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All right, Well, welcome again to

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the podcast. Today's episode, we're
gonna be looking at a couple questions.

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The first one is dealing with electric
clothes dryers and some confusion that a gentleman

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has based on other educators publications,
and that can happen. It can get

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confusing. Again, if you're in
social media, people will post something maybe

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from the one educator, then they'll
post something from another, and if they're

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wrong, then that will propagate incorrect
information. And that's what's starting to take

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our learning process downhill. And so
again, not that I'm to say I'm

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the only source for education. That
is not what Paul is saying. Okay,

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well, that is not what Paul
is saying. Paul's just saying when

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I put something out there, typically
I'm only putting it out there because I'm

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knowledgeab about the subject and I want
to make sure that I'm propagating positive,

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accurate information to the consumer. That's
what oppen my members, my followers,

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people that learn from us, like
me or hate me, maybe just personally

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you don't like me, and that's
fine too, okay. And never got

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into this industry to make friends,
Okay, I'm just an educator. So

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and I'm a master electrician overall,
that's the most that I'm proud of.

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Don't care about anything else. Okay, let's go on and look at this

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question. So this question was submitted
and it says, Hey, Paul,

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I've been listening to your podcast while
preparing to take my Washington Administrator's test.

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It's based on the twenty twenty NEC. Could you please explain dryers in a

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little more detail for me, I
am getting confused on when to follow the

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name plate if they are under five
kW, instead of bumping them up to

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five kW as a minimum for the
dwelling calculation. My understanding of two twenty

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fifty four is that I should use
the name plate rating or five kW,

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whichever is higher, for calculating the
dryer no matter what. But many of

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the resources I found, including the
ray Holder calculation exam prep do it with

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the nameplate no matter what. Then
I go through other exam prep books like

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the one from Tom Henry, and
they say five kW or the nameplate,

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whichever's largest, like I interpret the
twenty twenty codebook. Am I overthinking it?

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Or am I missing something important?
Okay? Are you ready? You're

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missing something important? Why the hell
aren't you studying with my program instead of

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those people's programs, because in my
program, I'm going to guarantee you that

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you get it right. Okay.
So anyway, that's your first mistake.

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You're using somebody else. Why are
you using somebody else? We have the

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best NEC learning programs, in my
opinion, in the country, and from

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somebody that has served on multiple code
making panels and has been the top gun

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by one of the other leading educators
in the country, trusts me. I'm

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going to spend the time teaching you
right in our program, but you also

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get to come to Wednesday nights to
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where else are you going to get
that? Okay? So all that money

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you've invested in those other resources,
you could have gotten our program in Boom,

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you'd have had that answer by now, okay, But we're going to

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answer your question. Okay. So
first thing I'm going to assume what's happening

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in these other publications. In all
fairness, great educators both are is that

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I think when you're looking at it, you're possibly seeing where one is talking

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about the optional method for calculating electric
clothed dryers, and one is talking about

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the traditional standard we call it standard
method or part three method, and the

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optional method is part four. I
think it's what's happening is you're getting the

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two confused, and most exams,
if you're preparing for an exam, most

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of exams are going to be based
on the standard method, which is part

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three of article two twenty unless they
tell you that to use the optional which

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is part four in the standard method. What you're going to be at two

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twenty fifty four, I'm going to
read you what it says verbal datum.

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It says the load for household electric
clothed dryers in a dwelling unit shall be

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either five thousand watts which is synonymous
also means voltampires for this case in this

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calculation, or the name plate rating, whichever is larger for each dryer served.

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Okay, so what that means is
if the dryer, if you're doing

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a standard calculation, and that's what
you're gonna use unless they state otherwise.

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They have to tell you to use
the optional if they want you to just

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use the name plate. So if
you're if it's a standard calculation, Part

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three calculation, then you're going to
use five thousand or the name plate,

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whichever is greater, and that's it. So if the the closed dryer is

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forty five hundred watts, then you're
going to use five thousand. Okay,

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if the closed dryer is fifty five
hundred watts, then you're going to use

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fifty five hundred because the name plate
would be greater than the five thousand.

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So that is if you're using the
standard method. Now when it comes to

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the optional method, that's where you
can we'll talk just for a dwelling unit,

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just a single dwelling unit application,
although applies everywhere else as well.

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If you look at it under two
twenty dot eighty two and you look under

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B for general loads, then you're
gonna notice that B three says the name

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plate rating of the following in subdivision
C says closed dryers that are not connected

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to the laundry circuit specified in two
twenty dot eighty two B two, and

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that was the twenty amp laundry circuit. So the closed dryer typically would not

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unless maybe it's gas and it's just
simply powered into that twenty amp circuit to

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supply. But it's gas. As
far as hot operas so that's just an

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example of when that would take place. So it's just a normal h closed

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dryer electric closed dryer, then you're
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So if it was forty five hundred, you're going to use forty five hundred,

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If it's fifty five hundred, you're
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So that is when you're using two
twenty dot eighty two, and that is

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under part four, and that's when
you're using the optional method. So I

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think when you're probably looking at these
two educators, one of them, you're

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probably in the area where it's talking
about the standard method, which is typically

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on an exam unless they state otherwise
that's the default, and then the other

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one is talking about the optional method, and under the optional method, that

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is where you typically are going to
take the nameplate. Hopefully that clears that

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question up for you again. As
always, thanks for sending in your question.

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I'm sure there's other people that maybe
I wondered about that question as well

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in the past, so I'm glad
we could clear that up for you again.

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As always, if you have a
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question pertaining to the episode, and
then it can ask your question. Be

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very clear which code cycle you're working
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from cycle to cycle, and we
want to make sure that we're always giving

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you the most accurate information that we
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area. All right, all right, let's move on to another question.

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All right, folks, so let's
see the next question we have, and

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this is a pretty long one,
so bear with me here. So this

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one says, sir big fan,
the rule in question is two thirty seventy

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one. A link below is a
mic Holt discussion for your reference. Okay,

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it says. The product in question
is below. It's an eaten two

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hundred ant panel with two one hundred
ant breakers. I included the link to

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the product. So what he did
was is I've already looked at the picture.

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So this is one of those double
stack meters that have the two meters

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on the left and on the right
has the two separate breakers. Okay,

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which outside these would be you know, these would be the disconnects and the

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service disconnect right here, right,
so they're right there, all in that

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meter socket, all in the same
enclosure there. Okay. So you have

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a meter, a meter on the
left, and then on the right you

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have separate vertical channel and it has
a breaker for the top meter and a

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breaker for the bottom meter. So
those are your service disconnects right there,

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and then everything out of that is
the feeder. So that's what he showed.

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Okay. So that is a an
eaten two hundred ant panel with two

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separate compartments with one hundred ant breaker
in each compartment. That's what image that

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he gave me. Okay, So
that's the kind of painting you that mental

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picture of what he's got going on. Okay, it's says, Okay,

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the California Electric Code section is in
the link below, and I'm not going

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to go look that up because basically
they're really pretty much referring to the NEC

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so I'm not going to Obviously this
is a podcast, so we don't need

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to go there. He says.
I'm a building department's supervisor for the jurisdiction

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in Southern California. One of my
inspectors saw this rule in the NEC handbook

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and brought it to my attention after
he did an inspection after looking at the

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Mike Coult video. I would like
your thoughts and commentary. Okay, if

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this is accurate that the two disconnects
cannot be in the same vertical segment of

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the panel to protect the installer or
maintainer from live parts, then we would

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like to put out an advisory to
our contractors to ensure their panels are compliant.

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Okay, this is going to be
important to understand terminology because he says

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vertical segment and the picture that he
expressed me wasn't a we say, the

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vertical section we were it wasn't It
wasn't a switchboard, Okay. It was

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just a meter what do we call
a meter center with two meters and on

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the right side it had a breaker
in the top and a break in about

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a one breaker for each meter right
and it was to the right, so

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that meant that you had the bus
for the meter was on the left and

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then the bus continued off of that
over to the right section, and that

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meant you had a breaker at the
top and a breaker in the bottom.

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Right Now, there is also a
barrier between the top and the bottom breaker.

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Okay, so it's two separate compartments. But that is not the vertical

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segment that he's referring to. That
is in the code. Okay, now

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let me go on and read a
little more. Here it says we looked

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at the paneling question and this is
the case in most panels the dissindex are

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in the same vertical section. This
is a big deal for the manufacturer and

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our customers who will be removing and
replacing panels. The key verbage is vertical

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section and separate compartment. Your answer, you answered one of my questions before,

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and relatively quickly, I might add, so that is much appreciated.

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I look forward to your commentary.
And of course he gave me some links

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over to the various references that he's
talking about. Okay, so first thing

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I'm going to do really quickly is
I'm going to change my code cycle to

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twenty twenty to answer your question.
And we're going to go and you should

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too if you're following along so I
can read it. We're going to two

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thirty dot seventy one. Now,
two thirty dot seventy one is specific to

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the maximum number of disconnects, and
it's two thirty seventy one is broken into

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an A and a B in the
twenty twenty edition of the National Electrical Code.

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Now I always tell people, make
sure you tell me the code cycle

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in but he told me it's California. So I know that they're now testing

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on the twenty twenty. So let's
we have to make sure that we stick

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in the right code cycle. So
I'm gonna go with the twenty twenty.

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So now let's read what he's talking
about. So the first thing we're talking

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about is the two to six service
disconnects are permitted in each service permitted by

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two thirty two. All right,
So what you've got is that what changed

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for the twenty twenty is that you
could not have the two to six disconnects

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in a single cabinet. You still
can do that with a feeder because you

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could turn the feeder off upstream and
isolate the downstream cabinet. Okay, Now,

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this was very common in data centers. This is very common in industrial

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applications where they hit one big cabinet
and have up to six of these breakers

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in there. Okay, it's very
common for that to take place. Well,

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in the twenty twenty code, you
no longer can do that. You

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can't have one cabinet. Uh.
And for people out there, let me

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paint you this mental picture. This
would be like hitting a main lug only

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panel and then having the service disc
next being the up to the six individual

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breakers that are in there. And
that was previously to twenty twenty that was

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that was acceptable, okay, So
in this case in the twenty twenty that

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is not acceptable. That was removed. That was changed for the twenty twenty

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edition. So here's what it says
now for the twenty twenty it says two

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to six service disc next shall be
permitted for each service permitted by two thirty

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dot two, or for each set
of service entrance conductors permitted by two thirty

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dot forty exception one, three,
four or five. The two to six

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service disc NICKT means shall be permitted
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the following. So it used to
be allowed in here again to have one

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single cabinet, And think of the
cabinet is what you put a panel board

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into, that's what you mount your
breakers on. Okay. To paint you

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that mental picture, you used to
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in there and that would serve as
your service and that would be your two

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to six service disconnect application. Well, that's no longer allowed, so here's

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your options. Number one is I
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disconnecting means in each enclosure. So
I could have a six separate up to

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six separate disconnects that are rated for
uses service equipment and they have a breaker

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in there, and I could have
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of we can't forget to thirty seventy
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So they're all grouped in the right
same location, right, that's acceptable.

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The second option was that I can
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means in each panel board enclosure.
So I can have six up to six

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separate panels grouped in the same location. And obviously i'd have separate individual circuit

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breakers after the service disconnecting means.
Right, just because it's a panel board,

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I can have that still can have
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that's okay. Item number three says
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disconnecting in each separate vertical section where
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So this only applies to switchboards.
And I think the question that the gentleman

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is asking when he brings up vertical
section and all this, that he's confusing

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switchboards with what he has, which
what he has is a meter center.

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Ok. It just says a two
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that type of thing. So I
think that's where his confusion is for that.

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Now, a switchboard has different separate
vertical sections in it, and you

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could have a separate service disconnect in
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six and you would be okay,
and it's all inherent in the design of

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the switchboard. So that's acceptable to
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is the more pertinent to this one
here for the gentlemen, it says service

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disconnects in switch gear or the power
of that or now or metering centers,

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where each disconnect is located in a
separate compartment. So what I believe is

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in this product that on the right
side there is a barrier, and what's

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extending into each barrier is the bus
from where the meter is located. It's

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because it's all built that way,
and then so the top breaker is the

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service disconnect in the top one is
for the top meter and the one in

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the bottom is for the underneath that
is for the bottom meter. So they're

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in separate quote compartments, right,
and if that's the case, then they

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comply with two thirty seventy one B
four. Okay, So I think that's

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what's going on. Now. What's
interesting about this is that it obviously generated

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a pretty neat discussion, and what
happens is you can actually go over and

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look at the change in the twenty
twenty three edition of the NEEC and you

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will see that they expanded that even
more for simplicity and trying to get the

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message across. So that's definitely was
explained a little bit better in the twenty

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twenty three edition of the NEEC.
So I hope that answers that question for

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you, and thank you for the
question. Again. Always, if people

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have follow ups to this question,
you know what you can do. You

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can always go to Paul avinaty dot
com, let me know what episode you're

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commenting on and give me a brief
summary of what you're asking a question about,

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and then be sure to ask your
own question, and because I don't

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want to go back and rewatch.
I mean, I have over a thousand

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podcasts episodes out there. I am
not going back and rewatching to see what

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I said, because again I do
these off the cuff. I don't study

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and prepare for them. This is
what my life is. This is what

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I do every day. Is I
eat, sleep, and breathe code all

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the time. So you know,
I'm still eat up with it. I

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love it. I love this trade. I love what Electrician stands for,

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and so it does offend me when
I see people not taking it as serious

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as I do. But I get
life is short. You gotta do what

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you gotta do to enjoy life.
But again, this is what I love

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to do. So so anyway,
that's what we have for that question.

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But make sure if you're going to
do a follow up, give us all

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the information you can so I can
make an educated follow up response. All

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right, So let's see here if
we've got another question of the day's episode.

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All right, So the last question
we have is a in My wife

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has triggered this one. Darlene Is. If you don't know Darling Is,

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she's the VP of operations here.
She keeps everything running on the day to

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day basis of everything, shipping stuff
out, everything that she does. She

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keeps it all going, and she
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she sent me one of these questions
that she flagged that says, Hey,

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Paul, I follow your podcast religiously. I love everything that you do.

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I'm a master electrician in multiple states, but I want to continually continue to

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learn. Okay, that's great,
That's exactly how you should be. I

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have apprentices and electricians that work under
me, and they always ask me,

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other than the National Electrical Code,
what other learning program do I recommend to

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help further their career and to get
a better understanding of basic electrical theories and

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concepts. Any advice you can give
would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Okay, well, thank you for
that. So if you're already lie and

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you're not just taking our NEC course
to get a better understanding of the NEC.

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One of the things that I tell
people that they really need to focus

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in their career on why they're learning
is article two fifty and article two fifty

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and then article two hundred dealing with
grounded conductors in the in the in the

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confusion that people have between grounded,
grounding, bonded, bonded, all those

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type of things. Equipment grounding conductors
serving both the grounding and a bonding purpose.

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Instead of arguing that an equipment grounding
conductor should be called equipment bonding conductor,

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rather than argue it, embrace the
concept of what the conductor actually does

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all those type of things. So
for me, probably my biggest passion obviously

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is dealing with Article two fifty.
Not just because I serve on code making

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Panel five. It's because I'm always
enamored at the grounding and bonding and the

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fact that even when you do electrical
wrong and you bond things and do things

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wrong, it still works. The
only problem is that it creates potential hazards

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that are sitting there waiting like a
ticking time bomb. The beautiful thing about

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electricity is it again when people say, what does electricity take the path of

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least resistance. Now, the electricity
takes all paths they're available. The amount

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of current that travels is proportional to
the impedance of that path. So a

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low impedance path is going to allow
more current to flow. It's going to

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allow the overcurrent devices to operate.
Okay, it's going to allow current to

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flow so that you get an imbalance
for GFCI devices to function. All these

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type of things and all of it
is a fundamental understanding of grounding and bonding.

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So for me, one of my
passions has always been talking about Article

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two fifty. There is simply still
stuff in there that blows my mind.

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And then we have some great members
on Code Panel five that their specialty is

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in high resistive grounding and all this
kind of stuff that are really Eric Stromberg,

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who's who loves that kind of thing
and he really lives in that world.

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There's just so many people. We've
got Joe Andre who you know,

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works with the raceway manufacturers as their
representative for steel tube, and he's got

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such a knowledge of steel tube.
And so I'm just a sponge when I

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sit there. I'm a wiring cable
guy and a general code guy. And

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I sit in there with these these
people. And you got the people that

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actually serve for different like et L
and U L who do have a lot

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of testing and and then you get
to listen to their understanding of testing with

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grounding and bonding and all. And
it's just to be able to sit in

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that room and comment when I comment, or chime in when I chime in.

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It's just been great for the last
you know, I guess ten years

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that I've been doing that for that
code panel. So it's it's I enjoy

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doing it. But if I had
to give advice to any electrician that's already

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licensed, I would say get our
Grounding and Bonding Program the twenty twenty three

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edition. Doesn't matter which cycle you're
on as far as your state the grounding

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and Bonding principles. You always want
to stay up to date on that because

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we're always changing it every three years, clarifying things, writing it a little

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bit better. You definitely want to
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for this episode of the Let's Ask
Paul. Until next time, Stay safe,

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god bless, and remember you can
submit any questions you want to me

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over at Paul Abernathy dot com and
it will either be answered in an upcoming

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