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I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jagin's oh
scutt a guy Kevin in Today. Hello.

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Hello, Well Thursday afternoon, almost
the end of the week. Didn't

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we just come? This week?
Went fast? Don't kill it, don't

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kill it, no hitter, I
know, but I got up. I

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got up this morning and I'm like, crap, Thursday. Here's the thing,

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because I had a Dnnis appointment this
morning. So I've been thinking about

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this damn Dinnis appointment still all week. And I hit it and I'm like,

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he's still on your edge that you're
taking it this way or what?

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No? No, no, no, it's gone fast. It's gone fast,

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dude. How old is your dentist? Uh, he's young. He's

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used to be a basketball manager.
Okay, I have a new dad forty

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forty, have a new Dennis and
Dougie Houser. I think he's younger than

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my son. Everybody. It's the
way of the world now, right,

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you know, watch TV news really
good, you know, did a really

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nice job. I loved his hygienist, April, thank you for the for

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the you know, for the work
today. She was very nice. But

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she was new to Well it's a
new dentist for me, new Dennis so

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and uh, they they're really good. But he's a child. No,

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that's just the way of the world. Is your your life the rest of

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your life. Everybody's younger than your
rush your life, you're going to be

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depending on some doogie house or dude
saving this old man to live some more

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lives. Yeah, you're never going
to be younger than you are right now.

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And you're never gonna be older than
you are. The dude that did

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my my surgery a year ago,
I just got a letter from he's retiring,

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and I said he should retire before
he did my surgery because he was

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old. Well, say, that's
the thing I'm I'm looking for. I've

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got to I'm I'm kind of in
between of that because the doctor I've had,

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the general practitioner, I've had her
for forty years and you freaking retired

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on me, Like, what the
hell are you doing? So you were

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supposed to outlive me and that worked
me. Now I gotta go, I

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gotta go find a doctor. Yeah, we're that age man. Yeah,

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on the cusp of nowhere, meaningless. And then little kids coming in across

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across the way. Well, the
Kevin's of the world. Although Kevin,

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you don't look twelve. I appreciate
there's some guys who are listening. Who

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I know who I'm talking Who knows
who I'm talking about with this Dennis,

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he's just a boy. Yeah,
no, no, no, I guess

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that's the way of the world.
Uh, hey, a lot of good

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things. Today. We have Paula
Woven from the she's with the world or

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cronkite scro but she's also a former
uh put her together, how would you

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College Football Playoff committee member? Right
right, So we're gonna pick her brain

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right to see to see what they're
thinking. Yeah. Uh and maybe she

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doesn't know, but the room.
Yeah, she's been in the room behind

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the curtain a little bit. We
had her a few months ago, kind

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of to this point a while back. But now it's kind of prickly.

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This is that man, you know, and and the conversation is crazy about

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the scenarios. Everybody wants to run
through all the scenarios, and there's so

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many of them. You really can't, no, I know, because if

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this happens, that happens, that's
the whatever happens, you just gotta be

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patience. Really telling though, because
I was listening to the the College Football

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Game Day whatever College game Day podcast
with three S. Davis and there's the

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other guy, Pete Damil and out
of the box instead of the first thing

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they talked about was how does Ohio
State get in? And I'm like,

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WHOA. First of all, that's
so yeah, that's so far off.

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Why are you talking about the other
things? Right? But you know what

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happens if Georgia loses and Alabama wins. Instead, they spent the first five,

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six, seven minutes of their podcast
talking about how Ohio Steak can get

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in? What was the purpose?
That was just the first thing that came

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up because they talked about the rank
They talked about the rankings. They went

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you know, three, four,
five, and then six Ohio State and

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then they launched into, you know, five or six minutes of how Steak

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gets in? And I'm like,
wait a minute, why don't we talk

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about what happens, you know with
the PAC twelve championship, what happens?

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You know, how does Texas get
in? You know? It was just

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weird that they went straight to figuring
out a way to get Ohio State.

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And the answer to that in two
seconds is they can't get in. They

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can't. No, they can,
but so many things have to happen.

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It's not what we're talking about.
Well, exactly, the miracles have to

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happen, right, So, yeah, there's that we're not we're talking about.

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Okay, So we'll have her on
at three fifteen, three seventeen something

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like that, and then in the
second hour we have Lamont Huntley still maybe

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talking about the UA football program.
He's he has something in common with you.

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I won't tell you what it is
until he comes on. It's not

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that we both played in the NFL, because I didn't know, but that

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was my first guy. I'm out, So I'll spring that on both of

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you guys this time the next time, so we can talk about it on

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the fly. Uh. So it
should be fun and the issue game of

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course, and then well there are
chances in the Bowl game and all that,

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because we're gonna hear about that Sunday, right right, Yeah, we

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will know Sunday. All all signs
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Saw a thing from Ryank Karchy from
the La Times. He says he

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thinks, uh, or the signs
are pointing to us. He taken on

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Clemson in the Holiday Bowl, which
is one of the balls that Arizona could

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be under consideration for. If that's
the case, When you would see they

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landed in a nice spot, that
is, that's better than they could expect.

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I was thinking they dropped to the
Sun Bowl or yeah, exactly,

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and it's only because it's near down
the road. Yeah. Well, and

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part part of it is that the
Holiday Bowls is not gonna take We heard

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from Wilner holleyballs not taking U c
l A for what they did to him

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a couple of years ago. Then
Oregon State's without a coach, so you

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know, and and there's some breaking
up state quarterback. We'll get to that.

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You know that. Then you know
who's available, right Uh, you

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know you got you know really Arizon
is that you know the third place team.

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So then after that you go to
Oregon state, and you've got you

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know, where is Calgo? I
mean, there's so many different places.

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On's the holiday? What day that's
it? That's it, like the day

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after the aliment. So if they
went there, I'm sure you would go

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there. You are you cause Arizona
went to the Holiday Ball. Yeah no,

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well you don't. Actually I shouldn't
say this because if my family's listening,

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they're gonna they're gonna light me up. We're gonna be in California.

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Oh so that week, so doing
stuff that we've been planning for six months,

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and all all of a sudden,
you might they land in the Holiday

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Bowl. That's kind of like,
can we teach plans just a little bit,

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just for one day for deer?
Please do you love me? But

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yeah, but if that happens,
that happens, I think more fans will

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go there. Obviously, then they
would go to San Antonio. The holiday

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is December twenty seventh, and then
the Alamo Bowl is the twenty eighth.

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So the twenty seventh is Wednesday.
The twenty eighth is Thursday of that.

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Okay, we're gonna be off that
week, the whole week, and I'm

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gonna just tell you, like whether
whether it matters to you or not.

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I'm gonna I'm not gonna be here
tomorrow, so we're gonna call it.

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Got some business. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna come in some other business.

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You know it's gonna be mean tomorrow. You and I, You and

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I. I guess that's it.
Yeah, I'll get lunch. I love

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lunch. Okay, we'll just forgure
out what we do do. I love

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lamp? You know that? You
know that that reference? What did you

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say? I love lamp? No? You know that reference? No Anchorman,

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No, I don't. Yeah,
that's why I literally watched that movie

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like five nights Schilly move, silly. Yeah, what's the reference? Brick?

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Are you just saying you love things
that you see? Oh? Yeah?

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And he's like, I love desk, I love lamp. That's another

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reason why I didn't watch that movie
on. Okay, before we move on,

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while we're on the movie. Your
your favorite Christmas movie? Oh?

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I don't know. I have one
here. That's the one where the Island

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Misfit Toys. No, that's not
a movie, that's as show. That's

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Rudolf. I'm talking about it like
a movie movie. Rotate to Steve,

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he doesn't have one. He's a
great and I don't know of Christmas story.

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If you can impress me again,
Hooler Express. Okay, Hohler Express.

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Classics were watching it since I was
like five, Okay, legit,

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all right, see Steve get a
favorite Christmas A lot of good ones Christmas

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Christmas story. Okay, all right. He squeezed out the guy who was

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about to die or die and I
don't want to hell this. Yeah,

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he came back and people loved him. Actually maybe, Oh you're thinking of

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a wonderful lie that one. I
should have known you would love a tragic

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Christmas. Die hard die hard in
this. You know, you guys,

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you know what. We debate that
for a whole long time. We only

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have six more, all I know. Bruce Willis himself came out and said,

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it's not the Christmas movie my my, my late brother in law,

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you know, rest in peace,
thought it was his favorite Christmas movie.

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Just what you're not in tomorrow?
You know what that means? Picks.

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Oh, okay, I'll send him
to I'll send him to and that'll be

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the test, you see if I'm
the curse. Yeah, I'll send him

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to Kevi I forgot about that.
Okay, I'll get him to Kevin.

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Don't miss it. Well, maybe
you should mess hm up. That's what

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I can't any more than I have. I was just gonna say, maybe

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I'm the curse, but also Jay's
picks may already be cursed, so maybe

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it's like that canceling out effect that
Well, I'm not worried about Jay because

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he's gone on. I'm a non
factor Heve's life of picks. Yeah,

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okay, because I'm very interested in
this conversation of college football playoffs, not

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because she's Paul is going to be
able to tell us what she thinks is

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going to happen, but just like, how does it? What's described?

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What are these? What is it
seems to me I didn't realize this is

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the tenth year of already the college
football playff. It seems to me like

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this is the year that's like the
tough fist of all. Don't you think

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there's the most parody, there's more
teams in it to the end. Do

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you remember what happened in the past? I don't. I don't know is

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a recentcy by AXS, but but
this is the perfect time when they should

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have had the twelve right. Yeah, this year would have been great for

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the twelve right. And that's what
that's what you know. So many people

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are saying, which would be cool
because the Arizona still might have a shot

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at it. They could be data
but debatable. What do you guys,

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what do you guys think about the
conversation that's been going on. I think

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Kirk curve Street started it because he's
kind of on the committity and committee excuse

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me, and he came out and
was like, I need to know,

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you know, we should be more
clear on is it the most deserving teams

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or is it the best teams?
Where do you guys fall on? Well,

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they say the deserving say that's the
best, but what should it be?

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It's supposed to be the best.
That's what the bylaws or whatever of

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the of the playoff committee say.
But I think, you know, again,

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I look, if Florida State is
twelve and zero, and Oregon is

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eleven and one, Washington's eleven and
one, Alabama is eleven and one,

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Texas is eleven and one, and
Georgia's eleven and one or twelve and one,

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whatever they are, and and Florist
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think they're behind all those teams,
but I also think they should be in

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the playoffs. I think if you
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in the playoffs. Well, it's
kind it's kind of like the Heisman.

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Honestly, who's the best player in
college football? Who's you who? They're

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gonna give it to quarterback whether he
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best team yeh, or the best
quarterback on the highest rated team, presumably,

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But there's pretty good players. There's
other probably other places, yeah,

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other positions. But it is what
it is. I mean basketball, we

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go through this in March, sixty
eight teams and there's teams that there's teams

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that are better than other teams,
but that's because of some of the automatic

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automatic bids. But when you're talking
about the at large bids, always somebody

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says that team was better than that
team was because they were better than that,

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because they were better than that.
And you have sixty eight of them

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just four yeah, yep, ye
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we'll see if we can get Paula
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Yeah, little what are they doing
today, tomorrow and the next day to

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get ready for you know, our
friend Mark Carlin, maybe afterwards, I

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think this is his last year on
the committee. You know, maybe we'll

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get him afterwards and say, okay, Mark, what the hell was that?

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Like? Did you have fun?
Right? Right? No, I'm

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sure they I'm sure these guys are
glad they're not or Paula's probably glad that

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she's not on it, or maybe
she's maybe she enjoyed it, you know,

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especially under these conditions, because it's
you're inside the trenches of I mean,

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what's going to be happening. I
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career you voted for AP or yeah, you know for about twenty years,

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rankings and stuff like that. Did
you feel any pressure about that? No?

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No, not so much in terms
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in terms of the you know,
what people would think, not what

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people, but that our people are
watching what you're doing. I don't think.

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I don't think I could be wrong
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like fifteen years, Uh, they
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our picks until recently. More recently, but you know, I mean I

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am the state Wooden guy. I'm
the head of the Wooden but no,

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not really. I just got to
make sure every he votes. Yeah.

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You know, that's kind of the
pressure. You know, you got to

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vote, please vote, yeah,
don't forget. Yeah, but like you

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know, this will be my uh
my third year voting for the Heisman.

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I'll feel a little pressure on this
because I want to get it right.

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Okay, But I've had my opinion
as to who deserves the Heisman all my

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life and now I'm voting for it. And I did vote for it one

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other time when I was, you
know, covering football back in the day.

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But I kind of feel like I
don't want to screw this up.

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But you can't. I mean,
it's your pick, it's my pick,

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I know, but I want to
pick the right guy for the right reason.

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You want to land on the right
side of history, right, you

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want to look back? No?
Is that that's not it? No,

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no, no, it's that I
want to make sure that the guy I

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pick is worthy, Okay, and
that's what you should do. Yeah.

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Then the other day, yeah,
hey, let's take the break now,

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Okay, take the break, and
then about four minutes come back with Paula

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Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jackensaustin. I want, if

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only have PAULA Boyman, former College
Football Committee member, former columnists for The

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Arizona Republish. Paula, how you
doing? I am good? Thank you

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good good. We're trying to figure
out what the committee's going through right now.

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First of all, are you happy
you're not on or happy or not

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happy you're Is this a good time? I didn't know I'm going through withdrawal.

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It would be so fun to be
in that room right now, because

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especially you know, after this weekend's
games, it could chaos could ensue,

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you know, if Alabama wins or
whatever. So no, I really really

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miss it. I was gonna say, well that that's sort of my question.

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You know, do you do you
prefer do you prefer the chaos that

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we're about to see or that could
come about, or would you rather kind

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of have a pretty good feel for
it going in and not have to make

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a lot of hard decisions. You
know, I think I prefer the chaos

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now that I'm aside the room.
You know, you know, if we

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even went in there was chaos when
I was on the committee, it just

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led to some really healthy, sometimes
animated, deep discussions about the right thing.

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You know, ultimately you want the
right final four at the end of

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the season. So if it's clear
pretty quickly, yeah, that makes the

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job easier. But I don't think
any of us ever backed away from having

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a good, healthy argument about who
should be there. And I'm sure there

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were a fuel right over the last
four or five years. Jay, what

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were you brought something up? This
is the tenth year, This is the

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tenth year of the of the of
the playoffs, and you said this was

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like the most controvertial. It seems
to me like this is the year where

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it's as the most chaotic. We're
some the most possibilities of the most different

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things that could happen based on all
these games that have come down to the

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last weekend. Was there any one
you did it for four years? Was

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there anyone that you thought was this
kind of crazy as this one is turning

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out to be? You know,
I mean this year seems particularly unique.

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You look at I think it's like
five through eight or all eleven and one

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teams who could all make really good
arguments, you know, in the top

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four, all undefeated team who have
been playing great. But when you have

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you know, suddenly a different quarterback
in, or you have the argument of

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a one lost team going over a
no last s team. There's all kinds

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of crazy scenarios this season, for
sure. So and yeah, like I

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said, after this weekend, it
could get really fun. Yeah, no

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question. And by this time that
all the members have seen what twenty thirty

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forty fifty games, they're probably footballed
out because they've seen so many games and

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have so many opinions. Yeah,
you know, and it was and I

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can't remember I've mentioned this to you
before, but we were all giving these

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given these iPads, and every game
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that iPad. We would be able
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where there are no commercials and you
could really speed through them. And

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at the beginning of the season,
you're watching an unbelievable amount of games because

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you don't quite know who those top
thirty forty teams are. It starts to

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become clear a lot clearer toward the
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not watching quite as many. But
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know, I'd take breaks from work
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for the readings. So there is
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about how we used to get to
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and I can tell you we were
watching a lot of football seas. So

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what what are you looking for?
It's kind of like a horse race,

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right, who am I going to
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at the racing form all that information? So what do you look trying to

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decipher? Yeah, I mean there's
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thing. You know. Part of
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consider is that they won a championship, so that would always conference championship.

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That would always help strength to schedule. We had all these sort of metrics

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available to us where we combine or
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of schedule. We'd look at head
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same opponent, and then we'd kind
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opponents, and you know, with
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So there was all those elements in
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the eye test. I mean,
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was eleven one that looked better than
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games side by side, and so
we put that team above. So there's

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a lot of stuff involved. It's
not just one thing, but those are

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some of the main ones. Well, well, here's the sort of a

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million dollar question. You know,
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you know, however, many people
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a different priority than the others,
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know, maybe there was some certain
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you, but were they the most
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a pile, How does that work? That's a great question, and I

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think that's why they really tried to
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know, to my right whe year
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the athletic director of Florida, and
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Ronnie was very much sort of an
eye test guy. You could watch a

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very much into numbers and staffs and
their strength of schedule. And so the

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way we worked that out, you
know, there are thirteen of us in

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the room, and we would hash
it out for hours and hours and hours,

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and sometimes you're sort of convincing the
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and it's very very animated, and
it would often go into the wee hours

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of the night. But we were
always able to come to a conclusion,

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you know, and it was just
based on some strong arguments people would make.

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So how many people on that committee? Twelve? Is it? How

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many? Yeah? Thirteen? Thirteen? So how are those meetings? Because

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if you have twelve people and two
people sometimes can't agree on anything a way

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into the late night. How does
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They were fun. You know what
we'd do is we'd go in there and

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pretty much start the day by everybody
ranks their top thirty just based on their

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we'd do that and as we were
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these arguments or not even arguments,
they're really just healthy discussions over the course

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00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.079
of the evening, and then we'd
sleep on it and we'd come back the

408
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.000
next morning and we'd do the same
thing for half a day. But everybody

409
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:33.279
really came equipped with a lot of
knowledge. We were also assigned certain conferences,

410
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:34.880
so we could kind of be experts
on there, you know, if

411
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.960
there had been injuries, how a
team is playing. So there is just

412
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:45.000
so much information being passed around that
room that really did After those couple of

413
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.240
days, you felt good about the
poll that you came up with. Well,

414
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.400
we're talking to paula boy before a
remember of the college football path committee

415
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.960
giving us a little insight here.
So it's Thursday, all right, so

416
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.480
they you know, this thing's got
to come out on Sunday morning. You

417
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.039
know, what are you doing on
what do you do on Thursday? When

418
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:06.359
does everybody get to Dallas? And
then when does the arguing or the discussion

419
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.440
begin for the weekend? Youd questioned, with pizza boxes. Yeah, yeah,

420
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.359
pretty much. So this, yeah, this last weekend is unique because

421
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.839
typically we were in Dallas from I
would be there from Sunday night until Tuesday

422
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:23.759
afternoon. So there was this last
poll that ended Tuesday, and a lot

423
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:29.720
of us would just stay this week
in Dallas. And then the one thing

424
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.240
that they were very adamant about is
everybody on the committee had to watch that

425
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.839
final week of games together, championship
games together, even the ads. You

426
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.880
might have a team playing down the
road, you know, at the Cowboys

427
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.319
Stadium or something for conference championship.
They could not leave the hotel either.

428
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.519
So those games, you know,
usually started I think Friday night. There

429
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.519
were a lot of games Saturday.
We were in this you know, a

430
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.359
conference room of this really nice hotel
and we were this there all day and

431
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.640
night, and they would bring honestly, endless amounts of food. I can't

432
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.279
I can't tell you how many peanut
M and ms I ate during the course

433
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.279
of those meetings. They feed us. Well, but yeah, we're just

434
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.640
watching games. And then so right
after the you know, we would meet

435
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.880
it's Saturday evening and start talking about
the games, and if there was a

436
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.559
late game, then we would regroup
after that and then we would meet again.

437
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.680
You know, we'd sleep on it. We'd meet again Sunday morning,

438
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.839
and then we'd have something ready to
go by you know, early afternoon or

439
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.480
whatever. So I'm curious, is
there discussion during the games or no discussion?

440
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.599
Yeah, no, there's there's discussion
in the sense of I mean,

441
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.400
we're not sitting at our tables debating
like we usually do. But we're sitting

442
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.119
in chairs in a big room and
there'll be a big play and someone will

443
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.559
say, hey, did you you
know that quarterback is hot today? Or

444
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.440
did you see how those you know, those the linebackers have been playing just

445
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.559
like they've been playing all season,
or those kind of conversations. You know,

446
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.400
we'd be talking in that way about
the different things that we'd be see

447
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.319
we'd be seeing. So is it
when when is the first like sort of

448
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.240
a like, I know you're going
in, you've got rankings, but then

449
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.599
after whatever you had on Tuesday on
the weekend, when is the first time

450
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:14.200
there's like you start to rank them
where there's a vote or however you guys

451
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.720
do it that it starts to come
together, I think. So I'm trying

452
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.680
to remember what the scheduled games were, but I think it would be it

453
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.640
was Saturday, you know, after
the game, all the games, or

454
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.640
at least most of the games were
done. You know, if there was

455
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.079
a late game, then we meet
again after that late game to adjust,

456
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.799
but that would start Saturday night,
you know, and a lot of the

457
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.160
some of the a lot of the
teams in the top twenty five might be

458
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.160
done playing already. So a lot
of the discussion was a lot of those

459
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.559
top teams, right well, in
this case, you have you said eight

460
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:51.720
you talked about eight right wood loss
teams whatever it is, there's only four

461
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.640
slots. So and then, like
Jay says, there's so many different scenarios

462
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.839
if this happens, this is gonna
happen, This gonna happen, And you're

463
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:02.799
thinking, well, we're thinking that. The committee says, please none of

464
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:08.359
these happen, are well, yeah, I mean, you know, it's

465
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:14.000
definitely you know, the biggest thing
is you want to come out Sunday feeling

466
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.359
really really confident that you got it
right. And so there are some scenarios

467
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.720
that would certainly make it easier,
you know, if these certain teams won

468
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.559
and things like that. But I
you know, I don't think the committee

469
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:32.039
ever backed away from a challenge either. So while it would be nice to

470
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:37.720
have it easy every time, you
know, the process I think really results

471
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.039
in the right four. I mean, I think it's really worked out well

472
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.559
over the years, and so yeah, they might just be up a little

473
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.799
later, like I said, if
in Alabama upsets Georgia or something like that.

474
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.680
Well, this week, the last
two games of the day, which

475
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:55.519
would be at seven o'clock Dallas time, it's Louisville, Florida State, Michigan,

476
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:56.920
Iowa. You know, I think
we don't think Missigan is going to

477
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.400
win that game. But the Florida
State game is sort of the almost is

478
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:06.960
like the one the one stick that
if you pull that out, it throws

479
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.519
everything into disarray. So but will
they hit when they end their Saturday night,

480
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.920
will they kind of have an order
and then you just kind of come

481
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.440
back and confirm it in the morning. Is that is that how you guys

482
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.279
get it? Pretty much? That's
that's certainly the goal is to very much

483
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.799
have it take some votes, have
some discussion, have it where you want,

484
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.039
and then Sunday morning and we would
usually eat breakfast at seven thirty and

485
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:36.559
get at or seven and get at
it at seven thirty or eight and revisit

486
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.200
it. And every once in a
while, you know, somebody would come

487
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.519
back the next morning and look at
something or see a stat or see some

488
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.160
matchup and then make an argument.
You know, maybe we should have tweaked

489
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.680
that a little bit. Usually,
you know, what we do the night

490
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.039
before it usually sticks. But it
hadn't. It didn't always stick. So

491
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.880
we talked about this earlier. So
next year it's gonna be twelve teams,

492
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.559
and we think that'd be a perfect
time for that year, right, do

493
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:01.839
you have enough teams to fill it
out? But I think next year you're

494
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.559
gonna think thirteen, fourteen, and
fifteen are going to be pistol because they

495
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.759
got left off. There's plan always
used. The scalill never end. There's

496
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.720
always going to be mad people,
no question Okay, you said the effort

497
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.880
a little while ago. Fun wasn't
really was it really fun? I mean,

498
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.720
did you have fun or you know, Steve and I were talking about

499
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.000
how mny. You know, do
you feel pressure to make sure you get

500
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.039
it right? What are people going
to say to you if they feel you

501
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:29.880
didn't get it right? You know, I'm a Heisman voter, Steve's on

502
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.799
he's been an AP voter and stuff
like that. You want to get it

503
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.079
right? But how much fun was
it? It was? You know it

504
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.119
was? I mean, you obviously
take eight afterwards. No one ever loves

505
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.759
the choices you make. But I
mean, you know, Steve, I've

506
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.400
been a sports writer for how many
decades. I'm used to being a female

507
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.440
sports writer for so many decades.
I'm used to people saying I suck.

508
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.400
It really wasn't a big deal when
this happened. And yeah, you do,

509
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.359
you feel the pressure to get it
right. But the fun part just

510
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:06.920
being in a room with these really
really interesting people who who always treated me

511
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:12.000
with respect, You treated me as
an equal, and and yeah I loved

512
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.640
it. I loved every minute of
it. Plus you had all those eminems

513
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.759
come on, Eminem's and pizza for
a whole weekend. How could you go?

514
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:22.319
Right? Pizza? We had like
shrimp, we had a Oh well,

515
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.960
yes, Steve underestimated you guys.
I guess I should have known that,

516
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.160
right. Yeah are cheap. Yeah, you guys are a champagne.

517
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.559
You know what people don't understand is
none of us. You don't get paid

518
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.759
for being in the committee. I
mean, they fly you out there,

519
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.759
but you put in your own hours
and you do it because you love college

520
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:43.839
football. So that was one of
the great perkses you Eminem's and shrimp.

521
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.960
So you know. Okay, So
now that you're on the sidelines of this

522
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.839
thing, how are you watching this? How are you paying attention to what's

523
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.519
going on? Having been in the
room kind of having an idea how things

524
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.759
go. You know, It's kind
of like when we ask a coach,

525
00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.200
how do you watch footballer? How
do you watch basketball? How are you

526
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.640
watching it? I watch it?
Yeah, I'm watching it much more sort

527
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.440
of casually, which is kind of
fun. You know. I was always

528
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.280
so focused on every little moment and
every little play. It's kind of fun

529
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.199
to sit back. But you know, now I'll be I'll look at the

530
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.360
results Sunday and probably privately, you
know, criticize the committee like everybody else.

531
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.159
No, I won't. Well,
they do a great job, but

532
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.440
it's fun to be kind of looking
at it from a different perspective. Well,

533
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.840
are you kind of doing your own
type of situation here? Absolutely?

534
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.119
Absolutely, I sort of have my
ideas of who I think should be there.

535
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:36.679
But honestly, there's some games this
weekend. You know, you mentioned

536
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.840
Florida State, I mentioned Alabama.
There's a lot of weird things that could

537
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.199
happen this weekend that could turn everything
upside down. You know, just as

538
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:49.519
someone who covered the PAC twelve for
so many years and you know sad to

539
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.760
see its demise, it would be
fun, I think to have a Pac

540
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.039
twelve team in there. But we'll
see if that happens, you know,

541
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:59.599
So before you go, Before you
go, I just wanted to talk to

542
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.760
you real quick. Come up the
UA football team. You covered obviously the

543
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.360
state for a long time. Your
thoughts on that because it doesn't happen very

544
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:12.079
often. Oh so impressed with get
Fish what he's done there. I mean

545
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.760
nine and three and Frank fifteenth on
the CFP pole. I'm going to get

546
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.159
to a bowl game. The turnaround, so quickly has been so impressive,

547
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.119
and especially you know, watching the
struggles here and what's happening in Tempe and

548
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.400
that they're trying to turn things around. I think it's really exciting. You

549
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.400
know, you're getting all the riches. You've got the basketball program, now

550
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.599
you've got the football program down there. I think it's great to see though.

551
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:38.480
Yeah, Okay, Paula as usual, thank you very much. Great

552
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.320
to talk to you guys. Yeah, a lot of fun. Thank you.

553
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.079
We'll see what happens. We'll see
what happens, thank you. Yeah,

554
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.320
great stuff, great stuff, fun
kind of Well the other thing I

555
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.800
got, they got shrimp and yeah, yeah, shrimp and M and m's.

556
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.360
I'm all in. We got Well, we go to we go to

557
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:59.400
the NCAA tournament. We get popcorn, bananas and chips and cookies and chips

558
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.639
and all the all the all the
all the potato chips you can stuff into

559
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.400
a Nancy double a cup. Have
you seen have you seen? You haven't

560
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.440
seen them in a while. What
do you guess you could you monitor some

561
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.480
stuff at the tournament. We're not
the best looking group, and the sports

562
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.320
writers come out, you're per you're
a pretty rasty group and and you know

563
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:24.760
that the at the at the tournament
in San Jose, Man, it was

564
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:31.039
tight quarters press row. It was
very tight quarters bodies in those yeah,

565
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.679
yeah, all right, okay,
well that was a lot of fun.

566
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.320
That was a lot of fun for
joining us and giving us some insight as

567
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.400
I got to feel, I feel
like a different perspective. I don't think

568
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.519
I don't have teams have changed.
No, it just gives you an idea

569
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.719
of what what they go through and
that they're having fun. I think that's

570
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.280
the coolest thing, that it's fun
for those guys. All right, let's

571
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.079
get out of here. We'll take
a break. We'll be right back.

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Sports stag Chat Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, welcome back to let with

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all here at Fox Sports fourteen could
be un Steve, He's Jay get Kevin

615
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with us. Got about fifteen minutes
left for this segment about fun to get

616
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with Paula. Yep. I love, I love how hoping she was about

617
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you know what goes on back there, because that that's a big deal.

618
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.599
You know, it's so many times
these times things are such a mystery.

619
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.639
But you're like NCAA tournament, it's
such a mystery, you know, it's

620
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.800
as to how it gets done,
and it's such a monumental thing. Sure

621
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.360
like I I would wonder you have
twelve twelve twelve angry jurors? Is that

622
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with thee thirteen angry jeers, and
you know that there are probably discussions that

623
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.599
you don't want to have or arguments
you don't want to have, but you

624
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.960
have to get through them, not
maybe animated, maybe not because they're intelligent

625
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.360
people. They're they're educated intelligence,
but I'm sure some of them had to

626
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.880
go there. Yeah, I was
wondering that during the interview, how they

627
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:52.079
how they like avoid just exhausted and
just be giving up on their point.

628
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.679
Well, and you know, there
have to be some of the conversations have

629
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.000
to be uncomfortable, right, some
of the discussions because it involves some of

630
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.480
their teams. Yeah, and they
if also but also, you know,

631
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.400
you got you, You're got.
You're gonna have people who say this is

632
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.280
who I think it is, no
matter what you say, right, because

633
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.679
my opinion is my opinion. Because
my opinion is my opinion. I think

634
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.159
I got it right, and I
should be valued. I should be valued.

635
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:15.480
But you know, she also said
that she, you know, she

636
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.039
felt like she people valued her opinion, she was respected, she was treated

637
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.039
equally as everybody else, and you
know that's important. And I think in

638
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.320
the end, you know, these
are all pretty much smart people, right,

639
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.000
so they're not gonna be butt heads, but they're also gonna be they're

640
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.480
very smart people who are gonna believe
in what they believe. They're gonna be

641
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.199
convicted in there. In there,
I think it's gonna don't you think it's

642
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.840
gonna It eventually shakes out and there's
only a couple of key games that have

643
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.519
to it. It might not because
because the scenario I was listening to on

644
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.679
the way in Okay, George's undefeated. Let's say they went, Washington is

645
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.039
undefeated. Let's say they win.
Okay, they're in Florida State's undefeated.

646
00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.280
Should they get in that they're they're
kind of a question, but Michigan in

647
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.480
Michigan's okay, let's say let's just
say the three those three Washington, Michigan,

648
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.039
Uh, Georgia. That you say, if those three win and stand

649
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.880
defeated, those three have to be
in. After that then, depending on

650
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.639
how things go, you could have
a choice between Texas, uh, you

651
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.920
know, Florida State uh. Or
let's say let's say Michigan and Washington are

652
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:27.039
the only undefeated teams. You know, Georgia beats Alabama, Texas, you

653
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:31.760
know Texas wins. Just you know, you you're You're trying to squeeze six

654
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.360
teams into, you know, into
only four slots, and how do you

655
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.760
the hell do you do that?
Somebody's in the end, somebody's gonna say

656
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.039
you got it wrong and that that's
the thing that kind of sucks about it.

657
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.960
And that's every year. But I
think your point is that this year

658
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.920
there's a lot more legitimate. There's
a lot of those teams that are complaining

659
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.480
on the Let me ask you,
guys, have you seen Florida State play

660
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.079
much? Yeah? Outside, I
saw in the first game lsu wing to

661
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.480
beat LS. That was a surprise, right, you don't know how good

662
00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.920
l U is blah blah blah.
But I saw them that game. I

663
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:01.679
haven't seen him since. I saw
him a couple of times after that.

664
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.920
I wasn't impressed. Okay, here, so are they deserving? I mean,

665
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.960
you've only watched them twice? Is
that enough simple size for you to

666
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:15.840
discermine that me personally? No,
I've seen I've seen Georgia Little the team

667
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.800
I've seen, and I've always been
impressed from Miss Oregon because they're they're here

668
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.400
so in Alabama a few times,
but outside of Oregon, I you know,

669
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.559
I don't deserve to be on that
committee. Well, if you're on

670
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.559
the committee, you'd have the iPad, because Mark Harlan t talk to us

671
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.480
about that as well, he's on
the committee. Now mentioned that you get,

672
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.559
you know, in all your spare
time you're watching games. Sure you

673
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.679
know, and so you got to
know more, which you should, right,

674
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.079
But it's kind of like, you
know, when when I when I

675
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.039
was covering football, I was I
was a voter on the Football Writers All

676
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.840
America team. I spent my Saturday
watching games and taking notes on guys,

677
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.119
you know, because you have a
responsibility to do that. I've I've done

678
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.599
that quite a bit, not taking
notes so much, but watching a lot

679
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.880
watching games where like when when what's
his name, Jaden Daniels, all of

680
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.119
a sudden he's doing all this stuff
and like everybody's saying he's a Heisman candidate.

681
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:07.320
Well, now I have to pay
attention. I have to look to

682
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.360
see for myself. Am I going
to vote for this guy or not.

683
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:15.320
I've seen enough of Michael Pennix,
I've seen enough of Bonnicks. I've watched

684
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.760
a bunch of of of Marvin Harrison
Junior. You know, I watched a

685
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.400
bunch of J. J. McCarthy. Is he you know, is he

686
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.960
a viable candidate like most everybody else. I'm down to four guys, all

687
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.719
right, and those are the four
guys that I just mentioned. You know,

688
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.719
I can't I can't say you know
who I'm voting for, but I

689
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.559
I feel like I've got a good
sense of who it should be. But

690
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.199
I have to wait for these games
to play out. One of the things

691
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.079
about that is Jayden Daniels isn't playing
this week, right, right, And

692
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.960
then people have already voted. A
bunch of people have voted, and and

693
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.159
and you know, and you know
that a bunch of people have voted.

694
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.719
I was listening to Wilner's podcast.
He said five to six things, said,

695
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.840
people have voted No. Five six
of the voter something like that are

696
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.039
from the East. So we talked
about that the other day. I mean,

697
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.840
he said, and he said,
I wouldn't be surprised if a ton

698
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.639
of those people have already voted,
which means they voted for Data and Daniels,

699
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.760
which makes no sense. And how
how many of the states. Why

700
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.360
would they not wait for all the
games to be played? Not everything's equal

701
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.559
and they're not going to do that. They're not gonna If not, they're

702
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.000
freaking Massachusetts not still waiting for the
for the rest of the game. They

703
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:28.960
play in Massachusetts at two in the
morning, bone Nicks is thorn his fourth

704
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.840
touchdown, and they're not They're not
going to see do you know that?

705
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:36.400
Well, no, it's a one
of That game is at eight o'clock East

706
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.840
Coast time. It's a six o'clock
game. No, but I'm talking about

707
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.320
during the season. Yes, No, of course, of course, of

708
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:45.760
course. Well, those same two
guys, those Wilder and Canzana we're making

709
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:54.199
we're talking about the year that that
that McCaffrey didn't win the High Shepford love

710
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:59.360
they love. Key was hands down
the best player in the country. But

711
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.840
half of his games, and particularly
in the first half of the season or

712
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.199
seven thirty West Coast game Pacific and
so people didn't see him, and and

713
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.039
and and and and he didn't get
the award. Yeah. If there's not

714
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.039
a bias, that's a bias.
That's bas Yeah. Yeah, dude.

715
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.360
You know what, if you want
to be a voter, do the work,

716
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.559
true, that's all you have true, do the work. You know

717
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.159
that if you want to be if
you want to be a voter, stay

718
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.239
up and watch the damn game.
Yeah, you know that it doesn't happen.

719
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:27.559
Doesn't happen. There's six hundred,
like six hundred voters. Yeah no,

720
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.320
yeah, yeah, that's why you
have one. Yeah, that's why

721
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.960
I have one. Exactly. We'll
see you are correct, but we'll see

722
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.280
what happens. Can we roll or
not roll? I think we can so

723
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.800
yeah. Yeah, so showed the
shot. Tommy had a press conmerce and

724
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.079
I thought he was a different Tommy. This is just me thinking that he

725
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.440
was a little chippy today in a
good way, not a bad way,

726
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:50.320
but a little chippier. And you
saw no, and then you said,

727
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.039
oh maybe, right, Okay.
I called Bruce and he said, yeah,

728
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.960
okay, maybe because he had a
lot of weird answers to a lot

729
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.159
of fun questions, play a cup
of the clips that made you think.

730
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.800
First of all, he had just
he had just gone through a discussion of

731
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.920
Kylon Boswell and why he thinks he's
doing so well? Uh Mike Lev.

732
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.559
Michael Lev brought up the fact that
Boswell is turning up on mock drafts.

733
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:17.000
Okay, okay, and uh no
number five and uh he so he asked

734
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:21.079
him, do you pay attention to
the mock drafts or do you have this

735
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:25.840
conversation with the guys. I live
in reality. I don't live in mock

736
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.920
or hypothetical world, so you know
what, I don't at all. And

737
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:37.960
you know, there's just I mean
that there's nothing of value that's going to

738
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:43.519
help a player reading his name in
a mock draft early in a basketball season.

739
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.599
So you know, we don't address
it. And you know when we

740
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.440
when we get down towards the end
of the season or in the postseason and

741
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.480
they're considering their options, we go
through everything when when it matters. That

742
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.159
may have been the best answer to
a question like that I've ever heard,

743
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:07.639
because that was fantastic, Uh,
Mark, drafts mean nothing in November then,

744
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.679
just like they mean nothing because something
could happen in between then and and

745
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.880
it's like the Miles Simon thing,
and I us bring that up all the

746
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.119
time. Everyone thinks he should have
left after ninety seven because his name was

747
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.000
hot. Okay, some people say
he should stay because he's gonna be better,

748
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.079
Well, he's he wasn't an NBA
guy. If you're not an NBA

749
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:29.119
guy, not an NBA guy.
So Boswell, Okay, maybe he is,

750
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.280
maybe isn't, but he doesn't live
in Marks neither do I That was

751
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:35.239
funny. That was great. That
was like a really good one line.

752
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.320
Well, he went even better with
h He was asked about Johnson stock and

753
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.320
that his stock has gone up.
Here's what he had to say. I

754
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:51.480
mean, I don't know what his
his stock is and I didn't know he

755
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.480
was a stock that was traded on
a market. So Sad is a good

756
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.000
basketball player and and you know what, key Shot is one of these guys

757
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.280
who's best days are ahead of him. And Keyshod came from a really solid

758
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.320
program, and you know, and
and he's really improved as a basketball player

759
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.400
over the course of his college career. And you know, now, you

760
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:15.320
know, maybe he's finally at a
stage of his development where he's able to

761
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.440
kind of take advantages of the next
step. And maybe a little bit of

762
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:21.960
it's playing at Arizona, but maybe
a lot of it's just key Shod where

763
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.440
he's at in his career and he's
ready. So what was your response?

764
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.039
Oh, well, he was about
halfway through his his answer there, and

765
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.760
I was like, Tommy could have
used the nap today. He just seems

766
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.599
really short and like not right,
not a lot of fluffed. These answers

767
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.840
very direct, almost like funny,
but great quotable. Yeah, come on,

768
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.480
he's a reporter's dream. This is
super direct, very quotable. He's

769
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.280
been to me. That's a little
chippy for for Tommy, who's very happy

770
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.519
most of the time. But those
are great quotes, great quotes, short,

771
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:54.440
concise. You want to stock.
I don't live in mock Okay,

772
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.440
so we're not evaluators. We're not
mock guys, mockoff guys. Is he

773
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.280
an NBA? He might, He
might be a twiner, he might be

774
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.760
like a Michael kind of n He's
got to shoot from guy, he's gonna

775
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:16.079
be without question. Hey if if
last year's star here Zulas cannot do it

776
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.480
and he was pretty good. Uh
is a different, totally different player.

777
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.039
He doesn't shoot well from the perimeter, and he's a garbage guy. He's

778
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:28.800
a Dennis Rodman. It's a light
guy. But you know what makes those

779
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.480
two players different, in my opinion, is is what who Johnson? And

780
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.719
what makes them different as NBA prospects
is what you can't teach to bellis you

781
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.960
can teach Johnson. Right, So
he Johnson is not a very good shooter.

782
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.159
You can teach that to Bellus.
Not a great athlete, right,

783
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.320
but he doesn't like to mix it
up either. That's true. But I

784
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:53.119
think Johnson has much more of an
NBA prototype to his belt, I think

785
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.199
to his game. But I think
with some tweaks he could if he was

786
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.800
if he was two inches maybe three. Just he's six y seven, all

787
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.280
right, that's it. That's a
three guy in the remember the remember the

788
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.000
game. Now, it's not an
inside out, it's an outside game.

789
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.400
Yeah, he's not an outside guy. I mean there's there's ways to get

790
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:14.199
in and fit in, uh within
the NBA, and you have that athleticisn't

791
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:15.159
play so hard. But that's what
I'm saying. I think he needs a

792
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.159
tweak a little bit to avoid being
a tea for the rest of the Well,

793
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.199
he's not going to become a better
shooter here because you've got four we

794
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.360
got four months to become a better
shooter. It's it's either working on your

795
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:29.320
own and then right after the season
is over, work your ass off to

796
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.840
become a better shooter. Because but
let's say he's twenty two to twenty one

797
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.320
years old, whatever, You've had
a lot of time. You've had a

798
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.360
lot of time to practice on your
own to become a better shooter, haven't

799
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.920
you. Yeah, to some extent, some players are what they are exactly

800
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.360
exactly. And this is not a
knock on him. No, he's a

801
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.400
great player. Yeah, yeah,
to me, he's to me, he's

802
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.079
not a Ben a Deva Again,
he's a combination Ben and Davison and and

803
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:59.079
Junie Edgerson of both. A tough
dude who can bounce and he can get

804
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.280
rebound, can do things. Bennett
couldn't score. Bennett was a garbage guy.

805
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.440
Yeah, a fantastic garbage, great
garbage guy, jump out of the

806
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.360
gym. And but he could couldn't
shoot well. And and and key shot

807
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.719
is he he's trying to shoot,
He's shooting something from the outside. He's

808
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.840
got to get a lot better better
yeah, right, And and you know

809
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.840
he had he I mean he did. He played nicely against Michigan State and

810
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.800
he made he made a couple of
three pointers. So win without him,

811
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.800
yeah, exactly exactly. We have
our music break yeah, yeah, already,

812
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:34.719
fast man, God, Okay,
all right, breaking news here at

813
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.079
the top of the hour. Stick
around