literally, and I started noticing the little lips like whizzing across
the sky, whizzing back different directions, and I couldn't believe what we was
seeing. So, you know, we both got to the window and we're
looking out and we can see like from the airport. Because these things always
happened by airports, don't they. And it comes of people say, oh,
well, you would look at the lights from the planes, but planes
don't zip across the sky and disappear and they come back in different directions.
We were watching these things for about half an hour until we had to sort
of go off and do something else. But what we saw in the sort
of months to come, as shows like Ancient Aliens came on TV, I
saw what they would, you know, people were describing, you know,
the the erratic UFOs that are always like small white lights and zip across the
sky. There's a term they used to describe them. I don't know if
Ben can remember remember this as fast walkers. I'm not sure that they were
very They moved so fast and they changed directions so quickly. I mean,
how on earth is that plane at the end of the day. I mean,
we're looking out across where the airport is in Monterey, but it's definitely
not going to be a plane zipping off in multiple directions. So I kind
of got interested in the subject again, but I didn't see anything else in
Mexico. Returned to the UK after that trip and started seeing things in Hemel
and so first the first thing that I saw was actually reported on London tonight,
and I just happened to be looking out the window of like my old
townhouse across town towards London on the phone and what I actually saw was I
described it as I've got white fire the size of the sun. That stayed
there for about ten seconds. As it faded out, it left the outline
of a perfect circle, which was also glowing. So what on earth was
that? And then that eventually faded to nothing. It was really strange,
you know. Yeah, the same thing was reported on London tonight, but
of course no explanation for that. But that was in the direction of London.
In those days, I used to commute to London for work, and
I used to live with my grandmother in the same house I saw that UFO
from so I come home one day and a good old man sitting in the
living room and she says to me, you know, she calls me in
and she's all concerned. She tells me that a huge rainbow colored sphere has
been sitting outside the window, but the whole day she described it as watching
her. He says, I was close to calling the police. I didn't
know what to do. She said, I was going to find you at
work. She said, it's only just gone. It's been there all day,
and I thought, well on earth could that be? I mean,
I don't know how I got the best description from her that I could.
She was very old and she was in her eighties and the only way that
she could describe it was that it was a sphere that was rainbow colored,
had the colors of the rainbow, and they were all, you know,
like moving and undulating and at this was quite big, and she couldn't understand
why nobody else had seen it and it was just outside their house. Just
how how far? How far up roughly? Which you saying, like up
in the shop? I said it? She said, it was just above
the rooftops. So typical Hamil townhouse in the three stories, the nineteen sixties
townhouse. It's nobody else saw it. There's no neighbors, nobody came out,
and well we were no no one at all. We were pretty close
with everyone in that street because she'd owned that house and single kids, so
we knew everyone. Not not a word from anyone else. And it wasn't
long after that that the next thing happened, which was see in my room.
Like my bedroom, my studio and workstation was on the top floor,
so I'm always on the phone looking out over the landscape. One side of
the house looks over to Looton airport and the other to London. So I'm
looking at the London side again and I see think floating slowly again just above
the rooftops from I guess it was London direction towards the house. And as
they got closer, I decided to cool good Man upstairs and have a look
something else. Another strange goings on. And as it got close, it
was like the size of the football, kind of like carbon fiber texture.
And I think, then you've discussed these before, haven't you people seeing something
similar? These are small spherical objects. Yeah, solid structure, not just
solid solid structure, but you could kind of see that it was turning,
even though it was very smooth and there there were no markings, no lemishes
or anything. Yeah, it goes over the house. I mean, it
wasn't much higher than the rooftop. So we go to the other bedroom looking
out towards at an airport and we watched this thing float off over the fields
actually in the actually Gluton airport, just in a straight line, slowly,
never changing speed. And what I will say about that is that someone I
know who it's, shall we say, an authority or in an authority to
position, but I probably shouldn't reveal on the show. Told me, we
know about those and we know where to go to watch them, but we
don't know what they are. Yeah, that's pretty extraordinary because they've been seeing
a place like crop circles and you know, Colin Andrews said, you know,
he was basically fed all kineges. It's too long a story to tell
here. Basically, Colin Andrews was involved in a government research projects in the
late eighties into crop circles and they they basically led him up the garden path.
It was pretty clear he was They were trying to get him to spread
disinformation while the the MATH that's the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food was
carrying out its own private, secret investigation. It's called death ra today the
Department of Environments and Food and Rural Affairs that they were carrying out their own
secret investigation. But just just literally over the hill in the next field.
Yeah, there are quite a lot of No. I was going to say
that Philip and Ronnie who had joined us in part two, they had an
experience of the sphere when they were children with their own remember that story.
Yeah, Yeah, just to recap for listeners, and viewers that are not
aware of it. But I mean, obviously they could tell you themselves.
But as I understand that, they were in the garden with their grandmother and
this sphere came down across the way or something, and then came down from
over the fence or the hedge and came down almost like opposite there to the
side, you know, like the height of their heads, looked at them
for about two or three seconds maybe, and then buzzed up and looked appeared
to look I think in the bedroom window of the house, and then went
off somewhere over the roof somewhere. And they said to their grandmother, I
think there's eight or nine years old at the time, twin brothers, and
they said, Grandma, what's that? And she said to them, oh,
don't worry, it's just the fairies come in to chink on us or
something like that. And obviously it must have spooked her a little bit,
but she didn't want to frighten the boys as they were back then by saying,
oh my god, I don't know what it is, or is a
UFO or whatever, so doing it in a friendly tone, saying it's a
nice fairies come to say Hello, it kind of helped to kind of calm
the situation, I think more. Yeah, but they look back on it
now, they look back on it, I think with wonderment. But also
there was fondness with their grandmother, who was obviously very protective of them and
stuff, you know, looking back on it, But obviously you know from
their perspective now, as as as people that write books on UFOs and the
paranormal, they've got very much of a much more clearer perspective of what they
encountered. They can't say what it was, but I think they know the
kind of phenomena that was more integrated with rather than the fairies as such.
But yeah, carry on. Garrett's very interested in these things because the fact
that your nan you ironically you've seen these were your nan as well. It
seems to be a band phenomena. Yes, our spherical object wasn't so interested
in us that it just passed them head. But that's another subject, isn't
it? Are they fairies or are they aliens? That's something that a lot
of people, I mean some discuss Some people say are they aliens or are
they demons? So that's yeah, and it kind of depends it depends.
I mean, I'm not going to mention them. But I've been in contact
with somebody who approached me who lives in Manchester, and she's been experiencing some
quite interesting UFO and ET things going on. Her story it's more on the
positive side. It's more on the not exactly the love and light side,
but on the healing side. And they she she got bounced onto me because
somebody read it and I don't. I don't quite know what read it is.
I think it's something where people go and it's a forum where they ask
question something like that, and they basically suggested paranormal beep show. And she
contacted me through deep show, I will say, actually frending on Reddit.
Yeah. I'm not going to name her obviously, but she it was this
fascinating. She gives me regular updates and she's been telling me what's been going
on, and her her family background is a bit military and a bit r
F oriented. I'll just leave it at that. And it does seem to
be the ones with the with the military background that have this kind of thing
going on. And I think there's also some other shenanigans and this is clownhorn
time. So the complete dickheads who keep putting porn on our Facebook page for
the Paranormal peep Show. Could you f off? Please be really quite irritating
now for some reason. And you won't know this now because you've come off
Facebook, but on Paranormal peep Show on our Facebook page, it is inundated
with bot fake fake profiles of people basically putting porn pictures and porn videos which
get immediately taken out. That if they if they're doing this, Ben Ben,
you had a theory, they could either be liberal left wokes or they
could be the three letter alphabet agencies in America on their the I don't know,
crusade against the truthers and people who want to get this information out there.
Or maybe they just understand they misunderstood because let's just see the word peeps
when they get the wrong with this. This is another thing I wondered.
I wondered if it's some kind of algorithm that's kind of like crawling Facebook and
social media looking for things like peep Show and then dumping its crap on.
Yeah, I mean, I meant it as a joke, but seriously,
that might be Yeah, it might be the reason because they're all fake bots,
and and I keep banning them, every single one I just banned,
ban banned. So whether the Chinese bots or North Korean bots or Russian bots,
I don't know, but they keep getting banned, and if they think
that they're actually impacting on us, they're not. We're not getting any strikes
or warnings or anything because it's on a mode where Facebook picks it up automatically.
There's there's a thing that you can select, like if you if you
think someone's about to spam with nudity, you can click delete it immediately.
So they're now getting deleted immediately. But it's it's quite irritating that there's things
like that out there. I mean, what what do they whoever's behind it
or whatever's going on, What do they hope to achieve from This is what
I don't understand, because obviously social media is going to remove nudity, and
especially Facebook is going to remove sexual content, So why why even bother in
the first place. This is what baffles me. I mean, they might
think it will stop people from you in the page, but this is as
a certain percentage of people that work, then they won't look at the page.
Yeah, that's what their game is I think that's I think that's probably
why. So again it could it could be kind of far left wokes.
Because I'm vehemently anti woke. I hate woke, So any kind of like
far leftists listening twice, I would probably want to cancel it. And because
we're not actually saying anything that controversial, they're going to have a bit of
a job actually properly canceling it. So the next step would be kind of
like dumpload of pawn on there and hope just getting But it has been that
people have tried that. I mean, I mean, it could be just
they're trying to draw you. It's advertising certain websites, I mean Mike getting
in boxes and for and requests from people whether they're real or not. I
mean, they look to me like prostitutes. Yeah, and I always get
friend requests that's just from them. And I have a I've had there's a
friend of mine that goes scammed. Neil's frozen up. Sorry, Andy,
Neil's frozen up again. Yeah I'm still here. I can see my image
movie. Okay. Yeah, so a friend of mine is does scam baiting.
I do if I if I've got the time, I can't help myself.
So my name is Dad and I am from Russia and I would like
a lovely husband. This is my picture and know this kind of thing,
and sometimes most of the time I just delete it. But if I'm in
the mood, if I'm in a cheeky, mischievous mood, I'll go along
with it and I'll just see how far i can take it. And there's
a friend of mine who who's trying to get the scammer involved in a known
cult, and there's the foundation for no Miss in the UK. We've got
a little form as well that they can fill in to join the known cult
as well. That fantastic, fantastic, So Gary, who up but your
guard into your urophone experiences? Do you have any ghostly stores as it's Christmas,
you know what? I do have one which is a little bit spooky
but maybe not very cinematic, which is in the same house. It's where
I saw the zip Zapper UFOs in Monterey. I was told by my wife
at the time, well before we were married. She was just one of
the housemates, but the girl that owned it. It's terrified at the place.
It was quite a modern house, but you would walk in, and
that was like a huge crucifix on the staircase with Christ and he was blooded
and it was very atmospheric in a bad way. Anyway. They said that
they would wake up and there would beat this guy in the bedroom and he
would just stand in the corner and look at them, and he was like
a young handsome guy in a suit. And they'd had a number of sleepovers
with like you know, all the girls after the clubs, staying in one
specific room. They would wake up, this guy would be there. They'd
go to another room for a sleep and the guy would eventually appear in the
corner of the room at night. Not nowever, don't believe any of this
because you know, I wasn't particularly wom minded at that point. Other than
seeing the UFOs, I wasn't sure to think. But one particular night,
we were staying there, meaning is a built, staying there alone, and
basically we settled down for the night, lights out, were exhausted, and
we can hear somebody coming in. We can hear somebody walking up the stairs.
I can see footsteps under the door, you know, because the door
had a huge gap. I can hear somebody knocking at the door. We
decided just just to hide, but the alarm system was the alarm system would
have needed to be deactivated for someone to get in, and that didn't happen.
Next morning, there's no one there in the house, so that was
my only paranoral experience. But it just didn't feel good and we just decided
to hide until it went away. But that was footsteps and knocking at the
door, so there's no doubt about it. And it struck me enough to
actually tell a few people about it, who actually a friend of mine in
Scotland actually shared a similar experience with me that he had where he actually heard
a voice after someone was knocking and saying hello, Hello, which was pretty
freaky. But I think the freakiest thing that happened to me in Mexico.
I told you about this after the last show, Neil, and this is
something that kind of had a profound effect on me. Is every time I
tell people about it, it doesn't generate any interest on what it is.
I used to sit on the roof of my house, which is a flat
roof, at the end of the day and just a skywatching rollas have at
of water right about six pm. So one day I'm looking at the stars.
Nothing out of the ordinary is going on. I'm ready to go back
in Soie. So I get to the part of the roof where I'd climbed
down. As soon as I hit the floor outside my back door, I
look up over the top of me fliers, a flock of birds that were
made out of fire and light, and they were fully animated. They were
fully animated, a flock of about ten birds. I watched them for about
five seconds fly over until they disappeared, and it was like golden fiery light.
I could see like the light inside them but made up the mass of
the limbs, if that makes sense. At the same time, the wings
were flapping, and I guarantee there was no mushrooms or ayahuasca involved. At
that point, I hadn't taken any stuff like that, So what the hell
that was? I remember you had an explanation for me as to what they
might have been, and i've clearly I now remember the story. But I'm
trying to remember what the ex about that, Garry. I remember you telling
me to any ideas spent what it might be. It's it sounds remarkable,
I mean, I think I want to see it. It was unreal.
Yeah, if I remember, there was. I managed to find something from
from local mythology, phoenix that is like, yeah, similar to that,
phoenix is something that's born out of its own ashes. But I know there
were there's there were. Actually I found out there was a legend of birds
made of fire dating back to pre Columbian times, veryld, very older legends.
And I can't remember. I don't remember the details of Gary. I
remember you telling me this, but it was a couple of years ago.
Yeah, I remember you telling me about this. Yeah, but that's that's
that's the strong stros I was. I was standing there for a minute so
in the dark, thinking what else I've just seen. And of course people
might say, oh, it's a hologram or it's you know, something similar.
But the time where we live is quite a wasteland. I mean,
we can cross the border into Dorio, Texas and you're in civilization. But
where we are it's a mixture of mainly poor houses huts, and then the
odd middle class house and the odd mansion. There is no there are no
night clubs with holograms or anything like that. It's pretty It's like something a
Mad Max. It's like a backwater Mexican town on the border is what will
be? What will be? It is if you could have a look at
into kind of Aztec and Incan mythology, see if there's any kind of firebirds
in depictions in their symbolism on the pyramids. Yeah, I know what I
didn't think of that. We do have some twenty minutes down the road we
have some sort of Mayan gods like statues, rain gods, other stuff.
And strangely enough, just down the road from me, there's a highway that
takes you from where we live all the way to San Antonio, Texas.
And my brother in law one night, apparently I was in the car asleep.
It was driving me from the airport. He actually saw a thunderbird,
as in a real thunderbird, and he actually slowed down. So whether that's
connected to it, But what he said was it was a it was an
eagle the size of a man, sitting on the side of the road,
and it was as in an anatomically correct eagle. And he just said he
slowed down and looked at it, couldn't believe what he was looking at.
Couldn't wake me up because I was jet lagged. So whether that has some
kind of meaningful connection with you know, Birds of Light under Bird. As
I say, the size of the man is not not in terms of wingspan,
in terms of the size of the No, the body. Yeah,
from the feet to the head was like the size of the large man,
so that the wings would have been huge. Yeah. Hardcore skeptic, Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a he's a hardcore skeptic, so there
was no reason to him so underd Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. And
talking of things in Mexico, obviously, I know you're you're you're not there
now, but I mean, uh, are you getting like from from the
family. Are out there any kind of opinions on these Mexican UFO alien bodies
presidently to us. Oh, I've got my own opinions on them. Yeah,
yeah, be share. This is the this is these are the little
white statues that himI Massan was. That's correct. Yeah, Well, I
think I go along with what you said recently, Nil in one of the
recent shows where you said that they just look like something somebody would have made
a thousand years ago to represent like a god, like a crew carving,
because they don't look real. Yeah, but I guess I've got to play
skeptic on this one because the trouble is in Mexico and this is a cultural
thing. People get excited, like really easy and they buy into something,
and I think this is what happened to himI Massan. I think it was
about fifteen years ago where somebody made like a fake faery being out of body
parts and tap, and they gave it to him and he just immediately lost
it and went through global and said like, I've got body at the fairy.
And it was only when in the lab they could they found that there
was super glue holding like the limbs together. And I can't help but think,
you know, based on looking at those things that they just don't look
very genuine. In fact, to me, they don't even look very old.
So they how they can say that there was alien eggs inside them or
whatever they were saying. I just I just don't get that. But I
do think it's a case of the Mexican cultural thing where somebody says, yeah,
look at this, you know, and then I'm in the sand,
gets really excited and you can buy it into it, and then they just
go all out, and that is that is the way of things. In
Mexico. You know, it's like it's somebody who opens a restaurant. The
right person says, that's the best techo stand in the city, then that's
the one that everyone floods to. You know, can add something? I
add something to this, Actually, yeah, sure, I've actually just interviewed
Steve Mahyer for my own show. Steve carried out an investigation into these objects
back in twenty eighteen, and what he found out was that these are actually
there are actually constructions. They're constructed out of a mixture of random human bones
and animal bones, many of which are actually robbed from the graves of the
classical civilizations of Peru, and this is doing terrible damage accidentally to the architectural
world of that ancient country. And unfortunately, yep, they are basically the
large one known as Maria, actually is a human body, but it has
like a fake head put on it, made from a carved skull of a
lama. And there's another one that's got a dog's head on it. And
this I thought, you know, we both of us thought this had been
forgotten. But then suddenly they reappear at this hearing in Mexico, and all
the newspapers can talk about the next day of these strange objects, these mummies
apparently, which is unfortunately discredits a lot of what else happened in this remarkable
event. It should have been a real it should have been a wonderful moment.
But himI really really dropped a clang at the last minute there, and
Jimi my son is I think he lets his imagination runs away with him.
His enthusiasm, I think overtakes him. And he does sometimes promote fake,
fake stories. Now, some people say it's malice and greed. Are to
give him the benefit of the doubt, I'd say, I think it's because
he he is just he's just a little bit ungrounded, or very ungrounded.
He does promote some genuine cases as well, and he researches some genuine cases
too. I mean like the mirror the Marida alien, the one in the
alleyway where the alien reaches out and grabs the boy playing football. You messed
in that video? That's that, you say, Mirador, I think I've
been there. Actually, yeah, there's an alley way, there's a there's
a videos, but he's filmed on an old nineteen nineties mobile phone. It's
not very good. Quality. Okay, he see a bunch of kids playing
football at night and literally there's some creature pokes his head out from behind a
a lamp post and reaches out a very long arm and perhaps one of the
boys and they run Scheming. He helped her well, he didn't really do
much of the investigation. He did visit some Virginia, Brazil, where there's
a very very significant case there. But generally speaking, he's not someone I
would I would trust, and I'd like to say you shouldn't get him involved
in things like this, but unfore she would hire me. You can't really
stop him, and I think it physically would be impossible to stop him.
You're getting into this event. I think a column of tanks would would not
even be able to prevent him from getting into that. Avantes, he's just
I think it's a Mexican thing. Ben. It's like it might sound a
bit racist, but they have sort of like a general quality control issue.
They rush into everything that sounds a bit harsh, but that's just their cultural
difference. Whereas we would look at the alien mummies, seeing them for the
first time with skepticism, and they would just go get it on the CV
who cures the super party, and sometimes it is that. There are people
called the wacroos. These are grave robbers and they're very often they're just poor
people who like they I understand their dilemma. But the cowboys how boys.
Yeah, it's like the drug dealers who like that they can they don't have
any opportunities. They can spend their life on the minimum wage or stand on
the street corner for a couple of hours and five grand. I mean,
it's it's understanding. All that temptation is there. There were caros are similar,
but what they do is they they work for the black market antiquities trade,
which is worth over four billion dollars a year, and they sell these
They literally sell these fakes and some of them are fake and some of them
are real. But they'll sell fakes if they can get away with it for
like millions and a million dollars apiece, some of some of them go for
more than a million apiece. And there's a huge d It's not just a
problem in Mexico and South America. It's a problem all over the world.
Egypt has its own black market antiquities and run by very ruthless gangsters who like
have paid, you know, they have some of the police on their side,
and people like that, they like the mafia and like Asian to you
know, Babylonia, Iraq, Mesopotamia, that area too, And so unfortunately
this whole business has probably been organized by those people, and that they got
there careers to go out and gather the bodies and the remains, and then
they concocted these fake alien mummies. Yeah, it's interesting because I was watching
some whole thing about it, and I was trying to sort of think,
okay, let's get an updated perspective on this, these mummified alien and I
still skept her the whole thing. But supposedly some scientists I can't remember who
it was, the University East person was saying, oh, yeah, we've
damn ined the DNA and it's part reptilian, and I thought, that's that's
interesting. So I thought, oh, I wonder if they've inserted that to
make it sound really legit, you know, the reptilian angle or something,
you know. And then they show these eggs through through the scanner and that
and the eggs looked rather like like, I don't know, crocodile eggs or
something like that. Maybe they've thrown in there for good measure. Probably yeah,
yeah, but you know, I mean, the thing is, we're
supposedly with these grays. If they're supposedly modeled on grays, they're then grays.
As we understand the idea of grays anyway, that they're not reproduced in
any way, that they have reproductive organs. So the idea of them having
eggs inside them is kind of like, from our perspective, a bit kind
of questionable. And so whoever's been making these aliens hasn't quite got all there,
like alien mythology sorted out. I think it's it's possible, I mean
why they probably created these to make them look like aliens because maybe there is
now they may think they can get in on this this enthusiasm for aliens that's
coming around. I mean the problem is that the experts are highly brought on
in hearing These experts that he's been working with are probably a part of it.
Actually, they're probably involved. I mean they there are run they're running
private projects. They had nothing to do with their universities there at the university
has completely washed their handle the whole thing, And it's tempting to say,
well, that's because there's a cover up. You know, there's a cover
up. But unfortunately, I think that these experts are simply working with the
people trying to flog these these charades to the whoever will buy them. It's
it's very sad. So how Steve, how did Steve Mirror get involved,
you know, to go all the way over there to examine it? Why?
Why? I mean, if they're inviting, presumably Steve to go in
and say, hey, so look at that, they're running the risk of
them being exposed as completely fake, which obviously he has sort of said that.
Yeah, I think they underestimated him. Actually, I think it was
it was guy A TV were doing a project. They were doing a t
A series about it. You actually watch it. I've watched the program,
and Steve was involved with them. But I think they Steve is a is
an honest guy. I mean, Steve will call out nonsense where he sees
it. I mean, he's worked closely with Don Phillips, and Don I
think was a bit nervous when he first got involved with Steve because he knew
that Steve will, Steve will actually she will actually say what he thinks and
he'll and you and indeed Steve actually gave Donna a clean bill of health and
a glowing report. But when Steve went over there and he did he did
these research, He did the research and he did I interviewed him originally back
then, and they didn't have the results in and it was still a bit
up in the air whether these were generally and not genuinely anonymous anomalous bodies that
had come from some kind of hybrid race in the Nasca area. And this
was this is what went in on, this is what went into the first
guy a documentary. But then Steve came out and said, no, this
is not the case. This had not he he actually said this what what
he actually thought? This was actually published in the Phenomena magazine magazine for which
she writes regularly, and he's actually you can it's actually completely free if you
want to get old of a copy. It's you just put your email and
they'll send you for free. It's very good. And unfortunately this is uh.
I don't think the people who whoever's behind this, I don't know.
I don't I'm not blaming Gaya for this. It's probably a load of people
in the local area who were trying to like bambooze or some ufoshu jazz from
the West. I think they would they were probably not have selected Steve if
they know what he was like, I think they underestimated him. Excellent.
It it's a shame, really because there's so much real stuff. I said
this to Steve. There's so much here that's real and it's very exciting.
And why isn't that enough? Why do why do they? Why do people
have to make up fakes or even we'll go after fakes and things like that.
It's it's a great shane because maybe yeah, also you could derail kind
of momentum of certain things, like like the UFO disclosure movement, and it
throws a complete you know, whether it's intentional or not, it does seem
to throw a complete doubt spanner into the works, doesn't it. I'm sure
it's very it's very useful for people who do want to discredit us and want
to keep the stuff buried. I mean, for example, like I said,
the Mexican hearing was could have been a wonderful victory, but unfortunately they
defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory. It was a great to shame
at the last minute, then these these frauds, that these fraudulent things were
brought on, and that it made a joke up because everything there was so
many really great witnesses with Captain Bob Sallas, there was Ryan Graves, there
was other there was other speakers from France, from Japan for the United States,
from from Argentina, and really they really brought up some really good information.
As a guy in Mexico who's kind of the Mexican equivalent of John Greenwall
Jr. You know, he's always sending off freedom of information at requests under
their law to try and get as much UFO material as they can, because
there's a very rich UFO culture in Mexico. I mean, it's it's at
least as at least as productive and fertile as the United States. We don't
it doesn't, it's not exported as much as the American scene, but it
is there, and there's a lot of people who are serious about this and
they don't want they don't want to be they don't want everything polluted with these
tours in their punch bowl talking to the United States. We'll go to a
break soon. But Ben, you've just come back to the United states.
You went to Las Vegas, didn't you. So tell us a little bit
about your trip to Las Vegas. Yeah, sure, Oh well, I
went to a conference call Stairway to the Stars. This is a three day,
full on conference in Las Vegas, US saying it's at the Luxaw Complex,
which is like a big it's the most incredible thing. I mean,
Las Vegas is full of these most incredible structures. They were all all shapes
and sizes. It's it's like it's it's all like like miniature versions of New
York and Venice. And there's many film sets in. Yeah, Caesars Palace
which has a Roman them, and there's a Venetian Center. There's a little
Eiffel tower that was half sized Eiffel tower, but this was this is a
black Egyptian pyramid and in front of it is like a sphinx and there's there
are obelisks as well, and everything in this place has an Egyptian theme and
it's alsosly very well done. It's all one hundred percent fake, Like everything
in Las Vegas, it's all it's all, it's all just staging now,
so it's got to kind of creeping light to it. You Reckon, you
know, because Alice Taylor said that he went he went there to and I
can well believe it because it is literally his. It's shape like this is
this energetic structure, which of course the Egyptians knew about. We went in
there. Though there's a there was. Really it's by farther the biggest scope
of any conference I've ever been to. There were more speakers there were,
And the reason they had so many speakers is because they were running them in
parallel. Mm hmm. They have alas things called the King's Chamber, which
is for all the big, the the ones, the beginning of the big
names, that the kind of Chino speakers. But then they had these they
had they had Lotus one and Lotus two, which is these small auditoriums,
and they had five smaller rooms they called Galerias one, two, three,
four and five, and all these were running simultaneously, which means you couldn't
see every single speaker because you they were running concurrently, which meant you had
to choose sometimes which ones you were going to go and see. It's like
the UFO version of the Glacestterbury Festival. It's actually fairy like that. Yeah,
And Indeed, the other the conference it's most like, I think was
the Glassbush and Posium, which I also went to this year. Incidentally,
I went to that. Well that's that's in Glastonbury and July. Another reason
I felt it was like that because it was not like a UFO conference.
It had a UFO conspiratorial angle, but it was mostly i'd say a New
Age type conference. There was a lot of people. There was a lot
of people talking about spiritual subjects, Ansian mythology, ancient to spiritual traditions,
including the Egyptian one, which is why it was how at the Luxe saw
indigenous mythology, the Amerindian traditions. They had these they had these shamans from
the Shoshone nation, the local tribe, and they were doing like drumming and
they were citing poetry and singing songs. That was very That was very nice.
That was there was a couple of meditations where we took part in that,
which is really really good. And I did have great fun, and
I must say, you know, it was enjoyable. It was really enjoyable.
The highlight of the whole trip though, was when I actually got I
went to Rachel, Nevada, just cloutside hr Yeah, to park up with
a lot of other people and look the night sky do a SkyWatch just outside
area fifty one. I went to a SkyWatch just outside area fifty one,
just in the fore quarter of the famous little Alien. It's famous to the
establishment. There is like a pub restaurant in this tiny little village called Rachel,
which is like seventy miles from anyway. It's like it's a remoteness you
would never have in this country. It took like about four hours to get
there on the coach. Didn't the coach driver and lose their way or something?
They said, Oh, there was there a clock ups galore that in
this entire expedition. The organizer and was tearing their hair out at the end
of it. But you know, despite that, everyone enjoyed it, and
I went and said a big thank you in the next day to the organizers.
I didn't think i'd be able to go because I hadn't either. There
was a mess up with the organization and me getting on the coach, so
I had to basically buy another ticket, but I wasn't sure if i'd get
on because we're sold out. So luckily I went there and someone was someone
to change their mind and they didn't want to go, so I bought their
ticket off them. So, oh my god, I got to go to
Area fifty one or about Rachel was about as close to Area fifty one as
you can get. It was. It was probably better to go in daylight.
Actually, you can't see very much at night, is yeah. I
remember screeing your video thinking, well, I can't see much, but at
least you went there. Did you see any activity in the night scup?
No? I mean we weren't there. We only actually were there forout an
hour and a half and we spent most of that time just standing around the
counterfire. By the time we got everyone to had food and drink and finished
our meals and we just went to the satrill and we were having fun.
Jimmy Church was kind of like to cheerleading us all along, and they adds
a few there's some night vision goggles. But literally we had to leave that
an hour and a half later because we arrived very late. I want to
shame it was, but it was. But I've got no regrets. I'm
glad I went, and it was definitely the highlight of the trip. Everything
I heard about the alien about thirty years ago, longing to go there,
and I mean, you know, and I finally did it, and I'm
really really happy I finally got there. I'd love to go back. Maybe
I'll go back in daylight if I get another opportunity. I would say,
would you plan on going to the conference again? Maybe next year if they
do it, maybe, or I'll see how it goes, because there's other
things I want to do, and there's other things I want to do next
year. I've got plans for next year. But I would like to go
back in daylight and go to the Groom Lake Road and we see a bit
more of that area. She was nice to get out of Las Vegas.
To be honest, you didn't seamy black helicopters or followed by MiB no funny
enough. No, it was some. There was no activity with the people,
the people at the lady and the staff. They said, oh,
it's it tends to be, they said, it tends to be in the
middle of the week you get more activity. Probably they have weekends off in
there and things like that. Who knows by you know, by next year
and everything's disclosed and they'll be doing like a UFO flights around area fifty more
bludy. You know, well, ideally that will be like what I like
that, I'd certainly go there. Definitely, definitely definitely been a cool idea,
right, I think we'll take a break here on the Paranormal Peep Show.
We're talking to Gary Robinson and Ben Emmonon Jones and yours are Andrew Chaplin
and Neil Ward. And it's the Paranormal Peep Show on the Paranormal UK Radio
Network. Stay tuned for part two. The Day's the Best Day Mad Life
listening to the Parmal UK readio Network. Join Andrew o'leial every month on the
Paranoral peep Shows, part of the Paranoral UK Radio Network for fun that frolics
and lots of information about weird stuff UFOs, ghosts and things that go bump
in the night and everything associated with them. Fascinating guests, fascinating talk,
fascinating information. Hello and welcome back to Pyongyang's Paranormal Christmas Northcore in special massive
hashtag, Thanks everyone for coming along, and clown horn for Joe Biden and
all the wakes. We now have somebody else joining us from another North Korean
special and that is Philip Kinsella. I can ever tell Philip and Ronnie apart.
But I think I think we've got We've got Philip, isn't it?
It's not? Is it Ronnie? Yeah? You could call me Philip or
Ronnie because my grandad did. In fact, most people do. So is
it Ronnie not Phillip? Is Ronnie? Yeah? It's okay, we tweets.
That's a great start. So so it is confusing because he's coming up
on skypers Philip. Why he's getting confused? The little name here, says
Philip. Yeah, okay, so Philip, he's got a bad vote or
something, isn't he? Yeah, it's on very well, he's came down
with it last night, so apologize for that, but I can sell him
for both. Well, send him our best wishes for us speedy recovery.
Thank you. I will indeed give him a hashtag potato and see if that
helps a couple of mons of really well, Ronnie. So we were just
chatting in part one with with Gary, who's here, and Gary's currently in
Hail Hampstead. He also lives out in Mexico. So we've been talking about
the Mexican alien mummies and Ben's also just been raveling everywhere over the past year,
and he's most recent trip has been too Las Vegas, so we've been
chatting about his visit to the Little Alien. Wow. So we were also
chatting before we started the show that we both Ben and I recall seeing you
and Philip on this documentary on the Amazon Prime, the Biological connect Connection.
That's right, Yeah, Wow, that pretty cool. Yeah, I think
they did that. They recorded that sometime last year, I think it was
last year, and we went to a studio and it was mainly about what
I'd seen with our grandmother back in the eighties, the silver sphere, which
well, we were again talking about that in part one because Gary, with
his own grandmother saw a sphere. Did you just want to recount that for
the benefit of rolly Gary, because I thought it was very interesting. There
was a parallel because you saw a sphere with your grandmother and I saw it.
Happened to mention to Gary in part one about yours and Phillips. Yeah,
this one was at Errol Epstein, Ronnie, I don't know where you're
boats, but basically in my old townhouse, head of from the top four
and it's this spear coming from say that the direction of lufter very slowly straight
line. The speed wasn't altering, so it's very constant. It was literally
just above the rooftop and you could see it was solid kind of carbon fiber
and color, and it didn't have any blemishes, but you could tell that
it was kind of rotating a bit. And that I called my grandfather up
because she'd had some recent UFO sides during the day wid our work. Thinks
that we just could explain. So I called up to see this thing,
and we actually followed it as a cross over the roof of the house.
I watched it float out towards through an airport. Wow, how big was
this? How big was it was? About? Well, I would say,
just a little order right interesting? And it was silver, yeah,
silver, silvery, silvery carbon primary, kind of hard to look down.
That was the impression I got. I remembered your story from hearing it on
our upper show, So yeah, that's yeah, Saturday. More honest.
The the the traits of it more or less identical to the one we saw.
I didn't notice it revolving this one, and we just like it was
made of titanium or something, but it was less exactly what you're saying.
It was about the size of a football. It was nice and eighty two,
So it's a long time a film. My goodness. They're still around.
Well we know that because they are regularly reported throughout as spares. The
fact is, I wonder if they are or they were the Foo fighters they've
been recorded because these were not luminous Yours, Gary and ours were not luminous.
Could it be attributed to the fact that they are sort of like more
or less not stationary, but they're not flying at an incredible speed, or
whether the light around them has something to do whether it's fascinating. But I
refer to it as an electronic eye. I've always made it quite clear they
may be observed, observe observers. I had one sarcastic comment from a leading
your follow just I was quite surprised. Sadly he's no longer with us,
But when I mentioned about the electronic he said, didn't have eyelashes, and
I thought, you will wore people. You were wore people, and I
thought would have taken this seriously. Perhaps he looked upon me as some twat,
But this did happen, and it was very haunting. And so this
is interesting with your own grandmother. You saw this over the roof. This
is fascinating, and this was not wrong. I spent the day watching a
what she called a screen of rainbow light outside the window of our house.
Hamil enter did or by the time I got iron from working a lot she
told me she was five minutes recorded the police. I could watch it,
Yes she was. She wasn't in to those kinds of subjects whenever, obviously
never found out what it was. We were chatting earlier and he was asking
that a sawyer. We yelled ables that area, that word from anyone,
but yeah, someone I know, who's should I say? In authority told
me in regards to the stars, that they know where to go to see
that they know about them, but they don't know what they are. Yes
in in in relationship. Grandma ours was unphased. She was psychic, and
she said something very strange. It was right above her head. It was
just it moved towards us, and then it stopped solid just above her head,
and she just said, oh, look, the fairies had come to
take it close A lot more we knew that wasn't fair. Sample sized staring
from doctor who so back then, you know, so that's a very interesting
thank you for sharingly said that about it being an eye though, because I
also got a not like being watched, but I can't quite predict it as
if it was observing the c Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the same
time, it felt electronic like what Ronnie said, It didn't feel like a
coup. Organic consciousness technology. Yes, some kind of technology. You know.
When you talked about the through fighters and they're typically glowing red or orange,
it just made me wonderful the fact that, you know, is there
a nighttime bombing raids. Maybe during the night they glow a different color or
something, you know, maybe they wanted to be c you know, during
the night. Yeah, it's quite evident that. I mean. The nasty
thing about this phenomena is is that you're always, as you garrit with your
grandma, there's very few people around you, so testimony it's quite weak.
You know, it comes from you, unless you're on an airline pilot or
part of the military or any kind of official I mean, some people do
actually appreciate the fact that it may have happened, but then they will attribute
it to perhaps it was this, or it was that someone asked me with
this spear. You know, did the insects go quiet? I can't remember.
I don't remember that at all. You know, didn't all go crush
it? You can't. I mean, it was so long ago. There
are certain things you will recall which are quite prevalent at the time of the
encounter. But yeah, very strange. Did you ever speak any more about
that encounter be your grandmother? Like years later on? It didn't bring it
up again. Nothing. It wasn't dispelled at the time, but it wasn't
spoken with. It wasn't that we were told not to speak about it.
It was just the dumb thing. You just don't mention things like that to
people because we knew even then the press, the media at the time,
the papers of the news that they found upon it or made it appear as
an absolute joke even at school. You know, I didn't tell I don't
think I've told anyone. We just kept like a haunting secret until much later
when it was coming out the internet. That's one thing is done. And
it can be cruel and it can be kind, but there's one it's done.
It's brought people closer together with this paranormal subject, and that is a
wonderful thing because we are all bought together. It's opened it up and it's
become more acceptable, I would say, more acceptable now than it ever has,
because people are beginning to realize that there is something strange going on.
People ask seeing things. Yes, you get the people who hoax it,
you get those who elaborate, you get those who make an absolute tom full
of their whole thing, you know. But there are those who will report
what they see, and if they're honest and full of integrity, that's a
good thing. Mmm. I think is the case of who cares what people
think? Well, yeah, Sami, the fact of it being silenced,
and they have continually doing this, they continue to doing it, even with
the grush the Senate, you know, the board there. They're trying to
open up the floodgates for this, which I believed did happen. I believe
they do have down crafts. I do believe there are down crafts, and
there are bodies, absolutely, But the point is is that by the time
they actually get to that point they would have meant them. They could easily
just move all equipment, all technology, all remnants of the bodies of the
pilots. They will have them. They're never We're never going to see them.
They're never going to admit it. They will not. We go around
in circles. I admire them for trying. I absolutely admid Rush for trying.
I don't know him, he seems credible in that. When I saw
him, as we all did on TV, you know, pushing for disclosure,
I just knew, No, there's no way they're going to it.
But they have those pilots. They have those pilots, and they have the
remnants of their technology. And this is greater than the Crown Jewels, the
greatest seeing this earth has ever known. And they the most annoying thing is
they are not going to disc close it because it's power, its powers,
what they can glean from this technology, if it's if they are able to
discern what exactly it is, because I find it very This is what this
is what troubles me about this tech, right, This is what really really
pushes the boat is the fact you have people clouds ats, say Andrew Clowns
that that are willing to state and I'm going to I'm not going to treasonly
toe saim because you know, it's a very fragile subject. Even aside religion.
You've got to tread carefully this world. I'm fed up with it.
They stay that they've they've they've back engineered it. They can create these t
r things and they're flying around that. Don't believe it because the technology from
another real or dimension or outer space will be so incredibly, fantastically different we
could possibly know. It's like trying to a cave man trying to understand the
workings of a transistor way. Yeah. Notice respect to humanity, we are
clever, and they go or they have this nuclear fusion that powers it and
a few number of what they've got five optics, was levitating pressing. You
know, why would they so freely broadcast their super secret weapons in public or
you know, it doesn't make any sense hovering them over churches inf out the
people. Why would they do it? They wouldn't they would. They have
their military very smart. I'm not doubting they have super secret, amazing technology,
but things like this now not yet. Well, there's been reports of
very very near misses with at least I can't let the exact numbers. I'm
like fifteen cases reported at least with US military aircraft, and they've had near
misses with these UFOs, and so the point made by one of the senators,
I forget which one it was said, if you know, if there
are our own crafts or top secret technology, what are they doing having irresponsible
near missus with their own side? If you like, you know, which
is a good point. You know, I'm not knocking the military. They
are incredible. They have some amazing technology. But when you're talking about these
crafts that if I gravity. I've seen one of these trianglar ships. I've
seen one only once. I can't believe it. This I knew when I
looked at it. This is not military. This is not military. Was
what was the situation when you saw this triagonal craft? Runny? I had
come out for a cigarette then I smoked them. I don't anymore have a
vapor. I've given up smoke and I don't drink, so I would I
didn't even drink then, and I went out and this thing crossed over the
sky and when I looked at it, it was gigantic, it was huge.
What was interesting. And I spoke about this at Ben's talk. He
kindly invited Philipp myself to to do a talk. I'm sure I mentioned this
dream of sources. That's right, was that when it passed over. Now
I knew of the in the nineties of the Belgium UFA Wave. I knew
all about that. I had a mild interest in it. It's when the
likes of Robert Stack did unsolved mysteries. You know. He was wonderful exact
yr old granddad and he his elder granddad coming to present behind soft mysteries.
And I knew of them in the nineties. But it's strange, isn't it
that I think it was twenty and ten. I think it was twenty ten
August. It was August because it was my mother's birthday that weekend. I
knew that quite poignant that he crossed over. No, what was interesting,
And I don't know if I was the first to report this afterwards in the
book I had published, Twin Souls by Campbell Bann. It didn't last long
the print on. I don't think it did very well. It was my
first attempt coming up with it. But it was fat, it was huge.
It was fat. Also, the corners were rounded. They were not
sharp as like in Robert Stack Wonderful rober Stack is documentary. They did they
were very sharp when I looked at the belly of it, I could only
see the side in the belly and the rears it was moving over. There
was nothing discernible. It was as if it had been molded. The whole
thing was beautifully molded. It was fat, very fat, and round it
and it just shovel the speed of a plane. It didn't make any noise,
was no vibration. I know there was no vibration, nothing. But
what was interesting. It wasn't then that I gauged it, but I knew
that where we were there were a lot of birds, what birds or everywhere?
Al was flitting about all over the place. When this thing passed was
nothing And it was then and people said, well, why didn't you want
and then get your mobile phone? You're not thinking that I'm not going to
score point by capturing a picture of it just to satisfy the whims of these
people, or terri it to pieces and say cgi, I saw it,
and I this is what this is? That that very thing. I can't
tell you what it was. I couldn't tell you what it was, but
it looked like it would be molded, shiny black. What was interesting Along
the side of it, there were blacko from Ridges. A ridge along the
side of the craft, but nothing on the back. I couldn't see the
front. The belly had nothing but smooth, just as if it been molded.
And this was in twenty ten, and I thought, damn see.
But you know, you can tell people until you blew in their face and
there will state that it's a chitles and drone. It's a military piece of
hardware. And but that was massive, the size of a battleship, quite
easily, quite easy. I'm a jaw was on the floor. I just
looked at it and I thought, thinking, is this what I am seeing?
I haven't seen one since it That's very That's a good question. I'm
not exactly sure. There was nothing to gauge the size of it, but
it was huge. I could not gauge the size of it because there's nothing
to compare it with the roots of the house. It was above them,
so I had nothing to give some kind of compacion. And I'm honest,
but it was gigantic to me. It was. It's interesting because you're you're
in Bedfordshire, so you're know million miles from Luton Airport, are you?
So I'm presuming that Luton airport radar systems and Luton Airport traffic. Presumably they
must have given off some sort of radar signature. I'm presuming they must have
been it must have picked out, yes, yea, unless this defies it,
but I doubt that. I'm not gonna bring them up to bother because
it was at this time when we had been attacked in the papers. I
think they had done a review of about something Philip had experienced years ago,
and it was disgusting, and I thought, I'm not going to pursue it,
because even if you did us and they're deny, it got no blips
on the Earth Star. I think, well, when you're talking about they
do it to the pilot's a commercial online pilots with their even and actually admitted.
They admit it, haven't they that they were warned if they saw anything
that they were not to speak of it. It was fast, of course,
but they were not to speak about it. It does a surprise,
it doesn't. And I saw one of them and I don't know what it
was, but I kept thinking, my god, that technology, if we
had that, we could go to Mars in little or no effort. Elon
Mus wouldn't have to uh, build his rockets everything like that. They can
defy gravity. It looked heavy. The one thing that I did realize is
that it looks so heavy like steel. But I kept thinking, how could
it just hang as light as a feather, you know, how can it
just how could it? How could it just float like that? There's their
engine, it's no discernible engine stuff. It was no smoke vibration they have
it. Hmm. Did do you get any strange odds? Factor said?
You said you couldn't hear the birds. I mean, that's kind of interesting
because someone's else asking if you heard the insects when you saw the Yeah,
but you couldn't hear the birds when you see the birds. I couldn't see
right, there's birds everywhere. They're all over there there. They're a bit
pesky. But no, there were no birds. No, I didn't have
anything else. There's no feeling from it. Nothing, There was nothing nothing.
Do you think you were meant to see it in some way? Or
is it an accidental sighting? I don't know. That's strange, isn't it.
That's what we're looking into, you know. I didn't ask what do
they call those things? I've forgotten when you wish to see something can happen.
It happens to see see a close encounter. Yes, kind, it's
kind, isn't it? Where you have lon tact, you have intent to
see UFO. What did they called the man career thing? Yeah? And
you would know this, Ben, Yeah, the manifestation. It's a CE
five, that's it, manifestations, human initiated contact. He has different way.
Yeah, yeah, I know nothing, nothing, No, it's had
nothing. I don't know why. I don't know. I'm not special.
I don't know why. But that that's that propelled me to write the book
because I'd had enough. I'd said enough, you know, and I knew
my reputation would be at stake, but I didn't care anymore. I think
it reached a point there where you're bother what people think. I've been called
everything. I know. I have been stabbed in the back, you know,
they laugh behind your back, you know, but I don't care because
I've seen them. Yeah, there's something fascinating about it, yeah, Ben,
So you want to interject there, Yeah, just to order to comment
on something that Ronnie said on the subject toll from the secret space program and
what the covert military technology exists, and what it has now, it's actually
it's actually quite There are quite a number of upologists now who are simply throwing
their hands up and saying, well, there are no aliens, it's all
secret technology. And I think these are a lot of them people, really
you should know better, and I think they're mistaken for two reasons. One
of them is because of what Ronnie has said, well the reason Ronnie just
gave, but also the antiquity of the phenomenon. It predates not only predates
the invention of conventional aircraft, it pre dates history, and we have what
you call contact experiences and sightings and close encounters are recorded in ancient mythology and
in which these basically stories have been handed down before the written word came along
or written records didn't survive. Also in a very ancient art on cave paintings
and places like that, especially in Australia and Southern Africa, there seems to
be a lot large number what you say, disc shaped objects very much like
the objects we see and indeed alien extraterrestrial beings of the type that we might
be familiar with in modern euthology. Now, so that we are being interacted
with by non human intelligence. There's absolutely no doubt about it. There is
another very fashionable idea these days, which is that aliens don't exist, but
they are somehow being used to cover up the fact that we have anti gravity
and free energy technology, which again makes no sense at all because it's drawing
someone's attention towards something with the ultimate objective of deflecting it away, which could
backfire in a number of ways. Just imagine our bank robber who stole some
money and then he went and buried it in the woods. But every time
a policeman walk party said, mister policeman over here, Hello, hello,
Yes, there's no stolen money here, all right, just some unicorn bones.
Yeah, on, you go on, have a nice day. That
of course, that that money would be fair very quickly. The burder will
be arrested very quickly. So what I thought, what I think we're look
at that this idea, what the CIA invented UFOs is it's some kind of
it's concocted in neo mythology to cover up their spyplanes. I think we looking
at an elaborate double bluff. There are aliens and this story that the CIA
invented the non aliens things to cover it up is actually part of the cover
up if you unpick that. Yeah, well, there were kind of reports
where I think sometimes the CIA or the you know, the US airports preferred
you to think that when you'd seen their YOU two spyplane or wherever it may
be, as are seventy one, if you'd seen it fly over a fast
speed, they would prefer you to think it was a UFO of some sort
flying triangle or wherever it may be, simply because they didn't want you to
see their technology. But I think they, like you say, using the
the UFO phenomena as to their advantage. So as it's it doesn't quite make
sense though, Neil, because I mean, although they have said that,
and indeed there's some documents any Jacobson's talked a lot about this. They anything
that draws attention towards their their project, anything at all which could cause more
people to come and look at it, will it would actually jeopardize the seat
pursue of that project. It's far more likely. I mean, if I
was running, I say, I've started developing the U two spy playing and
someone said, liber I saw this flying saucer, go over my head.
I would just say they just don't say anything about it, all right,
just because keep it quiet. Just don't say anything. I wouldn't. I
would just say no more than that, because if you say, if they
if they say I saw the flying saucer, I'm going to go. I
better go and tell the newspapers. I've better go and tell my grandmother.
I bet go and tell everyone I said this flying saucer. You're going to
get a little he loads of robot X in that area with binoculars, and
indeed, before long, someone's going to come along who will recognize it as
something that's not a flying saucer. It is actually a very very sophisticated spy
playing a high our record break in high hout to choot jets. And you
see, this is why I think that's this is why I think it's a
double bluff by mmm. Now, Rollie. So you've appeared on this documentary
The Biological Connection. Obviously these are more enlightening times. And it was back
in twenty ten when you saw your flying triangle, and now people are more
kind of hopefully for giving and open to the idea of this phenomena. Because
light you got grush and they're talking about it in the Senate and Mexico as
well. You do you think that you know, like, did you get
good feedback on your production that you took part in. I have made it
a rule to never look at reviews anymore. I'm not interested in the reviews.
And that sounds rather arrogant, perhaps a little pump But the reason being
is that my book The Digital Demon, that I had published has been attacked
by people because I go wore down towards I lean towards the darker aspects of
the UFOs, so I didn't take any note of it. I think they
deal with that. I don't know where the reviews are. I just wish,
like us here to tell the truth. But you are attacked for even
doing that. And we have to have strong backbones in this subject because it
is a very nasty stake pit it can be. I've noticed that, and
I've come across it as well. I've been attacked. I think most of
us are opinions. I respect everyone's opinion. If they wish to believe something,
that's fine, but when they attack others, it's not good. They
will just leave it. You know. It's a point I'm made that as
I researched this, because I have seen them. I don't believe they are
exactly as they appear to be. I think, in some manner of ways
is who are being deceived by them. The fact of when we look back
at the nineteen fifties when it was very fashionable, the likes of Damski,
who was purported to be a regular contact tee for these beautiful aliens, the
points I mean, we couldn't see it at the time. I wasn't even
born then, But when you look back at this, there's a pattern that
begins to unfold. It's the fact that you know then the aliens were allegically
if you told, see them and many other people with other other encounters being
told even long after about the concerns for atomic warfare then basically nuclear war.
And the thing is is that they were taking these people up and voicing their
concerns and absolutely nothing happened. We see this shift from the atomic to the
nuclear to the environmental issues, which was popular in the nineties. It was
the Grays as a refer to, were informing people of their concerns for the
environment, and again they did think absolutely nothing. And then The trouble with
this subject is you have you have a number of people moving more towards the
hybrid program, where you know it's very it was very in vogue for the
women to go on board and the spurnstyle paws and hybrid's being born by them,
and you even have people coming along stating that they are hybrids. Well,
I would find it very irresponsible and very untactful of the Grays to inform
their genetic offspring that they are part of their program. They wouldn't do it.
I would have thought that'd be very much smarter than that to actually inform
the people here we are, you're you're part of our progeny. Your offspring
going to other people. But for unless, of course, there's another deception.
So is deception after deception after deception. And it's bad enough with the
aliens what they're speeding out. One minute, they're showing people the destruction of
Earth. It seems that destruction is paramount with them for pain the end of
the world. And then you have the other side of the coin where they're
building this genetic army of people that others think this is going to be the
offspring that will colonize the world. I don't believe any of it. I
think we are being forced to look at certain angles because Ben Rightley said,
when you cannot look ahead and see what they're truly doing, whatever they are,
there's something always look the other way, Always the other way. Oh
look at don't live. Yes, the tessities are so mixed and heated and
varied, but you don't look at any of that, because you begin to
form this is the achilles hell, this is their weakness. Because you discover
that as you accumulate this wealth of data from people relating to you know,
destruction, hatred, love, or the regeneration of a new species, you
begin to see the cracks four because this is an absolute deception. So what
are they hiding? What exactly are they or what are they hiding? And
to your muddy they call you. Further is we have these fossilized craft,
the remnants of them, with the dead pilots, and again we could question
why were they left, why were they picked up by their own kind?
Why would they leave this super secret tech in the hands of worn mongering creatures
as us such as us I actually published it. I hope it was revolutionary
at time. In digital demo where I get thinking. Let's take the Rosbell
crash for example. Now I believe I believe that happened. You have people
stating on there that the chief is it didn't truth. They don't have proof,
but through the narratives at the time you can see they blatantly lied.
So something very exotic crash handed there. I suggested it. Could it have
been in my book a trojan horse? That that? And this was at
a time when there were a number of crashes throughout the world. But the
pilots and the ships had to a bit different. They had to look different
so as not to raise suspicious song of suspicion. Sorry that the same species
have the same problem quite haphazardly blocking back a number of bunk wises and smashing
on Earth. You know, so they had to look different. Is that
a possibility. I'm not saying it is. But if it was a trojan
horse, were they dropping? Is it technology? There? Again, we
suggested that it would be quite impossible for us at this time to decipher that
any kind of engineering for another world. I think we're being dooped, dude,
What do you do? So do you think the duping is more from
the ets or from our own government or bo it's from them, But why
I don't know. But I have a theory, but it doesn't. There's
still a lot more research to be done into it. But what I will
say is that it's fascinating. I am not right, because any one of
us could be right or wrong about it. I accept that you see these
things, like theories you come out with, you are attacked. Even with
them online. You know, you can come up with a hundred different pointers
about what these things are and what they're doing, and they are real.
This is something that's happening. This is reality. The point is that the
crash technology was not rescued. I find that hard to believe because even if
the ship was, all the ships and the pilots were destroyed, beyond all
hope of sending off some kind of distress beacon or anything, the labs in
time would have certainly called for help, especially on this world. So it
just it's like being like sheelanck Combs, if I can said that respectfully.
You look at it, You look at the picture and it's like a jeepsaw
puzzle transport pieces of it together. It doesn't make sense, I know,
but some of it does. You know, the men and the men in
black. You know, they were very popular in the fifties and sixties,
weren't they. I believe this is part of the phenomena. Briefly, what's
your current theory. I'm not going to give that out yet, because that
is I'm not going to give that out because that hasn't been publisher. I've
just finished a new book and I come up with a number of theories on
it. It's not to state that I'm a guru of some kind of new,
astonishing, you know, revelation. I'm not. It's just what I
privately have discovered about it, and of course I could be wrong, but
there's something very dark about this. This is another prop about it is that
you have the people that, Okay, look I'm going to assault a few
people here, but I'm going to say, believe in a federation. There
is no absolutely no evidence of federation. They've done nothing, and it will
continue on and on that they will do absolutely nothing. All they're coming,
They're coming, They're always coming. You know, they're proclaiming their concerns from
the nineteen fifties and what's happened. Absolutely nothing. I mentioned this is in
a differents demon. I'm going to use the word. They've done absolutely bugger
all and we've got nothing. We've got nothing. We are left with absolutely
virtually no proof. So we are ending up by this on these programs,
which I think is wonderful because it brings wonderful like minded gentlemen's yourselves together,
you know, to try and find out what exactly is going on. Now,
there is something with us, so there's something able, it's absolutely certain,
but it's very strenge. So there's there's space scammers in a sense.
We were talking about being scammed by people in Las Vegas, and you've got
to watch your back. And I think you've got to watch your back from
the aliens and EAT's and things. By the sounds of things. I mean,
it's interesting that they're suppose you so will kind of imply this idea of
caring for the environment whilst crashing. Their sources are making them a massive mess
everywhere every time they crash, and they don't even bother tidying it up.
You know, it's a bit of a contradiction really, But what are your
thoughts on it? You know, what are your thoughts about the the Senate?
What do you think, Well, well, Ben, you I'm also
saying, you know better than anyone. I think. Oh, this is
just a bit of a speciality in mind, have been really sort of,
I suppose, obsessed with this whole thing lately. Well, what's what Ronnie
was saying about the crash atrieval issue. A lot of what he said is
actually quite new information to me, and these presented a view on the topic
that I hadn't really considered before. But I do certainly know that there were
a lot of the ideas they just come here and they crash accidentally and things
like that. That doesn't quite fit because, for example, some of these
craft are found intact and just left there. It's without any occupants. They
just parked basically with the doors open and the keys in ignition or the equivalent
that's to wash it for And that's maybe, well, this is a thing.
I mean, who knows, I mean, I don't. I think
maybe we're in a position where we're all speculating, trying to anthropomorphize these these
beings, which really we're trying to put ourselves in their shoes, which is
not possible even if they have two feet, we can't. And maybe it's
just best to wait and try and seem until we get a bit more information
before each side completely. Now, as for the hearings, now, unlike
Ronnie, I think it's possible that we may get somewhere with these. Now,
this doesn't mean that, of course, there are elements within the government
still at large. You want this truth and bugo to continue, and they
want to stamp on it for all the reasons that Ronnie said. However,
I don't believe even for put it this way, I'm not convinced that those
people have a monopoly of power anymore. I think that ever since twenty sixteen,
there has been something of a breakdown in the control of the deep state
or Illuminati or cabal or whatever you want to call it. There has been
a weakening of their position. I think certain things happen under the world of
politics at that time, which indicates I would say, a complete, a
complete suspension of communications from that from that particular lead to the political structures of
this world. Now we could I think possibly the UFO issue has been a
part of that. Hence a year later you get like the New York Times
are gone, things like that. I mean, I know a lot of
people saying, but Ben, it's just a deeper part of the conspiracy.
It's a double bloff, you know, it's another double bluff. It's just
that no one has really provided a really comprehensive reason about what if it's a
disinformation, what exactly are they trying to disinform us with? And so I
remain cautiously optimistic. But of course I'm on my guard as well, because
you have to be, don't you. Yeah, I think that's a nice
touch, Ben, I think, you know, if it can reveal something,
if the powers are weakening, this certainly is troubled now because I even
certainly from the political and the the disgraceful news media that has been lined on
the backs of the teeth. We all know that they've been lined to the
backs of the teeth is cracking, it's crumbling. They're getting just what you
see. So what you state is a little bit perhaps of hope, and
I would hope. You know, how incredible would that be? This is
this disgraceful thing about them. The hell do they think they are? They
think they have ownership of those things when it is a global matter, it's
nothing to do with them. But of course then you will have the bickering
from other countries to see. This is the n if I stay be living
where you know, they'll all want part of this technology or they feel it's
that goods. Why didn't we crash here? Why didn't you crash there?
We have rights over that it is crashed, is crashed on earth. It
belongs to all of us. But no it won't because it will belong to
the state where it landed. That's unfortunate for the aliens, I suppose,
you know. But the point is is that it will open up a kind
of once but at the same token, just to seed and the pilots.
I know they're gone, you know, remnants of them, but what they
look like are their ships. I have heard, yes, you're right,
I haven't heard that some ships have just been met up just and that's suspicious.
That is really weird, isn't it. They didn't keep an eye on
the fuel gauge and they've gone up that it can to the nearest garage.
I did hear that from them as well. It's from the actual man himself.
Yeah, it's very bissa. It's in fact, it adds more intrigue
to it because you think, what the hell is going on, you know,
and what do they look like. We have a description which is very
common place with basically similar to the grays. But he mentioned a number of
species, so I wonder what the others might well, we're looking like.
You know, It's just curiosity, isn't it. It's always an interesting thing
when you go back to the earlier reports. I mean, obviously in more
recent years there's people that have been taken aboard and messed about with and things
like that. But if you go back to the earlier reports of when they've
encountered these crafts, they've always seem to land and some person gets out,
more typically a human, but sometimes grace. They always seem to be tinkering
with their craft, trying to repair it or something, and they just happened
to have been sighted being a pair in the craft, you know, space
spanner or something. I think there's like an intergalect breakdown service out there,
so alien and the monogers or something you know that you're referring to. I'd
gather the eighteen hundred to late eighteen hundred airship there's some of those, and
also in the more it's what John Kill reports where he's gathered a number of
reports and again Interestingly enough, he's got his book Operation Trojan Horse, and
he suspects pretty much on the similar lines to you, only with you know,
they they throw a psychic event out there, like a sasquatch or something,
and everyone goes running to look for the sasquatch. Meanwhile, these craft
are landing and they're doing whatever they want to do, and everyone's focusing on
the sasquatch. And it's a bit we're coming back to the magician thing here
that we spoke about in part one with Andy is is look at this hand
and we'll keep you entertained with this hand. The other hand, they're doing
their slighter hand, whatever it may be. Whatever they're doing still in our
resources or whatever it is space pirates. I don't know ethically, that just
comments on the subject of the craft landing and belonging to the state where it
lands. This does seem to be the case with some countries. So basically
the craft land I mean, the UFO phenomena is global, and this includes
crash betrievals and physical evidence to sisive physical evidence. Now, some nations will
indeed deal with this themselves. Russia China will are particularly notorious in being very
very having their own program and being very possessive over the material that does land
on their territory. However, there does seem to be some kind of global
policy in place in which many nations of the world, probably the majority,
will cooperate with the United States. The United States, for whatever reason,
is the center of this particular secrecy. And maybe because the US did lead
the world for forty years during the Cold War, that could be why this
has happened. And this is primarily a post World War II phenomenon, the
little array of crash retrievals, but so other other nations won't. Other nations
do, But it seems like countries like Brazil, for example, was very
Brazil immediately complied with this global policy. The Americans immediately got to get involved
with things like the Virginia incident for example. Yes, you know that was
fascinating, Jeff, So I cover that in my new book, that that
I had some kind systems from James Fox, who produced the documentary on that.
I believe that did happen. Yes, was very strange, was very,
very very that's a good the good film Fox made actually Moment of Contact.
Yes, And on the subject of the the alien sort of fixing the
spaceship. But I've said that the Timothy Good reports on a lot of these
instances, especially Duly. I say, during the fifties and sixties there were
a lot of these. Some of them I think probably are some kind of
spacecraft, some kind of aircraft or spacecraft, and the people tinkering with them
are you real humans. There's an instant I think which in which a tear
drop shaped craft came and landed by a road I can't remember. It was,
I think somewhere in the US, and a car drove up to it,
and they saw some guys in overalls with like US Air Force uniforms,
like opening up the bonnet and sticking spanners in and stuff like that. That
doesn't explain all these instances by any means. There are some that you're far
more bizarre. But can I just say an interesting point with the lifting up
the bonnet of your flying saucer. If you typically think of a pilot,
you know, airline pilot or a small lightweight plane pilot. We know a
few people. You don't necessarily see a plane land on the m one or
something, or in a field and the pilot jumps out and tinkers with the
propeller or tie it's a spanner on one of the jet engines, or pumps
the tire up and then jumps back in it and flies are because typically the
pilots maybe it's just the way there are, but the pilots the fly these
plans aren't the engineers. They have engineers back at base that deal with all
the mechanics of support network for these crafts. So, you know, it
just seems kind of weird that you've got these flying sources landing and they always
seem to have faults with them, but that you know, obviously they can't
trust their own craft really because they're crashing all the time. But also the
pilots have got to be responsible. They're on a mission and they're the ones
that have got to get out and fix the bloody thing. You know that
they haven't brought mister Scott with them to fix it or anything like that.
You know, it's the Star Trek. They've got to be an engineer and
a space pilot and a peace goodwill vulcan at the same time. Well,
you're getting Morris minors in rolls Royces. Perhaps they need to go into a
better settter you know. Yeah, yeah, right, Well we're drawing to
a close here, so before we get to our clothes, I'd just like
to do a little bit of a round robin and find out what everyone's got
planned end for in twenty twenty four, as it's our Christmas show. We've
all had a very interesting enlightening year. Can I start with Gary? Gary,
obviously you're in the UK at the minute. You're going to be heading
back to Mexico maybe in the new year. So what plans have you got
next year? Well, since I'm not actually a UFO rioter or speaker,
I'll be getting back to work or able visiting your production head. I don't
everyone knows this by workers and music producers, so but myself if step by
client, but I shall be Yeah, I should run the pulse of the
the We' sing and will you be doing some Iowaska, Yeah, I will
be back to the Iowa. I think that you said the last time.
I suppose that you was going to try a little bit more and go on
a kind of a bit of a journey with it microados years, but I
actually going for the full before syrap get back. Wow. Yeah, obviously
there's the whole issue with the kids to speak about the shared uifor experiences wid
it for a couple of years now and they have shared your experiences on a
regular basis where they basically described the same craft. So everyone seeing the same
fit already wants the oscar it is, you know, the system. So
once everything around that starts to change, then they all see it exactas and
all these people are in the same room together. Well, but what they
do is it's always an outdoor syrup start, yeah, rather than being like
an enclosed environment. But they're seeing a lot of strange stuff along the lines
of the kind of things that all clear reports like our craft that seem to
be movie or warthy you can't quite get a handle of, like physicality,
Yeah, what's atingly going on? They describe the same thing. And of
course there's an issue where a lot of the people the next day and when
they share their finding, they said that they were told the influence of Awasca
that they were in fact extraterrestrial, will be having an earthly experience for one
carnation on so that they e should make the most of you know, their
tie on Earth interesting. They're once shot, so there's a definite UFO connection
with Oh, well, well come back and tell us how you go on
and be interested to find out if you get any shared experiences of UFOs or
ets or anything like that, and yeah, yeah, and you can be
a man in Mexico, you know, get get some insights into these alien
mummies if you can and hike down be and find the truth of it.
I won't be avoiding Mexico. And Ben, what will you be doing for
next year? Is a year ahead? I think, oh, almost certainly.
And if if the pace of a change continues as it has done,
yes, I'll be continue to do what I'm doing right now, which is
a continue to spread information about this. This is the remarkable things that are
happening in the world from my own perspective, in the hope that I can
add energy to this information war and the increase in in towards the critical mass
of awareness so that more and more people will know about it to the point
where it'll become common knowledge everywhere, and that's when the world changes. I
will be going to more conferences, I hope, at some points, maybe
doing maybe going on another field research trip. I don't think I'll be going
back to the isle of man, But I may get the chance to do
other things. And I'm also going to keep writing and may be to rights
some more fiction actually, because I've been writing an online serial and I've been
trying to convert one of my short stories into a stage play things like that,
so I hope to get on with that as well. So that'd I've
made for early next year, I'll have hopefully a stage play, which would
be nice, excellent, excellent. And Ronnie, what's your plans? I
mean, you're writing your book any other things in the pipeline as well?
Well? That one took me two years only to have a break. So
I was just thinking, all of us here, Gary, Neil, Ben,
Andrew and me, we're all artistic. It's funny, isn't it how
this thing affects artistic people. Yeah, So what I'll be what I'll be
doing is I think I want to go back to all my crylic painting,
so I might give the writing or break. There is a science fiction novella
i'd been working on. But you see, they take you years. I
mean, I don't know how long it takes Ben to night his books,
but it takes me quite a few years. You know. It's quite a
long and you're being an author yourself now, you know you you publish on
it just takes ages. So I'm going to have a break, a little
break, I think, do a bit more painting, I think, And
it's always hard to juggle. I mean, i'm painting this at the moment.
I'll show you this. As we been talking about painting, I see
that. Oh wow, yeah, Rado, you see that's I mean,
the white faces is because they hadn't been painted in yet. But that is
actually a scene from the film. What's the film now, Dawn of the
Dead? Oh, zombies and zombie moving. So that's something that Monitor and
I are painting, co painting together. So I'll probably do a bit more
of that tomorrow. But it's a tricky thing to juggle painting. And I'm
writing the book. As you mentioned, I've got this book book Deals.
So my book will be out next year under a different title, and I'll
tell people about that when it's closer to the release time. So I've been
writing the book for the past three years, again done in my spare time,
but now I'm focusing it more heavily. So I'm taking the actual original
draft and reshaping it and swapping the chapters around and things like that. So
that would be out next year. Andy, what will you be planning for
next year? Probably just a more event and an expansion of tuning events and
going from there. Really cool. Okay, so everyone's got a busy year
ahead. And Ben, will we have disclosure in twenty twenty four? Oh?
Everyone asked me that, and the answer is, as always, I
hope. So I think there's actually probably a better chance next year than any
other year in the past. It doesn't mean it will definitely happen, but
I mean I've been I've been focusing a lot on this particular subgtion. I'd
say probably if I had to put money on it, yeah, I would
put a bet on. In fact, I have a bet on eight and
like we'll be discovered within the next five years. Really, And I bought
a tenor at William Hill. I actually got fifty to one when I'd put
it on, so I get a five hundred pounds if I win. So
that's reason enough, I think. And I've put a couple of years ago,
so I think it's only two years left. So that's reasoning enough,
isn't it. Well? Good luck with everyone's projects, and just want to
take this opportunity to thank everybody for taking part in this Zevening show, the
Paranormal Peak Show, the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the Christmas special, So
thank you very much indeed to Gary Robinson, thank you, thank you Ben
for taking part, and thank you Ronnie and please send our best wishes to
fill it and thanks to Andy and it's thanks to you for watching. So
thank you very much indeed for all your watching and listening of our shows.
And have a great Christmas and wishing everybody the best for twenty twenty four.
This is Neil and the rest of the gang on the paranorm with Beep show.
Good Night, good Night, good night. You're listening to the Paranormal
UK Radio Network. Voted number one for paranormal podcasts in the UK.