1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:07,000 Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the plan of the Apes Retrospective. 2 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:12,720 I can I always forget what the sound is. Fuck, I did 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,560 that last time. I gotta drop it now because other movies are coming back. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,079 But he sees the horse and they look, ah, what I think 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,120 of the Mando? I always think of the Mando horn every time. What 6 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,640 what is that? It's her? But I did the Mando last time. 7 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:32,159 No, but it's like, but yeah, I am the damn human bastard 8 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:40,520 trash. Now I'm joining by. I'm the King Nobody Nobody Retrospective today. 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:47,159 It took so long. Sorry, I'm the interrogated Taylor Field. I re 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,520 listened to those episodes. I just said, Kirkling and tearor they're not cutting 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,079 it, so I'm gonna just take them out and just do it myself. 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,679 That's why I had the double me. I was gonna just throw throw myself. 13 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:58,399 What do you think you need a delay though, otherwise it's just you 14 00:00:58,479 --> 00:01:00,960 talking over yourself always. It would be always a five. Yeah, you 15 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:04,079 just have to I have to keep switching in and out the windows. At 16 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:07,840 that point, I just talked to myself that there, Well, that's when 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,079 I do the puppet cast, and I have my own puppet, you know, 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,680 which is crazy because I so Gwen because obviously she is school want not 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,680 to do library day. I have not read Goosebumps in years. I learned 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,879 that slap he has a brother now and a son. His brother, yeah, 21 00:01:21,879 --> 00:01:25,680 it's new canon is his son is Jackson. His son is Jackson, 22 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:27,439 but that's the kid that I turned into a puppets doesn't really count. And 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,239 then his brother, he's a twin brother named Wally. He was carved from 24 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:36,359 the same cough and that slap he was, so there you go. Damn. 25 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:38,760 The more you know, the more you know. I can't wait till 26 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,280 I'm sixteen and we have no content and I can finally do Goose one's retrospective 27 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,799 one day. Somebody, I gotta set a goal. I gotta I get 28 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,879 to set like a thousand dollars patron goal. We hit that, I'll do 29 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:52,719 every single episode of goosebe I'll just donate yourself because you want to do it 30 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,159 so bad. Yeah exactly, But lays showman, We're here to talk about, 31 00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:57,760 not puppets, not apes, not whatever Taylor searching up. We're here 32 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:01,040 to talk. You just wake up from now up? No? Why Okay, 33 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:04,159 you just look like you get your nap hair. So that's why you 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,079 should come a little bit fluster. Oh no, I was. I was 35 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:09,199 watching Monarch and the whole time is just playing with my hair, just as 36 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:16,319 watching it's that every day he's like fucking Marrow, he's that we the not 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,800 night Rider, the fucking mad Max villain. Just when he's get his hair 38 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:30,159 and play with Yeah, that retro Monarch, no mad Max retro. I'm 39 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:31,680 excited because we just talked about last night. You hadn't watched it, so 40 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:36,520 we'll have to talk next week for suit. Your thoughts are so far good, 41 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:38,960 good chance, I'll have it finished by them. So what are you 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,800 doing with your life? That's a lot of episodes. I don't even know 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,319 how many episodes it is. I just I rewatched episode one with Madison and 44 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:52,280 she's joining like five hundred episodes. He's like, I done it, I'll 45 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,759 have it anime can't dragon ball z Like, well, there's the short version 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,120 streamline and there's the real episodes. 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If 73 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:32,399 not, it's publicly releasing close to or a couple of weeks from now. 74 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,439 Like I said, we record these in events, so we don't know, 75 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:38,439 but look out for that. We'll be doing the review. I'll plan the 76 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,759 apes, Bad Max and all those other springtime movies and TV shows to look 77 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:44,839 out. And yeah, I'm sure there's lots of other good stuff popping off 78 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,759 the feed. Oh my god, my fucking Izzy is dropping some bombs tonight. 79 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:57,079 She's right beside me, and it is like or it's just no right 80 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,680 now, I can't free you smelt it, you delt he just passes out 81 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,160 on the keyboards, Taylor, if I dealt it, why on casts would 82 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:12,959 I be like, Oh, I have no reason to line? Yeah, 83 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,519 what is Kirklin gonna be? Like? You guys smell? I think she 84 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,879 is farting over there? No, like, I like, she's just she 85 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,920 must have something going on because this morning her belly was gurgling as like going 86 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,279 and then all her like passings have been like all normal, So like I'm 87 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:28,800 like waiting for it. But uh, what's her diet? What do you 88 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,199 feed her? Just dog food? We don't do human human toads, yeah, 89 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:39,000 the shade clones that Krookla doesn't use. Just ships. She of course 90 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,600 gets a couple of crumbs because the girls are always dropping something in like a 91 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:44,839 treat here and there, but we don't do and bulldogs have a lot of 92 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,439 alergies, so she has has specifically kangaroo so like stuff like chicken and fish 93 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,360 can't have something. It's like an evolution thing, like they're from Australia and 94 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:59,000 they just the kangaroos. Bulldogs are from Australia. Yeah, British bulldogs, 95 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:01,920 kangaroos. I feel like they just evolved from that. If you yes, 96 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,800 to eat kangaroo. It just means she's no large kangaroo. I don't know 97 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,000 that. What are you looking at, Taylor? What are you? I'm 98 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,199 just curious, Like where the British bulldog Australia was from Britain of Britain. 99 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:16,759 I don't mean when they came from Britain. I'm not that daf they like 100 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,240 what dogs are, like we're spliced together to create the British bulldog because they're 101 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:29,000 a proper descendant. It's no I always see like hoity high like people that 102 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:31,879 own bulldogs are the worst and they're bringing and yes they got some Marien issues, 103 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,920 but is he's also like other than some of his Like she's like she's 104 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,360 doing really great. Hellth fights for being ten years old now and stuff and 105 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,560 bulldogs like are eight to twelve and she's doing pretty good. Watch he'll fucking 106 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,279 kill over to more on this absolut age really poorly. But no, I 107 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,920 think he's hanging on for a while. But either way, but you know, 108 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,600 she's had a good run. She's now she's living her best life. 109 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,680 I'm home with her every day, Like that's the that's a dog dream to 110 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,759 have some working at home. So but yes, let's let's talk about apes 111 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,680 and talk about transition from one dark thing too maybe another one. So Conquest 112 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,480 of the Plant the Apes is our first of the of the doubles. This 113 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,199 is a sequel that takes place nineteen years later from Escape from the Planet the 114 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,360 Apes is falling Milo aka Caesar. I'm glad they changed the Caesar for many 115 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,680 reasons, but Milo is not that great, So this one, yeah, 116 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:29,480 ip, Milo just den the water somewhere floating. But yeah, this is 117 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,000 a sequel following zero cornelis child and you know what what would happen if you 118 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,240 have this talking ape? But it's all keema, hush hush. But much 119 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:40,879 like the pros Ata the last time, cats and dogs have all died, 120 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:45,040 So apes became pets and then they slowly became workers and then slaves. So 121 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,399 lots of change in the Scriclum Pats or do you have any memories of Conquest 122 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,480 of the Plant Apes in the past and what do you think about it currently? 123 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Yeah, this one was the I feel like the one that I had 124 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,519 the least knowledge of going into it. I definitely thought I had seen it 125 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:05,480 before, but going through it, like, definitely, I don't think so 126 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,800 I like, I remember Battle, do you. I'm surprised that battles That 127 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:11,959 for me, that's when I saw the least as a kid was Battle. 128 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,199 I feel like for Battle, there were certain scenes that I was expecting to 129 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,920 show up in this movie, but it like they just weren't there. So 130 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,000 I'm definitely just pointing towards Okay, Yeah, though there's Battle the one that 131 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,759 I remembered more so than this one because it I was just very surprised with 132 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,480 what was going on. Especially this is like, well, I guess Rise 133 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,600 is like almost a remake of this or like expanded upon sort of like same 134 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:43,399 character name. He agrees thought he was blowing bubbles for a second every time 135 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,639 that comes up, and then he just freezes. I'm just blowing you spit 136 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,360 bubbles. Guys, look at this. I'm like to board things. But 137 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,840 so the way I had Cannons, technically you could say that Rise is a 138 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:01,320 remake, but the way I had Cannon it is Rise takes space before planning 139 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,240 the apes, and this takes place after plan because like there's a chicken egg, 140 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,600 right, because we talked about this last week, where like, okay, 141 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,200 if you knew like Taylor Charlton Heston. I hate Saint Taylor because we 142 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,799 have a tailor. Charlton Hesson goes up to space right when Zero and cornelis 143 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:20,440 come down. He's still gone. They didn't go past that point. But 144 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,000 in Rise, Charlton Heston's character is going to space. So that's why I 145 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,639 think this is a Chicken Eggs in Air where it is similar. But I 146 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,720 think that Rise is a prequel to Plant the Apes, but this is actually 147 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,080 a sequel now. The way it kind of is because it doesn't make sense 148 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,879 because after Caesar takes over Taylor, Charlton Hesson would never go to that planet 149 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:45,600 because it's already happened, right, so that it's a mind fucker thing. 150 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,720 But yes, they're essentially the Ape Uprising movie, and you know, Rise 151 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,720 is kind of an up a remaking of sense. So I feel like I 152 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,720 just look at this as almost like an anthology type film or like I don't 153 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,960 know, a little what if scenario just and maybe I feel that way because 154 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,559 of the overall quality. I didn't actually love this one too much. I 155 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,519 feel like I was a little bit let down. The concept was really good, 156 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,399 like on paper, I just think the actual delivery of it was lacking. 157 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,480 And maybe it's just because I had seen obviously a more modern day version 158 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,080 in Rise, so maybe like just my own, I don't know, preconceived 159 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,799 expectations were kind of like I just kind of set it up to fail. 160 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,840 Unfortunately, knowing that this was like Caesar's sort of story and just the whole 161 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,240 dystopian jump from where we were in the last movie, it just seemed a 162 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,200 little bit far fetch and almost like very sci fi. Like I know, 163 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,080 these are all sci fi type movies, but the last one felt more grounded, 164 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,879 just because like what that one's based in. I guess it's what was 165 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:48,080 it a year before this movie? This one came on seventy two, So 166 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,720 they're saying this is what the two thousands is supposed to look like, because 167 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,600 this is pretty much twenty years later. Yeah, yeah, okay, I 168 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:56,519 was just trying to remember what that era. I guess was that first one. 169 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,759 It would have been like modern day of when they filmed it, right 170 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,840 in the seventies they hit the nail on the head. Yeah, I think 171 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,000 we said it was seventy nine. I think right, we said last one, 172 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,679 so they're going into the eighties way. I'm confused that with Mad Max 173 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,600 I think I'll confirm. Yeah, I can't quite. So you're just trying 174 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,120 to fire out when this movie was like timeline wise, No, when was 175 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:20,799 the first one? When was when was Escape? Escape? Was the seventies 176 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,960 exact year? No, but we're looking for the exactly that you didn't help 177 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,759 us out all. I mean, Kirkling just went back to about like trying 178 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:30,600 to figure out seventy and like, oh, I know somewhere in the seventies. 179 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:33,679 Yeah, me, that part. We're trying to if the movie, 180 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,799 because the movies takes place nineteen years later, what year did Escape take place? 181 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,519 And it would have been seventy I'm just gonna look it up just to 182 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:48,639 say it again. God, but where was they to go with that? 183 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,200 Uh yeah, just this just dopium jump that we had from the last movie. 184 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:58,519 It just seems very like quite the leap. I feel like even I 185 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,279 don't know, just the whole seventy one seventy one, Okay, so it 186 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,279 would take place in nine right, Yeah, so this movie takes place in 187 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,480 the nineties, so they definitely were even more so I'm not gonna sit what 188 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,879 I'm seeing. Seventy three the spaceship Crashes of California southern coast in nineteen seventy 189 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:18,000 three. Oh is that? Why would they randomly in the movie be like, 190 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,639 this movie comes out in nineteen seventy one, but we're gonna place it 191 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,919 two years either way. Early nineties is when this movie is supposed to be 192 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:31,080 taking place, very very very set dates in mind. God, but yeah, 193 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,600 just like overall, I feel like I really didn't like the first act 194 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,360 a whole lot. It was. It was very slow of just showing I 195 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,320 guess, the apes in their situation and just kind of getting that explanation across 196 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,440 that, you know, like the disease came in killed all cats and dogs, 197 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,919 which is just like, okay, that's pretty specific, I guess, 198 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:52,720 but whatever, those are the only the only pets that were affected, Like 199 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:54,440 did the goldfish get wiped out? To No, just the cats and the 200 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,480 dogs, and then they just replaced them with the apes. And I just 201 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,039 feel like the whole set up of them in that societal I don't know class, 202 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,039 I guess, so just being pets but then also like converted into slaves. 203 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,679 It was. It just seemed like quite a leap coming from from the 204 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,759 previous movie because they don't really like hint towards that at all. That's why 205 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,039 it just seems like such a contained type anthology. Don't hint towards what. 206 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,559 Just like the apes becoming slaves and like replacing animals. It's like a high 207 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,759 robot situation. Said that last movie though, what did they say? Remember 208 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,399 Cornelis gives the whole thing. They're like, what happens with apes? And 209 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,440 they're like they become slaves and workers, and they give an ape of command 210 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,279 and no yeah, and the ape says no they do. That is like 211 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:43,320 the most repeated line in this entire movie. No no. But they did 212 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:52,159 set up where they said they became no, you got me, you got 213 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:58,279 me? Checkmate there So okay, my own dad there one and just the 214 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,519 whole I don't know, like parrying the apes and like there's in their set 215 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:05,639 colors and you have these like again, it's just like a total dystopian type 216 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,279 situation. Whereas where we were nineteen years prior, like it's life just as 217 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:15,399 it was essentially like without like a humanoid type eight coming from space. It 218 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,120 just seemed like that's what life was like in the seventies, where it's here, 219 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,480 it's like we're I don't know, in like a Hunger Games type situation 220 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,679 where like everybody's wearing a certain garb. It's very like everyone's wearing black. 221 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,519 All of the the architecture of the buildings and everything. It just seems like 222 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:33,960 a like a different type planet almost, which is how different it is from 223 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,879 the previous movie. You have the guards and basically like their Nazi outfits, 224 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:43,519 they're wearing like those like imperial type hats and everything. It just it just 225 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,600 seems very different than the previous one. And I think that jump was just 226 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,559 a little bit too much for me, And overall it was just you have 227 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,559 two fingers in the air. Remember when I told you a trivia. When 228 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,000 they've talked about making the first one Apes a sci fi movie, I feel 229 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,919 like they took that concept into hear. I'm not saying that's like for you, 230 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,240 like the change opinion. I'm just saying like, yeah, they like 231 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:05,159 they were like they hadn't in the ideas and they're like, well, He's 232 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:07,720 still done that, like Apes in his sci fi type of movie, Because 233 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,840 you know, it's I guess that's what Maybe they had that in the back 234 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,759 of their mind because this even though I don't know how much he wrote in 235 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:18,000 my trivia, But this is a guy that was supposed to direct the first 236 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,039 Apes and something happened, so he ended up directing this one last one. 237 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,559 But so I wonder there's some correlation to like, well, when I was 238 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:26,360 working, Apes was gonna be uh robots and uh, you know, I'm 239 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:33,279 curious, I'm curious on the show is. But yeah, like just even 240 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,679 even from like Beneath and then to Escape the like the Planet of the Apes, 241 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,759 Like those three movies they seem somewhat similar in a sense where this one 242 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,320 is. It's just very different across the board in my opinion. And yeah, 243 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,559 like even I feel like it got slightly better into the second act and 244 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,000 then the third act again like maybe got slightly better. It was really like 245 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,639 the big climax that I was the most interested in. But even then, 246 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,399 like this is a movie came on in nineteen seventy two, like a lot 247 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,440 of like the practical effects and stuff, they aren't too convincing in my opinion. 248 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:04,159 It just, I don't know, it looked like they had a big 249 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,120 idea for this large scale event and it just kind of looked cheesy in my 250 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:11,960 opinion. And I don't know, I don't know what it is. There's 251 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,919 a bunch of different factors for sure that brought down my overall enjoyment. But 252 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,840 yeah, like this one a lot less than I was expecting to. So 253 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:23,600 you think beneath Fit still fits with those three, that we're still on the 254 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:26,279 same I guess, well, it's all the same planet, you know. 255 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:33,360 I guess yea, it just seems without the mutant people. I guess like 256 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,159 we're the third happens in that movie. We're still dealing with like the same 257 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,200 colony that the play with the Apes were in. And just like the whole 258 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,960 hierarchy of well, I guess the hierarchy changes there because the grills are now 259 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,080 in charge, but like the orangutangs, and just like the whole societal structure 260 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,120 is very similar to the first one where till it's not until it's you got 261 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,960 me there that third actually it's the whole game. What the fuck was that 262 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,399 guy that? What was his name in the movie the which little brain guy? 263 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:06,200 A little Charleton Neston we always forget, Oh yeah, he didn't remember 264 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,920 his name with a brass Who was it? I can't remember, but some 265 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:17,319 very basic white dude name. I feel jelling or something. Yeah, tear 266 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,519 Field, what did you think about? Funny if it's a reoccurring joke that 267 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:25,240 nobody remembers him name, everybody just remembers Taylor Now we can't remember. And 268 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,880 three we made the big deal on that, Like you think we would remember 269 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,319 his name after that, but we don't. You're what hell? No? 270 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:38,160 Oh okay, I'll look sorry. So yeah, this this movie I remember 271 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,279 never really being the one I was always rushing off to. I feel like 272 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,000 it was always going to be Escape or it's gonna be the first one for 273 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,880 me to kind of go towards. But seeing it now, I definitely have 274 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,160 a little bit more of an appreciation for this one, just because of how 275 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,799 it was set up from Escape. But I also, like, I want 276 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:03,119 to critique and come down hard on human he just being idiots for being late 277 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,519 having the doom, their doom laid out in front of them, and here 278 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,920 they are just fucking eat it up like they just pursued their doom. And 279 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,039 for that reason, I think it's just it's really they like Rebecca Ferguson and 280 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,640 Doune, what's going on here? They pursued their due like they were told, 281 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,480 Like, Hey, the plague White sail cats and dogs, and many 282 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,079 took apes and that was their downfall. What do they fucking do? Oh 283 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:30,200 a plague took out cats and dogs and they just recruited apes. And then 284 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,920 they're getting the intelligence reports and this one fucking guy, a little el Brent, 285 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,119 that's right. Yeah, so a few things like I'm just like to 286 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,079 nitpick. He got the one governor I think he was a governor, and 287 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:45,200 he just has a heart on for hate on the apes and ape just like 288 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,920 does something independent. He's like, Oh, they're fucking rising up against He's 289 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,839 just he's just what you want. The character. You said, you don't 290 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,599 like that they're going towards their own doom. But here's one guy that's like 291 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,680 he's going they created the problem though, and then here he is, he's 292 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,079 getting like, oh give me the little you know, there's those reports like 293 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,279 over statistics show the apes intelligence is on the rise. Yeah, they're gonna 294 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:12,759 fucking overthrow us. He was very like that we gotta do itidem the guy's 295 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:17,720 like, hold up, I've already explained that what is happening? So like 296 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:22,279 before he continued, like I guess is he a government of trying to figure 297 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,359 out like governor like the governor. Yeah, okay, because this is still 298 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,119 Governor Brick. Is his name? What is it, Governor Brick? Oh 299 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,839 it's not, it's not brand He's not related to same character he's had to 300 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:41,359 send Yeah, before he goes to space. Nobody remember my dad. I 301 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,319 was just wondering. Though this is nineteen years ago, we have to remember 302 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,680 that. Who did we just watched this movie. Who did Cornelius tell that 303 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:55,920 story to? Was it our good doctors? Though it was it was definitely 304 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,880 like uh like c I A like Newman and everything, like Victor Newman was 305 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,400 them. I'm pretty sure it was. When was the good doctor right? 306 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,480 Or was he No, he's the bad one. He was the one that 307 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,240 got shot at the I thought it was. I thought it was put like 308 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:14,880 on file, And that's my only counter that I don't think it was. 309 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,640 And I could be wrong. If it is, maybe I'll I don't know 310 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,079 how to pull it up because I don't have access to just play as yeah, 311 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:25,799 but like that's my only thing is if they told the Good Doctors, 312 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:30,319 I could see a version where no, the people do never learn about that, 313 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,000 right, So that's why I'd have to have that confirmed. And then 314 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:34,920 let's say the flip side, if it was the bad people, would they 315 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,799 tell everybody that? Or do you think they would just wait and then if 316 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,640 it happens, that's when they tell everybody, because we know, like governments, 317 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,440 they're not gonna share anything. So it's not like Cornelius said that, 318 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,799 and then the next day of the President's like, by the way, dogs 319 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:48,319 and cats are gonna die in a few years and monkeys will take over, 320 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,960 Like, they wouldn't tell the public that. That'd be mass hysteria. So 321 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,000 that's why I was wondering if they if the news either way got full spread 322 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:00,000 to everybody, or if it was just in a circle of those people that 323 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,039 like even Newman if he knew he fucking died on the pier, so he 324 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,640 wasn't gonna tell anybody, right, So that's why I'm wondering if like the 325 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,799 core that knew that kind of died or kept to themselves, like the good 326 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,240 doctors aren't gonna say anything either. The good guys, they're not gonna be 327 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:15,279 like, oh, by the way, monkeys are gonna take over and killsall 328 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,240 I found it. It's basically halfway through the movie. Okay, he was 329 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,880 in there so it's just like this, it's not Newman, well I guess 330 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,200 Newman might be in the room, but it's it's at the CIA like head 331 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,839 not headquarters, but at the secret base. So the good doctors actually weren't 332 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,839 even there for that conversation. It was just purely I got on record, 333 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,920 right yeah. Oh so then with that news then the public wouldn't know, 334 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,240 but you, I guess would think that the c and people would step up 335 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:47,720 once the cats and dogs did die, So I mean they should. I 336 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:52,559 mean, like this is this is the CIA, and this is obviously transitioned 337 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:56,519 into whatever, like fuck, within twenty years, the whole American country has 338 00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:03,200 transitioned to this fucking dictatorship. It's play or as we just watched Appenheimer this 339 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:06,480 year. Is there a version and we didn't get this? This is me 340 00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:07,880 head can in the movie. So it doesn't count to whether you like it 341 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,119 or not. You can see a version of politics in general where people hear 342 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,079 about this terrible idea, but they go, oh, but we can control 343 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,759 and make sure that doesn't happen, and they learn that, oh monkeys, 344 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,079 gorillas, look how smart they could be. We get them do that if 345 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,279 we can control it. Like talking about what the president last week, right, 346 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,160 like, can we do we have the power to control the future music? 347 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:30,880 I don't know. So that's that's where you could I could see like 348 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,440 look at the fucking atomic bomb, right, like that's the thing of we 349 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,680 made this thing. But it's like, Okay, well, what the fuck 350 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,079 should we really do with it now? Even though they made the automic bomb 351 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,000 fully knowing what the fuck it could do, and they still made it, 352 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,000 right, it's the same thing, you know what these apes can do, 353 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,079 But fuck, I do miss having a dog, so maybe let's do a 354 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:52,720 monkey. You know. It's funny, like that's such a big motivation for 355 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,319 them to like bring these apes into their society and replace like the pets, 356 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,839 and then they have a little bit more functions so they can basically just becomes. 357 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,079 And it seems like every single shot that it shows these like slave apes 358 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,279 on screen, they're just like not doing well at their job. They're they're 359 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,960 fucking up everything. Their owners are just freaking out of them, like go 360 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,000 home, Lisa, go home, Henry, whatever the fuck their names are, 361 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,839 And it's just like how successful are these apes? Like they spend so 362 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,319 much money to get to get them to serve them, and it just seems 363 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,240 like every single day they just fuck something up. They can't pour the water 364 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,839 glock of the auction. Yeah, but you put ak forty seven. Their 365 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,480 hands are going down. Yeah, they know what. We love that clip 366 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:41,279 real quick. We'll get there for the continue Taylor didn't get because we we 367 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,000 went off on tangent. But you're talking about how the society doing itself, 368 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,839 but just your general thought, I mean, doing them dooming themselves. But 369 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,880 I think over all the playing with my hair again, fuck uh, the 370 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:03,920 fall off, I think that overall what the movie kind of it was coming 371 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:11,039 down to. Yeah, I just think it's I think it's pretty that quick. 372 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,359 I think it's pretty cool though, just for the fandom to be able 373 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,559 to get a wacky, wild film like this on top of everything that we've 374 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,319 gotten, because this feels like it's a what if scenario or just something that's 375 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,480 just out of the just the general narrative. It just feels very cool. 376 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:32,160 And I think that back then there people are probably super hyped to actually see 377 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,319 how things unfolded. It's kind of like an equivalent is like oh, in 378 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,200 a new Hope you hear will be won, Like oh, on the Clone 379 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,440 Wars and all of a sudden, years later you get to see a movie 380 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,359 with the Clone Wars and you get to see those events unravel. So it's 381 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119 pretty cool to see how many prequels were there in the seventies. You know, 382 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,039 probably not too many. But other than that, I think it felt 383 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,400 like this is a This wasn't like a short movie, but it felt short. 384 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,799 It's only an hour and a half. An hour and a half, 385 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,519 oh yeah, I thought it was. Yeah, they keep these things tight 386 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,799 budget. You know. Well, that's another thing too. This one feels 387 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,640 very tight on the budget because I feel like we were revisiting many of the 388 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,519 set pieces reoccurringly throughout the film. They shot this all in like a university. 389 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,319 That's where they spent the budget on the ape costumes. Yeah, some 390 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,079 are great in summer, Oh yeah, were questionable. It's not good when 391 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,200 they're all together because then the question ones really stand out. When you got 392 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,799 like there's six great apes, there's sixth grade apes with Caesar, then there's 393 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:34,319 that one, were like, fuck, what happened to this guy? I 394 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:42,039 definitely do appreciate just the turning point when Caesar is just not he's not happy 395 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:47,960 with with how shit's going down, and I think Armando Armando bring up here 396 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,039 was definitely pretty bold, but I guess he had interviewed and it was a 397 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:53,559 big mistake. He should have left him behind. But obviously he was being 398 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:57,680 interviewed and he had to be interrogated and they were questioning him. So why 399 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,400 he's not bringing his circus to the city and stay into the outer regions, 400 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,279 I guess, so don't bring Caesar like they probably wanted to do tests and 401 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,759 interview him to or to a slight interview him. At this point, they 402 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,359 don't think monkeys can talk, So what the fuck's monkey is saying? Well, 403 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,839 they think they think that they can because they're they're super bigh because like 404 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,799 even before I feel like they're dispersing apes that are gathering, like they have 405 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,200 this very preconceived notion that they're just terrified, like okay, like one of 406 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,119 these apes will talk. They just this is a society that's been built that 407 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,160 they didn't believe that that baby that died was the real Caesar or was Milo, 408 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,599 I guess in the last film. So they're so paranoid. But on 409 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,799 top of that, I just really do get a kick out of the fact 410 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,920 that after Armando is gone and you have Caesar just kind of just he understands 411 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200 what he needs to do, and you just get a five to ten minute 412 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,720 sequence of just an ape doing a chore. And then he looks and you 413 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:57,400 see it Caesar just standing fucking oft in the distance and yeah, just like 414 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:03,000 this head nod and the grilla will dump the garbage back, or like the 415 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,000 clean the apist cleaning the silver war this is my favorite one. And he 416 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,279 he looks and you see Caesar like looking down ominously and then he like slides 417 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,440 the knife into the cloth and like he's just like a great like yeah, 418 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,759 I'm doing this, Like they just instantly so human. There's a lot of 419 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:25,599 head nods, just fucking Ronny McDowell, I got a lot of head Tom 420 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:30,880 Hardy his eye acting, Roby mcdowll's head not acting. I just love it. 421 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440 It's just like very mischievous, like just even little stuff like just taking 422 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,839 a ship on some guy's cars. Like he looks over and she was just 423 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:49,680 the monkey just climbs that cheap as it's happenings just can't be a good one 424 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:53,000 is gonna go. We're gonna go a lot of tangents. I feel aout 425 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:57,440 this one. So you like the movie or you don't like the movie. 426 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:00,359 I gotchay it. Okay, I enjoy it. You enjoy it now you're 427 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,319 older, is what you said. M m okay, oh God, bad 428 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,720 time. Uh yeah, I fucking love this movie. Not a great movie, 429 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,519 but like I love like the meme aspects. But I also I think 430 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:17,279 I am what Terror just described. I was that little kid of man. 431 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,720 We're actually gonna see it. I think there's some stumbles along the way. 432 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,440 I don't think everything's great. I think a lot of the human characters very 433 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,680 suck. But I do think the third act, when the takeover happens, 434 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:33,240 that fucking has the juice man, because that is they make these apes as 435 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,079 scary as they can be, but they make them scary. And I just 436 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,799 remember watching this as a kid being like, Okay, they might break down 437 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,799 everything, but when they're just going around fucking just murdering humans, you're like, 438 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,720 geez, and I got into trivia. I hate it so much and 439 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:48,880 I'll probably just bring it up now. But like the ending, and that's 440 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,279 why I sum about with At the time of this recording, uh Superman, 441 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,440 Superman, Mike in the discord was talking about how he likes Rise better because 442 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440 it just feels like a superior remake. And it definitely is like my I 443 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,200 suppose were my rankings would be like Rise is on a different level. But 444 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,319 what I love about this for the most part until the last thirty seconds where 445 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:11,319 the studios got scared, what I like is we're getting those similar issues again 446 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,000 where it's very much like Plan the Apes one, but again it's the flip 447 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:18,200 of Okay, you have this monkey, it's a human society, what do 448 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,200 you do? But I like all the stepping points we get to Caesar making 449 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,039 a turn to mean much like Rise, they all work here. He loses 450 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,839 things. He constantly sees monkeys and apes just being tortured and killed. He 451 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:37,039 gets fucking electroshock therapy like other than Armando, and he does meet the other 452 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,000 guy later on, but pretty much it's like a week of just man, 453 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,519 fuck these humans, and especially once Armando di I think that is like that 454 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640 is the turn. And what I love about the third act is it's not 455 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,759 them just escaping. They're taken over and that speech that he gets, and 456 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:53,640 like I said, I hate at the studio they went back on, but 457 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,440 I remember watching his kid and we talked about how many these movies have dark 458 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:02,119 endings. This is a dark fucking ending. Now the studio, I'll probably 459 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,160 just read it. I know it's weird to have it in my overalls, 460 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,519 but it just has to go with my uh thing here? Where is it 461 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:15,640 here? Oh? Can I find it? No? I thought I'd put 462 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680 it somewhere. But either way, what I like about the ending is with 463 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,039 rise and when we get to that, Caeesar the whole movie he's being treated 464 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,240 to shit. But like when the monkeys escape, they're attacking a lot of 465 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,920 like the mean humans and just anybody, and they're just their goal is just 466 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,680 we're just gonna get in the woods, right any circus and his crew, 467 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,480 we just gotta escape. These monkeys goal are we're gonna fucking kill everyone. 468 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,880 And there's like no regrets to it and that speech until they do the fucking 469 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,839 and that's what happened. They do the hard zoomans on Caesar's eyes. They 470 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,720 have him talking when you can't see him. It's because they the ending originally 471 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200 was him giving that speech, and I fucking love it. Ron mcdeal's going 472 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,480 hard of just like, no, we're gonna fucking burn everything like we're gonna 473 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,559 introduce our religion, our worles, and I'm like, fuck, like measure 474 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,759 if you're human just seeing this monkey says like you're like, we're fucked. 475 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,319 It's over for us. And the original ending was he gives the command and 476 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:10,279 they all just destroy the governor, they just rip them apart, but they 477 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:11,960 thought that was too dark, ended on a hopeful note, and I do 478 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,920 think that hurts the movie because I think the movies vibe meets like it fits 479 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,680 with the age just going like fuck this, we are just gonna get back 480 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,000 to Plan eights one where we're just gonna dominate you. So the ending at 481 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,240 the very end, it to me, doesn't work. It does bring down 482 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,720 the film where it's just like but maybe those away that we could all live 483 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,519 and you have no no, like that's all stuff that's reshot. Even some 484 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,039 of the stuff with Caesar it's the same footage, but they just played in 485 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:38,759 reverse, like the way he moves, just to make it look like it's 486 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,160 new stuff. So I hate that, but I kind of headcanon that away 487 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,359 because like, Okay, there was original and I can't though because Battle is 488 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,160 like human aids were working together. I don't know, like I thought they 489 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440 really had something cooking there. But that's the point that I did like is 490 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:59,880 when the turn is happening, Caesar feels justified. But it feels like when 491 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,200 we talk about Joker, where it's like, Okay, you're cheering for a 492 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,359 character for a moment, and then they take that turn where it's like, 493 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Okay, this is way too hard and Caesar starts to do that where you're 494 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,039 like, fuck, like I don't want you monkeys to be hurt, but 495 00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:12,960 like this is getting really bad. That's how dark Like, I feel like 496 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,160 it is the darkest one out of the bunch until the switch happens. But 497 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,599 uh yeah, I like the motivation Caesar. I love I don't care that 498 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,240 Roy McDowell is back, you know, it's the same, Like I just 499 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,279 love him as an ape, so like he's great Caesar, him and Armando 500 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,200 have a good relationship. I think the runtimes like a perfect amount. I 501 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,720 think you'd maybe do like a little more, but it's a perfect amount. 502 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,759 Yeah. Not all the apes look great. There's a couple man ones. 503 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,599 I think some of the villains, especially the Governor guy, not not a 504 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,359 great villain, just a very hyperball. Like we've got to get the apes. 505 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,319 You don't know if he's a dufist or he's smart, because at one 506 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:49,240 moment they're looking at like mugshots of Cornelius and then like he's like, Dave 507 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:53,960 looks just like this, and then they adopt Caesar, like it looks a 508 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,519 lot like this ape. It's a fucking like stick man like fucking like trying. 509 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000 But later on in the movie though, they've pulled pictures off Cornelius, 510 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:06,359 right, and he sees that, and then later on he buys Caesar and 511 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,160 at no point he's like, this is the monkey like it was like, 512 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,279 so they make them a little goofy. But I like the turn. I 513 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,279 like how dark it does get. And to me also just like the third 514 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,480 act. I love the way it's edited. It's a lot of quick cuts, 515 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,359 just glass break, human falling off a building, human getting an net 516 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,680 on them, human getting burned. It's just like every five seconds there's human 517 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,680 violence going on, and it feels like an actual riot happening. So for 518 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,440 me, the third act is just like it's great, and I just love 519 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,359 they're outsmart and the humans and there's always something like the cig you guys great 520 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,160 in those movies. But when you get some of the live action apes that 521 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,079 do look good with the humans, it's like, okay, just that moment 522 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,680 of when they're in the dark and you just hear the monkeys and they just 523 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,079 slowly appear from the light and now they have guns, and you're just like, 524 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,559 fuck man, Like this would for the people that are innocent and all 525 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:57,279 this, It's like, fuck man, this would be like just imatchine the 526 00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,799 news. You're watching the news, like these monkeys are broken up, they've 527 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,440 gone and they're destroying us. Like I that's for me. I think it's 528 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,679 just that third act that make me like I love this movie, not making 529 00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:12,079 it a best or great movie, but that what whole placement hark is. 530 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,079 As a kid, I don't know what I was thinking was gonna happen when 531 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,800 I watch it, just like I don't know why just gonna storm in your 532 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,639 house? Like no, not like that. But I guess I just didn't 533 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,239 jump to because in my mind as a kid, it didn't work too oh, 534 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,000 this was probably a prequel to like the first No, I didn't work 535 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,480 like that. It's just like, Okay, these monkeys are now in human 536 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,079 world that can talk, what's gonna happen. I didn't have my brain like 537 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,400 they're gonna fucking just destroy the world again. And that's yeah, especially if 538 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000 like the whole story is told from the perspective of Caesar and he is definitely 539 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:40,840 the victim for the majority of the entire and like all the apes right, 540 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,280 like they're seen as just this really uh just beaten down class, which I 541 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,199 guess is a different race in this situation, and you're you're like rooting for 542 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,400 them because you have these like tyrants just running the show. But then it 543 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,360 gets to that point where, yeah, they are just murdering all the humans, 544 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,400 not really doing you know, a trial or anything. Just any human 545 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,519 is the bad guy, and then I I agree with you. I think 546 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,039 that the darker ending actually fits a lot better with with the overall story because 547 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:12,559 it's just like it gets to a boiling point for Caesar to lead his his 548 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,719 fellow apes to this point that they are like they're not just fighting for their 549 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,480 freedom, they're fighting to burn down the castle and to build a new on 550 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,840 top of it. So I think, like the little pivot, it is 551 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,280 very jarring with just how quickly it happens because they are just so motivated to 552 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,920 to burn down everything. He's like, he's like all the apes and the 553 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,639 other continents are gonna be doing the same thing tomorrow. I'm like, I 554 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:38,800 don't know how they're planning this, but this is like, I'm down, 555 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,320 this is crazy. He's just gonna do a broadcast of just the Head, 556 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,280 just have Lisa, who's just like staring at him. No. No, 557 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,599 He's like, okay, yeah, we're We're not actually gonna do this. 558 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,639 It's just it's very jarring with how quickly that that pivot happens. But yeah, 559 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,719 I think it is shocking. Nonetheless, when you get to that point 560 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,239 eventually when it's like, oh, these these aren't the good guys. Like 561 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,079 like me, being a human, I would be terrified in that situation, 562 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,000 you know, reading it on the news like you're saying, and then you 563 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,880 know you have your slave ape just doing your dishes, yeah, and you're 564 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,559 looking at each other like uh well, It's like it's still sometimes works. 565 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,119 But even like in that ending scene, I know, I guess we're talking 566 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,280 about the ending now first. But just like I love when they they specifically 567 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:29,039 made sure they got a black actor and they had that line where it's like, 568 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,199 as somebody of a descendants of slaves. This is not the way to 569 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,480 go. And that's where I still like Caesar be you know, like snapping 570 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,639 back, being like, well that you know that was That's what the route 571 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,360 you decided to go down. I'm gonna go down this road again. They 572 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,519 change it, so you can even say, if I k I guess I 573 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,039 wish there was more time with that character, because then I could buy Okay, 574 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:50,920 maybe Caesar is gonna pull off and not do it. But he's known 575 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,320 this dude for like ten minutes. He was nice to once and now like 576 00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:58,039 he is nice to his life. See his life literally hid in McDonald, 577 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,119 didn't he because he like fucked with me the hallway? Yes, oh yeah, 578 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,519 you're right, you're right. Okay, yeah, no I forgot about 579 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,679 that. Yeah you're right. So he did save his life, so he 580 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,119 does owe him that. I don't know if Caesar knows that he does that. 581 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,480 I just wish there was they didn't sense it, like was this three 582 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,639 shots, So I wish they had a bit more of a connection. But 583 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,119 I do like that, Uh this idea of okay, black man is talking 584 00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,119 to another oppressed slave group of like, hey, like don't go like his 585 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,199 his pitch is like, don't do this because we'll never be able to work 586 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,880 together, and Caesar's response is like, I don't want to work together. 587 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,840 I just want to kill you all. I don't know what he was gonna 588 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,679 do to him because he seemed like he liked him, so I wasn't sure 589 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:39,119 if the full like like, are you gonna leave the one human? Like 590 00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:42,519 I don't know what the process was gonna be. But like I said, 591 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,400 that's a scary thing when you say has a slave, This isn't gonna work. 592 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,000 And then he goes, well, no, it's it's gonna work because 593 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:52,920 I'm just gonna eliminate the issue before, like you try to live with a 594 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,679 white man and a black man. That's not the route I'm gonna go. 595 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,599 And then like we said last two minutes, like but maybe there is a 596 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,360 way, and it's like, oh is there? Like you've murdered many appeal 597 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,920 shows like The City on Fire to Rolls credits, it's like, I'm confused. 598 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,440 I don't know, And that's what's that's the weirdest thing. It's hard. 599 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:15,880 It's riot Brian McDowell acting as fucking ass talking about we're gonna exterminate the 600 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,519 human race, and then baby, we can find a way to coexist, 601 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,199 and then the last shot is scary music were Billy's on fire. She're like, 602 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,280 what the fuck's happening? And before you go to I'll read this out. 603 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,239 So this is what happened the movie originally, and it was Caesar's yelled 604 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,519 that the day is upon us now, and the apes began beating Governor Beck 605 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:36,800 to death despite McDonald's please, So that's what's gonna happen last week, let's 606 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,599 say, don't do it, and they just fucking I just want to love 607 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:44,199 that. They just murdered this governor in front of mister McDonald. But due 608 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,199 to poor test screening, uh, it resulted in the addition of them adding 609 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,000 Lisa yelling no, I don't know if she yelled at she like whispered to 610 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,119 him, which followed by the repeated footage of Caesar's speech, which was added 611 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:59,360 and dubbed later by Roby mcdoell to give the film more hopeful tone by making 612 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,679 caesear sympathetic and not a mass murder, which is like that to me, 613 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,400 was the better movie. It's like the whole movie you set them up to 614 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,639 be the mass murder. And last movie, You're like, eh, I 615 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,119 don't know the second half. The final scene with Lisa baking Caesar to show 616 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:15,760 mercy and him giving the equality speech was added after the film's completion. This 617 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,320 is why the final shot is only of Caesar's eyes and grainy quality. The 618 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,119 shot is crop piece footage from earlier in the film. Ronny Mydall was brought 619 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,000 to read more lines, which were edited into place. Originally, the film 620 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,239 ended on dark note yeah, like we talked about. Yet much of the 621 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,960 same footage exists in both endings, but in the revised version, the apes 622 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,519 raising their rifles is played in reverse as them lowering them. The footage of 623 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,400 the beating is cut, so that moment where they all put down their guns 624 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,960 that originally was the like you're done, Like it's over for you, so 625 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,760 like they literally I guess this test screening people just went fucking And I guess 626 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,320 too, because they do make battle, so I could see at that point 627 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,519 of view, if you're wanting to make another one and they're all worried, 628 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,559 like people think this is really dark, they might not want another one. 629 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:04,039 That's not do that. But now looking back in like when you get retrospect, 630 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,559 and I think battles all right, He's like, man, they should 631 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,599 have went for that hard and I think it would have aged it a lot 632 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,719 better. But Tay, you're gonna say something, I don't want to get 633 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,239 that out there before. That hard ending would fit better too with just where 634 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,480 the apes are so angry and evil against humanity and that first plan of the 635 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,920 Apes movie with Heston, so that kind of would sack but and like what 636 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,840 do they do for? And that's what's so weird because like they still murdered 637 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,400 a bunch of people, so like, what are the I just feel like 638 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,480 the humans, you are at a point where I'd understand if you break out 639 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:35,239 like in Rise right where the Apes break out and they just want to be 640 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,199 left alone, then I could see other humans being like, no, they 641 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,519 want to live by themselves. Let's leave the apes alone do our thing. 642 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,519 This is a movie where they break out and then proceed to murder a bunch 643 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,679 of people. So I would see every other people in like we're talking about 644 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,119 all the rest of the contents are gonna be doing that. I just feel 645 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,559 like they'd be fucking loading up being like we're gonna kill these fucking Like if 646 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,320 you have an ape in your house, that ape is dead like that very 647 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,840 night. So that's where it's like for me, it's like I don't think 648 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,800 it's it's just odd to be like kill a bunch of humans and then go, 649 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,320 yeah, let's work together. Actually, let's like how do those families 650 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,480 feel, what type of compensation do they get? Like, oh, sorry, 651 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,599 your dad was a security guarden that night, But like now the apes 652 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,840 are riding on the bus with you, Like it's just like a It's which 653 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,679 I think is an interesting situation. But I don't think in battle, I 654 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,320 can't remember that much. But I think it's just monkeys and humans together and 655 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,320 they don't really get into like the politics of what happened the night of the 656 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,360 reckoning. I think it's just like, oh, we're together now, you 657 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,119 know. I'd like to know if there is like some backstory on like what 658 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,679 was going on in Europe at the time of this, because if the apes 659 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000 took over in the States, several of the police cities all had apes and 660 00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:42,719 then we learn and so that's all been taken over. But is Europe just 661 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,039 still thriving and even in the future when has to in the crash lens, 662 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:51,440 like Europe is just like a peak human civilization ready in Europe for the last 663 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,039 two years. Are you trying to say now, are you trying to say 664 00:41:55,039 --> 00:42:00,320 the riginal plan the Apes like the forbidden euro Ye in the Forbidden z well 665 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,320 not in the Forbidden Zell, but like you have to think there's the apes 666 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,199 over there. The Apes didn't have sea travel at this point, So I 667 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:14,440 mean, what, how what's going on in Europe? Like is so good 668 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:19,360 question? I imagine they would eventually. How why wouldn't they have sea travel? 669 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,440 You don't think there's boats in this universe. I'm sure they got boats, 670 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880 but I don't know if they're really going all the way over can't swim, 671 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,519 They're terrible, like, but they have the boats. I think if 672 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,159 they got the Caesar has to do is heading on a couple Apes on a 673 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:37,719 boat and they're they're driving that thing over to you, Lisa. Wouldn't you 674 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,159 think like Europe would just have like their their jet planes or have sixteens F 675 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,239 twenty two's like line the beach head with tanks and howitzers and then they see 676 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,079 the wooden boats of the co here's the counter of the counter though, Are 677 00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:57,840 you saying that? Are you saying that there's no apes in Europe. I 678 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,400 think there is, But how do I think they would just turn? Set 679 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,760 up? Would they turn? Or like a leadership? Right? The only 680 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,760 reason these apes turn is because no, That's that's why I was confused too, 681 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,000 because Caesar was like, like, apes on every continent are gonna be 682 00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,119 doing the same thing tomorrow. I'm like, who the fuck is like leading 683 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,519 those squadrons? Like it does he literally just have a radio to all these 684 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,360 others. I don't think it, Like this place looks pretty technological, sound 685 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,199 like, I don't think it's out around possibility that they kill the humans and 686 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:34,760 then the next day they broadcast this like I can't imagine sixty six, Like 687 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,559 imagine you're in Europe, you're having your breakfast, your monkeys feedier, You're 688 00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,559 like, oh, turn on the news and it's just Caesar with footage of 689 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,920 dead human all over apes and like take over now he's doing the headnds like 690 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:52,960 and you look over ape like I do, because the way they who knows? 691 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,079 Because America, I guess, But like that's my head canon that it 692 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,639 is that eventually the other apes would just be like inspire by a leader, 693 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,960 right, they'd say those apes took over America, killed everyone. Why can't 694 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,719 we do the same, you know? But I guess in this situation, 695 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:12,760 the ending is because he's like, we'll find a way. Does like Caesar 696 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,159 meet with the president and they find some sort of like common ground of like 697 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,480 to I guess to release the apes because like what is the pitch that he 698 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,119 goes in the present, Either we're free people, we're gonna murder everybody, 699 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,719 Like I guess as the president, you kind of have to like you're free 700 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,719 now, right, Like that's because it's not you just saw the night before 701 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,119 what they're gonna do if they're not free. Governor Governor Becker whatever was like 702 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,719 inches away from being torn aparts, Like there's not really a So I think 703 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,239 that's what would happen. It would just spread over there eventually. Taylor, 704 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,320 he had planned already other continents. Yeah, I like the like the idea 705 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,679 he just is doing the head nod. The TV just comes on, doesn't 706 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,119 say anything to do you just in your mail you open up a thing that's 707 00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:52,840 just a poster of the head nod, and the monkey just fucking flips like 708 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,599 it's my it's two pieces. One's like his head like this and the next 709 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,719 paper down. It's like the pull or it's like a no, it's that 710 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:06,079 flip page thing you do. Caesar draws a bunch of himself and it's just 711 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:10,079 like the monkeys go fucking bizark, you know the intro to Nope, my 712 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:15,599 monkeys saw the fucking Caesar head nod and crazy. That movie wasn't out yet, 713 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,039 Taylor, this is ninety yeah. Yeah, so to two things. 714 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:27,360 I remember my previous point. Previous point was how why again would you invest 715 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,480 thousands of dollars in your own ape servant when you're hearing over the PA system 716 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:37,199 like, oh, several apes gathering in the courtyard and then the troops go 717 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,239 in and like pull apart. Oh people owners of these apes will we charged 718 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,679 the cord and it's like, man, you just like they're fucking up. 719 00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,519 They're getting you finds out the wazoo. Like it's just a horrible, horrible 720 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,159 part worse too. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, those rill of 721 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,920 chitzers, those I don't even where like go. I think it's just like 722 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,079 the it's funny, I guess I do. Who believe that in a sense, 723 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,000 because I'd love a stat of like even Canadians like how many Canadians have 724 00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,639 a dog or cat, right, I know, kirkt and you're like, 725 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,719 oh, what about fucking fish? But it's like that a fish would not 726 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,920 A fish doesn't make up for not having a dog. He ain't do anything 727 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,840 with them. They're just in a tank. So like, I do believe 728 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,719 people would be like if if monkeys could be trained, be our animals and 729 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,760 let's say they're safe at this point, right, I do believe it's a 730 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,119 society we take a ball even right now, five years from now, if 731 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,360 you're to tell me that our governments of Canada America have deemed it that you 732 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,719 can have a monkey and they're completely safe, you know, people would have 733 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,159 a fucking monkey. I I would not. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. 734 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,440 I would because I've always wanted a monkey, but I've seen enough horse stories 735 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,840 ago. No, I'm just not a fucking full sized chimp. I don't 736 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,039 want someone to wrestle with, you know, have a good time. But 737 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,559 like, no, so like I I think that that to me, just 738 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:54,599 like certain things of plant apes, I do find that believable that if a 739 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:59,679 bunch of pets died, people would start going to monkeys if they were trained. 740 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,039 You know. So here's some statistics. You're gonna give me some percentage? 741 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,440 Is that in Europe? So maybe it's over Do you think it's over? 742 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:12,079 Under Travis fifty fifty? Is so taking at least telling me it's this 743 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,639 North America or Canada before I get my Canada? Okay? So? And 744 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,440 is it specifically cats and dogs or I have cats and cats in separate and 745 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,960 dogs separate? Okay, so dogs, I think are is over fifty cats. 746 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:30,280 I'll go under under for both. That's okay, Yes, So thirty 747 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,960 eight percent of Canadian Canadians have cats and then dogs are second at thirty five 748 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:43,679 percent. Really, well, so there's forty there's forty million Canadians, and 749 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,960 so if we go through here, thirty eight percent of forty million, Uh, 750 00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:50,840 this is cats? How many of those dogs voted for Justin Trudeau? 751 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,119 All of them? I just like bringing up politics on the eight stretrospective's just 752 00:47:54,119 --> 00:48:00,000 a fuck. So that'd be fifteen million, two hundred thousand people with cats, 753 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,800 and then it'd be fourteen million with dogs, and so those and our 754 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,360 population's forty million. Apparently that's what it's saying. Okay, So but okay, 755 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:14,800 so I in the original question though, saying fifty percent of cats and 756 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,400 dogs, that's fifty percent because putting those together, that's over sixty percent. 757 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,800 Yeah, no, when you combine them together, that so sixty percent of 758 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,119 can that has a pet that is like an animal you can feed, pet 759 00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,760 whatever. Now chimp owners, yeah, I think if if again, it's 760 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,400 not the chimps that we know right now in our day and age, right, 761 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,519 you got to think about this. This is a time where they're shown 762 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,599 they can be trained. Yeah, no, not then either, it's the 763 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,400 it's the in between, because I guarantee you there was a time where people 764 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,159 there were some dogs that's like can you even own that as a pet? 765 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,239 Right? So that's even people still have some of those conversations, right. 766 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,800 So that's where I feel like in a society where for years the government kept 767 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,440 telling you monkeys are safe to have, people would start getting monkeys. True, 768 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,719 it's true. You have a couple of months throughout this movie though, 769 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,639 like just the idea of like, again, these are very different apes than 770 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,159 the ones we know. But I'm like, man, I could like I 771 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:15,360 would be terrified just being around an ape like that because they, like you 772 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,599 know, they're cute sometimes, especially like the young ones, but like they 773 00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:23,119 are just so incredibly strong compared to a basic human, Like they are just 774 00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:28,119 built different, Like we're flimsy. They're like just corded steel. They're ten 775 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,559 times strength. Yeah, and like you just look at them weird and they'll 776 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:36,280 just fucking rip your arms off or something. So like I couldn't imagine just 777 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,599 living with one. I feel like like even even a dog sometimes like a 778 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,920 large dog. Like I love dogs. I don't really get scared of dogs, 779 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,239 but like you know, if there's a big ones barking, it's like 780 00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:50,639 that that thing could be dangerous alone. There's size deep that there's a dog 781 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,800 big enough that it will attack you, it will kill you. There are 782 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,159 multiple dogs that can kill just kill you because they're fucking powerhouse. They're tough. 783 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,320 They don't have the same pain. Taller and said, we do, 784 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,760 like, and that is I'm with, Yeah, there's I'm not trying to 785 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,440 say band dogs, any any dog. You meet fucking little dogs. That 786 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,880 the only reason it's not dangerous because they're little, right, But you can 787 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,480 meet dogs all the times just fucking bite people and it's like, oh sorry, 788 00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,119 but it's like if they had big teeth, it's like it give me 789 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,360 an issue. So that's where Yeah. Also stuff because of these movies are 790 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,400 gnawing and other dogs. No, we're never taking them the dog we're ever 791 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,559 get let's the fuck out of here. Oh shit, he's messing up my 792 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:36,159 car. They're shit on my car. The governor all the sudden, Mark 793 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:42,039 was just like and all religions and uh, you're like you just talk No, 794 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,800 no, our farting dogs. So I just to expand on this now 795 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,280 he's like, I wash Like, he's like, I'm fine with the way 796 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:57,000 things are. Guys. So, worldwide, thirty three percent of people own 797 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,880 household paths. So we'll just this is every in the world. This is 798 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,000 worldwide thirty three percent. And what is household pets? So, like, 799 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,920 is that kind of a parrot? Also, we will get back to the 800 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,880 movie. Everybody we're just talking about it probably is concleutedly pairpur For this sake, 801 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,519 we'll just we'll just encompass it all because for fun, So there's at 802 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,559 least seven point eight billion people as a twenty twenty one, but we'll stick 803 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:22,320 with seven point eight billion. So thirty three percent of seven point eight billion 804 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,920 is two point five points or two point five to seven billion is what I'm 805 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,840 getting here. So if all those are apes, like that's a quarter of 806 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,280 the fucking population, Like that's oh yeah, And that's the things where it's 807 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,280 like it's good for the humans when they have like the batons and the guns 808 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,840 even in this movie. But then it's like if you get in that one 809 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,239 on one scenarrow, that's where we're all fucked because it's like it's plus it's 810 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,159 one on one. And these monkeys in this movie they're throwing nets. They're 811 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,639 they're all prepared, you know, which I did like is like a fun 812 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,480 call back because they do in the first one, right, that's how they 813 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,000 catch the humans. So I like that the guys are all gunned up ready 814 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:58,039 to go, and from out of nowhere, these monkeys are so fucking net 815 00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,719 and then the monkey's charging. Could you just imagine if you're in a net, 816 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,719 like oh fuck, like you're trying to get out and you just see 817 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,079 monkeys charging you. So with like, yeah, anything they found, So 818 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,719 yeah, two point three billion aames, that would be a lot to and 819 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,519 you got one that can talk too. I guess I can talk because like 820 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,320 because I guess it still fits with like the new narrative. If they just 821 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,800 say that the monkeys learn. I don't know how it's whatever, this this 822 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,360 disease thing is they learn because it's like Caesar just met this female ape like 823 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,280 a couple of days ago, and she's already like she's essentially right, yeah, 824 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,119 pretty much. But she's talking way before even Nova. Could you know, 825 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,440 like does Nova speak in the first film, Remember she says she says 826 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:49,440 that dies five seconds later got shot. So you were talking about that speech, 827 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,880 Travis, I have I have a speech here. I'm gonna read. 828 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,960 No, he's gonna enact all the animals. I'm gonna try his cats have 829 00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:01,480 begun to Taylor, like read it, read it. I need to get 830 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,719 some music here. There's like a claw, right, a slit tailor's throat. 831 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,119 Is this a planet? A sweet? This is not no imagine Cornelius, 832 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,800 our religions alllive. He turns this up. So this is this is 833 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,599 the music, Cornellia. There's no better music than this. There's no where. 834 00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,760 The sea is a dead sea, and the land is a wasteland out 835 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,400 of which I will lead my people from their captivity, and we will build 836 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,000 our own cities in which there will be no place for humans except to serve 837 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,719 our own ends. And we shall found our own armies, our own religion, 838 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:38,239 our own dynasty, and that day is upon you. Now I'm ready 839 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,320 to burn the place down with that music. On this music, what is 840 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,679 this? I'm trying to find something patterns. He's spamming the trust. The 841 00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:52,960 apes are going home if they hear this stuff. No, no, that 842 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,559 the nose. Yeah, there's not there's not many good ones. But yeah, 843 00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,480 like I I see what you were saying earlier, Trevis, Like you're 844 00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:05,320 just you're just like a male man. You're doing your own shit. And 845 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,599 then you know, the ape throws a net on you. You look up 846 00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,639 and he's like, this is our dynasty, low, like our old religion. 847 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,360 Like what the fuck is calling on? If it's not Caesar, it's 848 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,079 just you getting a net on you, and he's just going no, no, 849 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:25,159 no, Especially like if you didn't know about the male if you if 850 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,159 you didn't watch the news back then, if you were a kid, you 851 00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,920 didn't know about Cornelius and zero, you didn't know about talking apes, and 852 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,719 all of a sudden, this ape's just fucking full on speech, like it's 853 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,920 traumatizing. Those first few days would be fucking wild for the humans definitely, 854 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,559 you know that was something else too that kind of I don't know why threw 855 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,320 me off guards so much, Probably just because we only have really two apes, 856 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,960 I guess in the previous film and then the other ones that we come 857 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,079 across or in the zoo, which they actually have like a real ape in 858 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,199 that scene, and then like that's where you have baby Milow. But don't 859 00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,159 we just jump to this movie and like the apes seems so evolved, you 860 00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,800 know. The big difference obviously is just they have their humans and suits, 861 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,400 so their eyes are like actually white, whereas like ape's eyes don't have like 862 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,559 the whites in the eyes at all. So I was just like, man, 863 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,320 like, did they just evolve? Did they give them some super serum 864 00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,599 in order for them to even like understand these directions? Like it just seemed 865 00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:22,559 like such an evolutionary jump, and it's supposed to be that like infection or 866 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,000 whatever goes around that it isn't because that's the thing. Also in the new 867 00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:29,840 movies they say like eventually makes a human so they can't speak, So I 868 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,599 think there's some didn't they say in this movie that it was based off of 869 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,079 the ship that crashed there, didn't they say that was just because of the 870 00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:43,239 dogs and cats thing. It was, Yeah, it was, so I 871 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,719 wasn't sure if they're trying to They alluded to that the apes brought up with 872 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:52,199 them, So I think that's what they're trying to infer that whatever like pathogens 873 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,360 the apes had when they came back that like affected the rest of the world 874 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,519 and apes start to evolve. It's a very loose, like one line and 875 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,440 you kind of like, I guess, I guess this works. But they 876 00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:08,039 definitely nineteen years a lot a lot of changes because like you know, like 877 00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:13,039 they fuck up their tasks for sure. But yeah, like they're not like 878 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,760 they seem very fairly domesticated, Like they're not just attacking their owners like I 879 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,960 would expect a normal ape. Wood Like they have groups of gorillas, fucking 880 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,880 gorillas that do not look like a gorilla at all. It just looks like 881 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,599 a skinny dude and a gorilla cost Yeah, you know, just like like 882 00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,000 pushing them back. I'm like, like, what the fuck is this? 883 00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:32,599 Like a five hundred pound gorilla is really gonna be a group of them just 884 00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:37,800 taking off, like getting corralled by like three members. Remember escape and that 885 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,800 gorilla in the cage and now they're just like the skinny ones, right. 886 00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:45,079 But if they do have a line in this movie talking about how that you 887 00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:46,920 have to just you can't let them get a lot out of line. You 888 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,920 have to show. So I don't think it's that the humans are doing those 889 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,840 sort of things. I think it's that the apes are not fight like, 890 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,239 they're not doing any pressure back, like I think this if they wanted, 891 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,599 or the Grill, you could just stand there and not get put. But 892 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,840 I think because they're so scared of the humans, they gotta just kind of 893 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,599 way along. There's there's like the scene when Caesar's doing his little you know 894 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,199 draft, He's it's like it's draft day. He's doing a showcase showing off 895 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,960 with all his skills before he goes for the auction, and like I think 896 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,920 he like that's where he's helping out maybe with like the dinner setting thing. 897 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,519 But they have like gorillas, like the Grill's like making a bed and they 898 00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:29,480 like just go ballistic and just start like grabbing the bed and like throwing it 899 00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:31,199 around. So I just feel like those moments could happen all the time, 900 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,239 especially when they're training, because they're like breaking them from a wild animal into 901 00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:39,880 a domestic creature. I feel like just being a guard there with your nightstick, 902 00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:43,840 Like, no way, no way in hell are you putting me in 903 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,800 a group, not even just one gorilla, let alone just like twenty of 904 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,719 them. But again, like I guess if they explained it through the pathage 905 00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,119 and thing, I can kind of accept that, but it was just kind 906 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:53,639 of lingering with me throughout the whole film. I think because of the jump 907 00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:58,639 from the previous one. Because we didn't have these looking like gorillas that look 908 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,559 like this, or just rangutangs that look like the ones from the first movie. 909 00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:06,800 It just seemed like like all of these creatures came from space in order 910 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,039 to that's fair. Plus, yeah, it's a meeting of kind of the 911 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,519 multiple airs, and that's where it's just like I even love where they get 912 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,079 again. I had the issue with they literally show a picture of Cornelius. 913 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,199 They say, he looks just like this, you would remember him, right, 914 00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,480 Amando, And then the governor proceeds to buy an eighth that looks exactly 915 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,880 like Cornelius and has nothing. I know, you could say like, oh, 916 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,280 it's because he's done, but I just like that felt like way too 917 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,199 of a jump for me. He's like he literally saw a photo. They're 918 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:34,480 talking about Cornelis and it's odd because I thought, I I because I don't 919 00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:36,639 remember this. I've seen this movie many times, but it's not like when 920 00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,679 I go return to all time. So when he buys them, he's like, 921 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,360 that's one right there, like, you know, whatever the price is, 922 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,199 he's gonna get them. So I'm like, Okay, he must figure 923 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,320 this is Caesar, Milo whatever, and he wants them. But he doesn't. 924 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,719 He just for some reasonly reasonbly like wanted this ape because I guess they 925 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:55,199 did say he's in good condition. He's well groom, no bruises, so 926 00:58:55,239 --> 00:59:00,159 I guess it's just like he's a good eight. But so they do, 927 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,159 they do this, and they get back and they're explaining the rules to Caesar, 928 00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:06,639 you know, a mile o I guess, whatever the fuck you want 929 00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:07,719 to call him, and like, oh, this is how you pour a 930 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,039 drink and he pretends to not be able to pour the drink and everything like 931 00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:14,360 that. So I appreciate that. Okay, for the first you know, 932 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,039 five minutes interaction, he's playing dumb, right, This is a smart way, 933 00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,960 as we saw last movie, Zero should have played dumb more got them 934 00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:23,199 killed. So then the guy's like, we're gonna let you pick a name. 935 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,199 This is what my family used to do, picking a name, throw 936 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,639 us in the book. And then he picks Caesar, which is already suspicious 937 00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:32,719 enough, but he picks it. He's just like like he fucking cold cock 938 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,320 looks at him like, this is my name, like right away, it's 939 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,960 like he called me king. Yeah, he looks cognizant. He does not 940 00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:45,199 look like any of the eighth so far. Up to this point he's been 941 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:47,840 like, oh, I'm a monkey, and then just like Caesar and he's 942 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,320 like he may as well just spoke. Then it's like and again they which 943 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,960 was weird because that's why I do think this. At least the last movie 944 00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,559 with Victor Newman, we had some issues with him stuff, but at least 945 00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,880 I can't that were Oh he had the cigarette recorder and he got zero drunk. 946 01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,840 He made some moves that were smart, where these guys are just like, 947 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,159 did you know you're worried about a talking ape and this fucking ape just 948 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,800 literally gave you the death stare and called them most Caesar and no one's calling 949 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,440 a red flag and the general the Governor's side, well, very well, 950 01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:21,000 good luck, monkey, don't fuck up. And then he goes back and 951 01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,159 he's like, we need to find this talking ape. And it's just like 952 01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:27,199 like that was a bridge too far for me to believe. And even then 953 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,679 McDonald, if I thought, oh, he's gonna catch on and this is 954 01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,320 where him and Caesar are gonna bond is not to LANs just like that are 955 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,679 looking for me and oh my god, I love that. Though that was 956 01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,599 great, I guess I just wish that happened earlier in the movie. That's 957 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,440 what I think, just because they could have bonded you more. It seems 958 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,360 too like just the the stages that the Governor or even just any of the 959 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,360 humans are like catching on the things, it just seems so like disjointed from 960 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,599 where it happens throughout the film. Because right away, like like right away 961 01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:00,719 when you have Armando and Caesar just rolling through the streets handing out flyers for 962 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,159 the circus, which we kind of talked about it again, but she had 963 01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,840 to reiterate that's such a terrible idea with like how like he has the most 964 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,400 wanted ape essentially, and like human history is like Oh, yeah, I'm 965 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,239 just gonna take you into town. We're gonna drop off some flyers or whatever. 966 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,480 Yeah, and then because like he's even like, oh he can cox 967 01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:23,840 this plan right of the attack happens and we're gonna say you run away all 968 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:29,679 the time. Yeah, they're gonna believe this. But even then, I 969 01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:30,800 feel like it would have been more believable. They would have been like, 970 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,079 hey, where where's that chimpanzee and or poster. Oh he ran away, 971 01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,280 and they're like, oh okay, But after this ape maybe spoke, they're 972 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,320 not gonna be like Armando is such a fucking idiot. There's something even changed 973 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,440 his voice either when the guy's like say it, say human bastard and he's 974 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:58,719 like, figure kill no man. Before Kirk gets back to his point, 975 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,440 man, I do because he's a good guy at least, right he's an 976 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:08,320 anybody's good guy. I feel from spy kids. Yeah, I feel so 977 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,280 bad when I sit him down, like you're free to go. Yes, 978 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,880 it was a mistake. Oh I knew it was a mistake. They're like, 979 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:21,559 but there's this machine we're gonna first, and he's just like he's looking 980 01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:24,400 like that will in the fuck and like it's a credit to the actor, 981 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,239 because I think he pulls it off well, thinking like he's Scott free, 982 01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,159 and then it just turns to like, oh and you didn't lie, right, 983 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,760 you sign that, you sign this paper you didn't lie? Oh of 984 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:38,280 course or not? And then she's like oh fuck. Like it's like the 985 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,000 second that comes down, the lights over and again the credit the actor. 986 01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:45,960 It just looks like it's over for you. And I feel so bad. 987 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:53,920 But I don't know why you'd why you'd sign ship in there like releas just 988 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,119 sign this and he doesn't even read it. He's like, what is what 989 01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,960 is Taylor? Your release? Just sign? It's like oh good, yeah, 990 01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:05,679 and he no, no, stop stop. They did say before he 991 01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:07,679 that's where you're wrong. He said what is this? And they say, 992 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,079 oh, this is just a confirm that you've not lied about anything even truthful 993 01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:14,920 and he says, oh absolutely, and he signs it and that's when they 994 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,239 break out the big fucking mind warp gun so that he does clarify what is 995 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,320 this and they say, oh, it's an affidavit and he goes okay. 996 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,840 So like because tear replay that scene where I feel like if he doesn't sign 997 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,559 it. They can't put him under scrutiny of that machine. Really, you 998 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,159 think he signs Oh no, I think he signs that machine. He signs 999 01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:36,840 the paper and then it gives them access to use the machine. They didn't 1000 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,079 even ask the permission to use the machine in the first place. They just 1001 01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:42,639 said, like before you go, we're gonna fucking zap you, like because 1002 01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:46,639 tear replay it. They say, hey, this sign this what is this 1003 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,039 four year to sign? It is to confirm you've not lied about the apes 1004 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:54,519 or anything. He says, I'm not signing that. Like, what do 1005 01:03:54,559 --> 01:04:00,599 you think's gonna happen to him? He's I guarantee terms of conditions. It 1006 01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:04,679 probably said, like an you'll face an interrogation by the truth machine. I'll 1007 01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:09,440 feel comfortable with this. This is dictatorship, though. I to lose lose 1008 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,519 situation no matter what. No, because like there you can tell. I 1009 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,199 know the only way he doesn't lose if he told the truth and then he 1010 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:20,480 was killed. There's a certain thing McDonald said where uh he was McDonald doesn't 1011 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:26,039 have control of the situational They're all going over McDonald's I think McDonald's devoid of 1012 01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,079 the scenario. But McDonald definitely has some poll in this in this world right 1013 01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:31,880 now, but there's some pole but I think they all look at him like, 1014 01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,760 oh he's an ape sympathizer, Like fuck that guy, like we're still 1015 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,280 gonna kill the apes. You know. He definitely had a statement where he 1016 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,760 was implying like that you can't do this until like this, this is innocent 1017 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,199 or something like that. He was implying something like that. But yeah, 1018 01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:47,920 the governor doesn't give a shit. He's he's pulling loose strings. And it's 1019 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,239 as Caesar falls in his mum's footstep, he gets Armando fucking killed. Like 1020 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:59,159 I like, he's talking on public multiple times and like this fact the yells 1021 01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:00,840 out. It's just like man, I'm like, that's that's your far Mondo 1022 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:06,239 got fucking He didn't get thrown out of window. He tripped and he was 1023 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:13,320 so funny. It's so quickly my favoriteness. When he falls, they just 1024 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,280 do like a hard Grady sun to buildings and it's just like is this his 1025 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:21,639 point of view? Like what's happening? But you know, I like Ripremando, 1026 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,519 good guy. Good Caesar found out too, because he was working and 1027 01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:30,159 like the Caesars working in the studio or whatever, and it's just I'm paraphrasing 1028 01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:32,280 with those officers. I hear that fucking circus guy. Yeah, you fucking 1029 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:38,599 just ate it caesars just to hear them ship talk this guy. Yeah, 1030 01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:43,280 I'm taking his wife and I'm a fucker. I gonnet the truth machine and 1031 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:48,199 just like God, that's why you said will have the foe, because that's 1032 01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:51,039 why you like, that's when he looked up at the machine. What happened? 1033 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:57,840 What is this? And it never really explained, like what, like 1034 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,039 I guess it just forces you to tell the truth. Is that the I 1035 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,760 into truth machine? It's like, why don't why don't you save yourself days 1036 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:09,039 of interrogation and just lead with this? Every time I thought it was like 1037 01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:12,360 if he lies, it'll like fucking squish his nuts or something like. It's 1038 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,440 like it's one of those situations where like he himself has to tell the truth. 1039 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,639 But no, he he has no saying. He has no saying. 1040 01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:23,039 It's just he's in the chair. Is that why he looks so weak? 1041 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:30,400 Do you know, Cornelius? Yes, he just I don't know why. 1042 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,559 It just reminds me of some weird porn where like the guy will be no, 1043 01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:38,760 don't you can't do this like you're my stepsister, and she's like, 1044 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,719 oh you want me to go down your pants? Oh maby, but like 1045 01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:44,679 just touch it? What like that's why he was playing that. Yeah, 1046 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:50,280 like oh and you don't know about talking ape, I do and then a 1047 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,320 Mondo accent yeah, but he's like, no, I don't. I don't 1048 01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:58,159 you tricked me. It's like, well, I don't know what to do 1049 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,280 here with you again, they should have like if they can just do this, 1050 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,039 why didn't they zappam day one? Very he tried his best. He 1051 01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:09,400 gets to drop his fucking the first animal born in the circus like twice again 1052 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,280 in this movie. So credit is very proud, very proud of that he 1053 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,159 was. And I was surprised too that, like when he signed it, 1054 01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:17,320 I was like, oh, I don't remember him sign this getting out and 1055 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,920 then obviously the truth machine came out. But then in the first time too, 1056 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,559 I thought for sure. What happens is they're like, you know you 1057 01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:28,440 better fucking say the phrase he says, like that doesn't sound like you, 1058 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:31,199 and then the apes start fighting, so they get away, but like the 1059 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,639 clubs were still like we're gonna find that fucking circus guy like they were so 1060 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,599 like I was like, oh, this is how they get away, and 1061 01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:42,000 they didn't get away. He just you know told Caesar to run, which 1062 01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:44,440 I did. Like it was like to me, a smart way of Caesar 1063 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:45,800 hides in that crate and that's how they track it down. Of the crate 1064 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,320 was listed as eight and there was nine, Like, what the fuck's going 1065 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,000 on? I thought it was like a very just like like regular world crunching 1066 01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:56,800 numbers way to figure out like, hey, if that ape is here, 1067 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,880 it's probably in the situation. They didn't need the truth machine for that, 1068 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,800 which like now that we're talking about, I'm like, man, they should 1069 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,400 have used that at like every moment of this film, like they're curious about 1070 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,639 the user just put they didn't have to shock them, you can truth machine 1071 01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:12,360 them, you know. Yeah, No, that that is a very very 1072 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:17,640 powerful weapon that they supremely underuse. That kind of tracks to uh, the 1073 01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,119 last movie when that's how all the details the second time, right, they 1074 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:24,520 hit zero with the like the truth like potion at that point or boys and 1075 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,079 whatever you want to call it. So it's like they almost like figured out, 1076 01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:30,319 like we got to do that drunk the first time they did, right, 1077 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,520 I thought. The second time they yeah, so they I kind of 1078 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,399 like that where it's like the parallel of Hey, that worked, Like that's 1079 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:42,239 fucking make a whole machine. It got the better version now straight from Apple. 1080 01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:47,720 No, So I was gonna circle back to what I was leading into 1081 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:55,560 was just like the the disjointedness from the villains, maybe just like lack of 1082 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,239 information or having information but just seems like they don't or motivation, I guess 1083 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,520 because when you have you know, to your name Travis, the damn human 1084 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,119 bastard line, like right away, they are just extremely suss and they it's 1085 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,600 like they just are always thinking about that moment nineteen years ago when these two 1086 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,520 apes. Yes, they've been waiting, yeah, and like yeah, they've 1087 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,560 literally been waiting for any ape to just say any word because every single cop 1088 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,760 there is like super super sus They're not letting Armando go with like any excuse 1089 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:26,039 that he has. They're like super super diligent. He fucking speak and like 1090 01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:29,680 I imagine other humans like what do you mean? It's like the Elvish Aragon 1091 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,720 legalist, like I'll die as one of them, but Coch like that ain't 1092 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,880 fucking speaking You're like, what do you mean it fucking spoke like they're just 1093 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,800 apes. Armando's well, you yell it out right now, like they're so 1094 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,600 sus sorry to like he should. That whole conversation could have gone so differently 1095 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,520 because Armando's say like, oh, that was me, I said it. 1096 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,640 And then he as the cops approach, he immediately is like, this is 1097 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,239 my ape. He's the first day board of the certain like he just puts 1098 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,399 the attention on Caesar, which is a big mistake. He shouldn't have this 1099 01:09:56,399 --> 01:10:00,880 this ye supper part of cold brain not so much there. As soon as 1100 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,960 he says that too, like yeah, this is oh, this is my 1101 01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:05,439 ape, first one born in the circus, the cops like a talking ape, 1102 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,600 like just as is that a trick? So from like that moment, 1103 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,560 it seemed like they were super super suss about it. And then fast forward 1104 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,119 into when he's killing just all of these challenges, you know, draws the 1105 01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:20,640 attention of even the governor wanting to purchase him for top dollar. I think 1106 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,359 it was like fifteen hundred bucks or something at the time, which is good 1107 01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:31,000 Pedallelo for inflation seventies. We do this every plenty, every every time we 1108 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,800 talk about money and bring it up. But like he seems already suss about 1109 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:41,119 that moment, and like I agree with whoever said, like it's to me, 1110 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,000 it seemed like he had suspicion right there. So he was gonna put 1111 01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:48,319 that ape that he just purchased like from the viewer kind of rooting for Caesar 1112 01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:50,720 in that moment. I was like, oh shit, like he's totally on 1113 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,359 him. This is gonna be really intense. But it just kind of goes 1114 01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:56,640 over his head. And then yeah, he pulls out the fucking name book. 1115 01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,079 Your name ape, you're gonna choose, like I feel like if it's 1116 01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,279 a dumb ape, he's gonna choose like the or and as his name, 1117 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:10,119 like just anything any word number two is my name. But he's like Caesar 1118 01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:15,560 and then he's like the name of kings, huh, and like fucking Caesar. 1119 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,039 Just he's getting But yeah, like you said, wouldn't be anything, 1120 01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:24,920 wouldn't be the and book, it wouldn't be like like it wouldn't be toasted. 1121 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,640 Like he just happen to find the one that's a capital CEA has name 1122 01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:32,479 a king. You know, it's like it they're fucking That was very disjointed 1123 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:39,359 of just like the Villain's I guess cleverness or season hundred dollars and inflation is 1124 01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:44,720 one hundred grand, one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. Yeah, so from 1125 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,319 the nineties, from seventies, from No. Nineteen seventy one, Taylor, 1126 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,439 this isn't this is seventy one though, like this is the auction in the 1127 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,119 nineties. Oh yeah, I guess the movie takes place. I guess I 1128 01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:58,640 can do that. But this does look like a very different nineties. But 1129 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,680 Okay, for fun, I will say, I will say, in nineties, 1130 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,319 what did it? Yeah, SI finities. But in the nineties it 1131 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:10,960 was credits thirty five thousand dollars, So there you go. But they're dealing 1132 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,600 with seventy The writers are writing it with seventies money. I'm telling you they're 1133 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,199 thinking about because fifteen that they're like, that's a hunder grand. That's as 1134 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:24,159 much as the truth machine. I like the part two when hecas the Governor's 1135 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,640 just suus as fuck. He's just got it. I got out for these 1136 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,680 apes when Armando is dead and McDonald is just holding like the oh, you 1137 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,640 know, the autopsy reports like suicide, nothing nothing out of the ordinary here 1138 01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:38,279 just he fell out the window and he said, oh, he fucking threw 1139 01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:41,279 himself out. He was trying to die with the truth. Like that ape 1140 01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:44,279 is talking. It's like that you got all the truth? I pretty I 1141 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,000 thought. One of the questions is do you know talking ape? And he's 1142 01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:48,920 like yes, and like, what else do you need to know? He's 1143 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,960 not gonna tell you where he is currently. He doesn't know. He's fucking 1144 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,199 that that one ape? Who like that one shocking Yeah, you know the 1145 01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:03,520 scene for she has a different and had nod first night, first night Caesars 1146 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,000 bunking up. He's like all kind of like worried, and then he sees 1147 01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:09,520 his ape. Who I'm sure it's going through a tough time, but she 1148 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,760 has the biggest guys you ever seen, giving the head and all the eyebrows, 1149 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,800 and she was like, does not give a shit anymore? That Armando 1150 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,039 could be just fucking being water bordered anything. He just happened to get his 1151 01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:26,960 dick, his ape dick wet, so you can, ladies, Yeah to 1152 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,039 the city, Caesar, where's your ape? He's fucking a female ape right 1153 01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:33,760 now? I told him to. He's a virgin. He just starts her 1154 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:40,800 feeling all this like like more mobe, what's this? What's Morpheus's uh speech? 1155 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:47,039 At the end of this let dapes fuck that's should have ended this when 1156 01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:54,840 they like had him redub some stuff, our religions, our fun fests like 1157 01:13:56,119 --> 01:14:03,279 orgies ape see, then we'll cover the line. I was like, kill 1158 01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:10,800 me, fucking just shoot me down. All their goals are just very sexual 1159 01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:15,079 because they're probably all virgins. Honestly, all those all those apes shut bananas 1160 01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:21,520 up are us. But it's great. All the rest of the apes are 1161 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,720 kind of like I think Caesars kind of losing the plot here, like we 1162 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:35,039 kind of want to just take all right guys, right girlas you know that 1163 01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:54,920 will make all the ring things ones. Oh you god, they're gonna pose 1164 01:14:54,920 --> 01:15:02,520 about thumbs on our right naps no, no too right, oh no, 1165 01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:18,800 just the quad hand the quad just oh no. Fuck. I wish I 1166 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,760 had power on my feet now. I didn't even think about all the places 1167 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:30,119 you could reach. Poor McDonald's MacDonald just trapped in a cage. Look at 1168 01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:34,680 OU's window, just seeing them orgy all over Manhattan, just like the covernor 1169 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:44,359 is right, we should have fucking killed all these aes. My that's funny. 1170 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,920 No one will judge you for prey coming just all these addendums. Yeah, 1171 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,880 mine too. I felt like we were talking about something before. What 1172 01:15:57,039 --> 01:16:00,600 were before? Well, we have the truth stuff, and then I went 1173 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:09,079 back to the villains. Just there's something between villains and jobs, right, 1174 01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:13,960 So yeah, like that was like all right, Like I was like meme 1175 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,119 wise, it was funny, but like I was actually funny because like, 1176 01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:18,479 okay, find so many likes And that's kind of like too for the first 1177 01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,680 movie, right, because they have Taylor and then they want Taylor to procreate 1178 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:27,520 with uh Nova. Yeah, at least this one has the fuck me eyes 1179 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,520 where Nova's no fucking idea what's going on. She's just like Bella backs from 1180 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,560 poor things, just like like she's just like doing stuff. So yes, 1181 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,600 I like him a little companion. And if anybody I don't know, I 1182 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,520 think again, you could have showed a bit more because at the end when 1183 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,079 she does the like the no killing off sets a reshoot. But I wish 1184 01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:47,199 in retrospect you could add some more her being a bit more I don't know 1185 01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:54,319 of a character, yeah exactly, Yeah, or psychically agree because we have 1186 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,399 like Nova, who she's not really a character in the first like she doesn't 1187 01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:01,600 have a lot going on, but Lisa, I felt like there was just 1188 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,880 cut scenes or something with her, because it kept seeming like they were gonna 1189 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:11,159 lead in a direction that you're gonna have almost like a Cornelius and oh my 1190 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,600 gosh, what's her name from the zero zero Thank you, like that type 1191 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,119 of dynamic moving forward. And by the end of the movie, like I 1192 01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:19,560 thought they were gonna be kind of the two leaders of the Apes, but 1193 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:24,600 she's just kind of dumb throughout the whole movie. And yeah, like it 1194 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,880 just seems like he like we were going in that direction because when he's starting 1195 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,800 like the riots, when he goes into like the area where all the Apes 1196 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,399 are, he just like calls out to Lisa, and of course she just 1197 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,479 at this point she doesn't fucking understand anything. Really, She just like looks 1198 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,079 at him. Then it does the zoom in on his face, which is 1199 01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:46,520 just hilarious, and he's doing the head. Yeah. So that's why even 1200 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,960 too, like if she's the one says no, just show her a few 1201 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:54,680 times where maybe for some reason she is more understanding of the humans or doesn't 1202 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,880 want like wants to be free, but doesn't want that. But until that 1203 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,000 happened, I assumed she was just in the riots fucking everybody else up too, 1204 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,159 you know, like I don't know, I didn't see much of that, 1205 01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:09,159 but she seemed like she was in that last command post room. Yeah, 1206 01:18:09,159 --> 01:18:11,640 and he preached that room. Well, didn't she get like punched or 1207 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,479 pushed down or something. That's when Caesar loses it, I think at some 1208 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,159 point too, because you know it's his new girlfriend. Is just something's happened. 1209 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:23,199 So that scene too, when they're just sieging the command posts, I 1210 01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:28,560 just I laughed so on because there's like guards already fighting apes in that room, 1211 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,439 you know, there's only a couple of them, so that the guards 1212 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,319 are winning. And then it goes to our governor and he's just freaking out. 1213 01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:34,640 He's like, all hands on deck. They're about to breach the command 1214 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,760 post, like this is this is deaf gone whatever, like this worst case 1215 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:45,960 scenario. And then he just turns to the door. How is this possible? 1216 01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:49,720 They're supposed to be so primitive, but he's just freaking out and he 1217 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:54,239 like cannot even fathom what is going on. He's like, oh, is 1218 01:18:54,279 --> 01:18:57,359 this happening right now? Give me a couple of lines, what do those 1219 01:18:57,359 --> 01:19:00,640 aliens say? And phantom menace with Qui Gons come through. You have to 1220 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,359 remember one lines, don't you. The aliens say, uh, Qui Gon's 1221 01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:11,159 cutting them through. Remember remember when they know when they close the door, 1222 01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:15,159 it is the two like racist alien types. So don't do the accent, 1223 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:18,000 but like and because yeah, they're just like, oh, it's not even 1224 01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:23,840 possible. Yeah, that's when the last Yeah, that's what that guy reminds 1225 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,399 me of. That's just that door. And then all of a sudden it's 1226 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,039 just welding and they don't have tools for this. But it's like, well, 1227 01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:32,039 like what do you think the humans are fucking welding through? But uh, 1228 01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:34,880 and then yeah, they take over and then they at one moment too, 1229 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,359 they have like in that command thing there's uh it's like some it looks 1230 01:19:40,359 --> 01:19:43,000 like a battleship, big map, like it's just a table and it's like 1231 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,279 big electronics. And when the apes crash in they're taking over. There some 1232 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:50,119 guy that just falls from like the like the side stairs and he hits that. 1233 01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:54,159 He goes right there and just looking like explodes and it's on fire. 1234 01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:58,319 It's like, fuck, you're just falling into like chords and whatever like that 1235 01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:00,680 has to have been a terrible way to go. And and then in that 1236 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,520 moment he doesn't kill the governor again because I think that's what happens. He 1237 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,399 like pushes her or something and then he has the gun he's about to but 1238 01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:10,439 and then they just kidnap him, and McDonald's just like walking around with them 1239 01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,239 like it's like, it's just it's kind of awkward because it's just like, 1240 01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:16,479 why do the apes not attack him there? I know Caesar does say no, 1241 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,680 but it's just still like I feel like they're not at that point where 1242 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,239 they can understand this is a a good human. I just felt like they 1243 01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:26,000 would have just ripped him to shreds. But again, those head nods, 1244 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,439 Caesar, he knows how to get to them. So yeah, exactly. 1245 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,239 That room, it totally reminded me of the Death Star room in a New 1246 01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:38,920 Hope when Han's on the radio with whoever the Imperial guy is, and just 1247 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,640 a lot of the aesthetic actually reminded me of that Star Wars thing, whether 1248 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,039 it's like the like the I don't know, the panels with the buttons and 1249 01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:47,600 the lights. It just seemed very Star Wars y. In certain aspects, 1250 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,399 which is funny because it's around that time, right, Like this is seventy 1251 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:55,479 two. When it starts with seventy seven, this is seventy one, so 1252 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,840 this is seven years earlier. So Lucas saw this as like, crack the 1253 01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:02,159 out, do this, it's the blueprint for it. Yeah, this is 1254 01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:04,720 actually this is why they don't go back to Earth. It's just run by 1255 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:10,079 fucking orgy apes and they're like, we can't do anything the same universe as 1256 01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:15,079 stars. I wish I could go there, but I have no venus. 1257 01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:28,119 Now I know where to nest or or tribute tom I notes we've all hit 1258 01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:30,479 one way or not that the notes. I got one interesting fact. So 1259 01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:36,840 when the previous film we see Cornelius and Zero then talking about Aldo being the 1260 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:42,640 first one. But I liked how again, it depends how you look at 1261 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,520 this and how time travel works. After watching Endgame, I liked how they 1262 01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,920 explained it where if you're from the future, you go to the past and 1263 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,479 that past is now your future. It's like a video game, like starting 1264 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,239 at a save point and doing it. And so in this sense, for 1265 01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:02,840 what was for cornel Elias and Zero's present with Aldo being the first of them 1266 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:08,319 going back and changing that the past their new future is now. Yeah, 1267 01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:13,039 it was it Caesar that was the first, So there was initially like patient 1268 01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:18,039 zero the original time that that painting, that first painting, that painting was 1269 01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:21,119 Aldo, and then every time after that the painter and the paintings, that's 1270 01:22:21,159 --> 01:22:26,000 Caesar going on again and again and again. Yeah, press the painter. 1271 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,680 Even though it's weird because you're right about that. But at the same time, 1272 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,439 if you take that movie, this origin fits the first movie better because 1273 01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,479 it's all talking about how Caesar rose up and he was the leader, right, 1274 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,760 and that's what this movie is. It's Caesar leading apes. So it's 1275 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,319 kind of weird where it's like they're putting both origins together. So and I 1276 01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:46,199 do just have a fun kick where I don't know what they would end up 1277 01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:50,079 becoming. But if it is like the Caesar that like rules over everybody, 1278 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,960 like just for some reason, Cornelis and Zero are like the parents of that 1279 01:22:55,039 --> 01:22:59,880 because it starts all over, it's kind of a fun way. So yeah, 1280 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:04,159 in that last like riot moment, well just during it, I guess 1281 01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:09,800 I really liked when you it's before like the netting of those guards. But 1282 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,720 just uh, you have like the just like the line of troops with all 1283 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,239 their guns and everything like lined up, and then like I don't think there's 1284 01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:20,119 any music or score. It's like super super quiet, and you just yeah, 1285 01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:23,960 you just have like the groups of the apes coming and yeah, it 1286 01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:28,359 was just like it's almost like Troy level when when you have like all all 1287 01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:30,640 the defenders of Troy coming and then like all all just like the soldiers marching 1288 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,720 up closer and closer. It's just it was a really nice, I guess, 1289 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:39,159 calm moment before the chaos would really ensue. And yeah, and then 1290 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:42,560 the net comes in and that's basically just the end of it for the humans. 1291 01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:45,119 A couple they get a couple of shots, but I like in a 1292 01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:48,239 weird way, when the couple of the apes got shot, the rest apes 1293 01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:51,520 like speed up and it's like fuck yeah, it does the exact opposite of 1294 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:58,479 like mom mentality right where it hits one unit of just thousands of units going. 1295 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,399 You know, the humans are just hoping, like, all we shoot 1296 01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:01,840 a couple, that'll so down, they'll break apart, but no, they 1297 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,760 just like get closer and then they're stupid, Yeah, they're not gonna get 1298 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:10,600 us. They need the apes need some of those preadternets, the ones that 1299 01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,640 pen and they start like sucking, and I think they were fine. Those 1300 01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,079 humans didn't know how to get out of a fucking net at all. That 1301 01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,720 was there no one, which I guess could happen, right, because if 1302 01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,359 you throw a net big enough one hundred people, like someone move left, 1303 01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,920 you'll move right, like a lot of that. And then the second you 1304 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,640 get out of the net, you're just getting like skull fucked by an ape. 1305 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,319 You know, like it's not all hands, all four hands skull fucking 1306 01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:36,680 at the same time. You know, two year holes, two eye holes 1307 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,000 are going to go. But that's what I mean, Like the second you 1308 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:45,439 get that net, you're exhausted and there's just apes that are here to kill 1309 01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,159 you. Five I think I'm taking my own life in that moment, Like 1310 01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:49,960 if I'm in the net, I still have my rifle on me and there's 1311 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:56,560 the apes are skull fucking my comrades next to it. I just looking. 1312 01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:04,319 This is like moments before Lisa says no and like stops the right. So 1313 01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:08,640 you're there, like you're you're in the front lines, going to fight the 1314 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,800 like hundreds of apes that started to none of us all our choice. Yeah, 1315 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,640 I don't know. I guess we just have to even then, Like 1316 01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,399 that would be us an air too, where you're not the president, just 1317 01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:21,920 the regular people of Like imagine tonight we go to bed, right and we 1318 01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:27,239 wake up and we find out that some apes came to Kolowna. They destroyed 1319 01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:30,520 everything, they killed a bunch of people. But now they've called peace and 1320 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,000 they want to make a deal with the humans. I just don't even know 1321 01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:34,800 what the mindset would because it's like, want to meet with Travis, They 1322 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,119 want to meet the members of the Geekers. We heard your jokes about the 1323 01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:42,119 Forehands. We didn't like it. We like ideas. We want to talk 1324 01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:45,520 some strokey. Yeah, but like do they take our leader's hostage or do 1325 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,239 they kill our leaders? Like no, I think they kill our leaders who 1326 01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:51,319 steps up to make the deal. I think with the ending we got, 1327 01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,079 they would go and meet with the leaders. I just still think it would 1328 01:25:55,079 --> 01:25:58,039 be so odd of. I guess in our situation would be dogs. The 1329 01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:00,680 dogs up rise and all of a sudden, like our mayor is meeting with 1330 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,079 the dogs to talk about their future. I would just be like, fuck, 1331 01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:09,199 what has happened, like what's gone down over like the past. It's 1332 01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:12,119 like because I feel like as a soldier and the government people, the government 1333 01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:14,000 people, you know what's going on, and the soldier does suck, but 1334 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,039 at least you know, Okay, this is what's happening right now from the 1335 01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:20,640 outside. If you're just getting this information like every six hours or so about 1336 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:26,359 like the update on the dogs or monkey uprising, like it's like well after 1337 01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,079 night a couple of weeks ago, but like, yeah, I'm just staying 1338 01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:30,000 an kids are going to school, like fuck, everything's getting locked up, 1339 01:26:30,039 --> 01:26:33,520 Like like the mayor's talking with a dog right now, what the like, 1340 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,399 what the fuck do we do? And and and then they're talking with the 1341 01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:40,800 dog that the night before murdered hundreds of people, you know, so to 1342 01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,039 get this meeting goes bad, Yeah, it's over for us, Like there's 1343 01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:47,840 no going back from that. Honestly, if they murder thousands of humans, 1344 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:54,039 it's just like how can that end in a say like the safest season they 1345 01:26:54,079 --> 01:26:56,920 could because I feel like, yeah, you can make a deal, but 1346 01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,279 like there's always gonna be that that just hatred towards them, and then obviously 1347 01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:04,279 the humans would be uprising against them eventually, and that's why I'm interested, 1348 01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:08,199 because I remember the least. But from what I remember Battle, that's why 1349 01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:11,319 I don't like it, because even with this ending, I think it does 1350 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:14,680 just pick up an Apes and humans are just living together as societies. I 1351 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,199 just go like, well, yes, no to that, because apparently I 1352 01:27:18,199 --> 01:27:21,239 think I was going through some stuff and this is attached to me all those 1353 01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:24,880 things. But in the first point of the Apes, Zias mentions in the 1354 01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:29,239 Cave sequence that Apes kept humans's pets for a while until Apes. That's not 1355 01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:30,359 the way it is. I don't think in Battle. I think in Battle 1356 01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:34,000 they literally have like a government. Well I thought that there was like a 1357 01:27:34,279 --> 01:27:36,960 like a legislation of them, but I'm pretty sure they had them still like 1358 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,079 a cage. To a slight degree, they had them restricted. But we'll 1359 01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:44,479 know when we were watching. Yeah, Because like I said, I think 1360 01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:49,159 that's Ronny mcdoally's back of Caesar and that I think there's one storyline Jesus that 1361 01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:53,560 is good, but the rest of it's just kind of mishmosh. And then 1362 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,119 also after that we'll get to the Timber and remake. So I'm excited to 1363 01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:00,319 revisit that because that's the one out of all the films I'm the least uh 1364 01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,680 or I'm the most fuzzy on I just well, it's like it's like a 1365 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,479 It's it's funny because it takes place way in the future. I think his 1366 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,239 name's Lawgiver is just kind of telling them like, hey, this is in 1367 01:28:11,359 --> 01:28:15,840 the past with Caesar and whatnot. No, Caesar's round he is, but 1368 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,520 it's it starts off where there's like a bunch of small apes and I think 1369 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,880 there's even a human children and it's Lawgiver, which is speculate he's going to 1370 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,319 be in Kingdom Planet of the Apes. But he's like, here, let 1371 01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:28,760 me tell you a tale of Caesar or whatever back in the day. Yeah, 1372 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,600 and I think it's big on the whole. Ape doesn't kill Ape, 1373 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,760 like the start of that rule and everything. Yeah, Cornelius, fucking Golden 1374 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:39,840 Egg, there are you violent? Well, ape doesn't kill Hape man, 1375 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:47,279 Cornials just walked out. You fucking killed that meeting man. Yeah, I 1376 01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:54,199 can't wait another thing with the riot that I don't know. I kind of 1377 01:28:54,279 --> 01:28:57,119 was just by this point I was kind of over it, but just all 1378 01:28:57,159 --> 01:29:00,600 the other apes just being able to just yeah, wield these rifles without like 1379 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,760 any training in there. They're so useless pouring a glass of water or combing 1380 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:09,239 someone's hair or just working at a fucking hot grill with the flames. They're 1381 01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:12,840 terrified of flames, that's for sure. But they're just ready to shoot fire 1382 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,000 out of a gun like no training whatsoever. They getumation man's freedom. You 1383 01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:21,880 gotta learn quick, like what's stopping them from just accidently shooting? Fucking Caesar, 1384 01:29:23,039 --> 01:29:25,960 you know, lost a feel along the way, for sure. A 1385 01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,560 couple of test rounds didn't go well. They didn't know his burst fire mode. 1386 01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,800 It just yeah, took out a few. That's I think it was 1387 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,920 more believable when you have them, uh just using their hand combat. But 1388 01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:39,760 yeah, and I guess I could believe it a bit. It's just it's 1389 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,079 just a trigger, right, you just have to pull on. What Caesar 1390 01:29:42,119 --> 01:29:45,000 shows them how to hold the guns, I guess like they're probably does there, 1391 01:29:45,359 --> 01:29:47,359 Yeah, because he does do like a like it's very it's not like 1392 01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:49,920 a training sequence, but he has the gun and he does that he hands. 1393 01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:57,640 Yeah, and I imagine their acriate accuracy percentage isn't great, but you 1394 01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,479 know that you're taking what you can get out of stew numbers on the action 1395 01:30:01,319 --> 01:30:05,600 listen maybe twenty twenty one, but I got better now. But I just 1396 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:10,039 feel that you're just gonna have to do it right because this or nothing. 1397 01:30:10,119 --> 01:30:13,119 So you just got to hope they hit something, and like I was hoping 1398 01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:15,520 that it was just Caesar with the rifle, which it was for the majority 1399 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:16,920 of the riot, but later on, yeah, it's just everybody has it, 1400 01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:20,239 and it was like, okay, whatever. Fuck. There's that one 1401 01:30:20,279 --> 01:30:25,279 scary moment where Caesar like tricks a couple of guards to run after him, 1402 01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:28,960 and then because remember it's like the two walls and there's like a group of 1403 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,920 apes behind both walls, and then Sears just runs up. Oh yeah, 1404 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,119 and then they run after him, and then those apes just like swallow all 1405 01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:39,880 those guards that would be I saw the one with it literally had a meat 1406 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,840 cleaver. One of the apes like that was like hold that appeared early. 1407 01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,760 I was just gonna mention that too. When Caesar's like it cuts to him 1408 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,640 in his underground resistance and they're bringing him weapons and stuff, and you see 1409 01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:54,319 this one gorilla with the fuck the meat fucking cleaver and hands. It's Caesar 1410 01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:57,600 and he's like nodding. Yes. It's like this is a fuck you know 1411 01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,239 what that's gonna be doing. He taught them all everything. Yeah, he 1412 01:31:00,279 --> 01:31:09,840 taught him later later, not for them. I did also think it was 1413 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,680 bold too that they put Caesar down there and like first in the job, 1414 01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,560 he's talking these apes, he show them stuff. I thought, like, 1415 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,359 there's no human down here to fucking watch these monkeys. See, nothing's going 1416 01:31:19,359 --> 01:31:24,640 on in it. Right, it's the government's basement, right, the governor's 1417 01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,199 basement, the building, like that government building, Spaseman. I just thought, 1418 01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:31,039 there's not one fucking camera in that room. Little on, I don't 1419 01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:34,119 know. I wasn't invented yet. Yeah, they spent all their money on 1420 01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:39,199 the truth machine in the state age. Yeah, in this day and age, 1421 01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:42,359 you only had seven to twenty p but no one can tell fucking lie. 1422 01:31:42,399 --> 01:31:45,079 Ever, every house in America has the fucking truth machine. Yeah, 1423 01:31:45,159 --> 01:31:56,960 like yeah, just just couples cook in the church, uh, anything else 1424 01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:03,359 specifically for a do tria. That's all I got. An original shit original 1425 01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:09,039 SCRIPTUREFT showed more of the rapid evolution of the apes from primitive to intelligent, 1426 01:32:09,119 --> 01:32:12,479 and showed the progression of the apes from pens to slaves. They they had 1427 01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,600 that, but they probably cut it for budgetary and that probably would add some 1428 01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,479 time because they were I don't know how long Battle is, but I'm gonna 1429 01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,239 guess it's probably the same. These three movies are all like an hour and 1430 01:32:20,279 --> 01:32:23,600 a half, but that was the plan. I guess there is a script 1431 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:28,279 that had showing how they got to this point. This is the only film 1432 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,159 of the original Plumb the eph series that was not rated G and the only 1433 01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:36,000 entry release without a pre title sequence. The reasoning for this is the opening 1434 01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:41,119 was deemed too violence and the producer wanted to avoid an R rating. The 1435 01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:44,600 opening showed a police on the night patrol shooting an escaped h and ape and 1436 01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,359 discovering his body covered in welps bruises that are evidence of severe abuse. They 1437 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,560 the Governor McDonald referred to this in the final acts, so they do talk 1438 01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,000 about some sort of monkey that has bruises. So there was a scene that 1439 01:32:56,039 --> 01:33:00,000 they referred to got cut. That and many other bloody images were deleted at 1440 01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:01,520 for the pre release of the print was shown to a preview audience. The 1441 01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,960 opening scene appears in Normalization and the comic book on the November two thousand and 1442 01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:10,560 eight Blu Ray un raided version restored many of those graphic scenes, but not 1443 01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,439 the pre credit opening. After the film was re edited, some shots the 1444 01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:17,399 lead opening were used in a later scene added Caesar captured at night. Probably 1445 01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,960 the reason for the opening was never resurrected on the disk, so it sounds 1446 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:23,800 like there is a version out there where they got to find some of that 1447 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,880 radar stuff, but that opening has kind of lost to time. So there 1448 01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:31,000 was a whole setup of eight brutality and the Apes just shooting down somebody and 1449 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:36,680 everything. So of all the Planet Apes, even the revivals, this had 1450 01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:42,479 the smallest budget. Jay Lee Thompson was supposed to have directed the first Planet 1451 01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,920 the Apes movie, but he was unavailable. Consequently, he or consequentially he 1452 01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,319 did the last two. So he does this one and then he does Battle 1453 01:33:48,319 --> 01:33:54,199 Coming Up. Let's see. The director tried to frame every shot as wide 1454 01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:58,279 as possible and use primary colors of black and red, durm their voult to 1455 01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:01,079 conceal the subpart, make eight makeup, and make it appear as though there's 1456 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:05,000 hundreds of Apes clashings throughout the city, when actually it was only dozens of 1457 01:34:05,039 --> 01:34:10,079 apes using a few blocks. Uh, there's two of these that I thought 1458 01:34:10,079 --> 01:34:14,560 were very stupid. Uh. One just said on screen body count. Okay, 1459 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,359 I guess, so that makes sense that on screen body count fifty nine, 1460 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,880 making it the most violent eight film. I said, it's a cheek 1461 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,159 because you know. And two they talk about that the whole world exploded, 1462 01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:25,479 but I guess they said on screens that's fine. And then this is just 1463 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,319 a call IMDb trivia. I don't know who added this ad. This is 1464 01:34:28,359 --> 01:34:31,359 like a fucking dummy, but that's fine. Uh. The only original, 1465 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,720 well the only one of the original five Plant Apes movies not to have a 1466 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:41,800 chimpanzee character named Cornelius. Well, yeah, because Canarialis died last movie. 1467 01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:45,159 Luckily, on IMDb you can like thumbs up and thumbs down, lots pep 1468 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:46,840 thumb down. It's like trivinal. But it's like, yeah, it'd be 1469 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,720 very odd if Caesar just met another ape named Cornelius that was not his dad, 1470 01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,439 and Cornelis wasn't all of other movies, so it's just like, what 1471 01:34:54,560 --> 01:35:00,159 is this show only one a not of Yeah? Whatever, So mister Patzer 1472 01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:10,199 week final thoughts and a rating. Yeah, final thoughts. I I don't 1473 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:13,199 know if I'm ever gonna watch this movie again. I feel like I don't 1474 01:35:13,239 --> 01:35:16,800 know in the future if I do the whole Planet of the Apes retro on 1475 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:24,359 my own again, another another another episode, Like I don't know. There's 1476 01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:28,319 just not a lot in here that's pulling me towards I feel like the overall 1477 01:35:28,359 --> 01:35:31,279 story, like I was mentioning earlier, it definitely has potential and I can 1478 01:35:31,319 --> 01:35:34,560 see or I guess I could ask you, like, is Planet of the 1479 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:38,640 Apes the book? Is it just the first book or sorry, the first 1480 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,319 movie? Yeah? I think so, Yeah, Okay, Like I feel 1481 01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:45,760 like if this was a novel, this could actually be a lot more interesting. 1482 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,600 It's just maybe like the limitations of the you know, the technology of 1483 01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,199 their time, it makes it a little bit dated. And if I want 1484 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:55,119 to watch this story, I think I'm just a lot more likely to watch 1485 01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:59,359 Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which obviously that's the more modern Caesar 1486 01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:03,119 telling. But I do like what was shown here, just some goofy, 1487 01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:09,000 just some goofy human characters that kind of bring it down and just some inconsistencies 1488 01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:12,920 there. And like, I just really didn't like the first act either, 1489 01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:16,279 where it's there's really not a lot of talking, especially for our apes, 1490 01:36:16,319 --> 01:36:20,960 and I feel like that kind of makes me not as invested in his particular 1491 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,439 story at least at that point of the movie. And like it's really not 1492 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:29,880 until like halfway through that he is talking quite a bit. And even then, 1493 01:36:30,119 --> 01:36:31,439 like this is probably the movie that has the least amount of talking because 1494 01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:34,199 we don't have we don't have like the two apes that can talk to to 1495 01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:39,239 go back and forth with ye like we do in the other ones. So 1496 01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:43,479 yeah, I still think it's it's a pass for sure, of just of 1497 01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:49,000 like the maybe like the pull. It's not even really like the political issues. 1498 01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:53,239 It's just like the class issues, I guess, of like like where 1499 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:58,039 the apes are just these slaves in this story here, Like I do find 1500 01:36:58,039 --> 01:37:02,039 that interesting of a story to tell, and just kind of I guess the 1501 01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:05,159 parallels to the first movie as well make it make it interesting there. But 1502 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:12,359 yeah, for rating, I don't even know, Like what did I give 1503 01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:15,000 Beneath. I don't know what I gave beneath. This will definitely be above 1504 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,239 Beneath. I feel like I might have failed Beneath. Actually, hindsight, 1505 01:37:18,319 --> 01:37:21,520 I feel like I thought we might. I think Tata might passed beneath, 1506 01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:26,319 but I think I thought we fail beneath. I think I'll give this one 1507 01:37:26,359 --> 01:37:30,760 like a like a six six out of ten. I think that's I think 1508 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:38,720 it's appropriate. I don't know where I am with this this one, because 1509 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:45,199 there's there's definitely aspects of it. I guess it's weird. Here's the best 1510 01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:45,920 way to pose. And this is where I so don't even know with my 1511 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,680 rankings. I think Escape is a better movie, but I like this one 1512 01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:54,479 more, and I always will say, like, there's aspects to what I 1513 01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,359 like. But I think for me it's just a third act. But again, 1514 01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,680 because the last little bit ending changes that kind of gets a ding, 1515 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,159 even though my whole life I've just remembered as a dark ending, and then 1516 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,399 when I watched it as an adult, go oh, they really just like 1517 01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:09,319 copped out and didn't do that. So I think I just need a version 1518 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,439 where he makes that speech and then it cuts that building on fire and then 1519 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:17,079 boom. So I really don't know, but I enjoy some of the politics. 1520 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:20,760 I enjoy the Caesar character. There is some differences to Cornelis do because 1521 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:26,119 Cornelius much more stuck up like Cornelis wouldn't have been fucking like riding in the 1522 01:38:26,119 --> 01:38:28,000 streets and sting. And that's what I think about it too. It's just 1523 01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:30,760 kind of he is forced to do that. But it's such a sad way 1524 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,439 because like both Cornelis and Zero are talked about how much they're so against violence, 1525 01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,760 so they don't want to go that route. Cut to twenty years later 1526 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,000 and their son is just in the streets having apes kill everybody like it's a 1527 01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:43,199 it's a sad sort of tail. So I think I'm gonna get this the 1528 01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:45,560 exact same scores of Skate with an eight. And I don't know, because 1529 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:51,960 I think I think that is a even what the ending I know doesn't deserve 1530 01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:55,600 really an eight. I don't know because that doesn't fit the whole thing. 1531 01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,640 But maybe I'll give it still like a seven point seventy five actually, just 1532 01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:01,359 because like I think the ending does bring it down a little bit, just 1533 01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,359 those very the re edit there. If it was that original one that just 1534 01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:08,399 a fall and Dark, it would be an eight. But yeah, these 1535 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,960 two are really really close. Because Escape is a better movie. I don't 1536 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,640 know if i'd watch as much, But then I do like Zero and cornelas 1537 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,399 together. It's always great to have them. So yeah, these are pretty 1538 01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:23,680 equivalent to me. So yeah, I'll give it a seven point seven five. 1539 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:30,640 Mister Field, Oh yeah, I think looking retrospect at everything and just 1540 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,800 getting to see this film, like I alluded to earlier, being that this 1541 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,119 is the turning point, This is where the Apes make their move on humanity 1542 01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:42,319 after so much dialogue of just like, hey, this is the event that 1543 01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:44,680 happened at some point, Yeah, the Apes took over. Yeah, yeah, 1544 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,560 yeada to get this. It was really cool to see. I probably 1545 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:53,039 would go I'd probably give it like a seven out of ten. And I 1546 01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:57,560 watching it now that I'm older, I enjoyed it more than watching when I 1547 01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,000 was younger. I would say, I think when I was I definitely enjoyed 1548 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,560 like escape as you get apes and like the world we're familiar with escape, 1549 01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:09,800 this is yeah, and this is just such a dystopian setting, just to 1550 01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:15,119 see humanity having changed and transitioned over twenty years to this dictator police country and 1551 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:19,520 now it's just on the brink of collapse and here we are and the cusp 1552 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,800 of that. So I think that it's it does some things very interestingly and 1553 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,680 I like that at parallels certain things we've seen in the other films as well, 1554 01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,359 like you've mentioned with certain characters like Nova and then whatever the chick ape's 1555 01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:35,760 name is. I can't remember whatever zero zero not zero no, no, 1556 01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:41,880 no, the other one, Lisa. Yeah. Yeah. So it's uh 1557 01:40:42,319 --> 01:40:45,960 a seven out of ten for me. There you go. Well, next 1558 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:50,279 week we finish off the final chapter of the original series, the fifth movie, 1559 01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:55,239 Battle for the Plan, the Apes, that'll be closing out the you 1560 01:40:55,239 --> 01:40:58,279 know, Charlton Heston's start of it all. And then after that we got 1561 01:40:58,279 --> 01:41:01,039 the Tim Burn remake, and then we moved the Circus film. So it's 1562 01:41:01,039 --> 01:41:03,119 gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun to say goodbye to this. It's 1563 01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:06,399 gonna be fun to take a little dip into the Burden world and then we 1564 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:10,720 get to get into some high quality stuff. So, ladies and gentlemen, 1565 01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:14,279 thank you very much for tuning in. Of course, as always, if 1566 01:41:14,279 --> 01:41:16,920 you have seen any opinions, even questions too, if it's a question about 1567 01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,600 this movie, we'll happily answer them all. Like the next retro and stuff. 1568 01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:21,399 We don't have to big oh no, sorry, mister Timm you know, 1569 01:41:21,399 --> 01:41:25,239 because it's not the same but thoughts, reviews, anything like that let 1570 01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:28,399 us know. Thank you very much for tuning in. We will see you 1571 01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:33,640 at Battle for the planet Apes and will not be boring. No