WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:01:23.920 Love Talk Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host, Alejandro rojash 2 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:32.319 Hello everybody, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas and 3 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:38.519 this is our last Thursday show in the studio, and luckily enough we're able 4 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.640 to go out with a bang and have a studio guest. We've got Michael 5 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:48.000 Schratt here, a military aerospace historian. We got lucky that he was coming 6 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.599 into town on a Thursday, so we're able to have him on the show 7 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.079 and on the last show that we're doing solely over the internet, because starting 8 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:05.560 tomorrow will be our first show for the airwaves. AM eleven hundred KFNX will 9 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:10.319 be in studio in their studio broadcasting. 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You can also watch us live on the website, 20 00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:01.039 or if you're a podcaster, we will read broadcast Friday shows the following 21 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:06.560 Thursday, So at this time, actually, if you're Bog Talker, you're 22 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.560 still going to be able to listen to the show. You'll just be listening 23 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:13.159 to a show that is six days old, and then you can tune in 24 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.000 the next day, so you'll be able to listen to the show live. 25 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:21.960 Hear it again on Thursday because there's a lot of information for your notes and 26 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.080 everything, and then you'll be able to tune in on Friday. So because 27 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.280 people can't get enough of the show, and I can't blame them, especially 28 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:34.879 when we have great guests like today, so I'm really excited about the guests. 29 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:42.000 We're going to talk about Nazi technology, possible flying discs that they've created, 30 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:46.280 you know, way back and starting possibly in the twenties, but what 31 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.599 they might have had after World War Two that the Americans got their hands on. 32 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:57.680 We'll be talking about the triangles. We'll be talking about how because Michael 33 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.960 Tratt here being an aerospaces store and he's looked at a lot of black projects 34 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:05.439 and has a lot of information on some of the cutting edge technologies or the 35 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:11.719 possible technologies that we may have. And of course these things are extremely advanced, 36 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:16.480 so no doubt, possibly a lot of what we're mistaking for extraterrestrial craft 37 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:24.160 our actual terrestrial craft. But we'll talk about his thoughts on the EP issue. 38 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.800 But first let's get into the news. Not a whole lot of big 39 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.600 news outside of sighting some neat sightings out there. But we'll start with an 40 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:40.759 interesting story that came out the first day of the year, and that was 41 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:49.360 on some California psychics and they had predicted that Larry King will interview an extraterrestrial 42 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.519 in twenty ten. So that would be a great interview and I'm sure that 43 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:59.920 will get him a lot of viewers. He'll break some records on that one. 44 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:05.480 If that indeed happens, that'd be very interesting. I guess Sylvia Brown 45 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:12.959 is her name, another famous psychic. She said on Montelle's show or something 46 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:18.600 like that that she thought extraterrestrials would reveal themselves and create some diplomatic relations with 47 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.519 US vers humans during twenty ten to too, so it could be an exciting 48 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:30.639 year for us in the apology film, we'll see. Other than that, 49 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.519 a lot of sightings all over the place if you in the UK, the 50 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:41.079 UK's always got a lot going on. Interesting story in the Ethica Journal where 51 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.000 this was a guy, a writer who actually was friends with Hector Kingtonia's son, 52 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.279 Hector Kingtinia being one of the guys who ran Project Boobook for the Air 53 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:56.480 Force for a while, so that was an interesting story. One of the 54 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:03.279 better sighting reports out there is of course posted on the moufon site and at 55 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.639 the MoveOn. Well. One of the people who works for moofon, Roger 56 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:12.399 Marsh is actually i think to director of communications for moufon. He is the 57 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.639 UFO Examiner. So if you go to this site examiner dot com, they 58 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:21.319 have some local examiners or national examiners, and Roger Marsh is the national UFO 59 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:27.199 Examiner, a very popular article and he posts a lot of the reports that 60 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:33.920 are showing up on the moufon site and he posted a video that Mofon received 61 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:40.720 of a UFO over California. So the witness that he watched it for five 62 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.360 minutes before it disappears. So you can go look at that video and see 63 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.240 what you think. And then after listening to today's show, you may realize 64 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:58.319 that, hey, that is actually attacking on emitting engine and not and we 65 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:02.360 have that technology. Yeah, we're gonna talk about takioms. This isn't just 66 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:10.600 Star Trek people. So also, this is one of the real funny stories. 67 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.519 I haven't posted this story yet, but I'm going to right after the 68 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.720 show is done. This is an ad by a gym that is creating a 69 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.839 lot of controversy, and I think we're gonna put that up. If you're 70 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.639 watching live, you'll probably be able to see it on the video. Really 71 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:33.560 funny. It says warning to Earthlings that when the aliens come, they're gonna 72 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:40.439 eat the fatties first. So they're telling people get to the gym shaping up 73 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.079 so you're not the first to get eaten by the aliens. Now, we 74 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.399 don't have evidence that aliens actually eat people, so I really don't think you 75 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:51.439 have to worry about that. But I really should get to the gym because 76 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:56.480 I'm a little bigger than I should be. Look, there's me, and 77 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.959 I kind of looked like maybe a fatty there. I get to the gym 78 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.160 just in case, so I'm not one of the first eaten. I'm a 79 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.160 vegetarian too, so I would have some clean meat to eat, so that 80 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.560 could even further put me in danger. There. So there's the news. 81 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:20.759 Not a whole lot of news in the UFO headlines out there, But remember 82 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.759 you can go to the website open Minds dot tv, and we post headlines 83 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.079 practically every day because usually there's a lot going on. We didn't post any 84 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.879 yesterday because there weren't a whole lot. But I have a host of you 85 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.320 are else that I'm going to post after the show. The reason I was 86 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.720 busy is because I was just writing a story actually and that I did post 87 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.360 today, And that's called scientists and UFOs. They are interested because there are 88 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:52.000 a lot of scientists have researched UFOs. Some of you who are into the 89 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.120 subject may have had friends and I get this all the time that if there 90 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.320 was really something to the subject, well, then scientists would be interested. 91 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.720 Aren't interested in my friend. And I have dozens and dozens of scientists listed 92 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:11.480 on this story and how they were involved and how they started. Most of 93 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:18.799 the major research organizations in this build, including one of them that you have 94 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.320 been looking into, Michael, which is KUPOS. That's correct, center for 95 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.559 you Full of Studies. That's twenty four to fifty seven Wes Peterson Evenue. 96 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:28.799 And I wrote a lot about that one because who started that one, doctor 97 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.840 j Allen heine Jalen Heinek, and I have him in on the front page 98 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:41.279 of the story here on his cameo appearance on clost Encounters, which is the 99 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.720 Steven Spielberg movie, because he came up with the clost encounter the term. 100 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:52.080 That's correct. Well, let's get into you and your background, how you're 101 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.080 an aerospace history and what is that all entailed. Well, first of all, 102 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.000 thank you for giving me the opportunity to be a part of your program. 103 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:03.000 My pleasure. Thank you. I really enjoy tracking down the unorthodox aircraft 104 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.720 that have been bought and paid for by the American taxpayer, but which are 105 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:13.320 exempt from congressional oversight. That's sort of my forte and what I've really made 106 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.159 a focus to do and really put a lot of effort into tracking down the 107 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.840 military hardware, the nuts and bolts evidence, so that we can stitch this 108 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:30.799 story together with some type of a historical legacy exempt from congressional oversight. Is 109 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:35.159 that technically make them illegal. Well, if you look at the Research, 110 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.200 Development, Test and Evaluations program are one. That is the budgetary report that's 111 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.879 handed out to Congress every January twenty seventh, and you can go get a 112 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.720 copy of this document from the Library of Congress, which is in just in 113 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.440 back of the Capitol Building in Washington, DC. In this rather boring twelve 114 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.639 page document, they list by line item the different programs that the DoD is 115 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:03.799 supporting, like Operations F sixteen, operations Electronic countermeasures, and it tells you 116 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:09.679 what the project is, and it tells you how much procurement funding was allocated 117 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.559 for that particular program element number. However, when you further go down through 118 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:20.039 this boring twenty four page document, you'll find that some of these programs all 119 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.879 there is is a code name designation. There's nothing to indicate how much was 120 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.919 spent on the program or what the program entails. And so those are the 121 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.960 black budget programs. So The concept here is you take the total amount from 122 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:39.000 the knowns. What's leftover are the unknowns or the black programs. What are 123 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.480 has budgets estimated to be well, as of now, it's estimated to be 124 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.120 well over four hundred billion dollars per year. Four hundred billion dollars per year. 125 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.559 Very few people in Congress have any need to know on these programs, 126 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:58.159 and so my endeavor, my mandate, is to release some of these programs, 127 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.000 if possible, within the public domain, and take that technology, trickle 128 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:07.960 it down to the civilian sector, and then make that propulsion systems available to 129 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.679 people around the world so that we can start reversing the effects of the damage 130 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.759 that we've done to this environment. Makes sense, and it would seem, 131 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.919 I mean, the most advanced technology that we've been made aware of. I 132 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.840 don't know if it would be the stealth fighters or is a joint strike fighter 133 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.440 even higher and more advanced stealth than the stealth Sure, if you go to 134 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.000 Oshkosh at the end of every July, this has been going on for decades 135 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.320 now, it's called Air Venture, which is the largest fair show in the 136 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:46.279 world, and they do exhibit some of the cutting edge fighters we've seen the 137 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.679 B two, We've seen the SR seventy one, we've seen the B one 138 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.759 bomber. The U two has shown up there, and so we're supposed to 139 00:12:54.840 --> 00:13:00.600 believe that the US Air Force is showing us what we've bought and paid for 140 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.120 with our tax dollars. That's the whole purpose of you know, many of 141 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.080 these air shows, and we're supposed to really believe that this is the best 142 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.480 we can do. But if you really look into the reference works in the 143 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:16.840 historical literature within the aerospace industry, you can see this gigantic diversion, one 144 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.360 being a dog and pony show that you see at your local air show, 145 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:28.559 and then a different set of vehicles, nuts and bolts, hardware that is 146 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.039 completely independent from what we know, and that is the black world that will 147 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:41.279 certainly get into detail today. So the technology, I mean getting back to 148 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.639 that kind of the joint Strike fighters out of style technology. Ba's decades old, 149 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.879 right, that's obsolete technology. It's already when the F one seventeen eight 150 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:56.639 came out November tenth, nineteen eighty eight, it was already obsolete. That's 151 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:01.559 when they really released it within the public domain. The northk B two stealth 152 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.720 bomber. That's November twenty TEWOD nineteen eighty eight. That was even obsolete because 153 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.639 we know that stealth program started under Project Harvey from the DARPA that's Defense Advanced 154 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:18.440 Research Project Agency under the Carter administration be in nineteen seventy seven, So between 155 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.320 nineteen seventy seven and nineteen eighty eight that was a black, classified, unacknowledged 156 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:30.200 special access program. But when that plane was released, it's already completely obsolete. 157 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:35.320 They have third, fourth, fifth generation stealth technology aircraft that are levels 158 00:14:35.360 --> 00:20:19.440 of magnitude lower radar cross such U S A S. And we're back, 159 00:20:21.039 --> 00:22:18.319 Okay, sorry about that, and we're back all right. Luckily we had 160 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:23.880 another board, but our board went out, so some sort of electro magnetic 161 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:30.519 issue there. But we were talking about, oh, the technology that I'm 162 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:34.400 sure they must have now, which is because you said all those others are 163 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:41.440 way absolute. Yeah, we're talking about aircraft that are orders of magnitude much 164 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.799 more classified than the Northern B two stealth bomber. And as we're talking about 165 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.359 the B two, we should mention the March nineteen ninety two Aviation Week Space 166 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:56.160 Technology article that specifically talks about how the B two electrically charges the leading edge 167 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.400 of the wing to reduce the riter cross section and then electrically charges the exhaust 168 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:06.599 gases to reduce the infrared signature. But what was interesting is back in nineteen 169 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.920 sixty eight report from Northrop indicated that when you do that, when you electrically 170 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.000 charge the leading end of the wing and then it will negatively charged the trailing 171 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:21.559 edge, there is an aerodynamic drag coefficient reduction buy up to sixty percent, 172 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:27.240 thereby allowing the airline industry to save up to sixty percent in fuel consumption, 173 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:32.240 which would be worthing billions to the airline industry. But it's not being released. 174 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.000 Why do you think they don't release something like that because it's unprofitable for 175 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.440 them to do that. They could only charge you about nine dollars far a 176 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.039 trip to New York City to Los Angeles. What they can charge you five 177 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.960 hundred. Now, why would they charge you nine dollars with that technology? 178 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.519 So using this obsolete technology, it's still profitable for them to do that. 179 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.640 What's interesting is that maybe, and you would be able to tell me if 180 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.720 this is true or not, if the same companies that make those planes that 181 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:06.680 are the ones building the technology. There's two sides to this thing. Absolutely, 182 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:12.680 there is a privatized space defense contractor program and then there's the public relations 183 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:17.680 space program in the form of NASA, which is actually a military entity. 184 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.880 So we've got two different tracks running here. Absolutely, it's incredible. Well, 185 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.880 let's get back, getting back and relating this all to UFOs that there's 186 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:32.799 a lot of information about there about what the Nazis might have had. There's 187 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:37.119 photos out there of what looked to be like the UFOs that they saw in 188 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.720 the fifties that they say were Nazi built. What, as far as you 189 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:47.359 know, was really worked on that is of this cutting edge technology back then. 190 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.960 Well, the first thing I think it's important to remember is what was 191 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:59.119 procured under the closing years of the Third Reich, the Naziss elements of the 192 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:04.039 Luftwaffe who were borderline on that type research. We should not underestimate what was 193 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:10.839 made under the direction of ss General Hans Kamler at the Skoda works in Czechoslovakia. 194 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.680 The Red Russian Red Army when they came into the Skoda works, they 195 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:22.559 actually got a gigantic truck full load of the Nazis most secretly guarded anti gravity 196 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:29.519 propulsion technology, laminar flow control technology. We're talking about scalar wave weaponry. 197 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.799 They got a jump on their space program and so that cannot and should not 198 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.960 be minimized or lessened in any type wave. And the full story of what 199 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.880 happened to General Hans Camera has never been told. He was the one who 200 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:49.000 headed up the secret programs, research, development, test and evaluation programs for 201 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:53.960 the SS at that time, and he was intimately involved in the German program 202 00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:00.160 called Diglaka or the Bell, which carried the highest security classification that the Nazis 203 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.559 had on any program they were running. So we don't want to underestimate what 204 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:10.839 actually took place. What was the bell? The bell was approximately fifteen feet 205 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.200 high, about eight feet in diameter. It had a bumper that went around 206 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.599 the lower circumference of the vehicle. There were strange hieroglyphic writings around the circumference 207 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:26.079 inside the bell housing near the upper portion of the craft, there were two 208 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:33.440 counter rotating drums that had a radioactive isotope serium five twenty five that was spun 209 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:38.440 in two counter rotating drums and it did act as a torsional pinch type device 210 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:45.839 that could actually work as a bomb type device or somewhat an anti gravity type 211 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:51.160 vehicle. But what's interesting is in nineteen sixty five, almost the identical looking 212 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:59.720 craft crashed in Pennsylvania, almost near image craft Keexsburgh, Pennsylvania, nineteen sixty 213 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.920 five. The same dimensions, the same bell looking craft, and the same 214 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:08.000 hieroglyphic writing around the circumference. So once again it looks like this may have 215 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:14.640 been a German craft. With that craft, it was fifteen feet high. 216 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.359 Was it built to man keep? Not manned at all? No. In 217 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.559 fact, many of the project engineers who worked on it suffered from the effects 218 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:27.279 of radiation poisoning. And then when they put plants next to this vehicle when 219 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:33.200 it was powered up and under a day, they completely turned to black rubber. 220 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.279 Oh geez. Yes, so this was very toxic to the environment, 221 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.480 anti humans. So no, there were no test pilots in this vehicle. 222 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.640 Absolutely not well and where does the information come that this vehicle existed? Is 223 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:52.759 it pretty credible? We have the testimony from the original engineers, actually sixty 224 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.759 two engineers. They left a pay per trail. They were later murdered over 225 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:03.559 this program. We also have eyewitnesses, actually some of the concentration camp survivors 226 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.119 who actually worked on these vehicles did provide additional details, so we do have 227 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:12.559 a historical paperwork to back it up. Okay, these people who were killed 228 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.640 that worked on it, were they who were they killed by? Or was 229 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.200 this already members of THESS? Members of the SS? Okay, so this 230 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.200 was during the war? Yep, during during the war. Okay, gotcha. 231 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.720 This is just before the clods of World War two. And it's believed, 232 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.000 not proven, but it's believed that SS General Hans Kammler, who has 233 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:34.759 had three different death stories. No one can nail down how this guy disappeared 234 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:40.720 off the radar steam and he's the most historical I challenge anyone to come up 235 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.240 with someone who is more historically significant than SS General Hans Kamler. He was 236 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.000 the key to all of this technology. He designed the concentration camps. This 237 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:53.440 guy was a monster, but he was a technical genius and he ran those 238 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:59.359 programs for the SS. So the big question is what happened to Candler and 239 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.279 did he a deal with the Americans. It's never been it's never been proven 240 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:04.640 either way. We still don't know what happened to him, and he was 241 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:10.400 talked about in the trials when the Nazis were tried for their war crimes, 242 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.759 he was specifically mentioned and we don't know what happened to him. We just 243 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.400 don't wow. Did he disappear after the war then, and we believe, 244 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.640 we believe he disappeared, and we believed that he cut a deal with the 245 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.599 Americans, And that is highlighted in this article. This is the London Daily 246 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.799 Mail, August twelfth, two thousand and one, talking about SS General Hans 247 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.319 Kamler, the programs he was involved in, what he did, the dates, 248 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:38.720 times and places, so we have his historical account on Rucker. Well, 249 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.559 it's interesting too that that was written by Nick Cook, who I've seen, 250 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.960 you know, he did that Hunt for Zero Point Energy, a great 251 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.200 book. Yeah, great documentary too that he did. You can still see 252 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.799 that on YouTube, right, and he found some interesting staff he did. 253 00:29:53.960 --> 00:30:00.000 He did the hieroglyphics on that bell object, Like you said, they were 254 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.400 similar to the Kexberg What the heck would something like that be used for? 255 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.880 Why would they? We don't know, And it's never been explained. It's 256 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.319 never been explained what those hieroglyphic writings represented on the Nazi bell and what they 257 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:17.240 represented on the Kexburgh acorn. It's never been talked about, and they could 258 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.400 have been two different type writing. However, maybe it's not a writing in 259 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.799 a language at all. Maybe just maybe that it is some type of a 260 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:33.200 physical torsion pinch equation. And we've been thinking about it the wrong way all 261 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.680 this time. We're all thinking that this is an alien writing from a different 262 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.559 world or a different culture. But maybe it's a lot closer to home, 263 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.839 and this is some type of a torsion pinch equation showing you how the vehicle 264 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.000 starts off. That's just a guess, but that may be one scenario. 265 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.480 It's not a language per se, but it's actual mathematical equation. So, 266 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:59.160 for instance, torsion is sort of an energy, and other Russians talk about 267 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:04.839 that a lot, and so these hieroglyphics may be interacting with this. And 268 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.359 well, it's kind of like a checklist on an aircraft. When you're flying 269 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.039 a seven forty seven, the pilot and command who sits in the left seat, 270 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.599 he has a checklist that he goes over, and on that checklist there 271 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.599 is definite, definitive things that he must you and follow, and in some 272 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:26.359 cases there's symbolic language associated with that that may be the same thing happening on 273 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.240 the bell. It may have been a visual checklist on how to get this 274 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:37.079 vehicle going and how to continue the operation. Okay, really interesting now the 275 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.400 information on the hieroglyphics and this bell, when did that start to come out? 276 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:49.119 Immediately immediately after the Keexburg incident, multiple eyewitnesses saw this acorn shaped vehicle 277 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.799 come down out of the sky and make a swooping turn. So number one, 278 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.480 we know it's not a meteor because meteors don't make turns, they have 279 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:04.039 straight line trajectories. Crash landed in the wooded area of Checksburg, Pennsylvania, 280 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:08.839 nineteen sixty five. The firemen and civilian witnesses got there first. The military 281 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.480 did not get there first, which is lucky for us, or we would 282 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.759 have never even known to buy this. So when the witnesses got to the 283 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.200 crash site, they saw this acorn looking craft that was halfway embedded into the 284 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.119 soil. They noticed that it had this raise section along their circumference, and 285 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:30.039 there was this strange writing which no one to this day within the civilian sector 286 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.480 has been able to interpret properly or what that actually meant. And then what 287 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:40.240 was interesting is military individuals. There were two men in black associated with this 288 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:45.119 craft and there were massive people in white coats with the MASSA insignia on it. 289 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:52.680 They were also at this particular crash retrieval. This thing was loaded up 290 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:59.079 on a military truck vehicle with a tarp half covering it. It was driven 291 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.680 to write Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio, and then it was 292 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.759 quote in tuned in a very specific area at right Patterson Air Force Base that 293 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:14.720 had this insulating type block material and they completely bricked the whole thing and never 294 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:19.359 to be seen again. Wow. And it's right. Patterson also is in 295 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.519 charge of the Foreign Technology Division. They have Air Material Command there and that 296 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.039 is where a lot of this I mean right, Patterson Air Force BACE has 297 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:34.960 secrets to tell absolutely they do. They do so other Nazi technologies. You 298 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.160 said, you have a patent to show that they were working on some sort 299 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:44.680 of jaure. The story of the legend of the Nazi saucers is exactly that. 300 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.279 It is known as the quote legend because this has been handed down in 301 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.440 ufology for decades now. So the question we should ask is is there any 302 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.640 physical proof to any of this or is this just psychobabble. Is there any 303 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.480 documented evidence that we can follow follow a paper trail to indicate that, in 304 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:06.640 point of fact, the Germans were working on circular dishaped aircraft. Well, 305 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.679 fortunately we do have some information here. We have a patent. This is 306 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:16.239 from mister H. Fleischner. Okay, rotating jet aircraft with lifting disc wing 307 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:22.679 in tanks. This is patent two million, nine thirty nine six forty eight. 308 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.480 So anyone can listen to this and get that patent. That's the actual 309 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.719 patent number. And what they're doing here is in many cases they are sucking 310 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.519 in the boundary layer using laminar flow control which helps to increase the efficiency for 311 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.679 vertical takeoff. And we've got the actual patent for it. And this is 312 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:46.239 from an original German designer. Now he was granted the patent filed in March 313 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.800 twenty eighth, nineteen fifty five. It was granted June seventh, nineteen sixty. 314 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.440 So look at the historical lineage of what took place here. In nineteen 315 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.360 fifty five they were working on atomic powered aircraft A on the powered spacecraft, 316 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:07.480 very exotic vertical takeoff vehicles. By nineteen sixty Aviation week. Space technology completely 317 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.880 eliminated anything having to do with this type of technology. So it looks like 318 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.199 the R and D began in nineteen fifty five. By nineteen sixty they made 319 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:22.639 a massive breakthrough in this technology. And this is nine years before Apollo eleven, 320 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.679 which may explain why Neil Armstrong won't talk about Apollow eleven. And what 321 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.599 do you mean by that? Well, I mean that perhaps he wasn't the 322 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.280 first one there, Okay, because are we really supposed to believe that we're 323 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.719 using liquid rockets even after all this time, it's been well over sixty years, 324 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.920 we're still using liquid rockets? Didn't they have anything better at that time? 325 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.119 These patents they go a long way to prove that something else was going 326 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.639 on. So the modern UFO era kind of started in the forties, surely 327 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:58.360 after World War Two, after they had their sightings in World War Two of 328 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.440 the Foo fighters. And we'll let to start right there with Foo fighters. 329 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:08.199 Are there any sort of technologies doing that were developed during or before World War 330 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.719 Two that might explain those Well again, remember too, though, that anything 331 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:20.639 that we have today within the military industrial complex, almost any military technology. 332 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:25.039 We're talking about laser guided bombs. We're talking about TV guided air to air 333 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:31.559 missiles, we're talking about phased array over the horizon, radar drones, UAVs 334 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:37.800 were all, repeat all developed by the Nazis before the close of World War 335 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.639 Two, So what we're doing here is nothing but a belated designer leak or 336 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.679 a pale reflection of the German original. They were the origin point to all 337 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:53.599 of this. So there is reports of these type spherical objects coming up from 338 00:36:53.719 --> 00:37:00.559 the Balls of Berlin, tracking and locking themselves in between the the horizontal stabilizer 339 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.679 of our B twenty nine, between the horizontal stabilizer and the trailing edge of 340 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.519 the main wing. Following these B twenty nines and B seventeens throughout World War 341 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:16.559 two and then breaking away. Also reports of electromagnetic disturbances would interact with the 342 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:22.639 reciprocating piston engines on the B seventeen, causing them to crash. So it 343 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.440 sounds like this is a lot of pre done German hardware at that time. 344 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:34.480 Are we to believe that aliens are causing Certainly there have been electromagnetic effects, 345 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.559 but just think about the origin point of where these things were coming from. 346 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:43.280 When the B seventeens were starting their bombing rate over the oil refineries and over 347 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.639 the ball bearing plants, because by the end of nineteen forty four we had 348 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:52.440 completely bombed all the refineries and ball bearing plants out of existence the runways as 349 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:58.519 well, so they needed a VTL option which could be used as a rapid 350 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:04.400 response these orbs, the spheres that we're seeing. Have you ran across any 351 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.320 technology that would explain that or do you have any ideas around what those might 352 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.719 have been if they were German? What? I believe that they were borderline 353 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:19.440 psychological warfare operations and they did have the technology to short out the electrical systems 354 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.280 on our B seventeens and B twenty nine, And do you have any idea 355 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.760 of the technology behind those. It goes into some of the electrogravitic effects and 356 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:34.119 some of the quote kogle Blitz devices. Certainly what we see here in this 357 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.440 patent is partially responsible for some of those sightings. And then you can also 358 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.880 cross reference to that to June twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven. This is 359 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:49.440 just before Roswell. Many eyewitnesses in New Mexico saw a crescent shape flying wing 360 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.199 very similar to the Horton two T nine model, which is of German origin. 361 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:58.039 So again all these leads are pointing back to the third ride. Okay, 362 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.519 and when you talk about a flying wing of a delta shape kind of 363 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:07.280 like Cura the self bomber, correct because remember too that what Kenneth Arnold saw 364 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.800 were nine quote flying saucers, but they weren't really flying saucers. The lead 365 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:17.119 aircraft was a crescent flying wing configuration, and then the aircraft that were in 366 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:24.320 back of the lead were a spade shaped craft similar to the Averall original project 367 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:31.360 y. So again this also has a lineage because the Averall project why it 368 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:37.159 looks identical to what Kenneth Arnold reported. So this is again pointing back to 369 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.000 the third like it really is, it really is. So then we get 370 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.239 into later in the forties and the fifties, and now you're having masses of 371 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:54.760 sightings, a lot of sightings mostly of round flying saucer type object. Sure 372 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.480 do you attribute that? Possibly? Do you said? Well, let's let's 373 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.079 be clear. Absolutely. I mean we have circular reports. We've got delta 374 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.519 configuration, we've got chevron configuration, we've got bat wing manta rate type craft, 375 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:15.079 we've got cigar craft. Just look at what happened between nineteen eighty two 376 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.039 and nineteen eighty nine in the Hudson Valley, New York area, over twenty 377 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:27.239 five thousand eyewitnesses reported seeing a gigantic flying wing delta type configuration that had a 378 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:34.719 single trailing triangle edge to the craft. It was reported by multiple police officers 379 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.760 atc people pull off to the side of the road they saw this craft. 380 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:44.679 It was massive in size. It stopped traffic, it hovered, It was 381 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:49.239 very slow flight. But what's interesting here, though, is reports from the 382 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:53.400 eyewitnesses who's looked up underneath this vehicle as it flew over. They said that 383 00:40:53.440 --> 00:41:00.239 it had trends loosing panels on the bottom. It had multiple lighting configuration on 384 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.559 the belly of the craft, and they said that when they looked up through 385 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:08.440 these translucent panels, they could see what they termed the cross beam and I 386 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:14.760 beam construction, the grid work inside the vehicle itself. So I asked the 387 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:21.239 question, does an extraterrestrial vehicle need translucent panels? What were in the world 388 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:25.480 would you need translucent panels? Well, if you're landing VTOL like a helicopter, 389 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.280 you would need to see your landing area. So again, it looks 390 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:37.559 like this is a man made technology using a kevlar type exterior with a teflon 391 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.480 or perhaps a carbon fiber exoskeleton for the interior of the vehicle. But I 392 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.480 don't think that the Hudson Valley boomerang was an extraterrestrial craft. I believe it 393 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:52.159 was one of our LTA or lighter than their vehicles. That's from the nineteen 394 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.400 seventy six report for McDonald Louglas. Okay, well, before we get too 395 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.960 further, too much further, whereat a lot of these people are going to 396 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.880 start to get upset, Let's do ask it the question, since obviously you 397 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.119 know a lot about these technologies, are there some technologies or things that you've 398 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:13.119 seen that have been observed that are beyond what we would Okay, so let's 399 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:17.480 make something clear too though, is December seventeenth, nineteen oh three, was 400 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.679 the beginning of flight that was Killdeuble Hills, North Carolina. However, we 401 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.480 have reports of UFOs that date back to the ancient Romans, to the ancient 402 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.280 Egyptians. So to say that everything that we're seeing out here is man made 403 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:36.840 is not consistent with the historical record. So I want to make that clear. 404 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.800 There is a core of reality to this phenomenon. Absolutely, These sightings 405 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:47.559 go back forward hundreds thousands of years. We've got cases over Mexico City early 406 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:57.360 eighteen hundreds talking about a spade shaped shield type object that had metallic wings that 407 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:01.000 were shining down lights over the city. Is way before aircraft were ever built. 408 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.920 So again, not everything we're seeing out there is man made. There 409 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.800 is a core of reality to this. Yes. Now, with the people 410 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.239 that you've talked to, with all of these technologies, do they allude to 411 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:20.599 the possibility that some of this is reverse engineer from captured craft. We've heard 412 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.519 those reports. We've heard those reports. In fact, there's a vehicle out 413 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:30.119 there called the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, also known as the flux Liner. It's 414 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.199 about twenty four feet in diameter. It houses a crew of four and uses 415 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.000 off the shelf components within the aerospace industry. But the fact that it's called 416 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:45.440 the Alien Reproduction Vehicle sort of leads one to believe that maybe this was a 417 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.519 recovered craft that was reverse engineered, and we try to make another man version 418 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.199 of it, a human piloted alien craft version of it via Operation Project Snowbird 419 00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:04.480 project. Snowbird is the program to produced alien craft using American pilots for the 420 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.440 crew members. So this is a real program. So it looks like yes, 421 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.039 there were actual crash retrievals. We know of at least one case that 422 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.920 took place two years before Roswell, where a UFO crashed in Alaska. It 423 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.599 was in such a remote area that they never bothered to bring it back to 424 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:25.000 the Air Force base. They made a hangar surrounding the craft exactly where it 425 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.000 landed. There were two beings involved that look exactly identical to humans. One 426 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.360 of them was still alive and he taught American pilots how to fly this vehicle. 427 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.760 So it's now part of the historical record, really, and can you 428 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:43.239 read about that. This comes from one of the members of the Disclosure Project 429 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.559 who tried to get this story out into the public media, but he was 430 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.320 squelched and it never went anywhere. So I've been trying to track down more 431 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.639 information on this. But the gentleman who told the Disclosure Project representative said that 432 00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.199 he was the military Attas Shave who he was in charge of the bill of 433 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:05.480 materials for making the hangar. He was the one who bought the materials for 434 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.440 the hangar, and they never bothered to bring it back wherever it landed. 435 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.599 They built the hangar around the craft. It was circular in shape. It 436 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:19.679 had the wingspan the same diameter as the wingspan of a DC six. That's 437 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.760 what the diameter of the craft was. And he said that there were two 438 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:27.519 beings involved, and there was writing that you could see on the interior. 439 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:31.800 He actually called in the craft himself. So that case has just never been 440 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.679 talked about very much. Yeah, I haven't heard of that case. That's 441 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:40.519 incredible case. The flex Liner, the alien reproduction vehicle. Let's get into 442 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.880 a little bit of that. First of all, how you know it exists? 443 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.239 Okay, Well, I personally know two people who have seen it up 444 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:55.239 close. I've spoken to them by phone. Also, we have at least 445 00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.320 ten other people who we know who have worked on the program. My good 446 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:06.760 friend Mark McCanalish is the world's premier aerospace illustrator. He did the best illustrations 447 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.960 of this vehicle based on the original eyewitness testimony that was seen at the November 448 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.559 twelfth, nineteen eighty eighth Open House Airshow exhibit at Norton Air Force Base. 449 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:21.639 And this portion of the exhibit we believe took place in the L ten eleven 450 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.639 hangar, that's Air Force Plant forty two, Palmdale, the Lockey facility, 451 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.119 So that's where these craft were actually seen, but they were still part of 452 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.840 a bigger exhibit at Norton. This was like the b section of it. 453 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:39.159 And very quickly those three craft that were at this display measured twenty four sixty 454 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.519 and one hundred and thirty feet in diameter. They were all hovering off the 455 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.960 floor. There were no wires, no supporting structure, no rigging on the 456 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:52.199 bottom, no mounting plates, nothing. They were bobbing on their own type 457 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.599 gravitic field, just like a tinker bob's in the harbor that she had this 458 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:05.760 bobbing effect to it. The upper crew compartment housed six CCD cameras along the 459 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.519 upper exterior of the craft and one on top, for a total of seven. 460 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:15.599 And these CCD cameras were quote taken directly off the Vegas casinos. Okay, 461 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:20.639 so whenever you will go out in Vegas, you'll see everywhere inside the 462 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.400 gambling area these little balls, these little black balls looking down at you making 463 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:30.440 sure you don't set the house okay, And so that's what those cameras look 464 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.760 like. On the upper portion of the alien reproduction vehicle, also one as 465 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:39.519 the flux liner. Those cameras could be slewed in conjunction to produce an artificial 466 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.480 image on the inside of the pilots via their via the Apache heads up displays. 467 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.000 It's the same system they use on the Apache helicopter. Down that central 468 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:54.760 column A little bit further is where the four F four phantom ejection seat systems 469 00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:00.519 were the same seat ejection system off the four Phantom there was perhaps a nuclear 470 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:06.480 containment device that had about eleven and a quarter pounds of enriched uranium two thirty 471 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:10.400 eight. There was an articulated arm associated with the bottom section of this vehicle. 472 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:16.119 So that raises two questions. Number one, is that articulated arm used 473 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:24.000 for launching of DoD classified payload or is that arm used for picking up samples 474 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:30.719 from interplanetary star systems and planets? Who knows, But why would you need 475 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.000 an articulated arm. Are they taking samples from blows or something? But obviously 476 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:40.119 they have a need for it. The exterior of the vehicle had these composite 477 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:46.039 panels that came down a thirty degree from the vertical axis, and these panels 478 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:52.800 were fastened by Zeus fasteners. So anyone who's familiar with a engine calling knows 479 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.880 that these zoos fasteners, with about a half a turn on a strew driver 480 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.480 a snap into place. That's how these composite pannels were around the circumference of 481 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:07.199 this. Did any of these witnesses talked about when this the things were developed? 482 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:13.760 Well? Interesting, you mentioned that the one witness who came forward kind 483 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:17.599 of in a strange way, stated basically that this thing looked like it had 484 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.039 been around for decades. There was finger print marks on it, there were 485 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.920 grease stains on it, it was slightly beat up. It just looked old 486 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.400 and clunky. I mean, it looked like it had been around for a 487 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.800 long time, you know. So that's consistent with what we know about nineteen 488 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.239 fifty to nineteen sixty when that research was expunged from the aerospace literature. So 489 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.800 you think those might have been developed in the fifties or that thing could have 490 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.360 been decades old. The wow, Yes, and it seems to have the 491 00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:49.920 technology to be spacefaring absolutely. In fact, it works better in outer space 492 00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:54.960 because they had the capability they used the principles of high voltage electricity in conjunction 493 00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:00.400 with the field brown effects. So they're using capacitor plates with always the positive 494 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.559 plate on top because that's how when you charge a capacitor plate, there's a 495 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.239 direction in the movement of the positive charge, so that's why the positive plate 496 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:14.960 is always on top, and you could vary the voltage on this capacitor section 497 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.079 that causes pitch yarn roll. So yes, it looked like these things had 498 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.760 been around for decades. Wow, that's pretty incredible. So if these were 499 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.880 in the B section of this exhibit, what was in the A section. 500 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.480 The A section was the slightly less classified aircraft. Okay, so, for 501 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:37.039 instance, the pulsar or flaming pumpkin seed was associated that's one hundred feet long, 502 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:42.079 sixty five feet wide, a flattened football diamond black shaped craft that had 503 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:47.960 heat a blasive thermal resistant panels all around the vehicle, tricycle landing gear unmanned. 504 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.400 Basically, when that craft got up to about mock three, they shut 505 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:58.400 down the turbogen engines buried inside the fuselage of the vehicle. Then they slam 506 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.760 shot the air intake ducts, which are the NACA air intake ducts and at 507 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.079 about mock free the leading edges glowing red hot. They start introducing a modified 508 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:13.360 liquid methane fuel with a borne based additive directly into the superheated shockwave. There's 509 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:19.480 a compressibility factor, there is an explosion. It compresses between the superheated shockwave 510 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.199 and the tapered after body of the vehicle, propelling it across the sky at 511 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:28.559 about twelve thousand miles an hour. That's pretty incredible. So that was at 512 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:34.519 this exhibit. So speaking of kind of triangular aircraft, one of the popular 513 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.239 ones you hear about is TR three B. Sure what is that and does 514 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:43.039 it exist? TR three B is also known as the Astra, and this 515 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.000 comes in two different sizes. There is a quote alleged three hundred foot per 516 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:52.559 side triangle vehicle of it. There is also a six hundred foot version of 517 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.840 this craft. Both operate on the same principle as something called the magnetic field 518 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:05.159 disruptor, which is a ring shaped device in the central section of this craft. 519 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.119 Basically, what they're doing is they're taking liquid mercury, They're pressurizing it 520 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:14.679 to two hundred and fifty thousand atmospheres, They're rotating it at fifty thousand rpm. 521 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.400 There is a resultant decrease in the localized gravity field way up to eighty 522 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:23.719 nine percent. That means that the multi mode impulse rockets that are on each 523 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:30.079 point of this triangle only have to propel eleven percent of the craft and the 524 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.920 G forces are reduced by eighty nine percent. So you can we hear these 525 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:39.639 stories about these ninety degree right angle turns at forty g's. Well you're not 526 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:45.920 experiencing forty g's. You're almost down to four g's, which is completely survivable 527 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:50.599 by pilots. So yes, there's two different versions. See that's incredible, 528 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.039 And you know, of course, this is a lot of technology. It's 529 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:58.800 kind of you're thinking, wowd and what is ours and what isn't. But 530 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.840 that's what's kind of hard days to know. And that's why I've always felt, 531 00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.519 well, I've known, you know, when I was a kid. 532 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.320 SR seventy one Blackbird came out, and that was so advanced, but that 533 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:13.920 was made decades ago before I was born. So if that's the latest technology 534 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.840 I knew of, then it just goes to show that there are technologies out 535 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:23.039 there I can't even fathom. Ben Rich before he died in ninety five told 536 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:29.599 Jim Goodall from his hospital bed that we have quote things flying that are fifty 537 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.920 years beyond which you can possibly dream on. So if you think about what 538 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.519 happened in nineteen sixty two, that was the first test flight of the A 539 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.159 twelve, which went on to become the SR seventy one, we as taxpayers, 540 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.159 after forty years, are supposed to believe that the A twelve, the 541 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.320 SR seventy one, is the quote fastest aircraft in the world at this time. 542 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.000 That is the biggest joke in the world. That's absolutely the biggest joke 543 00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:00.920 in the world. And there's a group of stealth pilots SR every one Sledge 544 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.000 Drivers A twelve YouTube pilots called the road Runners internationally, and they meet in 545 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:13.360 Novada every other year in October, and at the end of their meeting they 546 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.159 have a champagne toast where all these people hold up their glasses and they say, 547 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:21.639 quote, and we're still the fastest. Okay, So it's this big 548 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.679 thing that they think that they're still the fastest. Well, yeah, a 549 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.960 lot of these guys have been retired for thirty years. They're not clued into 550 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.800 what's going on now. Well, I have a theory around that, because 551 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.239 yeah, it's still classified. Even how fast the SR seventy one really can 552 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.599 go, right, but it always goes up to just under escape velocity. 553 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:44.079 So it always seemed to me perhaps they didn't want to admit that they have 554 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.119 there are Air Force vehicles out there that can reach escape velocity where they can 555 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.199 even go into space, because they're not supposed to be going into space. 556 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.920 NASA is supposed to be the only people doing that. Well, you need 557 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.800 seventeen thousand, five hundred to get into orbit, you need twenty two thousand. 558 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.400 I've wanted right in that area to get out of Earth orbits. So 559 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.639 certainly we know that the U SR seventy one can't go that fast, but 560 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.400 they're not talking about the vehicles that we have that can get out there that 561 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:17.000 have no resemblance to the Shuttle whatsoever. That is a complete family of vehicles 562 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:22.719 that the taxpayer does not know about. One of the things I looked into 563 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:27.000 when I did a talks about UFOs in Colorado with Space Command, because it's 564 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:34.960 located in Colorado, out of Colorado Springs and Peterson Air Force Space and I 565 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:40.239 read this Space Command catalog and It's really interesting because it talks about taking battles 566 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:47.239 into space using space vehicles and space forces. It's almost like it's that Binley 567 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:53.320 veiled what they might be doing. Think about what NORD is doing. Okay, 568 00:55:54.360 --> 00:56:00.440 it's been reported that NORD is trekking quote fast walkers on a weekly basis. 569 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:06.840 Okay, are they are UFOs, they're unacknowledged programs. They don't know 570 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.199 what the origin point on a number of these craft are. And we have 571 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:16.199 the testimony from the Disclosure Project representative program who talked about how we have DoD 572 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:22.880 satellites, including Keyhole satellites from the National Security Agency. We've got CIA birds, 573 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:29.880 we've got electromagnetic pulse weapons, we've got rail guns, we've got space 574 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:34.079 based weapon systems. But the problem is that they have nothing to do with 575 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:40.000 income Russian ICBMs. These weapon systems are pointed away from the Earth as though 576 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:45.079 they're anticipating something coming our way. Now that's a question that needs to be 577 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:51.400 answered. Yeah, that is well, I do have another question here actually 578 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.880 from someone in the chat. It'll be I guess our last question because we're 579 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:59.159 about out the time. But they talked, they asked with the Hudson Valley 580 00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:04.159 UFOs. They were black black projects, and how do you explain in abduction 581 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.000 cases that were linked to that case? Very good question. Greer will talk 582 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:16.519 to you about program life forms. These are alien entities that look like actual 583 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:22.360 grays, but in point of fact, are military synthesized program life forms that 584 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:28.280 mimic and mock the same type categories that we know as gray. So I 585 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.320 think that really exists. I think they do. I would not put it 586 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.519 beyond them. Well, we're out of time. Thank you very much for 587 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.840 being on the show. Really interesting. We'll definitely have you on again. 588 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.400 Remember everybody, We're going to be on again tomorrow and we're going to have 589 00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:46.480 Richard Dolan because we're going to be introducing the UFO field to the Phoenix area, 590 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:51.800 not that they haven't been exposed to it before with the famous Phoenix life 591 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.000 that happened over a decade ago. Down But do you have a website or 592 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:59.519 anything you want to tell people? What I really have is my Facebook page, 593 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.320 So I've made everything available to the public on that. So awesome. 594 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:08.159 Okay, Michael Shrat And you know I did school our Facebook kind of admin 595 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:13.440 person for not making an event for this radio show. I don't care if 596 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.400 she was sick yesterday because people got mad at me last week because she forgot 597 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.800 to do that. She's not listening and making face. Oh now she's making 598 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.440 faces, all right. Well, thank you guys for joining me. Thank 599 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:29.480 you very much for coming in today, Michael, and like I said, 600 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:34.719 don't forget come back to Open TV to listen to the show. Tomorrow. 601 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.840 We'll have Richard Dolan, we'll have a new venue. We won't have our 602 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:43.679 pretty screen behind us, but we'll be in an AM radio station, News 603 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:50.920 talk radio AM eleven hundred kfn X. Thank you all for joining us, 604 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.480 and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Everybody, let me find my quotes. 605 00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:30.840 Mytic there it is. Oh, I'm sorry. It took issues a day 606 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:39.599 that I lack. They call getting daily, that I may call getting daily, 607 00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:54.199 that I may call game with day, called game bag, called prioryal, 608 00:59:54.280 --> 01:00:05.440 Priory call priory. Dat's got to go by Dama