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Well we're here. We're on the
doorstep of Hull, Coogan putting all that

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gear in his back to the test
in twenty eleven, Oh Boy, Hulkster

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returning to the ring as part of
a total NonStop Hogan here and the Lapsed

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Fan Wrestling podcast It Bound for Glory
twenty eleven. Boss, and you better

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believe he's in jeans? What what
did? Who? Now? Would you

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say talk about getting back on track? Jesus literally get him at back on

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a track. Only the second match
we've seen in all of TNH because you

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know, he wrestled on that March
eighth, twenty ten Live Impact teaming with

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Abyss against aj Styles and Rick Flair, and that was, you know,

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extremely limited in terms of mobility because
it was prior to him going all in

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on the fusion surgery. He was
still trying to lacer spine treatments and so

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very limited in that regard. Here
though, against Sting and what essentially they

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ended up making a street fight so
that you can, you know, addressing

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street clothes and I'm not gonna do
I'm not going to wrestle you, brother,

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but I'll fight you dude. Time
you get to say that, I

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know what what is so funny?
Like what box in his mind? Do

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you think it checks to draw that
distinction? Like if he said this was

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a wrestling match and he just came
out dressed like that and brawled, people

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would be fine with it, I
know, I know, especially because you

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know, and I don't want to
give too much weight till we kind of

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dig into it. But they start
off with a side headlock for Fox's sake,

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right, right, you know,
I mean they would do right exactly?

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No DQ, you know, fine
to say there's no DQ match,

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Like, don't don't. I mean, I don't know what he thinks he

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does in American wrestling that he can't
do except for a leg drop, right,

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you know. Besides that can't dude, no matter what you call the

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match, right, So it's like, what the fuck? Like, what

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do you? What do you?
What can't you do? Pal? That

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can't be a standard Whole Cogan wrestling
match. So we've spent so many weeks

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in TNH chronicling Whole Cogan's you know, chronic back issues throughout the run of

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TNA, and you know, like
I said, we've only really gotten one

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glimpse of him attempting to do something
resembling an actual match in TNA. What

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were you what were your expectations?
Do you expect this this first time you've

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ever seen this match? I take
it against absolutely absolutely. You expected to

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be sort of like a cringe fest. And was it better than expected or

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was it worse than expected? Given
all that we have seen and discussed regarding

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his back? I was really I
was expecting the absolute shit worst, and

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it was fine, you know,
all things considered. Yeah, it wasn't

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when weren't talking, you know,
it's not it's not Hogan Stan Hansen,

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Okay for sure, but it's um, it's it's totally passable. And and

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again, you know, you know
who gets credit for that, Sting.

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Yes, let's talk about how it
stings. I mean, he's still pouncing

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around the ring like like he's put
on earth to carry food. Dude.

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I seriously, I never would have
thought that we'd get to the day when

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Sting is carrying people two matches,
like carrying matches on his back and he's

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doing an incredible job. He's not
you know, he's he's not overselling.

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He's not pulling a Shawn Michaels and
and fucking bouncing all over the place till

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it's a fucking goof fest. But
he's doing such a great job at making

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everything work and really doing the the
thing that you don't really recognize unless you're

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really looking for it, which these
days I totally am is how is the

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is really the? Um? What
the hell? What do the magicians do?

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You know? When you go see
a magic show, they do a

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trick. It's not a trick,
trick, but they basically they're they're having

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you look someplace else. And I
can't think of the exact term. Yeah,

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yeah, distracting. Yeah, it's
direction, misdirection, thank you,

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Yeah, misdirection because you're focused on
Sting most of the time, and so

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you don't really see unless you're looking
at Hogan. How fucking It's like with

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Flair and that Flair match with Sting, It's like Flair is hardly moving,

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he's hardly pushing and hardly using any
strength. It's all Sting and the same

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thing here. Hogan's got a little
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But um, it's it's totally it's
totally passable for for two guys, you

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know, you know, uh two
AARP wrestlers. Oh totally, Yet Sting

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I don't think at that point.
But yeah, the sting, Sting,

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I'll tell you stings, a fucking
sting. Maybe the hero of the Tnah

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journey. Oh yeah, I think
I think we're really arriving at that.

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It's he is. I don't under
I still don't understand what it is that

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that that Tenah did, that Tena
rather did to bring out such great work

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out of him that couldn't move forward
when he went to other places, you

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know, like when he went back
to wand I know now in AW,

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I guess he's fine, but I
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But like when he did his w
W W E stuff was deplorable.

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Well it's because they don't let him
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as in ring stuff was deplorable.
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it being that bad. I thought
it was pretty bad. Yeah, I'm

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pretty sure I thought it was pretty
bad. And here he's just like,

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he's a magician. He's a fucking
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And I never would have thought that
about about Sting. And that's what a

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hero of a journey is. It's
somebody that you don't expect to be the

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person that most consistently delights you exactly
all the cast of characters you consider on

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the front end of it, you
get excited about, right, And I've

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never been this excited about Sting before
ever. That's like the tragedy of Sting's

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career. It's like he's just,
for whatever reason, when he's put it

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all together, the universe has conspired
to make those moments lower profile than the

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have been. You know, w
drawn six hundred people, they're taping at

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center stage. He's having these incredible
matches with Vader, but no one gives

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a fuck of Forrest is falling in
the tree apart, a tree is falling.

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Trees forest could be falling too.
That's true, especially with Vader on

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the on the command. You know, you see here TNA, But you

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know, eight hundred people at a
sound stage at Universal hardly any growth and

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to of their you know, television
viewing audience, playing to the same people

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that saw him. But man,
they're they're making you believe with those with

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that audio that it's more than eight
hundred people. Oh they're not. They're

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doing quite the opposite. I've never
heard a worst job of crowdsweetening than TNA

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in this era, it's so pathetic. I mean, it's it's really like,

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sit me down with a person who
thought this was a good idea.

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I sat there and I was like, you know, because because when when

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you don't again, when you don't
look at the details, you kind of

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it kind of just goes over your
head in a way. But I'm sitting

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there, and especially because we have
seen them in other buildings besides the zone

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of impact, you're all of a
sudden, I'm like, wait a minute,

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We're in Florida and there is a
loud crowd making noise, and then

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I sort of looking in the background
and nobody was moving. And even when

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they do move, it doesn't match
the fake audio. It does not,

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of course, not no one.
No one's that excited about TNA, So

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I don't know even why they're good. This could be better than the alternative,

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you know. Yeah, I mean, we've heard unsweetened impact his own

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crowd noise, and it's not great. But it's interesting. When it's crowd

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noise, you just check out because
you can't believe what you're seeing. You

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can't trust your ear in terms of
like, yeah, you know, part

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of the fun of watching wrestling is
to see these guys and women figure out

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how to get a rise out of
a crowd. And when you can't trust

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the course you're hearing, it takes
a lot of the fun out of watching

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pro wrestling, I feel like.
And one thing too, It's like,

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if you were guys were in a
bigger arena, I would be more to

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accept it because maybe there are people
way up in the rafters who we can't

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see that are cheering loudly. Yeah. Well, but when we see that,

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when when we see the back wall
of the building and we hear a

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raucous cheer that sounds like it's coming
from a cavernous arena, that like,

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right, like voices are traveling across
break we come on, we I know

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the sound of studio wrestling. Okay, it's a very very clean, like

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intimate sound. So don't don't don't, all right, duck fellas well.

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By the time it's all said and
done, Hulk Cogan is back in the

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Red and Yellow and has broken it
off with Bischoff and the whole heel,

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the ill advised heel who has it
started at the last bound for glory,

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And in a lot of ways we
end up here at bound for Glory twenty

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eleven, where the whole you know, Hogan, Dixie Carter, Eric Bischoff,

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Jeff Jarrett, although Jarrett becomes obviously
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this culminates, uh angle, you
know, where control of the company is

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on the line, and man if
we beat that drum, yes and beat

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that dead horse over the weeks here
on TNH but this really is the end

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of that whole struggle that they don't
really ever quite go back to. Like,

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you know, Dixie Carter's ownership of
TNA Wrestling is on the line,

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thankfully, and it's calling and they're
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They God, they overdo it on
the on the first impact after Bound

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for Glory. In terms of time
talking about it's like I'm listening, listen,

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all right, I don't remember how
it all ended, but I know

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between between the opening segment okay,
which lasted like a half hour and the

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the the the the third segment that
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in to the file, two matches
happened. Oh dude, yeah, two

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like ten minute matches happened. Besides
that, it's all fucking talking. But

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wait a minute I thought wrestling matters. Oh that's the thing. It's like

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they start wrestling matters tagline at the
exact opposite time that that's what they're doing.

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It's whatever they can fucking do.
They'll say anything to just get you

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know, that WCW crowd that fucking
left. Yeah, you know, and

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never watch wrestling again. And I
probably already said this, but what's ironic

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is wrestling doesn't matter. No,
that's kind of the fun of it,

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right, Um, once it starts
mattering, then it becomes a fucking chore

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and you end up having blood feuds
on Twitter and wanting to like roll up

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on somebody. So here we are, Kenna. It was just for you.

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Terry. Ogan's getting back in the
ring and the hair is long.

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The hair's longer than it should be
in the back. It's so inappropriate.

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I mean, dude, just like, especially you're gonna whip off the bandana'd

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like, just you don't have to
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does not compensate for the baldness on
top. No, it does not.

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I mean, hull Hogan's growing hair
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to construct a trump like comb over
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he's not doing it. Rings the
hair, He's keeping the bald you know,

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so not doing that. Uh the
fancy, the fancy shit you do

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when you're trying to do the comb
over. Hide the bald yet in the

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yang? Yes, and no roller
you know, dude, whore talking about

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you and the yang dude? No, no, hide the ball, brother,

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No hide the bald dude. All
right, brother, the bald dude

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is out in front. Brother.
You know you know we no no,

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no thugging and bugging bro. Bro. By that time we're done this week,

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Hogan will be riding with those ape
hangers off into the horizon on the

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piece of Oh my god, I'm
sure of it. No widening gliding dudes.

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So I lot to dig into.
But uh, you know, if

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we're gonna talk about Hogan, we
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with. I reckon and boss brother, what and what's more on brand than

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our friends at Titan Nutrition who believe
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these weeks, and uh, we're
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Terry, I know, I know
you're a certainly supporter of Titan Nutrition.

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Well, brother. I would just
want to say, dude, yes,

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I have done Titan nutrition, brother, but i am not addicted to Titan

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nutrition and I'm not currently on Titan
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Brother. Well, the same camp
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say, you know what these guys
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What's the brand? Are brand?
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it's going so well. Brand Central
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call the ad part of our podcast, Brand Central Station. You fucking piece

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of shit, bitch. Let's fucking
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we're creating this podcast, and let's
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America. Without inventory, there is
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fill said inventory thanks to our friends. Just like uh in um, just

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like fucking ned beat, he says, in uh uh um in h in

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network, there are no nations,
there are no peoples. There is only

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the holistic money of Moneies or whatever
the fuck it is. Oh great,

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great finish their boss. Yeah,
holistic money Moneies or whatever it is.

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Oh I remember there is no nations, there are no people's right, that's

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a great is a great speech.
I used his monolon ones. Does it

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qualify for under the cinemat? We're
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are you really? Yeah? Absolutely, Although you know, Tom Atanasio

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told me he's like, you know, because I because of the network gimmicks.

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Last PNH, all we did was
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and we look forward to sharing the
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We're gonna I guess, I don't
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okay, oh yeah, like fucking
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makes a lot of sense. I
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hundred times, when you break it
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right, and the damn fucking straight
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we about crotch. It's about it, It's about it's it's it's about insertion,

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dynamic fiction, dynamic friction for that
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do that, to put it quite
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look in the way you want so
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not a fucking joke, going on
ten years of lapstone, Oh yeah,

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and your fucking ears and other orifices. So, uh, if Hogan's

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going to return to the ring,
he's got to go on Howard Stern.

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Right, Oh, you're damn right, he asked to I mean, the

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hookster was not shy about stopping by. He was never shy about going in

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there and subjecting himself to Howard's you
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So did you you know the deal? And uh yeah, Hogan's, um,

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really, exactly did you get it? Did you get it? Where

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did you get you get it?
Wow? You did? And then you

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entered her? Oh my god,
oh my god. Amazing On the marine

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under the Cinemat that's available now on
Patreon. Yes, you played clips of

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John Cena doing one of those sort
of tawdry interviews with Howard Stern and holy

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shit, oh yeah, is it
hilarious the way Stern describes Seena going in

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on a larger law it's I can
see it totally rolling with it and rolling

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with a you know a little hefty
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that was his previous fried to do
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As we're starting our marine journey over
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lapsed fan and know a lot of
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of the teenage journey. So yes, we don't hesitate to remind that EP,

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moat and EP you want the goods, that's where you want to be.

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Yeah, we just did the marine
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Dba Junior amazing time in considering his
position of the headlines these days. Oh

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what a fucking what a romp?
What a romp for that motherfucker. Truly

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truly, Jesus, it's a whole
other level at Patreon. It's it's you've

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got a really mean business to join
us over there, especially the moat tier

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you mentioned. I mean, God, I mean you have to be such

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a fucking king or queen to mean
that much to us. But if you've

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got the uh the risk appetite in
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all the way up at the tip
top tier. But that's reserved for very

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special folks and very special considerations from
your coach chairs. That's for people who

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want to know what it was like, what it's like to watch wrestling with

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my mom exactly wrestling Maria every Monday. For the MOTE tier members only recall

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what it was like to sit in
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the room making comments about how foolish
this all is. Mama Sorrow is a

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is a voice from that distant past. It's not so distant, not not

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for remote members, Nope, Nope, it's it's like it's every Monday,

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just like it used to be every
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Just they just uh, let me
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by the time this, uh,
this one drops, they would have listened

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to so random. It's so fucking
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The Great American Bash two thousand and
seven, What the fuck? And if

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you're wondering, No, we don't
hesitate to allow MOTE members to suggest what

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matches Mama Sara watch absolutely, I
love it. Please DMUs any which way

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you can? Oh yeah, within
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within Patreon, if you're a mote
member, let us know what you want

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to see, because we'll get there
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all. Yeah. I did that
one because she's a fan of Bobby Lashley

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from seeing him on like Good Morning
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that? So random? It's like, oh, how are you gonna be

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able to watch a Bobby lash And
I was like, well, she loves

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John Cena too because he's from fucking
West Newbury. Yeah, well I get

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that one. Yeah, hometown ties
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great value for your money. Of
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of Friday Baby, that's right.
So Under the Cinemats available exclusively on Patreon

404
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to the the eptier and above.
We also, of course have our monthly

405
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w W pay per view live calls. We watch modern WWE so you don't

406
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have to coming up. Of course, backlash from Puerto Rico, your co

407
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chairs, sit down and grin and
Barrett baby, and give voice to what

408
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:32.440
it means to be lapsed and to
watch this through lapsed colored glasses. Are

409
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.000
we going to see that youngster,
Carlos Cologne? You know it surprised me

410
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.039
if you wouldn't be in the building. I'm not sure he'll be on the

411
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:45.839
show. I love that youngster.
So many reasons to join us on Patreon

412
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.799
and shout outs coming your way for
those who have taken the plane. So

413
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:53.279
pardon that divergence. We need to
get to the Hulkster here as he sits

414
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.720
with Howard Stern just days before his
return to the ring against staying at Bound

415
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.559
for Glory twenty eleven. Of course
the show in Fili, Yes, they

416
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.480
taken on the road one more time. Um here in twenty eleven. Let's

417
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.599
hear all the Hulkster has to say. And boss, do you think the

418
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.599
first question out of Robin's mouth is
concerning the fact that it might not all

419
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:18.000
be real? I would imagine,
listen, I would be disappointed if she

420
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.440
didn't go there right for all these
years? Do you think that that's a

421
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.519
worthwhile question. I think. I
think in terms of the realm of the

422
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.680
Howard Stern Show, I believe she
is the last editor of the Howard Stern

423
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:34.359
Show. Fucking go Hogan Stern Hulk. Yes, sir, you had spinal

424
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.440
fusion for nine hours. Yeah that's
no joke. Yeah, no, twelve

425
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:44.559
hours, twelve hours. Recently,
um goes back surgery number eighth. Brother,

426
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:52.799
You know, wrestling fake injuries are
real injuries. It's a performance real

427
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.039
I've come to understand that wrestling is
a performance. Yes, that is,

428
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:03.440
brother, demanding the body. Okay, it's cruel to the body like footballer

429
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:08.599
is because you get slammed, chairs
pounded over your back. So so,

430
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.920
just because the ending is predetermined,
and when Howard and I wrestle, everybody

431
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.359
knows that Howard's gonna beat me.
Where so great that just because we know

432
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.160
who's gonna win, that doesn't mean
what happens during the match is fake.

433
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:22.920
Because I've never had a match.
I didn't get hurt. Wow, I'll

434
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.920
show you one picture. You got
an iPhone and look how big your hands

435
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.400
are. How do you type on
that thing? I don't think you can.

436
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.440
Can you actually type a text?
So I can send you with thumbs

437
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.079
on. This was seven Now I'm
not giving you the phone because you'll take

438
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.960
it from me. Let me say
this was seven months ago. Oh my

439
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.279
god. See that thing in the
corner. Yeah, that's a battery in

440
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.759
your back. Yeah, and I
gotta get that taken out. The wires

441
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.359
go from the battery up the middle
of my back to the field place today.

442
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.440
So let me ask you, then, why would you Did you run

443
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.720
out of money? I gotta figure
out, like you made us divorce.

444
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.680
I had the divorce, I had
the civil case where they sued me for

445
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.599
sixty million bucks. Why are you
let's go into that. Why are you

446
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:14.640
wrestling again with Impact Wrestling? Brother? This has nothing to do with Vince

447
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.079
McMahon. No, no, no, he's got another company that's been around

448
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.440
for seven or eighty years. Has
you ever called you and said, why

449
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.920
are you competing against me? What
are you doing to me? Because he

450
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.720
strikes me as a guy who wants
to own the world. In other words,

451
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.720
then calls in the past where you
know there's been differences of opinion.

452
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.240
What's the difference of opinion? Your
opinion is you should have more money and

453
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.799
you should have less. Well,
that's the only thing we ever argued about

454
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.599
was about money. Yeah. But
I mean a lot of people, including

455
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:47.000
people that work with Vince, think
I should have stayed there. My whole

456
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.119
life started there and worked for Vince's
dad in the late seventies, and I

457
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.480
should have ended my career there,
But I kind of like did some other

458
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.680
stuff, work for Ted Turner and
Eric Bischoff and I'm working for Dixie Carter

459
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:02.319
over there is your opinion of your
own career. You are You are the

460
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:06.599
biggest of all time. In other
words, you were the most famous.

461
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.079
You were the only wrestler ever appeared
on the cover of Sports illig Yes,

462
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:14.119
sir, so you were the biggest
wrestler of all times, Deny Hodge,

463
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.240
and you're probably appoint to Vince's You
know what, I'm not complaining. I

464
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.839
made a lot of money with you
and all of this, but you probably

465
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.240
don't treat me now with the respect
I need, you know, the honest

466
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:29.799
truth to cut through all the crap. Late eighties or early nineties, when

467
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:35.519
all of a sudden the government focused
on wrestling with the steroids, um,

468
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.680
that was something that kind of like
pulled the whole business apart, right and

469
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.440
it was time for me to move
and do something else. I went and

470
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.920
part enough with the Baywatch guys and
did Thunder and Paradise for a couple of

471
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.240
years, and Ted Turner's group happened
to be on the sound stage next to

472
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:51.279
me in Orlando, so I kind
of like started talking with them. Never

473
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.640
was going to get back into wrestling
again, but you know, they may

474
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.079
be an offer I couldn't refuse.
So I worked for Ted and Eric Bischoff

475
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.200
for seven or eight years, but
at the end of the day, it

476
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.079
just natch, really, you know, the way the government came after the

477
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.640
wrestling business, kind of like how
they're coming after football and baseball and everything

478
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.160
else. It just wasn't a comfortable
environment for anybody. So I kind of

479
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.960
just s went my own leg.
You estimated that you've gone through hundreds of

480
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.680
millions of dollars of you and I
made a lot of money in the business.

481
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.960
You made a ton of money in
your business. Are you upset with

482
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.799
yourself that you didn't understand the value
of that money and that you didn't understand

483
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.599
how to handle the money because you
were spending out of control? Right?

484
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.200
I mean, it takes two to
tango. You know, my wife and

485
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:38.200
I were before Ted Turner was going
to retire from wrestling, right, and

486
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.960
you know, we were all set
with a beautiful home, and then there

487
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:47.160
were some decisions made to build an
yeah whatever. Yeah, and so you

488
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.319
know it's like I was one of
these guys that always didn't want to spend

489
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.119
what I say, So I said, let me go back to work to

490
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.160
pay for this, that and the
other. And it just steamrolled and instead

491
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.720
of retiring at thirty to thirty nine
years old, I wrestled into my fifties.

492
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.480
A guy getting into wrestling, Now, would your first advice be,

493
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:07.440
you know what, take a business
class, learn how to understand money and

494
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.440
understand finances. Right, well,
I was set until you know, the

495
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.400
divorce happened, until the civil case
happened. Well, all right, so

496
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.000
let's get back to this. You're
doing an event. I'm not going to

497
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.719
wrestle for eight back surgeries. Brother, I made that cleared everyone done wrestling?

498
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.880
Yeah, I mean, you know, the back surgeries. I'm not

499
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.119
gonna put on this performance where it's
a wrestling match. But I said,

500
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.320
if it's push toms of the show, I'll take the fifth up and fight

501
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.599
you, right, you know,
so that's what it is. After the

502
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.079
main event or before the main event
of the world title, Paul Cogan's going

503
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.119
to fight Sting for control of the
company. Brother, I say, I

504
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.480
got it all right. Where's the
outcome now? Yeah? Oh you're so

505
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.639
bad? Uh? Brother? What
I have control over the outcomes of my

506
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.400
matches? I don't know. If
you've read my contract, brother, and

507
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.119
you should know, Robin, that
outcome includes whatever promos maybe cut subsequent to

508
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.039
my match, even after I've left
the building that had that whatever, whatever

509
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.960
the outcome is, dude, I
make an income, brother, Robin,

510
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.280
are you what are you? Wait
a minute, Robin? Why did you

511
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:13.679
when you said whoa dude? Wait? Brother? Why are you behind that

512
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.639
class? Yeah? Why are you
got a room here? We're out here

513
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.079
in the open, rob I understand
you hear that perch. What's going on,

514
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.519
Robin? What's going on? Dude? What's in there? Why?

515
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.679
What you got in the in the
booth? What do you got You're gonna

516
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:27.280
roll me up inside? Dude?
What the fuck? Brother? What did

517
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:32.760
you just say? Robin? He's
just going stream of consciousness instead of where

518
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.760
are you going? Where are you
going? What? Terry just t this

519
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.840
is my stern Terry, just just
relax. It's gonna be fine saying anything.

520
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.559
Why are you? First of all, dude, why are you too

521
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.519
men to relax? Brother? You
know you're in you're in my studio.

522
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.480
Yeah, he's dude. You want
me to feel what? Brother'll relax?

523
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.159
Feel feel like you have to worry
a parent? Dude? Why would you?

524
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.480
I mean, you're acting like you
know some of them. The government's

525
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.239
about to roll up here, and
you know, try to whoa whoa whoa

526
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.639
whoa. Brother. Let's first,
let's let's kind of dial it in,

527
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.840
dude, Right, let's dial the
shit in. Brother. All right,

528
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.760
let's stop playing games. Brother,
Let's stop playing Hide the Hide the Ball.

529
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.079
I'm so glad that's in the repertoire. Now. My new teenage was

530
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:25.920
worth it because I got it.
Why you're talking? Government rolled up?

531
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:31.159
Brother? What's going on? Dude? Yeah, it's um it's what they

532
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.199
what they feed the kids in public
school. Brother. I want to know,

533
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.119
Wait a minute, why do you
I mean, I'm here and she's

534
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.719
asking me questions about dude. You
understand, brother, I don't know what's

535
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:52.000
going on. You don't understand that
I don't know what's going on, like,

536
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.880
if you know enough to know that
you don't know what's going on?

537
00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:01.519
You know what's going on? What? What do you now this this studio?

538
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.119
Brother? I was Are there any
two way mirrors in here? Dude?

539
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.239
Brother? Where are the two way
mirrors? Dude? Right? Let

540
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.119
me let me let me phrase it
that way. Brother. I know they're

541
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.400
here, brother, I want to
know where they are. Why are you

542
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.840
asking me if it's real, Robin? Why why do you keep harping on?

543
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.239
Can I are you recording me?
Brother? Hey? Well, it

544
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:27.000
is a radio show, Terry.
What hold on? That was way too

545
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.960
good? Are you recording me?
Brother? Well, it is a radio

546
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:37.920
show, Terry? What? What? Like? What do people tell him?

547
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.559
This was a fucking padded room that
no one could bust. I was

548
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.559
told I was having a Sittown conversation
with Howard Stern. Dude. I don't

549
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:52.719
know what the fuck is going on? Where are you, dude? Where

550
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:58.519
you at? Brother? It's from
in front of them, Where are you,

551
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.519
dude? Because I don't know where
dude. I'm like looking around,

552
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.559
brother, I'm like, you know, where's Howard Stern? Dude? Where's

553
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.559
Robin? Brother? I'm trying to
figure out what the fuck is going on,

554
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.639
and all of a sudden, I
got ship just fucking land in front

555
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.760
of me, brother, and I'm
like, well, where you know,

556
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.880
where is it? Dude? I
guess getting back on track isn't so easy,

557
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.840
isn't what? He's got so much
to say there? Um Well,

558
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:31.480
you know, first of all,
he he talks very artfully around how much

559
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.239
money he made and how much money
he lost? God does he not?

560
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.639
You know, It's like Stern asks
him a pretty straightforward question about the state

561
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.920
of his finances and he's like,
oh, I made a lot of money

562
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.159
in wrestling. It's like, it's
not what I say. He spent a

563
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.800
lot all about my wife and it's
history. Tango dude takes two to tango

564
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.000
brother. And of course there's oh
god, the Graziano settlement, as we've

565
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.079
talked about. But one thing it's
very interesting around October twenty eleven, when

566
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.039
Bound for Glory takes place, is
this article hits the same Pete Times down

567
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:06.000
in Florida, part me the Tampa
Times whenever it's called down in um down

568
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.519
in Florida. And I don't know, just you know, we've spent so

569
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:13.239
much time kind of just brushing by
the fact that you know, or just

570
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.400
taking for granted the idea that hul
Cogan really got hosed in the settlement with

571
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.960
the family of the young man you
know that was paralyzed and rendered basically a

572
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:28.119
vegetable in the car accident while his
son Nick was driving. And we know

573
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.599
there was a settlement. We know
there was a cash settlement. We've talked

574
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.400
about it at length at TNH.
It was a big part of the precursor

575
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.320
of Hogan arriving. I mean,
he's doing interviews the day he does the

576
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.480
TENA press conference and he's on Larry
King, and all they're asking him about

577
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:44.920
is this. So it's been woven
into the fabric of TNH from the beginning,

578
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.559
and it's it's always sort of interesting
that all you ever hear in terms

579
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.039
of a number is I got sued
four sixty million dollars. And you remember

580
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:57.360
when we were reading the laser spine
deposition, how much his attorney freaked out,

581
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.679
and he freaked out when the the
attorney was kind of trying to edge

582
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.719
towards getting Hogan to name the settlement
numbers, like should I say this?

583
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.239
He had no hesitation on any other
question. He was ready with his Carny

584
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:13.000
answers in a fucking seven. But
there's something they don't want to say about

585
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.639
this settlement number. And I wonder
if it might be because it would puncture

586
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:22.679
the narrative that this settlement put hulkoke
and flat on his back and justified all

587
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:28.280
of these cash grabs. I'd like
you to read this article really for no

588
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.159
other reason that it came out.
You know, the same exact time is

589
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.440
found for Glory, right, And
I think shed some light on why Hogan

590
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.239
chooses to phrase it as I was
sued for sixty million dollars, not that

591
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:44.360
I lost sixty million dollars. Oh. Debrah Graciano's sole job is to take

592
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.199
care for her son, John,
who suffered severe brain damage when he was

593
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.039
injured in a car wrecked wrecked by
Nick Balaya in two thousand and seven.

594
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:58.920
She feeds the former marine marine brother, bathes him, dresses him, takes

595
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.800
him to doctor's appointment. For that
work, she makes just one thousand,

596
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.000
seven hundred and fifty dollars a month. Her only income paid from a settlement

597
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:12.360
reached between attorneys for John Graziano and
Terry Balaya, the wealthy professional wrestler and

598
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:17.119
entertainer, known as Hulk Hogan,
and well, you know, one would

599
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.719
have expected there would be sufficient there
would have been a sufficient fund to provide

600
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:28.960
a caregiver or caregivers for John Graziano, says Edward Graziano's attorney, John Trevina.

601
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.679
Now missus Graziano is going to be
devoting the remainder of her life to

602
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.880
the care of her son without any
outside of hell. It's extremely sad,

603
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:43.079
it's tragic. Information about the financial
settlement was revealed Friday in a newly filed

604
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:49.000
court document, a deposition of Debra
Graziano taking taken for her ongoing divorce case

605
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:55.159
from her husband, Edward Graziano brother, would Hogan I need to give I

606
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.719
give credit to Evan for this one
from a dark side of the ring.

607
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:07.079
Hogan must depose as opposed to Hogan
must pose. That's right. In the

608
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.159
deposition, Deborah Graziano said she believes
about one point five million dollars in the

609
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:17.320
settlement remains after payments to attorneys and
the veterans hospital that cared for John after

610
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.000
the accident. Travina is not privy
to the amount of the confidential settlement,

611
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.199
but based on the remaining funds,
he estimated Friday that it could not have

612
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:32.159
topped five million dollars. You very
much, Travina said. Experts he talked

613
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.639
to had valued a potential settlement at
between twenty five and six and twenty five

614
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.039
and fifty million dollars. One of
those experts have been Terry Hogan Blea himself.

615
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.159
I got suited for sixty million,
dude. Brother. They came to

616
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.920
me, brother, they said,
I'm taking sixty million dollars from your brother.

617
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.840
What am I supposed to say?
Brother never actually came out of my

618
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.280
bank account or not his immaterial brother. They said that's what they what they

619
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.000
were going for, dude. They
were coming for me, brother. So

620
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.920
in a lot of ways they inflicted
the emotional damage of taking sixty million dollars

621
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.360
for me, brother, without actually
I kind have done it. I could.

622
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.039
I could feel like I got sued
right for sixty million dollars. Brother.

623
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.519
The question isn't did Hull Coogan lose
sixty million dollars in the Grunziano settlement.

624
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.840
The question is did Hull code did
I feel like he lost sixty How

625
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:22.480
did I feel? Dude? That's
the question, brother, Who's feeling?

626
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:28.519
Who? Right? All right?
How am I feeling, brother, What

627
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:35.679
am I feeling? Dude? Where
am I? Brother? What? Zoom

628
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.880
out like six times and he's he's
standing on like the edge of a of

629
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:44.079
a of a needle, and it's
like he turns. It turns out he's

630
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.800
as big as like a little gnat
and there's this like vast universe. The

631
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:55.840
more you zoom out that he's like
a little speck in what the end like

632
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:01.800
animated like that MTV show A on
flux used to be and then and then

633
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:09.800
and then there's a deep old what
are you going for? Where are you

634
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:20.159
wolcovin ye of my needle? Can
you give me a favorite? Boss?

635
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:29.920
Could you just say Sammy Gabara on
that Sammy okay? Good Sammy guaver and

636
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:42.440
cheese and panado? So how would
um this attorney describe the settlement in terms

637
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.920
of its amounting? It's appallingly low. I was stunned. You know.

638
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.360
It's a tempt at the value I
had anticipated. Appallingly low. That's right,

639
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:59.599
brother, woo, what was that? That's a flight of fancy that

640
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:07.760
from mister Nanny and who I think
we've come to a realization. It's taken

641
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.159
a while. We've been on this
journey for months now. Yes, I

642
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:17.079
kind of think TNH is about maybe
ten to twelve sounds. In fact,

643
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.920
I think every journey we've ever done
here at the Lapsed Fan is about ten

644
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.360
to twelve. It always, it
always breaks down to sound. Can I

645
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.239
ask you a favor? And can
you just maybe do you know seven or

646
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.800
eight of them with a with a
beat of silence between. What do you

647
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:37.679
consider the essence of TNH in terms
of sound? That was one? If

648
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:42.079
you heard you? I heard You're
fucking getting me still ringing in my ears?

649
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:53.480
From the transcript, reading from the
deposition reading pooh good one you you

650
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.320
cackling like a school girl? Doesn't
count. One does not count. It

651
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:02.639
does not count. Yeah, that's
too similar to the first one. All

652
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:06.599
right, well, hey they are
very different. There's yeah, nuances to

653
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:24.920
it, there are nuances. Let's
train the AI absolutely or can I submit

654
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:32.639
one? Yes? Hangking, hanging
king king, because if I have to

655
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.159
go around one more fucking minute in
my life with a Dixie Carter ten a

656
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:46.199
theme song in my mind. And
what's key. What's key is you don't

657
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:51.880
just picture a tron video exclusively of
her walking around, because that's the extent

658
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.280
of the footage they have of her, but it's it's not just her walking

659
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.920
around, it's her walking gingerly down
the stage while she has high heels on.

660
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:00.760
Do you know what I mean?
I know exactly, like very careful

661
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.880
step because you're not supposed to walk
on a surface like that with those kind

662
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.800
of shoes on one on one on
one, one, one on one,

663
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.519
one one on one on one on
one on them. And also that,

664
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.639
Yeah, that's true. Backup d
ye, Yes, it's very true.

665
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:28.239
What about the sound whoa sounds like
a dying pig? Like a man mort

666
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.400
cup oh waited? Wasn't there a
two thousand and eight financial aff of David

667
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.239
according to this article or up stated
is net worth that's a starting in a

668
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.000
In a two thousand and eight financial
aff of David, Terry bala I said

669
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:43.599
his net worth was thirty two point
four million dollars. It's just like kind

670
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.239
of not along when Starn started talking
about how he made hundreds of millions of

671
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.880
dollars, I made it, just
like no no holds barred. Why I

672
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:53.320
made it, dude? You know
I made money, brother, I made

673
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:59.119
money. Dude, I don't have
money. There's a distinction, brother,

674
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:07.679
what Who. In two thousand and
seven, Terry and Linda Balaya, who

675
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.679
are now divorced, sold on Miami
Beach house for seventeen million dollars. Property

676
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:17.400
records show Balatas seventeen thousand square foot
bel air mansion is currently on the market

677
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.079
for eight point eight million dollars.
It was originally listed at twenty five million

678
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:29.119
dollars. Trevina's estimated Friday that Terry
Bala had at least twenty million dollars in

679
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.880
assets that could have been liquidated for
the settlement to provide for John Graziano's future

680
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:38.119
care. Debra Graziano and Ballet's attorney
could not be reached for comment Friday,

681
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.440
but attorney George Tragos, one of
the attorneys who represented John Graziano's interests in

682
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:50.719
the civil suits, said Debra Graziano
was satisfied with the settlement. Well,

683
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.559
you gotta be realistic, it's going
to be collectable. You know, We've

684
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:59.639
collected every dime of the subtlement,
Tragos said. It's also important to note

685
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:04.760
that a nearly eight million dollar bill
to the Veterans Administration was negotiated down to

686
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.320
a lower amount and paid from the
settlement. Now the Va will continue to

687
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.480
treat John for the rest of his
life at no cost to him. Trago

688
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.639
said John Graziano suffered devastating head injuries
and then two thousand and seven accident.

689
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.559
The driver of the speeding car was
Nick Balaia, the youngest child of Terry

690
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.639
Balaya. Debor Graziano has been caring
for her son since he was released from

691
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.679
the hospital in September two thousand and
nine. In the deposition, she said

692
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.000
she's left with about thirty five dollars
a week for herself after paying for health

693
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:36.039
and car insurance, her cell phone, groceries, living essentials, and her

694
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.239
monthly tithe at her church thirty five
dollars a week thirty five dollars a week.

695
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.599
Jesus ed and Debora Graziano, who
were married in Virginia in nineteen ninety

696
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:50.920
three, have two sons and a
daughter who are who are all in their

697
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:55.280
twenties. Evidence of marital discord began
appearing in court records in two thousand and

698
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:00.760
four, when Debora Graziano filed for
the first of several restraining orders against her

699
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.079
husband. She alleged he hit her, stalked her, tried to sick the

700
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.719
family dog on her and threatened to
kill her multiple times. In February two

701
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:14.199
thousand and nine, authorities arrested Edward
Graziano after they said he offered twenty one

702
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:19.360
hundred dollars and a pizza shop gift
card to an undercover deputy to kill Deborah.

703
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.760
In May, he was sentenced to
ten years in prison after he pleaded

704
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.199
no contest to a charge of solicitation
to commit murder. The conviction is being

705
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.280
appealed, Travina said. A final
divorce hearing is scheduled for November seventh.

706
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.519
Debora fifty eight said she and John, who was now twenty six, and

707
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:38.159
her other son Michael, now live
in a Dunedin house purchase for about three

708
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:43.239
hundred and forty five thousand dollars from
settlement funds. She has no income other

709
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.679
than the money she receives to care
for John. She limits herself to the

710
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:51.880
seventeen fifty a month one seven hundred
and fifty dollars a month. The settlement

711
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.239
account earns an interest, so she
will not have to touch the principle,

712
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:59.719
she said. In the deposition.
Debra Graziano said she pays for John's clothes

713
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:04.599
and haircuts without reimbursement from the fund. She has no retirement fund or other

714
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:08.079
savings. She said. Her car, a two thousand dollars oldmobile two thousand,

715
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.400
two thousand to two thousand dollars,
a two thousand oldmobile John bought for

716
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.719
her from his Iraq combat pay,
is probably worth a couple of thousand dollars,

717
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.400
she said to me. It's worth
more than Amy Ferrari on the street.

718
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.119
She said, my god, my
god. Well, that's kind of

719
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.440
the state of affairs that I think
that's the closest we're going to get to

720
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.519
definitive data on what it actually costs
the hoaxter um, what happens? Seriously,

721
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.360
Jesus Christ. But you know that's
it, Like that is what we

722
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:43.639
just heard with Stern. I think
is so indicative of where Hulkoken ended up

723
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.239
totally. I mean, the guys
there is the greatest wrestling legend of all

724
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.719
time, and eighty percent of the
questions are about, like you you're kind

725
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.519
of hit up for money? Huh
are you coming back because you need money?

726
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.280
What do you what? I mean
you can't come? I mean,

727
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.199
what are you saying? What I
walk with you? I got I'm good,

728
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.039
brother, I'm better than ever dude, better than ever. What do

729
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.239
you what? I'll be the judge
of that. It's Bound for Glory twenty

730
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.679
eleven. What do you do?
Philadelphia? Who are you? Brother?

731
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:13.360
The first thing we see on the
pay per view is who are you?

732
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.119
The first? The first fucking thing
we see. I mean, I don't

733
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:22.559
know about to see on a pay
per view. I don't really care what

734
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.159
we see per se. But the
first thing we hear is, this is

735
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.559
this fucking thing from from from Mike
Tonay, ladies and gentlemen, Tonight's Bound

736
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:37.119
for Glory event. It emanates from
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a city that exemplifies

737
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.880
the blue coloraditude and the unparalleled work
I think, as well as American pride.

738
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.320
We welcome you to the birthplace of
America, and we welcome you a

739
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:47.679
Bound for Glory. So glad they
do, you know, scene setting and

740
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:53.159
wrestling. I don't know what what
do with that? I mean, Sez,

741
00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:00.679
I appreciate the sentiment. But is
TNA suddenly the the organization that appeals

742
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.239
to the blue collar worker apparently?
I mean, who fucking cares about?

743
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:13.719
I mean, I mean, is
it? I guess Philadelphia is just this

744
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.480
blue collar town, blue collar and
elbow. Yeah, yeah, what are

745
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.719
the what are the uh? I
mean, I mean it was as blue

746
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.880
collar as Boston is, wouldn't she? I mean, you know, given

747
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:30.119
the uh the real estate prices and
shit like, I don't know. I

748
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.000
don't know if Philadelphia ranks in terms
of that, but I was always the

749
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.639
impression that it was pretty expensive to
live in in Philadelphia. So I don't

750
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.199
know how I feel about this blue
collar state. Yeah, it depends what

751
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:42.280
part of Philly you mean, I
guess, as as it depends what kind

752
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.280
of part of Boston you mean,
right, I mean that's any it's any

753
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:50.800
fucking city Philly families. Uh yeah, yeah yeah, this John, this

754
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.679
John John, And you know,
I think, um, I think it's

755
00:53:55.119 --> 00:54:00.519
it's weird, like exactly who does
he think he's a healing to you by

756
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.159
reading off that copy about blue collar
this and that? I don't care.

757
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.239
I mean it's fine, but yeah
no, I don't care either, But

758
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.679
it just like stood out to me
as this weird out exactly, like what

759
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:14.280
are you what are you saying?
I don't understand what you're what you're selling

760
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.960
here? The press that they're not
in Orlando that they have to like over

761
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.480
guess I guess maybe that's it that
they're just like, look at this,

762
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.800
we're out of We're out of Florida, We're up on the proper. Them

763
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.239
fucking Yankees are right, it's actually
where the Phillies are. But it's fine.

764
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.239
That's a good point. So no, it's it's Hogan from back in

765
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.880
March of twenty ten and the red
and yellow lace in the boots. That

766
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.719
footage they shot for finding Whole Cooke
or whatever went. Oh seriously, so

767
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:44.199
they're you know, they're already trying
to evoke like warm nostalgic feelings about a

768
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.199
Huole Cooke and who came into Bound
for Glory having been a total fucking prick

769
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.400
and asshole lying to people about his
retirement, caught on tape, manipulating their

770
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.280
emotions, and by the time we
get to Bound for Glory, it's like

771
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.880
all anyone cares about his weather.
Hulk's gonna tear his shirt. It's the

772
00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.679
weirdest home. It's so odd.
It's a building full of people that no

773
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:06.679
Hogan's wrestling, but have clearly not
followed the storyline to get here, right,

774
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.840
there's a fair degree of indifference towards
Sting and the Joker character. You

775
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:14.039
kind of sense from the crowd this
this this, you know, essence of

776
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.320
like what is what is Sting doing? Like this? There? Yeah,

777
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:21.800
there, There certainly is a belief
that when Push comes a show, we're

778
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.679
gonna see Hulkogan. That's what we
want. Yes, well, and that's

779
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:29.119
fine. It just it's so at
odds with what they did in I mean,

780
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.320
I didn't necessarily expect that. It's
kind of funny that they're they're kind

781
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.280
of that that they did, because
I'm like, I don't I didn't know

782
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:38.440
if that was going to be the
outcome. Yeah, you know, it's

783
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:44.599
kind of a reminder of like what
TENA actually was. It was a company

784
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.920
where as we've mentioned several times throughout
the course of teenage, you could go

785
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:51.440
to a house show and all the
baby faces and heels were switched up from

786
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.239
television because most of the people there
are going to show up and cheer Jeff

787
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:58.079
Hardy like he's a number one baby
face, no matter what kind of atrocities

788
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.639
he's committing on the Weekly Impact Show. Because you don't go to a TNA

789
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.400
show because you're a fan of their
product. You go to TNA because there's

790
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.960
two or three wrestlers you've heard about. I mean, these guys hated that

791
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.320
the flair, hated it, angle
hated the fact that they would go through

792
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:14.239
airports working for TNA, getting paid
well and working full time, and people

793
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:15.760
coming up to them and ask them
when they left the business, It's like,

794
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.519
what the fuck are you talking about. I'm on television, national television

795
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.679
every week. They tell me a
million and a half people watch this fucking

796
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.119
thing. No, and they go
to uh, you know, they go

797
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.159
to some small town somewhere and they
draw like three hundred people. It's it's

798
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.840
it's it's such a wild duality,
and I think here's something whole Hogan's going

799
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.320
to wrestle. It's like, I
think part of that curbing if I'm wrong,

800
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.079
but I feel like part of that
is because they're only we're doing,

801
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:45.519
for the most part, stuck in
Orlando. Oh sure, yeah. I

802
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.159
mean that's it's a lot easier to
spread awareness of your characters and storylines if

803
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.400
you're in a different city every week, and all those fans that come out

804
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.519
become acquainted with your storytelling, not
just you know, your your pay per

805
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.079
V matches. And it's also a
function of the fact that tena's live events

806
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.119
division was totally effort and distinct from
the crew that put the television together and

807
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.920
worried about the TV in mind of
the TV affairs, I mean, Jeff

808
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.719
Jarrett and Don West basically ran the
arena business like it was a separate company

809
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.280
that t Anda was loaning wrestlers too, you know, and that ain't good.

810
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:14.320
We know that now. I mean, well, it just makes it

811
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.719
a totally separate business. You can't
connect it to you can't. One doesn't

812
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.280
bleed into the other, one doesn't
read and inform the other. It's like

813
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.760
it's it's not a It's hardly the
flywheel that you hear about all the time

814
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:30.360
where everything kind of interoperates and improves
everything else. And so yeah, they'd

815
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:35.039
go to these and they had such
a poor promotional style. I mean you

816
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.320
used to hear so often reading the
event reports back then that they barely even

817
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.880
promoted the show to the weekend of
they were coming to a town near you.

818
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:44.800
They just didn't have like this boots
on the ground marketing, mentality,

819
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.639
marketing muscle, or even like wherewithal
and how to spend ahead of the event

820
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:52.119
to get people to actually know it's
coming. And buy tickets as opposed to

821
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.199
this like last minute scram of like
wait a minute, what what is this?

822
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:58.480
This wrestling like Kurt Angele's coming,
like what the fuck? Just so

823
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.519
bizarre and I feel like that it
comes across on bound for glory. But

824
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.360
the opening package has him lacing them
up in red and yellow and takes us

825
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.480
all the way back to him being
introduced in October twenty on nine at Madison

826
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.440
Square Garden with Dixie Carter in New
York sting saying, you have been con

827
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:16.800
con conned. So everybody is fucking
watching the show. Absolutely, we've all

828
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:21.360
been conned. Hull Hogan, you
know, announcing that they won in court

829
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:25.119
from March of twenty eleven and Dixie
crying, and then they show Bobby Rude,

830
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.480
who's going for the world title for
the first time in his career against

831
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:30.599
Kurt Angle on this show, which
I can't wait to get your thoughts on,

832
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:34.840
which that he's going for the world
title or what's the out of the

833
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.480
match running up and down like aqueduct
stairs, because they did this really like

834
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.800
sports and you know, sports focused
Rock Brock SummerSlam two thousand and two style

835
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:46.519
promotion for this, you know,
two titans that have earned it all and

836
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:52.119
I'm going to go for the gold
and a real aff. And you know

837
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.400
they play audio of Sting putting Bobby
rudover, so they're trying to interoperate the

838
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.199
Sting, Hogan and Rude angle matches
together. We touched on that last time

839
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.119
on TNH. You talking about how
together Sting, you and I Rude talking

840
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:06.280
this company can we can get this
company back to where it belongs and uh

841
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:08.800
back on track. We're about to
find out. We're about to find out.

842
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:17.119
I'll find I say no and if
I lose, I still can't get

843
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:21.920
over how binding that is that he
just said it and blurted it out.

844
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:25.239
And it's like, I'm well,
honestly to the point where after I watched

845
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:29.280
that promo, I didn't even really
think anything about it. And then then

846
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.639
you hear Tanay in the precept I'm
gonna play it when we get there,

847
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:36.920
but like he talks about it like
this is the most important match of all

848
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.800
time, and I'm like, it
is. I didn't really feel that.

849
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.239
Yeah, they do, like this
preamble before the entrances for Hogan Sting and

850
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.920
it's Tanay and Taz at the desk
and man's das reaching for things to say.

851
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.039
It's like, oh God, he's
he stumbles so much because he can't

852
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:59.800
get into it. He can't let
himself express the stakes that he's being asked

853
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:01.960
to communicate around this match. Because
the only steakes he's thinking about, when

854
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:06.280
is he going to eat after at
the restaurant, look at a hotel,

855
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.679
the holy steaks. He's thinking about
our Philly cheese. Yeah, you're damn

856
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:13.119
right, perfectly clear about that.
Where do we go? Pats? Is

857
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.239
that it was? I think so
they went to Pads in the Moon to

858
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:19.280
another one too, but you didn't
go. You were gone by that point.

859
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.559
I missed that. Yeah, the
rest of us went to another one.

860
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.079
I got definitely get my phill on
Philly chee steaks that time. That

861
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:28.079
was great ship stuff. Huh.
I was actually quite surprised how much I

862
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:30.159
loved it. Yeah, I know, it was so good. And he's

863
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.760
in Philly this year. I'm just
saying, uh, yeah, I think

864
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:37.119
gonna get a fill on that.
It'll get a breakfast cheese steak and get

865
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.239
a lunch cheese steak, going to
get my phill phil And I'm not talking

866
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:46.599
about Brooks so just in case you
weren't confused enough about the TNA wrestling Impact

867
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:51.159
Wrestling thing. What's this company called? We get to a pay per view

868
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:53.519
and sure enough, TENNA is back
on the ring skirt, not Impact Wrestling.

869
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:58.400
Well, also they had the TENA
Championship for fox sake. Well there's

870
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.679
that too, you know, like
they haven't replaced the belt. If you

871
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.440
lets to mention that as you as
I'll play in a little while, you

872
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:10.400
got fucking sting the night after saying
TNA brand and Impact Wrestling in the same

873
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:15.079
fucking sentence, right, Yeah,
because truly the show was renamed Impact Wrestling,

874
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:19.280
not the whole company, but you
wouldn't know it because they redid everything

875
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:22.079
with not re a mention of TNA. We touched last week on how it

876
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.800
was sponsorship, but it is Impact
Wrestling now, right, that's what it

877
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.840
is for real. Yes, Yeah, they never called themselves TNA anymore.

878
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:30.800
Yeah, they actually switched the whole
name of the company like around twenty fifteen

879
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.440
if memory serves, where you didn't
hear any any reference to TNA any longer,

880
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.960
and they remade the belt and everything. But but yeah, you heard

881
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:45.199
a little reference in that whole Cogan
Howard Stern interview there to where Hogan kind

882
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.079
of tried to slip in a mention
of Impact Wrestling. We'd have been mentioning

883
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.960
so at the course of tnh how
demoralizing it was to people at TNA that

884
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.719
whole Cogan would get these opportunities to
speak in the mainstream about what he's up

885
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.679
to these days, do all the
other things he's involved in winning you're unwittingly

886
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:04.480
and he never mentioned TNA, never
tried to point people to the fact that

887
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.360
he's back back active in a wrestling
organization that you could check out every week

888
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:14.400
on Spike TV if you'd like to. And and now he mentions it Impact

889
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:15.880
Wrestling. He mentioned Dixie Carter,
which means nothing to anybody. Now that

890
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.320
is Eric Bischoff's name, but he
mentions Impact Wrestling, and Stern talks about

891
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:23.440
and how much do you think that
hurts fucking the Eric bishof that he can

892
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:28.119
mention his name and nobody gives a
ship what's work for? Eric Bishoff starts

893
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:34.119
like, Okay, what's that?
What's that exactly? He barely right,

894
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.239
So I might know that though,
because he probably watched it wonder years.

895
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:39.800
Yeah, that's true. I was
being flippant. So he says, um,

896
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.239
Impact Wrestling, and then it hit
me like that's it. He felt

897
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.000
like such a fucking idiot to say
the initials t NA on a mainstream interview

898
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.760
because it sounds like you're saying tit's
an ass. Oh good call, because

899
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:53.920
like the intel we got was that
a big part of the Impact Wrestling rebrand,

900
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:58.760
which is Spike driven deal was it
would help with with marketing and sponsorship,

901
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.079
and shortly after or they rename it
Impact Wrestling and do the wrestling matters

902
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:05.760
and redress up the Impact Zone at
all Blue they get the direct Auto insurance

903
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.719
sponsorship on the Apron and the water
Wow. Yeah right. So you gotta

904
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:12.199
wonder if like sponsors are like,
you know, we'd like to, but

905
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.119
it's called TNA. For God's sakes, like this, we can't. It

906
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:20.000
doesn't doesn't work for us. It'd
be so distracting off whole Covin just blurted

907
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.199
out TNA, you know, in
the middle of an interview. Yeah,

908
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:28.159
ta, dude, what you're in? You're in TNA. I'm into GENNA.

909
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:34.639
What I'm not wrestling there, don't
get it twisted. I don't wrestle

910
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:40.199
wrestling. Doesn't matter brother wrestling.
No, dude, I don't wrestle.

911
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.000
Brother. What I do is I
watch the wrestling, Yeah, and I

912
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:50.000
walk around it yit, I walk
around wrestling and I watch around wrestling.

913
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:57.159
Terry slogan is not wrestling matters,
declining to wrestling matters. So it's right

914
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:01.199
not wrestling matters and right, na
law, Like, am I going to

915
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:13.119
pretend I don't walk around? Do
do? Do I mean? And it's

916
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:25.280
it's it's so funny, like bum
baby from Hang I want to really hear

917
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:36.280
it. Let's go b DNA law
baby, whoop bompa, give me your

918
01:04:36.320 --> 01:05:06.840
own b b b boom boo wow
wow wow no no man, now why

919
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:18.480
no wow waha wow whna wow wow
waha wow wanna w now boom boom boom

920
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:24.119
boo boom. But no, no, no, no, no, no,

921
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:40.159
no, no no my bah blah
blah blah b b boo. Whoa

922
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:51.880
whoa, whoa, whoa wo oh. It's like succession, Like they never

923
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.920
leave the room. It's like a
forty five minute episode and they're just in

924
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.960
the same room negotiating right same things
to each other. And that's the whole

925
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.239
show. And it's it's it works. Yeah, unfortunately, it just so

926
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:08.079
well to a pro wrestling team.
Someone said on I think it was Patreon

927
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:12.400
a Twitter and apologies for not noting
who it was. It's like TNA is

928
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.559
like a soap opera about running a
wrestling company, right exactly, and that

929
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.480
TNA Law thing nails it, you
know, recreating that the credit sequence from

930
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.159
La Law because it is is that
it's like a it's like you're doing a

931
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:27.559
show about a law firm, right, because it's all about contracts and like

932
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:33.800
subterfuge and meeting Like it's about it's
about the higher ups, about the exacts.

933
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:41.880
It's about you know, so Stower
power plays. It's about meetings like

934
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.159
in hallways that break up the second
someone who isn't supposed to know walks into

935
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.320
the room, right, tremendous.
So, yeah, walking through doors,

936
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:54.199
it's about walking. It's about it's
about walking talk meetings, you know,

937
01:06:55.679 --> 01:07:01.679
disgusting, it's about stupid shit.
So gave you a little flavor of the

938
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.320
beginning of the broadcast. We are
not going to do the entire TENA Bound

939
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:06.239
for Glory pay per view. We
did the first one. We felt like

940
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.840
that was enough in terms of sampling
kind of like you know, the full

941
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.679
essence of TNA. But we're really
dialed in at this point to the Hulk

942
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.960
Street Brother, and we're putting this
thing in a new gear or killing off

943
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:19.039
a year in two episodes, and
so we need to focus in on the

944
01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:24.119
things that are Hulk Coogan or end
up revolving around Hulk Cogan, as we'll

945
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.880
talk about. And so what that
means is we got to fast forward through

946
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.599
the bound for Glory show and get
to the point where our cameras are hidden.

947
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:35.559
Cameras backstage, Oh Boy, have
been trained on a window behind which

948
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:43.840
Eric Bischoff and ten A referee Jackson
James are in conversation. It's a long

949
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:45.440
time coming, Boss, Well,
I need to let the people know.

950
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.880
Here we go. This is a
night, man, We've been talking about

951
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:54.519
her a long time. This is
the night. You're ready. I'm ready.

952
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.280
I'm sure. I'm sure. It's
a big night, but I'm ready.

953
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.719
All right. Look something, I
know you've been there, force,

954
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.360
You've been in the right place at
the right time, the right calls and

955
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:08.039
been able to do it in a
way that no one has figured this thing

956
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:12.519
out. And I appreciate it.
We all appreciate it. But tonight it's

957
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.639
going to be a little bit different. Speak tonight. Two things have to

958
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:19.279
happen. Number One. Obviously,
Hulk's gonna win. Okay, that's obvious.

959
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:25.039
Brother number two, and I even
even really talked to Hulk about this.

960
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:30.000
But to me, we have to
take a sting out permanently. I

961
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.159
want him going out on a stretcher
and I don't ever want him coming back.

962
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:38.960
It's going to get ugly, but
I need you to have my back.

963
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:43.520
Can you be there? I got
your back then, Are you sure?

964
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:47.239
Because it's going to get ugly.
I'm sure I got your cover.

965
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:53.199
All right. It's a big moment, man. You've grown up in this

966
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:58.159
business. You've been around it all
your life. Tonight tonight's tonight. Tire

967
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.520
waiting a long time love love too, all right, let's get it though.

968
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.439
So I need you to be honest
about me. Yeah. Were you

969
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:10.960
able to avoid all this time a
spoiler as to who Jackson James really was

970
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.039
all this time? Yeah? I
don't know what the fuck he was.

971
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:15.600
So what was your reaction when they
reveal here a bound for glory? Many

972
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:20.199
people knew already from the newsletters and
stuff that in fact referee Jackson James is

973
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:28.560
Eric Bischoff's son Garrett. My reaction
was, how come no other employee of

974
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:33.279
Tanning knows what Garrett looks like,
especially when they follow up with promos about

975
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:35.720
how Eric had him around the business
his entire life. Going back to the

976
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:41.199
AWA studios when Bishof work there,
Yeah, I was like, I was

977
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:43.359
literally like wait a minute. I
was like, so part of me like

978
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.279
moments like oh, okay, okay. But then I was like, wait

979
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:50.680
a minute. He's been around.
Bischoff's been around so many of these guys

980
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:58.560
in other companies. Nobody knows what
Garrett Bischof looks like. I always kept

981
01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:02.119
him locked up in the log cabin
and Cody, I guess, yet somehow

982
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:05.439
had wrestling around him all the fucking
time. So if you're wondering why we

983
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:09.199
planted that seed last time, like
T and Agent spent so much time on

984
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:14.640
the Garrett Bischoff specific provisions of Eric
Bischoff's February twenty eleven T and A contract,

985
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.439
this is why he's legging the groundwork
too, you know, a glide

986
01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:20.319
path for his son Garrett to get
into the business. Wide glide, brother,

987
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:27.800
what's that wide glide dude, Garrett
Bischoff. Okay, I mean there's

988
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:29.800
gonna be a lot to get into
and a lot to touch on as it

989
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.760
regards to this youngster. And I
am so so stupid not a fan,

990
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:38.079
Garrett Bischoff. I mean, look, I think the kid, the kid,

991
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:44.880
I appreciate a lot of shit,
but the and and you know,

992
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:48.720
he's not the worst person when he
speaks. Did We've definitely seen worse.

993
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:55.159
But I don't know, it's just
it's so lame. The whole thing just

994
01:10:55.239 --> 01:11:00.560
seems so stupid. It does.
And like, would contrite be the right

995
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:05.960
word? Contrite maybe trite? Trite
maybe trites the word I'm looking for.

996
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:12.640
Yeah, trite meaning you know,
it's like it's it's it's overdone. It's

997
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.119
like it's not as important as like
honestly, you know, you know,

998
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.760
the more of that came around,
I'm like, oh, so what is

999
01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:20.800
this. It's funny he mentioned you
know, Awa and shit, Like I'm

1000
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:26.159
like, okay, Verne and fucking
Greg, that's what it feels like.

1001
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.479
Except your dad wasn't a wrestler,
right, That's always weird, Like nepotism,

1002
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.039
not father to son, wrestler to
wrestler, but like executive to wrestler.

1003
01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:34.880
That's a new one. I'm trying
to think it. I mean,

1004
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:38.119
I guess it is. I guess
you can Shane in a way, but

1005
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:44.720
it's just weird. I don't I
just again, my first my first instant

1006
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:45.960
was how am I supposed to believe
that none of these people know what fucking

1007
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:50.640
interesting point looks like? To me, it's almost like they spend all this

1008
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:54.520
time having Jackson James, you know, hide who he is and do little

1009
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:59.119
subtle things to benefit Bischoff and Hogan
in key matches, and then the second

1010
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.079
we find out about it, they
turn a baby face, say they didn't

1011
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:04.399
even capitalize and all the heat that
that was supposed to have generated. Right,

1012
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:08.159
he should be like such a heel
now, you know, and if

1013
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:10.439
he wrestles, fine, Like I'm
not saying he's a state of referee,

1014
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:13.199
but be a heel wrestler for a
while, like take advantage of the fact

1015
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:15.319
that you built this up all this
time. But the second we come to

1016
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:17.640
terms with it and want to rip
the guys to road out in theory,

1017
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:24.199
we're being asked to cheer for him, right, and he's it's just it's

1018
01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:28.119
I don't know, it's it's stupid. You can't introduce a character like this

1019
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.680
and make him a baby face right
out of the gate. I don't care.

1020
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:31.920
I'm in times. He knocks Eric
on his ass, and Eric took

1021
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.119
you know, a lot of bumps
for his son to get him started.

1022
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.880
It's such a curious part of teenage
because Garrett really didn't have a career outside

1023
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:43.760
of Bischoff's short lived, you know, administrative run. I was gonna say,

1024
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:45.039
I mean, like, what what
what? What's the goal here?

1025
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.279
Yeah? What's the goal? What's
the end goal? I want to get

1026
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:49.960
this? And you know he spent
a year and a half or so.

1027
01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:54.880
I think it was training um and
I think it was Rakishi squad and with

1028
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:58.479
a Dudleys as well. I think
to some degree. Wow, and uh.

1029
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:00.640
You know, Bischoff has talked a
lot his podcast about how he absolutely

1030
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:05.920
wanted to have Garrett build up like
a base and understanding in a general respect

1031
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.920
for the business before he started,
you know, introducing him to TNA and

1032
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.760
when he first started coming around as
Jackson James the referee. Of course they

1033
01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.000
weren't acknowledging he was a son on
television, but equally so Bischoff, you

1034
01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:20.680
know, has talked about sort of
insisting that Garrett not really interact with his

1035
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:25.760
father at television and try his best
to more, you know, blend himself

1036
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:29.039
in as just another kid trying to
make it in the business without you know,

1037
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.359
beating people over the head with the
fact that he's related to Eric by

1038
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:34.640
associating it's not like no one knew
it. However, they didn't want to

1039
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:39.439
overdo that that message. I want
him to learn how to you know,

1040
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.640
interact with and talk to the elders
and the company and things like that.

1041
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.439
So it's been I think it's interesting
to hear Eric talk about how he tried

1042
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.039
to get Garrett in the business because
it's it's a unique perspective as someone who

1043
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:53.640
didn't wrestle but had a lot of
power in wrestling and you know, understands

1044
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:58.159
rustling, and it's like, but
immediately instead of starting at the bottom and

1045
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:00.520
like trying to wrestle, he's like
involved with Hogan and he's involved with Flair.

1046
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.960
Calmed down, can't you can't push
this guy? You know in the

1047
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:09.600
main event picture of the yes you
can, Yes you can, and they're

1048
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:13.520
gonna do it. He was okay, He wasn't a bad television performer,

1049
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:15.600
so that helped a lot. It
wasn't like we were you know, it

1050
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:19.680
sounds this Eric Watts or something.
No, no, no, not.

1051
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:25.279
It wasn't that bad, but it
still wasn't very good. That wasn't very

1052
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.079
good. Is Mike Tinette going through
his whole shocked routine at the desk when

1053
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:32.119
they find out Garrett is well,
Jackson is Garrett. I've got your back,

1054
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:36.760
Dad, And he looks he looks
so well, nothing about And honestly,

1055
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:41.279
you know, I'm I'm kind of
sick of Mike Tinette. Well,

1056
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.600
he doesn't have good stuff to work
with. He can be as great as

1057
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:45.319
anybody else I have to see.
He's just like I'm just like, you

1058
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:49.800
know, there there's this part of
and part of me it feels bad for

1059
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:54.079
him. I mean a lot of
me feels bad for him because I know

1060
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.600
that a lot of it is not
his fault. I know the majority of

1061
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:00.720
it is not his fault. I
know that he is stuck with with horse

1062
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.640
shit and he's trying to make horse
shit salad with it all, you know,

1063
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:10.199
because it's just it's just a nightmare. It's just a fucking nightmare.

1064
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:15.159
And I mean, how are you
as a as a wrestling as as a

1065
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:23.800
as basically the voice of the wrestling
fan for you know, for this company,

1066
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:27.079
which is you know, in a
way, what your lead commentator really

1067
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:32.079
should be is the voice of the
fan, expressing things that you that in

1068
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.800
a way they want you, you
know, that they want you to be

1069
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:40.119
thinking about, but that you should
be thinking about anyway, you know,

1070
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:45.720
as a fan watching this show,
and it's like, I don't fucking care

1071
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.720
the stuff that he's that he's making
a big deal out. I don't care

1072
01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:53.039
about it. He's he's asked to
make a big deal out of something that

1073
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:56.960
doesn't register us, a big deal. Like sitting there like can you believe

1074
01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:00.239
it? He's glancing off, and
all I'm thinking to myself is, dude,

1075
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:01.880
you're a fucking idiot. He's making
a face like the Grinch when he

1076
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:06.720
goes it came without ribbons, it
came without tags, like he pauses in

1077
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:11.640
his wandering eyes with his mouth open
as he's putting the pieces together because everything's

1078
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.880
a big you know, I'm sitting
here like, dude, you work for

1079
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.319
the company seven you know, you
know, a for a full time job,

1080
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:25.520
meaning that you're not just here on
television. Surely you've seen Garrett Bischoff

1081
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.439
backstage. Again, it all comes
down that that is the one thing I

1082
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.239
cannot get out of it, get
get over is the fact that nobody knows

1083
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:39.079
what Garrett fucking Bishoff looks. Like, Yeah, it's not something that they

1084
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:43.119
it's not a loose end they cared
to tie up, but well they loose

1085
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:45.640
and they fucking cared to consider.
I don't think they could do anything about

1086
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.640
it, like if you because again
they're they're the only ones, like because

1087
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:53.800
they didn't think through it and even
have an explanation for it, like if

1088
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.720
if they had an explanation for like
well, here's the reason why nobody fucking

1089
01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.039
recognized him. And it's another example
of what I think is a huge I

1090
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:01.680
don't know where this comes from or
why this is such a problem with TNA,

1091
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:06.079
but they have these huge reveal moments
backstage and pretapes. What's the fun

1092
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:11.920
great are these big reveals Like can
you imagine if Vince's higher power was revealed

1093
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:16.199
in the fucking in an office through
that through blind I mean when the reveal

1094
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:19.600
in front of the audience is where
you know, is where you know if

1095
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:24.159
something matters or that's how, you
know, if it worked exactly. Yeah,

1096
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:27.479
I don't understand at all why they
do so many impactful like twists,

1097
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.119
Like a lot of the the Dixie
coming back filing, the lawsuit and the

1098
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:34.239
Thanksgiving stuff is all backstage. It's
like, maybe there's a reason logistically they

1099
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:39.479
did it that way, but maybe
they're maybe maybe they're trying to transcend wrestling

1100
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:43.439
and become the become like a fucking
weekly entertainment program. Yeah, it sounds

1101
01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:46.239
like the people in power might have
ambitions, wonder making television shows. I

1102
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.319
wonder if they've got I wonder if
they've got you know, they're interested in

1103
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:54.159
scripted action hours. That's correct.
Scripted action hours is a new term in

1104
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.600
the lapsed lexicon thanks to the most
recent under the cinemat and amazing, a

1105
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:00.680
real term two used in the trade. Yeah. Yeah, I was in

1106
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:06.560
variety, Variety, you know,
newspaper and magazine Murder the fuck he is

1107
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:14.239
legit shit. So today, obviously
his mind is racing at the ramifications of

1108
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.640
what we've just learned that in fact, referee Jackson James is Eric Bischof's son

1109
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:20.159
Garrett, and what does that meant
for all those key moments along the way

1110
01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:25.000
where Garrett did a little something to
advantage Immortal, even though there are times

1111
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.039
he didn't. But that's that's fine, even though he counted three when he

1112
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:32.079
when it would have been in the
Immortal's interest from to not count three during

1113
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:36.239
the the Jeff Hardy Matt Morgan series. But it's all about as Tonay says,

1114
01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:41.279
it's all about power and control.
That was all about power and glory.

1115
01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:44.039
So we do a package here before
Hogan and Staying where just like in

1116
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:45.199
the beginning of the show, they
go back to the New York City press

1117
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.880
conference and tell that story and why
why do we need to see this all

1118
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:53.920
again? It wanted to be like
a three year story arc here, good

1119
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:58.439
luck with that, which is not
really but okay, Dixie screaming at Staying

1120
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.359
all this optic language. Oh,
I can't stand that one. I mean,

1121
01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:09.920
although she's not wrong, you know, she's not wrong because they you

1122
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.159
know, he did use cryptic language. She did, yea, And it

1123
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:15.600
was supposed to the Mafia coming back
and it just don't you see my god,

1124
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:20.760
and it just ended up being sting, you know, all these times

1125
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:26.520
later with the go home line in
this pre video package of sting, saying,

1126
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:30.199
it told me a matter of time
before the Hull Cogan that every person

1127
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.960
wants to see before Hull Cogan's eyes
opened and the real Hull Cogan shows up.

1128
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.600
So a lot of real Hull Cogan
stuff. But I kind of thought

1129
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:40.920
they blew that off with that you
know, go home show twist where Hogan

1130
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:44.079
his heel. I kind of thought
that they weren't trying to play up I

1131
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:45.960
need the real Cogan ship, but
they were. They still go for that,

1132
01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:48.520
They still pushed and they do it. And obviously again, you know,

1133
01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:54.640
I certainly was the one person apparently
who was not like, oh,

1134
01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:59.039
this is a thing that's going to
happen, because I wasn't anticipating it and

1135
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:02.279
I wasn't looking for forward to it
per se or like waiting for it to

1136
01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:08.520
happen, but the fans were.
It really strikes me as especially it strikes

1137
01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:12.079
me, especially here watching the show
back, how kind of goofy it was

1138
01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:17.840
to blow the retirement goodwill around Hogan
in some you know right yep, because

1139
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:21.520
Bound for Glory ends up being about
nostalgia for whole Coogan anyway, Like why

1140
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:25.880
confuse the emotions so much in the
weeks leading up to it, right,

1141
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:29.079
Wrestling is so bad about that,
and even you know vinces don her times,

1142
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:30.960
like with the Brett match and WrestleMania
and him, it's like you've got

1143
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:35.800
something. It's so this story is
already told. You just need to permission

1144
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:40.119
the audience to go there and then
just shut the fuck up about it.

1145
01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:44.560
You've got a match, Just let
us get there and just remind us it's

1146
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:47.479
coming. Let the guys talk about
why it's important. But you don't have

1147
01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:51.880
to add chapters. You don't have
to add these sort of like sidebar developments

1148
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:58.159
that involve extraneous characters and extraneous days. And maybe they do though maybe maybe

1149
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.680
they just don't understand that, you
know, maybe they like you know what,

1150
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:04.640
they're not there yet. Clearly they're
not there yet. I mean,

1151
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:09.439
I know Russo breaks out in hives
if he isn't scripting a swerve every week,

1152
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.920
But keep him away from the programs. They can actually make money,

1153
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.840
you know. The fate of the
company is at stake. Is the immortal

1154
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:20.880
whole Cooken in the Insane Icon,
sting Prepare for War. It's the insane

1155
01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:26.479
icon. So we're looking forward to
what I've always been waiting for the Insane

1156
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:36.439
Icon. It's a great fucking nickname. They had so much good shit,

1157
01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:44.279
pal they just don't know what to
fucking do with it, and they just

1158
01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.159
fucking drop. He's the icon.
And now because he puts red paint in

1159
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:55.760
the corner of his mouth, he's
the insane icon because he laughs uncontrollably.

1160
01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:00.600
Today's ladies and gentlemen. For years, whole Cogan has gone to any length

1161
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.239
to avoid facing sting one on one. Here, I do I have,

1162
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:08.399
Yes, I do, I think
I have that one here, hold on,

1163
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:15.000
Ladies and gentlemen. For years,
Paul Hogan has gone to any links

1164
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:19.119
to avoid having to face staying one
on one, even to the point of

1165
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:26.000
announcing his retirement on Impact Wrestling.
But after Staying defeated Rick Flair, he

1166
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:30.039
is in line to have a fight
with Hogan, a fight task for the

1167
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:33.840
power and control of this organization.
Played it simple or we set it early.

1168
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:39.000
I mean the company that we worked
for, and that all those Wrestless

1169
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:42.159
Max stage, that locker room,
all the production people, all of these

1170
01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:46.880
Thus of fancy in Philadelphias, mins
of people watching at home for company Impact

1171
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:50.760
Wrestling, tia that it's hanging in
the balance right now, the power.

1172
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:55.840
Will Hogan maintain that power? That's
the question. Will Sting at that power?

1173
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:59.319
Tas in terms of the big picture, have we had a match as

1174
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:02.359
important as this in the entire history
of this company when you think of what's

1175
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:06.319
at stake here? No way,
I mean, listen, We've seen over

1176
01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:10.159
the years, not just here in
this company. The company is all over

1177
01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:14.640
the place, different stipulations. The
company is on the line here. I

1178
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:16.359
mean, hello, that's pretty huge. I mean, I think that's the

1179
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.840
biggest stipulation could have in a match. Stakes could not get any higher,

1180
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:28.960
they could get more flavorful. I
mean, first of all, why isn't

1181
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:30.199
this the main event? If this
is the most important match of it now?

1182
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:35.439
I know, I just am Mike. I don't understand. Number one,

1183
01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:41.880
Hogan has been ducking Sting for years. Yeah, ever since ninety eight

1184
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:49.439
ninety nine. You mean when Sting
beat him at Fall Brawl, He's he's

1185
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:54.000
been ducking him in that they've ever
worked in the same company. You mean,

1186
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:59.479
you mean, what what do you
mean with talk subsequent to Debbie Stubby

1187
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:06.279
subsequently? Because why why does Sting? Okay, First of all, Hogan's

1188
01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:14.880
been if someone's ducking you. It
means that you lost and you want to

1189
01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:21.159
try it again. Correct me if
I'm wrong, But Sting's beaten Hogan every

1190
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:27.840
fucking time, So fuck is he
ducking him for? Right? What we're

1191
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.800
trying to preserve? If anything,
Given Hogan's track record of trying to get

1192
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:36.279
his win back, stings ducking Hogan. Wow, there's an alternate reading of

1193
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:42.680
the thing, like let's let's think
about it here, pal and what it's

1194
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:45.199
worth that bit you just played today, and Ta's clearly in a position of

1195
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.159
having to kill time. I don't
know what they is they are waiting for

1196
01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:51.359
him now? They just drone on, probably know what do we gotta kind

1197
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:57.159
of cut five minutes off? Can't
I can't do fifteen? They suck all

1198
01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:00.520
the life out of this match by
the time they're done talking about like this

1199
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:01.680
is huge, this is the biggest
thing of all time, and they say

1200
01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:05.079
it with no base in their voice
because they can't bring themselves to sell it

1201
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:09.199
that hard. It's just such a
stupid thing. Like, you know,

1202
01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:15.479
first of all, we shouldn't need
to care about control of a company ever,

1203
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:19.399
as wrestling fans ever, very it
can be done well, but it

1204
01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:25.760
has a fun thing unless you have
a fun thing, like like the Steve

1205
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:32.920
Austin thing. You know, that
was fun watching him control WWE for a

1206
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:39.399
while when he had that what was
it the how I don't remember how that

1207
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:43.079
happened, How that he had control
of the company in any nine for like

1208
01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:46.640
the month of May or whatever you
know that was That was different. But

1209
01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:51.520
it was different though because it wasn't. You knew it wasn't gonna last forever.

1210
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:55.800
You knew that it was just part
of the story. Whereas this is

1211
01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.199
the story. As opposed to part
of the story. They don't care about

1212
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:00.960
this story that there's like nothing all
you wanted. All you wanted was to

1213
01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:09.560
see Steve Austin beat Vince sick Man
in any way possible. How can we

1214
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:13.520
you know, how can we do
this and that? And then and but

1215
01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.199
here it's like I don't give a
shit about who runs the company, you

1216
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:23.840
know, especially when no one seems
to operate outside of that context, Like

1217
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:28.319
what what is so valuable about controlling
this company? If nobody can do anything

1218
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:31.039
that isn't about who's controlling the company, Like like I also don't know what

1219
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:36.399
what's so corrupt? Like what I
mean I guess putting matches together, right,

1220
01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:43.119
they've fucking done pretty well, you
know, like they it's not like

1221
01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:47.680
nWo type of shit, like they're
when they go backstage, is they cut

1222
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:53.359
heal promos in the ring, But
so doesn't every boss for every fucking company,

1223
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:57.520
right, you know, And then
they go backstage and they make matches

1224
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.600
that actually fans kind of want to
say. And Hogan came in, as

1225
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:04.399
we've documented in January twenty and ten, with the intention of getting you excited

1226
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:08.640
about the idea that he's taking over
the company, and in ten months that's

1227
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:13.039
a huge negative. They're forced to
spin it that way. But it's like,

1228
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.720
do we really think that a show
an impact wrestling brought to us by

1229
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:18.920
Dixie Carter or an impact wrestling brought
to us by Hulkogan and Erk Bishoff,

1230
01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:23.319
feels any different because it doesn't.
I know, it does exact same show

1231
01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:26.680
with the exact same wrestlers in the
exact same order, with the exact same

1232
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:30.079
emphasis, and the exact same you
know, distribution of match time and interview

1233
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:31.600
time, and it's the same exact
show. So like, you know,

1234
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:34.319
they don't even bother to make the
Hogan bishof shows feel different, you know

1235
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:38.479
what I mean, It's just Hogan
Bishof come out of the top and do

1236
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:43.399
a you know, forty five minute
monologue. So that's that the table set.

1237
01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:46.239
We're now finally do that, and
they do that anyway whoever's running the

1238
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.359
fucking company. So now staying in
Dixie're going to talk for forty five minutes

1239
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:54.800
instead, except Bishof and Hogan will
do it anyway too. Table set.

1240
01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:57.079
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Even
when they're not in power, they get

1241
01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:00.720
as much TV time. I mean, the Bishof the Garret Shof Eric Bischof

1242
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:04.199
thing is like fifty percent of the
first impact after they lose power. You

1243
01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:09.880
know, it's so annoying. Why
aren't they fired? Like, if Dixie

1244
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.439
gets control of the company back,
why isn't her first order of business to

1245
01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.359
fire these fucking people who pulled this
one on her? You know, that's

1246
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:17.520
why you can't have That's why control
of the company is never a good thing,

1247
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:24.239
because because the stuff that you would
do that makes sense is stuff you

1248
01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:28.840
can't do because of contracts, and
because essentially these are your stars, right,

1249
01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:30.640
yeah, you involve the top people
in the program, you can't just

1250
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:35.840
as well eliminate the top people after
the climax of the thing. So here

1251
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:41.600
it is, we're here Sting versus
Hogan down for Glory twenty eleven. The

1252
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:44.680
music hits, Christy Hemmy tells us
this will be a matchup between two of

1253
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:47.479
the biggest superstars in the history of
professional wrostling, a couple of guys from

1254
01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:51.640
Venice Beach. No big deal.
Yeah, right at that big raising video

1255
01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:55.399
while that TNA used to bring on
the road with the H two logo up

1256
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:59.680
there, that Hogan the H squared
logo that he had Broiler started wearing.

1257
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.039
And he's got an Impact Wrestling shirt
T shirt on white cut off he I

1258
01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:06.560
mean, I mean, look at
that. He's a fucking company guy.

1259
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:11.960
What's wrong with him? Well,
they yet, remember they were forced to

1260
01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:16.119
have Bishov act like he was down
with and a huge supporter of the remake

1261
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:23.079
because mcfoley left after a week.
So Hogan shouldn't have a negative animis towards

1262
01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:27.920
that Impact Wrestling logo. If I
guess you're to believe that a clumsy recovery

1263
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.840
from that set of circumstances there,
that's really one of the bigger black eyes.

1264
01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:33.039
I think when we look back on
this thing, they're like they couldn't

1265
01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:39.279
even deliver that storyline that was supposed
to transform the show, so fucking dumb.

1266
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.439
So he's got a white Impact wrestling
T shirt on with a sleeves cut

1267
01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:45.479
off. He comes out smiling and
beating his chest like a total baby face.

1268
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:48.600
Right, Oh, come on,
you knew that was gonna happen.

1269
01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:53.880
Then, believable, the last from
the guy. He was a conniving,

1270
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:58.159
fucking snake. When push comes to
shove, you know he's always gonna fucking

1271
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:00.079
dude, this is this is the
master correct one more time? Isn't?

1272
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:04.039
Really? It absolutely is, especially
come come the end of this match,

1273
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:06.319
Holy shit, brother. I mean
I went out there trying to, you

1274
01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:09.680
know, keep with the story,
brother, but it's just these people.

1275
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:12.880
You know, this whole supposed to
Brother, What am I supposed to do?

1276
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:16.840
Dude? Exactly? He's a victim
of circumstances. What he is broller

1277
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:21.800
beating his chest, red bandana on
taped fists, the grassianos, dude,

1278
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:28.800
the science sciences. Hogan is God. He's cupping the ear, pumping his

1279
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.800
fist, and then another one.
Another sign reads, why so nervous Hogan?

1280
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:34.239
Brother? What that is not a
funny sign to hold up in the

1281
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:39.159
sky's face. Brother, Get that
guy out, dude, Get him out

1282
01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:42.439
of the sot of impact. Brother, Fuck this guy, dude. I

1283
01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:48.359
am not continuing the show until you
get him out out brother. This is

1284
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:55.199
why we don't have anything. Hogan
and jeans and red kneepads, red knee

1285
01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:57.720
pads over his jeans? Like,
come on, do you? Why couldn't

1286
01:30:57.720 --> 01:31:00.439
you wear tights? Is he not
wrestling? What's wrong with you? I

1287
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:02.640
wonder if he's got a brace on. I don't think so, though,

1288
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.920
No, because he rips his shirt
off later he doesn't. Who cares?

1289
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:15.720
Just fucking where like the red or
where different? Where the kneepads under your

1290
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:19.479
fucking jeans? Bro? Or something
like that, Like it looks so stupid

1291
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:25.000
to have red kneepads over his blue
jeans, but seriously to put a finer

1292
01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:28.199
point on it. Someone holds a
sign and helps face that says, why

1293
01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:33.479
so nervous? Hogan? Brother?
You tell me, brother, why are

1294
01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:46.600
you so nervous? Dude? White? What about? Why would you make

1295
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:51.079
that sign? Brother? What?
What do you what are you getting at?

1296
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:54.680
What are you gonna do? Why
should I be nervous? Brother?

1297
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.720
You're the one saying it, dude, You're the one question why I'm so

1298
01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:00.359
nervous? So why do you think
think I'm nervous? Brother? Don't you

1299
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:02.479
think that's a threat? Dude?
Like, don't you know do you think

1300
01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:05.640
that you think that I'm gonna fucking
freak out for some reason? Brother?

1301
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:11.680
Because you gotta sign? Dude?
Do you think Philadelphia Philadelphia Police Department?

1302
01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:15.800
Would you like to report a crime? Brother? So? Brother, yes,

1303
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:17.920
I want to report a crime.
At Where the fuck are we?

1304
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:21.800
Brother? Where are we? Dude? We're at some fucking arena, Brother,

1305
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:28.199
some fucking arena. Okay, there's
a guy dude in the audience,

1306
01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:30.960
brother, who has a sign.
Brother, and he's threatening me. Dude.

1307
01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:33.479
Oh what does it say? He's
threatening me, He's turning me,

1308
01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:38.159
he's thurning me with bodily harm.
Brother, he is talking. I'm like,

1309
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:40.760
I don't know if I'm going to
be able to get out of the

1310
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.319
arena alive. Brother? What does
it saying the sign? Is it a

1311
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:45.119
threat? Does it say he's gonna
kill it? Is it is a threat?

1312
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.239
Dude? What does it say?
It is? This is why so

1313
01:32:48.439 --> 01:33:10.880
nervous? Hogan? Brother? What
hello? What police departments? Ergron balls

1314
01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:17.199
on as a child become immobilized by
something that's become lodged in his throat.

1315
01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:27.359
Are you talking to bro? Has
he been involved in a household accident or

1316
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:39.479
a road racing accident? Is this
a gronzy honor brother? This is his

1317
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:44.560
officer grotzy on him? Correct?
And I have a question for you,

1318
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:46.680
sir, well, I have a
question for you, dude, why so

1319
01:33:46.920 --> 01:34:00.840
nervous? The PD turns on him? Not funny, dude, Oh he's

1320
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:08.640
getting fired up. Now you get
ready to do something about this. So

1321
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:13.399
he's posing and everything for the people
here in Philly's making the mustache lips to

1322
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:28.399
the music and uh, cut to
Dixie cut what okay? So we had

1323
01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:36.319
Dixie and she I guess there's somebody
sitting standing next to her who excuse Russ

1324
01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:43.079
like Hulk Hogan find out later on, and the guy kind of smacks her

1325
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:45.800
in the face with his boa,
and man, does she look pissed like

1326
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.199
this, like little feather touches her
face and she goes calm on to the

1327
01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:53.800
guy. I know, like,
you know he's paying your you know,

1328
01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:58.359
he's paying for these people. So
she loves being amongst her fans. All

1329
01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:01.279
right, yeah, right, Accidentally
you touch her cheek with your sign or

1330
01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:04.880
whatever, and see how much he
loves being next to you. As soon

1331
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:09.039
as she smells another human's flesh,
she wants to fucking kill them. But

1332
01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:12.560
she's got a deer in the headlight. Miss She is like stone faced.

1333
01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:15.119
When Hope makes his appearance, she
does a great cell job of like this,

1334
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:17.840
you know, the significance of the
match and surge of courses behind her

1335
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:21.800
as he always is. Usually he's
in the corner watching, but in this

1336
01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:31.560
case he's right behind her. Look
like a fun surge and surge fee.

1337
01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:35.359
I'll put this out there because I
saw it in my research for the show.

1338
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:40.600
It's tasty and I don't know what
to make of it. A suggestion

1339
01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:45.840
that one push game to show Dixie
gave Kevin Nash's release when he was supposed

1340
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:48.880
to be involved in the main event. Mafia returned storyline in the beginning of

1341
01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:53.399
twenty eleven to go to w W
and go to the Royal Rumble because he

1342
01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:58.800
threatened to tell a truth about her. Now, I don't know, but

1343
01:35:58.960 --> 01:36:01.720
that could be. I know in
future, you know, interviews like the

1344
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:08.000
the You shoot he did with Sean
Oliver. He was very complimentary towards Dixie

1345
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:13.359
years later and had a narry a
negative word to say about her. What

1346
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:16.600
do you know, keV? Well, hey, you know, I listen.

1347
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:21.479
I don't want to talk out of
school. Yeah, look, you

1348
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:26.600
know, by guns, be bygones, you know. Fuck, but I

1349
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:30.680
can tell you this. Yeah,
caught her a few times in the back.

1350
01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:39.279
Yeah. Really that's where she like, oh yeah, um, you

1351
01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:44.000
fucking you know people, you know, the boys. It's disgusting, it's

1352
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:46.960
sexy kind of to say that this
woman, right, this this powerful,

1353
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:53.840
proud, smart, capable woman running
a wrestling company despite all odds or whatever

1354
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.840
her interest And of course your first
thing is, oh, she's got to

1355
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.119
be sleeping with the boys, Like
how I'm much? How much of must

1356
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:03.760
pig can you be? I'm not. Look, look it's not about them.

1357
01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:09.920
She's She's the one. She's the
fucking animal. You know, I've

1358
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:15.640
fucking I've seen them all. She
fucking she propositions, she says, hey,

1359
01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:19.800
you know what you know you talk
about fucking uh you know, Harvey

1360
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:25.680
Weinstein. But Jesus, does she
know what she wants? keV? Yeah?

1361
01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:31.479
And what does she want? She
wants it? Everywhere? I saw

1362
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:36.399
a fucking h what is my my
boy there? What's his name? Um,

1363
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:45.439
I guess it's not your boy then? Uh, the fucking you know,

1364
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:49.760
the short kid. What's his fucking
name? Eric Young? Eric Young?

1365
01:37:49.880 --> 01:38:02.159
Yeah, shit, Eric Young.
Fucking Dixie had little I fucking bent

1366
01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:11.840
over backwards, you know, just
tied up like a fucking pretzel. And

1367
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:16.920
she's sitting on his fucking face snatch, just fucking rubbing all over the fucking

1368
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:23.560
place, and she's saying, eat
it, eat it, and well,

1369
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:32.279
well he's fucking eating her pussy.
She's slapping his ass. What I'm telling

1370
01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:36.199
you this fucking because I'm telling you
like she had him, you know,

1371
01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:42.359
she had him like in a fucking
uh you know, like sunset flip type

1372
01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:48.239
thing. It's fucking crazy, all
right, both fucking buck naked. She's

1373
01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:57.159
just fucking taking it. You know. It's fucking nuts. E y.

1374
01:38:57.479 --> 01:39:00.119
You know, hey, guys fighting
for his fucking job. Uh, it's

1375
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:06.359
fighting for oxygen to it sounds like
I just love it. I just love

1376
01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:10.960
it. I love the intrigue there. I just love it. And Dixie's

1377
01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:16.079
will tell you. You know,
Dixie's got a pussy. Well there goes

1378
01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:19.560
one mystery. That's what you can
count on. TNH coverage for me.

1379
01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:24.039
You you want to know something too, Like fucking Surge. He's there,

1380
01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:30.640
he's fucking videotaping that shocks kind of
figured. Yeah, occasionally gets involved.

1381
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:34.279
It's fucking nuts. Yeah. Yeah. They call that surge pricing. That's

1382
01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:38.720
right, you know, and they
you know, it's like when she's like

1383
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:45.279
when she's on the verge of fucking
coming. All right, she says,

1384
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:48.600
and this is with another again,
it's like this was a fucking e y,

1385
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:56.640
all right, She's fucking getting eaten
out by e Y. And then

1386
01:39:56.720 --> 01:40:05.359
she says, I want to our
Surge, and man, fucking Surge drops

1387
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:15.000
the fucking camera and just fucking unloads
on her, just fucking explosion of seemen.

1388
01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:25.880
So unlike Eric who wasted perfectly good
semen on Garrett, Surgeon knows exactly

1389
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:28.640
how to put it to use.
I mean, we're talking like a fucking

1390
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:34.880
hose, you know, like a
fucking fireman's hose worth a fucking come it

1391
01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:40.119
is, you know, of all
the things, it is kind of funny

1392
01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:51.720
that Surge pisses come. I'll just
say, it's like, you know,

1393
01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:55.920
it doesn't even need to fucking work
it up. It's like just fucking holes

1394
01:40:55.960 --> 01:41:03.560
that ship and boom, here's the
thing release. He's silent, the guys,

1395
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:09.359
the guys a fucking you know,
he's fucking stoic, like nobody's business,

1396
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:13.079
just fucking stands there. No,
there's no fucking you know, he's

1397
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:17.640
not he's not convulsing. You know, he's not fucking you know, even

1398
01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:24.119
like screaming or making any noises.
He just fucking stands there like a fucking

1399
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:30.800
statue. And just oh, just
needs to hear her say I need a

1400
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:33.640
what does it? I need a
power I need a fucking power surge.

1401
01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:39.880
Well, I guess I do know
what he has on her then, So

1402
01:41:40.039 --> 01:41:44.640
yeah, all of that is a
very long bro, that's just fucking e

1403
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:48.319
y. You know, you got
fucking double jay shit. Oh and we're

1404
01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:55.680
talking feces. So Hogan gets in
and he jogs around a bit, doesn't

1405
01:41:55.680 --> 01:42:00.680
he He does got a show we
can move. Wants you to know it's

1406
01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:04.479
the rope, slaps his shoulders to
day highlights. Now we know the referee

1407
01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:08.279
is the son of Eric Bischoff,
and Taz says, the fix is in.

1408
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:13.800
I've been waiting for the fix since
episode one. I mean it's been

1409
01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:16.319
it's not to burst anyone's bubble,
but it's been fixed for a long time.

1410
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:20.039
It's not coming. Yeah, actually
yeah, Eric I's staying out in

1411
01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:24.520
his red coat with a yellow while
Comania shirt on. He's got the pink

1412
01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:30.159
and purple frilly number robe on gives
the woods so kind of old school,

1413
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:40.720
uh like climic, you know,
surfer sting. Yeah yeah, but those

1414
01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:44.279
brighter colors, and he's still got
the Mechanics gloves with the red trim.

1415
01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:46.800
I mean he would wear those even
when he just wears street clothes on impact,

1416
01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:49.359
Like he's got a T shirt and
jeans on, but he's got those

1417
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:54.159
fucking gloves. Don't ask me what
that's supposed to be about. Maybe maybe

1418
01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:59.920
he's got maybe he's a germophobe.
Maybe, Taz says the icon Sting Forever

1419
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:04.399
we're playing head games with the Holster
by rocking the Ullerenia T shirt. I

1420
01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:10.119
mean also not even like a Hulk
Hogan version one. It's like stings so

1421
01:43:10.279 --> 01:43:14.920
weird with the shirts that he wears
in TNA, because they're always really bag

1422
01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:18.880
he really loose, and it looks
like he just fucking snagged them from concession

1423
01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:23.760
stands. Steve Boorden, I'm trying
to hide, trying to hide the physique

1424
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:27.279
that you know, will prevent Hogan
from putting him over when push comes to

1425
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:30.439
Chevy. That's a good point,
So Dixie with a series of claps for

1426
01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:31.920
the Stinger. She's very happy to
see him and willing to cheer him on

1427
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:35.439
here as he fights for control of
the company. Hogan standing on the bottom

1428
01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:39.960
rope talking trash down to Sting as
he steps into the ring. Purple boots

1429
01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:43.760
on the Stinger as well. We
notice and yeah, you know, looking

1430
01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:45.119
at him, the state of the
man who's he's still kind of playing up

1431
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:47.119
the joker thing in the face pain. He does look like a guy who

1432
01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:50.560
escaped confinement. He does. From
a distance, he looks pretty horrifying.

1433
01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:57.399
Actually, I would say he definitely
looks unconfined. Surge wholeheartedly clapping as well

1434
01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:01.319
for oh boy, Sting Rat looks
pretty good from this angle. We'll get

1435
01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:03.760
to the summer details later of how
they drew for the show on the road

1436
01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:06.760
in Philadelphia, but you know,
they're only shooting like three quarters of the

1437
01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:10.479
building. But the hard camera looks
good. It looks like a special event,

1438
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:14.119
not just a typical impact, which
is good. And the stage is

1439
01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:15.600
set. Boss, It's time for
Hole Coogan to wrestle, well fight,

1440
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:19.199
staying it bound for Glory twenty eleven. Here you got age, Tony says.

1441
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:23.000
Both Hogan and Sting are dressed to
fight, and that's exactly what this

1442
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:26.600
is going to be. The bell
sounds and Hogan starts his jogging again.

1443
01:44:26.680 --> 01:44:30.880
Immediately it goes yeah, it goes
right for the jog and he mentioned boxing

1444
01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:33.560
flippantly in that Howard Stern interview.
Hogan puts the dukes up and I swear

1445
01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:38.600
to God starts working the job.
They are yes, he does. He's

1446
01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:42.760
ready. I've never seen Hogan try
to box before. Never, never,

1447
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:48.520
It's it's kind of uncomfortable Stings standing
to fight. Yeah, I guess that's

1448
01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:53.399
the idea. Stings standing at a
distance with Narya Warri that Hogan will reach

1449
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:56.840
him. Hogan and puts up a
hand like wait, and then waves on

1450
01:44:57.039 --> 01:45:00.800
for someone to come in from the
back. And Rick Flare's music hits takes

1451
01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:08.239
no, not that one. It
is. Flaire comes down. We cut

1452
01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:10.920
to Dixie. She's like, come
on, and she gives he knows the

1453
01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:15.079
fixes in again a right exactly,
man, Something's always fixed. Today's screams,

1454
01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:19.840
looks like an immortal curve ball.
Oh Flaire comes out in a full

1455
01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:24.640
suit, ready to fight. I
guess, throws gum at someone along the

1456
01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:28.000
ramp Hogan and they're laughing, and
how you know he's I don't know.

1457
01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:31.520
This is something like brilliant thing like
this is a big fucking dupe, right,

1458
01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:34.239
Like it took a lot of ingenuity. Just you remember, you remember

1459
01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:38.800
Sting beat him two weeks ago,
right, you remember that? And the

1460
01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:41.159
whole notion was that, you know, because Flair suffered the injury in that

1461
01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:44.159
match, that he wouldn't be able
to do what they envisioned for him in

1462
01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:45.600
this Hogan match, which is take
a lot of the bumps and carry a

1463
01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:48.680
lot of the load in terms of
like action. And he really still doesn't,

1464
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:53.239
but he does play a role,
comes down the ramp, all smiling,

1465
01:45:53.880 --> 01:45:56.479
He fucking takes some bumps. He
does. Yeah, but I don't

1466
01:45:56.520 --> 01:45:59.800
think he I don't know. In
my mind's eye, it was like there'd

1467
01:45:59.800 --> 01:46:01.880
be a point Hogan's laid out and
like Sting and Flare basically do like a

1468
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:08.960
ten minute match alone in terms of
like how I originally conceptualized of how Flair's

1469
01:46:09.079 --> 01:46:12.520
role was being reported and how it
was compromised by the shoulder injury. I

1470
01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:15.840
think he did a lot less,
but she does a lot still. Um

1471
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:17.800
he comes down the ramp. Dixie
with her eyes closed for a second.

1472
01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.640
It's has a great scowl. I
gotta give her credit for that. She

1473
01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:30.119
has a great scowl and a nervous
a nervous boss or business owner in her

1474
01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:33.720
companies on the line after all,
Tessa says, if anyone knows Sting,

1475
01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:38.600
it's Flair or his mom. He
says, Dixie looks so panicked and nervous.

1476
01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:43.840
Yes, and now we wrestle.
Now we fight. As Flare's music

1477
01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:48.960
comes down, they lock up and
it's time for some musha husha. That's

1478
01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.439
how I that's how I fight.
I do fight. I like to do

1479
01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:56.760
a collar and elbow tie up,
and then I start off with a side

1480
01:46:56.760 --> 01:46:59.279
headlock. A better way to win
a bar fight, right, that's right,

1481
01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:04.479
so sidehead luck on staning he's cranking
ashah, this is a staying cranking

1482
01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:08.359
on the headlock. Hogan hugs the
waist is Sting cranks. Hogan falls to

1483
01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:12.279
a knee and he gets up push
off tackles. Sting goes down the Hookster

1484
01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:15.520
wins that one, yes, and
then he poses. Oh my god,

1485
01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:19.840
he goes nuts, doesn't He goes
fucking crazy and he hits the deck.

1486
01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:24.079
Hogan takes off the Bandanna, throws
it its Sting and starts holking the fuck

1487
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:29.520
up in Philly, and he's posing
and all the power. It's basically WrestleMania

1488
01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:32.119
eighteen all over again, but just
on a very smaller scale, and the

1489
01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:35.039
crowd, and the crowd fucking loves
it. And then he fucking does a

1490
01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:41.000
cross shop. And the way Hogan's
like bend permanently at the knees with his

1491
01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:44.960
crooked back, He's always like halfway
to a crotch shop anyway, Yeah,

1492
01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:48.479
yeah, And he throws one,
and Sting rips off the yellow shirt.

1493
01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:51.960
He's all pissed at Hogan's showing off
like this. Hogan kicks the gut of

1494
01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:56.600
Sting and throws some right hands,
and Sting is just bouncing brilliantly all over

1495
01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:59.479
the ring. For the hookster.
He really is. I mean, it's

1496
01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:05.720
it's a it's really incredible. And
it doesn't look it doesn't look phony,

1497
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:09.359
no, not at all. It
looks like what a boxer would do if

1498
01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:11.279
he took a shot where he's like
out in his feet and he's trying to

1499
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:15.079
find a place to hide, you
know. So he's ping ponging him around

1500
01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:19.520
the ring as the Hulkster and throwing
some chops and finally drops Sting and then

1501
01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.439
Hogan rakes the boot across the face, puts in a chin lock does the

1502
01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:28.399
Hulkster with his knee in between Sting's
shoulder blades. Dixie a ball of nerves

1503
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:31.840
seated at ringside. They actually shoot
her through the guardrail as the cameraman gets

1504
01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:35.760
inspired. Sting comes up with the
back, elbow and right hands to break

1505
01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:39.199
free. He hits the ropes,
but Hogan cuts him down with a larry

1506
01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:43.039
at Hogan still in control, and
then he crotched chops and that's one time

1507
01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:45.439
too many. He doesn't like he
does well, he doesn't multiple like he's

1508
01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:48.079
fucking xpot. Yeah, he just
loses his mind. It's like you hit

1509
01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:53.600
the joystick and no mercy. Yeah, yes, stop Terry. The first

1510
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:56.119
time is kind of funny, but
now it's like stop it. Yeah,

1511
01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:59.199
dude, no more. How I
realized you think it's cool, you know,

1512
01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:02.520
right, and and you're not cool
enough to get away with it.

1513
01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:04.399
At first, I was willing to
like think, well, maybe he's doing

1514
01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:08.439
it almost ironically, like, you
know, how funny is it that Hulkogan,

1515
01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:10.520
old man Hogan is doing this,
But then he does it a second

1516
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:13.039
time and it's like, no,
Terry, we didn't actually pop because it

1517
01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:16.399
was cool. We pop because it
was kind of and I'm weird, Yeah,

1518
01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:20.560
mocked yourself. So then he kicks
Staying under the bottom rope, Um

1519
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:24.800
pushes him with his foot under the
bottom rope to the floor, sting wabbling

1520
01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.119
out there. He then rolls on
the other side and Hogan clubs him across

1521
01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:30.760
the back, starts staying get your
ass up, Staying, rakes the back

1522
01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:38.000
and stings sells it hitting the rockie
first thing. Another thing I do.

1523
01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:41.600
I always rake the back when I'm
in a fight. Absolutely, it rakes

1524
01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:43.680
the eyes as well, and a
right hand drops sting. He takes a

1525
01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:46.960
nice bump for that. Tess says
that, um, Hulk Coogan doesn't rush

1526
01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:53.800
into anything, um and I'm thinking
yeah, because he can't. And Test

1527
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:56.840
talks about how Hogan always has the
amazing ability in terms of timing and when

1528
01:49:56.880 --> 01:50:00.199
he drills somebody. So they're trying
to you know, build and aura around

1529
01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:02.720
how Hulk Cogan's controlling this match.
And I have to say this about Hulk

1530
01:50:02.720 --> 01:50:05.760
Hogan. It goes even back to
the Hollywood Hogan days in WW. As

1531
01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:11.239
limited as he was physically, especially
as the years went by, and as

1532
01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:15.800
fake as his offense looked compared to
everything else in WCW, it's it's still

1533
01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:19.279
there was still an integrity to a
Hulk Hogan match totally. I mean,

1534
01:50:19.439 --> 01:50:23.720
it's not that he's doing anything spectacular, it's not that he's performing in it

1535
01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:29.159
kind of great feats, but he
finds a way, no matter how unbelievable

1536
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:33.079
his offense looks compared to others,
he does just a little in between things

1537
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:36.840
just well enough that you can buy
that the guy he's hitting is really hurt

1538
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.960
and is really taking a beating,
even if Hogan can't do anything a white

1539
01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:45.319
belt and throw right hands, and
I tell you it's the guy he's against,

1540
01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:49.479
Yes, the guy he does.
He does kind of simple enough stuff

1541
01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:54.840
that no matter who he is against, can sell it really well. Interesting.

1542
01:50:56.760 --> 01:51:00.600
So here he is running the show
here basically at this point, and

1543
01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:11.640
he throws sting to the floor and
Flair springs into action, choking staying with

1544
01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:14.760
the coach, Chops rights and left
in the corner right front of Dixie Carter,

1545
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:18.239
and we get fucking these Kevin dunn
Asque camera zooms whenever there's a chop.

1546
01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:24.079
Do you notice that? I didn't
know interesting? It was very annoying,

1547
01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:29.239
like there's an earthquake or something in
the building, like the voom voom

1548
01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:32.359
type of zooms in and out.
Crad goes nuts with woos Is flair springs

1549
01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:34.880
in action attacking Sting. Hogan comes
down, drops to a knee, and

1550
01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:39.359
low blows Sting. Hogan has to
actually drop to a knee to be able

1551
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:42.680
to punch someone in the nuts.
And it's not like the ref is going

1552
01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:45.560
to do a damn thing to stop
it. No, because it's Bishops kid.

1553
01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:50.800
They say no, and it's a
fight. I think that. Yeah,

1554
01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:55.079
that fan that tapped Dixie's face earlier
gets a dapt from Hogan to the

1555
01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:57.800
front row, I mean, dressed
us like him. Real. There we

1556
01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:00.359
go. As Hogan takes over at
rings side, he throws chops and rights

1557
01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:05.279
against the rail, He bites Sting's
head. Flare passes something quickly to Hogan,

1558
01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:09.840
some kind of object we can't quite
see, steel, rold steel.

1559
01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:13.560
It looks like a tampon to me. It's always rold steel, rold steel.

1560
01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:16.199
And Hogan just stabs him in the
head, staying repeatedly with the object,

1561
01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:20.000
says something like, you tell him, next time he messes with me,

1562
01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:23.359
I'll knock his damn teeth out.
I don't even know who he's talking

1563
01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:26.279
about, but he just blurts that
line out, does the Holkster, Yeah

1564
01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:28.960
hard, rip to the rail and
man to sting take that rail hard,

1565
01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:33.279
really making Hogan look like a fucking
superman. And Hogan keeps stabbing away like

1566
01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:36.800
he's the Sheek and nothing and what
about that a whole Cogan that's later in

1567
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:40.920
life, like the Shek was in
like nineteen seventy eight in Detroit. Just

1568
01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:43.960
gets in the ring, throws five
or stabs someone in the head and it's

1569
01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:46.640
over in like eight minutes. Yeah, just like beating him with weapons and

1570
01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:50.600
shit, but what not even big
weapons. Just like a psychotic Hogan.

1571
01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:54.840
They just starts stabbing people. I
kind of can dig that. Yep.

1572
01:52:55.159 --> 01:52:59.279
Um again, Hogan's here just a
little long in the back. He's overcompensating,

1573
01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:02.520
and it's it's alarming and it's um, yes, it doesn't put me

1574
01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:06.600
in a comfortable place, you know
what, I mean to have him on

1575
01:53:06.680 --> 01:53:14.600
that old like have with long hair, just I don't know. It's very

1576
01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:17.119
uncomfortable. And the ring stings split
open, but you can't really tell because

1577
01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:19.520
he's got red face paint on anyway. But then they take a yeah,

1578
01:53:20.039 --> 01:53:24.239
I know, different angle on it
in the plasma is clear. Hogan drops

1579
01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:26.720
Sting with the right hand. It
does a great little strut for Ric Flair

1580
01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:31.159
does the hookster and right hand blocked, Sting starts firing back the joker paint.

1581
01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:35.039
I have to say, Boss,
I think it makes stings unfortunate hair

1582
01:53:35.159 --> 01:53:39.319
situation work for him when he's got
the Joker gimmick. Yes, yes,

1583
01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:44.439
totally again, you know, every
the joker thing, everything, everything worked

1584
01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.560
better. I was able to not
notice all the things that I normally hate

1585
01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:51.920
about old man Sting. Yes,
he's making it work for him that he

1586
01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:58.159
looks like that, and so that's
in full Effecting unloads on Hogan and drops

1587
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.640
him to the floor and gives him
chase. Ric Flair scoll around trying to

1588
01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:03.119
counteract Stinging, and then Sting re
enters and throws some right hands on Hulk

1589
01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:05.920
Cogan and a big shot drops the
Hogster. You heard it here. First,

1590
01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:11.399
Hogan takes a bump in the bound
for Glory ring. Does he does?

1591
01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:14.199
Is that hardware? Hold up?
I'm here to tell you, yes,

1592
01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:16.399
it does. It does. Indeed, he rolls out to the floor.

1593
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.560
Um. Sting goes after him,
chases Flare right hand drops the nature

1594
01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:25.279
Boy and Flare it's reaching into his
pants. So he's trying to basically like

1595
01:54:25.640 --> 01:54:29.039
reveal an object that Sting is supposed
to take away from him, the cock

1596
01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:31.880
Brother. Yeah, it does create
this weird moment where Flare's lang laying on

1597
01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:35.960
the floor fishing around and his slacks. Ah, so he does snatch it

1598
01:54:36.039 --> 01:54:39.800
from him. Flare tries to alert
Hogan that Sting has the object that I

1599
01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:42.680
was going to pass to you,
but Sting crowns Hogan with it to a

1600
01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:45.720
tepid response. I don't think the
crowd is really really that into Sting beating

1601
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:47.800
the shit out of whole Cogan.
No, I don't think the crowd wants

1602
01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:54.359
to see. Yeah it's yeah,
it's Hogan is so fucking weird, man,

1603
01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:57.800
It's not unlike anybody else. I
mean, I mean, here's the

1604
01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:02.319
thing too. Out of curiosity,
is there a possibility that a lot of

1605
01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:10.079
these fans are not TNA fans and
just heard that Hogan and Staying were wrestlings.

1606
01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:15.520
I think it's I think that's more
likely in TNA than any wrestling organization

1607
01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:19.560
that has ever existed, in terms
of the possibility that someone bought a ticket

1608
01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:24.520
to see who you have on the
card, but otherwise has no idea what

1609
01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:29.720
promotion is presenting the matches, which
is so ironic because every storyline is about

1610
01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:32.760
the company. You watch their television
and you assume the thing their fans care

1611
01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:36.439
the most about is the health and
the story and the lore of the company

1612
01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:41.239
itself. Meanwhile, most of the
people who are buying tickets have no idea

1613
01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:46.119
what TNA even is truly amazing,
so um, I'm probably overstating it,

1614
01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:50.640
but that don't you think that was
a thing missing in like nineteen eighty seven

1615
01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:56.960
leading up to wrestling You throughout why
aren't they talking about branding initiative right exactly?

1616
01:55:57.119 --> 01:56:00.199
And we weren't sure who's who's in
charge of the company, And they're

1617
01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:02.560
talking about the boardroom at the WrestleMania
three press conference with Hogan and Andre you

1618
01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:06.640
know, why are not talking about
um contracts? Why are they not talking

1619
01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:14.239
about struggle struggles for boardroom power and
TV executives Absolutely the network right, Why

1620
01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:20.199
I wasn't the network ever mentioned in
building up WrestleMania three. I just can't

1621
01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:25.279
imagine why they didn't do that.
It's really a missed opportunity. But Sting's

1622
01:56:25.319 --> 01:56:28.079
doing well and the crowd doesn't really
want to see it. And there's another

1623
01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:30.279
shot to the head and Hogan has
chosed. Hogan has color and Philly and

1624
01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:33.880
he takes a big flat back bump
here as well, nice clean flat back

1625
01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:41.600
by the Hulkster. Bloody Sting kicking
away at Hulk Hogan rough rof rough roff

1626
01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:46.319
rough roff. Hogan's cornered Sting or
splash scores on the Holster. Flare gets

1627
01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:48.760
up on the apron and Sting drops
him. Hogan then turns his back to

1628
01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:53.199
Sting in the corner. I cannot
below their eyes, brother, you must

1629
01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:58.159
have really been gimmicked up. Hogan
turns his back on Sting. Another sting

1630
01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:00.880
or splash, this time to the
back. Can sells. Of course the

1631
01:57:00.960 --> 01:57:04.560
lower back is yeah, especially damaged. He kind of he doesn't quite flat

1632
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:08.119
back on this one. It kind
of like rolls off to the side onto

1633
01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:12.239
the mat and then Sting is gonna
hook the scorpion deathlock. Yeah, here

1634
01:57:12.520 --> 01:57:15.880
I got that. I got this
last sequence here for you. Stay splashed

1635
01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:19.279
to the bag of Holgan, who
goes into the corner. He had repaired

1636
01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:29.880
back of whole Cogan multiple surgeries,
attempt at the scorpion. Oh my god,

1637
01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:32.560
step one, he's got the legs
heart, He's gonna make the big

1638
01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:40.359
turn. He's gonna step over.
He's closed. He's the imagine that,

1639
01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:45.319
Oh my god, on Hogan's body, but his back operations, the knee

1640
01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:51.920
replacements, he's come out with the
red brie Son. You don't want to

1641
01:57:51.960 --> 01:58:02.960
say, oh my god. This
whole moment they've been building for eighteen months,

1642
01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:05.920
I guess. And it comes down
to the most interesting thing about it

1643
01:58:06.039 --> 01:58:11.720
is that Garrett Bischoff calls for the
bell. Of course, what a strange

1644
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:15.159
thing to be calling out at this
crescendo moment, and the announcers react like

1645
01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:19.079
really, like this is the I
mean, the moment that we're supposed to

1646
01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:25.239
go completely ecstatic over. Also,
there have been no near falls, yes,

1647
01:58:25.359 --> 01:58:30.039
exactly, There's been no moment where
Garrett Bischoff made a choice to not

1648
01:58:30.439 --> 01:58:36.920
count for staying this is the first
time. It's very odd. Yeah,

1649
01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:41.159
it's it's again, it's just mismanaged. They just have a way of throwing

1650
01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:45.359
a monkey wrench into everything they do, and it's like so stupid. Like

1651
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:47.239
the it's like they get something that's
kind of hot and they like forced two,

1652
01:58:47.439 --> 01:58:50.880
two or three other agendas into it
to put what is this guy doing

1653
01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:53.600
here and what does he have to
do with any of this? Yeah,

1654
01:58:53.680 --> 01:58:56.880
it's not like how Hogan insinuated himself
in every World Champion, you know,

1655
01:58:56.920 --> 01:58:59.279
in twenty and ten, like he
had to have something to do with the

1656
01:58:59.319 --> 01:59:02.159
next guy to win the belt.
It's like why, But it just seemed

1657
01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:05.479
like such an extraneous extra head on
the monster. But yeah, he puts

1658
01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:09.399
a scorpion deathlock on he kind of
sits down on it. He kind of

1659
01:59:09.479 --> 01:59:12.720
does that like over emphasized sit.
You know, it looks like he's like,

1660
01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:15.359
oh oh god, it's so it's
it's it's seven. Maybe the one

1661
01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:18.479
of the worst sharpshooters scorpion deathlocks I've
ever seen. Yeah, you can't just

1662
01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:21.600
as well really wrap up Hulk in
that hold with the state of his back.

1663
01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:24.840
But I was impressed he could even
get this far in terms of there's

1664
01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:28.119
a bit of arch to the back
of the Hulkster in the position he's in,

1665
01:59:28.159 --> 01:59:31.720
and he finally concedes and he's tapping. He taps like ten times before

1666
01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:35.439
Jackson James calls for the bell for
what it's worth and uh, yeah,

1667
01:59:35.479 --> 01:59:41.520
that's it. Um. After that, referee hesitation to finish. Uh kind

1668
01:59:41.560 --> 01:59:45.079
of kind of flat, kind of
a flat finish. You know, the

1669
01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:46.399
people are like, all right,
that's well, I mean, because what

1670
01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:51.079
are you supposed to be again?
There have been no no attempted pinfalls,

1671
01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:57.439
no, no attempts at a win. Yeah, fans are not the really

1672
01:59:57.640 --> 02:00:02.119
conditioned to, you know, act
like you want them to in twenty eleven

1673
02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:05.439
if you haven't given them a couple
of near falls at least, maybe that's

1674
02:00:05.439 --> 02:00:08.920
a sad state of affairs. But
I think this is what happens. I

1675
02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:11.560
mean, you just don't do that. I mean any I think any match

1676
02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:15.239
needs that because because you know,
yeah, part of the match, part

1677
02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:18.600
of the feel of a match is
like not knowing if the guy you want

1678
02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:23.600
to win is going to win,
you know, like you know, being

1679
02:00:23.760 --> 02:00:28.520
fearful or coming close to winning or
whatever, you know, and so if

1680
02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:31.439
you don't have that, I mean, what the fuck. Yeah, But

1681
02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:34.640
the reverse psychology here is those moments
would go to Hogan. You know,

1682
02:00:34.720 --> 02:00:39.600
It's like they want them moments where
Hogan's going to win. That's what they

1683
02:00:39.680 --> 02:00:42.600
want, and they weren't willing to
tease that. But I wonder if that's

1684
02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.439
part of the psychology. Like if
Hogan gets a near fall and Sting kicks

1685
02:00:45.439 --> 02:00:47.560
out, people are gonna start booing
Sting because they want it, hoping to

1686
02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:51.600
take it right there. But if
he sits down on the scorpion, it

1687
02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:57.439
is over and there's like no time
for this monumental moment to sink in whatsoever

1688
02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:00.640
they do. Cut to Dixie Carter, who does a great celebration at ringside.

1689
02:01:00.680 --> 02:01:03.520
She really really sells the significance of
what has happened. But Flair immediately

1690
02:01:03.560 --> 02:01:09.600
pounds on Sting and we're moving on
to another story. That's right. You

1691
02:01:09.680 --> 02:01:12.960
can hear the announcers having to amp
up their excitement, not quite meeting the

1692
02:01:13.039 --> 02:01:16.000
moment, however, and then Eric
Bischoff, Bully, Ray Gunner, Scott

1693
02:01:16.039 --> 02:01:19.520
Steiner from Immortal, they all come
out with steel chairs and they get in

1694
02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:23.760
the ring and start slamming those chairs
in the sting and now we have this

1695
02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:27.000
very weird cutaway where Abiss is just
looking through the curtain but not coming out.

1696
02:01:28.399 --> 02:01:30.760
Never they never mentioned it again.
They hardly even mentioned it on on

1697
02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:33.880
television afterwards. But it's the beginning
of another baby face turn for Abiss here

1698
02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:39.479
because he's I guess, hesitant to
participate in this beatdown and they're going off

1699
02:01:39.520 --> 02:01:43.399
on the Stinger. The unfortunate thing
for t and A about that the angle

1700
02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:45.800
that they shot Abiss from his gives
you like a very clear view of like

1701
02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:49.359
an almost empty upper deck. I
know that they did such a great job

1702
02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:56.680
of hiding yep, but that's that
everyone taking their shots on Sting. Taz

1703
02:01:56.800 --> 02:02:00.720
can't believe that Jackson James called for
the bell, Bishop going to swing a

1704
02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:02.960
chair, and before he can hit
Sting with it, Garrett grabs the chair

1705
02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:05.039
from his father. There's really not
a pop, but he does it,

1706
02:02:05.880 --> 02:02:10.520
and then Bully grabs Garrett Bischoff and
Eric Bischoff smacks his son in the back

1707
02:02:10.560 --> 02:02:15.319
with a steel chair. So just
like that, Eric is now after congratulating

1708
02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:19.920
his son and you know, lavishing
him with praise. Earlier in the broadcast

1709
02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:23.960
when they finally reveal the true nature
of things. Bischof has already turned on

1710
02:02:24.079 --> 02:02:26.960
him. Hogan bleeding all over the
place in the corners. This is all

1711
02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:29.600
going on. He is not participating
in this post match beat down from Sting,

1712
02:02:29.640 --> 02:02:31.760
But oh my god, to us, it's probably because you can't right

1713
02:02:32.359 --> 02:02:34.760
right. I mean, I was
thinking like he's just beat up and stuff.

1714
02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:39.359
He can't fucking do it. Tanaisan
shocked at Bischoff just took out his

1715
02:02:39.439 --> 02:02:45.039
own son and sitting getting staying rather
as getting ping ponged around all these heels,

1716
02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:48.520
everyone taking their shots. And when
Sting hits the mat stomach first,

1717
02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:51.840
he looks up. Yea. He
looks at Hogan in a bloody heap in

1718
02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:56.319
the corner, and he starts shouting
to Hull Hope, help me, help

1719
02:02:56.399 --> 02:02:59.359
me, grabbing his legs, help
me as they grab it Sting and he

1720
02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:03.199
yanked him back and then and then
here I go, I got this.

1721
02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:23.279
I got this for you, I
got this for you, ripping that shirt.

1722
02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:41.760
Hello, going to town help one
stag. I can't believe this,

1723
02:03:43.119 --> 02:03:57.279
Hogan, take it out, Livers
only calling faction staying unit itude. What

1724
02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:08.600
what's going on? Listens should be
a big fuckers like training, this trying

1725
02:04:08.720 --> 02:05:08.960
time that the blind scarce sports on
having sense going along, look shore cowering

1726
02:05:09.039 --> 02:05:20.119
in the corner. I give him
this one. I cannot believe that,

1727
02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:38.399
can't believes. I think I think
Hogan's election. Who can said, I'm

1728
02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:45.479
back. The real Hugan is back
there. It is the real Hull Cogan

1729
02:05:45.640 --> 02:05:48.960
is back. Will the will the
real Hull Cogan please stand up? Would

1730
02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:51.760
that'd be the guy with the immortal
tattooed across the top of his back.

1731
02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:56.640
Oh my god, I mean save
it too well about Hulk, but a

1732
02:05:56.720 --> 02:06:00.800
few wrestlers we've ever seen can get
the reaction, and he does by just

1733
02:06:00.600 --> 02:06:05.520
looking at the crowd, craning your
neck just slightly, and these people went

1734
02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:11.600
insane. Yeah, I would say
that that is probably probably the equivalent of

1735
02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:20.239
Austin returning in Providence to beat up
the Alliance. Interesting parallel the TNA version,

1736
02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:24.319
right, it is high as close
to that as you could expect TENA

1737
02:06:24.359 --> 02:06:26.279
to get. I would say,
as close, yeah, as close to

1738
02:06:26.319 --> 02:06:29.359
that as you can get in TNA. And when he rips that chart,

1739
02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:34.600
it is the whole thing. It
is crowdship us. Yeah, it might

1740
02:06:34.640 --> 02:06:40.279
as well be fucking nineteen eighty five. What do they want? They want

1741
02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:44.399
Hulk Cogan to be able to do
what hul Cogan does. Who's been saying

1742
02:06:44.439 --> 02:06:47.000
that for a fucking four months now, I know, I mean, yeah,

1743
02:06:47.119 --> 02:06:53.479
here's the proof, the second one. That's all they want is Hulk

1744
02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:58.680
Cogan to be Hulk Coogan, And
sadly it's the one thing he really can't

1745
02:06:58.720 --> 02:07:00.479
give on a regular basis, something
the last thing he wants to be.

1746
02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:04.359
It seems like, yeah, it's
it's a moment for the man. It's

1747
02:07:04.399 --> 02:07:08.680
a moment. I would put it
in his in his his career story as

1748
02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:12.199
a moment for sure. Yep.
I'm probably the best, his best t

1749
02:07:12.319 --> 02:07:15.279
and a moment. Yeah, it
just happened. I know it's coming.

1750
02:07:15.319 --> 02:07:18.920
I know where we've been. Nothing
comes close. Yeah, because it's just,

1751
02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:26.800
um, it's just like this mass
realization at all at once that like,

1752
02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:29.479
yeah, actually, you know,
as much as we're sick of him

1753
02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:33.119
and he's been watered down and he
talks forever and it's all this fucking smoke

1754
02:07:33.159 --> 02:07:36.239
and mirror storytelling with this guy,
this is actually Hull Coke and standing before

1755
02:07:36.319 --> 02:07:40.560
us, sure, and they get
that he permission. I've said too that

1756
02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:45.520
there are times where, um,
where again he's been He's been rock solid,

1757
02:07:45.159 --> 02:07:50.079
rock fucking solid in terms of of
of what he's said, what he's

1758
02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:53.960
selling. Yes, you know,
like when he's selling somebody else, he's

1759
02:07:53.960 --> 02:07:58.640
actually really good at it. Agreed. Yep. He knows how to cut

1760
02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:00.960
the promo in the hull coke in
voice to get over the next guy,

1761
02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:03.680
and not every great baby Face can
do that. So that's actually a feather

1762
02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:07.239
in his cap. That's not just
total mistakes. It's not just like everybody

1763
02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:11.359
can do that that becomes a superstar
baby Face. But the guy he does

1764
02:08:11.439 --> 02:08:15.760
it one more time and they're up
for it, and he rips the shirt

1765
02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:20.640
and that's a nuclear pop and insane. As you heard, they cleared the

1766
02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:24.159
ring out, they go face to
face Sting and Hogan. They show Dixie

1767
02:08:24.399 --> 02:08:31.279
practically in tears at rings. She
is glowing. She's like, I can

1768
02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:35.079
imagine the story she's telling herself in
her head about how this is at an

1769
02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:37.680
actual moment, you know what I
mean? Ye ye, all she's done

1770
02:08:37.720 --> 02:08:41.920
to try to build up this company, and all the people who told her

1771
02:08:41.960 --> 02:08:43.399
that she was out of her mind
to pay the kind of dollars it takes

1772
02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:46.920
to get Sting and Hogan in that
ring. And now what she's probably saying

1773
02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:50.720
to herself, we'll see about that. Yeah, I would be saying that

1774
02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:54.840
too. What the fuck comes next? Now? What the real Hulk Hogan

1775
02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:58.159
is back? Well, let's not
get carried away. I don't know about

1776
02:08:58.239 --> 02:09:01.279
real real about Hulk Hogan to begin
with, Sting says to Hogan, I

1777
02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:05.279
want Hulkamania. Sting points to Terry
and does the ear cup like do you

1778
02:09:05.319 --> 02:09:07.399
want to see him do it?
And Sting takes the ropes and Dixie is

1779
02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:15.199
crying and her clasped hands, and
that's the moment. That's that's pretty Yeah,

1780
02:09:16.439 --> 02:09:18.680
they chant Hogan big time. Is
Sting takes the ropes to get them

1781
02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:22.039
on their feet. Hogan extends the
hands and extends his hand and he shakes

1782
02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:26.560
Stings and raises Sting's hand, and
then Jackson James gets in the action and

1783
02:09:26.640 --> 02:09:30.840
raises Hogan's hand as well, and
Dixie turns around and gives okay, okay,

1784
02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:33.000
let's take a moment here to think
about it. Let's see that.

1785
02:09:33.279 --> 02:09:45.600
Let's take a moment here. You
get Sting and Garrett raising Hulk Hogan's hand.

1786
02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:54.720
Hulk Hogan lost Hulk Hogan lost the
match, or did he? But

1787
02:09:56.119 --> 02:10:00.479
Hulk Hogan's hand is the one being
raised. Funny, yeah, because that's

1788
02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:05.279
Hull Cogan. That's Hull Hogan exactly. He sneaks in that visual of triumph

1789
02:10:05.560 --> 02:10:11.560
even when he loses every time,
yep, every time, or at least

1790
02:10:11.600 --> 02:10:16.279
and even the fact where what happens
after this stinging Garrett leave the ring and

1791
02:10:16.399 --> 02:10:26.359
Hulk Hogan's left there tremendous. It's
been a real treat in TNH to realize

1792
02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:30.399
that that part of Hule Cogan didn't
die, because oh yeah, when I

1793
02:10:30.479 --> 02:10:31.119
was thinking back on the teenage run, I was like, you know,

1794
02:10:31.279 --> 02:10:35.159
he kind of does fly the company
flag and kind of just go out there

1795
02:10:35.199 --> 02:10:37.680
and try to get everybody else over. It's not like, you know,

1796
02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:39.680
he's trying to win the boat the
whole time, but it's like, actually,

1797
02:10:41.520 --> 02:10:46.439
actually he is. He's actually never
too far away from having a direct

1798
02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:50.920
televised involvement or behind the scenes obsession
with that title and who's going to hold

1799
02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:54.199
it and who isn't. With that, we jumped to our main event,

1800
02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:58.399
Oh Boy Down for Glory twenty eleven. It's Kurt Angle defending against Bobby rude.

1801
02:10:58.439 --> 02:11:01.159
So we've talked a lot about how
they built him up, how rude.

1802
02:11:01.239 --> 02:11:05.199
You know. We played some clips
last week stepped into the foreground and

1803
02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:09.279
started talking tough to Holkogan, announcing
his independence. And they did a big,

1804
02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:13.800
long series of videos with him talking
to his kids, talking to his

1805
02:11:13.880 --> 02:11:18.039
wife, explaining how he's a family
man, showing him training, explaining how

1806
02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:20.560
for thirteen years he's toiled in the
business, trying to make it, made

1807
02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:24.800
TNA is home and grew with TNA. I believe in the in the video

1808
02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:31.920
it says they talk about thirteen years
of sacrifice. Yes, and I think,

1809
02:11:31.079 --> 02:11:33.960
but Tenna isn't even thirteen years old. How can there be thirteen years

1810
02:11:33.960 --> 02:11:37.560
of sacrifice? In fact, from
what I counted, that last May May

1811
02:11:37.640 --> 02:11:43.880
twenty eleven was the only the seventh
sacrifice. I can't believe that you went

1812
02:11:43.960 --> 02:11:46.840
there because I wrote the exact same
thing down. I mean, not word

1813
02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:48.760
for word, but I wrote,
well, the pay per view hasn't even

1814
02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:54.399
been around that long, thirteen years
of sacrifice. It's like, no,

1815
02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:58.760
man, it must be thinking of
lockdown. They show him coming home with

1816
02:11:58.840 --> 02:12:01.640
the luggage and the kids and dogs
rushing up to him and all that and

1817
02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:05.680
hugging his wife. And he's talking
about two hundred and fifty days a year

1818
02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:07.159
in the road. I don't know
about that. I know he traveled a

1819
02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:11.199
lot, but TENA is not on
the road that much. I was not

1820
02:12:11.399 --> 02:12:15.159
saying, come on, man,
I mean unless you count driving to and

1821
02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:20.039
from the fucking you know. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true.

1822
02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:24.239
One match doesn't mean that's the extent
of the travel. There's two and from

1823
02:12:24.520 --> 02:12:28.079
as well, but to and from
fucking the or you know, Universal Studios.

1824
02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:31.199
Yeah, well he did. He
was one of those guys actually went

1825
02:12:31.239 --> 02:12:33.079
in the road for TENA. So
he was doing the how it shows a

1826
02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:37.880
few how it shows a week.
Um, but this is when Kurt Angle

1827
02:12:37.960 --> 02:12:43.720
was rail thin due to the movie
because he shooting Warrior. He said on

1828
02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:46.039
his podcast, that's why he was
so thin at this point in time.

1829
02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:50.840
Uh huh sure. Um, whatever
you say, pal, you keep telling

1830
02:12:50.880 --> 02:12:54.199
if if that's what it makes you
sleep at night, go ahead, you

1831
02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:56.600
tell yourself that. And in the
pre roll video for this match, you

1832
02:12:56.680 --> 02:12:58.439
know, they're showing all these amazing
feats of athleticism from Kurt Angle and the

1833
02:12:58.479 --> 02:13:03.840
TENA and they include him moonsalting off
the cage against Jeff Jarrett had been completely

1834
02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:09.159
missing. Jeff Jarrett. You imagine
if in your highlight reel it showed you

1835
02:13:09.279 --> 02:13:15.239
backflipping off a fence and landing on
your face for no fucking reason. What's

1836
02:13:15.680 --> 02:13:18.840
that? They have James Storm and
there saying all the nights we rode the

1837
02:13:18.920 --> 02:13:22.479
roads and you were on the phone
with your kids saying they missed their daddy.

1838
02:13:22.560 --> 02:13:26.439
This is what makes it all worth
it. And they closed the video

1839
02:13:26.479 --> 02:13:28.880
with a Bobby chant and him looking
into the camera. This is Cody this

1840
02:13:28.960 --> 02:13:33.960
year at WrestleMania. Better fucking believe
the outcome is the same. Yeah,

1841
02:13:33.399 --> 02:13:39.279
you damn right, motherfucker's because this
business knows how to build up somebody to

1842
02:13:39.399 --> 02:13:45.279
where they are. Nobody builds a
sentimental favorite better than pro wrestling. Yes,

1843
02:13:45.479 --> 02:13:48.079
he understand it, and they know
how to deliver it. But here's

1844
02:13:48.119 --> 02:13:52.039
the thing. When they get to
the building, their Carney instincts kick in

1845
02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:56.840
and they can't have nice things.
They can't have nice things. They have

1846
02:13:56.920 --> 02:14:01.239
to fuck with it, and we
have to be fucked with his wrestling fans

1847
02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:03.800
because that's just the way they are, that's just the way it's meant to

1848
02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:07.800
be. So rude comes out in
the Beer Money song with a T shirt.

1849
02:14:07.640 --> 02:14:11.239
He's from the country, He's from
the city. The music goes front

1850
02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:16.199
Row will sign next World Champ like
Tonay, since it's time to see if

1851
02:14:16.199 --> 02:14:18.640
Bobby Rood's thirteen years of dedication will
pay off. If it is indeed Bobby

1852
02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:22.119
Rud's time, Kurt Ankle comes out. No stubble now, so that makes

1853
02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:26.880
his thinness less alarming, you know, but he had the stubble, looked

1854
02:14:26.880 --> 02:14:30.840
like he was found homeless on skid
row four years after great television. Agreed,

1855
02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:39.960
But he's very Yeah, he's such
a fucking do He looks so unhealthy.

1856
02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:43.359
He's dealing with a torn hamstring coming
into its heavily taped showed injury.

1857
02:14:45.560 --> 02:14:48.479
It's it's fascinating because the degree to
which perhaps Kurt has overplayed the injury is

1858
02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:52.479
the subject of dispute. He certainly
was hurt coming in, but you ask

1859
02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:58.039
yourself, how can he physically walk
if you have a fully torn hamstring as

1860
02:14:58.039 --> 02:15:01.760
he's described later, and perhaps because
it wasn't, but he's he's hurt coming

1861
02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:05.079
in, no question, he's hurt
coming in. That's important context in terms

1862
02:15:05.079 --> 02:15:09.399
of I'll believe it when I say
it our story. Um, he's making

1863
02:15:09.439 --> 02:15:13.680
a stride to the ring referee Brian
Hepner presiding hoists the TNA Heavyweight Championship up

1864
02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:15.760
in the air. Okay, can
I can? I say too? By

1865
02:15:15.760 --> 02:15:18.760
the way, his his tron video
says he is a fifteen time world champions

1866
02:15:20.760 --> 02:15:28.479
Okay. At this time, he
had held four ww titles, one World

1867
02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:39.359
Heavyweight title, one WCW title,
one IWGP title. So that's seven and

1868
02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:43.000
this was his fifth TNA title at
the time. So I count twelve world

1869
02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:50.720
titles. What could that be missing? What? What? What? What

1870
02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:56.760
are we missing? Where are the
three world titles? Very interesting? And

1871
02:15:56.880 --> 02:16:05.840
I'll tell you I thought about it, and I it disturbs me. Don't

1872
02:16:05.880 --> 02:16:11.960
say it that Perhaps they are considering
his world championships in real wrestling, gold

1873
02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:16.479
medals that he won at the Olympics
and at the World Championships. But then

1874
02:16:16.520 --> 02:16:22.680
again, that's only two. The
only other kind of quote quote unquote world

1875
02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:28.520
title that I was able to kind
of find out about Kurt Angel was m

1876
02:16:28.880 --> 02:16:33.760
is it is it PPW in Memphis? Yeah? When they have that's not

1877
02:16:33.840 --> 02:16:35.680
a world title, that's a Memphis
title, right, it doesn't even call

1878
02:16:35.719 --> 02:16:39.040
it They don't even call it a
world title. I mean that you should

1879
02:16:39.040 --> 02:16:43.719
count the interconnittal bell if you're going
to count that, right, So that's

1880
02:16:43.799 --> 02:16:48.040
where I don't. I still again, even if you are going to count

1881
02:16:48.159 --> 02:16:52.040
his legit gold medals, which aren't
really championships per se. Oh that's not

1882
02:16:52.120 --> 02:16:56.760
what anybody thinks and wrest pro wrestling, because they're they're medals. You know,

1883
02:16:56.280 --> 02:17:01.440
they're medals. I don't know where
these championships come from. You know.

1884
02:17:01.600 --> 02:17:03.959
Again, even if they're even if
he counts those two, there's still

1885
02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:07.399
a missing championship that I cannot account
for. Very interesting. I knew that

1886
02:17:07.479 --> 02:17:11.360
to get you. Whenever they show
like a stat like immediately, whenever it

1887
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:15.040
just doesn't make I'm always on it. I'm like, give me, let

1888
02:17:15.079 --> 02:17:16.559
me, let me fucking get the
same fucking vader to the same thing.

1889
02:17:16.600 --> 02:17:22.520
You counting weird titles that aren't like
world titles. We come on, dude,

1890
02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:24.360
he's fucking weird, Like like,
what do you what do you mean

1891
02:17:24.760 --> 02:17:30.399
world? You're not no man?
The c WA title in Germany? Yeah,

1892
02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:37.319
so my mom the Mama Sorrow title
too. Yeah, you counting matt

1893
02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:41.120
one pole in the moat tier.
That's right. So it's made of ventime.

1894
02:17:41.120 --> 02:17:45.280
Bound for Glory twenty eleven. Bobby
Rude versus carn Angle Bobby Chant at

1895
02:17:45.280 --> 02:17:48.280
the opening bell, they lock up
Rude with the side headlock, blocks the

1896
02:17:48.360 --> 02:17:50.479
hip toss to the cross face.
Bobby Rude is using the Crippla cross face

1897
02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:56.440
as a submission finisher at the time. That's very, very offensive as a

1898
02:17:56.479 --> 02:18:00.920
Canadian too, right, dude,
Come on, man, I want to

1899
02:18:00.959 --> 02:18:07.719
reclaim the hold me too. Angle
scrambles and gets to the ropes um important.

1900
02:18:07.760 --> 02:18:11.079
Remember they built the whole you know, Bound for Glory Series tournament around

1901
02:18:11.120 --> 02:18:16.920
Bobby Rude. Eventually we're racking up
enough winds that he qualified for this title

1902
02:18:16.959 --> 02:18:18.200
shot. So this is a multi
month story they put together here for this

1903
02:18:18.319 --> 02:18:22.360
guy. Tas calls out the quad
injury of what calls it a quad injury

1904
02:18:22.399 --> 02:18:26.840
of Kurt Angle. So I guess
here's my question. Why are you surprised

1905
02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:28.239
that doesn't go the way that everyone
wants it to go. I know,

1906
02:18:30.639 --> 02:18:33.760
slight pull of the groin. Actually, Taz says if Bobby Kurt Angle's injury,

1907
02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:41.440
saying that it was training for this
contest. That's one thing I do

1908
02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:46.479
know about Kurtenger. He does overtrain, Angle takes over with a kick almost

1909
02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:52.280
to the groin and then does a
snapsuplex working him over task. Na,

1910
02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:58.360
what it's a nice nice snapsup please, it's Kurt angle for big fan.

1911
02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:01.840
I know. Doesn't getting better than
that. And this allows Taz to say

1912
02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:07.200
things like clasp your palms together,
yes, yes, that grip? Oh

1913
02:19:07.319 --> 02:19:11.959
oh, can I tell you here? He has this fucking uh you know

1914
02:19:11.040 --> 02:19:13.959
what do you call it? A
waist lock? Does Kurt angle on?

1915
02:19:15.280 --> 02:19:18.479
Rude? And I want to tell
you something. I'm going to play this

1916
02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:20.639
for you. But in this next
clip that I'm going to play you,

1917
02:19:20.799 --> 02:19:28.680
Taz says grip four times, leading
to Nay to say it twice. Okay,

1918
02:19:28.040 --> 02:19:33.399
listen, listen. It is credible. Right back there, you go

1919
02:19:33.639 --> 02:19:37.840
right back to that reverse gup ranch
or reverse badhog whatever, and see that

1920
02:19:37.959 --> 02:19:43.840
under an over grip right there.
That's a tremendous one too. We can

1921
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:46.639
get a shot of Kurt's hands that
type of grip three where all your power

1922
02:19:46.799 --> 02:19:52.680
is instead of clasping your fingers,
you clash your palms together and squeeze your

1923
02:19:52.719 --> 02:20:01.120
thumbs together and that grip is tight. Or you back up to his feet

1924
02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:05.399
reels off the elbows to the side
of the hand angle to break that grip.

1925
02:20:07.000 --> 02:20:09.840
Now it comes back the serious right
and it goes to the close quick

1926
02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:13.520
not only duck the clothes life.
It goes from behind, it catches rude,

1927
02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:18.680
it connects with soup plex one,
still maintaining the grip. Sex fucking

1928
02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:22.479
hell. That's I mean, it
was gripping commentary town guys, Let me

1929
02:20:22.600 --> 02:20:28.799
tell you six uses of the word
grip in forty five seconds. So this

1930
02:20:28.959 --> 02:20:33.520
is the math here. Okay,
the word grip in that clip was spoken

1931
02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:39.159
on an average of less than every
eight seconds. Wow, that's a lot

1932
02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:45.399
of grippage, a lot of grip
on fucking uh language. And Tad's going

1933
02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:50.159
absolutely overboard about how Kurt brings his
elbows in when he does the germ grip,

1934
02:20:50.559 --> 02:20:56.239
and that even fucking emphasizes it at
one point. Grip. Yeah,

1935
02:20:56.280 --> 02:20:58.200
did you know that Kurt brings his
elbows closer to his body to bring more

1936
02:20:58.239 --> 02:21:01.719
explosiveness his hips? I did?
Did you not not to stand? I

1937
02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:05.360
know? Totally, big fan.
And then he angled climbs to the top

1938
02:21:05.399 --> 02:21:07.879
because you know what, the man, what does he tell himself when he

1939
02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:11.079
wakes up in the morning, if
I don't do what I might as well

1940
02:21:11.120 --> 02:21:16.239
be dead sacrifice. That's correct,
and it's a shame because no one told

1941
02:21:16.280 --> 02:21:18.479
him that it happened in May.
So he clamps the ropes like he's gonna

1942
02:21:18.479 --> 02:21:22.479
do a moon salt. Bobby Rude
runs the ropes, says the walk up

1943
02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:26.120
and toss his Kurt with a German
Kurt basically sells it by moon salting on

1944
02:21:26.239 --> 02:21:30.719
his fucking head and shoulders. Oh, I'll tell you that was a horrifying

1945
02:21:31.360 --> 02:21:37.799
I was nervous totally because that looks
rough. I mean fortunately like it looked

1946
02:21:37.799 --> 02:21:39.959
like he landed on the top of
his head. But then they showed the

1947
02:21:39.000 --> 02:21:46.959
replay and you could tell he kind
of he tilted his head slightly so that

1948
02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:50.959
it looked like he kind of landed
more on his shoulder. But it was

1949
02:21:52.000 --> 02:21:54.520
still a close call. I wanted
to think about something, Boss, I

1950
02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:58.559
wanted to think about how anxiety provoking
it was just to take a body slam

1951
02:21:58.600 --> 02:22:03.040
at Renaissance rumble. Oh yeah,
and can you imagine, with your back

1952
02:22:03.079 --> 02:22:05.200
to the ropes on the top,
some guy runs up behind you German suplex

1953
02:22:05.239 --> 02:22:09.879
you and you have to back and
land in the mat just blindly flip your

1954
02:22:09.920 --> 02:22:13.760
body and just crash into the canvas. No, I can't imagine. I

1955
02:22:13.799 --> 02:22:18.040
mean, you know, it kind
of takes me back to the Olympics,

1956
02:22:18.639 --> 02:22:24.319
the last Summer Olympics, when when
Simone Biles like she just suddenly couldn't do

1957
02:22:24.399 --> 02:22:28.040
it. You know, you have
to have that that mentality that you can

1958
02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:31.040
just you know, you gotta kind
of let go. But then if you

1959
02:22:31.159 --> 02:22:35.959
get in your head like that,
I don't know how anyone can do that

1960
02:22:35.600 --> 02:22:41.920
as as a as a wrestler.
You know, once you if you get

1961
02:22:41.000 --> 02:22:46.639
in your head over something, you're
done. I mean, and to have

1962
02:22:46.799 --> 02:22:50.840
that bad wheel to not be able
to push off of that's probably accounting for

1963
02:22:50.879 --> 02:22:52.000
it. I'm sure he didn't intend
to fall on his shoulder. I'm sure

1964
02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:56.559
he intended to fall on his stomach
flat. But yeah, like he does

1965
02:22:56.680 --> 02:23:00.559
normally. But oh man, it
is just a death wish lunch for Angle,

1966
02:23:01.079 --> 02:23:01.879
it really is. I mean,
yeah, at this point, just

1967
02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:05.879
bring a canon to ringside and shoot
him out of it. Honestly, yes,

1968
02:23:05.319 --> 02:23:11.479
seriously, and motherfucker. And of
course Angle just gets right back up

1969
02:23:11.479 --> 02:23:13.360
and starts slugging away a moment later, because it's not like we sell something

1970
02:23:13.479 --> 02:23:18.920
like that Rude rallies with Larry It's
hits the buff blockbuster for two. Angle

1971
02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:22.440
then captures him of an overhead release
suplex for two, then a DDT and

1972
02:23:22.559 --> 02:23:26.360
Bobby Rude sells the DDT we need
by spiking himself directly up in the air

1973
02:23:26.920 --> 02:23:31.520
and that gets to angle slam.
No. Actually, Rude lands on his

1974
02:23:31.600 --> 02:23:35.479
feet and spine busts Curt angle for
two. Get it all sense to me?

1975
02:23:35.639 --> 02:23:39.520
Getting him undripleates radar, Angle climbs
the top rope as Rude tries to

1976
02:23:39.559 --> 02:23:43.639
climb and tosses him with a billy
to billy release superplex. That's good for

1977
02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:46.600
two for the champion. Rude then
explodes into the crossface once again, locks

1978
02:23:46.639 --> 02:23:52.239
it on Tenais's arm seized, which
is a good yes, and then tasas

1979
02:23:52.280 --> 02:23:56.559
cross face in deep deep deep angle
deep. Fine, you want to go?

1980
02:23:56.639 --> 02:24:01.479
You want to go here, boss
one. When curtis trapped in the

1981
02:24:01.520 --> 02:24:05.719
cross face, does he or does
he not locate an ankle? I mean,

1982
02:24:05.879 --> 02:24:13.000
come on, okay, this is
this whole, this whole moment,

1983
02:24:13.239 --> 02:24:16.000
this whole like I don't want to
use the word sequence, but I'm gonna

1984
02:24:16.079 --> 02:24:26.520
use the word sequence of a mess. Cross face by rouge Angle. This

1985
02:24:26.760 --> 02:24:41.440
fucking guy clutches an ankle, rolls
through Post's leg. Okay, then he

1986
02:24:41.600 --> 02:24:46.000
just emerges with his ankle. I'll
tie it up. He just exactly,

1987
02:24:46.079 --> 02:24:56.319
he just fucking It's like he's birthed
like fucking aphrodite, you know. And

1988
02:24:56.440 --> 02:25:00.040
of course what's key is he said
rolls through. That's yes, that's we

1989
02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:05.479
say good wrestling because it and you
know what, it doesn't stop there because

1990
02:25:05.559 --> 02:25:11.959
now Rude decides it is his turn
to roll through and go back to the

1991
02:25:13.040 --> 02:25:16.319
cross face. It's christ taking to
give me a heart attack this guy.

1992
02:25:16.360 --> 02:25:20.000
Because we're talking, we're talking,
you know, we're talking about desire,

1993
02:25:20.879 --> 02:25:28.239
we're talking about work rate, we're
talking about ring presence. Okay. Then,

1994
02:25:28.879 --> 02:25:39.639
as if we didn't roll enough an
awareness, Angle rolls through again,

1995
02:25:39.920 --> 02:25:52.680
but goes for pin. Cradles cradles
for pin. Okay, then kick out

1996
02:25:52.040 --> 02:25:58.479
both men up. Rude goes back
to the cross Hale comes up swinging and

1997
02:25:58.559 --> 02:26:03.959
Rude snatches him in it again.
Snatchism back to the crossface. Angle rolls

1998
02:26:05.040 --> 02:26:09.319
through again. Awkwards he backflips,
yeah, to a vertical base. And

1999
02:26:09.399 --> 02:26:11.440
what do you know when you do
that, when you backflip to your feet

2000
02:26:11.440 --> 02:26:15.719
with a guy having the crossface on
you. Where do you end up?

2001
02:26:15.799 --> 02:26:18.559
Fucking hell? Perfect position for an
angle slam eggs right, and you do

2002
02:26:18.719 --> 02:26:24.200
that and you get to business is
about chaining together submissions and rolling through.

2003
02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:30.079
It's exactly it's about. It's about
and it's about post, it's about it's

2004
02:26:30.079 --> 02:26:33.479
about torque, and it's about roll
through. And that's exactly what angle does.

2005
02:26:33.520 --> 02:26:37.840
And it's good for two. And
it goes back to the angle and

2006
02:26:37.360 --> 02:26:41.719
then Bobby Rude rolls forward again and
kicks off and it catches a charging kren

2007
02:26:41.719 --> 02:26:46.159
angle with a big spinebuster and a
fisherman's supplex from Bobby Rude. That's good

2008
02:26:46.159 --> 02:26:48.760
for two. And the sad thing
about this whole thing is that the crowd

2009
02:26:48.959 --> 02:26:52.600
is pretty much dead. Yeah.
I don't know. I feel like they're

2010
02:26:52.639 --> 02:26:56.360
with it. Well, I didn't
feel like it to me. They weren't

2011
02:26:56.399 --> 02:27:01.000
reacting like you do like I've heard
I've heard people react to sequences like this.

2012
02:27:01.200 --> 02:27:05.520
Did you listen with headphones in or
your computer speakers? I listened headphones

2013
02:27:05.559 --> 02:27:09.840
in. Kay, Yeah, I
did feel like on this show, this

2014
02:27:09.959 --> 02:27:13.719
broadcast in general, even the Hogan
moments, there's still too much of a

2015
02:27:13.799 --> 02:27:16.920
distance from the crowd noise. Even
when you can tell visually they're going nuts

2016
02:27:16.959 --> 02:27:20.719
and you can hear it, it
just doesn't sound as loud on the TV

2017
02:27:20.879 --> 02:27:24.159
as it looks like it should sound. Sure, I hate that about wrestling

2018
02:27:24.200 --> 02:27:26.639
because I'm always trying to gauge whether
people are getting excited about something, and

2019
02:27:26.719 --> 02:27:30.680
I can't, you know what I
mean if if the audio levels aren't consistent.

2020
02:27:31.319 --> 02:27:33.600
Totally, I totally understand. I've
had moments, you know, in

2021
02:27:33.639 --> 02:27:35.840
my life where I bought a new
TV and for some reason, you know,

2022
02:27:35.879 --> 02:27:37.879
you know, TVs can emphasize sound
differently. Yes, it's such a

2023
02:27:37.959 --> 02:27:43.799
fucking nightmare, it really is.
I've become accustomed to processing what's working and

2024
02:27:43.879 --> 02:27:46.600
not in wrestling based on like how
a TV presents sound to me, and

2025
02:27:46.639 --> 02:27:50.479
then when they switch it out.
But what's missing here? Rely, it's

2026
02:27:50.520 --> 02:27:54.040
this really a cold show? Like
what's going on here? Their dish mee

2027
02:27:54.120 --> 02:27:56.799
TV is optimized for wrestling crowd noise. Honestly, I know they really should.

2028
02:27:58.159 --> 02:28:01.159
They really should. So I don't
know one cares, but that you

2029
02:28:01.239 --> 02:28:05.799
really should gets the one two off
The Fisherman's suplex seemed like a very good

2030
02:28:05.840 --> 02:28:09.680
near fall and This is where let's
go Angle, and let's go Bobby Chance

2031
02:28:09.799 --> 02:28:13.120
kind of start alternating. Angle picks
the ankle again, roll forward cradle one

2032
02:28:13.200 --> 02:28:18.239
two and backup angle slam. No
No. As he goes to angle slam,

2033
02:28:18.319 --> 02:28:22.079
Bobby counters with that luch best counter
in the world does to the angle

2034
02:28:22.120 --> 02:28:26.760
slam. Angle then charges to try
to close the distance, runs into a

2035
02:28:26.840 --> 02:28:31.440
back elbow from Bobby Root. Another
blockbuster neckbreaker, and then he pulls Kern.

2036
02:28:31.440 --> 02:28:35.440
Angle does pulls Hebner in front of
him, and when Hebner breaks free

2037
02:28:35.479 --> 02:28:39.719
and is distracted, Kern Angle kits
Bobby Root squarely in the nuts. Of

2038
02:28:39.840 --> 02:28:43.159
course you do. You got to
do that, and then he angle slams

2039
02:28:43.239 --> 02:28:46.520
him and you think that's it.
One two not enough. No, Bobby

2040
02:28:46.600 --> 02:28:50.200
kicks out Angle with the German suplex. Root explodes out of another attempt with

2041
02:28:50.239 --> 02:28:54.639
a cross faces cranking cranking close up
shot shows Angle's head not held tightly at

2042
02:28:54.680 --> 02:28:58.159
all, though it's moving around in
those arms anyway. He gets to the

2043
02:28:58.239 --> 02:29:01.840
rope nice Angle that you know.
It's cool because what they do is they

2044
02:29:01.920 --> 02:29:05.399
have Rude's forearm in the crossface blind
Kurt Angle, so he's actually reaching around

2045
02:29:05.399 --> 02:29:09.440
as if in the dark. Yes, it's a it's a it's a good

2046
02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:11.120
moment, doesn't he doesn't touch the
rope. His hand just ends up under

2047
02:29:11.159 --> 02:29:15.600
the rope, and they talk about
breaking the plane and mark out over the

2048
02:29:15.639 --> 02:29:18.799
opportunity to use that phrase in a
pro wrestling match. And finally, um,

2049
02:29:20.280 --> 02:29:22.200
you know, of course Tene chucks
that up to Angle, knowing the

2050
02:29:22.280 --> 02:29:26.399
ring so well. Corner corner,
hars, ship is reversed. Rude fires

2051
02:29:26.399 --> 02:29:28.079
out of the corner if you're hitting
the buckle and is going to charge an

2052
02:29:28.079 --> 02:29:31.760
Angle. But Angle spears, I
repeat, Kurt angle with the spear.

2053
02:29:33.239 --> 02:29:35.719
I mean, okay, where what
the fuck aren't you ever seen Kurt angle

2054
02:29:35.799 --> 02:29:43.360
spear before? That's good for two
and it's just insane. We're just keep

2055
02:29:43.440 --> 02:29:45.840
just doing it, pulling out all
the ship. Well, why don't we

2056
02:29:45.879 --> 02:29:46.680
do one? Why don't I do
one better? If I can't walk and

2057
02:29:46.799 --> 02:29:50.440
have a torn hammy, why don't
I jump off the top rope and land

2058
02:29:50.479 --> 02:29:52.520
on my feet? Because that's exactly
what Kurt Angle does here. He jumps,

2059
02:29:52.719 --> 02:29:54.680
he comes off the top, he
lands on his feet, and Rude

2060
02:29:54.680 --> 02:29:58.600
immediately pulled him down into another cross
face. And this feels like the finish.

2061
02:29:58.840 --> 02:30:01.000
He's correct, you're acting this fucking
guy like, you know, like

2062
02:30:01.159 --> 02:30:07.360
he like he understands what pain is. He doesn't exactly cranking. He's cranking.

2063
02:30:07.399 --> 02:30:11.920
Then Angle rolls through back up angle
slam, no go behind by Bobby

2064
02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:16.479
Rude, Fisherman suplex attempt No,
Angle lands on his feet and scores within

2065
02:30:16.520 --> 02:30:22.639
another Olympic slam. Yes it's one, it's two, and it's three.

2066
02:30:22.920 --> 02:30:26.319
Mm oh god, what a weird
count man. Yeah. Even Brian Heber

2067
02:30:26.399 --> 02:30:28.920
couldn't believe it was the finish because
he held up between two and three.

2068
02:30:30.719 --> 02:30:33.639
He did. It was really awkward, like a ref would do if he

2069
02:30:33.680 --> 02:30:37.239
doesn't think it's the actual finish.
Right. I don't know. Maybe it's

2070
02:30:37.239 --> 02:30:41.159
Hogan Nick Patrick subtriviewze here, but
whatever it is, Kurt grabs the middle

2071
02:30:41.239 --> 02:30:43.959
rope and the refere he doesn't even
see it for leverage. And further,

2072
02:30:43.120 --> 02:30:46.639
Bobby Rude's arm is clearly under the
bottom rope and Brian Hebner doesn't stall as

2073
02:30:46.680 --> 02:30:54.840
well. Dude, brother, what
I mean? I can only thank Brian

2074
02:30:54.920 --> 02:30:58.040
Hebner hesitated to slap three because it
was so ludicrous that the match was ending

2075
02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:01.760
up this way. That is,
I agree his brain couldn't possibly process this

2076
02:31:01.879 --> 02:31:09.360
being the finish. Yeah, Kurt
Angele retains the Teenage World Heavyweight Championship,

2077
02:31:09.360 --> 02:31:13.959
defeating Bobby rud in the main event
of Bound for Glory twenty eleven. Crowd's

2078
02:31:13.000 --> 02:31:18.159
like, okay, so much for
caring. I know some reason Hebner doesn't

2079
02:31:18.200 --> 02:31:20.440
acts with his arms. I don't
know what that was supposed to be about.

2080
02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:24.120
And the replay shows Rude's arm clearly
under the rope. It hedn't blowing

2081
02:31:24.159 --> 02:31:28.920
the count. Rude just sits there, just like Cody Rhodes at WrestleMania this

2082
02:31:28.079 --> 02:31:33.079
year. Just a bitch, right
exactly because you can say all you want

2083
02:31:33.159 --> 02:31:37.159
and we'll get to it about how
the guy eventually win the title, and

2084
02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:39.879
let this be instructive about Cody Rhodes
this year as well. It doesn't matter

2085
02:31:41.000 --> 02:31:43.159
a bus, it doesn't matter he
didn't get it back anyway. It's the

2086
02:31:43.159 --> 02:31:46.799
beginning of a story now, No, it's it's a matter of when.

2087
02:31:46.959 --> 02:31:50.920
It's a matter about the timing all
of it. You can't you can't fucking

2088
02:31:52.399 --> 02:31:56.479
sit there and act like it doesn't
matter, as it absolutely does. You

2089
02:31:56.639 --> 02:32:03.520
see the wrestler as a loser for
the first time in such ship stark way,

2090
02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:09.040
and that is it takes years to
wear that off. And from then

2091
02:32:09.120 --> 02:32:11.559
on, that's all he is is
a loser. And for the company to

2092
02:32:11.639 --> 02:32:15.360
pretend that they don't know that,
for Trip lh to go in the press

2093
02:32:15.399 --> 02:32:18.799
conference after WrestleManias, you know,
intent his fingers on the table and go

2094
02:32:18.920 --> 02:32:22.200
get story. Guess shut the fuck
up, Trips. You know what the

2095
02:32:22.280 --> 02:32:24.840
thing did? You know? What
the right thing to do was guess what?

2096
02:32:26.079 --> 02:32:33.280
Cody Rhodes is a loser? Done
done in that you allowed yourself to

2097
02:32:33.399 --> 02:32:37.559
see him as potentially reaching a certain
level and gaining a certain stature. And

2098
02:32:37.719 --> 02:32:39.879
now you're left to think, what
the fuck did I ever see him at

2099
02:32:39.920 --> 02:32:41.479
that level? For? And now? And now what you can do.

2100
02:32:41.639 --> 02:32:46.479
The next thing you can do,
and please do a bus is get him

2101
02:32:46.479 --> 02:32:50.280
an apartment with fucking Lex Luger.
Thank you, that's what he is.

2102
02:32:50.520 --> 02:32:56.600
Thank you? All right, Bobby
Rude, Lex Luger, Bobby Rude,

2103
02:32:56.840 --> 02:33:00.280
meet Lex Luger, and here's your
other room. Inate Cody Rhodes, Yes,

2104
02:33:01.799 --> 02:33:07.879
accept it, breathe it in and
then understand that this is where you

2105
02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:20.559
belong. Thank you, fuckers,
idiots, losers From the Observer Nearly six

2106
02:33:20.639 --> 02:33:24.120
months back, TENA made the basic
plans for the Bound for Glory pay per

2107
02:33:24.200 --> 02:33:28.879
view. Sting was going to beat
Hulk Coogan to give Dixie Carter back control

2108
02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:31.079
of the company. Hogan was then
going to turn face and become the old

2109
02:33:31.120 --> 02:33:35.959
Hulk Coogan and feud with Eric Bischoff. Bobby Rude was going to win the

2110
02:33:35.000 --> 02:33:39.600
Bound for Glory Series tournament to give
him momentum and then beat Kern Angel to

2111
02:33:39.639 --> 02:33:41.440
win the TNA heavyweight title, and
Velvet Sky was going to go on a

2112
02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:46.840
quest for the Knockouts title that she
had never won and win it. Almost

2113
02:33:46.879 --> 02:33:50.680
everything happened his planned from the start. This is such a mean thing to

2114
02:33:50.760 --> 02:34:01.040
say, and I mean, I
do mean it invies it does. Was

2115
02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.799
Velvet Sky ever a porn star?
No, because she looks like a porn

2116
02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:09.159
star, know what you mean.
She can tell she came from like the

2117
02:34:09.280 --> 02:34:15.040
thin eyebrows late nineties kind of like
yeah, she she has like um,

2118
02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:20.239
she she kind of has the look
of the Valets and XPW who who did

2119
02:34:20.280 --> 02:34:26.120
porn as well. And I don't
mean to be derogatory and saying that she's

2120
02:34:26.159 --> 02:34:30.879
like a certain esthetic, a certain
combination of like color of makeup and and

2121
02:34:31.120 --> 02:34:35.239
like her the way she has those
those cleavage, those streaks and her tits,

2122
02:34:35.399 --> 02:34:37.319
like the whole thing, like they're
there are a lot of it.

2123
02:34:37.360 --> 02:34:41.040
I'm like sitting there like I feel
like she's a porn star. Yeah,

2124
02:34:41.239 --> 02:34:43.559
that that's kind of kind of what
they were after. Maybe I don't know,

2125
02:34:43.840 --> 02:34:46.399
maybe when Russa was write and forget
about it. I mean, every

2126
02:34:46.520 --> 02:34:50.280
every woman's a porn staring I know, right, everyone every woman is a

2127
02:34:50.319 --> 02:34:54.120
slut and a woman. You know, no woman had can actually be respectable,

2128
02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:58.079
not really, no, because you
know, every woman uses sex to

2129
02:34:58.120 --> 02:35:01.000
get what they want, right,
and every woman because because every woman who

2130
02:35:01.040 --> 02:35:07.399
ever said no yes to fucking Vince
Russo was going to get theirs. That's

2131
02:35:07.479 --> 02:35:11.559
the that's the read. It's been
out there for years. Build that case.

2132
02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:18.000
So, as Meltzer wrote, almost
everything happened is planned from the start,

2133
02:35:18.079 --> 02:35:24.239
with one very notable exception. MM
are you ready? Oh boy,

2134
02:35:24.319 --> 02:35:28.280
please tell me? Please please please
please please please please. Hulk Hogan at

2135
02:35:28.280 --> 02:35:31.840
the last minute came in and decided
against Rude winning the title TNH. The

2136
02:35:31.920 --> 02:35:35.479
original plan was for Rude to win
the title and built to a Rude versus

2137
02:35:35.520 --> 02:35:37.520
James Storm program down the line.
Instead, Curt Angle pin Rude in a

2138
02:35:37.559 --> 02:35:41.639
flat finish holding the ropes, and
two days later Storm pinned the injured Angle

2139
02:35:41.680 --> 02:35:43.479
in a minute at the Impact tapings
in Orlando to take the title. Well,

2140
02:35:43.559 --> 02:35:46.440
nothing was overt was done. They
are still headed in the same direction.

2141
02:35:48.040 --> 02:35:56.159
So what okay is there? Please? I know that there's not going

2142
02:35:56.239 --> 02:36:00.639
to be, but is there any
kind of explanation, like a journey kind

2143
02:36:00.680 --> 02:36:05.520
of furthering of this or what.
It was noted regarding the decision making that

2144
02:36:05.639 --> 02:36:09.920
going with Angele over Rude was purely
a Hogan call, and it was noted,

2145
02:36:09.959 --> 02:36:13.440
no matter what why, is in
what position and what has said publicly

2146
02:36:13.440 --> 02:36:16.559
about Bruce Prichard, Vince Russou or
even Dixie Carter, that the major decisions

2147
02:36:16.559 --> 02:36:20.479
are all Hogan and Eric Bischoff on
this one. When Hogan made the call,

2148
02:36:20.600 --> 02:36:22.840
even the most almost nobody agreed with
it. That key people didn't even

2149
02:36:22.920 --> 02:36:26.920
try to put up a fight.
There was a lot of unhappiness among the

2150
02:36:26.000 --> 02:36:28.959
wrestlers because Rude was seen as an
original with TNA, and it was felt

2151
02:36:28.959 --> 02:36:31.600
the TV had given him some momentum
for a launch point of something different.

2152
02:36:31.959 --> 02:36:35.319
But even if he won, there
would be nothing different, but a lot

2153
02:36:35.319 --> 02:36:37.959
of unhappiness was more based on it
being done at the last minute and perhaps

2154
02:36:39.040 --> 02:36:41.760
the reasons or lack of reasons why, particularly because the word was that Hogan

2155
02:36:41.799 --> 02:36:48.280
said he felt Rude wasn't the right
guy. Hogan had done a radio interview

2156
02:36:48.760 --> 02:36:52.760
a few days earlier outright saying Rude
wasn't the guy. I'll give you a

2157
02:36:52.799 --> 02:36:56.280
guess what shot that was on?
Boss, wasn't that was gonna be?

2158
02:36:58.399 --> 02:37:20.840
How excellent? Let's go instead of
playing Bubba the love Sponge. Let's play

2159
02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:26.399
Bubba Love Sponge is translated in Hindi. It's a great athlete in the NJ

2160
02:37:26.520 --> 02:37:28.319
styles who was popular among the wrestlers
because he's hard working, was given a

2161
02:37:28.399 --> 02:37:31.719
chance and nobody reacted or cared while
pushing Jeff Hardy as a guy who has

2162
02:37:31.719 --> 02:37:37.520
it and also wrestling doesn't matter,
dude. So thanks to the Observer,

2163
02:37:37.719 --> 02:37:43.799
he's got the exact quote from Hogan
when he went on the Bubba Show ahead

2164
02:37:43.840 --> 02:37:48.079
of Bound for Glory and said,
boys, and I'm sure he's working,

2165
02:37:48.159 --> 02:37:56.799
oh boy. Hogan was on Serious
Radio before the pay per view and down

2166
02:37:58.000 --> 02:38:01.000
the idea of Bobby Rood is the
top guy. Now, I'm not Bruno.

2167
02:38:01.079 --> 02:38:01.959
Brother, He's not ready, dude. He's not the next guy.

2168
02:38:03.479 --> 02:38:05.000
You know, they might think he
is, or Dixie Carter might think he

2169
02:38:05.159 --> 02:38:09.479
is. The whole world might think
he is. He's just not the next

2170
02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:13.760
guy. If I had to betting
money anybody, and really be serious about

2171
02:38:13.840 --> 02:38:18.559
betting money anybody, I'd say Jeff
Hardy is the next guy. Kept Terry

2172
02:38:18.719 --> 02:38:24.200
Jesus christ Man. This is much
more than being a wrestler. This is

2173
02:38:24.360 --> 02:38:28.559
crossing barriers. You know, media's
media barriers and entertainment barriers of all kind.

2174
02:38:28.959 --> 02:38:33.479
You're getting your character down verbally has
ninety percent to do with getting over.

2175
02:38:35.799 --> 02:38:37.479
He was more positive on James Storm, saying, you know, I'd

2176
02:38:37.479 --> 02:38:43.040
go with James Storm all day long. You know, mainstream brother, cowboy

2177
02:38:43.120 --> 02:38:46.639
hat, beer drinking, Middle America, Nascar, Walmart, Country Western,

2178
02:38:46.719 --> 02:38:50.520
I mean, all day long.
It's a no brainer. You know,

2179
02:38:50.600 --> 02:38:54.040
Bobby Rood's a tremendous athlete. I
could you know I would change. I'd

2180
02:38:54.079 --> 02:38:58.920
built him from Venice Beach, California, or Omahana, Braska instead of Canada.

2181
02:39:00.479 --> 02:39:03.799
I love him to death. He
said he thinks Rude would be a

2182
02:39:03.879 --> 02:39:07.719
great heel, but he'd choose Storm
over Rude. Regarding aj Styles, he

2183
02:39:07.799 --> 02:39:09.559
said, they pushed him really hard
and they thought it would get him over,

2184
02:39:09.719 --> 02:39:13.360
and you know, nobody responded to
it, so I don't know.

2185
02:39:13.479 --> 02:39:16.040
At this point, Styles would go
on to write frustration setting in when your

2186
02:39:16.079 --> 02:39:20.000
own guys bury the company that you
have worked so hard for. Brother,

2187
02:39:20.120 --> 02:39:24.479
So it's going well, Brother,
the decision was well received, and what

2188
02:39:24.799 --> 02:39:30.920
a fucking douche. Hogan puts his
thumb on the scale. Well, brother,

2189
02:39:31.000 --> 02:39:33.360
you know I got my I got, I got, you know,

2190
02:39:33.239 --> 02:39:39.399
my thumb on the pulse, Brother, pulse of reality? Dude, where

2191
02:39:39.440 --> 02:39:43.680
we're going, brother, what we're
doing? Who we are? I think

2192
02:39:43.719 --> 02:39:48.959
the new sting isn't tan that that
James story. I guess Bobby Rude doesn't

2193
02:39:48.040 --> 02:39:56.159
remind Hull Cogan of a lega store. I think when I think Bobby Rude,

2194
02:39:56.159 --> 02:39:58.239
I think Walmart. When I think, what the fuck is this guy

2195
02:39:58.319 --> 02:40:00.840
talking about? Brother? You know, I think there's the thing, dude.

2196
02:40:00.840 --> 02:40:03.079
I think you know that Middle America? Brother? You know, where

2197
02:40:03.120 --> 02:40:07.319
are we going? Dude? Who's
it about? Brother's the deal? You

2198
02:40:07.399 --> 02:40:09.360
know? I think, Brother?
I think James story and the cowboy hat

2199
02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:13.319
beer drinking Middle America NASCAR Walmart,
you know, And I look at Bobby

2200
02:40:13.399 --> 02:40:18.360
rude brother, and all I can
think is Tim Horton's brother. All I

2201
02:40:18.440 --> 02:40:22.360
think about, dude when I see
him, Dude, is is is Canada?

2202
02:40:22.200 --> 02:40:26.440
That's not money and Brother, I
can't get behind Canada. No one

2203
02:40:26.520 --> 02:40:31.000
made more money in Canada than Hulkogan
is a wrestler. I just can't get

2204
02:40:31.040 --> 02:40:35.200
behind Canada. Brother, Canada can
get behind you. Isn't that funny what

2205
02:40:35.040 --> 02:40:39.920
Terry shows you at the building and
ships on three months of storytelling. I'm

2206
02:40:39.959 --> 02:40:43.559
not digging creative, dude, but
it's not your match, brother. I'm

2207
02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:46.559
just telling you, brother, I've
been thinking about a long and hard dude.

2208
02:40:48.200 --> 02:40:52.760
You know, last couple of weeks. Man, I'm thinking about you

2209
02:40:52.840 --> 02:40:54.840
know, where are we going with
his TNA brother? You know, kind

2210
02:40:54.879 --> 02:40:58.840
of what's the endgame? Dude?
You know where are we headed? Brother?

2211
02:40:58.159 --> 02:41:01.280
Who's that guy? Dude? And
I just don't know. I just

2212
02:41:01.600 --> 02:41:05.120
I'm not I don't think it's a
right. I think, you know,

2213
02:41:05.159 --> 02:41:07.479
if we pull the trigger too soon
on somebody, it can kill somebody.

2214
02:41:07.559 --> 02:41:13.120
Brother, he actually kills somebody's career
if we don't do it at the exact

2215
02:41:13.239 --> 02:41:18.360
right moment. I just don't think
it's his time. Brother. You pictured

2216
02:41:18.440 --> 02:41:26.680
him in the production meeting the day
about glory. M oh everyone and everyone's

2217
02:41:26.680 --> 02:41:30.959
standing around the table sitting there.
No one says shit, Alight, let's

2218
02:41:30.959 --> 02:41:35.559
go over to the finish of the
main event. Brother, got like Mike

2219
02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:43.399
tay Mere staying, Dude, who's
going over? We're gonna go with Sting

2220
02:41:43.520 --> 02:41:50.479
Terry. Yeah, that's that's been
the plan. Mm hmmm hm. Well,

2221
02:41:50.520 --> 02:41:56.200
if the Hill goes over Brother in
the semi main, Dude, then

2222
02:41:56.239 --> 02:41:58.319
we're gonna have a baby face go
over in the main event. Brother,

2223
02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:03.680
and that's Curry Angle. Excuse me, well, Kurt Angle is a baby

2224
02:42:03.719 --> 02:42:07.520
faced dude. No, Brother,
you gotta look at it from you know,

2225
02:42:07.639 --> 02:42:11.000
you can't just look at it from
a wrestling level, Dude, that

2226
02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:15.760
kind of like that superficial wrestling level. You got to look at it as

2227
02:42:15.799 --> 02:42:18.799
a deeper you know, what's kind
of a what's the actual story being told?

2228
02:42:20.520 --> 02:42:22.959
You know, because we're not really
telling the story between Kurt Angle and

2229
02:42:24.479 --> 02:42:28.799
Bobby Rude over the TNA Championship.
Brother, that's not the story we're telling.

2230
02:42:28.200 --> 02:42:31.719
The story we're telling, Brother,
is if you look at it,

2231
02:42:31.840 --> 02:42:37.319
dude, we're telling the story about
America versus Canada. Brother, Uh,

2232
02:42:37.600 --> 02:42:43.840
we are, Well, you got
Bobby Rude, the Canadian brother against Kurt

2233
02:42:43.920 --> 02:42:50.440
Angle, American Olympian, and it
just doesn't make sense, brother, to

2234
02:42:50.600 --> 02:42:58.959
have a non Olympic Canadian beat an
Olympic American. Brother. I'm sick of

2235
02:42:58.000 --> 02:43:07.239
these non Olympic Canadians in this business. Where's Ben Johnson. I just don't

2236
02:43:07.280 --> 02:43:13.639
think that the fans are gonna buy
it, brother, I'm not gonna buy

2237
02:43:13.680 --> 02:43:16.879
it, dude. Yeah, neither
of the fucking neither is the public.

2238
02:43:18.719 --> 02:43:22.200
I don't buy it. Buy this
pay per view anyway. I can't believe

2239
02:43:22.200 --> 02:43:28.200
this happened. So let's get into
it. Vince Russo several years after this

2240
02:43:28.280 --> 02:43:30.680
all happened, and while Rude was, you know, in TNA, but

2241
02:43:30.760 --> 02:43:35.000
under a new regime, had Bobby
Rude on his podcast and thank god,

2242
02:43:35.079 --> 02:43:37.920
Russo was going to get to the
bottom of it all. Well. Interestingly,

2243
02:43:39.079 --> 02:43:41.600
he's in a pretty good position to
do so because he's still involved in

2244
02:43:41.639 --> 02:43:43.760
the creative process. He has yet
to be totally iced. That would happen

2245
02:43:43.799 --> 02:43:50.159
around the beginning of the year January, and he's clearly been demoted and subjugated

2246
02:43:50.159 --> 02:43:52.840
to Bruce Pritchard that has happened.
I think that whole blow up has already

2247
02:43:52.840 --> 02:43:56.040
taken place, and took place in
October. Maybe it was slightly after Bound

2248
02:43:56.079 --> 02:43:58.719
for Glory, but it's around this
time. But Russo is still in a

2249
02:43:58.760 --> 02:44:01.399
position of, you know, writing
the show and forwarding his own direction and

2250
02:44:01.920 --> 02:44:07.399
subject to veto by people above him, of course, and Richard was suddenly

2251
02:44:07.440 --> 02:44:09.360
just one more voice above him that
could sort of xnay whatever he said and

2252
02:44:09.479 --> 02:44:15.000
redline everything. But it is interesting
because Russo can frame up this discussion with

2253
02:44:15.040 --> 02:44:16.799
Bobby Rude years later as I was
on your side, Brow and I think

2254
02:44:16.840 --> 02:44:20.920
he was because he wrote all the
television that built this thing up, and

2255
02:44:20.079 --> 02:44:24.920
clearly there was there was a nod
across the TNA organization to push Rude this

2256
02:44:24.959 --> 02:44:28.879
strongly and put him into this position
and produce that video that got him over

2257
02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:31.520
so much and puts it a spotlight
on him as a family man and all

2258
02:44:31.559 --> 02:44:35.680
that shit that people still talk about
now. I want to apologize. This

2259
02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:39.079
is, yes, a four minute
question from Vince Russo to Bobby Rude,

2260
02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:43.600
as he's want to do, but
it also contains a lot of information.

2261
02:44:43.879 --> 02:44:46.719
In the preface to the question about
where Vince Russo sat, where Matt Conway

2262
02:44:46.799 --> 02:44:50.799
the other teenade writers sat, and
the build up to this thing and how

2263
02:44:50.840 --> 02:44:56.799
they observed slowly the whole plan change
from Rude getting his coronation to Rude counting

2264
02:44:56.840 --> 02:45:00.360
the lights. It bound for Glory, Boss hit Russo, BFG wanted to

2265
02:45:00.399 --> 02:45:05.280
get us started bound for Glory.
Two thousand and eleven. Okay, now,

2266
02:45:05.399 --> 02:45:11.120
Bobby, you know, myself and
Matt Conway were doing the writing.

2267
02:45:11.200 --> 02:45:20.520
The story was written and the pieces
were put in place. That October sixteenth,

2268
02:45:20.680 --> 02:45:24.680
two thousand and eleven, Bobby Roode
is going to become the first time

2269
02:45:26.959 --> 02:45:31.879
the t and a world heavyweight champion. We interviewed the family for a reason

2270
02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:35.719
because Bobby was going to be a
baby face. He was going to be

2271
02:45:35.920 --> 02:45:39.959
the baby face champion. Now keep
in mind, this wasn't a decision that

2272
02:45:41.159 --> 02:45:45.319
was just made. This was a
decision that was made months prior. The

2273
02:45:45.520 --> 02:45:50.680
pieces were put into place. We
told the story everything that we wanted to

2274
02:45:50.760 --> 02:45:54.239
do. The night before. You
know, me and Conway sit down with

2275
02:45:54.440 --> 02:46:01.920
Bobby and Bro. I think we're
as excited as you are because this Bro,

2276
02:46:01.319 --> 02:46:05.159
Listen, when you're a writer,
and even though Bro the belt,

2277
02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:09.719
you know, nobody wins it and
nobody loses it, But when when it

2278
02:46:09.920 --> 02:46:18.040
finally finds its way to somebody that's
so deserving and worked so hard, that

2279
02:46:18.399 --> 02:46:24.280
means a lot to the writer,
because the writer knows it means a lot

2280
02:46:24.440 --> 02:46:28.719
to the performer. So I think
Matt and I were just as excited as

2281
02:46:28.799 --> 02:46:31.639
you are. I mean, no
question, it couldn't have happened to a

2282
02:46:31.760 --> 02:46:35.719
nicer guy. And we couldn't wait. We couldn't wait for it to happen,

2283
02:46:35.879 --> 02:46:37.440
you know. So, Bro,
you know, we go into the

2284
02:46:37.559 --> 02:46:43.079
production meeting the day of Bound for
Glory, and right before our very eyes,

2285
02:46:45.040 --> 02:46:50.000
you know, me and Matt are
watching the changing of the finish,

2286
02:46:50.719 --> 02:46:54.360
and Matt and I are looking at
each other like, You've got to be

2287
02:46:54.760 --> 02:47:00.600
effing kidding me, And you know, I'm I'm trying to I'm in bro,

2288
02:47:00.920 --> 02:47:05.719
but I mean I'm not. I'm
just going to say this part of

2289
02:47:05.760 --> 02:47:09.799
it, Okay. When you have
the right people, it's not too difficult

2290
02:47:11.000 --> 02:47:16.559
to convince Dixie Carter of something.
So once it got to the level of

2291
02:47:16.840 --> 02:47:24.639
Dixie being convinced that this other way
was better, at that point it becomes

2292
02:47:24.680 --> 02:47:28.239
a losing battle. So like at
that point, there's nothing more you can

2293
02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:33.479
say. There's nothing more you can
do now after all these months of planning,

2294
02:47:35.280 --> 02:47:37.799
now the finish is going to be
changed. And you know what,

2295
02:47:37.959 --> 02:47:43.399
Bro, at that point, all
I care about is my friend Bobby Rude,

2296
02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:48.520
who freaking earn this, you know, over years earn this with work

2297
02:47:48.639 --> 02:47:54.399
ethic and the way you carried yourself
and being a company guy in you know.

2298
02:47:54.520 --> 02:47:56.159
So now I have to go,
you know, we have to go,

2299
02:47:56.280 --> 02:47:58.639
and we have to tell Bobby.
And like I, you know,

2300
02:48:00.239 --> 02:48:03.079
I hated it, Bro, I
hated everything about it. I don't agree

2301
02:48:03.159 --> 02:48:07.719
with the decision this day. I
feel you would have went on a different

2302
02:48:07.799 --> 02:48:11.639
path if it never went down.
But listen, Bobby, I have to

2303
02:48:11.799 --> 02:48:18.399
ask you, as much of a
prose pro as you are, I saw

2304
02:48:18.559 --> 02:48:26.040
that same set of circumstances Bobby happened
to somebody else, and when that happened,

2305
02:48:26.639 --> 02:48:35.000
that incident put them on a Downwood
spiral. Fact I saw it happen.

2306
02:48:35.479 --> 02:48:39.559
Now we come to you, we
explain it to you. Bro.

2307
02:48:39.120 --> 02:48:43.520
Listen, there is a level of
disappointment. I mean, there's no doubt

2308
02:48:43.600 --> 02:48:48.639
about that. But like, even
at that point, Bobby, how were

2309
02:48:48.719 --> 02:48:54.879
you able to overcome that? And
rise above that because, like I said,

2310
02:48:54.920 --> 02:49:00.200
Bro, as the writer, I'm
pissed off that this isn't happening for

2311
02:49:00.319 --> 02:49:07.000
you. And no matter if you're
not selling or not inside, you gotta

2312
02:49:07.120 --> 02:49:11.280
be extremely disappointed. How did you
work your way through that? What was

2313
02:49:11.360 --> 02:49:16.079
the process? Hell of a question, huh, I'll say, But it's

2314
02:49:16.079 --> 02:49:20.280
all there. I mean, like, yeah, just the way he describes,

2315
02:49:20.360 --> 02:49:22.399
like sitting at the table and watching. Because you know, no one

2316
02:49:22.479 --> 02:49:26.000
smartened up ahead of time, except
that people that are on board with this

2317
02:49:26.079 --> 02:49:28.920
plan. You're not going to tell
people that might disagree until it's too late

2318
02:49:28.000 --> 02:49:31.600
that this is the plan. This
is whole Cogan's m O, what always

2319
02:49:31.639 --> 02:49:35.120
has been. He shows up a
bash at the beach and he's not happy

2320
02:49:35.200 --> 02:49:37.000
with the finish, but he doesn't
say anything about it to anybody until there's

2321
02:49:37.040 --> 02:49:41.280
like three hours to go from a
show, and then all of a sudden,

2322
02:49:41.479 --> 02:49:45.000
it's like, we got to do
exactly what Hulk wants because we have

2323
02:49:46.840 --> 02:49:50.760
dude exactly correct. Hulk Cogan has
this reputation because he's earned it, not

2324
02:49:50.879 --> 02:49:56.079
because the observer has whatever against him. No, he has this reputation because

2325
02:49:56.319 --> 02:50:01.280
he's always do playing these fucking games
that's why I'm playing games Bowler. I'm

2326
02:50:01.840 --> 02:50:05.479
I'm simply trying to do what's best
for business. Polarly, what a home

2327
02:50:05.600 --> 02:50:09.559
what a home Runner was to not
coronate Bobby. What a difference it made

2328
02:50:09.760 --> 02:50:13.040
all positive? So what does Bobby
respond? Let's hit russo b f G

2329
02:50:13.159 --> 02:50:16.200
two. It was funny. I
mean I remember that time. I mean

2330
02:50:16.319 --> 02:50:20.239
remember I actually remember, like it
was yesterday. Uh, like you said,

2331
02:50:20.319 --> 02:50:22.600
you said, I went down for
dinner and I was sitting by myself

2332
02:50:22.639 --> 02:50:26.840
and you Matt came over and,
uh, you know, just kind of

2333
02:50:26.879 --> 02:50:30.399
touch base with me and let me
know that things were good. And um,

2334
02:50:30.719 --> 02:50:31.559
so I went to bed that night, waking up the next morning,

2335
02:50:31.639 --> 02:50:37.040
got some some text from from some
family and some friends. UM, I

2336
02:50:37.079 --> 02:50:41.799
had a buddy of mine flying down
the Philly to to watch. UM got

2337
02:50:41.840 --> 02:50:45.920
through the arena. I was feeling
good, you know. So, like

2338
02:50:46.040 --> 02:50:48.600
you said, the production meeting,
the agent's meeting, Uh, it starts

2339
02:50:48.639 --> 02:50:50.920
I think are probably around twelve and
one. We got to report to the

2340
02:50:50.920 --> 02:50:54.520
building around twelve and one, so
normally it gets out. Usually pay per

2341
02:50:54.559 --> 02:50:58.520
views are pretty simple, if I'm
right, I mean it's pretty cut and

2342
02:50:58.639 --> 02:51:01.000
dry. You're in and out of
there, and at an hour everybody's in

2343
02:51:01.120 --> 02:51:05.719
catering getting ready for the show.
But that particular day was, you know,

2344
02:51:05.520 --> 02:51:09.559
about two o'clock in the afternoon,
still nobody's out. Start walking up

2345
02:51:09.559 --> 02:51:13.120
and down the halls, go out
to the ringside area, hanging out there.

2346
02:51:13.600 --> 02:51:18.559
Now it's like two thirty quarter to
three, nobody's out of the meeting,

2347
02:51:18.319 --> 02:51:22.360
which is very unusual. So Frankie
and AJ come over to me.

2348
02:51:22.520 --> 02:51:26.440
We started, you know, just
shooting the breeze or whatever. They know

2349
02:51:26.520 --> 02:51:31.200
what's going to happen that night.
So we're talking and I turned to AJ

2350
02:51:31.520 --> 02:51:37.559
and I said, it's three o'clock. You watch they're changing the finish.

2351
02:51:39.159 --> 02:51:41.959
Ten minutes later, deal Lebrown comes
up to me and says, Bruce wants

2352
02:51:41.000 --> 02:51:43.440
to talk to you in his office. And I knew right then it was

2353
02:51:43.479 --> 02:51:46.879
done. It was finished. Awesome, you know, they changed it.

2354
02:51:48.879 --> 02:51:52.360
You know, honestly, I don't
know if I was upset. I guess

2355
02:51:52.399 --> 02:51:56.559
that, you know, like you
said, the World championship, the title,

2356
02:51:56.639 --> 02:52:00.760
the belt, it's it's it is
what it is, you know.

2357
02:52:01.079 --> 02:52:05.159
I mean, it was my first
time I've ever you know, it was

2358
02:52:05.239 --> 02:52:07.920
such a build, you know,
it was a six month build really that

2359
02:52:07.000 --> 02:52:11.600
you put into it and we all
put into it, and then for it

2360
02:52:11.719 --> 02:52:16.920
to change in three hours. M
was pretty devastating. It was a shock

2361
02:52:16.079 --> 02:52:18.840
for sure. Um. And I
don't know if if it was you that

2362
02:52:20.040 --> 02:52:22.959
was more pissed off or it was
me, or if it was Kurt Angle

2363
02:52:22.000 --> 02:52:26.239
that was pissed off. Kurt was
upset, you know, he didn't want

2364
02:52:26.280 --> 02:52:28.600
to do it, um, but
I don't know. It was just it's

2365
02:52:28.600 --> 02:52:31.920
one of those things. It's just
it's the way I am. It's just

2366
02:52:31.040 --> 02:52:33.600
okay, this is how you want
to do it. Fine, I'm gonna

2367
02:52:33.600 --> 02:52:37.079
go out there and I'm gonna have
a great match. And then if you

2368
02:52:37.200 --> 02:52:39.680
if you're telling me that a couple
of weeks down the road, this is

2369
02:52:39.799 --> 02:52:41.120
what we're going to do in this
direction that we're going to go into,

2370
02:52:41.719 --> 02:52:45.840
and I'll just take your word for
it, because obviously, you know,

2371
02:52:46.079 --> 02:52:50.079
things change like that in this business. So I'm not going to take anything

2372
02:52:50.120 --> 02:52:52.239
for granted. But I'm gonna go
out then I'm going to prove to you

2373
02:52:52.360 --> 02:52:56.120
that I should be the world champion, and you know, and and see

2374
02:52:56.159 --> 02:52:58.399
where this goes. Honestly, it
was. It was. It was disappointing,

2375
02:52:58.479 --> 02:53:01.920
but when it was all said and
done, that night, I went

2376
02:53:01.959 --> 02:53:05.879
down and ate dinner. And it
wasn't like I was I was staying away

2377
02:53:05.920 --> 02:53:07.879
from anybody or pissed off in anybody
in particular. It was just one of

2378
02:53:07.959 --> 02:53:13.600
those things that in this business,
it's so unpredictable. You used nothing,

2379
02:53:13.319 --> 02:53:18.280
nothing is for sure. Sounds like
a defeated man to me. Yep,

2380
02:53:18.760 --> 02:53:24.399
sounds like a guy who allowed himself
to care. Loser. How about it,

2381
02:53:26.399 --> 02:53:30.040
loser. He's all about like mentioning, like catering and dinner. In

2382
02:53:30.079 --> 02:53:33.440
his story, he said, noticed
that I went to dinner afterwards to tak

2383
02:53:33.920 --> 02:53:37.479
aren't most guys aren't most wrestlers about
dinner. Ate dinner? Okay, what

2384
02:53:37.559 --> 02:53:41.159
does that do that? Right?
Dinner? I ate dinner. I wasn't

2385
02:53:41.159 --> 02:53:46.399
planning on it. See that's a
surefire way. I wasn't devastated. I

2386
02:53:46.639 --> 02:53:48.879
ate dinner. I usually skipped dinner. See, Bobby, I didn't assume

2387
02:53:48.959 --> 02:53:52.799
that, like if you were actually
mad about the finish, you would fast

2388
02:53:52.920 --> 02:53:56.040
and go on a hunger strike essentially. But I mean if I did create,

2389
02:53:56.040 --> 02:53:58.600
If I did creative, I usually
don't eat. What do you hear

2390
02:53:58.600 --> 02:54:03.159
there about us? I hear a
guy who knows that his shot, that

2391
02:54:03.360 --> 02:54:11.239
his shot was blown. A guy
who knows that you have one opportunity.

2392
02:54:13.200 --> 02:54:20.319
That's it, especially in the modern
business, in the modern business where TV

2393
02:54:20.559 --> 02:54:30.399
is everything and you can't go to
another city or another town too, you

2394
02:54:30.479 --> 02:54:35.680
know where they don't know what happened
previously, because we know everything all the

2395
02:54:35.799 --> 02:54:45.479
time. The moment it happens,
the moment you lose, you're done.

2396
02:54:45.799 --> 02:54:50.159
It's all about winning and losing,
baby, it is you can present Hogan

2397
02:54:50.280 --> 02:54:54.680
is some sort of like outmoded figure
because he's always so geared towards not losing

2398
02:54:54.799 --> 02:54:58.920
and that being the number one thing
he's obsessed with. And you can tell

2399
02:55:00.120 --> 02:55:03.440
yourself a story about how the business
is evolved to where you can be an

2400
02:55:03.479 --> 02:55:07.520
impact player and an important player without
being so concerned about whether you get your

2401
02:55:07.559 --> 02:55:11.079
hand raised or not. But you're
only a lying to yourself. That's right,

2402
02:55:11.079 --> 02:55:16.719
and you know it. And here's
the thing, you know, who

2403
02:55:16.879 --> 02:55:24.000
knows more than anybody in this scenario
that you only get one chance. The

2404
02:55:24.079 --> 02:55:26.920
people who made the decision to not
put over Bobby Root at Bound for Glory.

2405
02:55:26.479 --> 02:55:31.760
That's Robby Rude knows that he knows
that the people who are trying to

2406
02:55:31.840 --> 02:55:35.559
tell him that it's going to work
out for the best for him. Knew

2407
02:55:35.680 --> 02:55:39.079
full well what they took away from
him at Bound for Glory, knew the

2408
02:55:39.120 --> 02:55:43.760
harm it would do to his upside
and to his You know that there is

2409
02:55:43.840 --> 02:55:46.159
no other opportunity. It's over it
and you can hear that in the man's

2410
02:55:46.239 --> 02:55:50.920
voice. And he's too kind to
really go in on it. But of

2411
02:55:50.000 --> 02:55:54.799
course he's a Canadian, you know, just a nice guy, you know,

2412
02:55:56.040 --> 02:56:01.680
just man. Guess what you were
screened? Not an asshole boring,

2413
02:56:01.879 --> 02:56:07.680
not a pain of boring. That's
not a pretty donas boring. You lose,

2414
02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:16.079
buddy, yourself lost, Go fuck
yourself, eat shit and leave.

2415
02:56:16.159 --> 02:56:20.760
Megan's never said anything about this.
I don't think he's ever been asked about

2416
02:56:20.799 --> 02:56:26.079
it. But um, well,
we can't get Hulk Cogan. You know

2417
02:56:26.079 --> 02:56:28.360
who we go to, right,
that's the proxy voice for the hulksterts Eric

2418
02:56:28.399 --> 02:56:31.319
Bischoff. Of course he is,
you know, he is the voice of

2419
02:56:31.399 --> 02:56:35.120
Hulk Hogan. And on the eighty
three Weeks podcast, Conrad read to Eric

2420
02:56:35.879 --> 02:56:41.399
the same Observer excerpt we read to
you regarding Hogan putting the Kai bosh on

2421
02:56:41.440 --> 02:56:46.680
the finish. Then come on.
Let's hit it. Bullshit, it's just

2422
02:56:46.760 --> 02:56:52.559
fucking melts, Eric, bfgo a
lot to unpack here. I know you're

2423
02:56:52.600 --> 02:56:54.559
going to deny it, and it's
real fit, so let's do it.

2424
02:56:56.680 --> 02:56:58.879
Good for him. I hate to
disappoint you, but I can't even give

2425
02:57:00.000 --> 02:57:05.840
of any of that the credibility of
a nano second of my thought or emotion.

2426
02:57:07.040 --> 02:57:09.719
This is ridiculous. So Hogan didn't
change the finish. Oh, that

2427
02:57:09.879 --> 02:57:16.959
might have had an opinion, But
Hogan not only did he not have the

2428
02:57:18.079 --> 02:57:22.399
authority or the influence, he had
no interest in having the authority or the

2429
02:57:22.520 --> 02:57:30.120
influence. This is so opposite of
reality. Now, could could he expressed

2430
02:57:30.159 --> 02:57:37.799
an opinion to Dixie or to somebody
else? Maybe? But that's all I

2431
02:57:37.879 --> 02:57:41.200
can say. I just as tired
as people are of hearing me go off

2432
02:57:41.239 --> 02:57:43.959
on David. I'm I'm just I'm
more tired of it than they are.

2433
02:57:46.600 --> 02:57:48.520
You sure, all right? Eric? Whatever you say, buddy, Wow,

2434
02:57:52.040 --> 02:57:54.639
okay, Um, he didn't have
that power. This is Eric's hole.

2435
02:57:54.719 --> 02:57:56.920
Like I didn't have that power.
I didn't want that power. That's

2436
02:57:56.959 --> 02:58:01.120
the whole thing, right, I
know. But he's putting it on Hogan.

2437
02:58:01.200 --> 02:58:03.959
No, it's because you didn't have
it because you didn't want it doesn't

2438
02:58:03.959 --> 02:58:09.239
mean it didn't happen exactly. In
fact, it probably mayn't. Actually he

2439
02:58:09.360 --> 02:58:11.280
didn't actually say didn't happen either.
That's the thing about it. You know,

2440
02:58:11.520 --> 02:58:15.639
it's kind of like it's like Hogan
with the sixty million dollars, right.

2441
02:58:15.760 --> 02:58:20.399
He never actually flat out denies that
Hogan didn't do it. He just

2442
02:58:20.479 --> 02:58:22.159
says Hogan didn't have the you know, Hogan didn't have the power. He

2443
02:58:22.159 --> 02:58:28.280
didn't want me. It's like,
right, exactly, he's saying Hogan wanted.

2444
02:58:28.680 --> 02:58:33.600
No, he never said that Hogan
didn't do it. He said he

2445
02:58:33.799 --> 02:58:37.520
is. He's being a lawyer.
He's you know, I thought, I

2446
02:58:37.559 --> 02:58:39.440
guess he hung out with Scott Hervey
a lot more than Jason Hervey when it

2447
02:58:39.479 --> 02:58:43.040
all came right down to it.
You know, he's like, well,

2448
02:58:43.079 --> 02:58:48.760
if Hogan didn't have the power on
a piece of paper somewhere to determine who

2449
02:58:48.799 --> 02:58:54.000
won the Down for Glory main event, then him expressing to everybody that Rude

2450
02:58:54.000 --> 02:58:58.079
shouldn't win and changing everybody's mind who
does have that authority isn't the same thing

2451
02:58:58.159 --> 02:59:01.440
as changing the finish right, Exactly, no difference. He didn't want that

2452
02:59:01.520 --> 02:59:07.399
power. He didn't have the party
didn't want that power. I wouldn't want

2453
02:59:07.399 --> 02:59:09.680
the power either, when history reflects
so poorly in my decision making, that's

2454
02:59:09.719 --> 02:59:13.159
for sure. Nobody wants that power. To take that power. When it

2455
02:59:13.239 --> 02:59:16.719
turns out great, I'll take the
power if I can blame somebody else.

2456
02:59:16.719 --> 02:59:20.399
I'll have nothing to do with the
power if it turns out badly. I

2457
02:59:20.440 --> 02:59:24.239
mean, what the fuck? Did
you have an opinion? Look, okay,

2458
02:59:24.399 --> 02:59:26.799
that's the same thing, Oh,
an opinion? You know, I

2459
02:59:26.840 --> 02:59:30.200
mean we all have opinion. Name
one thing hul Coogan wanted to see happen

2460
02:59:30.280 --> 02:59:33.920
in TNA. That didn't. Name
one thing that Hulkogan didn't want to see

2461
02:59:33.959 --> 02:59:39.520
happen in TNA. That did.
He ran the company. He ran the

2462
02:59:39.559 --> 02:59:43.719
company. It was his little plate
ground company. I mean we you know,

2463
02:59:43.799 --> 02:59:46.840
we we we had to answer to
Spike. Okay, I'm sure Spike.

2464
02:59:46.159 --> 02:59:50.159
I mean there was a whole you
know, I have to go to

2465
02:59:50.200 --> 02:59:52.120
the mat with Hull Coogan or whether
Bobby Rude won the bound for Glory may

2466
02:59:52.159 --> 02:59:56.159
have entry. We had a whole. There was a whole hierarchy, a

2467
02:59:56.200 --> 03:00:03.719
whole system about where things stop.
Addiction Parter I'm you know, the buck

2468
03:00:03.799 --> 03:00:09.479
stops where the buck stops. It
doesn't didn't answer the question, and he

2469
03:00:09.600 --> 03:00:11.600
just does the whole I mean that
cut it off, but he does the

2470
03:00:11.639 --> 03:00:15.920
whole meltzer thing again. It's like, dude, Like that's like a dog

2471
03:00:15.959 --> 03:00:18.440
whistle at this point, you know, a guy, wasn't there going to

2472
03:00:18.520 --> 03:00:22.680
like ten minutes about Dave and how
he has a grudge against Hogan to like

2473
03:00:24.079 --> 03:00:28.520
dance around the idea that you can't
quite deny that what was said is qualitatively

2474
03:00:28.600 --> 03:00:33.079
true, Like it's true in any
way that anybody would give a fuck.

2475
03:00:33.280 --> 03:00:37.319
Like no one is thinking about like
lawyers and like contracts and what exactly your

2476
03:00:37.399 --> 03:00:41.760
job duties are. No one fucking
is thinking about that. When they say

2477
03:00:41.840 --> 03:00:46.040
that hull Cogan killed the finish of
this match, they're thinking, did the

2478
03:00:46.120 --> 03:00:48.920
actions hull Cogan take set in motion
a series of events that led to Bobby

2479
03:00:50.000 --> 03:00:52.000
Route taking the fall? And the
answer is, yesh, So what's the

2480
03:00:52.040 --> 03:00:54.600
fucking problem here? I guess if
someone else reported, it'd be fine,

2481
03:00:54.680 --> 03:00:58.680
you know, but right, I
mean, what are you doing, Terry?

2482
03:01:00.120 --> 03:01:01.159
I mean, aren't you a little
old for this? You know what

2483
03:01:01.200 --> 03:01:03.799
I mean? This is like a
fifty year old at that at the club,

2484
03:01:05.120 --> 03:01:07.000
you know, like, what are
you one? Like? What are

2485
03:01:07.000 --> 03:01:09.280
you talking about? What do you
just play your role and and help this

2486
03:01:09.399 --> 03:01:13.879
company and just stay the fuck out
of the decisions as to who's like actually

2487
03:01:13.959 --> 03:01:18.280
carrying the load? What's the problem? The problem is you almost made a

2488
03:01:18.399 --> 03:01:24.079
star who and you couldn't You didn't
know what to do when you almost made

2489
03:01:24.079 --> 03:01:26.920
a star, you have a fucking
panic attack. What I'm not saying Bobby

2490
03:01:26.959 --> 03:01:31.000
Rudy let the world on fire?
Not gonna be saying he would have reversed

2491
03:01:31.000 --> 03:01:33.479
the company's fortune. Who's on fire? Dude? What are you saying?

2492
03:01:33.719 --> 03:01:35.399
Been a signal that when you guys
hit on something and try hard, that

2493
03:01:35.440 --> 03:01:41.479
you can actually deliver on it.
That the fans can expect that when you

2494
03:01:41.600 --> 03:01:43.840
tell them something's about to happen,
or that they should get invested in somebody

2495
03:01:46.479 --> 03:01:48.360
and it's not going to be well. Now, that means he can only

2496
03:01:48.399 --> 03:01:52.319
actually be the guy if he totally
turns on the fans and does a complete

2497
03:01:52.360 --> 03:02:00.840
one eighty who Bobby rude so Hey
book? He said it? Rick Rud's

2498
03:02:00.879 --> 03:02:05.479
dead, broke, dude. I
didn't want the power. I didn't have

2499
03:02:05.600 --> 03:02:09.559
the power. I didn't want it
in the palm of your hand or you're

2500
03:02:09.559 --> 03:02:13.360
pointing with your index finger to the
palm, dude, I'm I'm I'm looking

2501
03:02:13.399 --> 03:02:15.760
at it. Brother. And I
said to myself, you know what,

2502
03:02:16.200 --> 03:02:20.600
you know, I had my opinion. Brother. You know, I understand

2503
03:02:20.680 --> 03:02:26.000
that people sometimes saying think that I
have this power, like I can control

2504
03:02:26.040 --> 03:02:28.719
of the people. But dude,
I don't play hide the ball, brot

2505
03:02:30.680 --> 03:02:33.479
or I dude, I don't play
ying yang. Brother. I mean,

2506
03:02:33.520 --> 03:02:35.799
I'm pretty straight and narrow, Dude, I'm all out getting things back on

2507
03:02:35.959 --> 03:02:43.239
track. And you know, dude, I just brother, I said some

2508
03:02:43.399 --> 03:02:46.399
things, dude, and and and
maybe people didn't like it. Brother,

2509
03:02:46.920 --> 03:02:50.280
I own up to that. You
know that was my decision, dude that

2510
03:02:50.319 --> 03:02:54.440
I made that I have those opinions, brother, but you know I didn't

2511
03:02:54.479 --> 03:02:56.440
have that power. I didn't want
that power. Brother, how many times

2512
03:02:56.479 --> 03:03:01.040
I can say it, I don't
I don't want that power. Well,

2513
03:03:01.159 --> 03:03:05.959
you know, it's unfortunate Brude is
too kind to name names. Russo I

2514
03:03:05.040 --> 03:03:07.559
cut that out of the clip,
but he had a preamble about how he's

2515
03:03:07.559 --> 03:03:09.840
not going to name names here.
Just didn't think it was worth it.

2516
03:03:09.920 --> 03:03:13.639
They're talking about Hulk again, of
course, but we're not going to get

2517
03:03:13.639 --> 03:03:16.719
anybody that was involved in this to
say that it was Hulkogan to change the

2518
03:03:16.760 --> 03:03:20.360
finish right beyond Dave and we can
you know, everyone can have their fun

2519
03:03:20.440 --> 03:03:24.879
with, you know, picking that
apart. No one involved that Wait a

2520
03:03:24.879 --> 03:03:28.639
minute, hit angle BFG Oh boy. Yes, I was expected to drop

2521
03:03:28.719 --> 03:03:31.719
the title of Bobby. They were
doing all these vignettes with Bobby and his

2522
03:03:31.879 --> 03:03:35.200
family, you know, talking about
how hard of a worker he was,

2523
03:03:35.319 --> 03:03:39.920
what a great family man he was, and it was all set up to

2524
03:03:39.000 --> 03:03:43.719
drop the title to him. And
I don't know what happened. It wasn't

2525
03:03:43.799 --> 03:03:46.319
me. We're gonna be the first
one to admit I did not ask to

2526
03:03:46.440 --> 03:03:50.879
keep the title. As a matter
of fact, I was really injured.

2527
03:03:50.959 --> 03:03:54.920
I had a torn hamstring, not
a pulled hamstring, porn. It was

2528
03:03:54.959 --> 03:03:58.200
almost torn all the way in half. My whole leg was black all the

2529
03:03:58.239 --> 03:04:01.159
way down to the heel of my
what And I didn't even know if I

2530
03:04:01.239 --> 03:04:05.479
could wrestle at Bound for Glory and
for them to say, hey, you're

2531
03:04:05.520 --> 03:04:09.559
gonna They didn't tell me until the
day of the show at Bound for Glory

2532
03:04:09.920 --> 03:04:13.280
that I was going to retain the
title, and I was a little pissed

2533
03:04:13.280 --> 03:04:18.959
off because I didn't want to carry
the title any longer because of my injury.

2534
03:04:18.040 --> 03:04:22.920
I wanted to rest it up and
heal up and come back in perfect

2535
03:04:22.000 --> 03:04:28.879
form. And unfortunately they decided against
Bobby getting the title, which was kind

2536
03:04:28.959 --> 03:04:33.120
of a downer from the pay per
view bound for Glory, especially us being

2537
03:04:33.200 --> 03:04:37.360
on last. It was a real
flat finish. You know, he was

2538
03:04:37.440 --> 03:04:41.479
expected to win the title and he
got it taken away from him. And

2539
03:04:41.040 --> 03:04:46.680
Hulk Hogan is the reason. Wow, there it is. He's lying,

2540
03:04:46.959 --> 03:04:52.280
brother. What look for me to
even dignify that with a response is laughable.

2541
03:04:52.799 --> 03:04:58.120
He has a vindet against Ugant.
Oh yeah, but Kurt Angle.

2542
03:05:00.239 --> 03:05:03.719
It's funny because Bischof's pod this is
before that's from Angles podcast it does with

2543
03:05:03.879 --> 03:05:07.559
Paul Bromwell, available at ad Free
shows a good show and uh it's before

2544
03:05:07.600 --> 03:05:11.040
Angel had done one. You can
hear Bischoff on on his pod say like,

2545
03:05:11.760 --> 03:05:13.040
yeah, I don't know Bruce thought
or Kurt thought in other words,

2546
03:05:13.079 --> 03:05:18.040
like I need to triangulate my story
here because they may they may contradict me

2547
03:05:18.120 --> 03:05:22.959
one day. And it's happened,
I you know, And I like Kurt,

2548
03:05:22.440 --> 03:05:26.639
and nobody was there, and I
like these people exactly, and I

2549
03:05:26.760 --> 03:05:31.840
like Kurt Kurt. I respect Kurt. You know, Kurt is a great

2550
03:05:33.920 --> 03:05:37.440
you know, he's one of the
great wrestlers of of of his generation.

2551
03:05:37.239 --> 03:05:41.719
He wasn't there, you know,
he wasn't in the room he wrestled the

2552
03:05:41.879 --> 03:05:48.600
matt He wasn't a Bound for Glory. You know, he shows up to

2553
03:05:48.719 --> 03:05:52.520
do his do his match, and
that's it. And yeah, we can

2554
03:05:52.600 --> 03:05:56.000
go back and forth on this forever. You know, there's always a he

2555
03:05:56.159 --> 03:06:03.959
said, she said, and you
know it's driving me nuts. Right.

2556
03:06:05.200 --> 03:06:09.319
We can point fingers all day,
you know, we can point fingers all

2557
03:06:09.399 --> 03:06:13.559
day. Meltzer wasn't there, Kurt
Angle wasn't there. It was an empty

2558
03:06:13.639 --> 03:06:16.360
home. Well, fuck this.
I got to get to the bottom of

2559
03:06:16.440 --> 03:06:24.680
this. Hello, brother, what
a question for you, mister hul Coogan.

2560
03:06:24.840 --> 03:06:28.959
Did you who who changed the finish
of Bound for Glory twenty eleven so

2561
03:06:30.040 --> 03:06:37.440
that Kurd Angle beat Bobby Rude?
And if so, why what's going on?

2562
03:06:37.639 --> 03:06:41.399
Dude? Simple question? Can you
answer it or no? I'll take

2563
03:06:41.479 --> 03:06:43.959
a non answer. I want to
tell you right now, dude, I

2564
03:06:43.959 --> 03:06:48.959
don't know who you are It's not
a simple question, dude. Yeah,

2565
03:06:48.959 --> 03:06:54.680
we're talking about a a layered question
with a lot of you know, complexity.

2566
03:06:54.760 --> 03:06:58.319
Brother, I don't think so who
are you talk what? Who are

2567
03:06:58.319 --> 03:07:03.120
you talking to them? Talking to
you? At least I thought so what

2568
03:07:03.920 --> 03:07:07.159
I'm brother, I'm out here,
Dude. Were you abound for Glory twenty

2569
03:07:07.239 --> 03:07:13.600
eleven? Uh? You know I
can't confirms sting you were there? I

2570
03:07:13.959 --> 03:07:16.559
dude, you know what? You
know? You could say that I was

2571
03:07:16.600 --> 03:07:20.760
there, Brother, Maybe I was
Maybe I wasn't lost. Brother. I'm

2572
03:07:20.760 --> 03:07:24.239
gonna tell you something, Dude,
I never I don't have the kind of

2573
03:07:24.319 --> 03:07:28.520
power to change finishes. Dude.
You know there's a committee, there's a

2574
03:07:28.719 --> 03:07:33.799
hierarchy, brother, and and to
be quite frank, I'm a little uncomfortable

2575
03:07:33.879 --> 03:07:39.159
with with your line of questioning.
Dude. Now that hierarchy granted, did

2576
03:07:39.239 --> 03:07:43.879
you did you basically convince that hierarchy
to have Bobby Rude lose the match?

2577
03:07:43.920 --> 03:07:46.840
And if so, what's the difference? No, Vince isn't a brother.

2578
03:07:46.920 --> 03:07:50.360
I wasn't working for Vince, Dude, I didn't convince no, excuse me,

2579
03:07:50.639 --> 03:07:58.079
um persuade. No, I didn't
pur anybody. Brother. Did you

2580
03:07:58.520 --> 03:08:01.280
tell people that you didn't think about
be rooted win the title A Bound for

2581
03:08:01.319 --> 03:08:05.680
Glory twenty eleven. No, Brother, what I said, dude was what

2582
03:08:05.799 --> 03:08:09.760
I said is that I don't know
if Bobby Roode is ready. Brother,

2583
03:08:09.079 --> 03:08:13.280
there's a difference, Dude, I
don't know. You don't know why it's

2584
03:08:13.319 --> 03:08:16.760
not ready. Brother, I have
opinions, Dude, I had opinions.

2585
03:08:18.600 --> 03:08:22.079
Opinions have changed. I told you, Brother, what I said was at

2586
03:08:22.120 --> 03:08:26.360
the time, Brother, I wasn't
sure if Bobby Rude was at the level

2587
03:08:26.440 --> 03:08:28.680
that he needed to be. Dude, But is that my decision to say,

2588
03:08:28.760 --> 03:08:31.879
no, you can't know, Brother, I didn't have power. You

2589
03:08:31.959 --> 03:08:37.239
can even go look at contracts,
Dude, I was not given the authority

2590
03:08:37.239 --> 03:08:41.639
to Brother. You're gonna have to
ask. You don't know had the authority

2591
03:08:41.760 --> 03:08:46.040
somebody else, Dude. Brother,
I was there as a talent. I

2592
03:08:46.280 --> 03:08:50.399
was there, Brother as an occasional
entering performer. Brother, when the when

2593
03:08:50.479 --> 03:08:54.639
the when the time was correct due
to read on the proper thing, did

2594
03:08:54.680 --> 03:08:56.600
I wrestle I? Brother, I
never wrestled, Dude. I never wrestled

2595
03:08:56.600 --> 03:09:01.680
TNA Brothers A couple of times against
a bit with Abyss and Brother. I

2596
03:09:01.760 --> 03:09:05.719
was in a fight dude, big
difference, brother, So you didn't never

2597
03:09:05.799 --> 03:09:09.159
wrestle. You didn't what I didn't
see to persuade anybody in the in the

2598
03:09:09.200 --> 03:09:11.360
higher arty. Brother, I'm gonna
tell you, dude, I never sought

2599
03:09:11.440 --> 03:09:16.680
to persuade brother. The things that
I did, dude, were between me

2600
03:09:16.799 --> 03:09:20.479
and the company. Kurt Angles,
says Huk Cogan. Did it, Kurt

2601
03:09:20.520 --> 03:09:24.440
Angle, says Hulks. The reason
Bob lost, you know, and and

2602
03:09:24.719 --> 03:09:26.680
and you know, Kurt and I
have had kind of a you know,

2603
03:09:26.959 --> 03:09:30.280
colle with me and Macho. You
know, brother, we had a kind

2604
03:09:30.280 --> 03:09:35.680
of a love hate love hate relationship. Dude, I can't say exactly without

2605
03:09:35.719 --> 03:09:39.319
a shadow of a doubt, brother, what exactly happened with Kurt Angle.

2606
03:09:43.440 --> 03:09:48.600
So you're not you're not admitting that
you said in motion the changing of the

2607
03:09:48.639 --> 03:09:56.760
finish to the bound for Glory twenty
eleven made event. What thanks Terry for

2608
03:09:56.920 --> 03:10:00.159
Kurt Angele's part. You know,
he said in that clip, you know,

2609
03:10:00.200 --> 03:10:03.159
I don't want the fucking when the
belt for one retained the belt for

2610
03:10:03.200 --> 03:10:05.440
one reason because I didn't want to
carry it anymore because I was hurt.

2611
03:10:05.600 --> 03:10:07.399
And then he goes on a radio
show shortly after this and says he only

2612
03:10:07.440 --> 03:10:11.479
had a slight tear in his hamstring. This is shortly after a beout for

2613
03:10:11.520 --> 03:10:13.799
Glory, but the reason his leg
looks open, So he's got different tears,

2614
03:10:13.920 --> 03:10:18.959
different realities, different desires. Um, But I don't know whatever,

2615
03:10:20.200 --> 03:10:24.639
I believe, what you want,
I'll believe this. Bound for Glory twenty

2616
03:10:24.680 --> 03:10:28.440
eleven to twenty three thousand buys twenty
ten to thirty nine thousand, so a

2617
03:10:28.559 --> 03:10:31.600
drop of forty one percent for the
biggest show on the calendar year with Hule

2618
03:10:31.639 --> 03:10:37.280
Cogan wrestling this time as opposed to
be just vaguely advertised for to the twenty

2619
03:10:37.319 --> 03:10:41.239
ten show. It's fine. So
if I know Hogan, that means exit

2620
03:10:41.319 --> 03:10:48.760
stage right incoming Brother? What sold
for the show, which took place at

2621
03:10:48.799 --> 03:10:54.239
the what was called the Laya Koras
Center in Philadelphia at Temple University on the

2622
03:10:54.280 --> 03:10:58.360
campus of Temple The Lion Who,
Brother? Who? Why? Who's lying?

2623
03:10:58.000 --> 03:11:03.280
Exactly? Who's lying? So they
ended up with about four thousand in

2624
03:11:03.319 --> 03:11:05.360
the building, twenty five hundred paid, not a great attendance for a pay

2625
03:11:05.399 --> 03:11:09.040
per view, and a good amount
of that four thousand, of course,

2626
03:11:09.120 --> 03:11:11.959
was papered. They did. I
totally forgot about this till I was researching.

2627
03:11:13.520 --> 03:11:18.280
They did movie theaters. They cut
a deal. Oh did they really

2628
03:11:18.360 --> 03:11:26.319
put taper theaters and it was just
just about two thousand people. Can't imagine

2629
03:11:26.440 --> 03:11:30.680
who the fuck would show up to
that. At the time, UFC was

2630
03:11:30.719 --> 03:11:33.680
doing pretty good business in movie theaters. I went to UM really, yep,

2631
03:11:33.799 --> 03:11:35.200
I went to a few UFC's in
movie theaters. I went to UM

2632
03:11:35.799 --> 03:11:39.680
a Floyd Mayweather boxing match in a
movie theater, and I loved it.

2633
03:11:39.200 --> 03:11:43.239
I love the experture. That was
so great because you get a live crowd

2634
03:11:43.280 --> 03:11:48.559
atmosphere, but you can hear the
commentary that. That's what was so huge

2635
03:11:48.600 --> 03:11:50.879
to me. Plus I could have
popcorn, which, oh, sure,

2636
03:11:50.159 --> 03:11:54.760
my favorite thing in the world.
Oh yeah, you so. But it

2637
03:11:54.879 --> 03:11:56.680
was just like you know what I
mean, you had this like when you

2638
03:11:56.719 --> 03:12:00.520
go to a bar. It's just
like you if you're a real US fan

2639
03:12:00.600 --> 03:12:03.879
and you really like to be able
to engross yourself in the broadcast, it's

2640
03:12:03.920 --> 03:12:07.040
hard because you know, nobody wants
to hear anything. They're just kind of

2641
03:12:07.079 --> 03:12:09.319
watching the big moments under the corner
of their eye, and other than that,

2642
03:12:09.399 --> 03:12:13.079
they're having fun talk and yell and
scream and drinking whatever. Eating,

2643
03:12:13.000 --> 03:12:16.360
but in the movie theater it's like
everyone's there to really pay close fucking attention,

2644
03:12:16.520 --> 03:12:20.920
but they're still popping. Yeah,
so I loved it. I even

2645
03:12:22.000 --> 03:12:24.440
went to one, which is an
experimental thing. They never redid, a

2646
03:12:24.600 --> 03:12:30.200
UFC pay per view that was in
movie theaters in three d oh weird.

2647
03:12:30.879 --> 03:12:33.399
I was like, it was so
cool. You put the glasses on,

2648
03:12:33.559 --> 03:12:37.879
and like you saw this depth of
the cage that you never obviously you never

2649
03:12:37.920 --> 03:12:41.840
could see on standard television, and
you could see like the people sitting on

2650
03:12:41.879 --> 03:12:45.639
the other side of the fence in
such a more high resolution way. It

2651
03:12:45.719 --> 03:12:48.479
almost though like you were watching two
fighters in a video game, honestly,

2652
03:12:48.600 --> 03:12:50.840
like floating interest in front of you. But I love that. That was

2653
03:12:50.879 --> 03:12:54.879
cool. I used to love going
to those things. And it wasn't that

2654
03:12:54.959 --> 03:12:56.879
much more expensive than buying the pay
per view. I don't think it was.

2655
03:12:56.959 --> 03:13:01.280
I think it was probably cheaper if
you don't include fully sure and uh

2656
03:13:01.399 --> 03:13:05.440
yeah, so uf was having a
lot of success. The observers said around

2657
03:13:05.479 --> 03:13:07.200
this time that one of the fights, George Saint Peter Dan Hardy in twenty

2658
03:13:07.319 --> 03:13:13.639
ten, did between thirty and fifty
thousand tickets bound regarded to two thousand across

2659
03:13:13.680 --> 03:13:16.920
the country, so not gonna not
gonna last for long, but they tried.

2660
03:13:18.079 --> 03:13:22.360
That's right, apparently. I don't
know if you remember talking about this,

2661
03:13:22.520 --> 03:13:26.959
but there was a tradition for years
during the Attitude era of w w

2662
03:13:26.040 --> 03:13:31.120
F pay per views in movie theaters
in Canada. No, I don't remember

2663
03:13:31.120 --> 03:13:33.559
that all the Canadians would go watch
the pay per views in movie theaters from

2664
03:13:33.559 --> 03:13:37.120
what I remember here. But I
always thought that would be so cool.

2665
03:13:37.159 --> 03:13:39.319
He imagine, like we were on
and at the co if we could just

2666
03:13:39.360 --> 03:13:45.200
go to the lows oazing's been great. That would have been a lot of

2667
03:13:45.319 --> 03:13:52.000
fun, Like a real that would
have been fucking great. And unlike the

2668
03:13:52.079 --> 03:13:56.159
restaurant at the bar, you don't
have like you know, thirty percent of

2669
03:13:56.200 --> 03:13:58.239
the people are actually fans and the
rest are people just trying to drive their

2670
03:13:58.319 --> 03:14:01.840
meals. You know. It's like, if you buy a movie theater ticket

2671
03:14:01.879 --> 03:14:03.200
to go watch, you're a fucking
fan, so you're gonna be in my

2672
03:14:03.399 --> 03:14:07.120
friends. You know, there have
to be people, all right, and

2673
03:14:07.159 --> 03:14:09.159
you're also not there. You're also
not there, yeah, by accident or

2674
03:14:09.200 --> 03:14:13.079
anything like that. You know you're
you're there. You're there for a reason.

2675
03:14:13.799 --> 03:14:18.799
Exactly, and it's appointment viewing as
it should be, as life should

2676
03:14:18.840 --> 03:14:24.079
be, and totally just um,
I just know there are people out there

2677
03:14:26.159 --> 03:14:28.639
who bought a movie theater ticket to
watch Bound for Glory twenty eleven in a

2678
03:14:28.719 --> 03:14:33.760
movie theater, and we're the only
person in the theater as they deserve to

2679
03:14:33.840 --> 03:14:39.239
be. Imagine the reality check that
that is almost a start of a reality

2680
03:14:39.360 --> 03:14:43.879
check as the night was for one. Bobby Rude. That's right. I

2681
03:14:43.920 --> 03:14:46.680
don't know. We've weighed all the
evidence, boss, and thanks to to

2682
03:14:46.760 --> 03:14:48.399
Conrad, a lot of people have
had, you know, podcast forums tell

2683
03:14:48.440 --> 03:14:52.520
their story in Vince russo they're having
Bobby rudon as well. I know where

2684
03:14:52.520 --> 03:14:56.120
I come out. Where do you
come out? Did Hogan change to finish

2685
03:14:56.200 --> 03:15:01.239
or not? Oh? Absolutely,
on fucking hell absolutely here, there's no

2686
03:15:01.399 --> 03:15:09.079
question. Thanks hl tnh tnh tnh
that's right, total NonStop fucking Hogan.

2687
03:15:09.239 --> 03:15:11.719
And do you think he sticks around
to architect? You know where this thing

2688
03:15:11.840 --> 03:15:18.680
goes from this disappointing moment for Cobby
Rude, I would say, no,

2689
03:15:18.920 --> 03:15:22.239
where has he gone? As fast
as fucking possible. I think he's gotta

2690
03:15:22.239 --> 03:15:24.440
he's gonna do his little thing.
And then He's gonna get the fuck out

2691
03:15:24.479 --> 03:15:26.280
of Dodge should the impact coming off
Bound for Glory. It was October twenty,

2692
03:15:26.399 --> 03:15:28.959
two thousand and eleven. It opened
with Stings music and a Bound for

2693
03:15:30.040 --> 03:15:33.680
Glory recap video and Hogan and a
T shirt and jeans and no shades and

2694
03:15:33.760 --> 03:15:39.799
no paint. Yeah, I know, completely killing the whole fucking joker gimmick.

2695
03:15:39.920 --> 03:15:43.600
Oh, totally. Sting is in
a Hogan T shirt. Um yeah,

2696
03:15:43.840 --> 03:15:46.719
Garrett Um they talked about was in
an Immortal Plants referee until Bound for

2697
03:15:46.760 --> 03:15:50.799
Glory when it took courage, as
he displayed to stand up to his dad.

2698
03:15:50.879 --> 03:15:54.079
It's like you reveal it and then
it's all moot right away. Uh,

2699
03:15:54.200 --> 03:15:58.520
Sting, it's the ring. Yeah, I got, I got a

2700
03:15:58.600 --> 03:16:01.239
couple. I get. I don't
have the whole fucking thing here for him,

2701
03:16:01.280 --> 03:16:05.479
but I do have a couple of
things because this first one. Um,

2702
03:16:07.840 --> 03:16:16.040
so Stingon claims and you've you've said
it too, that it's been eighteen

2703
03:16:16.120 --> 03:16:22.239
months since Dixie Carter didn't have control
of her company. Eighteen months ago,

2704
03:16:22.280 --> 03:16:26.319
I made a bout of myself to
all the wrestlers in the back and all

2705
03:16:26.399 --> 03:16:31.000
you people that I would do two
things two goals. Goal number one to

2706
03:16:31.159 --> 03:16:33.799
get this company back in the hands
of its rightful owner, Dixie Carter.

2707
03:16:37.879 --> 03:16:46.239
Goal number two was for the real
Hull Cogan to come home. Carter If

2708
03:16:46.239 --> 03:16:52.639
I'm wrong, but didn't the court
decision happened in March. Yeah. I

2709
03:16:52.719 --> 03:16:58.639
think what he's saying is he started
crowing about how there's a cancer and Hogan

2710
03:16:58.680 --> 03:17:01.879
and Bishop aren't your friend ends in
March of twenty ten, But in the

2711
03:17:03.040 --> 03:17:11.440
March of twenty mm that's I guess. But I mean again, it wasn't

2712
03:17:11.479 --> 03:17:15.159
her company. It wasn't it wasn't
not her company. Yeah. I think

2713
03:17:15.200 --> 03:17:18.280
what he's saying is, you know, not what he said was giving the

2714
03:17:18.319 --> 03:17:22.319
company back to Dixie Carter. Yeah, that's what he said. It's going

2715
03:17:22.360 --> 03:17:24.159
back to that scene where he you
know what I mean, they grabbed her.

2716
03:17:24.520 --> 03:17:28.559
I know what he's saying. I'm
saying he's I'm saying he spoke wrong.

2717
03:17:30.680 --> 03:17:33.760
That that happens in wrestling, that's
for sure. I'm saying he said

2718
03:17:33.840 --> 03:17:39.719
is something stupid accelebratory mood though for
staying as he's triumphed on behalf of Disie

2719
03:17:39.760 --> 03:17:43.879
Carter. I mean, you gotta
be he wanted the real whole Coken to

2720
03:17:43.920 --> 03:17:48.040
come home. That was his another
his other wish with the obnoxious fake crowd

2721
03:17:48.120 --> 03:17:50.920
noise in overdrive here, it's really
bad talking about the whole coke and that

2722
03:17:52.000 --> 03:17:54.000
captured the heart of people all over
the world for thirty years. Sting says,

2723
03:17:54.319 --> 03:17:58.200
the whole co transcends wrestling, the
one that defines wrestling. I'm talking

2724
03:17:58.200 --> 03:18:03.600
about the amoral greatest of all time, whole Logan. Who hoof what there's

2725
03:18:03.639 --> 03:18:07.000
some some woman in the front row
were in cocktail dresses here at the impact

2726
03:18:07.079 --> 03:18:09.559
zone, so you know what that
means. Plenty of plants, plenty of

2727
03:18:09.639 --> 03:18:13.840
fake signs, blenty people who were
paid to be there, pussy, I

2728
03:18:13.920 --> 03:18:16.040
admit. Sting says, I had
to come out of my skin a bit,

2729
03:18:16.120 --> 03:18:18.920
step out of my comfort zone to
get Whole Cogan to do this.

2730
03:18:18.280 --> 03:18:22.639
So the whole joker Sting thing wasn't
him having a break from reality. It

2731
03:18:22.799 --> 03:18:26.879
was it was a great makes it
so much better that way, right,

2732
03:18:26.040 --> 03:18:28.159
that's wrong my bound for glory,
he says, it was all worth it,

2733
03:18:28.799 --> 03:18:31.159
and it came down at a defining
moment where Whole Cogan was either coming

2734
03:18:31.200 --> 03:18:33.319
to continue to go down the road
he was going down with Eric Bischoff,

2735
03:18:33.360 --> 03:18:35.559
or choose to do the right thing. I'm talking about doing the right thing

2736
03:18:35.600 --> 03:18:39.719
for wrestlers in the back. Oh
God, wrestlers in the back is always

2737
03:18:39.719 --> 03:18:43.440
a phrase that means quality wrestling television. Yeah, no one cares about the

2738
03:18:43.440 --> 03:18:48.760
flag. No one cares about the
guys in the bank. I don't care

2739
03:18:48.760 --> 03:18:50.799
about the boys in the back.
My mom doesn't care about the boys in

2740
03:18:50.959 --> 03:18:54.639
And I don't care that you care
about the boys in the back exactly,

2741
03:18:54.760 --> 03:18:56.040
And I don't care. I think
it's a weirdness that you care about the

2742
03:18:56.079 --> 03:19:00.719
boys in the back. I think
you're a puss exactly in your own business.

2743
03:19:01.479 --> 03:19:05.000
Bitch for wrestling fans like you should
supported him for thirty years. And

2744
03:19:05.040 --> 03:19:07.719
in that defining moment, the real
Hulk Cogan Stings says, the immortal one,

2745
03:19:07.760 --> 03:19:11.040
the greatest of all time, a
true American came home. Hull Cogan,

2746
03:19:11.120 --> 03:19:16.559
please, Sting says, gracis with
your presence. Okay, here he

2747
03:19:16.639 --> 03:19:20.879
comes, and here he is,
Yes, here he comes. Here.

2748
03:19:20.959 --> 03:19:28.239
I got I got some, Hogan, Yeah, I got some. I

2749
03:19:28.319 --> 03:19:31.920
was actually hold on before I go
though, I was curious. So,

2750
03:19:31.079 --> 03:19:35.440
like we've said before, that Stings
great. Now do you think Stings great

2751
03:19:37.719 --> 03:19:41.600
because he's legitimately great in TNA,
Or is it because everything else sucks so

2752
03:19:41.799 --> 03:19:48.079
bad that Sting sucks less. Yeah, it's that, and he sucks so

2753
03:19:48.200 --> 03:19:52.680
bad in promos earlier in his career
that it's just a marvel he is able

2754
03:19:52.680 --> 03:19:54.040
to sort of carry a tune on
the microphone like he is at this point.

2755
03:19:54.159 --> 03:19:58.120
Yeah, yeah, there's no reason
he should be so much more improved

2756
03:19:58.200 --> 03:20:01.000
on the mic I know, like
to me, that would like this should

2757
03:20:01.000 --> 03:20:05.079
have happened in nineteen ninety two.
I bet it was all the Christianity shit.

2758
03:20:05.159 --> 03:20:09.520
You know, he starts hanging around
with those megap preachers and science I

2759
03:20:09.639 --> 03:20:11.959
bet he's some of some of their
Carnie wore off on him, and he

2760
03:20:11.000 --> 03:20:13.520
starts being able to, you know
what I mean, emote like you know,

2761
03:20:15.239 --> 03:20:18.479
well, you know, Steve,
what God would say here? You

2762
03:20:18.559 --> 03:20:24.559
know, God would say, you
know, how can you become more human?

2763
03:20:26.360 --> 03:20:35.520
How can you become an organic?
Guess creature? God intended you to

2764
03:20:35.600 --> 03:20:41.040
be My God intended you to make
California Christianity. Because you know we're talking.

2765
03:20:43.440 --> 03:20:46.680
You know we're talking. We're not
robots, but yet at the same

2766
03:20:46.840 --> 03:20:52.559
time we think we are robots.
And you know what, two years ago

2767
03:20:52.680 --> 03:20:58.840
I thought I was a fish,
but today I realized I'm flesh and blood,

2768
03:20:58.360 --> 03:21:09.200
organic human being and I have desires. Oh where's this going? You

2769
03:21:09.280 --> 03:21:13.799
know, as a human being,
we are flawed and we are we are

2770
03:21:13.920 --> 03:21:22.600
allowed to have human sexual desires.
Oh my god, Steve, do you

2771
03:21:22.719 --> 03:21:33.559
have sexual desires? I go home
now because it's confessional over. I want

2772
03:21:33.600 --> 03:21:48.399
to tell you about my desire.
New shirt, Go ahead, Terry is

2773
03:21:48.440 --> 03:21:54.319
a fucking thing A thank Oka says, Thank God, I don't have to.

2774
03:21:54.399 --> 03:21:58.000
I'm not fucking reciting this one,
and I'm gonna play it for you.

2775
03:21:58.360 --> 03:22:01.520
Well, when you right, you're
right, and you're wrong, you're

2776
03:22:01.559 --> 03:22:05.040
wrong, And I gotta admit for
the last year I've been wrong, and

2777
03:22:05.280 --> 03:22:11.000
thank you guys. You know,
I don't want to blame anybody but myself,

2778
03:22:11.559 --> 03:22:16.040
and I'm not gonna come out here
with a WOESMI story. But I

2779
03:22:16.120 --> 03:22:18.000
had a couple of rough years,
you know, and I got a little

2780
03:22:18.040 --> 03:22:22.760
insecure maybe, and I kind of
started becoming a follower instead of a leader.

2781
03:22:24.239 --> 03:22:26.639
And I gotta give Eric bish Off
his due. He helped me with

2782
03:22:26.719 --> 03:22:31.040
a lot of things, helped me
get my life back together. So I

2783
03:22:31.159 --> 03:22:35.920
started following his lead, and when
it came to the wrestling business, he

2784
03:22:35.200 --> 03:22:41.440
was making some real edgy decisions.
And now that everything's cleared up, I

2785
03:22:41.680 --> 03:22:48.879
realize just how wrong Eric was.
But I'm gonna go back to what I

2786
03:22:50.000 --> 03:22:54.799
said. It's not Eric's fault.
I chose to follow instead of leading.

2787
03:22:54.120 --> 03:22:58.680
But now that I'm back, now
that I'm the red and Yellow Holster from

2788
03:22:58.680 --> 03:23:07.159
the old Day's brother, there's only
one person to thank for that. This

2789
03:23:07.479 --> 03:23:13.239
is the guy that put up with
all my crap for over a year.

2790
03:23:13.799 --> 03:23:20.440
This is a guy who's the true
leader in this ring. This is the

2791
03:23:20.600 --> 03:23:26.639
guy that went way above and beyond
and took every single bullet that was shot

2792
03:23:26.680 --> 03:23:31.079
at him, and he stayed true
to the fans. He stayed true to

2793
03:23:31.239 --> 03:23:35.120
Impact wrestling. And at the end
of the day, when I wasn't bound

2794
03:23:35.200 --> 03:23:39.319
for glory and I was in the
corner of that ring right over there,

2795
03:23:39.920 --> 03:23:43.360
and I saw what I had become. When I saw the pack of wools

2796
03:23:43.719 --> 03:23:50.600
known as a mortal tearing, the
stigmer apart the only true real American icon,

2797
03:23:50.959 --> 03:23:58.280
the Stager. I have no idea. Yes, he is the only

2798
03:23:58.639 --> 03:24:03.440
true American eye, the Stinger.
I saw exactly what was going down.

2799
03:24:03.920 --> 03:24:07.959
And thank god I saw the light
because when Sting crawled to me and said,

2800
03:24:09.040 --> 03:24:13.360
Hogan, please help me, I
heard the fans at Bound for Glory.

2801
03:24:13.879 --> 03:24:18.040
I saw as clear as I've ever
seen it. I saw exactly what

2802
03:24:18.239 --> 03:24:22.920
I had become and who I was
hanging out with. And I'm embarrassed to

2803
03:24:22.000 --> 03:24:28.280
say that's who I used to be. But now brother hul Cogan is back.

2804
03:24:28.879 --> 03:24:35.120
Yeah, And what's you're gonna do
when Haul Hogan and the Stinger run

2805
03:24:35.280 --> 03:24:50.319
wild on you? What are you
gonna do? Man? Thirty more years

2806
03:24:52.680 --> 03:24:58.399
anyway, I can't tell. I
can't tell the maniacs and everybody in the

2807
03:24:58.399 --> 03:25:03.200
Impact zone how amazing this run has
been here. And there's one guy to

2808
03:25:03.280 --> 03:25:05.799
thank, my brother, and that's
you. I love you, I respect

2809
03:25:05.879 --> 03:25:09.840
you. You beat me in the
center of the ring, and you are

2810
03:25:09.920 --> 03:25:13.680
the true life heart. I will
never forget what you did for me to

2811
03:25:13.760 --> 03:25:20.520
thank you. Powerful stuff, absolutely, And the real Hull Cogan is back.

2812
03:25:20.559 --> 03:25:24.479
And he disappears after the show for
like six months. What's the problem?

2813
03:25:24.559 --> 03:25:30.319
So it's fine, um, the
real American Icon And then Sting looks

2814
03:25:30.360 --> 03:25:33.639
down like I'll humbly. He says
that I know what the fuck? Man?

2815
03:25:35.239 --> 03:25:37.920
What the fuck? Well, it's
Hogan's fault, not anybody else's that

2816
03:25:39.000 --> 03:25:43.479
he chose to follow instead of lead. And I think one thing that's been

2817
03:25:43.559 --> 03:25:46.719
very clear throughout all these weeks.
If ten h bosses that Hogan did become

2818
03:25:46.760 --> 03:25:52.200
a follower, didn't he He did. And he's a born leader. That's

2819
03:25:52.280 --> 03:25:56.040
right, born leader, Hull Coogan
in the bright, yellow and red.

2820
03:25:56.600 --> 03:26:01.239
He's not a board leader. Once
again, Sting says, thirty more years

2821
03:26:01.280 --> 03:26:05.719
into the mic hoaxes, is Hogan
still a managing partner. I don't know

2822
03:26:05.799 --> 03:26:09.159
when he got that uh that steak. It was a real thing, as

2823
03:26:09.200 --> 03:26:13.319
we discovered in the transcript, right, but I don't know when he had

2824
03:26:13.360 --> 03:26:16.319
it, when he lost it,
If he lost it, I don't know.

2825
03:26:16.760 --> 03:26:20.200
I wasn't sure if that was part
of the stipulations of the match,

2826
03:26:20.879 --> 03:26:28.040
that what he lost his managing partnership
had to sell his stock Jack Roller.

2827
03:26:30.079 --> 03:26:33.920
I can tell maniacs by everybody in
the Impact zone how amazing this run has

2828
03:26:33.959 --> 03:26:35.840
been. One man to think,
I love you, all respect to you.

2829
03:26:35.959 --> 03:26:37.680
You beat me in the center of
the ring, he says to Sting,

2830
03:26:37.760 --> 03:26:39.680
and you are the true icon.
I will never forget what you did

2831
03:26:39.719 --> 03:26:43.559
for me. Thank you. Okay, his music hits, Hulk leaves and

2832
03:26:43.680 --> 03:27:01.120
now it's time to move on with
impact. Sting fucking hell beside me ranging

2833
03:27:01.360 --> 03:27:45.799
out river struck down. Who God, she really have to do that?

2834
03:27:46.879 --> 03:27:54.000
Yes, Dixie's back. Oh she
strides out with her arms swinging, terrified

2835
03:27:54.040 --> 03:27:58.159
to strip on the stage with her
sky high chunky boots. N you imagine

2836
03:27:58.159 --> 03:28:03.799
it's like if one of her fucking
like you know, needle needle sized heels,

2837
03:28:03.920 --> 03:28:09.520
fucking went into the rank raiding risk
at all, even if you lose

2838
03:28:09.760 --> 03:28:15.360
and she didn't. I wonder why
hell couldn't be in the ring for this.

2839
03:28:15.639 --> 03:28:16.639
He's supposed to be like the Big
Thing, right, He's like,

2840
03:28:16.719 --> 03:28:20.079
I know, the Big the Big
Reunion, knowledging, the hand off,

2841
03:28:20.159 --> 03:28:22.959
the Dixie. I what if there's
trouble in Paradise, Brother Thing says,

2842
03:28:24.000 --> 03:28:28.799
this is the day Dixie gets her
company back. But a dozen a race

2843
03:28:28.840 --> 03:28:31.000
would happened eighteen months ago. I
tried to talk to you, show you

2844
03:28:31.079 --> 03:28:33.920
the light, the inner workings of
how the wrestling business works. And there's

2845
03:28:33.920 --> 03:28:37.440
a lot of chess players out here, and you found out the hard way.

2846
03:28:37.479 --> 03:28:41.760
It's a tough business. Even though
the company was lost. We got

2847
03:28:41.799 --> 03:28:43.319
it back. Now. You did
the right thing. When I didn't have

2848
03:28:43.319 --> 03:28:46.159
any chance at all, I thought
it was I was done with wrestling Dixie.

2849
03:28:48.360 --> 03:28:50.000
Oh yeah, here here, this
is him that when he does this

2850
03:28:50.120 --> 03:28:54.120
fucking thing. When I thought that
I was completely done with wrestling Dixie,

2851
03:28:54.559 --> 03:29:03.600
you you gave me a second chance. And and what's phenomenal about is you

2852
03:29:03.799 --> 03:29:07.159
gave me a home right here in
TNA. You gave me a home right

2853
03:29:07.239 --> 03:29:13.079
here with this brand, Dixie.
I love this place. I loved impactricks

2854
03:29:13.200 --> 03:29:20.520
place. Yes, this brand,
TNA brand, this place, Impact Wrestling.

2855
03:29:22.520 --> 03:29:24.959
I love this place. So we're
just gonna keep doing this. Then,

2856
03:29:26.559 --> 03:29:33.280
I love. I thought the end
of the Hogan takeover storyline storyline could

2857
03:29:33.319 --> 03:29:39.360
bring all this to an end.
I love its help they have one storyline.

2858
03:29:41.280 --> 03:29:48.639
I love it all. I'm my
mom. I love wherever I am.

2859
03:29:52.360 --> 03:30:00.399
I love Oh hi, abyss as
of you to contribute. Oh my

2860
03:30:00.520 --> 03:30:07.799
god, do you have no doubt? I'm goodbye Straw. Do you have

2861
03:30:07.920 --> 03:30:13.879
no doubt? I'm gonna tell you
I've never had a doubt, no doubt.

2862
03:30:15.559 --> 03:30:20.440
Can we think back peak of TNA? Him would like the trunks with

2863
03:30:20.559 --> 03:30:28.159
the blood written down him like in
DNA, looking like that. It just

2864
03:30:28.559 --> 03:30:35.000
got all. That's what's so galling
to me. Don't you fucking do this?

2865
03:30:35.680 --> 03:30:41.760
I don't think that time is now
straight up, strawberries are scribbled.

2866
03:30:41.879 --> 03:31:07.120
Strawberry. You are the motherfucking Christol, You're clone. You getting that ass?

2867
03:31:07.360 --> 03:31:20.360
Two fans have been tricked again,
going on here the whole thing.

2868
03:31:20.479 --> 03:31:43.760
So keep bony blooney whistling fans.
It's pain. Huh. Can you can

2869
03:31:43.840 --> 03:31:50.239
you handle the reality that is?
Time for me to the flower? Total

2870
03:31:50.399 --> 03:32:09.319
NonStop attention, manstop aal attention.
Absolutely, it's good times over here.

2871
03:32:11.600 --> 03:32:39.959
Oh yeah, boom boom oh I'm
in pain. I could feel like um.

2872
03:32:41.000 --> 03:32:46.879
It's almost like the first bite is
like the piece of newspaper that's on

2873
03:32:46.000 --> 03:32:50.040
fire in the house, and by
the time it's over, the whole houses

2874
03:32:50.079 --> 03:32:58.840
and flames and it goes just like
that ship. Probably do it, that's

2875
03:32:58.920 --> 03:33:20.399
right. Wipe my eyes now.
One. Two? Why do these people

2876
03:33:20.879 --> 03:33:26.600
talk like this? Why? Why
does he gonna fucking say stupid shit?

2877
03:33:28.360 --> 03:33:31.920
Why isn't three okay to say?
Why do you have to know bress that

2878
03:33:31.079 --> 03:33:37.799
up? Why can't why? Why
why can't you talk like a normal human

2879
03:33:37.920 --> 03:33:41.040
being? Is that too much to
ask? I mean, my god,

2880
03:33:43.600 --> 03:33:52.479
threnoli idiot. All right? So
then and then Sting says, uh,

2881
03:33:54.920 --> 03:34:01.479
you have to not let this happen
again. Basically, okay, you have

2882
03:34:01.559 --> 03:34:05.799
to make sure the same mistake can't
be made a second time. I'm thinking,

2883
03:34:05.200 --> 03:34:07.840
you do not want us to stick
around, Steve, you do not

2884
03:34:09.000 --> 03:34:13.600
want us stick around. So Dixie
has some messages here for the impact,

2885
03:34:13.639 --> 03:34:16.479
faithful. I don't know if you
have that or if I need to try

2886
03:34:16.479 --> 03:34:18.520
to do what I do. Oh, come on, are you kidding me?

2887
03:34:18.639 --> 03:34:22.360
Man? If she speaks, I
got it, because it's just too

2888
03:34:22.520 --> 03:34:28.440
fucking good. Here we go.
The same mistake cannot be made a second

2889
03:34:28.479 --> 03:34:33.799
time. This is your second chance. Thank you, thank you sincerely.

2890
03:34:35.280 --> 03:34:37.440
And first of all, I have
to apologize to you. You are right,

2891
03:34:39.159 --> 03:34:43.639
You're right all along, and I
didn't listen to you, to all

2892
03:34:43.680 --> 03:34:48.120
the wrestlers in the back, and
to all of you fans. I want

2893
03:34:48.159 --> 03:34:52.040
to say I'm sorry, and I
assure you, no, I promise you,

2894
03:34:52.680 --> 03:34:58.719
I promise you I will not make
that same mistake againstake. I promise

2895
03:34:58.799 --> 03:35:05.639
you. Because my place is not
here in the ring. My place,

2896
03:35:07.000 --> 03:35:09.559
my role in this company is making
sure it's going to be the best that

2897
03:35:09.639 --> 03:35:13.879
it can be. And like you
Sting, I'm a fighter, and this

2898
03:35:13.079 --> 03:35:16.440
last year, if it's done anything
to me, it has made me want

2899
03:35:16.479 --> 03:35:20.440
to fight harder than I've ever fought
in my life to make this company the

2900
03:35:20.520 --> 03:35:33.319
most successful wrestling company in the world
to do so. But to do so,

2901
03:35:33.200 --> 03:35:37.799
I'm going to have to spend a
lot more time at headquarters focusing on

2902
03:35:37.959 --> 03:35:43.239
my role as president of this company
once again. And what that means is

2903
03:35:45.079 --> 03:35:50.639
I need you. I need you
to step in and help me run the

2904
03:35:50.719 --> 03:35:58.440
day to day wrestling operations of this
company. To see listen, I will

2905
03:35:58.479 --> 03:36:03.399
give you all the authority to do
whatever you need to and impact wrestling to

2906
03:36:03.600 --> 03:36:07.280
make it the best it can be, to turn this place around. But

2907
03:36:07.399 --> 03:36:09.000
I'm dealing with a lot of stuff
right now, things I've got a way

2908
03:36:09.079 --> 03:36:13.280
through and figure out. And while
I'm doing it, if you would please,

2909
03:36:13.559 --> 03:36:16.319
I know you have gone to bat
for me so much since the day

2910
03:36:16.399 --> 03:36:20.520
you step foot in this company.
You have not stopped fighting for me or

2911
03:36:20.639 --> 03:36:24.120
for this company, and we need
you now more than ever to help us

2912
03:36:24.159 --> 03:36:30.200
turn this thing around. Are you
willing to do it? Thanks? Sure?

2913
03:36:31.200 --> 03:36:41.680
Sure? Sure, sure yeah I'm
willing to do that. Student,

2914
03:36:41.959 --> 03:36:46.440
I just want to say to you. I want to say, thanks God,

2915
03:36:46.600 --> 03:36:50.399
you for not giving up on me, for believing in me, were

2916
03:36:50.440 --> 03:36:58.959
giving me a nick a chance.
Thanks Ollie Anderson for the student Guyscorpion by

2917
03:36:58.559 --> 03:37:18.600
true say did she talk? Should
accompany one more time? Do it?

2918
03:37:20.639 --> 03:37:37.799
Shame company? Dixie Dixie carn Can
we stop with this woman? Can we

2919
03:37:39.000 --> 03:37:50.200
stop saying her name on television?
Please? She so second fucking over coming

2920
03:37:50.440 --> 03:37:58.360
for your company? Good time with
tombshing? Do say and drive it right

2921
03:37:58.440 --> 03:38:18.959
to the ocean. Tie you're reckoning. It sounds so profound and it doesn't

2922
03:38:18.959 --> 03:38:22.840
mean anything. It's nothing at all. Thanks Ole Anderson for the Black Scorpion

2923
03:38:22.959 --> 03:38:28.799
voice. Again, this thing turned
this thing around? I mean they're still

2924
03:38:28.840 --> 03:38:33.680
turning this thing around. It's October
twenty eleven, folks. I mean it

2925
03:38:33.840 --> 03:38:37.639
might not be turned aroundable. It
seems like they've been turning this thing around

2926
03:38:37.680 --> 03:38:45.000
since two thousand and four or thousand
and two. Brother, this is just

2927
03:38:45.120 --> 03:38:48.040
such a trip. These fucking weirdos
in their coded language and ship. Oh,

2928
03:38:48.159 --> 03:38:52.120
they're so stupid. Sting has gloves
on the whole time. By the

2929
03:38:52.200 --> 03:38:54.040
way, he still has those gloves
on. Hey, you know what,

2930
03:38:54.120 --> 03:38:58.280
he knew COVID was coming. So
they hug and then Angle comes out and

2931
03:38:58.360 --> 03:39:07.120
he's all pissed off today, said
Tonay. Shouts out that Sting is in

2932
03:39:07.239 --> 03:39:13.920
an authority role. Angle grabs the
microL says, not only that's what's so

2933
03:39:13.600 --> 03:39:16.639
going to do. We have one
superhero in this ring. We have two.

2934
03:39:18.120 --> 03:39:20.479
We have Sting and we have Dixie
Carter, the woman that lied to

2935
03:39:20.600 --> 03:39:22.639
me, Angle says, made me
look like a jackass and is the sole

2936
03:39:22.719 --> 03:39:26.680
reason I joined Immortal Or was this
spot supposed to be for Robert Rude?

2937
03:39:26.719 --> 03:39:31.600
He says, cut to a Robert
got a Rude, got screwed sign,

2938
03:39:31.680 --> 03:39:37.280
which is as planted as any garden
you'll ever see. I know you're turn

2939
03:39:37.360 --> 03:39:41.799
You're running company at HQ, and
now Sting is in charge of the Impact

2940
03:39:41.879 --> 03:39:45.000
Zone. Angle says, I'm going
to do what I do best and let's

2941
03:39:45.040 --> 03:39:48.760
represent this company as world heavyweight champion. Whether you like it or not,

2942
03:39:48.200 --> 03:40:09.879
Dixie Carter, I am coming for
you. I can see, I can

2943
03:40:09.159 --> 03:40:24.000
see exactly what's your future entails,
and I am going to end your future

2944
03:40:24.760 --> 03:40:35.360
before it begins. I will feast. He leaves it at that I will

2945
03:40:35.520 --> 03:40:46.040
feast. I will feast on your
dreams. I will feast on your desire,

2946
03:40:48.520 --> 03:41:00.520
and I will feast on your company. I do not know you got

2947
03:41:00.639 --> 03:41:16.399
no water is coming? You shatisfy
my hunger. I can telling you that

2948
03:41:18.559 --> 03:41:30.760
I will satisfy my hunger. That
guy, that guy not going to worry

2949
03:41:30.799 --> 03:41:35.399
about folks. He just is going
to satisfy his hunger one way or another.

2950
03:42:00.040 --> 03:42:30.000
Oh oh, your hats off.
You do of coming because you because

2951
03:42:30.040 --> 03:42:35.159
here's here's what happened is that I
was like, I was like, okay,

2952
03:42:35.200 --> 03:42:35.840
you know, I said, this
would be kind of funny if I

2953
03:42:35.920 --> 03:42:39.639
just put the thing back down while
I'm laughing. But then I hear myself

2954
03:42:39.799 --> 03:42:45.200
laughing in that fucking voice, and
I just just keeps me going. It's

2955
03:42:45.239 --> 03:42:48.600
like I can't start. It feeds
off itself. Oh my god, it's

2956
03:42:48.639 --> 03:43:16.920
so stupid. Oh Dixie Carder,
no fucking money, She's card He will

2957
03:43:18.040 --> 03:43:48.760
feasted on your thigh and your thigh
so fu hard. Can do it?

2958
03:43:48.159 --> 03:43:52.719
You can do it? Pull the
nose up on this thing, dialing in,

2959
03:43:54.799 --> 03:44:15.360
I have a rasingd on Dixie Carter
shot. Oh god, all right,

2960
03:44:15.719 --> 03:44:26.319
brother, what's really wor right now? Oh? Yeah, colonel is

2961
03:44:26.319 --> 03:44:33.079
in the run. Oh yeahs of
interesting things. He says. Not only

2962
03:44:33.120 --> 03:44:35.040
do we have one superhero in the
ring, we have two. We have

2963
03:44:35.079 --> 03:44:37.879
Sting and we have Dixie Carter,
the woman that lied to me, made

2964
03:44:37.920 --> 03:44:39.639
me look like a jackass and is
the sole reason I joined Immortal Or was

2965
03:44:39.719 --> 03:44:43.440
this spot supposed to be for Robert
Rude to cut to the planted Rude got

2966
03:44:43.520 --> 03:44:46.520
screwed sign? Like I said,
I know you're running the company headquarters and

2967
03:44:46.559 --> 03:44:50.120
now Sting is in charge of the
Impact Zone. I'm gonna do what I

2968
03:44:50.319 --> 03:44:54.079
do best and represent this company's world
heavyweight champion, whether you like it or

2969
03:44:54.120 --> 03:44:56.159
not, Dixie Carter. Sting says, all you've been talking about is Bobby

2970
03:44:56.239 --> 03:44:58.840
Rude made him look like a hero. You know what I did to him

2971
03:44:58.879 --> 03:45:01.600
at for Glory in just thirty minutes, he says, I've been able like

2972
03:45:01.639 --> 03:45:05.879
a loser. That's what Kurt Angle
says to Sting. That's right, I'm

2973
03:45:05.920 --> 03:45:09.200
the better man. And then beer
Money song hits and Rude comes out with

2974
03:45:09.319 --> 03:45:15.040
a purpose this part of the Untucked
button up Brigade. Oh I know,

2975
03:45:15.280 --> 03:45:18.799
are you kidding me? Kurtie says, you didn't take that victory Angle nods,

2976
03:45:18.840 --> 03:45:20.319
it's kind a funny. Angle here. He's kind of like angles,

2977
03:45:20.680 --> 03:45:24.360
you know, it is really funny. He's actually pretty good here. He's

2978
03:45:24.399 --> 03:45:28.280
like, yeah, thank you,
thanks, Yeah. Screwed me for that

2979
03:45:28.399 --> 03:45:31.280
title, holding the ropes. For
thirteen years of my life, I've given

2980
03:45:31.319 --> 03:45:33.920
everything for that one moment. All
my dreams and goals rolled into one night,

2981
03:45:33.959 --> 03:45:35.879
and you, son of a bitch, you screwed me. Well,

2982
03:45:35.879 --> 03:45:37.719
you did it. Bound for Glory
was absolutely please, But of course he

2983
03:45:37.760 --> 03:45:41.760
said bullshit. Maybe there's nothing I
can do about it now. But they

2984
03:45:41.799 --> 03:45:43.399
start channing rematch, and Sting cuts
him off and says, I saw what

2985
03:45:43.520 --> 03:45:46.399
happened, and I see this Rude
got screwed sign. That's how you know

2986
03:45:46.479 --> 03:45:50.079
it's a plant, Dixie. I
have your permission here right per a conversation,

2987
03:45:50.120 --> 03:45:52.639
to make a match, and she
says, of course, So tonight

2988
03:45:54.360 --> 03:45:56.840
in this ring for that world title, Kurt Angle and Bobby Rude are going

2989
03:45:56.879 --> 03:46:00.760
to get in here tonight for the
championship. They pop for that. Can

2990
03:46:00.840 --> 03:46:03.479
I say something though about Bobby Rude? Yes, shouldn't he shouldn't Rude take

2991
03:46:03.559 --> 03:46:09.040
some responsibility and admit that you know, it's not just I mean he's very

2992
03:46:09.520 --> 03:46:13.040
victimy here, Yeah, you screwed
me. It's like, but you should

2993
03:46:13.079 --> 03:46:20.000
have known. Well, that's that's
well you should you say they very purposely.

2994
03:46:20.079 --> 03:46:24.120
I think had Cody not do that
after WrestleMania this year, right,

2995
03:46:24.200 --> 03:46:26.399
he never once said like, yeah, what what the fuck? Solo interfered

2996
03:46:26.479 --> 03:46:30.559
like that's bullshit, you know,
like I did told you. He didn't

2997
03:46:30.600 --> 03:46:31.639
mention it once, And I think
that's how they view. It's like,

2998
03:46:33.040 --> 03:46:35.920
you cannot have a baby face make
excuses for his loss, even if they're

2999
03:46:35.920 --> 03:46:39.760
totally value not at all, like
I mean, you should say you know,

3000
03:46:39.840 --> 03:46:41.600
he say, you know what,
I should have figured you were going

3001
03:46:41.639 --> 03:46:45.360
to cheat to me, that's a
little bit more, you know. Instead,

3002
03:46:45.399 --> 03:46:50.079
he's fucking playing victim here. And
it's it's not a tick that because

3003
03:46:50.079 --> 03:46:54.520
I always wonder like, are they
you know, are they trying to prevent

3004
03:46:54.680 --> 03:46:58.159
something that wouldn't happen anyway that people
would have these notions about the baby face

3005
03:46:58.159 --> 03:47:01.159
if he were to complained about losing, because I feel like it's more natural,

3006
03:47:01.280 --> 03:47:03.440
it feels more real if the guy's
fucking furious that it went down this

3007
03:47:03.559 --> 03:47:07.000
way and he was, well,
no, he should be furious. Let

3008
03:47:07.000 --> 03:47:09.200
me. I mean, I want
to say he should be furious that it

3009
03:47:09.280 --> 03:47:13.520
happened, because you know it would
be bullshit, but he should also not

3010
03:47:13.680 --> 03:47:18.680
just like he's just pointing at Kurt
Angle you screwed me. It's like,

3011
03:47:18.000 --> 03:47:22.319
man, you know, I mean, yeah, listen, he had a

3012
03:47:22.399 --> 03:47:26.879
part in it, no question,
But so did you. You had a

3013
03:47:26.959 --> 03:47:31.799
part in it for not for for
not preparing for the catchy with the angle

3014
03:47:31.840 --> 03:47:37.520
slam. Right next world Champ Chant
breaks out, angle smiling really staying really.

3015
03:47:37.600 --> 03:47:41.520
I mean, also, it's not
like it's not like he fucking kicked

3016
03:47:41.559 --> 03:47:45.799
out at any point or even you
know, try to struggle free. He

3017
03:47:45.959 --> 03:47:52.360
was done so broesing, you know, Angle smiling really staying really, Dixie.

3018
03:47:52.440 --> 03:47:54.399
When you and I signed the contract, I had put a little tiny

3019
03:47:54.479 --> 03:47:58.559
stipulation in there. Yeah, I
got I got some of this for you

3020
03:47:58.719 --> 03:48:03.360
here, dude. When you and
I signed a contract for the main event

3021
03:48:03.440 --> 03:48:09.079
about for Glory, I had Hulkogan
and Eric Bischoff put a little tiny stipulation

3022
03:48:09.159 --> 03:48:13.360
to contract. Hold on a second, Bobby, you're gonna like this.

3023
03:48:15.799 --> 03:48:24.159
It said that you, Bobby Rude, can only wrestle me once you know

3024
03:48:24.280 --> 03:48:28.040
what we did then, because you
are a threat. You are the real

3025
03:48:28.159 --> 03:48:35.440
deal, and yes I screwed your
ass, but yeah, but you know

3026
03:48:35.559 --> 03:48:41.079
what I did what I had to
do to win there it is. I'm

3027
03:48:41.079 --> 03:48:45.680
all about that. I am all
about that. Well, it is true.

3028
03:48:45.840 --> 03:48:48.360
That's like a thing and boxing and
stuff. You get a contracts is

3029
03:48:48.360 --> 03:48:52.840
your only shot. Yep, you
know, I think it's all great.

3030
03:48:52.920 --> 03:48:56.280
I love hes kind of like honesty
about it and like, nope, you're

3031
03:48:56.280 --> 03:49:00.799
a threat. I'm fucking screwed you, man. Yeah, it doesn't put

3032
03:49:00.879 --> 03:49:05.360
Bobby Rude down. And here comes
Storm, James Storm out in his hat

3033
03:49:05.399 --> 03:49:07.799
and ripped jeans and top two buttons
on buttons, sipping beer because you know

3034
03:49:07.879 --> 03:49:13.559
this segment is a long let's get
some more talking please, and he says,

3035
03:49:13.639 --> 03:49:18.799
you know how he what contract does
the clause say? Okay, yeah,

3036
03:49:18.280 --> 03:49:22.159
you don't have a contract clause that
says that saves your ass against me?

3037
03:49:22.799 --> 03:49:26.280
James Storm says, of course,
as the partner and close friend of

3038
03:49:26.399 --> 03:49:31.079
Bobby Rude, an Angle backs up
like I'm not wrestling you and Sworm I

3039
03:49:31.319 --> 03:49:35.559
listen again, I'm on I'm on
Angles side here. Yeah for this,

3040
03:49:35.879 --> 03:49:41.040
Because he brings up a good point
like you know what, where where is

3041
03:49:41.159 --> 03:49:45.719
a storm on the contenders list no
where to be found. You know exactly,

3042
03:49:45.879 --> 03:49:48.239
Pound for glory. You screwed these
fans, Impact and Bobby. And

3043
03:49:48.319 --> 03:49:50.319
without all that screwing you've been doing, you've been a pretty busy man.

3044
03:49:50.399 --> 03:49:54.239
But when you screwed Bobby Rude,
James Storm says, you kind of screwed

3045
03:49:54.280 --> 03:49:56.799
the old cowboy. James Storm as
well takes his glasses off and says,

3046
03:49:56.840 --> 03:49:58.239
we get a problem now, Kurt, I know a person at this little

3047
03:49:58.239 --> 03:50:03.879
party that could stop up at Sting
and seeing we both wear sunglasses indoors,

3048
03:50:03.079 --> 03:50:07.000
James Storm says to Sting, that's
really see, Bobby Rude can't get a

3049
03:50:07.040 --> 03:50:09.399
rematch, and these people want to
see a world title match right here tonight,

3050
03:50:09.440 --> 03:50:11.639
and they pop for that. Angles
says, hold on a second,

3051
03:50:11.680 --> 03:50:13.840
I think you need to stop drinking
on the job, and of course,

3052
03:50:15.440 --> 03:50:18.719
James Storm quickly takes a chug of
beer. At that point, he says,

3053
03:50:18.760 --> 03:50:20.440
there's ten guys in front of you
who are challenging, right, that's

3054
03:50:20.559 --> 03:50:24.120
right. See Sting says, I
think I'm really starting to like this new

3055
03:50:24.159 --> 03:50:26.680
position of mine. Kurt, He's
not number one, he says, shut

3056
03:50:26.760 --> 03:50:31.920
up, as Kurt Kurt pipes up, he's not number one contender. Insta

3057
03:50:31.000 --> 03:50:33.479
cuts him off. Shut up.
Tonight for the world title, you're going

3058
03:50:33.959 --> 03:50:37.040
to face James Storm and angles pissed
and rude, grabs the mic and says,

3059
03:50:37.079 --> 03:50:41.959
I remember what my well, my
partner says, sorry about your damn

3060
03:50:43.079 --> 03:50:46.639
luck. Doesn't quite worry the same
with a Canadian accent. Now, so

3061
03:50:46.760 --> 03:50:48.440
we fast forward. Later in the
show, we see Eric bish I mean

3062
03:50:48.559 --> 03:50:52.920
seriously, like like if I were
one of the other contenders who've been working

3063
03:50:52.000 --> 03:50:58.319
my a off, be furious totally. Later on in the show, we

3064
03:50:58.360 --> 03:51:01.319
see Eric Bischoff with Immortalist muscle Walk
in the Hotel can down stage and here

3065
03:51:01.399 --> 03:51:09.680
you go, Hey Hulk, sir, where you going? Pal? You

3066
03:51:09.719 --> 03:51:11.440
don't want to leave without saying goodbye
to us, do you? Yeah?

3067
03:51:11.799 --> 03:51:15.280
No, guys, sit back,
sit back, It's all right. Let's

3068
03:51:15.319 --> 03:51:18.440
give the man some room here.
See, we don't want anything to go

3069
03:51:18.520 --> 03:51:20.799
down here. We wanted to go
down to the ring tonight. I see,

3070
03:51:20.840 --> 03:51:26.680
we want to say goodbye our way. I've got something that I like

3071
03:51:26.760 --> 03:51:33.239
to share with you, just one
last party meeting. So if you've got

3072
03:51:33.280 --> 03:51:39.000
any balls left after you've handed him
over to sting handed one over to Dixie

3073
03:51:39.520 --> 03:51:43.479
and whatever's left of your manhood,
why don't you bring it with you to

3074
03:51:43.600 --> 03:51:46.879
the ring? Just face me,
one on one. Let me get something

3075
03:51:46.959 --> 03:51:52.200
off my chests. How about a
hulkster? Yep for that. Let's go

3076
03:51:52.360 --> 03:51:54.879
guys. Let him think about it. Let's see if he's got any balls

3077
03:51:56.079 --> 03:52:07.200
left. See hockey later tonight.
Where where was he going? Hogan are

3078
03:52:07.040 --> 03:52:15.079
leaving? Well, he's no longer, you know, he's no longer you

3079
03:52:15.120 --> 03:52:18.719
know, so longer his company.
So he just leaves shut and why not?

3080
03:52:18.920 --> 03:52:20.120
Yeah? Yeah, so he says
nothing. He just stands there like

3081
03:52:20.159 --> 03:52:22.680
a I know he does. He
does just stand there, mute. I

3082
03:52:22.719 --> 03:52:26.000
wonder if he I wonder if he
has a cause in his contracts, as

3083
03:52:26.000 --> 03:52:28.040
if he has more than a certain
amount of lines, he has to get

3084
03:52:28.079 --> 03:52:33.120
paid a ton of money. Oh, it's a fun consideration. So yeah,

3085
03:52:33.319 --> 03:52:37.280
Fortunately for all of us. Bischoff
comes out later to his music Hang

3086
03:52:37.520 --> 03:52:39.520
Hang Hang. At the time,
he's working on a TV show with Jason

3087
03:52:39.559 --> 03:52:46.520
Hervey called Daddy's Home starring Scott Beyo, Oh God, regular comedy where Beyo

3088
03:52:46.559 --> 03:52:48.920
would play a former TV star who
becomes a stay at home dad as part

3089
03:52:48.959 --> 03:52:52.520
of an agreement with his actress wife, who now goes back to full time

3090
03:52:52.600 --> 03:52:56.479
soap opera work. Sounds like great
stuff. So Bischoff comes to the ring

3091
03:52:56.520 --> 03:52:58.280
with a scowl on his face,
with his shirt tucked into those jeans that

3092
03:52:58.360 --> 03:53:01.799
everyone loved to then those true religion
jeans with the faded front to them.

3093
03:53:03.840 --> 03:53:07.319
Get Bully and Steiner and Gunner,
Today's eric Bishops, the whole Empire,

3094
03:53:07.360 --> 03:53:09.959
slip the whole fucking thing. More
fucking talking. How can we how can

3095
03:53:11.000 --> 03:53:13.040
we still talk with a straight face
about the immortal Empire. It's like three

3096
03:53:13.120 --> 03:53:16.520
guys, it's such a joke.
It's such a joke, and they're all

3097
03:53:16.559 --> 03:53:20.399
fucking without Hulk Cogan or some kind
of you know, main event force.

3098
03:53:20.479 --> 03:53:28.360
They're jokes, total yep. But
I got I got this one on Hogan

3099
03:53:28.399 --> 03:53:35.879
does get involved again out yep.
I'm gonna take care of that punk ass

3100
03:53:35.000 --> 03:53:41.120
kid of mine on my own time
and in my own way. But right

3101
03:53:41.200 --> 03:53:46.280
now I love to address Paul Cogan. I tells you earlier, if you

3102
03:53:46.399 --> 03:53:50.959
hand any balls, you show up
and face me in this way because I've

3103
03:53:50.040 --> 03:53:58.120
got something to say. Hulk Hogan, show us what you careful, what

3104
03:53:58.200 --> 03:54:07.159
you have because mightn't mean we nickname
mamam not no madam not no, I'm

3105
03:54:07.239 --> 03:54:13.079
not no my dam not no my
daa now o daana no he s my

3106
03:54:13.319 --> 03:54:22.680
momn him ma, my mamy,
my ma sham, mam, mam,

3107
03:54:24.360 --> 03:54:33.799
mama, my mind right now and
now o maam now madam not no my

3108
03:54:33.959 --> 03:54:39.760
dam not now he cant I'm not
no my dam not no my dam not

3109
03:54:39.040 --> 03:54:58.479
now am h by f bout easy
osios ch chechnam b ba now madam not

3110
03:54:58.799 --> 03:55:05.399
now my Da'm something to say,
Bischoff, You got one chance to spit

3111
03:55:05.479 --> 03:55:09.440
it out right now. Yeah,
I've got a lot to say. And

3112
03:55:09.600 --> 03:55:13.040
I hope you picked a lunch because
it's gonna take me a while to get

3113
03:55:13.079 --> 03:55:18.000
all of this off my chest.
Make sense. Foremost, how in that

3114
03:55:18.200 --> 03:55:22.920
hell can you explain turning your back
by the guys that have been protecting your

3115
03:55:22.959 --> 03:55:33.040
ass for the last eighteen months?
How dare you turn on immortal a lot

3116
03:55:33.079 --> 03:55:41.319
of And if that wasn't bad enough, you turned your back on me,

3117
03:55:41.360 --> 03:55:48.159
the guy that made Paul Cooker.
Forget about this, Andre the giant how

3118
03:55:48.239 --> 03:55:52.639
Comania Back in the eighties and nineties, I got the man solely responsible for

3119
03:55:52.760 --> 03:55:56.319
Lincoln, who you think of you? Who you are today? If it

3120
03:55:56.440 --> 03:56:03.280
worked for me, you wouldn't be
here. Thanks affect, Jack, But

3121
03:56:03.440 --> 03:56:11.600
the worst defect you could have committed
was to get between me and my son.

3122
03:56:13.159 --> 03:56:20.319
How dare you get between a father
and a son? How dare you

3123
03:56:20.520 --> 03:56:24.920
corrupt him? You know? I
had him right where we needed him,

3124
03:56:24.040 --> 03:56:30.799
right where we wanted him. I
had him becoming me, ready to do

3125
03:56:30.920 --> 03:56:35.399
whatever it took to get the job
done, until you got into his head.

3126
03:56:35.600 --> 03:56:41.200
And instead of getting a job done, that punk kid turned his back

3127
03:56:41.360 --> 03:56:46.000
on me. How dare you?
Will you know something, brother? In

3128
03:56:46.200 --> 03:56:52.319
the last couples, I've learned all
about you, and I've learned a lot

3129
03:56:52.639 --> 03:56:58.959
about your son, Garrett Bischoff.
And the one thing I've found out brother,

3130
03:57:00.200 --> 03:57:05.239
that Garrett is that Garrett is one
hell of a man, a man

3131
03:57:05.639 --> 03:57:11.000
that you could never be, a
man that you could never be. Erret

3132
03:57:30.840 --> 03:57:35.760
shop with the same. And this
is what your ward holing you just love

3133
03:57:35.799 --> 03:57:43.120
it to the world? Who he
said? Stand side in? What do

3134
03:57:43.239 --> 03:57:46.360
the fut ever holding? Play?
Your feel just got a little bit more

3135
03:57:46.479 --> 03:58:05.360
little di is it over? This
is you got standing talk you morning?

3136
03:58:05.600 --> 03:58:16.120
I'm backing up right And he backs
right into Garrett. How do you pay

3137
03:58:18.719 --> 03:58:28.440
let's bishof sunnits, that's Garrett bishof
sait. How dare you? How dare

3138
03:58:28.600 --> 03:58:37.040
you? Eric? Turn around here? Don't turn around? Oh god,

3139
03:58:37.120 --> 03:58:41.360
you got fucking to say to me? How you come up? You're all

3140
03:58:41.479 --> 03:58:48.200
slee ther face? What are you
got to say to me? Who are

3141
03:58:48.239 --> 03:59:01.319
you going to say to me?
Just get just dare me. I don't

3142
03:59:01.440 --> 03:59:05.680
ever want to see you getting my
face again. You want to put the

3143
03:59:05.760 --> 03:59:11.959
shirt off in their tattoo. You
don't have a right to wear that name.

3144
03:59:11.360 --> 03:59:18.600
Oh my god, you're up?
Bish off? You are? How

3145
03:59:18.719 --> 03:59:26.719
you just look back to hell?
Want to see you again? Right hand?

3146
03:59:26.840 --> 03:59:35.360
Dad goes bish off. He just
drop his own father. Screw your

3147
03:59:35.440 --> 03:59:39.520
dad, screw you day. What
do you think, boss? Compelling television?

3148
03:59:41.280 --> 03:59:45.280
M hmm, it's fine. He
has a Bischof tattoo over his I

3149
03:59:45.360 --> 03:59:50.000
mean that's really what are you doing? Man? I mean honestly, I

3150
03:59:50.120 --> 03:59:54.760
mean what you get that much pride
for your fucking family name? So bizarre?

3151
03:59:56.200 --> 03:59:58.399
So yeah, it ends with Garrett
decking Eric, and we're after the

3152
03:59:58.479 --> 04:00:01.840
races with the he too. He
sends the thumbs up to hog sting.

3153
04:00:01.920 --> 04:00:05.120
Oh why couldn't Garrettischef just get in
the ring and actually help Hogan and staying

3154
04:00:05.200 --> 04:00:09.280
face off on the instead of just
stand at the top of the ramp and

3155
04:00:09.360 --> 04:00:13.479
wait for them to defend for themselves. Today shouts he is his own man.

3156
04:00:15.440 --> 04:00:18.239
Thanks Today. Backstage, Storm on
his way to the ring for the

3157
04:00:18.280 --> 04:00:22.200
match with Kurt Angle, and he
frets to Bobby Rude that he wished he

3158
04:00:22.200 --> 04:00:24.600
had a little more time to prepare, and Rude gets pissed at that suggestion.

3159
04:00:24.719 --> 04:00:26.719
What did you say. You've been
praying for this your entire life,

3160
04:00:26.760 --> 04:00:28.360
et cetera, et ceter I think
they're playing on the India. That James

3161
04:00:28.360 --> 04:00:33.159
Storm had kind of like a Debbie
Downer mentality, and you know, kind

3162
04:00:33.159 --> 04:00:35.559
of had like a sourpuss face.
If he had to do something he didn't

3163
04:00:35.600 --> 04:00:37.159
want to do. On his way
to the ring, he could tell if

3164
04:00:37.200 --> 04:00:39.479
he was gonna lose or something.
The chefs talked a lot about that.

3165
04:00:39.520 --> 04:00:43.000
So Rube does a peptop and says, no doubt, you were more prepared

3166
04:00:43.040 --> 04:00:45.920
now than ever before to become world
champion. I can pitch camplain all day

3167
04:00:45.959 --> 04:00:48.239
long about what happened to me,
but that was then, and this is

3168
04:00:48.280 --> 04:00:50.840
now and right now is your time
Main Events monsored by Five Hour Energy.

3169
04:00:50.920 --> 04:00:56.399
Boss feels like I'd be a good
title for this episode of TNH. Could

3170
04:00:56.479 --> 04:01:00.959
use something. Here comes in James
Storm in a beer Hunter T shirt and

3171
04:01:01.360 --> 04:01:05.360
Angle rises out of the ground Your
Hunter in the style of the Deer Hunter

3172
04:01:05.440 --> 04:01:09.399
too. No no, no,
no no, the slow bell ring JB

3173
04:01:09.680 --> 04:01:15.040
presiding sponsored by five Hour and Energy. That must be another company that wouldn't

3174
04:01:15.079 --> 04:01:18.959
come to the table if it was
still called t NA. The no wait,

3175
04:01:18.079 --> 04:01:22.680
no hassle way to get a great
morning. He weighed in this morning,

3176
04:01:22.840 --> 04:01:24.200
speaking in the mornings at two hundred
and thirty eight pounds, The Tennessee

3177
04:01:24.239 --> 04:01:28.719
Cowboy, James Storm challenging Kurt Angle
here in the afternoon. What's that?

3178
04:01:28.639 --> 04:01:33.440
What about this afternoon? We don't
we don't weigh them? Then, Oh

3179
04:01:33.600 --> 04:01:35.559
well, I don't know. Hebner
hoists the championship and it's the main of

3180
04:01:35.680 --> 04:01:39.799
end of the Impact Afterbound for Glory. Kurt Angle Defense against James Storm is

3181
04:01:39.840 --> 04:01:43.120
hastily arranged match. We touched on
it earlier and talking about the drama about

3182
04:01:43.159 --> 04:01:46.239
taking the match away from Bobby Rude. Essentially, the long term plan was

3183
04:01:46.280 --> 04:01:48.799
for Route to win the title and
feud with James Storm. They kind of

3184
04:01:48.840 --> 04:01:54.239
accelerated here and moved to pieces around. Hogan was talking positively about James Storm

3185
04:01:54.319 --> 04:01:56.040
in the same interview he kind of
buried Bobby Rude. Of course, he

3186
04:01:56.040 --> 04:01:58.079
would later go on and say it
was a work, et cetera, which

3187
04:01:58.079 --> 04:02:03.120
is what you say when it was
to work, and they find a way

3188
04:02:03.159 --> 04:02:05.840
to get the strap on James Storm. So Hogan sort of indicated in that

3189
04:02:05.920 --> 04:02:09.159
way, though it turns out to
be just a pit stop for Bobby Rude

3190
04:02:09.440 --> 04:02:15.440
finally getting the championship. But they
don't, which I mean, I don't

3191
04:02:15.559 --> 04:02:18.280
understand. I mean, go ahead
and I'll talk about him when we come

3192
04:02:18.399 --> 04:02:20.479
up to it. But there's not
much to say it's like a ten second

3193
04:02:20.520 --> 04:02:24.799
match, because I know it is
really really it's kind of pathetic. Yea.

3194
04:02:24.920 --> 04:02:28.280
Kurt had that bad wheel and was
really cranky about retaining it down for

3195
04:02:28.319 --> 04:02:31.399
glory, as we just heard in
the first place, so they kind of

3196
04:02:31.639 --> 04:02:33.840
assuaged his anguish by saying, don't
worry, the next match you have will

3197
04:02:33.879 --> 04:02:37.000
just be a ten second thing.
Anyway, bell sounds, They're both froze

3198
04:02:37.040 --> 04:02:39.719
it in their corners. There was
a lock up angle goes crazy with Boots

3199
04:02:39.760 --> 04:02:45.680
in the corner and stomps him a
bunch and it's conduct unbecoming for kurn Angle.

3200
04:02:45.719 --> 04:02:48.440
Tess says it's Brian. Hebner gets
between them and kind of forces Angle

3201
04:02:48.440 --> 04:02:50.440
out of the corner, and while
facing him off, Storm recovers, gets

3202
04:02:50.440 --> 04:02:54.840
to his feet, fires off the
big superkick that he did, and covers

3203
04:02:54.920 --> 04:02:56.520
Kurt Angle in a flash. For
the one, two three, James Storm

3204
04:02:56.559 --> 04:03:05.840
becomes the new TENA Heavyweight Champion.
Your unimpact than okay, so much better

3205
04:03:05.879 --> 04:03:09.040
than just having Bobby Rude win the
belt. So so Rude hits the rain

3206
04:03:09.120 --> 04:03:11.600
falls on him and then he comes
up. Storm comes up blubbering with the

3207
04:03:11.639 --> 04:03:13.879
belt. He does a cool celebration, jumps into the crowd, has a

3208
04:03:13.959 --> 04:03:18.120
beer. Aj Styles and has come
out and celebrate with him as well.

3209
04:03:18.239 --> 04:03:24.719
And that is pretty much that.
As Tennay screams, Immortal no longer has

3210
04:03:24.799 --> 04:03:28.479
the world heavyweight title. Can you
stop pretending immortals a thing? Just stop

3211
04:03:28.719 --> 04:03:33.600
immortals over? Jude's done, and
then he gets a mic time just James

3212
04:03:33.639 --> 04:03:37.200
Storm says he's spend them with the
company since day one. He's watched people

3213
04:03:37.239 --> 04:03:39.719
come and watched him go, but
one thing's for dam sure. The cowboy

3214
04:03:39.840 --> 04:03:43.000
is now here to stay, you
son of a bitches, And he says,

3215
04:03:43.040 --> 04:03:45.840
even though to me, I think
that victory was a little bitter,

3216
04:03:45.920 --> 04:03:48.399
sweet Robert Rude, you're my best
friend in the world and we are the

3217
04:03:48.520 --> 04:03:52.120
greatest tag team of all time or
whatever they say. You deserve a chant

3218
04:03:52.159 --> 04:03:54.520
and that's that. It's a good
show in terms of, you know,

3219
04:03:54.879 --> 04:03:58.479
it was interesting to watch. It
was a newsworthy, eventful show, sure,

3220
04:03:58.520 --> 04:04:00.959
and it did a good rating.
It hit two point two million viewers,

3221
04:04:01.000 --> 04:04:07.159
the all time audience record for Impact
in terms of average over the course

3222
04:04:07.200 --> 04:04:09.760
of time that they were on the
air. Yes, there's certainly been higher

3223
04:04:09.879 --> 04:04:13.440
rated hours they've done, but when
you combine all the hours of one episode

3224
04:04:13.520 --> 04:04:16.920
and average it out, that is
the highest. And last year is Bound

3225
04:04:16.920 --> 04:04:20.200
for Glory post show. The first
Impact after Bound for Glory did a really

3226
04:04:20.239 --> 04:04:24.559
healthy rating as well. So they
were able to people, Yeah, after

3227
04:04:24.600 --> 04:04:28.000
WrestleMania type thing exactly. People wanted
to see what the fallout was, and

3228
04:04:28.079 --> 04:04:33.399
of course, inevitably every single year
they failed to wag parlay I should say

3229
04:04:33.440 --> 04:04:37.719
they wait layed it all right,
parlay that interest into kind of like more

3230
04:04:37.799 --> 04:04:41.760
extended rating success that actually, you
know, to deliver something that kept people

3231
04:04:41.159 --> 04:04:46.239
beyond that the two weeks it starts
dropping back to normal numbers and actually,

3232
04:04:46.479 --> 04:04:50.719
depressingly, the angle Storm match at
the end was the low point of the

3233
04:04:50.920 --> 04:04:56.360
entire show in terms of breaking out
the quarters. The show up and strong

3234
04:04:56.440 --> 04:05:00.760
one point three eight for Sting and
Hogan and Sting and Dixie Carter. When

3235
04:05:00.840 --> 04:05:07.479
people want fucking Bishop, well they
I think they wanted to see what the

3236
04:05:07.559 --> 04:05:11.920
flavor of of the TNA post bound
for Glory, post Hogan wrestling, post

3237
04:05:11.040 --> 04:05:15.440
Dixie Carter winning the company back looked
like. And it was the same things

3238
04:05:15.440 --> 04:05:18.319
they said, Fuck this, yeah
over twenty seventh and Pact we moved to

3239
04:05:18.479 --> 04:05:22.799
now and starts up with Storm talking
about how he's seen guys come and go

3240
04:05:22.000 --> 04:05:24.520
grab their money and try to get
out of here, while guys like me

3241
04:05:24.600 --> 04:05:28.040
stayed loyal to this company and watch
a grow because we knew one day it

3242
04:05:28.079 --> 04:05:31.360
was going to be our turn,
and therefore he's going to offer Bobby Rude

3243
04:05:31.399 --> 04:05:35.879
the first crack at the World Championship. That's so nice, agreed, Friends

3244
04:05:35.959 --> 04:05:39.120
taking care of friends. Garrett bish
Off later talking about how he grew up

3245
04:05:39.120 --> 04:05:43.000
his whole life, utilizing his father. What that's what I wanted to be?

3246
04:05:45.440 --> 04:05:46.479
If that's what you wanted to be, Pal, I don't know.

3247
04:05:46.600 --> 04:05:48.959
And I saw pick up that chairbound
for glory to finish the stinger off,

3248
04:05:50.040 --> 04:05:52.840
I knew what I had to do. First of all, he says,

3249
04:05:52.840 --> 04:05:54.840
who wants to beat up their dad? Second of all, who wants to

3250
04:05:54.879 --> 04:06:01.200
hit an old man? Apparently you? Garrett? Huh? What do you

3251
04:06:01.360 --> 04:06:09.559
say, Garrett? Question? What
do you want from daddy? Do you

3252
04:06:11.280 --> 04:06:22.159
want to take daddy to the extreme? What do you think of daddy's extrevity

3253
04:06:22.600 --> 04:06:41.879
shot? I'm watching you, Garrett, I'm watching you. That is not

3254
04:06:41.959 --> 04:06:46.520
where I expected that to go.
Hey, Eric fishops out. It's always

3255
04:06:46.520 --> 04:06:52.000
great to see him, isn't it. Oh yeah, here do the fucking

3256
04:06:52.200 --> 04:06:56.879
idiot here. Let's just you know
here it is. Here's this this mort

3257
04:06:56.040 --> 04:07:01.200
fair important family business to take care
of, That's right, Sit on and

3258
04:07:01.399 --> 04:07:09.959
shut up? What dude, I've
got some important family business to take care

3259
04:07:09.040 --> 04:07:13.280
of here. And I normally try
to keep my personal life separate from my

3260
04:07:13.959 --> 04:07:24.959
business life, but unfortunately, my
firstborn son has decided to make that way

3261
04:07:26.040 --> 04:07:37.120
more complicated than it needed to be. Some people keep your ros down here

3262
04:07:37.280 --> 04:07:43.399
right now, We're gonna have a
little father's son chat talking about the birds.

3263
04:07:46.479 --> 04:07:54.559
Let's go, don't have all nights, don't have, don't have you

3264
04:07:54.719 --> 04:07:58.159
know, I don't like it when
people are like, get your ass out

3265
04:07:58.280 --> 04:08:11.520
here, birless music. The father's
son chat, the father who used a

3266
04:08:11.600 --> 04:08:16.840
steel chair on his son I found
for glory, and the son who decked

3267
04:08:16.879 --> 04:08:24.600
his father right here on Inpact Wrestling
last week. This is father's son chat

3268
04:08:24.760 --> 04:08:28.719
is going to be shared with the
world. Awesome. That's the way Eric

3269
04:08:28.760 --> 04:08:46.520
FISHERLF walts it. His son's were
luctant to get in the room. I'm

3270
04:08:46.559 --> 04:08:52.879
a busy man. I've got a
lot going on here tonight, so I

3271
04:08:52.000 --> 04:08:54.520
want to make a couple of things
really clear. Says you took it upon

3272
04:08:54.639 --> 04:09:01.079
yourself to embarrass me. It sounds
like he's gonna take out the fucking national

3273
04:09:01.200 --> 04:09:16.399
television by punching me right between the
freaking eyes. And I'm willing to forgive

3274
04:09:16.520 --> 04:09:20.079
that. Look at me when I'm
talking to you, not these clowns.

3275
04:09:20.799 --> 04:09:26.239
All right. Your business is right
here in front of you, Your future

3276
04:09:26.760 --> 04:09:31.600
is right here in front of you, all right, so pay close attention.

3277
04:09:35.559 --> 04:09:41.120
I raised you to follow in my
footsteps. Hell, I conceived you

3278
04:09:41.079 --> 04:09:48.000
so that you could follow in my
footsteps. I did not waste perfectly good

3279
04:09:48.239 --> 04:09:56.719
seamen perfectly on somebody that was gonna
fail me when I needed you most for

3280
04:09:56.840 --> 04:10:03.799
the time you first follow me in
to the a WA wrestling studios in Minneapolis

3281
04:10:03.879 --> 04:10:09.040
when you were four years old.
Had I allowed you to learn the business

3282
04:10:09.879 --> 04:10:15.799
from the inside out. You learn
more about this business by accident than most

3283
04:10:15.879 --> 04:10:20.280
people who are in it. And
I gave you that opportunity. Don't even

3284
04:10:20.440 --> 04:10:26.159
try to interrupt me, you punk. I gave you that opportunity because I

3285
04:10:26.239 --> 04:10:33.520
knew someday, someday I could depend
on you and you could do the right

3286
04:10:33.760 --> 04:10:39.840
thing. And you let me down. You embarrassed me, damn it.

3287
04:10:41.600 --> 04:10:50.879
You embarrassed the entire Bishop family for
generations back. You drop the ball,

3288
04:10:50.079 --> 04:10:54.639
and I was pissed off as I
am right now. And as much as

3289
04:10:54.719 --> 04:10:58.399
you know deep down inside, I
could kick your ass and in front of

3290
04:10:58.440 --> 04:11:01.719
all of these people, do to
you what you did to me, which

3291
04:11:01.879 --> 04:11:09.719
was embarrassed me. I'm not gonna
do that quite yet. See, I'm

3292
04:11:09.799 --> 04:11:18.079
going to give you what I normally
don't give anybody because you know I am

3293
04:11:18.280 --> 04:11:31.399
one ruthless son of a bitch.
I don't want this to stop. Trying

3294
04:11:33.040 --> 04:11:37.639
to talk you something you want to
say, say to everybody, say this

3295
04:11:37.879 --> 04:11:41.600
is not the way I want this
to go down. I don't give a

3296
04:11:41.959 --> 04:11:48.120
damn what you want. This isn't
about what you want, you selfish little

3297
04:11:48.239 --> 04:11:54.959
prick. This is about what I
want. And I want to give you,

3298
04:11:54.200 --> 04:11:58.639
oh, maybe the next half hour
forty five minutes to think about it,

3299
04:12:00.079 --> 04:12:03.040
because you're gonna do one or two
things. You're either gonna come out

3300
04:12:03.079 --> 04:12:09.079
here at the end of the night
tonight and apologize to me in front of

3301
04:12:09.159 --> 04:12:13.639
all of these people, in front
of this worldwide television audience. You're either

3302
04:12:13.680 --> 04:12:18.840
going to apolishgize to me, or
I'm hey, I'm gonna kick your ass.

3303
04:12:24.280 --> 04:12:31.760
You decide punk compelling television. How
how how long do you think waiting

3304
04:12:31.799 --> 04:12:33.959
to tell us to his kid?
Well, I'm sorry, what do you

3305
04:12:35.239 --> 04:12:37.280
your life? I said, how
long do you think Bischof's been been waiting

3306
04:12:37.360 --> 04:12:43.719
to fucking say this to his kid
in real life? I don't know.

3307
04:12:46.840 --> 04:12:48.879
It's like threatening to kick his ass
and all that shit. I mean,

3308
04:12:50.200 --> 04:12:54.719
am I supposed to like care if
there it gets along with the sun.

3309
04:12:56.559 --> 04:13:00.479
Apparently you are, or they think
you are. But I mean it's this

3310
04:13:00.600 --> 04:13:05.719
is the sut I can't stand it. I don't because I don't care.

3311
04:13:07.959 --> 04:13:11.239
It's that simple. I don't give
a shit about these two fucking morons.

3312
04:13:13.159 --> 04:13:18.520
I don't care about the Bishoffs,
all right. I was kind of told

3313
04:13:18.600 --> 04:13:22.600
to care about my hand. I
mean, I thought Bishoff was Clayton WWE

3314
04:13:22.719 --> 04:13:24.840
and good in WCW on television.
But yeah, and I remember putting my

3315
04:13:24.879 --> 04:13:28.200
hand up and saying, yeah,
get me get me involved in this guy's

3316
04:13:28.239 --> 04:13:33.879
like family's life. He's he's,
he's, he's you know, he can't

3317
04:13:33.920 --> 04:13:41.200
be the main thing. He's gonna
be the season, all right, not

3318
04:13:41.280 --> 04:13:46.920
not not every fucking week, let
alone twice or three times in a week.

3319
04:13:48.159 --> 04:13:50.760
Yeah, there's some impacts. He
comes out and you're like again,

3320
04:13:50.559 --> 04:13:56.280
he's he's coming out again. He's
like the only person that can string together

3321
04:13:56.360 --> 04:13:58.680
a sentence in this company is up. What the deal is? I mean,

3322
04:13:58.719 --> 04:14:05.040
the last time I cared about Bischoff's
family was one of his wife post

3323
04:14:05.120 --> 04:14:13.120
for Playboy. So here's Garrett standing
tall and Rick Flair has got some things

3324
04:14:13.200 --> 04:14:16.920
to say to this little show.
Here we go. You're ready for this?

3325
04:14:18.680 --> 04:14:22.399
Actually, it's yeah, seriously,
and there's only one guy who can

3326
04:14:22.479 --> 04:14:26.639
do it, and that's mister money
bags himself. It ain't mister Flair,

3327
04:14:26.079 --> 04:14:33.280
it's God. Yeah. You don't
need to be sorry just to remember my

3328
04:14:33.399 --> 04:14:35.239
name. Okay, sir, do
you know I have a real problem with

3329
04:14:35.319 --> 04:14:39.280
you right now? When I heard
you were breaking this business. But I

3330
04:14:39.440 --> 04:14:46.479
was excited because this is a business
that needs young men. I repeat men,

3331
04:14:46.760 --> 04:14:56.079
meaning man am I end disrespectful little
punk like you? But mister Flair,

3332
04:14:56.200 --> 04:14:58.680
just listen to what I'm No,
I don't need to listen to nothing.

3333
04:15:00.040 --> 04:15:01.719
I sawid that went down between you
and your dad. I was right

3334
04:15:01.799 --> 04:15:07.840
there. You're not big enough,
you're not mad enough. You don't have

3335
04:15:07.959 --> 04:15:13.280
the experience, you don't have the
balls, you don't have anything that it

3336
04:15:13.360 --> 04:15:18.959
takes to be where your father's already
been. What you gotta not just wrong?

3337
04:15:18.040 --> 04:15:22.799
This business now we're breaking it pumps
out punks every day. Guys.

3338
04:15:22.840 --> 04:15:28.440
I couldn't walk on my shoes thirty
years ago, amotch us. Now that's

3339
04:15:28.479 --> 04:15:33.440
where you're at my life? You
got that, Yes, servant, please

3340
04:15:33.479 --> 04:15:35.479
just listen, No, no,
no, I don't want to listen.

3341
04:15:35.840 --> 04:15:43.840
It's not your turn to talk.
You tonight are gonna be out there alive

3342
04:15:43.959 --> 04:15:48.159
with your dad. And your dad
has promised the world and me that he's

3343
04:15:48.200 --> 04:15:52.879
gonna kick your ass because you need
that and it needs to be an in

3344
04:15:52.959 --> 04:15:56.159
front of the world, the whole
impact world. We need to cheat you

3345
04:15:56.280 --> 04:16:02.079
guys. Respect. I'm sick of
walking on his lock crooms with whitey cry

3346
04:16:02.200 --> 04:16:07.440
little babies just like you. Because
there is sport for men, men a

3347
04:16:07.520 --> 04:16:11.559
blood and sweat and pay the price
to be all round and to make sure

3348
04:16:11.639 --> 04:16:17.639
your got gonna do a soft don't
be surprising it out tonight kicking your ass

3349
04:16:17.680 --> 04:16:21.559
too. So I feel about it. I'll slap you right now. No,

3350
04:16:21.680 --> 04:16:22.520
no, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not screwing on. They

3351
04:16:22.520 --> 04:16:26.200
got to slap it right now,
mister Flair. Please, you better think

3352
04:16:26.280 --> 04:16:30.600
tonight real hard because you gotta deal
with your dad. Then you gotta deal

3353
04:16:30.680 --> 04:16:36.000
with Rick Flair. You got it, got it? Sorry, we'll see

3354
04:16:36.040 --> 04:16:38.920
you later on tonight. I would
really think about what's going on in your

3355
04:16:38.959 --> 04:16:52.559
life right now. Slap Flair fucking
awesome. Just dresses him down. Many's

3356
04:16:52.639 --> 04:16:55.159
right, that's right, what he
deserves. Please don't tell me you have

3357
04:16:55.200 --> 04:16:59.680
any more audio? Eric h oh, yeah, no I do. I

3358
04:16:59.760 --> 04:17:03.319
have the whole fut and main event
programs. Go ahead, the whole the

3359
04:17:03.360 --> 04:17:07.200
whole fucking main event program here.
I like this. So they have a

3360
04:17:07.319 --> 04:17:10.920
match and then they have this because
this is more of a main event Bishop

3361
04:17:11.120 --> 04:17:17.440
versus Bishop God. So fucking awa, here we go. Settle down,

3362
04:17:17.840 --> 04:17:23.479
settle down. I gotta admit it's
someone embarrassing to have your private life,

3363
04:17:23.559 --> 04:17:26.440
your relationship with your own son,
and being played out in front of a

3364
04:17:27.159 --> 04:17:33.079
national and worldwide television audience. And
don't But you know what, that's a

3365
04:17:33.159 --> 04:17:37.879
great thing about families is they can
put things behind them and move on,

3366
04:17:37.399 --> 04:17:41.639
you know. And that's what I'm
hoping we're gonna do right now. So

3367
04:17:42.399 --> 04:17:48.239
Garrett, come on down, let's
let's hear what you have to say.

3368
04:17:49.799 --> 04:17:52.520
I'm sure you'll do the right thing. I know I erased you, right,

3369
04:17:53.000 --> 04:18:03.399
Come on down, Garrett. Give
him a big hair and everybody,

3370
04:18:06.440 --> 04:18:11.799
he made him mistake we're all capable
of. But he is a good kid,

3371
04:18:12.120 --> 04:18:30.760
he really is. I Garrett,
a little while ago, I gave

3372
04:18:30.799 --> 04:18:34.639
you an ultimatum. I told you
what she needed to do, and I've

3373
04:18:34.680 --> 04:18:38.959
given you some time to think about
it, and before you apologize, I

3374
04:18:40.520 --> 04:18:45.000
you know, I just want to
get something off my chest because before there's

3375
04:18:45.000 --> 04:18:48.840
an argument between family members, loved
ones, there's always two sides to every

3376
04:18:48.879 --> 04:18:53.680
corn. So in front of everybody, I want to say that I forgive

3377
04:18:53.760 --> 04:18:59.559
you for what you do. I
forgive you for getting caught up in the

3378
04:18:59.600 --> 04:19:03.520
emotion shit of it all. It's
okay, it's all right. I understand

3379
04:19:03.600 --> 04:19:11.760
what it's like to be young and
ye dumb and letting things you know,

3380
04:19:11.920 --> 04:19:15.120
get to you and cloud your judgment. So that's okay. So that just

3381
04:19:17.200 --> 04:19:22.879
go ahead, Garrett, and tell
the world that you're sorry, look me

3382
04:19:22.920 --> 04:19:26.120
in the eye and apologize to me, and and everything. You'll go right

3383
04:19:26.200 --> 04:19:27.959
back to the way it used to
be. I won't hold it against you.

3384
04:19:29.000 --> 04:19:53.319
Go ahead, Garretts, I said, go ahead. You are pushing

3385
04:19:53.399 --> 04:20:00.079
me to the point or I may
not be able to forgive you you and

3386
04:20:00.319 --> 04:20:10.760
I'm not going to ask again.
Now freaking apologize to me right out frond

3387
04:20:10.799 --> 04:20:15.399
of these people. What a bitch? Do as I say, brother,

3388
04:20:17.239 --> 04:20:53.799
dude, what damn it's apologize to
me. We heard earlier the brick player

3389
04:20:53.920 --> 04:21:00.920
might get involved. I told you, davil Oh I told you it was

3390
04:21:02.040 --> 04:21:07.399
tough. Fuck. Why don't you
treat him like and treating me? Get

3391
04:21:07.520 --> 04:21:12.200
your act together? No, I
ain't gonna take it any Rick fl danity.

3392
04:21:14.559 --> 04:21:18.280
You didn't apologize your old man right
now? Help me? I'm put

3393
04:21:18.840 --> 04:21:22.719
don't I gonna help him on the
rating? You're a record, Rick Flare.

3394
04:21:23.959 --> 04:21:30.959
I'm telling you. I watch you
to not only apologize, I watch

3395
04:21:32.040 --> 04:21:40.559
you and kiss my ass Cort walking
away, forget that. I'm I'm talking

3396
04:21:40.600 --> 04:21:47.440
to you. I said, apologize. I'm not gonna score on you like

3397
04:21:47.559 --> 04:21:56.559
your dad. I'm gonna really missed
you up. I apologize, I apologize,

3398
04:22:00.920 --> 04:22:30.200
I said, Poltizer, he takes
fair. Damn cast. This is

3399
04:22:30.280 --> 04:22:33.920
tough to watch that shore is.
I mean, it's in there work.

3400
04:22:36.200 --> 04:22:41.600
And garretton go off his head right
now, the whole family dirtiest player in

3401
04:22:41.639 --> 04:22:48.479
the game. And Flare just shot
Oh my god, the Garrett and Garrett's

3402
04:22:48.520 --> 04:22:52.600
father never bish off. Just watching
them stuff. How do you watch all

3403
04:22:52.719 --> 04:22:57.120
stuff? How do you watch all
his sound? To watch his show?

3404
04:22:59.479 --> 04:23:07.559
Maybe a disappointment. And ladies and
gentlemen, you've got to join us next

3405
04:23:07.639 --> 04:23:12.440
week on a peck wrestling Ronny from
the Treesy Shore special guest of Eric Young.

3406
04:23:14.159 --> 04:23:18.479
How about the World Championship match next
week to teenage title be defended by

3407
04:23:18.559 --> 04:23:32.120
the new world champion, James Strong
against his blot money Robert Green. That's

3408
04:23:32.200 --> 04:23:37.319
hilarious, kiss my ass fat so
what I also love how they fucking here's

3409
04:23:37.399 --> 04:23:41.079
this this what should be a powerful
segment as a father and you know,

3410
04:23:41.399 --> 04:23:48.719
basically like an unrelated uncle are being
the shit out of the kid and they're

3411
04:23:48.840 --> 04:23:52.639
hyping up next week casually he's getting
stomped to fucking death. Yeah, such

3412
04:23:52.680 --> 04:23:56.239
a bad start to this, Bishop
Eric Garrett, bishof things, so awful,

3413
04:23:57.600 --> 04:24:03.159
so fucking boring, so long,
I know, and also sorry,

3414
04:24:03.280 --> 04:24:07.639
I don't need three fucking segments.
Yeah, he had to do something that

3415
04:24:07.799 --> 04:24:10.719
like has spark he has you had
to do something that's like, okay,

3416
04:24:10.760 --> 04:24:14.559
that's why I care about this guy. Isn't said or done anything. And

3417
04:24:17.040 --> 04:24:19.360
yeah he turned you know, he
turned his dada down for glory, but

3418
04:24:19.399 --> 04:24:22.799
he hasn't expressed himself. You know, it's like I don't know what I'm

3419
04:24:22.159 --> 04:24:26.079
responding to when I choot for this
guy, Like what's what is? He

3420
04:24:27.120 --> 04:24:30.319
sucks man? So this is what's
going to happen. And now that now

3421
04:24:30.399 --> 04:24:33.719
that whole teeny is trying to find
his way off to the sidelines, Bischoff

3422
04:24:33.799 --> 04:24:37.120
is going to go into business himself
to get his kid positioned. You know,

3423
04:24:37.719 --> 04:24:41.799
it's I don't want to just make
the lazy criticism that because he's Bischoff's

3424
04:24:41.879 --> 04:24:44.120
kid, that you know, it's
bullshit, because maybe the kid's good.

3425
04:24:44.200 --> 04:24:47.520
But I don't know, man,
this is just like, who could possibly

3426
04:24:47.559 --> 04:24:51.159
care about this feud? It's like
he's learning on the job. It's like

3427
04:24:51.239 --> 04:24:56.120
he's it's like he's playing pro wrestler
and he's you know, when you play

3428
04:24:56.120 --> 04:24:57.360
a pro wrestler, you come up
with an angle involving you know, the

3429
04:24:57.440 --> 04:25:02.000
people in your ne a circle,
like your dad. And it's like,

3430
04:25:02.719 --> 04:25:07.040
I don't know final impact of this
twenty eleven treatment because Hogan is gone.

3431
04:25:07.079 --> 04:25:11.959
Man. He's not around, yes
for November or December or January February for

3432
04:25:12.000 --> 04:25:17.239
that matter, just like the pattern
was twenty ten going into twenty eleven,

3433
04:25:17.479 --> 04:25:19.799
although that had a lot to do
with the back surgeries and stuff and him

3434
04:25:19.799 --> 04:25:25.479
getting married. But he decided to
re up on that particular plan because when

3435
04:25:25.520 --> 04:25:29.600
a bishop confronted him in the parking
lot and then later he came out and

3436
04:25:29.680 --> 04:25:32.920
then Garrett beat up on Eric.
That was the last time we saw Hogan

3437
04:25:32.959 --> 04:25:36.639
in twenty eleven. That's so crazy. They taped the tapings back on the

3438
04:25:36.719 --> 04:25:40.440
road and tape one last time for
twenty eleven and making Georgia's that twenty eleven

3439
04:25:40.479 --> 04:25:44.959
experiment continues an expensive one. Kevin
Kay of Spike TV set around this time

3440
04:25:45.040 --> 04:25:47.879
quote, it was a mutual decision. Dixie and Eric came in and pushed

3441
04:25:47.920 --> 04:25:49.360
forward. I always wanted to do
it. It's great to have a home,

3442
04:25:49.399 --> 04:25:52.280
but you don't get the level of
excitement as you do on the road.

3443
04:25:52.319 --> 04:25:55.600
It adds another level. We're continuing
discussions. We haven't seen a ratings

3444
04:25:55.639 --> 04:25:57.680
bump, but you can't judge ratings
week tweaks. Some weeks things happen like

3445
04:25:57.719 --> 04:26:02.040
competition, even though TENA holds up
well against sports. As we can afford

3446
04:26:02.079 --> 04:26:03.920
to continue it or increase it,
it's a financial decision. It adds a

3447
04:26:03.920 --> 04:26:10.239
lot of excitement and vibrancy to the
show. Dixie said around this time too,

3448
04:26:10.319 --> 04:26:12.399
that we know that it would be
important to take impact out and tour.

3449
04:26:12.520 --> 04:26:15.200
But when I talk about running this
company like a business, I don't

3450
04:26:15.200 --> 04:26:18.040
put my head on the pillow every
night without thinking about staying in business and

3451
04:26:18.159 --> 04:26:22.799
turning a profit and giving these great
wrestlers and fans a company ten fifteen to

3452
04:26:22.799 --> 04:26:26.920
twenty years from now. We have
to make good business decisions. Touring is

3453
04:26:26.959 --> 04:26:30.399
extremely expensive. It's extremely expensive to
take a production like we have on the

3454
04:26:30.479 --> 04:26:33.840
road for television. We have to
be smart about it. Yes we know

3455
04:26:33.920 --> 04:26:37.000
it's critical, Yes we know it's
absolutely the next step in the evolution of

3456
04:26:37.079 --> 04:26:38.399
TNA for us to grow, we
need to take Impact on the road.

3457
04:26:40.719 --> 04:26:42.959
And they didn't really do we have
to or much don't really want to,

3458
04:26:45.239 --> 04:26:48.760
I know, so they save there
was a twenty one hundred fans here and

3459
04:26:48.840 --> 04:26:53.680
make in Georgia not a bad crowd, and they kind of saved the big

3460
04:26:53.959 --> 04:27:00.600
switch over from James Storm to Bobby
Root for this taping. Why that was

3461
04:27:00.639 --> 04:27:03.959
one thing. You knew that they
were going to do big things when they

3462
04:27:04.000 --> 04:27:07.159
did an Impact on the road,
probably a title change. I mean,

3463
04:27:07.239 --> 04:27:12.079
but why don't you fucking you know, wait for a pay per view on

3464
04:27:12.159 --> 04:27:15.399
the road And that just tells you
all you need to know about how asked

3465
04:27:15.399 --> 04:27:18.680
backwards their view of pay per view
was, I mean, with the exception

3466
04:27:18.719 --> 04:27:21.559
of Bound for glory, that which
cracks me up, Like, you know,

3467
04:27:21.600 --> 04:27:22.879
pay per view was dead. All
we care about his ratings and stuff.

3468
04:27:23.799 --> 04:27:26.840
They still peak for Bound for glory, hope, and wrestling is still

3469
04:27:26.879 --> 04:27:30.799
on bound for glory. But all
the other pay per views they just did

3470
04:27:30.879 --> 04:27:34.399
not care. They did not care. They assumed no no matter how hard

3471
04:27:34.440 --> 04:27:40.479
they worked, they would be sacrificing
putting impactful ratings things on the on the

3472
04:27:40.520 --> 04:27:42.600
free television to promote a pay per
view that, no matter how hard they

3473
04:27:42.680 --> 04:27:47.079
hit it, not enough people would
buy it for to make financial sense compared

3474
04:27:47.120 --> 04:27:51.959
to putting all that effort and focus
into TV and keeping Spike happy. And

3475
04:27:52.639 --> 04:27:56.159
they're the key source of revenue paying
for the show Jesus. So yeah,

3476
04:27:56.159 --> 04:27:59.399
it's it's a fucking disaster, because
what makes good wrestling television building a pay

3477
04:27:59.399 --> 04:28:03.479
per view? Right, Great wrestling
television isn't a version of a pay per

3478
04:28:03.520 --> 04:28:07.479
view, a fucking diet pay per
view every two three weeks. It's not

3479
04:28:07.639 --> 04:28:11.319
that, it's it's tuning in to
be along for the ride. It's like

3480
04:28:11.360 --> 04:28:14.200
any other television show that builds and
builds to a season finale, and that's

3481
04:28:14.200 --> 04:28:17.639
what the pay per view is.
I don't know whatever, I think.

3482
04:28:17.639 --> 04:28:21.760
I think the fucking verdict is in
doing it right. Your pay per view

3483
04:28:21.840 --> 04:28:25.319
numbers are up even if you ignore
it, although you're certainly not doing yourself

3484
04:28:25.319 --> 04:28:27.719
any favors. And if your pay
per view numbers are down, you're failing.

3485
04:28:29.239 --> 04:28:33.079
Period. The fucking ratings aren't.
If they have bright spots, they

3486
04:28:33.120 --> 04:28:36.479
have these sort of like aberrant big
numbers that make you think, okay,

3487
04:28:36.479 --> 04:28:38.280
they actually have if they put the
pieces together and just the right way,

3488
04:28:38.319 --> 04:28:41.920
they actually can start to show growth
and then like two weeks later they're back

3489
04:28:41.920 --> 04:28:45.479
to what they were before. Hogan
and bishof walking in the door even below

3490
04:28:45.559 --> 04:28:49.639
that. In some cases it's just
not it's there's no way that's what you

3491
04:28:49.760 --> 04:28:53.120
expected to see when you committed to
pay these two fucking two and a half

3492
04:28:53.200 --> 04:29:00.600
mill at whatever it is together all
right. So they have a rude come

3493
04:29:00.600 --> 04:29:03.120
out talking about all the success and
his cy James Storm. We were both

3494
04:29:03.159 --> 04:29:06.440
struggling at singles in the company,
but when we came together, we were

3495
04:29:06.479 --> 04:29:08.680
an overnight success. Says, Let's
steal the show, blow the roof off

3496
04:29:08.719 --> 04:29:11.399
the son of a bitch and of
the match of our lives. So they

3497
04:29:11.440 --> 04:29:14.120
frame it up as Bobby Rude versus
James Storm, best buddies going for the

3498
04:29:14.239 --> 04:29:18.079
championship, friendly competition. Later,
Garrett Bischoff comes up, comes off and

3499
04:29:18.120 --> 04:29:21.920
says, I'm sorry I didn't do
this years ago, and knocks Eric Bischoff

3500
04:29:21.959 --> 04:29:27.799
down with the right hand and staying
backs him up doing that world title match.

3501
04:29:29.079 --> 04:29:30.760
Bobby Rude hits the ring to different
music. That should be a tell

3502
04:29:33.280 --> 04:29:36.639
I know I no beer money music. He'll beer money music. And James

3503
04:29:36.680 --> 04:29:40.879
Storm comes out with the teenage World
Heavyweight Championship and a beer pours a bit

3504
04:29:40.920 --> 04:29:44.200
down. A guy in the front
rows throat Jeremy Borash with the announcements,

3505
04:29:44.319 --> 04:29:48.920
Brian Hebner presiding Storm versus Rude for
the championship, beer money chant and they

3506
04:29:48.959 --> 04:29:52.280
slap hands, and he talks about
all those years being close to secting every

3507
04:29:52.319 --> 04:29:56.040
move did Storm and Rude as partners, and now they get to use that

3508
04:29:56.079 --> 04:29:59.040
against each other, those insights.
Tess says, good about that. What

3509
04:29:59.120 --> 04:30:02.760
about the closeness do you you established
traveling and sharing gyms and cars, hotel

3510
04:30:02.840 --> 04:30:04.440
rooms all those years. I don't
know what that has to do with winning

3511
04:30:04.440 --> 04:30:08.559
a championship, but that's fine.
Seriously, what the fuck appling exchanges early,

3512
04:30:08.680 --> 04:30:14.399
Roots slams the knee, hits a
body slam and Missus a knee drop,

3513
04:30:14.479 --> 04:30:17.319
and then James Storm hits a body
slam and Missus knee drops a boss.

3514
04:30:17.600 --> 04:30:21.479
They're they're the same person, they're
mirror images that they exactly, they

3515
04:30:21.559 --> 04:30:25.399
know exactly what each one needs to
do, each one is going to do

3516
04:30:25.520 --> 04:30:26.760
to each other. Arm drags out
of arm ringers, et cetera. They

3517
04:30:26.799 --> 04:30:30.040
exchange hard shops in the corner,
but Rude pulls ahead, and then Rude

3518
04:30:30.079 --> 04:30:33.799
whiffs on a rolling next snap and
Storm hits a high knee off the ropes

3519
04:30:33.799 --> 04:30:36.760
for two. Storm them with the
multiple larids in the corner like these Roman

3520
04:30:36.840 --> 04:30:40.959
rains or something, and Root hits
the corner and britochets off the buckle and

3521
04:30:41.000 --> 04:30:44.239
clothes lines down Storm. Rude climbs
to the top rope, Storm cuts him

3522
04:30:44.239 --> 04:30:47.520
off. Storm goes up after him
and superplexes him. They come up exchanging,

3523
04:30:47.559 --> 04:30:48.959
Storm pulls ahead, hits a high
backdrop, Root cuts him off with

3524
04:30:49.000 --> 04:30:53.799
a blockbuster. For two has refers
to his head as a bean, his

3525
04:30:55.000 --> 04:30:59.520
bean, the back of his beankind
problem. Storm off the top of the

3526
04:30:59.559 --> 04:31:03.600
crossbo but Rude rolls through for two. James Storm cries the eye of the

3527
04:31:03.639 --> 04:31:06.360
Storm. That's spinning a razor's edge
kind of move, but Rud drops down

3528
04:31:06.440 --> 04:31:08.600
hits a spinebuster for two, Storm
of the clothesline. Both hit the floor.

3529
04:31:08.959 --> 04:31:11.840
Ref counts up to eight. We'll
both get back in the ring.

3530
04:31:11.879 --> 04:31:15.280
Storm tries at draping DDT as Bobby
Rude re enters, but Rude explodes into

3531
04:31:15.280 --> 04:31:19.719
the cross face and starts yanking.
Rude hooks off James Storm's arm as he

3532
04:31:19.719 --> 04:31:23.799
reaches for the rope, Storm gets
foot on instead. This I think it's

3533
04:31:23.840 --> 04:31:29.760
around this time. It's it's pretty
funny where you got I got this one

3534
04:31:29.840 --> 04:31:33.719
clip? We get Rude in the
cross face, and Rude is just screaming

3535
04:31:33.760 --> 04:31:37.360
over Today's commentary, yelling at Storm
to tap. Yes, it's funny,

3536
04:31:42.760 --> 04:31:45.879
that's funny. That last one is
the funniest one. Please please tap,

3537
04:31:47.799 --> 04:31:52.079
please taps you in the balcony.
Wrestling twenty Seriously, that's exactly what I

3538
04:31:52.120 --> 04:31:56.879
was thinking. Oh he's he's yanking
on it for sure. Um, they

3539
04:31:56.959 --> 04:32:00.520
chant this is wrestling. He purchased
him up on the top. His Rude

3540
04:32:00.520 --> 04:32:03.639
tries a superplex, but Storm,
but do they chant that wrestling now?

3541
04:32:03.719 --> 04:32:07.000
They've never got that one going,
unfortunately, or Unpact Wrestling for that matter,

3542
04:32:07.319 --> 04:32:11.399
not until years and years later.
That's really from the Gordbuster drops Rude

3543
04:32:11.440 --> 04:32:14.239
stomach first off the top rope and
then drops a big elbow from uptop to

3544
04:32:14.559 --> 04:32:17.120
James Storm. That gets too Storm
trying to set up the superkick. It's

3545
04:32:17.120 --> 04:32:19.799
cod he's spun around Fisherman suplex attempt. No, it's reversed into the referee

3546
04:32:21.639 --> 04:32:23.559
almost running. Definitely he's James Strom, but he holds up the last minute.

3547
04:32:23.600 --> 04:32:27.239
Rude then is a corner charge and
hebner hits the floor and sells like

3548
04:32:27.319 --> 04:32:32.000
he twisted his knee big time.
I do prefer this then a referee acting

3549
04:32:32.040 --> 04:32:33.239
like he's been shot in the head
because someone taps him in the back.

3550
04:32:33.319 --> 04:32:37.280
But I agree, I agree he
sell an injury. He's out there grabbing

3551
04:32:37.319 --> 04:32:41.280
his knee and agony at ringside.
But by the way, did you notice

3552
04:32:41.319 --> 04:32:45.040
too, by the way, with
this match, the fucking Mike's underneath the

3553
04:32:45.159 --> 04:32:51.319
ring. Holy shit, like everything
that every bump felt like they fell a

3554
04:32:51.440 --> 04:32:56.760
hundred feet. It was thunder noticed. It was like I noticed. It

3555
04:32:56.760 --> 04:33:00.399
would be more intense than I've ever
heard any TNA it was like a WrestleMania

3556
04:33:02.399 --> 04:33:07.599
ring. Really, it's like a
boom everything. It was very impactful.

3557
04:33:07.799 --> 04:33:11.040
Well, Rude hit with a facebuster
and hits the floor. And then this

3558
04:33:11.119 --> 04:33:14.479
is a big s a big cinematic
moment. Here we go. He looks

3559
04:33:14.479 --> 04:33:17.560
over to the ring steps and he
notices that that's where James Storm left his

3560
04:33:17.680 --> 04:33:22.159
left his glass giver beer. Indeed, it's symbolic, to say the least.

3561
04:33:22.759 --> 04:33:26.880
And they take the shot of the
beer bottle and Storm look and Rude

3562
04:33:26.919 --> 04:33:30.360
looking at it from behind the steps. They frame it. They have a

3563
04:33:30.479 --> 04:33:36.520
moment of cinema here, indeed,
and as Hebner rolls back into the ring,

3564
04:33:36.599 --> 04:33:40.240
selling his whole fucking thing like,
oh, do I do it?

3565
04:33:40.400 --> 04:33:42.680
Should I do it? He's wrestling? Should I not? But he does

3566
04:33:42.720 --> 04:33:47.799
it. He grabs the beer bottle. Storm reaches through the ropes and Bobby

3567
04:33:47.880 --> 04:33:51.720
Rude turns heels smashing the beer bottle
over his buddy's head. Gets in the

3568
04:33:51.799 --> 04:33:56.279
ring and despite the glass shards everywhere, Brian Hembert looks right past it.

3569
04:33:56.080 --> 04:34:00.439
Decay, what happened? All right, let's go for the PM to count

3570
04:34:00.479 --> 04:34:04.919
the one, two, three,
Bobby Rude becomes the TENA World Heavyweight Champion,

3571
04:34:04.959 --> 04:34:10.759
pinning James Storm in the March third
two November third at twenty eleven Impact.

3572
04:34:11.720 --> 04:34:17.599
What was that about. He's gonna
turn heel. Now, Let's build

3573
04:34:17.680 --> 04:34:19.680
him for like a year to be
the baby face world champ and then have

3574
04:34:19.799 --> 04:34:22.759
him lose, and then when he
does win it he's a heel. Yeah.

3575
04:34:23.040 --> 04:34:26.080
I mean, I don't know.
It was a good heel turn.

3576
04:34:26.759 --> 04:34:30.759
It was a good match, but
I did appreciate him at afterwards. I

3577
04:34:30.799 --> 04:34:37.279
thought this was so funny. So
he wins and before he even gets the

3578
04:34:37.400 --> 04:34:44.240
belt, he taps his fucking wrist
so that Heavner will grab it and raise

3579
04:34:44.319 --> 04:34:45.799
his hand in victory. That was
really funny. Yeah, it was really

3580
04:34:45.880 --> 04:34:52.200
funny. Part of me wonders if
it'll play out. I'm sure it won't,

3581
04:34:52.520 --> 04:34:56.200
but if it will play out because
Angle did everything he could to win,

3582
04:34:56.959 --> 04:35:00.560
you know, he cheated to win
that. He's like, you know

3583
04:35:00.599 --> 04:35:02.639
what, fuck it, I'm gonna
cheat to win. I did I need

3584
04:35:02.720 --> 04:35:06.840
this belt more than anything? Yeah? Yeah, it was. It was

3585
04:35:06.880 --> 04:35:10.959
good. It was it was a
good Angle. It was um it just

3586
04:35:11.119 --> 04:35:15.240
it just didn't It's weird. It's
like, you know, all right,

3587
04:35:15.319 --> 04:35:18.279
fine, he can be the champion, but he can't be this baby faced

3588
04:35:18.319 --> 04:35:23.680
guy that I lobbied against winning it
band for glory like a bit I found

3589
04:35:23.759 --> 04:35:26.400
for glory. I mean, Jesus, what are you? What are you

3590
04:35:26.479 --> 04:35:30.439
asking here? I show did a
really good rate of seventy zero million viewers

3591
04:35:30.720 --> 04:35:36.080
UM, which is kind of interesting
how they're doing these great numbers and Hogan's

3592
04:35:36.119 --> 04:35:40.240
nowhere to be found, or at
least he's not all the show. Lets

3593
04:35:40.279 --> 04:35:45.000
you maybe you think that you know, oh shit, maybe he isn't that

3594
04:35:45.119 --> 04:35:48.360
important, right, He doesn't make
enough of a difference to justify they cost

3595
04:35:48.400 --> 04:35:51.720
out the door. But I'm sure
it's all Spikes money, right despite what

3596
04:35:51.840 --> 04:35:56.439
we're read and fucking black and white
Nerk Bischof's contract last week. So there

3597
04:35:56.479 --> 04:35:59.520
you have it, um and say
what you will. The interest aside at

3598
04:35:59.520 --> 04:36:00.880
the beginning of the show, But
just like last time, even though it's

3599
04:36:00.919 --> 04:36:04.040
the match they're building towards and it's
clear as day that this is the thing

3600
04:36:04.119 --> 04:36:08.119
to watch. This episode of impact
for the James Storm Bobby Root match does

3601
04:36:08.119 --> 04:36:14.560
a show low quarter hour rating,
so they're just not holding the interest as

3602
04:36:14.599 --> 04:36:18.439
the hours dragged on. Oh I
understand that not holding minds either. And

3603
04:36:18.599 --> 04:36:23.560
that'll pretty much be the case for
the for the last two months of twenty

3604
04:36:23.759 --> 04:36:27.360
eleven because Hulk Cogan is not on
any of the shows. Bobby Rood feuds

3605
04:36:27.360 --> 04:36:30.040
to aj Styles and defends against him. On pay per view, he defends

3606
04:36:30.040 --> 04:36:33.360
against m He continues to feud a
bit with James Storm as well, and

3607
04:36:33.520 --> 04:36:36.919
just kind of goes off to,
you know, be the defending champion.

3608
04:36:36.919 --> 04:36:40.599
He isn't much the same position honestly
that Jeff Hardy was in the fall of

3609
04:36:40.639 --> 04:36:44.639
twenty and ten, you know,
getting annointed champion, turning freshly heel and

3610
04:36:44.919 --> 04:36:51.000
going off and defending against a row
of baby faces until the Hulkster can reinsinuate

3611
04:36:51.119 --> 04:36:56.240
himself into the ten is A and
star making calls and as Bobby rootka exciting

3612
04:36:56.279 --> 04:37:00.200
stuff woist the title tazant Nay Express
Shock. Can't believe Bobby went to this

3613
04:37:00.319 --> 04:37:03.040
level and got it done like this, and Mike Tenais's that's how you treat

3614
04:37:03.119 --> 04:37:08.040
a brother. Bullshit brother. What
who