Hello, and welcome to Open Minds UFO Radio. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and I have with me Martin UFO dude, Willis. Wow,
I feel gratitude for that. Oh you like me in the UFO dude.
Yeah, you know, maybe more privately, even you know out there
in my field of uh of what I normally do. Oh, that's a
good question. See, because you you do antiques appraisals, which is of
course, so you go into these literally multi million dollar mansions or at times
these homes filled with historic artifacts collected by millionaires. I know you can't reveal
some of these people, probably billionaires in some cases. So that's kind of
an interesting group. So and then here you are the closet UFO dude.
Has it ever been an issue? Have you ever like been outed or had
an embarrassing UFO moment? I have, Well, I did mention on my
show. At one point I had a I did have a very very well
suited job. It was a part time job worth really high pay and for
what I was doing and only three days a week and basically representing a major
auction house. And I heard rumor after they It's really the only time in
my entire life that I've ever been let go of a job ever, and
it was just say they just said that there wasn't enough business and there was
a layoff type of situation anyway, So I found out through a colleague that
worked there. Afterwards, they said, in a roundabout way, you probably
shouldn't have things out there on the internet about you and your your other hobbies.
And I said the UFOs and they said, yeah, it's probably not
a good idea. So I can't say for sure if that is what happened,
but I will tell you that a few times out there in the job,
even in a couple of really nice homes, somehow I felt comfortable with
the people there and said, I also do something pretty you know. They
said, you must really love what you do, and I do. I
do really love what I do, and they said something. Well, I
felt comfortable enough to say, well, I also do something rather esoteric,
and that's the subject of UFOs. And I will tell you that one person
said they started to listen to my show, so contacted me. He said,
they're listening and they find it fascinating. And so I don't think it
always, you know, is a negative thing out there, but I don't
really talk about it in that, you know, in that field too much.
M hmm. Interesting, but you're you're kind of then careful. You're
like this double agent with the secret when you're going in in these places.
I know that's right. Well that's cool. Yeah, yeah, I didn't
realize that so much. But yeah, so we have a good show.
I should tell you who my guest is today. It is Ryan Sprague.
You may recognize him if you've saw the which I told you guys to watch.
It was your homework to go watch on the CW Roswell Mysteries Decoded,
which is a show that I was a consultant producer on, so I helped
them. Actually I helped really kind of guide the overall content and Ryan was
the host in it, so I had a part in getting to choose,
you know, the talent. So that was really cool. So Ryan Sprague
is in the show we're going to talk about. We actually got to do
a lot of catching up on some of we haven't This is the first time
we've talked after the show aired, so we got to talk about what we
thought of the show, maybe things that got left out that we thought were
interesting and in fact you know, one big point for me was to get
across the fact that Roswell was a cover up. We know this by fact
the airport has even at the airport, the Air Force has even told in
their first report on Roswell, it says in there that the weather balloon was
a cover up story. Of course, they did not say it was aliens,
so I'm not saying it was definitively aliens, but we know there was
a cover up. Why is that important? Because you know, people who
believe in this cover up or that there's some sort of conspiracy with Roswell are
often ridiculed even in the mainstream media. And it demonstrates how the Air Force
often creates their own problem in the UFO topic and others when they are deceptive,
which unfortunately often they are. They feel often that it's easier it's better
to lie to keep certain secrets than to tell the truth. And sometimes they
may be lying to not necessarily cover up aliens, but it still creates this
perception that there's some major secrets or something going on. So they kind of
create their own problem. And so that's why I felt that was important,
something important to show. And then two avenues of investigation, ongoing investigation in
the Roswell case, or the other things that we took a look at.
And I feel that's important because just to show the case is not closed.
There are still some avenues where discoveries, potentially bombshell discoveries could be made.
So it's still an open case. And that's why it's relevant to this day
because some people ask, I'm still he tired of hearing about Rosewell? What
we hear about Rosewell? Well, because something important could potentially be discovered at
any moment, and we show you on the show two areas of investigation where
that could be the case. So wow, well there's maybe only like one
or two living witnesses are left at this point. You know. One of
the questions I've always had about Roswell is after mac Brasel found the debris,
and and why did the Army Air Force say anything at all? They could
have just kept it quiet, and you know, for them to come out
and say, you know disc found or you know, crash disc found,
whatever it was, the flying saucer, why did they do that? That
is the biggest question mark I have about Roswell. I mean, it doesn't
make any sense. I think you make it, make it go away.
Yeah, you make a great point. They created again their own problem.
But that's what's really compelling because besides being a cover up, they're the ones
who released the press release that said we found a flying disc. So why
did they do that? The person in charge was a colonel I can't remember
his name right now, Blanchard, Colonel Blanchard at the base. It was
he who ordered the press officer to send out that press release. So some
people have wondered, well, did he get in trouble for it? No,
there's no indication that he got in trouble. Not only that he continued
on to have a very successful career. And if I'm not mistaken, he
actually retired a general so he Yeah, so he was an important person.
In fact, I'm looking that up to yeah, William Blanchard myself. Yeah
he actually, uh yeah, I was trying to look for you too here.
Yeah, he retired in general your career, Yeah, so Inspector Jim
Vance. That's that is pretty That's another curious thing, is Yeah, so
he didn't get in trouble for putting that out, even though obviously has caused
him some headache. Now again, once again, you know, to remind
people. The day after they released that press release, they released another one
with these photos of of Roger Raimia General his superior officer, with weather balloon
material and Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who found the material. They took
photoshop or photos with this weather balloon, and that was sent to the press
that oops, we made a mistake. It was just a weather balloon.
And then the story was gone, and it wasn't a story until about nineteen
eighty when the first book came out. Then it started to become popular.
So you know, during that time is when Blancher's career progressed, and so
it didn't really wasn't a big problem for them at the time. But yeah,
he didn't get in trouble for that and his career continued. So that's
I think another really compelling part of the mystery. If that didn't happen,
if they wouldn't have sent that press release. Really in the late seventies,
it was Jesse Marshall's testimony that broke the story open. So it would still
be a story, but it might not be as big of a story now
if that press release hadn't had happened, because that's a very spelling piece.
Yeah. Yeah, and that makes it carry on, you know, when
you can look back and actually see that. Yeah, that's a really good
point. It's a really good point. What do you think aliens at Roswell
on the spot? Wow? You really did aliens? Huh hmm. Yeah,
I don't know. You know, I've heard so many arguments and interesting
ones too that I just I just don't know. You know, the part
about the caskets and the small bodies and stuff like that, all that stuff
is really compelling if it's true. Well, I have a story out about
that actually that just came out like yesterday. This is related to the Roswell
New Mexico television show, and so I wrote this for Denn of Geek and
saying, hey, you know Roswell, this new show on CW is referring
to, you know, aspects of the real UFO incident in Roswell. And
essentially the gist of the story is how did Roswell get its alien reputation?
So I look at why do people think there are aliens? And we know
why they think there's a crashed UFO, But what about this body thing?
So I get into that and I got to say the alien stuff is much
more dubious, but there actually is a little bit of room for investigation there
too. Well. You know, as as mentioned many times, the fact
that the Air Force said later that it was crashed test stummies. I mean
they could have just said no, they didn't have to admit anything. And
of course the crash test dummies came out years later. They didn't even have
them in nineteen forty seven. And you know, it's just another situation where
it's very it's very obvious. It's a cover up, yeah, of something
what I don't know, and we may never know. I think the records
could be lost and gone. We may never get official records. That's why
some scientific investigation or more forensic sorts of investigation may prove to be the avenue
that shows us more. And that's kind of what we're showing in the show.
So yeah, people have to check that out. But why don't we
go ahead and get into UFO news for the week. What do you got
for Bete? Well, I think this is really interesting and this is about
Harry Reid, Yes, yeah, And the title is Harry Reid is pushing
for more UFO research. This is on a website called roll Call, and
it is really interesting. So former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is lobbying his
former colleagues he's retired to do more study of identified unidentified flying and here's a
quote from him. I personally don't know if there exists little Green men or
other places. I kind of doubt that, but I do believe that the
information we have indicates we should do a lot more study. So he also
says another quote here, we have hundreds and hundreds of people that have seen
the same thing, something in the sky. It moves a certain way.
And uh, this was from an interview on k n p R. So
actually this was he was calling someone right after that. He said he was
going to call a member of the Senate and an hour or two after this
interview, and that he wanted them to actually really, you know, look
into this. And they speculate in this article that it might be the minority
whip, Richard J. Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois, and he is
the ranking member of the Defense Appropriation Subcommittee. So another quote here is what
we have found in the past is that these pilots, when they see something
strange like this, they're prone not to report it for fear that the bosses
will think something's wrong with them and they won't get a promotion. He said,
so many times, they don't say a word to anybody about these strange
things. Good point, hi, isn't it. I think that is an
excellent point. You know, That's a point that I make all of the
time. And you know it kind of is counter to this argument of the
Grand Conspiracy, because what I find, and I think what many others find
when they actually talk to military witnesses, is exactly what Harry Reid just said.
You know, a lot of people are too shy, they don't want
to report it, and I think they I've heard Mark D'Antonio uses this term
nate log it and dog it, meaning you know, make a note,
but forget about it. We won't do anything with it. And so that
makes a lot of sense. Even in this NIMTZ report, this one that
was leaked by George Knapp, that was written by the military for the military,
they talk about the extreme ridicule these pilots faced when they when they landed
back aboard the NIMTS aircraft carrier after essentially chasing a UFO. I think it's
you know, this immature, kind of macho thing that guys do. I
mean, you're not going to see people tease each other more than in police
stations, fire stations in the military, and I think it's kind of it's
kind of like a bonding thing for guys, but it gets kind of it
gets to the point where when people are uncomfortable with stuff, they just kind
of make fun of it as opposed to taking it seriously. And so you
can see some people were very upset, some of the pilots, even from
the ridicule they faced in the Nimetz thing. And so that's an example of
I don't want to face that kind of ridicule. I'm not saying anything.
And I think that's what happens so much, which hampers this information gathering and
then limits the amount of information the government may have then if they're not really
getting good reporting, right, Yeah, right, very interesting. I listened
recently to another David Fraber's interview on a on a fighter's a uh what's it
called. I'm trying to make the Fighter Pilots podcast, and so he was
in a whole different forum talking about this sighting. He was talking to another
a pilot and uh that you know, was totally skeptical of UFOs and it
made for a very good interview. It was really interesting to listen to.
And he did talk a little bit about uh, you know, more or
less the locker room talk about it afterwards. But how many times he was
contacted and and then he you know, the more recent contact that he has
had and since that article came out, you know, December of last year,
he has been contacted by everyone around the world. It's it's pretty crazy.
His mailbox is full all the time and and people call all the time.
And yeah, so a lots changed for him. Yeah. Wow,
Yeah, that's pretty cool, pretty interesting. Yeah, that that and it's
really cool that these pilots had him on to talk about this, Yeah,
because I think it demonstrates what we do also here over and over again,
is that pilots and people in aviation are very interested in the UFO NOMA.
They just don't share it. They don't They try to keep that kind of
hidden for credibility issues and stuff. Again the same issue. Really Yeah,
so that really has a big effect. And I think, you know,
maybe we are seeing a slight change in that. I hope we are.
And uh, you know, maybe Harry Reid can actually help a little bit
with that as well if people listen to them. M h. I hope
so as well. And I gotta let people know just to plug it,
because I think it's a really good resource that. You know, we have
our Open Mind UFO news group on Facebook. It's a closed group, but
you just have to ask to join and we'll join you. It's really close,
so we can kick people out, and but we don't do that arbitrarily,
just to kick people out that don't have a similar opinion. Uh,
it's just people who are being mean. You know, that's not conducive to
a good conversation. We just want to keep conversation flowing and more than welcome.
And there's a lot of debate that goes on, including people who have
different views than I do. But uh, you know, as long as
we can debate civilly, you know, whatever your view is, it's fair
to have an opinion and to be respected for that and uh, and to
be able to discuss respectfully and disagree respectfully. So yeah, I find it
very good. Actually, there's some real thinkers on that Uh, there are
on that Facebook page. That's another big advantages it's a good little think tank
to bounce things against. And uh, and it's fun topics like lazare because
there's so many people on either side and so you have these interesting discussions on
either side going on. Uh huh, So you got another story, Well,
I do want to talk a little bit about something that came up on
your on your Facebook page that we're talking about, and that's uh, this
is from filmmakers that presented this on YouTube raw Footage, and it's titled raw
Footage which finally released of exclusive jaw Dropping UFO and uh, it really is
quite compelling. Is that the Utah One? What's that? Is that the
Utah One? Yeah? Yes, yeah, Antonio, being the great guy
he is, he actually came up with this really good, you know,
explanation for it that makes total sense, and that is a hawk or a
falcon is chasing a drone And huh. I've had people contact me in there
that they say, you know what, I've watched this thing for it three
or four times, and I think Mark is right. He said, I
hate to admit it, but Mark is right. Well that's how I feel
every time, But you know, every time, that's how it turns out.
I'm that got been able to get him. There's maybe one that I'm
not so sure or no, there there are a couple that I'm not so
sure, But for the vast majority, it is like, I hate to
admit it, but I think he's right. I did not see that,
because I did comment on that, and I said, oh, man,
I can't wait till till Mark takes a look at this to see what he
thinks, because I thought it was interesting video and was curious because you definitely
see an object zipping through and it makes a turn, and it is a
drone that is capturing this this footage. So yeah, that's an interesting possibility,
I think, especially because this thing is small and towards the ground.
Yeah, not that high in elevation, right right, This is you know,
the end of his conclusion here is as the object passes the camera,
it would be fairly close to the camera. A hawk or falcon could be
missed until review, rather than easily in other words, up the person filming
may not have actually seen it at the time, you know. And at
the very end, he says, I'm not debunking here, just offering a
cautionary note, but I do believe he's right on this one. Yeah.
Interesting. You know on a note too of the UFO group is there's a
couple pieces at least. Yeah, well, there's a couple things that you're
going to find there that are not necessarily in the mainstream news, although one
is, but this one's not. And this is the kind of thing you
can find too, because mostly I tried to stick to news items. I
mean, it's called that's what it's for. But people do discuss other things
or posts like videos that are interesting like that. But this is a good
one from the website UFO Scientific Research Keith Basterfield, and he's got this article
documents located from that nineteen fifty five secret UAP study by Douglas Aircraft Company.
So this is very interesting a UFO investigation that was conducted by Douglas Aircraft Company.
And he's got a story on that with all the documents linked in there
and shown for you. So, yeah, this is really interesting. I
haven't had a chance to go through it, but I know he's a great
researcher, and so that's something you can find on there, and you can
also find I'm looking here through it the discussion where Larry King had Bob Lazar
and Jeremy corbel on recently. So, Larry King, you may not be
aware of still doing a show. I don't know, if it's just YouTube
based what I had no idea, Yeah until I saw that. Yeah,
I always liked his attitude about UFOs. He really had a fascination with it.
Yeah. Yeah, pretty cool. So that also happened in the last
week. So there's always some interesting movement and some interesting things going on.
Huh, that's right. That's the world we live in today, sir,
that is the world we live in. So that's it for news, I
guess unless you have something else that you could talk about in about thirty seconds,
Uh, you know, nothing that I can think of. I did
watch the movie that you have that you're talking about here, the Roswell What
is it called Decoded? Yeah, Mysteries Decoded. Mysteries Decoded, and I
thought it was pretty well done. It was very interesting and I found out
some things by watching it that I had not known before, So it's definitely
worth watching. Good if you haven't watched it yet, that is good to
know that you learned something you didn't know, because that's the whole point education.
Well, thank you, so much for joining us, Martin, You're
welcome as always, sir. Let's go ahead and take a short break and
we'll be right back with our guest, Ryan Sprague. I am here with
Ryan Sprague. He returned to the show. Hello, my friend, Alejandro.
How's it going, man, it's going well. So we've actually been
because this is our first time being able to talk post a show from the
Roswell Mysteries de coded and so we just spent like forty minutes. Yes,
I know we should have been recording, but no, we'll leave that for
the Patreon. How's that sound? Yeah, although some of that conversation was
off the books, off the records exactly, Yes, as it often is.
But no, it's been a whirlwind of a week, I can tell
you that much shame. I'm sure we'll get into that for sure. Yeah,
for sure. So I guess, first off, what's your overall impression?
What is Are you satisfied with the show? I'm very very satisfied.
I mean, going into the project, you know, which I have to
tell your listeners was almost primarily doing part to you. You reached out to
me and said you had this amazing opportunity to work with you know, a
television network on something, and I'm always willing to do whatever I can to
represent the UFO topic in a legitimate fashion and get it out to the mainstream.
So I was super excited about it. You know, Roswell is that
that case, that carrot in front of us that always dangles, and I
was ready to start running after it. I never thought I'd have that opportunity
to really really investigate Roswell. I thought I'd always be on the sidelines,
armchair research doing it. So I was very excited when the opportunity came.
You know, we did it. We did the investigation. It aired this
past week, and I'm extremely happy with it, no matter what other people
might think, like this was a solid investigation. We didn't really know what
we were getting into, as many UFO researchers don't when they start looking at
Roswell, and it was a wild ride. And I think we're only starting.
Yeah, I hope so. And I think it's important for people to
know too, not to make excuses for the show, because I think it
doesn't even show actually is that there was an extremely short timeline that they had
to shoot this, so it was only like a month or two. In
fact, you know when did when did you do the bulk of the shooting?
So we did the bulk of the shooting probably about a month ago.
I'm not and it's already out. That's crazy, It's insane. You know,
some television projects you will last forever and you think it's never gonna come
out, or you wait to hear from someone in three four, five years
past. This was lightning around UFO Television. It was a marathon. Man,
I'm not gonna lie. There were times where I never thought we were
gonna get it done. And that's not in part to the production company or
the network. It was just how do you investigate Roswell a seventy two year
old case that has mystified people for so long? How do you do that
in like a month when when you have to bring it to the network,
deliver it and say here's what we got. So we tried our best,
and like I said, for us, it's only the beginning, and I
hope people enjoyed it, and I hope they want more because I'm certainly not
done investigating Roswell. I feel like it's it's only open pentor his box for
mem h and one of the cool things about this which I love is that
the investigation was allowed to go wherever it would go. And some people might
be thinking, well, of course, you know all the shows do that,
but they don't. They're usually full of it. They're usually scripted,
and it's often the producer who's like, Okay, here's how we want it
to end before they even know all of the information, and then they massage
it, usually fictionalizing things to like Hangar one the first season, especially to
fit what they wanted to say, even if the facts don't align to that,
which was so frustrating, especially with Hanger one. Sorry for bashing Hanger
one, but that's what it did, I mean, unfortunately so but this
show was not like that at all, and you can tell obviously because the
conclusions weren't that conclusive. They just lent us more mystery. Every person I
talked to who watched it and reached out to me, which I'm extremely appreciative
of and will to talk to anyone about what we did, what didn't make
it in, what did make it in? Uh Yeah, Everyone's like,
wait, that's it, Like when's the next one? And I keep telling
them tell the CW tell, CWC you want to if you want us to
do more like we want to do that, we've only begun. And you
bring up a good point not to bash on any other UFO television shows.
They are often very scripted. It's scripted reality television, no matter what anyone
thinks. Every reality show you see on television has elements of script to it.
There has to be it's there needs to be an arc, there needs
to be a story, There needs to be somewhere you're heading. Otherwise no
one's going to really watch. That's just the way our brains work and how
life works, you know. So at least with this, the words especially
and even where the investigation was going was not scripted exactly. We were never
told, you know, this is what we're doing. We want this conclusion.
No, we went along. I forgot the cameras were there most of
the time, to be honest, man, I mean so in terms of
that, yes, we knew we were going to be talking to certain people
like that's just the way it is. You need to schedule things, you
need to negotiate with people about what they want to talk about, what they
don't want to talk about, and sometimes that changes even when you start filming,
we had some revelations that we weren't planning on covering that that happened while
filming. And again this I have to point out Morning Star Entertainment who produced
this show. They were amazing and gave us so much space to explore and
do what we do best, and that's investigate, and they kind of just
step back and let the cameras roll and see what would come out of it.
Now, when I first, because I got to I'm a consulting producer
for the show, so essentially I got to direct the original investigation and there
were three elements I wanted to demonstrate prove this was a cover up, but
also look at two areas to where there is ongoing investigation to show why Roswell
is relevant. Why could some people are like, it's so old, why
do we keep talking about it? Well, there's still investigation that can be
done. So we look at these potential medals and I think that's a great
part of the show. Now they're educated about how there could be scraps out
there that might be analyzed and prove that there was something mysterious out there.
And then that photo analysis. Some people are aware that General Raimie the general
ahead of essentially that the Roswell Army Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas.
They took some press photos with this alleged with the weather balloon, which
was not what they found in the desert, but they were saying it was.
And he's holding this memo, and I think that over time, you
know, the more we examine that memo, it might be at least even
the show got into there's some weird stuff in there. So it's another avenue
of investigation that hopefully will bear some fruit in the future, I think so.
I mean, in terms of the memo, the Ramy memo, We're
definitely not done with that. We're definitely not done with these materials that Frank
has brought to us. We still have tests that need to be done.
For anyone who may have not seen the show, you can still see it
right now. It's streaming for free on the CWC Shameless plug. But that
being said, we're not done. And that's all I can tell people is
there's so much to still be tested. We want to go back to the
site with Frank and if people don't know sort of how that all came about.
Frank is a geologist in Roswell. He was able to sort of triangulate
where he claims the actual Roswell crash site is. And that's a big part
of our show too. There's so much contention where the actual thing happened.
I mean, there's fifty different places where people claim this happened. But Frank
brought forth very convincing data to us of where this happened. I know a
lot of people have been out to the you know, the placard the memorial
out there in Rosbo that says, you know, this is where something crashed
in nineteen forty seven, and people go there and they say, okay,
cool and they drive away. That being said, the actual crash site is
like one hundred miles from that memorial. So we were able to actually go
out to where Frank believes this happened and where he found the metals, and
that was a big moment for me, stepping on what could be the actual
place where this thing made impact and crashed and was eventually covered up. So
yeah, so there, I mean, and that there's a scene where you
all are in Frank's lab and he's using I don't even understand the technology that
blew my mind. He's using some kind of thing that can demonstrate what water
will do. I didn't get it. It looked like some futuristic like something
you'd see in Star Wars three D hologram type of deal. What's that thing?
Yeah, So it was basically, in the simplest of terms, it's
like an augmented reality sandbox. This is, you know, pretty leading technology
right now where you're able to basically program algorithms that can determine what would happen
when you do certain things with weather conditions. I mean, Frank is a
earth scientist, a geologist, so he has this algorithm set up where he
can determine where rainfall is going to occur in Roswell or across the world.
He even does this in terms of like seismic activity with earthquakes. It's astounding
what you're able to do with his technology. So he implemented his work into
investigating Roswell. He was able to use satellite imagery photos of this area in
Roswell to triangulate where the crash happened, and he put that into the augmented
system and was able to determine certain rainfall in where it would land in that
area of the crash. Site. So what did he do? He found
where the rainfall was. He went out to that area and that's when he
started digging and metal detecting and actually found materials. It's astounding to me,
m h, really cool. And the show was put together so shortly and
everything that there was only one real test that was able to be done regarding
like what the metal was made up of and that he found, and it
essentially showed these metallurgists weren't able to really add anything to the mystery, but
they in that, you know, they were able to. Essentially, it
just means that more studies have to be done. Yes, the case was
not closed on that one, nor on the photo. However, I think
that the show without getting into details, so people watch the show from Jennifer's
perspective the other house, we should probably talk about her. You know,
some pretty interesting and compelling information that even she is someone who looked at it
for the first time, could see. Yes, Jennifer my investigative partner in
this. I couldn't have asked for a better partner, to be honest,
you know, when I first met her, you know, maybe veteran investigator,
you know, certified and done things that just blew my mind. When
I heard about it. I was very intimidated. Like, here, I
am this like little uphologist going out there, excited and giddy to investigate Rosan.
You are literal little compared to her. She's very tall. Oh my
god. Yeah, a lot of people pointed that out. Yeah, I'm
like Tom Cruise, they got to put me on like a would in great
or something next time. But she's a tall woman too, so obviously I
was a little intimidated when they brought her in. And she is a skeptic,
which is essential for a UFO show, no matter what anyone says,
we need them. And I'm very skeptical myself. And you know, I
was worried when this project first came about they were gonna paint me as the
crazy eufologists, like he believes everything's alien, and for anyone who knows me
or listens to my show or anything, they know that's not true. The
extraterrestrial hypothesis is one option when it comes to UFOs, one that's it.
So I was very happy that they didn't paint me that way. Again,
I trust the production company and the network to not do that. And yeah,
it was great to have those debates with Jennifer throughout the investigation, and
both of our perspectives changed drastically throughout the investigation, and so it was a
good back and forth. I mean, she was a good skeptic in that
she she came across very well as credible and curious and open to, you
know, discovering things. And so that's what I like about the show.
And I mean people may or may not. People have heard me complain and
heard me complain with other people on the show about doing television, how you
never know what you're going to turn up with, come up with, and
and we'll talk about our own criticisms what we felt maybe could have been done
better, because of course we do think that. But overall, to have
a company that's willing to do the investigation and then let it let the chips
fall where they may, it is really it's rare to find. So Morning
Star is great in that respect. I'd have to again, you and I
and everyone else are the biggest critics when it comes to entertainment mixing with ufology,
and I completely understand that. But my only argument to that is the
entertainment industry has resources that a lot of us UFO researchers don't have access to
things we don't, so if we can work in tandem with them and keep
it as factual as possible, that's all we can really ask for. So
if a TV opportunity comes about and says we want you to go to the
ros crash site, what am I gonna say? No, I'm not gonna
go out there. Of course I am, and I'm gonna fight and struggle
to keep things as authentic as I possibly can. When it comes down to
editing and what makes it onto TV. That has absolutely nothing to do with
me, unfortunately, But I was very satisfied with the overall product and I
can't wait to see where it goes next. What are you bummed that didn't
make it? What was? Was there anything missing? Yeah? I mean
there's always you know, people don't realize it was a like forty five minute
special or something. We probably shot. I can't even tell how much footage
we actually shot things that didn't make it in. That's just the way it
goes. But you know, there were several things that I noticed didn't make
it in that I was kind of bummed about. I don't blame anyone for
it. There were we went to the Roswell UFO Museum, the International Uphone
Museum, which was, you know, the mecca for me. Obviously we
filmed the endless amounts of files they have there. I wish had made it
in it's astounding. There were affidavits, signed affidavits by officers that really stunned
me that I personally had never read. One was from an officer who was
on the plane that brought the wreckage, you know, shipped it over.
And what I found really compelling about that one that I stressed was while the
plane was in the air with the wreckage, the photo op was being done
with Jesse Marcel with the weather balloon materials. So again you know, where
was everything shipped in bit and parcel, and some of it didn't make it
there for the photo op possibly, But I found it very interesting that most
of the wreckage was still in the air while what we've pretty much proved was
a staged photo op occurred. So that one really blew my mind and showed
me there's definitely a cover up going on here, and that's not surprising,
and it's frustrating because we know that happened. Like if you read Rupelt's book,
the nineteen fifty two incident in Washington, d C. Where famously General
Samford came out and said gave his analysis of what happened. He made that
announcement before without even asking the status of the investigation. So it was an
example another example where they don't care what the investigation, where the investigation is
going. They want to tell the public how to feel about this. Before
it was regardless, which is frustrating and straight deception. It's deception, and
it's you know, it's the it's the Condon Committee, and it's the Robertson
pedal, and you know, this was kind of an earlier inception of that,
and the cover up is there, and it's vast and it's big,
and you know, we talked to Barbara at the Roswell Daily Record, the
current owner, and I was bummed because we interviewed her her you know,
members of her family were in the military, so they were involved with this,
were part of recovery teams, and they were never told what they were
cleaning up just to clean it up, which is very interesting. One of
the things I'm super bummed didn't make it in is everyone knows the Roswell Daily
Record headline, you know, the RAAF captures disc in Roswell region retracted the
next day. What a lot of people don't know is there was another newspaper
in Roswell at the time that actually covered this before the Roswell Daily Record.
So while the Roswell Daily Record headline was given to them by the military,
we've learned, uh, and then retracted the next day, there were other
newspapers covering the Roswell event. It wasn't just the Roswell Daily Records. So
that blew my mind too. Yeah, it is there were papers out there.
Yeah that is funny. So uh yeah, that is unfortunate it didn't
make it in and and there were other things. So for instance, the
cover up. Uh you know, I did a little YouTube live the day
after the show aired, just so I could solidify our point because when I
met what I meant by proving this as a cover up, and and why
I love to do that, is to justify people's suspicions because there was a
cover up. So and we can't you know, the Air Force and in
that sense kind of created their own problem. How do we know this?
If you go to the Roswell report to go the Air Force came out with
a report about Roswell. By the way, it's a ridiculous investigation. I'm
even skeptic. I'm not one who's like a big Roswell believer. I don't
know what happened out there, but this investigation was a joke. They didn't
even talk to primary witnesses. But they did talk to this scientist with Project
Mogul who said, yeah, it probably was a Project Mogul whether or you
know, balloon device. But he said, what's in those photos that the
General is holding is a common weather balloon that's not Project Mogul. And he
said it looked like General Raimie came up with a cover story. And then
the report goes on to say that it does look like General Raimie for some
reason. It essentially said we don't know why Raimi created a cover story for
Mogul. Uh So right there it shows that it was a cover up.
And then we have Dubos because you're you talked about Affidavid's and he's got an
Affidavid out in a video where he talks about this. He says, yeah,
the weather balloon was not what Marcel brought back. Now, so there
was a cover up. He says, I don't know what they brought back.
But so that's the other aspect that I think is important there. It's
a genuine cover up. It's a genuine cover up. And also what we
found in the Roswell paper that a lot of people didn't know about either,
is that members Superiors in Roswell flew directly to the White House to meet with
Truman the day after the military recovered these things. So why why it was
a little blurb in the newspaper like three or four sentences, you know,
Superiors go to meet with Truman. So clearly whatever crashed out there was not
just a weather balloon. Am I saying it was an alien craft? No,
I'm not. I'm saying whatever it was was highly classified. They struggled
to really contain this story from the very beginning, and I think, you
know, we sort of definitively proved that the cover up has lasted for this
long. Mogul is ridiculous, It's absolutely ridiculous. I even bring up that
did not make it into the show as well, that the person who made
the manual for Project Mogul was mad that they used his manual as a reason
for a UFO story. So even the really person who wrote the manual on
Mogul says, no, that's not what it was, and that was brought
up to me by James Clarkson. Really have him to think for that as
well. I did not know that. Yeah, so I think he passed
away a couple of years ago. We wanted to try to get him until
we did some digging and found out he had passed away, which is very
unfortunate. But that's the problem with Roswell. Anyone directly involved, even with
the cover up aspect or investigating the cover up, they're gone at this point,
which is very frustrating. The show made it seem as though you do
believe that Roswell was most likely an alien spacecraft, but you weren't alone.
I mean Frank Kimbler with the Metals, he believed that. Barbara Bush I
think essentially believes that. Is that true? Do you think that's probably what
it was? Oh? Man, This is my problem when it comes to
preconceived notions before an investigation. For a really long time. Yes, I
wanted, as the X Files tells us, to believe that this could be
alien, and I'm still very very open to that possibility, especially when it
comes to the bodies aspect of all this, which we briefly touch on in
the special, but want to go much further into. Jennifer brought up a
good point in our special two is you can't let your belief cloud your judgment
when it comes to the investigation. And that's what you're taught when you become
an investigator. So I learned a lot going into this that whatever I believe
prior had absolutely nothing to do with what we were doing in that moment.
You go where the evidence leads you, and that's what we did, and
that's why in the special we didn't conclude that it was aliens. Is it
possibly? We're not done. We're simply not done. We have so many
people we still want to talk to, and we want to get back out
there to the crash site for sure. All right, well, we've got
to go to break. We'll be right back. For those of you listening
on the podcast, you'll hear a short musical interlude. For the rest of
you, you'll hear a commercial break, and we'll be back with Ryan Sprague,
one of the hosts of Roswell Mysteries Decoded. Be right back, Welcome
back to Open Mind. UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas,
and I'm here with my good buddy Ryan Sprague, and you were just
talking about how the bodies. We didn't really get into in the show,
but it's something that I know they even talking with them recently. They said,
you know, one thing that we'd like to explore is the bodies aspect
if we do Roswell more going forward And interesting enough, I just got a
story posted today on Den of Geek. In fact, I'm looking at the
link for the very first time right now on how Roswell New Mexico gained its
alien reputation. So I wrote a story essentially, it was in relation to
the Roswell New Mexico TV show that's coming out, but I wrote this story
how did it get its alien reputation in the first place for DN of Geek,
and then they created a little video on it so you can read all
about that. So you can guess that this article will be helping to guide
any of our future investigations. I can't wait to read them. Man,
that's super exciting. Yeah, because I mean, the whole body's aspect is
something you know, we I've always been a little hesitant on and that was
probably clouded by that horrible alien autopsy thing that came out in the early nineties,
which again, these things really taint the Roswell investigation and you have to
fight and you know, get you dig your way out of those things.
The Rosmas slides, all these things that just disinformed the public and make it
harder for us to really dig into that. But that being said, I
mean Barbara again at the Roswell Daily Record told us that she spoke to many
people about this whole idea of Glen Dennis, who who was the employee at
the funeral home in Roswell and the whole story behind him and being asked if
he had four foot you know, child sized caskets in stock when the Roswell
incident happened, and he asked, why why do you need four child sized
caskets? I would know if if you know, some sort of accident happened
here in Roswell and someone needed these, And they told him he didn't even
need to know for that. So it's interesting, man, why they would
need those? Why do you need to bury bodies that were part of a
weather balloon? C Yeah, and he's been a bit discredited in that he
said he spoke to a nurse who saw the alien autopsy and explain the aliens
to him. He was didn't want to give her a name. He promised
he hadn't, he was eventually pressured to do it and then later admitted he
lied to investigators about this person's name. So that has kind of taken him
a bit off the radar, although UFO researchers Don Schmidt and Tom Carey,
I guess have talked to some of his friends and colleagues who said, oh,
yeah, I remember him telling us that in the forties, we thought
it was joking. So that may be an avenue of investigation to figure out
did he actually say that too people, you know, before Roswell became famous.
So that'll be interesting to look into. Absolutely again, like there's so
many avenues to go down with this and testimony from people, and it's just
it's amazing. The thing I've learned is just when you think you have an
answer to something, it changes in a heartbeat. Do you find out like
Nope, that was discredited or this or that and that's just Rospell. And
yeah, I knew that going into it, I didn't know how difficult it
was actually going to be to track down leads and to do all that.
But that I'm look I new to all this. I've never looked into Roswell
this deep before. So I'm excited and I know it's tough man, and
I want to be taken to task when it comes to this. If there's
something you saw on the special or you've heard me say that you know for
fact isn't true, tell me and I will do my best to redeem that
in terms of our investigation. That I'm totally open to that. Yeah,
I I'm so. I'm still on the fence with Roswell, which is saying
a good thing. I haven't closed the book in that I don't know what
it was out there. In fact, I'm still open to the potential that
it was Mogul, but because I think there's some information out there that shows
that that's a possible. That's possible, but I don't know. It's really
hard. It's a genuine mystery and it was a real cover up. Speaking
of feedback, though, how has the feedback been. Has it been positive?
And if you had any negative feedback, what was that? Yeah,
I mean, overall the response has been extremely positive, and I'm very happy
about that. Again, what I try to stress to people is this is
new territory for the CW network, who who is airing the show and supported
our entire endeavor. Their audience is very young, first of all, and
we had to keep that in mind when going into this is we're for some
people, this is a new case to them, for a new generation.
They knew nothing about Roswell before this, So some of the negative feedback I
would say is, oh, we knew all this already, like there's nothing
new. I completely understand that if you're a veteran researcher or you've read books
on Roswell. Yeah, we had to introduce people to this case before we
really started digging into our own personal investigation. So the only negative feedback I've
really gotten is there was too much history about Roswell Well. I personally think
that's essential before you move forward with the investigation. You know. There were
a few other comments I saw that People reached out to me and said,
oh, your scientific investigation of the medals wasn't done properly or this or that,
And all I could tell them is, look, when it comes to
science, budget has a lot to do with that, and that goes for
the scientists as well. You're under budgetary constraints when it comes to how much
you can actually do with the scientific investigation and access. We were even lucky,
Alejandro, I'm sorry to jump on. No, we were lucky to
even get a lab to look at possible UFO materials. You know how hard
it is to go to a lab exactly we think we have crash materials from
a UFO. Nobody wants to be involved with that. We went to so
many labs who said, sorry, we don't do that, we don't do
that, we don't do that. We were able to get one of the
most prominent labs in Los Angeles who work with extremely prominent aerospace people who I
won't name, but I'm sure that's pretty obvious, and to get them to
do this, and that was a hard negotiation to do. I can't tell
you how hard it actually was to get them to do this, but they
did it. They gave us their findings and that's kind of where we're left.
But they're metallurgists, and some of the materials we have aren't just metal.
There were other things found and that's what's really fascinating, and stuff we
still have to look at and investigate. Yeah, you make a number of
really great points there to have then you know, for those people, those
critics, because granted, the critics are absolutely correct. The only new thing,
which is the only new thing that this show added to the investigation,
was another analysis of Frank's material But that is a more difficult thing and a
bigger achievement. I think then people realize, just because of what you just
outlined, budget and access, getting a lab to do this is hard,
so you're kind of stuck with what you got. So those critics who granted
have a valid argument. You know, maybe this isn't the best test to
have done first or whatever. It's the only test we had access to do,
so it was better nothing and it's all we got. So at least
we were able to get some new analysis. And if you know, if
you've heard because we broke the story at Open Minds on TV about Frank's materials
and if you've listened to our many interviews with him, it's really really hard
to get this analysis done. So I'm I think it's really cool that we
got that done. And when they came out with the results, did you
know, like in that scene when they were giving you the results, was
that genuinely actually the first time you heard them, Yes, yeah, it
seemed like it too. It didn't seem I know that. I think it'd
be hard for you to act the h that kind of bague. That's that's
the good thing about this entire project is I was never told what I was
told, where we were going, who we were going to talk to,
you know, sort of like what we wanted to get out of that part
of the investigation. But no, no, I had no idea what the
results were going to be, and they wanted my initial reaction to that,
and of course I was bummed, like I wanted something. So in terms
of Frank's materials, Andre, you know, because you again, you guys
were the first to break the story when you got materials tested before it came
back with a high high percentage of a certain element molybdenum that is extremely rare
and shouldn't be in metals at that time period if you were to like carbon
date something. And that was what was really fascinating. We're like, WHOA,
that's really unusual. Let's get a tested and see if we find the
same thing. And as you see in the special our results were not exactly
the same as this other lab. So you have conflicting conflicting things there.
When it comes to scientific investigation, not every lab is going to come up
with the same thing. Did we wanted to of course, did I want
to think this was from outer space or from an alien spacecraft? Yeah,
that would have been amazing both for us, for the world and for television,
to be honest. But when the results came back, you saw my
real reaction to it. And I think that's what's good about this special is
we're not pushing a narrative. We're not saying this was alien. We're going
in and doing a real investigation no matter where that leads us and what the
answers are, whether we like them or not. M M, which is
great. So yeah, so I do agree that is that it is a
valid criticism that you know, there's not a lot of new stuff that's added
in this. However, what I really think came out really well was well
and I think that I'm going to back up a minute, actually because I
think that the proving that this is a cover up is actually something that I
never hear anybody talking about. The only person I hear talking I've seen talk
about it is Kevin Randall, but I don't think people know that the Air
Force's own investigation proves that there was a cover up. So I'm I was
proud that we kind of got that out there too. I couldn't agree more.
I think, you know, that's kind of where we're left at this
point, is there was a cover up. Everyone agrees at this point in
terms of the people we interviewed and the testimony we've come across and the continued
research we've done. So now that we know there's a cover up, now
we can start to really press people and try to find out will we I
don't know. It's spend seventy two years so far. Maybe, but at
the end of the day, I think we definitively prove the cover up with
your involvement with everyone else's. And now I'm excited to start digging, little
nervous, a little scared. When you start digging, you can be pretty
sure that that there are going to be people who don't want you to be
doing that. So the other you don't hear from me tomorrow that yeah,
that's why, well know why they got him. Yeah, So yeah,
so I can I can see that with people. But the other real big
benefit is kind of the other thing that you said, which is this demographic
is not your typical demographic young women. Most people who like read open Mind
or watch these shows because I know because we look at the demographics are men
and mostly older men, like in their fifties and sixties. Surprisingly, I
think that's count to what a lot of people think. But there are it
is getting to be more younger, but a lot of younger men. So
getting to this demographic, I think is really important. And I think it
shared in a very relatable way, some very credible information as to why people
believe Roswell's a mystery. So I think it was a great piece for people
who don't know much about Roswell, like those CW viewers, to know more
about why. It's a valid kind of open investigation. Yes, And I
mean another thing that we can't shy away from is this Roswell Mysteries Decoded is
running in tandem with the reimagining of the Roswell show Roswell New Mexico, and
that that was done purposefully. We're not denying that in any way, shape
or form, our show exists because of Roswell New Mexico, this upcoming show,
and they they did that for a reason, and they wanted people to
learn the real story about Roswell before they go watch a dramatized fictional version of
it, which I think is very responsible. Not only that, I mean
there was a press event for Roswell New Mexico a few days ago here in
Los Angeles, and they invited me to come and do a presentation on Roswell
before the cast came up and talked about their experiences on set and to know
publicize their show. And I thought that was great that the CW Network again
New Territory, for them to have a UFO researcher come and tell the genuine
story about what happened in Roswell before the show that people are going to see
involves a UFO crash, and then everything after that is completely imaginative. So
I love it. I think it's great that they did that. I was
very honored, little nervous to do it, but the reception was amazing.
I had so many press people come up to me after and be like,
WHOA, that was so cool, Like I'm going to go look into Roswell
now, And that's all we could ask for at this point. Mm hmm,
yeah, yep, yep, I agree. So one of the things
that happened in the show also is that you shared a personal UFO sighting.
Yes, sounds like a pretty cool one too. Uh yeah, I guess
you could say that I was terrified, but really it was it was it
was yeah, it was in sharing. Yeah. So, I mean I
talked about this in my book, I talked about it on interviews prior to
the television series. I did have a UFO sitting when I was twelve years
old in Upstate New York. I was fishing. I saw a triangular formation
of lights in the sky. I did not see a solid craft, but
I did see, you know that sort of prototypical three white lights, kind
of like hazy red light in the middle and silent drifted over the water.
I was fishing at night. My dad came out and actually saw this thing
as it like headed towards Canada. We were right on the border of Canada
and the United States off the Saint Lawrence River. I was really scared.
I didn't sleep, but all that night my dad and I went to the
you know, the hotel owner where we were staying at a hotel and asked
if anyone reported anything. He said no, But then we did some digging.
I actually reached out to the FAA and asked them, like, uh,
what was going on out there? And they couldn't tell us anything.
They said they didn't have anything out there. So I don't know. I
don't know what it was. I don't know what truly I experienced that night,
but it scared the living hell out of me. Really, it terrified
you, huh, yeah, I mean I had nightmares forever after that.
Wow. And oh no, just the object, I mean just like hovering
above me. That that just it was ingrained in my mind still today.
What I felt. That's that's actually more than like how big was it?
How what was the distance? It was? How it made me feel?
I just I was frozen there. I could barely talk. It took me
like forever to like squeal to my dad to come out and actually like see
the tail end of this thing. And that's what I really remembered, And
that obviously led to like an obsession. Started taking out books. Coincidentally,
the first book on UFOs I ever read was Crash at Corona Wow, Don
Friedman, Dodd Berlin or so Yeah, it really did send me on this
path, and I didn't talk about it for a really long time. I
even denied it at a lot of times too, when people asked me if
I had a sighting, even like early on, when I got into all
this, I denied in interviews that I ever had UFO siting and that that's
on me, And that's why did you deny it early on? I denied
it early on because as I got deeper into it and I started researching,
and people were actually listening to me, which I I which is a big
thing. You know that that puts pressure on that people are actually like taking
what you have to say seriously. And and I I felt like if I
had a UFO sighting and talked about it, no one would take me seriously.
Oh he's just another one of these people, like, of course he's
gonna he's gonna be saying all this. So I flat out denied that I
had a sighting. And then I came forward when I was in college started
telling people about it, friends, family and everything like that, and then
I got eventually started writing about it and started talking about it then. But
yeah, when I started doing interviews really early on, I said I didn't
have a UFO sighting. Well, that was the wrong thing to do,
and I fully admit that. Well, you know, supposedly Heinich did the
same thing. Yeah, Jall and Manik that he had assigning that he would
not share because the same exact reasons you wouldn't because he was afraid of it
hurting his credibility, right, And I struggled with that for a while.
I mean I even remember telling someone like, oh my god, I'm like
Fife Simonton. I like, I sort of denied it that, but then
I came forward and admitted it did so No, I fully embraced my UFO
seting. Now, I was nervous because the real big time I came out
with it was in my book. And once it's out there, as I
told everyone in my book, it's out there and people can judge you,
and they can ridicule you or believe you. Uh, that's up to them
at that point. So yeah, you know, I I kicked myself so
much for being so naive when I first started out in all this. But
if if I'm going to ask people to come forward and trust them to tell
their UFO story, I have to do the same or else. I'm just
like everyone else. So see, I love it. I think it's interesting
because it shows there's a number of reasons, you know, why not to
share this sort of thing, and a lot of people feel similar, and
so it's interesting to understand, you know, what influence people, and to
know that, you know, there are tons of people. There are probably
you and I probably have quite a few listeners who are the type of people
who don't share their sightings with their loved ones or people at work or people
they know because they're embarrassed to and maybe they don't even share that they listen
to UFO podcasts and stuff. I mean that that happens. It does,
and you know, just the UFO topic in general. I mean, I
can't tell you how many second dates I lost because I brought up I was
a UFO ringmer, really, let alone bringing up that I had my own
UFO siting. I can't even imagine at that point. Yeah, that's funny
because I think that happened to me too, But luckily I was able to
date inside the UFO community a bit. But I think that happened. Although
I was always hesitant to say that had to be it because it could have
been something else, and I always felt I'm just making excuses, but exactly,
No, hilarious. The more confident you are and the more you embrace
something, I think most human beings can relate to that and that that's what
they want. So yeah, I'm loud and proud now, man Like,
my siting changed my life and it's led me on the path I am today.
And what it was I may never know, but that's part of this
whole journey. We may never know. But I like the journey more than
whatever the destination might be. I can tell you that much. I guess
well, and on something personal like, of course, because my girlfriend,
my lifetime partner, is into this, she owns the freaking UFO congres But
what about your current the current love of your life, who I know you're
deeply in love with and and she's good with all this stuff. Yes,
I was very fortunate when we first started talking again. I was out and
proud at that point, so I just told her flat out, I'm like,
I'm a UFO researcher. I this is my life when I'm not.
We met at my job in New York City and I told her, when
I'm not doing this you're gonna find me on my computer digging interviewing people.
That this that And the first thing she said after I told her was what's
up with UFOs and nuclear military bases? And right there, man, I
knew I was in. That was that moment we had birds chirping, hauling
oates playing in the background. It was that's sweet, that's so funny,
that's awesome. Well, I guess to wrap up because we're out of time.
What is in store for you? So you've got somewhere in the skies
that people could check out your successful, great podcast, and then you've got
another couple podcasts you're on. I think, are you on Unknown? Ike?
Keep seeing that you're doing something like with Jason McClellan, and I'm not
sure who else is involved with that? So you can enlighten us? Oh
sure, Yeah. When I'm not doing somewhere in the Skies, I hop
over onto Unknown with Jason McClellan, Marie Nilsbury and Shane Hurd whenever possible.
I love Shane. He lives out here too. He's incredible. I just
had him on my show a couple of weeks ago, and he is a
mouf on field investigator. And he brought up some really compelling cases that I'd
never heard of, so I definitely suggest people check that out. Check out
his work as well. Yeah, we love it. It's like a little
family over there of weirdos, and we just talked about strange stuff, mostly
UFOs. So yeah, when I'm not doing somewhere in the Skies, I
can be found over at Roqueplanet dot tv. Other than that, man,
I'm looking forward to seeing you at Alien Con in Los Angeles. That's gonna
be fun, and I'm gonna actually work on I haven't sent the email yet.
I talked to Morning Storry about it. Work on doing a panel.
We should since we're both going to be speakers at Alien Con in Los Angeles,
and of course lots of the people we work with on the show are
in Los Angeles. Hopefully we could do a panel and it'll be amazing.
Yeah, at the show, that'd be cool work side by side with our
Ancient Aliens buddies and Project blue Book. Yeah, because people you know,
Project blue Book has a big presence at Agli Aliens because they're both history.
Yep, yep, exactly. So yeah, I'm super excited about that.
I hope we get to do that, and I'll be given talks. I
think they're going to have me doing experiencer sessions again, you know where people
come in tell their UFO sightings or stories. I am not a therapist.
I make that very clear. I just want to hear stories. I'm not
there to conclude what happened to you or to put you under hypnotis or anything
like that. But we tried it at this last Alien con in Baltimore.
We thought maybe a few people would show up. The room was packed to
capacity by the time we finished, and people were begging for more of them.
So I'm sure that'll happen. Other than that, it's just such a
good time, so I'm really looking forward to that in June. All right,
great, and hopefully it would be really cool to have you back at
to Congress because you used to be one of our best volunteers before you made
it big and then you became one of our speakers. Oh gosh, stop,
no. I would give anything to come back and work. Sound,
clean the floors, stacked chairs, whatever you need me to do. Man,
You know how much I love working with you guys and volunteering, because
that's why we're all doing this. You know, we all want to work
together to find answers and a lot of these conferences are where you find those
answers. And yeah, yeah, I'm excited for the future, both for
the Congress and whatever comes next. All right, well, thank you so
much for being on the show again. Thank you so much, Alejandro,
always a pleasure and honor. Thank you so much to Ryan Sprague for joining
us on the show. It's always a great pleasure to have him and he
did a great job with the television show Roswell Mysteries Decoded. So I hope
you watch this. You can watch it for free on the CW Seed.
If you follow me on my social media you'll find links to that. You
can find it on my Patreon, my Facebook, all over the place.
Twitter, but yeah, check that out. You can check it out for
free online or on their app or Roku. You can get the CW seed
app and lots of their free shows. So check that out and let us
know what you think. Also, on my YouTube page, and I want
people to know some of you may have been looking for my UFO Seriously Live
show that is now on my personal YouTube page, the Alejandro Advantage. You'll
find links to that on my social media as well. But essentially just look
up Alejandro Advantage on YouTube and you'll find me there or the name of the
show or whatever, because I have a couple of videos there. One video
that I have there is the Roswell cover Up Explained, and essentially this is
where I go over the documents to prove that, hey, we were saying
cover up so much in this Roswell show, because there is a cover up
and it's proven, and here are the government documents that prove that. So
that's just a short YouTube video covering that cover up portion. And then also
to read my articles, so denv Geek, I've got how Roswell New Mexico
it's alien reputation, so information about that. And then I have a couple
other blue Book articles that came out recently, a spoiler free review, so
I talk about you know what the show's like and I'd love to hear your
input, so read that if you get a chance. And then also an
interview with Michael Malarkey. Some of you might have heard my audio interview with
him that I posted on YouTube, but this interview is actually more lengthy because
it's more information that is compiled and kind of how he feels about UFOs and
how that working on the show really opened his mind. He is a character,
by the way that plays Captain Quinn, the Air Force guy on History's
Project blue Book. So yeah, check some of that out. As far
as the UFO Congress goes, we're getting new products on the store all the
time. We just got a new batchet, those levitating UFOs, so a
lot of people like to see that in the background on my YouTube live shows,
and if you want one of those, just go to the UFO Congress
store. We're getting lots of orders because I made this cool little gift last
week that I tweeted and stuff, and that generated some response. So if
you want one soon jump in there and grab it, because we're probably going
to have to order some more. This has just been a really popular product,
as well as these three D alien lamps that we have, so we
got some cool stuff there. If you like Open Minds, you can of
course on YouTube and on the Patreon you'll be able to find links to Open
Minds as well. So I want to thank you all again for listening to
the show. I want to thank Ryan Sprague for being a guest once again.
He did a great job I started. Jennifer Marshall was wonderful working with
him. Frank Kimbler, Kevin Randall actually lent us a little bit of help
on the show. We worked with Denise Marcel, Barbara Beck from the Roswell
Daily Record, lots of really cool people that we got to talk to on
the show, and then some of the cast or the crew over at morning
Star. They're great, so we look forward to having a strong partner with
open minds with them and doing more work together, So keep an eye out
for that, and of course i'll update you here. I want to thank
Caleb Hanks for the opening and close music, and Systematics for the bumper music.
And finally I want to thank you the listener. Thank you so much
for listening. We'll have another exciting show next week. Until then, Audio's
mood chachos you mus