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yeah, yeah, Olly, welcome
to Thor's Day. I think it's the

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twenty fourth day in fact of August
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that thing we call a calendar.
And this is the Ocelli effect. I'm

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not even gonna say this is the
show you're looking for anymore, because I

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don't know what you're looking for out
there. It's getting confusing, as is

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much of the rest of the world. But we're gonna straighten some of that

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confusion out tonight with the guy behind
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The War State and of course Why
the Vietnam War, which is the first

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in a series of books on that
conflict. In our one and lately I

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haven't been doing an hour or two, but tonight, you know, no

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rules anyway, I'm just going to
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just so happens I got an old
school o'chelli effect going on, because in

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the second hour, I've got Larry
Hancock, the author and a very interesting

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guy in general. Learned about a
bunch of things, and I'm not even

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fully certain about the topic that we're
going to cover, but we are going

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to get to some questions that we're
asked. This week, two different people

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actually hit on almost exactly the same
question, So there must be something going

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on in JFK Land. And I
don't plan on covering JFK for that entire

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hour with Larry, so I guess
we'll have to see what happens. And

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when it comes to Mike Swanson being
the no go to Wall Street Window dot

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com, that's for sure. But
I don't even know what the hell we're

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gonna cover tonight. I mean,
I guess I'll start off by asking Mike

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how he's doing, and then after
that I'm gonna ask him about those debates,

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which I watched twice last night.
One time I wasn't feeling too well

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and the second time I felt better. And I even recorded parts of it

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because I think we're gonna have to
go over some of it tomorrow night,

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and I plan on doing that.
So Mike, first of all, how

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you doing. You watched it twice? I watched it twice. Mike,

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are you going crazy? Yes?
Anyway, well you got crazy after watching

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it twice. If you weren't crazy
before, well, it was actually kind

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of entertaining. Now, you confessed
to me before we went to air that

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you watched part of it. Glad
to talk to you, by the way,

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or are you gonna be on next
week? I do need to know

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that, by the way, I'm
not exactly sure right now. It's okay

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because it might be a really interesting
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there might be some interesting stuff that
we're gonna have to discuss when you come

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back. It's just there's some stuff
that I understand that's supposed to happen that

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people include me in on that you
and I are gonna have to discuss.

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That's all I'm gonna say about it. It's this stuff that's gonna come up

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in the news. Uh. And
of course I don't know anything about Donald

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Trump's surrender in Georgia right now.
I had a little line in on that

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because he was supposed to surrender,
and I was not checking it because I

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was having other phone calls before the
show. But far as I know,

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has Trump surrendered? Do you know? I was? I mean, I

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rarely watched the news, but I
did watch that debate a few for a

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few minutes last night, and I
was flipping through the TV and they were

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showing the jail in this Fulton County, Georgia. It's jail, you know,

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a helicopter shot or a balloon shot
or whatever the shots coming from.

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Maybe it's a drone or a spaceship, but it's a shot, probably an

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overhead shot. And they're just showing
the shot on Fox, on CNN,

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on an, MSNBC, all news
stations in every building. And they said

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that he had to go in there
and he was. I watched MSNBC and

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he's gotten two lots. Yeah,
he's gotten Friday. They were cheering this

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very excited, and then on Fox
they were saying it's a setup. He's

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being victimized. That Congress is gonna
hold a probe. This guy Jim Jordan's

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probing, uh seriously into it,
and he's gonna probe and he's gonna find

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out, of course, if the
DA is somehow associate a Biden, Right,

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And that's what was on Fox,
and then on the MSNBC they're celebrating,

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well yeah, and then and then
of course you had the big debate

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last night, right, So you
had the big debate and oh wait a

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minute, you don't really go on
Twitter anymore, right, you said you're

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not gonna go on Twitter anymore.
Well, my Twitter is malfunctioned. I

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haven't done a Twitter post in twelve
months. Really. After he bought it,

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I stopped using it. I used
that as excuse to shut off my

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Twitter. Mike, Mike, you're
not supposed to And then Mike, wait,

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wait, wait, you're not supposed
to tell people you're making an excuse

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if you're making an excuse though,
Well, that's what I did, and

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it's improved my life not to use
it as much. But then, you

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know, sometimes you see links to
Twitter and then and then I'd click the

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leak and then I'd see what people
are doing on their Twitter. Okay,

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And now all of a sudden,
when I clicked these links, I can't

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see it. I can't see anything
really, and I can't log in to

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see it. So have you kin? Have you been out? Have you

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been banned from Twitter somehow? And
you don't know it. Now they're asking

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for more information. I just don't
want to give it anymore. Oh okay,

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look like they want my phone number
now. Well what's weird is yeah,

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they want the phone number now,
and I got I only recently got

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a phone, you know, that. So I didn't even have a phone

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for the longest time. I actually
have a blue checkmark on there. Now

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you paid for that word, you
earn it somehow, well, a little

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column a little column B. Because
for years they would not grant me the

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blue check mark where you had to
confirm your identity and all this kind of

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stuff. Uh, and you also
had to be a person of interest,

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you know, somebody was a public
figure, and technically speaking, I'm a

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public figure because I do this publicly, right, So yeah, for a

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long time they wouldn't grant it to
me, and now they have and uh

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yeah, okay, so he's got
me for eight bucks a month, but

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I actually got you still don't necessarily, even if you pay them, you

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don't. You're not guaranteed that blue
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have no idea. Well, I
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bring up Twitter, though, Mike, let me let me, let me

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just stop me for scon. The
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you know, the counter programming was
on Twitter last night Trump. Oh yeah

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I didn't. I couldn't see it. Okay, Well, I'm figuring somewhere

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they might have distributed the video elsewhere
by now. But last night it originated

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from Twitter. Now, some people
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broadcast. It was not, because
the moment that the debate started, they

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already had it up there. And
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that that it was recorded ahead of
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But anyway, it was recorded ahead
of time. It was ready to

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go. I'm sure it's been edited
because there was some edits that had to

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go on. It's only forty six
minutes, which is a weird time span

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for you know, him to counter
program the debate from last night. And

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I'm I'm planning on going into the
debate tomorrow night on the call in Show

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and I'm gonna play clips and yeah, that's what we're gonna talk about tomorrow

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night, for sure. And that's
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getting sick of the call in show
going off the ram anyway, Sorry,

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goad, this guy Tucker Carlson.
I can't I type Trump and on my

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Google Trump Tucker Carlson because I want
to see ye if I can bring the

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video up. I don't think I
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actually only watch it on Twitter.
But anyway, I didn't know that.

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I mean, I didn't know that's
where it was going to be. Years

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old, you know, Oh,
Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson, he's fifty

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four. Oh okay, I didn't
know his age. But okay, now

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I thought he was a lot older
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it's really crazy, he seems because
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I'm forty eight. I always thought
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I thought so too, and man, it just turns out he's only fifty

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four years old. Yeah, something's
wrong with that. That doesn't sound like

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to me because that only makes him
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not scared. That can't be.
It's scary because he was on what was

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that show where he used yell at
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that was years ago. That wasn't
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so he was just a kid when
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So let me see if I can
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because anyway, that counter programming went
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Which part of the debate did you
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I was watching a real important baseball
game, and then between the commercials,

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I would flip on to the debate. Oh so they went to commercial and

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you're like, all right, let's
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and then and then I would watch
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slowed down, they're changing pictures.
You know, you don't have to watch

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every moment of baseball game. So
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that of the debate. You know
which thirty minutes wasn't like at the beginning

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or the end or what i'd like, the middle, right when they started

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to write before like I saw the
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first hour. Let's say, bits
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honestly, I'll just my opinion for
whatever it's worth. I'm not when I

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say this, it doesn't mean I
like these people or I'm going to go

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vote for these people. But I
really thought that Chris Christie and Pence,

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from what I saw, did the
best. I thought Pence did really well

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and he didn't need a fly on
his head or anything. Well, the

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problem with a better job this time, Yeah, no, he did a

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way better job this time. But
the problem with Pence is that he was

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very dismissive of other people in their
ideas and was very much stuck on the

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whole Look, you know what,
I was constitutionally correct, and this time

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Pence was right, was right?
Stupid? Well most of what I've say

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you think you think so much.
I mean, look, it was entertaining,

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Mike. Let me tell you.
I don't want to blow all my

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comments out of water with you tonight
because I got a whole thing tomorrow to

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do. But I'm telling you it's
something what went on there. One thing

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I'll say about it. So yeah, even though you know, I bet,

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I mean I do. Look I
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basically, and I look, I'm
looking at it. I look at it

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on the internet. I read the
news tedline, right, And that's why

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you send out that and you send
out those emails early in the morning,

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like what was that? So so
I'm I look at the stuff real early

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and then I'm done typically and I
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And the thing about this debate,
you know, I've I've seen Pence

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speak before, and Chris Christie and
Nicky Haley and uh Tim Scott, the

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two of the characters. I don't
know who they were. Well, Asa

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Hutchinson his one, Yeah, that
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I don't know. He had one
guy I don't know. He's what was

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the former governor of South Dakota North, one of the Dakotas. Yeah,

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weird. And then they had this
Indian guy that is real popular on the

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internet, but I've never seen him. Yeah, Romy Swammy, right,

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Romy Swammy, which is the way
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that's right. Romy Swammy. Is
interesting because he's the guy who was picked

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up in the polls the most.
You know, and you've seen the Santists

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before, and yeah, I've never
that's the first time I've ever listened to

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the Santists. Really, I've never
I've seen the interview with him. I

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mean, you see his name over
the place, but I've never watched an

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actual interview with him. I've never
heard him speak ever, and I wasn't

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very impressed. I don't understand what
everyone's been excited about. You you know,

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yeah, I don't either. I
just don't get it. The only

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good point that he made it himself
last night too, is that, look,

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these are old guys. I'm a
younger guy, and maybe I have

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different ideas because these guys have tried
stuff, and obviously a lot of what

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they're saying has already been tried,
and I think we need new stuff,

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we need new ideas. Silly.
I mean, if that's the argument,

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well we should just get someone that's
eighteen, Well we don't need somebody who's

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eighteen necessarily. But I mean,
look, the seventy year old guys have

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already been there and have already tried
most of the same crap. I mean,

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they repeated over and over again,
We're just gonna cut some more taxes

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and yeah, okay, we've found
that we've heard all this stuff before.

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Well yes and no. Because it
was kind of funny to me, you

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could definitely tell that there was a
big influence, uh in you know,

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from twenty sixteen on, from the
Trump behavior patterns and the fact that he

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would interrupt and he would cut off
the you know, the moderator. The

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moderators lost control of this thing though. Within about ten minutes, Indian interrupting

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everyone. Well okay, now that's
the way you see it. But the

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way I see it is they were
tripping over each other, interrupting each other

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and interrupting the moderators, and yeah, you would have caught it. Well,

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it was little, Well, it
was really quite a patternator. You

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take a look at, like,
say, the the headline from the Hill

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earlier today, right the early morning
when you were collecting your stuff, what

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did the Hill call it? The
they you know, boiled it down to

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their headline like this Republican debate recap, gop rivals, trade insults, Trump

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talks with Tucker, you know.
And that's the thing is, no matter

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what, even though he wasn't on
the stage, he's still attached every news

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article. I'm telling you, it's
the same pattern, by the way,

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where the media is going to shove
this guy down your throat anyway. It

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doesn't matter if Trump shows up,
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four more times, no matter what, they're going to include him in the

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coverage. They're going to include him
in each one of these things. They're

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gonna keep shoving him at everybody,
Okay, because that's just the way it

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is. It's gonna be. They're
just getting ready, they're doing the prep

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work to do the twenty four seven
Trump coverage again. Okay, and we've

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already seen this in two Well,
select about that is. I read that

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the debate had million people watch this, but it was half as many as

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watched the first debate the replicants had
in the last election. Right, So

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I don't think. I don't think
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this time around as I did the
last two times. And that doesn't just

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go for the Republicans but the Democrats
too. I think a fewer people are

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going to be as engaged in watching
all this mess. Well, I don't

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think anywhere the last two times.
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think hardly anybody's gonna throw if there
is any Democratic debate, because who knows

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if there's gonna be any. But
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a snooze fest. We all know
this, So nobody's going to tune in

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for that. I'm telling you,
Look, this is very easy, and

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you're gonna think I'm nuts until you
see these ratings later. All right,

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So twelve point eight million viewers from
what I understand, tuned in last night,

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So I was one of twelve point
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Now, problem is, yeah,
it's about half of what Trump was pulling

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when they had the pile of debate. You remember all those guys they had,

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I don't even remember how many.
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all what was it the lady that
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drug overdoses or whatever, and of
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they had Jeb Bush and all that. Right, more people were tuned into

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that. And I think the assessment
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I'm willing to bet if you take
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thing out of the gate, you
know, and went there and somehow thought

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he was going to go live at
the same time as the debate, which

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he didn't. It was actually posted
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they were still doing their preview shows, okay, and it was already forty

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six minutes long. It's how you
know it was prerecorded? Look twelve point

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eight million. And what they're saying
is a whole missing contingent is probably and

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I think they're right. The people. So if you are a Trump supporter,

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you don't care about these guys.
These guys are not auditioning to be

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vice president these guys are not you
know what are they? They're the non

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Trumpers. Screw them, that's the
attitude of a true Trump supporter, right,

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So they're not tuned into Fox that
night in particular, they accidentally tune

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over there and go, oh crap, they're replaying this anyway, and they

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wait for the morning, okay,
or they go to the Fox YouTube channel

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and watch stuff that's already happened.
You know why, because no Trump,

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no ratings, And you know what, I think all of the networks are

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going to figure this out if they
don't already know it, which being facetious,

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they already know this. This guy
is a marketable strategy. He's a

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business model in and of himself.
He is a constant content generator that,

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if you choose to focus on him, will create the need for viewers.

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They're watching his arrest, they're watching
his preparation per arrest. They're watching as

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he had his new Jersey club.
Here's the motorcade. Like you said,

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they got a drone. Hover and
look at the prison. Look at the

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jail that they might bring him to, even though nobody would hardly ever pay

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attention to that jail because it's in
terrible shape, there's like mold and all.

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I don't know if you saw it. Was it like a month ago

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they found a dead guy in there
so chewed up by bugs. They couldn't

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believe it. Who you know,
because there was bed bugs and everything else

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eating the guy. Yet, conditions
not good in the county jails or any

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of the jails in Georgia. Okay, it's not the it's not the comfortable

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rest homes with cable TV that a
lot of people make make jails out to

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be. Not in Georgia anyway.
I think the equations pretty simple. You

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have Trump, then the main clown
is at the circus. You'll have viewers.

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Well, I'm looking at the odds
that betting website we've spoken about before

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Republican nomination. I haven't checked that
out, Yeah yeah, yeah, what

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what? What is? What is
that called? Began to tell me about

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it? Tell me I haven't.
I haven't looked at it. What's the

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name of that site again? Predicted
Predicted? That's right, Predicted dot com.

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Now they won't accept my ID,
so I can't bet over there.

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But it's a great little look into
the odds on things. So you're you're

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in disbelief at the numbers you're seeing, Mike, share them with us.

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Tell us what the odds makers are
telling us about the Republican nomination and such.

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Please, Well, first of all, Mike pitts, yes, he

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only has a three percent chance of
getting the Republican nomination, and his his

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you know, three cents to win
a dollar every three cents, Yep.

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All you gotta do is yep,
it's a three percent chance. And it

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only went up a penny in the
last twenty four hours. Despite that's right,

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and despite his great performance in the
debate, the best performance Mike Pence

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has ever done in a debate,
and it only went up a penny.

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Yeah, that's about what it's working
it. Christy did Greig too, He

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was right, has dropped a penny. His odds are for sets. Okay,

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look, I can explain both of
those odds, and I think this

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predicted website is on point, dead
on. I'm gonna tell you why.

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Pence the best things that he did
was regurgitate old ideas and stick to the

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old values of like I mean,
it's like a rewind, it's like eighteen

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nineties. Did it better than ever
before? He looked confident. Yeah,

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because if you're comparing it to old
Mike Pence. Look, it's easy.

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You know, a dog turd is
better than zero on the scale, right

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because at least the dog turd you
can turn into something. So this time

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he delivers a dog turd. This
is not worth anything. It's not going

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to move an independent motor to present
to them the old tired, already beaten

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ideas from the GOP. It's not
gonna be so good God in country,

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and I believe and being honest,
and you're not moving anybody's needle. If

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you were already looking for a boy
scout, you're already on Mike Pence's side.

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And most people don't want to boy
scout. Okay, so guess what.

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He's not going to move the needle. He's not going to be vice

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president again because he's seen as a
betrayer by the Trumpers. So even if

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Trump is eliminated from the race,
the best thing he is is a dinosaur,

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an antiquated idea. Mike Pence,
who was younger than a lot of

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the candidates that have been out there
and still does not appear to be all

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that. Yeah, take a look
at it. I'm not sixty. Yeah,

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he's sixty four. But that's what
ten years younger than Biden or Trump?

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Right, So okay, more,
look, whatever point is Mike Pence

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has nothing new to offer. Mike
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if you if you asked chat GPT
to create a political candidate based on GOP

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standards from from you know, the
nineteen nineties, they might spit out Mike

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Pence if you add the word albino
into the equation. Okay, because a

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white haired dude with white skin and
give us those values that everybody used to

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pretend to support in the nineties.
That's Mike Pence period. Okay, So

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how is that? How does that
play now? Uh? Mike Swanson okay,

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not Mike penns How does how does
that play anymore? The old Republican

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values, I mean just objectively in
your mind, because that I mean,

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I know you might hold some of
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claim to be conservatives, the people
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those old values from the nineteen nineties
seem to hold up today? Just open

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question. Well, he did a
good job of the debate. Is this

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the part where you don't want to
admit that my crazy ass ideas are probably

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right? Is it is that this
part just yeah, things are a lot

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different now than than they were.
Yes, they are, and the nut

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that I am, it turns out
I'm going to be right. Now.

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Watch this Chris Christy, I'm gonna
tell you why nobody likes him. First

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of all, fat well, you
say anything. I've just gotta tell you

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though. Okay, I don't know
that much about what he did as government

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New Jersey. I do, go
ahead, But when he's on that stage,

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he looks like a human being.
He doesn't look like he's acting or

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doing as you know, as weird
as the others. He looks more like

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he looks the most out of all
these guys, he's actually genuine, a

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regular person. He's genuine. That
is who Chris Christy is. Who you

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saw on that stage. Makes me
like him more than these others. Rod

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DeSantis was a weirdo, and I've
never seen him before speak you know,

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I never paid it, I never
watched him on TV. I've never seen

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him. Well, before you move, ont shock, wait, before you

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it's so big and he's so strange. Okay, look before you move on

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to DeSantis or anybody else, let
me address. Christ Come on me,

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give me, give me a shout
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the guy's heavy. Nobody likes the
heavy guy all right, because it

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automatically indicates to a lot of people
a bunch of psychological signals. That's one

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problem. The second thing is,
since Woodrow Wilson, nobody wants to put

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a guy from Jersey in the White
House. Okay, and with good reason.

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Look, this guy is a quintessentially
New Jersey kind of guy. We

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have to admit this. Those of
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the country, we're not likable.
At best. We are appreciated as part

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of the freak show when people go
to the tanning salon and want to give

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themselves, you know, names like
the situation. Okay, that's it.

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And those people are not from Jersey. Okay, Like that's what I'm telling

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you. Even the things that people
think around the country that are from Jersey

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or not from Jersey, those people
are from Long Island and Pennsylvanian crap.

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They're not even from Jersey, but
they are the characterization. They are the

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cartoon of what people think of as
people from Jersey. Chris Christy last night

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acted like a guy from Jersey.
Nobody likes it. They don't like it.

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They booed him, they didn't like
it that he took on Trump even

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though Trump wasn't there. And he
goes, look, let's be honest,

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this guy's hanging over everybody, and
you guys are just kissing up to him

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right now, and they were,
they were genuflecting the Trump during this debate.

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Oh, I just want to make
it very clear that you know,

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even though he's not here, I
do still support him. Of course,

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we're going to support whatever candidate.
You know, we signed the loyalty pledges

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of course, of course. You
know, Chris Christy almost signals to yeah,

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I signed a loyalty pledge, now
making me You know, what are

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you gonna do? You're gonna make
me follow through on it? Good luck?

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Chris Christie's attitude. He's a Jersey
guy. Jersey guys are not actually

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likable. They're entertaining the people,
but they're not likable. Nobody's gonna trust

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him. Plus he comes off as, yes, a human being, because

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that is him, but it also
looks a little corrupt to a lot of

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parts of the country. Yeah,
well he might not be like Okay,

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let's just say what you said.
It's true because he's a New Jersey guy

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and he's fat. People don't like
it. Well when you compare him to

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the others, he comes off good
when the others look like seem to be

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crazy or freaks. To you and
me, that comes off good. But

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here's the thing. You know,
if you wanted normal, if you wanted

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calm, if you wanted a genuine
person, why would any of these guys

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have gotten voted for in the past
couple of decades? Seriously, I mean

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you mean to tell me that everybody
legitimately believed that, you know, come

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on, don't I don't want to
go at it. I mean, which

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which which president do you want me
to go? After? That was you

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know, popular for a moment.
These guys were not coming off with genuine

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ideas. We're not really humanizing themselves
ever. So you know, they don't

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want that. They don't want it. In general, people don't want that,

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and they clearly don't want a guy
who is going to be realistic and

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say, look, this is no
good. What's gone on here is no

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good, and we need to shake
some things up, and we need to

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get things straight, We need to
clean up some of this mess, and

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we need to admit that. You
know what, everybody wants to attack Joe

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Biden, and everybody wants to attack
the Democrats. But the thing that was

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shocking and also got him booed Chris
Christie. And here's the real Achilles heel

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is he goes, Look, Republicans
got to take some responsibility for this too,

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because they were there. Yes,
it's true, but you know people

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that are waiving that flag and screaming, no, we are the only good

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people. The Democrats are evil.
They are you know, they're baby killers

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and they're everything else. And if
they are the ultimate evil and we are

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the only good thing on the planet, you can't be smearing us. You

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can't even begin to contradict or go
against the magic are in front of the

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name, right. You gotta stick
together. See, that's the thing.

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That's the thing. So he criticized
Republicans, he criticized Trump. He lost

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the parts of the crowd that might
have had sympathies for Trump. He lost

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the part of the crowd that says, nope, no matter what we do,

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Republicans are right. He lost those
people right away. So he shot

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him open the foot as per usual, and that's what he does. He's

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not gonna win. Nobody's gonna move
that needle. His needle didn't move,

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or if it did move a little
bit, a little bit, right,

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So that's like no movement. I
mean, come on, what's the margin

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of error there? You think with
the odds it's a plus or minus nothing.

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Now you go into De Santis.
De Santis is a different guy now

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to you and me, Yes,
go ahead, Oh, to you and

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me, he's weird, okay,
but he's had lots of popular traction nationally.

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00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:37.759
Why culture wars the fact that he's
like, absolutely, we are going

408
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.680
to protect the gender specific sports.
Well, I'm gonna tell you a gun

409
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.079
about him. Yeah, he's forty
four years old. He's younger than us,

410
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.799
Yes, he is. I thought
he was older than us too,

411
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.400
despite that hair dude he is.
Yeah, and that hair dude is straight

412
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.920
up out of like. I mean
that that reminds me of like Jimmy Swagger

413
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:06.240
and those guys when they had their
hair. He's sixty. He looks like

414
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.440
what somebody in the would have been
sixty years old in Ronald Reagan's era.

415
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.119
Yeah, well he looks older than
Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson's fifty four.

416
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.799
Yeah, right, exactly today.
But you see the hair doing everything,

417
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.359
the presentation, the suit, the
whole thing is like a nineteen eighties older

418
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.519
guy who is looking a little younger
because you know, nobody knows he actually

419
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.839
dies his hair and he makes sure
his suits pressed right and all of that.

420
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.440
He's the nineteen eighties older looking guy. And meanwhile he's only in his

421
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.720
forties. He's a young guy.
He's forty four. But you see,

422
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.039
he can't come off too young as
a conservative. That that always is a

423
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.160
bad mix. So he comes off
with more maturity. He is winning,

424
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.319
and the only reason why he's holding
anything in the polls is the culture wars.

425
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.559
This guy is willing to battle the
evil Disney Corporation. This guy is

426
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.079
willing to really stick it to the
Libs. So there is his victory.

427
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.519
That's a lot bigger than anything Chris
Christy said or did. That's a lot

428
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.599
bigger than anything Mike Pence can try
to do. Because Mike Pennz goes,

429
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.640
well, let's just stick by and
let God guide us, and I will

430
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.880
be the man who makes sure that
the Billy Graham rule is followed at all

431
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.400
times. And I cannot possibly be
alone with a woman, and I wonder

432
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:22.680
why that is, But come on, Mike Pence is like a literal meat

433
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.960
puppet, Okay, And somebody just
stuck the tape in the back of you

434
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.799
know, meat puppet Teddy ruck spins
back, got meat puppet geo p Teddy

435
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.640
Roux spins back and played him a
tape from the eighties. This is throwbacks.

436
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.640
This is the throwbacks to the Reagan
era. These values don't even count

437
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.759
among the Rara Republicans at this point, who were booing and cheering for certain

438
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.680
things. Did you notice the crowd
reactions that were weird? You know,

439
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.759
somebody says something somebody liked, and
you hear the ladies in the back whoo.

440
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.039
It was like a Girl's Gone Wild
soundtrack in the back of that joint.

441
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.960
That's not normal for a publican convention
or a debate, at least not

442
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.039
in the past. This is a
different era. De Santis is only holding

443
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.079
the interest of voters because of the
perception that he is a culture warrior on

444
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:18.200
the conservative side. He's battling abortion, he's battling liberal stuff, he's battling

445
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:23.440
political correctness, he's battling the critical
race theory go ahead of these odds.

446
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:30.799
Though his odds have dropped right two
cents, they're fourteen cents. That makes

447
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.799
perfect sense. He basically diet't move
of all that much either, not at

448
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.119
all. But that's the only thing, because that's the only thing he's got.

449
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.640
He's one dimensional. Other than that, now, here's going to be

450
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.000
a key issue when you get around
everybody else. There are key issues that

451
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.960
are going to happen here that really
are game changers. And it's not the

452
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.319
culture wars. The culture Wars is
something you better sign off on. If

453
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.119
you want Republican support, period,
you have to be on that side of

454
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.480
it. Even if you say to
yourself, well, look, I don't

455
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.079
think it's that big of a deal. I'm not that worried about drag queens.

456
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.559
I don't really care about. If
you do that, then you're on

457
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.599
the side of the pedophiles. You
are scumback. That is the only way.

458
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.640
The majority of the GOP is c
and this I'm telling you, I

459
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:22.240
know how this works. Look,
I just go ahead. It's it looks.

460
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.400
I watched it twice to make sure
I saw what I saw. I

461
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:30.880
was in Las Vegas, Uh,
I mean, I watched it twice,

462
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:40.680
and I had an encounter with a
drag queen that is closer than any of

463
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:45.079
these people got to one. Mike, are you about to make a weird

464
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.119
confession here on this show. Don't
don't do that, please, No.

465
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.519
No, all that happened, I
got it. Don't say it like that.

466
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.359
No, no, listen, don't
say it like I had a weird

467
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:59.640
encounter with a drag queen. That
is not a good sentence. I just

468
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.480
got an elevator and this Mikes was
in the elevator too. Okay, you're

469
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:06.759
you're you're my friend. I'm breaking
your balls, you know that, right?

470
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.279
Okay, I'm just saying that there's
a what's the word for it,

471
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah, across across across a cross
dresser, I guess. Okay, fine,

472
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.359
So somebody who was a somebody who
was a male dressing like a female

473
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:27.400
one way or another. They were
in the elevator, and uh, I

474
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.359
didn't know they were going to be
an elevator, but they were in the

475
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.640
elevator, and I got an elevator
and then nothing happened. I got out

476
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.440
of the elevator. You know,
nothing happened. I wasn't scared. That's

477
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.599
what I'm trying to. That's why
I bring it up, Mike. Mike,

478
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.839
it doesn't sound here. Okay,
But Mike, it doesn't sound good

479
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.039
when you're saying nothing happened, nothing
happened. That almost sounds like Eddie Murphy.

480
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.200
Okay, don't do that, you
know, Eddie Murphy, remember that

481
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.720
scared. I just picked a guy. I gave him a ride. I

482
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:53.960
don't know what happened. I didn't
know. I just I gave a person

483
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.599
a ride. I don't know,
Mike. I'm making jokes here, but

484
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:00.880
look, I'm telling you there are
people that are very hung up on that.

485
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.640
Silly and yeah, but they're hung
up on it like you've got to

486
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.039
battle these people. These people are
destroying society, like it is a primary

487
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.559
concern of some people's. Okay,
So if you don't signal that it is

488
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.320
very concerning, you can't win the
GOP voter. You cannot win the Republican

489
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:25.280
voter, because yeah, but you
have to be that's the hot spot on

490
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:29.920
the boogeyman right now. Though.
See, you don't have communism to contend

491
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.960
with, because nobody, you know, really stresses on Chinese China being communist,

492
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.599
and you don't have the worldwide communist
block, right, So you don't

493
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.079
have a big boogeyman that you can
point to and you know, tell us

494
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.639
about the invisible enemy that you don't
see. These people are visible and they're

495
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.440
here and this is the you know, the domestic culture war that has to

496
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.920
take place. So DeSantis is only
holding onto the percentage that he has because

497
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.440
of that. That's his only reason
for it. But when he it's you

498
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.400
start asking him about foreign policy,
you start asking him about how to actually

499
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.679
do stuff, and he says,
well, I've been the governor of Florida

500
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.360
and I've done a good job.
Okay, but that's not the same question

501
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:15.320
that you're being asked when it comes
to these other policies. So Desantist doesn't

502
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.880
have a lot of answers. Now. The reason why he has pulled higher

503
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.239
is just the culture wars. Move
on to the next person in your order

504
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.679
there on your mind, Mike,
because before we get to I hope it's

505
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:29.599
not romy swammy, because I really
hope you save him for later. But

506
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:34.239
go ahead, Well, I skipped
over Tim Scott. He's at four cents.

507
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.159
Yeah, you know why Haley went
up two cents. He's at eight

508
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.960
cents now. Hang on, you
know why he skipped You know why he

509
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:45.480
skipped over Tim Scott because he's boring
exactly, Thank you, Nicki Haley.

510
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.480
Move on. Yeah, but I
will now where I live, I didn't

511
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.719
see this comment. I'm just gonna
make this one comment about Nicky Haley.

512
00:35:53.639 --> 00:36:00.679
Where I live, I noticed the
head of the local Republican party made a

513
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:07.599
comment about the debate and said that
Nicki Haley attacked Tim Scott. I didn't

514
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.559
see that part of the debate.
This person said he attacked her, and

515
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.320
they made note of the fact that
when she was governor of South Carolina,

516
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:22.119
she actually appointed him to the Senate, so she put him in office,

517
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:30.039
and therefore, by attacking him,
she's also attacking her own, you know,

518
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.679
decision that she had made. So, okay, I get that point.

519
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.119
But here's the thing that came up
a couple of times, as these

520
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.880
guys who had experience in the Congress
one way or another, either in the

521
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.679
House of the Senate. I guess, uh to what Tim Scott was a

522
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.480
senator? Was was Mike Pence?
He's a senator. Pence was in the

523
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.559
I think Pence was only a congressman. I believe. Okay, Well,

524
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.239
either way their time in the Congress, let's just loop it together. And

525
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.559
you know, they were like,
well, we were able to do this,

526
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.320
and we were able to do that, and these guys were ready for

527
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.079
it. And Nicky Haley went after
him on a couple of things that happened

528
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.519
under their watch that don't sound like
what they're saying today, Okay, which

529
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:15.239
is fair. It's fair. I
don't think Nicky Haley got mad until somebody

530
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.800
said, well, you know,
basically, when somebody went, well,

531
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:23.599
screw Ukraine, we shouldn't be sending
them money. Somebody said that, and

532
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:28.920
that's set Nicky Haley off because she
went into a whole thing about you're the

533
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.079
kind of guy who doesn't support Israel
and doesn't support Ukraine and doesn't support our

534
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.119
allies, and you can't just do
that and be an isolationist because it doesn't

535
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:42.760
work. She went into her whole
thing to defend and prop up her the

536
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:47.719
idea that she is well aware of
how to deal with things internationally in foreign

537
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.159
nations because she had been appointed to
go and deal with the UN under Trump.

538
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:57.440
Okay, So that's what that's about. It's not just about her time

539
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.280
as governor or. Well, who
she appointed her anything else. That was

540
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:07.679
her attempting to assert herself as listen, I've got experienced dealing with these complex

541
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:15.079
geopolitical issues, dealing with our adversaries
and our allies. That's what she attempted

542
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.840
to assert. And on her way
through there, she wanted to give a

543
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:23.039
quick smack across the nose to both
Mike Pence and Tim Scott and somebody else

544
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.760
who was like had zero experience,
where she was like, you don't even

545
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.599
know what she's talking about. You
never dealt with anybody. Shush. And

546
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.639
that was pretty funny to me because
that was the theme of the night starts

547
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.559
to emerge here, which is everybody's
not trying to do a debate. They're

548
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.920
not paying attention to the moderators half
the time, not even paying attention to

549
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.559
the questions. They had this rule
there at the beginning where they said,

550
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.679
if you're directly addressed by another person, then you'll be given a few minutes

551
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.559
to respond, but otherwise you gotta
wait to be called on. That rule

552
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:58.079
went out the window. Bret Bear
was not an effective moderator, and neither

553
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.480
was Martha McCallum. They both dropped
the ball there immediately and never picked it

554
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.840
back up. It was very messy, very sloppy, and the only thing

555
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.280
that held them back is occasionally they
had these these twinges, these pings of

556
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.159
the way that you used to do
this with decorum and and and you know,

557
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.480
with some sort of order to it, where you waited your turn to

558
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.239
speak. They seemed to fall back
into that pattern for a moment or two,

559
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.079
and that gave them enough pause that
the moderators could stick themselves in.

560
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.639
And there were several times that these
guys are going, wait a minute,

561
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.559
wait a minute. We were supposed
to be controlling this. And even at

562
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:36.119
a certain point Brett Bair and Martha
McCallum hadn't turned to the crowd and be

563
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.920
like, you know, the longer
you sit there cheering and booing behind us

564
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.239
and making all that noise, we're
not going to get to as many questions

565
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.360
if you keep doing that, audience. I don't know if you caught that

566
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:52.360
part, but they had to do
that. My point is the the the

567
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:59.280
culture in the atmosphere is not relatable
to anything previous to twenty sixteen, when

568
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.679
Trump behaved the way he did,
when the GOP candidates behaved the way they

569
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.119
did before Trump was the uh was
the only guy who was going to get

570
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:15.400
the nomination. When they did that, they changed the rules. They just

571
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:21.000
that's as I'm looking at the clock
and just to jump to the go to

572
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:24.480
go to the next one. Gun
Swammy, Ramy Swammy yep, which almost

573
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:29.360
sounds like somebody's being racist when you
say it. Now, Look, I

574
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.039
don't want anybody to think I'm being
racist if you're not familiar with the guy's

575
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.239
name or anything, because Ramy Swammy
almost sounds like one of those dismissive you

576
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.280
know, yeah, haji whatever when
people would say that about anybody from India.

577
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.719
But no, I the guy answers
to Ramy Swammy. That's his last

578
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.800
name. Interesting guy seems to be
younger. Go ahead, tell me about

579
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:52.679
him. What you thought. Well, I wasn't impressed. And then in

580
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.079
the morning when I looked at the
headlines, it said that he was the

581
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.679
winner, that they had these focus
groups that watched it and they said he

582
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.039
was the wayer. Know. What
I saw was a guy that had funny

583
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:12.440
makeup and was just acting like Donald
Trump, saying stuff that Donald Trump would

584
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.480
say if he was there, but
he wasn't there. So this guy was

585
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.400
there acting like him. That's what
I saw. Yeah, he tried to

586
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.920
pick up the Trump, but he
did not Listen, I gotta tell you,

587
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.679
he did not out Trump Trump.
He did not replace Trump. Well,

588
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:29.840
if that's what he was attempting to
do, he failed. But I

589
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.480
could see how you could think that
that was what his intention was. But

590
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.960
it wasn't done well. He tried
to be very dismissive of other people,

591
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:44.000
and he doesn't seemed like a jerk. And he's got no experience or nothing.

592
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.320
Yeah, of course, and the
guy, you know, he's thirty

593
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:51.320
eight. But but see, here
we go. What experience did Donald Trump

594
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:57.159
had when it came to anything related
to government outside of you know, buying

595
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.599
politicians and outside of you know,
being a guy who manipulated politicians. What

596
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.239
experience did Donald Trump had with government? That's their answer. See, they

597
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.760
love him. He gave the you
know, look, he made the tax

598
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:14.480
breaks. The economy wasn't this bad
under Trump, Bubba, So you know,

599
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.519
here it is the guy with no
experience did better. Now the logic

600
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.280
should be, hey, your experience
doesn't count for anything. That was the

601
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.320
attitude he went in with, and
he tried to sell that. I don't

602
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.519
know if he really tried to ap
Trump Trump, because if he did,

603
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.199
he failed miserably. But if his
assertion was, hey, look, the

604
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:36.559
guy who is not entrenched in politics
might be the better choice, because at

605
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.119
least I'm not one of these politicians. At one point actually said I think

606
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.039
he was the one who said it, you know, since I'm the only

607
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.760
guy on this stage who wasn't bought
and paid for. Literally, I don't

608
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.920
know, did you catch that?
Yeah? A couple of times. Well,

609
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.480
you know, I wanted to applaud
at that one. But is he

610
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.880
a guy who has not bought and
paid for? It remains to be seen.

611
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.239
I don't know, because who the
hell knows who he is. He

612
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.760
even said, look, I know, you guys think I'm just a guy,

613
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.119
an Indian guy with a funny name, a skinny guy. I think

614
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:09.440
he said, yeah, that wasn't
my problem. I think he's an Indian

615
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.079
guy that looked funny, yeah,
and was trying to pretend like he's Donald

616
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.159
Trump. That's what I think.
That's the way you But I'm telling you,

617
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.280
he said, you know, who
is this skinny guy with a funny

618
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.880
name? That was not our problem, chief though, you know, I

619
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.800
mean, I mean to address romy
Swammy directly here, that's not our problem.

620
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.559
Here the way he can If I
want hill Donald Trump, I'm voting

621
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.280
for Donald Trump. I'm not voting
for a guy that just wants to pretend

622
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.679
he's Donald Trump, Right, I
got you, No, at least Donald

623
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.199
Trump. I don't want to vote
for Donald Trump. I'm not going to

624
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.599
vote for this clown. Yeah,
well you know that's that simple. Look,

625
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:53.280
why you know, if I want
to eat, you know what I'm

626
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.679
saying. No, you're not giving
your money. I'm gonna You're not gonna

627
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.960
give your money to the cover band. Look, if you want to go

628
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.360
see, Okay, the Black Sabbath
Reunion, you're gonna go see that.

629
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.079
You're not gonna go see the guys
playing Black Sabbath songs at the local bar.

630
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.079
Because if you're gonna go all in
on it, you might as well

631
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.719
go in on the real thing.
This guy's not the real thing. He

632
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.679
comes off as completely disingenuous. I
don't care what his name is. I

633
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.840
don't care if it's a funny sounding
name or not. Although Ramy Swammy,

634
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.960
as I said, sounds like a
dismissively racist thing, it's not. That's

635
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.119
the way he pronounces his name,
but the guy comes off as too fake.

636
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.039
So that's all there is to him. Now, what did you think

637
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.800
of Haley? What did you think
of Wait? We covered Haley, didn't

638
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.239
we? Yeah? We did,
now covered all of him? No we

639
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:37.559
won we well, we didn't cover
g he's on here. I guess this

640
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.400
is the guy that Doug bergamun yeah, right, yeah, I had nothing

641
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.239
to say, but that's the guy
from South Dakota or whatever, right or

642
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.719
yea somewhere. And then also on
the side list, and he wasn't at

643
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.760
the debate. Is the governor of
Virginia, Glenn junk He hasn't announced,

644
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.440
and he you know, but he's
always teased. Is he might enter?

645
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:06.039
He might enter, I don't,
who knows. So godds of Donald Trump

646
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:12.960
getting in Republican nomination have gone up
three percent, and they're yeah, because

647
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:17.119
hardly anybody moved. And as I
said before, if you were, you

648
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:21.960
were not. If you're a Trump
supporter, you weren't waiting on this debate

649
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.719
to make any decision you were.
You're not looking at vice presidential possibilities,

650
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.119
you're not even looking at allies.
You're looking at people that are the enemy.

651
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.320
Because they're not on the Trump side. See that's what it is.

652
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.320
It's about Trump. So and Mike
Pence lost his access. I mean,

653
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:43.639
clearly, if Trump is the nominee, which it appears as though he will

654
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.400
be at this point, he's not
gonna select Mike Pence to be his running

655
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.239
mate. Again, that's not happening. So Mike Pence is in a no

656
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.760
win situation and he's going to keep
running with his old playbook and that's all

657
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:59.679
there is to it, and hopefully
he'll just go away in obscurity. But

658
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.599
again, I mean, he was
trying to point to his experience. He's

659
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.440
trying to sell. If Trump gets
it, yeah, do you think he'll

660
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.760
pick any of these people to be
as vice president? No, because they

661
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:15.639
showed disloyalty. See that's the thing, Younkin. Because even if they didn't

662
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.800
speak out against him, they were
at the debate, Junkin has a better

663
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:24.199
chance of being his vice presidential nominee, right because he wasn't there. See

664
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.360
the second that they showed up there, they're disloyal to him, just like

665
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.199
Chris Christie was on the inside of
that administration. And now he's having a

666
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.400
weird time trying to you know where
they're going. We'll look. If you

667
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.920
think he's so awful, how come
you were working for him. Yeah,

668
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.159
it's a bit of a question,
isn't it. Oh, he wasn't that

669
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.679
awful if he was giving you a
job or if you had a possibility of

670
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.840
becoming the attorney general, he wasn't
so awful. No. No, I

671
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:54.559
think what we figure out here is
that despite Chris Christie's genuineness that comes off,

672
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:59.000
it's not one hundred percent genuine because
he's full of crap. He was

673
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.400
willing to support Trump because it served
his purposes, and he will do that

674
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:07.679
when it serves his purposes. And
that's the truth about Chris Christy. Mike

675
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.599
Pence is in an interesting position.
And even the weird thing, I don't

676
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.400
know if you saw this, with
the weird crossover of having Chris Christy go,

677
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:16.840
you know what, Mike Pence deserves
a pat on the back for at

678
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:21.639
least adhering to the Constitution, which, by the way, I think the

679
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.280
guy from the Dakotas there is the
only guy who turned around and said,

680
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.639
you know what, I'm going to
operate according to the Constitution. That's going

681
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.960
to correct a lot of this,
especially when they brought up the abortion discussion

682
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.559
and a whole bunch of like you
know, fallacies were thrown out on the

683
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.079
stage. There no challenge to any
of this stuff, like you know,

684
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.039
the whole concept of when a baby
feels pain and all that study. Yeah,

685
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:50.280
because of the clock if no matter
who wins, if there's a Republican

686
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:57.280
president that gets in there. Yeah, you told me about this story about

687
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.760
the CIA stare. There's a CIA
sex scandal, Yes, multiple cases sterwell

688
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.079
attacks on different women by a c
officer. Oh, it goes way crazier

689
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.880
than that, Mike. There's a
story involved in that, in that grouping

690
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:15.039
of complaints where apparently somebody's CIA superior
showed up at a woman's home with a

691
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.840
with a firearm and with demanding sex
from her. I mean there is a

692
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.760
wild range of accus a woodens once
again, CIA out of control. Yep.

693
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.280
If one of these Republicans win,
forget about this deep state. Can

694
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:35.679
they sit with clean up the CIA? Can they clean up the agency for

695
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.519
once and for all. Well,
now, the funny thing is, you

696
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.840
would think that's a good question that
wasn't asked last night, but it was

697
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.440
asked. Do you remember that coming
up. Okay, so the concept about

698
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.039
this it wasn't in one of the
questions that the moderators who had lost control

699
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:54.119
of it already had brought up.
But Mike, here's what happened. Somebody

700
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.239
started talking about what they needed to
do day one, and of course it's

701
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:02.039
take care of the Justice Department,
impeach or you know, charge Merrick Garland

702
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:07.719
with criminal activity for you know,
targeting the president and you know with former

703
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:13.119
President Trump that is, and go
after all of Biden's people for weaponizing the

704
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.199
Justice Department. So you didn't hear
any of that. I mean, that's

705
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.599
just stuff to say all the time. I want to know if they can

706
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.599
just clean up this scale. See
now you just brought it out exactly right.

707
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:29.480
That's stuff they say all the time. So it's losing its sting among

708
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.000
the people that want to cheerlead and
want to chant these things. It still

709
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:36.199
works, right, you got to
go after the Justice Department. They're criminals,

710
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.440
they're going after people, they're violating
Trump's rights, blah blah, all

711
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.480
of that, all those talking points
when it comes to objective people are now

712
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.320
starting to fall silent. If you've
got an independent thinker or a swing vote

713
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.199
or anything like that. It's falling
silent because ra ra I already heard this.

714
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.000
Okay, so you're just repeating scripted
crap. At one point it was

715
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.280
too funny too, and I think
romy Swammy did it. It might have

716
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.400
been Rami Swammy or it might have
been the guy from the Dakotas one of

717
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:06.599
those two. Uh turned around and
said, okay, are we done with

718
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.320
all your scripted comments now, because
that's the way it sounds, whether it's

719
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.599
true or that. Oh well,
well, Christy said that too, but

720
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.000
you know, his tirade was a
little different. There was somebody else that

721
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.199
that said it too, but Christy
just you know, did the whole listen.

722
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.960
I'm I'm a real guy here really
responding, and as you and I

723
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.239
both observed, he came off exactly
that way as more genuine than anybody else

724
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.920
on that stage. But he's a
guy from Jersey, so yeah, he's

725
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:39.320
genuine and he's slimy. Both things
are true and questionable, because again,

726
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.360
okay, you think that this is
awful. All this stuff is awful.

727
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:47.000
You were defending Trump up to a
certain point. Now you're not. Something

728
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.920
changed, right, Oh that's right, it's not to your advantage. You

729
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.679
got to recognize that that Christy will
switch things based on what his advent.

730
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:00.360
The advantage is he might genuinely express
himself in some ways. What is he

731
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.880
going to stay on the path?
No, you want a guy whose lockstep

732
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.440
is going to march in a straight
line and do his best to stay on

733
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:12.159
that straight line. That's Mike Pence. Nobody wants it, Okay, So

734
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.960
there it is, Mike. I
gotta tell you this has been a fun

735
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:21.039
brief analysis of the debates last night. I don't know if you appreciate it

736
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.039
all of my viewpoints, but I
assure you if you let him rattle around

737
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:27.639
in your head for a little while
and rewatch some clips, I think you're

738
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.880
gonna agree with me more and more, because honestly, that was just a

739
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.679
very counterproductive night for all the people
on that stage and did nothing to change

740
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:43.079
the equation that Donald Trump is still
the air apparent to the nomination and appears

741
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:47.280
to be the guy who has the
most legitimate organic support for better for worse.

742
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.639
Whether you think it's a good idea
or not, whether you think it's

743
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.320
just dumb, doesn't matter. Truth
is that's what the people are wanting,

744
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.960
and just like they sell. You
know, plenty of fast food burgers.

745
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.760
They're clogging everybody's arteries. If people
want to buy it, they're gonna keep

746
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.320
selling it, and that's the way
it's going to go. So he's still

747
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.599
raising money. He's maybe he's surrendered
by now, or maybe he'll do that

748
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.400
tomorrow morning in Georgia. But either
way, he still got till the twenty

749
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.840
fifth to do it, and his
presence was felt at that debate without him

750
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.119
showing up and with the prerecorded Tucker
Carlson that I guess you can only see

751
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.440
on Twitter. Mike, if you
want, I'll record the audio for you

752
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.440
and send it over to you from
the Twitter, because I haven't watched the

753
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.320
whole Trump presentation yet, have you
have you? Do you want that?

754
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.360
I'll make that for you. Oh
you don't have to do that, Okay,

755
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.480
here about it, No problem.
Hey, listen, if you were

756
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.119
going to be up late tonight,
i'd tell you stay up late and I'll

757
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.960
share screen share with you and we
can watch it together on my screen.

758
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.719
But but I know you don't have
time for that. Look, I appreciate

759
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.320
you taking the time. We're a
little bit late getting to Larry Hancock,

760
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:51.840
so I want to get to him, but anything you want to say.

761
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:58.159
In closing, after we've done this
lightning round of analysis on last night's GOP

762
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:04.320
debate, Part one, Mike puts
Mike Pitts won the debate. Mike Pitts

763
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.880
won the debate, so says Mike
Swanson. O'chelly don't buy it, but

764
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:13.440
Mike Swanson says it. I give
Mike respect, but gotta tell you,

765
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.320
man, it ain't the way it
went down. Anyway. Be in the

766
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.800
know. Go to Wall Street Window
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and get on the mailing list. Do

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Thanks Mike. I hope you are
with me next week, but if not,

772
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:43.679
I hope you're well wherever you are. Man. Anyway, guys,

773
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what do you want to know Judy
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792
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811
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:09.639
which might ensue than the war State
by Michael Swanson explains the great national transformation

812
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.280
that took place and put the Kennedy
presidency in the context of the times,

813
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:20.000
and reveals never before published information about
the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would

814
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.840
not have been assassinated if he had
been president two hundred years ago. His

815
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:27.960
assassination took place in the context of
the Cold War and the rise of the

816
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:31.360
national security state. Before World War
II, the United States was a continental

817
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:37.000
republic. In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower. Generals

818
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.000
such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted
to invade Cuba, but knew that there

819
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:45.039
were short range missiles on the island
armed with nuclear warheads that they could not

820
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.079
destroy because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have led to a

821
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.440
Third World War, and they wanted
to go to war anyway. The War

822
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:58.159
State by Michael Swanson reveals why and
will show you what President Kennedy was up

823
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:02.599
against. For more information at war
State dot com. Nuclear holocaust. You

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know what uranium is right? Think
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of you know what uranium is right? Bad things things are done with uranium,

826
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including some bad things nuclear holocausts.
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right? Just think called nuclear weapons
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829
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what uranium is right? Bad things
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bad things nuclear holocausts, Nuclear hololeer
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Nuclear Holoca. Revelation to conversation.
You're listening to the Osheli dot com radio

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network. What the dynamics of a
crop? How do you move a mab?

833
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:21.119
How do you exct How do you
make them feel is one with you?

834
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.079
How join them? First? Join
yes? When you speak to them,

835
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:29.840
speak to them as if you were
a member of the mob. Speak

836
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:35.639
to them in their language and they're
level. Make they hate you. If

837
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.119
they are poor, talk to them
of policy, if they are afraids,

838
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.519
talk to them of their feels.
If they are angry, give them objects

839
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.039
for the anger. But most of
all, thinking that it's posts is that

840
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.599
you make this mob an extension of
yourself. I'm doing. What are the

841
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:54.719
dynamics of a crop? How do
you move a mab? How do you

842
00:59:54.760 --> 01:00:02.079
excct? How do you make them
feel is one with you? And you

843
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.840
speak to them? Speak to them
as if you were a member of the

844
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:14.199
public. Speak to them in their
language. I'm their living talk to them

845
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:20.400
a public. If they're afraid,
talk to them the fels angry. Oh

846
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:37.760
Chili dot com. Second segment of
the o'chelli effect here on a Thursday or

847
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.000
Thursday night. And I haven't been
doing second segments or second hours lately,

848
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.719
but what the hell, let's do
it when we got two great guys to

849
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.519
talk to. And the second one, of course, this author Larry Hancock,

850
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.800
who occupies a whole lot more space
on my bookshelf than any other author.

851
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.280
And you know, I don't just
say that because he occupies space on

852
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:00.840
my bookshelf, you know, because
he could put anything on your bookshelf.

853
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.719
But I actually read Larry's work too. Okay, I've actually read it.

854
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.480
It didn't just sit on my bookshelf
for looks, and I don't know who

855
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.360
would be looking at my bookshelf outside
of you guys to catch videos once in

856
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.960
a while, but irrelevant. Go
to Larry dash Hancock dot com. Check

857
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:20.719
out all of his work too.
Numerous the list, but all of it

858
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.159
that I see anyway, unless he's
written a children's book and didn't tell me

859
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:29.480
about it, all centers around the
behavior of the national security state, historical

860
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:34.400
relevance, you know, and things
that go on related to guess what,

861
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:38.039
the darker side, the covert side, and the overt side of spheres of

862
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:43.880
influence all over the place. You
can study that through Larry Hancock's work Surprise

863
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.199
Attack, Shadow Warfare, some of
it he co authored with Stu Wexler.

864
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:54.079
Absolutely true, but creating chaos unidentified. I mean, you can't escape the

865
01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:00.559
national security angle on all of these
topics, from UAPs to the JFK assassination,

866
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:07.559
to the various political intrigues that came
about as a result of various operations

867
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:12.480
of shadow warfare literally and of course
the denial that comes with it, like

868
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.400
in denial. You know that book
that I advertise on here. Anyway,

869
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.920
all of it together, If you
read any of Larry Hancock's stuff, you've

870
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.480
gotten a full education on a topic
at least one, if not several.

871
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:29.039
Larry dash Hancock dot com go there, check out his works blog whatever you

872
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.880
can, because the man is a
treasure. And I'm happy to have you

873
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.559
with me here, Larry. We're
going to cover a couple of things,

874
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.079
and we're going to start with a
question that I actually got from more than

875
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:44.639
one listener in about the space of
a couple of days related to the JFK

876
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:46.639
assassination. But before we get there, even how are you doing tonight?

877
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:52.719
I'm doing good. It's it's summer, it's hot in Oklahoma. But you

878
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:58.480
know, we're surviving and there are
no national natural catastrophes occurring here at the

879
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.360
moment, and we're thankful. So
that means you're not in Hawaii, you're

880
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.440
not in California or anywhere elsewhere all
hell might break loose because of mudslides,

881
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:10.239
tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. Or
just you know, fires, whether they

882
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:15.079
be natural or unnatural or they happen
to me because the poor forest management,

883
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.360
or they happen to me because of
down power lines, or you know what.

884
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:21.199
There's a lot of disasters, and
if you're not near one of them,

885
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.239
it's a blessing. So here we
go, and not just you,

886
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:28.400
Larry, but anybody's listening. If
you're not near something that's burning down,

887
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:32.800
getting blown around or knocked down or
electrified, you're used to count that as

888
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:38.000
a serious blessing. Anyway, Yeah, this JFK question that came up,

889
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:45.079
it has come up many times,
and it started in my mind as far

890
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.199
as a serious point of discussion when
this book, Ultimate Sacrifice was released and

891
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:54.239
there were some documentaries that accompanied it
and seemed to come out almost in support

892
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:59.920
of the book on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, I think even

893
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.239
maybe PBS touched on it. I
don't remember, but even small segments on

894
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:09.800
news channels talked about this book.
It was a big deal and Tom Hartman

895
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.840
was attached to it along with Lamar
Waldron. Tom Hartman of course a big

896
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:18.840
time figure at a certain point in
recent history, having been kind of popular

897
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:25.800
on RT Tom Hartman Show. He
was part of liberal broadcasting, History,

898
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:30.119
etc. Etc. Anyway, interesting
guys, interesting authors, and they presented

899
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:38.239
an interesting theory which combined some old
theories and some old thoughts on the assassination

900
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:42.639
having to do with organized crime,
its involvement with Cuba. At first,

901
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:47.760
it seems like and then the discussion
comes around regarding well, maybe the theory.

902
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:55.599
Maybe John F. Kennedy was assassinated
because an invasion of Cuba was about

903
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.880
to happen and it had to be
stopped. So the people that had no

904
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:05.000
interest in Cuba being invaded made sure
he got killed. I know that that's

905
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:09.480
a real nasty way to put it, but I mean that's pretty much when

906
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:14.079
I started to hear from people who
were not well read in I mean literally

907
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.280
the guy I talked about a few
weeks on a show a few weeks ago

908
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:20.800
who said to me, I've read
every book on the assassination. A guy

909
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.840
said that to me once, Larry, I've ever told you that story.

910
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.599
No, that's that's fascinating, and
he has my sympathy. Yes, absolutely,

911
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:32.760
But here's the punchline. Uh,
you know it was great. He

912
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.199
said, I read every book on
the case. I know about it already

913
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:40.280
because somebody mentioned you were interested in
the Kennedy assassination. So is this guy

914
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.280
chuck in you know, two ten
or twelve? Uh? You know what

915
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.639
are we talking about? Twenty some
odd years after I probably cracked open my

916
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:54.079
first serious bit of research. Okay, so yeah, sure, I'm interested.

917
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.719
You've read every book on the case. Wow, that's great. So

918
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.440
I said to the guy, how
many books is? Do you think is

919
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.159
every book on the case? Can
you venture a guess at how many it

920
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:10.880
was? Larry, Oh, I'm
if you looked at fact and fiction and

921
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:14.880
everything, if you really wanted to
cover I would. I would say if

922
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.559
he if he doesn't exceed two hundred, then he's not even close. Oh

923
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.800
yeah, no, absolutely true.
And look I'm smiling over here because you

924
01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:26.639
know I'm about to give you the
serious, smart ass response. Here's the

925
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:29.280
thing. If he started at two
hundred, I'd say, okay, nice

926
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.840
try. But even back then,
we were over a thousand books. I

927
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:39.239
knew that a thousand books between the
self published stuff, the you know straight

928
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:43.440
ahead you know, mainstream press,
well known press, the carol and grafts

929
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.400
of the world, so on and
so forth. Right, I knew we

930
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:53.400
were over a thousand pieces of publication
that could be counted as books. But

931
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:56.159
if somebody said two hundred, I'd
say, you know what, you did

932
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:59.239
a fair job. And I know
I lost count somewhere around three hundred for

933
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:04.239
me. But no, what would
be the most ridiculous answer somebody could give

934
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:10.480
for how many books there were on
the assassination? Say around the fiftieth anniversary,

935
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.840
Larry, I mean during that time, but I mean up to that

936
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.400
ten try three. I loved that. Yeah, I've read three books on

937
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:27.760
it. I went kill kick.
So you're not aware that there's probably about

938
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.920
a thousand and three books, you
know? And then he thought I was

939
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:34.440
exaggerating, said, okay, let
me ask you about your theories. Anyways.

940
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:39.840
The reason why I bring it up
is because guess what his explanation almost

941
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:44.280
sounded like that sloppy thing I handed
you at the beginning here regarding the c

942
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:50.679
Day idea, This idea that a
impending invasion of Cuba could only be stopped

943
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:57.039
by murdering John F. Kennedy.
Therefore, nefarious actors executed John F.

944
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:03.079
Kennedy to prevent the invasion of Cuba. Okay, is that a fair summation

945
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:10.159
that sentence I just gave you of
the general idea here? Yeah, definitely,

946
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:17.520
The fundamental thing in that view is
that an invasion was imminent. And

947
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:26.880
I think in reading reading the book
that we're talking about about it, I

948
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.720
myself, I've always got a little
bit confused as to what appeared to me

949
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:35.640
to be conflicting motives, with some
of the players wanting to stop it and

950
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:41.720
other of the players on the organized
crime site wanting to take advantage of the

951
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:45.880
opportunity to kill JFK. To blame
it on the people that wanted to stop

952
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.960
it. It's like, Okay,
at that point in time, my mind

953
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:55.159
starts to boggle a bit. But
so, yeah, the fundamental thing is

954
01:08:55.199 --> 01:09:00.000
there's going to be an evasion,
and it's it's both a It is the

955
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:04.840
fundamental motive for something to happen,
whether you want to stop it or take

956
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:10.079
advantage of it. Now, the
weird thing about it is that the mob

957
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:14.600
would have been motivated by wanting to
regain their casinos was the general thought pattern,

958
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:16.000
you know, the thing that they
had been kicked out of, you

959
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:20.520
know, because Batista was removed from
power. Castro said you guys gotta go,

960
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:25.199
and they lost a lot of money. And that sounds like a plausible

961
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:30.199
motive to the average person. But
the specifics of the question that were asked.

962
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:33.880
There is something that grows out of
this. Even if the person who

963
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:38.760
asked the question had never read that
book, or was not involved in it

964
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:42.840
at the time, or anything else. I understand that you might be saying

965
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.439
to yourself if I asked that question
and I know that I didn't even read

966
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.840
that book, maybe maybe I don't
know, Maybe Jimmy did read the book.

967
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:53.039
Actually, Jimmy's one of the people
that asked. He might have read

968
01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:56.520
it. And you know, credit
where credits do. It's fine. So

969
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.640
Jimmy James is one of the people
that asked that question, and Darryl asked

970
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:06.079
another version of that question a little
less clearly, but it's okay, believe

971
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:11.800
it or not. The popularization of
this idea, the popularization of what it

972
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.439
is that you asked about, comes
from that time period. This is why

973
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.359
it's still kicking around on the internet, which is the only reason I bring

974
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.520
it up. I'm not trying to
place a bunch of blame on Lamar,

975
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:28.680
Lamar Waldron and Tom Hartman here because
these ideas did pre exist them, but

976
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:33.640
they claim to have evidence because of
some documentation. Right, So let's look

977
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:36.439
at the specifics of the question and
get to it. Larry, go ahead.

978
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:42.119
I'll just turn it over to you
because I've given you the semi convoluted

979
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.680
version of it, guys, because
somebody has to voice it, and I

980
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.199
want Larry to straighten it out.
So this way he doesn't have to get

981
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:53.159
all dirtied up and muddied up with
the odd explanations. So why don't we

982
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:55.600
look at the question. Let me
try and put it in front of me

983
01:10:55.640 --> 01:11:00.439
too, because I know do you
have in front of you? I'm sorry,

984
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:02.199
yes, I do, Okay,
good, yeah, So I'll just

985
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.640
let you address the question and I'll
defer to you by the way. So

986
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:10.880
well, and just for a little
context the history. I had been talking

987
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.840
with Lamar. We both lived in
Atlanta, we knew each other. I

988
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:21.880
had been talking to him about a
research and about two major areas which both

989
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:27.439
are are involved in the question.
Because the question, I said, is

990
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:33.359
is complex because you're looking at two
different motives being involved. Lamar had two

991
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:36.840
things working, and there are two
things that work in the book. One

992
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:43.920
was the discovery of a series of
documents that he felt suggested that there was

993
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:51.600
a major coup planning effort underway.
By the Kennedy administration to be accompanied by

994
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:58.880
There would be this coup, but
it would only occur in conjunction with an

995
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:06.560
actual landing of troops, a D
Day type military invasion by US personnel.

996
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:14.039
And the scenario is literally that the
coup kicks off the coup members. This

997
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:16.560
is a replay of the Bay of
Pigs to some extent, but the coup

998
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:21.439
members call for resistance, and this
time the assistance is there in a big

999
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:28.319
way, and JFK actually orders,
you know, a full scale military intervention

1000
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:32.239
in Cuba to support the coup.
And Lamar had picked up on the fact,

1001
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:38.119
and correctly of course, that we
now know in great detail that the

1002
01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:45.439
US was working to stimulate coup activities
in nineteen sixty three. There's no doubt

1003
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:48.000
about that. We even know the
project's name, So there was no doubt

1004
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:54.840
about that. There was no doubt
that there was a project to single out

1005
01:12:54.880 --> 01:13:00.000
a particular leader that would would be
put into into Cuba a position to call

1006
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:05.760
for that assistance. A fellow named
our teammate, Manuel, our teammate,

1007
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:14.000
and there was a project called am
World built around setting up our teammate to

1008
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:18.279
have a military element that could go
in you know that you've got a one

1009
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:25.359
two three operation going here. Coup
starts with enablers inside Cuba, our teammate

1010
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:30.359
lends as forces, calls for support, and the Navy shows up in a

1011
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:35.640
big way. That's the scenario.
And this was all folded under something called

1012
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:41.039
C Day, which is an extension
of the D Day concept. So it

1013
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.600
ends up with military intervention. And
the issue is at that point in time,

1014
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:50.439
Miss Lamar and I were talking,
there were documents available, a few

1015
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:56.760
documents on all of this. Yeah, could you find documents about a coup

1016
01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:00.640
project? Yeah, about Amworld which
as an art teamMy project. Sure,

1017
01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:08.079
And you could find a number of
documents about military planning for intervention in Cuba.

1018
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:15.840
In nineteen sixty two, JFK had
actually authorized a major exercise in the

1019
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:23.760
Caribbean and the exercise was literally to
simulate a landing in Cuba. So you

1020
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:28.680
could you could find those documents.
The military had been not only preparing plans,

1021
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:34.000
but it exercised it. And in
nineteen sixty three, even more to

1022
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:41.560
the point, JFK had had authorized
the Joint Chiefs to become involved in taking

1023
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:46.680
over covert operations against military operations against
Cuba from the CIA, so you could

1024
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:49.880
find. Yeah, if you're looking
for documents and you only have a few

1025
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:54.199
of them, one of the things
you're stuck with is I only have a

1026
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.840
few documents, and all of these
things are in play. Let me try

1027
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.520
to wrap up a scenario around all
of them. And so that was the

1028
01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:08.319
origin of c Day. And then
then Lamar integrated another area that he had

1029
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:15.079
spent a lot of time on,
which was Carlos Marcello and Marcello's drive to

1030
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.439
revenge himself against the Kennedy brothers.
And you wrapped all that up, and

1031
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:25.239
you've got Ultimate Sacrifice. You got
the book. Now. The problem is,

1032
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:29.000
as I say, I had been, I had been researching am World

1033
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.359
myself. At that point, Lamar
and I started talking. Lamar said,

1034
01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:35.279
well, you know, I'd appreciate
it if you don't you don't put out

1035
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.800
anything about these am World documents,
because I'm going to be publishing this really

1036
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:43.319
important book and they're very important to
him. And I said, well,

1037
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:47.119
hey, fine, you know you
got it, go for it. And

1038
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:50.760
he published the book, and I
kept working on am World, and I

1039
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:55.439
kept find any more documents, and
we got to the point where, I

1040
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:59.399
mean, new documents have been released
on an ongoing basis, and we got

1041
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:02.640
to the point where we could tell
the full story of am World and see

1042
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:09.119
that it was nowhere near what Lamar
thought it was. It there was,

1043
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:15.800
our teammate wasn't. Nobody'd even recruited
people, bought weapons, whatever. Our

1044
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:23.359
teammate's first military operation in a very
small scale didn't begin until like April of

1045
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:28.560
nineteen sixty four. There was no
way he was there for to trigger cy

1046
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:30.720
Day. Well, would it suffice
to say light, let me just ask

1047
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.479
this question, because I think this
is key here. Would it suffice to

1048
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:43.479
say that there was not? Even
though we see the planning stage, the

1049
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:45.960
gaming stage, so to speak,
of how would we do this, we

1050
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:55.039
don't see the actual actions in place
to make it an eminent operation that was

1051
01:16:55.119 --> 01:17:00.479
basically ready to go that may have
been derailed simply by these fascination. Oh

1052
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:05.800
yeah, there are no evidence of
assets being moved into play, no military

1053
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:14.159
you know, no ships being positioned. From military standpoint. There was just

1054
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:19.199
no sign, you know, in
November, that anything was being moved or

1055
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:25.840
positioned for that kind of operation.
You know, as we had seen before,

1056
01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:30.800
like during the missile crisis, you
have to move a lot of equipment,

1057
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.840
a lot of logistics, because that's
during the Missile crisis in sixty two,

1058
01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:41.680
that's exactly what they did. They
moved everything in position for an invasion

1059
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:45.479
to Cuba, and everybody noticed.
You can't do that without going, oh,

1060
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.720
there's a railroad train full of tanks, and I don't look at the

1061
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:55.239
ships that have pulled into Hampton Roads
or you know, Jacksonville. You know,

1062
01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:59.920
people notice. Okay, none of
that was apparent. The other real

1063
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:04.479
problem for Lamar was the fact that
people turned up the fact that the main

1064
01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:12.479
Cuban figure in the Castro regime that
Lamar had identified as going to be the

1065
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:17.560
trigger and the key person who actually
I think was going to assassinate Fidel Castro

1066
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:23.960
fellow named Almada, was actually not
in Cuba at the time. He was

1067
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.840
in Europe as in Spain, as
I recall. So that wasn't in play

1068
01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.960
either. So you didn't have you
didn't have the element, the military element

1069
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:35.840
stage that would have been necessary for
c D. He didn't have the enabler

1070
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:41.399
for the coup, and you didn't
have our teammate in place, so you

1071
01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:47.640
had none of those three elements.
But again we didn't learn that until Lamar

1072
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:53.800
had published his book, I think
now work yeah, in fairness to Waldron

1073
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:58.920
and an Hartmann, knowing what we
know now is different as opposed to what

1074
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:01.600
they had to work with at the
time. And there are various elements like

1075
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:06.520
the location. I think of one
of the prime figures, like the lack

1076
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:10.520
of recruitment that would have been necessary, because they would have at least needed

1077
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:12.920
to recruit people and get him ready
to do this stuff. It's not like

1078
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:17.319
you can do this overnight, those
things not being in place. Maybe we're

1079
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:24.159
not self evident in the documents as
they stood at the time. And I

1080
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.840
think Waldron published in two thousand and
five, you know, ahead of the

1081
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.039
fiftieth anniversary, and within an amount
of time it gained a lot of traction.

1082
01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:35.680
But it's not even about him.
And by the way, we also

1083
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:42.119
have to extract from this equation the
whole mob element a bit. Why because

1084
01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:46.079
objectively speaking, you could say that
this may have absolutely nothing to do with

1085
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:55.159
a organized crime motive. For instance, Marcello could have just wanted to strike

1086
01:19:55.199 --> 01:20:00.119
back at the Kennedy's because he felt
burned over again the popular theory that we

1087
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.560
helped him win the election in Illinois. Objectively, I'm saying I don't believe

1088
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:10.119
this, but objectively you can't remove
you can't get hung up on that either

1089
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:15.199
because the mob having been in play
or not is not necessarily relevant or irrelevant

1090
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:21.159
exclusively to what it is we're talking
about here. The bottom line is that

1091
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:24.960
there is a lack of evidence.
And again I want to go to the

1092
01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:30.680
specifics of the question because you know, Jimmy had asked about the particulars there

1093
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:35.680
with Rankin's testimony and what he knew
at the time when he said what he

1094
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:40.600
said, you know, in front
of the HSCA, So I wouldn't mind

1095
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:45.119
addressing that as well. But let's
just be careful about this because and I'm

1096
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:46.920
not telling you to be careful,
Larry, I'm saying this just out loud

1097
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:53.760
for myself and really that you know, let's just keep it straight, right,

1098
01:20:54.399 --> 01:21:00.640
There's just not enough evidence to support
the idea that there was this c

1099
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.520
day that either A needed to be
stopped or you needed to turn it around.

1100
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:08.479
And but you don't have the operation
realistically looking like it was happening.

1101
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.199
You do have contingency plans, which
again I've had to explain, are not

1102
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:19.199
necessarily things that are happening, and
that's what a lot of those documents look

1103
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:25.479
like that even Waldron was working with
at the time, right, So that

1104
01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:30.439
in and of itself, all by
itself, doesn't say that you have an

1105
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.119
operation. You do have people thinking
about it, you have two people.

1106
01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:38.479
How would we do this as opposed
to let's get this done? Or is

1107
01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:42.439
that an oversimplification on my part now? And I think that's one of the

1108
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:46.439
risks that we all run when you
start interviewing people and you start asking questions

1109
01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:50.720
like, well, was there talk
of or did you hear anything about or

1110
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:55.640
you know? And the point is, of course there was talk. We

1111
01:21:55.720 --> 01:22:00.239
know there was talk. You could
ask any number of people. Were their

1112
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:02.439
plans to invade Cuba? Sure there
were, As you said, there were

1113
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:09.840
contingency plans, and they were routinely
updated. And even as of the again

1114
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:14.840
summer of nineteen sixty three, there
are plans, as I said, to

1115
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:21.800
start the military conducting covert military operations
against Cuba by the end of the year.

1116
01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:28.680
Okay, So again from a timing
standpoint, this was being taken away

1117
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:33.520
from the CIA, away from the
jmwave station and the maritime troops, and

1118
01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:41.840
that's why we actually see trainers,
army trainers like Bradley Aires in Miami starting

1119
01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:45.159
to take over those duties. And
just as a clarification here, Yeah,

1120
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:49.840
and just as a point of clarification, AM World or AM World is described

1121
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:56.960
as a CIA operation because they are
literally evoking Kubark as a code word,

1122
01:22:57.439 --> 01:23:02.119
which is for the CIA. Right, So that's that's who we're talking about

1123
01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:05.319
here with the contingency plan in the
first place, they're a key player there.

1124
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:14.359
And simultaneously or should I say,
parallel to that contingency plan being made

1125
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:19.079
or being circulated or whatever's going on
with it, there is also this shift

1126
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:25.640
taking away some of that responsibility,
maybe because things are cooling off post Cuban

1127
01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:30.520
missile crisis, and maybe we don't
want those covert operators who maybe weren't as

1128
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:35.239
trustworthy. I mean, I'm just
speculating here, but maybe those responsibilities needed

1129
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:40.319
to be taken out of their hands
so we didn't end up with any more

1130
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:43.760
poor results. Somebody else better handle
this. I mean again, am I

1131
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:53.279
oversimplifying? The real background for that
is that that JFK had been very a

1132
01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:57.199
year before, year and a half
before, he had been very unhappy,

1133
01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:03.880
a fact that we couldn't seem to
do enough damage to North Vietnam with covert

1134
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:10.279
operations to dissuade them from doing what
they were doing in the South. It's

1135
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:13.920
like, Okay, if they can
conduct all these activities in the South,

1136
01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:16.600
we need to inflict some pain to
show them that it's not worth it.

1137
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:23.159
So the CIA had been conducting covert
opts against the North and literally failed.

1138
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:27.119
You know, I go through that
in Shadow Warfare at length, and Matt

1139
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:32.640
namara had convinced JFK that that was
because the CIA really didn't have the military

1140
01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:40.199
assets, the personnel, the training, military operations, and of course everybody

1141
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:43.960
had concluded that after the Bay of
Pigs, I think this is no shock.

1142
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:47.239
I think you touched on this and
in Denial as well. Yeah,

1143
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:51.119
And so mc namaric convinced JFK,
and JFK had said, well, you're

1144
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:57.680
right, let's start. And so
they've started a program called Switchback, which

1145
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:01.840
was moving it from CIA to the
military, and that was well underway in

1146
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:09.239
Vietnam, and that's what was going
to happen against Cuba. But as we've

1147
01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:14.159
taught before, JFK was really in
regard to Cuba. By the fall of

1148
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.800
nineteen sixty three, he's balancing three
different things, three different tracks, three

1149
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:23.159
different approaches. Because he was the
ultimate pragmatist, he's sort of like,

1150
01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:28.680
Okay, we need to put a
more effective lever in place to inflict pain

1151
01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:32.079
in sabotage. We're going to hand
it off. You know, the CIA

1152
01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:38.079
just can't seem to make this work. The military is going to start using

1153
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:43.439
their personnel and do it deniably.
So that's in play, and you see

1154
01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:47.479
some really detailed military planning for pulling
that off. And the second thing in

1155
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.680
play is he's going to let the
CIA have am World and our teammate.

1156
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:57.520
They're going to move that all offshore. That's going to create pain in another

1157
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:01.840
way where the you know, the
CIA is just supporting that. He's never

1158
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:05.239
supposed to be associated with it.
So he got those two things going,

1159
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:11.840
and he's starting to talk negotiations with
Castro back channel and all that, right,

1160
01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:16.159
Yeah, the back channel. And
you can't imagine a more chaotic situation.

1161
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:21.079
So if you want to start interviewing
people about what was being discussed by

1162
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:26.039
whom we're at that point in time, you'll find just about anything, Yeah,

1163
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:29.319
because you could have anything from want
to find Yeah, you could have

1164
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:31.920
anything from Look, he was actually
going to start working with and opening up

1165
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:35.600
Cuba, you know, which is
one possibility if you're talking to people who

1166
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:41.079
are somehow involved with the back channel. If you're talking to people that were

1167
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:44.520
at CIA, well maybe they were
a little irritated, but they were still

1168
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:47.920
operationally preparing for things, you know, the d I A. Well,

1169
01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:54.920
they were getting handed new responsibility,
so to speak. I mean, again,

1170
01:26:55.079 --> 01:27:00.439
there's a variety of options here,
right. History is never That's what

1171
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.800
bothers me about a lot of writing. History is never simple. There are

1172
01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:08.960
always multiple things going on at the
same time. So when you try to

1173
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:13.600
write it and straight linear fashion,
you've got a problem exactly. I mean,

1174
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:15.920
it forces you to condense it to
the point, you know, to

1175
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.880
try to make your point, and
it's never like that in reality. Right.

1176
01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:23.600
So I look, I'm gonna stop
asking questions here and let you wrap

1177
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:27.800
this up because I want to move
on to another topic before we're done tonight.

1178
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.039
So I want to give you a
chance to wrap up the total answer

1179
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:34.960
to the question that was asked,
which was a fair one about this situation.

1180
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:38.600
I think you've done a stellar job
so far, but what else do

1181
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:43.840
we need to add to cover all
of what was asked about there. I

1182
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:49.520
think all we I think the sumination
is that what Lamar did, what is

1183
01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:55.319
an ultimate sacrifice, is a scenario, and a lot of us who write

1184
01:27:55.319 --> 01:28:01.239
books about JFK probably don't put that
disclaimer up front, which you really should,

1185
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:06.000
and say, you know, with
the information available to us right now,

1186
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:11.199
this seems to be the most likely
view of what was going on.

1187
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:14.199
This is what it looks like,
but nobody writes that. And then the

1188
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:17.279
other problem check really is that you
never go back. You'd never get to

1189
01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:23.520
go back and fix it, so
it stays in play forever, even if

1190
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.479
you know better. I mean,
I've talked to authors, and I myself

1191
01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:30.359
have things and someone would have talked
that I would change now or take out

1192
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:32.840
a room. But you don't have
that option. You can write a new

1193
01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:39.359
book and say, look, everybody
read the newer book. Okay. Unfortunately

1194
01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:43.840
Lamar didn't get around to doing that, so nobody did. Well, he

1195
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:46.479
wrote another book, and he did
update that book as well. So the

1196
01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:53.960
thing is he added to his thesis. Well, yeah, okay, and

1197
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:57.119
that's usually what people do. They
add to their thesis. Look, I've

1198
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:00.079
got some new documents. They actually
support what I was saying, but they

1199
01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:03.560
you know, look, it's like
a prosecutor's brief, sort of like with

1200
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:09.920
what Bogliosi did, where you have
a one directional thing happening here. Okay,

1201
01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:15.560
you're not going to offer the contradictory
evidence. It's just it doesn't sell

1202
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:18.960
well to say. And that's the
problem here. It doesn't sell well to

1203
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:24.119
say, Look, this is just
a possibility, This isn't the truth,

1204
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:29.199
right, what sells best like this
ridiculous documentary I viewed recently that says we've

1205
01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:33.319
solved the case again. Of course, publishers don't like that. Publishers like

1206
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.479
you to be definitive and say,
just read this one book and you got

1207
01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:41.479
it all, you got it right. And that is the problem with a

1208
01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.199
second edition. Yeah you can do
it, but if the second edition,

1209
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.199
that's why I honestly say, and
what I've done, is you've got to

1210
01:29:49.239 --> 01:29:54.640
write a new book. If you
write a second edition and just flesh out

1211
01:29:55.000 --> 01:30:00.840
what was no that really everybody gets
confused used about what addition it was.

1212
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:08.039
And so again you can't recover.
You can't really recover with a second edition.

1213
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:10.520
You can make it a little bit
better, you can add to it.

1214
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:15.439
But if you if you were off
in the first place, that doesn't

1215
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:17.760
fix it, right, And here's
and here's the thing about it again,

1216
01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:23.359
just one real quick thing here is
that Look, it's not an attack on

1217
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.760
one particular book. It's just that
this is what popularized it. And if

1218
01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.720
you indeed go and do a search, you can probably find if all you're

1219
01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:34.960
looking for is more supporting evidence.
Uh, you know, and add right

1220
01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:40.239
the revision, the new version where
they add documentation to add a little more

1221
01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:44.159
weight to the thesis. You can
if that's all you look for. But

1222
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:49.520
there's more to it, and the
overall picture gets a little different when you

1223
01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:54.039
try and put everything on the table
that's relevant. That's all I'm saying about

1224
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:56.880
it. And I don't know if
you want to go to a quick break

1225
01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.119
before we change gears or if you
want to just change up. We can

1226
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:02.399
do it either way, Larry.
But well, I'm okay, I can

1227
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:06.479
shift. Okay, Well, then
let's just shift anyway and we'll just uh,

1228
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:12.760
we'll just go without the commercial then
fair enough, okay, And I'm

1229
01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:16.319
the I'm the quarterback here, blind
quarterback. That's fun. Anyways, we

1230
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:20.720
are gonna be uh, you're you're
actually physically going to the JFK conference.

1231
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:26.479
Have we confirmed that yet or that
is that is my definite plan. I'm

1232
01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.920
still I'm still working for shar on
how to get a ride there. I've

1233
01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:33.079
got to work that out, but
my intent is to go. The logistics

1234
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:38.079
are still slightly an open question.
Yeah, I got you know what.

1235
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:42.399
I'm in exactly the opposite position where
I've got to ride there, but I'm

1236
01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:45.279
not sure how I'm pulling off everything. So like, I'm not sure how

1237
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:49.199
I'm gonna eat the whole weekend just
yet, you know, and stuff like

1238
01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:54.399
that, or even pay for all
the gas. Yet I'm working on it.

1239
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:57.960
I'm working on it. But anyway, that's all happening. So uh,

1240
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:00.640
you know, hopefully Larry will be
in person and at the Lancer conference

1241
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:05.560
between the seventeenth and nineteenth along with
me there in Dallas, Texas. Gonna

1242
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:09.159
be really happy to shake your hand
once again and hang out with you a

1243
01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:14.640
little, Larry. That'll be fun. But we'll we'll we'll definitely address anything

1244
01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:18.600
there and probably a couple of shows
leading up to the November seventeenth dates.

1245
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:23.760
Uh, you and I will wind
up having another conversation or two about JFK.

1246
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:27.520
But uh, you know, and
who knows, we might bring on

1247
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:30.039
some other people. I'd actually like
to bring on some new people. Uh

1248
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:34.279
and and you know, and and
maybe some people we've heard from before in

1249
01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:40.239
the run up to the conference.
But for now, let's put this aside

1250
01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:45.880
because current events are interesting and guaranteed
if Larry's got to write another book,

1251
01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:49.760
uh say, another book related to
creating chaos, not an update, although

1252
01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:54.840
you could probably include this in an
update. Uh, we're gonna we're gonna

1253
01:32:54.880 --> 01:33:00.800
shift right on over to Russia and
what's happening there, or maybe more aptly

1254
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:03.399
or more correctly, I should say, we're going to switch to Belarus.

1255
01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:09.439
And oh wait a minute, that
Wagoner group guy we were talking about not

1256
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:15.479
too long ago, the chef himself, he's apparently dead. Larry. Interesting

1257
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:16.880
how the media has covered it.
Of course, they're very busy with the

1258
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:19.359
debates, like you know, we
were talking about with Swanson in the first

1259
01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:25.000
hour, But outside of that,
they did announce that a plane went down

1260
01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:30.760
and Progosion is presumed dead. Now, some people have said, like myself

1261
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:34.039
on social media already, I mean
I think I literally put a hashtag on

1262
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:40.239
it, putin being Putin is what
I put on the news story because I

1263
01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:44.960
feel like it's awfully coincidental that a
plane crashes, you know, with a

1264
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:49.840
guy who might have, according to
many many reports, have run a near

1265
01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:57.560
coup against Vladimir Putin. That is, this very interesting and effective figure in

1266
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:01.640
certain spheres of influence. And I'm
calling him the chef because he was.

1267
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:10.880
He was a chef anyway, who
was running this private military group. Anyway,

1268
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:14.239
he's dead now, and I was
curious if you wanted to cover this

1269
01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:16.800
and talk about what your thoughts are
on it and what you see happening,

1270
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.680
or what the relevance of it is
or anything. I just sort of leave

1271
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:24.359
it open to you. Larry go
ahead. Yeah, I think one of

1272
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:30.199
the things that strikes me about this
is that, yeah, for agat it.

1273
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:33.319
For considering book titles, I think
I'd have to move into something called

1274
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:41.960
like chaos, extreme extreme chaos,
chaos squared, because what's happening inside Russia

1275
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:46.199
just literally is not rational. And
I think that's what we see going on

1276
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:56.399
with Proceiding. I mean, Kutin
is really sacrificing his nation for no obvious

1277
01:34:56.399 --> 01:35:00.760
purpose. I mean, I just
it's I haven't seen any it could set

1278
01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:05.479
down and say this is how this
has any strategic sense, any long term

1279
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:12.520
benefit to the nation any like you
and I have often talked about Russia having

1280
01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:16.720
descended into, you know, an
organized crime state. Well, one of

1281
01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:21.520
the things, correct me if I'm
wrong, is that an organized crime state

1282
01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:30.439
does not benefit from chaos. It
benefits from business as usual. When you

1283
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:32.680
know that, that's that's the way
you make money, that's the way you

1284
01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:38.840
retain your you know, well and
good on a street level. Okay,

1285
01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:41.760
again, I always take this to
the street level, Larry, excuse me,

1286
01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:45.880
but here's the thing. Why is
it that a neighborhood that is filled

1287
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:55.239
with hard working people protect the local
gangster because in their neighborhood things are operating

1288
01:35:55.279 --> 01:36:00.000
smoothly. Newbody wants to steal anything
in that neighborhood for fear they might run

1289
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:03.600
foul of the local gangster. Nobody
wants to mess with a business that the

1290
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:10.079
local gangster might be benefiting from because
that could have some serious consequences. So,

1291
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.960
in that way, it's not the
trains being run on time, but

1292
01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:19.520
it's the neighborhood being kept passive and
peaceful and orderly for the people that live

1293
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:25.119
there. That's an honest, direct
result. Now, so that speaks to

1294
01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:27.680
what you're talking about. But here's
the thing about this, and I think

1295
01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:30.800
it's it's different, and I wonder
what your thoughts are on this. The

1296
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:42.359
concept of re establishing Russia as this
power in and of itself. Is that

1297
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.520
not the motivation? Is it not
part of the things that we hear coming

1298
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:54.079
out of the Russian Orthodox Church,
etc. About Russian identity and Vladimir Putin

1299
01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:59.840
being an instrument of God and stuff
like that, Because that to me seems

1300
01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:05.119
to be the only rational motivation for
the greatness of and for the arguments made

1301
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:09.600
publicly that there were Nazis there,
we had to get rid of the Nazis,

1302
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:14.640
there were Russians, people that were
culturally Russian being attacked, and things

1303
01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:19.840
like that. He then ends up
with no choice but to do the thing

1304
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:29.279
that protects the Russian identity, the
Russian supremacy, the Russian you know,

1305
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:34.399
uniqueness, the blessing of Russia as
it in and of itself as an identity.

1306
01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:39.640
This is about Russian identity as opposed
to territory. That's the only rationale

1307
01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:44.359
I have in my mind about this. Good that's a rationale. But that

1308
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:47.800
is Putin. I think what you're
saying is that was not there before.

1309
01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:58.000
If you go back to a decade
ago, Yeah, Russia was. Russia

1310
01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:05.640
was living in the moment, Western
businesses, Western culture. But you know,

1311
01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:12.760
there was nobody. There was no
outcry against that, There was no

1312
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:18.159
surge of oh, we've got to
protect her. That all came out as

1313
01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:27.039
Putin began to look for a justification
of measures that he was putting into place

1314
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:30.960
to take total political power. So
I guess what I'm saying to you is

1315
01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:35.359
it's not that that was not there. The elements of that were not there,

1316
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:45.359
but he consciously cultivated them, enabled
them. So that rationale I don't.

1317
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:51.800
I don't. That certainly was not
important to Russia's economy, which was

1318
01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:58.840
doing just fine with the oligarchs,
thank you, or Russia's place in the

1319
01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:03.760
energy economy, which was doing just
fine, thank you. That was that

1320
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:11.000
was not there until it was cultivated, and Putin was the individual that cultivated

1321
01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:14.800
it. There's nobody else. So
I agree with you that that rational was

1322
01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:20.000
there, but it's a rationale that
has been developed by largely by one person,

1323
01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:23.119
and all I hate to do it
again, I'm going to say this

1324
01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:28.680
again, I like national socialism.
It doesn't mean that there weren't elements there

1325
01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:32.600
to be cultivated. But until you
cultivate it and make it the dominant theme

1326
01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:39.039
for your power base, you know, it's it's just something else. Are

1327
01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:42.840
there Are there people that will write
books about it? Are there people that

1328
01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:45.960
will speak about it in old seminars? Yeah, but nobody's paying any attention.

1329
01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:53.239
Now that's the dominant theme. But
so yeah, that is a rationale.

1330
01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:57.359
It's the Putin rationale. And if
you want to stay alive, you

1331
01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:01.479
probably better if you want to stay
alive, if you're already doing you know,

1332
01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:09.479
that's what you believe already, or
that's what you better believe. That

1333
01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:14.720
would that would be my position on
it, So that that I see that

1334
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:21.239
as something artificial overlaid onto business as
usual if it were quite quite frankly,

1335
01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:29.680
if it weren't artificial, Why in
the world would a military operation that was

1336
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:33.199
supposed to last, you know,
three to thirty days now be a total,

1337
01:40:33.399 --> 01:40:40.800
all consuming war. That just that's
not rational, that's ideological, and

1338
01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:46.680
it's it's just putting no fair enough. I mean, I just I just

1339
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:50.760
examined this and and say to myself, well, what is the proper rash

1340
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:55.760
now because it seems to be costing
too much treasure, too much resources,

1341
01:40:55.800 --> 01:41:00.760
et cetera, and enter progosion into
the equation. Now he's dead, and

1342
01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:05.039
somebody could say, look, it's
a coincidence that the plane goes down now,

1343
01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:11.159
and so on and so forth.
But I I don't know. My

1344
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:16.399
gut is telling me that can't be
right now, anybody that's anybody is I

1345
01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:19.720
want to find out who's saying that, because I've got some football bets that

1346
01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:24.079
I want to place Oh cool,
and I want they have to be the

1347
01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:27.640
ones I'm placing it with. Yeah, if you think that was a coincidence,

1348
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:30.319
drut me in not listen, I'm
I'm with you. It's fine.

1349
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:35.279
I just I'm just throwing it out
there. As you know, somebody's gonna

1350
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:41.239
make excuses about this, Okay,
it's just that simple. I don't know

1351
01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:45.359
what a good excuse would be for
this to happen at this time, that

1352
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:49.319
it's coincidental, et cetera. But
it's, uh, what do you think

1353
01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:53.760
the fallout is going to be from
this? What do you think the result

1354
01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:56.640
is going to be? I mean, let's get to that and also get

1355
01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:59.920
to the idea that you know,
as I said, I mean I boiled

1356
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:03.279
down to a simple astag Putin being
putin. I don't think it's uncommon for

1357
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:10.239
his enemies to have accidents shortly after
they make themselves known to be his enemies.

1358
01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:14.720
So you know, I'll leave it
at that and let people make up

1359
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:18.079
their own minds. But what do
you what do you think what is the

1360
01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:23.359
actual result of this? Yeah?
Good? There were two problems. The

1361
01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:28.600
major problem is Prosigan had the ability
and I'm not quite sure how he did

1362
01:42:28.640 --> 01:42:38.039
this to establish his own alternative center
of influence. I mean, he had

1363
01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:44.640
established it in in Africa, and
there is a great debate now where whether

1364
01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:51.279
he Russian or Wagner Group influence in
Africa will remain what it was, a

1365
01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:55.960
lot of those connections and friendships.
I mean, he had just come back

1366
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.439
from Africa. They were very personal. They trusted him, they used his

1367
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:04.399
group. You know, will they
trust the next folks around? I don't

1368
01:43:04.399 --> 01:43:09.359
know even know who's waving in the
wings. And if the Wagner group is

1369
01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:15.479
disassembled literally and they're starting to take
across a part their base in belaruss and

1370
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:20.600
they were recruiting for Africa, and
if Kuten tries to shove in one of

1371
01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:26.199
the other military companies, and right
now they're at least half a dozen other

1372
01:43:26.319 --> 01:43:31.880
military companies. Almost all of the
major businesses, like gas from their left

1373
01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:38.159
have started setting up their own contract
militaries, which you know, okay,

1374
01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:44.199
if he tries to substitute somebody,
will that work. The Wagener Group literally

1375
01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:51.000
was a major source of revenue,
economic influence for Russian and Africa, and

1376
01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:55.239
he's put that at risk. I
don't think there's any doubt about it.

1377
01:43:55.600 --> 01:44:02.439
The Wagner Group was actually a destabling
force for in Della russ making Poland very

1378
01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:10.600
nervous, making Lithuania very nervous.
That's going to go away. So from

1379
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:15.439
one perspectives, as we talked a
couple of weeks ago, I think Wegner

1380
01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:19.600
and Proceeding we're still of value to
Putin, But to Russia if not to

1381
01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:26.079
Putin, So what harm was they
doing? Was he going to be doing?

1382
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:32.479
You know, to me it seems
very personal. What Putin has begun

1383
01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:41.279
doing seems to be no longer strategic, but just very If you look at

1384
01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:46.000
the remarks that he made about proceeding
today, they were very much on the

1385
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:53.680
order if he got what he deserved. You know, read the remarks that

1386
01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:58.079
he gave and see if it doesn't
feel that way. And so it feels

1387
01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:00.960
to me very much like revenge,
or it feels to me again in the

1388
01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:08.039
terms that we're talking about, you
know, the Godfather, just having a

1389
01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:11.439
gut level feel that, you know, God, I've got to protect my

1390
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:15.960
turf, regardless of the consequences.
You know, will it disturb the police,

1391
01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:17.880
yao, will disturb the FBI,
Yeah, will disturb the government,

1392
01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:23.439
doesn't matter. You know. It's
kind of like I have to show to

1393
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:29.159
me it and I was, as
you know, for a time there,

1394
01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:33.239
I was a big proponent of how
smart Putin was and how strategic he was,

1395
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:36.880
and how he was playing the game
perfectly. It just still seems to

1396
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:43.720
me like it's coming to part at
the seams. So this is definitely not

1397
01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:47.399
This is more the you know,
it doesn't matter that the guy was a

1398
01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:54.760
big earner for me number running numbers
because he had to go. I had

1399
01:45:54.800 --> 01:46:00.520
to let this be an example.
So I lose a little bit, but

1400
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:06.560
it's okay because I have to remain
indisputable. I mean, is that is

1401
01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:10.119
that what it comes down to?
I mean, I think that's that's a

1402
01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.920
perfect description. That may hurt a
little bit, but uh, you know,

1403
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:16.920
if I don't, it's gonna raise
ongoing questions. He's still gonna be

1404
01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:21.600
there, He's gonna still have his
own loyalist. He's still it's kind of

1405
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:26.880
like somebody that started to run his
own you know, his own betting wire

1406
01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:30.319
or somebody has started to run or
you know, he's still out there.

1407
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:34.199
And no, it's not gonna hurt
me, but it makes me look weak

1408
01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:39.079
right now because it's not me,
and it really needs to all be about

1409
01:46:39.159 --> 01:46:42.960
me. I mean, how can
I have organized crime if it's not organized

1410
01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:45.239
by me. Well, in the
long run, if you're not the boss,

1411
01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:49.119
then other people don't have to take
you seriously. So you have to

1412
01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:54.680
make sure that that remains the established
fact, you know, like I said

1413
01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:58.000
about the whole point about Look,
you're not even going to bother to shoplift

1414
01:46:58.039 --> 01:47:02.319
in that neighborhood because you could be
disturbing something that's connected to the boss.

1415
01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:09.079
So why because he has absolutely no
mercy, it doesn't matter. You know,

1416
01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:12.640
Yeah, I stole a two dollar
thing, Yeah, but that two

1417
01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:15.119
dollars. It's not about the two
dollars it's about the fact that you dared

1418
01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:20.720
move against something that you knew he
shouldn't have moved against. So how do

1419
01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:29.039
you establish that by making sure there
is an inappropriate response so that it's so

1420
01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:34.800
ridiculous that nobody is going to want
to take that risk. Again, that's

1421
01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:39.800
the idea that you're supposed to be. I think we have something to reinforce

1422
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:46.000
that. I mean, today he
removed the commander of these Russian Air and

1423
01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:50.680
Space Force, okay, who had
been kind of a house arrest because it

1424
01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:56.439
appeared to be that he was an
ally at proceiging. Okay, but still

1425
01:47:56.640 --> 01:48:02.560
the point is the Russian Air Force
has really been the only if you want

1426
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:08.279
to look at what's done damage to
Ukraine in the last twelve months, it's

1427
01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:15.000
not really been the army. It's
been strategic missile and bombing attacks. Well,

1428
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:16.960
the fact that they were unchanged by
yeah, the fact that they were

1429
01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:20.960
unchallenged in the air, I mean, I'm clear, I mean how else

1430
01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:24.720
do you describe I mean, there
was no challenge to them significantly in the

1431
01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:28.840
air. That's the bottom line,
right, So why why would you want

1432
01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:33.399
to start taking apart but you know, starting to take about one of the

1433
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:38.279
things is, if you take out
the guy who was in charge, everybody

1434
01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:42.880
below is suddenly going to be competing, right, and they're juggling for position,

1435
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:46.560
and they're juggling for power, and
that's what they're thinking about or there

1436
01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:53.039
or they're thinking. I understanding from
what I'm reading today is it wasn't just

1437
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:58.000
that commander that got taken out.
A lot of the subordinate officers under him

1438
01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:02.039
have actually been killed literally liquidated,
right. Yeah, Well, and that's

1439
01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:05.600
it's another weird thing that came up
in the recent times, which is this

1440
01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:09.279
oddity of and I don't know what
to make of it, but I mean,

1441
01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:12.640
they literally launched a mission to the
Moon in the midst of all this,

1442
01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:16.960
and I'm going, why in the
hell would you direct like you look,

1443
01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:19.960
I know, it tips into your
other studies, which we're not going

1444
01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:23.920
to cover tonight at all. Maybe
next time we get together, we're going

1445
01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:27.359
to talk about this recent report that
the UAP group that you're working on.

1446
01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:30.960
And yes, I do connect those
things in my mind. Maybe we'll discuss

1447
01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:34.520
that next time. But it didn't
you find that strange though, that that

1448
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:39.479
sort of popped up like hey,
and also, the Russians are launching a

1449
01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:44.119
mission to the moon, like,
I don't know why good I think that

1450
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:48.159
was looked upon as a diversion.
Okay, here's the other point we have

1451
01:49:48.199 --> 01:49:53.800
to consider. Aside from oil and
gas, which is taken a hit,

1452
01:49:54.880 --> 01:50:01.279
you know, at least somewhat,
Russian military technology and oversees Russian military sales

1453
01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:08.439
have been a pretty big in income, selling it to India, selling it,

1454
01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:12.600
you know, and selling it to
Iran, and you know that that's

1455
01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:21.199
Russian technology has, especially in the
military's rocket whatever as has been a strength

1456
01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:29.359
for the country. Now clearly the
performance of their equipment against Ukraine has not,

1457
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:33.359
you know, has made it considerably
harder to sell that stuff. So

1458
01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:41.880
I can see a successful lunar mission
kind of as a diversion. Yeah,

1459
01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:45.399
we still got the technology and we
still have to know how to do this.

1460
01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:49.600
Trust us, we make good stuff. We're still a superpower in space

1461
01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:58.119
technology now as it so happens,
there's still a superpower in military space,

1462
01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:00.880
which is a totally different thing.
That's how many satellites you have up and

1463
01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:05.319
so on and so forth. But
yeah, I can see it. I

1464
01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:11.960
can see that being continued as a
as a diversion and kind of a just

1465
01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.760
to show you still got it basically, and also to cover up the fact

1466
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:20.119
that quite frankly before year, in
the year of the Soviet Union, most

1467
01:51:20.119 --> 01:51:26.039
of that technology and science was coming
out of Ukraine, not Russia. Yeah

1468
01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:29.279
there's another thing. Okay, well, see I had that thought as well,

1469
01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:34.800
because Ukraine was key to the Soviet
Union and operations like this. I

1470
01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:40.840
mean they built the missiles, they
engineered the rockets, they built all almost

1471
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:47.000
all of the advanced weaponry and rockets
that that's that's Ukraine. Yeah, so

1472
01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:51.039
you know, there might have been
in helmet of that too. And and

1473
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:58.199
the Ukraine is busily if you really
monitor, re engineering all these weapons,

1474
01:51:58.279 --> 01:52:03.319
adapting weapons, and doing things with
weapons that nobody necessarily thought that they could

1475
01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:12.560
do. And Russia is sending you
know, a career Korea RA tanks to

1476
01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:17.079
backfill right Wait a minute, Yeah, no, it's a strange situation.

1477
01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:21.640
So altogether, though, you would
say that there's definitely some more fallout going

1478
01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:27.479
to come from this. It's gonna
be costly to some degree, whether it

1479
01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:32.000
was coincidence or planned. Uh you
know, look again, I leave it

1480
01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:36.319
to the judgment of the listener.
But but but here we are this is

1481
01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:42.680
the situation now as far as we
know. Uh, and it does leave

1482
01:52:42.760 --> 01:52:45.000
a strange sort of and those comments, I'm gonna have to go look at

1483
01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:49.640
them because I didn't really read deeply
into it as far as what he had

1484
01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:51.760
to say. I don't know how
much he had to say about it,

1485
01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:58.159
but I would be very interested since
you characterized it the way he did,

1486
01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:02.279
because well, he did say that
he was a good businessman. Okay,

1487
01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:06.960
Okay, well you know that's that's
positively. I can't can you can't bet

1488
01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.439
agree him, but it troubled anyway. But it's but you can't. You

1489
01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.199
can't denigrate the guy, you know, all the way across the board,

1490
01:53:15.199 --> 01:53:17.159
because then you look like Trump where
it's like, look, when he was

1491
01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:19.399
on my side, he was great. When he wasn't on my side,

1492
01:53:19.399 --> 01:53:24.159
he was awful. No, there's
a reality here somewhere. Okay. So

1493
01:53:24.399 --> 01:53:28.279
either he was useful and good at
what he was doing, because that's why

1494
01:53:28.319 --> 01:53:31.399
you brought him in, or you
know, he was no good all the

1495
01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:33.960
way. You can't just you know, he was totally useless anyway, who

1496
01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:38.359
cares? You can't do that.
There is one thing I forgot to mention

1497
01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.319
that we should bring up as a
downside. Okay, it was for Segan

1498
01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:50.560
who actually managed to take all of
Putin's gigantic fortune, move it offshore,

1499
01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:57.079
put it into a central laundering through
a central American bank. One of the

1500
01:53:57.119 --> 01:54:00.520
things that's being speculated right now is
if, if there is any real blowback

1501
01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:06.479
Proceigon had all of that information,
if there were a file, you know,

1502
01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:15.359
like Putin's rape and pillage of Soviet
Union file somewhere that would be released

1503
01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:21.199
to the press and the regression public
on his death. That has been speculated

1504
01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:26.920
and certainly would be something exciting,
but it might take a few days.

1505
01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.720
So I mean, you know,
are we about to see anymore? You

1506
01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:31.600
know? I mean, look,
you can't predict the future, but it

1507
01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:34.359
would be interesting if all of a
sudden there was a whole lot of stuff

1508
01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:42.640
dumped out there from unknown sources.
Uh, that really are not good for

1509
01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:45.319
you know, Putin's pr campaign that
he's been running for a couple of decades

1510
01:54:45.359 --> 01:54:51.439
now, So that would be interesting. But still this, uh, this

1511
01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:56.359
is I think there's more to come
about this or but what do you see?

1512
01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:58.840
I mean, do you think there'll
be more coming? Or are we

1513
01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:01.000
looking at the end of it?
And now this is just going to fade

1514
01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:04.960
away. Okay, the guy who
just recently, you know, and this

1515
01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:10.960
is the way it was described.
I think universally was almost responsible for a

1516
01:55:11.079 --> 01:55:15.640
coup in Moscow, right against Putin, against the Russian Federation. I think

1517
01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:23.239
everybody agrees that that just about almost
happened. Jes coincidentally gets killed in a

1518
01:55:23.239 --> 01:55:28.000
plane crash a few weeks later.
That seems a bit suspect to me.

1519
01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:31.920
And I'm wondering if there will be
more about this, if people will bother

1520
01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:35.520
to pay attention, or do you
think it'll just evaporate like so many other

1521
01:55:35.640 --> 01:55:41.600
dead journalists have under Putin. I
don't. I don't think it will evaporate.

1522
01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:47.479
Two reasons. Putin had a very
very deep social media I'm sorry,

1523
01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:53.720
proceeding had a very deep social media
network that he had created. He had

1524
01:55:53.760 --> 01:56:00.720
a lot of a lot of Wegner
folks who were very passionate about proceeding.

1525
01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:04.920
I mean, they're they're not going
to let that go. That's that's going

1526
01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:08.640
to stay one way at the other. But I think, as they said,

1527
01:56:09.039 --> 01:56:15.560
the reason I don't think it will
go away is Wegner represented a strategic

1528
01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:24.880
weapon, a strategic tool for Russia
and the story is going to be one

1529
01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:30.319
of the Putin have some brilliant maneuver
to recreate it somehow to fill that void.

1530
01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:38.960
All that void just exist. And
if so, they're a really significant

1531
01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:45.039
tool of Russian influence, especially in
Africa. Disappears and I don't know if

1532
01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:49.680
you if you saw it was everybody
is speculating now if he saw the press

1533
01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:57.880
conference at the Bricks meeting in South
Africa where Putin was supposed to appear but

1534
01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:00.439
didn't, because of course he would
have to have been arrested as a war

1535
01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:05.439
criminal. They had him appear remotely, but when they did their photo op,

1536
01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:11.520
he was just on a regular size
monitor and it was setting on the

1537
01:57:11.560 --> 01:57:16.760
floor, like h could they not
even get the President of Russia a little

1538
01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:25.119
table top to put the monitor on? So was that a subtle hint?

1539
01:57:25.119 --> 01:57:30.479
But no, I don't. I
think the loss of proceeding raises a big

1540
01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:36.279
question about Wegner and Wegner, you
know we've discussed it was a was a

1541
01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:43.840
valued asset for Russia. So did
you just write that off just on the

1542
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:49.000
spur of the moment for revenge or
does he have a plan. Well,

1543
01:57:49.039 --> 01:57:53.520
I guess that'll be like you said, it'll emerge soon. Does he have

1544
01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:56.760
a replacement? Does he have somebody
to go in there and take over the

1545
01:57:56.760 --> 01:58:00.319
Wegner group that he can put in
place to continue to use it effectively.

1546
01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:06.239
Does he have another Wegner's successor,
like you said, another private military organization

1547
01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:11.239
could come in and say, maybe
fill their role, or who knows,

1548
01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:15.279
maybe recruit the Wegner guys into a
whole new group. You know, some

1549
01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:20.199
kind of reorganization is in order here
now, because clearly Procegen was an individual

1550
01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:25.479
who was running it as an individual, much like we talked about many times

1551
01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:32.199
about organizations that are dependent upon the
character of the boss. Okay, I

1552
01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:39.600
think that Wegner is qualified as one
of those groups that was dependent on Procegen.

1553
01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:44.600
So it in and of itself as
it existed cannot exist. But can

1554
01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:48.119
a suitable replacement be named? What
can a suitable successor? The version that

1555
01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:51.880
the word was that a successor was
going to be the guy who had actually

1556
01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:57.600
formed it initially, but that guy
got killed on the plane, so you

1557
01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:00.760
know, the word was that,
well, you can just blow him out,

1558
01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:03.560
and this guy really knows the organization
from the inside out, and he'll

1559
01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:08.880
run it he doesn't have proceedons baggage
right, Well he's dad now too.

1560
01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:14.159
Unfortunately that guy went down with the
same plate. So yeah, that's that's

1561
01:59:14.239 --> 01:59:16.119
that. So Larry, is there
anything else we need to add to this?

1562
01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:19.359
Or should? I just remind people
to obviously at all times, I

1563
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:24.000
suggest go pick up Larry's work,
Go check out his blog, go to

1564
01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:29.600
Larry dash Hancock or Larry Hyphenhancock dot
com, check it out, pick up

1565
01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:33.319
his work wherever you can, and
keep your eyes peeled because we may be

1566
01:59:33.439 --> 01:59:39.239
appearing in Dallas together in November,
but also we're gonna have some other stuff

1567
01:59:39.279 --> 01:59:43.399
to discuss. The UAP group that
you work with just put out a brand

1568
01:59:43.399 --> 01:59:46.399
new report a couple of days ago, I think, right. Indeed,

1569
01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:51.640
sixty four page study. So sixty
four page study's not like a sixty four

1570
01:59:51.680 --> 01:59:57.000
page study has lots of charts in
it. There you go and goes all

1571
01:59:57.039 --> 02:00:01.079
the way from what year did it
start? Because nineteen forty five to nineteen

1572
02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:04.319
seventy five is span of the study. I remembered the seventy five, I

1573
02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:08.960
couldn't remember the forty five. So
basically, from World War Two to the

1574
02:00:09.000 --> 02:00:15.119
seventies, the study of the national
security. You know what was gathered,

1575
02:00:15.159 --> 02:00:18.000
what was known regarding this, right, I mean that this is the the

1576
02:00:19.079 --> 02:00:23.239
concept. But we'll get into the
details of that in the future show.

1577
02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:26.640
But as for tonight, we covered
the JFK question that was asked by a

1578
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:30.359
couple of listeners, and I think
it's important to always always examine these things

1579
02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:35.199
and the recent events regarding prosiging the
Wegner group, what's going on in Russia,

1580
02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:39.760
and of course if you want to
get a good baseline of knowledge about

1581
02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:43.439
that, I would suggest a book
by Larry Hancock called Creating Chaos, which

1582
02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:48.039
we've done several shows on, and
that is, uh, you know,

1583
02:00:48.159 --> 02:00:50.800
just as well written as the rest
of your work, Larry, and I

1584
02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:54.760
really appreciate you taking the time and
even staying with me a little over time

1585
02:00:54.800 --> 02:00:58.399
tonight so that we got a full
two hour o'chelly effect tonight, guys,

1586
02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:01.079
one hour with Mike Swanson, one
with Larry Hancock. Anything you want to

1587
02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:04.920
say in closing, no, that'll
that'll do it. Check. My only

1588
02:01:05.439 --> 02:01:12.119
regret is somehow I didn't manage to
copyright Creating Chaos, Like who new it

1589
02:01:12.159 --> 02:01:15.640
would last this long And we're still
we still need to reference it. It's

1590
02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:18.079
a great book. I've got it
on my shelf. Guys, you should

1591
02:01:18.119 --> 02:01:20.359
have it on yours. And I
don't care if you put it on your

1592
02:01:20.439 --> 02:01:25.319
kindle shelf or your physical shelf,
but I prefer the physical book, so

1593
02:01:25.880 --> 02:01:28.760
I suggest you get one. I
think I have one that is actually signed

1594
02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:31.199
by Larry. Anyways, I would
suggest you have figured out a way to

1595
02:01:31.199 --> 02:01:34.239
get that. Maybe you can get
one in Dallas at the Lancer conference this

1596
02:01:34.319 --> 02:01:39.000
year between the seventeenth and nineteenth and
November. But anyway, we'll have more

1597
02:01:39.039 --> 02:01:43.840
discussions with you, Larry in the
near future. And really really thanks again

1598
02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:47.199
for doing this with me. Always
enjoy it. Anyway, guys, I

1599
02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:50.359
am merely O'Kelly all of you,
or indeed the effect good