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Hello, and welcome to Open Minds
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I have with
me Martin UFO dude, Willis. Wow,

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I feel gratitude for that. Oh
you like me in the UFO dude.

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Yeah, you know, maybe more
privately, even you know out there

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in my field of uh of what
I normally do. Oh, that's a

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good question. See, because you
you do antiques appraisals, which is of

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course, so you go into these
literally multi million dollar mansions or at times

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these homes filled with historic artifacts collected
by millionaires. I know you can't reveal

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some of these people, probably billionaires
in some cases. So that's kind of

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an interesting group. So and then
here you are the closet UFO dude.

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Has it ever been an issue?
Have you ever like been outed or had

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an embarrassing UFO moment? I have, Well, I did mention on my

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show. At one point I had
a I did have a very very well

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suited job. It was a part
time job worth really high pay and for

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what I was doing and only three
days a week and basically representing a major

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auction house. And I heard rumor
after they It's really the only time in

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my entire life that I've ever been
let go of a job ever, and

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it was just say they just said
that there wasn't enough business and there was

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a layoff type of situation anyway,
So I found out through a colleague that

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worked there. Afterwards, they said, in a roundabout way, you probably

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shouldn't have things out there on the
internet about you and your your other hobbies.

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And I said the UFOs and they
said, yeah, it's probably not

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a good idea. So I can't
say for sure if that is what happened,

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but I will tell you that a
few times out there in the job,

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even in a couple of really nice
homes, somehow I felt comfortable with

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the people there and said, I
also do something pretty you know. They

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said, you must really love what
you do, and I do. I

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do really love what I do,
and they said something. Well, I

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felt comfortable enough to say, well, I also do something rather esoteric,

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and that's the subject of UFOs.
And I will tell you that one person

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said they started to listen to my
show, so contacted me. He said,

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they're listening and they find it fascinating. And so I don't think it

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always, you know, is a
negative thing out there, but I don't

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really talk about it in that,
you know, in that field too much.

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M hmm. Interesting, but you're
you're kind of then careful. You're

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like this double agent with the secret
when you're going in in these places.

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I know that's right. Well that's
cool. Yeah, yeah, I didn't

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realize that so much. But yeah, so we have a good show.

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I should tell you who my guest
is today. It is Ryan Sprague.

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You may recognize him if you've saw
the which I told you guys to watch.

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It was your homework to go watch
on the CW Roswell Mysteries Decoded,

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which is a show that I was
a consultant producer on, so I helped

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them. Actually I helped really kind
of guide the overall content and Ryan was

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the host in it, so I
had a part in getting to choose,

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you know, the talent. So
that was really cool. So Ryan Sprague

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is in the show we're going to
talk about. We actually got to do

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a lot of catching up on some
of we haven't This is the first time

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we've talked after the show aired,
so we got to talk about what we

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thought of the show, maybe things
that got left out that we thought were

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interesting and in fact you know,
one big point for me was to get

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across the fact that Roswell was a
cover up. We know this by fact

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the airport has even at the airport, the Air Force has even told in

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their first report on Roswell, it
says in there that the weather balloon was

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a cover up story. Of course, they did not say it was aliens,

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so I'm not saying it was definitively
aliens, but we know there was

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a cover up. Why is that
important? Because you know, people who

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believe in this cover up or that
there's some sort of conspiracy with Roswell are

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often ridiculed even in the mainstream media. And it demonstrates how the Air Force

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often creates their own problem in the
UFO topic and others when they are deceptive,

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which unfortunately often they are. They
feel often that it's easier it's better

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to lie to keep certain secrets than
to tell the truth. And sometimes they

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may be lying to not necessarily cover
up aliens, but it still creates this

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perception that there's some major secrets or
something going on. So they kind of

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create their own problem. And so
that's why I felt that was important,

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something important to show. And then
two avenues of investigation, ongoing investigation in

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the Roswell case, or the other
things that we took a look at.

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And I feel that's important because just
to show the case is not closed.

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There are still some avenues where discoveries, potentially bombshell discoveries could be made.

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So it's still an open case.
And that's why it's relevant to this day

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because some people ask, I'm still
he tired of hearing about Rosewell? What

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we hear about Rosewell? Well,
because something important could potentially be discovered at

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any moment, and we show you
on the show two areas of investigation where

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that could be the case. So
wow, well there's maybe only like one

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or two living witnesses are left at
this point. You know. One of

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the questions I've always had about Roswell
is after mac Brasel found the debris,

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and and why did the Army Air
Force say anything at all? They could

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have just kept it quiet, and
you know, for them to come out

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and say, you know disc found
or you know, crash disc found,

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whatever it was, the flying saucer, why did they do that? That

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is the biggest question mark I have
about Roswell. I mean, it doesn't

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make any sense. I think you
make it, make it go away.

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Yeah, you make a great point. They created again their own problem.

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But that's what's really compelling because besides
being a cover up, they're the ones

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who released the press release that said
we found a flying disc. So why

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did they do that? The person
in charge was a colonel I can't remember

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his name right now, Blanchard,
Colonel Blanchard at the base. It was

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he who ordered the press officer to
send out that press release. So some

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people have wondered, well, did
he get in trouble for it? No,

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there's no indication that he got in
trouble. Not only that he continued

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on to have a very successful career. And if I'm not mistaken, he

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actually retired a general so he Yeah, so he was an important person.

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In fact, I'm looking that up
to yeah, William Blanchard myself. Yeah

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he actually, uh yeah, I
was trying to look for you too here.

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Yeah, he retired in general your
career, Yeah, so Inspector Jim

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Vance. That's that is pretty That's
another curious thing, is Yeah, so

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he didn't get in trouble for putting
that out, even though obviously has caused

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him some headache. Now again,
once again, you know, to remind

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people. The day after they released
that press release, they released another one

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with these photos of of Roger Raimia
General his superior officer, with weather balloon

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material and Jesse Marcel, the intelligence
officer who found the material. They took

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photoshop or photos with this weather balloon, and that was sent to the press

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that oops, we made a mistake. It was just a weather balloon.

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And then the story was gone,
and it wasn't a story until about nineteen

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eighty when the first book came out. Then it started to become popular.

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So you know, during that time
is when Blancher's career progressed, and so

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it didn't really wasn't a big problem
for them at the time. But yeah,

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he didn't get in trouble for that
and his career continued. So that's

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I think another really compelling part of
the mystery. If that didn't happen,

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if they wouldn't have sent that press
release. Really in the late seventies,

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it was Jesse Marshall's testimony that broke
the story open. So it would still

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be a story, but it might
not be as big of a story now

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if that press release hadn't had happened, because that's a very spelling piece.

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Yeah. Yeah, and that makes
it carry on, you know, when

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you can look back and actually see
that. Yeah, that's a really good

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point. It's a really good point. What do you think aliens at Roswell

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on the spot? Wow? You
really did aliens? Huh hmm. Yeah,

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I don't know. You know,
I've heard so many arguments and interesting

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ones too that I just I just
don't know. You know, the part

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about the caskets and the small bodies
and stuff like that, all that stuff

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is really compelling if it's true.
Well, I have a story out about

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that actually that just came out like
yesterday. This is related to the Roswell

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New Mexico television show, and so
I wrote this for Denn of Geek and

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saying, hey, you know Roswell, this new show on CW is referring

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to, you know, aspects of
the real UFO incident in Roswell. And

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essentially the gist of the story is
how did Roswell get its alien reputation?

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So I look at why do people
think there are aliens? And we know

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why they think there's a crashed UFO, But what about this body thing?

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So I get into that and I
got to say the alien stuff is much

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more dubious, but there actually is
a little bit of room for investigation there

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too. Well. You know,
as as mentioned many times, the fact

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that the Air Force said later that
it was crashed test stummies. I mean

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they could have just said no,
they didn't have to admit anything. And

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of course the crash test dummies came
out years later. They didn't even have

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them in nineteen forty seven. And
you know, it's just another situation where

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it's very it's very obvious. It's
a cover up, yeah, of something

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what I don't know, and we
may never know. I think the records

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could be lost and gone. We
may never get official records. That's why

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some scientific investigation or more forensic sorts
of investigation may prove to be the avenue

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that shows us more. And that's
kind of what we're showing in the show.

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So yeah, people have to check
that out. But why don't we

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go ahead and get into UFO news
for the week. What do you got

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for Bete? Well, I think
this is really interesting and this is about

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Harry Reid, Yes, yeah,
And the title is Harry Reid is pushing

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for more UFO research. This is
on a website called roll Call, and

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it is really interesting. So former
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is lobbying his

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former colleagues he's retired to do more
study of identified unidentified flying and here's a

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quote from him. I personally don't
know if there exists little Green men or

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other places. I kind of doubt
that, but I do believe that the

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information we have indicates we should do
a lot more study. So he also

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says another quote here, we have
hundreds and hundreds of people that have seen

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the same thing, something in the
sky. It moves a certain way.

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And uh, this was from an
interview on k n p R. So

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actually this was he was calling someone
right after that. He said he was

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going to call a member of the
Senate and an hour or two after this

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interview, and that he wanted them
to actually really, you know, look

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into this. And they speculate in
this article that it might be the minority

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whip, Richard J. Durbin,
a Democrat from Illinois, and he is

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the ranking member of the Defense Appropriation
Subcommittee. So another quote here is what

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we have found in the past is
that these pilots, when they see something

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strange like this, they're prone not
to report it for fear that the bosses

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will think something's wrong with them and
they won't get a promotion. He said,

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so many times, they don't say
a word to anybody about these strange

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things. Good point, hi,
isn't it. I think that is an

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excellent point. You know, That's
a point that I make all of the

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time. And you know it kind
of is counter to this argument of the

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Grand Conspiracy, because what I find, and I think what many others find

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when they actually talk to military witnesses, is exactly what Harry Reid just said.

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You know, a lot of people
are too shy, they don't want

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to report it, and I think
they I've heard Mark D'Antonio uses this term

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nate log it and dog it,
meaning you know, make a note,

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but forget about it. We won't
do anything with it. And so that

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makes a lot of sense. Even
in this NIMTZ report, this one that

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was leaked by George Knapp, that
was written by the military for the military,

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they talk about the extreme ridicule these
pilots faced when they when they landed

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back aboard the NIMTS aircraft carrier after
essentially chasing a UFO. I think it's

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you know, this immature, kind
of macho thing that guys do. I

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mean, you're not going to see
people tease each other more than in police

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stations, fire stations in the military, and I think it's kind of it's

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kind of like a bonding thing for
guys, but it gets kind of it

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gets to the point where when people
are uncomfortable with stuff, they just kind

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of make fun of it as opposed
to taking it seriously. And so you

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can see some people were very upset, some of the pilots, even from

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the ridicule they faced in the Nimetz
thing. And so that's an example of

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I don't want to face that kind
of ridicule. I'm not saying anything.

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And I think that's what happens so
much, which hampers this information gathering and

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then limits the amount of information the
government may have then if they're not really

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getting good reporting, right, Yeah, right, very interesting. I listened

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recently to another David Fraber's interview on
a on a fighter's a uh what's it

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called. I'm trying to make the
Fighter Pilots podcast, and so he was

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in a whole different forum talking about
this sighting. He was talking to another

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a pilot and uh that you know, was totally skeptical of UFOs and it

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made for a very good interview.
It was really interesting to listen to.

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And he did talk a little bit
about uh, you know, more or

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less the locker room talk about it
afterwards. But how many times he was

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contacted and and then he you know, the more recent contact that he has

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had and since that article came out, you know, December of last year,

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he has been contacted by everyone around
the world. It's it's pretty crazy.

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His mailbox is full all the time
and and people call all the time.

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And yeah, so a lots changed
for him. Yeah. Wow,

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Yeah, that's pretty cool, pretty
interesting. Yeah, that that and it's

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really cool that these pilots had him
on to talk about this, Yeah,

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because I think it demonstrates what we
do also here over and over again,

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is that pilots and people in aviation
are very interested in the UFO NOMA.

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They just don't share it. They
don't They try to keep that kind of

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hidden for credibility issues and stuff.
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so that really has a big effect. And I think, you know,

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maybe we are seeing a slight change
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with that as well if people listen
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so as well. And I gotta
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because I think it's a really good
resource that. You know, we have

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our Open Mind UFO news group on
Facebook. It's a closed group, but

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you just have to ask to join
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so we can kick people out,
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just to kick people out that don't
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it's just people who are being mean. You know, that's not conducive to

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a good conversation. We just want
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different views than I do. But
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we can debate civilly, you know, whatever your view is, it's fair

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to have an opinion and to be
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be able to discuss respectfully and disagree
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very good. Actually, there's some
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on that Facebook page. That's another
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to bounce things against. And uh, and it's fun topics like lazare because

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there's so many people on either side
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either side going on. Uh huh, So you got another story, Well,

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your on your Facebook page that we're
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is from filmmakers that presented this on
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Footage which finally released of exclusive jaw
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quite compelling. Is that the Utah
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Utah One? Yeah? Yes,
yeah, Antonio, being the great guy

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he is, he actually came up
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explanation for it that makes total sense, and that is a hawk or a

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falcon is chasing a drone And huh. I've had people contact me in there

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that they say, you know what, I've watched this thing for it three

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or four times, and I think
Mark is right. He said, I

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hate to admit it, but Mark
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every time, But you know,
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I'm that got been able to get
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not so sure or no, there
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sure, But for the vast majority, it is like, I hate to

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admit it, but I think he's
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because I did comment on that,
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I can't wait till till Mark takes
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thinks, because I thought it was
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see an object zipping through and it
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drone that is capturing this this footage. So yeah, that's an interesting possibility,

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I think, especially because this thing
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the end of his conclusion here is
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it would be fairly close to the
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missed until review, rather than easily
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may not have actually seen it at
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the very end, he says,
I'm not debunking here, just offering a

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cautionary note, but I do believe
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Interesting. You know on a note
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couple pieces at least. Yeah,
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going to find there that are not
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is, but this one's not.
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can find too, because mostly I
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mean, it's called that's what it's
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or posts like videos that are interesting
like that. But this is a good

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one from the website UFO Scientific Research
Keith Basterfield, and he's got this article

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documents located from that nineteen fifty five
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So this is very interesting a UFO
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and shown for you. So,
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haven't had a chance to go through
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researcher, and so that's something you
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also find I'm looking here through it
the discussion where Larry King had Bob Lazar

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and Jeremy corbel on recently. So, Larry King, you may not be

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aware of still doing a show.
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based what I had no idea,
Yeah until I saw that. Yeah,

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I always liked his attitude about UFOs. He really had a fascination with it.

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week. So there's always some interesting
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Huh, that's right. That's the
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that is the world we live in. So that's it for news, I

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guess unless you have something else that
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watch the movie that you have that
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is it called Decoded? Yeah,
Mysteries Decoded. Mysteries Decoded, and I

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thought it was pretty well done.
It was very interesting and I found out

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some things by watching it that I
had not known before, So it's definitely

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worth watching. Good if you haven't
watched it yet, that is good to

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know that you learned something you didn't
know, because that's the whole point education.

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Well, thank you, so much
for joining us, Martin, You're

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welcome as always, sir. Let's
go ahead and take a short break and

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we'll be right back with our guest, Ryan Sprague. I am here with

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Ryan Sprague. He returned to the
show. Hello, my friend, Alejandro.

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How's it going, man, it's
going well. So we've actually been

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because this is our first time being
able to talk post a show from the

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Roswell Mysteries de coded and so we
just spent like forty minutes. Yes,

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I know we should have been recording, but no, we'll leave that for

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the Patreon. How's that sound?
Yeah, although some of that conversation was

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off the books, off the records
exactly, Yes, as it often is.

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But no, it's been a whirlwind
of a week, I can tell

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you that much shame. I'm sure
we'll get into that for sure. Yeah,

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for sure. So I guess,
first off, what's your overall impression?

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What is Are you satisfied with the
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I mean, going into the project, you know, which I have to

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tell your listeners was almost primarily doing
part to you. You reached out to

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me and said you had this amazing
opportunity to work with you know, a

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television network on something, and I'm
always willing to do whatever I can to

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represent the UFO topic in a legitimate
fashion and get it out to the mainstream.

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So I was super excited about it. You know, Roswell is that

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that case, that carrot in front
of us that always dangles, and I

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was ready to start running after it. I never thought I'd have that opportunity

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to really really investigate Roswell. I
thought I'd always be on the sidelines,

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armchair research doing it. So I
was very excited when the opportunity came.

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You know, we did it.
We did the investigation. It aired this

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past week, and I'm extremely happy
with it, no matter what other people

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might think, like this was a
solid investigation. We didn't really know what

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we were getting into, as many
UFO researchers don't when they start looking at

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Roswell, and it was a wild
ride. And I think we're only starting.

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Yeah, I hope so. And
I think it's important for people to

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know too, not to make excuses
for the show, because I think it

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doesn't even show actually is that there
was an extremely short timeline that they had

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to shoot this, so it was
only like a month or two. In

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fact, you know when did when
did you do the bulk of the shooting?

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So we did the bulk of the
shooting probably about a month ago.

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I'm not and it's already out.
That's crazy, It's insane. You know,

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some television projects you will last forever
and you think it's never gonna come

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out, or you wait to hear
from someone in three four, five years

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past. This was lightning around UFO
Television. It was a marathon. Man,

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I'm not gonna lie. There were
times where I never thought we were

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gonna get it done. And that's
not in part to the production company or

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the network. It was just how
do you investigate Roswell a seventy two year

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old case that has mystified people for
so long? How do you do that

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in like a month when when you
have to bring it to the network,

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deliver it and say here's what we
got. So we tried our best,

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and like I said, for us, it's only the beginning, and I

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hope people enjoyed it, and I
hope they want more because I'm certainly not

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done investigating Roswell. I feel like
it's it's only open pentor his box for

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mem h and one of the cool
things about this which I love is that

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the investigation was allowed to go wherever
it would go. And some people might

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be thinking, well, of course, you know all the shows do that,

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but they don't. They're usually full
of it. They're usually scripted,

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and it's often the producer who's like, Okay, here's how we want it

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to end before they even know all
of the information, and then they massage

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it, usually fictionalizing things to like
Hangar one the first season, especially to

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fit what they wanted to say,
even if the facts don't align to that,

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which was so frustrating, especially with
Hanger one. Sorry for bashing Hanger

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one, but that's what it did, I mean, unfortunately so but this

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show was not like that at all, and you can tell obviously because the

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conclusions weren't that conclusive. They just
lent us more mystery. Every person I

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talked to who watched it and reached
out to me, which I'm extremely appreciative

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of and will to talk to anyone
about what we did, what didn't make

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it in, what did make it
in? Uh Yeah, Everyone's like,

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wait, that's it, Like when's
the next one? And I keep telling

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them tell the CW tell, CWC
you want to if you want us to

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do more like we want to do
that, we've only begun. And you

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bring up a good point not to
bash on any other UFO television shows.

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They are often very scripted. It's
scripted reality television, no matter what anyone

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thinks. Every reality show you see
on television has elements of script to it.

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There has to be it's there needs
to be an arc, there needs

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to be a story, There needs
to be somewhere you're heading. Otherwise no

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one's going to really watch. That's
just the way our brains work and how

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life works, you know. So
at least with this, the words especially

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and even where the investigation was going
was not scripted exactly. We were never

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told, you know, this is
what we're doing. We want this conclusion.

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No, we went along. I
forgot the cameras were there most of

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the time, to be honest,
man, I mean so in terms of

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that, yes, we knew we
were going to be talking to certain people

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like that's just the way it is. You need to schedule things, you

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need to negotiate with people about what
they want to talk about, what they

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don't want to talk about, and
sometimes that changes even when you start filming,

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we had some revelations that we weren't
planning on covering that that happened while

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filming. And again this I have
to point out Morning Star Entertainment who produced

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this show. They were amazing and
gave us so much space to explore and

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do what we do best, and
that's investigate, and they kind of just

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step back and let the cameras roll
and see what would come out of it.

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Now, when I first, because
I got to I'm a consulting producer

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for the show, so essentially I
got to direct the original investigation and there

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were three elements I wanted to demonstrate
prove this was a cover up, but

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also look at two areas to where
there is ongoing investigation to show why Roswell

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is relevant. Why could some people
are like, it's so old, why

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do we keep talking about it?
Well, there's still investigation that can be

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done. So we look at these
potential medals and I think that's a great

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part of the show. Now they're
educated about how there could be scraps out

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there that might be analyzed and prove
that there was something mysterious out there.

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And then that photo analysis. Some
people are aware that General Raimie the general

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ahead of essentially that the Roswell Army
Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas.

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They took some press photos with this
alleged with the weather balloon, which

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was not what they found in the
desert, but they were saying it was.

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And he's holding this memo, and
I think that over time, you

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know, the more we examine that
memo, it might be at least even

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the show got into there's some weird
stuff in there. So it's another avenue

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of investigation that hopefully will bear some
fruit in the future, I think so.

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I mean, in terms of the
memo, the Ramy memo, We're

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definitely not done with that. We're
definitely not done with these materials that Frank

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has brought to us. We still
have tests that need to be done.

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For anyone who may have not seen
the show, you can still see it

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right now. It's streaming for free
on the CWC Shameless plug. But that

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being said, we're not done.
And that's all I can tell people is

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there's so much to still be tested. We want to go back to the

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site with Frank and if people don't
know sort of how that all came about.

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Frank is a geologist in Roswell.
He was able to sort of triangulate

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where he claims the actual Roswell crash
site is. And that's a big part

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of our show too. There's so
much contention where the actual thing happened.

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I mean, there's fifty different places
where people claim this happened. But Frank

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brought forth very convincing data to us
of where this happened. I know a

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lot of people have been out to
the you know, the placard the memorial

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out there in Rosbo that says,
you know, this is where something crashed

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in nineteen forty seven, and people
go there and they say, okay,

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cool and they drive away. That
being said, the actual crash site is

409
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.039
like one hundred miles from that memorial. So we were able to actually go

410
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.519
out to where Frank believes this happened
and where he found the metals, and

411
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.519
that was a big moment for me, stepping on what could be the actual

412
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:45.519
place where this thing made impact and
crashed and was eventually covered up. So

413
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.400
yeah, so there, I mean, and that there's a scene where you

414
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.800
all are in Frank's lab and he's
using I don't even understand the technology that

415
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:01.639
blew my mind. He's using some
kind of thing that can demonstrate what water

416
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.079
will do. I didn't get it. It looked like some futuristic like something

417
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:13.760
you'd see in Star Wars three D
hologram type of deal. What's that thing?

418
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.039
Yeah, So it was basically,
in the simplest of terms, it's

419
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:25.039
like an augmented reality sandbox. This
is, you know, pretty leading technology

420
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:34.320
right now where you're able to basically
program algorithms that can determine what would happen

421
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.960
when you do certain things with weather
conditions. I mean, Frank is a

422
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:44.119
earth scientist, a geologist, so
he has this algorithm set up where he

423
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:49.719
can determine where rainfall is going to
occur in Roswell or across the world.

424
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.440
He even does this in terms of
like seismic activity with earthquakes. It's astounding

425
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.960
what you're able to do with his
technology. So he implemented his work into

426
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:07.800
investigating Roswell. He was able to
use satellite imagery photos of this area in

427
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.519
Roswell to triangulate where the crash happened, and he put that into the augmented

428
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.719
system and was able to determine certain
rainfall in where it would land in that

429
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.400
area of the crash. Site.
So what did he do? He found

430
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.559
where the rainfall was. He went
out to that area and that's when he

431
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.800
started digging and metal detecting and actually
found materials. It's astounding to me,

432
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.239
m h, really cool. And
the show was put together so shortly and

433
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.400
everything that there was only one real
test that was able to be done regarding

434
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.119
like what the metal was made up
of and that he found, and it

435
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:52.360
essentially showed these metallurgists weren't able to
really add anything to the mystery, but

436
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.239
they in that, you know,
they were able to. Essentially, it

437
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.760
just means that more studies have to
be done. Yes, the case was

438
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.639
not closed on that one, nor
on the photo. However, I think

439
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:13.840
that the show without getting into details, so people watch the show from Jennifer's

440
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.920
perspective the other house, we should
probably talk about her. You know,

441
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:22.119
some pretty interesting and compelling information that
even she is someone who looked at it

442
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:28.559
for the first time, could see. Yes, Jennifer my investigative partner in

443
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.639
this. I couldn't have asked for
a better partner, to be honest,

444
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:36.239
you know, when I first met
her, you know, maybe veteran investigator,

445
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.800
you know, certified and done things
that just blew my mind. When

446
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.440
I heard about it. I was
very intimidated. Like, here, I

447
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:50.360
am this like little uphologist going out
there, excited and giddy to investigate Rosan.

448
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.599
You are literal little compared to her. She's very tall. Oh my

449
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.400
god. Yeah, a lot of
people pointed that out. Yeah, I'm

450
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.880
like Tom Cruise, they got to
put me on like a would in great

451
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:06.840
or something next time. But she's
a tall woman too, so obviously I

452
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.920
was a little intimidated when they brought
her in. And she is a skeptic,

453
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.760
which is essential for a UFO show, no matter what anyone says,

454
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:21.880
we need them. And I'm very
skeptical myself. And you know, I

455
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.639
was worried when this project first came
about they were gonna paint me as the

456
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:30.000
crazy eufologists, like he believes everything's
alien, and for anyone who knows me

457
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.320
or listens to my show or anything, they know that's not true. The

458
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:39.400
extraterrestrial hypothesis is one option when it
comes to UFOs, one that's it.

459
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:45.599
So I was very happy that they
didn't paint me that way. Again,

460
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.400
I trust the production company and the
network to not do that. And yeah,

461
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.679
it was great to have those debates
with Jennifer throughout the investigation, and

462
00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:00.960
both of our perspectives changed drastically throughout
the investigation, and so it was a

463
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.719
good back and forth. I mean, she was a good skeptic in that

464
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:12.559
she she came across very well as
credible and curious and open to, you

465
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.239
know, discovering things. And so
that's what I like about the show.

466
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:21.239
And I mean people may or may
not. People have heard me complain and

467
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.880
heard me complain with other people on
the show about doing television, how you

468
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.280
never know what you're going to turn
up with, come up with, and

469
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.480
and we'll talk about our own criticisms
what we felt maybe could have been done

470
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.920
better, because of course we do
think that. But overall, to have

471
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:45.039
a company that's willing to do the
investigation and then let it let the chips

472
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:51.239
fall where they may, it is
really it's rare to find. So Morning

473
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:57.000
Star is great in that respect.
I'd have to again, you and I

474
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.719
and everyone else are the biggest critics
when it comes to entertainment mixing with ufology,

475
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.239
and I completely understand that. But
my only argument to that is the

476
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.840
entertainment industry has resources that a lot
of us UFO researchers don't have access to

477
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.800
things we don't, so if we
can work in tandem with them and keep

478
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.519
it as factual as possible, that's
all we can really ask for. So

479
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.599
if a TV opportunity comes about and
says we want you to go to the

480
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.639
ros crash site, what am I
gonna say? No, I'm not gonna

481
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.159
go out there. Of course I
am, and I'm gonna fight and struggle

482
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.079
to keep things as authentic as I
possibly can. When it comes down to

483
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.239
editing and what makes it onto TV. That has absolutely nothing to do with

484
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:43.280
me, unfortunately, But I was
very satisfied with the overall product and I

485
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.199
can't wait to see where it goes
next. What are you bummed that didn't

486
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.119
make it? What was? Was
there anything missing? Yeah? I mean

487
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.320
there's always you know, people don't
realize it was a like forty five minute

488
00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.119
special or something. We probably shot. I can't even tell how much footage

489
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.559
we actually shot things that didn't make
it in. That's just the way it

490
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.039
goes. But you know, there
were several things that I noticed didn't make

491
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.280
it in that I was kind of
bummed about. I don't blame anyone for

492
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.719
it. There were we went to
the Roswell UFO Museum, the International Uphone

493
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.880
Museum, which was, you know, the mecca for me. Obviously we

494
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.519
filmed the endless amounts of files they
have there. I wish had made it

495
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:32.280
in it's astounding. There were affidavits, signed affidavits by officers that really stunned

496
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:37.599
me that I personally had never read. One was from an officer who was

497
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.639
on the plane that brought the wreckage, you know, shipped it over.

498
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.440
And what I found really compelling about
that one that I stressed was while the

499
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.840
plane was in the air with the
wreckage, the photo op was being done

500
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:57.280
with Jesse Marcel with the weather balloon
materials. So again you know, where

501
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.119
was everything shipped in bit and parcel, and some of it didn't make it

502
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.679
there for the photo op possibly,
But I found it very interesting that most

503
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:12.000
of the wreckage was still in the
air while what we've pretty much proved was

504
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:16.159
a staged photo op occurred. So
that one really blew my mind and showed

505
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:22.000
me there's definitely a cover up going
on here, and that's not surprising,

506
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.159
and it's frustrating because we know that
happened. Like if you read Rupelt's book,

507
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:31.599
the nineteen fifty two incident in Washington, d C. Where famously General

508
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.039
Samford came out and said gave his
analysis of what happened. He made that

509
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:45.559
announcement before without even asking the status
of the investigation. So it was an

510
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:51.199
example another example where they don't care
what the investigation, where the investigation is

511
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.639
going. They want to tell the
public how to feel about this. Before

512
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:02.400
it was regardless, which is frustrating
and straight deception. It's deception, and

513
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:07.840
it's you know, it's the it's
the Condon Committee, and it's the Robertson

514
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.159
pedal, and you know, this
was kind of an earlier inception of that,

515
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.760
and the cover up is there,
and it's vast and it's big,

516
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.480
and you know, we talked to
Barbara at the Roswell Daily Record, the

517
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:25.239
current owner, and I was bummed
because we interviewed her her you know,

518
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.480
members of her family were in the
military, so they were involved with this,

519
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.440
were part of recovery teams, and
they were never told what they were

520
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.119
cleaning up just to clean it up, which is very interesting. One of

521
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.679
the things I'm super bummed didn't make
it in is everyone knows the Roswell Daily

522
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:50.000
Record headline, you know, the
RAAF captures disc in Roswell region retracted the

523
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.639
next day. What a lot of
people don't know is there was another newspaper

524
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:59.320
in Roswell at the time that actually
covered this before the Roswell Daily Record.

525
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:05.440
So while the Roswell Daily Record headline
was given to them by the military,

526
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.280
we've learned, uh, and then
retracted the next day, there were other

527
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.360
newspapers covering the Roswell event. It
wasn't just the Roswell Daily Records. So

528
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.199
that blew my mind too. Yeah, it is there were papers out there.

529
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.960
Yeah that is funny. So uh
yeah, that is unfortunate it didn't

530
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.000
make it in and and there were
other things. So for instance, the

531
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:30.320
cover up. Uh you know,
I did a little YouTube live the day

532
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:36.320
after the show aired, just so
I could solidify our point because when I

533
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.159
met what I meant by proving this
as a cover up, and and why

534
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:45.599
I love to do that, is
to justify people's suspicions because there was a

535
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.079
cover up. So and we can't
you know, the Air Force and in

536
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.159
that sense kind of created their own
problem. How do we know this?

537
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.840
If you go to the Roswell report
to go the Air Force came out with

538
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.760
a report about Roswell. By the
way, it's a ridiculous investigation. I'm

539
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.519
even skeptic. I'm not one who's
like a big Roswell believer. I don't

540
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.280
know what happened out there, but
this investigation was a joke. They didn't

541
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:15.519
even talk to primary witnesses. But
they did talk to this scientist with Project

542
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.440
Mogul who said, yeah, it
probably was a Project Mogul whether or you

543
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:25.840
know, balloon device. But he
said, what's in those photos that the

544
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:31.119
General is holding is a common weather
balloon that's not Project Mogul. And he

545
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:37.119
said it looked like General Raimie came
up with a cover story. And then

546
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.960
the report goes on to say that
it does look like General Raimie for some

547
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:46.199
reason. It essentially said we don't
know why Raimi created a cover story for

548
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:52.639
Mogul. Uh So right there it
shows that it was a cover up.

549
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.039
And then we have Dubos because you're
you talked about Affidavid's and he's got an

550
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.800
Affidavid out in a video where he
talks about this. He says, yeah,

551
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:05.199
the weather balloon was not what Marcel
brought back. Now, so there

552
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.159
was a cover up. He says, I don't know what they brought back.

553
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.039
But so that's the other aspect that
I think is important there. It's

554
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.159
a genuine cover up. It's a
genuine cover up. And also what we

555
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:20.519
found in the Roswell paper that a
lot of people didn't know about either,

556
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:28.599
is that members Superiors in Roswell flew
directly to the White House to meet with

557
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:35.519
Truman the day after the military recovered
these things. So why why it was

558
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.519
a little blurb in the newspaper like
three or four sentences, you know,

559
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:45.440
Superiors go to meet with Truman.
So clearly whatever crashed out there was not

560
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.320
just a weather balloon. Am I
saying it was an alien craft? No,

561
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:54.039
I'm not. I'm saying whatever it
was was highly classified. They struggled

562
00:46:54.039 --> 00:47:00.039
to really contain this story from the
very beginning, and I think, you

563
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:06.440
know, we sort of definitively proved
that the cover up has lasted for this

564
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.920
long. Mogul is ridiculous, It's
absolutely ridiculous. I even bring up that

565
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:15.719
did not make it into the show
as well, that the person who made

566
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:22.440
the manual for Project Mogul was mad
that they used his manual as a reason

567
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.639
for a UFO story. So even
the really person who wrote the manual on

568
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:30.280
Mogul says, no, that's not
what it was, and that was brought

569
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.840
up to me by James Clarkson.
Really have him to think for that as

570
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.400
well. I did not know that. Yeah, so I think he passed

571
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.199
away a couple of years ago.
We wanted to try to get him until

572
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.039
we did some digging and found out
he had passed away, which is very

573
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.840
unfortunate. But that's the problem with
Roswell. Anyone directly involved, even with

574
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.480
the cover up aspect or investigating the
cover up, they're gone at this point,

575
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.559
which is very frustrating. The show
made it seem as though you do

576
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:06.559
believe that Roswell was most likely an
alien spacecraft, but you weren't alone.

577
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.360
I mean Frank Kimbler with the Metals, he believed that. Barbara Bush I

578
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.360
think essentially believes that. Is that
true? Do you think that's probably what

579
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:24.480
it was? Oh? Man,
This is my problem when it comes to

580
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:31.199
preconceived notions before an investigation. For
a really long time. Yes, I

581
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:36.800
wanted, as the X Files tells
us, to believe that this could be

582
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:43.119
alien, and I'm still very very
open to that possibility, especially when it

583
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:47.400
comes to the bodies aspect of all
this, which we briefly touch on in

584
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:52.119
the special, but want to go
much further into. Jennifer brought up a

585
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:58.880
good point in our special two is
you can't let your belief cloud your judgment

586
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.800
when it comes to the investigation.
And that's what you're taught when you become

587
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.159
an investigator. So I learned a
lot going into this that whatever I believe

588
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.599
prior had absolutely nothing to do with
what we were doing in that moment.

589
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.119
You go where the evidence leads you, and that's what we did, and

590
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.039
that's why in the special we didn't
conclude that it was aliens. Is it

591
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.360
possibly? We're not done. We're
simply not done. We have so many

592
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.119
people we still want to talk to, and we want to get back out

593
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.280
there to the crash site for sure. All right, well, we've got

594
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.480
to go to break. We'll be
right back. For those of you listening

595
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.199
on the podcast, you'll hear a
short musical interlude. For the rest of

596
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:43.320
you, you'll hear a commercial break, and we'll be back with Ryan Sprague,

597
00:49:43.920 --> 00:50:10.360
one of the hosts of Roswell Mysteries
Decoded. Be right back, Welcome

598
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.400
back to Open Mind. UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas,

599
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:20.000
and I'm here with my good buddy
Ryan Sprague, and you were just

600
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:24.840
talking about how the bodies. We
didn't really get into in the show,

601
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.239
but it's something that I know they
even talking with them recently. They said,

602
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:36.320
you know, one thing that we'd
like to explore is the bodies aspect

603
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:43.000
if we do Roswell more going forward
And interesting enough, I just got a

604
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.000
story posted today on Den of Geek. In fact, I'm looking at the

605
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:52.079
link for the very first time right
now on how Roswell New Mexico gained its

606
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.039
alien reputation. So I wrote a
story essentially, it was in relation to

607
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.159
the Roswell New Mexico TV show that's
coming out, but I wrote this story

608
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.360
how did it get its alien reputation
in the first place for DN of Geek,

609
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.840
and then they created a little video
on it so you can read all

610
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:15.679
about that. So you can guess
that this article will be helping to guide

611
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.719
any of our future investigations. I
can't wait to read them. Man,

612
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.079
that's super exciting. Yeah, because
I mean, the whole body's aspect is

613
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:30.880
something you know, we I've always
been a little hesitant on and that was

614
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:37.320
probably clouded by that horrible alien autopsy
thing that came out in the early nineties,

615
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:43.079
which again, these things really taint
the Roswell investigation and you have to

616
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.119
fight and you know, get you
dig your way out of those things.

617
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:52.960
The Rosmas slides, all these things
that just disinformed the public and make it

618
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.960
harder for us to really dig into
that. But that being said, I

619
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:04.159
mean Barbara again at the Roswell Daily
Record told us that she spoke to many

620
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:12.280
people about this whole idea of Glen
Dennis, who who was the employee at

621
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.400
the funeral home in Roswell and the
whole story behind him and being asked if

622
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:22.719
he had four foot you know,
child sized caskets in stock when the Roswell

623
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:28.800
incident happened, and he asked,
why why do you need four child sized

624
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.880
caskets? I would know if if
you know, some sort of accident happened

625
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.760
here in Roswell and someone needed these, And they told him he didn't even

626
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.840
need to know for that. So
it's interesting, man, why they would

627
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:45.679
need those? Why do you need
to bury bodies that were part of a

628
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:52.719
weather balloon? C Yeah, and
he's been a bit discredited in that he

629
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.880
said he spoke to a nurse who
saw the alien autopsy and explain the aliens

630
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.360
to him. He was didn't want
to give her a name. He promised

631
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:07.400
he hadn't, he was eventually pressured
to do it and then later admitted he

632
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:12.800
lied to investigators about this person's name. So that has kind of taken him

633
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.400
a bit off the radar, although
UFO researchers Don Schmidt and Tom Carey,

634
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.840
I guess have talked to some of
his friends and colleagues who said, oh,

635
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.119
yeah, I remember him telling us
that in the forties, we thought

636
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:28.360
it was joking. So that may
be an avenue of investigation to figure out

637
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.679
did he actually say that too people, you know, before Roswell became famous.

638
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.679
So that'll be interesting to look into. Absolutely again, like there's so

639
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:43.039
many avenues to go down with this
and testimony from people, and it's just

640
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.199
it's amazing. The thing I've learned
is just when you think you have an

641
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:51.440
answer to something, it changes in
a heartbeat. Do you find out like

642
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:55.800
Nope, that was discredited or this
or that and that's just Rospell. And

643
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.559
yeah, I knew that going into
it, I didn't know how difficult it

644
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:06.079
was actually going to be to track
down leads and to do all that.

645
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:10.239
But that I'm look I new to
all this. I've never looked into Roswell

646
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.480
this deep before. So I'm excited
and I know it's tough man, and

647
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:20.000
I want to be taken to task
when it comes to this. If there's

648
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.639
something you saw on the special or
you've heard me say that you know for

649
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.119
fact isn't true, tell me and
I will do my best to redeem that

650
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.880
in terms of our investigation. That
I'm totally open to that. Yeah,

651
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:36.039
I I'm so. I'm still on
the fence with Roswell, which is saying

652
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.800
a good thing. I haven't closed
the book in that I don't know what

653
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.760
it was out there. In fact, I'm still open to the potential that

654
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:47.599
it was Mogul, but because I
think there's some information out there that shows

655
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:52.159
that that's a possible. That's possible, but I don't know. It's really

656
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.840
hard. It's a genuine mystery and
it was a real cover up. Speaking

657
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.400
of feedback, though, how has
the feedback been. Has it been positive?

658
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.159
And if you had any negative feedback, what was that? Yeah,

659
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:10.079
I mean, overall the response has
been extremely positive, and I'm very happy

660
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:14.760
about that. Again, what I
try to stress to people is this is

661
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:22.599
new territory for the CW network,
who who is airing the show and supported

662
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:29.360
our entire endeavor. Their audience is
very young, first of all, and

663
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:34.360
we had to keep that in mind
when going into this is we're for some

664
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.400
people, this is a new case
to them, for a new generation.

665
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:45.239
They knew nothing about Roswell before this, So some of the negative feedback I

666
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:50.039
would say is, oh, we
knew all this already, like there's nothing

667
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:54.599
new. I completely understand that if
you're a veteran researcher or you've read books

668
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:00.280
on Roswell. Yeah, we had
to introduce people to this case before we

669
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.119
really started digging into our own personal
investigation. So the only negative feedback I've

670
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:09.400
really gotten is there was too much
history about Roswell Well. I personally think

671
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:15.760
that's essential before you move forward with
the investigation. You know. There were

672
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.400
a few other comments I saw that
People reached out to me and said,

673
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:24.159
oh, your scientific investigation of the
medals wasn't done properly or this or that,

674
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:29.000
And all I could tell them is, look, when it comes to

675
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.239
science, budget has a lot to
do with that, and that goes for

676
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:37.679
the scientists as well. You're under
budgetary constraints when it comes to how much

677
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:44.119
you can actually do with the scientific
investigation and access. We were even lucky,

678
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.440
Alejandro, I'm sorry to jump on. No, we were lucky to

679
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.679
even get a lab to look at
possible UFO materials. You know how hard

680
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.280
it is to go to a lab
exactly we think we have crash materials from

681
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:59.679
a UFO. Nobody wants to be
involved with that. We went to so

682
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:00.960
many labs who said, sorry,
we don't do that, we don't do

683
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.679
that, we don't do that.
We were able to get one of the

684
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:12.159
most prominent labs in Los Angeles who
work with extremely prominent aerospace people who I

685
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:16.400
won't name, but I'm sure that's
pretty obvious, and to get them to

686
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.559
do this, and that was a
hard negotiation to do. I can't tell

687
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.800
you how hard it actually was to
get them to do this, but they

688
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.519
did it. They gave us their
findings and that's kind of where we're left.

689
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:35.480
But they're metallurgists, and some of
the materials we have aren't just metal.

690
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.639
There were other things found and that's
what's really fascinating, and stuff we

691
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:44.239
still have to look at and investigate. Yeah, you make a number of

692
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:50.760
really great points there to have then
you know, for those people, those

693
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.960
critics, because granted, the critics
are absolutely correct. The only new thing,

694
00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:00.000
which is the only new thing that
this show added to the investigation,

695
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:07.239
was another analysis of Frank's material But
that is a more difficult thing and a

696
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:13.840
bigger achievement. I think then people
realize, just because of what you just

697
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:19.320
outlined, budget and access, getting
a lab to do this is hard,

698
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.199
so you're kind of stuck with what
you got. So those critics who granted

699
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.320
have a valid argument. You know, maybe this isn't the best test to

700
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:29.880
have done first or whatever. It's
the only test we had access to do,

701
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:31.840
so it was better nothing and it's
all we got. So at least

702
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:36.559
we were able to get some new
analysis. And if you know, if

703
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.800
you've heard because we broke the story
at Open Minds on TV about Frank's materials

704
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.920
and if you've listened to our many
interviews with him, it's really really hard

705
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:50.880
to get this analysis done. So
I'm I think it's really cool that we

706
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.679
got that done. And when they
came out with the results, did you

707
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:59.159
know, like in that scene when
they were giving you the results, was

708
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.159
that genuinely actually the first time you
heard them, Yes, yeah, it

709
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.320
seemed like it too. It didn't
seem I know that. I think it'd

710
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:10.360
be hard for you to act the
h that kind of bague. That's that's

711
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:16.280
the good thing about this entire project
is I was never told what I was

712
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.800
told, where we were going,
who we were going to talk to,

713
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.840
you know, sort of like what
we wanted to get out of that part

714
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:27.760
of the investigation. But no,
no, I had no idea what the

715
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.880
results were going to be, and
they wanted my initial reaction to that,

716
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:36.360
and of course I was bummed,
like I wanted something. So in terms

717
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:38.519
of Frank's materials, Andre, you
know, because you again, you guys

718
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:43.639
were the first to break the story
when you got materials tested before it came

719
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:52.320
back with a high high percentage of
a certain element molybdenum that is extremely rare

720
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:58.000
and shouldn't be in metals at that
time period if you were to like carbon

721
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.960
date something. And that was what
was really fascinating. We're like, WHOA,

722
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:05.960
that's really unusual. Let's get a
tested and see if we find the

723
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:10.639
same thing. And as you see
in the special our results were not exactly

724
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:16.159
the same as this other lab.
So you have conflicting conflicting things there.

725
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:20.639
When it comes to scientific investigation,
not every lab is going to come up

726
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.880
with the same thing. Did we
wanted to of course, did I want

727
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:28.880
to think this was from outer space
or from an alien spacecraft? Yeah,

728
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.239
that would have been amazing both for
us, for the world and for television,

729
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.800
to be honest. But when the
results came back, you saw my

730
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.079
real reaction to it. And I
think that's what's good about this special is

731
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.360
we're not pushing a narrative. We're
not saying this was alien. We're going

732
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:49.320
in and doing a real investigation no
matter where that leads us and what the

733
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.079
answers are, whether we like them
or not. M M, which is

734
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:57.360
great. So yeah, so I
do agree that is that it is a

735
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.360
valid criticism that you know, there's
not a lot of new stuff that's added

736
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:07.000
in this. However, what I
really think came out really well was well

737
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.519
and I think that I'm going to
back up a minute, actually because I

738
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:16.280
think that the proving that this is
a cover up is actually something that I

739
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:21.559
never hear anybody talking about. The
only person I hear talking I've seen talk

740
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:27.519
about it is Kevin Randall, but
I don't think people know that the Air

741
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:32.320
Force's own investigation proves that there was
a cover up. So I'm I was

742
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.360
proud that we kind of got that
out there too. I couldn't agree more.

743
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:38.960
I think, you know, that's
kind of where we're left at this

744
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:44.880
point, is there was a cover
up. Everyone agrees at this point in

745
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:50.079
terms of the people we interviewed and
the testimony we've come across and the continued

746
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:53.079
research we've done. So now that
we know there's a cover up, now

747
01:01:53.079 --> 01:02:00.239
we can start to really press people
and try to find out will we I

748
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.280
don't know. It's spend seventy two
years so far. Maybe, but at

749
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.400
the end of the day, I
think we definitively prove the cover up with

750
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:13.719
your involvement with everyone else's. And
now I'm excited to start digging, little

751
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:19.159
nervous, a little scared. When
you start digging, you can be pretty

752
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:22.519
sure that that there are going to
be people who don't want you to be

753
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.880
doing that. So the other you
don't hear from me tomorrow that yeah,

754
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:32.000
that's why, well know why they
got him. Yeah, So yeah,

755
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:37.480
so I can I can see that
with people. But the other real big

756
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.679
benefit is kind of the other thing
that you said, which is this demographic

757
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:50.280
is not your typical demographic young women. Most people who like read open Mind

758
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:54.199
or watch these shows because I know
because we look at the demographics are men

759
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:59.159
and mostly older men, like in
their fifties and sixties. Surprisingly, I

760
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.519
think that's count to what a lot
of people think. But there are it

761
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.760
is getting to be more younger,
but a lot of younger men. So

762
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:09.800
getting to this demographic, I think
is really important. And I think it

763
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:17.000
shared in a very relatable way,
some very credible information as to why people

764
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.960
believe Roswell's a mystery. So I
think it was a great piece for people

765
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:30.039
who don't know much about Roswell,
like those CW viewers, to know more

766
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:36.119
about why. It's a valid kind
of open investigation. Yes, And I

767
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:42.320
mean another thing that we can't shy
away from is this Roswell Mysteries Decoded is

768
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:49.159
running in tandem with the reimagining of
the Roswell show Roswell New Mexico, and

769
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.639
that that was done purposefully. We're
not denying that in any way, shape

770
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:58.719
or form, our show exists because
of Roswell New Mexico, this upcoming show,

771
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:03.760
and they they did that for a
reason, and they wanted people to

772
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:11.400
learn the real story about Roswell before
they go watch a dramatized fictional version of

773
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.199
it, which I think is very
responsible. Not only that, I mean

774
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:19.159
there was a press event for Roswell
New Mexico a few days ago here in

775
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:25.639
Los Angeles, and they invited me
to come and do a presentation on Roswell

776
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.920
before the cast came up and talked
about their experiences on set and to know

777
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.159
publicize their show. And I thought
that was great that the CW Network again

778
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:44.079
New Territory, for them to have
a UFO researcher come and tell the genuine

779
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.760
story about what happened in Roswell before
the show that people are going to see

780
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:54.800
involves a UFO crash, and then
everything after that is completely imaginative. So

781
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.920
I love it. I think it's
great that they did that. I was

782
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:02.039
very honored, little nervous to do
it, but the reception was amazing.

783
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:06.039
I had so many press people come
up to me after and be like,

784
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:11.639
WHOA, that was so cool,
Like I'm going to go look into Roswell

785
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.000
now, And that's all we could
ask for at this point. Mm hmm,

786
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.039
yeah, yep, yep, I
agree. So one of the things

787
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:25.400
that happened in the show also is
that you shared a personal UFO sighting.

788
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:30.760
Yes, sounds like a pretty cool
one too. Uh yeah, I guess

789
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.440
you could say that I was terrified, but really it was it was it

790
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:40.239
was yeah, it was in sharing. Yeah. So, I mean I

791
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.480
talked about this in my book,
I talked about it on interviews prior to

792
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.159
the television series. I did have
a UFO sitting when I was twelve years

793
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:55.039
old in Upstate New York. I
was fishing. I saw a triangular formation

794
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:59.599
of lights in the sky. I
did not see a solid craft, but

795
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:03.000
I did see, you know that
sort of prototypical three white lights, kind

796
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:08.599
of like hazy red light in the
middle and silent drifted over the water.

797
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:12.639
I was fishing at night. My
dad came out and actually saw this thing

798
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.239
as it like headed towards Canada.
We were right on the border of Canada

799
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:20.599
and the United States off the Saint
Lawrence River. I was really scared.

800
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:24.440
I didn't sleep, but all that
night my dad and I went to the

801
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.800
you know, the hotel owner where
we were staying at a hotel and asked

802
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:32.880
if anyone reported anything. He said
no, But then we did some digging.

803
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:39.000
I actually reached out to the FAA
and asked them, like, uh,

804
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.840
what was going on out there?
And they couldn't tell us anything.

805
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.440
They said they didn't have anything out
there. So I don't know. I

806
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:50.079
don't know what it was. I
don't know what truly I experienced that night,

807
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:55.239
but it scared the living hell out
of me. Really, it terrified

808
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.760
you, huh, yeah, I
mean I had nightmares forever after that.

809
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:06.320
Wow. And oh no, just
the object, I mean just like hovering

810
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:11.639
above me. That that just it
was ingrained in my mind still today.

811
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:16.400
What I felt. That's that's actually
more than like how big was it?

812
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.679
How what was the distance? It
was? How it made me feel?

813
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:24.519
I just I was frozen there.
I could barely talk. It took me

814
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:28.760
like forever to like squeal to my
dad to come out and actually like see

815
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:32.000
the tail end of this thing.
And that's what I really remembered, And

816
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:36.960
that obviously led to like an obsession. Started taking out books. Coincidentally,

817
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:42.239
the first book on UFOs I ever
read was Crash at Corona Wow, Don

818
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:46.239
Friedman, Dodd Berlin or so Yeah, it really did send me on this

819
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.920
path, and I didn't talk about
it for a really long time. I

820
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:54.239
even denied it at a lot of
times too, when people asked me if

821
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.559
I had a sighting, even like
early on, when I got into all

822
01:07:57.559 --> 01:08:00.800
this, I denied in interviews that
I ever had UFO siting and that that's

823
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.760
on me, And that's why did
you deny it early on? I denied

824
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:12.199
it early on because as I got
deeper into it and I started researching,

825
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:16.439
and people were actually listening to me, which I I which is a big

826
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.199
thing. You know that that puts
pressure on that people are actually like taking

827
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:28.359
what you have to say seriously.
And and I I felt like if I

828
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:31.239
had a UFO sighting and talked about
it, no one would take me seriously.

829
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.960
Oh he's just another one of these
people, like, of course he's

830
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:40.399
gonna he's gonna be saying all this. So I flat out denied that I

831
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:44.399
had a sighting. And then I
came forward when I was in college started

832
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.000
telling people about it, friends,
family and everything like that, and then

833
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:54.000
I got eventually started writing about it
and started talking about it then. But

834
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:58.760
yeah, when I started doing interviews
really early on, I said I didn't

835
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.119
have a UFO sighting. Well,
that was the wrong thing to do,

836
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:05.239
and I fully admit that. Well, you know, supposedly Heinich did the

837
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:10.520
same thing. Yeah, Jall and
Manik that he had assigning that he would

838
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:15.319
not share because the same exact reasons
you wouldn't because he was afraid of it

839
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:19.039
hurting his credibility, right, And
I struggled with that for a while.

840
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:21.479
I mean I even remember telling someone
like, oh my god, I'm like

841
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:27.800
Fife Simonton. I like, I
sort of denied it that, but then

842
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:32.000
I came forward and admitted it did
so No, I fully embraced my UFO

843
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:36.359
seting. Now, I was nervous
because the real big time I came out

844
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:40.560
with it was in my book.
And once it's out there, as I

845
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:44.199
told everyone in my book, it's
out there and people can judge you,

846
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.640
and they can ridicule you or believe
you. Uh, that's up to them

847
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:53.359
at that point. So yeah,
you know, I I kicked myself so

848
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.640
much for being so naive when I
first started out in all this. But

849
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:01.159
if if I'm going to ask people
to come forward and trust them to tell

850
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.520
their UFO story, I have to
do the same or else. I'm just

851
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:08.880
like everyone else. So see,
I love it. I think it's interesting

852
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.880
because it shows there's a number of
reasons, you know, why not to

853
01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:18.439
share this sort of thing, and
a lot of people feel similar, and

854
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.119
so it's interesting to understand, you
know, what influence people, and to

855
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:27.000
know that, you know, there
are tons of people. There are probably

856
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:30.479
you and I probably have quite a
few listeners who are the type of people

857
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:36.079
who don't share their sightings with their
loved ones or people at work or people

858
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:42.520
they know because they're embarrassed to and
maybe they don't even share that they listen

859
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.720
to UFO podcasts and stuff. I
mean that that happens. It does,

860
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:50.439
and you know, just the UFO
topic in general. I mean, I

861
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:55.199
can't tell you how many second dates
I lost because I brought up I was

862
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:59.960
a UFO ringmer, really, let
alone bringing up that I had my own

863
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.840
UFO siting. I can't even imagine
at that point. Yeah, that's funny

864
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:11.039
because I think that happened to me
too, But luckily I was able to

865
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:15.800
date inside the UFO community a bit. But I think that happened. Although

866
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.119
I was always hesitant to say that
had to be it because it could have

867
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:23.680
been something else, and I always
felt I'm just making excuses, but exactly,

868
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.399
No, hilarious. The more confident
you are and the more you embrace

869
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.920
something, I think most human beings
can relate to that and that that's what

870
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:35.720
they want. So yeah, I'm
loud and proud now, man Like,

871
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:40.920
my siting changed my life and it's
led me on the path I am today.

872
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:45.079
And what it was I may never
know, but that's part of this

873
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.600
whole journey. We may never know. But I like the journey more than

874
01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.479
whatever the destination might be. I
can tell you that much. I guess

875
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:55.319
well, and on something personal like, of course, because my girlfriend,

876
01:11:55.359 --> 01:12:00.359
my lifetime partner, is into this, she owns the freaking UFO congres But

877
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.600
what about your current the current love
of your life, who I know you're

878
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:10.359
deeply in love with and and she's
good with all this stuff. Yes,

879
01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:16.119
I was very fortunate when we first
started talking again. I was out and

880
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.119
proud at that point, so I
just told her flat out, I'm like,

881
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:25.960
I'm a UFO researcher. I this
is my life when I'm not.

882
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:29.960
We met at my job in New
York City and I told her, when

883
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.520
I'm not doing this you're gonna find
me on my computer digging interviewing people.

884
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:41.199
That this that And the first thing
she said after I told her was what's

885
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:45.880
up with UFOs and nuclear military bases? And right there, man, I

886
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:57.079
knew I was in. That was
that moment we had birds chirping, hauling

887
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:01.399
oates playing in the background. It
was that's sweet, that's so funny,

888
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:05.119
that's awesome. Well, I guess
to wrap up because we're out of time.

889
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:10.840
What is in store for you?
So you've got somewhere in the skies

890
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:15.720
that people could check out your successful, great podcast, and then you've got

891
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:19.199
another couple podcasts you're on. I
think, are you on Unknown? Ike?

892
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:24.319
Keep seeing that you're doing something like
with Jason McClellan, and I'm not

893
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:27.640
sure who else is involved with that? So you can enlighten us? Oh

894
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:30.279
sure, Yeah. When I'm not
doing somewhere in the Skies, I hop

895
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:36.079
over onto Unknown with Jason McClellan,
Marie Nilsbury and Shane Hurd whenever possible.

896
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:40.880
I love Shane. He lives out
here too. He's incredible. I just

897
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:43.239
had him on my show a couple
of weeks ago, and he is a

898
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:46.720
mouf on field investigator. And he
brought up some really compelling cases that I'd

899
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:51.520
never heard of, so I definitely
suggest people check that out. Check out

900
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:56.840
his work as well. Yeah,
we love it. It's like a little

901
01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:00.760
family over there of weirdos, and
we just talked about strange stuff, mostly

902
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.760
UFOs. So yeah, when I'm
not doing somewhere in the Skies, I

903
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:10.560
can be found over at Roqueplanet dot
tv. Other than that, man,

904
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:15.600
I'm looking forward to seeing you at
Alien Con in Los Angeles. That's gonna

905
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.079
be fun, and I'm gonna actually
work on I haven't sent the email yet.

906
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:21.720
I talked to Morning Storry about it. Work on doing a panel.

907
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:27.680
We should since we're both going to
be speakers at Alien Con in Los Angeles,

908
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.159
and of course lots of the people
we work with on the show are

909
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:34.840
in Los Angeles. Hopefully we could
do a panel and it'll be amazing.

910
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:39.520
Yeah, at the show, that'd
be cool work side by side with our

911
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:45.560
Ancient Aliens buddies and Project blue Book. Yeah, because people you know,

912
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:50.600
Project blue Book has a big presence
at Agli Aliens because they're both history.

913
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:55.600
Yep, yep, exactly. So
yeah, I'm super excited about that.

914
01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:00.479
I hope we get to do that, and I'll be given talks. I

915
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:03.800
think they're going to have me doing
experiencer sessions again, you know where people

916
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:09.199
come in tell their UFO sightings or
stories. I am not a therapist.

917
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:13.840
I make that very clear. I
just want to hear stories. I'm not

918
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:18.279
there to conclude what happened to you
or to put you under hypnotis or anything

919
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:23.359
like that. But we tried it
at this last Alien con in Baltimore.

920
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:28.760
We thought maybe a few people would
show up. The room was packed to

921
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:31.760
capacity by the time we finished,
and people were begging for more of them.

922
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.199
So I'm sure that'll happen. Other
than that, it's just such a

923
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:39.520
good time, so I'm really looking
forward to that in June. All right,

924
01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:43.119
great, and hopefully it would be
really cool to have you back at

925
01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:46.279
to Congress because you used to be
one of our best volunteers before you made

926
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:49.840
it big and then you became one
of our speakers. Oh gosh, stop,

927
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:55.239
no. I would give anything to
come back and work. Sound,

928
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.640
clean the floors, stacked chairs,
whatever you need me to do. Man,

929
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.640
You know how much I love working
with you guys and volunteering, because

930
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.760
that's why we're all doing this.
You know, we all want to work

931
01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:11.680
together to find answers and a lot
of these conferences are where you find those

932
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.000
answers. And yeah, yeah,
I'm excited for the future, both for

933
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:20.119
the Congress and whatever comes next.
All right, well, thank you so

934
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:24.520
much for being on the show again. Thank you so much, Alejandro,

935
01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:29.560
always a pleasure and honor. Thank
you so much to Ryan Sprague for joining

936
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.720
us on the show. It's always
a great pleasure to have him and he

937
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:39.159
did a great job with the television
show Roswell Mysteries Decoded. So I hope

938
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.560
you watch this. You can watch
it for free on the CW Seed.

939
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.399
If you follow me on my social
media you'll find links to that. You

940
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.159
can find it on my Patreon,
my Facebook, all over the place.

941
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:53.199
Twitter, but yeah, check that
out. You can check it out for

942
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.319
free online or on their app or
Roku. You can get the CW seed

943
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.800
app and lots of their free shows. So check that out and let us

944
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:04.000
know what you think. Also,
on my YouTube page, and I want

945
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:10.760
people to know some of you may
have been looking for my UFO Seriously Live

946
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:15.680
show that is now on my personal
YouTube page, the Alejandro Advantage. You'll

947
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:23.920
find links to that on my social
media as well. But essentially just look

948
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:28.640
up Alejandro Advantage on YouTube and you'll
find me there or the name of the

949
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:31.560
show or whatever, because I have
a couple of videos there. One video

950
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:36.680
that I have there is the Roswell
cover Up Explained, and essentially this is

951
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:41.720
where I go over the documents to
prove that, hey, we were saying

952
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.399
cover up so much in this Roswell
show, because there is a cover up

953
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.000
and it's proven, and here are
the government documents that prove that. So

954
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:55.560
that's just a short YouTube video covering
that cover up portion. And then also

955
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:59.760
to read my articles, so denv
Geek, I've got how Roswell New Mexico

956
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:04.800
it's alien reputation, so information about
that. And then I have a couple

957
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:12.159
other blue Book articles that came out
recently, a spoiler free review, so

958
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.399
I talk about you know what the
show's like and I'd love to hear your

959
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:18.840
input, so read that if you
get a chance. And then also an

960
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:24.000
interview with Michael Malarkey. Some of
you might have heard my audio interview with

961
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:30.439
him that I posted on YouTube,
but this interview is actually more lengthy because

962
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:35.920
it's more information that is compiled and
kind of how he feels about UFOs and

963
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:41.800
how that working on the show really
opened his mind. He is a character,

964
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.720
by the way that plays Captain Quinn, the Air Force guy on History's

965
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:49.079
Project blue Book. So yeah,
check some of that out. As far

966
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:54.840
as the UFO Congress goes, we're
getting new products on the store all the

967
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:59.279
time. We just got a new
batchet, those levitating UFOs, so a

968
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:02.760
lot of people like to see that
in the background on my YouTube live shows,

969
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.960
and if you want one of those, just go to the UFO Congress

970
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:11.000
store. We're getting lots of orders
because I made this cool little gift last

971
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:15.279
week that I tweeted and stuff,
and that generated some response. So if

972
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:19.119
you want one soon jump in there
and grab it, because we're probably going

973
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:23.239
to have to order some more.
This has just been a really popular product,

974
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:26.520
as well as these three D alien
lamps that we have, so we

975
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:30.000
got some cool stuff there. If
you like Open Minds, you can of

976
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:33.239
course on YouTube and on the Patreon
you'll be able to find links to Open

977
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:39.159
Minds as well. So I want
to thank you all again for listening to

978
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:44.199
the show. I want to thank
Ryan Sprague for being a guest once again.

979
01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:46.800
He did a great job I started. Jennifer Marshall was wonderful working with

980
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:51.560
him. Frank Kimbler, Kevin Randall
actually lent us a little bit of help

981
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:57.039
on the show. We worked with
Denise Marcel, Barbara Beck from the Roswell

982
01:19:57.119 --> 01:20:00.239
Daily Record, lots of really cool
people that we got to talk to on

983
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.600
the show, and then some of
the cast or the crew over at morning

984
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:09.279
Star. They're great, so we
look forward to having a strong partner with

985
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:13.479
open minds with them and doing more
work together, So keep an eye out

986
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.720
for that, and of course i'll
update you here. I want to thank

987
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:23.359
Caleb Hanks for the opening and close
music, and Systematics for the bumper music.

988
01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:28.439
And finally I want to thank you
the listener. Thank you so much

989
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:33.840
for listening. We'll have another exciting
show next week. Until then, Audio's

990
01:20:34.119 --> 01:21:25.199
mood chachos you mus