WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.439 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:21.399 so like say subscribe and read it Timesta and me day and listening watching 3 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:30.359 always keep it squatching and now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 4 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.240 Hey, Bobs, how you doing man? Good morning, good morning, 5 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:37.880 good morning. Yeah. What's going on? Anything fun and unusual? Well, 6 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.679 certainly something unusual. You are the bobs after all. What's going on? 7 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.079 Well, it's the first storm of the year coming in and the first 8 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:48.600 swell of the of the year. So it's like thirteen feet at fourteen seconds 9 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:52.399 up front right now and offshore, so it's beautiful and I'm gonna get done 10 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:55.079 with this. I'm gonna go down to the jetty and check it out. 11 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:58.000 Now. Just enjoy the waves and one night you're not writing anymore, right, 12 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.200 you're not surfing. No, I know the I know the old time 13 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:03.319 crew, like all the old guys, like I'll see them down there and 14 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.159 hang out. They all show up when it's big, when the first day 15 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.560 of the season or you know, gets like when it's thirteen feet fourteen seconds 16 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.920 offshore winds, it's like it's perfect. Nice. You know, if you 17 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.719 ever move, you're gonna miss that. I know, dude, We're gonna 18 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.359 have to move. So you know, one thing that I'm helping my buddy. 19 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.920 He's a hardcore. He's like one of those hardcore hunters I know. 20 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.640 And he's like a really good business man and stuff. And he's he's been 21 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.439 making a lot of smart investments and saving his money and he's looks like one 22 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.120 of his business is going to sell for a lot a lot of money, 23 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.640 and he's looking for a hunting space. And I've gotten him in a big 24 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:40.959 Foot and you know, it's really gotten into this Prewit's book. Oh good. 25 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:47.000 Yeah, And he has decided because he's about sixty down and he's had 26 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:52.480 some injuries that he's still gonna hunt, but not like he like was just 27 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:57.359 hardcore, like you know, chasing cariboo up in Alaska and hike and elk 28 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.640 hunting in Montana. He's just like he had a bad island injury. So 29 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.920 he's like, you know, just kind of deer stands and stuff like that 30 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.599 now, but well he does more than that. But anyways, he really 31 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.560 wants to getting to squatch in and I've been showing him, like you know, 32 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:15.240 the equipment available, and he's totally in. He's like, let's make 33 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:16.680 up the best big foot research center we can make, you know, like 34 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:21.680 top notch thermals, like you know, showing him like the pan tilt ones 35 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:23.599 and you know some of those like thirty forty thousand dollars ones, and he's 36 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.479 like, yeah, let's let's do it. That's he's like, this is 37 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.639 gonna be my only hobby and he's looking at it. I'll tell you about 38 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.800 the property later because it's so unique. It'd be easy to anyone to find 39 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.560 it. That's a really unique isolated Property's bitch And well, good man, 40 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.520 I hope that happens. Yeah, I mean so it's always words until it 41 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.120 does. But you know, people have approached being They said, Cliff, 42 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:46.800 if I gave you this amount of money, what do you think you could 43 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.479 do with it? And I'm thinking, well, there's not a lot you 44 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:52.479 can do with it unless you know sasquatches are there. And even when they 45 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.199 are there, even in the best of circumstances, they're not there all the 46 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:59.879 time. So you have to set up a situation where you can be constant, 47 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:07.560 only vigilant twenty four seven and still somehow managed to like capture it when 48 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.879 they're there, because vigilance doesn't cut it. No, yeah, well that's 49 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:16.520 the idea is to have it three sixty array of high end thermals with Bluetooth 50 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.520 that we could stream up and people could monitor so we didn't have to watch 51 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:24.840 it and it would you know, it'd be like motion activated it. It 52 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.360 wouldn't be I mean, we could leave. In twenty four seven people wanted 53 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:32.080 to bit and especially now so these even these uh you can get trail cams 54 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:40.199 now that that are Bluetooth WiFi and like have Soular service and they can they'll 55 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:45.680 they'll detect humans. You can type in bears and humans to pick up those 56 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:47.759 animals and like ELK if you want to show a big game or bears and 57 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.919 mountains where you can click off deer or whatever and you can select what you 58 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.680 want to for it only to transmit those kind of images to you or video 59 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.960 clips. I don't know if I'd want that, because I would want the 60 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.280 information I would have their anim molt in the area at that time, right. 61 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:04.280 But I mean if you're monitoring several lots, yeah, I mean, 62 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.360 but I mean if you got like, you know what birds setting it off 63 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:13.240 and blowing sticks and branches and stuff like that. That's true, that's true. 64 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.159 I don't want birds. Well, I was thinking that, what if 65 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:16.519 it's a windy day and it's just going off all the time, and it's 66 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.600 like going, it's not setting off because of the winds, it's still going 67 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.720 to set up as well, is going to overload the system and not register 68 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.680 like a human shape or you know, because one of the one of the 69 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.879 I think the human thing I think it made might only go to like seven 70 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.720 feet or something like that. I'm not sure. I just heard some guys 71 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.959 talking about other hunting show about it. I don't know. I'd rather have 72 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:41.000 too much data than not enough. Yeah, it's reviewing at all. But 73 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.040 anyways, I'm pretty excited about that. He's gonna do it. It's just 74 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.720 a matter when, uh, well he's he's in negotiations to sell his business 75 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.680 right now, and when that goes through, he's he's he's on it. 76 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.399 Yeah, there's always something some thing between here and there. You know. 77 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.800 I try to try it to look too far ahead for that very reason. 78 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:01.240 Kind of look at what's my plate in front of me today, Oh it's 79 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:05.040 a bagel? Cool, I'm gonna eat it all right? What do you 80 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.720 got mine up first? Today? Yeah, today, we've got a good 81 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.920 one. I mean, everybody knows about small town monsters. You know, 82 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.199 the production company there with ten thousand videos out there. I'm not even sure 83 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.279 how many there are. Maybe there are not ten thousand. That makes sad 84 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:21.040 draining. Of course, Seth Bobbo loves company. Seth Bobbo loves right, 85 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:25.199 all right, Seth breedloves company, right. And he has a number of 86 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.720 employees and stuff, and there's a couple of smaller sort of series underneath them. 87 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:30.519 And today we have the host of one of those series. We have 88 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.040 Eli Watson on the podcast. He's a young filmmaker. He kind of got 89 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.560 thrust in the big Footing into some degree and I don't know if he loves 90 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:40.120 it or hates it or regrets it or whatever, but that's his lot right 91 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.600 now. So Eli, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and the Bobs. 92 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.000 And how are you doing today? I'm good man, how are you? 93 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.319 I've met Eli on their very first episode of that on the Trail of 94 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.920 Bigfoot. I've met him out at so on the first episode two. A 95 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.160 lot of people have probably seen it, but yeah, I met him out 96 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.879 there and we hung out for a day. We called it big Foot at 97 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.959 Bluff Creek. So I know, we have a bunch of DVDs and stuff 98 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.279 in the museum and like I got it. We got DVDs from Smalltown Monsters 99 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.240 and like and of course DVDs. I don't think it's the main thrust of 100 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.800 the production company more. Isn't it mostly a YouTube thing now? Yeah, 101 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.160 so that's kind of where my specialty comes in. It's me and another guy 102 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.399 named Alex Petakov, and we kind of produce most of the YouTube content. 103 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:25.040 And so there's about a new video every week every week. Yeah, oh 104 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.519 god, how do you do that? Man? What kind of like what 105 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.680 kind of time constraints do you does that put on you? I'm putting together 106 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.199 like an hour long documentary every two weeks. Oh man, I feel for 107 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:39.399 you. I do one or two of those a month for the Patreon thing 108 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.240 at the North American Bigfoot Center, you know, and a Nico does one 109 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.160 and I do one, and it still feels like a lot of work. 110 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.240 Yeah, yeah, it can be a lot, but it's okay. It's 111 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.759 as you say, it's a lot. You don't have any help. It's 112 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:55.319 just you the whole one man show kind of yeah. I mean, like 113 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:00.279 we have different series going on, so, I mean the one we did 114 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.199 with you, Bobo was for a series called Beyond the Trail, and now 115 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.879 I do my own series called Mysteries and Monsters. So spread it out from 116 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.759 just Bigfoot. Yeah, I wanted to bring I wanted to branch away from 117 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.079 that because I didn't want to. I don't know, Bigfoot can be tiring 118 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.040 after a little while, blast for me give it to this heretic cliff. 119 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:21.680 Sorry, Okay, well, thank you Eli for coming on, and we've 120 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:28.519 heard enough. Well, I don't want to sound too down in the dumps 121 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:33.879 right now. I'm in full squatch either fever. Yeah. So yeah, 122 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.720 you know, we'll say that, you know, Sasquatches are a very narrow 123 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:41.519 niche. I mean it's a bigger niche now that it probably ever has been 124 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.639 back in the day. I think Tom Powell told me when he wrote his 125 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.000 first book, The Locals, he said that you kind of top top off 126 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.480 at about two thousand copies sold, and that kind of gave you some inkling 127 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.319 as the size of the big Foot community. Not that everybody in the big 128 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.800 Foot community got Tom Powell's book, of course, you know, the numbers 129 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:01.800 larger than two thousand. But back in the day, that's what you could 130 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:03.120 expect to sell, and now I don't think that's true. Now it's probably 131 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.600 I think Tom Powell's next book, which should be coming out shortly by the 132 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.839 way, we'll have Tom on the podcast again when it does come out to 133 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.199 tell everybody about it, probably will sell ten thousand copies because of just the 134 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:18.399 larger community and whatever else. But when you expand out to the UFO stuff 135 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.959 or other cryptids and Mothman and all this other nonsense like, when you do 136 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:28.480 that, then obviously the viewership will grow dramatically, and of course more eyes, 137 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:33.000 more clicks, more success. Yeah. No, I'm surprised at some 138 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.200 of the Bigfoot episodes I've put out have over one hundred thousand views, two 139 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.000 hundred thousand views. That must feel good. Yeah, I guess. So. 140 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.240 I never wanted to be famous for this, but it's okay. So 141 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.480 what did you want to be famous for? I mean, not that fame 142 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.440 is a valuable thing to begin with, mind you, but nonetheless it can 143 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.919 be more of a hassle than anything else. So what did you want to 144 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.159 do and how did you end up in this big foot quagmire? Yeah, 145 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.519 so I went to film school at cal State Long Beach, so the film 146 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:11.840 program there, and I wanted to be the next Steven Spielberg, and thankfully 147 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.120 that did not pan out. But I don't think I could deal with the 148 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.320 Hollywood politicking as much as I thought I could back when I was eighteen. 149 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.320 I just I have a short fuse for a polite society, I guess you 150 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.399 could call it. I would rather be out in the woods, sitting around 151 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:35.440 the campfire. And so that was a pretty big discovery. And Los Angeles 152 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:43.399 has a way of really beating your dreams out of you. So I kind 153 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.399 of decided. I was like, well, I'm just going to pursue some 154 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.440 kind of hobby. And that was I was working at a movie theater at 155 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.360 a time, and I was talking to a couple of my friends about bigfoot 156 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.799 and stuff. And I had always been into bigfoot. I had never had 157 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.320 any experiences growing up in southern CALIFORNI, but I just I knew about it 158 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.759 from shows like Monster Quest and obviously the Internet. The early days of the 159 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:11.960 Internet were rife with totally inaccurate information about all that kind of stuff still is. 160 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.919 Yeah, yeah, it is even more so now I almost feel like 161 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.159 but so I just kind of pitched it to my friend. I was like, 162 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.639 hey, we should we should start a podcast talking about Bigfoot, and 163 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.919 I remember distinctly he just laughed and walked away, and I was like, 164 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.039 oh, well, I guess he didn't like that idea. He came back 165 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.679 a few days later and was like, hey, I was thinking about what 166 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.360 you said. I think we should. And so we started a podcast called 167 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:43.360 Cryptic Campfire in twenty eighteen, and funny enough, at the Oregon Bigfoot Festival 168 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:50.039 in twenty nineteen, I gave both you Cliff and Bobo T shirts. I 169 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.200 got that from you. Yeah, oh yeah, I still got that. 170 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:00.240 That's rad I probably I think it probably sold it to an ABC members thing. 171 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:07.360 No hurt feelings. But and then from there I found out about Seth. 172 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.320 As I started to learn more about Sasquatch and learned about Seth, Breedlove 173 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.720 and small town Monsters, and I was like, wait, this guy, 174 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:18.000 this dude's doing Bigfoot movies and he's making a living off of it, Like 175 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.039 he's not living in the La lifestyle Hollywood big shot director. But he's he's 176 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.759 raising a family, you know, he's married. So I was like, 177 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:33.000 Wow, who is this guy? And so I ended up talking to him 178 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:39.240 on the show and we had a really good discussion and he said, Hey, 179 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.639 next year we're gonna go shoot at the Olympic Peninsula. You should You 180 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.960 should come with us, and I said, oh, I'd love to. 181 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:48.840 And so that's when I went to do on the Trail of Bigfoot the Discovery 182 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:54.600 with the Olympic Project and that was my first gig with Small Town Monsters and 183 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.080 it worked out really well and I'm still here today. And at some point 184 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.559 he decided to say, go do this as a side project. Because now 185 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.639 this whole side project, Seth, you're under the small Town Monster's umbrella, 186 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.519 but he's not exactly directly involved, or is he? And I just don't 187 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.320 know about it. Seems like more of an executive producer role for Seth at 188 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.360 this moment. It is. We were doing Beyond the Trail and that was 189 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.919 the first kind of flagship YouTube series that really grew the YouTube and made it 190 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.720 a viable, you know, source of income for us, and Seth wanted 191 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.519 to expand that, and that's when I kind of pitched I said, well, 192 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:37.399 hey, I have my own idea for a show that would go beyond 193 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.799 Bigfoot, and I want to call it Mysteries and Monsters and we could do 194 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.720 all sorts of stuff. And he was like sure. And you know, 195 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.039 this is where I have to really give Seth praise because this is a super 196 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.679 rare thing in my industry to where someone just gives you complete creative control. 197 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.840 And that's what Seth has done. He said, this is your series. 198 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.320 Do whatever you want with that, and yeah, so I've been doing that. 199 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.360 There's eight episodes out now. Three of them are about UFOs, about 200 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.559 five of them are about Bigfoot. Well, you're very lucky to have an 201 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:15.919 overlord like Seth breed Love because you know, in La I mean seems to 202 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.320 me and I think Bobo could probably I think you'd probably agree with me on 203 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.679 this seems like a Hollywood, if you want to call it, that is 204 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.799 mostly run by fear. You know, for a quote unquote creative industry, 205 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:30.159 there's a very little creativity there. It's always regurgitation is something that accidentally worked 206 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.320 before. You know, how many copycat shows are there of any any popular 207 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:37.559 show? Dozens? Right, And there's over a period of a decade, 208 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.519 they'll be a dozen shows trying to copy that one format. And it's sad 209 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:46.600 because there's there are a lot of creative, fantastic people working in the film 210 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.039 in the TV industry, but they're not let loose, which is the advantage 211 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.320 that you have working with Seth and working as an independent publisher essentially. I 212 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.399 think Matt Pruitt actually and I were talking about something like this this past week 213 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.039 with the publication of his book, because he didn't go with the publisher because 214 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.039 he didn't want somebody over looking over his shoulder. Matt, do you want 215 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.360 to comment on that or anything, or I've experienced that many times, you 216 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.919 know, coming up as a musician and going through the major label process as 217 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.240 a major label musician, dealing with that, you know, in various like 218 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.240 one off things that have been a part of whether those were like television series 219 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.360 or things of that nature. And so yeah, I definitely when it came 220 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.120 time for me to put out something that was uniquely my own, I did 221 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.240 not want to have to deal with mediators or gatekeepers, and a few people 222 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.840 were kind enough to put me in touch with, you know, not that 223 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:35.679 I asked them too, but said, oh, hey, I know someone 224 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.440 in the industry, you should have a conversation, and I would have a 225 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.720 conversation. It would be, you know, along the lines of the things 226 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.639 that I was concerned about. If like, oh yeah, this would be 227 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.399 great. All you need to change is everything about it. And your book 228 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.840 needs to be more like this book that sold but has nothing to do with 229 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:56.279 you or your subject matter. It's like, hey McDonald Solilos Hamburgers, Mcambergers 230 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.000 like that exactly. The amazing thing I think about what Eli's doing and what 231 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.519 the generation has at their fingertips now is that you don't have to deal with 232 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.960 those gatekeepers or intermediaries. You can publish things direct to the market. And 233 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.320 when production companies reach out to me, you know, I just had a 234 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.679 conversation with the production company two weeks ago. You know, they didn't know 235 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.039 anything about me or my background or how long I've been involved in the subject 236 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.879 or various productions that I've been involved in. You know, they just assume 237 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.159 they're talking to someone who wants to be on a reality TV series, which 238 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.720 is the furthest thing from the truth. And they were mentioning shows that they 239 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.320 had made that were not related to like Home renovation shows and things of that 240 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.080 nature, and so you can google and find some rough numbers. And I 241 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.759 realized, okay, well, here you've got this show that's done whatever viewership 242 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.360 per episode. And I just went and pulled up Eli's great Bigfoot at the 243 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.480 Border episode, which he was very generous to have me speak about one particular 244 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.720 case in there. And at this point that episode had been out for like 245 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.480 three weeks and there's one hundred and thirty thousand views, and I thought, 246 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.639 well, you know, if we're just talking about eyeballs and people who are 247 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.679 paying attention, like you don't need television. And I didn't have to say 248 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.279 anything. I didn't believe. All I had to do is hang out with 249 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:14.120 my friend Eli for fifteen minutes and here's my words and my true thoughts and 250 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.759 beliefs about this particular case to the tune of one hundred and thirty thousand people 251 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.480 viewing it, you know, in the context of a broader story. But 252 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.240 it's like, that's the kind of thing that you would have wished upon a 253 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.759 star for twenty years ago, and there was no chance in how that it 254 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:32.080 could ever happen. And so the fact that it is happening now today. 255 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.519 I mean, there's so much to be grateful for, for the audience, 256 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.600 for their attention, for the technology, for the ability. I mean, 257 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:41.279 it's really an incredible time. And you're right there in the middle of the 258 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.240 middle of it all, Eli, because you have the best of every world. 259 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:45.600 You have exactly what you want to do. You have you have a 260 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:51.120 benevolent overlord like Seth breed Love who's saying, yeah, I'm empowering you to 261 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.519 do all this. And you're also onder the Small Town Monsters umbrella, you 262 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.440 know, which gives you an automatic audience, because that's one advantage of being 263 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.840 on a network, like you know, finding Big was on Animal Planet, 264 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.879 well, animal Planet had an audience, and if something was on Animal Planet, 265 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:06.880 some audience would come over there for sure. Until you know, so 266 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.480 small Town Monsters platform has given you a very high platform to be visible from. 267 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.880 And now it's just your own work. How good of a producer you 268 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.319 are is what's going to carry you into the future and make you a viable 269 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:22.200 product on your own. So you are a very very fortunate person to be 270 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:27.160 born at your time, into the tech technological age of your time and doing 271 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.039 what you like to do. So man more power to you man, you're 272 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.279 kicking ask good job. Well, thank you. This has been very flattering, 273 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:41.160 one after the other, so thanks stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond 274 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:49.880 with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. So so 275 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.839 far, you live in Los Angeles, and that must be pretty tough to 276 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.839 get out to Bigfoot country. And I know that from first hand experience. 277 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.599 I lived in Long Beach, California for a long time until I finally achieved 278 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.599 escape velocity and ended up here in a Pacific Northwest. But you're smart about 279 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.400 it too, because sure you went to the Olympic Peninsula and hung out with 280 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.400 the Olympic Project. You've been all over the country, I think probably. 281 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:17.240 But the series that you're making now is about southern California Sasquash, and that's 282 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.319 brilliant for a couple of reasons. Number one, saves in your gas money, 283 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.880 and number two, it's it's a topic that almost nobody has ever touched. 284 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.200 Yeah. Yeah, So, speaking of my benevolent overlord, Seth was 285 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.599 like, you know, it would be great if you could do your series, 286 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.519 you know, local to you, and if you could do some Bigfoot 287 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.119 episodes as well. And I was like, Bigfoot in southern California? What 288 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.640 are you talking about? And I had to figure that out. But as 289 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.799 I've looked into it more, you know, obviously I interviewed you for it, 290 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:55.880 Cliff, and I've interviewed money Maker and Daniel Perez and people like that. 291 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.680 As I've dug into it more, there's there seems to be almost like 292 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:06.880 an higher world of researchers that have just been completely forgotten about unless you're really 293 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.680 really into the niche. And I've been kind of wrestling with that, and 294 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.039 it's like, I don't know if it's well, let me go back. 295 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:19.920 The biggest resource I've found was a chapter in John Green's book The Apes among 296 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:26.279 Us, and I think chapter sixteen is called So Close to Hollywood, where 297 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.480 he talks about all the stuff in southern California. And you're talking about, 298 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.799 you know, the San Bernardino Mountains, the San Gabriel Mountains up into the 299 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:40.160 Tachapees, the southern Sierras, and then a little like Palamar Mountain, places 300 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:45.599 like that. But this world of researchers he talks about, they just don't 301 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:51.440 exist anymore. The groups like the Bigfoot co Op and the California Bigfoot Research 302 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:55.559 Organization, which was based out of Palmdale. Those groups don't exist anymore, 303 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.720 and there archives haven't been digitized, and I don't know if their records are 304 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:06.359 even still around, who they're with, or where they're stored. Doesn't it 305 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:11.960 Dan Press probably does have some of those things. But I have a considerable 306 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.559 archive of the Bigfoot co Op because not only was I a subscriber back in 307 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.680 the day, but since then, I've been slowly gathering my missing you know, 308 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:26.039 my missing additions or publications. Well, no way, whoa Yeah, 309 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.359 Daniel Press probably has some. I know Daniel Press has some things that I 310 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.400 really want to get a look at. Yeah, yeah, hopefully he'll he'll. 311 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.920 I know that he has the Bay Area Group's archives, for example, 312 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:41.119 Warren Thompson and all those guys. And he was saying that he after he 313 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.119 passes, after Daniel checks out, he wants to give it to Stanford. 314 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:47.039 I'm not sure that's the best use of it. I mean, I hope 315 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.119 it is. I hope that Stanford values it and everything. But without sasquatches 316 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.400 being a real animal, I just kind of see all that stuff disappearing into 317 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:57.920 their archives and sitting on a shelf somewhere at least until Discovery Day happens. 318 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.559 So but yeah, I don't know there. He does have a I've been 319 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.519 to his house several times. I consider Daniel friend. He has shared a 320 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:08.640 lot of the stuff from his archives with me, and he's let me go 321 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:12.799 through his files and stuff. He has a lot of stuff, but Daniel 322 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.680 does like he's very generous. But you need to go to Daniel and then 323 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.279 Daniel will find time to go find the stuff and then share it with you. 324 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.319 It's not one of those things you can kind of go through the archives 325 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.960 because it's at his personal residence and you know, very understandable reasons, of 326 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.960 course, but Daniel likes to go to go through it because he's got so 327 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.000 much stuff. He's like me in a way, like he's got so much 328 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.359 stuff, is not exactly sure what he has, like I have memory, 329 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.039 oh you know what, I think some and so wrote a letter to Barbara 330 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.640 Watson about this. I need to go dig it up and that could take 331 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.519 forever, so at least until it's properly archived. And I don't know if 332 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.559 Daniel's working on that at the moment, but I know we are at the 333 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.039 North American Big Foot Center. We have a archivists come in. I'm working 334 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.359 with a professional archivists in Oakland about working on this. And we have a 335 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.000 volunteer who comes in about every month or so too, and she just plows 336 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:03.240 through the stuff and I'm thinking, God, you're a goddess. You know. 337 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.759 Her name is Joanna. She's fantastic she and she just loves going through 338 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:10.160 this. To me, it'd be mind numbing, terrible work, but she 339 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:14.039 goes, oh, I'd like to be organized. So I think the most 340 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:18.519 recent episode of this Southern California Sasquatch series that you've been producing is that? 341 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.759 Is it? Am I getting the name right? The Inland Empire Sasquatch or 342 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.720 Bigfoot? Is that right? Meth Capital of the World. Okay, yeah, 343 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.519 the Inland Empire Sasquatch. That one is. Actually I did some major 344 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:37.640 digging into a case that happened. It's called Buenafoot. I was so stoked 345 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.880 you did that, by the way, because that's been sitting on the back 346 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:42.960 of my back burners for years and years and years, and my memories like 347 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.920 I remember that and then when you dug up and you dug up not only 348 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.359 the location but the witness and the evidence that was gathered there. It's like, 349 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.119 that is fantastic. I'm so I was, I'm so happy you're doing 350 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:59.200 this. And again I'm butting into talking talking over my guests, unfortunately. 351 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.200 But but one of the things I really appreciate about you, specifically, Eli, 352 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.200 is that you're one of these rare big footers that if I can't even 353 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:08.559 call you a big footer, I don't know if that's that's something you want 354 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.160 to be called. But you're one of these these rare researchers that really cares 355 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:18.720 about the history of the subject and these cold cases that were years and years 356 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.799 and decades ago. And the fact that you dug up the actual photographs from 357 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.880 this and the hand cast I blew my mind. So tell tell our tell 358 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:29.960 our audience, because a lot of our audiences are perhaps new to big foot, 359 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.079 they've only been doing it for five or ten years or something like that. 360 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:34.119 They probably have no recollection or no knowledge about this sort of thing. 361 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:38.839 So tell us tell our audience about this particular case and then the depths you 362 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.960 dug into it. Yeah. Well, first off, I want to say 363 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:48.119 I appreciate that. For me, I fancy myself as kind of a Sasquatch 364 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:55.160 historian. I just like I like history, and I like documenting the history 365 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:00.559 of researching and the cases into this into the subject. And so I found 366 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.319 out about this particular case from a guy named Todd Hale of the Olympic Project. 367 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.279 And Todd was telling me that when he was into Sasquatch in southern California, 368 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:18.119 his friend's dad, who's a guy named Dennis Rumner, was into Sasquatch 369 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:23.519 and he investigated this case out of Buena Park in back in the day nineteen 370 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:30.319 eighty two I think it was. And for months I was trying to track 371 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.640 him down and he just wasn't responding to any of my messages. And then 372 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:40.559 I don't know why we never thought about this, but Todd is still friends 373 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.000 with his friend Matt, and so we reached out to Matt. And this 374 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.640 is not moneymaker. This is Matt Rumner, Dennis Rumner's son. And so 375 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.480 Matt reached out to his dad and was like, Hey, this guy's trying 376 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.359 to interview you for a documentary. You should do it. And he was 377 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.920 like, oh, okay, I had no idea. It's like, okay, 378 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.359 all these emails and these Facebook messages, I guess he just never checked. 379 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:10.480 But so Dennis I met him. He's probably in his mid eighties now, 380 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.200 but he was actually part of the big Foot co op back in the 381 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:17.559 day and that was kind of cool. And it was him and his friend 382 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:25.759 Tom Muzilla who heard about this sasquatch being sighted in Buena Park. And I'm 383 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.759 not sure how Tom Uzilla found out about it, but they were there within 384 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.160 a few hours of it happening. But I guess as the story goes, 385 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:41.680 there's four or five young boys who witnessed this humanoid creature walking down this kind 386 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.160 of it was a creek that led into the Santa Anna River and I can't 387 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:52.200 remember what it was. I don't know what the proper term is, but 388 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.640 it's one of those typical La style rivers where there's cement like a flood control 389 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.839 almost more than anything else yet, right, right, and so, but 390 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:07.119 they witnessed it walking through there and then it dipped into a like this kind 391 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.799 of water outlet that led to somewhere else and it went in there and it 392 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.200 never came out. And it was also it happened to be next to like 393 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:22.319 a girls Catholic school and apparently there was about six little girls who also saw 394 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:27.519 this thing as well as a homeless man. And so Dennis and Tom Muzilla 395 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:33.839 went in there and to kind of see where this thing might have went because 396 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.079 it never came out, and they found in the mud they found these kind 397 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:45.319 of like huge fingerprints, and they took photographs of it. They put their 398 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.200 hands next to it for scale, and then they casted the thing, or 399 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.799 casted the best one they could find, because they found multiple imprints and it 400 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:57.000 looked like just the first three fingers and the thumb that it was kind of 401 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.920 using to stabilize itself as it walked through this tunnel. Yeah, so that 402 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.240 was pretty cool. Dennis still has the cast to this day. I include 403 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.119 some of the pictures that I took of it in the in the documentary and 404 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.519 then but the media, the news articles that I dug up to kind of 405 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:21.319 corroborate with it. The news people decided that it was a homeless man, 406 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.559 that everyone had seen a homeless man completely covered in hair, and that was 407 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.359 like six and a half feet tall. I think it's kind of interesting. 408 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.880 Well that still goes on. I mean, I investigated a sighting in two 409 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.839 thousand and eight over there by the Sandy River, and the guy who saw 410 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.440 it. I interviewed it in depth, and actually we did an episode of 411 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.559 Finding big Foot with that guy. His name was Robbie. But there were 412 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:47.960 police officers there when Robbie came back to the site with his brother immediately after 413 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.000 the sighting, and he asked the police officers about, hey, what are 414 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.480 you doing here? Are you here for the big Foot? And then they 415 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.079 go, what, no, now we're here for the naked homeless guy that 416 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.799 people are reporting or whatever. So, yeah, that that's sort of a 417 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.839 misidentification thing still does happen to stay, but even more so in Buena Park, 418 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.279 for goodness sake, because what are by nuts Berry Farm? It's like, 419 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.680 yeah, but this is nineteen eighty two, you know, And then 420 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.680 it's you can't look at went in Park in twenty twenty and then compared to 421 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.799 nineteen eighty two, that was a long time ago. And if you look 422 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.720 it up online, if you get the images from back then, yeah, 423 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.720 yeah, absolutely can't. But there were I mean, I remember driving to 424 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.799 Irvine or whatever, and it was mostly strawberry fields. And now it's like, 425 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:29.640 you know, you know, Lexus Dealerships, it has changed, the 426 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.839 change a lot. Yeah, sure has and of course even then, though, 427 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.119 even back in nineteen eighty two, that was a long ways in for 428 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.000 a sasquash to be cruising around. But you know, as you pointed out 429 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.359 in the documentary, it is very well connected to the more rural areas of 430 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.240 the San Ana River, et cetera. Right, what I wonder too, 431 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.920 is is it went into the tunnel and it never came out, and I'm 432 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.160 assuming that it opens up on a different side at some point. I don't 433 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:03.079 know if it knew that, or or if it was just went super far 434 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.599 back in there and was waiting people out. But that's something else to consider 435 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.160 too, because actually the follow up to that story was a week later, 436 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:18.640 I think Dennis got a call from a police officer who was stationed at another 437 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:25.680 kind of creek down the Santa Ana River, and he was in his police 438 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.799 cruiser. He was just kind of on break, and he heard this noise 439 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.039 from behind him, this crashing sound, and he got out of his car 440 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.319 and he looked at it and it was another one of those tunnels, like 441 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.960 the one where they found the handprints, but this one had been blocked off 442 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:48.279 with bricks, and this thing was holding a railroad tie and smashing a hole 443 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:53.359 in the brick wall, and as soon as it realized it was being watched, 444 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.599 it threw down the railroad tie and walked away. And that's from a 445 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:02.400 police officer. That's from a police officer. Yeah, And Dennis and Tom 446 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:07.440 Muzilla also investigated that one, and there's photographs of the hole in the wall 447 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.039 and stuff, and that's all in the documentary as well. But that to 448 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.640 me, it's like it wanted into that tunnel. It's like, what does 449 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.759 that mean. I found the photographs of the area where the initial encounter happened 450 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.519 to be very impressive as well, because you know people say, oh, 451 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.200 it's a flood controls all summit. No, it's it's actually you know, 452 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.519 pretty pretty thick with with with brush and whatever else. You know, as 453 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.599 they'd get in southern California from the silt washing down from the woods, you 454 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:36.240 know, things start growing in it and whatever. Yeah, the historical photographs 455 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.839 that you tracked down for this episode of just are fantastic. It was so 456 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:44.720 cool to see that stuff. Well, that's all credit to Dennis Rumner because 457 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.240 he is one of those people who I envy him in some ways because he 458 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.079 was like, yeah, the Bigfoot thing was cool for five ten years, 459 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:57.200 and then I just decided I didn't want to do it anymore. It's like, 460 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.279 that's amazing, Well can you found that? I mean, you're in 461 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.720 southern California, where those guys are at. You're not. It's not like 462 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.920 being on the Olympic Peninsula. We're gonna get fresh material every week. It's 463 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.519 like every couple of years something pops up. Probably you know, sure, 464 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.599 sure, But for having been involved with it for such a short amount of 465 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:25.240 time, he did an incredible amount of documentation and honestly more document more documentation 466 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.440 than some people do nowadays. And that was back in the nineteen eighties when 467 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.400 everything was shot on film and he was developing the film and then preserving the 468 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.799 photographs and stuff. And it's like now you could just take a lot of 469 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.240 photos on your phone and people don't even do that. Stay tuned for more 470 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.519 Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. 471 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.680 So what you spend some time up in Big Bear. It looks like 472 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.319 as well, I remember, right, you tried to get into Deep Creek 473 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.119 but you couldn't. Yeah, I tried to get into Deep Creek and that 474 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:07.039 was I found out about Deep Creek through money Maker and yourself, Cliff and 475 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:12.400 try to get in. And it was the weekend after that hurricane. The 476 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:17.480 tropical storm came through and I'm I'm thinking that the dirt road to get in 477 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.720 was all washed out, and you have like a Prius or something. I 478 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:28.000 have a little Toyota Corolla that's two wheel drive. And me and my brother 479 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:34.079 try to go to this other campground that's called Crab Flats and that's that's actually 480 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:39.200 above Deep Creek. And I tried to get in there and the road was 481 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.319 so rough, like thirty feet in. I was like, I don't want 482 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.559 to get stuck here. I really don't want to get stuck here, So 483 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.519 I had to turn back. I want to go back with a four wheel 484 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.440 drive vehicle because that's what I'm gonna need. But yeah, it's a pretty 485 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.480 rough terrain and a lot of people maybe listening to our podcasts, they really 486 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:07.000 cannot understand the how remote and difficult the Southern California Mountains really are. To 487 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.119 put in perspective for people, I mean, the Southern California Mountains were some 488 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:14.839 of the last holdouts of the of the grizzly bear in California because it is 489 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.720 so food rich and so difficult to get into. The early pioneers complained about 490 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.960 it because it's all chaparral. They said, the stuff is too thick and 491 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.680 thorny to go through, but too tall to sea over, so you're just 492 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.279 stuck almost wherever you go there. It is tick ridden. There's rattle snakes, 493 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:37.519 The altitude changes precipitous. It's it's a dangerous, dangerous place and people. 494 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.400 Eli High is not for having one of the like for search and rescues 495 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.720 known amongst like the search and rescue groups like that's Eli Highs are the gnarliest 496 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.519 places you can go in the lower forty eight really. Yeah. And of 497 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.519 course there's wilderness areas, like legit wilderness areas, quite a few of them 498 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.440 out there. Yeah. And and the smattering of sasquatch reports over the years. 499 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.519 It's very very interesting. I got I had a video tape, but 500 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.759 not video. I had thermal image footage that sent to me by a Boarder 501 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.960 patrol agent, like right when the show came on, like so like two 502 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.360 thousand and eleven, probably two thousand and twelve, and it's buried in my 503 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:22.480 the it's buried in my Facebook messages from like, you know, I've had 504 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.360 like over one hundred, way over one hundred thousand messages since then, and 505 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.639 I don't know, how do you have to dig that stuff out? Eli, 506 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.079 Yeah, you can search your Facebook messages if you remember some of the 507 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:37.039 words that he said in his message, or if you remember the dude's name, 508 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:42.719 Yeah, it should. It showed a group of people walking like five 509 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.280 or six I guess it was a coyote leading a like a you know, 510 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.920 it's five six people whatever, and behind them and they're all, you know 511 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.679 whatever. You figure it's the average sized person secret huse. The board is 512 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.760 probably you know, five foot to six foot and behind them this thing is 513 00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:04.000 nine foot about my foot ten foot, they estimated. And they had it 514 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.639 on film for a good forty five fifty seconds. Sent me a clip it 515 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.320 had had. I didn't post it because it had all the like, it 516 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.320 had all this it looked like looking at like a fighter jet when they had 517 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:20.480 like their stuff, you know, all the time and longitude, latitude coordinates, 518 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.920 the date at the time, and it would have just totally identified the 519 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.840 officer and like, you know, like he's letting out this he can lose 520 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.719 his job for looking that outside. Then we were back on the road and 521 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.000 I was getting so many messages because he had to keep going back. And 522 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.039 I remember that when I was when i'd searched for it. At that point, 523 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.000 I had thousands of messages in between. Every time I got a new 524 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.199 message, like someone would write me back in the middle. I'd searched in 525 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.920 the middle of the night specifically so I wouldn't get interrupted, but I'd get 526 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.079 it like a random message, and it would kick me back to the very 527 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.719 first message, and I like load through for like hours to get back through 528 00:35:54.760 --> 00:36:00.079 like hundreds and hundreds of messages, and I just got so barrious. I 529 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.760 was like, well, some i'll I'll be able to figure it out how 530 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.599 to dig it up, and then never did. Dang, I would love 531 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.880 to see that. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean it's not detail, 532 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.000 it's just they're just glowing blips. And I mean, well, you can 533 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.400 see their upright bipedal figures, but you can't see like any definition or anything 534 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.599 like. You just see that. You see the arms a little bit and 535 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.000 the legs a little bit, but it's supposed to the solid up looking blurs. 536 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:31.039 Sure. Yeah, thermal technology has improved a lot since then, especially 537 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.320 stuff that you know that the FEDS have. Oh I'm sure. Yeah. 538 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.199 But I was even out with the Olympic project not too long ago, filming 539 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:46.639 another project and they just got all new thermal equipment and it's I was probably 540 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.559 two hundred yards away in the woods and you could see my hat I was 541 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.400 wearing in the jacket I was wearing, and I was like, WHOA, 542 00:36:54.639 --> 00:37:00.599 that's pretty intense thermal detail. Yeah. I'm actually pretty stoked about that one, 543 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:07.559 because I needed something stylistically different, you know, because mysteries and monsters, 544 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.440 I try to channel that in search of energy, and I have a 545 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.920 pretty hokey looking bigfoot suit and oh it's terrible. Yeah yeah you want you 546 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:20.639 don't want to get one? And said, people accuse your cheating exactly exactly. 547 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.800 Those are wise choice. I thought it was funny. Personally, I 548 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:23.920 liked it. Oh, I love it. I love it, you know, 549 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:29.519 And that's what I wanted. I wanted no CGI in my series. 550 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:35.480 I wanted it to be like these live action, practical recreations. So even 551 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.880 my UFO episodes, I'm using miniatures and I'm compositing the images together and It's 552 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.519 been a lot of fun, and it all looks super cheesy. People have 553 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.840 commented that it looks like they say, oh, your budget must be like 554 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.760 lunchbox money, and I'm like, I don't know, it's it's intentional and 555 00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:00.159 I like it. But the Road to Discovery is a totally different tape on 556 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:07.960 a documentary, and I wanted to ask the harder questions of bigfoot researchers, 557 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.239 which is like, why are you even looking for bigfoot in the first place? 558 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.599 What value does it hold in your life? Do you do you feel 559 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.280 like it's going to change the public's perception on things? Or I mean, 560 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.840 and just boil down to it, you know, like if Bigfoot was found 561 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:27.760 today, would you still go out and look for it tomorrow? That that 562 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.840 type of thing. So I'm kind of excited about that one. And you're 563 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.960 filming that now, And is this going to be another weekly thing or that 564 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.239 you're trying to pump out or what. No, it'll be a six episode 565 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:44.079 series and there might be a season two, but depending on how season one 566 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.519 goes, right, but it'll be a six episode series. Now, when 567 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.119 when can we expect to see that? November is when the first episode will 568 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.119 be coming out. Oh gosh, that's fast. Yeah, I know. 569 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.880 Yeah, not to tell you that I mean to get under the gun here, 570 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.440 man. So it'll be it'll be once a month though, so the 571 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.519 episodes it won't be too bad. So November it will be the first episode, 572 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.119 December the second, and then into April of next year is when it 573 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.000 will be over. But you can breathe deep and just do your regular one 574 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.880 a week. Yeah, it's cool. I'm excited. I try to make 575 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.159 every project as different as possible, and so I was like, well, 576 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:30.880 how do you go from a fun in search of style historically investigative style documentary? 577 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.559 And I was like, oh, well, you take Warren or Hertzog 578 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.199 and give him the sasquatch subject. So I have to admit i'm you know 579 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:38.199 me, man, I don't watch any big foot stuff at all, you 580 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:43.199 know. And I sat down and I watched the episode four The Inland Empire 581 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.280 Sasquatch the other day, so I hear, oh, ELI is gonna come 582 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.599 on, I'm gonna at least do this for the guy, right, But 583 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.800 I didn't. I didn't watch one, two or three. What are some 584 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.119 of the cases that you investigated in one, two and three? Just to 585 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.079 give me a little bit of background for the series here. Well, the 586 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:01.840 first one is called The Legend of the Southern California's sask Watch. That one 587 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:09.360 introduces just the kind of terrain, the landscape of southern California. I dig 588 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:15.880 deep into the grizzly bear aspect of the story. How much Southern California has 589 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.119 changed, specifically, not just in the past forty years, but in the 590 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:27.000 past one hundred years. It's virtually almost completely different. And I talked about 591 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.639 some stuff from the San Bernardinos, some stuff from San Diego County. It 592 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:36.159 kind of touches on a bunch of little stuff. And then the second one 593 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:42.320 was The Sasquatch of the Southern Sierras, which focused on me going to the 594 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:47.239 Southern Sierras with Matt Moneymaker Lucky. And that was on a BFRO expedition, 595 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.719 wasn't it. It actually was, Yeah, But so that was my first 596 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.559 BFR expedition. It's funny because I called Matt and I asked him, I 597 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.000 said, Hey, I'm doing this series on Southern californ and I would be 598 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:05.719 interested in interviewing you. And he goes, there's a BFO expedition in November 599 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:15.440 if you drive me to it, I'll let you go. You're so lucky. 600 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.800 How hard you laugh on that trip? Oh dude, it was. 601 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.840 It was a trip because I live about an hour away from Matt, so 602 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.639 I picked him up and it was a five hour drive to our location. 603 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.960 And that's baptism by fire man. Dude. I know, I don't mind 604 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.480 you. I love me some Matt Moneymaker, I really do. But I 605 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.079 mean, for the uninitiated man, he's kind of like a harsh whiskey, 606 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.559 you know, he said, takes a little bit of getting used to before 607 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:42.760 you get a lot of pleasure and joy out of it. And of course 608 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.599 most people only know him from the episodes of Finding Bigfoot or whatever, and 609 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.800 they just rub him the wrong way for whatever reason. I don't think that 610 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.199 I'm saying anything Matt would disagree with at this point. Now, the more 611 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.480 you know him, the more you love him. Yeah, yeah, Matt. 612 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.440 Matt is actually a very generous, very intelligent, very kind person, 613 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.400 even though he doesn't necessarily come across that way from the edits of Finding Bigfoot. 614 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.039 So best conversations whatever, Oh yeah, and it knows a little bit 615 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.400 about everything. There's a lot about everything, or yeah, yeah, well 616 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.119 he knows actually a little bit about everything or more. Yeah. So yeah, 617 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.119 so that that must have been just like a sun burning experience for you. 618 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:19.400 No, I quite enjoyed it. I mean, oh yeah, he's 619 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.639 great. He's great. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, 620 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:28.400 so many characters on on these trips, you know, it's like, uh 621 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.480 geez, But Matt Moneymaker is definitely one of my favorite people I've met. 622 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.280 So I'm pretty stoked. And and you know what too is like like we 623 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.440 were talking about the he didn't know how to feel about my production, and 624 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.320 I think that five hour road trip of me driving and us just getting to 625 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:54.840 know each other for that period of time, it it opened the door and 626 00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.719 he was he was very fond of me by the end of that trip and 627 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.880 fully supportive of the documentary. So I like it a lot better just talking 628 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:10.039 to it for the last five minutes. Thanks for Well. Matt's been burned 629 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.119 so many times. He's been in the game a long time since the eighties, 630 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.159 you know, and he's been burned by so many people talking behind his 631 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:20.960 back and saying thing and just like so he I can see why he made. 632 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.760 He may be slow to trust, but yeah, and once you're in 633 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.719 though, like you know. Yeah, so that was fun. Oh, 634 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.000 I guess continuing what I was talking about. The third episode of the series 635 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.280 was Bigfoot at the Border, and that one features the incredible Matt Pruett talking 636 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:44.559 about the Zoobies case. Yeah. I thought maybe we could talk a little 637 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.519 bit about the Zoobies case in our in our members section and in just a 638 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.480 little while, if you can stick around for that, but very briefly, 639 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:54.320 maybe you can tell us, just like you know, the Reader's Digest version 640 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.360 of the Zoobies case, and we can go a little bit more in depth. 641 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.039 Because Pruett here was he's been on the property, He've interviewed folks, 642 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.760 he knows all about it, and I think that'd be a really interesting case 643 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.840 to do a deep dive in for the members section. But but for our 644 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.280 regular listeners who may not know what that case is, why don't you tell 645 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.480 us about that for a moment. Yeah, So the Zoobi's case is, 646 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:20.079 just in a nutshell, is a man and his family bought this home in 647 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:29.119 Alpine, California, and shortly thereafter we're having experiences, repeat experiences with a 648 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:35.440 group of sasquatch on his property. As many as three is what he reported 649 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.679 seeing at one time, So gotcha? Got And how long did that that 650 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:43.320 case go on? I'm actually not sure. A couple of years. It 651 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.400 happened in the seventies, and as far as I know, there seemed to 652 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:53.719 be a rotation of researchers looking into the case, but no one ever stuck 653 00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:00.239 around to see how it ended. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and b On 654 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:08.719 with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. So that's 655 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.719 the third of the series and we've we've talked to some depth in the fourth 656 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.079 of the series. Is there are there five? And six? Are you 657 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.440 doing more of these things? Aren't gonna be coming out soon? Yeah? 658 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.639 I will, I will. Eventually. We're gonna be going on a seasonal 659 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.159 break here after October. I'll be doing one more episode in October, not 660 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:32.280 about Sasquatch. It's actually actually going to be my first dog Man episode. 661 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.880 Is that a southern California thing too? Or is it somewhere else? No, 662 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:43.440 it's actually Wisconsin. So weird story and how that one came together as 663 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:50.239 Actually I interviewed Doug Hicheck for something and Seth was like, hey, you 664 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.440 need to do more than just interview Doug, and I was like, okay, 665 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.960 and I had a contact in Wisconsin and we kind of worked it up. 666 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.239 I interviewed a bunch of people about dog Man out there, and so 667 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:06.639 I'll finally in December of last year, and so I'll finally be putting all 668 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.679 of that together just in time for Halloween. You were doing interviews driving around 669 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:16.280 Wisconsin in December. Yeah, was it pretty brutal. It was very cold, 670 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:22.400 that's for sure. I mean it was maybe fifteen degrees and I'm freezing 671 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.440 and everyone's like, oh, dude, it's actually pretty warm. And I'm 672 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.440 like, yeah, warm for you, not warm for me. You know, 673 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.280 I got something when you go back there, if you go see or 674 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.320 maybe actually called Seth. I just got an email yesterday, like frantic, 675 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:43.599 like she was just freaking out. She was at her place in Ohio and 676 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.119 it's just right up in one of the last rows, goes into like the 677 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:52.840 Hawking Hills, and she hurts the weirdest screaming sounding like crazy sound. She 678 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.199 thought it was like a Bobcat's fighting or something, but just sounded different. 679 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.480 And she went out there. When she round at the corner of the house, 680 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.599 go into the backyard that was in the wood into the woods. She 681 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.880 got beaned in the face like super hard by a red rubber ball, and 682 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.199 she's laying on the ground. She heard like like like a cackling sound or 683 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.400 something, and she looks up and there was a dog man hanging by one 684 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.440 arm from the tree looking at her at the woodline. I just passed it 685 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.639 on the b mill. It's just to see if it could possibly be a 686 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.800 she wanted, you know, just contact her to it could be a big 687 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.239 foot thing at all, or if it was just not a her wheelhouse. 688 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.079 But yeah, I mean that's something fresh at least, that's just you know, 689 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.039 two days ago. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what 690 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.800 to make of the whole dog man thing. So it's just it's a phenomenal, 691 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.880 dude, No one really can't. I mean, it's just it's a 692 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.719 phenomenal people report and some of the people are trustworthy, So it's just it's 693 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.840 just a it's a it's just a mind blower, you know, Like you 694 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.800 can't. I mean, we can. We just don't have the information to 695 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.599 wrap her. We don't have the technology to observe these whatever. Whatever the 696 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:57.679 phenomena is, like sure. Yeah. So anyways, hey have you so? 697 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.719 Did you ever look into that footage where that guy was catching live on 698 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.719 like Facebook live whatever and the thing ran through the backyard. It's like a 699 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.239 pictelated looking, blurry upright thing. Suppose like a nine ten foot dog about 700 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.320 you looked into that one? No, I haven't. No, that's kind 701 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.840 of like the most famous one I know about. No. I was on 702 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:24.760 the Navajo reservation earlier this year and I was given a video file. I'll 703 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.320 end up using this in a documentary at some point down the line. And 704 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.280 I don't know what to make of this footage. But they didn't have like 705 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.280 a game cam. They were having stuff happened in their backyard, so they 706 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:45.800 set up a camera with the infrared in their backyard and this dog is like 707 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.239 running through their backyard. And the weird thing is that it doesn't have a 708 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.679 head. It looks exactly like a dog's body, and it's running through the 709 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:58.719 yard and then it floats up into the air, gonna just be a pug 710 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:04.239 with gas. I don't know, man, it's freaky, Like, I 711 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.039 don't know what to make of it. Cliff, It's you got It's down 712 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.119 Fruitland, right. We did Brenda Harris one. Yeah, it was Brenda 713 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.280 Harris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we seen a cliff Okay, I 714 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:15.480 don't remember that one. I don't remember that one, but I do love 715 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:20.159 Brenda. She's great. Yeah, yeah she is, Yeah, very very 716 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.800 helpful, great resources down there has repulse in the community. That's how that's 717 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.920 how she came on the radar was because of that video. Oh really, 718 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.519 I'm kidding. Yeah, well it sounds awesome. Yeah, yeah it is. 719 00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:37.639 I'm looking forward to, uh getting back to the PNW more next year. 720 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:45.039 Every time I get burnt out on the Sasquatch subject or something, I 721 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.280 seem to end up back in the Pacific Northwest and everything is revitalized in me. 722 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.119 That's certainly what happened last time. You live in Los Angeles, and 723 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.320 as you said, as a way of beating the life out of you down 724 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.800 there and just sucking your soul. Pacific Northwest is a great place to get 725 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.880 revitalized, as you say, yeah, it really is. Plus, visiting 726 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.199 your museum is one of my favorite places in the world. So oh, 727 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.800 thanks, thanks. It'll be all sorts of new stuff by the time you 728 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:16.159 come back to Oh, I'm excited. I'm excited. The picture. I 729 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:20.800 love to show this to people when people ask me about sasquatch, and people 730 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:22.320 always talk about how big these things are. And you know, people, 731 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.079 oh, nine feet tall. And I took a picture of my dad standing 732 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.199 in front of Murphy back in the day, and my dad's six foot three, 733 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:34.199 very large dude. You know, he's He's not like a six foot 734 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.239 three lanky person. He's a six foot three large person and standing in front 735 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:44.440 of Murphy, who's seven a half feet and it's just you get the idea 736 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.800 of how much bigger these things are. Just their sheer mass is often underestimated. 737 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.280 I think, So, Eli, if you wouldn't mind sticking around for 738 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.679 our member section, we'd really appreciate it. We can do a little deep 739 00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.760 dive with Matt Prude into the Zoobie thing, learn a little bit more about 740 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.880 that certain case and some other interesting things that you've dug up historically speaking. 741 00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.239 But in the meantime, even though all these things are going to be in 742 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:08.599 the show notes below, so if you're on your computer or something, you 743 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.679 just click the link. For people driving, where can they find out more 744 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:16.119 about what you're doing and keep up on what Eli is up to. Sure 745 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:21.840 I guess the easiest way. My series is on the small Town Monsters YouTube 746 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.039 channels. So if you go to YouTube, type in small Town Monsters and 747 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.760 if you click on the channel, go to playlists, you'll find Mysteries and 748 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:36.960 Monsters all their listed together, so that in order as they've been released, 749 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:42.519 So that kind of helps out. But you can also find me on social 750 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:46.039 media as well. That's just my name, that Eli Watson as well. 751 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:52.400 Yeah, and I've been reminded that the playlist will be linked in these show 752 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.599 notes of this episode. Okay, very good man. Well, we really 753 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.159 appreciate it. We'll really appreciate you hanging out with us and tell us about 754 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:02.079 what's going on. And I really do appreciate your the depth and the historical 755 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:07.119 perspective that you bring to the work that you're doing. I think that that 756 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.719 stuff is lost on a lot of modern day big footers who came into it 757 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:14.039 with finding big Foot or something like that. They don't realize whose shoulders were 758 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:15.599 standing upon. And I think that's one of the most important things you can 759 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:21.760 do as a bigfoot researcher is look at those who came before you, because 760 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.480 we have there's a lot there and I've said it several times over the last 761 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.760 say, maybe six months. Every time I go in and I brush off 762 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.199 the dust of one of these cold cases, more stuff is revealed, and 763 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.760 you're doing that work and putting it out publicly. Thank you very much for 764 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:39.280 that, and also thank you for coming on big Foot and Beyond with me 765 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.679 and that other guy. Thanks for having me. Thanks Bobs. You want 766 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.840 to take us out of here? He didn't say you're welcome. Oh, 767 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:52.719 you're welcome. Where's your manners? Boy? Kids today? Man kids today? 768 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.400 Sit xers? Anyways? All right, well cool, Thanks Eli. 769 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.880 We'll talk to you in the member section here coming up, and tell our 770 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:09.119 listeners out there, thank you very much and keep it squatching. Thanks for 771 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:14.159 listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. 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