1 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,840 What's up everybody? Welcome back to Hobby Hotline on a wonderful Saturday, Labor 2 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,039 Day, Saturday weekend, also the opening weekend, well technically I guess second 3 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:43,479 weekend, but a real opening weekend week one for college football. My Gators 4 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,719 got destroyed on Thursday, so I was a little bit disappointing. I have 5 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,920 two of my wonderful co hosts here. We have Chris and Horatio. I'll 6 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,399 start with you. Chris, how we're doing what you got great for this 7 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:58,000 for this weekend? Doing great? I went to Toronto and midweek to see 8 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:00,840 my soccer team get there. I stand it to them by a last place 9 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,799 scene. But other than that, I'm doing all right. That's right. 10 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,480 I think I saw one of your tweets it was like, I have to 11 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:11,079 stop going on seven hour road trips to watch the watch the Union. I 12 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:14,879 thought that was I thought that was a point tweet. Ratio, how about 13 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,920 you going to Columbus at the end of this month? So so so we're 14 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,439 so we're not We're not canceling the trips here. We're still going to love 15 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,920 that, uh Ratio? How you doing this weekend? Doing good? Good 16 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,400 to be back. Adam got back from a vacation, which was not much 17 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:33,519 of a vacation, I guess when you got three kids. So good to 18 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:37,599 get back in the singer things here a little bit. I'm a teacher, 19 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,760 so I started the school year this week on Tuesday. So for that big, 20 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:45,640 big, big week up coming for you. Yeah, I want to 21 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,040 thank everybody over at bench Clear Media for having us here on their YouTube channel 22 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:53,959 today on this wonderful Saturday, Like I said, Labor Day weekend. Labor 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Day weekend. Yeah, very exciting. Actually, a lot of stuff did 24 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:01,480 happen this week. You know, maybe it's surprising to some you know, 25 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:05,680 even before this, I was like, we were we weren't even we were 26 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:07,959 talking about topics and all these kinds of things, and I was like, 27 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,560 we kind of have a lot of stuff here. Hopefully we don't miss anything. 28 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:14,280 The one thing that we are going to start out with that we'll cover 29 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,080 a little bit. I mean to be honest, the story is still developing, 30 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:21,039 so we're still getting a lot of the facts. There's still, you 31 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,199 know, some interesting things going on here. We're gonna pull up. There 32 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:30,240 was an interesting story that developed started developing this week. There was a Jordan 33 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:34,800 Jersey apparently and Horatia, I'll kick it off to you just because when we 34 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,000 were talking about it seemed like you knew you had followed this pretty closely. 35 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:40,919 Apparently there was a Jordan jersey and there was some rumors that it was fake 36 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,400 and that it was being sold and some you know, one of the card 37 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:50,159 porn one of the I Guess influencer accounts that is run on Twitter and Instagram 38 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:53,560 and YouTube. Apparently they were kind of getting involved in some of these things. 39 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Like I said, Horatia'll kick it to you just first, because when 40 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,400 you were explaining it seemed like you kind of had some some good info. 41 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,039 You know. It's like you said, it's still developing. So I and 42 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,599 I'm just getting kind of the information from social media, and it's it's really 43 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:09,759 fascinating. It's like a you know, like a drama developing before your eyes. 44 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:15,080 But so, you know, apparently the jersey is legit. It was 45 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,039 sold by Gray Final options by by you know, the consigner there or two 46 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,680 two to the buyer. The consigner was legit. But then once once they 47 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,560 the guys wanted to get the jersey photo match, Gray Final offered to do 48 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:31,120 it for them, and they did it once they actually attempted to photo match 49 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,960 and they couldn't do it, and then a gray final offer to kind of 50 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,960 do it, do some more digging, you know, but it was gonna 51 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,759 cost more money, and so then they declined. So the attempt was made 52 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:46,000 already to photo match this jersey through gray final options. And so then what 53 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,159 happened is that this buyer of the jersey then you know, created this allegedly 54 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:55,039 created this fake foundation, uh in and named after a former photographer who had 55 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:59,520 died of passed away with cancer, you know, about seventeen sixteen years ago, 56 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:01,639 Tony Ramsa. I don't know if I'm pronouncing the name correctly, the 57 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:05,080 Tony Ramsa Foundation. The family just found out about this. You know, 58 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,439 he passed away seventeen years ago. The foundation wasn't created until a couple of 59 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:13,000 months ago or something like that, a couple you know, maybe about a 60 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:15,479 year ago at the most, but a couple of months ago. So they're 61 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,600 they're shocked to hear that there was a foundation created in their father's late father's 62 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,839 name. The son was anyway, that's what I'm talking about, and so 63 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:28,680 all this is coming, uh you know out, and somehow though the jersey 64 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,360 gets in the hands of May Gray, which is like the Babe Ruth of 65 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,120 photo matching. Right, So you go from Great final Auctions to Magran and 66 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,360 then these guys are are you know, as legit as they come, and 67 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:43,240 it seems like they got duped by the winner of this jersey. Now, 68 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:46,800 the twist here is this is that the buyer of this jersey, the owner 69 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,680 of this jersey now is the guy who has to handle card porn on social 70 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,600 media. And card porn is a you know, rock star so to speak, 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,519 in the hobby, right, He's kind of labels himself in the chtok 72 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:03,279 for the industry. And so you know how high ironic is that that the 73 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:09,920 watchdog is the fraudster, you know, and that they somehow got one of 74 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:15,279 the more reputable companies in the space to kind of fall for their their their 75 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,519 plan. Now this all developing. I'm following Darren Ravelle with some stuff and 76 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,879 some other Twitter handles, so stuff is still going on. No one's is 77 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,680 really saying. Maker has released statements saying that you know, we had the 78 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,360 slides, we had the original slides, we had you know, original photographs. 79 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,920 But this points into a number of different directions not just a fraud, 80 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:39,240 but like the whole process right, the whole way that this stuff is done 81 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,079 right. Yeah, And Chris, I'll kick it over to either your thoughts 82 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,800 on this topic. So my thoughts about this was, you know, over 83 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,839 the last three, four or five years, there have been a number of 84 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:59,720 these self described experts and gurus and watchdogs that most of us have never heard 85 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:05,360 before for but have just popped up and have become hobby famous. And it 86 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:11,000 kind of makes me wonder, is this card porn guy the only one of 87 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,639 these guys that's kind of not on the level here? You know? Yeah, 88 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,600 I mean, I think I'll kick it you back again, Christ in 89 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:25,920 two seconds. I just I think that stuff like that isn't like accounts that 90 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,759 kind of like I know, there's an account that like tracks like altered RPA's 91 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,839 that's important. There is important accounts that do sort of this kind of watch 92 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:41,040 I guess watch dog, I think is how they describe self self proclaimed watchdog. 93 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,920 I think there are accounts that do that that are important. I don't 94 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:46,319 I don't know. I didn't necessarily agree. Mean, there's been times in 95 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:49,399 the past where they like I don't know, they have they've had some interesting 96 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:56,279 weird posts about like talking about like sponsors with card the card shows and like 97 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,399 tagging the sponsors and tagging the card the actual shows. I was like, 98 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:01,839 that's I don't know, it seems a little weird, but you know, 99 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,040 I don't know. With it's still developing, it seems it's a little bit 100 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,120 a little bit scary just because it's you know, like like like Karatio was 101 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,800 saying, Magray is one of the best, if not the best photo matching, 102 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:17,720 and it seems like if there's fraud going on here that I don't know, 103 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,560 I'm not sure. I don't I guess it'll be interesting to see what 104 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:25,399 gets happened, what happens with you know, like if there's any law that 105 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:29,439 is broken or anything like any type of law enforcement that have to get involved 106 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,519 here. And you know, Chris, like I said, I'll kick it 107 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,319 back to you, what kind of what else are you thinking about with this 108 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:39,360 as the story is developing? How did how did Megray photo match this? 109 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:44,199 Anyway, That's what I want to know. How did they did they take 110 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:46,160 this? First of all, do we even know if this is an actual 111 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:50,040 game used Jersey or not. I think, you know, I think it's 112 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,199 still, like I said, I think they right. I think these are 113 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,079 some of these are some of the things I think that will I guess we'll 114 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:58,399 come out later on. I mean, I mean, this is sort I 115 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,000 feel like this story is too big for really to just kind of get swept 116 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,800 under the rug. Like there's been kind of big stories that I feel like 117 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:09,040 sometimes it'll be big on Twitter and Instagram for a day and then next thing 118 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,120 you know, it's on It's onto the next story. I mean, but 119 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:13,959 I think this one, you know, this fact that it's at Jordan, 120 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:18,160 Jersey, and the fact that we really have seen memorabilia kind of become a 121 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,399 lot more popular. It obviously always has been popular, but I feel like 122 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,639 with the growth of cards, more people that are also into cards are getting 123 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,240 into more memorabilia as well. So it's really, I don't know, it's 124 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,440 it's a it's a wild situation. Like I said, it's really something that's 125 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,480 still we're still we're still getting a lot of the facts of you know, 126 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,360 I think we're we'll all with this still being a developing story. I kind 127 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,600 of want to get initial thoughts and then move on, just because unfortunately we 128 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,559 don't like Horatio kind of broke it down pretty well. But I think I 129 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:50,000 said, there's still a lot of developing stuff. So Horatio, I'll just 130 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,639 kick to you one last time and then we'll move We'll move on to the 131 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,279 next topic. Yeah, I think my question goes back to what Chris said, 132 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,639 is you know, how does Magra do that. I know that they 133 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,039 have they're huge in the hockey space, and I know they have a bunch 134 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:05,639 of contacts in the NBA as well, But you know, a lot of 135 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:07,519 this stuff, it's it's sort of like grading, right, Like a lot 136 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,879 of times with grading, you know, how does how did my card get 137 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,159 NAT? How did you get nine? It's sort of this you know Wizard 138 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,639 of Alls thing where the guys behind the veil and you don't really know the 139 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,919 process. And that's kind of why where AI kicks in and all these other 140 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:22,080 companies are trying, you know, TAG is coming in to kind of give 141 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,720 you exactly why your card got the grade it gut photo matching. I feel 142 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:28,799 like is in that not you know, not with the Wizard of Alls behind 143 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,919 the veil. We're now we're talking like you know, you're just starting the 144 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,039 journey in the yellow brick road. You're on the yellow brick road, right, 145 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,559 Like, that's how far away we are from really understanding their process. 146 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,960 And I know, I'm not want to dismiss you know, May Gray or 147 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 the work that they do. I just don't think that there's a lot of 148 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,679 people that really know how stuff is photo matched. And I think a lot 149 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,799 of it is proprietary, right, Like, I think that they they're doing 150 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:52,480 that so you know, they kind of have that that advantage and they're keeping 151 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,240 that relationship. But I think they're at a point where, you know, 152 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,159 they're at a point where they've got the first mover advantage, and so I'd 153 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,720 really like to kind of see how they go about photo matching and stuff because 154 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:09,279 it could probably be really interesting and really education informational, and specifically to this 155 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,919 Jersey. I mean, you're telling me that they were able to photo match 156 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,399 it based off of two photos provided by Cardborn and that that was all it 157 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,440 took to photo matches Jersey. Because if so or two two original two original 158 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,679 slides from the photographer. If so, then that's kind of weak, you 159 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,320 know, and it is it is a bit of a black eye for the 160 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,039 industry. But you know, maybe maybe you know, we haven't heard the 161 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,799 last of it, right. We haven't heard really made Grace side completely, 162 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,919 so right exactly, and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this story ends 163 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,200 up being like one of the main stories that ends up being in that Adam 164 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,399 Sandler movie that was rumored about, like the memorabili industry. Apparently they were 165 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:52,240 the hym and then the producers from Uncut Gems. We're making some sort of 166 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,559 memorabilia movie that was kind of supposed to be similar to Uncut Gems. It 167 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,399 almost seems like this was like a written story about like I just all the 168 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,799 all the different elements, you know, hobby influencer, biggest name in all 169 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,679 of sports, biggest biggest name in authenticating like rookie Jersey or Jersey or whatever. 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,879 It just seems like it's it's almost too it's almost too good to be 171 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:13,720 not know, well, not too good to be true, but you know, 172 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:18,799 too good to be uh, just all a coincidence, but so a 173 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:22,600 million million Cubs project, who is I think getting very close at the National 174 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,559 I believe I saw him. I think he was over nine hundred and fifty 175 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,279 thousand, I believe was the number. So he's getting very close to that 176 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,480 uh million, the actual million Cubs cards here, but he said it was 177 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:39,480 photoshop. Uh Tony Ron's Rand's I don't know if I've pronounced that right. 178 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:43,279 Was it was a photographer of the foundation was created to trick magraint. So 179 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,200 I mean, yeah, it's it's unfortunate because you know, it's not you 180 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,440 don't you don't want any of these companies to get tricked like this because it 181 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,519 hurts it. All it does is hurt the industry like stuff like this. 182 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:00,639 Sure it's maybe it's a juicy story on social media, but in reality, 183 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,759 all it kind of does is de legitimize a lot of the work that a 184 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:07,759 lot of these companies are putting into make the memorabilia and make sports cards a 185 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,320 more an industry that holds more of a standard of uh you know, being 186 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,679 more legitimate. So yeah, it's an unfortunate story. Here's with our next 187 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:26,360 topic here, we're gonna move on to Uh the new Leaf CEO has been 188 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:31,639 announced. Uh new Leaf CEO is a old hop or form assume former not 189 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,360 old The former TOPS director of Hobby Sales, Kevin O'Neill. Uh, Brian 190 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,000 Gray also you know on Twitter, I think he you know, tweeted this 191 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,039 morning, he's trying to get to ten k. So if you want to 192 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:46,000 go follow Brian Gray on Twitter getting to ten k that, uh, you 193 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:48,360 know, do that with what with what you what you will? Chris, 194 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,799 first, I'll kick it off to you. I don't necessarily know that much 195 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,159 about Kevin O'Neill, but I have some thoughts that I can get into after 196 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,759 you know, you guys kind of share your thoughts. So Chris, we'll 197 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,000 start with you. So apparently about it. A couple of months ago, 198 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:09,440 O'Neill left Tops to join Beckett to be to take over from Kevin Isaacson's old 199 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,399 position as head of Southern Hobby Distribution. But after only maybe a month on 200 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,600 the job, he leaves and becomes the CEO of a Leaf. That's kind 201 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:26,960 of strange, and only a month at a new job before moving on to 202 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,799 another job. But again, this guy's been around the hobby for for decades, 203 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,919 ten years at TOPS. Before that, I think he was at press 204 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,919 Pass and I think he got his start with a company called Rooks Roox, 205 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:50,600 which made high school cards and uh draft pick type cards. I think their 206 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,279 most famous set was for the They actually got the license for the ninety nine 207 00:13:54,399 --> 00:14:01,759 women's soccer team that won the world and they kind of went away after that 208 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,600 and he wound up at Press Pass. So you have an experienced guy at 209 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:11,840 the helm, So I think I think there were also a couple of other 210 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:20,279 executives that were promoted as well. So yeah, I think Leaf is in 211 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:24,519 pretty good hands. So that's good. Yeah. Yeah, And so I 212 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:28,960 mean, Horatio, what are your thoughts do you do you what do you 213 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,519 know Kevin O'Neil at all? Like have you done any background on him? 214 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:35,440 Like what are what are kind of some of your thoughts on this, Uh, 215 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:37,879 this change that I think, I don't know, maybe it was a 216 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:41,879 surprise, maybe it wasn't Bryan Gray stepping down, but yeah, you know, 217 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,720 let me know what you let me know what you think about this, 218 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,320 the new CEO stepping in. Yeah, I know, I don't know. 219 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,799 I don't know. Kevin O'Neill wasn't very familiar with the name. You know, 220 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,639 that's been reading. Like Chris said, he has a lot of experience. 221 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,600 So that's somebody that, uh, you know, that they felt safe 222 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,840 with. I find it in seen you know, filling in for Brian Gray. 223 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,240 You know, like, uh, those are kind of some some big 224 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,519 shoes to fill regardless of how you feel about the guy. Right, So 225 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,600 with with Brian Gray, I felt it felt like you had the showman. 226 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:16,679 You know, you kind of had the guy that you know was was you 227 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:18,519 know, I don't I don't mean to say in a bad way, but 228 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,679 like the center of attention right every time he walked in, the smartest guy 229 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,320 in the room. Kind of deal with Kevin O'NEI, it seems like this 230 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,440 is kind of like the they went in the opposite direction. Like a guy 231 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,519 who's kind of been UH in a supporting role his entire career and you know, 232 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,759 slowly climbed the ladder. Wasn't necessarily like an entrepreneur like Brian was right 233 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,440 where he just struck off on his own decide to start Leaf. And so, 234 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,120 you know, it's interesting. I like, I like the products that 235 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,639 Leaf has been putting out. I like the fact that they're focusing on on 236 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,480 entertainment, you know, different personalities on their cards. I know that there 237 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,480 was some you know, it doesn't come to mind. I know there's some 238 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:56,120 controversy about some forged UH autographs on some recent cards there. As Brian was 239 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,399 no longer with the company, that's kind of how it got revealed, right, 240 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,320 like an email was sent out Brian's no longer in the company, and 241 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:03,720 that kind of like start, Oh, yes, that's right, that's right. 242 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:08,919 I started sending shockwaves through the through the industry, but no looking forward 243 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:15,039 to see you know, how they continue to evolve in this kind of situation 244 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,600 as Panini grows stronger, bigger and stronger, it appears, you know, 245 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,240 how does how does Leaf kind of become the leader almost in like unlicensed product? 246 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,759 You know, what what role do they take and what's their strategy? 247 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,879 I think that's very fascinating, you know, because there does need to be 248 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,639 competition for Panini, you know, whether it's it's part of the you know, 249 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,360 tops brand or whatever and whatever Panini acquires, there needs to be some 250 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,600 legit competition. So right, yeah, And I mean I think, you 251 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,799 know, as much as I think Leaf does get a little bit of slack 252 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,039 on like social media and people the people saying that they don't like the cards 253 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:55,600 because they're unlicensed, they have done a pretty good job in my opinion, 254 00:16:55,639 --> 00:17:00,399 of keeping and staying very very relevant without having those licenses. And I think 255 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,160 that's that is impressive. And like I said, I really sorry, like 256 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,680 you said, Horatio too, They've been doing a good job I think with 257 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:11,519 like the personalities and those types of cards, and that's actually I think one 258 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,279 of the best things that they've done recently. And I mean I think, 259 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,240 I guess kind of depending on how you look at I mean, it's trying 260 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,359 to get people, maybe people who weren't into sports cards that are into maybe 261 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,839 some of these more online personalities, like I know they did, Like this 262 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,960 is gonna sound nerdy, but Tifu, who's like a gaming he's like a 263 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,039 gamer, he's like does stuff on Twitch. He got a card. Uh, 264 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,839 there's like other personality internet personalities that they've done. Uh. And I 265 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:38,079 mean, I'll kind of switch the topic a little bit here, but you 266 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:45,359 know, my thoughts on CEOs and uh, like CE level suite executives at 267 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,960 some of these companies, I do I'm kind of torn on if I want 268 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,000 more people from outside the industry to kind of try and step in and become 269 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:59,880 sort of these types of these types of executives. But I do also feel 270 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,240 like it's tough because it's a very in the industry. And I think Chris 271 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:07,920 we actually talked about this a couple weeks ago. When the new Beckett CEO 272 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,279 was announced, I asked the question, does someone who is a CEO have 273 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,039 to be do they have to like sports cards? Do they have to be 274 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:15,960 into sports cards? And I think it was you, Chris, who said 275 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,000 they don't have to be necessarily into sports cards, but they do have to 276 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,519 be a collector. And I think that's true. And you know, as 277 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,599 somebody who has been around and kind of been at different jobs, I do 278 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,200 think it's good for those types of people to kind of make their way up 279 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,759 the ladder. But I do also wonder, like where at what point does 280 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,680 the well kind of dry up? And I don't know. I'll ask you 281 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,559 this question, Chris, maybe, like do you think, like how do 282 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:45,079 you think in fifteen to twenty years, like who like how are like are 283 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,720 the executives going to be people that are working at these card companies now? 284 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,960 Or are they're going to have to figure out a way to bring people in 285 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:56,720 to take some of these positions that are like high value positions at some of 286 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,960 these companies. Well, you're gonna have naturally have some level of churn. 287 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:08,519 The question that concerns me is that is there someone in middle management now at 288 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:15,640 these companies that's being groomed to be to move up the corporate ladder with the 289 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,759 with whether it's Leaf or any other hobby company, is there a guy, 290 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:30,000 say in product development that's being groomed to be the next CEO or CEO? 291 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,680 So right, yeah, that's I mean, that's kind of my That's actually 292 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,799 exactly sort of the point I was trying to make too, Like where are 293 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,359 the where are the future CEOs? I guess is maybe the question. And 294 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,480 you know, Horatio, we'll we'll wrap this topic up two and we'll move 295 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,720 on to the next one. But what are kind of some of your final 296 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,720 thoughts on the you know, Leaf, Leaf CEO or just kind of CEOs 297 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:52,359 I guess in general from or C level people at these at these companies, 298 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,920 just in general. Yeah, And I want to clarify, I don't know 299 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,119 if I said pantin or fanatics, I mean the fanatics as fanatics ticks over 300 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,680 stuff, but from before my comments before, but uh okay, right right 301 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:06,200 right. I think I think that uh, I think that the best, 302 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,200 the best CEOs come from come from within, you know. I think that 303 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:11,000 the or or at the very least, like like Chris said, you know, 304 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,200 they're collectors. But the very best ones have have it in their DNA 305 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,559 and there and they show that you know, that that talent. It doesn't 306 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,200 mean that they are just collectors or just hobbyists or whatever, but the very 307 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:30,359 best leaders have a very thorough knowledge of the hobby of have that mindset of 308 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,440 the collector, and that translates into their management style, that translates into the 309 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,240 decisions that they make. You see it everywhere. I mean even in my 310 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,680 in my industry, right education, you bring people from from the outside of 311 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:45,480 education, they worked in god knows what any other industry, they get a 312 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:51,720 pointed a principle and and things just fall apart because they don't really understand you 313 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:53,799 know, the you know what it means to be I guess an educator. 314 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:56,319 But that's my own little thing there. But same thing with with any other 315 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,839 industry, right like, you can't just bring outside people you don't understand completely, 316 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,240 like the the ins and outs of it. And you can't just say, 317 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:07,480 well, it's a business and I've run a business before, so I 318 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:10,359 know how to run this business. Well, every business is unique, and 319 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,200 like we said, you know, hopefully these companies have you know, this 320 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:18,039 pipeline of you know middle management guys that are and women that are coming up 321 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:21,720 and and you know have a future as you know, CEOs for these different 322 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:27,839 divisions and different companies totally learn this way of hiring someone from outside the industry. 323 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:33,519 Yeah. Yeah, So I want to give a big shout out to 324 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:36,119 everybody in the chat as well. Thank you all for leaving your comments. 325 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:40,519 Let us know where you're watching the show from today. I always liked asking 326 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,039 this question because we always get some wild responses. I think some people said 327 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,480 Korea a couple of times, like people have said all different places all around 328 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,160 the world. Hobby Hobby hot Line I think is global, even even looking 329 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,759 at some of the back end numbers, like people are watching from all over 330 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:56,920 the world, which is like a ton of that's I mean, that's that's 331 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,759 phenomenal. I'm glad that we can all share sort of our bertise when it 332 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:03,400 comes to sports cards and teaching and showing people kind of the ways and talking 333 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,400 about these these fun topics. So yeah, just let us know. Also, 334 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:10,680 if you're watching on YouTube, make sure you subscribe. If you're watching 335 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,640 on anywhere else, just you know, the repost the retweet on Twitter. 336 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,440 I forgot it's called on Facebook. I don't know if the repost or whatever 337 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,440 they call it, but if you want to or X, I guess, 338 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,319 but I'm still gonna call it Twitter because I'm I'm a rebel like that. 339 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,119 Yeah, let us know where you're watching the show from. We're gonna move 340 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,599 on. We've got sort of a little bit of a rapid fire segment here. 341 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,200 So there was three hobby prospects this week that had kind of some big 342 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,519 news stories happen. One of them, the first one we're watching the talk 343 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:42,640 about, is Jason the Mingez, the Martian. He made his major league 344 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:49,200 debut and he hit sorry, oh my good, sorry, he hit He 345 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:53,200 hit a home run in his first I think it was his first career at 346 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:59,559 bat, which is pretty wild. You know, prospecting, it's always good 347 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,079 to kind of mentioned, you know, prospecting can be dangerous prospect that's your 348 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,119 own risk. Maybe this is this is my disclaimer. If you're gonna be 349 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,000 buying prospect cards for Jason Domingez, it might be a good time to sell 350 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,759 your Jason Mingot's cards if you have it, because like best case scenario, 351 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,759 he turns into Mookie Bets. You know, worst case scenario, he turns 352 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:21,039 into I don't know every one of the millions of other prospects that didn't pan 353 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,079 out. So Chris, I'll start with you kind of what are your initial 354 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,920 thoughts on Dominguez and his call up and maybe some tips if you got any 355 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,160 cards, if you have any tips for us too. Yeah, what was 356 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,759 the last time the Yankees had a prospect this hyped that they actually kept and 357 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,400 developed and didn't trade away? I mean, I guess we'll Volpi a guess, 358 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,960 but I mean that's all. It's the same, it's the same kind 359 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,480 of categists because it's just this year or two for him. So that's the 360 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,279 last one I can think of. But yeah, sorry, keep going. 361 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,960 I mean the last one I can think of is like going back to like 362 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:59,000 Derek Jater and Reuben Rivera. M right, Yeah, that's true. I 363 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:04,039 mean the Yankees traditionally are a team that doesn't hold on to their prospects. 364 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:11,440 They usually trade them away for veterans, usually at the deadline. And uh, 365 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:17,799 yeah, it's been a while since we've had a top prospect and wearing 366 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:21,720 the pin stripes. So yeah, he did. I don't know if he's 367 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:23,240 earned his pin stripes. I think that's like a joke online. It's like 368 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,880 when when does a player earned their pin stripes or whatever? But yeah, 369 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,279 so, uh, Domingas makes his makes his major league debut. Pretty cool, 370 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,119 Horatio, what are what are kind of some of your thoughts? What 371 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,799 are some of your thoughts on the call up with the with Dominga's just reading 372 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:40,119 the comment? Can I can I shout out a comment here? Just sure? 373 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,240 Yeah that's a big yeah. Worst case he turns out like wander Yeah, 374 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:48,839 you know that that would be unfortunate. So so interesting interesting, Like 375 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,759 you know, I play fantasy baseball, so I try to keep upon Aaron 376 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:53,640 Judge was a big one. I try to. I try to keep up 377 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,160 to date with the prospects, uh for you know future, you know, 378 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,880 futures and holding some guys on. And Jason Demigas is one of those guys 379 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,799 that I learned first about from the hobby. Like I had no idea what 380 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:07,640 Ja Mingas was. He was. He's like card famous, right, he 381 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,920 was card famous to me, Yes, Eli de la Cruz, Like I 382 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,799 was like, who's Eli de la Cruz? When I saw his cards going 383 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,440 for his you know, his first bowman is going for thousands of dollars, 384 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:18,440 and then I realized, oh, okay, let me follow this guy. 385 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,440 And then you see, like these guys are like legit guys. So it's 386 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,519 it's kind of it's kind of funny how Jason lmingus to me, uh was 387 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:29,039 first introduced me as as a hobby guy and kind of a kind of a 388 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:33,799 bit of a poster boy for like the bubble right and twenty one. How 389 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,519 his cards were going for astronomical numbers, and so it's actually good to see 390 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,359 him. How the debut that he did, you know, first of all, 391 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,039 that the fact that he made it, he got called up to the 392 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,759 majors, and then he has a solid debut bolts well, I think it 393 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,559 bolts well. I don't know that it necessarily justifies the prices that his cards 394 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:55,359 were going for. But great to see Jason Dominga's make it. H you 395 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,519 know, you always want you always want these guys to make it, you 396 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,680 know, definitely, yeah, I mean it, it only can help the 397 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,000 hobby really well if a prospect can kind of at least be decent and be 398 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,279 like pretty good, like especially when you because I mean, just for another 399 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,640 example, you look at sort of the prospects from that time period. Zion, 400 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,640 for example, we still sort of maybe don't know what he's going to 401 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,480 turn into. But I think Dominguez and Zion and Jaws a little bit different, 402 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,000 I think, But like those prospects from that time period, I definitely 403 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:29,680 do think were Yeah, they were important. They were important for the hobby, 404 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,039 and they're important for you know, the health of the hobby. I 405 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,079 mean, like I said, and I think, you know, we point 406 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,240 out that common boy wander franc I think it's probably obviously a little bit a 407 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,279 little bit different of a situation, but I do think I saw a I 408 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,400 think one of it was either one of his orange Wanders, one of his 409 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,519 orange Bowman autos. It was either one of his orange or reds. I 410 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,119 forget which which which color was, But I saw a tweet and someone was 411 00:26:52,160 --> 00:27:00,000 talking about last year in August, the cards sold for ninety thousand dollars, 412 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,759 and the same in card with the same certification number just sold for like eight 413 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,440 thousand dollars. So it's like, when something like that happens, it's not 414 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,599 good for the hobby. It's just that's just not And I know that, 415 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,000 like I think that there are some people that may they may relish in the 416 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,720 fact that they were, you know, telling people not to buy prospects, 417 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:22,799 doing all these things. But like, I don't know, it's just it's 418 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,079 not good for the hobby's health in general when you see something like that, 419 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,920 because you know, whether you know, you don't know who that that ninety 420 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,279 thousand dollars now granted, someone who's buying ninety thousand dollars, ninety thousand dollars 421 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,319 sports card, it's not like they're it's not like they're buying it with their 422 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,079 last ninety thousand dollars they have in their bank account, you know. But 423 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,519 like at the same time, someone like that who maybe potentially would is in 424 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,279 that category, who maybe would have potentially told other people that they were in 425 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,359 sports cards. You know, the fact that they had to sell that card 426 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,359 for eight thousand dollars, I mean, even the fact that someone bought it 427 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,839 for eight thousand dollars is pretty shocking as well. So, yeah, it's 428 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,400 that's an unfortunate tale of a prospect who didn't work out obviously for different reasons. 429 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,880 But like it's always good. Like Dominguez was part of that twenty twenty 430 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,400 the first edition Bowman two, which kind of that was the first time that 431 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:17,599 they had developed They had came out with that first edition Bowman product, which 432 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:21,400 I thought was interesting too. It kind of adds almost like another wrinkle into 433 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,799 like which is the best card for a prospect and you can buy a bunch 434 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,880 of different cards that are basically the same, but like not the same. 435 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,720 So that's definitely interesting. Like I said, we're gonna go on to the 436 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,440 next next Hobby Prospect here, I'm trying to make sure I got the tab 437 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,720 up. We got Bronnie James has officially they came out with some of the 438 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:44,880 images for his Tops Chrome McDonald's All American cards, which are the twenty twenty 439 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,160 three version, which I talked about this not to necessarily plug the podcast, 440 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,039 but on Hobby Hotline. I talked about this earlier on in the week, 441 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:53,039 and then they kind of came out with this. It was kind of interesting. 442 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:59,640 Actually, back at the Top's summit, they had announced that Bronnie James 443 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,440 had sun in the NIL contract and that was around the same time when that 444 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,519 twenty twenty two Tops All American Tops Chrome was coming out, and then he 445 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,799 wasn't on the checklist, and I think that probably caught some people by surprise, 446 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:12,920 So I guess, not thinking back, it makes sense that if they 447 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480 wouldn't announce that he's going to be in a product and then have him in 448 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,400 the product the next next week or something like that. So it makes sense 449 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,480 now in retrospect. But yeah, we have some official images here. So 450 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,319 Chris, I'll start with you. Does this product get you? Does that? 451 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,640 Does it get your juices going? Are you excited? Like? What 452 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,359 are kind of your thoughts on this? I'm not a basketball collector, so 453 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:41,839 I mean if I were a basketball card collector, I mean, I think 454 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:48,319 the parallel here is the McDonald's All American Game. It's kind of what to 455 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:55,839 basketball what the Affleck Perfect Game All Star Game is the baseball and Bowman has 456 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,960 had the had at one time the contract to make those A cards. Does 457 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,559 anybody really care about those Affleck cards? I mean, they're not really in 458 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,519 uniform in a while, they're in a they're in the McDonald's All American one. 459 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,440 This is Bronnie James's first card. I guess that'll mean something to someone. 460 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,000 What I'm concerned though, is you know, I'm old enough to remember 461 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:30,200 Hank Gathers, you know, dying on the floor during the middle of the 462 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,240 basketball game because of a heart condition that I don't think he knew he had, 463 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,799 and we know Bronnie James has I don't know if it's the same heart 464 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:45,640 condition, but something wrong with his heart. Is Bronnie James ever even gonna 465 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,240 be allowed to play in the NBA because of this? I do think that 466 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,839 there was a recent recently, there was a prospect too. I don't remember 467 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,359 it was a heart condition, but he was in a similar boat where he 468 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,680 was going to be a top prospect and I think he played at Oregon. 469 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:06,880 I'm pretty sure he had he wore like he wore like the the like the 470 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,240 glasses, the like at Yeah. But also the other thing that I'm thinking 471 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,880 about with this is like, are there going to be other cards that come 472 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,559 out before? Because they didn't really necessarily Like, are there going to be 473 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,079 other cards that come out for him hypothetically because like because like the card that 474 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:26,200 you have on on the screen looks like a regular tops paper card. I 475 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,319 hate using that term. People. Yeah, they're gonna come out with a 476 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,000 chrome as well, I'm sure, right, And I'm pretty sure they're probably 477 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:41,880 gonna come out with a Bowman product branded product that right may also have a 478 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:47,799 chrome version as well, so there could be four different Brianie James autographed cards 479 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,680 out there, so and then and then there might be tops now if he 480 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:55,240 potentially if they start doing tops now for college basketball and college football, there's 481 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,319 that potential as well. Horatia, I'll kick it over to you. What 482 00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:01,200 are what are your thoughts on this card? Yeah, it's sort of like, 483 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:06,079 yeah, I don't think it'll be kind of his true rookie you know, 484 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:07,839 like like Chris said, I mean, there have been players that have 485 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,200 come back from like heart conditions, when players that have collapsed. I mean, 486 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640 that's kind of the size of the poem from the card. But I'm 487 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,720 I'm I'm I'm wondering, you know, how long will it take him to 488 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,079 get get back on the court, right? I think I can think of 489 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,440 Keynte Johnson from the University of Florida. He collapsed on the floor and it 490 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920 took him. It took him a while. But he's actually he signed a 491 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,920 contract with the with the Thunder, the Oklahoma City Thunder, so he's out 492 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,920 there back playing. To me, you know, like I said, like 493 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,160 Chris said, I'm not much of a basketball collector. Uh what what I 494 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,000 do understand is LEBRONI is, he's not just sports famous though, like he's 495 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,319 he's famous, you know because of the documentary he had a Netflix with the 496 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,039 top of the class. Kids know him, kids know him quite a bit. 497 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,400 Uh he's he's you know, Lebron's uh soun as well, which which 498 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,599 is something I mean, not all kids of celebrities are famous. And Ronnie 499 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,799 Ronnie has already kind of lived up to that, right, and he's almost 500 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,640 also embraced it through social media and you know, through through other avenues. 501 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,960 So there's a value to the card. I just don't think that, you 502 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,680 know, if he does have a significant career, I don't see it being 503 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,599 his you know, his signature card or being one of his top flight cards. 504 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,519 Right. Yeah. And to just with with how many cards there are 505 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:28,000 nowadays that it can be tough to kind of distinguish like what should be the 506 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,559 most important card. And it's always I always say, let the market determine 507 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:35,839 because in actuality it sort of is the market is the market, like he 508 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,079 like, you can kind of push back on the market if you want to, 509 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,759 but the market's going to determine what the best or most expensive card is. 510 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,799 I guess. So, you know, we'll see, we'll see what 511 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,279 happens with this type of card. And you know, I think like KD, 512 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,920 for example, had a McDonald's All American card. I'm pretty sure there. 513 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,240 I mean, there have been other players who have had these types of 514 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,920 cards. Now, granted, it's maybe going like I said, this is 515 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,839 the prospect rapid I hurt whatever. I don't know the name of the segment, 516 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,839 but the yeah, it's it's uh, sorry I lost my turn thought 517 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,000 it's it's it's a you know, these types of prospects don't well I guess 518 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,960 maybe brine game is a little bit different, but you know, prospects don't 519 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,320 always pan out. I mean, another one that comes to mind that was 520 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,400 like a huge high school star was Michael Porter Jr. And it really took 521 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,199 him like five or six years in the league to get over some of his 522 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,360 injury issues. Like Michael Porter Junior was the number one recruit and then he 523 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,840 goes on to play at Missouri, but then he gets hurt, and then 524 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,119 he's hurt throughout the first couple of years and then he kind of starts developing. 525 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,559 So yeah, I mean there's a billion examples. You can really think 526 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,880 of. I'm actually just gonna pop up a couple of these comments too. 527 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,920 Here we get somebody said, there at the Burbank, they're on their way. 528 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,320 Uh, they're on the way to Burbank. How much hobby boxes go 529 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,039 for for I'm guessing it's maybe they're talking about this product. I don't know. 530 00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,079 I'm not sure off top of my head what the what the hobby boxes 531 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,760 would go for. And then somebody did ask the question, will Brownie be 532 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,360 able to play at USC again? I mean, I think he's training, 533 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,840 Like I don't. I'm not sure if you guys have seen any of the 534 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,079 news, but I'm pretty sure that he's training, uh like not maybe not 535 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,719 with the team, but like back with whoever his trainers are. Uh. 536 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,000 And we got uh, it's nice to see the McDonald's logo on a TOPS 537 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,800 card. It's a clean look. I like the incorporation of the McDonald's colors 538 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,320 against the white background. It could be a lot worse. Yeah, I 539 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,679 mean the design of the card it is. It is pretty cool. Uh. 540 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,320 I definitely agree. And then to wrap up this segment here we have 541 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,920 more prospect news. So Tops this week announced that there is going to be 542 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,159 there's going to be an events around the uh that card that they were kind 543 00:35:54,159 --> 00:36:00,159 of promoting as when they signed Victor Webbanana to the to the contract, I 544 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:05,800 thought it was weird that they didn't include the it didn't include the card in 545 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,159 the product. I guess it makes sense that they didn't, but it doesn't. 546 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,639 I'll i'll maybe I'll get your guys' thoughts on this, but like to 547 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,800 me, it does seem a little bit weird that they would promote the card 548 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,760 that he signed it, but then not included in the product and almost like 549 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,199 I'm not like and like the Bowman You has been out for months now, 550 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,960 so it's like at what you know? Obviously, I don't know if this 551 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,719 is was the plan all along or if something happened like they like maybe they 552 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,920 forgot to put the card in the product or something. I don't know. 553 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,360 Horace, I'll start with you, like kind of have you dove into this? 554 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,599 Like what are your thoughts on uh, the event in the card in 555 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:45,280 general? It's funny because I was at the Wildwood Card Show last week. 556 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,159 We got to run in and I saw I saw some of those boxes, 557 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,400 the Bowman You boxes uh for sin I was running whatever happened to that one, 558 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,159 but yon the card to me, You know, I think you're being 559 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,599 generous out of I think it's borderline fraudulent, you know, to promote the 560 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:00,480 card and to you know, have say, hey, this is this is 561 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,159 part of the Bowman you you know series, and then and then not included 562 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,480 in any of the boxes. I mean, it's clear that they their their 563 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,280 whole intention was to kind of hold it and kind of used as another promo. 564 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,440 But you know, there's nothing wrong with that as long as you state 565 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,800 this card will not be in any of the releases, right in any of 566 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,679 the boxes. So yeah, I don't. I don't. I think that 567 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,679 people legitimately bought the product, you know, thinking however far festicated the odds 568 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,840 war that they had a chance of getting that one card that's that first card 569 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,920 I ever signed. I think I think people legitimately bought the boxes and the 570 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,760 product for that to see if they could somehow get extremely lucky and purchase that. 571 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,840 So to not include it in the product, it doesn't sit right, 572 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,760 you know. I agree? Yeah, yeah, Chris, how about you? 573 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,079 What do you think about this? When I first heard about this, 574 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,480 If you're gonna sign your first autograph, wouldn't you sign the one of one 575 00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:00,280 super fractor instead of the green card numbered at ninety nine? Yeah, I 576 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,760 mean, I think just me, But yeah, I mean, I guess, 577 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,679 I don't know. I mean, I'm in the same I'm in the 578 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:08,440 same boat of for Ratio in this one. All right, go ahead, 579 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:15,559 Chris, Yeah. So, so apparently all of the Wembiana autographs are redemptions 580 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,800 in this product. Yeah, that's correct. And if you pull a redemption 581 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,519 for the green card, you can be entered. You're you're automatically entered into 582 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:30,159 this contest where you could have your green card redemption fulfilled with this particular card. 583 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,079 That that's the way I understand this promotion, right, And I think 584 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,880 they're also having an event to where there and apparently Wembaniona is going to be 585 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,800 at the event. It's gonna be They're holding an event in San Antonio. 586 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,880 Yeah, but I'm, like I said, I'm in the same boat of 587 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,639 for Ratio here. I just don't just doesn't sit right with me. That, 588 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,400 you know, they promoted this card so heavily and this boatman new product, 589 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,159 and then and then next thing you know, it's it's not even in 590 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,159 the product, which actually now what I'm thinking about it, And I guess 591 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,639 this may be a question because I've never pulled a redemption, so like, 592 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,199 if someone pulls redemption, does it say what number of the card it is? 593 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,400 So like or or is there like how does how does how would a 594 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,360 redemption on this card work? That you guys, either of you guys know, 595 00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,960 Like like if someone pulls a green does it say on there it's two 596 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,280 of ninety nine or ten of ninety nine or whatever? Or like do you 597 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,559 send your redemption in and then they just pick which card you get? Like 598 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,880 you either you guys know if that's if that's how that works exactly? Tops 599 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:36,360 doesn't serial number redemption card? So if you get a redemption card, you 600 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,880 send it in or you redeem it online and you basically get the serial number 601 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:45,079 they that they give you. Yeah, that's also sort of maybe a process 602 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,400 that I don't necessarily like if I'm gonna be completely honest, like they just 603 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,480 get to this. I don't know, I mean, maybe maybe I'm over 604 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,840 exaggerating. Does it really matter what the serial number is? I mean, 605 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,920 if you if you get like one, yeah, or the Jersey number, 606 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,559 right, I mean, yeah, if you get number ninety two because that's 607 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,199 the team that he played for, right exactly. Yeah, I don't know, 608 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,760 right, So you know, Horatio, what are your kind of final 609 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,400 thoughts on this topic? Do you have have anything else to say? And 610 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920 then we'll kind of move on to uh got two other topics we're gonna or 611 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,400 one other topic we're gonna cover kind of running down at the end of the 612 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,960 show here. No, not much, just you know that this is he 613 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,000 signed zero one out of ninety nine, and so, uh, you know, 614 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,599 somebody's somebody's gonna get that. I just you know that that's the iconic 615 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:35,000 card. That's his iconic card. That's gonna be one of the chases for 616 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,320 for a while, especially if he ends up becoming you know, the next 617 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,719 whatever, next ten Duncan or whatever. Right, that's gonna be uh V 618 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,079 card to chase. So, like I said, I don't know, I 619 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,719 always someone and I remember this when they came out. I'm gonna say, 620 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,719 who knows if it's gonna be even available, uh for for purchaseing. I 621 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,440 just feel like holding the card for a promotion kind of doesn't doesn't. They 622 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,519 knew what kind of what they were tough to new with. They were doing 623 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,559 even if it was sort of like a redemption, you know, where it 624 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,760 would have been so much cooler. I think I feel like, I don't 625 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,039 know if someone just got out in the wild and received it, you know, 626 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:12,960 made it no kind of one of those things where you you read about 627 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,719 or you see on on social media where it's like they're super excited about pulling 628 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,320 this iconic card, so to speak. Yeah, And I mean, I 629 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440 guess I think, you know, Chris, I think you brought up the 630 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,639 point like why wouldn't he sign the one of one? I mean, I 631 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:29,000 guess, like I wonder if it's kind of like a Chicken of the egg 632 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,360 type situation here, I think with this card, like did he sign the 633 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,960 card like this and then they decided that they were going to do this promotion 634 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,679 or did they know they were going to do the promotion and then they had 635 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,360 him sign this card this specific way. I guess it's like I said, 636 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,119 it's we don't necessarily know which way which way it was like, and we 637 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,119 don't even we I guess we don't know and we probably will never know if 638 00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:51,320 like if this was like was this the plan all along? It just seems 639 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,960 if the timing to me is what gives me? Like the like the ick 640 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:59,079 I suppose is one as an internet word that people use, Like it's like 641 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,960 the time of it, Like it's not like why wouldn't they just announced it 642 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,599 when the product first came out, Like it just doesn't make much sense to 643 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:10,119 me. Maybe Victor one Beanana just went into business for himself, picked the 644 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:15,079 first card out of the pile that he was set by TOPS and it just 645 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:20,400 happened to be this green card and put the extra inscription on it, and 646 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:25,639 Tops maybe knowing that these autographs would not be available in time for pack out 647 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:32,320 and have to go with the redemption route, decided to make chicken salad out 648 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,199 of it, you know, right, yeah, yeah, make a contest 649 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,159 out of this, right yeah. I mean I guess the other thing is 650 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,760 like with there being so many redemptions, like we all know how much of 651 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,199 this product there is, like how many of the how many redemptions have even 652 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,440 really been pulled? Like that's kind of the other comment. That's the other 653 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,079 thing. And I'm wondering, like, like I get maybe obviously not all 654 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,559 ninety nine had been pulled, Like is it is it five? Is it 655 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,760 ten? Is it thirty? Like I just wonder what this event it's even 656 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,400 gonna really look like. And I think, you know, like you said, 657 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,800 they just they just send out these cards. So it's like, I 658 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,480 guess the people who pulled the redemption or who because now this is I mean, 659 00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,639 this is or maybe they saw some slowing down of sales so they're like, 660 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,039 Okay, now we're going to announce it, so now that people know 661 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,440 that because people were excited for the product because it had Wemennon in it either 662 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,840 way, and they were going to be excited for it, so you know, 663 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,199 maybe announcing it wouldn't have really it gave them another opportunity to market the 664 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,519 product with this card in it. So I think that's probably what it was. 665 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,280 But like I said, I don't know. I just didn't When I 666 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440 saw this, I kind of was like it was the same thing with the 667 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,280 Bronnie James. It was actually two moments that have kind of happened recently where 668 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,199 Top sort of promoted something but then it wasn't the full story. Like and 669 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,199 I guess maybe it's not up to Tops to necessarily come out and announced that 670 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440 Bronnie James isn't in a product after they announced it, But like, if 671 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,960 you have a product with Bronny potentially in it, and you announced that he 672 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,159 signed an NIL contract in the same time period coming out it, maybe you 673 00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,519 know, you'll maybe want to tell people so that way they don't go out 674 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,960 and buy this product thinking they're gonna pull up Brownie James card. Maybe similar 675 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,320 with this, like if this card can't well, and I guess you wouldn't 676 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,039 even really necessarily have pulled the card because they're all redemptions unfortunately. But yeah, 677 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,559 like I said, it's it's it'll be interesting. I mean, you 678 00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:23,239 know, I think we have the NBA starts probably in October or does anybody 679 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,400 know when the start of the season is. We're coming up on the training 680 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,119 cancels usually on the October. Yeah, sorry, but that Yeah, so 681 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,159 well, I guess we'll see. Well, you know, I think it'll 682 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:38,000 be cool. We'll see another it's another event that tops in finashks for putting 683 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,000 on. I mean, I think they usually put on pretty cool events. 684 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,280 So we're gonna actually move on to the last topic here. It is going 685 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:52,400 to be uh Panini making a decision back in twenty twenty that has now cost 686 00:44:52,440 --> 00:45:00,199 them twenty five million dollars. There was apparently a copyright from Triple A wild 687 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,800 Card back in ninety two. That Pannini was just like, uh, we're 688 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,559 gonna which I can't. I actually I look at the cards. I'm like, 689 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,800 how, like how do you do this? Like why would you do 690 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,880 this? Like like it's it's it's unfortunate, and it's it's it's an unfortunate 691 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,519 story because like what happened was, uh, they basically just copied the design 692 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,039 and now they have to pay wild Card twenty five million dollars and wild Card 693 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:29,920 had a pretty big booth at the National I would say that probably is going 694 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,199 to be bigger next year because they got this extra twenty five million dollars from 695 00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:36,639 Panini. This is the last thing that Panini needs right now is which obviously 696 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,559 this is from twenty twenty, so it's not necessarily something they can control. 697 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,960 Uh, it's unfortunate. Horatia. I'll start with you, what are kind 698 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,639 of your initial thoughts on h on this copyright infringement that we've seen. I 699 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:50,320 mean, before we got on, I was like, you know, I 700 00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,800 was familiar with wild Card. I got a couple of you know, old 701 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,599 football cards. I got an EMT Smithemant Smith wild Card, but asked Chris, 702 00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,519 I was like, does wild Card still make any any cards? And 703 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,639 so uh and you know he told me they still they still do, and 704 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,239 so for them to get Panini agreed to pay them twenty five million dollars. 705 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,320 I'm like, I mean, that's a pretty significant winfall for wild Card. 706 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,920 Now, I guess now they're in the game right now they can maybe do 707 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,760 something with with, you know, more products. So as far as the 708 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,480 designs go, Like, look, man, I don't know. I mean, 709 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,320 I mean, especially the backs of the cards right that they're exactly the 710 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,000 same pretty much. You know, you could argue, I guess for the 711 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,559 front a little bit. Besides that top right logo. You know, the 712 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,800 Panini version is brighter, you know, it's got a nicer, nicer picture. 713 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,320 They also have a rough free in the background. But Panini knew what 714 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,079 they were doing, uh, because they're paying twenty five million dollars. So 715 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,920 yeah, yeah, good, good for wild Card. Yeah, definitely, 716 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,800 Chris, how would you what do you think? You know? Over the 717 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,719 last ten, fifteen, twenty years, card companies have gotten into this habit 718 00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:59,880 of recycling a lot of their old designs. You know, just about every 719 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,400 Tops product of the last four or five years it's had some kind of reprint 720 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,280 ins or you know, this year in Tops Baseball there was the eighty eight 721 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:14,679 Tops reprints. Last year it was the eighty seven reprints. The year before 722 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:20,480 that it was eighty six. Heritage is a brand that's based on reprinting a 723 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:25,159 fifty year old card set. Archives is much the same way. This is 724 00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:34,079 the first time I think I've ever seen a card company reprinting someone else's design. 725 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,719 Yeah, I know. The only thing that I can think of that 726 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:45,440 vaguely is like this is that I remember Upper Deck made a card set that 727 00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:51,719 kind of vaguely looked like seventy one Tops. It was a little bit different, 728 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,239 you know, they didn't they had the team name at the bottom instead 729 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,920 of the top, but it was a dead ringer for seventy one Tops. 730 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,960 I think it was two thousand two Vintage Baseball. I guess that was one 731 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:12,440 way they could have gotten around copyright was making that change. But to see 732 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,000 a company just blatantly rip off someone else, I've I've never seen this before, 733 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:23,760 and I don't think we'll be seeing well unless Fanatics buys up everyone else. 734 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,119 I don't think you'll see anything like this again. I mean, i'd 735 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,840 like to know what Panini was thinking a couple of years ago when they did 736 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,119 this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. My initial My initial 737 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:44,320 thoughts are like there had to have been some sort of agreement that they were 738 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,199 trying to do and that didn't go through, and that it was too late 739 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,079 too. Like that's the only thing I can really think of because it's literally 740 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:55,480 the design is exactly the same, Like it has the stats Smasher's logo on 741 00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,920 the card, and I think that's that's also one of the big copyright issues. 742 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,199 They're using the logo, they're literally using the logo from the exact card, 743 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,559 so like you're using the logo, they're using the little squiggles in the 744 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,360 design. Like even even the squiggles have the same amount, they're the same 745 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,519 amount. It's like it just doesn't it doesn't make the font is exactly the 746 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,800 same. Like as as someone who's a designer, like you know, there 747 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,079 have been you know, there have been times where I've taken inspiration like doing 748 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:23,239 like T shirts and stuff like that, But it's like when the only thing 749 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,880 that I can really think of with this is that they were trying to they 750 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,119 were trying to do some sort of deal or some sort of thing where they 751 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:36,239 could use the IP, or they just thought that because I don't they I 752 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,760 don't know, for some reason, maybe they thought the IP of it had 753 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,440 expired because like that happens with Disney, where it went like this happened with 754 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,199 Winnie the Pooh actually recently. This is not a sports card, but it's 755 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:49,280 a little bit often a little tangent here Winnie the Pooh, their IP legal 756 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,320 IP expired, so like they like someone made like a horror movie with Winnie 757 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,960 the Pooh in it, and like this is something that maybe I don't know, 758 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,159 maybe Pannini was like, oh the IP maybe be it expired or something 759 00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,159 along those lines, or there was some sort of deal. Because to me 760 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,239 as a designer, to copy it like word for word basically, especially on 761 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,000 the back of these cards, like to make it look exactly the same, 762 00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,119 just doesn't make any sense. Like and also it's tough because it's like if 763 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:19,719 you're a designer, and you're if you're a designer opinion. I don't know 764 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,159 how many designers they have, but you know they're coming out with new sets 765 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,159 and new inserts, like every single day. So it's like you gotta you're 766 00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:28,920 turning and burn it just through all these designs, trying to get them done 767 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,039 as quickly as you can. So maybe it just slipped through the cracks too, 768 00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:35,039 Like maybe it was a designer who did it because he got an initiative 769 00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,360 from somebody to do it, and you know, the next thing, you 770 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,000 know, it's just the card is out there and actually there's nothing they can 771 00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:44,199 really do about it. Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's 772 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,840 a little it's unfortunate. Uh, you know, Chris, I'll keep, 773 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,679 I'll keep. I'll ask you again, like do you think, like how 774 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:53,599 do you think something like this happens? In your opinion? I mean, 775 00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:55,639 this is it is. Like I said, it doesn't make sense to me. 776 00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:01,400 So I'm not saying that thought that this trademark might have been abandoned, 777 00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:07,599 which which is a thing, right, But you know, the wild Card, 778 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,039 the original card came out in nineteen ninety two and wild Card has been 779 00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,400 out of went out of business shortly. They're the original wild Card, so 780 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:24,920 apparently someone must have kept that trademark alive. Uh. I don't know. 781 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,320 I mean, I don't see how a company that wasn't around for over a 782 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:36,679 quarter of a century could legally keep this trademark alive, but apparently somebody did, 783 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,800 right, Yeah, and uh, just it's it's it's similar to the 784 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,840 Jordan's story where it's like it just doesn't make sense how all of these things 785 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,239 had to kind of line up for something like this to happen. You know, 786 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,079 Horaciel, I'll kind of ask you the same question, like how, 787 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,679 like how do you think that this how do you think this happened? Like 788 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,239 it's just it's it doesn't really make much. It's it's exactly the same. 789 00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:59,880 Like I said, it's it bowls my mind that that it's something like this 790 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:04,039 happened. Yeah, I mean I wish I had a greater understanding of you 791 00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,039 know, like a law background, like Chris, like, what is the 792 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,880 limitations for a trademark? You know, like maybe they felt like since that 793 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,599 came out in ninety two and they were defunct for you know, more than 794 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:19,239 ten I'm reading somewhere that says the trademark Federal trademarks last ten years, but 795 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,039 that release was in twenty twenty, so I guess you have to read through 796 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:23,880 all that. But yeah, I mean somebody must have thought that it was 797 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,199 okay, you know that this is an old card. They're out of business. 798 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,880 Uh. Maybe they didn't do their due it. Maybe they hired a 799 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,239 bad lawyer who said, yeah, the trademark hasn't been renewed, because you 800 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,000 could the original the original hold of the trademark renew it for ten because you 801 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,519 know, for ten years, they have the opportunity to do that. So 802 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,320 maybe they thought that they didn't do their their full due diligence and thought that 803 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,199 the trademark was was was dead and so that they could use it. That's 804 00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,960 the only thing I could think of. The Other thing I was thinking is 805 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,440 like, I'm curious about why twenty five million dollars was awarded. I mean, 806 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,920 that's that's a significant amount, you know, like how much how much 807 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,440 did that product sell? And uh, I mean I find it hard to 808 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,760 believe that that Putini football product, you know alone, you know, it 809 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,079 was twenty five million dollars. I mean why why why ripping off that insert? 810 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:12,519 You know, would would would would then it be such a significant amount 811 00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,000 to award to them. It's an interesting kind of settlement, I guess. 812 00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:22,039 And I'm wondering, well, that is a settlement like I wonder what they 813 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,880 were actually initially suing for it, right, right, Yeah, yeah, 814 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,920 I mean I do. I do hope that one day there'll be some sort 815 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,960 of like documentary that's put together with like all the hobby lawsuits, like some 816 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,599 sort of like true true crime documentary, like some sort of I don't know. 817 00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,239 I think that we've seen so many different lawsuits and then you know, 818 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,320 it almost feels like an episode of Secession, like where it's like everybody's backstabbing, 819 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,119 everyone's going behind people's backs, everybody's suing everybody. It's like all it's 820 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,199 like it's all going on all at once, and it's it's really it's it's 821 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,079 I don't know when it stops or if it ever stops, because it's like, 822 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,920 you know, fans obviously is coming in and they're trying to I don't 823 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,800 actually I just know of succession. I don't necessarily I don't know any of 824 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,119 the characters, but it just seems like you know, they're you know who 825 00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:15,000 posted actually funny picture was It was John John Newman from Sports Card Nation. 826 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,679 He posted another co host here on the show. Uh, he posted I 827 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,519 think it was like a godfather. It was like a meme of The Godfather 828 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:25,079 with uh he was holding like the cat that had like a Fanatics logo, 829 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:29,199 and then it was Michael Rubin's face that was That was that was. I 830 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,800 thought that was a pretty funny one that I think that sums up kind of 831 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,039 what's going on here too. If I'm gonna be honest, like with uh 832 00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,400 them making all these moves and all these things going on, I, like 833 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,199 I said, I think I'm hoping that there's some way to document all these 834 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,920 crazy things that are happening within this industry because it feels like maybe it's because 835 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,400 we're in it, but it feels like every day there's some sort of like 836 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,119 industry changing news that happens. And like I said, I'm wondering if it's 837 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,679 if it's like that in in under other industries, I'm not I'm not really 838 00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:59,760 sure. But yeah, So we're coming up. We're coming up at the 839 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,960 top the hour, which is going to be the end of the show. 840 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,559 I will you know, we'll go around the horn one more time. Any 841 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,599 thought, final thoughts here, any words of wisdom that we have maybe end 842 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,159 of the end of the show, Chris will start with you what do you 843 00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:15,159 what do you got for the fans. Let them know if you got to 844 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,840 plug anything, let them know that. And then, uh, just any 845 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,119 words of wisdom as we as we wrap up the show. First of all, 846 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:28,559 card companies, please stop ripping off other companies designs, ripping off your 847 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:34,000 own designs. Come up with something new every once in a while. Other 848 00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:39,320 than that, I really don't have much to plug plug baseball, card PDIA, 849 00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:45,719 follow me on Twitter whatever they're calling it now, that's still um and 850 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:51,320 uh, that's all I got. Keep on rocking the Free world to make 851 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,360 sure. Yeah good, make sure you make sure you get that one into 852 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,599 the rock in the Free World race you how about you? Which you which 853 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,280 you got on the horizon? Anything you want to plug? And then you 854 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,360 know, some final words of wisdom maybe on the show. Yeah no, 855 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,119 no, don't don't get anything. I got some things, uh, some 856 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,360 articles I'm working on, uh, you know, coming out next month for 857 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:12,599 Sports Collectors Daily to kind of took a light load on during the summer. 858 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,920 I guess the the words of wisdom would be, you know, if you 859 00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:23,239 are an industry watchdog or a hobby watchdog, you know kind of truly understand 860 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,880 what that means. You know, if you're gonna take on that role. 861 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,079 And if you're gonna listen to an industry watchdog or a hobby watchdog, you 862 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:37,119 know, always always takes you know, always look at it from two different 863 00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:39,559 lenses. You know, it's it's just kind of unfortunate. I think one 864 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:44,079 of the worst things is when people are are taking advantage of people that they 865 00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:47,559 kind of trust or or kind of believe in. That's the biggest kind of 866 00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:52,280 uh, you know, pain and kind of uh where these candles are get 867 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,840 even worse, you know, right one, Yeah, totally agree, And 868 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,960 I mean I think I always try and do the do this at the end 869 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:01,480 the show. It's like we always are going to have new people coming into 870 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,199 the hobby that are always going to have questions. So just know that, 871 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,199 like you know, if you are being asked a question on Twitter, someone's 872 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,800 probably a little bit scared to ask you that question, so like you gotta 873 00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,079 you know, respond with respect. I always try and make sure I always 874 00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,800 do that type of stuff and make sure that you know, new people coming 875 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,519 in they want to learn the same way that you were new coming in at 876 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,440 one point two. So you know, the only things I gotta plug. 877 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,159 We've got Hobby Hotline. Actually, our Tuesday or only Tuesday episode of the 878 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:30,119 month is coming up this upcoming Tuesday, the fifth. We've got Danny Black, 879 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,800 Oscar Torres, and Victor Victor Ramone. They're going to be the hosts 880 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,960 on that show. That'll be on the Hobby hot Line YouTube YouTube page. 881 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:45,599 And then next Saturday we'll be back here on the bench Clear Media to do 882 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:50,719 the show as well. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you if you're 883 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,000 watching on YouTube, appreciate it. And we will see you guys all in 884 00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:53,480 the next one.