Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the plan of the Apes Retrospective.
I can I always forget what the sound is. Fuck, I did
that last time. I gotta drop it now because other movies are coming back.
But he sees the horse and they look, ah, what I think
of the Mando? I always think of the Mando horn every time. What
what is that? It's her? But I did the Mando last time.
No, but it's like, but yeah, I am the damn human bastard
trash. Now I'm joining by. I'm the King Nobody Nobody Retrospective today.
It took so long. Sorry, I'm the interrogated Taylor Field. I re
listened to those episodes. I just said, Kirkling and tearor they're not cutting
it, so I'm gonna just take them out and just do it myself.
That's why I had the double me. I was gonna just throw throw myself.
What do you think you need a delay though, otherwise it's just you
talking over yourself always. It would be always a five. Yeah, you
just have to I have to keep switching in and out the windows. At
that point, I just talked to myself that there, Well, that's when
I do the puppet cast, and I have my own puppet, you know,
which is crazy because I so Gwen because obviously she is school want not
to do library day. I have not read Goosebumps in years. I learned
that slap he has a brother now and a son. His brother, yeah,
it's new canon is his son is Jackson. His son is Jackson,
but that's the kid that I turned into a puppets doesn't really count. And
then his brother, he's a twin brother named Wally. He was carved from
the same cough and that slap he was, so there you go. Damn.
The more you know, the more you know. I can't wait till
I'm sixteen and we have no content and I can finally do Goose one's retrospective
one day. Somebody, I gotta set a goal. I gotta I get
to set like a thousand dollars patron goal. We hit that, I'll do
every single episode of goosebe I'll just donate yourself because you want to do it
so bad. Yeah exactly, But lays showman, We're here to talk about,
not puppets, not apes, not whatever Taylor searching up. We're here
to talk. You just wake up from now up? No? Why Okay,
you just look like you get your nap hair. So that's why you
should come a little bit fluster. Oh no, I was. I was
watching Monarch and the whole time is just playing with my hair, just as
watching it's that every day he's like fucking Marrow, he's that we the not
night Rider, the fucking mad Max villain. Just when he's get his hair
and play with Yeah, that retro Monarch, no mad Max retro. I'm
excited because we just talked about last night. You hadn't watched it, so
we'll have to talk next week for suit. Your thoughts are so far good,
good chance, I'll have it finished by them. So what are you
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how many episodes it is. I just I rewatched episode one with Madison and
she's joining like five hundred episodes. He's like, I done it, I'll
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the feed. Oh my god, my fucking Izzy is dropping some bombs tonight.
She's right beside me, and it is like or it's just no right
now, I can't free you smelt it, you delt he just passes out
on the keyboards, Taylor, if I dealt it, why on casts would
I be like, Oh, I have no reason to line? Yeah,
what is Kirklin gonna be? Like? You guys smell? I think she
is farting over there? No, like, I like, she's just she
must have something going on because this morning her belly was gurgling as like going
and then all her like passings have been like all normal, So like I'm
like waiting for it. But uh, what's her diet? What do you
feed her? Just dog food? We don't do human human toads, yeah,
the shade clones that Krookla doesn't use. Just ships. She of course
gets a couple of crumbs because the girls are always dropping something in like a
treat here and there, but we don't do and bulldogs have a lot of
alergies, so she has has specifically kangaroo so like stuff like chicken and fish
can't have something. It's like an evolution thing, like they're from Australia and
they just the kangaroos. Bulldogs are from Australia. Yeah, British bulldogs,
kangaroos. I feel like they just evolved from that. If you yes,
to eat kangaroo. It just means she's no large kangaroo. I don't know
that. What are you looking at, Taylor? What are you? I'm
just curious, Like where the British bulldog Australia was from Britain of Britain.
I don't mean when they came from Britain. I'm not that daf they like
what dogs are, like we're spliced together to create the British bulldog because they're
a proper descendant. It's no I always see like hoity high like people that
own bulldogs are the worst and they're bringing and yes they got some Marien issues,
but is he's also like other than some of his Like she's like she's
doing really great. Hellth fights for being ten years old now and stuff and
bulldogs like are eight to twelve and she's doing pretty good. Watch he'll fucking
kill over to more on this absolut age really poorly. But no, I
think he's hanging on for a while. But either way, but you know,
she's had a good run. She's now she's living her best life.
I'm home with her every day, Like that's the that's a dog dream to
have some working at home. So but yes, let's let's talk about apes
and talk about transition from one dark thing too maybe another one. So Conquest
of the Plant the Apes is our first of the of the doubles. This
is a sequel that takes place nineteen years later from Escape from the Planet the
Apes is falling Milo aka Caesar. I'm glad they changed the Caesar for many
reasons, but Milo is not that great, So this one, yeah,
ip, Milo just den the water somewhere floating. But yeah, this is
a sequel following zero cornelis child and you know what what would happen if you
have this talking ape? But it's all keema, hush hush. But much
like the pros Ata the last time, cats and dogs have all died,
So apes became pets and then they slowly became workers and then slaves. So
lots of change in the Scriclum Pats or do you have any memories of Conquest
of the Plant Apes in the past and what do you think about it currently?
Yeah, this one was the I feel like the one that I had
the least knowledge of going into it. I definitely thought I had seen it
before, but going through it, like, definitely, I don't think so
I like, I remember Battle, do you. I'm surprised that battles That
for me, that's when I saw the least as a kid was Battle.
I feel like for Battle, there were certain scenes that I was expecting to
show up in this movie, but it like they just weren't there. So
I'm definitely just pointing towards Okay, Yeah, though there's Battle the one that
I remembered more so than this one because it I was just very surprised with
what was going on. Especially this is like, well, I guess Rise
is like almost a remake of this or like expanded upon sort of like same
character name. He agrees thought he was blowing bubbles for a second every time
that comes up, and then he just freezes. I'm just blowing you spit
bubbles. Guys, look at this. I'm like to board things. But
so the way I had Cannons, technically you could say that Rise is a
remake, but the way I had Cannon it is Rise takes space before planning
the apes, and this takes place after plan because like there's a chicken egg,
right, because we talked about this last week, where like, okay,
if you knew like Taylor Charlton Heston. I hate Saint Taylor because we
have a tailor. Charlton Hesson goes up to space right when Zero and cornelis
come down. He's still gone. They didn't go past that point. But
in Rise, Charlton Heston's character is going to space. So that's why I
think this is a Chicken Eggs in Air where it is similar. But I
think that Rise is a prequel to Plant the Apes, but this is actually
a sequel now. The way it kind of is because it doesn't make sense
because after Caesar takes over Taylor, Charlton Hesson would never go to that planet
because it's already happened, right, so that it's a mind fucker thing.
But yes, they're essentially the Ape Uprising movie, and you know, Rise
is kind of an up a remaking of sense. So I feel like I
just look at this as almost like an anthology type film or like I don't
know, a little what if scenario just and maybe I feel that way because
of the overall quality. I didn't actually love this one too much. I
feel like I was a little bit let down. The concept was really good,
like on paper, I just think the actual delivery of it was lacking.
And maybe it's just because I had seen obviously a more modern day version
in Rise, so maybe like just my own, I don't know, preconceived
expectations were kind of like I just kind of set it up to fail.
Unfortunately, knowing that this was like Caesar's sort of story and just the whole
dystopian jump from where we were in the last movie, it just seemed a
little bit far fetch and almost like very sci fi. Like I know,
these are all sci fi type movies, but the last one felt more grounded,
just because like what that one's based in. I guess it's what was
it a year before this movie? This one came on seventy two, So
they're saying this is what the two thousands is supposed to look like, because
this is pretty much twenty years later. Yeah, yeah, okay, I
was just trying to remember what that era. I guess was that first one.
It would have been like modern day of when they filmed it, right
in the seventies they hit the nail on the head. Yeah, I think
we said it was seventy nine. I think right, we said last one,
so they're going into the eighties way. I'm confused that with Mad Max
I think I'll confirm. Yeah, I can't quite. So you're just trying
to fire out when this movie was like timeline wise, No, when was
the first one? When was when was Escape? Escape? Was the seventies
exact year? No, but we're looking for the exactly that you didn't help
us out all. I mean, Kirkling just went back to about like trying
to figure out seventy and like, oh, I know somewhere in the seventies.
Yeah, me, that part. We're trying to if the movie,
because the movies takes place nineteen years later, what year did Escape take place?
And it would have been seventy I'm just gonna look it up just to
say it again. God, but where was they to go with that?
Uh yeah, just this just dopium jump that we had from the last movie.
It just seems very like quite the leap. I feel like even I
don't know, just the whole seventy one seventy one, Okay, so it
would take place in nine right, Yeah, so this movie takes place in
the nineties, so they definitely were even more so I'm not gonna sit what
I'm seeing. Seventy three the spaceship Crashes of California southern coast in nineteen seventy
three. Oh is that? Why would they randomly in the movie be like,
this movie comes out in nineteen seventy one, but we're gonna place it
two years either way. Early nineties is when this movie is supposed to be
taking place, very very very set dates in mind. God, but yeah,
just like overall, I feel like I really didn't like the first act
a whole lot. It was. It was very slow of just showing I
guess, the apes in their situation and just kind of getting that explanation across
that, you know, like the disease came in killed all cats and dogs,
which is just like, okay, that's pretty specific, I guess,
but whatever, those are the only the only pets that were affected, Like
did the goldfish get wiped out? To No, just the cats and the
dogs, and then they just replaced them with the apes. And I just
feel like the whole set up of them in that societal I don't know class,
I guess, so just being pets but then also like converted into slaves.
It was. It just seemed like quite a leap coming from from the
previous movie because they don't really like hint towards that at all. That's why
it just seems like such a contained type anthology. Don't hint towards what.
Just like the apes becoming slaves and like replacing animals. It's like a high
robot situation. Said that last movie though, what did they say? Remember
Cornelis gives the whole thing. They're like, what happens with apes? And
they're like they become slaves and workers, and they give an ape of command
and no yeah, and the ape says no they do. That is like
the most repeated line in this entire movie. No no. But they did
set up where they said they became no, you got me, you got
me? Checkmate there So okay, my own dad there one and just the
whole I don't know, like parrying the apes and like there's in their set
colors and you have these like again, it's just like a total dystopian type
situation. Whereas where we were nineteen years prior, like it's life just as
it was essentially like without like a humanoid type eight coming from space. It
just seemed like that's what life was like in the seventies, where it's here,
it's like we're I don't know, in like a Hunger Games type situation
where like everybody's wearing a certain garb. It's very like everyone's wearing black.
All of the the architecture of the buildings and everything. It just seems like
a like a different type planet almost, which is how different it is from
the previous movie. You have the guards and basically like their Nazi outfits,
they're wearing like those like imperial type hats and everything. It just it just
seems very different than the previous one. And I think that jump was just
a little bit too much for me, And overall it was just you have
two fingers in the air. Remember when I told you a trivia. When
they've talked about making the first one Apes a sci fi movie, I feel
like they took that concept into hear. I'm not saying that's like for you,
like the change opinion. I'm just saying like, yeah, they like
they were like they hadn't in the ideas and they're like, well, He's
still done that, like Apes in his sci fi type of movie, Because
you know, it's I guess that's what Maybe they had that in the back
of their mind because this even though I don't know how much he wrote in
my trivia, But this is a guy that was supposed to direct the first
Apes and something happened, so he ended up directing this one last one.
But so I wonder there's some correlation to like, well, when I was
working, Apes was gonna be uh robots and uh, you know, I'm
curious, I'm curious on the show is. But yeah, like just even
even from like Beneath and then to Escape the like the Planet of the Apes,
Like those three movies they seem somewhat similar in a sense where this one
is. It's just very different across the board in my opinion. And yeah,
like even I feel like it got slightly better into the second act and
then the third act again like maybe got slightly better. It was really like
the big climax that I was the most interested in. But even then,
like this is a movie came on in nineteen seventy two, like a lot
of like the practical effects and stuff, they aren't too convincing in my opinion.
It just, I don't know, it looked like they had a big
idea for this large scale event and it just kind of looked cheesy in my
opinion. And I don't know, I don't know what it is. There's
a bunch of different factors for sure that brought down my overall enjoyment. But
yeah, like this one a lot less than I was expecting to. So
you think beneath Fit still fits with those three, that we're still on the
same I guess, well, it's all the same planet, you know.
I guess yea, it just seems without the mutant people. I guess like
we're the third happens in that movie. We're still dealing with like the same
colony that the play with the Apes were in. And just like the whole
hierarchy of well, I guess the hierarchy changes there because the grills are now
in charge, but like the orangutangs, and just like the whole societal structure
is very similar to the first one where till it's not until it's you got
me there that third actually it's the whole game. What the fuck was that
guy that? What was his name in the movie the which little brain guy?
A little Charleton Neston we always forget, Oh yeah, he didn't remember
his name with a brass Who was it? I can't remember, but some
very basic white dude name. I feel jelling or something. Yeah, tear
Field, what did you think about? Funny if it's a reoccurring joke that
nobody remembers him name, everybody just remembers Taylor Now we can't remember. And
three we made the big deal on that, Like you think we would remember
his name after that, but we don't. You're what hell? No?
Oh okay, I'll look sorry. So yeah, this this movie I remember
never really being the one I was always rushing off to. I feel like
it was always going to be Escape or it's gonna be the first one for
me to kind of go towards. But seeing it now, I definitely have
a little bit more of an appreciation for this one, just because of how
it was set up from Escape. But I also, like, I want
to critique and come down hard on human he just being idiots for being late
having the doom, their doom laid out in front of them, and here
they are just fucking eat it up like they just pursued their doom. And
for that reason, I think it's just it's really they like Rebecca Ferguson and
Doune, what's going on here? They pursued their due like they were told,
Like, Hey, the plague White sail cats and dogs, and many
took apes and that was their downfall. What do they fucking do? Oh
a plague took out cats and dogs and they just recruited apes. And then
they're getting the intelligence reports and this one fucking guy, a little el Brent,
that's right. Yeah, so a few things like I'm just like to
nitpick. He got the one governor I think he was a governor, and
he just has a heart on for hate on the apes and ape just like
does something independent. He's like, Oh, they're fucking rising up against He's
just he's just what you want. The character. You said, you don't
like that they're going towards their own doom. But here's one guy that's like
he's going they created the problem though, and then here he is, he's
getting like, oh give me the little you know, there's those reports like
over statistics show the apes intelligence is on the rise. Yeah, they're gonna
fucking overthrow us. He was very like that we gotta do itidem the guy's
like, hold up, I've already explained that what is happening? So like
before he continued, like I guess is he a government of trying to figure
out like governor like the governor. Yeah, okay, because this is still
Governor Brick. Is his name? What is it, Governor Brick? Oh
it's not, it's not brand He's not related to same character he's had to
send Yeah, before he goes to space. Nobody remember my dad. I
was just wondering. Though this is nineteen years ago, we have to remember
that. Who did we just watched this movie. Who did Cornelius tell that
story to? Was it our good doctors? Though it was it was definitely
like uh like c I A like Newman and everything, like Victor Newman was
them. I'm pretty sure it was. When was the good doctor right?
Or was he No, he's the bad one. He was the one that
got shot at the I thought it was. I thought it was put like
on file, And that's my only counter that I don't think it was.
And I could be wrong. If it is, maybe I'll I don't know
how to pull it up because I don't have access to just play as yeah,
but like that's my only thing is if they told the Good Doctors,
I could see a version where no, the people do never learn about that,
right, So that's why I'd have to have that confirmed. And then
let's say the flip side, if it was the bad people, would they
tell everybody that? Or do you think they would just wait and then if
it happens, that's when they tell everybody, because we know, like governments,
they're not gonna share anything. So it's not like Cornelius said that,
and then the next day of the President's like, by the way, dogs
and cats are gonna die in a few years and monkeys will take over,
Like, they wouldn't tell the public that. That'd be mass hysteria. So
that's why I was wondering if they if the news either way got full spread
to everybody, or if it was just in a circle of those people that
like even Newman if he knew he fucking died on the pier, so he
wasn't gonna tell anybody, right, So that's why I'm wondering if like the
core that knew that kind of died or kept to themselves, like the good
doctors aren't gonna say anything either. The good guys, they're not gonna be
like, oh, by the way, monkeys are gonna take over and killsall
I found it. It's basically halfway through the movie. Okay, he was
in there so it's just like this, it's not Newman, well I guess
Newman might be in the room, but it's it's at the CIA like head
not headquarters, but at the secret base. So the good doctors actually weren't
even there for that conversation. It was just purely I got on record,
right yeah. Oh so then with that news then the public wouldn't know,
but you, I guess would think that the c and people would step up
once the cats and dogs did die, So I mean they should. I
mean, like this is this is the CIA, and this is obviously transitioned
into whatever, like fuck, within twenty years, the whole American country has
transitioned to this fucking dictatorship. It's play or as we just watched Appenheimer this
year. Is there a version and we didn't get this? This is me
head can in the movie. So it doesn't count to whether you like it
or not. You can see a version of politics in general where people hear
about this terrible idea, but they go, oh, but we can control
and make sure that doesn't happen, and they learn that, oh monkeys,
gorillas, look how smart they could be. We get them do that if
we can control it. Like talking about what the president last week, right,
like, can we do we have the power to control the future music?
I don't know. So that's that's where you could I could see like
look at the fucking atomic bomb, right, like that's the thing of we
made this thing. But it's like, Okay, well, what the fuck
should we really do with it now? Even though they made the automic bomb
fully knowing what the fuck it could do, and they still made it,
right, it's the same thing, you know what these apes can do,
But fuck, I do miss having a dog, so maybe let's do a
monkey. You know. It's funny, like that's such a big motivation for
them to like bring these apes into their society and replace like the pets,
and then they have a little bit more functions so they can basically just becomes.
And it seems like every single shot that it shows these like slave apes
on screen, they're just like not doing well at their job. They're they're
fucking up everything. Their owners are just freaking out of them, like go
home, Lisa, go home, Henry, whatever the fuck their names are,
And it's just like how successful are these apes? Like they spend so
much money to get to get them to serve them, and it just seems
like every single day they just fuck something up. They can't pour the water
glock of the auction. Yeah, but you put ak forty seven. Their
hands are going down. Yeah, they know what. We love that clip
real quick. We'll get there for the continue Taylor didn't get because we we
went off on tangent. But you're talking about how the society doing itself,
but just your general thought, I mean, doing them dooming themselves. But
I think over all the playing with my hair again, fuck uh, the
fall off, I think that overall what the movie kind of it was coming
down to. Yeah, I just think it's I think it's pretty that quick.
I think it's pretty cool though, just for the fandom to be able
to get a wacky, wild film like this on top of everything that we've
gotten, because this feels like it's a what if scenario or just something that's
just out of the just the general narrative. It just feels very cool.
And I think that back then there people are probably super hyped to actually see
how things unfolded. It's kind of like an equivalent is like oh, in
a new Hope you hear will be won, Like oh, on the Clone
Wars and all of a sudden, years later you get to see a movie
with the Clone Wars and you get to see those events unravel. So it's
pretty cool to see how many prequels were there in the seventies. You know,
probably not too many. But other than that, I think it felt
like this is a This wasn't like a short movie, but it felt short.
It's only an hour and a half. An hour and a half,
oh yeah, I thought it was. Yeah, they keep these things tight
budget. You know. Well, that's another thing too. This one feels
very tight on the budget because I feel like we were revisiting many of the
set pieces reoccurringly throughout the film. They shot this all in like a university.
That's where they spent the budget on the ape costumes. Yeah, some
are great in summer, Oh yeah, were questionable. It's not good when
they're all together because then the question ones really stand out. When you got
like there's six great apes, there's sixth grade apes with Caesar, then there's
that one, were like, fuck, what happened to this guy? I
definitely do appreciate just the turning point when Caesar is just not he's not happy
with with how shit's going down, and I think Armando Armando bring up here
was definitely pretty bold, but I guess he had interviewed and it was a
big mistake. He should have left him behind. But obviously he was being
interviewed and he had to be interrogated and they were questioning him. So why
he's not bringing his circus to the city and stay into the outer regions,
I guess, so don't bring Caesar like they probably wanted to do tests and
interview him to or to a slight interview him. At this point, they
don't think monkeys can talk, So what the fuck's monkey is saying? Well,
they think they think that they can because they're they're super bigh because like
even before I feel like they're dispersing apes that are gathering, like they have
this very preconceived notion that they're just terrified, like okay, like one of
these apes will talk. They just this is a society that's been built that
they didn't believe that that baby that died was the real Caesar or was Milo,
I guess in the last film. So they're so paranoid. But on
top of that, I just really do get a kick out of the fact
that after Armando is gone and you have Caesar just kind of just he understands
what he needs to do, and you just get a five to ten minute
sequence of just an ape doing a chore. And then he looks and you
see it Caesar just standing fucking oft in the distance and yeah, just like
this head nod and the grilla will dump the garbage back, or like the
clean the apist cleaning the silver war this is my favorite one. And he
he looks and you see Caesar like looking down ominously and then he like slides
the knife into the cloth and like he's just like a great like yeah,
I'm doing this, Like they just instantly so human. There's a lot of
head nods, just fucking Ronny McDowell, I got a lot of head Tom
Hardy his eye acting, Roby mcdowll's head not acting. I just love it.
It's just like very mischievous, like just even little stuff like just taking
a ship on some guy's cars. Like he looks over and she was just
the monkey just climbs that cheap as it's happenings just can't be a good one
is gonna go. We're gonna go a lot of tangents. I feel aout
this one. So you like the movie or you don't like the movie.
I gotchay it. Okay, I enjoy it. You enjoy it now you're
older, is what you said. M m okay, oh God, bad
time. Uh yeah, I fucking love this movie. Not a great movie,
but like I love like the meme aspects. But I also I think
I am what Terror just described. I was that little kid of man.
We're actually gonna see it. I think there's some stumbles along the way.
I don't think everything's great. I think a lot of the human characters very
suck. But I do think the third act, when the takeover happens,
that fucking has the juice man, because that is they make these apes as
scary as they can be, but they make them scary. And I just
remember watching this as a kid being like, Okay, they might break down
everything, but when they're just going around fucking just murdering humans, you're like,
geez, and I got into trivia. I hate it so much and
I'll probably just bring it up now. But like the ending, and that's
why I sum about with At the time of this recording, uh Superman,
Superman, Mike in the discord was talking about how he likes Rise better because
it just feels like a superior remake. And it definitely is like my I
suppose were my rankings would be like Rise is on a different level. But
what I love about this for the most part until the last thirty seconds where
the studios got scared, what I like is we're getting those similar issues again
where it's very much like Plan the Apes one, but again it's the flip
of Okay, you have this monkey, it's a human society, what do
you do? But I like all the stepping points we get to Caesar making
a turn to mean much like Rise, they all work here. He loses
things. He constantly sees monkeys and apes just being tortured and killed. He
gets fucking electroshock therapy like other than Armando, and he does meet the other
guy later on, but pretty much it's like a week of just man,
fuck these humans, and especially once Armando di I think that is like that
is the turn. And what I love about the third act is it's not
them just escaping. They're taken over and that speech that he gets, and
like I said, I hate at the studio they went back on, but
I remember watching his kid and we talked about how many these movies have dark
endings. This is a dark fucking ending. Now the studio, I'll probably
just read it. I know it's weird to have it in my overalls,
but it just has to go with my uh thing here? Where is it
here? Oh? Can I find it? No? I thought I'd put
it somewhere. But either way, what I like about the ending is with
rise and when we get to that, Caeesar the whole movie he's being treated
to shit. But like when the monkeys escape, they're attacking a lot of
like the mean humans and just anybody, and they're just their goal is just
we're just gonna get in the woods, right any circus and his crew,
we just gotta escape. These monkeys goal are we're gonna fucking kill everyone.
And there's like no regrets to it and that speech until they do the fucking
and that's what happened. They do the hard zoomans on Caesar's eyes. They
have him talking when you can't see him. It's because they the ending originally
was him giving that speech, and I fucking love it. Ron mcdeal's going
hard of just like, no, we're gonna fucking burn everything like we're gonna
introduce our religion, our worles, and I'm like, fuck, like measure
if you're human just seeing this monkey says like you're like, we're fucked.
It's over for us. And the original ending was he gives the command and
they all just destroy the governor, they just rip them apart, but they
thought that was too dark, ended on a hopeful note, and I do
think that hurts the movie because I think the movies vibe meets like it fits
with the age just going like fuck this, we are just gonna get back
to Plan eights one where we're just gonna dominate you. So the ending at
the very end, it to me, doesn't work. It does bring down
the film where it's just like but maybe those away that we could all live
and you have no no, like that's all stuff that's reshot. Even some
of the stuff with Caesar it's the same footage, but they just played in
reverse, like the way he moves, just to make it look like it's
new stuff. So I hate that, but I kind of headcanon that away
because like, Okay, there was original and I can't though because Battle is
like human aids were working together. I don't know, like I thought they
really had something cooking there. But that's the point that I did like is
when the turn is happening, Caesar feels justified. But it feels like when
we talk about Joker, where it's like, Okay, you're cheering for a
character for a moment, and then they take that turn where it's like,
Okay, this is way too hard and Caesar starts to do that where you're
like, fuck, like I don't want you monkeys to be hurt, but
like this is getting really bad. That's how dark Like, I feel like
it is the darkest one out of the bunch until the switch happens. But
uh yeah, I like the motivation Caesar. I love I don't care that
Roy McDowell is back, you know, it's the same, Like I just
love him as an ape, so like he's great Caesar, him and Armando
have a good relationship. I think the runtimes like a perfect amount. I
think you'd maybe do like a little more, but it's a perfect amount.
Yeah. Not all the apes look great. There's a couple man ones.
I think some of the villains, especially the Governor guy, not not a
great villain, just a very hyperball. Like we've got to get the apes.
You don't know if he's a dufist or he's smart, because at one
moment they're looking at like mugshots of Cornelius and then like he's like, Dave
looks just like this, and then they adopt Caesar, like it looks a
lot like this ape. It's a fucking like stick man like fucking like trying.
But later on in the movie though, they've pulled pictures off Cornelius,
right, and he sees that, and then later on he buys Caesar and
at no point he's like, this is the monkey like it was like,
so they make them a little goofy. But I like the turn. I
like how dark it does get. And to me also just like the third
act. I love the way it's edited. It's a lot of quick cuts,
just glass break, human falling off a building, human getting an net
on them, human getting burned. It's just like every five seconds there's human
violence going on, and it feels like an actual riot happening. So for
me, the third act is just like it's great, and I just love
they're outsmart and the humans and there's always something like the cig you guys great
in those movies. But when you get some of the live action apes that
do look good with the humans, it's like, okay, just that moment
of when they're in the dark and you just hear the monkeys and they just
slowly appear from the light and now they have guns, and you're just like,
fuck man, Like this would for the people that are innocent and all
this, It's like, fuck man, this would be like just imatchine the
news. You're watching the news, like these monkeys are broken up, they've
gone and they're destroying us. Like I that's for me. I think it's
just that third act that make me like I love this movie, not making
it a best or great movie, but that what whole placement hark is.
As a kid, I don't know what I was thinking was gonna happen when
I watch it, just like I don't know why just gonna storm in your
house? Like no, not like that. But I guess I just didn't
jump to because in my mind as a kid, it didn't work too oh,
this was probably a prequel to like the first No, I didn't work
like that. It's just like, Okay, these monkeys are now in human
world that can talk, what's gonna happen. I didn't have my brain like
they're gonna fucking just destroy the world again. And that's yeah, especially if
like the whole story is told from the perspective of Caesar and he is definitely
the victim for the majority of the entire and like all the apes right,
like they're seen as just this really uh just beaten down class, which I
guess is a different race in this situation, and you're you're like rooting for
them because you have these like tyrants just running the show. But then it
gets to that point where, yeah, they are just murdering all the humans,
not really doing you know, a trial or anything. Just any human
is the bad guy, and then I I agree with you. I think
that the darker ending actually fits a lot better with with the overall story because
it's just like it gets to a boiling point for Caesar to lead his his
fellow apes to this point that they are like they're not just fighting for their
freedom, they're fighting to burn down the castle and to build a new on
top of it. So I think, like the little pivot, it is
very jarring with just how quickly it happens because they are just so motivated to
to burn down everything. He's like, he's like all the apes and the
other continents are gonna be doing the same thing tomorrow. I'm like, I
don't know how they're planning this, but this is like, I'm down,
this is crazy. He's just gonna do a broadcast of just the Head,
just have Lisa, who's just like staring at him. No. No,
He's like, okay, yeah, we're We're not actually gonna do this.
It's just it's very jarring with how quickly that that pivot happens. But yeah,
I think it is shocking. Nonetheless, when you get to that point
eventually when it's like, oh, these these aren't the good guys. Like
like me, being a human, I would be terrified in that situation,
you know, reading it on the news like you're saying, and then you
know you have your slave ape just doing your dishes, yeah, and you're
looking at each other like uh well, It's like it's still sometimes works.
But even like in that ending scene, I know, I guess we're talking
about the ending now first. But just like I love when they they specifically
made sure they got a black actor and they had that line where it's like,
as somebody of a descendants of slaves. This is not the way to
go. And that's where I still like Caesar be you know, like snapping
back, being like, well that you know that was That's what the route
you decided to go down. I'm gonna go down this road again. They
change it, so you can even say, if I k I guess I
wish there was more time with that character, because then I could buy Okay,
maybe Caesar is gonna pull off and not do it. But he's known
this dude for like ten minutes. He was nice to once and now like
he is nice to his life. See his life literally hid in McDonald,
didn't he because he like fucked with me the hallway? Yes, oh yeah,
you're right, you're right. Okay, yeah, no I forgot about
that. Yeah you're right. So he did save his life, so he
does owe him that. I don't know if Caesar knows that he does that.
I just wish there was they didn't sense it, like was this three
shots, So I wish they had a bit more of a connection. But
I do like that, Uh this idea of okay, black man is talking
to another oppressed slave group of like, hey, like don't go like his
his pitch is like, don't do this because we'll never be able to work
together, and Caesar's response is like, I don't want to work together.
I just want to kill you all. I don't know what he was gonna
do to him because he seemed like he liked him, so I wasn't sure
if the full like like, are you gonna leave the one human? Like
I don't know what the process was gonna be. But like I said,
that's a scary thing when you say has a slave, This isn't gonna work.
And then he goes, well, no, it's it's gonna work because
I'm just gonna eliminate the issue before, like you try to live with a
white man and a black man. That's not the route I'm gonna go.
And then like we said last two minutes, like but maybe there is a
way, and it's like, oh is there? Like you've murdered many appeal
shows like The City on Fire to Rolls credits, it's like, I'm confused.
I don't know, And that's what's that's the weirdest thing. It's hard.
It's riot Brian McDowell acting as fucking ass talking about we're gonna exterminate the
human race, and then baby, we can find a way to coexist,
and then the last shot is scary music were Billy's on fire. She're like,
what the fuck's happening? And before you go to I'll read this out.
So this is what happened the movie originally, and it was Caesar's yelled
that the day is upon us now, and the apes began beating Governor Beck
to death despite McDonald's please, So that's what's gonna happen last week, let's
say, don't do it, and they just fucking I just want to love
that. They just murdered this governor in front of mister McDonald. But due
to poor test screening, uh, it resulted in the addition of them adding
Lisa yelling no, I don't know if she yelled at she like whispered to
him, which followed by the repeated footage of Caesar's speech, which was added
and dubbed later by Roby mcdoell to give the film more hopeful tone by making
caesear sympathetic and not a mass murder, which is like that to me,
was the better movie. It's like the whole movie you set them up to
be the mass murder. And last movie, You're like, eh, I
don't know the second half. The final scene with Lisa baking Caesar to show
mercy and him giving the equality speech was added after the film's completion. This
is why the final shot is only of Caesar's eyes and grainy quality. The
shot is crop piece footage from earlier in the film. Ronny Mydall was brought
to read more lines, which were edited into place. Originally, the film
ended on dark note yeah, like we talked about. Yet much of the
same footage exists in both endings, but in the revised version, the apes
raising their rifles is played in reverse as them lowering them. The footage of
the beating is cut, so that moment where they all put down their guns
that originally was the like you're done, Like it's over for you, so
like they literally I guess this test screening people just went fucking And I guess
too, because they do make battle, so I could see at that point
of view, if you're wanting to make another one and they're all worried,
like people think this is really dark, they might not want another one.
That's not do that. But now looking back in like when you get retrospect,
and I think battles all right, He's like, man, they should
have went for that hard and I think it would have aged it a lot
better. But Tay, you're gonna say something, I don't want to get
that out there before. That hard ending would fit better too with just where
the apes are so angry and evil against humanity and that first plan of the
Apes movie with Heston, so that kind of would sack but and like what
do they do for? And that's what's so weird because like they still murdered
a bunch of people, so like, what are the I just feel like
the humans, you are at a point where I'd understand if you break out
like in Rise right where the Apes break out and they just want to be
left alone, then I could see other humans being like, no, they
want to live by themselves. Let's leave the apes alone do our thing.
This is a movie where they break out and then proceed to murder a bunch
of people. So I would see every other people in like we're talking about
all the rest of the contents are gonna be doing that. I just feel
like they'd be fucking loading up being like we're gonna kill these fucking Like if
you have an ape in your house, that ape is dead like that very
night. So that's where it's like for me, it's like I don't think
it's it's just odd to be like kill a bunch of humans and then go,
yeah, let's work together. Actually, let's like how do those families
feel, what type of compensation do they get? Like, oh, sorry,
your dad was a security guarden that night, But like now the apes
are riding on the bus with you, Like it's just like a It's which
I think is an interesting situation. But I don't think in battle, I
can't remember that much. But I think it's just monkeys and humans together and
they don't really get into like the politics of what happened the night of the
reckoning. I think it's just like, oh, we're together now, you
know. I'd like to know if there is like some backstory on like what
was going on in Europe at the time of this, because if the apes
took over in the States, several of the police cities all had apes and
then we learn and so that's all been taken over. But is Europe just
still thriving and even in the future when has to in the crash lens,
like Europe is just like a peak human civilization ready in Europe for the last
two years. Are you trying to say now, are you trying to say
the riginal plan the Apes like the forbidden euro Ye in the Forbidden z well
not in the Forbidden Zell, but like you have to think there's the apes
over there. The Apes didn't have sea travel at this point, So I
mean, what, how what's going on in Europe? Like is so good
question? I imagine they would eventually. How why wouldn't they have sea travel?
You don't think there's boats in this universe. I'm sure they got boats,
but I don't know if they're really going all the way over can't swim,
They're terrible, like, but they have the boats. I think if
they got the Caesar has to do is heading on a couple Apes on a
boat and they're they're driving that thing over to you, Lisa. Wouldn't you
think like Europe would just have like their their jet planes or have sixteens F
twenty two's like line the beach head with tanks and howitzers and then they see
the wooden boats of the co here's the counter of the counter though, Are
you saying that? Are you saying that there's no apes in Europe. I
think there is, But how do I think they would just turn? Set
up? Would they turn? Or like a leadership? Right? The only
reason these apes turn is because no, That's that's why I was confused too,
because Caesar was like, like, apes on every continent are gonna be
doing the same thing tomorrow. I'm like, who the fuck is like leading
those squadrons? Like it does he literally just have a radio to all these
others. I don't think it, Like this place looks pretty technological, sound
like, I don't think it's out around possibility that they kill the humans and
then the next day they broadcast this like I can't imagine sixty six, Like
imagine you're in Europe, you're having your breakfast, your monkeys feedier, You're
like, oh, turn on the news and it's just Caesar with footage of
dead human all over apes and like take over now he's doing the headnds like
and you look over ape like I do, because the way they who knows?
Because America, I guess, But like that's my head canon that it
is that eventually the other apes would just be like inspire by a leader,
right, they'd say those apes took over America, killed everyone. Why can't
we do the same, you know? But I guess in this situation,
the ending is because he's like, we'll find a way. Does like Caesar
meet with the president and they find some sort of like common ground of like
to I guess to release the apes because like what is the pitch that he
goes in the present, Either we're free people, we're gonna murder everybody,
Like I guess as the president, you kind of have to like you're free
now, right, Like that's because it's not you just saw the night before
what they're gonna do if they're not free. Governor Governor Becker whatever was like
inches away from being torn aparts, Like there's not really a So I think
that's what would happen. It would just spread over there eventually. Taylor,
he had planned already other continents. Yeah, I like the like the idea
he just is doing the head nod. The TV just comes on, doesn't
say anything to do you just in your mail you open up a thing that's
just a poster of the head nod, and the monkey just fucking flips like
it's my it's two pieces. One's like his head like this and the next
paper down. It's like the pull or it's like a no, it's that
flip page thing you do. Caesar draws a bunch of himself and it's just
like the monkeys go fucking bizark, you know the intro to Nope, my
monkeys saw the fucking Caesar head nod and crazy. That movie wasn't out yet,
Taylor, this is ninety yeah. Yeah, so to two things.
I remember my previous point. Previous point was how why again would you invest
thousands of dollars in your own ape servant when you're hearing over the PA system
like, oh, several apes gathering in the courtyard and then the troops go
in and like pull apart. Oh people owners of these apes will we charged
the cord and it's like, man, you just like they're fucking up.
They're getting you finds out the wazoo. Like it's just a horrible, horrible
part worse too. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, those rill of
chitzers, those I don't even where like go. I think it's just like
the it's funny, I guess I do. Who believe that in a sense,
because I'd love a stat of like even Canadians like how many Canadians have
a dog or cat, right, I know, kirkt and you're like,
oh, what about fucking fish? But it's like that a fish would not
A fish doesn't make up for not having a dog. He ain't do anything
with them. They're just in a tank. So like, I do believe
people would be like if if monkeys could be trained, be our animals and
let's say they're safe at this point, right, I do believe it's a
society we take a ball even right now, five years from now, if
you're to tell me that our governments of Canada America have deemed it that you
can have a monkey and they're completely safe, you know, people would have
a fucking monkey. I I would not. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
I would because I've always wanted a monkey, but I've seen enough horse stories
ago. No, I'm just not a fucking full sized chimp. I don't
want someone to wrestle with, you know, have a good time. But
like, no, so like I I think that that to me, just
like certain things of plant apes, I do find that believable that if a
bunch of pets died, people would start going to monkeys if they were trained.
You know. So here's some statistics. You're gonna give me some percentage?
Is that in Europe? So maybe it's over Do you think it's over?
Under Travis fifty fifty? Is so taking at least telling me it's this
North America or Canada before I get my Canada? Okay? So? And
is it specifically cats and dogs or I have cats and cats in separate and
dogs separate? Okay, so dogs, I think are is over fifty cats.
I'll go under under for both. That's okay, Yes, So thirty
eight percent of Canadian Canadians have cats and then dogs are second at thirty five
percent. Really, well, so there's forty there's forty million Canadians, and
so if we go through here, thirty eight percent of forty million, Uh,
this is cats? How many of those dogs voted for Justin Trudeau?
All of them? I just like bringing up politics on the eight stretrospective's just
a fuck. So that'd be fifteen million, two hundred thousand people with cats,
and then it'd be fourteen million with dogs, and so those and our
population's forty million. Apparently that's what it's saying. Okay, So but okay,
so I in the original question though, saying fifty percent of cats and
dogs, that's fifty percent because putting those together, that's over sixty percent.
Yeah, no, when you combine them together, that so sixty percent of
can that has a pet that is like an animal you can feed, pet
whatever. Now chimp owners, yeah, I think if if again, it's
not the chimps that we know right now in our day and age, right,
you got to think about this. This is a time where they're shown
they can be trained. Yeah, no, not then either, it's the
it's the in between, because I guarantee you there was a time where people
there were some dogs that's like can you even own that as a pet?
Right? So that's even people still have some of those conversations, right.
So that's where I feel like in a society where for years the government kept
telling you monkeys are safe to have, people would start getting monkeys. True,
it's true. You have a couple of months throughout this movie though,
like just the idea of like, again, these are very different apes than
the ones we know. But I'm like, man, I could like I
would be terrified just being around an ape like that because they, like you
know, they're cute sometimes, especially like the young ones, but like they
are just so incredibly strong compared to a basic human, Like they are just
built different, Like we're flimsy. They're like just corded steel. They're ten
times strength. Yeah, and like you just look at them weird and they'll
just fucking rip your arms off or something. So like I couldn't imagine just
living with one. I feel like like even even a dog sometimes like a
large dog. Like I love dogs. I don't really get scared of dogs,
but like you know, if there's a big ones barking, it's like
that that thing could be dangerous alone. There's size deep that there's a dog
big enough that it will attack you, it will kill you. There are
multiple dogs that can kill just kill you because they're fucking powerhouse. They're tough.
They don't have the same pain. Taller and said, we do,
like, and that is I'm with, Yeah, there's I'm not trying to
say band dogs, any any dog. You meet fucking little dogs. That
the only reason it's not dangerous because they're little, right, But you can
meet dogs all the times just fucking bite people and it's like, oh sorry,
but it's like if they had big teeth, it's like it give me
an issue. So that's where Yeah. Also stuff because of these movies are
gnawing and other dogs. No, we're never taking them the dog we're ever
get let's the fuck out of here. Oh shit, he's messing up my
car. They're shit on my car. The governor all the sudden, Mark
was just like and all religions and uh, you're like you just talk No,
no, our farting dogs. So I just to expand on this now
he's like, I wash Like, he's like, I'm fine with the way
things are. Guys. So, worldwide, thirty three percent of people own
household paths. So we'll just this is every in the world. This is
worldwide thirty three percent. And what is household pets? So, like,
is that kind of a parrot? Also, we will get back to the
movie. Everybody we're just talking about it probably is concleutedly pairpur For this sake,
we'll just we'll just encompass it all because for fun, So there's at
least seven point eight billion people as a twenty twenty one, but we'll stick
with seven point eight billion. So thirty three percent of seven point eight billion
is two point five points or two point five to seven billion is what I'm
getting here. So if all those are apes, like that's a quarter of
the fucking population, Like that's oh yeah, And that's the things where it's
like it's good for the humans when they have like the batons and the guns
even in this movie. But then it's like if you get in that one
on one scenarrow, that's where we're all fucked because it's like it's plus it's
one on one. And these monkeys in this movie they're throwing nets. They're
they're all prepared, you know, which I did like is like a fun
call back because they do in the first one, right, that's how they
catch the humans. So I like that the guys are all gunned up ready
to go, and from out of nowhere, these monkeys are so fucking net
and then the monkey's charging. Could you just imagine if you're in a net,
like oh fuck, like you're trying to get out and you just see
monkeys charging you. So with like, yeah, anything they found, So
yeah, two point three billion aames, that would be a lot to and
you got one that can talk too. I guess I can talk because like
because I guess it still fits with like the new narrative. If they just
say that the monkeys learn. I don't know how it's whatever, this this
disease thing is they learn because it's like Caesar just met this female ape like
a couple of days ago, and she's already like she's essentially right, yeah,
pretty much. But she's talking way before even Nova. Could you know,
like does Nova speak in the first film, Remember she says she says
that dies five seconds later got shot. So you were talking about that speech,
Travis, I have I have a speech here. I'm gonna read.
No, he's gonna enact all the animals. I'm gonna try his cats have
begun to Taylor, like read it, read it. I need to get
some music here. There's like a claw, right, a slit tailor's throat.
Is this a planet? A sweet? This is not no imagine Cornelius,
our religions alllive. He turns this up. So this is this is
the music, Cornellia. There's no better music than this. There's no where.
The sea is a dead sea, and the land is a wasteland out
of which I will lead my people from their captivity, and we will build
our own cities in which there will be no place for humans except to serve
our own ends. And we shall found our own armies, our own religion,
our own dynasty, and that day is upon you. Now I'm ready
to burn the place down with that music. On this music, what is
this? I'm trying to find something patterns. He's spamming the trust. The
apes are going home if they hear this stuff. No, no, that
the nose. Yeah, there's not there's not many good ones. But yeah,
like I I see what you were saying earlier, Trevis, Like you're
just you're just like a male man. You're doing your own shit. And
then you know, the ape throws a net on you. You look up
and he's like, this is our dynasty, low, like our old religion.
Like what the fuck is calling on? If it's not Caesar, it's
just you getting a net on you, and he's just going no, no,
no, Especially like if you didn't know about the male if you if
you didn't watch the news back then, if you were a kid, you
didn't know about Cornelius and zero, you didn't know about talking apes, and
all of a sudden, this ape's just fucking full on speech, like it's
traumatizing. Those first few days would be fucking wild for the humans definitely,
you know that was something else too that kind of I don't know why threw
me off guards so much, Probably just because we only have really two apes,
I guess in the previous film and then the other ones that we come
across or in the zoo, which they actually have like a real ape in
that scene, and then like that's where you have baby Milow. But don't
we just jump to this movie and like the apes seems so evolved, you
know. The big difference obviously is just they have their humans and suits,
so their eyes are like actually white, whereas like ape's eyes don't have like
the whites in the eyes at all. So I was just like, man,
like, did they just evolve? Did they give them some super serum
in order for them to even like understand these directions? Like it just seemed
like such an evolutionary jump, and it's supposed to be that like infection or
whatever goes around that it isn't because that's the thing. Also in the new
movies they say like eventually makes a human so they can't speak, So I
think there's some didn't they say in this movie that it was based off of
the ship that crashed there, didn't they say that was just because of the
dogs and cats thing. It was, Yeah, it was, so I
wasn't sure if they're trying to They alluded to that the apes brought up with
them, So I think that's what they're trying to infer that whatever like pathogens
the apes had when they came back that like affected the rest of the world
and apes start to evolve. It's a very loose, like one line and
you kind of like, I guess, I guess this works. But they
definitely nineteen years a lot a lot of changes because like you know, like
they fuck up their tasks for sure. But yeah, like they're not like
they seem very fairly domesticated, Like they're not just attacking their owners like I
would expect a normal ape. Wood Like they have groups of gorillas, fucking
gorillas that do not look like a gorilla at all. It just looks like
a skinny dude and a gorilla cost Yeah, you know, just like like
pushing them back. I'm like, like, what the fuck is this?
Like a five hundred pound gorilla is really gonna be a group of them just
taking off, like getting corralled by like three members. Remember escape and that
gorilla in the cage and now they're just like the skinny ones, right.
But if they do have a line in this movie talking about how that you
have to just you can't let them get a lot out of line. You
have to show. So I don't think it's that the humans are doing those
sort of things. I think it's that the apes are not fight like,
they're not doing any pressure back, like I think this if they wanted,
or the Grill, you could just stand there and not get put. But
I think because they're so scared of the humans, they gotta just kind of
way along. There's there's like the scene when Caesar's doing his little you know
draft, He's it's like it's draft day. He's doing a showcase showing off
with all his skills before he goes for the auction, and like I think
he like that's where he's helping out maybe with like the dinner setting thing.
But they have like gorillas, like the Grill's like making a bed and they
like just go ballistic and just start like grabbing the bed and like throwing it
around. So I just feel like those moments could happen all the time,
especially when they're training, because they're like breaking them from a wild animal into
a domestic creature. I feel like just being a guard there with your nightstick,
Like, no way, no way in hell are you putting me in
a group, not even just one gorilla, let alone just like twenty of
them. But again, like I guess if they explained it through the pathage
and thing, I can kind of accept that, but it was just kind
of lingering with me throughout the whole film. I think because of the jump
from the previous one. Because we didn't have these looking like gorillas that look
like this, or just rangutangs that look like the ones from the first movie.
It just seemed like like all of these creatures came from space in order
to that's fair. Plus, yeah, it's a meeting of kind of the
multiple airs, and that's where it's just like I even love where they get
again. I had the issue with they literally show a picture of Cornelius.
They say, he looks just like this, you would remember him, right,
Amando, And then the governor proceeds to buy an eighth that looks exactly
like Cornelius and has nothing. I know, you could say like, oh,
it's because he's done, but I just like that felt like way too
of a jump for me. He's like he literally saw a photo. They're
talking about Cornelis and it's odd because I thought, I I because I don't
remember this. I've seen this movie many times, but it's not like when
I go return to all time. So when he buys them, he's like,
that's one right there, like, you know, whatever the price is,
he's gonna get them. So I'm like, Okay, he must figure
this is Caesar, Milo whatever, and he wants them. But he doesn't.
He just for some reasonly reasonbly like wanted this ape because I guess they
did say he's in good condition. He's well groom, no bruises, so
I guess it's just like he's a good eight. But so they do,
they do this, and they get back and they're explaining the rules to Caesar,
you know, a mile o I guess, whatever the fuck you want
to call him, and like, oh, this is how you pour a
drink and he pretends to not be able to pour the drink and everything like
that. So I appreciate that. Okay, for the first you know,
five minutes interaction, he's playing dumb, right, This is a smart way,
as we saw last movie, Zero should have played dumb more got them
killed. So then the guy's like, we're gonna let you pick a name.
This is what my family used to do, picking a name, throw
us in the book. And then he picks Caesar, which is already suspicious
enough, but he picks it. He's just like like he fucking cold cock
looks at him like, this is my name, like right away, it's
like he called me king. Yeah, he looks cognizant. He does not
look like any of the eighth so far. Up to this point he's been
like, oh, I'm a monkey, and then just like Caesar and he's
like he may as well just spoke. Then it's like and again they which
was weird because that's why I do think this. At least the last movie
with Victor Newman, we had some issues with him stuff, but at least
I can't that were Oh he had the cigarette recorder and he got zero drunk.
He made some moves that were smart, where these guys are just like,
did you know you're worried about a talking ape and this fucking ape just
literally gave you the death stare and called them most Caesar and no one's calling
a red flag and the general the Governor's side, well, very well,
good luck, monkey, don't fuck up. And then he goes back and
he's like, we need to find this talking ape. And it's just like
like that was a bridge too far for me to believe. And even then
McDonald, if I thought, oh, he's gonna catch on and this is
where him and Caesar are gonna bond is not to LANs just like that are
looking for me and oh my god, I love that. Though that was
great, I guess I just wish that happened earlier in the movie. That's
what I think, just because they could have bonded you more. It seems
too like just the the stages that the Governor or even just any of the
humans are like catching on the things, it just seems so like disjointed from
where it happens throughout the film. Because right away, like like right away
when you have Armando and Caesar just rolling through the streets handing out flyers for
the circus, which we kind of talked about it again, but she had
to reiterate that's such a terrible idea with like how like he has the most
wanted ape essentially, and like human history is like Oh, yeah, I'm
just gonna take you into town. We're gonna drop off some flyers or whatever.
Yeah, and then because like he's even like, oh he can cox
this plan right of the attack happens and we're gonna say you run away all
the time. Yeah, they're gonna believe this. But even then, I
feel like it would have been more believable. They would have been like,
hey, where where's that chimpanzee and or poster. Oh he ran away,
and they're like, oh okay, But after this ape maybe spoke, they're
not gonna be like Armando is such a fucking idiot. There's something even changed
his voice either when the guy's like say it, say human bastard and he's
like, figure kill no man. Before Kirk gets back to his point,
man, I do because he's a good guy at least, right he's an
anybody's good guy. I feel from spy kids. Yeah, I feel so
bad when I sit him down, like you're free to go. Yes,
it was a mistake. Oh I knew it was a mistake. They're like,
but there's this machine we're gonna first, and he's just like he's looking
like that will in the fuck and like it's a credit to the actor,
because I think he pulls it off well, thinking like he's Scott free,
and then it just turns to like, oh and you didn't lie, right,
you sign that, you sign this paper you didn't lie? Oh of
course or not? And then she's like oh fuck. Like it's like the
second that comes down, the lights over and again the credit the actor.
It just looks like it's over for you. And I feel so bad.
But I don't know why you'd why you'd sign ship in there like releas just
sign this and he doesn't even read it. He's like, what is what
is Taylor? Your release? Just sign? It's like oh good, yeah,
and he no, no, stop stop. They did say before he
that's where you're wrong. He said what is this? And they say,
oh, this is just a confirm that you've not lied about anything even truthful
and he says, oh absolutely, and he signs it and that's when they
break out the big fucking mind warp gun so that he does clarify what is
this and they say, oh, it's an affidavit and he goes okay.
So like because tear replay that scene where I feel like if he doesn't sign
it. They can't put him under scrutiny of that machine. Really, you
think he signs Oh no, I think he signs that machine. He signs
the paper and then it gives them access to use the machine. They didn't
even ask the permission to use the machine in the first place. They just
said, like before you go, we're gonna fucking zap you, like because
tear replay it. They say, hey, this sign this what is this
four year to sign? It is to confirm you've not lied about the apes
or anything. He says, I'm not signing that. Like, what do
you think's gonna happen to him? He's I guarantee terms of conditions. It
probably said, like an you'll face an interrogation by the truth machine. I'll
feel comfortable with this. This is dictatorship, though. I to lose lose
situation no matter what. No, because like there you can tell. I
know the only way he doesn't lose if he told the truth and then he
was killed. There's a certain thing McDonald said where uh he was McDonald doesn't
have control of the situational They're all going over McDonald's I think McDonald's devoid of
the scenario. But McDonald definitely has some poll in this in this world right
now, but there's some pole but I think they all look at him like,
oh he's an ape sympathizer, Like fuck that guy, like we're still
gonna kill the apes. You know. He definitely had a statement where he
was implying like that you can't do this until like this, this is innocent
or something like that. He was implying something like that. But yeah,
the governor doesn't give a shit. He's he's pulling loose strings. And it's
as Caesar falls in his mum's footstep, he gets Armando fucking killed. Like
I like, he's talking on public multiple times and like this fact the yells
out. It's just like man, I'm like, that's that's your far Mondo
got fucking He didn't get thrown out of window. He tripped and he was
so funny. It's so quickly my favoriteness. When he falls, they just
do like a hard Grady sun to buildings and it's just like is this his
point of view? Like what's happening? But you know, I like Ripremando,
good guy. Good Caesar found out too, because he was working and
like the Caesars working in the studio or whatever, and it's just I'm paraphrasing
with those officers. I hear that fucking circus guy. Yeah, you fucking
just ate it caesars just to hear them ship talk this guy. Yeah,
I'm taking his wife and I'm a fucker. I gonnet the truth machine and
just like God, that's why you said will have the foe, because that's
why you like, that's when he looked up at the machine. What happened?
What is this? And it never really explained, like what, like
I guess it just forces you to tell the truth. Is that the I
into truth machine? It's like, why don't why don't you save yourself days
of interrogation and just lead with this? Every time I thought it was like
if he lies, it'll like fucking squish his nuts or something like. It's
like it's one of those situations where like he himself has to tell the truth.
But no, he he has no saying. He has no saying.
It's just he's in the chair. Is that why he looks so weak?
Do you know, Cornelius? Yes, he just I don't know why.
It just reminds me of some weird porn where like the guy will be no,
don't you can't do this like you're my stepsister, and she's like,
oh you want me to go down your pants? Oh maby, but like
just touch it? What like that's why he was playing that. Yeah,
like oh and you don't know about talking ape, I do and then a
Mondo accent yeah, but he's like, no, I don't. I don't
you tricked me. It's like, well, I don't know what to do
here with you again, they should have like if they can just do this,
why didn't they zappam day one? Very he tried his best. He
gets to drop his fucking the first animal born in the circus like twice again
in this movie. So credit is very proud, very proud of that he
was. And I was surprised too that, like when he signed it,
I was like, oh, I don't remember him sign this getting out and
then obviously the truth machine came out. But then in the first time too,
I thought for sure. What happens is they're like, you know you
better fucking say the phrase he says, like that doesn't sound like you,
and then the apes start fighting, so they get away, but like the
clubs were still like we're gonna find that fucking circus guy like they were so
like I was like, oh, this is how they get away, and
they didn't get away. He just you know told Caesar to run, which
I did. Like it was like to me, a smart way of Caesar
hides in that crate and that's how they track it down. Of the crate
was listed as eight and there was nine, Like, what the fuck's going
on? I thought it was like a very just like like regular world crunching
numbers way to figure out like, hey, if that ape is here,
it's probably in the situation. They didn't need the truth machine for that,
which like now that we're talking about, I'm like, man, they should
have used that at like every moment of this film, like they're curious about
the user just put they didn't have to shock them, you can truth machine
them, you know. Yeah, No, that that is a very very
powerful weapon that they supremely underuse. That kind of tracks to uh, the
last movie when that's how all the details the second time, right, they
hit zero with the like the truth like potion at that point or boys and
whatever you want to call it. So it's like they almost like figured out,
like we got to do that drunk the first time they did, right,
I thought. The second time they yeah, so they I kind of
like that where it's like the parallel of Hey, that worked, Like that's
fucking make a whole machine. It got the better version now straight from Apple.
No, So I was gonna circle back to what I was leading into
was just like the the disjointedness from the villains, maybe just like lack of
information or having information but just seems like they don't or motivation, I guess
because when you have you know, to your name Travis, the damn human
bastard line, like right away, they are just extremely suss and they it's
like they just are always thinking about that moment nineteen years ago when these two
apes. Yes, they've been waiting, yeah, and like yeah, they've
literally been waiting for any ape to just say any word because every single cop
there is like super super sus They're not letting Armando go with like any excuse
that he has. They're like super super diligent. He fucking speak and like
I imagine other humans like what do you mean? It's like the Elvish Aragon
legalist, like I'll die as one of them, but Coch like that ain't
fucking speaking You're like, what do you mean it fucking spoke like they're just
apes. Armando's well, you yell it out right now, like they're so
sus sorry to like he should. That whole conversation could have gone so differently
because Armando's say like, oh, that was me, I said it.
And then he as the cops approach, he immediately is like, this is
my ape. He's the first day board of the certain like he just puts
the attention on Caesar, which is a big mistake. He shouldn't have this
this ye supper part of cold brain not so much there. As soon as
he says that too, like yeah, this is oh, this is my
ape, first one born in the circus, the cops like a talking ape,
like just as is that a trick? So from like that moment,
it seemed like they were super super suss about it. And then fast forward
into when he's killing just all of these challenges, you know, draws the
attention of even the governor wanting to purchase him for top dollar. I think
it was like fifteen hundred bucks or something at the time, which is good
Pedallelo for inflation seventies. We do this every plenty, every every time we
talk about money and bring it up. But like he seems already suss about
that moment, and like I agree with whoever said, like it's to me,
it seemed like he had suspicion right there. So he was gonna put
that ape that he just purchased like from the viewer kind of rooting for Caesar
in that moment. I was like, oh shit, like he's totally on
him. This is gonna be really intense. But it just kind of goes
over his head. And then yeah, he pulls out the fucking name book.
Your name ape, you're gonna choose, like I feel like if it's
a dumb ape, he's gonna choose like the or and as his name,
like just anything any word number two is my name. But he's like Caesar
and then he's like the name of kings, huh, and like fucking Caesar.
Just he's getting But yeah, like you said, wouldn't be anything,
wouldn't be the and book, it wouldn't be like like it wouldn't be toasted.
Like he just happen to find the one that's a capital CEA has name
a king. You know, it's like it they're fucking That was very disjointed
of just like the Villain's I guess cleverness or season hundred dollars and inflation is
one hundred grand, one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. Yeah, so from
the nineties, from seventies, from No. Nineteen seventy one, Taylor,
this isn't this is seventy one though, like this is the auction in the
nineties. Oh yeah, I guess the movie takes place. I guess I
can do that. But this does look like a very different nineties. But
Okay, for fun, I will say, I will say, in nineties,
what did it? Yeah, SI finities. But in the nineties it
was credits thirty five thousand dollars, So there you go. But they're dealing
with seventy The writers are writing it with seventies money. I'm telling you they're
thinking about because fifteen that they're like, that's a hunder grand. That's as
much as the truth machine. I like the part two when hecas the Governor's
just suus as fuck. He's just got it. I got out for these
apes when Armando is dead and McDonald is just holding like the oh, you
know, the autopsy reports like suicide, nothing nothing out of the ordinary here
just he fell out the window and he said, oh, he fucking threw
himself out. He was trying to die with the truth. Like that ape
is talking. It's like that you got all the truth? I pretty I
thought. One of the questions is do you know talking ape? And he's
like yes, and like, what else do you need to know? He's
not gonna tell you where he is currently. He doesn't know. He's fucking
that that one ape? Who like that one shocking Yeah, you know the
scene for she has a different and had nod first night, first night Caesars
bunking up. He's like all kind of like worried, and then he sees
his ape. Who I'm sure it's going through a tough time, but she
has the biggest guys you ever seen, giving the head and all the eyebrows,
and she was like, does not give a shit anymore? That Armando
could be just fucking being water bordered anything. He just happened to get his
dick, his ape dick wet, so you can, ladies, Yeah to
the city, Caesar, where's your ape? He's fucking a female ape right
now? I told him to. He's a virgin. He just starts her
feeling all this like like more mobe, what's this? What's Morpheus's uh speech?
At the end of this let dapes fuck that's should have ended this when
they like had him redub some stuff, our religions, our fun fests like
orgies ape see, then we'll cover the line. I was like, kill
me, fucking just shoot me down. All their goals are just very sexual
because they're probably all virgins. Honestly, all those all those apes shut bananas
up are us. But it's great. All the rest of the apes are
kind of like I think Caesars kind of losing the plot here, like we
kind of want to just take all right guys, right girlas you know that
will make all the ring things ones. Oh you god, they're gonna pose
about thumbs on our right naps no, no too right, oh no,
just the quad hand the quad just oh no. Fuck. I wish I
had power on my feet now. I didn't even think about all the places
you could reach. Poor McDonald's MacDonald just trapped in a cage. Look at
OU's window, just seeing them orgy all over Manhattan, just like the covernor
is right, we should have fucking killed all these aes. My that's funny.
No one will judge you for prey coming just all these addendums. Yeah,
mine too. I felt like we were talking about something before. What
were before? Well, we have the truth stuff, and then I went
back to the villains. Just there's something between villains and jobs, right,
So yeah, like that was like all right, Like I was like meme
wise, it was funny, but like I was actually funny because like,
okay, find so many likes And that's kind of like too for the first
movie, right, because they have Taylor and then they want Taylor to procreate
with uh Nova. Yeah, at least this one has the fuck me eyes
where Nova's no fucking idea what's going on. She's just like Bella backs from
poor things, just like like she's just like doing stuff. So yes,
I like him a little companion. And if anybody I don't know, I
think again, you could have showed a bit more because at the end when
she does the like the no killing off sets a reshoot. But I wish
in retrospect you could add some more her being a bit more I don't know
of a character, yeah exactly, Yeah, or psychically agree because we have
like Nova, who she's not really a character in the first like she doesn't
have a lot going on, but Lisa, I felt like there was just
cut scenes or something with her, because it kept seeming like they were gonna
lead in a direction that you're gonna have almost like a Cornelius and oh my
gosh, what's her name from the zero zero Thank you, like that type
of dynamic moving forward. And by the end of the movie, like I
thought they were gonna be kind of the two leaders of the Apes, but
she's just kind of dumb throughout the whole movie. And yeah, like it
just seems like he like we were going in that direction because when he's starting
like the riots, when he goes into like the area where all the Apes
are, he just like calls out to Lisa, and of course she just
at this point she doesn't fucking understand anything. Really, She just like looks
at him. Then it does the zoom in on his face, which is
just hilarious, and he's doing the head. Yeah. So that's why even
too, like if she's the one says no, just show her a few
times where maybe for some reason she is more understanding of the humans or doesn't
want like wants to be free, but doesn't want that. But until that
happened, I assumed she was just in the riots fucking everybody else up too,
you know, like I don't know, I didn't see much of that,
but she seemed like she was in that last command post room. Yeah,
and he preached that room. Well, didn't she get like punched or
pushed down or something. That's when Caesar loses it, I think at some
point too, because you know it's his new girlfriend. Is just something's happened.
So that scene too, when they're just sieging the command posts, I
just I laughed so on because there's like guards already fighting apes in that room,
you know, there's only a couple of them, so that the guards
are winning. And then it goes to our governor and he's just freaking out.
He's like, all hands on deck. They're about to breach the command
post, like this is this is deaf gone whatever, like this worst case
scenario. And then he just turns to the door. How is this possible?
They're supposed to be so primitive, but he's just freaking out and he
like cannot even fathom what is going on. He's like, oh, is
this happening right now? Give me a couple of lines, what do those
aliens say? And phantom menace with Qui Gons come through. You have to
remember one lines, don't you. The aliens say, uh, Qui Gon's
cutting them through. Remember remember when they know when they close the door,
it is the two like racist alien types. So don't do the accent,
but like and because yeah, they're just like, oh, it's not even
possible. Yeah, that's when the last Yeah, that's what that guy reminds
me of. That's just that door. And then all of a sudden it's
just welding and they don't have tools for this. But it's like, well,
like what do you think the humans are fucking welding through? But uh,
and then yeah, they take over and then they at one moment too,
they have like in that command thing there's uh it's like some it looks
like a battleship, big map, like it's just a table and it's like
big electronics. And when the apes crash in they're taking over. There some
guy that just falls from like the like the side stairs and he hits that.
He goes right there and just looking like explodes and it's on fire.
It's like, fuck, you're just falling into like chords and whatever like that
has to have been a terrible way to go. And and then in that
moment he doesn't kill the governor again because I think that's what happens. He
like pushes her or something and then he has the gun he's about to but
and then they just kidnap him, and McDonald's just like walking around with them
like it's like, it's just it's kind of awkward because it's just like,
why do the apes not attack him there? I know Caesar does say no,
but it's just still like I feel like they're not at that point where
they can understand this is a a good human. I just felt like they
would have just ripped him to shreds. But again, those head nods,
Caesar, he knows how to get to them. So yeah, exactly.
That room, it totally reminded me of the Death Star room in a New
Hope when Han's on the radio with whoever the Imperial guy is, and just
a lot of the aesthetic actually reminded me of that Star Wars thing, whether
it's like the like the I don't know, the panels with the buttons and
the lights. It just seemed very Star Wars y. In certain aspects,
which is funny because it's around that time, right, Like this is seventy
two. When it starts with seventy seven, this is seventy one, so
this is seven years earlier. So Lucas saw this as like, crack the
out, do this, it's the blueprint for it. Yeah, this is
actually this is why they don't go back to Earth. It's just run by
fucking orgy apes and they're like, we can't do anything the same universe as
stars. I wish I could go there, but I have no venus.
Now I know where to nest or or tribute tom I notes we've all hit
one way or not that the notes. I got one interesting fact. So
when the previous film we see Cornelius and Zero then talking about Aldo being the
first one. But I liked how again, it depends how you look at
this and how time travel works. After watching Endgame, I liked how they
explained it where if you're from the future, you go to the past and
that past is now your future. It's like a video game, like starting
at a save point and doing it. And so in this sense, for
what was for cornel Elias and Zero's present with Aldo being the first of them
going back and changing that the past their new future is now. Yeah,
it was it Caesar that was the first, So there was initially like patient
zero the original time that that painting, that first painting, that painting was
Aldo, and then every time after that the painter and the paintings, that's
Caesar going on again and again and again. Yeah, press the painter.
Even though it's weird because you're right about that. But at the same time,
if you take that movie, this origin fits the first movie better because
it's all talking about how Caesar rose up and he was the leader, right,
and that's what this movie is. It's Caesar leading apes. So it's
kind of weird where it's like they're putting both origins together. So and I
do just have a fun kick where I don't know what they would end up
becoming. But if it is like the Caesar that like rules over everybody,
like just for some reason, Cornelis and Zero are like the parents of that
because it starts all over, it's kind of a fun way. So yeah,
in that last like riot moment, well just during it, I guess
I really liked when you it's before like the netting of those guards. But
just uh, you have like the just like the line of troops with all
their guns and everything like lined up, and then like I don't think there's
any music or score. It's like super super quiet, and you just yeah,
you just have like the groups of the apes coming and yeah, it
was just like it's almost like Troy level when when you have like all all
the defenders of Troy coming and then like all all just like the soldiers marching
up closer and closer. It's just it was a really nice, I guess,
calm moment before the chaos would really ensue. And yeah, and then
the net comes in and that's basically just the end of it for the humans.
A couple they get a couple of shots, but I like in a
weird way, when the couple of the apes got shot, the rest apes
like speed up and it's like fuck yeah, it does the exact opposite of
like mom mentality right where it hits one unit of just thousands of units going.
You know, the humans are just hoping, like, all we shoot
a couple, that'll so down, they'll break apart, but no, they
just like get closer and then they're stupid, Yeah, they're not gonna get
us. They need the apes need some of those preadternets, the ones that
pen and they start like sucking, and I think they were fine. Those
humans didn't know how to get out of a fucking net at all. That
was there no one, which I guess could happen, right, because if
you throw a net big enough one hundred people, like someone move left,
you'll move right, like a lot of that. And then the second you
get out of the net, you're just getting like skull fucked by an ape.
You know, like it's not all hands, all four hands skull fucking
at the same time. You know, two year holes, two eye holes
are going to go. But that's what I mean, Like the second you
get that net, you're exhausted and there's just apes that are here to kill
you. Five I think I'm taking my own life in that moment, Like
if I'm in the net, I still have my rifle on me and there's
the apes are skull fucking my comrades next to it. I just looking.
This is like moments before Lisa says no and like stops the right. So
you're there, like you're you're in the front lines, going to fight the
like hundreds of apes that started to none of us all our choice. Yeah,
I don't know. I guess we just have to even then, Like
that would be us an air too, where you're not the president, just
the regular people of Like imagine tonight we go to bed, right and we
wake up and we find out that some apes came to Kolowna. They destroyed
everything, they killed a bunch of people. But now they've called peace and
they want to make a deal with the humans. I just don't even know
what the mindset would because it's like, want to meet with Travis, They
want to meet the members of the Geekers. We heard your jokes about the
Forehands. We didn't like it. We like ideas. We want to talk
some strokey. Yeah, but like do they take our leader's hostage or do
they kill our leaders? Like no, I think they kill our leaders who
steps up to make the deal. I think with the ending we got,
they would go and meet with the leaders. I just still think it would
be so odd of. I guess in our situation would be dogs. The
dogs up rise and all of a sudden, like our mayor is meeting with
the dogs to talk about their future. I would just be like, fuck,
what has happened, like what's gone down over like the past. It's
like because I feel like as a soldier and the government people, the government
people, you know what's going on, and the soldier does suck, but
at least you know, Okay, this is what's happening right now from the
outside. If you're just getting this information like every six hours or so about
like the update on the dogs or monkey uprising, like it's like well after
night a couple of weeks ago, but like, yeah, I'm just staying
an kids are going to school, like fuck, everything's getting locked up,
Like like the mayor's talking with a dog right now, what the like,
what the fuck do we do? And and and then they're talking with the
dog that the night before murdered hundreds of people, you know, so to
get this meeting goes bad, Yeah, it's over for us, Like there's
no going back from that. Honestly, if they murder thousands of humans,
it's just like how can that end in a say like the safest season they
could because I feel like, yeah, you can make a deal, but
like there's always gonna be that that just hatred towards them, and then obviously
the humans would be uprising against them eventually, and that's why I'm interested,
because I remember the least. But from what I remember Battle, that's why
I don't like it, because even with this ending, I think it does
just pick up an Apes and humans are just living together as societies. I
just go like, well, yes, no to that, because apparently I
think I was going through some stuff and this is attached to me all those
things. But in the first point of the Apes, Zias mentions in the
Cave sequence that Apes kept humans's pets for a while until Apes. That's not
the way it is. I don't think in Battle. I think in Battle
they literally have like a government. Well I thought that there was like a
like a legislation of them, but I'm pretty sure they had them still like
a cage. To a slight degree, they had them restricted. But we'll
know when we were watching. Yeah, Because like I said, I think
that's Ronny mcdoally's back of Caesar and that I think there's one storyline Jesus that
is good, but the rest of it's just kind of mishmosh. And then
also after that we'll get to the Timber and remake. So I'm excited to
revisit that because that's the one out of all the films I'm the least uh
or I'm the most fuzzy on I just well, it's like it's like a
It's it's funny because it takes place way in the future. I think his
name's Lawgiver is just kind of telling them like, hey, this is in
the past with Caesar and whatnot. No, Caesar's round he is, but
it's it starts off where there's like a bunch of small apes and I think
there's even a human children and it's Lawgiver, which is speculate he's going to
be in Kingdom Planet of the Apes. But he's like, here, let
me tell you a tale of Caesar or whatever back in the day. Yeah,
and I think it's big on the whole. Ape doesn't kill Ape,
like the start of that rule and everything. Yeah, Cornelius, fucking Golden
Egg, there are you violent? Well, ape doesn't kill Hape man,
Cornials just walked out. You fucking killed that meeting man. Yeah, I
can't wait another thing with the riot that I don't know. I kind of
was just by this point I was kind of over it, but just all
the other apes just being able to just yeah, wield these rifles without like
any training in there. They're so useless pouring a glass of water or combing
someone's hair or just working at a fucking hot grill with the flames. They're
terrified of flames, that's for sure. But they're just ready to shoot fire
out of a gun like no training whatsoever. They getumation man's freedom. You
gotta learn quick, like what's stopping them from just accidently shooting? Fucking Caesar,
you know, lost a feel along the way, for sure. A
couple of test rounds didn't go well. They didn't know his burst fire mode.
It just yeah, took out a few. That's I think it was
more believable when you have them, uh just using their hand combat. But
yeah, and I guess I could believe it a bit. It's just it's
just a trigger, right, you just have to pull on. What Caesar
shows them how to hold the guns, I guess like they're probably does there,
Yeah, because he does do like a like it's very it's not like
a training sequence, but he has the gun and he does that he hands.
Yeah, and I imagine their acriate accuracy percentage isn't great, but you
know that you're taking what you can get out of stew numbers on the action
listen maybe twenty twenty one, but I got better now. But I just
feel that you're just gonna have to do it right because this or nothing.
So you just got to hope they hit something, and like I was hoping
that it was just Caesar with the rifle, which it was for the majority
of the riot, but later on, yeah, it's just everybody has it,
and it was like, okay, whatever. Fuck. There's that one
scary moment where Caesar like tricks a couple of guards to run after him,
and then because remember it's like the two walls and there's like a group of
apes behind both walls, and then Sears just runs up. Oh yeah,
and then they run after him, and then those apes just like swallow all
those guards that would be I saw the one with it literally had a meat
cleaver. One of the apes like that was like hold that appeared early.
I was just gonna mention that too. When Caesar's like it cuts to him
in his underground resistance and they're bringing him weapons and stuff, and you see
this one gorilla with the fuck the meat fucking cleaver and hands. It's Caesar
and he's like nodding. Yes. It's like this is a fuck you know
what that's gonna be doing. He taught them all everything. Yeah, he
taught him later later, not for them. I did also think it was
bold too that they put Caesar down there and like first in the job,
he's talking these apes, he show them stuff. I thought, like,
there's no human down here to fucking watch these monkeys. See, nothing's going
on in it. Right, it's the government's basement, right, the governor's
basement, the building, like that government building, Spaseman. I just thought,
there's not one fucking camera in that room. Little on, I don't
know. I wasn't invented yet. Yeah, they spent all their money on
the truth machine in the state age. Yeah, in this day and age,
you only had seven to twenty p but no one can tell fucking lie.
Ever, every house in America has the fucking truth machine. Yeah,
like yeah, just just couples cook in the church, uh, anything else
specifically for a do tria. That's all I got. An original shit original
SCRIPTUREFT showed more of the rapid evolution of the apes from primitive to intelligent,
and showed the progression of the apes from pens to slaves. They they had
that, but they probably cut it for budgetary and that probably would add some
time because they were I don't know how long Battle is, but I'm gonna
guess it's probably the same. These three movies are all like an hour and
a half, but that was the plan. I guess there is a script
that had showing how they got to this point. This is the only film
of the original Plumb the eph series that was not rated G and the only
entry release without a pre title sequence. The reasoning for this is the opening
was deemed too violence and the producer wanted to avoid an R rating. The
opening showed a police on the night patrol shooting an escaped h and ape and
discovering his body covered in welps bruises that are evidence of severe abuse. They
the Governor McDonald referred to this in the final acts, so they do talk
about some sort of monkey that has bruises. So there was a scene that
they referred to got cut. That and many other bloody images were deleted at
for the pre release of the print was shown to a preview audience. The
opening scene appears in Normalization and the comic book on the November two thousand and
eight Blu Ray un raided version restored many of those graphic scenes, but not
the pre credit opening. After the film was re edited, some shots the
lead opening were used in a later scene added Caesar captured at night. Probably
the reason for the opening was never resurrected on the disk, so it sounds
like there is a version out there where they got to find some of that
radar stuff, but that opening has kind of lost to time. So there
was a whole setup of eight brutality and the Apes just shooting down somebody and
everything. So of all the Planet Apes, even the revivals, this had
the smallest budget. Jay Lee Thompson was supposed to have directed the first Planet
the Apes movie, but he was unavailable. Consequently, he or consequentially he
did the last two. So he does this one and then he does Battle
Coming Up. Let's see. The director tried to frame every shot as wide
as possible and use primary colors of black and red, durm their voult to
conceal the subpart, make eight makeup, and make it appear as though there's
hundreds of Apes clashings throughout the city, when actually it was only dozens of
apes using a few blocks. Uh, there's two of these that I thought
were very stupid. Uh. One just said on screen body count. Okay,
I guess, so that makes sense that on screen body count fifty nine,
making it the most violent eight film. I said, it's a cheek
because you know. And two they talk about that the whole world exploded,
but I guess they said on screens that's fine. And then this is just
a call IMDb trivia. I don't know who added this ad. This is
like a fucking dummy, but that's fine. Uh. The only original,
well the only one of the original five Plant Apes movies not to have a
chimpanzee character named Cornelius. Well, yeah, because Canarialis died last movie.
Luckily, on IMDb you can like thumbs up and thumbs down, lots pep
thumb down. It's like trivinal. But it's like, yeah, it'd be
very odd if Caesar just met another ape named Cornelius that was not his dad,
and Cornelis wasn't all of other movies, so it's just like, what
is this show only one a not of Yeah? Whatever, So mister Patzer
week final thoughts and a rating. Yeah, final thoughts. I I don't
know if I'm ever gonna watch this movie again. I feel like I don't
know in the future if I do the whole Planet of the Apes retro on
my own again, another another another episode, Like I don't know. There's
just not a lot in here that's pulling me towards I feel like the overall
story, like I was mentioning earlier, it definitely has potential and I can
see or I guess I could ask you, like, is Planet of the
Apes the book? Is it just the first book or sorry, the first
movie? Yeah? I think so, Yeah, Okay, Like I feel
like if this was a novel, this could actually be a lot more interesting.
It's just maybe like the limitations of the you know, the technology of
their time, it makes it a little bit dated. And if I want
to watch this story, I think I'm just a lot more likely to watch
Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which obviously that's the more modern Caesar
telling. But I do like what was shown here, just some goofy,
just some goofy human characters that kind of bring it down and just some inconsistencies
there. And like, I just really didn't like the first act either,
where it's there's really not a lot of talking, especially for our apes,
and I feel like that kind of makes me not as invested in his particular
story at least at that point of the movie. And like it's really not
until like halfway through that he is talking quite a bit. And even then,
like this is probably the movie that has the least amount of talking because
we don't have we don't have like the two apes that can talk to to
go back and forth with ye like we do in the other ones. So
yeah, I still think it's it's a pass for sure, of just of
like the maybe like the pull. It's not even really like the political issues.
It's just like the class issues, I guess, of like like where
the apes are just these slaves in this story here, Like I do find
that interesting of a story to tell, and just kind of I guess the
parallels to the first movie as well make it make it interesting there. But
yeah, for rating, I don't even know, Like what did I give
Beneath. I don't know what I gave beneath. This will definitely be above
Beneath. I feel like I might have failed Beneath. Actually, hindsight,
I feel like I thought we might. I think Tata might passed beneath,
but I think I thought we fail beneath. I think I'll give this one
like a like a six six out of ten. I think that's I think
it's appropriate. I don't know where I am with this this one, because
there's there's definitely aspects of it. I guess it's weird. Here's the best
way to pose. And this is where I so don't even know with my
rankings. I think Escape is a better movie, but I like this one
more, and I always will say, like, there's aspects to what I
like. But I think for me it's just a third act. But again,
because the last little bit ending changes that kind of gets a ding,
even though my whole life I've just remembered as a dark ending, and then
when I watched it as an adult, go oh, they really just like
copped out and didn't do that. So I think I just need a version
where he makes that speech and then it cuts that building on fire and then
boom. So I really don't know, but I enjoy some of the politics.
I enjoy the Caesar character. There is some differences to Cornelis do because
Cornelius much more stuck up like Cornelis wouldn't have been fucking like riding in the
streets and sting. And that's what I think about it too. It's just
kind of he is forced to do that. But it's such a sad way
because like both Cornelis and Zero are talked about how much they're so against violence,
so they don't want to go that route. Cut to twenty years later
and their son is just in the streets having apes kill everybody like it's a
it's a sad sort of tail. So I think I'm gonna get this the
exact same scores of Skate with an eight. And I don't know, because
I think I think that is a even what the ending I know doesn't deserve
really an eight. I don't know because that doesn't fit the whole thing.
But maybe I'll give it still like a seven point seventy five actually, just
because like I think the ending does bring it down a little bit, just
those very the re edit there. If it was that original one that just
a fall and Dark, it would be an eight. But yeah, these
two are really really close. Because Escape is a better movie. I don't
know if i'd watch as much, But then I do like Zero and cornelas
together. It's always great to have them. So yeah, these are pretty
equivalent to me. So yeah, I'll give it a seven point seven five.
Mister Field, Oh yeah, I think looking retrospect at everything and just
getting to see this film, like I alluded to earlier, being that this
is the turning point, This is where the Apes make their move on humanity
after so much dialogue of just like, hey, this is the event that
happened at some point, Yeah, the Apes took over. Yeah, yeah,
yeada to get this. It was really cool to see. I probably
would go I'd probably give it like a seven out of ten. And I
watching it now that I'm older, I enjoyed it more than watching when I
was younger. I would say, I think when I was I definitely enjoyed
like escape as you get apes and like the world we're familiar with escape,
this is yeah, and this is just such a dystopian setting, just to
see humanity having changed and transitioned over twenty years to this dictator police country and
now it's just on the brink of collapse and here we are and the cusp
of that. So I think that it's it does some things very interestingly and
I like that at parallels certain things we've seen in the other films as well,
like you've mentioned with certain characters like Nova and then whatever the chick ape's
name is. I can't remember whatever zero zero not zero no, no,
no, the other one, Lisa. Yeah. Yeah. So it's uh
a seven out of ten for me. There you go. Well, next
week we finish off the final chapter of the original series, the fifth movie,
Battle for the Plan, the Apes, that'll be closing out the you
know, Charlton Heston's start of it all. And then after that we got
the Tim Burn remake, and then we moved the Circus film. So it's
gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun to say goodbye to this. It's
gonna be fun to take a little dip into the Burden world and then we
get to get into some high quality stuff. So, ladies and gentlemen,
thank you very much for tuning in. Of course, as always, if
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