1
00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,960
Sword and Scale contains adult themes and
violence, and is not intended for all

2
00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:14,599
audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
She's a little one hundred pound girl and

3
00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,600
you're a killer, dude? Fuck
you? No, fuck you? Fuck

4
00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:22,559
you? What are you gonna do? Ask me in thirty years when you're

5
00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:28,679
halfway through your sentence if you're a
killer. We made it all the way

6
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,399
to season ten and the end of
twenty twenty three, a year that I

7
00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:37,560
thought was for sure going to kill
me on a show called Sword and Scale

8
00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:59,200
that proves that the worst monsters are
real. Well, like I said,

9
00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,560
it's been a hell of a year, and not in a good way.

10
00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:07,439
Or we started out in a complete
mess. The site has broken, the

11
00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:11,000
app has broken. We worked really
hard to fix it, and we're gonna

12
00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:15,079
launch a new app and new website
very soon. In twenty twenty four.

13
00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:19,920
We're gonna take a short break because
I'm gonna crack if I don't, and

14
00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,120
you know, we'll be back really
really soon as soon as we can with

15
00:01:25,920 --> 00:02:01,359
some major surprises for you. I
think you're gonna love them. When a

16
00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:08,479
murder is committed, people usually want
to know why, and oftentimes that answer

17
00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:14,039
makes sense to us. We all
know what it's like to be jealous,

18
00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,800
angry, or want something we can't
have. When a person kills for money

19
00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:24,560
or revenge, we get it.
We don't necessarily condone it. Kind of

20
00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,560
like that Chris Rock joke, but
it makes sense in some way. The

21
00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:38,639
motivations are on some level relatable.
But every once in a while a murderer

22
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:45,560
comes along with a motivation that is
not quite so relatable, not quite so

23
00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:52,960
easy to understand. They aren't driven
by anger or jealousy. They don't seek

24
00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:59,039
revenge or wealth. Instead, they
are driven by something much more frightening.

25
00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:07,319
All they want is to experience the
planning and the crime itself. All there

26
00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:14,039
really after is the thrill of the
kill. In November of twenty fourteen,

27
00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:20,280
on the morning after Thanksgiving, a
young med school student was fast asleep in

28
00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:24,199
his bed at the River Ranch Apartments
in River Oaks, Texas, which is

29
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:30,759
about a ten minute drive from Fort
Worth. As the student was sleeping off

30
00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,039
his turkey dinner from the night before, he was suddenly awakened by a scream

31
00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,400
that apparently had come from the apartment
above his own. Do you remember doing

32
00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:45,560
anything after six o'clock? What awakes
you next it was the scream upstairs.

33
00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,599
So at seven point thirty you heard
screaming. I was laying in bed and

34
00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:55,360
it wasn't I wouldn't call his aid
blood curling hot page top at ladder,

35
00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:59,560
you know, I wouldn't describe a
scream like that. It's more of a

36
00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:03,120
scream slash like yells why. And
then that woke me up. So I'm

37
00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,919
sitting there looking at the ceiling,
and I'm racking my brain thinking, Okay,

38
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,159
what the heck is going on up
there? Like johnnyn't go up there,

39
00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:13,599
Like my first thought was she woke
us up up for a nightmare.

40
00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,680
And then like I heard, like
the real loud pound on the ground.

41
00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:23,079
After hearing the scream followed by a
loud thud, this young man contemplated what

42
00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,120
to do next. Eventually, he
decided to get out of bed and inspect

43
00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,319
his apartment. After he did,
he found that everything seemed fine. So

44
00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,680
I get up from bed, I
go out, look at him, look

45
00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,959
around in our apartment, and the
cat's just sleep on the couch like nothing's

46
00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:41,879
out of the ordinary. And I'm
thinking, I'm like, okay, maybe

47
00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,160
I should go up there. Like
we're sitting a heart attack seze or something

48
00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,600
like that I could save her or
something. I look out the window and

49
00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,959
that's when I told you. I
saw that black are leaving hey minutes after

50
00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,240
that my apartment. So I started
going off, and that that alarm is

51
00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,000
so different than the smoke alarm is
so much louder, so that I didn't

52
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,519
hear anything after that. One just
turns out everything okay. The carbon monoxide

53
00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:10,959
alarm in the apartment started blaring soon
after the fire suppression sprinkler system activated,

54
00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,800
So the young man called nine one
one. Yeah, Hi, I'm a

55
00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,759
little bit of River Range Apartments,
and I think there's a fire upstairs in

56
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,120
the apartment above me. And now
the sprinklers are going on with the fire

57
00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:30,000
apartment four card department. This is
Kevin MAYOPI yeah, a little five River

58
00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:35,560
Range Apartments. There's a fire above
me forty seven five. Yeah, say

59
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,639
with me, I'll get someone in
around. The River Ranch apartment complex is

60
00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:46,199
a two story quadplex that only consists
of four separate dwellings. Even so,

61
00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,920
the medicool student wasn't the only person
affected by the assumed fire that had broken

62
00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:57,079
out in the apartment above them.
Not long after this initial nine to one

63
00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:01,680
one call was placed. More emergency
calls were transferred to the Fort Worth Police

64
00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:08,120
Department. Man, this is a
Fort Worth police I don't know one the

65
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:16,240
other emergency. Yeah, okay,
okay, okay, we have a fire

66
00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,079
right now. Are you in towner
of the apartment is on fire? Fires

67
00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,439
got out? Okay, you just
got out? Okay? Yeah, just

68
00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,959
somebody hear them, but I can't. Please, do you think there's someone

69
00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:32,959
other? Okay. Eventually emergency responders
and Fort Worth firefighters arrived on the scene.

70
00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,199
They found that one of the second
floor apartments was on fire, and

71
00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:44,399
they quickly began working to extinguish the
flames. Meanwhile, a crowd of onlookers

72
00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:48,120
began gathering around the complex, and
news of the fire quickly reached friends and

73
00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:53,680
family members of the River Ranch Apartment
residents, Worth police, and five eight

74
00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,399
one. We'll see I just we're
calling about I'm extually can in regard to

75
00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:03,079
fire. You guys are ran this
morning. I'm not sure is the exact

76
00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:09,360
address is It's my sister's address.
One of her coworkers had called to tell

77
00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:15,399
me that her apartment had caught on
fires and that they are releasing any information

78
00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,439
to anybody, but we're all out
of town, so thank you, students.

79
00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,439
So we're trying to figure out how
we can get information on this.

80
00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,879
She's okay, okay, what I'm
going to do? You said it was

81
00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,920
your sister, right, that's correct, Ashley Harris, that's your name.

82
00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,879
Thirty one year old Ashley Harris lived
with her golden retriever at the River Ranch

83
00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:39,839
Apartments and worked full time as an
assistant manager at American Eagle at the nearby

84
00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:45,240
Hewlen Mall. Can you describe her
gundy's as an assistant manager? Well,

85
00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,920
her department responsibility because she was trying
to get into store management. She had

86
00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:55,399
just taken over visuals a few months
back, which required her hours sometimes to

87
00:07:55,399 --> 00:08:00,480
be a little longer, like later
evenings doing like visual changes and other job

88
00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:03,639
duties would be just running ourselves forward
during mids hours. She was really big

89
00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:09,079
into loss prevention. That was her
track. She wouldn't eventually end up with

90
00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,519
our loss prevention department, so she
would help me out with a lot of

91
00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:20,920
operational things that that's actually what she
was strong as. That was just making

92
00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,920
sure that you know, everybody was
trained on procedures and make sure that everybody

93
00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:30,160
was aware was going on in the
store. As an assistant manager at American

94
00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:35,080
Eagle, Ashley Harris worked long hours
and was paying her dues in hopes of

95
00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,679
eventually being promoted. Ashley wanted to
be a loss prevention specialist. If you're

96
00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,600
not familiar, many retailers employed these
specialists to safeguard the company's assets and prevent

97
00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:52,000
or minimize theft. So Ashley was
working her way towards the position that she

98
00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,919
ultimately wanted. She regularly posted videos
of herself on social media while she was

99
00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,279
at work. I'm extremely tired and
this right here is not even helpy.

100
00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:09,879
Look in my eyes. It's horrible
for anyone who has ever had a retail

101
00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:16,960
job. Unfortunately, raising my hand, you can probably relate to how demanding

102
00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:24,039
and tiresome that kind of job can
be. It was J C. Penny

103
00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,399
for me, in case you're wondering. Despite the long hours and demands of

104
00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:35,039
her job, Ashley maintained a good
attitude and a healthy personal life. Again,

105
00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,759
Ashley lived at the River Ranch Apartments, and she lived there with her

106
00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:46,279
beloved golden retriever Nala. Sadly,
in twenty fourteen, on the morning after

107
00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:54,240
Thanksgiving, a large fire broke out
inside Ashley's apartment. Fort Worth firefighters were

108
00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,360
eventually called to the scene, and
as they worked to extinguish the blaze,

109
00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,720
many onlookers and can certain friends of
Ashley watched as flames and black smoke billowed

110
00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:09,399
out of Ashley's apartment. As many
of these onlookers anxiously waited for news of

111
00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:20,080
Ashley's well being, a few of
them were questioned by police. The all,

112
00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:30,320
okay, she went. She got
home around the curry. I was

113
00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:37,240
here next them, okay, And
she got here and said she wake up

114
00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,879
for the love talk. And then
I know a little bent woke up.

115
00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:43,360
And then I went in and I
told her I was leaving, and I

116
00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,399
left and I went home. What
time was that? A four? When

117
00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,000
I left here here? Was there
anybody else in there with her? No?

118
00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,559
She turned on. It was just
her home. But you were with

119
00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,480
her until then you left. My
left. I went well, I texted

120
00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,000
her when I un figure in a
lot among the onlookers was a young woman

121
00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:11,200
that was well acquainted with Ashley.
In fact, she and Ashley had been

122
00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,559
on a few dates together. Her
name was Alexis Torres, and Alexis claimed

123
00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,720
that she was with Ashley just a
few hours before the fire broke out.

124
00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,039
I first met Ashley about a year
year and a half ago, and you

125
00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,279
know, we were just you know, like I guess Facebook friends at first.

126
00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,879
We started really getting close, started
hanging out just throughout every day.

127
00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,120
She became one of my really,
you know, best friends, and now

128
00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,639
we started dating. As is usually
the case for retail workers, Ashley Harris

129
00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:50,600
had to work on Thanksgiving, and
what has become the American custom, many

130
00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:56,279
retailers opened their stores on Thanksgiving evening
as an extension of an early start to

131
00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:01,200
Black Friday. You're all consumers to
tell you that it's the biggest single shopping

132
00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,960
day in the United States every year
and kind of sets the tone for the

133
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:13,360
whole Christmas shopping season. On this
particular Thanksgiving day, Ashley was expected to

134
00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:18,759
work an especially long overnight shift at
her American Eagle store at the nearby Hewlen

135
00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:24,840
Mall. Ashley was having to work
for a Black Friday, so we had

136
00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:28,759
a Thanksgiving at Tripe and carry House, which is another group of friend of

137
00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:33,879
ours. But we had Thanksgiving around
I guess blues two o'clock. She left

138
00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,720
because she had to be at work, and she asked me to take care

139
00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,559
of Nala, her dog. Well, Ashley was at work, Alexis looked

140
00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:48,360
after her dog. Early the next
morning, at around three am, unexhausted,

141
00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:54,519
Ashley returned to her apartment. Was
Ashley still wearing the same clothes that

142
00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,720
she went to work in? Yeah, she was still wearing work clothes?

143
00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,960
Can you describe those? She had
on a red shirt, but remember what

144
00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:07,360
it said, but all of her
employees were wearing it. She had on

145
00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:13,440
jeans and her boots. She still
had her keys her see the keys anywhere?

146
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,039
She still had them on her belt
loop. It was a pretty big

147
00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:22,919
clip. She all was just putting
around her belt loop, according to Alexis.

148
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,440
After Ashley came home, she and
Alexis spent some time together before Alexis

149
00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:33,720
said goodbye and left the apartment.
And we talked for about about our hour

150
00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:41,360
and a half. And I left
her apartment at three forty I mean not

151
00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,240
three four am, sorry four am. She walked me out. I opened

152
00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:48,960
the door to the front door,
I closed it and I heard her lock

153
00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:52,639
the door behind me. And I
text her at four fifty three and I

154
00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,600
told her I was home. And
I didn't get a response and just took

155
00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,960
clarify know I had to asked you
this before, but just so we can

156
00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,960
put on the record, was there
anybody that Ashley ever talked about having problems

157
00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,279
with or that would want her harm
Ashley? By all accounts, Ashley Harris

158
00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:15,799
was an extremely well liked, caring, and personable young woman. She had

159
00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,879
a lot of close friends, many
of whom described her as having a magnetic

160
00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:26,600
personality. People liked to be around
Ashley, Even people that only briefly interacted

161
00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:31,879
with her could easily recognize the overwhelming
positivity that Ashley carried herself with. She

162
00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,639
was extremely nice, extremely just positive. It is only for a couple seconds

163
00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:43,200
we were walking our dogs and I
just felt just her positive energy. As

164
00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,559
the police investigated the fire at Ashley's
apartment, one of the people they spoke

165
00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:54,879
to was her boss at American Eagle. Not unlike Ashley's friends and acquaintances,

166
00:14:54,879 --> 00:15:00,720
her boss had only good things to
say about Ashley and couldn't imagine that anyone

167
00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:05,919
would want to hurt her. What
kind of employee was Ashley? Fantastic as

168
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,240
she just you know, tried to
be as cordial to everybody as possible.

169
00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:15,279
You couldn't ask for a more positive
person. The associates all just kind of

170
00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:18,919
attached themselves to her. She was
like the mother of the store. She

171
00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,440
was my right hand person and dependent
on her for so much. Do you

172
00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:26,120
know if Ashley was having problems or
trouble with anyone? Oh, that's what

173
00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,399
we're all beating ourselves up over.
We just don't get it. Like she

174
00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,200
didn't have an enemy in the world. Despite what everyone was saying about Ashley,

175
00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,120
the chaos and her apartment suggested that
she must have had at least one

176
00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:48,360
enemy. Tragically, as fort Worth
firefighters were working to extinguish the blaze,

177
00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:54,159
they found a body among the flames. It was female. She was lying

178
00:15:54,759 --> 00:16:03,159
face down and it was obvious that
the fire didn't kill her. Ashley Harris

179
00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,679
had been murdered and an apartment fire
has turned into a potential murder mystery in

180
00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:11,879
southwest ford Worth. On Friday,
we told you about this. Firefighters discovered

181
00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:17,919
the body of a young woman inside
her burning apartment unit along Keen Ranch Road,

182
00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,240
but investigators quickly determined the fire was
not the cause of her death.

183
00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,000
The rest ward Affiday would say,
Harris was found with her ankles bound with

184
00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,000
gray duck tape. Her hands were
also bound with gray duck tape behind her

185
00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:36,240
back, and that her body was
partially burned. In the early morning hours

186
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:42,679
of Black Friday, someone or multiple
people broke into Ashley Harris's apartment and attacked

187
00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:49,519
her. They bound her arms and
feet with duct tape. They pistol whipped

188
00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:56,919
her and strangled her to death.
Then they set her apartment on fire and

189
00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:03,599
fled. Interestingly, as police process
the scene, they determined that the only

190
00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:11,640
thing missing from the apartment was Ashley's
work key. For detectives, this was

191
00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:17,079
bizarre. Why would someone only steal
a set of keys? To American Eagle?

192
00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:22,440
Was that all they wanted? What
the detectives to know is that the

193
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:29,640
person behind all this mayhem had a
plan, and part of that plan was

194
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:36,759
to murder Ashley Harris, But another
part of the plan included gaining access to

195
00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:42,400
the store where Ashley worked. Ultimately, it was those missing keys that would

196
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,839
help explain why someone wanted to commit
this brutal crime and why a well liked

197
00:17:48,880 --> 00:18:26,920
young woman that seemingly had no enemies
was viciously attacked and murdered. In November

198
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:32,480
of twenty fourteen, fort Worth firefighters
were called to a fire at the River

199
00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:37,480
Ranch apartments in River Oaks, Texas. Inside one of the apartments, firefighters

200
00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,839
found the dead body of thirty one
year old Ashley Harris. Soon after,

201
00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:48,079
fort Worth homicide detectives were called in
to investigate, and they quickly determined that

202
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:55,279
Ashley had been murdered. Ashley's hands
and feet were bound with duct tape,

203
00:18:55,279 --> 00:19:00,759
and she had multiple lacerations and wounds
all over her body. A medical examiner

204
00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:07,839
later determined that Ashley must have been
dead before the fire started because her aorta

205
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:14,400
blood tested negative for carbon monoxide.
The medical examiner also found that Ashley's eyes

206
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:21,480
reflected strangulation. The cause of death
was exphyxia and blunt forced trauma to the

207
00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,440
head. There was no doubt that
this was a homicide. As for the

208
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:33,000
fire, an arson investigator determined that
rubbing alcohol was used as an accelerant and

209
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,359
the fire had multiple points of origin, including Ashley's bed, her closet,

210
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:44,920
and her body. In other words, someone viciously beat and murdered Ashley,

211
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,359
poured alcohol all over her body and
her belongings, and then set the apartment

212
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:57,039
on fire before fleeing the scene.
Thankfully, Ashley's dog survived. And you

213
00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:00,599
were all going to worry about that, so I, you know, made

214
00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:04,799
sure to tell you. Anyway,
the pup was eventually adopted by Ashley's parents

215
00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:11,799
and he's doing fine. During the
subsequent investigation, though, homicide detectives interviewed

216
00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:18,200
several people, one of which happened
to be a former police officer that lived

217
00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:23,559
in the same apartment complex as Ashley. Later on, maybe around seven or

218
00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:30,200
so, you tell me I come
back out in the vacame spot. It

219
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,319
was a car that I didn't recognize. So between seven and seven o five

220
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,240
you see a car in the spot
next to Ashley that you recognized as not

221
00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,799
belonging to that complex, correct,
not a car that I had seen before.

222
00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:47,279
And can you describe what you saw? What I believed to be a

223
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,599
black Infinity And did you see anybody
coming or going from that vehicle? Okay,

224
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,799
so when you left for work at
seven twenty, you sent the car

225
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:03,799
you meant the black infinished still partner
to Ashley shrugged. According to Ashley's neighbor,

226
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:10,039
his typical morning routine included smoking a
cigarette on his apartment's front balcony.

227
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,359
On the morning of the murder,
and before the fire broke out, this

228
00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:18,640
neighbor noticed a black car parked next
to Ashley's truck. It was a car

229
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:25,240
that he did not recognize as usually
being parked there. Don't you just love

230
00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:30,200
neighbors. At the same time,
Ashley's other neighbor, the young man that

231
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:36,160
lived below her, noticed a black
car leaving the complex just before his carbon

232
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,279
monoxide alarm went off. I look
out the window, and that's when I

233
00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,759
told you I saw that black car
leaving. Came in fashly that my carbon

234
00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:47,680
monoxide started going off in that That
alarm is so different than the smoke alarm

235
00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:51,039
is so much louder, so easy
that I didn't hear anything after that,

236
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,440
But the alarm just turns out everything. At this point in the investigation,

237
00:21:55,599 --> 00:22:00,880
the cops had gathered a lot of
information very quickly. They were trying to

238
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,519
put all the pieces together, but
the one thing they knew right away was

239
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,960
that they needed to find that black
Infinity and its driver. Somehow, the

240
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:17,519
news of that car spread among Ashley's
friends and co workers, and it prompted

241
00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:22,240
Ashley's boss to approach detectives. Now, from you understanding what kind of car

242
00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,799
did Carter drive? I was told
to Dave was a black It's like a

243
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:32,200
little black sports car two door four
or I'm believe it was two door.

244
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,440
I never saw it in person,
just that picture that I the board over

245
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,440
too. So now when you approached
us that day, how did you put

246
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,039
two and two together? Because somebody, one of her friends, somebody had

247
00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:48,400
mentioned it in the black car.
And as soon as she said it,

248
00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:49,279
yeah, as me and I looked
at each other and we were like,

249
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,880
is that Carter like Ashley Harris,
Twenty eight year old Carter Servantes was also

250
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:03,119
an assistant manager at American Eagle.
Both women had worked at the same store,

251
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,079
and Carter happened to own and drive
a two door black Infinity. On

252
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,440
the morning after the murder, the
lead homicide detective on this case decided to

253
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:18,839
visit Carter's apartment, and when he
arrived there, he found a black Infinity

254
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,400
parked in the driveway. Rather than
approached the home and knock on the door,

255
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:30,960
the detective decided to sit, wait
and watch. After a few hours,

256
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:36,160
he saw Carter leave her apartment and
walk toward her car, but Carter

257
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:42,200
wasn't alone. Whether was a young
black man that looked to be around eighteen

258
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:48,640
or nineteen years old. The detective
watched as the young man got into the

259
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,319
driver's seat of the Infinity while Carter
sat in the passenger seat. The couple

260
00:23:53,559 --> 00:24:00,920
drove off, and the detective followed
until they arrived at the Hewlen Mall Ewlen

261
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:07,720
Mall, where Ashley Harris used to
work. The detective continued watching as Carter

262
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,359
stepped out of the passenger seat and
walked into the mall. Meanwhile, the

263
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:17,480
young driver sat and waited in the
parking lot. At this point, it

264
00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:22,400
was around eight am and the doors
to the mall were open, but many

265
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,359
of the stores inside were still closed, So the detective decided to follow Carter

266
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,680
into the mall as he called upon
another detective to put eyes on the young

267
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,599
driver. Unfortunately, the detective in
the mall lost sight of Carter and was

268
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:44,160
unable to find out where she went
or why. The other detective, however,

269
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,559
decided to approach the Infinity and question
the driver, who identified himself as

270
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:56,440
David Mallory. David explained that he
had driven his girlfriend to the mall so

271
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,559
she could pick up some documents from
her job at Arrow p Host Style.

272
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:06,680
Of course, that's not really where
she worked, is it. This struck

273
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,680
detectives. It's strange because he knew
that Carter didn't work there. What a

274
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,880
dumb lie. Some people are really
bad at it. When the detective asked

275
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,000
David for his driver's license, he
explained that he didn't have one, which

276
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:26,039
prompted the detective to arrest him.
David was then taken to the police station

277
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:33,759
and questioned, where'd you guys leave
for Thanksgiving? Oh? He could stayed

278
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:38,400
in watch movies. What did you
guys have her career Thanksgiving? Oh?

279
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,960
Bunch of shit? I don't know. Yah? Yeah, baby bringing catro

280
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,000
techy. You got that friend number? No, did you guys ever leave

281
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:57,160
or or anything of the house Thursday. In questioning David, detectives learned that

282
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:03,640
he was Carter's living boyfriend, and
according to him, he and Carter spent

283
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,759
their Thanksgiving at home together. He
explained that all they did was cook,

284
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:14,279
eat, watch movies, and sleep. At this point, David had already

285
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,839
garnered some suspicion from detectives because when
he was first approached at the mall,

286
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,640
he presumably lied about where Carter worked. So this morning, you got to

287
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,160
get up. What's going on?
When you gotta talking about what you did?

288
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,880
I had to get up and I
took her to the mall. She

289
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,720
said she needed some papers or some
Okay, should be in and out,

290
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,079
move to the come probs. Wait
in the parlem. Okay, okay,

291
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:45,039
what time is them all open?
I'm not sure that she was going there

292
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,200
to put out paperwork and pick up
paper. I believe she said to pick

293
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:55,200
up some papers we're at I'm not
sure does she work there? He said

294
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,599
that she was just going to pick
up some papers that you have to wear?

295
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:02,839
What paper you know? I mean, I wasn't too concerned about it.

296
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,759
Detectives seemed to believe that whatever was
supposed to happen at the mall that

297
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,599
morning had been orchestrated by David's girlfriend. They also seemed to believe that David

298
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,680
knew all about her plan, and
they wanted him to tell them what the

299
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,079
plan was. We know that you
know she shouldn't work at her repossible dang

300
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:30,000
lighting out that even why your lines
was about where she works. And I

301
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,440
don't think I used or something there. You know, she hadn't worked since

302
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,319
she had to marry Ingle was in
American England. She hadn't worked her the

303
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,240
month, so here you had that
you have your hoards about what was going

304
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:48,160
on this morning so what were you
writing there at the lawgo what she told

305
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,200
me. I was just taking to
getting these. She said, you be

306
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,440
in now. David maintained his story
and claimed that all he had done that

307
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,799
morning was drive his girlfriend to the
mall. At the same time, David

308
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:06,200
had some questions of his own.
From his perspective, it was obvious that

309
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:11,359
something more was going on here.
When someone is arrested for driving without a

310
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:18,920
license, they aren't typically questioned by
multiple detectives, much less homicide detectives.

311
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,359
I do want to know about it. I don't told me that. Oh

312
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,039
it's you guys are wrote something at
the mall, so he got you know,

313
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,480
we've gotten hips got information on a
lot two days about when you guys

314
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,599
wrote two or was about having in
this morning, So that's kind of what's

315
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,440
going on. And you're just bushitted
me for about fifteen seconds. Do you

316
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,319
want to let me know what's going
on? Because I mean, I would

317
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,799
really like to know. I'm in
that's why you're here a middle coaching you

318
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,559
needed watch. I mean, we're
not the one that are bullshitting here.

319
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,200
I mean, you don't do you
don't go to it and linked VI and

320
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,119
hey, you're the smart guy you
come with my we're here. I don't

321
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,480
know why the fuck where here,
Why you're think you're smart, Why you're

322
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,279
going to do this to all your
people who will do this a lot of

323
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,839
you for no driver's life. Again, the lock don't that you are a

324
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,160
smart guy. You have figured out
you know what I did want to talk

325
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,039
to you. I do have an
investigation going to I'm not I'm going to

326
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,680
be one hundreds with you. I
am not going to show you my cards.

327
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,799
I'm not sure, but I know
that. Hold yeah, hold on,

328
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,200
yeah, you're hiding something. Yeah, I've just told you. I'm

329
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,319
not. I'm telling you I'm not
going to show you my cars. One

330
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,759
tool that I have to talk to
you is to arrest you for an offense

331
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,039
that we see you commit, which
is what we did. That's why you're

332
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,079
under arrest. I'm gonna tell you, quite honestly, one hundred percent,

333
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,400
what I think is happening here is
a woman is taking you down a bad

334
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,680
path. The detectives traded questions and
accusations with David, but by the end

335
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:56,319
of their conversation, neither side gave
more than an inch. David never admitted

336
00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,119
to anything and He was eventually booked, taken before it judge, and jailed

337
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:07,759
for driving without a license. Meanwhile, the cops had also tracked down Carter

338
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,200
and brought her in for questioning as
well. Interestingly, they found Carter in

339
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,039
the laundry area of her apartment complex, which meant that after David dropped her

340
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,880
off at the mall, Carter must
have made the long walk back to her

341
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:29,000
home. So whatever Carter had done
that morning in the mall remained a mystery,

342
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:34,759
at least for the time being.
Carter Carol Savantez, Yes, I

343
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:38,200
know you mentioned David is your boyfriend? Want? Have you guys been together

344
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,039
about a year and a half.
How'd you guys meet? We worked?

345
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:48,640
Taylor an American Eagle briefly. Twenty
eight year old Carter Servantes originally worked as

346
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,759
an assistant manager at an American Eagle
store in Amarillo, Texas, which is

347
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:59,200
about four hundred miles north of Fort
Worth. It was in Amarillo that Carter

348
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:04,200
met and again dating her co worker
David Mallory. When the district manager became

349
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,160
aware of that situation, he gave
Carter a choice. She would either resign

350
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,240
or be transferred to another store.
Carter chose the latter. So how did

351
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:21,079
you look in Fort Work? I
had a job opportunity with American New Authorors

352
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,559
that brought me here from Amarillo or
love Look from Memorilla. I worked with

353
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,839
the company for about eight years.
It was maybe about seven. I happened

354
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,920
some change and I was the store
manager for them at Amarillo and they transferred

355
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,519
me down here to work at Hugh
and Wall. Are you still there?

356
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,000
No, I'm not. Before Carter
made the move from Amarillo to Fort Worth,

357
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680
she called the American Eagles store manager
in Fort Worth and spoke to both

358
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:53,279
him and Ashley Harris. But it's
not like she was transferred here because she

359
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,599
had ties to for work and wanted
to No, no, no, she

360
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,440
didn't know anybody here. A matter
of fact, whenever she was going to

361
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,920
move here, she had called and
talked to me and to Ashley and asked,

362
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,000
like, what's an area that you
know would be close to the store,

363
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,079
but kind of central? And actually
I think it is the one that

364
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:16,720
I actually mentioned, the ben Brook
area. Carter made her way to Fort

365
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,799
Worth and soon began working at American
Eagle at the Hewlen Mall. While there

366
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:30,039
are things didn't go well for her, Carter struggled to get along with many

367
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:36,079
of her new coworkers, which happened
to include Ashley Harris. Can you describe

368
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,279
the relationship between Ashley and Carter?
They never clicked. I mean, Carter

369
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,359
never clicked with anybody in the store
from my understanding, except for the sooship.

370
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,680
Do you know again? Carter kept
everybody at arms leans She didn't,

371
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440
you know, Carter everyone over to
her partner to hang out or anything like

372
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:58,119
that. He did. Carter and
Ashley were both assistant managers, but they

373
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:04,440
were pretty much also completely opposite people. They had conflicting personalities and approached their

374
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,559
positions an American Eagle in different ways, if that makes sense. While Ashley

375
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,240
was an upbeat and exceptionally personable worker, Carter usually kept to herself and maintained

376
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:22,319
a matter of fact attitude during her
shifts. Meanwhile, back in Amarillo,

377
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:27,440
David Mallory stopped showing up for work
and was eventually fired from his American Eagle

378
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:31,279
store. David's name was placed on
the company's do not hire list, and

379
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,039
he soon moved to Fort Worth,
where he reunited with Carter. Once there,

380
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Carter used her position as an assistant
manager to falsify some paperwork and hired

381
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:52,720
David to once again work alongside her
at the Hewlen Mall American Eagle. Unsurprisingly,

382
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,799
both Carter and David were eventually fired, but not for the reasons you

383
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,960
may think. I was put on
a suspended leave of absence the week before,

384
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,359
and then they decided to let me
go. On September first, there

385
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,360
was a robbery at Human Mall and
I had closed the night before. They

386
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,119
determined that I had left the store
and secured, so they let me go.

387
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,039
Was that case ever sawd Did you
ever speak to detectives about that case?

388
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
I was never questioned, and I
did not leave the store. I

389
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,199
actually filed for unemployment and fought the
company. So where are you currently working?

390
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,639
I'm not currently working. If you
ask Carter why she was fired from

391
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,400
American Eagle, she will tell you
that she was accused of leaving her store

392
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:45,440
unsecure. But if you ask your
boss, you'll get a more detailed explanation.

393
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,000
I got a call one day while
I was at church on a Sunday

394
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800
morning, hard to pause that from
the night before had been stolen. So

395
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,960
I went to the store. We
have video in some of our store.

396
00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:01,000
What had happened is the night before
she scheduled I believe a two to ten

397
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:07,320
to be like the closing correct to
be the closing manager to close down our

398
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:14,119
Redsters, and then Carter was scheduled
to work I believe a three to midnight

399
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:19,400
or a four to midnight. Three
months before Ashley Harris was murdered in August

400
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,039
of twenty fourteen, there was a
robbery at the Helen Mall American Eagle.

401
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,840
On the night of that robbery,
Ashley Harris had done a shift change with

402
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,079
Carter, and during that brief time
that they were working together, Carter did

403
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:40,159
something unusual. Carter, around seven
or seven thirty that night, told Asha

404
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,320
that she was going to take the
trash out and as she thought it was

405
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,960
strange, it's something that Carter's you
know, Carter was very hands off.

406
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,119
She didn't a lot of that stuff
was beneath her. So either way,

407
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:55,119
she took uh. She took the
trash out and left the back door unlocked.

408
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,639
A few hours later, Carter and
a couple of other employees finished up

409
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:06,119
their shift close the store and left. So that night, I believe at

410
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,440
five or ten minutes after twelve,
you can see on the camera Carter and

411
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,119
her team leave the building, lock
down the front gate, and they leave.

412
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,400
At about one point fifteen in the
morning, you see on the camera

413
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:24,400
a blackmail walk in from my back
door onto my sales floor. He's he's

414
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,840
wearing like a black hoodie or a
dark hoodie pulled up over his head,

415
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:36,519
wearing gloves. He walks over to
into my cash and wrap area and bend's

416
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,800
down. He walks it directly to
the safe, bends down, puts the

417
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,880
key in, unlocks it, and
takes the deposit. It was a little

418
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,800
over eighteen thousand dollars deposit, and
then takes that same path back out.

419
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,639
A masked thief dressed in black casually
walked through the unlocked back door, reached

420
00:36:53,679 --> 00:37:00,719
into the store safe, and left
with about eighteen thousand dollars. Needless to

421
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,360
say, it was highly suspicious that
this thief somehow knew that the back door

422
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:09,280
was unlocked. At the same time, this thief seemed to know exactly where

423
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,000
to go to get the money.
These retail workers sure are smart. A

424
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:19,199
week went by after we're doing our
investigation and I was told to contact Carter

425
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,719
and terminate her employment for policy violation
for leaving the store unsecured, and then

426
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,320
as far as the theft, it
was put in the hands of four PD

427
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960
to kind of go from there.
We were going to press charges, assuming

428
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,519
that it was moved forward on their
end. After the robbery, Carter was

429
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,880
let go. It was assumed that
she planned the robbery, but aside from

430
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,559
firing her and handing the investigation over
to the police, there wasn't much else

431
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,760
that American Eagle could do at that
point. Nobody at the store knew that

432
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Carter was dating David Mallory. Didn't
stop Ashley Harris from putting two and two

433
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,239
together. As soon as I walked
in that Sunday morning and Ashley has a

434
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,920
play button, she goes, that's
David Mallory. Okay, so what about

435
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,360
that? Do you know that's David
Mallory. She goes, it's the way

436
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,800
he's walking, the way he carries
himself, how skinny he is, and

437
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,239
that's David Mountain. Like without a
doubt and watching the surveillance footage, Ashley

438
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:30,159
could easily tell that the mass thief
was David Mallory. His mannerisms and lanky

439
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:36,320
frame gave him away. Even so, the managers at American Eagle were never

440
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:42,039
able to question David about the theft
because after it happened, David just for

441
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:47,280
some reason never came back to work. So so curious, so so so

442
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:58,320
curious. Somehow he suspiciously just disappeared
weird. And after that incident with the

443
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,079
theft, was David ever put back
on this schedule? Was he fired?

444
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,480
We our policy that they have hat
three consecutive no call, no shows,

445
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,440
so I'll put him on the schedule
for three consecutive shifts. And he never

446
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,840
picked a schedule up, never showed
up, so he terminated. So that

447
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,800
was shortly after afterd he ever come
back. No Sir Ashley Harris believed that

448
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,199
Carter planned the robbery and David carried
it out, and given that David never

449
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,639
came back to work, her assumption
was all but confirmed. Even so,

450
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,559
the police investigation into this theft dragged
on for months. David and Carter were

451
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:40,119
never even questioned by police about it. Carter took it very hard when she

452
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:44,599
was terminated, like she she was
not going to go down without a fight,

453
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,639
but she took it extremely hard.
But she also knows that Ashley is

454
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,639
the one that called and turned her
in. Given the nature of Carter's departure

455
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:59,400
from American Eagle and her response to
being fired, It wasn't unreasonable to suggest

456
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,480
that Carter may have had an axe
to grind with both the store itself and

457
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,559
the very recently murdered Ashley Harris.
When Carter was brought in for questioning,

458
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,039
the detectives were already highly suspicious of
her, and as she was interviewed,

459
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:21,599
Carter didn't do herself any favors to
sway those suspicions. In fact, she

460
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,920
really only made things worse. At
one point during the interview, detectives briefly

461
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:34,679
left the room, but not before
offering Carter something to eat or drink else.

462
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,480
Oh no, I'm fine, I
don't need to I guess yes,

463
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:46,000
all right, we will be.
Carter accepted a bottle of water from one

464
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:52,519
of the detectives who left the room
after handing it to her. Carter opened

465
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:57,360
the bottle and took a sip.
She then went for another sip, but

466
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:04,079
abruptly stopped before taking it. Then
a look washed over her face that can

467
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:13,199
only be described as Oh shit,
what have I done? Carter then put

468
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,320
the water bottle on a nearby table. She grabbed a tissue from a nearby

469
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:23,480
tissue box and used it to wipe
down the water bottle. Huh, what

470
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:31,039
was she doing wiping away fingerprints from
the water bottle? Wiping DNA? Maybe?

471
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,639
What did you guys do for Thanksgiving? We were here for Thanksgiving?

472
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,960
It was just me and him.
So did y'all go to dinner? Did

473
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,760
you go to I actually cooked.
I made turkey and there was stuffing and

474
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,840
mashed potatoes and green bean castrole.
Did anybody join you for dinner? No?

475
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,559
It was them. What time did
you guys have dinner? We actually

476
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:59,639
ate all day. I made it
as a lunch and we had ranted movies

477
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,480
on Whennesday night? Wednesday when you
watched this? No Wednesday. We rented

478
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,800
those movies so we could stay in
all day on Thursday and watch movies and

479
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,880
eat like David. Carter explained that
she and David were at home on Thanksgiving.

480
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,559
She claimed that they cooked eight watched
movies, and slept. She also

481
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,360
explained that on the following day,
she and David briefly left Carter's apartment to

482
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:29,519
check on some Black Friday sales before
returning home later the same evening. Naturally,

483
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:35,159
Carter never mentioned anything about going to
Ashley's apartment. Committing murder, oh

484
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,480
yeah, and setting the place on
fire. Okay, so that morning,

485
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,400
what time did you guys get up? I woke up about I don't know.

486
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,199
I guess it was about seven thirty, and talked to him for a

487
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,599
little while, and then I kind
of fell back to sleep. Okay,

488
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:52,239
And I know what time did you
wake up? I woke up about nine

489
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,639
fifteen, nine thirty. I put
the laundry in and then I was waiting

490
00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:00,679
for the office to open. When
I'm play your detective, Carter told detectives

491
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,400
that on the morning that David got
arrested in the mall parking lot, she

492
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,239
never left her apartment complex. She
claimed that when she got out of bed,

493
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,039
David was just gone and she didn't
know where he went. What Carter

494
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,880
didn't know was that the detective she
was telling the story to had watched her

495
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,880
leave the apartment that morning and drive
to the mall with David. I don't

496
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,000
know how I can put to see
you, but I'm gonna stress to you

497
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:34,079
that you need to be completely honest
with me because to this point, you

498
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,920
have not been one hundred percent with
me, okay, And I'm telling you

499
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,800
that you're in a bad position right
now, because we know what's going on.

500
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440
We know what has happened over the
last few days, okay, and

501
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:51,280
we knew what was gonna happen.
Okay. Before revealing what he knew,

502
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,800
the detective gave Carter one last chance
to revise her story, but she never

503
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,920
did. Carter stuck to her easily
disprovable lies. All right, so let's

504
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,119
start with this morning. Okay,
all right, this morning, okay,

505
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:10,719
what time do you get up?
About seven? And then what happens then?

506
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,400
And then we talked and I went
back to sleep when I woke up

507
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,960
to you wasn't there. I know
that's a lie. No, it's no,

508
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,440
it's not you know what. I
know it's a lie. Why do

509
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,440
you know it? Because I saw
you come out of your apartment and get

510
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,239
him. The passengers see of that
car, and I saw him drive out

511
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,519
of there. That's why I know
it's a lie. You're lying to me.

512
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,559
I'm sorry you were in that vehicle. I saw you exit that vehicle.

513
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,159
I saw you get in that vehicle, and I saw you exit that

514
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,960
vehicle. Oh, I've done today
is take the Well we're gonna start over

515
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,360
about what happened today. I'm sorry. I did not do anything that I

516
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:51,599
know. You didn't do anything this
morning, but that before go take the

517
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,719
laundry, and you are lying,
how did it happen? Right now?

518
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960
You're making yourself seem like you're just
a terrible person. You're a liar that

519
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,960
doesn't give a damn about your life. No, not at all. Why

520
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,679
can't you just be completely honest?
I am being completely honest. Do you

521
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,800
understand what he's saying? He was
there, Okay, he watched you,

522
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:19,320
he followed. I don't stop.
He saw it with his own eyes.

523
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,440
It's not what someone told us.
It's what he saw with his own eyes.

524
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:25,719
When you can't be honest about the
little things, when we get to

525
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,280
the big things, nothing matters.
Despite what the detective had seen, Carter

526
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:39,039
maintained her story. For whatever reason, she did not want to place herself

527
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:45,800
at the mall, and the cops
wanted to know why. What exactly were

528
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,559
Carter and David planning to do that
morning? I don't you know what a

529
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,960
You know what DNA is? Right? Do you have a problem with me

530
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,760
getting a sample of your DNA?
Yes? I would have a problem with

531
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,760
that. Do I need an attorney? What am I doing under arrest.

532
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,960
What a buckle swab. I'd just
like to do buckle swab inside your mount

533
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,960
and get a sample of your DNA. No, would you be willing for

534
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:13,559
us to consent a search to your
residence? No? There a reason.

535
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,800
Yes, because I have rights and
I'm an American citizen, and just because

536
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:22,360
you're the police doesn't make you the
gest stoppo. Again, Carter had not

537
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:28,239
done herself any favors. She had
presented herself as an uncooperative liar, and

538
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:34,519
for detectives that meant she must have
been guilty of something. Whatever. That

539
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:40,320
something was involved the murder of Ashley
Harris, the Hewlen Mall, and probably

540
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:47,880
American Eagle. For a time,
several questions lingered over this case. Who

541
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,000
killed Ashley Harris, why did they
do it? And what exactly did Carter

542
00:46:54,079 --> 00:47:00,000
and David originally plan to do at
the mall on the morning after the murder.

543
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:07,519
The cops already had the assumption that
Carter was a terrible person and a

544
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:12,960
criminal, but as they began answering
those big questions in this case, it

545
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:20,840
became clear that Carter was much more
sinister and sociopathic than anyone could have ever

546
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:46,360
suspected. On November twenty eighth,
twenty fourteen, the dead body of thirty

547
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,079
one year old Ashley Harris was discovered
inside her apartment. Ashley had been beaten

548
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:58,719
and strangled to death, and her
killer or killers set her apartment on fire

549
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:06,119
before fleeing this One witness saw a
black two door Infinity leaving the apartment complex

550
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:10,760
just before the fire, set off
smoke alarms and the building sprinkler system.

551
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,639
Fort Worth Police quickly learned that Ashley's
former coworker, twenty eight year old Carter

552
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,840
Servantes, owned a black Infinity.
Within a day of Ashley being murdered,

553
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,639
Carter was questioned by homicide detectives,
as was her nineteen year old living boyfriend,

554
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,039
David Mallory. Carter and David had
both worked alongside Ashley Harris at American

555
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:43,039
Eagle at the nearby Hewlen mall but
Carter and David were both fired after eighteen

556
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,360
thousand dollars was suddenly stolen from the
store. It was presumed by the store's

557
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:53,639
management staff, which included Ashley Harris, that Carter planned the robbery and David

558
00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:00,039
carried it out. Three months after
the robbery, Ashley Harris was founded in

559
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:06,519
her apartment thirty one year old Ashley
Harris was murdered Friday, November twenty eighth,

560
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,199
Police say because she turned into coworkers
for stealing almost twenty thousand dollars from

561
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,800
the American Eagle store where they all
worked well Steve. Ashley. Harris's neighbors

562
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,000
at her apartment complex were awakened on
that morning by fire and even water from

563
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:28,760
sprinklers leaking down through the ceiling of
their apartments. Police say that they were

564
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,760
eventually led back to Harris's coworkers,
who were suspected in that theft back in

565
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,679
August, but they weren't arrested for
the murder until this weekend. During their

566
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:45,039
initial police interviews, neither David nor
Carter admitted to any wrongdoing. They didn't

567
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:50,320
come clean about the robbery, and
they certainly didn't come clean about the murder.

568
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,280
A few more weeks went by,
which allowed police to gather more evidence.

569
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Eventually, David and Carter were both
arrested and charged with capital murder.

570
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:07,320
After these arrests were made, David
was given another opportunity to speak to detectives,

571
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:13,280
and during this second interview, David
got a taste of the overwhelming evidence

572
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,039
that cops had on both him and
Carter, and although your phone was locked,

573
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:20,360
we were able to get into We
were able to get into Carter's phone

574
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960
or when we've covered from the car
the day that we've got her. So

575
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,760
we've got a lot of stuff on
her and we're just we've been able to

576
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,400
make sense of a lot of it. And I know there was a lot

577
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,079
of communication between you and her.
There was some planning at one time in

578
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:36,960
Abilene when you were working up there. She wanted to basically hit a link

579
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,119
over at the American Eagle there.
Some of the most damning evidence that the

580
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:46,559
cops found came from David and Carter's
cell phones and reviewing their text messages,

581
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:52,400
detectives learned that before robbing the Fort
Worth American Eagle store, Carter and David

582
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:59,559
planned to quote hit a lick in
Abilene, Texas. For those of you

583
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,760
that aren't career criminals, the term
hit a lick means basically to steal a

584
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,880
lot of money from a very easy
target. There was some extensive surveillance done

585
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:16,519
by her, watching one specific manager
and her car. The plan was basically

586
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:22,719
to disable her car and then continue
with what she wanted to do. And

587
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,920
there's no doubt in our mind that
you were aware of that, because when

588
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,960
we get your phone, all the
corresponding test messages are there. Based on

589
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,800
Carter and David's texts, it was
apparent that they had followed and surveilled an

590
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,000
American Eagles store manager in the Abilene
Mall parking lot. They planned to disable

591
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:46,360
the store manager's car, incapacitate her, and steal her work keys. The

592
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,440
end goal was to break into the
American Eagles store and rob it. We've

593
00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:00,239
also got pictures which are pretty damaging, mostly to her about what she was

594
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,800
up to and what she was planning
to do. And David, I think

595
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,000
Detective Peyton and I are both of
the thinking that you know, she was

596
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,320
a mastermind behind the scene. And
that's been our position the entire time that

597
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,039
we've been investigating this case, that
she was a mastermind. She's a person

598
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,159
that likes to manipulate people, she's
a sociopath, she likes to lie,

599
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,679
and she's going to stick to her
lives. Given that Carter seemed to be

600
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:30,159
the mastermind of this criminal duo,
detectives were hoping that they could get David

601
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:36,880
to flip. What they truly wanted
was details about what happened inside Ashley Harris's

602
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,119
apartment on the night that she was
murdered. Let's start with the Abilion situation.

603
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,239
Explain to us what was going on
with that whole Ablion planning. I

604
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,559
don't know, man, She don't
want to work. She kept trying to

605
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,960
get me to quit my job and
trying to with them. So tell me

606
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,159
what her pan was. She didn't
really just like this closed everything to me.

607
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,159
She just really told me that she
wanted to hear that. For the

608
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:12,440
majority of this interview, David tried
to maintain as much plausible deniability as possible,

609
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:19,320
which wasn't easy given everything the cops
found on his cell phone. So

610
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,760
what was the plan? How was
she going to get the keys from the

611
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,599
girl? She never told me?
Mom, Daby, you gotta be honest.

612
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:29,679
Man, Man, I'm asking you
because I already know. Do you

613
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,280
remember ever going into the Hewlean or
to the Abilene mall and kind of scoping

614
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,400
out the American Eagle for her?
Do you ever remember going in or snapping

615
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:43,360
pictures of the manager's schedules? Mm
hmm is the reason why you're taking this

616
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,760
picture. So I'm getting that,
David, I take that she took that,

617
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,880
she showed it to me, she
sent it to you on your phone,

618
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,280
she sent it to you by text, she shut it from her phone,

619
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:59,000
from my phone to her phone,
and stuff like this. David,

620
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,599
that this is stuff you need to
be upfront about. I mean, this

621
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:07,639
is something you would have remembered.
Despite the pretty clear cut evidence, David

622
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:12,480
maintained that when it came to any
criminal activity, Carter was doing her own

623
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:19,480
thing. David claimed that he just
kind of watched from the background, didn't

624
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:23,679
help with any of the planning,
and wasn't privy to any of the details.

625
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:28,159
So explain to me exactly how it
was was to go down in Ablue.

626
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,239
There wasn't really just like a shad
plan. I mean she said she

627
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,800
wanted to get the keys. I
mean that was the plan. She wanted

628
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,360
to get the keys from one of
the managers. Yeah, okay, were

629
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,800
you guys going to follow her away? She never said. She just kept

630
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,119
saying that she was going to get
the keys. But then you mentioned something

631
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,800
by a tire earlier. Yeah,
I mean she said, well, maybe

632
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,920
I can pop retire or and she
would just be in the park a lot.

633
00:54:53,800 --> 00:55:00,960
Carter and David planned to attack an
unsuspecting woman in a parking lot and

634
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:05,960
still her work keys. They exchange
text messages as they surveiled the woman and

635
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,760
discussed each move as they went along, but in the end, David convinced

636
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,320
Carter to abandon this plan. This
is from her to you, do you

637
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,480
think she parked to walk out of
the movie theater doors? You respond,

638
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,599
yeah, she did, and then
you respond, she's not too far from

639
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:29,760
over a park and then she says
she has a purse, and then you

640
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,440
respond, so that's most likely where
they would be. Then she asks you

641
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,920
which side is it on? And
then you respond, I like it.

642
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,800
It all just doesn't seem peaceable.
You're there, you're watching, You're talking

643
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,199
to Carter about what's about to happen. But then you kind of try to

644
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:50,119
back oun says, this doesn't seem
peaceable, which kind of goes back to

645
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:53,159
what we're thinking. You're the smarter
guy in the whole situation. She's trying

646
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,960
to make you do this, so
when you're sitting here trying to lie to

647
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,920
us about what really happened, doesn't
make sense to David. Eventually, David

648
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:07,400
explained that Carter had filled his head
with fantasies. According to him. Carter

649
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:12,639
wanted the two of them to become
cross country bandits. They could plan and

650
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:17,159
commit robberies in one state and then
move right on to the next. America

651
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:24,000
was their oyster and they were going
to be the next Bonnie and Clyde and

652
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,480
fuck manum nineteen. Who doesn't want
who doesn't want? All that money?

653
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,199
I mean the fuck I come from
the hood. Man. I've never seen

654
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:35,960
ten thousand dollars in my life.
She said, I quit my job and

655
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,920
I could go help her go about
wherever the hell she wanted to go.

656
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,800
She said, we can go anywhere. She said, I have this car

657
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,719
and I had low miles. We
can go anywhere we can. We can

658
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,679
go anywhere. We have fifty states
that we get you from. She wanted

659
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,599
to be Bonnie and Clyde, so
she just continued, continued, can you.

660
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,519
I just kept bagging it and anyway, like, you need to come

661
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:58,559
on, You need to come on, You need to come on, You

662
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,559
need to hit the big and you
need to come quin. You need to

663
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:06,840
quit the job. David and Carter
abandoned their plan to rob American Eagle in

664
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,840
Abilene, but they followed through with
their plan to rob the American Eagle in

665
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:19,199
Fort Worth and walked away with eighteen
thousand dollars. This ultimately led to both

666
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:23,840
of them getting fired, but David
and Carter weren't finished with the Fort Worth

667
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,880
location. After losing their jobs,
they came up with a plan to hit

668
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:35,920
the store again, and that plan
involved the person that identified them as thieves,

669
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,559
Ashley Harris. But if you had
Ashley's keys, you could get in

670
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:44,679
back doors or no, no,
no, no, I mean like we

671
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,360
entered it. We entered the front
door to the gate. We just raise

672
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,920
it up a couple of feet going, and Ashley had keys to that gate,

673
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,960
correct, Okay, yes, sir, So if I had Ashley's keys,

674
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:59,119
I could get in there, and
I could also get in the deposit

675
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,920
box. Absolutely. In the early
morning hours of November twenty eighth, twenty

676
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:08,679
fourteen, Ashley Harris returned to her
apartment after working a long and tiresome Black

677
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:15,920
Friday shift at American Eagle. Detectives
theorized that shortly after arriving home, Carter

678
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:23,239
Servantes and David Mallory forced their way
into Ashley's apartment and attacked her. They

679
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:30,559
bound her feet and hands with duct
tape pistol whipped her and strangled her to

680
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:35,840
death. Then they stole her work
keys and set her apartment on fire before

681
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,159
fleeing the scene. The next morning, Carter and David drove to the Hewlen

682
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:45,320
Mall and they planned to use Ashley's
keys to break into American Eagle and rob

683
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:52,880
this store before it opened. Surveillance
cameras captured a masked woman trying to unlock

684
00:58:52,960 --> 00:59:00,320
the store's front gate. That woman
was quite obviously Carter with Carter and David

685
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,280
didn't realize is that a homicide detective
had followed them to the mall and Ashley's

686
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:12,079
keys were completely useless. Servantes and
Mallory had been fired from their jobs at

687
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:17,119
American Eagle Outfitters at Hewlen Mall after
they were suspected of stealing nearly eighteen thousand

688
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:22,960
dollars from the store safe in August. Harris had identified the pair as the

689
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:27,440
suspects. The police documents say Servants
and Mallory plan to go back to American

690
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,079
Eagle to take forty to fifty thousand
dollars in Black Friday shopping sales, but

691
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:36,760
they needed the keys from Harris.
The day after Harris was killed, Servantes

692
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,320
was seen on mall security video the
lease, saying she appears to be trying

693
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:45,920
to unlock the gate, but Servantes
and Mallory didn't know the locks had already

694
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,800
been changed. The evidence that police
had gathered in this case was overwhelming.

695
00:59:53,800 --> 01:00:00,639
That's what happens when knitwitz commit crimes, lots of evidence. Despite this,

696
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:08,320
David maintained that he had never been
to Ashley's apartment and that he had nothing

697
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:15,760
to do with the murder. Wasn't
me, said David. He also claimed

698
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,039
that on the morning after the murder, when he dropped Carter off at the

699
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,880
mall, he didn't know what Carter
was planning to do. Can I tell

700
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:30,320
you that I literally slept all like
Thanksgiving? Okay, that's what happened.

701
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,559
So she rolled out sometime. You're
in Thanksgiving where you were asleep? Yeah,

702
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:37,440
Like, I had no knowledge that
she even left. I had no

703
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,920
knowledge that she came back. I
never woke up and she wasn't there nothing.

704
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,000
I never went to sleep and she
wasn't there. Every time I was

705
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:45,519
there, she was there. Okay, Well, we know that's not the

706
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:49,159
case. You knew what she went
to the mall that day, that she

707
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,800
took over her to do that was
part of her plan. You knew she

708
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,360
had the keys. Okay, maybe
you don't want any part of it.

709
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,719
You know what you said, I'll
drive you and that's your thing. She

710
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,559
got to be honest about that.
I had about to have these cuts.

711
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:07,719
You're making a huge mistake. And
I tell him us what we're asking.

712
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,679
You're not telling us the truth.
You're not feeling in those pieces for us,

713
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,760
and you're gonna put me in the
mix with her. I'm trying to,

714
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,960
man, I know what you're trying
to. I'm trying to identify what

715
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:22,159
you did. Man, you didn't. At the very minimum, we know

716
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:23,960
that you were there, that you
drove her there, We know that for

717
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:28,840
a fact. To where to the
location where this happened to them all,

718
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:32,599
yes, ye y'all got me,
young, got me and the night before.

719
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,719
No, no, hell no,
you're saying that's a lie. Yeah,

720
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:39,840
that is a lie. Okay.
Detectives knew, or at least strongly

721
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:45,960
suspected, that David went to Ashley's
apartment with Carter and helped commit the murder,

722
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:52,320
but no matter how hard they pressed
him, David simply wouldn't give it

723
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:58,719
up. What did she tell you
say to you or show you reference the

724
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,199
death of Ashley Nothing, man,
I had no idea nobody got killed.

725
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:06,159
Man. If I had knew somebody
got killed, Man, I wouldn't have

726
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,599
helped him, I swear to God. So you're saying, if you had

727
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,840
known somebody gotten killed, you would
not have helped her kill. No,

728
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,760
there's no way she could have done
this for herself. Man. She was

729
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:22,280
one hundred pounds at the most way
of that seen blood. There's absolutely no

730
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,079
way she would have done this by
herself. I can admit, man,

731
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:30,440
I've done some bad things in my
life. Man, but I've never ever

732
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:36,719
murdered somebody. But imagine this.
You're sitting in a police interrogation room and

733
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,480
a homicide detective is accusing you of
a murder that you didn't commit. Would

734
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,960
you just sit there and meekly say, I've never murdered somebody. Bro.

735
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:52,599
I get that everyone reacts to situations
differently, But let's just say if that

736
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,280
were me and I were innocent,
of course I'd be anocent. I wouldn't

737
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:00,039
murder anymore. But let's just say
that for me, idn't be that casual.

738
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,559
In fact, my inner hispanic would
probably be coming out, and I'd

739
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,199
be screaming at the detective, telling
him that they have the wrong man.

740
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:16,199
They made a mistake, demanding a
lawyer immediately before anything else comes out of

741
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:22,000
my mouth. In fact, in
any case, these particular detectives kept pushing

742
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:29,440
David and dumb. David eventually offered
to give them more information in exchange for

743
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:34,800
a deal. Basically, David was
willing to tell the truth finally, if

744
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,960
and only if he could get something
out of it. That is, yeah,

745
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,920
I need I need a guarantee,
man, did shat on go river

746
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,320
me? Like her? I need
a guarantee? And what kind of guarantee

747
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,199
you as? I don't know?
Man? A document? I need something?

748
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,840
But we don't do that here.
The ain't the time for document with

749
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,079
the document is when we tell the
DA's office that we want to use you,

750
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,400
that's when the document to start coming
in. I ain't going to do

751
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,800
that, man, I know y, I ain't going to do that.

752
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:01,639
What are you talking about? How
are we going to railroad? Were trying

753
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:06,599
to? We're trying to. We're
asking you what she did. This is

754
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:11,440
a capital case and I'm glad that
that's finally slunk in your head. If

755
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,480
that's what this is again the evidence
in this case was overwhelming. Not only

756
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:23,159
did detectives not have the authority to
offer David any deals, but quite frankly,

757
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:29,000
they didn't need to offer him any
deals. They had him dead to

758
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:32,440
write. Not really sure what that
expression means. I just I've heard it

759
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,719
said before, so there it is
dead to write. Not sure if I

760
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:41,599
even said it the right way.
But besides that, the purpose of this

761
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:47,079
interview was really just to make the
case even stronger and to more specifically determine

762
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,119
what Carter and David did on the
morning of Ashley's murder. Okay, tell

763
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:56,079
us what you did, because we
know that the very minimum you drove her

764
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,960
there. You may not have gone
in and did what you did to this

765
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,320
girl, or she did they did
to this girl, But the very minimum

766
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,760
you drove. And there's a difference
somebody that just drives and somebody actually goes

767
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,440
in and does it. I didn't
even drive there. I don't know we

768
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,000
had this to place. You driving. You just stay in the car,

769
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,679
and you were supposed to like honker
something if something happened. Okay, but

770
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:19,360
you were at least there. I
wasn't there telling you. You're not just

771
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,480
doing this for yourself. Man,
you gotta do this for other people.

772
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,960
Man, I can't tell you I
told you the lies that I told you,

773
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,679
and I told you the truth about
them, the people that matter,

774
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,480
the jury. There's going to be
people that aren't made aware of this interview,

775
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:42,559
and I want those people to know
this truth. The only reason not

776
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:46,320
to tell the truth about all this
is if you're a killer. If you

777
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:55,239
are a cold blooded, thieving,
stealing killer, and stick to it because

778
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,519
you have nothing else. There is
nothing redeemable about you. That is the

779
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:05,119
only reason to stick to the lies, because you can't swallow the peal of

780
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:09,159
being a killer. You're big enough
to do it, but you're not big

781
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,880
enough to admit to it, and
that makes you. That makes you nothing,

782
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:19,480
That makes you unredeemable, That makes
you a liar, That makes you

783
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:28,880
a capital murder actor. After three
hours of interrogation, detectives determined that they

784
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,960
weren't going to get anything else from
David. He was sticking to his guns

785
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:40,480
and unwilling to admit that he took
part in Ashley's murder, So detectives called

786
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,559
it quits, but not before getting
in a few more well deserved jobs.

787
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:50,559
And let me tell you something.
If we were sitting in different chairs and

788
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:55,440
you were accusing me of it,
I'd be standing up, screaming, yelling,

789
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:59,599
stark, raving mad. If I
was innocent, he had never been

790
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:04,280
that. You never will be that
because you're guilty of killing Ashley Harris.

791
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:09,280
Fuck you, no, fuck you? Fuck you. You want to you

792
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,880
want to talk to me? What
are you gonna do? Huh? Because

793
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,440
I'm gonna walk out of here.
That's all you got, all you got

794
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,760
when I can fuck Ashley, when
I confront you with the truth and get

795
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,960
in your face like a man,
because you're nineteen now on your man.

796
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,960
When I confront you with the truth, all you can say is fuck you.

797
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,320
That doesn't hurt me, dude,
because that doesn't affect me. That's

798
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,679
a kid's answer. That is the
way of an ignorant child who has nothing

799
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:40,519
else could Everything you're telling every day
is a lie. You've been confronted with

800
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:45,280
your actions, You've been confronted with
your deeds and your reason. I termine

801
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:51,599
that you shut your bits as you're
you're a man excu I'm done. I'm

802
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:55,480
done. You ain't finna sit here
and cladden the road. Damn killed man.

803
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:57,760
That's the real day. You got
me. Fuck, that's the one

804
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,079
I wanted to see right there,
that's the one I wanted to see do

805
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:06,480
It had nothing to do with Carter. You're the thug from the hood who

806
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:11,840
killed her. She's a little one
hundred pound girl, and you're a killer

807
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,159
dude killing Oh yeah, ask me
in thirty years when you're halfway through your

808
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:19,880
sentence, if you're a killer,
tell mes a county. Yeah, you're

809
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:26,600
going David made his choice. He
was not going to cooperate with police,

810
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,600
and this interview came to an end, but not before one of the detectives

811
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:35,239
made a prediction. Unless we know
exactly what you did that comes out of

812
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:39,399
your mouth, I'm not talking about
Carter telling us because I'm guarantee you the

813
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,720
sooner or later she want to be
sitting right here. She may not get

814
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,560
the opportunity, but I can guarantee
you that she's going to try, and

815
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,560
we don't want her telling your story. This is your story, and like

816
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,840
I tell you the first time,
you cannot afford somebody tell your story,

817
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:54,720
because I can guarantee you that she's
going to make you the bad guy.

818
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,640
She's going to say it was David's
plan. He's the one that hated this

819
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,960
girl. He's the one that needed
money. She didn't put it on you,

820
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:04,359
David, I'm telling you Mann.
Surprisingly, detectives turned out to be

821
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:12,079
completely right. In May of twenty
sixteen, Carter Servantes took her case to

822
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:16,239
trial. She testified in her own
defense, and her story was one that

823
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:30,600
we have heard many times before.
I was very afraid to do over word

824
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:35,079
I had kill. According to Carter, David was violent, sexually abusive,

825
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:41,560
and controlling. Yes, of course
she's going to claim these things after she's

826
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:47,800
caught red handed. As always,
she claimed that their relationship had devolved to

827
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:53,800
the point where Carter was in fear
for her life and that David had threatened

828
01:09:53,800 --> 01:10:00,439
to kill her on multiple occasions.
So naturally, Carter had no t voice

829
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:05,079
but to do exactly what David told
her to do. How many times have

830
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:11,479
we heard that before? Do this
telling me what to drink, what to

831
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:18,359
eat, and he maybe have sex
with him in the movie. While on

832
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,920
the witness stand, Carter also claimed
that, in order to keep her in

833
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:28,279
line, David enlisted the help of
two of his friends to rape Carter.

834
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:33,279
Somebody pushed me down right when I
got into the apartment to go out my

835
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:42,800
swell hats and pulled him down into
my ankles and they raped me. Were

836
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:53,399
you yeah? String Carter spun quite
a tail and was clearly hoping to garner

837
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,520
some sympathy from her jury. It
all sort of reminds me of a certain

838
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:05,840
Aquaman actress. When prosecutors were given
the chance to cross examine Carter, one

839
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:11,520
of the things they asked her about
involved her police interview. They wanted to

840
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,720
know why Carter had wiped down the
water bottle that the police had given her.

841
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:24,159
Carter's response was just as surprising as
it was unbelievable. Carter claimed,

842
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:30,159
get this, that she wasn't trying
to wipe away DNA or fingerprints. No,

843
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,279
no, no, no, that's
that's silly she was. She was

844
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:41,079
just trying to wipe away the overwhelming
smell of seamen because the water bottle reminded

845
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:46,760
her of being raped by David's friends. Iwe I swear to, I swear

846
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:58,279
to. I can't make this up. It's just swater swater. As for

847
01:11:58,359 --> 01:12:01,880
the morning of the murder, carter
story wasn't all that different from David's.

848
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:08,720
According to Carter, the murderer must
have been carried out entirely by David Well

849
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:13,600
she was asleep at home. The
next day, David drove Carter to the

850
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,319
Hewlen Mall, gave her Ashley's work
keys, pointed a gun at her,

851
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:23,760
and demanded that Carter use those keys
to rob the American Eagle store. Gave

852
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,640
me some clothes, told me to
put along, and then he handed me

853
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,880
a set of American Eagle Peace and
he said, go in and over the

854
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,760
gate, bring me that bad ass
deposit. I shook my head, but

855
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,199
I wasn't going to do it,
and he said, you don't understand.

856
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,640
There's somebody sitting outside your parents' house
right now. If you don't go in

857
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,640
them, then to kill them,
and then I'm going to kill you.

858
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:57,560
During Carter's trial, a lot of
details about this case were revealed for starters.

859
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,359
When police searched Carter's car, they
found a semi automatic pistol with Ashley

860
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:09,760
Harris's DNA on it. The prosecution
theor is that this gun was initially used

861
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:15,600
to gain Ashley's compliance when David and
Carter broke into her apartment, and was

862
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,520
later used to pistol whip her,
which explains the bruising and abrasions on Ashley's

863
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:27,119
body. Also, Carter had clearly
surveilled Ashley's apartment during the weeks leading up

864
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:31,199
to the murder, as there were
several photos on her phone of Ashley's apartment

865
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:39,760
complex, Ashley's truck, and the
stairwell leading up to Ashley's front door.

866
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,079
Just a quick pro tip, if
you're thinking of murdering someone, don't take

867
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:50,840
pictures of their apartment beforehand. I
know some of you are dumber than most,

868
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:56,279
but you know there it is.
There's a tip for you. That

869
01:13:56,319 --> 01:14:02,199
one's for you. Prosecutors also revealed
that this wasn't a situation of a robbery

870
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:11,039
that incidentally turned into a deadly homicide. Now this was a murder. The

871
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:16,600
murder of Ashley Harris was always part
of the plan. Also found on Carter's

872
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:24,399
phone or text messages with David that
included map coordinates. These coordinates led police

873
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:30,039
to a shallow grave in a deserted
area of Abilene, Texas, about one

874
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:35,479
hundred miles away from Ashley's apartment.
Police also recovered a sales receipt and surveillance

875
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:42,199
footage of Carter purchasing gloves, a
tarp, and two shovels. I mean,

876
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,760
you might as well just walk into
the police station with the evidence at

877
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,079
this point, if you're that dumb. The prosecution theorized that Carter planned to

878
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:55,840
abduct Ashley, steal her work,
keys, murder her, and then bury

879
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,600
Ashley in that shallow grave for whatever. There for a reason, and much

880
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,399
like the rest of Carter's plan,
things didn't really play out as intended.

881
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:12,319
Instead of driving Ashley to her intended
burial site, Carter and David must have

882
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:16,159
decided to leave her body in the
apartment and burn the place down. Of

883
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:24,359
course, no thought or consideration was
given to any of the other occupants of

884
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:30,239
the apartment complex. The thought that
more people could be injured or killed didn't

885
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:35,720
even cross their minds. As for
David, he also took his case to

886
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:43,560
trial and maintained the same story that
he told detectives. His lawyers argued that

887
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,479
if Carter did go over to Ashley's
apartment and murder her, David knew nothing

888
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:54,399
about it. In the end,
both Carter and David were unsuccessful in convincing

889
01:15:54,439 --> 01:16:00,800
their respective juries that their partner was
solely responsible for the killing. They were

890
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,520
both convicted of murder and sentenced to
life in prison without the possibility of parole.

891
01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:12,000
In Carter's case, the jury deliberated
for only two hours, which came

892
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:17,359
as no surprise because frankly, Carter
was a shitty criminal. As for her

893
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:24,560
motivation, things aren't as simple as
they may seem. Yeah, Carter had

894
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:29,640
an ax to grind. She was
angry that Ashley accused her of robbing American

895
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,880
Eagle, she was angry that she
got fired. And yes, Carter wanted

896
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:39,760
to steal a lot of money.
But all of those things were just peripheral.

897
01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:45,119
Carter's criminal acts were driven by something
much more complicated and kaya that she

898
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:49,760
is. Do you do you know
the word narcissistic? Okay? I think

899
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:55,960
she's one of the most narcissistic people
I've ever come across. Just looking at

900
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:00,279
her pictures and stuff on her phone. Her world revolves around her. Her.

901
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,079
Her world is all about her.
Have you ever seen her do something

902
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:10,399
for someone else. When detectives investigated
this case, it didn't take them long

903
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:19,560
to understand Servantes. She obviously lacked
empathy and remorse, and she had complete

904
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:29,119
disregard for the law. The woman
was a textbook sociopath, and when it

905
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:33,760
comes to killers like her, the
easily understood motivations for murder like anger,

906
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:41,880
revenge, or greed don't really apply. You see, Carter Servantes is what

907
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:48,720
is commonly referred to as a thrill
killer. She wasn't seeking victory over Ashley

908
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:59,800
or revenge against American Eagle. What
truly motivated Carter was something much more terrifying

909
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:08,279
to the average human being here on
earth. What truly motivated Carter was the

910
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:15,920
agony of her past defeats. And
like most thrill killers and sociopaths, the

911
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:23,359
only satisfaction that Carter could find was
planning out and carrying out her crimes.

912
01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:29,319
Any money or retribution that she gained
as a result was just a bonus or

913
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:34,119
a cherry on top, if you
will. Two years after the murder of

914
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:40,319
Ashley Harris, Carter took her case
to trial and tried to lie her way

915
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:46,039
out of trouble. She demonstrated that
she had not changed and will likely never

916
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:53,199
change. She knew every step of
the way that what she was doing was

917
01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:58,880
wrong, and she didn't care.
She didn't care about the life she took

918
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:05,399
or the people she heard, and
her only regret was that she got caught.

919
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,319
Well, it's hard not to get
a little sentimental at the end of

920
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:27,560
the year, but I do want
to say that I love you guys.

921
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:31,479
I know it's hard to hear that
from another adult that you've never met through

922
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:39,000
a telephonic computer device, but I
mean it. You guys have changed my

923
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:45,199
life so much for the better,
and you've affected the lives of countless others

924
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,800
who work on this show every day. Try to bring you the content that

925
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:59,000
you appreciate, try to do it
in a respectful and responsible way. All

926
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:05,159
of us here at Swords and especially
I appreciate you so much. You guys

927
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:13,000
who are still here, actually see
through the bullshit. You actually see what's

928
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:18,239
happening. You see that authenticity is
no longer valued, that people value fake

929
01:20:18,399 --> 01:20:24,000
fucks. Politician like fake fucks that'll
tell them everything they want to hear.

930
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:29,479
And that's not me. That'll never
be me. I just tell the truth

931
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,760
because that's all that I know how
to do. So if you're still here

932
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,720
with us in twenty twenty four,
thank you and stay safe. Hime night.

933
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:42,960
My name is Dominique and I'm in
Houston and I just listened to US

934
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,560
episode one fifty three and it hits
me off. I consider myself to be

935
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:55,680
pretty liberal, but I'm over all
of these new as diagnoses for mental health

936
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:00,279
disorders. Give me a damn boing. Okay, this is what happens when

937
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:06,520
you bring an entire generation of athletes
that get participation in trophies because they showed

938
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:11,039
up. Now they don't know how
to take rejections, and when they get

939
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:15,039
told no, now you got to
stab somebody. This is dumb, but

940
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:19,760
that's all great podcast that our listeners
is like day three, It's amazing to

941
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,880
keep doing what you're doing and everybody
else can kick around