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Well we're here. We're on the
doorstep of Hull, Coogan putting all that

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gear in his back to the test
in twenty eleven, Oh Boy, Hulkster

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returning to the ring as part of
a total NonStop Hogan here and the Lapsed

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Fan Wrestling podcast It Bound for Glory
twenty eleven. Boss, and you better

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believe he's in jeans? What what
did? Who? Now? Would you

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say talk about getting back on track? Jesus literally get him at back on

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a track. Only the second match
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know, he wrestled on that March
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Abyss against aj Styles and Rick Flair, and that was, you know,

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extremely limited in terms of mobility because
it was prior to him going all in

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on the fusion surgery. He was
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very limited in that regard. Here
though, against Sting and what essentially they

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ended up making a street fight so
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street clothes and I'm not gonna do
I'm not going to wrestle you, brother,

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but I'll fight you dude. Time
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know what what is so funny?
Like what box in his mind? Do

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you think it checks to draw that
distinction? Like if he said this was

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a wrestling match and he just came
out dressed like that and brawled, people

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would be fine with it, I
know, I know, especially because you

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know, and I don't want to
give too much weight till we kind of

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dig into it. But they start
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right, right, you know,
I mean they would do right exactly?

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No DQ, you know, fine
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Like, don't don't. I mean, I don't know what he thinks he

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does in American wrestling that he can't
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you know. Besides that can't dude, no matter what you call the

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match, right, So it's like, what the fuck? Like, what

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do you? What do you?
What can't you do? Pal? That

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can't be a standard Whole Cogan wrestling
match. So we've spent so many weeks

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in TNH chronicling Whole Cogan's you know, chronic back issues throughout the run of

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TNA, and you know, like
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glimpse of him attempting to do something
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were you what were your expectations?
Do you expect this this first time you've

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ever seen this match? I take
it against absolutely absolutely. You expected to

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be sort of like a cringe fest. And was it better than expected or

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was it worse than expected? Given
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his back? I was really I
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it was fine, you know,
all things considered. Yeah, it wasn't

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when weren't talking, you know,
it's not it's not Hogan Stan Hansen,

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Okay for sure, but it's um, it's it's totally passable. And and

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again, you know, you know
who gets credit for that, Sting.

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Yes, let's talk about how it
stings. I mean, he's still pouncing

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around the ring like like he's put
on earth to carry food. Dude.

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I seriously, I never would have
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Sting is carrying people two matches,
like carrying matches on his back and he's

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doing an incredible job. He's not
you know, he's he's not overselling.

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He's not pulling a Shawn Michaels and
and fucking bouncing all over the place till

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it's a fucking goof fest. But
he's doing such a great job at making

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everything work and really doing the the
thing that you don't really recognize unless you're

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really looking for it, which these
days I totally am is how is the

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is really the? Um? What
the hell? What do the magicians do?

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You know? When you go see
a magic show, they do a

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trick. It's not a trick,
trick, but they basically they're they're having

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you look someplace else. And I
can't think of the exact term. Yeah,

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yeah, distracting. Yeah, it's
direction, misdirection, thank you,

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you don't really see unless you're looking
at Hogan. How fucking It's like with

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Flair and that Flair match with Sting, It's like Flair is hardly moving,

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he's hardly pushing and hardly using any
strength. It's all Sting and the same

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thing here. Hogan's got a little
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But um, it's it's totally it's
totally passable for for two guys, you

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know, you know, uh two
AARP wrestlers. Oh totally, Yet Sting

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I don't think at that point.
But yeah, the sting, Sting,

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I'll tell you stings, a fucking
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journey. Oh yeah, I think
I think we're really arriving at that.

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It's he is. I don't under
I still don't understand what it is that

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that that Tenah did, that Tena
rather did to bring out such great work

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out of him that couldn't move forward
when he went to other places, you

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know, like when he went back
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as in ring stuff was deplorable.
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it being that bad. I thought
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pretty sure I thought it was pretty
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he's a magician. He's a fucking
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hero of a journey is. It's
somebody that you don't expect to be the

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person that most consistently delights you exactly
all the cast of characters you consider on

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the front end of it, you
get excited about, right, And I've

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never been this excited about Sting before
ever. That's like the tragedy of Sting's

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career. It's like he's just,
for whatever reason, when he's put it

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all together, the universe has conspired
to make those moments lower profile than the

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have been. You know, w
drawn six hundred people, they're taping at

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center stage. He's having these incredible
matches with Vader, but no one gives

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a fuck of Forrest is falling in
the tree apart, a tree is falling.

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Trees forest could be falling too.
That's true, especially with Vader on

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the on the command. You know, you see here TNA, But you

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know, eight hundred people at a
sound stage at Universal hardly any growth and

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to of their you know, television
viewing audience, playing to the same people

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that saw him. But man,
they're they're making you believe with those with

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that audio that it's more than eight
hundred people. Oh they're not. They're

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doing quite the opposite. I've never
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in this era, it's so pathetic. I mean, it's it's really like,

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sit me down with a person who
thought this was a good idea.

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I sat there and I was like, you know, because because when when

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you don't again, when you don't
look at the details, you kind of

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it kind of just goes over your
head in a way. But I'm sitting

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there, and especially because we have
seen them in other buildings besides the zone

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of impact, you're all of a
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We're in Florida and there is a
loud crowd making noise, and then

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I sort of looking in the background
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they do move, it doesn't match
the fake audio. It does not,

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of course, not no one.
No one's that excited about TNA, So

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I don't know even why they're good. This could be better than the alternative,

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you know. Yeah, I mean, we've heard unsweetened impact his own

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crowd noise, and it's not great. But it's interesting. When it's crowd

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noise, you just check out because
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can't trust your ear in terms of
like, yeah, you know, part

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of the fun of watching wrestling is
to see these guys and women figure out

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how to get a rise out of
a crowd. And when you can't trust

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the course you're hearing, it takes
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pro wrestling, I feel like.
And one thing too, It's like,

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if you were guys were in a
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accept it because maybe there are people
way up in the rafters who we can't

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see that are cheering loudly. Yeah. Well, but when we see that,

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when when we see the back wall
of the building and we hear a

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raucous cheer that sounds like it's coming
from a cavernous arena, that like,

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right, like voices are traveling across
break we come on, we I know

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the sound of studio wrestling. Okay, it's a very very clean, like

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intimate sound. So don't don't don't, all right, duck fellas well.

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By the time it's all said and
done, Hulk Cogan is back in the

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Red and Yellow and has broken it
off with Bischoff and the whole heel,

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the ill advised heel who has it
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And in a lot of ways we
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eleven, where the whole you know, Hogan, Dixie Carter, Eric Bischoff,

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Jeff Jarrett, although Jarrett becomes obviously
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this culminates, uh angle, you
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on the line, and man if
we beat that drum, yes and beat

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that dead horse over the weeks here
on TNH but this really is the end

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of that whole struggle that they don't
really ever quite go back to. Like,

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you know, Dixie Carter's ownership of
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thankfully, and it's calling and they're
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They God, they overdo it on
the on the first impact after Bound

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for Glory. In terms of time
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all right, I don't remember how
it all ended, but I know

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between between the opening segment okay,
which lasted like a half hour and the

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the the the the third segment that
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in to the file, two matches
happened. Oh dude, yeah, two

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like ten minute matches happened. Besides
that, it's all fucking talking. But

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wait a minute I thought wrestling matters. Oh that's the thing. It's like

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they start wrestling matters tagline at the
exact opposite time that that's what they're doing.

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It's whatever they can fucking do.
They'll say anything to just get you

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know, that WCW crowd that fucking
left. Yeah, you know, and

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never watch wrestling again. And I
probably already said this, but what's ironic

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is wrestling doesn't matter. No,
that's kind of the fun of it,

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right, Um, once it starts
mattering, then it becomes a fucking chore

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and you end up having blood feuds
on Twitter and wanting to like roll up

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on somebody. So here we are, Kenna. It was just for you.

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Terry. Ogan's getting back in the
ring and the hair is long.

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The hair's longer than it should be
in the back. It's so inappropriate.

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I mean, dude, just like, especially you're gonna whip off the bandana'd

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like, just you don't have to
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does not compensate for the baldness on
top. No, it does not.

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I mean, hull Hogan's growing hair
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to construct a trump like comb over
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he's not doing it. Rings the
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so not doing that. Uh the
fancy, the fancy shit you do

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when you're trying to do the comb
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yang? Yes, and no roller
you know, dude, whore talking about

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you and the yang dude? No, no, hide the ball, brother,

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No hide the bald dude. All
right, brother, the bald dude

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is out in front. Brother.
You know you know we no no,

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no thugging and bugging bro. Bro. By that time we're done this week,

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Hogan will be riding with those ape
hangers off into the horizon on the

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piece of Oh my god, I'm
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So I lot to dig into.
But uh, you know, if

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we're gonna talk about Hogan, we
gotta dig into that fucking nutrition to start

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with. I reckon and boss brother, what and what's more on brand than

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our friends at Titan Nutrition who believe
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these weeks, and uh, we're
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Terry, I know, I know
you're a certainly supporter of Titan Nutrition.

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Well, brother. I would just
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I have done Titan nutrition, brother, but i am not addicted to Titan

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nutrition and I'm not currently on Titan
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Brother. Well, the same camp
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say, you know what these guys
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What's the brand? Are brand?
And the brand is tight Nutrition and

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it's going so well. Brand Central
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call the ad part of our podcast, Brand Central Station. You fucking piece

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of shit, bitch. Let's fucking
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we're creating this podcast, and let's
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America. Without inventory, there is
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fill said inventory thanks to our friends. Just like uh in um, just

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like fucking ned beat, he says, in uh uh um in h in

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network, there are no nations,
there are no peoples. There is only

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the holistic money of Moneies or whatever
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great finish their boss. Yeah,
holistic money Moneies or whatever it is.

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Oh I remember there is no nations, there are no people's right, that's

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a great is a great speech.
I used his monolon ones. Does it

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qualify for under the cinemat? We're
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are you really? Yeah? Absolutely, Although you know, Tom Atanasio

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told me he's like, you know, because I because of the network gimmicks.

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Last PNH, all we did was
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So he's kind of like, he
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and we look forward to sharing the
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We're gonna I guess, I don't
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like we used to the Hopper in
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days. Oh god, We're like, nobody's going to give us fifty dollars

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on Patreon, so it'll be a
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okay, oh yeah, like fucking
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get three amount of people that were
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lacking the context as to why the
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that's the reason because we basically lost
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months. Yeah, it was rough
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makes a lot of sense. I
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hundred times, when you break it
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right, and the damn fucking straight
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we about crotch. It's about it, It's about it's it's it's about insertion,

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dynamic fiction, dynamic friction for that
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do that, to put it quite
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look in the way you want so
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there. You need to keep it
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razors here at TLF, getting that
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perfect partnership. Welcome back to the
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not a fucking joke, going on
ten years of lapstone, Oh yeah,

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and your fucking ears and other orifices. So, uh, if Hogan's

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going to return to the ring,
he's got to go on Howard Stern.

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Right, Oh, you're damn right, he asked to I mean, the

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hookster was not shy about stopping by. He was never shy about going in

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there and subjecting himself to Howard's you
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So did you you know the deal? And uh yeah, Hogan's, um,

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really, exactly did you get it? Did you get it? Where

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did you get you get it?
Wow? You did? And then you

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entered her? Oh my god,
oh my god. Amazing On the marine

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under the Cinemat that's available now on
Patreon. Yes, you played clips of

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John Cena doing one of those sort
of tawdry interviews with Howard Stern and holy

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shit, oh yeah, is it
hilarious the way Stern describes Seena going in

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on a larger law it's I can
see it totally rolling with it and rolling

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with a you know a little hefty
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that was his previous fried to do
it huh hilarious. Yeah, truly amazing.

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As we're starting our marine journey over
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at initiated, that's on our executive
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lapsed fan and know a lot of
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of the teenage journey. So yes, we don't hesitate to remind that EP,

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moat and EP you want the goods, that's where you want to be.

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Yeah, we just did the marine
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Dba Junior amazing time in considering his
position of the headlines these days. Oh

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what a fucking what a romp?
What a romp for that motherfucker. Truly

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truly, Jesus, it's a whole
other level at Patreon. It's it's you've

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got a really mean business to join
us over there, especially the moat tier

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you mentioned. I mean, God, I mean you have to be such

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a fucking king or queen to mean
that much to us. But if you've

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got the uh the risk appetite in
the wallet, we'd love to see you

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all the way up at the tip
top tier. But that's reserved for very

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special folks and very special considerations from
your coach chairs. That's for people who

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want to know what it was like, what it's like to watch wrestling with

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my mom exactly wrestling Maria every Monday. For the MOTE tier members only recall

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what it was like to sit in
the living room carpet with normal adults in

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the room making comments about how foolish
this all is. Mama Sorrow is a

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is a voice from that distant past. It's not so distant, not not

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for remote members, Nope, Nope, it's it's like it's every Monday,

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just like it used to be every
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Just they just uh, let me
see what what what was listened to

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by the time this, uh,
this one drops, they would have listened

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to so random. It's so fucking
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The Great American Bash two thousand and
seven, What the fuck? And if

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you're wondering, No, we don't
hesitate to allow MOTE members to suggest what

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matches Mama Sara watch absolutely, I
love it. Please DMUs any which way

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you can? Oh yeah, within
Patreon. Absolutely, Yeah, DM DMUs

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within Patreon, if you're a mote
member, let us know what you want

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to see, because we'll get there
eventually, no question, no question at

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all. Yeah. I did that
one because she's a fan of Bobby Lashley

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from seeing him on like Good Morning
America or some bullshit. How random is

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that? So random? It's like, oh, how are you gonna be

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able to watch a Bobby lash And
I was like, well, she loves

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John Cena too because he's from fucking
West Newbury. Yeah, well I get

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that one. Yeah, hometown ties
my mind. But yeah, it's just

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great value for your money. Of
course, you could add free versions of

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this podcast. You get the Deep
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used to call it a day earlier
than everybody else, so by the time

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most folks here are part twos every
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They're waiting for more. They're waiting
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of Friday Baby, that's right.
So Under the Cinemats available exclusively on Patreon

404
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to the the eptier and above.
We also, of course have our monthly

405
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w W pay per view live calls. We watch modern WWE so you don't

406
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have to coming up. Of course, backlash from Puerto Rico, your co

407
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,359
chairs, sit down and grin and
Barrett baby, and give voice to what

408
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,440
it means to be lapsed and to
watch this through lapsed colored glasses. Are

409
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,000
we going to see that youngster,
Carlos Cologne? You know it surprised me

410
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,039
if you wouldn't be in the building. I'm not sure he'll be on the

411
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:45,839
show. I love that youngster.
So many reasons to join us on Patreon

412
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,799
and shout outs coming your way for
those who have taken the plane. So

413
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,279
pardon that divergence. We need to
get to the Hulkster here as he sits

414
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,720
with Howard Stern just days before his
return to the ring against staying at Bound

415
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,559
for Glory twenty eleven. Of course
the show in Fili, Yes, they

416
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,480
taken on the road one more time. Um here in twenty eleven. Let's

417
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,599
hear all the Hulkster has to say. And boss, do you think the

418
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,599
first question out of Robin's mouth is
concerning the fact that it might not all

419
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:18,000
be real? I would imagine,
listen, I would be disappointed if she

420
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,440
didn't go there right for all these
years? Do you think that that's a

421
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,519
worthwhile question. I think. I
think in terms of the realm of the

422
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,680
Howard Stern Show, I believe she
is the last editor of the Howard Stern

423
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,359
Show. Fucking go Hogan Stern Hulk. Yes, sir, you had spinal

424
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,440
fusion for nine hours. Yeah that's
no joke. Yeah, no, twelve

425
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,559
hours, twelve hours. Recently,
um goes back surgery number eighth. Brother,

426
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:52,799
You know, wrestling fake injuries are
real injuries. It's a performance real

427
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,039
I've come to understand that wrestling is
a performance. Yes, that is,

428
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:03,440
brother, demanding the body. Okay, it's cruel to the body like footballer

429
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:08,599
is because you get slammed, chairs
pounded over your back. So so,

430
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,920
just because the ending is predetermined,
and when Howard and I wrestle, everybody

431
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,359
knows that Howard's gonna beat me.
Where so great that just because we know

432
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,160
who's gonna win, that doesn't mean
what happens during the match is fake.

433
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,920
Because I've never had a match.
I didn't get hurt. Wow, I'll

434
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,920
show you one picture. You got
an iPhone and look how big your hands

435
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,400
are. How do you type on
that thing? I don't think you can.

436
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,440
Can you actually type a text?
So I can send you with thumbs

437
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,079
on. This was seven Now I'm
not giving you the phone because you'll take

438
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,960
it from me. Let me say
this was seven months ago. Oh my

439
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,279
god. See that thing in the
corner. Yeah, that's a battery in

440
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:47,759
your back. Yeah, and I
gotta get that taken out. The wires

441
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,359
go from the battery up the middle
of my back to the field place today.

442
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,440
So let me ask you, then, why would you Did you run

443
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,720
out of money? I gotta figure
out, like you made us divorce.

444
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,680
I had the divorce, I had
the civil case where they sued me for

445
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,599
sixty million bucks. Why are you
let's go into that. Why are you

446
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:14,640
wrestling again with Impact Wrestling? Brother? This has nothing to do with Vince

447
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,079
McMahon. No, no, no, he's got another company that's been around

448
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:18,440
for seven or eighty years. Has
you ever called you and said, why

449
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,920
are you competing against me? What
are you doing to me? Because he

450
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,720
strikes me as a guy who wants
to own the world. In other words,

451
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,720
then calls in the past where you
know there's been differences of opinion.

452
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:36,240
What's the difference of opinion? Your
opinion is you should have more money and

453
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:37,799
you should have less. Well,
that's the only thing we ever argued about

454
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,599
was about money. Yeah. But
I mean a lot of people, including

455
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:47,000
people that work with Vince, think
I should have stayed there. My whole

456
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,119
life started there and worked for Vince's
dad in the late seventies, and I

457
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480
should have ended my career there,
But I kind of like did some other

458
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,680
stuff, work for Ted Turner and
Eric Bischoff and I'm working for Dixie Carter

459
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,319
over there is your opinion of your
own career. You are You are the

460
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,599
biggest of all time. In other
words, you were the most famous.

461
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,079
You were the only wrestler ever appeared
on the cover of Sports illig Yes,

462
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,119
sir, so you were the biggest
wrestler of all times, Deny Hodge,

463
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240
and you're probably appoint to Vince's You
know what, I'm not complaining. I

464
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,839
made a lot of money with you
and all of this, but you probably

465
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,240
don't treat me now with the respect
I need, you know, the honest

466
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,799
truth to cut through all the crap. Late eighties or early nineties, when

467
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,519
all of a sudden the government focused
on wrestling with the steroids, um,

468
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,680
that was something that kind of like
pulled the whole business apart, right and

469
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,440
it was time for me to move
and do something else. I went and

470
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,920
part enough with the Baywatch guys and
did Thunder and Paradise for a couple of

471
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,240
years, and Ted Turner's group happened
to be on the sound stage next to

472
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,279
me in Orlando, so I kind
of like started talking with them. Never

473
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:52,640
was going to get back into wrestling
again, but you know, they may

474
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,079
be an offer I couldn't refuse.
So I worked for Ted and Eric Bischoff

475
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,200
for seven or eight years, but
at the end of the day, it

476
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,079
just natch, really, you know, the way the government came after the

477
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:06,640
wrestling business, kind of like how
they're coming after football and baseball and everything

478
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160
else. It just wasn't a comfortable
environment for anybody. So I kind of

479
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,960
just s went my own leg.
You estimated that you've gone through hundreds of

480
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,680
millions of dollars of you and I
made a lot of money in the business.

481
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,960
You made a ton of money in
your business. Are you upset with

482
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,799
yourself that you didn't understand the value
of that money and that you didn't understand

483
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:30,599
how to handle the money because you
were spending out of control? Right?

484
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,200
I mean, it takes two to
tango. You know, my wife and

485
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,200
I were before Ted Turner was going
to retire from wrestling, right, and

486
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,960
you know, we were all set
with a beautiful home, and then there

487
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:47,160
were some decisions made to build an
yeah whatever. Yeah, and so you

488
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,319
know it's like I was one of
these guys that always didn't want to spend

489
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:52,119
what I say, So I said, let me go back to work to

490
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,160
pay for this, that and the
other. And it just steamrolled and instead

491
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,720
of retiring at thirty to thirty nine
years old, I wrestled into my fifties.

492
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,480
A guy getting into wrestling, Now, would your first advice be,

493
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:07,440
you know what, take a business
class, learn how to understand money and

494
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,440
understand finances. Right, well,
I was set until you know, the

495
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,400
divorce happened, until the civil case
happened. Well, all right, so

496
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,000
let's get back to this. You're
doing an event. I'm not going to

497
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,719
wrestle for eight back surgeries. Brother, I made that cleared everyone done wrestling?

498
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,880
Yeah, I mean, you know, the back surgeries. I'm not

499
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,119
gonna put on this performance where it's
a wrestling match. But I said,

500
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,320
if it's push toms of the show, I'll take the fifth up and fight

501
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,599
you, right, you know,
so that's what it is. After the

502
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,079
main event or before the main event
of the world title, Paul Cogan's going

503
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,119
to fight Sting for control of the
company. Brother, I say, I

504
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,480
got it all right. Where's the
outcome now? Yeah? Oh you're so

505
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:49,639
bad? Uh? Brother? What
I have control over the outcomes of my

506
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,400
matches? I don't know. If
you've read my contract, brother, and

507
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,119
you should know, Robin, that
outcome includes whatever promos maybe cut subsequent to

508
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:00,039
my match, even after I've left
the building that had that whatever, whatever

509
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,960
the outcome is, dude, I
make an income, brother, Robin,

510
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,280
are you what are you? Wait
a minute, Robin? Why did you

511
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:13,679
when you said whoa dude? Wait? Brother? Why are you behind that

512
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,639
class? Yeah? Why are you
got a room here? We're out here

513
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,079
in the open, rob I understand
you hear that perch. What's going on,

514
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,519
Robin? What's going on? Dude? What's in there? Why?

515
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:23,679
What you got in the in the
booth? What do you got You're gonna

516
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,280
roll me up inside? Dude?
What the fuck? Brother? What did

517
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,760
you just say? Robin? He's
just going stream of consciousness instead of where

518
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,760
are you going? Where are you
going? What? Terry just t this

519
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,840
is my stern Terry, just just
relax. It's gonna be fine saying anything.

520
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,559
Why are you? First of all, dude, why are you too

521
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,519
men to relax? Brother? You
know you're in you're in my studio.

522
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:51,480
Yeah, he's dude. You want
me to feel what? Brother'll relax?

523
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:55,159
Feel feel like you have to worry
a parent? Dude? Why would you?

524
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,480
I mean, you're acting like you
know some of them. The government's

525
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,239
about to roll up here, and
you know, try to whoa whoa whoa

526
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,639
whoa. Brother. Let's first,
let's let's kind of dial it in,

527
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,840
dude, Right, let's dial the
shit in. Brother. All right,

528
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,760
let's stop playing games. Brother,
Let's stop playing Hide the Hide the Ball.

529
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,079
I'm so glad that's in the repertoire. Now. My new teenage was

530
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:25,920
worth it because I got it.
Why you're talking? Government rolled up?

531
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,159
Brother? What's going on? Dude? Yeah, it's um it's what they

532
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,199
what they feed the kids in public
school. Brother. I want to know,

533
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,119
Wait a minute, why do you
I mean, I'm here and she's

534
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:43,719
asking me questions about dude. You
understand, brother, I don't know what's

535
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:52,000
going on. You don't understand that
I don't know what's going on, like,

536
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,880
if you know enough to know that
you don't know what's going on?

537
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:01,519
You know what's going on? What? What do you now this this studio?

538
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,119
Brother? I was Are there any
two way mirrors in here? Dude?

539
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Brother? Where are the two way
mirrors? Dude? Right? Let

540
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,119
me let me let me phrase it
that way. Brother. I know they're

541
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,400
here, brother, I want to
know where they are. Why are you

542
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,840
asking me if it's real, Robin? Why why do you keep harping on?

543
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Can I are you recording me?
Brother? Hey? Well, it

544
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:27,000
is a radio show, Terry.
What hold on? That was way too

545
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,960
good? Are you recording me?
Brother? Well, it is a radio

546
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:37,920
show, Terry? What? What? Like? What do people tell him?

547
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,559
This was a fucking padded room that
no one could bust. I was

548
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,559
told I was having a Sittown conversation
with Howard Stern. Dude. I don't

549
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:52,719
know what the fuck is going on? Where are you, dude? Where

550
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,519
you at? Brother? It's from
in front of them, Where are you,

551
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,519
dude? Because I don't know where
dude. I'm like looking around,

552
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,559
brother, I'm like, you know, where's Howard Stern? Dude? Where's

553
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,559
Robin? Brother? I'm trying to
figure out what the fuck is going on,

554
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,639
and all of a sudden, I
got ship just fucking land in front

555
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,760
of me, brother, and I'm
like, well, where you know,

556
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,880
where is it? Dude? I
guess getting back on track isn't so easy,

557
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,840
isn't what? He's got so much
to say there? Um Well,

558
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,480
you know, first of all,
he he talks very artfully around how much

559
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,239
money he made and how much money
he lost? God does he not?

560
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,639
You know, It's like Stern asks
him a pretty straightforward question about the state

561
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,920
of his finances and he's like,
oh, I made a lot of money

562
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,159
in wrestling. It's like, it's
not what I say. He spent a

563
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,800
lot all about my wife and it's
history. Tango dude takes two to tango

564
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,000
brother. And of course there's oh
god, the Graziano settlement, as we've

565
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,079
talked about. But one thing it's
very interesting around October twenty eleven, when

566
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,039
Bound for Glory takes place, is
this article hits the same Pete Times down

567
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:06,000
in Florida, part me the Tampa
Times whenever it's called down in um down

568
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,519
in Florida. And I don't know, just you know, we've spent so

569
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:13,239
much time kind of just brushing by
the fact that you know, or just

570
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,400
taking for granted the idea that hul
Cogan really got hosed in the settlement with

571
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:22,960
the family of the young man you
know that was paralyzed and rendered basically a

572
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:28,119
vegetable in the car accident while his
son Nick was driving. And we know

573
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,599
there was a settlement. We know
there was a cash settlement. We've talked

574
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,400
about it at length at TNH.
It was a big part of the precursor

575
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,320
of Hogan arriving. I mean,
he's doing interviews the day he does the

576
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,480
TENA press conference and he's on Larry
King, and all they're asking him about

577
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:44,920
is this. So it's been woven
into the fabric of TNH from the beginning,

578
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,559
and it's it's always sort of interesting
that all you ever hear in terms

579
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:52,039
of a number is I got sued
four sixty million dollars. And you remember

580
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,360
when we were reading the laser spine
deposition, how much his attorney freaked out,

581
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,679
and he freaked out when the the
attorney was kind of trying to edge

582
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,719
towards getting Hogan to name the settlement
numbers, like should I say this?

583
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,239
He had no hesitation on any other
question. He was ready with his Carny

584
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,000
answers in a fucking seven. But
there's something they don't want to say about

585
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,639
this settlement number. And I wonder
if it might be because it would puncture

586
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:22,679
the narrative that this settlement put hulkoke
and flat on his back and justified all

587
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:28,280
of these cash grabs. I'd like
you to read this article really for no

588
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,159
other reason that it came out.
You know, the same exact time is

589
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,440
found for Glory, right, And
I think shed some light on why Hogan

590
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,239
chooses to phrase it as I was
sued for sixty million dollars, not that

591
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:44,360
I lost sixty million dollars. Oh. Debrah Graciano's sole job is to take

592
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,199
care for her son, John,
who suffered severe brain damage when he was

593
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,039
injured in a car wrecked wrecked by
Nick Balaya in two thousand and seven.

594
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:58,920
She feeds the former marine marine brother, bathes him, dresses him, takes

595
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,800
him to doctor's appointment. For that
work, she makes just one thousand,

596
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,000
seven hundred and fifty dollars a month. Her only income paid from a settlement

597
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,360
reached between attorneys for John Graziano and
Terry Balaya, the wealthy professional wrestler and

598
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,119
entertainer, known as Hulk Hogan,
and well, you know, one would

599
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,719
have expected there would be sufficient there
would have been a sufficient fund to provide

600
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:28,960
a caregiver or caregivers for John Graziano, says Edward Graziano's attorney, John Trevina.

601
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,679
Now missus Graziano is going to be
devoting the remainder of her life to

602
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,880
the care of her son without any
outside of hell. It's extremely sad,

603
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:43,079
it's tragic. Information about the financial
settlement was revealed Friday in a newly filed

604
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:49,000
court document, a deposition of Debra
Graziano taking taken for her ongoing divorce case

605
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:55,159
from her husband, Edward Graziano brother, would Hogan I need to give I

606
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,719
give credit to Evan for this one
from a dark side of the ring.

607
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:07,079
Hogan must depose as opposed to Hogan
must pose. That's right. In the

608
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,159
deposition, Deborah Graziano said she believes
about one point five million dollars in the

609
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:17,320
settlement remains after payments to attorneys and
the veterans hospital that cared for John after

610
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,000
the accident. Travina is not privy
to the amount of the confidential settlement,

611
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:27,199
but based on the remaining funds,
he estimated Friday that it could not have

612
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,159
topped five million dollars. You very
much, Travina said. Experts he talked

613
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:37,639
to had valued a potential settlement at
between twenty five and six and twenty five

614
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,039
and fifty million dollars. One of
those experts have been Terry Hogan Blea himself.

615
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,159
I got suited for sixty million,
dude. Brother. They came to

616
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,920
me, brother, they said,
I'm taking sixty million dollars from your brother.

617
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,840
What am I supposed to say?
Brother never actually came out of my

618
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,280
bank account or not his immaterial brother. They said that's what they what they

619
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,000
were going for, dude. They
were coming for me, brother. So

620
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,920
in a lot of ways they inflicted
the emotional damage of taking sixty million dollars

621
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,360
for me, brother, without actually
I kind have done it. I could.

622
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,039
I could feel like I got sued
right for sixty million dollars. Brother.

623
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:14,519
The question isn't did Hull Coogan lose
sixty million dollars in the Grunziano settlement.

624
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,840
The question is did Hull code did
I feel like he lost sixty How

625
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,480
did I feel? Dude? That's
the question, brother, Who's feeling?

626
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:28,519
Who? Right? All right?
How am I feeling, brother, What

627
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:35,679
am I feeling? Dude? Where
am I? Brother? What? Zoom

628
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,880
out like six times and he's he's
standing on like the edge of a of

629
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,079
a of a needle, and it's
like he turns. It turns out he's

630
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,800
as big as like a little gnat
and there's this like vast universe. The

631
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:55,840
more you zoom out that he's like
a little speck in what the end like

632
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,800
animated like that MTV show A on
flux used to be and then and then

633
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:09,800
and then there's a deep old what
are you going for? Where are you

634
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:20,159
wolcovin ye of my needle? Can
you give me a favorite? Boss?

635
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:29,920
Could you just say Sammy Gabara on
that Sammy okay? Good Sammy guaver and

636
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:42,440
cheese and panado? So how would
um this attorney describe the settlement in terms

637
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,920
of its amounting? It's appallingly low. I was stunned. You know.

638
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,360
It's a tempt at the value I
had anticipated. Appallingly low. That's right,

639
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:59,599
brother, woo, what was that? That's a flight of fancy that

640
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:07,760
from mister Nanny and who I think
we've come to a realization. It's taken

641
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,159
a while. We've been on this
journey for months now. Yes, I

642
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,079
kind of think TNH is about maybe
ten to twelve sounds. In fact,

643
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,920
I think every journey we've ever done
here at the Lapsed Fan is about ten

644
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,360
to twelve. It always, it
always breaks down to sound. Can I

645
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,239
ask you a favor? And can
you just maybe do you know seven or

646
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,800
eight of them with a with a
beat of silence between. What do you

647
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:37,679
consider the essence of TNH in terms
of sound? That was one? If

648
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,079
you heard you? I heard You're
fucking getting me still ringing in my ears?

649
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:53,480
From the transcript, reading from the
deposition reading pooh good one you you

650
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,320
cackling like a school girl? Doesn't
count. One does not count. It

651
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,639
does not count. Yeah, that's
too similar to the first one. All

652
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,599
right, well, hey they are
very different. There's yeah, nuances to

653
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:24,920
it, there are nuances. Let's
train the AI absolutely or can I submit

654
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:32,639
one? Yes? Hangking, hanging
king king, because if I have to

655
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,159
go around one more fucking minute in
my life with a Dixie Carter ten a

656
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:46,199
theme song in my mind. And
what's key. What's key is you don't

657
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:51,880
just picture a tron video exclusively of
her walking around, because that's the extent

658
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,280
of the footage they have of her, but it's it's not just her walking

659
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,920
around, it's her walking gingerly down
the stage while she has high heels on.

660
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,760
Do you know what I mean?
I know exactly, like very careful

661
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,880
step because you're not supposed to walk
on a surface like that with those kind

662
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,800
of shoes on one on one on
one, one, one on one,

663
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,519
one one on one on one on
one on them. And also that,

664
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,639
Yeah, that's true. Backup d
ye, Yes, it's very true.

665
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:28,239
What about the sound whoa sounds like
a dying pig? Like a man mort

666
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,400
cup oh waited? Wasn't there a
two thousand and eight financial aff of David

667
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,239
according to this article or up stated
is net worth that's a starting in a

668
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,000
In a two thousand and eight financial
aff of David, Terry bala I said

669
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:43,599
his net worth was thirty two point
four million dollars. It's just like kind

670
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,239
of not along when Starn started talking
about how he made hundreds of millions of

671
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,880
dollars, I made it, just
like no no holds barred. Why I

672
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,320
made it, dude? You know
I made money, brother, I made

673
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:59,119
money. Dude, I don't have
money. There's a distinction, brother,

674
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:07,679
what Who. In two thousand and
seven, Terry and Linda Balaya, who

675
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,679
are now divorced, sold on Miami
Beach house for seventeen million dollars. Property

676
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,400
records show Balatas seventeen thousand square foot
bel air mansion is currently on the market

677
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,079
for eight point eight million dollars.
It was originally listed at twenty five million

678
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:29,119
dollars. Trevina's estimated Friday that Terry
Bala had at least twenty million dollars in

679
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:32,880
assets that could have been liquidated for
the settlement to provide for John Graziano's future

680
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,119
care. Debra Graziano and Ballet's attorney
could not be reached for comment Friday,

681
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:44,440
but attorney George Tragos, one of
the attorneys who represented John Graziano's interests in

682
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:50,719
the civil suits, said Debra Graziano
was satisfied with the settlement. Well,

683
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,559
you gotta be realistic, it's going
to be collectable. You know, We've

684
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:59,639
collected every dime of the subtlement,
Tragos said. It's also important to note

685
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:04,760
that a nearly eight million dollar bill
to the Veterans Administration was negotiated down to

686
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,320
a lower amount and paid from the
settlement. Now the Va will continue to

687
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,480
treat John for the rest of his
life at no cost to him. Trago

688
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:15,639
said John Graziano suffered devastating head injuries
and then two thousand and seven accident.

689
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,559
The driver of the speeding car was
Nick Balaia, the youngest child of Terry

690
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,639
Balaya. Debor Graziano has been caring
for her son since he was released from

691
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:27,679
the hospital in September two thousand and
nine. In the deposition, she said

692
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
she's left with about thirty five dollars
a week for herself after paying for health

693
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:36,039
and car insurance, her cell phone, groceries, living essentials, and her

694
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:40,239
monthly tithe at her church thirty five
dollars a week thirty five dollars a week.

695
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,599
Jesus ed and Debora Graziano, who
were married in Virginia in nineteen ninety

696
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,920
three, have two sons and a
daughter who are who are all in their

697
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,280
twenties. Evidence of marital discord began
appearing in court records in two thousand and

698
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,760
four, when Debora Graziano filed for
the first of several restraining orders against her

699
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,079
husband. She alleged he hit her, stalked her, tried to sick the

700
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,719
family dog on her and threatened to
kill her multiple times. In February two

701
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,199
thousand and nine, authorities arrested Edward
Graziano after they said he offered twenty one

702
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,360
hundred dollars and a pizza shop gift
card to an undercover deputy to kill Deborah.

703
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,760
In May, he was sentenced to
ten years in prison after he pleaded

704
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,199
no contest to a charge of solicitation
to commit murder. The conviction is being

705
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,280
appealed, Travina said. A final
divorce hearing is scheduled for November seventh.

706
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,519
Debora fifty eight said she and John, who was now twenty six, and

707
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:38,159
her other son Michael, now live
in a Dunedin house purchase for about three

708
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,239
hundred and forty five thousand dollars from
settlement funds. She has no income other

709
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,679
than the money she receives to care
for John. She limits herself to the

710
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,880
seventeen fifty a month one seven hundred
and fifty dollars a month. The settlement

711
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,239
account earns an interest, so she
will not have to touch the principle,

712
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,719
she said. In the deposition.
Debra Graziano said she pays for John's clothes

713
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,599
and haircuts without reimbursement from the fund. She has no retirement fund or other

714
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,079
savings. She said. Her car, a two thousand dollars oldmobile two thousand,

715
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,400
two thousand to two thousand dollars,
a two thousand oldmobile John bought for

716
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,719
her from his Iraq combat pay,
is probably worth a couple of thousand dollars,

717
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,400
she said to me. It's worth
more than Amy Ferrari on the street.

718
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,119
She said, my god, my
god. Well, that's kind of

719
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:29,440
the state of affairs that I think
that's the closest we're going to get to

720
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,519
definitive data on what it actually costs
the hoaxter um, what happens? Seriously,

721
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,360
Jesus Christ. But you know that's
it, Like that is what we

722
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,639
just heard with Stern. I think
is so indicative of where Hulkoken ended up

723
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,239
totally. I mean, the guys
there is the greatest wrestling legend of all

724
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,719
time, and eighty percent of the
questions are about, like you you're kind

725
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,519
of hit up for money? Huh
are you coming back because you need money?

726
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,280
What do you what? I mean
you can't come? I mean,

727
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,199
what are you saying? What I
walk with you? I got I'm good,

728
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,039
brother, I'm better than ever dude, better than ever. What do

729
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,239
you what? I'll be the judge
of that. It's Bound for Glory twenty

730
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,679
eleven. What do you do?
Philadelphia? Who are you? Brother?

731
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,360
The first thing we see on the
pay per view is who are you?

732
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:21,119
The first? The first fucking thing
we see. I mean, I don't

733
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,559
know about to see on a pay
per view. I don't really care what

734
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,159
we see per se. But the
first thing we hear is, this is

735
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,559
this fucking thing from from from Mike
Tonay, ladies and gentlemen, Tonight's Bound

736
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:37,119
for Glory event. It emanates from
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a city that exemplifies

737
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,880
the blue coloraditude and the unparalleled work
I think, as well as American pride.

738
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,320
We welcome you to the birthplace of
America, and we welcome you a

739
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,679
Bound for Glory. So glad they
do, you know, scene setting and

740
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,159
wrestling. I don't know what what
do with that? I mean, Sez,

741
00:52:54,639 --> 00:53:00,679
I appreciate the sentiment. But is
TNA suddenly the the organization that appeals

742
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:06,239
to the blue collar worker apparently?
I mean, who fucking cares about?

743
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:13,719
I mean, I mean, is
it? I guess Philadelphia is just this

744
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,480
blue collar town, blue collar and
elbow. Yeah, yeah, what are

745
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:21,719
the what are the uh? I
mean, I mean it was as blue

746
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,880
collar as Boston is, wouldn't she? I mean, you know, given

747
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:30,119
the uh the real estate prices and
shit like, I don't know. I

748
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,000
don't know if Philadelphia ranks in terms
of that, but I was always the

749
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,639
impression that it was pretty expensive to
live in in Philadelphia. So I don't

750
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:38,199
know how I feel about this blue
collar state. Yeah, it depends what

751
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,280
part of Philly you mean, I
guess, as as it depends what kind

752
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,280
of part of Boston you mean,
right, I mean that's any it's any

753
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,800
fucking city Philly families. Uh yeah, yeah yeah, this John, this

754
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,679
John John, And you know,
I think, um, I think it's

755
00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:00,519
it's weird, like exactly who does
he think he's a healing to you by

756
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,159
reading off that copy about blue collar
this and that? I don't care.

757
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:05,239
I mean it's fine, but yeah
no, I don't care either, But

758
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,679
it just like stood out to me
as this weird out exactly, like what

759
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,280
are you what are you saying?
I don't understand what you're what you're selling

760
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,960
here? The press that they're not
in Orlando that they have to like over

761
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,480
guess I guess maybe that's it that
they're just like, look at this,

762
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,800
we're out of We're out of Florida, We're up on the proper. Them

763
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,239
fucking Yankees are right, it's actually
where the Phillies are. But it's fine.

764
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,239
That's a good point. So no, it's it's Hogan from back in

765
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,880
March of twenty ten and the red
and yellow lace in the boots. That

766
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,719
footage they shot for finding Whole Cooke
or whatever went. Oh seriously, so

767
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,199
they're you know, they're already trying
to evoke like warm nostalgic feelings about a

768
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,199
Huole Cooke and who came into Bound
for Glory having been a total fucking prick

769
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,400
and asshole lying to people about his
retirement, caught on tape, manipulating their

770
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,280
emotions, and by the time we
get to Bound for Glory, it's like

771
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,880
all anyone cares about his weather.
Hulk's gonna tear his shirt. It's the

772
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,679
weirdest home. It's so odd.
It's a building full of people that no

773
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,679
Hogan's wrestling, but have clearly not
followed the storyline to get here, right,

774
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,840
there's a fair degree of indifference towards
Sting and the Joker character. You

775
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,039
kind of sense from the crowd this
this this, you know, essence of

776
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:16,320
like what is what is Sting doing? Like this? There? Yeah,

777
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:21,800
there, There certainly is a belief
that when Push comes a show, we're

778
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,679
gonna see Hulkogan. That's what we
want. Yes, well, and that's

779
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:29,119
fine. It just it's so at
odds with what they did in I mean,

780
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,320
I didn't necessarily expect that. It's
kind of funny that they're they're kind

781
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,280
of that that they did, because
I'm like, I don't I didn't know

782
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,440
if that was going to be the
outcome. Yeah, you know, it's

783
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:44,599
kind of a reminder of like what
TENA actually was. It was a company

784
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,920
where as we've mentioned several times throughout
the course of teenage, you could go

785
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,440
to a house show and all the
baby faces and heels were switched up from

786
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,239
television because most of the people there
are going to show up and cheer Jeff

787
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,079
Hardy like he's a number one baby
face, no matter what kind of atrocities

788
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,639
he's committing on the Weekly Impact Show. Because you don't go to a TNA

789
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,400
show because you're a fan of their
product. You go to TNA because there's

790
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,960
two or three wrestlers you've heard about. I mean, these guys hated that

791
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:09,320
the flair, hated it, angle
hated the fact that they would go through

792
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,239
airports working for TNA, getting paid
well and working full time, and people

793
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,760
coming up to them and ask them
when they left the business, It's like,

794
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,519
what the fuck are you talking about. I'm on television, national television

795
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:22,679
every week. They tell me a
million and a half people watch this fucking

796
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,119
thing. No, and they go
to uh, you know, they go

797
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,159
to some small town somewhere and they
draw like three hundred people. It's it's

798
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,840
it's it's such a wild duality,
and I think here's something whole Hogan's going

799
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,320
to wrestle. It's like, I
think part of that curbing if I'm wrong,

800
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,079
but I feel like part of that
is because they're only we're doing,

801
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,519
for the most part, stuck in
Orlando. Oh sure, yeah. I

802
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,159
mean that's it's a lot easier to
spread awareness of your characters and storylines if

803
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,400
you're in a different city every week, and all those fans that come out

804
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,519
become acquainted with your storytelling, not
just you know, your your pay per

805
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:58,079
V matches. And it's also a
function of the fact that tena's live events

806
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:01,119
division was totally effort and distinct from
the crew that put the television together and

807
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,920
worried about the TV in mind of
the TV affairs, I mean, Jeff

808
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,719
Jarrett and Don West basically ran the
arena business like it was a separate company

809
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,280
that t Anda was loaning wrestlers too, you know, and that ain't good.

810
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,320
We know that now. I mean, well, it just makes it

811
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,719
a totally separate business. You can't
connect it to you can't. One doesn't

812
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:20,280
bleed into the other, one doesn't
read and inform the other. It's like

813
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,760
it's it's not a It's hardly the
flywheel that you hear about all the time

814
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,360
where everything kind of interoperates and improves
everything else. And so yeah, they'd

815
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,039
go to these and they had such
a poor promotional style. I mean you

816
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:38,320
used to hear so often reading the
event reports back then that they barely even

817
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,880
promoted the show to the weekend of
they were coming to a town near you.

818
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,800
They just didn't have like this boots
on the ground marketing, mentality,

819
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,639
marketing muscle, or even like wherewithal
and how to spend ahead of the event

820
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:52,119
to get people to actually know it's
coming. And buy tickets as opposed to

821
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:53,199
this like last minute scram of like
wait a minute, what what is this?

822
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,480
This wrestling like Kurt Angele's coming,
like what the fuck? Just so

823
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:00,519
bizarre and I feel like that it
comes across on bound for glory. But

824
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,360
the opening package has him lacing them
up in red and yellow and takes us

825
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,480
all the way back to him being
introduced in October twenty on nine at Madison

826
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Square Garden with Dixie Carter in New
York sting saying, you have been con

827
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:16,800
con conned. So everybody is fucking
watching the show. Absolutely, we've all

828
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,360
been conned. Hull Hogan, you
know, announcing that they won in court

829
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,119
from March of twenty eleven and Dixie
crying, and then they show Bobby Rude,

830
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,480
who's going for the world title for
the first time in his career against

831
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:30,599
Kurt Angle on this show, which
I can't wait to get your thoughts on,

832
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:34,840
which that he's going for the world
title or what's the out of the

833
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,480
match running up and down like aqueduct
stairs, because they did this really like

834
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:43,800
sports and you know, sports focused
Rock Brock SummerSlam two thousand and two style

835
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,519
promotion for this, you know,
two titans that have earned it all and

836
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:52,119
I'm going to go for the gold
and a real aff. And you know

837
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,400
they play audio of Sting putting Bobby
rudover, so they're trying to interoperate the

838
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,199
Sting, Hogan and Rude angle matches
together. We touched on that last time

839
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:01,119
on TNH. You talking about how
together Sting, you and I Rude talking

840
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:06,280
this company can we can get this
company back to where it belongs and uh

841
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,800
back on track. We're about to
find out. We're about to find out.

842
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:17,119
I'll find I say no and if
I lose, I still can't get

843
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:21,920
over how binding that is that he
just said it and blurted it out.

844
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,239
And it's like, I'm well,
honestly to the point where after I watched

845
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,280
that promo, I didn't even really
think anything about it. And then then

846
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,639
you hear Tanay in the precept I'm
gonna play it when we get there,

847
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:36,920
but like he talks about it like
this is the most important match of all

848
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,800
time, and I'm like, it
is. I didn't really feel that.

849
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,239
Yeah, they do, like this
preamble before the entrances for Hogan Sting and

850
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,920
it's Tanay and Taz at the desk
and man's das reaching for things to say.

851
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,039
It's like, oh God, he's
he stumbles so much because he can't

852
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,800
get into it. He can't let
himself express the stakes that he's being asked

853
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,960
to communicate around this match. Because
the only steakes he's thinking about, when

854
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:06,280
is he going to eat after at
the restaurant, look at a hotel,

855
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,679
the holy steaks. He's thinking about
our Philly cheese. Yeah, you're damn

856
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,119
right, perfectly clear about that.
Where do we go? Pats? Is

857
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,239
that it was? I think so
they went to Pads in the Moon to

858
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,280
another one too, but you didn't
go. You were gone by that point.

859
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,559
I missed that. Yeah, the
rest of us went to another one.

860
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,079
I got definitely get my phill on
Philly chee steaks that time. That

861
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:28,079
was great ship stuff. Huh.
I was actually quite surprised how much I

862
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:30,159
loved it. Yeah, I know, it was so good. And he's

863
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,760
in Philly this year. I'm just
saying, uh, yeah, I think

864
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,119
gonna get a fill on that.
It'll get a breakfast cheese steak and get

865
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,239
a lunch cheese steak, going to
get my phill phil And I'm not talking

866
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:46,599
about Brooks so just in case you
weren't confused enough about the TNA wrestling Impact

867
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:51,159
Wrestling thing. What's this company called? We get to a pay per view

868
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,519
and sure enough, TENNA is back
on the ring skirt, not Impact Wrestling.

869
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,400
Well, also they had the TENA
Championship for fox sake. Well there's

870
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,679
that too, you know, like
they haven't replaced the belt. If you

871
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,440
lets to mention that as you as
I'll play in a little while, you

872
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:10,400
got fucking sting the night after saying
TNA brand and Impact Wrestling in the same

873
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,079
fucking sentence, right, Yeah,
because truly the show was renamed Impact Wrestling,

874
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:19,280
not the whole company, but you
wouldn't know it because they redid everything

875
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,079
with not re a mention of TNA. We touched last week on how it

876
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,800
was sponsorship, but it is Impact
Wrestling now, right, that's what it

877
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,840
is for real. Yes, Yeah, they never called themselves TNA anymore.

878
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,800
Yeah, they actually switched the whole
name of the company like around twenty fifteen

879
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,440
if memory serves, where you didn't
hear any any reference to TNA any longer,

880
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,960
and they remade the belt and everything. But but yeah, you heard

881
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:45,199
a little reference in that whole Cogan
Howard Stern interview there to where Hogan kind

882
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,079
of tried to slip in a mention
of Impact Wrestling. We'd have been mentioning

883
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,960
so at the course of tnh how
demoralizing it was to people at TNA that

884
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,719
whole Cogan would get these opportunities to
speak in the mainstream about what he's up

885
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,679
to these days, do all the
other things he's involved in winning you're unwittingly

886
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:04,480
and he never mentioned TNA, never
tried to point people to the fact that

887
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,360
he's back back active in a wrestling
organization that you could check out every week

888
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:14,400
on Spike TV if you'd like to. And and now he mentions it Impact

889
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,880
Wrestling. He mentioned Dixie Carter,
which means nothing to anybody. Now that

890
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,320
is Eric Bischoff's name, but he
mentions Impact Wrestling, and Stern talks about

891
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,440
and how much do you think that
hurts fucking the Eric bishof that he can

892
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:28,119
mention his name and nobody gives a
ship what's work for? Eric Bishoff starts

893
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:34,119
like, Okay, what's that?
What's that exactly? He barely right,

894
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,239
So I might know that though,
because he probably watched it wonder years.

895
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,800
Yeah, that's true. I was
being flippant. So he says, um,

896
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,239
Impact Wrestling, and then it hit
me like that's it. He felt

897
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,000
like such a fucking idiot to say
the initials t NA on a mainstream interview

898
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:51,760
because it sounds like you're saying tit's
an ass. Oh good call, because

899
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,920
like the intel we got was that
a big part of the Impact Wrestling rebrand,

900
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,760
which is Spike driven deal was it
would help with with marketing and sponsorship,

901
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,079
and shortly after or they rename it
Impact Wrestling and do the wrestling matters

902
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:05,760
and redress up the Impact Zone at
all Blue they get the direct Auto insurance

903
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:08,719
sponsorship on the Apron and the water
Wow. Yeah right. So you gotta

904
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,199
wonder if like sponsors are like,
you know, we'd like to, but

905
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,119
it's called TNA. For God's sakes, like this, we can't. It

906
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,000
doesn't doesn't work for us. It'd
be so distracting off whole Covin just blurted

907
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:22,199
out TNA, you know, in
the middle of an interview. Yeah,

908
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:28,159
ta, dude, what you're in? You're in TNA. I'm into GENNA.

909
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:34,639
What I'm not wrestling there, don't
get it twisted. I don't wrestle

910
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,199
wrestling. Doesn't matter brother wrestling.
No, dude, I don't wrestle.

911
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:45,000
Brother. What I do is I
watch the wrestling, Yeah, and I

912
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:50,000
walk around it yit, I walk
around wrestling and I watch around wrestling.

913
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:57,159
Terry slogan is not wrestling matters,
declining to wrestling matters. So it's right

914
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,199
not wrestling matters and right, na
law, Like, am I going to

915
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:13,119
pretend I don't walk around? Do
do? Do I mean? And it's

916
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:25,280
it's it's so funny, like bum
baby from Hang I want to really hear

917
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:36,280
it. Let's go b DNA law
baby, whoop bompa, give me your

918
01:04:36,320 --> 01:05:06,840
own b b b boom boo wow
wow wow no no man, now why

919
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:18,480
no wow waha wow whna wow wow
waha wow wanna w now boom boom boom

920
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:24,119
boo boom. But no, no, no, no, no, no,

921
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:40,159
no, no no my bah blah
blah blah b b boo. Whoa

922
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:51,880
whoa, whoa, whoa wo oh. It's like succession, Like they never

923
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:55,920
leave the room. It's like a
forty five minute episode and they're just in

924
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,960
the same room negotiating right same things
to each other. And that's the whole

925
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,239
show. And it's it's it works. Yeah, unfortunately, it just so

926
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,079
well to a pro wrestling team.
Someone said on I think it was Patreon

927
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:12,400
a Twitter and apologies for not noting
who it was. It's like TNA is

928
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,559
like a soap opera about running a
wrestling company, right exactly, and that

929
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,480
TNA Law thing nails it, you
know, recreating that the credit sequence from

930
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:24,159
La Law because it is is that
it's like a it's like you're doing a

931
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:27,559
show about a law firm, right, because it's all about contracts and like

932
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:33,800
subterfuge and meeting Like it's about it's
about the higher ups, about the exacts.

933
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:41,880
It's about you know, so Stower
power plays. It's about meetings like

934
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,159
in hallways that break up the second
someone who isn't supposed to know walks into

935
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,320
the room, right, tremendous.
So, yeah, walking through doors,

936
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:54,199
it's about walking. It's about it's
about walking talk meetings, you know,

937
01:06:55,679 --> 01:07:01,679
disgusting, it's about stupid shit.
So gave you a little flavor of the

938
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:04,320
beginning of the broadcast. We are
not going to do the entire TENA Bound

939
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,239
for Glory pay per view. We
did the first one. We felt like

940
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,840
that was enough in terms of sampling
kind of like you know, the full

941
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,679
essence of TNA. But we're really
dialed in at this point to the Hulk

942
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,960
Street Brother, and we're putting this
thing in a new gear or killing off

943
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,039
a year in two episodes, and
so we need to focus in on the

944
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:24,119
things that are Hulk Coogan or end
up revolving around Hulk Cogan, as we'll

945
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:27,880
talk about. And so what that
means is we got to fast forward through

946
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,599
the bound for Glory show and get
to the point where our cameras are hidden.

947
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:35,559
Cameras backstage, Oh Boy, have
been trained on a window behind which

948
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:43,840
Eric Bischoff and ten A referee Jackson
James are in conversation. It's a long

949
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,440
time coming, Boss, Well,
I need to let the people know.

950
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,880
Here we go. This is a
night, man, We've been talking about

951
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,519
her a long time. This is
the night. You're ready. I'm ready.

952
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,280
I'm sure. I'm sure. It's
a big night, but I'm ready.

953
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,719
All right. Look something, I
know you've been there, force,

954
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,360
You've been in the right place at
the right time, the right calls and

955
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,039
been able to do it in a
way that no one has figured this thing

956
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:12,519
out. And I appreciate it.
We all appreciate it. But tonight it's

957
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,639
going to be a little bit different. Speak tonight. Two things have to

958
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:19,279
happen. Number One. Obviously,
Hulk's gonna win. Okay, that's obvious.

959
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:25,039
Brother number two, and I even
even really talked to Hulk about this.

960
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:30,000
But to me, we have to
take a sting out permanently. I

961
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,159
want him going out on a stretcher
and I don't ever want him coming back.

962
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,960
It's going to get ugly, but
I need you to have my back.

963
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:43,520
Can you be there? I got
your back then, Are you sure?

964
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,239
Because it's going to get ugly.
I'm sure I got your cover.

965
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,199
All right. It's a big moment, man. You've grown up in this

966
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:58,159
business. You've been around it all
your life. Tonight tonight's tonight. Tire

967
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,520
waiting a long time love love too, all right, let's get it though.

968
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,439
So I need you to be honest
about me. Yeah. Were you

969
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,960
able to avoid all this time a
spoiler as to who Jackson James really was

970
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:13,039
all this time? Yeah? I
don't know what the fuck he was.

971
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,600
So what was your reaction when they
reveal here a bound for glory? Many

972
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,199
people knew already from the newsletters and
stuff that in fact referee Jackson James is

973
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:28,560
Eric Bischoff's son Garrett. My reaction
was, how come no other employee of

974
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,279
Tanning knows what Garrett looks like,
especially when they follow up with promos about

975
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,720
how Eric had him around the business
his entire life. Going back to the

976
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:41,199
AWA studios when Bishof work there,
Yeah, I was like, I was

977
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:43,359
literally like wait a minute. I
was like, so part of me like

978
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,279
moments like oh, okay, okay. But then I was like, wait

979
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:50,680
a minute. He's been around.
Bischoff's been around so many of these guys

980
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:58,560
in other companies. Nobody knows what
Garrett Bischof looks like. I always kept

981
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,119
him locked up in the log cabin
and Cody, I guess, yet somehow

982
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:05,439
had wrestling around him all the fucking
time. So if you're wondering why we

983
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,199
planted that seed last time, like
T and Agent spent so much time on

984
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:14,640
the Garrett Bischoff specific provisions of Eric
Bischoff's February twenty eleven T and A contract,

985
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,439
this is why he's legging the groundwork
too, you know, a glide

986
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,319
path for his son Garrett to get
into the business. Wide glide, brother,

987
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:27,800
what's that wide glide dude, Garrett
Bischoff. Okay, I mean there's

988
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,800
gonna be a lot to get into
and a lot to touch on as it

989
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,760
regards to this youngster. And I
am so so stupid not a fan,

990
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,079
Garrett Bischoff. I mean, look, I think the kid, the kid,

991
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,880
I appreciate a lot of shit,
but the and and you know,

992
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:48,720
he's not the worst person when he
speaks. Did We've definitely seen worse.

993
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,159
But I don't know, it's just
it's so lame. The whole thing just

994
01:10:55,239 --> 01:11:00,560
seems so stupid. It does.
And like, would contrite be the right

995
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:05,960
word? Contrite maybe trite? Trite
maybe trites the word I'm looking for.

996
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:12,640
Yeah, trite meaning you know,
it's like it's it's it's overdone. It's

997
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,119
like it's not as important as like
honestly, you know, you know,

998
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,760
the more of that came around,
I'm like, oh, so what is

999
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,800
this. It's funny he mentioned you
know, Awa and shit, Like I'm

1000
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:26,159
like, okay, Verne and fucking
Greg, that's what it feels like.

1001
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,479
Except your dad wasn't a wrestler,
right, That's always weird, Like nepotism,

1002
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,039
not father to son, wrestler to
wrestler, but like executive to wrestler.

1003
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:34,880
That's a new one. I'm trying
to think it. I mean,

1004
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,119
I guess it is. I guess
you can Shane in a way, but

1005
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:44,720
it's just weird. I don't I
just again, my first my first instant

1006
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:45,960
was how am I supposed to believe
that none of these people know what fucking

1007
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:50,640
interesting point looks like? To me, it's almost like they spend all this

1008
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,520
time having Jackson James, you know, hide who he is and do little

1009
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,119
subtle things to benefit Bischoff and Hogan
in key matches, and then the second

1010
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:01,079
we find out about it, they
turn a baby face, say they didn't

1011
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:04,399
even capitalize and all the heat that
that was supposed to have generated. Right,

1012
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,159
he should be like such a heel
now, you know, and if

1013
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:10,439
he wrestles, fine, Like I'm
not saying he's a state of referee,

1014
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,199
but be a heel wrestler for a
while, like take advantage of the fact

1015
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:15,319
that you built this up all this
time. But the second we come to

1016
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,640
terms with it and want to rip
the guys to road out in theory,

1017
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,199
we're being asked to cheer for him, right, and he's it's just it's

1018
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:28,119
I don't know, it's it's stupid. You can't introduce a character like this

1019
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,680
and make him a baby face right
out of the gate. I don't care.

1020
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,920
I'm in times. He knocks Eric
on his ass, and Eric took

1021
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,119
you know, a lot of bumps
for his son to get him started.

1022
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,880
It's such a curious part of teenage
because Garrett really didn't have a career outside

1023
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,760
of Bischoff's short lived, you know, administrative run. I was gonna say,

1024
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,039
I mean, like, what what
what? What's the goal here?

1025
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,279
Yeah? What's the goal? What's
the end goal? I want to get

1026
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,960
this? And you know he spent
a year and a half or so.

1027
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:54,880
I think it was training um and
I think it was Rakishi squad and with

1028
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,479
a Dudleys as well. I think
to some degree. Wow, and uh.

1029
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,640
You know, Bischoff has talked a
lot his podcast about how he absolutely

1030
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,920
wanted to have Garrett build up like
a base and understanding in a general respect

1031
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,920
for the business before he started,
you know, introducing him to TNA and

1032
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,760
when he first started coming around as
Jackson James the referee. Of course they

1033
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,000
weren't acknowledging he was a son on
television, but equally so Bischoff, you

1034
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,680
know, has talked about sort of
insisting that Garrett not really interact with his

1035
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:25,760
father at television and try his best
to more, you know, blend himself

1036
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,039
in as just another kid trying to
make it in the business without you know,

1037
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,359
beating people over the head with the
fact that he's related to Eric by

1038
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:34,640
associating it's not like no one knew
it. However, they didn't want to

1039
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,439
overdo that that message. I want
him to learn how to you know,

1040
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,640
interact with and talk to the elders
and the company and things like that.

1041
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,439
So it's been I think it's interesting
to hear Eric talk about how he tried

1042
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,039
to get Garrett in the business because
it's it's a unique perspective as someone who

1043
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:53,640
didn't wrestle but had a lot of
power in wrestling and you know, understands

1044
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,159
rustling, and it's like, but
immediately instead of starting at the bottom and

1045
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:00,520
like trying to wrestle, he's like
involved with Hogan and he's involved with Flair.

1046
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:04,960
Calmed down, can't you can't push
this guy? You know in the

1047
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:09,600
main event picture of the yes you
can, Yes you can, and they're

1048
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,520
gonna do it. He was okay, He wasn't a bad television performer,

1049
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,600
so that helped a lot. It
wasn't like we were you know, it

1050
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,680
sounds this Eric Watts or something.
No, no, no, not.

1051
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:25,279
It wasn't that bad, but it
still wasn't very good. That wasn't very

1052
01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:28,079
good. Is Mike Tinette going through
his whole shocked routine at the desk when

1053
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:32,119
they find out Garrett is well,
Jackson is Garrett. I've got your back,

1054
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,760
Dad, And he looks he looks
so well, nothing about And honestly,

1055
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:41,279
you know, I'm I'm kind of
sick of Mike Tinette. Well,

1056
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:43,600
he doesn't have good stuff to work
with. He can be as great as

1057
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,319
anybody else I have to see.
He's just like I'm just like, you

1058
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:49,800
know, there there's this part of
and part of me it feels bad for

1059
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:54,079
him. I mean a lot of
me feels bad for him because I know

1060
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,600
that a lot of it is not
his fault. I know the majority of

1061
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,720
it is not his fault. I
know that he is stuck with with horse

1062
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,640
shit and he's trying to make horse
shit salad with it all, you know,

1063
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:10,199
because it's just it's just a nightmare. It's just a fucking nightmare.

1064
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,159
And I mean, how are you
as a as a wrestling as as a

1065
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:23,800
as basically the voice of the wrestling
fan for you know, for this company,

1066
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,079
which is you know, in a
way, what your lead commentator really

1067
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:32,079
should be is the voice of the
fan, expressing things that you that in

1068
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,800
a way they want you, you
know, that they want you to be

1069
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:40,119
thinking about, but that you should
be thinking about anyway, you know,

1070
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:45,720
as a fan watching this show,
and it's like, I don't fucking care

1071
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:49,720
the stuff that he's that he's making
a big deal out. I don't care

1072
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,039
about it. He's he's asked to
make a big deal out of something that

1073
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:56,960
doesn't register us, a big deal. Like sitting there like can you believe

1074
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,239
it? He's glancing off, and
all I'm thinking to myself is, dude,

1075
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:01,880
you're a fucking idiot. He's making
a face like the Grinch when he

1076
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,720
goes it came without ribbons, it
came without tags, like he pauses in

1077
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,640
his wandering eyes with his mouth open
as he's putting the pieces together because everything's

1078
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,880
a big you know, I'm sitting
here like, dude, you work for

1079
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,319
the company seven you know, you
know, a for a full time job,

1080
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:25,520
meaning that you're not just here on
television. Surely you've seen Garrett Bischoff

1081
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,439
backstage. Again, it all comes
down that that is the one thing I

1082
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,239
cannot get out of it, get
get over is the fact that nobody knows

1083
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:39,079
what Garrett fucking Bishoff looks. Like, Yeah, it's not something that they

1084
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:43,119
it's not a loose end they cared
to tie up, but well they loose

1085
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:45,640
and they fucking cared to consider.
I don't think they could do anything about

1086
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,640
it, like if you because again
they're they're the only ones, like because

1087
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,800
they didn't think through it and even
have an explanation for it, like if

1088
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,720
if they had an explanation for like
well, here's the reason why nobody fucking

1089
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,039
recognized him. And it's another example
of what I think is a huge I

1090
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:01,680
don't know where this comes from or
why this is such a problem with TNA,

1091
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,079
but they have these huge reveal moments
backstage and pretapes. What's the fun

1092
01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:11,920
great are these big reveals Like can
you imagine if Vince's higher power was revealed

1093
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,199
in the fucking in an office through
that through blind I mean when the reveal

1094
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:19,600
in front of the audience is where
you know, is where you know if

1095
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:24,159
something matters or that's how, you
know, if it worked exactly. Yeah,

1096
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:27,479
I don't understand at all why they
do so many impactful like twists,

1097
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,119
Like a lot of the the Dixie
coming back filing, the lawsuit and the

1098
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:34,239
Thanksgiving stuff is all backstage. It's
like, maybe there's a reason logistically they

1099
01:17:34,319 --> 01:17:39,479
did it that way, but maybe
they're maybe maybe they're trying to transcend wrestling

1100
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,439
and become the become like a fucking
weekly entertainment program. Yeah, it sounds

1101
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,239
like the people in power might have
ambitions, wonder making television shows. I

1102
01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:49,319
wonder if they've got I wonder if
they've got you know, they're interested in

1103
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,159
scripted action hours. That's correct.
Scripted action hours is a new term in

1104
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:58,600
the lapsed lexicon thanks to the most
recent under the cinemat and amazing, a

1105
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,680
real term two used in the trade. Yeah. Yeah, I was in

1106
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:06,560
variety, Variety, you know,
newspaper and magazine Murder the fuck he is

1107
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:14,239
legit shit. So today, obviously
his mind is racing at the ramifications of

1108
01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:17,640
what we've just learned that in fact, referee Jackson James is Eric Bischof's son

1109
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,159
Garrett, and what does that meant
for all those key moments along the way

1110
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:25,000
where Garrett did a little something to
advantage Immortal, even though there are times

1111
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:28,039
he didn't. But that's that's fine, even though he counted three when he

1112
01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:32,079
when it would have been in the
Immortal's interest from to not count three during

1113
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:36,239
the the Jeff Hardy Matt Morgan series. But it's all about as Tonay says,

1114
01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:41,279
it's all about power and control.
That was all about power and glory.

1115
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:44,039
So we do a package here before
Hogan and Staying where just like in

1116
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:45,199
the beginning of the show, they
go back to the New York City press

1117
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:48,880
conference and tell that story and why
why do we need to see this all

1118
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,920
again? It wanted to be like
a three year story arc here, good

1119
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,439
luck with that, which is not
really but okay, Dixie screaming at Staying

1120
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,359
all this optic language. Oh,
I can't stand that one. I mean,

1121
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:09,920
although she's not wrong, you know, she's not wrong because they you

1122
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,159
know, he did use cryptic language. She did, yea, And it

1123
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:15,600
was supposed to the Mafia coming back
and it just don't you see my god,

1124
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:20,760
and it just ended up being sting, you know, all these times

1125
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:26,520
later with the go home line in
this pre video package of sting, saying,

1126
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,199
it told me a matter of time
before the Hull Cogan that every person

1127
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:32,960
wants to see before Hull Cogan's eyes
opened and the real Hull Cogan shows up.

1128
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,600
So a lot of real Hull Cogan
stuff. But I kind of thought

1129
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,920
they blew that off with that you
know, go home show twist where Hogan

1130
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:44,079
his heel. I kind of thought
that they weren't trying to play up I

1131
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:45,960
need the real Cogan ship, but
they were. They still go for that,

1132
01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:48,520
They still pushed and they do it. And obviously again, you know,

1133
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:54,640
I certainly was the one person apparently
who was not like, oh,

1134
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,039
this is a thing that's going to
happen, because I wasn't anticipating it and

1135
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:02,279
I wasn't looking for forward to it
per se or like waiting for it to

1136
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:08,520
happen, but the fans were.
It really strikes me as especially it strikes

1137
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,079
me, especially here watching the show
back, how kind of goofy it was

1138
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:17,840
to blow the retirement goodwill around Hogan
in some you know right yep, because

1139
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,520
Bound for Glory ends up being about
nostalgia for whole Coogan anyway, Like why

1140
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,880
confuse the emotions so much in the
weeks leading up to it, right,

1141
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:29,079
Wrestling is so bad about that,
and even you know vinces don her times,

1142
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:30,960
like with the Brett match and WrestleMania
and him, it's like you've got

1143
01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:35,800
something. It's so this story is
already told. You just need to permission

1144
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,119
the audience to go there and then
just shut the fuck up about it.

1145
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:44,560
You've got a match, Just let
us get there and just remind us it's

1146
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,479
coming. Let the guys talk about
why it's important. But you don't have

1147
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,880
to add chapters. You don't have
to add these sort of like sidebar developments

1148
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,159
that involve extraneous characters and extraneous days. And maybe they do though maybe maybe

1149
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,680
they just don't understand that, you
know, maybe they like you know what,

1150
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,640
they're not there yet. Clearly they're
not there yet. I mean,

1151
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:09,439
I know Russo breaks out in hives
if he isn't scripting a swerve every week,

1152
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,920
But keep him away from the programs. They can actually make money,

1153
01:21:13,079 --> 01:21:15,840
you know. The fate of the
company is at stake. Is the immortal

1154
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,880
whole Cooken in the Insane Icon,
sting Prepare for War. It's the insane

1155
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:26,479
icon. So we're looking forward to
what I've always been waiting for the Insane

1156
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:36,439
Icon. It's a great fucking nickname. They had so much good shit,

1157
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:44,279
pal they just don't know what to
fucking do with it, and they just

1158
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:47,159
fucking drop. He's the icon.
And now because he puts red paint in

1159
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:55,760
the corner of his mouth, he's
the insane icon because he laughs uncontrollably.

1160
01:21:56,399 --> 01:22:00,600
Today's ladies and gentlemen. For years, whole Cogan has gone to any length

1161
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,239
to avoid facing sting one on one. Here, I do I have,

1162
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,399
Yes, I do, I think
I have that one here, hold on,

1163
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:15,000
Ladies and gentlemen. For years,
Paul Hogan has gone to any links

1164
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:19,119
to avoid having to face staying one
on one, even to the point of

1165
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:26,000
announcing his retirement on Impact Wrestling.
But after Staying defeated Rick Flair, he

1166
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:30,039
is in line to have a fight
with Hogan, a fight task for the

1167
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:33,840
power and control of this organization.
Played it simple or we set it early.

1168
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:39,000
I mean the company that we worked
for, and that all those Wrestless

1169
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:42,159
Max stage, that locker room,
all the production people, all of these

1170
01:22:42,279 --> 01:22:46,880
Thus of fancy in Philadelphias, mins
of people watching at home for company Impact

1171
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,760
Wrestling, tia that it's hanging in
the balance right now, the power.

1172
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,840
Will Hogan maintain that power? That's
the question. Will Sting at that power?

1173
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:59,319
Tas in terms of the big picture, have we had a match as

1174
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:02,359
important as this in the entire history
of this company when you think of what's

1175
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:06,319
at stake here? No way,
I mean, listen, We've seen over

1176
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:10,159
the years, not just here in
this company. The company is all over

1177
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:14,640
the place, different stipulations. The
company is on the line here. I

1178
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:16,359
mean, hello, that's pretty huge. I mean, I think that's the

1179
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,840
biggest stipulation could have in a match. Stakes could not get any higher,

1180
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,960
they could get more flavorful. I
mean, first of all, why isn't

1181
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,199
this the main event? If this
is the most important match of it now?

1182
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,439
I know, I just am Mike. I don't understand. Number one,

1183
01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:41,880
Hogan has been ducking Sting for years. Yeah, ever since ninety eight

1184
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:49,439
ninety nine. You mean when Sting
beat him at Fall Brawl, He's he's

1185
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,000
been ducking him in that they've ever
worked in the same company. You mean,

1186
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:59,479
you mean, what what do you
mean with talk subsequent to Debbie Stubby

1187
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:06,279
subsequently? Because why why does Sting? Okay, First of all, Hogan's

1188
01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:14,880
been if someone's ducking you. It
means that you lost and you want to

1189
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:21,159
try it again. Correct me if
I'm wrong, But Sting's beaten Hogan every

1190
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:27,840
fucking time, So fuck is he
ducking him for? Right? What we're

1191
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,800
trying to preserve? If anything,
Given Hogan's track record of trying to get

1192
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:36,279
his win back, stings ducking Hogan. Wow, there's an alternate reading of

1193
01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:42,680
the thing, like let's let's think
about it here, pal and what it's

1194
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,199
worth that bit you just played today, and Ta's clearly in a position of

1195
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:47,159
having to kill time. I don't
know what they is they are waiting for

1196
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:51,359
him now? They just drone on, probably know what do we gotta kind

1197
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:57,159
of cut five minutes off? Can't
I can't do fifteen? They suck all

1198
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,520
the life out of this match by
the time they're done talking about like this

1199
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:01,680
is huge, this is the biggest
thing of all time, and they say

1200
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,079
it with no base in their voice
because they can't bring themselves to sell it

1201
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:09,199
that hard. It's just such a
stupid thing. Like, you know,

1202
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:15,479
first of all, we shouldn't need
to care about control of a company ever,

1203
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,399
as wrestling fans ever, very it
can be done well, but it

1204
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:25,760
has a fun thing unless you have
a fun thing, like like the Steve

1205
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:32,920
Austin thing. You know, that
was fun watching him control WWE for a

1206
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:39,399
while when he had that what was
it the how I don't remember how that

1207
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,079
happened, How that he had control
of the company in any nine for like

1208
01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:46,640
the month of May or whatever you
know that was That was different. But

1209
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,520
it was different though because it wasn't. You knew it wasn't gonna last forever.

1210
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,800
You knew that it was just part
of the story. Whereas this is

1211
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,199
the story. As opposed to part
of the story. They don't care about

1212
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:00,960
this story that there's like nothing all
you wanted. All you wanted was to

1213
01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:09,560
see Steve Austin beat Vince sick Man
in any way possible. How can we

1214
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,520
you know, how can we do
this and that? And then and but

1215
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,199
here it's like I don't give a
shit about who runs the company, you

1216
01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:23,840
know, especially when no one seems
to operate outside of that context, Like

1217
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:28,319
what what is so valuable about controlling
this company? If nobody can do anything

1218
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:31,039
that isn't about who's controlling the company, Like like I also don't know what

1219
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:36,399
what's so corrupt? Like what I
mean I guess putting matches together, right,

1220
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,119
they've fucking done pretty well, you
know, like they it's not like

1221
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:47,680
nWo type of shit, like they're
when they go backstage, is they cut

1222
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:53,359
heal promos in the ring, But
so doesn't every boss for every fucking company,

1223
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,520
right, you know, And then
they go backstage and they make matches

1224
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,600
that actually fans kind of want to
say. And Hogan came in, as

1225
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,399
we've documented in January twenty and ten, with the intention of getting you excited

1226
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,640
about the idea that he's taking over
the company, and in ten months that's

1227
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,039
a huge negative. They're forced to
spin it that way. But it's like,

1228
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:15,720
do we really think that a show
an impact wrestling brought to us by

1229
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,920
Dixie Carter or an impact wrestling brought
to us by Hulkogan and Erk Bishoff,

1230
01:27:19,119 --> 01:27:23,319
feels any different because it doesn't.
I know, it does exact same show

1231
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:26,680
with the exact same wrestlers in the
exact same order, with the exact same

1232
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,079
emphasis, and the exact same you
know, distribution of match time and interview

1233
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:31,600
time, and it's the same exact
show. So like, you know,

1234
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,319
they don't even bother to make the
Hogan bishof shows feel different, you know

1235
01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:38,479
what I mean, It's just Hogan
Bishof come out of the top and do

1236
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,399
a you know, forty five minute
monologue. So that's that the table set.

1237
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,239
We're now finally do that, and
they do that anyway whoever's running the

1238
01:27:46,279 --> 01:27:49,359
fucking company. So now staying in
Dixie're going to talk for forty five minutes

1239
01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:54,800
instead, except Bishof and Hogan will
do it anyway too. Table set.

1240
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,079
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Even
when they're not in power, they get

1241
01:27:57,119 --> 01:28:00,720
as much TV time. I mean, the Bishof the Garret Shof Eric Bischof

1242
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,199
thing is like fifty percent of the
first impact after they lose power. You

1243
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:09,880
know, it's so annoying. Why
aren't they fired? Like, if Dixie

1244
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,439
gets control of the company back,
why isn't her first order of business to

1245
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,359
fire these fucking people who pulled this
one on her? You know, that's

1246
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:17,520
why you can't have That's why control
of the company is never a good thing,

1247
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:24,239
because because the stuff that you would
do that makes sense is stuff you

1248
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:28,840
can't do because of contracts, and
because essentially these are your stars, right,

1249
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,640
yeah, you involve the top people
in the program, you can't just

1250
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,840
as well eliminate the top people after
the climax of the thing. So here

1251
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:41,600
it is, we're here Sting versus
Hogan down for Glory twenty eleven. The

1252
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,680
music hits, Christy Hemmy tells us
this will be a matchup between two of

1253
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,479
the biggest superstars in the history of
professional wrostling, a couple of guys from

1254
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,640
Venice Beach. No big deal.
Yeah, right at that big raising video

1255
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,399
while that TNA used to bring on
the road with the H two logo up

1256
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,680
there, that Hogan the H squared
logo that he had Broiler started wearing.

1257
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,039
And he's got an Impact Wrestling shirt
T shirt on white cut off he I

1258
01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:06,560
mean, I mean, look at
that. He's a fucking company guy.

1259
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,960
What's wrong with him? Well,
they yet, remember they were forced to

1260
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:16,119
have Bishov act like he was down
with and a huge supporter of the remake

1261
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:23,079
because mcfoley left after a week.
So Hogan shouldn't have a negative animis towards

1262
01:29:23,119 --> 01:29:27,920
that Impact Wrestling logo. If I
guess you're to believe that a clumsy recovery

1263
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,840
from that set of circumstances there,
that's really one of the bigger black eyes.

1264
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,039
I think when we look back on
this thing, they're like they couldn't

1265
01:29:33,039 --> 01:29:39,279
even deliver that storyline that was supposed
to transform the show, so fucking dumb.

1266
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,439
So he's got a white Impact wrestling
T shirt on with a sleeves cut

1267
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,479
off. He comes out smiling and
beating his chest like a total baby face.

1268
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,600
Right, Oh, come on,
you knew that was gonna happen.

1269
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:53,880
Then, believable, the last from
the guy. He was a conniving,

1270
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:58,159
fucking snake. When push comes to
shove, you know he's always gonna fucking

1271
01:29:58,399 --> 01:30:00,079
dude, this is this is the
master correct one more time? Isn't?

1272
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,039
Really? It absolutely is, especially
come come the end of this match,

1273
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:06,319
Holy shit, brother. I mean
I went out there trying to, you

1274
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:09,680
know, keep with the story,
brother, but it's just these people.

1275
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,880
You know, this whole supposed to
Brother, What am I supposed to do?

1276
01:30:13,039 --> 01:30:16,840
Dude? Exactly? He's a victim
of circumstances. What he is broller

1277
01:30:17,399 --> 01:30:21,800
beating his chest, red bandana on
taped fists, the grassianos, dude,

1278
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,800
the science sciences. Hogan is God. He's cupping the ear, pumping his

1279
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,800
fist, and then another one.
Another sign reads, why so nervous Hogan?

1280
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:34,239
Brother? What that is not a
funny sign to hold up in the

1281
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:39,159
sky's face. Brother, Get that
guy out, dude, Get him out

1282
01:30:39,159 --> 01:30:42,439
of the sot of impact. Brother, Fuck this guy, dude. I

1283
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:48,359
am not continuing the show until you
get him out out brother. This is

1284
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:55,199
why we don't have anything. Hogan
and jeans and red kneepads, red knee

1285
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:57,720
pads over his jeans? Like,
come on, do you? Why couldn't

1286
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,439
you wear tights? Is he not
wrestling? What's wrong with you? I

1287
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,640
wonder if he's got a brace on. I don't think so, though,

1288
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,920
No, because he rips his shirt
off later he doesn't. Who cares?

1289
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:15,720
Just fucking where like the red or
where different? Where the kneepads under your

1290
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,479
fucking jeans? Bro? Or something
like that, Like it looks so stupid

1291
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:25,000
to have red kneepads over his blue
jeans, but seriously to put a finer

1292
01:31:25,039 --> 01:31:28,199
point on it. Someone holds a
sign and helps face that says, why

1293
01:31:28,279 --> 01:31:33,479
so nervous? Hogan? Brother?
You tell me, brother, why are

1294
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:46,600
you so nervous? Dude? White? What about? Why would you make

1295
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:51,079
that sign? Brother? What?
What do you what are you getting at?

1296
01:31:51,279 --> 01:31:54,680
What are you gonna do? Why
should I be nervous? Brother?

1297
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,720
You're the one saying it, dude, You're the one question why I'm so

1298
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,359
nervous? So why do you think
think I'm nervous? Brother? Don't you

1299
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,479
think that's a threat? Dude?
Like, don't you know do you think

1300
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,640
that you think that I'm gonna fucking
freak out for some reason? Brother?

1301
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:11,680
Because you gotta sign? Dude?
Do you think Philadelphia Philadelphia Police Department?

1302
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,800
Would you like to report a crime? Brother? So? Brother, yes,

1303
01:32:15,039 --> 01:32:17,920
I want to report a crime.
At Where the fuck are we?

1304
01:32:18,039 --> 01:32:21,800
Brother? Where are we? Dude? We're at some fucking arena, Brother,

1305
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:28,199
some fucking arena. Okay, there's
a guy dude in the audience,

1306
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:30,960
brother, who has a sign.
Brother, and he's threatening me. Dude.

1307
01:32:31,119 --> 01:32:33,479
Oh what does it say? He's
threatening me, He's turning me,

1308
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,159
he's thurning me with bodily harm.
Brother, he is talking. I'm like,

1309
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,760
I don't know if I'm going to
be able to get out of the

1310
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,319
arena alive. Brother? What does
it saying the sign? Is it a

1311
01:32:43,399 --> 01:32:45,119
threat? Does it say he's gonna
kill it? Is it is a threat?

1312
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:48,239
Dude? What does it say?
It is? This is why so

1313
01:32:48,439 --> 01:33:10,880
nervous? Hogan? Brother? What
hello? What police departments? Ergron balls

1314
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:17,199
on as a child become immobilized by
something that's become lodged in his throat.

1315
01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:27,359
Are you talking to bro? Has
he been involved in a household accident or

1316
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:39,479
a road racing accident? Is this
a gronzy honor brother? This is his

1317
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:44,560
officer grotzy on him? Correct?
And I have a question for you,

1318
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,680
sir, well, I have a
question for you, dude, why so

1319
01:33:46,920 --> 01:34:00,840
nervous? The PD turns on him? Not funny, dude, Oh he's

1320
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:08,640
getting fired up. Now you get
ready to do something about this. So

1321
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:13,399
he's posing and everything for the people
here in Philly's making the mustache lips to

1322
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:28,399
the music and uh, cut to
Dixie cut what okay? So we had

1323
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:36,319
Dixie and she I guess there's somebody
sitting standing next to her who excuse Russ

1324
01:34:36,399 --> 01:34:43,079
like Hulk Hogan find out later on, and the guy kind of smacks her

1325
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:45,800
in the face with his boa,
and man, does she look pissed like

1326
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,199
this, like little feather touches her
face and she goes calm on to the

1327
01:34:49,279 --> 01:34:53,800
guy. I know, like,
you know he's paying your you know,

1328
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:58,359
he's paying for these people. So
she loves being amongst her fans. All

1329
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,279
right, yeah, right, Accidentally
you touch her cheek with your sign or

1330
01:35:01,319 --> 01:35:04,880
whatever, and see how much he
loves being next to you. As soon

1331
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:09,039
as she smells another human's flesh,
she wants to fucking kill them. But

1332
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:12,560
she's got a deer in the headlight. Miss She is like stone faced.

1333
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,119
When Hope makes his appearance, she
does a great cell job of like this,

1334
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:17,840
you know, the significance of the
match and surge of courses behind her

1335
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,800
as he always is. Usually he's
in the corner watching, but in this

1336
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:31,560
case he's right behind her. Look
like a fun surge and surge fee.

1337
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,359
I'll put this out there because I
saw it in my research for the show.

1338
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,600
It's tasty and I don't know what
to make of it. A suggestion

1339
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:45,840
that one push game to show Dixie
gave Kevin Nash's release when he was supposed

1340
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,880
to be involved in the main event. Mafia returned storyline in the beginning of

1341
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:53,399
twenty eleven to go to w W
and go to the Royal Rumble because he

1342
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:58,800
threatened to tell a truth about her. Now, I don't know, but

1343
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,720
that could be. I know in
future, you know, interviews like the

1344
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:08,000
the You shoot he did with Sean
Oliver. He was very complimentary towards Dixie

1345
01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:13,359
years later and had a narry a
negative word to say about her. What

1346
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,600
do you know, keV? Well, hey, you know, I listen.

1347
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:21,479
I don't want to talk out of
school. Yeah, look, you

1348
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:26,600
know, by guns, be bygones, you know. Fuck, but I

1349
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,680
can tell you this. Yeah,
caught her a few times in the back.

1350
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:39,279
Yeah. Really that's where she like, oh yeah, um, you

1351
01:36:39,399 --> 01:36:44,000
fucking you know people, you know, the boys. It's disgusting, it's

1352
01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:46,960
sexy kind of to say that this
woman, right, this this powerful,

1353
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:53,840
proud, smart, capable woman running
a wrestling company despite all odds or whatever

1354
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:57,840
her interest And of course your first
thing is, oh, she's got to

1355
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,119
be sleeping with the boys, Like
how I'm much? How much of must

1356
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,760
pig can you be? I'm not. Look, look it's not about them.

1357
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:09,920
She's She's the one. She's the
fucking animal. You know, I've

1358
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:15,640
fucking I've seen them all. She
fucking she propositions, she says, hey,

1359
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,800
you know what you know you talk
about fucking uh you know, Harvey

1360
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:25,680
Weinstein. But Jesus, does she
know what she wants? keV? Yeah?

1361
01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:31,479
And what does she want? She
wants it? Everywhere? I saw

1362
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:36,399
a fucking h what is my my
boy there? What's his name? Um,

1363
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:45,439
I guess it's not your boy then? Uh, the fucking you know,

1364
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,760
the short kid. What's his fucking
name? Eric Young? Eric Young?

1365
01:37:49,880 --> 01:38:02,159
Yeah, shit, Eric Young.
Fucking Dixie had little I fucking bent

1366
01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:11,840
over backwards, you know, just
tied up like a fucking pretzel. And

1367
01:38:12,039 --> 01:38:16,920
she's sitting on his fucking face snatch, just fucking rubbing all over the fucking

1368
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:23,560
place, and she's saying, eat
it, eat it, and well,

1369
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:32,279
well he's fucking eating her pussy.
She's slapping his ass. What I'm telling

1370
01:38:32,319 --> 01:38:36,199
you this fucking because I'm telling you
like she had him, you know,

1371
01:38:36,319 --> 01:38:42,359
she had him like in a fucking
uh you know, like sunset flip type

1372
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:48,239
thing. It's fucking crazy, all
right, both fucking buck naked. She's

1373
01:38:48,279 --> 01:38:57,159
just fucking taking it. You know. It's fucking nuts. E y.

1374
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,119
You know, hey, guys fighting
for his fucking job. Uh, it's

1375
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:06,359
fighting for oxygen to it sounds like
I just love it. I just love

1376
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:10,960
it. I love the intrigue there. I just love it. And Dixie's

1377
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:16,079
will tell you. You know,
Dixie's got a pussy. Well there goes

1378
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:19,560
one mystery. That's what you can
count on. TNH coverage for me.

1379
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:24,039
You you want to know something too, Like fucking Surge. He's there,

1380
01:39:24,079 --> 01:39:30,640
he's fucking videotaping that shocks kind of
figured. Yeah, occasionally gets involved.

1381
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,279
It's fucking nuts. Yeah. Yeah. They call that surge pricing. That's

1382
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:38,720
right, you know, and they
you know, it's like when she's like

1383
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:45,279
when she's on the verge of fucking
coming. All right, she says,

1384
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:48,600
and this is with another again,
it's like this was a fucking e y,

1385
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:56,640
all right, She's fucking getting eaten
out by e Y. And then

1386
01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:05,359
she says, I want to our
Surge, and man, fucking Surge drops

1387
01:40:05,399 --> 01:40:15,000
the fucking camera and just fucking unloads
on her, just fucking explosion of seemen.

1388
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:25,880
So unlike Eric who wasted perfectly good
semen on Garrett, Surgeon knows exactly

1389
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,640
how to put it to use.
I mean, we're talking like a fucking

1390
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:34,880
hose, you know, like a
fucking fireman's hose worth a fucking come it

1391
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:40,119
is, you know, of all
the things, it is kind of funny

1392
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:51,720
that Surge pisses come. I'll just
say, it's like, you know,

1393
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,920
it doesn't even need to fucking work
it up. It's like just fucking holes

1394
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:03,560
that ship and boom, here's the
thing release. He's silent, the guys,

1395
01:41:04,119 --> 01:41:09,359
the guys a fucking you know,
he's fucking stoic, like nobody's business,

1396
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,079
just fucking stands there. No,
there's no fucking you know, he's

1397
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:17,640
not he's not convulsing. You know, he's not fucking you know, even

1398
01:41:18,039 --> 01:41:24,119
like screaming or making any noises.
He just fucking stands there like a fucking

1399
01:41:24,199 --> 01:41:30,800
statue. And just oh, just
needs to hear her say I need a

1400
01:41:30,039 --> 01:41:33,640
what does it? I need a
power I need a fucking power surge.

1401
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:39,880
Well, I guess I do know
what he has on her then, So

1402
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:44,640
yeah, all of that is a
very long bro, that's just fucking e

1403
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,319
y. You know, you got
fucking double jay shit. Oh and we're

1404
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:55,680
talking feces. So Hogan gets in
and he jogs around a bit, doesn't

1405
01:41:55,680 --> 01:42:00,680
he He does got a show we
can move. Wants you to know it's

1406
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:04,479
the rope, slaps his shoulders to
day highlights. Now we know the referee

1407
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,279
is the son of Eric Bischoff,
and Taz says, the fix is in.

1408
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:13,800
I've been waiting for the fix since
episode one. I mean it's been

1409
01:42:14,119 --> 01:42:16,319
it's not to burst anyone's bubble,
but it's been fixed for a long time.

1410
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:20,039
It's not coming. Yeah, actually
yeah, Eric I's staying out in

1411
01:42:20,079 --> 01:42:24,520
his red coat with a yellow while
Comania shirt on. He's got the pink

1412
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:30,159
and purple frilly number robe on gives
the woods so kind of old school,

1413
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:40,720
uh like climic, you know,
surfer sting. Yeah yeah, but those

1414
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,279
brighter colors, and he's still got
the Mechanics gloves with the red trim.

1415
01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:46,800
I mean he would wear those even
when he just wears street clothes on impact,

1416
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,359
Like he's got a T shirt and
jeans on, but he's got those

1417
01:42:49,399 --> 01:42:54,159
fucking gloves. Don't ask me what
that's supposed to be about. Maybe maybe

1418
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:59,920
he's got maybe he's a germophobe.
Maybe, Taz says the icon Sting Forever

1419
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:04,399
we're playing head games with the Holster
by rocking the Ullerenia T shirt. I

1420
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:10,119
mean also not even like a Hulk
Hogan version one. It's like stings so

1421
01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:14,920
weird with the shirts that he wears
in TNA, because they're always really bag

1422
01:43:15,039 --> 01:43:18,880
he really loose, and it looks
like he just fucking snagged them from concession

1423
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:23,760
stands. Steve Boorden, I'm trying
to hide, trying to hide the physique

1424
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,279
that you know, will prevent Hogan
from putting him over when push comes to

1425
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:30,439
Chevy. That's a good point,
So Dixie with a series of claps for

1426
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:31,920
the Stinger. She's very happy to
see him and willing to cheer him on

1427
01:43:32,039 --> 01:43:35,439
here as he fights for control of
the company. Hogan standing on the bottom

1428
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:39,960
rope talking trash down to Sting as
he steps into the ring. Purple boots

1429
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,760
on the Stinger as well. We
notice and yeah, you know, looking

1430
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,119
at him, the state of the
man who's he's still kind of playing up

1431
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:47,119
the joker thing in the face pain. He does look like a guy who

1432
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:50,560
escaped confinement. He does. From
a distance, he looks pretty horrifying.

1433
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:57,399
Actually, I would say he definitely
looks unconfined. Surge wholeheartedly clapping as well

1434
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:01,319
for oh boy, Sting Rat looks
pretty good from this angle. We'll get

1435
01:44:01,319 --> 01:44:03,760
to the summer details later of how
they drew for the show on the road

1436
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,760
in Philadelphia, but you know,
they're only shooting like three quarters of the

1437
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,479
building. But the hard camera looks
good. It looks like a special event,

1438
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:14,119
not just a typical impact, which
is good. And the stage is

1439
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:15,600
set. Boss, It's time for
Hole Coogan to wrestle, well fight,

1440
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,199
staying it bound for Glory twenty eleven. Here you got age, Tony says.

1441
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:23,000
Both Hogan and Sting are dressed to
fight, and that's exactly what this

1442
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:26,600
is going to be. The bell
sounds and Hogan starts his jogging again.

1443
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,880
Immediately it goes yeah, it goes
right for the jog and he mentioned boxing

1444
01:44:30,079 --> 01:44:33,560
flippantly in that Howard Stern interview.
Hogan puts the dukes up and I swear

1445
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:38,600
to God starts working the job.
They are yes, he does. He's

1446
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:42,760
ready. I've never seen Hogan try
to box before. Never, never,

1447
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:48,520
It's it's kind of uncomfortable Stings standing
to fight. Yeah, I guess that's

1448
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:53,399
the idea. Stings standing at a
distance with Narya Warri that Hogan will reach

1449
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,840
him. Hogan and puts up a
hand like wait, and then waves on

1450
01:44:57,039 --> 01:45:00,800
for someone to come in from the
back. And Rick Flare's music hits takes

1451
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:08,239
no, not that one. It
is. Flaire comes down. We cut

1452
01:45:08,279 --> 01:45:10,920
to Dixie. She's like, come
on, and she gives he knows the

1453
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:15,079
fixes in again a right exactly,
man, Something's always fixed. Today's screams,

1454
01:45:15,159 --> 01:45:19,840
looks like an immortal curve ball.
Oh Flaire comes out in a full

1455
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:24,640
suit, ready to fight. I
guess, throws gum at someone along the

1456
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:28,000
ramp Hogan and they're laughing, and
how you know he's I don't know.

1457
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:31,520
This is something like brilliant thing like
this is a big fucking dupe, right,

1458
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,239
Like it took a lot of ingenuity. Just you remember, you remember

1459
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:38,800
Sting beat him two weeks ago,
right, you remember that? And the

1460
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,159
whole notion was that, you know, because Flair suffered the injury in that

1461
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:44,159
match, that he wouldn't be able
to do what they envisioned for him in

1462
01:45:44,199 --> 01:45:45,600
this Hogan match, which is take
a lot of the bumps and carry a

1463
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,680
lot of the load in terms of
like action. And he really still doesn't,

1464
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:53,239
but he does play a role,
comes down the ramp, all smiling,

1465
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,479
He fucking takes some bumps. He
does. Yeah, but I don't

1466
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,800
think he I don't know. In
my mind's eye, it was like there'd

1467
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:01,880
be a point Hogan's laid out and
like Sting and Flare basically do like a

1468
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:08,960
ten minute match alone in terms of
like how I originally conceptualized of how Flair's

1469
01:46:09,079 --> 01:46:12,520
role was being reported and how it
was compromised by the shoulder injury. I

1470
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,840
think he did a lot less,
but she does a lot still. Um

1471
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:17,800
he comes down the ramp. Dixie
with her eyes closed for a second.

1472
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,640
It's has a great scowl. I
gotta give her credit for that. She

1473
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:30,119
has a great scowl and a nervous
a nervous boss or business owner in her

1474
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:33,720
companies on the line after all,
Tessa says, if anyone knows Sting,

1475
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:38,600
it's Flair or his mom. He
says, Dixie looks so panicked and nervous.

1476
01:46:39,319 --> 01:46:43,840
Yes, and now we wrestle.
Now we fight. As Flare's music

1477
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:48,960
comes down, they lock up and
it's time for some musha husha. That's

1478
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,439
how I that's how I fight.
I do fight. I like to do

1479
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:56,760
a collar and elbow tie up,
and then I start off with a side

1480
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,279
headlock. A better way to win
a bar fight, right, that's right,

1481
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:04,479
so sidehead luck on staning he's cranking
ashah, this is a staying cranking

1482
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,359
on the headlock. Hogan hugs the
waist is Sting cranks. Hogan falls to

1483
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:12,279
a knee and he gets up push
off tackles. Sting goes down the Hookster

1484
01:47:12,359 --> 01:47:15,520
wins that one, yes, and
then he poses. Oh my god,

1485
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:19,840
he goes nuts, doesn't He goes
fucking crazy and he hits the deck.

1486
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:24,079
Hogan takes off the Bandanna, throws
it its Sting and starts holking the fuck

1487
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:29,520
up in Philly, and he's posing
and all the power. It's basically WrestleMania

1488
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,119
eighteen all over again, but just
on a very smaller scale, and the

1489
01:47:32,199 --> 01:47:35,039
crowd, and the crowd fucking loves
it. And then he fucking does a

1490
01:47:35,079 --> 01:47:41,000
cross shop. And the way Hogan's
like bend permanently at the knees with his

1491
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:44,960
crooked back, He's always like halfway
to a crotch shop anyway, Yeah,

1492
01:47:45,239 --> 01:47:48,479
yeah, And he throws one,
and Sting rips off the yellow shirt.

1493
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,960
He's all pissed at Hogan's showing off
like this. Hogan kicks the gut of

1494
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,600
Sting and throws some right hands,
and Sting is just bouncing brilliantly all over

1495
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,479
the ring. For the hookster.
He really is. I mean, it's

1496
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:05,720
it's a it's really incredible. And
it doesn't look it doesn't look phony,

1497
01:48:06,279 --> 01:48:09,359
no, not at all. It
looks like what a boxer would do if

1498
01:48:09,359 --> 01:48:11,279
he took a shot where he's like
out in his feet and he's trying to

1499
01:48:11,319 --> 01:48:15,079
find a place to hide, you
know. So he's ping ponging him around

1500
01:48:15,079 --> 01:48:19,520
the ring as the Hulkster and throwing
some chops and finally drops Sting and then

1501
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:23,439
Hogan rakes the boot across the face, puts in a chin lock does the

1502
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:28,399
Hulkster with his knee in between Sting's
shoulder blades. Dixie a ball of nerves

1503
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,840
seated at ringside. They actually shoot
her through the guardrail as the cameraman gets

1504
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,760
inspired. Sting comes up with the
back, elbow and right hands to break

1505
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:39,199
free. He hits the ropes,
but Hogan cuts him down with a larry

1506
01:48:39,239 --> 01:48:43,039
at Hogan still in control, and
then he crotched chops and that's one time

1507
01:48:43,079 --> 01:48:45,439
too many. He doesn't like he
does well, he doesn't multiple like he's

1508
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,079
fucking xpot. Yeah, he just
loses his mind. It's like you hit

1509
01:48:48,119 --> 01:48:53,600
the joystick and no mercy. Yeah, yes, stop Terry. The first

1510
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,119
time is kind of funny, but
now it's like stop it. Yeah,

1511
01:48:56,319 --> 01:48:59,199
dude, no more. How I
realized you think it's cool, you know,

1512
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,520
right, and and you're not cool
enough to get away with it.

1513
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,399
At first, I was willing to
like think, well, maybe he's doing

1514
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:08,439
it almost ironically, like, you
know, how funny is it that Hulkogan,

1515
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,520
old man Hogan is doing this,
But then he does it a second

1516
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,039
time and it's like, no,
Terry, we didn't actually pop because it

1517
01:49:13,159 --> 01:49:16,399
was cool. We pop because it
was kind of and I'm weird, Yeah,

1518
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:20,560
mocked yourself. So then he kicks
Staying under the bottom rope, Um

1519
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,800
pushes him with his foot under the
bottom rope to the floor, sting wabbling

1520
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,119
out there. He then rolls on
the other side and Hogan clubs him across

1521
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:30,760
the back, starts staying get your
ass up, Staying, rakes the back

1522
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:38,000
and stings sells it hitting the rockie
first thing. Another thing I do.

1523
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:41,600
I always rake the back when I'm
in a fight. Absolutely, it rakes

1524
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:43,680
the eyes as well, and a
right hand drops sting. He takes a

1525
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,960
nice bump for that. Tess says
that, um, Hulk Coogan doesn't rush

1526
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:53,800
into anything, um and I'm thinking
yeah, because he can't. And Test

1527
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,840
talks about how Hogan always has the
amazing ability in terms of timing and when

1528
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,199
he drills somebody. So they're trying
to you know, build and aura around

1529
01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:02,720
how Hulk Cogan's controlling this match.
And I have to say this about Hulk

1530
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,760
Hogan. It goes even back to
the Hollywood Hogan days in WW. As

1531
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:11,239
limited as he was physically, especially
as the years went by, and as

1532
01:50:11,279 --> 01:50:15,800
fake as his offense looked compared to
everything else in WCW, it's it's still

1533
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,279
there was still an integrity to a
Hulk Hogan match totally. I mean,

1534
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:23,720
it's not that he's doing anything spectacular, it's not that he's performing in it

1535
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:29,159
kind of great feats, but he
finds a way, no matter how unbelievable

1536
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:33,079
his offense looks compared to others,
he does just a little in between things

1537
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:36,840
just well enough that you can buy
that the guy he's hitting is really hurt

1538
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:41,960
and is really taking a beating,
even if Hogan can't do anything a white

1539
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,319
belt and throw right hands, and
I tell you it's the guy he's against,

1540
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:49,479
Yes, the guy he does.
He does kind of simple enough stuff

1541
01:50:50,199 --> 01:50:54,840
that no matter who he is against, can sell it really well. Interesting.

1542
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,600
So here he is running the show
here basically at this point, and

1543
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:11,640
he throws sting to the floor and
Flair springs into action, choking staying with

1544
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,760
the coach, Chops rights and left
in the corner right front of Dixie Carter,

1545
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,239
and we get fucking these Kevin dunn
Asque camera zooms whenever there's a chop.

1546
01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:24,079
Do you notice that? I didn't
know interesting? It was very annoying,

1547
01:51:24,279 --> 01:51:29,239
like there's an earthquake or something in
the building, like the voom voom

1548
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,359
type of zooms in and out.
Crad goes nuts with woos Is flair springs

1549
01:51:32,359 --> 01:51:34,880
in action attacking Sting. Hogan comes
down, drops to a knee, and

1550
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:39,359
low blows Sting. Hogan has to
actually drop to a knee to be able

1551
01:51:39,359 --> 01:51:42,680
to punch someone in the nuts.
And it's not like the ref is going

1552
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,560
to do a damn thing to stop
it. No, because it's Bishops kid.

1553
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:50,800
They say no, and it's a
fight. I think that. Yeah,

1554
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:55,079
that fan that tapped Dixie's face earlier
gets a dapt from Hogan to the

1555
01:51:55,159 --> 01:51:57,800
front row, I mean, dressed
us like him. Real. There we

1556
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,359
go. As Hogan takes over at
rings side, he throws chops and rights

1557
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:05,279
against the rail, He bites Sting's
head. Flare passes something quickly to Hogan,

1558
01:52:05,399 --> 01:52:09,840
some kind of object we can't quite
see, steel, rold steel.

1559
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,560
It looks like a tampon to me. It's always rold steel, rold steel.

1560
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,199
And Hogan just stabs him in the
head, staying repeatedly with the object,

1561
01:52:17,319 --> 01:52:20,000
says something like, you tell him, next time he messes with me,

1562
01:52:20,039 --> 01:52:23,359
I'll knock his damn teeth out.
I don't even know who he's talking

1563
01:52:23,359 --> 01:52:26,279
about, but he just blurts that
line out, does the Holkster, Yeah

1564
01:52:26,399 --> 01:52:28,960
hard, rip to the rail and
man to sting take that rail hard,

1565
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,279
really making Hogan look like a fucking
superman. And Hogan keeps stabbing away like

1566
01:52:33,359 --> 01:52:36,800
he's the Sheek and nothing and what
about that a whole Cogan that's later in

1567
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,920
life, like the Shek was in
like nineteen seventy eight in Detroit. Just

1568
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,960
gets in the ring, throws five
or stabs someone in the head and it's

1569
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,640
over in like eight minutes. Yeah, just like beating him with weapons and

1570
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,600
shit, but what not even big
weapons. Just like a psychotic Hogan.

1571
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:54,840
They just starts stabbing people. I
kind of can dig that. Yep.

1572
01:52:55,159 --> 01:52:59,279
Um again, Hogan's here just a
little long in the back. He's overcompensating,

1573
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:02,520
and it's it's alarming and it's um, yes, it doesn't put me

1574
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,600
in a comfortable place, you know
what, I mean to have him on

1575
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:14,600
that old like have with long hair, just I don't know. It's very

1576
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,119
uncomfortable. And the ring stings split
open, but you can't really tell because

1577
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:19,520
he's got red face paint on anyway. But then they take a yeah,

1578
01:53:20,039 --> 01:53:24,239
I know, different angle on it
in the plasma is clear. Hogan drops

1579
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:26,720
Sting with the right hand. It
does a great little strut for Ric Flair

1580
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:31,159
does the hookster and right hand blocked, Sting starts firing back the joker paint.

1581
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:35,039
I have to say, Boss,
I think it makes stings unfortunate hair

1582
01:53:35,159 --> 01:53:39,319
situation work for him when he's got
the Joker gimmick. Yes, yes,

1583
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:44,439
totally again, you know, every
the joker thing, everything, everything worked

1584
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:47,560
better. I was able to not
notice all the things that I normally hate

1585
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:51,920
about old man Sting. Yes,
he's making it work for him that he

1586
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:58,159
looks like that, and so that's
in full Effecting unloads on Hogan and drops

1587
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:00,640
him to the floor and gives him
chase. Ric Flair scoll around trying to

1588
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,119
counteract Stinging, and then Sting re
enters and throws some right hands on Hulk

1589
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:05,920
Cogan and a big shot drops the
Hogster. You heard it here. First,

1590
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:11,399
Hogan takes a bump in the bound
for Glory ring. Does he does?

1591
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:14,199
Is that hardware? Hold up?
I'm here to tell you, yes,

1592
01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:16,399
it does. It does. Indeed, he rolls out to the floor.

1593
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:20,560
Um. Sting goes after him,
chases Flare right hand drops the nature

1594
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:25,279
Boy and Flare it's reaching into his
pants. So he's trying to basically like

1595
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:29,039
reveal an object that Sting is supposed
to take away from him, the cock

1596
01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:31,880
Brother. Yeah, it does create
this weird moment where Flare's lang laying on

1597
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,960
the floor fishing around and his slacks. Ah, so he does snatch it

1598
01:54:36,039 --> 01:54:39,800
from him. Flare tries to alert
Hogan that Sting has the object that I

1599
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:42,680
was going to pass to you,
but Sting crowns Hogan with it to a

1600
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,720
tepid response. I don't think the
crowd is really really that into Sting beating

1601
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,800
the shit out of whole Cogan.
No, I don't think the crowd wants

1602
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:54,359
to see. Yeah it's yeah,
it's Hogan is so fucking weird, man,

1603
01:54:55,359 --> 01:54:57,800
It's not unlike anybody else. I
mean, I mean, here's the

1604
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:02,319
thing too. Out of curiosity,
is there a possibility that a lot of

1605
01:55:02,359 --> 01:55:10,079
these fans are not TNA fans and
just heard that Hogan and Staying were wrestlings.

1606
01:55:11,479 --> 01:55:15,520
I think it's I think that's more
likely in TNA than any wrestling organization

1607
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:19,560
that has ever existed, in terms
of the possibility that someone bought a ticket

1608
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:24,520
to see who you have on the
card, but otherwise has no idea what

1609
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:29,720
promotion is presenting the matches, which
is so ironic because every storyline is about

1610
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:32,760
the company. You watch their television
and you assume the thing their fans care

1611
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:36,439
the most about is the health and
the story and the lore of the company

1612
01:55:36,479 --> 01:55:41,239
itself. Meanwhile, most of the
people who are buying tickets have no idea

1613
01:55:41,279 --> 01:55:46,119
what TNA even is truly amazing,
so um, I'm probably overstating it,

1614
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:50,640
but that don't you think that was
a thing missing in like nineteen eighty seven

1615
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:56,960
leading up to wrestling You throughout why
aren't they talking about branding initiative right exactly?

1616
01:55:57,119 --> 01:56:00,199
And we weren't sure who's who's in
charge of the company, And they're

1617
01:56:00,319 --> 01:56:02,560
talking about the boardroom at the WrestleMania
three press conference with Hogan and Andre you

1618
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:06,640
know, why are not talking about
um contracts? Why are they not talking

1619
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:14,239
about struggle struggles for boardroom power and
TV executives Absolutely the network right, Why

1620
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:20,199
I wasn't the network ever mentioned in
building up WrestleMania three. I just can't

1621
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:25,279
imagine why they didn't do that.
It's really a missed opportunity. But Sting's

1622
01:56:25,319 --> 01:56:28,079
doing well and the crowd doesn't really
want to see it. And there's another

1623
01:56:28,079 --> 01:56:30,279
shot to the head and Hogan has
chosed. Hogan has color and Philly and

1624
01:56:30,439 --> 01:56:33,880
he takes a big flat back bump
here as well, nice clean flat back

1625
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:41,600
by the Hulkster. Bloody Sting kicking
away at Hulk Hogan rough rof rough roff

1626
01:56:42,039 --> 01:56:46,319
rough roff. Hogan's cornered Sting or
splash scores on the Holster. Flare gets

1627
01:56:46,359 --> 01:56:48,760
up on the apron and Sting drops
him. Hogan then turns his back to

1628
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:53,199
Sting in the corner. I cannot
below their eyes, brother, you must

1629
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:58,159
have really been gimmicked up. Hogan
turns his back on Sting. Another sting

1630
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,880
or splash, this time to the
back. Can sells. Of course the

1631
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:04,560
lower back is yeah, especially damaged. He kind of he doesn't quite flat

1632
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:08,119
back on this one. It kind
of like rolls off to the side onto

1633
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:12,239
the mat and then Sting is gonna
hook the scorpion deathlock. Yeah, here

1634
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:15,880
I got that. I got this
last sequence here for you. Stay splashed

1635
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,279
to the bag of Holgan, who
goes into the corner. He had repaired

1636
01:57:19,359 --> 01:57:29,880
back of whole Cogan multiple surgeries,
attempt at the scorpion. Oh my god,

1637
01:57:30,119 --> 01:57:32,560
step one, he's got the legs
heart, He's gonna make the big

1638
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:40,359
turn. He's gonna step over.
He's closed. He's the imagine that,

1639
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:45,319
Oh my god, on Hogan's body, but his back operations, the knee

1640
01:57:45,399 --> 01:57:51,920
replacements, he's come out with the
red brie Son. You don't want to

1641
01:57:51,960 --> 01:58:02,960
say, oh my god. This
whole moment they've been building for eighteen months,

1642
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,920
I guess. And it comes down
to the most interesting thing about it

1643
01:58:06,039 --> 01:58:11,720
is that Garrett Bischoff calls for the
bell. Of course, what a strange

1644
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,159
thing to be calling out at this
crescendo moment, and the announcers react like

1645
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:19,079
really, like this is the I
mean, the moment that we're supposed to

1646
01:58:19,079 --> 01:58:25,239
go completely ecstatic over. Also,
there have been no near falls, yes,

1647
01:58:25,359 --> 01:58:30,039
exactly, There's been no moment where
Garrett Bischoff made a choice to not

1648
01:58:30,439 --> 01:58:36,920
count for staying this is the first
time. It's very odd. Yeah,

1649
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:41,159
it's it's again, it's just mismanaged. They just have a way of throwing

1650
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:45,359
a monkey wrench into everything they do, and it's like so stupid. Like

1651
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,239
the it's like they get something that's
kind of hot and they like forced two,

1652
01:58:47,439 --> 01:58:50,880
two or three other agendas into it
to put what is this guy doing

1653
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,600
here and what does he have to
do with any of this? Yeah,

1654
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,880
it's not like how Hogan insinuated himself
in every World Champion, you know,

1655
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,279
in twenty and ten, like he
had to have something to do with the

1656
01:58:59,319 --> 01:59:02,159
next guy to win the belt.
It's like why, But it just seemed

1657
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:05,479
like such an extraneous extra head on
the monster. But yeah, he puts

1658
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,399
a scorpion deathlock on he kind of
sits down on it. He kind of

1659
01:59:09,479 --> 01:59:12,720
does that like over emphasized sit.
You know, it looks like he's like,

1660
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,359
oh oh god, it's so it's
it's it's seven. Maybe the one

1661
01:59:15,359 --> 01:59:18,479
of the worst sharpshooters scorpion deathlocks I've
ever seen. Yeah, you can't just

1662
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,600
as well really wrap up Hulk in
that hold with the state of his back.

1663
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:24,840
But I was impressed he could even
get this far in terms of there's

1664
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:28,119
a bit of arch to the back
of the Hulkster in the position he's in,

1665
01:59:28,159 --> 01:59:31,720
and he finally concedes and he's tapping. He taps like ten times before

1666
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:35,439
Jackson James calls for the bell for
what it's worth and uh, yeah,

1667
01:59:35,479 --> 01:59:41,520
that's it. Um. After that, referee hesitation to finish. Uh kind

1668
01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:45,079
of kind of flat, kind of
a flat finish. You know, the

1669
01:59:45,159 --> 01:59:46,399
people are like, all right,
that's well, I mean, because what

1670
01:59:46,479 --> 01:59:51,079
are you supposed to be again?
There have been no no attempted pinfalls,

1671
01:59:54,279 --> 01:59:57,439
no, no attempts at a win. Yeah, fans are not the really

1672
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:02,119
conditioned to, you know, act
like you want them to in twenty eleven

1673
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:05,439
if you haven't given them a couple
of near falls at least, maybe that's

1674
02:00:05,439 --> 02:00:08,920
a sad state of affairs. But
I think this is what happens. I

1675
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:11,560
mean, you just don't do that. I mean any I think any match

1676
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:15,239
needs that because because you know,
yeah, part of the match, part

1677
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:18,600
of the feel of a match is
like not knowing if the guy you want

1678
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:23,600
to win is going to win,
you know, like you know, being

1679
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:28,520
fearful or coming close to winning or
whatever, you know, and so if

1680
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:31,439
you don't have that, I mean, what the fuck. Yeah, But

1681
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:34,640
the reverse psychology here is those moments
would go to Hogan. You know,

1682
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:39,600
It's like they want them moments where
Hogan's going to win. That's what they

1683
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,600
want, and they weren't willing to
tease that. But I wonder if that's

1684
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,439
part of the psychology. Like if
Hogan gets a near fall and Sting kicks

1685
02:00:45,439 --> 02:00:47,560
out, people are gonna start booing
Sting because they want it, hoping to

1686
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:51,600
take it right there. But if
he sits down on the scorpion, it

1687
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:57,439
is over and there's like no time
for this monumental moment to sink in whatsoever

1688
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:00,640
they do. Cut to Dixie Carter, who does a great celebration at ringside.

1689
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:03,520
She really really sells the significance of
what has happened. But Flair immediately

1690
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:09,600
pounds on Sting and we're moving on
to another story. That's right. You

1691
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:12,960
can hear the announcers having to amp
up their excitement, not quite meeting the

1692
02:01:13,039 --> 02:01:16,000
moment, however, and then Eric
Bischoff, Bully, Ray Gunner, Scott

1693
02:01:16,039 --> 02:01:19,520
Steiner from Immortal, they all come
out with steel chairs and they get in

1694
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:23,760
the ring and start slamming those chairs
in the sting and now we have this

1695
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:27,000
very weird cutaway where Abiss is just
looking through the curtain but not coming out.

1696
02:01:28,399 --> 02:01:30,760
Never they never mentioned it again.
They hardly even mentioned it on on

1697
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:33,880
television afterwards. But it's the beginning
of another baby face turn for Abiss here

1698
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:39,479
because he's I guess, hesitant to
participate in this beatdown and they're going off

1699
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:43,399
on the Stinger. The unfortunate thing
for t and A about that the angle

1700
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,800
that they shot Abiss from his gives
you like a very clear view of like

1701
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:49,359
an almost empty upper deck. I
know that they did such a great job

1702
02:01:49,359 --> 02:01:56,680
of hiding yep, but that's that
everyone taking their shots on Sting. Taz

1703
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:00,720
can't believe that Jackson James called for
the bell, Bishop going to swing a

1704
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:02,960
chair, and before he can hit
Sting with it, Garrett grabs the chair

1705
02:02:03,039 --> 02:02:05,039
from his father. There's really not
a pop, but he does it,

1706
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:10,520
and then Bully grabs Garrett Bischoff and
Eric Bischoff smacks his son in the back

1707
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:15,319
with a steel chair. So just
like that, Eric is now after congratulating

1708
02:02:15,359 --> 02:02:19,920
his son and you know, lavishing
him with praise. Earlier in the broadcast

1709
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,960
when they finally reveal the true nature
of things. Bischof has already turned on

1710
02:02:24,079 --> 02:02:26,960
him. Hogan bleeding all over the
place in the corners. This is all

1711
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,600
going on. He is not participating
in this post match beat down from Sting,

1712
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:31,760
But oh my god, to us, it's probably because you can't right

1713
02:02:32,359 --> 02:02:34,760
right. I mean, I was
thinking like he's just beat up and stuff.

1714
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:39,359
He can't fucking do it. Tanaisan
shocked at Bischoff just took out his

1715
02:02:39,439 --> 02:02:45,039
own son and sitting getting staying rather
as getting ping ponged around all these heels,

1716
02:02:45,079 --> 02:02:48,520
everyone taking their shots. And when
Sting hits the mat stomach first,

1717
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:51,840
he looks up. Yea. He
looks at Hogan in a bloody heap in

1718
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:56,319
the corner, and he starts shouting
to Hull Hope, help me, help

1719
02:02:56,399 --> 02:02:59,359
me, grabbing his legs, help
me as they grab it Sting and he

1720
02:02:59,399 --> 02:03:03,199
yanked him back and then and then
here I go, I got this.

1721
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:23,279
I got this for you, I
got this for you, ripping that shirt.

1722
02:03:29,159 --> 02:03:41,760
Hello, going to town help one
stag. I can't believe this,

1723
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:57,279
Hogan, take it out, Livers
only calling faction staying unit itude. What

1724
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:08,600
what's going on? Listens should be
a big fuckers like training, this trying

1725
02:04:08,720 --> 02:05:08,960
time that the blind scarce sports on
having sense going along, look shore cowering

1726
02:05:09,039 --> 02:05:20,119
in the corner. I give him
this one. I cannot believe that,

1727
02:05:25,479 --> 02:05:38,399
can't believes. I think I think
Hogan's election. Who can said, I'm

1728
02:05:38,479 --> 02:05:45,479
back. The real Hugan is back
there. It is the real Hull Cogan

1729
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:48,960
is back. Will the will the
real Hull Cogan please stand up? Would

1730
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:51,760
that'd be the guy with the immortal
tattooed across the top of his back.

1731
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:56,640
Oh my god, I mean save
it too well about Hulk, but a

1732
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:00,800
few wrestlers we've ever seen can get
the reaction, and he does by just

1733
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:05,520
looking at the crowd, craning your
neck just slightly, and these people went

1734
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:11,600
insane. Yeah, I would say
that that is probably probably the equivalent of

1735
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:20,239
Austin returning in Providence to beat up
the Alliance. Interesting parallel the TNA version,

1736
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:24,319
right, it is high as close
to that as you could expect TENA

1737
02:06:24,359 --> 02:06:26,279
to get. I would say,
as close, yeah, as close to

1738
02:06:26,319 --> 02:06:29,359
that as you can get in TNA. And when he rips that chart,

1739
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:34,600
it is the whole thing. It
is crowdship us. Yeah, it might

1740
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:40,279
as well be fucking nineteen eighty five. What do they want? They want

1741
02:06:40,479 --> 02:06:44,399
Hulk Cogan to be able to do
what hul Cogan does. Who's been saying

1742
02:06:44,439 --> 02:06:47,000
that for a fucking four months now, I know, I mean, yeah,

1743
02:06:47,119 --> 02:06:53,479
here's the proof, the second one. That's all they want is Hulk

1744
02:06:53,479 --> 02:06:58,680
Cogan to be Hulk Coogan, And
sadly it's the one thing he really can't

1745
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:00,479
give on a regular basis, something
the last thing he wants to be.

1746
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:04,359
It seems like, yeah, it's
it's a moment for the man. It's

1747
02:07:04,399 --> 02:07:08,680
a moment. I would put it
in his in his his career story as

1748
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:12,199
a moment for sure. Yep.
I'm probably the best, his best t

1749
02:07:12,319 --> 02:07:15,279
and a moment. Yeah, it
just happened. I know it's coming.

1750
02:07:15,319 --> 02:07:18,920
I know where we've been. Nothing
comes close. Yeah, because it's just,

1751
02:07:19,239 --> 02:07:26,800
um, it's just like this mass
realization at all at once that like,

1752
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:29,479
yeah, actually, you know,
as much as we're sick of him

1753
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:33,119
and he's been watered down and he
talks forever and it's all this fucking smoke

1754
02:07:33,159 --> 02:07:36,239
and mirror storytelling with this guy,
this is actually Hull Coke and standing before

1755
02:07:36,319 --> 02:07:40,560
us, sure, and they get
that he permission. I've said too that

1756
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:45,520
there are times where, um,
where again he's been He's been rock solid,

1757
02:07:45,159 --> 02:07:50,079
rock fucking solid in terms of of
of what he's said, what he's

1758
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:53,960
selling. Yes, you know,
like when he's selling somebody else, he's

1759
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:58,640
actually really good at it. Agreed. Yep. He knows how to cut

1760
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:00,960
the promo in the hull coke in
voice to get over the next guy,

1761
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:03,680
and not every great baby Face can
do that. So that's actually a feather

1762
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,239
in his cap. That's not just
total mistakes. It's not just like everybody

1763
02:08:07,279 --> 02:08:11,359
can do that that becomes a superstar
baby Face. But the guy he does

1764
02:08:11,439 --> 02:08:15,760
it one more time and they're up
for it, and he rips the shirt

1765
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:20,640
and that's a nuclear pop and insane. As you heard, they cleared the

1766
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:24,159
ring out, they go face to
face Sting and Hogan. They show Dixie

1767
02:08:24,399 --> 02:08:31,279
practically in tears at rings. She
is glowing. She's like, I can

1768
02:08:31,439 --> 02:08:35,079
imagine the story she's telling herself in
her head about how this is at an

1769
02:08:35,079 --> 02:08:37,680
actual moment, you know what I
mean? Ye ye, all she's done

1770
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:41,920
to try to build up this company, and all the people who told her

1771
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:43,399
that she was out of her mind
to pay the kind of dollars it takes

1772
02:08:43,439 --> 02:08:46,920
to get Sting and Hogan in that
ring. And now what she's probably saying

1773
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:50,720
to herself, we'll see about that. Yeah, I would be saying that

1774
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:54,840
too. What the fuck comes next? Now? What the real Hulk Hogan

1775
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:58,159
is back? Well, let's not
get carried away. I don't know about

1776
02:08:58,239 --> 02:09:01,279
real real about Hulk Hogan to begin
with, Sting says to Hogan, I

1777
02:09:01,399 --> 02:09:05,279
want Hulkamania. Sting points to Terry
and does the ear cup like do you

1778
02:09:05,319 --> 02:09:07,399
want to see him do it?
And Sting takes the ropes and Dixie is

1779
02:09:07,479 --> 02:09:15,199
crying and her clasped hands, and
that's the moment. That's that's pretty Yeah,

1780
02:09:16,439 --> 02:09:18,680
they chant Hogan big time. Is
Sting takes the ropes to get them

1781
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:22,039
on their feet. Hogan extends the
hands and extends his hand and he shakes

1782
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:26,560
Stings and raises Sting's hand, and
then Jackson James gets in the action and

1783
02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:30,840
raises Hogan's hand as well, and
Dixie turns around and gives okay, okay,

1784
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:33,000
let's take a moment here to think
about it. Let's see that.

1785
02:09:33,279 --> 02:09:45,600
Let's take a moment here. You
get Sting and Garrett raising Hulk Hogan's hand.

1786
02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:54,720
Hulk Hogan lost Hulk Hogan lost the
match, or did he? But

1787
02:09:56,119 --> 02:10:00,479
Hulk Hogan's hand is the one being
raised. Funny, yeah, because that's

1788
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:05,279
Hull Cogan. That's Hull Hogan exactly. He sneaks in that visual of triumph

1789
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:11,560
even when he loses every time,
yep, every time, or at least

1790
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:16,279
and even the fact where what happens
after this stinging Garrett leave the ring and

1791
02:10:16,399 --> 02:10:26,359
Hulk Hogan's left there tremendous. It's
been a real treat in TNH to realize

1792
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:30,399
that that part of Hule Cogan didn't
die, because oh yeah, when I

1793
02:10:30,479 --> 02:10:31,119
was thinking back on the teenage run, I was like, you know,

1794
02:10:31,279 --> 02:10:35,159
he kind of does fly the company
flag and kind of just go out there

1795
02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:37,680
and try to get everybody else over. It's not like, you know,

1796
02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:39,680
he's trying to win the boat the
whole time, but it's like, actually,

1797
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:46,439
actually he is. He's actually never
too far away from having a direct

1798
02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:50,920
televised involvement or behind the scenes obsession
with that title and who's going to hold

1799
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:54,199
it and who isn't. With that, we jumped to our main event,

1800
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,399
Oh Boy Down for Glory twenty eleven. It's Kurt Angle defending against Bobby rude.

1801
02:10:58,439 --> 02:11:01,159
So we've talked a lot about how
they built him up, how rude.

1802
02:11:01,239 --> 02:11:05,199
You know. We played some clips
last week stepped into the foreground and

1803
02:11:05,239 --> 02:11:09,279
started talking tough to Holkogan, announcing
his independence. And they did a big,

1804
02:11:09,359 --> 02:11:13,800
long series of videos with him talking
to his kids, talking to his

1805
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:18,039
wife, explaining how he's a family
man, showing him training, explaining how

1806
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:20,560
for thirteen years he's toiled in the
business, trying to make it, made

1807
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:24,800
TNA is home and grew with TNA. I believe in the in the video

1808
02:11:26,399 --> 02:11:31,920
it says they talk about thirteen years
of sacrifice. Yes, and I think,

1809
02:11:31,079 --> 02:11:33,960
but Tenna isn't even thirteen years old. How can there be thirteen years

1810
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:37,560
of sacrifice? In fact, from
what I counted, that last May May

1811
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:43,880
twenty eleven was the only the seventh
sacrifice. I can't believe that you went

1812
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:46,840
there because I wrote the exact same
thing down. I mean, not word

1813
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:48,760
for word, but I wrote,
well, the pay per view hasn't even

1814
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:54,399
been around that long, thirteen years
of sacrifice. It's like, no,

1815
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:58,760
man, it must be thinking of
lockdown. They show him coming home with

1816
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:01,640
the luggage and the kids and dogs
rushing up to him and all that and

1817
02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:05,680
hugging his wife. And he's talking
about two hundred and fifty days a year

1818
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:07,159
in the road. I don't know
about that. I know he traveled a

1819
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:11,199
lot, but TENA is not on
the road that much. I was not

1820
02:12:11,399 --> 02:12:15,159
saying, come on, man,
I mean unless you count driving to and

1821
02:12:15,319 --> 02:12:20,039
from the fucking you know. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true.

1822
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:24,239
One match doesn't mean that's the extent
of the travel. There's two and from

1823
02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:28,079
as well, but to and from
fucking the or you know, Universal Studios.

1824
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:31,199
Yeah, well he did. He
was one of those guys actually went

1825
02:12:31,239 --> 02:12:33,079
in the road for TENA. So
he was doing the how it shows a

1826
02:12:33,119 --> 02:12:37,880
few how it shows a week.
Um, but this is when Kurt Angle

1827
02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:43,720
was rail thin due to the movie
because he shooting Warrior. He said on

1828
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:46,039
his podcast, that's why he was
so thin at this point in time.

1829
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:50,840
Uh huh sure. Um, whatever
you say, pal, you keep telling

1830
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:54,199
if if that's what it makes you
sleep at night, go ahead, you

1831
02:12:54,279 --> 02:12:56,600
tell yourself that. And in the
pre roll video for this match, you

1832
02:12:56,680 --> 02:12:58,439
know, they're showing all these amazing
feats of athleticism from Kurt Angle and the

1833
02:12:58,479 --> 02:13:03,840
TENA and they include him moonsalting off
the cage against Jeff Jarrett had been completely

1834
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:09,159
missing. Jeff Jarrett. You imagine
if in your highlight reel it showed you

1835
02:13:09,279 --> 02:13:15,239
backflipping off a fence and landing on
your face for no fucking reason. What's

1836
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:18,840
that? They have James Storm and
there saying all the nights we rode the

1837
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:22,479
roads and you were on the phone
with your kids saying they missed their daddy.

1838
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:26,439
This is what makes it all worth
it. And they closed the video

1839
02:13:26,479 --> 02:13:28,880
with a Bobby chant and him looking
into the camera. This is Cody this

1840
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:33,960
year at WrestleMania. Better fucking believe
the outcome is the same. Yeah,

1841
02:13:33,399 --> 02:13:39,279
you damn right, motherfucker's because this
business knows how to build up somebody to

1842
02:13:39,399 --> 02:13:45,279
where they are. Nobody builds a
sentimental favorite better than pro wrestling. Yes,

1843
02:13:45,479 --> 02:13:48,079
he understand it, and they know
how to deliver it. But here's

1844
02:13:48,119 --> 02:13:52,039
the thing. When they get to
the building, their Carney instincts kick in

1845
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:56,840
and they can't have nice things.
They can't have nice things. They have

1846
02:13:56,920 --> 02:14:01,239
to fuck with it, and we
have to be fucked with his wrestling fans

1847
02:14:01,319 --> 02:14:03,800
because that's just the way they are, that's just the way it's meant to

1848
02:14:03,880 --> 02:14:07,800
be. So rude comes out in
the Beer Money song with a T shirt.

1849
02:14:07,640 --> 02:14:11,239
He's from the country, He's from
the city. The music goes front

1850
02:14:11,319 --> 02:14:16,199
Row will sign next World Champ like
Tonay, since it's time to see if

1851
02:14:16,199 --> 02:14:18,640
Bobby Rood's thirteen years of dedication will
pay off. If it is indeed Bobby

1852
02:14:18,720 --> 02:14:22,119
Rud's time, Kurt Ankle comes out. No stubble now, so that makes

1853
02:14:22,159 --> 02:14:26,880
his thinness less alarming, you know, but he had the stubble, looked

1854
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:30,840
like he was found homeless on skid
row four years after great television. Agreed,

1855
02:14:31,960 --> 02:14:39,960
But he's very Yeah, he's such
a fucking do He looks so unhealthy.

1856
02:14:39,359 --> 02:14:43,359
He's dealing with a torn hamstring coming
into its heavily taped showed injury.

1857
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:48,479
It's it's fascinating because the degree to
which perhaps Kurt has overplayed the injury is

1858
02:14:48,920 --> 02:14:52,479
the subject of dispute. He certainly
was hurt coming in, but you ask

1859
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:58,039
yourself, how can he physically walk
if you have a fully torn hamstring as

1860
02:14:58,039 --> 02:15:01,760
he's described later, and perhaps because
it wasn't, but he's he's hurt coming

1861
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:05,079
in, no question, he's hurt
coming in. That's important context in terms

1862
02:15:05,079 --> 02:15:09,399
of I'll believe it when I say
it our story. Um, he's making

1863
02:15:09,439 --> 02:15:13,680
a stride to the ring referee Brian
Hepner presiding hoists the TNA Heavyweight Championship up

1864
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:15,760
in the air. Okay, can
I can? I say too? By

1865
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:18,760
the way, his his tron video
says he is a fifteen time world champions

1866
02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:28,479
Okay. At this time, he
had held four ww titles, one World

1867
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:39,359
Heavyweight title, one WCW title,
one IWGP title. So that's seven and

1868
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:43,000
this was his fifth TNA title at
the time. So I count twelve world

1869
02:15:43,079 --> 02:15:50,720
titles. What could that be missing? What? What? What? What

1870
02:15:50,840 --> 02:15:56,760
are we missing? Where are the
three world titles? Very interesting? And

1871
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:05,840
I'll tell you I thought about it, and I it disturbs me. Don't

1872
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:11,960
say it that Perhaps they are considering
his world championships in real wrestling, gold

1873
02:16:13,039 --> 02:16:16,479
medals that he won at the Olympics
and at the World Championships. But then

1874
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:22,680
again, that's only two. The
only other kind of quote quote unquote world

1875
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:28,520
title that I was able to kind
of find out about Kurt Angel was m

1876
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:33,760
is it is it PPW in Memphis? Yeah? When they have that's not

1877
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:35,680
a world title, that's a Memphis
title, right, it doesn't even call

1878
02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:39,040
it They don't even call it a
world title. I mean that you should

1879
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:43,719
count the interconnittal bell if you're going
to count that, right, So that's

1880
02:16:43,799 --> 02:16:48,040
where I don't. I still again, even if you are going to count

1881
02:16:48,159 --> 02:16:52,040
his legit gold medals, which aren't
really championships per se. Oh that's not

1882
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:56,760
what anybody thinks and wrest pro wrestling, because they're they're medals. You know,

1883
02:16:56,280 --> 02:17:01,440
they're medals. I don't know where
these championships come from. You know.

1884
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:03,959
Again, even if they're even if
he counts those two, there's still

1885
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:07,399
a missing championship that I cannot account
for. Very interesting. I knew that

1886
02:17:07,479 --> 02:17:11,360
to get you. Whenever they show
like a stat like immediately, whenever it

1887
02:17:11,479 --> 02:17:15,040
just doesn't make I'm always on it. I'm like, give me, let

1888
02:17:15,079 --> 02:17:16,559
me, let me fucking get the
same fucking vader to the same thing.

1889
02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:22,520
You counting weird titles that aren't like
world titles. We come on, dude,

1890
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:24,360
he's fucking weird, Like like,
what do you what do you mean

1891
02:17:24,760 --> 02:17:30,399
world? You're not no man?
The c WA title in Germany? Yeah,

1892
02:17:33,159 --> 02:17:37,319
so my mom the Mama Sorrow title
too. Yeah, you counting matt

1893
02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:41,120
one pole in the moat tier.
That's right. So it's made of ventime.

1894
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:45,280
Bound for Glory twenty eleven. Bobby
Rude versus carn Angle Bobby Chant at

1895
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:48,280
the opening bell, they lock up
Rude with the side headlock, blocks the

1896
02:17:48,360 --> 02:17:50,479
hip toss to the cross face.
Bobby Rude is using the Crippla cross face

1897
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:56,440
as a submission finisher at the time. That's very, very offensive as a

1898
02:17:56,479 --> 02:18:00,920
Canadian too, right, dude,
Come on, man, I want to

1899
02:18:00,959 --> 02:18:07,719
reclaim the hold me too. Angle
scrambles and gets to the ropes um important.

1900
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:11,079
Remember they built the whole you know, Bound for Glory Series tournament around

1901
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:16,920
Bobby Rude. Eventually we're racking up
enough winds that he qualified for this title

1902
02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:18,200
shot. So this is a multi
month story they put together here for this

1903
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:22,360
guy. Tas calls out the quad
injury of what calls it a quad injury

1904
02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:26,840
of Kurt Angle. So I guess
here's my question. Why are you surprised

1905
02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:28,239
that doesn't go the way that everyone
wants it to go. I know,

1906
02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:33,760
slight pull of the groin. Actually, Taz says if Bobby Kurt Angle's injury,

1907
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:41,440
saying that it was training for this
contest. That's one thing I do

1908
02:18:41,559 --> 02:18:46,479
know about Kurtenger. He does overtrain, Angle takes over with a kick almost

1909
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:52,280
to the groin and then does a
snapsuplex working him over task. Na,

1910
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:58,360
what it's a nice nice snapsup please, it's Kurt angle for big fan.

1911
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:01,840
I know. Doesn't getting better than
that. And this allows Taz to say

1912
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:07,200
things like clasp your palms together,
yes, yes, that grip? Oh

1913
02:19:07,319 --> 02:19:11,959
oh, can I tell you here? He has this fucking uh you know

1914
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,959
what do you call it? A
waist lock? Does Kurt angle on?

1915
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:18,479
Rude? And I want to tell
you something. I'm going to play this

1916
02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:20,639
for you. But in this next
clip that I'm going to play you,

1917
02:19:20,799 --> 02:19:28,680
Taz says grip four times, leading
to Nay to say it twice. Okay,

1918
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:33,399
listen, listen. It is credible. Right back there, you go

1919
02:19:33,639 --> 02:19:37,840
right back to that reverse gup ranch
or reverse badhog whatever, and see that

1920
02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:43,840
under an over grip right there.
That's a tremendous one too. We can

1921
02:19:43,879 --> 02:19:46,639
get a shot of Kurt's hands that
type of grip three where all your power

1922
02:19:46,799 --> 02:19:52,680
is instead of clasping your fingers,
you clash your palms together and squeeze your

1923
02:19:52,719 --> 02:20:01,120
thumbs together and that grip is tight. Or you back up to his feet

1924
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:05,399
reels off the elbows to the side
of the hand angle to break that grip.

1925
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:09,840
Now it comes back the serious right
and it goes to the close quick

1926
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:13,520
not only duck the clothes life.
It goes from behind, it catches rude,

1927
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:18,680
it connects with soup plex one,
still maintaining the grip. Sex fucking

1928
02:20:18,799 --> 02:20:22,479
hell. That's I mean, it
was gripping commentary town guys, Let me

1929
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:28,799
tell you six uses of the word
grip in forty five seconds. So this

1930
02:20:28,959 --> 02:20:33,520
is the math here. Okay,
the word grip in that clip was spoken

1931
02:20:33,639 --> 02:20:39,159
on an average of less than every
eight seconds. Wow, that's a lot

1932
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:45,399
of grippage, a lot of grip
on fucking uh language. And Tad's going

1933
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:50,159
absolutely overboard about how Kurt brings his
elbows in when he does the germ grip,

1934
02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:56,239
and that even fucking emphasizes it at
one point. Grip. Yeah,

1935
02:20:56,280 --> 02:20:58,200
did you know that Kurt brings his
elbows closer to his body to bring more

1936
02:20:58,239 --> 02:21:01,719
explosiveness his hips? I did?
Did you not not to stand? I

1937
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,360
know? Totally, big fan.
And then he angled climbs to the top

1938
02:21:05,399 --> 02:21:07,879
because you know what, the man, what does he tell himself when he

1939
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:11,079
wakes up in the morning, if
I don't do what I might as well

1940
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:16,239
be dead sacrifice. That's correct,
and it's a shame because no one told

1941
02:21:16,280 --> 02:21:18,479
him that it happened in May.
So he clamps the ropes like he's gonna

1942
02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:22,479
do a moon salt. Bobby Rude
runs the ropes, says the walk up

1943
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:26,120
and toss his Kurt with a German
Kurt basically sells it by moon salting on

1944
02:21:26,239 --> 02:21:30,719
his fucking head and shoulders. Oh, I'll tell you that was a horrifying

1945
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:37,799
I was nervous totally because that looks
rough. I mean fortunately like it looked

1946
02:21:37,799 --> 02:21:39,959
like he landed on the top of
his head. But then they showed the

1947
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:46,959
replay and you could tell he kind
of he tilted his head slightly so that

1948
02:21:48,600 --> 02:21:50,959
it looked like he kind of landed
more on his shoulder. But it was

1949
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:54,520
still a close call. I wanted
to think about something, Boss, I

1950
02:21:54,559 --> 02:21:58,559
wanted to think about how anxiety provoking
it was just to take a body slam

1951
02:21:58,600 --> 02:22:03,040
at Renaissance rumble. Oh yeah,
and can you imagine, with your back

1952
02:22:03,079 --> 02:22:05,200
to the ropes on the top,
some guy runs up behind you German suplex

1953
02:22:05,239 --> 02:22:09,879
you and you have to back and
land in the mat just blindly flip your

1954
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:13,760
body and just crash into the canvas. No, I can't imagine. I

1955
02:22:13,799 --> 02:22:18,040
mean, you know, it kind
of takes me back to the Olympics,

1956
02:22:18,639 --> 02:22:24,319
the last Summer Olympics, when when
Simone Biles like she just suddenly couldn't do

1957
02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:28,040
it. You know, you have
to have that that mentality that you can

1958
02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:31,040
just you know, you gotta kind
of let go. But then if you

1959
02:22:31,159 --> 02:22:35,959
get in your head like that,
I don't know how anyone can do that

1960
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:41,920
as as a as a wrestler.
You know, once you if you get

1961
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:46,639
in your head over something, you're
done. I mean, and to have

1962
02:22:46,799 --> 02:22:50,840
that bad wheel to not be able
to push off of that's probably accounting for

1963
02:22:50,879 --> 02:22:52,000
it. I'm sure he didn't intend
to fall on his shoulder. I'm sure

1964
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:56,559
he intended to fall on his stomach
flat. But yeah, like he does

1965
02:22:56,680 --> 02:23:00,559
normally. But oh man, it
is just a death wish lunch for Angle,

1966
02:23:01,079 --> 02:23:01,879
it really is. I mean,
yeah, at this point, just

1967
02:23:01,959 --> 02:23:05,879
bring a canon to ringside and shoot
him out of it. Honestly, yes,

1968
02:23:05,319 --> 02:23:11,479
seriously, and motherfucker. And of
course Angle just gets right back up

1969
02:23:11,479 --> 02:23:13,360
and starts slugging away a moment later, because it's not like we sell something

1970
02:23:13,479 --> 02:23:18,920
like that Rude rallies with Larry It's
hits the buff blockbuster for two. Angle

1971
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:22,440
then captures him of an overhead release
suplex for two, then a DDT and

1972
02:23:22,559 --> 02:23:26,360
Bobby Rude sells the DDT we need
by spiking himself directly up in the air

1973
02:23:26,920 --> 02:23:31,520
and that gets to angle slam.
No. Actually, Rude lands on his

1974
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:35,479
feet and spine busts Curt angle for
two. Get it all sense to me?

1975
02:23:35,639 --> 02:23:39,520
Getting him undripleates radar, Angle climbs
the top rope as Rude tries to

1976
02:23:39,559 --> 02:23:43,639
climb and tosses him with a billy
to billy release superplex. That's good for

1977
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:46,600
two for the champion. Rude then
explodes into the crossface once again, locks

1978
02:23:46,639 --> 02:23:52,239
it on Tenais's arm seized, which
is a good yes, and then tasas

1979
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:56,559
cross face in deep deep deep angle
deep. Fine, you want to go?

1980
02:23:56,639 --> 02:24:01,479
You want to go here, boss
one. When curtis trapped in the

1981
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:05,719
cross face, does he or does
he not locate an ankle? I mean,

1982
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:13,000
come on, okay, this is
this whole, this whole moment,

1983
02:24:13,239 --> 02:24:16,000
this whole like I don't want to
use the word sequence, but I'm gonna

1984
02:24:16,079 --> 02:24:26,520
use the word sequence of a mess. Cross face by rouge Angle. This

1985
02:24:26,760 --> 02:24:41,440
fucking guy clutches an ankle, rolls
through Post's leg. Okay, then he

1986
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:46,000
just emerges with his ankle. I'll
tie it up. He just exactly,

1987
02:24:46,079 --> 02:24:56,319
he just fucking It's like he's birthed
like fucking aphrodite, you know. And

1988
02:24:56,440 --> 02:25:00,040
of course what's key is he said
rolls through. That's yes, that's we

1989
02:25:00,120 --> 02:25:05,479
say good wrestling because it and you
know what, it doesn't stop there because

1990
02:25:05,559 --> 02:25:11,959
now Rude decides it is his turn
to roll through and go back to the

1991
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:16,319
cross face. It's christ taking to
give me a heart attack this guy.

1992
02:25:16,360 --> 02:25:20,000
Because we're talking, we're talking,
you know, we're talking about desire,

1993
02:25:20,879 --> 02:25:28,239
we're talking about work rate, we're
talking about ring presence. Okay. Then,

1994
02:25:28,879 --> 02:25:39,639
as if we didn't roll enough an
awareness, Angle rolls through again,

1995
02:25:39,920 --> 02:25:52,680
but goes for pin. Cradles cradles
for pin. Okay, then kick out

1996
02:25:52,040 --> 02:25:58,479
both men up. Rude goes back
to the cross Hale comes up swinging and

1997
02:25:58,559 --> 02:26:03,959
Rude snatches him in it again.
Snatchism back to the crossface. Angle rolls

1998
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:09,319
through again. Awkwards he backflips,
yeah, to a vertical base. And

1999
02:26:09,399 --> 02:26:11,440
what do you know when you do
that, when you backflip to your feet

2000
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:15,719
with a guy having the crossface on
you. Where do you end up?

2001
02:26:15,799 --> 02:26:18,559
Fucking hell? Perfect position for an
angle slam eggs right, and you do

2002
02:26:18,719 --> 02:26:24,200
that and you get to business is
about chaining together submissions and rolling through.

2003
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:30,079
It's exactly it's about. It's about
and it's about post, it's about it's

2004
02:26:30,079 --> 02:26:33,479
about torque, and it's about roll
through. And that's exactly what angle does.

2005
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:37,840
And it's good for two. And
it goes back to the angle and

2006
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:41,719
then Bobby Rude rolls forward again and
kicks off and it catches a charging kren

2007
02:26:41,719 --> 02:26:46,159
angle with a big spinebuster and a
fisherman's supplex from Bobby Rude. That's good

2008
02:26:46,159 --> 02:26:48,760
for two. And the sad thing
about this whole thing is that the crowd

2009
02:26:48,959 --> 02:26:52,600
is pretty much dead. Yeah.
I don't know. I feel like they're

2010
02:26:52,639 --> 02:26:56,360
with it. Well, I didn't
feel like it to me. They weren't

2011
02:26:56,399 --> 02:27:01,000
reacting like you do like I've heard
I've heard people react to sequences like this.

2012
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:05,520
Did you listen with headphones in or
your computer speakers? I listened headphones

2013
02:27:05,559 --> 02:27:09,840
in. Kay, Yeah, I
did feel like on this show, this

2014
02:27:09,959 --> 02:27:13,719
broadcast in general, even the Hogan
moments, there's still too much of a

2015
02:27:13,799 --> 02:27:16,920
distance from the crowd noise. Even
when you can tell visually they're going nuts

2016
02:27:16,959 --> 02:27:20,719
and you can hear it, it
just doesn't sound as loud on the TV

2017
02:27:20,879 --> 02:27:24,159
as it looks like it should sound. Sure, I hate that about wrestling

2018
02:27:24,200 --> 02:27:26,639
because I'm always trying to gauge whether
people are getting excited about something, and

2019
02:27:26,719 --> 02:27:30,680
I can't, you know what I
mean if if the audio levels aren't consistent.

2020
02:27:31,319 --> 02:27:33,600
Totally, I totally understand. I've
had moments, you know, in

2021
02:27:33,639 --> 02:27:35,840
my life where I bought a new
TV and for some reason, you know,

2022
02:27:35,879 --> 02:27:37,879
you know, TVs can emphasize sound
differently. Yes, it's such a

2023
02:27:37,959 --> 02:27:43,799
fucking nightmare, it really is.
I've become accustomed to processing what's working and

2024
02:27:43,879 --> 02:27:46,600
not in wrestling based on like how
a TV presents sound to me, and

2025
02:27:46,639 --> 02:27:50,479
then when they switch it out.
But what's missing here? Rely, it's

2026
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:54,040
this really a cold show? Like
what's going on here? Their dish mee

2027
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:56,799
TV is optimized for wrestling crowd noise. Honestly, I know they really should.

2028
02:27:58,159 --> 02:28:01,159
They really should. So I don't
know one cares, but that you

2029
02:28:01,239 --> 02:28:05,799
really should gets the one two off
The Fisherman's suplex seemed like a very good

2030
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:09,680
near fall and This is where let's
go Angle, and let's go Bobby Chance

2031
02:28:09,799 --> 02:28:13,120
kind of start alternating. Angle picks
the ankle again, roll forward cradle one

2032
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:18,239
two and backup angle slam. No
No. As he goes to angle slam,

2033
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:22,079
Bobby counters with that luch best counter
in the world does to the angle

2034
02:28:22,120 --> 02:28:26,760
slam. Angle then charges to try
to close the distance, runs into a

2035
02:28:26,840 --> 02:28:31,440
back elbow from Bobby Root. Another
blockbuster neckbreaker, and then he pulls Kern.

2036
02:28:31,440 --> 02:28:35,440
Angle does pulls Hebner in front of
him, and when Hebner breaks free

2037
02:28:35,479 --> 02:28:39,719
and is distracted, Kern Angle kits
Bobby Root squarely in the nuts. Of

2038
02:28:39,840 --> 02:28:43,159
course you do. You got to
do that, and then he angle slams

2039
02:28:43,239 --> 02:28:46,520
him and you think that's it.
One two not enough. No, Bobby

2040
02:28:46,600 --> 02:28:50,200
kicks out Angle with the German suplex. Root explodes out of another attempt with

2041
02:28:50,239 --> 02:28:54,639
a cross faces cranking cranking close up
shot shows Angle's head not held tightly at

2042
02:28:54,680 --> 02:28:58,159
all, though it's moving around in
those arms anyway. He gets to the

2043
02:28:58,239 --> 02:29:01,840
rope nice Angle that you know.
It's cool because what they do is they

2044
02:29:01,920 --> 02:29:05,399
have Rude's forearm in the crossface blind
Kurt Angle, so he's actually reaching around

2045
02:29:05,399 --> 02:29:09,440
as if in the dark. Yes, it's a it's a it's a good

2046
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:11,120
moment, doesn't he doesn't touch the
rope. His hand just ends up under

2047
02:29:11,159 --> 02:29:15,600
the rope, and they talk about
breaking the plane and mark out over the

2048
02:29:15,639 --> 02:29:18,799
opportunity to use that phrase in a
pro wrestling match. And finally, um,

2049
02:29:20,280 --> 02:29:22,200
you know, of course Tene chucks
that up to Angle, knowing the

2050
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:26,399
ring so well. Corner corner,
hars, ship is reversed. Rude fires

2051
02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:28,079
out of the corner if you're hitting
the buckle and is going to charge an

2052
02:29:28,079 --> 02:29:31,760
Angle. But Angle spears, I
repeat, Kurt angle with the spear.

2053
02:29:33,239 --> 02:29:35,719
I mean, okay, where what
the fuck aren't you ever seen Kurt angle

2054
02:29:35,799 --> 02:29:43,360
spear before? That's good for two
and it's just insane. We're just keep

2055
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:45,840
just doing it, pulling out all
the ship. Well, why don't we

2056
02:29:45,879 --> 02:29:46,680
do one? Why don't I do
one better? If I can't walk and

2057
02:29:46,799 --> 02:29:50,440
have a torn hammy, why don't
I jump off the top rope and land

2058
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:52,520
on my feet? Because that's exactly
what Kurt Angle does here. He jumps,

2059
02:29:52,719 --> 02:29:54,680
he comes off the top, he
lands on his feet, and Rude

2060
02:29:54,680 --> 02:29:58,600
immediately pulled him down into another cross
face. And this feels like the finish.

2061
02:29:58,840 --> 02:30:01,000
He's correct, you're acting this fucking
guy like, you know, like

2062
02:30:01,159 --> 02:30:07,360
he like he understands what pain is. He doesn't exactly cranking. He's cranking.

2063
02:30:07,399 --> 02:30:11,920
Then Angle rolls through back up angle
slam, no go behind by Bobby

2064
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:16,479
Rude, Fisherman suplex attempt No,
Angle lands on his feet and scores within

2065
02:30:16,520 --> 02:30:22,639
another Olympic slam. Yes it's one, it's two, and it's three.

2066
02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:26,319
Mm oh god, what a weird
count man. Yeah. Even Brian Heber

2067
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:28,920
couldn't believe it was the finish because
he held up between two and three.

2068
02:30:30,719 --> 02:30:33,639
He did. It was really awkward, like a ref would do if he

2069
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:37,239
doesn't think it's the actual finish.
Right. I don't know. Maybe it's

2070
02:30:37,239 --> 02:30:41,159
Hogan Nick Patrick subtriviewze here, but
whatever it is, Kurt grabs the middle

2071
02:30:41,239 --> 02:30:43,959
rope and the refere he doesn't even
see it for leverage. And further,

2072
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:46,639
Bobby Rude's arm is clearly under the
bottom rope and Brian Hebner doesn't stall as

2073
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:54,840
well. Dude, brother, what
I mean? I can only thank Brian

2074
02:30:54,920 --> 02:30:58,040
Hebner hesitated to slap three because it
was so ludicrous that the match was ending

2075
02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:01,760
up this way. That is,
I agree his brain couldn't possibly process this

2076
02:31:01,879 --> 02:31:09,360
being the finish. Yeah, Kurt
Angele retains the Teenage World Heavyweight Championship,

2077
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:13,959
defeating Bobby rud in the main event
of Bound for Glory twenty eleven. Crowd's

2078
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:18,159
like, okay, so much for
caring. I know some reason Hebner doesn't

2079
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:20,440
acts with his arms. I don't
know what that was supposed to be about.

2080
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:24,120
And the replay shows Rude's arm clearly
under the rope. It hedn't blowing

2081
02:31:24,159 --> 02:31:28,920
the count. Rude just sits there, just like Cody Rhodes at WrestleMania this

2082
02:31:28,079 --> 02:31:33,079
year. Just a bitch, right
exactly because you can say all you want

2083
02:31:33,159 --> 02:31:37,159
and we'll get to it about how
the guy eventually win the title, and

2084
02:31:37,239 --> 02:31:39,879
let this be instructive about Cody Rhodes
this year as well. It doesn't matter

2085
02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:43,159
a bus, it doesn't matter he
didn't get it back anyway. It's the

2086
02:31:43,159 --> 02:31:46,799
beginning of a story now, No, it's it's a matter of when.

2087
02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:50,920
It's a matter about the timing all
of it. You can't you can't fucking

2088
02:31:52,399 --> 02:31:56,479
sit there and act like it doesn't
matter, as it absolutely does. You

2089
02:31:56,639 --> 02:32:03,520
see the wrestler as a loser for
the first time in such ship stark way,

2090
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:09,040
and that is it takes years to
wear that off. And from then

2091
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,559
on, that's all he is is
a loser. And for the company to

2092
02:32:11,639 --> 02:32:15,360
pretend that they don't know that,
for Trip lh to go in the press

2093
02:32:15,399 --> 02:32:18,799
conference after WrestleManias, you know,
intent his fingers on the table and go

2094
02:32:18,920 --> 02:32:22,200
get story. Guess shut the fuck
up, Trips. You know what the

2095
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:24,840
thing did? You know? What
the right thing to do was guess what?

2096
02:32:26,079 --> 02:32:33,280
Cody Rhodes is a loser? Done
done in that you allowed yourself to

2097
02:32:33,399 --> 02:32:37,559
see him as potentially reaching a certain
level and gaining a certain stature. And

2098
02:32:37,719 --> 02:32:39,879
now you're left to think, what
the fuck did I ever see him at

2099
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:41,479
that level? For? And now? And now what you can do.

2100
02:32:41,639 --> 02:32:46,479
The next thing you can do,
and please do a bus is get him

2101
02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:50,280
an apartment with fucking Lex Luger.
Thank you, that's what he is.

2102
02:32:50,520 --> 02:32:56,600
Thank you? All right, Bobby
Rude, Lex Luger, Bobby Rude,

2103
02:32:56,840 --> 02:33:00,280
meet Lex Luger, and here's your
other room. Inate Cody Rhodes, Yes,

2104
02:33:01,799 --> 02:33:07,879
accept it, breathe it in and
then understand that this is where you

2105
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:20,559
belong. Thank you, fuckers,
idiots, losers From the Observer Nearly six

2106
02:33:20,639 --> 02:33:24,120
months back, TENA made the basic
plans for the Bound for Glory pay per

2107
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:28,879
view. Sting was going to beat
Hulk Coogan to give Dixie Carter back control

2108
02:33:28,920 --> 02:33:31,079
of the company. Hogan was then
going to turn face and become the old

2109
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:35,959
Hulk Coogan and feud with Eric Bischoff. Bobby Rude was going to win the

2110
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:39,600
Bound for Glory Series tournament to give
him momentum and then beat Kern Angel to

2111
02:33:39,639 --> 02:33:41,440
win the TNA heavyweight title, and
Velvet Sky was going to go on a

2112
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:46,840
quest for the Knockouts title that she
had never won and win it. Almost

2113
02:33:46,879 --> 02:33:50,680
everything happened his planned from the start. This is such a mean thing to

2114
02:33:50,760 --> 02:34:01,040
say, and I mean, I
do mean it invies it does. Was

2115
02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:05,799
Velvet Sky ever a porn star?
No, because she looks like a porn

2116
02:34:05,879 --> 02:34:09,159
star, know what you mean.
She can tell she came from like the

2117
02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:15,040
thin eyebrows late nineties kind of like
yeah, she she has like um,

2118
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:20,239
she she kind of has the look
of the Valets and XPW who who did

2119
02:34:20,280 --> 02:34:26,120
porn as well. And I don't
mean to be derogatory and saying that she's

2120
02:34:26,159 --> 02:34:30,879
like a certain esthetic, a certain
combination of like color of makeup and and

2121
02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:35,239
like her the way she has those
those cleavage, those streaks and her tits,

2122
02:34:35,399 --> 02:34:37,319
like the whole thing, like they're
there are a lot of it.

2123
02:34:37,360 --> 02:34:41,040
I'm like sitting there like I feel
like she's a porn star. Yeah,

2124
02:34:41,239 --> 02:34:43,559
that that's kind of kind of what
they were after. Maybe I don't know,

2125
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:46,399
maybe when Russa was write and forget
about it. I mean, every

2126
02:34:46,520 --> 02:34:50,280
every woman's a porn staring I know, right, everyone every woman is a

2127
02:34:50,319 --> 02:34:54,120
slut and a woman. You know, no woman had can actually be respectable,

2128
02:34:54,280 --> 02:34:58,079
not really, no, because you
know, every woman uses sex to

2129
02:34:58,120 --> 02:35:01,000
get what they want, right,
and every woman because because every woman who

2130
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:07,399
ever said no yes to fucking Vince
Russo was going to get theirs. That's

2131
02:35:07,479 --> 02:35:11,559
the that's the read. It's been
out there for years. Build that case.

2132
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:18,000
So, as Meltzer wrote, almost
everything happened is planned from the start,

2133
02:35:18,079 --> 02:35:24,239
with one very notable exception. MM
are you ready? Oh boy,

2134
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:28,280
please tell me? Please please please
please please please please. Hulk Hogan at

2135
02:35:28,280 --> 02:35:31,840
the last minute came in and decided
against Rude winning the title TNH. The

2136
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:35,479
original plan was for Rude to win
the title and built to a Rude versus

2137
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,520
James Storm program down the line.
Instead, Curt Angle pin Rude in a

2138
02:35:37,559 --> 02:35:41,639
flat finish holding the ropes, and
two days later Storm pinned the injured Angle

2139
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,479
in a minute at the Impact tapings
in Orlando to take the title. Well,

2140
02:35:43,559 --> 02:35:46,440
nothing was overt was done. They
are still headed in the same direction.

2141
02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:56,159
So what okay is there? Please? I know that there's not going

2142
02:35:56,239 --> 02:36:00,639
to be, but is there any
kind of explanation, like a journey kind

2143
02:36:00,680 --> 02:36:05,520
of furthering of this or what.
It was noted regarding the decision making that

2144
02:36:05,639 --> 02:36:09,920
going with Angele over Rude was purely
a Hogan call, and it was noted,

2145
02:36:09,959 --> 02:36:13,440
no matter what why, is in
what position and what has said publicly

2146
02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:16,559
about Bruce Prichard, Vince Russou or
even Dixie Carter, that the major decisions

2147
02:36:16,559 --> 02:36:20,479
are all Hogan and Eric Bischoff on
this one. When Hogan made the call,

2148
02:36:20,600 --> 02:36:22,840
even the most almost nobody agreed with
it. That key people didn't even

2149
02:36:22,920 --> 02:36:26,920
try to put up a fight.
There was a lot of unhappiness among the

2150
02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:28,959
wrestlers because Rude was seen as an
original with TNA, and it was felt

2151
02:36:28,959 --> 02:36:31,600
the TV had given him some momentum
for a launch point of something different.

2152
02:36:31,959 --> 02:36:35,319
But even if he won, there
would be nothing different, but a lot

2153
02:36:35,319 --> 02:36:37,959
of unhappiness was more based on it
being done at the last minute and perhaps

2154
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:41,760
the reasons or lack of reasons why, particularly because the word was that Hogan

2155
02:36:41,799 --> 02:36:48,280
said he felt Rude wasn't the right
guy. Hogan had done a radio interview

2156
02:36:48,760 --> 02:36:52,760
a few days earlier outright saying Rude
wasn't the guy. I'll give you a

2157
02:36:52,799 --> 02:36:56,280
guess what shot that was on?
Boss, wasn't that was gonna be?

2158
02:36:58,399 --> 02:37:20,840
How excellent? Let's go instead of
playing Bubba the love Sponge. Let's play

2159
02:37:20,840 --> 02:37:26,399
Bubba Love Sponge is translated in Hindi. It's a great athlete in the NJ

2160
02:37:26,520 --> 02:37:28,319
styles who was popular among the wrestlers
because he's hard working, was given a

2161
02:37:28,399 --> 02:37:31,719
chance and nobody reacted or cared while
pushing Jeff Hardy as a guy who has

2162
02:37:31,719 --> 02:37:37,520
it and also wrestling doesn't matter,
dude. So thanks to the Observer,

2163
02:37:37,719 --> 02:37:43,799
he's got the exact quote from Hogan
when he went on the Bubba Show ahead

2164
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:48,079
of Bound for Glory and said,
boys, and I'm sure he's working,

2165
02:37:48,159 --> 02:37:56,799
oh boy. Hogan was on Serious
Radio before the pay per view and down

2166
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:01,000
the idea of Bobby Rood is the
top guy. Now, I'm not Bruno.

2167
02:38:01,079 --> 02:38:01,959
Brother, He's not ready, dude. He's not the next guy.

2168
02:38:03,479 --> 02:38:05,000
You know, they might think he
is, or Dixie Carter might think he

2169
02:38:05,159 --> 02:38:09,479
is. The whole world might think
he is. He's just not the next

2170
02:38:09,520 --> 02:38:13,760
guy. If I had to betting
money anybody, and really be serious about

2171
02:38:13,840 --> 02:38:18,559
betting money anybody, I'd say Jeff
Hardy is the next guy. Kept Terry

2172
02:38:18,719 --> 02:38:24,200
Jesus christ Man. This is much
more than being a wrestler. This is

2173
02:38:24,360 --> 02:38:28,559
crossing barriers. You know, media's
media barriers and entertainment barriers of all kind.

2174
02:38:28,959 --> 02:38:33,479
You're getting your character down verbally has
ninety percent to do with getting over.

2175
02:38:35,799 --> 02:38:37,479
He was more positive on James Storm, saying, you know, I'd

2176
02:38:37,479 --> 02:38:43,040
go with James Storm all day long. You know, mainstream brother, cowboy

2177
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,639
hat, beer drinking, Middle America, Nascar, Walmart, Country Western,

2178
02:38:46,719 --> 02:38:50,520
I mean, all day long.
It's a no brainer. You know,

2179
02:38:50,600 --> 02:38:54,040
Bobby Rood's a tremendous athlete. I
could you know I would change. I'd

2180
02:38:54,079 --> 02:38:58,920
built him from Venice Beach, California, or Omahana, Braska instead of Canada.

2181
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:03,799
I love him to death. He
said he thinks Rude would be a

2182
02:39:03,879 --> 02:39:07,719
great heel, but he'd choose Storm
over Rude. Regarding aj Styles, he

2183
02:39:07,799 --> 02:39:09,559
said, they pushed him really hard
and they thought it would get him over,

2184
02:39:09,719 --> 02:39:13,360
and you know, nobody responded to
it, so I don't know.

2185
02:39:13,479 --> 02:39:16,040
At this point, Styles would go
on to write frustration setting in when your

2186
02:39:16,079 --> 02:39:20,000
own guys bury the company that you
have worked so hard for. Brother,

2187
02:39:20,120 --> 02:39:24,479
So it's going well, Brother,
the decision was well received, and what

2188
02:39:24,799 --> 02:39:30,920
a fucking douche. Hogan puts his
thumb on the scale. Well, brother,

2189
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,360
you know I got my I got, I got, you know,

2190
02:39:33,239 --> 02:39:39,399
my thumb on the pulse, Brother, pulse of reality? Dude, where

2191
02:39:39,440 --> 02:39:43,680
we're going, brother, what we're
doing? Who we are? I think

2192
02:39:43,719 --> 02:39:48,959
the new sting isn't tan that that
James story. I guess Bobby Rude doesn't

2193
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:56,159
remind Hull Cogan of a lega store. I think when I think Bobby Rude,

2194
02:39:56,159 --> 02:39:58,239
I think Walmart. When I think, what the fuck is this guy

2195
02:39:58,319 --> 02:40:00,840
talking about? Brother? You know, I think there's the thing, dude.

2196
02:40:00,840 --> 02:40:03,079
I think you know that Middle America? Brother? You know, where

2197
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:07,319
are we going? Dude? Who's
it about? Brother's the deal? You

2198
02:40:07,399 --> 02:40:09,360
know? I think, Brother?
I think James story and the cowboy hat

2199
02:40:09,360 --> 02:40:13,319
beer drinking Middle America NASCAR Walmart,
you know, And I look at Bobby

2200
02:40:13,399 --> 02:40:18,360
rude brother, and all I can
think is Tim Horton's brother. All I

2201
02:40:18,440 --> 02:40:22,360
think about, dude when I see
him, Dude, is is is Canada?

2202
02:40:22,200 --> 02:40:26,440
That's not money and Brother, I
can't get behind Canada. No one

2203
02:40:26,520 --> 02:40:31,000
made more money in Canada than Hulkogan
is a wrestler. I just can't get

2204
02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:35,200
behind Canada. Brother, Canada can
get behind you. Isn't that funny what

2205
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:39,920
Terry shows you at the building and
ships on three months of storytelling. I'm

2206
02:40:39,959 --> 02:40:43,559
not digging creative, dude, but
it's not your match, brother. I'm

2207
02:40:43,559 --> 02:40:46,559
just telling you, brother, I've
been thinking about a long and hard dude.

2208
02:40:48,200 --> 02:40:52,760
You know, last couple of weeks. Man, I'm thinking about you

2209
02:40:52,840 --> 02:40:54,840
know, where are we going with
his TNA brother? You know, kind

2210
02:40:54,879 --> 02:40:58,840
of what's the endgame? Dude?
You know where are we headed? Brother?

2211
02:40:58,159 --> 02:41:01,280
Who's that guy? Dude? And
I just don't know. I just

2212
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:05,120
I'm not I don't think it's a
right. I think, you know,

2213
02:41:05,159 --> 02:41:07,479
if we pull the trigger too soon
on somebody, it can kill somebody.

2214
02:41:07,559 --> 02:41:13,120
Brother, he actually kills somebody's career
if we don't do it at the exact

2215
02:41:13,239 --> 02:41:18,360
right moment. I just don't think
it's his time. Brother. You pictured

2216
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:26,680
him in the production meeting the day
about glory. M oh everyone and everyone's

2217
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:30,959
standing around the table sitting there.
No one says shit, Alight, let's

2218
02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:35,559
go over to the finish of the
main event. Brother, got like Mike

2219
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:43,399
tay Mere staying, Dude, who's
going over? We're gonna go with Sting

2220
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:50,479
Terry. Yeah, that's that's been
the plan. Mm hmmm hm. Well,

2221
02:41:50,520 --> 02:41:56,200
if the Hill goes over Brother in
the semi main, Dude, then

2222
02:41:56,239 --> 02:41:58,319
we're gonna have a baby face go
over in the main event. Brother,

2223
02:41:58,360 --> 02:42:03,680
and that's Curry Angle. Excuse me, well, Kurt Angle is a baby

2224
02:42:03,719 --> 02:42:07,520
faced dude. No, Brother,
you gotta look at it from you know,

2225
02:42:07,639 --> 02:42:11,000
you can't just look at it from
a wrestling level, Dude, that

2226
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:15,760
kind of like that superficial wrestling level. You got to look at it as

2227
02:42:15,799 --> 02:42:18,799
a deeper you know, what's kind
of a what's the actual story being told?

2228
02:42:20,520 --> 02:42:22,959
You know, because we're not really
telling the story between Kurt Angle and

2229
02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:28,799
Bobby Rude over the TNA Championship.
Brother, that's not the story we're telling.

2230
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:31,719
The story we're telling, Brother,
is if you look at it,

2231
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:37,319
dude, we're telling the story about
America versus Canada. Brother, Uh,

2232
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:43,840
we are, Well, you got
Bobby Rude, the Canadian brother against Kurt

2233
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:50,440
Angle, American Olympian, and it
just doesn't make sense, brother, to

2234
02:42:50,600 --> 02:42:58,959
have a non Olympic Canadian beat an
Olympic American. Brother. I'm sick of

2235
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:07,239
these non Olympic Canadians in this business. Where's Ben Johnson. I just don't

2236
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:13,639
think that the fans are gonna buy
it, brother, I'm not gonna buy

2237
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:16,879
it, dude. Yeah, neither
of the fucking neither is the public.

2238
02:43:18,719 --> 02:43:22,200
I don't buy it. Buy this
pay per view anyway. I can't believe

2239
02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:28,200
this happened. So let's get into
it. Vince Russo several years after this

2240
02:43:28,280 --> 02:43:30,680
all happened, and while Rude was, you know, in TNA, but

2241
02:43:30,760 --> 02:43:35,000
under a new regime, had Bobby
Rude on his podcast and thank god,

2242
02:43:35,079 --> 02:43:37,920
Russo was going to get to the
bottom of it all. Well. Interestingly,

2243
02:43:39,079 --> 02:43:41,600
he's in a pretty good position to
do so because he's still involved in

2244
02:43:41,639 --> 02:43:43,760
the creative process. He has yet
to be totally iced. That would happen

2245
02:43:43,799 --> 02:43:50,159
around the beginning of the year January, and he's clearly been demoted and subjugated

2246
02:43:50,159 --> 02:43:52,840
to Bruce Pritchard that has happened.
I think that whole blow up has already

2247
02:43:52,840 --> 02:43:56,040
taken place, and took place in
October. Maybe it was slightly after Bound

2248
02:43:56,079 --> 02:43:58,719
for Glory, but it's around this
time. But Russo is still in a

2249
02:43:58,760 --> 02:44:01,399
position of, you know, writing
the show and forwarding his own direction and

2250
02:44:01,920 --> 02:44:07,399
subject to veto by people above him, of course, and Richard was suddenly

2251
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:09,360
just one more voice above him that
could sort of xnay whatever he said and

2252
02:44:09,479 --> 02:44:15,000
redline everything. But it is interesting
because Russo can frame up this discussion with

2253
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:16,799
Bobby Rude years later as I was
on your side, Brow and I think

2254
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:20,920
he was because he wrote all the
television that built this thing up, and

2255
02:44:20,079 --> 02:44:24,920
clearly there was there was a nod
across the TNA organization to push Rude this

2256
02:44:24,959 --> 02:44:28,879
strongly and put him into this position
and produce that video that got him over

2257
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:31,520
so much and puts it a spotlight
on him as a family man and all

2258
02:44:31,559 --> 02:44:35,680
that shit that people still talk about
now. I want to apologize. This

2259
02:44:35,879 --> 02:44:39,079
is, yes, a four minute
question from Vince Russo to Bobby Rude,

2260
02:44:39,079 --> 02:44:43,600
as he's want to do, but
it also contains a lot of information.

2261
02:44:43,879 --> 02:44:46,719
In the preface to the question about
where Vince Russo sat, where Matt Conway

2262
02:44:46,799 --> 02:44:50,799
the other teenade writers sat, and
the build up to this thing and how

2263
02:44:50,840 --> 02:44:56,799
they observed slowly the whole plan change
from Rude getting his coronation to Rude counting

2264
02:44:56,840 --> 02:45:00,360
the lights. It bound for Glory, Boss hit Russo, BFG wanted to

2265
02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:05,280
get us started bound for Glory.
Two thousand and eleven. Okay, now,

2266
02:45:05,399 --> 02:45:11,120
Bobby, you know, myself and
Matt Conway were doing the writing.

2267
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:20,520
The story was written and the pieces
were put in place. That October sixteenth,

2268
02:45:20,680 --> 02:45:24,680
two thousand and eleven, Bobby Roode
is going to become the first time

2269
02:45:26,959 --> 02:45:31,879
the t and a world heavyweight champion. We interviewed the family for a reason

2270
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:35,719
because Bobby was going to be a
baby face. He was going to be

2271
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:39,959
the baby face champion. Now keep
in mind, this wasn't a decision that

2272
02:45:41,159 --> 02:45:45,319
was just made. This was a
decision that was made months prior. The

2273
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:50,680
pieces were put into place. We
told the story everything that we wanted to

2274
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:54,239
do. The night before. You
know, me and Conway sit down with

2275
02:45:54,440 --> 02:46:01,920
Bobby and Bro. I think we're
as excited as you are because this Bro,

2276
02:46:01,319 --> 02:46:05,159
Listen, when you're a writer,
and even though Bro the belt,

2277
02:46:05,360 --> 02:46:09,719
you know, nobody wins it and
nobody loses it, But when when it

2278
02:46:09,920 --> 02:46:18,040
finally finds its way to somebody that's
so deserving and worked so hard, that

2279
02:46:18,399 --> 02:46:24,280
means a lot to the writer,
because the writer knows it means a lot

2280
02:46:24,440 --> 02:46:28,719
to the performer. So I think
Matt and I were just as excited as

2281
02:46:28,799 --> 02:46:31,639
you are. I mean, no
question, it couldn't have happened to a

2282
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:35,719
nicer guy. And we couldn't wait. We couldn't wait for it to happen,

2283
02:46:35,879 --> 02:46:37,440
you know. So, Bro,
you know, we go into the

2284
02:46:37,559 --> 02:46:43,079
production meeting the day of Bound for
Glory, and right before our very eyes,

2285
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:50,000
you know, me and Matt are
watching the changing of the finish,

2286
02:46:50,719 --> 02:46:54,360
and Matt and I are looking at
each other like, You've got to be

2287
02:46:54,760 --> 02:47:00,600
effing kidding me, And you know, I'm I'm trying to I'm in bro,

2288
02:47:00,920 --> 02:47:05,719
but I mean I'm not. I'm
just going to say this part of

2289
02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:09,799
it, Okay. When you have
the right people, it's not too difficult

2290
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:16,559
to convince Dixie Carter of something.
So once it got to the level of

2291
02:47:16,840 --> 02:47:24,639
Dixie being convinced that this other way
was better, at that point it becomes

2292
02:47:24,680 --> 02:47:28,239
a losing battle. So like at
that point, there's nothing more you can

2293
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:33,479
say. There's nothing more you can
do now after all these months of planning,

2294
02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:37,799
now the finish is going to be
changed. And you know what,

2295
02:47:37,959 --> 02:47:43,399
Bro, at that point, all
I care about is my friend Bobby Rude,

2296
02:47:43,840 --> 02:47:48,520
who freaking earn this, you know, over years earn this with work

2297
02:47:48,639 --> 02:47:54,399
ethic and the way you carried yourself
and being a company guy in you know.

2298
02:47:54,520 --> 02:47:56,159
So now I have to go,
you know, we have to go,

2299
02:47:56,280 --> 02:47:58,639
and we have to tell Bobby.
And like I, you know,

2300
02:48:00,239 --> 02:48:03,079
I hated it, Bro, I
hated everything about it. I don't agree

2301
02:48:03,159 --> 02:48:07,719
with the decision this day. I
feel you would have went on a different

2302
02:48:07,799 --> 02:48:11,639
path if it never went down.
But listen, Bobby, I have to

2303
02:48:11,799 --> 02:48:18,399
ask you, as much of a
prose pro as you are, I saw

2304
02:48:18,559 --> 02:48:26,040
that same set of circumstances Bobby happened
to somebody else, and when that happened,

2305
02:48:26,639 --> 02:48:35,000
that incident put them on a Downwood
spiral. Fact I saw it happen.

2306
02:48:35,479 --> 02:48:39,559
Now we come to you, we
explain it to you. Bro.

2307
02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:43,520
Listen, there is a level of
disappointment. I mean, there's no doubt

2308
02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:48,639
about that. But like, even
at that point, Bobby, how were

2309
02:48:48,719 --> 02:48:54,879
you able to overcome that? And
rise above that because, like I said,

2310
02:48:54,920 --> 02:49:00,200
Bro, as the writer, I'm
pissed off that this isn't happening for

2311
02:49:00,319 --> 02:49:07,000
you. And no matter if you're
not selling or not inside, you gotta

2312
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:11,280
be extremely disappointed. How did you
work your way through that? What was

2313
02:49:11,360 --> 02:49:16,079
the process? Hell of a question, huh, I'll say, But it's

2314
02:49:16,079 --> 02:49:20,280
all there. I mean, like, yeah, just the way he describes,

2315
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:22,399
like sitting at the table and watching. Because you know, no one

2316
02:49:22,479 --> 02:49:26,000
smartened up ahead of time, except
that people that are on board with this

2317
02:49:26,079 --> 02:49:28,920
plan. You're not going to tell
people that might disagree until it's too late

2318
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:31,600
that this is the plan. This
is whole Cogan's m O, what always

2319
02:49:31,639 --> 02:49:35,120
has been. He shows up a
bash at the beach and he's not happy

2320
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:37,000
with the finish, but he doesn't
say anything about it to anybody until there's

2321
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:41,280
like three hours to go from a
show, and then all of a sudden,

2322
02:49:41,479 --> 02:49:45,000
it's like, we got to do
exactly what Hulk wants because we have

2323
02:49:46,840 --> 02:49:50,760
dude exactly correct. Hulk Cogan has
this reputation because he's earned it, not

2324
02:49:50,879 --> 02:49:56,079
because the observer has whatever against him. No, he has this reputation because

2325
02:49:56,319 --> 02:50:01,280
he's always do playing these fucking games
that's why I'm playing games Bowler. I'm

2326
02:50:01,840 --> 02:50:05,479
I'm simply trying to do what's best
for business. Polarly, what a home

2327
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:09,559
what a home Runner was to not
coronate Bobby. What a difference it made

2328
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:13,040
all positive? So what does Bobby
respond? Let's hit russo b f G

2329
02:50:13,159 --> 02:50:16,200
two. It was funny. I
mean I remember that time. I mean

2330
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:20,239
remember I actually remember, like it
was yesterday. Uh, like you said,

2331
02:50:20,319 --> 02:50:22,600
you said, I went down for
dinner and I was sitting by myself

2332
02:50:22,639 --> 02:50:26,840
and you Matt came over and,
uh, you know, just kind of

2333
02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:30,399
touch base with me and let me
know that things were good. And um,

2334
02:50:30,719 --> 02:50:31,559
so I went to bed that night, waking up the next morning,

2335
02:50:31,639 --> 02:50:37,040
got some some text from from some
family and some friends. UM, I

2336
02:50:37,079 --> 02:50:41,799
had a buddy of mine flying down
the Philly to to watch. UM got

2337
02:50:41,840 --> 02:50:45,920
through the arena. I was feeling
good, you know. So, like

2338
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:48,600
you said, the production meeting,
the agent's meeting, Uh, it starts

2339
02:50:48,639 --> 02:50:50,920
I think are probably around twelve and
one. We got to report to the

2340
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:54,520
building around twelve and one, so
normally it gets out. Usually pay per

2341
02:50:54,559 --> 02:50:58,520
views are pretty simple, if I'm
right, I mean it's pretty cut and

2342
02:50:58,639 --> 02:51:01,000
dry. You're in and out of
there, and at an hour everybody's in

2343
02:51:01,120 --> 02:51:05,719
catering getting ready for the show.
But that particular day was, you know,

2344
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:09,559
about two o'clock in the afternoon,
still nobody's out. Start walking up

2345
02:51:09,559 --> 02:51:13,120
and down the halls, go out
to the ringside area, hanging out there.

2346
02:51:13,600 --> 02:51:18,559
Now it's like two thirty quarter to
three, nobody's out of the meeting,

2347
02:51:18,319 --> 02:51:22,360
which is very unusual. So Frankie
and AJ come over to me.

2348
02:51:22,520 --> 02:51:26,440
We started, you know, just
shooting the breeze or whatever. They know

2349
02:51:26,520 --> 02:51:31,200
what's going to happen that night.
So we're talking and I turned to AJ

2350
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:37,559
and I said, it's three o'clock. You watch they're changing the finish.

2351
02:51:39,159 --> 02:51:41,959
Ten minutes later, deal Lebrown comes
up to me and says, Bruce wants

2352
02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:43,440
to talk to you in his office. And I knew right then it was

2353
02:51:43,479 --> 02:51:46,879
done. It was finished. Awesome, you know, they changed it.

2354
02:51:48,879 --> 02:51:52,360
You know, honestly, I don't
know if I was upset. I guess

2355
02:51:52,399 --> 02:51:56,559
that, you know, like you
said, the World championship, the title,

2356
02:51:56,639 --> 02:52:00,760
the belt, it's it's it is
what it is, you know.

2357
02:52:01,079 --> 02:52:05,159
I mean, it was my first
time I've ever you know, it was

2358
02:52:05,239 --> 02:52:07,920
such a build, you know,
it was a six month build really that

2359
02:52:07,000 --> 02:52:11,600
you put into it and we all
put into it, and then for it

2360
02:52:11,719 --> 02:52:16,920
to change in three hours. M
was pretty devastating. It was a shock

2361
02:52:16,079 --> 02:52:18,840
for sure. Um. And I
don't know if if it was you that

2362
02:52:20,040 --> 02:52:22,959
was more pissed off or it was
me, or if it was Kurt Angle

2363
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:26,239
that was pissed off. Kurt was
upset, you know, he didn't want

2364
02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:28,600
to do it, um, but
I don't know. It was just it's

2365
02:52:28,600 --> 02:52:31,920
one of those things. It's just
it's the way I am. It's just

2366
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:33,600
okay, this is how you want
to do it. Fine, I'm gonna

2367
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:37,079
go out there and I'm gonna have
a great match. And then if you

2368
02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:39,680
if you're telling me that a couple
of weeks down the road, this is

2369
02:52:39,799 --> 02:52:41,120
what we're going to do in this
direction that we're going to go into,

2370
02:52:41,719 --> 02:52:45,840
and I'll just take your word for
it, because obviously, you know,

2371
02:52:46,079 --> 02:52:50,079
things change like that in this business. So I'm not going to take anything

2372
02:52:50,120 --> 02:52:52,239
for granted. But I'm gonna go
out then I'm going to prove to you

2373
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:56,120
that I should be the world champion, and you know, and and see

2374
02:52:56,159 --> 02:52:58,399
where this goes. Honestly, it
was. It was. It was disappointing,

2375
02:52:58,479 --> 02:53:01,920
but when it was all said and
done, that night, I went

2376
02:53:01,959 --> 02:53:05,879
down and ate dinner. And it
wasn't like I was I was staying away

2377
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:07,879
from anybody or pissed off in anybody
in particular. It was just one of

2378
02:53:07,959 --> 02:53:13,600
those things that in this business,
it's so unpredictable. You used nothing,

2379
02:53:13,319 --> 02:53:18,280
nothing is for sure. Sounds like
a defeated man to me. Yep,

2380
02:53:18,760 --> 02:53:24,399
sounds like a guy who allowed himself
to care. Loser. How about it,

2381
02:53:26,399 --> 02:53:30,040
loser. He's all about like mentioning, like catering and dinner. In

2382
02:53:30,079 --> 02:53:33,440
his story, he said, noticed
that I went to dinner afterwards to tak

2383
02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:37,479
aren't most guys aren't most wrestlers about
dinner. Ate dinner? Okay, what

2384
02:53:37,559 --> 02:53:41,159
does that do that? Right?
Dinner? I ate dinner. I wasn't

2385
02:53:41,159 --> 02:53:46,399
planning on it. See that's a
surefire way. I wasn't devastated. I

2386
02:53:46,639 --> 02:53:48,879
ate dinner. I usually skipped dinner. See, Bobby, I didn't assume

2387
02:53:48,959 --> 02:53:52,799
that, like if you were actually
mad about the finish, you would fast

2388
02:53:52,920 --> 02:53:56,040
and go on a hunger strike essentially. But I mean if I did create,

2389
02:53:56,040 --> 02:53:58,600
If I did creative, I usually
don't eat. What do you hear

2390
02:53:58,600 --> 02:54:03,159
there about us? I hear a
guy who knows that his shot, that

2391
02:54:03,360 --> 02:54:11,239
his shot was blown. A guy
who knows that you have one opportunity.

2392
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:20,319
That's it, especially in the modern
business, in the modern business where TV

2393
02:54:20,559 --> 02:54:30,399
is everything and you can't go to
another city or another town too, you

2394
02:54:30,479 --> 02:54:35,680
know where they don't know what happened
previously, because we know everything all the

2395
02:54:35,799 --> 02:54:45,479
time. The moment it happens,
the moment you lose, you're done.

2396
02:54:45,799 --> 02:54:50,159
It's all about winning and losing,
baby, it is you can present Hogan

2397
02:54:50,280 --> 02:54:54,680
is some sort of like outmoded figure
because he's always so geared towards not losing

2398
02:54:54,799 --> 02:54:58,920
and that being the number one thing
he's obsessed with. And you can tell

2399
02:55:00,120 --> 02:55:03,440
yourself a story about how the business
is evolved to where you can be an

2400
02:55:03,479 --> 02:55:07,520
impact player and an important player without
being so concerned about whether you get your

2401
02:55:07,559 --> 02:55:11,079
hand raised or not. But you're
only a lying to yourself. That's right,

2402
02:55:11,079 --> 02:55:16,719
and you know it. And here's
the thing, you know, who

2403
02:55:16,879 --> 02:55:24,000
knows more than anybody in this scenario
that you only get one chance. The

2404
02:55:24,079 --> 02:55:26,920
people who made the decision to not
put over Bobby Root at Bound for Glory.

2405
02:55:26,479 --> 02:55:31,760
That's Robby Rude knows that he knows
that the people who are trying to

2406
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:35,559
tell him that it's going to work
out for the best for him. Knew

2407
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:39,079
full well what they took away from
him at Bound for Glory, knew the

2408
02:55:39,120 --> 02:55:43,760
harm it would do to his upside
and to his You know that there is

2409
02:55:43,840 --> 02:55:46,159
no other opportunity. It's over it
and you can hear that in the man's

2410
02:55:46,239 --> 02:55:50,920
voice. And he's too kind to
really go in on it. But of

2411
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:54,799
course he's a Canadian, you know, just a nice guy, you know,

2412
02:55:56,040 --> 02:56:01,680
just man. Guess what you were
screened? Not an asshole boring,

2413
02:56:01,879 --> 02:56:07,680
not a pain of boring. That's
not a pretty donas boring. You lose,

2414
02:56:07,760 --> 02:56:16,079
buddy, yourself lost, Go fuck
yourself, eat shit and leave.

2415
02:56:16,159 --> 02:56:20,760
Megan's never said anything about this.
I don't think he's ever been asked about

2416
02:56:20,799 --> 02:56:26,079
it. But um, well,
we can't get Hulk Cogan. You know

2417
02:56:26,079 --> 02:56:28,360
who we go to, right,
that's the proxy voice for the hulksterts Eric

2418
02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:31,319
Bischoff. Of course he is,
you know, he is the voice of

2419
02:56:31,399 --> 02:56:35,120
Hulk Hogan. And on the eighty
three Weeks podcast, Conrad read to Eric

2420
02:56:35,879 --> 02:56:41,399
the same Observer excerpt we read to
you regarding Hogan putting the Kai bosh on

2421
02:56:41,440 --> 02:56:46,680
the finish. Then come on.
Let's hit it. Bullshit, it's just

2422
02:56:46,760 --> 02:56:52,559
fucking melts, Eric, bfgo a
lot to unpack here. I know you're

2423
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:54,559
going to deny it, and it's
real fit, so let's do it.

2424
02:56:56,680 --> 02:56:58,879
Good for him. I hate to
disappoint you, but I can't even give

2425
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:05,840
of any of that the credibility of
a nano second of my thought or emotion.

2426
02:57:07,040 --> 02:57:09,719
This is ridiculous. So Hogan didn't
change the finish. Oh, that

2427
02:57:09,879 --> 02:57:16,959
might have had an opinion, But
Hogan not only did he not have the

2428
02:57:18,079 --> 02:57:22,399
authority or the influence, he had
no interest in having the authority or the

2429
02:57:22,520 --> 02:57:30,120
influence. This is so opposite of
reality. Now, could could he expressed

2430
02:57:30,159 --> 02:57:37,799
an opinion to Dixie or to somebody
else? Maybe? But that's all I

2431
02:57:37,879 --> 02:57:41,200
can say. I just as tired
as people are of hearing me go off

2432
02:57:41,239 --> 02:57:43,959
on David. I'm I'm just I'm
more tired of it than they are.

2433
02:57:46,600 --> 02:57:48,520
You sure, all right? Eric? Whatever you say, buddy, Wow,

2434
02:57:52,040 --> 02:57:54,639
okay, Um, he didn't have
that power. This is Eric's hole.

2435
02:57:54,719 --> 02:57:56,920
Like I didn't have that power.
I didn't want that power. That's

2436
02:57:56,959 --> 02:58:01,120
the whole thing, right, I
know. But he's putting it on Hogan.

2437
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:03,959
No, it's because you didn't have
it because you didn't want it doesn't

2438
02:58:03,959 --> 02:58:09,239
mean it didn't happen exactly. In
fact, it probably mayn't. Actually he

2439
02:58:09,360 --> 02:58:11,280
didn't actually say didn't happen either.
That's the thing about it. You know,

2440
02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:15,639
it's kind of like it's like Hogan
with the sixty million dollars, right.

2441
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:20,399
He never actually flat out denies that
Hogan didn't do it. He just

2442
02:58:20,479 --> 02:58:22,159
says Hogan didn't have the you know, Hogan didn't have the power. He

2443
02:58:22,159 --> 02:58:28,280
didn't want me. It's like,
right, exactly, he's saying Hogan wanted.

2444
02:58:28,680 --> 02:58:33,600
No, he never said that Hogan
didn't do it. He said he

2445
02:58:33,799 --> 02:58:37,520
is. He's being a lawyer.
He's you know, I thought, I

2446
02:58:37,559 --> 02:58:39,440
guess he hung out with Scott Hervey
a lot more than Jason Hervey when it

2447
02:58:39,479 --> 02:58:43,040
all came right down to it.
You know, he's like, well,

2448
02:58:43,079 --> 02:58:48,760
if Hogan didn't have the power on
a piece of paper somewhere to determine who

2449
02:58:48,799 --> 02:58:54,000
won the Down for Glory main event, then him expressing to everybody that Rude

2450
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:58,079
shouldn't win and changing everybody's mind who
does have that authority isn't the same thing

2451
02:58:58,159 --> 02:59:01,440
as changing the finish right, Exactly, no difference. He didn't want that

2452
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:07,399
power. He didn't have the party
didn't want that power. I wouldn't want

2453
02:59:07,399 --> 02:59:09,680
the power either, when history reflects
so poorly in my decision making, that's

2454
02:59:09,719 --> 02:59:13,159
for sure. Nobody wants that power. To take that power. When it

2455
02:59:13,239 --> 02:59:16,719
turns out great, I'll take the
power if I can blame somebody else.

2456
02:59:16,719 --> 02:59:20,399
I'll have nothing to do with the
power if it turns out badly. I

2457
02:59:20,440 --> 02:59:24,239
mean, what the fuck? Did
you have an opinion? Look, okay,

2458
02:59:24,399 --> 02:59:26,799
that's the same thing, Oh,
an opinion? You know, I

2459
02:59:26,840 --> 02:59:30,200
mean we all have opinion. Name
one thing hul Coogan wanted to see happen

2460
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:33,920
in TNA. That didn't. Name
one thing that Hulkogan didn't want to see

2461
02:59:33,959 --> 02:59:39,520
happen in TNA. That did.
He ran the company. He ran the

2462
02:59:39,559 --> 02:59:43,719
company. It was his little plate
ground company. I mean we you know,

2463
02:59:43,799 --> 02:59:46,840
we we we had to answer to
Spike. Okay, I'm sure Spike.

2464
02:59:46,159 --> 02:59:50,159
I mean there was a whole you
know, I have to go to

2465
02:59:50,200 --> 02:59:52,120
the mat with Hull Coogan or whether
Bobby Rude won the bound for Glory may

2466
02:59:52,159 --> 02:59:56,159
have entry. We had a whole. There was a whole hierarchy, a

2467
02:59:56,200 --> 03:00:03,719
whole system about where things stop.
Addiction Parter I'm you know, the buck

2468
03:00:03,799 --> 03:00:09,479
stops where the buck stops. It
doesn't didn't answer the question, and he

2469
03:00:09,600 --> 03:00:11,600
just does the whole I mean that
cut it off, but he does the

2470
03:00:11,639 --> 03:00:15,920
whole meltzer thing again. It's like, dude, Like that's like a dog

2471
03:00:15,959 --> 03:00:18,440
whistle at this point, you know, a guy, wasn't there going to

2472
03:00:18,520 --> 03:00:22,680
like ten minutes about Dave and how
he has a grudge against Hogan to like

2473
03:00:24,079 --> 03:00:28,520
dance around the idea that you can't
quite deny that what was said is qualitatively

2474
03:00:28,600 --> 03:00:33,079
true, Like it's true in any
way that anybody would give a fuck.

2475
03:00:33,280 --> 03:00:37,319
Like no one is thinking about like
lawyers and like contracts and what exactly your

2476
03:00:37,399 --> 03:00:41,760
job duties are. No one fucking
is thinking about that. When they say

2477
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:46,040
that hull Cogan killed the finish of
this match, they're thinking, did the

2478
03:00:46,120 --> 03:00:48,920
actions hull Cogan take set in motion
a series of events that led to Bobby

2479
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:52,000
Route taking the fall? And the
answer is, yesh, So what's the

2480
03:00:52,040 --> 03:00:54,600
fucking problem here? I guess if
someone else reported, it'd be fine,

2481
03:00:54,680 --> 03:00:58,680
you know, but right, I
mean, what are you doing, Terry?

2482
03:01:00,120 --> 03:01:01,159
I mean, aren't you a little
old for this? You know what

2483
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:03,799
I mean? This is like a
fifty year old at that at the club,

2484
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:07,000
you know, like, what are
you one? Like? What are

2485
03:01:07,000 --> 03:01:09,280
you talking about? What do you
just play your role and and help this

2486
03:01:09,399 --> 03:01:13,879
company and just stay the fuck out
of the decisions as to who's like actually

2487
03:01:13,959 --> 03:01:18,280
carrying the load? What's the problem? The problem is you almost made a

2488
03:01:18,399 --> 03:01:24,079
star who and you couldn't You didn't
know what to do when you almost made

2489
03:01:24,079 --> 03:01:26,920
a star, you have a fucking
panic attack. What I'm not saying Bobby

2490
03:01:26,959 --> 03:01:31,000
Rudy let the world on fire?
Not gonna be saying he would have reversed

2491
03:01:31,000 --> 03:01:33,479
the company's fortune. Who's on fire? Dude? What are you saying?

2492
03:01:33,719 --> 03:01:35,399
Been a signal that when you guys
hit on something and try hard, that

2493
03:01:35,440 --> 03:01:41,479
you can actually deliver on it.
That the fans can expect that when you

2494
03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:43,840
tell them something's about to happen,
or that they should get invested in somebody

2495
03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:48,360
and it's not going to be well. Now, that means he can only

2496
03:01:48,399 --> 03:01:52,319
actually be the guy if he totally
turns on the fans and does a complete

2497
03:01:52,360 --> 03:02:00,840
one eighty who Bobby rude so Hey
book? He said it? Rick Rud's

2498
03:02:00,879 --> 03:02:05,479
dead, broke, dude. I
didn't want the power. I didn't have

2499
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:09,559
the power. I didn't want it
in the palm of your hand or you're

2500
03:02:09,559 --> 03:02:13,360
pointing with your index finger to the
palm, dude, I'm I'm I'm looking

2501
03:02:13,399 --> 03:02:15,760
at it. Brother. And I
said to myself, you know what,

2502
03:02:16,200 --> 03:02:20,600
you know, I had my opinion. Brother. You know, I understand

2503
03:02:20,680 --> 03:02:26,000
that people sometimes saying think that I
have this power, like I can control

2504
03:02:26,040 --> 03:02:28,719
of the people. But dude,
I don't play hide the ball, brot

2505
03:02:30,680 --> 03:02:33,479
or I dude, I don't play
ying yang. Brother. I mean,

2506
03:02:33,520 --> 03:02:35,799
I'm pretty straight and narrow, Dude, I'm all out getting things back on

2507
03:02:35,959 --> 03:02:43,239
track. And you know, dude, I just brother, I said some

2508
03:02:43,399 --> 03:02:46,399
things, dude, and and and
maybe people didn't like it. Brother,

2509
03:02:46,920 --> 03:02:50,280
I own up to that. You
know that was my decision, dude that

2510
03:02:50,319 --> 03:02:54,440
I made that I have those opinions, brother, but you know I didn't

2511
03:02:54,479 --> 03:02:56,440
have that power. I didn't want
that power. Brother, how many times

2512
03:02:56,479 --> 03:03:01,040
I can say it, I don't
I don't want that power. Well,

2513
03:03:01,159 --> 03:03:05,959
you know, it's unfortunate Brude is
too kind to name names. Russo I

2514
03:03:05,040 --> 03:03:07,559
cut that out of the clip,
but he had a preamble about how he's

2515
03:03:07,559 --> 03:03:09,840
not going to name names here.
Just didn't think it was worth it.

2516
03:03:09,920 --> 03:03:13,639
They're talking about Hulk again, of
course, but we're not going to get

2517
03:03:13,639 --> 03:03:16,719
anybody that was involved in this to
say that it was Hulkogan to change the

2518
03:03:16,760 --> 03:03:20,360
finish right beyond Dave and we can
you know, everyone can have their fun

2519
03:03:20,440 --> 03:03:24,879
with, you know, picking that
apart. No one involved that Wait a

2520
03:03:24,879 --> 03:03:28,639
minute, hit angle BFG Oh boy. Yes, I was expected to drop

2521
03:03:28,719 --> 03:03:31,719
the title of Bobby. They were
doing all these vignettes with Bobby and his

2522
03:03:31,879 --> 03:03:35,200
family, you know, talking about
how hard of a worker he was,

2523
03:03:35,319 --> 03:03:39,920
what a great family man he was, and it was all set up to

2524
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:43,719
drop the title to him. And
I don't know what happened. It wasn't

2525
03:03:43,799 --> 03:03:46,319
me. We're gonna be the first
one to admit I did not ask to

2526
03:03:46,440 --> 03:03:50,879
keep the title. As a matter
of fact, I was really injured.

2527
03:03:50,959 --> 03:03:54,920
I had a torn hamstring, not
a pulled hamstring, porn. It was

2528
03:03:54,959 --> 03:03:58,200
almost torn all the way in half. My whole leg was black all the

2529
03:03:58,239 --> 03:04:01,159
way down to the heel of my
what And I didn't even know if I

2530
03:04:01,239 --> 03:04:05,479
could wrestle at Bound for Glory and
for them to say, hey, you're

2531
03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:09,559
gonna They didn't tell me until the
day of the show at Bound for Glory

2532
03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:13,280
that I was going to retain the
title, and I was a little pissed

2533
03:04:13,280 --> 03:04:18,959
off because I didn't want to carry
the title any longer because of my injury.

2534
03:04:18,040 --> 03:04:22,920
I wanted to rest it up and
heal up and come back in perfect

2535
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:28,879
form. And unfortunately they decided against
Bobby getting the title, which was kind

2536
03:04:28,959 --> 03:04:33,120
of a downer from the pay per
view bound for Glory, especially us being

2537
03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:37,360
on last. It was a real
flat finish. You know, he was

2538
03:04:37,440 --> 03:04:41,479
expected to win the title and he
got it taken away from him. And

2539
03:04:41,040 --> 03:04:46,680
Hulk Hogan is the reason. Wow, there it is. He's lying,

2540
03:04:46,959 --> 03:04:52,280
brother. What look for me to
even dignify that with a response is laughable.

2541
03:04:52,799 --> 03:04:58,120
He has a vindet against Ugant.
Oh yeah, but Kurt Angle.

2542
03:05:00,239 --> 03:05:03,719
It's funny because Bischof's pod this is
before that's from Angles podcast it does with

2543
03:05:03,879 --> 03:05:07,559
Paul Bromwell, available at ad Free
shows a good show and uh it's before

2544
03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:11,040
Angel had done one. You can
hear Bischoff on on his pod say like,

2545
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:13,040
yeah, I don't know Bruce thought
or Kurt thought in other words,

2546
03:05:13,079 --> 03:05:18,040
like I need to triangulate my story
here because they may they may contradict me

2547
03:05:18,120 --> 03:05:22,959
one day. And it's happened,
I you know, And I like Kurt,

2548
03:05:22,440 --> 03:05:26,639
and nobody was there, and I
like these people exactly, and I

2549
03:05:26,760 --> 03:05:31,840
like Kurt Kurt. I respect Kurt. You know, Kurt is a great

2550
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:37,440
you know, he's one of the
great wrestlers of of of his generation.

2551
03:05:37,239 --> 03:05:41,719
He wasn't there, you know,
he wasn't in the room he wrestled the

2552
03:05:41,879 --> 03:05:48,600
matt He wasn't a Bound for Glory. You know, he shows up to

2553
03:05:48,719 --> 03:05:52,520
do his do his match, and
that's it. And yeah, we can

2554
03:05:52,600 --> 03:05:56,000
go back and forth on this forever. You know, there's always a he

2555
03:05:56,159 --> 03:06:03,959
said, she said, and you
know it's driving me nuts. Right.

2556
03:06:05,200 --> 03:06:09,319
We can point fingers all day,
you know, we can point fingers all

2557
03:06:09,399 --> 03:06:13,559
day. Meltzer wasn't there, Kurt
Angle wasn't there. It was an empty

2558
03:06:13,639 --> 03:06:16,360
home. Well, fuck this.
I got to get to the bottom of

2559
03:06:16,440 --> 03:06:24,680
this. Hello, brother, what
a question for you, mister hul Coogan.

2560
03:06:24,840 --> 03:06:28,959
Did you who who changed the finish
of Bound for Glory twenty eleven so

2561
03:06:30,040 --> 03:06:37,440
that Kurd Angle beat Bobby Rude?
And if so, why what's going on?

2562
03:06:37,639 --> 03:06:41,399
Dude? Simple question? Can you
answer it or no? I'll take

2563
03:06:41,479 --> 03:06:43,959
a non answer. I want to
tell you right now, dude, I

2564
03:06:43,959 --> 03:06:48,959
don't know who you are It's not
a simple question, dude. Yeah,

2565
03:06:48,959 --> 03:06:54,680
we're talking about a a layered question
with a lot of you know, complexity.

2566
03:06:54,760 --> 03:06:58,319
Brother, I don't think so who
are you talk what? Who are

2567
03:06:58,319 --> 03:07:03,120
you talking to them? Talking to
you? At least I thought so what

2568
03:07:03,920 --> 03:07:07,159
I'm brother, I'm out here,
Dude. Were you abound for Glory twenty

2569
03:07:07,239 --> 03:07:13,600
eleven? Uh? You know I
can't confirms sting you were there? I

2570
03:07:13,959 --> 03:07:16,559
dude, you know what? You
know? You could say that I was

2571
03:07:16,600 --> 03:07:20,760
there, Brother, Maybe I was
Maybe I wasn't lost. Brother. I'm

2572
03:07:20,760 --> 03:07:24,239
gonna tell you something, Dude,
I never I don't have the kind of

2573
03:07:24,319 --> 03:07:28,520
power to change finishes. Dude.
You know there's a committee, there's a

2574
03:07:28,719 --> 03:07:33,799
hierarchy, brother, and and to
be quite frank, I'm a little uncomfortable

2575
03:07:33,879 --> 03:07:39,159
with with your line of questioning.
Dude. Now that hierarchy granted, did

2576
03:07:39,239 --> 03:07:43,879
you did you basically convince that hierarchy
to have Bobby Rude lose the match?

2577
03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:46,840
And if so, what's the difference? No, Vince isn't a brother.

2578
03:07:46,920 --> 03:07:50,360
I wasn't working for Vince, Dude, I didn't convince no, excuse me,

2579
03:07:50,639 --> 03:07:58,079
um persuade. No, I didn't
pur anybody. Brother. Did you

2580
03:07:58,520 --> 03:08:01,280
tell people that you didn't think about
be rooted win the title A Bound for

2581
03:08:01,319 --> 03:08:05,680
Glory twenty eleven. No, Brother, what I said, dude was what

2582
03:08:05,799 --> 03:08:09,760
I said is that I don't know
if Bobby Roode is ready. Brother,

2583
03:08:09,079 --> 03:08:13,280
there's a difference, Dude, I
don't know. You don't know why it's

2584
03:08:13,319 --> 03:08:16,760
not ready. Brother, I have
opinions, Dude, I had opinions.

2585
03:08:18,600 --> 03:08:22,079
Opinions have changed. I told you, Brother, what I said was at

2586
03:08:22,120 --> 03:08:26,360
the time, Brother, I wasn't
sure if Bobby Rude was at the level

2587
03:08:26,440 --> 03:08:28,680
that he needed to be. Dude, But is that my decision to say,

2588
03:08:28,760 --> 03:08:31,879
no, you can't know, Brother, I didn't have power. You

2589
03:08:31,959 --> 03:08:37,239
can even go look at contracts,
Dude, I was not given the authority

2590
03:08:37,239 --> 03:08:41,639
to Brother. You're gonna have to
ask. You don't know had the authority

2591
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:46,040
somebody else, Dude. Brother,
I was there as a talent. I

2592
03:08:46,280 --> 03:08:50,399
was there, Brother as an occasional
entering performer. Brother, when the when

2593
03:08:50,479 --> 03:08:54,639
the when the time was correct due
to read on the proper thing, did

2594
03:08:54,680 --> 03:08:56,600
I wrestle I? Brother, I
never wrestled, Dude. I never wrestled

2595
03:08:56,600 --> 03:09:01,680
TNA Brothers A couple of times against
a bit with Abyss and Brother. I

2596
03:09:01,760 --> 03:09:05,719
was in a fight dude, big
difference, brother, So you didn't never

2597
03:09:05,799 --> 03:09:09,159
wrestle. You didn't what I didn't
see to persuade anybody in the in the

2598
03:09:09,200 --> 03:09:11,360
higher arty. Brother, I'm gonna
tell you, dude, I never sought

2599
03:09:11,440 --> 03:09:16,680
to persuade brother. The things that
I did, dude, were between me

2600
03:09:16,799 --> 03:09:20,479
and the company. Kurt Angles,
says Huk Cogan. Did it, Kurt

2601
03:09:20,520 --> 03:09:24,440
Angle, says Hulks. The reason
Bob lost, you know, and and

2602
03:09:24,719 --> 03:09:26,680
and you know, Kurt and I
have had kind of a you know,

2603
03:09:26,959 --> 03:09:30,280
colle with me and Macho. You
know, brother, we had a kind

2604
03:09:30,280 --> 03:09:35,680
of a love hate love hate relationship. Dude, I can't say exactly without

2605
03:09:35,719 --> 03:09:39,319
a shadow of a doubt, brother, what exactly happened with Kurt Angle.

2606
03:09:43,440 --> 03:09:48,600
So you're not you're not admitting that
you said in motion the changing of the

2607
03:09:48,639 --> 03:09:56,760
finish to the bound for Glory twenty
eleven made event. What thanks Terry for

2608
03:09:56,920 --> 03:10:00,159
Kurt Angele's part. You know,
he said in that clip, you know,

2609
03:10:00,200 --> 03:10:03,159
I don't want the fucking when the
belt for one retained the belt for

2610
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:05,440
one reason because I didn't want to
carry it anymore because I was hurt.

2611
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:07,399
And then he goes on a radio
show shortly after this and says he only

2612
03:10:07,440 --> 03:10:11,479
had a slight tear in his hamstring. This is shortly after a beout for

2613
03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:13,799
Glory, but the reason his leg
looks open, So he's got different tears,

2614
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:18,959
different realities, different desires. Um, But I don't know whatever,

2615
03:10:20,200 --> 03:10:24,639
I believe, what you want,
I'll believe this. Bound for Glory twenty

2616
03:10:24,680 --> 03:10:28,440
eleven to twenty three thousand buys twenty
ten to thirty nine thousand, so a

2617
03:10:28,559 --> 03:10:31,600
drop of forty one percent for the
biggest show on the calendar year with Hule

2618
03:10:31,639 --> 03:10:37,280
Cogan wrestling this time as opposed to
be just vaguely advertised for to the twenty

2619
03:10:37,319 --> 03:10:41,239
ten show. It's fine. So
if I know Hogan, that means exit

2620
03:10:41,319 --> 03:10:48,760
stage right incoming Brother? What sold
for the show, which took place at

2621
03:10:48,799 --> 03:10:54,239
the what was called the Laya Koras
Center in Philadelphia at Temple University on the

2622
03:10:54,280 --> 03:10:58,360
campus of Temple The Lion Who,
Brother? Who? Why? Who's lying?

2623
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:03,280
Exactly? Who's lying? So they
ended up with about four thousand in

2624
03:11:03,319 --> 03:11:05,360
the building, twenty five hundred paid, not a great attendance for a pay

2625
03:11:05,399 --> 03:11:09,040
per view, and a good amount
of that four thousand, of course,

2626
03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:11,959
was papered. They did. I
totally forgot about this till I was researching.

2627
03:11:13,520 --> 03:11:18,280
They did movie theaters. They cut
a deal. Oh did they really

2628
03:11:18,360 --> 03:11:26,319
put taper theaters and it was just
just about two thousand people. Can't imagine

2629
03:11:26,440 --> 03:11:30,680
who the fuck would show up to
that. At the time, UFC was

2630
03:11:30,719 --> 03:11:33,680
doing pretty good business in movie theaters. I went to UM really, yep,

2631
03:11:33,799 --> 03:11:35,200
I went to a few UFC's in
movie theaters. I went to UM

2632
03:11:35,799 --> 03:11:39,680
a Floyd Mayweather boxing match in a
movie theater, and I loved it.

2633
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:43,239
I love the experture. That was
so great because you get a live crowd

2634
03:11:43,280 --> 03:11:48,559
atmosphere, but you can hear the
commentary that. That's what was so huge

2635
03:11:48,600 --> 03:11:50,879
to me. Plus I could have
popcorn, which, oh, sure,

2636
03:11:50,159 --> 03:11:54,760
my favorite thing in the world.
Oh yeah, you so. But it

2637
03:11:54,879 --> 03:11:56,680
was just like you know what I
mean, you had this like when you

2638
03:11:56,719 --> 03:12:00,520
go to a bar. It's just
like you if you're a real US fan

2639
03:12:00,600 --> 03:12:03,879
and you really like to be able
to engross yourself in the broadcast, it's

2640
03:12:03,920 --> 03:12:07,040
hard because you know, nobody wants
to hear anything. They're just kind of

2641
03:12:07,079 --> 03:12:09,319
watching the big moments under the corner
of their eye, and other than that,

2642
03:12:09,399 --> 03:12:13,079
they're having fun talk and yell and
scream and drinking whatever. Eating,

2643
03:12:13,000 --> 03:12:16,360
but in the movie theater it's like
everyone's there to really pay close fucking attention,

2644
03:12:16,520 --> 03:12:20,920
but they're still popping. Yeah,
so I loved it. I even

2645
03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:24,440
went to one, which is an
experimental thing. They never redid, a

2646
03:12:24,600 --> 03:12:30,200
UFC pay per view that was in
movie theaters in three d oh weird.

2647
03:12:30,879 --> 03:12:33,399
I was like, it was so
cool. You put the glasses on,

2648
03:12:33,559 --> 03:12:37,879
and like you saw this depth of
the cage that you never obviously you never

2649
03:12:37,920 --> 03:12:41,840
could see on standard television, and
you could see like the people sitting on

2650
03:12:41,879 --> 03:12:45,639
the other side of the fence in
such a more high resolution way. It

2651
03:12:45,719 --> 03:12:48,479
almost though like you were watching two
fighters in a video game, honestly,

2652
03:12:48,600 --> 03:12:50,840
like floating interest in front of you. But I love that. That was

2653
03:12:50,879 --> 03:12:54,879
cool. I used to love going
to those things. And it wasn't that

2654
03:12:54,959 --> 03:12:56,879
much more expensive than buying the pay
per view. I don't think it was.

2655
03:12:56,959 --> 03:13:01,280
I think it was probably cheaper if
you don't include fully sure and uh

2656
03:13:01,399 --> 03:13:05,440
yeah, so uf was having a
lot of success. The observers said around

2657
03:13:05,479 --> 03:13:07,200
this time that one of the fights, George Saint Peter Dan Hardy in twenty

2658
03:13:07,319 --> 03:13:13,639
ten, did between thirty and fifty
thousand tickets bound regarded to two thousand across

2659
03:13:13,680 --> 03:13:16,920
the country, so not gonna not
gonna last for long, but they tried.

2660
03:13:18,079 --> 03:13:22,360
That's right, apparently. I don't
know if you remember talking about this,

2661
03:13:22,520 --> 03:13:26,959
but there was a tradition for years
during the Attitude era of w w

2662
03:13:26,040 --> 03:13:31,120
F pay per views in movie theaters
in Canada. No, I don't remember

2663
03:13:31,120 --> 03:13:33,559
that all the Canadians would go watch
the pay per views in movie theaters from

2664
03:13:33,559 --> 03:13:37,120
what I remember here. But I
always thought that would be so cool.

2665
03:13:37,159 --> 03:13:39,319
He imagine, like we were on
and at the co if we could just

2666
03:13:39,360 --> 03:13:45,200
go to the lows oazing's been great. That would have been a lot of

2667
03:13:45,319 --> 03:13:52,000
fun, Like a real that would
have been fucking great. And unlike the

2668
03:13:52,079 --> 03:13:56,159
restaurant at the bar, you don't
have like you know, thirty percent of

2669
03:13:56,200 --> 03:13:58,239
the people are actually fans and the
rest are people just trying to drive their

2670
03:13:58,319 --> 03:14:01,840
meals. You know. It's like, if you buy a movie theater ticket

2671
03:14:01,879 --> 03:14:03,200
to go watch, you're a fucking
fan, so you're gonna be in my

2672
03:14:03,399 --> 03:14:07,120
friends. You know, there have
to be people, all right, and

2673
03:14:07,159 --> 03:14:09,159
you're also not there. You're also
not there, yeah, by accident or

2674
03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:13,079
anything like that. You know you're
you're there. You're there for a reason.

2675
03:14:13,799 --> 03:14:18,799
Exactly, and it's appointment viewing as
it should be, as life should

2676
03:14:18,840 --> 03:14:24,079
be, and totally just um,
I just know there are people out there

2677
03:14:26,159 --> 03:14:28,639
who bought a movie theater ticket to
watch Bound for Glory twenty eleven in a

2678
03:14:28,719 --> 03:14:33,760
movie theater, and we're the only
person in the theater as they deserve to

2679
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:39,239
be. Imagine the reality check that
that is almost a start of a reality

2680
03:14:39,360 --> 03:14:43,879
check as the night was for one. Bobby Rude. That's right. I

2681
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:46,680
don't know. We've weighed all the
evidence, boss, and thanks to to

2682
03:14:46,760 --> 03:14:48,399
Conrad, a lot of people have
had, you know, podcast forums tell

2683
03:14:48,440 --> 03:14:52,520
their story in Vince russo they're having
Bobby rudon as well. I know where

2684
03:14:52,520 --> 03:14:56,120
I come out. Where do you
come out? Did Hogan change to finish

2685
03:14:56,200 --> 03:15:01,239
or not? Oh? Absolutely,
on fucking hell absolutely here, there's no

2686
03:15:01,399 --> 03:15:09,079
question. Thanks hl tnh tnh tnh
that's right, total NonStop fucking Hogan.

2687
03:15:09,239 --> 03:15:11,719
And do you think he sticks around
to architect? You know where this thing

2688
03:15:11,840 --> 03:15:18,680
goes from this disappointing moment for Cobby
Rude, I would say, no,

2689
03:15:18,920 --> 03:15:22,239
where has he gone? As fast
as fucking possible. I think he's gotta

2690
03:15:22,239 --> 03:15:24,440
he's gonna do his little thing.
And then He's gonna get the fuck out

2691
03:15:24,479 --> 03:15:26,280
of Dodge should the impact coming off
Bound for Glory. It was October twenty,

2692
03:15:26,399 --> 03:15:28,959
two thousand and eleven. It opened
with Stings music and a Bound for

2693
03:15:30,040 --> 03:15:33,680
Glory recap video and Hogan and a
T shirt and jeans and no shades and

2694
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:39,799
no paint. Yeah, I know, completely killing the whole fucking joker gimmick.

2695
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:43,600
Oh, totally. Sting is in
a Hogan T shirt. Um yeah,

2696
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:46,719
Garrett Um they talked about was in
an Immortal Plants referee until Bound for

2697
03:15:46,760 --> 03:15:50,799
Glory when it took courage, as
he displayed to stand up to his dad.

2698
03:15:50,879 --> 03:15:54,079
It's like you reveal it and then
it's all moot right away. Uh,

2699
03:15:54,200 --> 03:15:58,520
Sting, it's the ring. Yeah, I got, I got a

2700
03:15:58,600 --> 03:16:01,239
couple. I get. I don't
have the whole fucking thing here for him,

2701
03:16:01,280 --> 03:16:05,479
but I do have a couple of
things because this first one. Um,

2702
03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:16,040
so Stingon claims and you've you've said
it too, that it's been eighteen

2703
03:16:16,120 --> 03:16:22,239
months since Dixie Carter didn't have control
of her company. Eighteen months ago,

2704
03:16:22,280 --> 03:16:26,319
I made a bout of myself to
all the wrestlers in the back and all

2705
03:16:26,399 --> 03:16:31,000
you people that I would do two
things two goals. Goal number one to

2706
03:16:31,159 --> 03:16:33,799
get this company back in the hands
of its rightful owner, Dixie Carter.

2707
03:16:37,879 --> 03:16:46,239
Goal number two was for the real
Hull Cogan to come home. Carter If

2708
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:52,639
I'm wrong, but didn't the court
decision happened in March. Yeah. I

2709
03:16:52,719 --> 03:16:58,639
think what he's saying is he started
crowing about how there's a cancer and Hogan

2710
03:16:58,680 --> 03:17:01,879
and Bishop aren't your friend ends in
March of twenty ten, But in the

2711
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:11,440
March of twenty mm that's I guess. But I mean again, it wasn't

2712
03:17:11,479 --> 03:17:15,159
her company. It wasn't it wasn't
not her company. Yeah. I think

2713
03:17:15,200 --> 03:17:18,280
what he's saying is, you know, not what he said was giving the

2714
03:17:18,319 --> 03:17:22,319
company back to Dixie Carter. Yeah, that's what he said. It's going

2715
03:17:22,360 --> 03:17:24,159
back to that scene where he you
know what I mean, they grabbed her.

2716
03:17:24,520 --> 03:17:28,559
I know what he's saying. I'm
saying he's I'm saying he spoke wrong.

2717
03:17:30,680 --> 03:17:33,760
That that happens in wrestling, that's
for sure. I'm saying he said

2718
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:39,719
is something stupid accelebratory mood though for
staying as he's triumphed on behalf of Disie

2719
03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:43,879
Carter. I mean, you gotta
be he wanted the real whole Coken to

2720
03:17:43,920 --> 03:17:48,040
come home. That was his another
his other wish with the obnoxious fake crowd

2721
03:17:48,120 --> 03:17:50,920
noise in overdrive here, it's really
bad talking about the whole coke and that

2722
03:17:52,000 --> 03:17:54,000
captured the heart of people all over
the world for thirty years. Sting says,

2723
03:17:54,319 --> 03:17:58,200
the whole co transcends wrestling, the
one that defines wrestling. I'm talking

2724
03:17:58,200 --> 03:18:03,600
about the amoral greatest of all time, whole Logan. Who hoof what there's

2725
03:18:03,639 --> 03:18:07,000
some some woman in the front row
were in cocktail dresses here at the impact

2726
03:18:07,079 --> 03:18:09,559
zone, so you know what that
means. Plenty of plants, plenty of

2727
03:18:09,639 --> 03:18:13,840
fake signs, blenty people who were
paid to be there, pussy, I

2728
03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:16,040
admit. Sting says, I had
to come out of my skin a bit,

2729
03:18:16,120 --> 03:18:18,920
step out of my comfort zone to
get Whole Cogan to do this.

2730
03:18:18,280 --> 03:18:22,639
So the whole joker Sting thing wasn't
him having a break from reality. It

2731
03:18:22,799 --> 03:18:26,879
was it was a great makes it
so much better that way, right,

2732
03:18:26,040 --> 03:18:28,159
that's wrong my bound for glory,
he says, it was all worth it,

2733
03:18:28,799 --> 03:18:31,159
and it came down at a defining
moment where Whole Cogan was either coming

2734
03:18:31,200 --> 03:18:33,319
to continue to go down the road
he was going down with Eric Bischoff,

2735
03:18:33,360 --> 03:18:35,559
or choose to do the right thing. I'm talking about doing the right thing

2736
03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:39,719
for wrestlers in the back. Oh
God, wrestlers in the back is always

2737
03:18:39,719 --> 03:18:43,440
a phrase that means quality wrestling television. Yeah, no one cares about the

2738
03:18:43,440 --> 03:18:48,760
flag. No one cares about the
guys in the bank. I don't care

2739
03:18:48,760 --> 03:18:50,799
about the boys in the back.
My mom doesn't care about the boys in

2740
03:18:50,959 --> 03:18:54,639
And I don't care that you care
about the boys in the back exactly,

2741
03:18:54,760 --> 03:18:56,040
And I don't care. I think
it's a weirdness that you care about the

2742
03:18:56,079 --> 03:19:00,719
boys in the back. I think
you're a puss exactly in your own business.

2743
03:19:01,479 --> 03:19:05,000
Bitch for wrestling fans like you should
supported him for thirty years. And

2744
03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:07,719
in that defining moment, the real
Hulk Cogan Stings says, the immortal one,

2745
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:11,040
the greatest of all time, a
true American came home. Hull Cogan,

2746
03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:16,559
please, Sting says, gracis with
your presence. Okay, here he

2747
03:19:16,639 --> 03:19:20,879
comes, and here he is,
Yes, here he comes. Here.

2748
03:19:20,959 --> 03:19:28,239
I got I got some, Hogan, Yeah, I got some. I

2749
03:19:28,319 --> 03:19:31,920
was actually hold on before I go
though, I was curious. So,

2750
03:19:31,079 --> 03:19:35,440
like we've said before, that Stings
great. Now do you think Stings great

2751
03:19:37,719 --> 03:19:41,600
because he's legitimately great in TNA,
Or is it because everything else sucks so

2752
03:19:41,799 --> 03:19:48,079
bad that Sting sucks less. Yeah, it's that, and he sucks so

2753
03:19:48,200 --> 03:19:52,680
bad in promos earlier in his career
that it's just a marvel he is able

2754
03:19:52,680 --> 03:19:54,040
to sort of carry a tune on
the microphone like he is at this point.

2755
03:19:54,159 --> 03:19:58,120
Yeah, yeah, there's no reason
he should be so much more improved

2756
03:19:58,200 --> 03:20:01,000
on the mic I know, like
to me, that would like this should

2757
03:20:01,000 --> 03:20:05,079
have happened in nineteen ninety two.
I bet it was all the Christianity shit.

2758
03:20:05,159 --> 03:20:09,520
You know, he starts hanging around
with those megap preachers and science I

2759
03:20:09,639 --> 03:20:11,959
bet he's some of some of their
Carnie wore off on him, and he

2760
03:20:11,000 --> 03:20:13,520
starts being able to, you know
what I mean, emote like you know,

2761
03:20:15,239 --> 03:20:18,479
well, you know, Steve,
what God would say here? You

2762
03:20:18,559 --> 03:20:24,559
know, God would say, you
know, how can you become more human?

2763
03:20:26,360 --> 03:20:35,520
How can you become an organic?
Guess creature? God intended you to

2764
03:20:35,600 --> 03:20:41,040
be My God intended you to make
California Christianity. Because you know we're talking.

2765
03:20:43,440 --> 03:20:46,680
You know we're talking. We're not
robots, but yet at the same

2766
03:20:46,840 --> 03:20:52,559
time we think we are robots.
And you know what, two years ago

2767
03:20:52,680 --> 03:20:58,840
I thought I was a fish,
but today I realized I'm flesh and blood,

2768
03:20:58,360 --> 03:21:09,200
organic human being and I have desires. Oh where's this going? You

2769
03:21:09,280 --> 03:21:13,799
know, as a human being,
we are flawed and we are we are

2770
03:21:13,920 --> 03:21:22,600
allowed to have human sexual desires.
Oh my god, Steve, do you

2771
03:21:22,719 --> 03:21:33,559
have sexual desires? I go home
now because it's confessional over. I want

2772
03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:48,399
to tell you about my desire.
New shirt, Go ahead, Terry is

2773
03:21:48,440 --> 03:21:54,319
a fucking thing A thank Oka says, Thank God, I don't have to.

2774
03:21:54,399 --> 03:21:58,000
I'm not fucking reciting this one,
and I'm gonna play it for you.

2775
03:21:58,360 --> 03:22:01,520
Well, when you right, you're
right, and you're wrong, you're

2776
03:22:01,559 --> 03:22:05,040
wrong, And I gotta admit for
the last year I've been wrong, and

2777
03:22:05,280 --> 03:22:11,000
thank you guys. You know,
I don't want to blame anybody but myself,

2778
03:22:11,559 --> 03:22:16,040
and I'm not gonna come out here
with a WOESMI story. But I

2779
03:22:16,120 --> 03:22:18,000
had a couple of rough years,
you know, and I got a little

2780
03:22:18,040 --> 03:22:22,760
insecure maybe, and I kind of
started becoming a follower instead of a leader.

2781
03:22:24,239 --> 03:22:26,639
And I gotta give Eric bish Off
his due. He helped me with

2782
03:22:26,719 --> 03:22:31,040
a lot of things, helped me
get my life back together. So I

2783
03:22:31,159 --> 03:22:35,920
started following his lead, and when
it came to the wrestling business, he

2784
03:22:35,200 --> 03:22:41,440
was making some real edgy decisions.
And now that everything's cleared up, I

2785
03:22:41,680 --> 03:22:48,879
realize just how wrong Eric was.
But I'm gonna go back to what I

2786
03:22:50,000 --> 03:22:54,799
said. It's not Eric's fault.
I chose to follow instead of leading.

2787
03:22:54,120 --> 03:22:58,680
But now that I'm back, now
that I'm the red and Yellow Holster from

2788
03:22:58,680 --> 03:23:07,159
the old Day's brother, there's only
one person to thank for that. This

2789
03:23:07,479 --> 03:23:13,239
is the guy that put up with
all my crap for over a year.

2790
03:23:13,799 --> 03:23:20,440
This is a guy who's the true
leader in this ring. This is the

2791
03:23:20,600 --> 03:23:26,639
guy that went way above and beyond
and took every single bullet that was shot

2792
03:23:26,680 --> 03:23:31,079
at him, and he stayed true
to the fans. He stayed true to

2793
03:23:31,239 --> 03:23:35,120
Impact wrestling. And at the end
of the day, when I wasn't bound

2794
03:23:35,200 --> 03:23:39,319
for glory and I was in the
corner of that ring right over there,

2795
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:43,360
and I saw what I had become. When I saw the pack of wools

2796
03:23:43,719 --> 03:23:50,600
known as a mortal tearing, the
stigmer apart the only true real American icon,

2797
03:23:50,959 --> 03:23:58,280
the Stager. I have no idea. Yes, he is the only

2798
03:23:58,639 --> 03:24:03,440
true American eye, the Stinger.
I saw exactly what was going down.

2799
03:24:03,920 --> 03:24:07,959
And thank god I saw the light
because when Sting crawled to me and said,

2800
03:24:09,040 --> 03:24:13,360
Hogan, please help me, I
heard the fans at Bound for Glory.

2801
03:24:13,879 --> 03:24:18,040
I saw as clear as I've ever
seen it. I saw exactly what

2802
03:24:18,239 --> 03:24:22,920
I had become and who I was
hanging out with. And I'm embarrassed to

2803
03:24:22,000 --> 03:24:28,280
say that's who I used to be. But now brother hul Cogan is back.

2804
03:24:28,879 --> 03:24:35,120
Yeah, And what's you're gonna do
when Haul Hogan and the Stinger run

2805
03:24:35,280 --> 03:24:50,319
wild on you? What are you
gonna do? Man? Thirty more years

2806
03:24:52,680 --> 03:24:58,399
anyway, I can't tell. I
can't tell the maniacs and everybody in the

2807
03:24:58,399 --> 03:25:03,200
Impact zone how amazing this run has
been here. And there's one guy to

2808
03:25:03,280 --> 03:25:05,799
thank, my brother, and that's
you. I love you, I respect

2809
03:25:05,879 --> 03:25:09,840
you. You beat me in the
center of the ring, and you are

2810
03:25:09,920 --> 03:25:13,680
the true life heart. I will
never forget what you did for me to

2811
03:25:13,760 --> 03:25:20,520
thank you. Powerful stuff, absolutely, And the real Hull Cogan is back.

2812
03:25:20,559 --> 03:25:24,479
And he disappears after the show for
like six months. What's the problem?

2813
03:25:24,559 --> 03:25:30,319
So it's fine, um, the
real American Icon And then Sting looks

2814
03:25:30,360 --> 03:25:33,639
down like I'll humbly. He says
that I know what the fuck? Man?

2815
03:25:35,239 --> 03:25:37,920
What the fuck? Well, it's
Hogan's fault, not anybody else's that

2816
03:25:39,000 --> 03:25:43,479
he chose to follow instead of lead. And I think one thing that's been

2817
03:25:43,559 --> 03:25:46,719
very clear throughout all these weeks.
If ten h bosses that Hogan did become

2818
03:25:46,760 --> 03:25:52,200
a follower, didn't he He did. And he's a born leader. That's

2819
03:25:52,280 --> 03:25:56,040
right, born leader, Hull Coogan
in the bright, yellow and red.

2820
03:25:56,600 --> 03:26:01,239
He's not a board leader. Once
again, Sting says, thirty more years

2821
03:26:01,280 --> 03:26:05,719
into the mic hoaxes, is Hogan
still a managing partner. I don't know

2822
03:26:05,799 --> 03:26:09,159
when he got that uh that steak. It was a real thing, as

2823
03:26:09,200 --> 03:26:13,319
we discovered in the transcript, right, but I don't know when he had

2824
03:26:13,360 --> 03:26:16,319
it, when he lost it,
If he lost it, I don't know.

2825
03:26:16,760 --> 03:26:20,200
I wasn't sure if that was part
of the stipulations of the match,

2826
03:26:20,879 --> 03:26:28,040
that what he lost his managing partnership
had to sell his stock Jack Roller.

2827
03:26:30,079 --> 03:26:33,920
I can tell maniacs by everybody in
the Impact zone how amazing this run has

2828
03:26:33,959 --> 03:26:35,840
been. One man to think,
I love you, all respect to you.

2829
03:26:35,959 --> 03:26:37,680
You beat me in the center of
the ring, he says to Sting,

2830
03:26:37,760 --> 03:26:39,680
and you are the true icon.
I will never forget what you did

2831
03:26:39,719 --> 03:26:43,559
for me. Thank you. Okay, his music hits, Hulk leaves and

2832
03:26:43,680 --> 03:27:01,120
now it's time to move on with
impact. Sting fucking hell beside me ranging

2833
03:27:01,360 --> 03:27:45,799
out river struck down. Who God, she really have to do that?

2834
03:27:46,879 --> 03:27:54,000
Yes, Dixie's back. Oh she
strides out with her arms swinging, terrified

2835
03:27:54,040 --> 03:27:58,159
to strip on the stage with her
sky high chunky boots. N you imagine

2836
03:27:58,159 --> 03:28:03,799
it's like if one of her fucking
like you know, needle needle sized heels,

2837
03:28:03,920 --> 03:28:09,520
fucking went into the rank raiding risk
at all, even if you lose

2838
03:28:09,760 --> 03:28:15,360
and she didn't. I wonder why
hell couldn't be in the ring for this.

2839
03:28:15,639 --> 03:28:16,639
He's supposed to be like the Big
Thing, right, He's like,

2840
03:28:16,719 --> 03:28:20,079
I know, the Big the Big
Reunion, knowledging, the hand off,

2841
03:28:20,159 --> 03:28:22,959
the Dixie. I what if there's
trouble in Paradise, Brother Thing says,

2842
03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:28,799
this is the day Dixie gets her
company back. But a dozen a race

2843
03:28:28,840 --> 03:28:31,000
would happened eighteen months ago. I
tried to talk to you, show you

2844
03:28:31,079 --> 03:28:33,920
the light, the inner workings of
how the wrestling business works. And there's

2845
03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:37,440
a lot of chess players out here, and you found out the hard way.

2846
03:28:37,479 --> 03:28:41,760
It's a tough business. Even though
the company was lost. We got

2847
03:28:41,799 --> 03:28:43,319
it back. Now. You did
the right thing. When I didn't have

2848
03:28:43,319 --> 03:28:46,159
any chance at all, I thought
it was I was done with wrestling Dixie.

2849
03:28:48,360 --> 03:28:50,000
Oh yeah, here here, this
is him that when he does this

2850
03:28:50,120 --> 03:28:54,120
fucking thing. When I thought that
I was completely done with wrestling Dixie,

2851
03:28:54,559 --> 03:29:03,600
you you gave me a second chance. And and what's phenomenal about is you

2852
03:29:03,799 --> 03:29:07,159
gave me a home right here in
TNA. You gave me a home right

2853
03:29:07,239 --> 03:29:13,079
here with this brand, Dixie.
I love this place. I loved impactricks

2854
03:29:13,200 --> 03:29:20,520
place. Yes, this brand,
TNA brand, this place, Impact Wrestling.

2855
03:29:22,520 --> 03:29:24,959
I love this place. So we're
just gonna keep doing this. Then,

2856
03:29:26,559 --> 03:29:33,280
I love. I thought the end
of the Hogan takeover storyline storyline could

2857
03:29:33,319 --> 03:29:39,360
bring all this to an end.
I love its help they have one storyline.

2858
03:29:41,280 --> 03:29:48,639
I love it all. I'm my
mom. I love wherever I am.

2859
03:29:52,360 --> 03:30:00,399
I love Oh hi, abyss as
of you to contribute. Oh my

2860
03:30:00,520 --> 03:30:07,799
god, do you have no doubt? I'm goodbye Straw. Do you have

2861
03:30:07,920 --> 03:30:13,879
no doubt? I'm gonna tell you
I've never had a doubt, no doubt.

2862
03:30:15,559 --> 03:30:20,440
Can we think back peak of TNA? Him would like the trunks with

2863
03:30:20,559 --> 03:30:28,159
the blood written down him like in
DNA, looking like that. It just

2864
03:30:28,559 --> 03:30:35,000
got all. That's what's so galling
to me. Don't you fucking do this?

2865
03:30:35,680 --> 03:30:41,760
I don't think that time is now
straight up, strawberries are scribbled.

2866
03:30:41,879 --> 03:31:07,120
Strawberry. You are the motherfucking Christol, You're clone. You getting that ass?

2867
03:31:07,360 --> 03:31:20,360
Two fans have been tricked again,
going on here the whole thing.

2868
03:31:20,479 --> 03:31:43,760
So keep bony blooney whistling fans.
It's pain. Huh. Can you can

2869
03:31:43,840 --> 03:31:50,239
you handle the reality that is?
Time for me to the flower? Total

2870
03:31:50,399 --> 03:32:09,319
NonStop attention, manstop aal attention.
Absolutely, it's good times over here.

2871
03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:39,959
Oh yeah, boom boom oh I'm
in pain. I could feel like um.

2872
03:32:41,000 --> 03:32:46,879
It's almost like the first bite is
like the piece of newspaper that's on

2873
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:50,040
fire in the house, and by
the time it's over, the whole houses

2874
03:32:50,079 --> 03:32:58,840
and flames and it goes just like
that ship. Probably do it, that's

2875
03:32:58,920 --> 03:33:20,399
right. Wipe my eyes now.
One. Two? Why do these people

2876
03:33:20,879 --> 03:33:26,600
talk like this? Why? Why
does he gonna fucking say stupid shit?

2877
03:33:28,360 --> 03:33:31,920
Why isn't three okay to say?
Why do you have to know bress that

2878
03:33:31,079 --> 03:33:37,799
up? Why can't why? Why
why can't you talk like a normal human

2879
03:33:37,920 --> 03:33:41,040
being? Is that too much to
ask? I mean, my god,

2880
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:52,479
threnoli idiot. All right? So
then and then Sting says, uh,

2881
03:33:54,920 --> 03:34:01,479
you have to not let this happen
again. Basically, okay, you have

2882
03:34:01,559 --> 03:34:05,799
to make sure the same mistake can't
be made a second time. I'm thinking,

2883
03:34:05,200 --> 03:34:07,840
you do not want us to stick
around, Steve, you do not

2884
03:34:09,000 --> 03:34:13,600
want us stick around. So Dixie
has some messages here for the impact,

2885
03:34:13,639 --> 03:34:16,479
faithful. I don't know if you
have that or if I need to try

2886
03:34:16,479 --> 03:34:18,520
to do what I do. Oh, come on, are you kidding me?

2887
03:34:18,639 --> 03:34:22,360
Man? If she speaks, I
got it, because it's just too

2888
03:34:22,520 --> 03:34:28,440
fucking good. Here we go.
The same mistake cannot be made a second

2889
03:34:28,479 --> 03:34:33,799
time. This is your second chance. Thank you, thank you sincerely.

2890
03:34:35,280 --> 03:34:37,440
And first of all, I have
to apologize to you. You are right,

2891
03:34:39,159 --> 03:34:43,639
You're right all along, and I
didn't listen to you, to all

2892
03:34:43,680 --> 03:34:48,120
the wrestlers in the back, and
to all of you fans. I want

2893
03:34:48,159 --> 03:34:52,040
to say I'm sorry, and I
assure you, no, I promise you,

2894
03:34:52,680 --> 03:34:58,719
I promise you I will not make
that same mistake againstake. I promise

2895
03:34:58,799 --> 03:35:05,639
you. Because my place is not
here in the ring. My place,

2896
03:35:07,000 --> 03:35:09,559
my role in this company is making
sure it's going to be the best that

2897
03:35:09,639 --> 03:35:13,879
it can be. And like you
Sting, I'm a fighter, and this

2898
03:35:13,079 --> 03:35:16,440
last year, if it's done anything
to me, it has made me want

2899
03:35:16,479 --> 03:35:20,440
to fight harder than I've ever fought
in my life to make this company the

2900
03:35:20,520 --> 03:35:33,319
most successful wrestling company in the world
to do so. But to do so,

2901
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:37,799
I'm going to have to spend a
lot more time at headquarters focusing on

2902
03:35:37,959 --> 03:35:43,239
my role as president of this company
once again. And what that means is

2903
03:35:45,079 --> 03:35:50,639
I need you. I need you
to step in and help me run the

2904
03:35:50,719 --> 03:35:58,440
day to day wrestling operations of this
company. To see listen, I will

2905
03:35:58,479 --> 03:36:03,399
give you all the authority to do
whatever you need to and impact wrestling to

2906
03:36:03,600 --> 03:36:07,280
make it the best it can be, to turn this place around. But

2907
03:36:07,399 --> 03:36:09,000
I'm dealing with a lot of stuff
right now, things I've got a way

2908
03:36:09,079 --> 03:36:13,280
through and figure out. And while
I'm doing it, if you would please,

2909
03:36:13,559 --> 03:36:16,319
I know you have gone to bat
for me so much since the day

2910
03:36:16,399 --> 03:36:20,520
you step foot in this company.
You have not stopped fighting for me or

2911
03:36:20,639 --> 03:36:24,120
for this company, and we need
you now more than ever to help us

2912
03:36:24,159 --> 03:36:30,200
turn this thing around. Are you
willing to do it? Thanks? Sure?

2913
03:36:31,200 --> 03:36:41,680
Sure? Sure, sure yeah I'm
willing to do that. Student,

2914
03:36:41,959 --> 03:36:46,440
I just want to say to you. I want to say, thanks God,

2915
03:36:46,600 --> 03:36:50,399
you for not giving up on me, for believing in me, were

2916
03:36:50,440 --> 03:36:58,959
giving me a nick a chance.
Thanks Ollie Anderson for the student Guyscorpion by

2917
03:36:58,559 --> 03:37:18,600
true say did she talk? Should
accompany one more time? Do it?

2918
03:37:20,639 --> 03:37:37,799
Shame company? Dixie Dixie carn Can
we stop with this woman? Can we

2919
03:37:39,000 --> 03:37:50,200
stop saying her name on television?
Please? She so second fucking over coming

2920
03:37:50,440 --> 03:37:58,360
for your company? Good time with
tombshing? Do say and drive it right

2921
03:37:58,440 --> 03:38:18,959
to the ocean. Tie you're reckoning. It sounds so profound and it doesn't

2922
03:38:18,959 --> 03:38:22,840
mean anything. It's nothing at all. Thanks Ole Anderson for the Black Scorpion

2923
03:38:22,959 --> 03:38:28,799
voice. Again, this thing turned
this thing around? I mean they're still

2924
03:38:28,840 --> 03:38:33,680
turning this thing around. It's October
twenty eleven, folks. I mean it

2925
03:38:33,840 --> 03:38:37,639
might not be turned aroundable. It
seems like they've been turning this thing around

2926
03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:45,000
since two thousand and four or thousand
and two. Brother, this is just

2927
03:38:45,120 --> 03:38:48,040
such a trip. These fucking weirdos
in their coded language and ship. Oh,

2928
03:38:48,159 --> 03:38:52,120
they're so stupid. Sting has gloves
on the whole time. By the

2929
03:38:52,200 --> 03:38:54,040
way, he still has those gloves
on. Hey, you know what,

2930
03:38:54,120 --> 03:38:58,280
he knew COVID was coming. So
they hug and then Angle comes out and

2931
03:38:58,360 --> 03:39:07,120
he's all pissed off today, said
Tonay. Shouts out that Sting is in

2932
03:39:07,239 --> 03:39:13,920
an authority role. Angle grabs the
microL says, not only that's what's so

2933
03:39:13,600 --> 03:39:16,639
going to do. We have one
superhero in this ring. We have two.

2934
03:39:18,120 --> 03:39:20,479
We have Sting and we have Dixie
Carter, the woman that lied to

2935
03:39:20,600 --> 03:39:22,639
me, Angle says, made me
look like a jackass and is the sole

2936
03:39:22,719 --> 03:39:26,680
reason I joined Immortal Or was this
spot supposed to be for Robert Rude?

2937
03:39:26,719 --> 03:39:31,600
He says, cut to a Robert
got a Rude, got screwed sign,

2938
03:39:31,680 --> 03:39:37,280
which is as planted as any garden
you'll ever see. I know you're turn

2939
03:39:37,360 --> 03:39:41,799
You're running company at HQ, and
now Sting is in charge of the Impact

2940
03:39:41,879 --> 03:39:45,000
Zone. Angle says, I'm going
to do what I do best and let's

2941
03:39:45,040 --> 03:39:48,760
represent this company as world heavyweight champion. Whether you like it or not,

2942
03:39:48,200 --> 03:40:09,879
Dixie Carter, I am coming for
you. I can see, I can

2943
03:40:09,159 --> 03:40:24,000
see exactly what's your future entails,
and I am going to end your future

2944
03:40:24,760 --> 03:40:35,360
before it begins. I will feast. He leaves it at that I will

2945
03:40:35,520 --> 03:40:46,040
feast. I will feast on your
dreams. I will feast on your desire,

2946
03:40:48,520 --> 03:41:00,520
and I will feast on your company. I do not know you got

2947
03:41:00,639 --> 03:41:16,399
no water is coming? You shatisfy
my hunger. I can telling you that

2948
03:41:18,559 --> 03:41:30,760
I will satisfy my hunger. That
guy, that guy not going to worry

2949
03:41:30,799 --> 03:41:35,399
about folks. He just is going
to satisfy his hunger one way or another.

2950
03:42:00,040 --> 03:42:30,000
Oh oh, your hats off.
You do of coming because you because

2951
03:42:30,040 --> 03:42:35,159
here's here's what happened is that I
was like, I was like, okay,

2952
03:42:35,200 --> 03:42:35,840
you know, I said, this
would be kind of funny if I

2953
03:42:35,920 --> 03:42:39,639
just put the thing back down while
I'm laughing. But then I hear myself

2954
03:42:39,799 --> 03:42:45,200
laughing in that fucking voice, and
I just just keeps me going. It's

2955
03:42:45,239 --> 03:42:48,600
like I can't start. It feeds
off itself. Oh my god, it's

2956
03:42:48,639 --> 03:43:16,920
so stupid. Oh Dixie Carder,
no fucking money, She's card He will

2957
03:43:18,040 --> 03:43:48,760
feasted on your thigh and your thigh
so fu hard. Can do it?

2958
03:43:48,159 --> 03:43:52,719
You can do it? Pull the
nose up on this thing, dialing in,

2959
03:43:54,799 --> 03:44:15,360
I have a rasingd on Dixie Carter
shot. Oh god, all right,

2960
03:44:15,719 --> 03:44:26,319
brother, what's really wor right now? Oh? Yeah, colonel is

2961
03:44:26,319 --> 03:44:33,079
in the run. Oh yeahs of
interesting things. He says. Not only

2962
03:44:33,120 --> 03:44:35,040
do we have one superhero in the
ring, we have two. We have

2963
03:44:35,079 --> 03:44:37,879
Sting and we have Dixie Carter,
the woman that lied to me, made

2964
03:44:37,920 --> 03:44:39,639
me look like a jackass and is
the sole reason I joined Immortal Or was

2965
03:44:39,719 --> 03:44:43,440
this spot supposed to be for Robert
Rude to cut to the planted Rude got

2966
03:44:43,520 --> 03:44:46,520
screwed sign? Like I said,
I know you're running the company headquarters and

2967
03:44:46,559 --> 03:44:50,120
now Sting is in charge of the
Impact Zone. I'm gonna do what I

2968
03:44:50,319 --> 03:44:54,079
do best and represent this company's world
heavyweight champion, whether you like it or

2969
03:44:54,120 --> 03:44:56,159
not, Dixie Carter. Sting says, all you've been talking about is Bobby

2970
03:44:56,239 --> 03:44:58,840
Rude made him look like a hero. You know what I did to him

2971
03:44:58,879 --> 03:45:01,600
at for Glory in just thirty minutes, he says, I've been able like

2972
03:45:01,639 --> 03:45:05,879
a loser. That's what Kurt Angle
says to Sting. That's right, I'm

2973
03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:09,200
the better man. And then beer
Money song hits and Rude comes out with

2974
03:45:09,319 --> 03:45:15,040
a purpose this part of the Untucked
button up Brigade. Oh I know,

2975
03:45:15,280 --> 03:45:18,799
are you kidding me? Kurtie says, you didn't take that victory Angle nods,

2976
03:45:18,840 --> 03:45:20,319
it's kind a funny. Angle here. He's kind of like angles,

2977
03:45:20,680 --> 03:45:24,360
you know, it is really funny. He's actually pretty good here. He's

2978
03:45:24,399 --> 03:45:28,280
like, yeah, thank you,
thanks, Yeah. Screwed me for that

2979
03:45:28,399 --> 03:45:31,280
title, holding the ropes. For
thirteen years of my life, I've given

2980
03:45:31,319 --> 03:45:33,920
everything for that one moment. All
my dreams and goals rolled into one night,

2981
03:45:33,959 --> 03:45:35,879
and you, son of a bitch, you screwed me. Well,

2982
03:45:35,879 --> 03:45:37,719
you did it. Bound for Glory
was absolutely please, But of course he

2983
03:45:37,760 --> 03:45:41,760
said bullshit. Maybe there's nothing I
can do about it now. But they

2984
03:45:41,799 --> 03:45:43,399
start channing rematch, and Sting cuts
him off and says, I saw what

2985
03:45:43,520 --> 03:45:46,399
happened, and I see this Rude
got screwed sign. That's how you know

2986
03:45:46,479 --> 03:45:50,079
it's a plant, Dixie. I
have your permission here right per a conversation,

2987
03:45:50,120 --> 03:45:52,639
to make a match, and she
says, of course, So tonight

2988
03:45:54,360 --> 03:45:56,840
in this ring for that world title, Kurt Angle and Bobby Rude are going

2989
03:45:56,879 --> 03:46:00,760
to get in here tonight for the
championship. They pop for that. Can

2990
03:46:00,840 --> 03:46:03,479
I say something though about Bobby Rude? Yes, shouldn't he shouldn't Rude take

2991
03:46:03,559 --> 03:46:09,040
some responsibility and admit that you know, it's not just I mean he's very

2992
03:46:09,520 --> 03:46:13,040
victimy here, Yeah, you screwed
me. It's like, but you should

2993
03:46:13,079 --> 03:46:20,000
have known. Well, that's that's
well you should you say they very purposely.

2994
03:46:20,079 --> 03:46:24,120
I think had Cody not do that
after WrestleMania this year, right,

2995
03:46:24,200 --> 03:46:26,399
he never once said like, yeah, what what the fuck? Solo interfered

2996
03:46:26,479 --> 03:46:30,559
like that's bullshit, you know,
like I did told you. He didn't

2997
03:46:30,600 --> 03:46:31,639
mention it once, And I think
that's how they view. It's like,

2998
03:46:33,040 --> 03:46:35,920
you cannot have a baby face make
excuses for his loss, even if they're

2999
03:46:35,920 --> 03:46:39,760
totally value not at all, like
I mean, you should say you know,

3000
03:46:39,840 --> 03:46:41,600
he say, you know what,
I should have figured you were going

3001
03:46:41,639 --> 03:46:45,360
to cheat to me, that's a
little bit more, you know. Instead,

3002
03:46:45,399 --> 03:46:50,079
he's fucking playing victim here. And
it's it's not a tick that because

3003
03:46:50,079 --> 03:46:54,520
I always wonder like, are they
you know, are they trying to prevent

3004
03:46:54,680 --> 03:46:58,159
something that wouldn't happen anyway that people
would have these notions about the baby face

3005
03:46:58,159 --> 03:47:01,159
if he were to complained about losing, because I feel like it's more natural,

3006
03:47:01,280 --> 03:47:03,440
it feels more real if the guy's
fucking furious that it went down this

3007
03:47:03,559 --> 03:47:07,000
way and he was, well,
no, he should be furious. Let

3008
03:47:07,000 --> 03:47:09,200
me. I mean, I want
to say he should be furious that it

3009
03:47:09,280 --> 03:47:13,520
happened, because you know it would
be bullshit, but he should also not

3010
03:47:13,680 --> 03:47:18,680
just like he's just pointing at Kurt
Angle you screwed me. It's like,

3011
03:47:18,000 --> 03:47:22,319
man, you know, I mean, yeah, listen, he had a

3012
03:47:22,399 --> 03:47:26,879
part in it, no question,
But so did you. You had a

3013
03:47:26,959 --> 03:47:31,799
part in it for not for for
not preparing for the catchy with the angle

3014
03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:37,520
slam. Right next world Champ Chant
breaks out, angle smiling really staying really.

3015
03:47:37,600 --> 03:47:41,520
I mean, also, it's not
like it's not like he fucking kicked

3016
03:47:41,559 --> 03:47:45,799
out at any point or even you
know, try to struggle free. He

3017
03:47:45,959 --> 03:47:52,360
was done so broesing, you know, Angle smiling really staying really, Dixie.

3018
03:47:52,440 --> 03:47:54,399
When you and I signed the contract, I had put a little tiny

3019
03:47:54,479 --> 03:47:58,559
stipulation in there. Yeah, I
got I got some of this for you

3020
03:47:58,719 --> 03:48:03,360
here, dude. When you and
I signed a contract for the main event

3021
03:48:03,440 --> 03:48:09,079
about for Glory, I had Hulkogan
and Eric Bischoff put a little tiny stipulation

3022
03:48:09,159 --> 03:48:13,360
to contract. Hold on a second, Bobby, you're gonna like this.

3023
03:48:15,799 --> 03:48:24,159
It said that you, Bobby Rude, can only wrestle me once you know

3024
03:48:24,280 --> 03:48:28,040
what we did then, because you
are a threat. You are the real

3025
03:48:28,159 --> 03:48:35,440
deal, and yes I screwed your
ass, but yeah, but you know

3026
03:48:35,559 --> 03:48:41,079
what I did what I had to
do to win there it is. I'm

3027
03:48:41,079 --> 03:48:45,680
all about that. I am all
about that. Well, it is true.

3028
03:48:45,840 --> 03:48:48,360
That's like a thing and boxing and
stuff. You get a contracts is

3029
03:48:48,360 --> 03:48:52,840
your only shot. Yep, you
know, I think it's all great.

3030
03:48:52,920 --> 03:48:56,280
I love hes kind of like honesty
about it and like, nope, you're

3031
03:48:56,280 --> 03:49:00,799
a threat. I'm fucking screwed you, man. Yeah, it doesn't put

3032
03:49:00,879 --> 03:49:05,360
Bobby Rude down. And here comes
Storm, James Storm out in his hat

3033
03:49:05,399 --> 03:49:07,799
and ripped jeans and top two buttons
on buttons, sipping beer because you know

3034
03:49:07,879 --> 03:49:13,559
this segment is a long let's get
some more talking please, and he says,

3035
03:49:13,639 --> 03:49:18,799
you know how he what contract does
the clause say? Okay, yeah,

3036
03:49:18,280 --> 03:49:22,159
you don't have a contract clause that
says that saves your ass against me?

3037
03:49:22,799 --> 03:49:26,280
James Storm says, of course,
as the partner and close friend of

3038
03:49:26,399 --> 03:49:31,079
Bobby Rude, an Angle backs up
like I'm not wrestling you and Sworm I

3039
03:49:31,319 --> 03:49:35,559
listen again, I'm on I'm on
Angles side here. Yeah for this,

3040
03:49:35,879 --> 03:49:41,040
Because he brings up a good point
like you know what, where where is

3041
03:49:41,159 --> 03:49:45,719
a storm on the contenders list no
where to be found. You know exactly,

3042
03:49:45,879 --> 03:49:48,239
Pound for glory. You screwed these
fans, Impact and Bobby. And

3043
03:49:48,319 --> 03:49:50,319
without all that screwing you've been doing, you've been a pretty busy man.

3044
03:49:50,399 --> 03:49:54,239
But when you screwed Bobby Rude,
James Storm says, you kind of screwed

3045
03:49:54,280 --> 03:49:56,799
the old cowboy. James Storm as
well takes his glasses off and says,

3046
03:49:56,840 --> 03:49:58,239
we get a problem now, Kurt, I know a person at this little

3047
03:49:58,239 --> 03:50:03,879
party that could stop up at Sting
and seeing we both wear sunglasses indoors,

3048
03:50:03,079 --> 03:50:07,000
James Storm says to Sting, that's
really see, Bobby Rude can't get a

3049
03:50:07,040 --> 03:50:09,399
rematch, and these people want to
see a world title match right here tonight,

3050
03:50:09,440 --> 03:50:11,639
and they pop for that. Angles
says, hold on a second,

3051
03:50:11,680 --> 03:50:13,840
I think you need to stop drinking
on the job, and of course,

3052
03:50:15,440 --> 03:50:18,719
James Storm quickly takes a chug of
beer. At that point, he says,

3053
03:50:18,760 --> 03:50:20,440
there's ten guys in front of you
who are challenging, right, that's

3054
03:50:20,559 --> 03:50:24,120
right. See Sting says, I
think I'm really starting to like this new

3055
03:50:24,159 --> 03:50:26,680
position of mine. Kurt, He's
not number one, he says, shut

3056
03:50:26,760 --> 03:50:31,920
up, as Kurt Kurt pipes up, he's not number one contender. Insta

3057
03:50:31,000 --> 03:50:33,479
cuts him off. Shut up.
Tonight for the world title, you're going

3058
03:50:33,959 --> 03:50:37,040
to face James Storm and angles pissed
and rude, grabs the mic and says,

3059
03:50:37,079 --> 03:50:41,959
I remember what my well, my
partner says, sorry about your damn

3060
03:50:43,079 --> 03:50:46,639
luck. Doesn't quite worry the same
with a Canadian accent. Now, so

3061
03:50:46,760 --> 03:50:48,440
we fast forward. Later in the
show, we see Eric bish I mean

3062
03:50:48,559 --> 03:50:52,920
seriously, like like if I were
one of the other contenders who've been working

3063
03:50:52,000 --> 03:50:58,319
my a off, be furious totally. Later on in the show, we

3064
03:50:58,360 --> 03:51:01,319
see Eric Bischoff with Immortalist muscle Walk
in the Hotel can down stage and here

3065
03:51:01,399 --> 03:51:09,680
you go, Hey Hulk, sir, where you going? Pal? You

3066
03:51:09,719 --> 03:51:11,440
don't want to leave without saying goodbye
to us, do you? Yeah?

3067
03:51:11,799 --> 03:51:15,280
No, guys, sit back,
sit back, It's all right. Let's

3068
03:51:15,319 --> 03:51:18,440
give the man some room here.
See, we don't want anything to go

3069
03:51:18,520 --> 03:51:20,799
down here. We wanted to go
down to the ring tonight. I see,

3070
03:51:20,840 --> 03:51:26,680
we want to say goodbye our way. I've got something that I like

3071
03:51:26,760 --> 03:51:33,239
to share with you, just one
last party meeting. So if you've got

3072
03:51:33,280 --> 03:51:39,000
any balls left after you've handed him
over to sting handed one over to Dixie

3073
03:51:39,520 --> 03:51:43,479
and whatever's left of your manhood,
why don't you bring it with you to

3074
03:51:43,600 --> 03:51:46,879
the ring? Just face me,
one on one. Let me get something

3075
03:51:46,959 --> 03:51:52,200
off my chests. How about a
hulkster? Yep for that. Let's go

3076
03:51:52,360 --> 03:51:54,879
guys. Let him think about it. Let's see if he's got any balls

3077
03:51:56,079 --> 03:52:07,200
left. See hockey later tonight.
Where where was he going? Hogan are

3078
03:52:07,040 --> 03:52:15,079
leaving? Well, he's no longer, you know, he's no longer you

3079
03:52:15,120 --> 03:52:18,719
know, so longer his company.
So he just leaves shut and why not?

3080
03:52:18,920 --> 03:52:20,120
Yeah? Yeah, so he says
nothing. He just stands there like

3081
03:52:20,159 --> 03:52:22,680
a I know he does. He
does just stand there, mute. I

3082
03:52:22,719 --> 03:52:26,000
wonder if he I wonder if he
has a cause in his contracts, as

3083
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:28,040
if he has more than a certain
amount of lines, he has to get

3084
03:52:28,079 --> 03:52:33,120
paid a ton of money. Oh, it's a fun consideration. So yeah,

3085
03:52:33,319 --> 03:52:37,280
Fortunately for all of us. Bischoff
comes out later to his music Hang

3086
03:52:37,520 --> 03:52:39,520
Hang Hang. At the time,
he's working on a TV show with Jason

3087
03:52:39,559 --> 03:52:46,520
Hervey called Daddy's Home starring Scott Beyo, Oh God, regular comedy where Beyo

3088
03:52:46,559 --> 03:52:48,920
would play a former TV star who
becomes a stay at home dad as part

3089
03:52:48,959 --> 03:52:52,520
of an agreement with his actress wife, who now goes back to full time

3090
03:52:52,600 --> 03:52:56,479
soap opera work. Sounds like great
stuff. So Bischoff comes to the ring

3091
03:52:56,520 --> 03:52:58,280
with a scowl on his face,
with his shirt tucked into those jeans that

3092
03:52:58,360 --> 03:53:01,799
everyone loved to then those true religion
jeans with the faded front to them.

3093
03:53:03,840 --> 03:53:07,319
Get Bully and Steiner and Gunner,
Today's eric Bishops, the whole Empire,

3094
03:53:07,360 --> 03:53:09,959
slip the whole fucking thing. More
fucking talking. How can we how can

3095
03:53:11,000 --> 03:53:13,040
we still talk with a straight face
about the immortal Empire. It's like three

3096
03:53:13,120 --> 03:53:16,520
guys, it's such a joke.
It's such a joke, and they're all

3097
03:53:16,559 --> 03:53:20,399
fucking without Hulk Cogan or some kind
of you know, main event force.

3098
03:53:20,479 --> 03:53:28,360
They're jokes, total yep. But
I got I got this one on Hogan

3099
03:53:28,399 --> 03:53:35,879
does get involved again out yep.
I'm gonna take care of that punk ass

3100
03:53:35,000 --> 03:53:41,120
kid of mine on my own time
and in my own way. But right

3101
03:53:41,200 --> 03:53:46,280
now I love to address Paul Cogan. I tells you earlier, if you

3102
03:53:46,399 --> 03:53:50,959
hand any balls, you show up
and face me in this way because I've

3103
03:53:50,040 --> 03:53:58,120
got something to say. Hulk Hogan, show us what you careful, what

3104
03:53:58,200 --> 03:54:07,159
you have because mightn't mean we nickname
mamam not no madam not no, I'm

3105
03:54:07,239 --> 03:54:13,079
not no my dam not no my
daa now o daana no he s my

3106
03:54:13,319 --> 03:54:22,680
momn him ma, my mamy,
my ma sham, mam, mam,

3107
03:54:24,360 --> 03:54:33,799
mama, my mind right now and
now o maam now madam not no my

3108
03:54:33,959 --> 03:54:39,760
dam not now he cant I'm not
no my dam not no my dam not

3109
03:54:39,040 --> 03:54:58,479
now am h by f bout easy
osios ch chechnam b ba now madam not

3110
03:54:58,799 --> 03:55:05,399
now my Da'm something to say,
Bischoff, You got one chance to spit

3111
03:55:05,479 --> 03:55:09,440
it out right now. Yeah,
I've got a lot to say. And

3112
03:55:09,600 --> 03:55:13,040
I hope you picked a lunch because
it's gonna take me a while to get

3113
03:55:13,079 --> 03:55:18,000
all of this off my chest.
Make sense. Foremost, how in that

3114
03:55:18,200 --> 03:55:22,920
hell can you explain turning your back
by the guys that have been protecting your

3115
03:55:22,959 --> 03:55:33,040
ass for the last eighteen months?
How dare you turn on immortal a lot

3116
03:55:33,079 --> 03:55:41,319
of And if that wasn't bad enough, you turned your back on me,

3117
03:55:41,360 --> 03:55:48,159
the guy that made Paul Cooker.
Forget about this, Andre the giant how

3118
03:55:48,239 --> 03:55:52,639
Comania Back in the eighties and nineties, I got the man solely responsible for

3119
03:55:52,760 --> 03:55:56,319
Lincoln, who you think of you? Who you are today? If it

3120
03:55:56,440 --> 03:56:03,280
worked for me, you wouldn't be
here. Thanks affect, Jack, But

3121
03:56:03,440 --> 03:56:11,600
the worst defect you could have committed
was to get between me and my son.

3122
03:56:13,159 --> 03:56:20,319
How dare you get between a father
and a son? How dare you

3123
03:56:20,520 --> 03:56:24,920
corrupt him? You know? I
had him right where we needed him,

3124
03:56:24,040 --> 03:56:30,799
right where we wanted him. I
had him becoming me, ready to do

3125
03:56:30,920 --> 03:56:35,399
whatever it took to get the job
done, until you got into his head.

3126
03:56:35,600 --> 03:56:41,200
And instead of getting a job done, that punk kid turned his back

3127
03:56:41,360 --> 03:56:46,000
on me. How dare you?
Will you know something, brother? In

3128
03:56:46,200 --> 03:56:52,319
the last couples, I've learned all
about you, and I've learned a lot

3129
03:56:52,639 --> 03:56:58,959
about your son, Garrett Bischoff.
And the one thing I've found out brother,

3130
03:57:00,200 --> 03:57:05,239
that Garrett is that Garrett is one
hell of a man, a man

3131
03:57:05,639 --> 03:57:11,000
that you could never be, a
man that you could never be. Erret

3132
03:57:30,840 --> 03:57:35,760
shop with the same. And this
is what your ward holing you just love

3133
03:57:35,799 --> 03:57:43,120
it to the world? Who he
said? Stand side in? What do

3134
03:57:43,239 --> 03:57:46,360
the fut ever holding? Play?
Your feel just got a little bit more

3135
03:57:46,479 --> 03:58:05,360
little di is it over? This
is you got standing talk you morning?

3136
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:16,120
I'm backing up right And he backs
right into Garrett. How do you pay

3137
03:58:18,719 --> 03:58:28,440
let's bishof sunnits, that's Garrett bishof
sait. How dare you? How dare

3138
03:58:28,600 --> 03:58:37,040
you? Eric? Turn around here? Don't turn around? Oh god,

3139
03:58:37,120 --> 03:58:41,360
you got fucking to say to me? How you come up? You're all

3140
03:58:41,479 --> 03:58:48,200
slee ther face? What are you
got to say to me? Who are

3141
03:58:48,239 --> 03:59:01,319
you going to say to me?
Just get just dare me. I don't

3142
03:59:01,440 --> 03:59:05,680
ever want to see you getting my
face again. You want to put the

3143
03:59:05,760 --> 03:59:11,959
shirt off in their tattoo. You
don't have a right to wear that name.

3144
03:59:11,360 --> 03:59:18,600
Oh my god, you're up?
Bish off? You are? How

3145
03:59:18,719 --> 03:59:26,719
you just look back to hell?
Want to see you again? Right hand?

3146
03:59:26,840 --> 03:59:35,360
Dad goes bish off. He just
drop his own father. Screw your

3147
03:59:35,440 --> 03:59:39,520
dad, screw you day. What
do you think, boss? Compelling television?

3148
03:59:41,280 --> 03:59:45,280
M hmm, it's fine. He
has a Bischof tattoo over his I

3149
03:59:45,360 --> 03:59:50,000
mean that's really what are you doing? Man? I mean honestly, I

3150
03:59:50,120 --> 03:59:54,760
mean what you get that much pride
for your fucking family name? So bizarre?

3151
03:59:56,200 --> 03:59:58,399
So yeah, it ends with Garrett
decking Eric, and we're after the

3152
03:59:58,479 --> 04:00:01,840
races with the he too. He
sends the thumbs up to hog sting.

3153
04:00:01,920 --> 04:00:05,120
Oh why couldn't Garrettischef just get in
the ring and actually help Hogan and staying

3154
04:00:05,200 --> 04:00:09,280
face off on the instead of just
stand at the top of the ramp and

3155
04:00:09,360 --> 04:00:13,479
wait for them to defend for themselves. Today shouts he is his own man.

3156
04:00:15,440 --> 04:00:18,239
Thanks Today. Backstage, Storm on
his way to the ring for the

3157
04:00:18,280 --> 04:00:22,200
match with Kurt Angle, and he
frets to Bobby Rude that he wished he

3158
04:00:22,200 --> 04:00:24,600
had a little more time to prepare, and Rude gets pissed at that suggestion.

3159
04:00:24,719 --> 04:00:26,719
What did you say. You've been
praying for this your entire life,

3160
04:00:26,760 --> 04:00:28,360
et cetera, et ceter I think
they're playing on the India. That James

3161
04:00:28,360 --> 04:00:33,159
Storm had kind of like a Debbie
Downer mentality, and you know, kind

3162
04:00:33,159 --> 04:00:35,559
of had like a sourpuss face.
If he had to do something he didn't

3163
04:00:35,600 --> 04:00:37,159
want to do. On his way
to the ring, he could tell if

3164
04:00:37,200 --> 04:00:39,479
he was gonna lose or something.
The chefs talked a lot about that.

3165
04:00:39,520 --> 04:00:43,000
So Rube does a peptop and says, no doubt, you were more prepared

3166
04:00:43,040 --> 04:00:45,920
now than ever before to become world
champion. I can pitch camplain all day

3167
04:00:45,959 --> 04:00:48,239
long about what happened to me,
but that was then, and this is

3168
04:00:48,280 --> 04:00:50,840
now and right now is your time
Main Events monsored by Five Hour Energy.

3169
04:00:50,920 --> 04:00:56,399
Boss feels like I'd be a good
title for this episode of TNH. Could

3170
04:00:56,479 --> 04:01:00,959
use something. Here comes in James
Storm in a beer Hunter T shirt and

3171
04:01:01,360 --> 04:01:05,360
Angle rises out of the ground Your
Hunter in the style of the Deer Hunter

3172
04:01:05,440 --> 04:01:09,399
too. No no, no,
no no, the slow bell ring JB

3173
04:01:09,680 --> 04:01:15,040
presiding sponsored by five Hour and Energy. That must be another company that wouldn't

3174
04:01:15,079 --> 04:01:18,959
come to the table if it was
still called t NA. The no wait,

3175
04:01:18,079 --> 04:01:22,680
no hassle way to get a great
morning. He weighed in this morning,

3176
04:01:22,840 --> 04:01:24,200
speaking in the mornings at two hundred
and thirty eight pounds, The Tennessee

3177
04:01:24,239 --> 04:01:28,719
Cowboy, James Storm challenging Kurt Angle
here in the afternoon. What's that?

3178
04:01:28,639 --> 04:01:33,440
What about this afternoon? We don't
we don't weigh them? Then, Oh

3179
04:01:33,600 --> 04:01:35,559
well, I don't know. Hebner
hoists the championship and it's the main of

3180
04:01:35,680 --> 04:01:39,799
end of the Impact Afterbound for Glory. Kurt Angle Defense against James Storm is

3181
04:01:39,840 --> 04:01:43,120
hastily arranged match. We touched on
it earlier and talking about the drama about

3182
04:01:43,159 --> 04:01:46,239
taking the match away from Bobby Rude. Essentially, the long term plan was

3183
04:01:46,280 --> 04:01:48,799
for Route to win the title and
feud with James Storm. They kind of

3184
04:01:48,840 --> 04:01:54,239
accelerated here and moved to pieces around. Hogan was talking positively about James Storm

3185
04:01:54,319 --> 04:01:56,040
in the same interview he kind of
buried Bobby Rude. Of course, he

3186
04:01:56,040 --> 04:01:58,079
would later go on and say it
was a work, et cetera, which

3187
04:01:58,079 --> 04:02:03,120
is what you say when it was
to work, and they find a way

3188
04:02:03,159 --> 04:02:05,840
to get the strap on James Storm. So Hogan sort of indicated in that

3189
04:02:05,920 --> 04:02:09,159
way, though it turns out to
be just a pit stop for Bobby Rude

3190
04:02:09,440 --> 04:02:15,440
finally getting the championship. But they
don't, which I mean, I don't

3191
04:02:15,559 --> 04:02:18,280
understand. I mean, go ahead
and I'll talk about him when we come

3192
04:02:18,399 --> 04:02:20,479
up to it. But there's not
much to say it's like a ten second

3193
04:02:20,520 --> 04:02:24,799
match, because I know it is
really really it's kind of pathetic. Yea.

3194
04:02:24,920 --> 04:02:28,280
Kurt had that bad wheel and was
really cranky about retaining it down for

3195
04:02:28,319 --> 04:02:31,399
glory, as we just heard in
the first place, so they kind of

3196
04:02:31,639 --> 04:02:33,840
assuaged his anguish by saying, don't
worry, the next match you have will

3197
04:02:33,879 --> 04:02:37,000
just be a ten second thing.
Anyway, bell sounds, They're both froze

3198
04:02:37,040 --> 04:02:39,719
it in their corners. There was
a lock up angle goes crazy with Boots

3199
04:02:39,760 --> 04:02:45,680
in the corner and stomps him a
bunch and it's conduct unbecoming for kurn Angle.

3200
04:02:45,719 --> 04:02:48,440
Tess says it's Brian. Hebner gets
between them and kind of forces Angle

3201
04:02:48,440 --> 04:02:50,440
out of the corner, and while
facing him off, Storm recovers, gets

3202
04:02:50,440 --> 04:02:54,840
to his feet, fires off the
big superkick that he did, and covers

3203
04:02:54,920 --> 04:02:56,520
Kurt Angle in a flash. For
the one, two three, James Storm

3204
04:02:56,559 --> 04:03:05,840
becomes the new TENA Heavyweight Champion.
Your unimpact than okay, so much better

3205
04:03:05,879 --> 04:03:09,040
than just having Bobby Rude win the
belt. So so Rude hits the rain

3206
04:03:09,120 --> 04:03:11,600
falls on him and then he comes
up. Storm comes up blubbering with the

3207
04:03:11,639 --> 04:03:13,879
belt. He does a cool celebration, jumps into the crowd, has a

3208
04:03:13,959 --> 04:03:18,120
beer. Aj Styles and has come
out and celebrate with him as well.

3209
04:03:18,239 --> 04:03:24,719
And that is pretty much that.
As Tennay screams, Immortal no longer has

3210
04:03:24,799 --> 04:03:28,479
the world heavyweight title. Can you
stop pretending immortals a thing? Just stop

3211
04:03:28,719 --> 04:03:33,600
immortals over? Jude's done, and
then he gets a mic time just James

3212
04:03:33,639 --> 04:03:37,200
Storm says he's spend them with the
company since day one. He's watched people

3213
04:03:37,239 --> 04:03:39,719
come and watched him go, but
one thing's for dam sure. The cowboy

3214
04:03:39,840 --> 04:03:43,000
is now here to stay, you
son of a bitches, And he says,

3215
04:03:43,040 --> 04:03:45,840
even though to me, I think
that victory was a little bitter,

3216
04:03:45,920 --> 04:03:48,399
sweet Robert Rude, you're my best
friend in the world and we are the

3217
04:03:48,520 --> 04:03:52,120
greatest tag team of all time or
whatever they say. You deserve a chant

3218
04:03:52,159 --> 04:03:54,520
and that's that. It's a good
show in terms of, you know,

3219
04:03:54,879 --> 04:03:58,479
it was interesting to watch. It
was a newsworthy, eventful show, sure,

3220
04:03:58,520 --> 04:04:00,959
and it did a good rating.
It hit two point two million viewers,

3221
04:04:01,000 --> 04:04:07,159
the all time audience record for Impact
in terms of average over the course

3222
04:04:07,200 --> 04:04:09,760
of time that they were on the
air. Yes, there's certainly been higher

3223
04:04:09,879 --> 04:04:13,440
rated hours they've done, but when
you combine all the hours of one episode

3224
04:04:13,520 --> 04:04:16,920
and average it out, that is
the highest. And last year is Bound

3225
04:04:16,920 --> 04:04:20,200
for Glory post show. The first
Impact after Bound for Glory did a really

3226
04:04:20,239 --> 04:04:24,559
healthy rating as well. So they
were able to people, Yeah, after

3227
04:04:24,600 --> 04:04:28,000
WrestleMania type thing exactly. People wanted
to see what the fallout was, and

3228
04:04:28,079 --> 04:04:33,399
of course, inevitably every single year
they failed to wag parlay I should say

3229
04:04:33,440 --> 04:04:37,719
they wait layed it all right,
parlay that interest into kind of like more

3230
04:04:37,799 --> 04:04:41,760
extended rating success that actually, you
know, to deliver something that kept people

3231
04:04:41,159 --> 04:04:46,239
beyond that the two weeks it starts
dropping back to normal numbers and actually,

3232
04:04:46,479 --> 04:04:50,719
depressingly, the angle Storm match at
the end was the low point of the

3233
04:04:50,920 --> 04:04:56,360
entire show in terms of breaking out
the quarters. The show up and strong

3234
04:04:56,440 --> 04:05:00,760
one point three eight for Sting and
Hogan and Sting and Dixie Carter. When

3235
04:05:00,840 --> 04:05:07,479
people want fucking Bishop, well they
I think they wanted to see what the

3236
04:05:07,559 --> 04:05:11,920
flavor of of the TNA post bound
for Glory, post Hogan wrestling, post

3237
04:05:11,040 --> 04:05:15,440
Dixie Carter winning the company back looked
like. And it was the same things

3238
04:05:15,440 --> 04:05:18,319
they said, Fuck this, yeah
over twenty seventh and Pact we moved to

3239
04:05:18,479 --> 04:05:22,799
now and starts up with Storm talking
about how he's seen guys come and go

3240
04:05:22,000 --> 04:05:24,520
grab their money and try to get
out of here, while guys like me

3241
04:05:24,600 --> 04:05:28,040
stayed loyal to this company and watch
a grow because we knew one day it

3242
04:05:28,079 --> 04:05:31,360
was going to be our turn,
and therefore he's going to offer Bobby Rude

3243
04:05:31,399 --> 04:05:35,879
the first crack at the World Championship. That's so nice, agreed, Friends

3244
04:05:35,959 --> 04:05:39,120
taking care of friends. Garrett bish
Off later talking about how he grew up

3245
04:05:39,120 --> 04:05:43,000
his whole life, utilizing his father. What that's what I wanted to be?

3246
04:05:45,440 --> 04:05:46,479
If that's what you wanted to be, Pal, I don't know.

3247
04:05:46,600 --> 04:05:48,959
And I saw pick up that chairbound
for glory to finish the stinger off,

3248
04:05:50,040 --> 04:05:52,840
I knew what I had to do. First of all, he says,

3249
04:05:52,840 --> 04:05:54,840
who wants to beat up their dad? Second of all, who wants to

3250
04:05:54,879 --> 04:06:01,200
hit an old man? Apparently you? Garrett? Huh? What do you

3251
04:06:01,360 --> 04:06:09,559
say, Garrett? Question? What
do you want from daddy? Do you

3252
04:06:11,280 --> 04:06:22,159
want to take daddy to the extreme? What do you think of daddy's extrevity

3253
04:06:22,600 --> 04:06:41,879
shot? I'm watching you, Garrett, I'm watching you. That is not

3254
04:06:41,959 --> 04:06:46,520
where I expected that to go.
Hey, Eric fishops out. It's always

3255
04:06:46,520 --> 04:06:52,000
great to see him, isn't it. Oh yeah, here do the fucking

3256
04:06:52,200 --> 04:06:56,879
idiot here. Let's just you know
here it is. Here's this this mort

3257
04:06:56,040 --> 04:07:01,200
fair important family business to take care
of, That's right, Sit on and

3258
04:07:01,399 --> 04:07:09,959
shut up? What dude, I've
got some important family business to take care

3259
04:07:09,040 --> 04:07:13,280
of here. And I normally try
to keep my personal life separate from my

3260
04:07:13,959 --> 04:07:24,959
business life, but unfortunately, my
firstborn son has decided to make that way

3261
04:07:26,040 --> 04:07:37,120
more complicated than it needed to be. Some people keep your ros down here

3262
04:07:37,280 --> 04:07:43,399
right now, We're gonna have a
little father's son chat talking about the birds.

3263
04:07:46,479 --> 04:07:54,559
Let's go, don't have all nights, don't have, don't have you

3264
04:07:54,719 --> 04:07:58,159
know, I don't like it when
people are like, get your ass out

3265
04:07:58,280 --> 04:08:11,520
here, birless music. The father's
son chat, the father who used a

3266
04:08:11,600 --> 04:08:16,840
steel chair on his son I found
for glory, and the son who decked

3267
04:08:16,879 --> 04:08:24,600
his father right here on Inpact Wrestling
last week. This is father's son chat

3268
04:08:24,760 --> 04:08:28,719
is going to be shared with the
world. Awesome. That's the way Eric

3269
04:08:28,760 --> 04:08:46,520
FISHERLF walts it. His son's were
luctant to get in the room. I'm

3270
04:08:46,559 --> 04:08:52,879
a busy man. I've got a
lot going on here tonight, so I

3271
04:08:52,000 --> 04:08:54,520
want to make a couple of things
really clear. Says you took it upon

3272
04:08:54,639 --> 04:09:01,079
yourself to embarrass me. It sounds
like he's gonna take out the fucking national

3273
04:09:01,200 --> 04:09:16,399
television by punching me right between the
freaking eyes. And I'm willing to forgive

3274
04:09:16,520 --> 04:09:20,079
that. Look at me when I'm
talking to you, not these clowns.

3275
04:09:20,799 --> 04:09:26,239
All right. Your business is right
here in front of you, Your future

3276
04:09:26,760 --> 04:09:31,600
is right here in front of you, all right, so pay close attention.

3277
04:09:35,559 --> 04:09:41,120
I raised you to follow in my
footsteps. Hell, I conceived you

3278
04:09:41,079 --> 04:09:48,000
so that you could follow in my
footsteps. I did not waste perfectly good

3279
04:09:48,239 --> 04:09:56,719
seamen perfectly on somebody that was gonna
fail me when I needed you most for

3280
04:09:56,840 --> 04:10:03,799
the time you first follow me in
to the a WA wrestling studios in Minneapolis

3281
04:10:03,879 --> 04:10:09,040
when you were four years old.
Had I allowed you to learn the business

3282
04:10:09,879 --> 04:10:15,799
from the inside out. You learn
more about this business by accident than most

3283
04:10:15,879 --> 04:10:20,280
people who are in it. And
I gave you that opportunity. Don't even

3284
04:10:20,440 --> 04:10:26,159
try to interrupt me, you punk. I gave you that opportunity because I

3285
04:10:26,239 --> 04:10:33,520
knew someday, someday I could depend
on you and you could do the right

3286
04:10:33,760 --> 04:10:39,840
thing. And you let me down. You embarrassed me, damn it.

3287
04:10:41,600 --> 04:10:50,879
You embarrassed the entire Bishop family for
generations back. You drop the ball,

3288
04:10:50,079 --> 04:10:54,639
and I was pissed off as I
am right now. And as much as

3289
04:10:54,719 --> 04:10:58,399
you know deep down inside, I
could kick your ass and in front of

3290
04:10:58,440 --> 04:11:01,719
all of these people, do to
you what you did to me, which

3291
04:11:01,879 --> 04:11:09,719
was embarrassed me. I'm not gonna
do that quite yet. See, I'm

3292
04:11:09,799 --> 04:11:18,079
going to give you what I normally
don't give anybody because you know I am

3293
04:11:18,280 --> 04:11:31,399
one ruthless son of a bitch.
I don't want this to stop. Trying

3294
04:11:33,040 --> 04:11:37,639
to talk you something you want to
say, say to everybody, say this

3295
04:11:37,879 --> 04:11:41,600
is not the way I want this
to go down. I don't give a

3296
04:11:41,959 --> 04:11:48,120
damn what you want. This isn't
about what you want, you selfish little

3297
04:11:48,239 --> 04:11:54,959
prick. This is about what I
want. And I want to give you,

3298
04:11:54,200 --> 04:11:58,639
oh, maybe the next half hour
forty five minutes to think about it,

3299
04:12:00,079 --> 04:12:03,040
because you're gonna do one or two
things. You're either gonna come out

3300
04:12:03,079 --> 04:12:09,079
here at the end of the night
tonight and apologize to me in front of

3301
04:12:09,159 --> 04:12:13,639
all of these people, in front
of this worldwide television audience. You're either

3302
04:12:13,680 --> 04:12:18,840
going to apolishgize to me, or
I'm hey, I'm gonna kick your ass.

3303
04:12:24,280 --> 04:12:31,760
You decide punk compelling television. How
how how long do you think waiting

3304
04:12:31,799 --> 04:12:33,959
to tell us to his kid?
Well, I'm sorry, what do you

3305
04:12:35,239 --> 04:12:37,280
your life? I said, how
long do you think Bischof's been been waiting

3306
04:12:37,360 --> 04:12:43,719
to fucking say this to his kid
in real life? I don't know.

3307
04:12:46,840 --> 04:12:48,879
It's like threatening to kick his ass
and all that shit. I mean,

3308
04:12:50,200 --> 04:12:54,719
am I supposed to like care if
there it gets along with the sun.

3309
04:12:56,559 --> 04:13:00,479
Apparently you are, or they think
you are. But I mean it's this

3310
04:13:00,600 --> 04:13:05,719
is the sut I can't stand it. I don't because I don't care.

3311
04:13:07,959 --> 04:13:11,239
It's that simple. I don't give
a shit about these two fucking morons.

3312
04:13:13,159 --> 04:13:18,520
I don't care about the Bishoffs,
all right. I was kind of told

3313
04:13:18,600 --> 04:13:22,600
to care about my hand. I
mean, I thought Bishoff was Clayton WWE

3314
04:13:22,719 --> 04:13:24,840
and good in WCW on television.
But yeah, and I remember putting my

3315
04:13:24,879 --> 04:13:28,200
hand up and saying, yeah,
get me get me involved in this guy's

3316
04:13:28,239 --> 04:13:33,879
like family's life. He's he's,
he's, he's you know, he can't

3317
04:13:33,920 --> 04:13:41,200
be the main thing. He's gonna
be the season, all right, not

3318
04:13:41,280 --> 04:13:46,920
not not every fucking week, let
alone twice or three times in a week.

3319
04:13:48,159 --> 04:13:50,760
Yeah, there's some impacts. He
comes out and you're like again,

3320
04:13:50,559 --> 04:13:56,280
he's he's coming out again. He's
like the only person that can string together

3321
04:13:56,360 --> 04:13:58,680
a sentence in this company is up. What the deal is? I mean,

3322
04:13:58,719 --> 04:14:05,040
the last time I cared about Bischoff's
family was one of his wife post

3323
04:14:05,120 --> 04:14:13,120
for Playboy. So here's Garrett standing
tall and Rick Flair has got some things

3324
04:14:13,200 --> 04:14:16,920
to say to this little show.
Here we go. You're ready for this?

3325
04:14:18,680 --> 04:14:22,399
Actually, it's yeah, seriously,
and there's only one guy who can

3326
04:14:22,479 --> 04:14:26,639
do it, and that's mister money
bags himself. It ain't mister Flair,

3327
04:14:26,079 --> 04:14:33,280
it's God. Yeah. You don't
need to be sorry just to remember my

3328
04:14:33,399 --> 04:14:35,239
name. Okay, sir, do
you know I have a real problem with

3329
04:14:35,319 --> 04:14:39,280
you right now? When I heard
you were breaking this business. But I

3330
04:14:39,440 --> 04:14:46,479
was excited because this is a business
that needs young men. I repeat men,

3331
04:14:46,760 --> 04:14:56,079
meaning man am I end disrespectful little
punk like you? But mister Flair,

3332
04:14:56,200 --> 04:14:58,680
just listen to what I'm No,
I don't need to listen to nothing.

3333
04:15:00,040 --> 04:15:01,719
I sawid that went down between you
and your dad. I was right

3334
04:15:01,799 --> 04:15:07,840
there. You're not big enough,
you're not mad enough. You don't have

3335
04:15:07,959 --> 04:15:13,280
the experience, you don't have the
balls, you don't have anything that it

3336
04:15:13,360 --> 04:15:18,959
takes to be where your father's already
been. What you gotta not just wrong?

3337
04:15:18,040 --> 04:15:22,799
This business now we're breaking it pumps
out punks every day. Guys.

3338
04:15:22,840 --> 04:15:28,440
I couldn't walk on my shoes thirty
years ago, amotch us. Now that's

3339
04:15:28,479 --> 04:15:33,440
where you're at my life? You
got that, Yes, servant, please

3340
04:15:33,479 --> 04:15:35,479
just listen, No, no,
no, I don't want to listen.

3341
04:15:35,840 --> 04:15:43,840
It's not your turn to talk.
You tonight are gonna be out there alive

3342
04:15:43,959 --> 04:15:48,159
with your dad. And your dad
has promised the world and me that he's

3343
04:15:48,200 --> 04:15:52,879
gonna kick your ass because you need
that and it needs to be an in

3344
04:15:52,959 --> 04:15:56,159
front of the world, the whole
impact world. We need to cheat you

3345
04:15:56,280 --> 04:16:02,079
guys. Respect. I'm sick of
walking on his lock crooms with whitey cry

3346
04:16:02,200 --> 04:16:07,440
little babies just like you. Because
there is sport for men, men a

3347
04:16:07,520 --> 04:16:11,559
blood and sweat and pay the price
to be all round and to make sure

3348
04:16:11,639 --> 04:16:17,639
your got gonna do a soft don't
be surprising it out tonight kicking your ass

3349
04:16:17,680 --> 04:16:21,559
too. So I feel about it. I'll slap you right now. No,

3350
04:16:21,680 --> 04:16:22,520
no, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not screwing on. They

3351
04:16:22,520 --> 04:16:26,200
got to slap it right now,
mister Flair. Please, you better think

3352
04:16:26,280 --> 04:16:30,600
tonight real hard because you gotta deal
with your dad. Then you gotta deal

3353
04:16:30,680 --> 04:16:36,000
with Rick Flair. You got it, got it? Sorry, we'll see

3354
04:16:36,040 --> 04:16:38,920
you later on tonight. I would
really think about what's going on in your

3355
04:16:38,959 --> 04:16:52,559
life right now. Slap Flair fucking
awesome. Just dresses him down. Many's

3356
04:16:52,639 --> 04:16:55,159
right, that's right, what he
deserves. Please don't tell me you have

3357
04:16:55,200 --> 04:16:59,680
any more audio? Eric h oh, yeah, no I do. I

3358
04:16:59,760 --> 04:17:03,319
have the whole fut and main event
programs. Go ahead, the whole the

3359
04:17:03,360 --> 04:17:07,200
whole fucking main event program here.
I like this. So they have a

3360
04:17:07,319 --> 04:17:10,920
match and then they have this because
this is more of a main event Bishop

3361
04:17:11,120 --> 04:17:17,440
versus Bishop God. So fucking awa, here we go. Settle down,

3362
04:17:17,840 --> 04:17:23,479
settle down. I gotta admit it's
someone embarrassing to have your private life,

3363
04:17:23,559 --> 04:17:26,440
your relationship with your own son,
and being played out in front of a

3364
04:17:27,159 --> 04:17:33,079
national and worldwide television audience. And
don't But you know what, that's a

3365
04:17:33,159 --> 04:17:37,879
great thing about families is they can
put things behind them and move on,

3366
04:17:37,399 --> 04:17:41,639
you know. And that's what I'm
hoping we're gonna do right now. So

3367
04:17:42,399 --> 04:17:48,239
Garrett, come on down, let's
let's hear what you have to say.

3368
04:17:49,799 --> 04:17:52,520
I'm sure you'll do the right thing. I know I erased you, right,

3369
04:17:53,000 --> 04:18:03,399
Come on down, Garrett. Give
him a big hair and everybody,

3370
04:18:06,440 --> 04:18:11,799
he made him mistake we're all capable
of. But he is a good kid,

3371
04:18:12,120 --> 04:18:30,760
he really is. I Garrett,
a little while ago, I gave

3372
04:18:30,799 --> 04:18:34,639
you an ultimatum. I told you
what she needed to do, and I've

3373
04:18:34,680 --> 04:18:38,959
given you some time to think about
it, and before you apologize, I

3374
04:18:40,520 --> 04:18:45,000
you know, I just want to
get something off my chest because before there's

3375
04:18:45,000 --> 04:18:48,840
an argument between family members, loved
ones, there's always two sides to every

3376
04:18:48,879 --> 04:18:53,680
corn. So in front of everybody, I want to say that I forgive

3377
04:18:53,760 --> 04:18:59,559
you for what you do. I
forgive you for getting caught up in the

3378
04:18:59,600 --> 04:19:03,520
emotion shit of it all. It's
okay, it's all right. I understand

3379
04:19:03,600 --> 04:19:11,760
what it's like to be young and
ye dumb and letting things you know,

3380
04:19:11,920 --> 04:19:15,120
get to you and cloud your judgment. So that's okay. So that just

3381
04:19:17,200 --> 04:19:22,879
go ahead, Garrett, and tell
the world that you're sorry, look me

3382
04:19:22,920 --> 04:19:26,120
in the eye and apologize to me, and and everything. You'll go right

3383
04:19:26,200 --> 04:19:27,959
back to the way it used to
be. I won't hold it against you.

3384
04:19:29,000 --> 04:19:53,319
Go ahead, Garretts, I said, go ahead. You are pushing

3385
04:19:53,399 --> 04:20:00,079
me to the point or I may
not be able to forgive you you and

3386
04:20:00,319 --> 04:20:10,760
I'm not going to ask again.
Now freaking apologize to me right out frond

3387
04:20:10,799 --> 04:20:15,399
of these people. What a bitch? Do as I say, brother,

3388
04:20:17,239 --> 04:20:53,799
dude, what damn it's apologize to
me. We heard earlier the brick player

3389
04:20:53,920 --> 04:21:00,920
might get involved. I told you, davil Oh I told you it was

3390
04:21:02,040 --> 04:21:07,399
tough. Fuck. Why don't you
treat him like and treating me? Get

3391
04:21:07,520 --> 04:21:12,200
your act together? No, I
ain't gonna take it any Rick fl danity.

3392
04:21:14,559 --> 04:21:18,280
You didn't apologize your old man right
now? Help me? I'm put

3393
04:21:18,840 --> 04:21:22,719
don't I gonna help him on the
rating? You're a record, Rick Flare.

3394
04:21:23,959 --> 04:21:30,959
I'm telling you. I watch you
to not only apologize, I watch

3395
04:21:32,040 --> 04:21:40,559
you and kiss my ass Cort walking
away, forget that. I'm I'm talking

3396
04:21:40,600 --> 04:21:47,440
to you. I said, apologize. I'm not gonna score on you like

3397
04:21:47,559 --> 04:21:56,559
your dad. I'm gonna really missed
you up. I apologize, I apologize,

3398
04:22:00,920 --> 04:22:30,200
I said, Poltizer, he takes
fair. Damn cast. This is

3399
04:22:30,280 --> 04:22:33,920
tough to watch that shore is.
I mean, it's in there work.

3400
04:22:36,200 --> 04:22:41,600
And garretton go off his head right
now, the whole family dirtiest player in

3401
04:22:41,639 --> 04:22:48,479
the game. And Flare just shot
Oh my god, the Garrett and Garrett's

3402
04:22:48,520 --> 04:22:52,600
father never bish off. Just watching
them stuff. How do you watch all

3403
04:22:52,719 --> 04:22:57,120
stuff? How do you watch all
his sound? To watch his show?

3404
04:22:59,479 --> 04:23:07,559
Maybe a disappointment. And ladies and
gentlemen, you've got to join us next

3405
04:23:07,639 --> 04:23:12,440
week on a peck wrestling Ronny from
the Treesy Shore special guest of Eric Young.

3406
04:23:14,159 --> 04:23:18,479
How about the World Championship match next
week to teenage title be defended by

3407
04:23:18,559 --> 04:23:32,120
the new world champion, James Strong
against his blot money Robert Green. That's

3408
04:23:32,200 --> 04:23:37,319
hilarious, kiss my ass fat so
what I also love how they fucking here's

3409
04:23:37,399 --> 04:23:41,079
this this what should be a powerful
segment as a father and you know,

3410
04:23:41,399 --> 04:23:48,719
basically like an unrelated uncle are being
the shit out of the kid and they're

3411
04:23:48,840 --> 04:23:52,639
hyping up next week casually he's getting
stomped to fucking death. Yeah, such

3412
04:23:52,680 --> 04:23:56,239
a bad start to this, Bishop
Eric Garrett, bishof things, so awful,

3413
04:23:57,600 --> 04:24:03,159
so fucking boring, so long,
I know, and also sorry,

3414
04:24:03,280 --> 04:24:07,639
I don't need three fucking segments.
Yeah, he had to do something that

3415
04:24:07,799 --> 04:24:10,719
like has spark he has you had
to do something that's like, okay,

3416
04:24:10,760 --> 04:24:14,559
that's why I care about this guy. Isn't said or done anything. And

3417
04:24:17,040 --> 04:24:19,360
yeah he turned you know, he
turned his dada down for glory, but

3418
04:24:19,399 --> 04:24:22,799
he hasn't expressed himself. You know, it's like I don't know what I'm

3419
04:24:22,159 --> 04:24:26,079
responding to when I choot for this
guy, Like what's what is? He

3420
04:24:27,120 --> 04:24:30,319
sucks man? So this is what's
going to happen. And now that now

3421
04:24:30,399 --> 04:24:33,719
that whole teeny is trying to find
his way off to the sidelines, Bischoff

3422
04:24:33,799 --> 04:24:37,120
is going to go into business himself
to get his kid positioned. You know,

3423
04:24:37,719 --> 04:24:41,799
it's I don't want to just make
the lazy criticism that because he's Bischoff's

3424
04:24:41,879 --> 04:24:44,120
kid, that you know, it's
bullshit, because maybe the kid's good.

3425
04:24:44,200 --> 04:24:47,520
But I don't know, man,
this is just like, who could possibly

3426
04:24:47,559 --> 04:24:51,159
care about this feud? It's like
he's learning on the job. It's like

3427
04:24:51,239 --> 04:24:56,120
he's it's like he's playing pro wrestler
and he's you know, when you play

3428
04:24:56,120 --> 04:24:57,360
a pro wrestler, you come up
with an angle involving you know, the

3429
04:24:57,440 --> 04:25:02,000
people in your ne a circle,
like your dad. And it's like,

3430
04:25:02,719 --> 04:25:07,040
I don't know final impact of this
twenty eleven treatment because Hogan is gone.

3431
04:25:07,079 --> 04:25:11,959
Man. He's not around, yes
for November or December or January February for

3432
04:25:12,000 --> 04:25:17,239
that matter, just like the pattern
was twenty ten going into twenty eleven,

3433
04:25:17,479 --> 04:25:19,799
although that had a lot to do
with the back surgeries and stuff and him

3434
04:25:19,799 --> 04:25:25,479
getting married. But he decided to
re up on that particular plan because when

3435
04:25:25,520 --> 04:25:29,600
a bishop confronted him in the parking
lot and then later he came out and

3436
04:25:29,680 --> 04:25:32,920
then Garrett beat up on Eric.
That was the last time we saw Hogan

3437
04:25:32,959 --> 04:25:36,639
in twenty eleven. That's so crazy. They taped the tapings back on the

3438
04:25:36,719 --> 04:25:40,440
road and tape one last time for
twenty eleven and making Georgia's that twenty eleven

3439
04:25:40,479 --> 04:25:44,959
experiment continues an expensive one. Kevin
Kay of Spike TV set around this time

3440
04:25:45,040 --> 04:25:47,879
quote, it was a mutual decision. Dixie and Eric came in and pushed

3441
04:25:47,920 --> 04:25:49,360
forward. I always wanted to do
it. It's great to have a home,

3442
04:25:49,399 --> 04:25:52,280
but you don't get the level of
excitement as you do on the road.

3443
04:25:52,319 --> 04:25:55,600
It adds another level. We're continuing
discussions. We haven't seen a ratings

3444
04:25:55,639 --> 04:25:57,680
bump, but you can't judge ratings
week tweaks. Some weeks things happen like

3445
04:25:57,719 --> 04:26:02,040
competition, even though TENA holds up
well against sports. As we can afford

3446
04:26:02,079 --> 04:26:03,920
to continue it or increase it,
it's a financial decision. It adds a

3447
04:26:03,920 --> 04:26:10,239
lot of excitement and vibrancy to the
show. Dixie said around this time too,

3448
04:26:10,319 --> 04:26:12,399
that we know that it would be
important to take impact out and tour.

3449
04:26:12,520 --> 04:26:15,200
But when I talk about running this
company like a business, I don't

3450
04:26:15,200 --> 04:26:18,040
put my head on the pillow every
night without thinking about staying in business and

3451
04:26:18,159 --> 04:26:22,799
turning a profit and giving these great
wrestlers and fans a company ten fifteen to

3452
04:26:22,799 --> 04:26:26,920
twenty years from now. We have
to make good business decisions. Touring is

3453
04:26:26,959 --> 04:26:30,399
extremely expensive. It's extremely expensive to
take a production like we have on the

3454
04:26:30,479 --> 04:26:33,840
road for television. We have to
be smart about it. Yes we know

3455
04:26:33,920 --> 04:26:37,000
it's critical, Yes we know it's
absolutely the next step in the evolution of

3456
04:26:37,079 --> 04:26:38,399
TNA for us to grow, we
need to take Impact on the road.

3457
04:26:40,719 --> 04:26:42,959
And they didn't really do we have
to or much don't really want to,

3458
04:26:45,239 --> 04:26:48,760
I know, so they save there
was a twenty one hundred fans here and

3459
04:26:48,840 --> 04:26:53,680
make in Georgia not a bad crowd, and they kind of saved the big

3460
04:26:53,959 --> 04:27:00,600
switch over from James Storm to Bobby
Root for this taping. Why that was

3461
04:27:00,639 --> 04:27:03,959
one thing. You knew that they
were going to do big things when they

3462
04:27:04,000 --> 04:27:07,159
did an Impact on the road,
probably a title change. I mean,

3463
04:27:07,239 --> 04:27:12,079
but why don't you fucking you know, wait for a pay per view on

3464
04:27:12,159 --> 04:27:15,399
the road And that just tells you
all you need to know about how asked

3465
04:27:15,399 --> 04:27:18,680
backwards their view of pay per view
was, I mean, with the exception

3466
04:27:18,719 --> 04:27:21,559
of Bound for glory, that which
cracks me up, Like, you know,

3467
04:27:21,600 --> 04:27:22,879
pay per view was dead. All
we care about his ratings and stuff.

3468
04:27:23,799 --> 04:27:26,840
They still peak for Bound for glory, hope, and wrestling is still

3469
04:27:26,879 --> 04:27:30,799
on bound for glory. But all
the other pay per views they just did

3470
04:27:30,879 --> 04:27:34,399
not care. They did not care. They assumed no no matter how hard

3471
04:27:34,440 --> 04:27:40,479
they worked, they would be sacrificing
putting impactful ratings things on the on the

3472
04:27:40,520 --> 04:27:42,600
free television to promote a pay per
view that, no matter how hard they

3473
04:27:42,680 --> 04:27:47,079
hit it, not enough people would
buy it for to make financial sense compared

3474
04:27:47,120 --> 04:27:51,959
to putting all that effort and focus
into TV and keeping Spike happy. And

3475
04:27:52,639 --> 04:27:56,159
they're the key source of revenue paying
for the show Jesus. So yeah,

3476
04:27:56,159 --> 04:27:59,399
it's it's a fucking disaster, because
what makes good wrestling television building a pay

3477
04:27:59,399 --> 04:28:03,479
per view? Right, Great wrestling
television isn't a version of a pay per

3478
04:28:03,520 --> 04:28:07,479
view, a fucking diet pay per
view every two three weeks. It's not

3479
04:28:07,639 --> 04:28:11,319
that, it's it's tuning in to
be along for the ride. It's like

3480
04:28:11,360 --> 04:28:14,200
any other television show that builds and
builds to a season finale, and that's

3481
04:28:14,200 --> 04:28:17,639
what the pay per view is.
I don't know whatever, I think.

3482
04:28:17,639 --> 04:28:21,760
I think the fucking verdict is in
doing it right. Your pay per view

3483
04:28:21,840 --> 04:28:25,319
numbers are up even if you ignore
it, although you're certainly not doing yourself

3484
04:28:25,319 --> 04:28:27,719
any favors. And if your pay
per view numbers are down, you're failing.

3485
04:28:29,239 --> 04:28:33,079
Period. The fucking ratings aren't.
If they have bright spots, they

3486
04:28:33,120 --> 04:28:36,479
have these sort of like aberrant big
numbers that make you think, okay,

3487
04:28:36,479 --> 04:28:38,280
they actually have if they put the
pieces together and just the right way,

3488
04:28:38,319 --> 04:28:41,920
they actually can start to show growth
and then like two weeks later they're back

3489
04:28:41,920 --> 04:28:45,479
to what they were before. Hogan
and bishof walking in the door even below

3490
04:28:45,559 --> 04:28:49,639
that. In some cases it's just
not it's there's no way that's what you

3491
04:28:49,760 --> 04:28:53,120
expected to see when you committed to
pay these two fucking two and a half

3492
04:28:53,200 --> 04:29:00,600
mill at whatever it is together all
right. So they have a rude come

3493
04:29:00,600 --> 04:29:03,120
out talking about all the success and
his cy James Storm. We were both

3494
04:29:03,159 --> 04:29:06,440
struggling at singles in the company,
but when we came together, we were

3495
04:29:06,479 --> 04:29:08,680
an overnight success. Says, Let's
steal the show, blow the roof off

3496
04:29:08,719 --> 04:29:11,399
the son of a bitch and of
the match of our lives. So they

3497
04:29:11,440 --> 04:29:14,120
frame it up as Bobby Rude versus
James Storm, best buddies going for the

3498
04:29:14,239 --> 04:29:18,079
championship, friendly competition. Later,
Garrett Bischoff comes up, comes off and

3499
04:29:18,120 --> 04:29:21,920
says, I'm sorry I didn't do
this years ago, and knocks Eric Bischoff

3500
04:29:21,959 --> 04:29:27,799
down with the right hand and staying
backs him up doing that world title match.

3501
04:29:29,079 --> 04:29:30,760
Bobby Rude hits the ring to different
music. That should be a tell

3502
04:29:33,280 --> 04:29:36,639
I know I no beer money music. He'll beer money music. And James

3503
04:29:36,680 --> 04:29:40,879
Storm comes out with the teenage World
Heavyweight Championship and a beer pours a bit

3504
04:29:40,920 --> 04:29:44,200
down. A guy in the front
rows throat Jeremy Borash with the announcements,

3505
04:29:44,319 --> 04:29:48,920
Brian Hebner presiding Storm versus Rude for
the championship, beer money chant and they

3506
04:29:48,959 --> 04:29:52,280
slap hands, and he talks about
all those years being close to secting every

3507
04:29:52,319 --> 04:29:56,040
move did Storm and Rude as partners, and now they get to use that

3508
04:29:56,079 --> 04:29:59,040
against each other, those insights.
Tess says, good about that. What

3509
04:29:59,120 --> 04:30:02,760
about the closeness do you you established
traveling and sharing gyms and cars, hotel

3510
04:30:02,840 --> 04:30:04,440
rooms all those years. I don't
know what that has to do with winning

3511
04:30:04,440 --> 04:30:08,559
a championship, but that's fine.
Seriously, what the fuck appling exchanges early,

3512
04:30:08,680 --> 04:30:14,399
Roots slams the knee, hits a
body slam and Missus a knee drop,

3513
04:30:14,479 --> 04:30:17,319
and then James Storm hits a body
slam and Missus knee drops a boss.

3514
04:30:17,600 --> 04:30:21,479
They're they're the same person, they're
mirror images that they exactly, they

3515
04:30:21,559 --> 04:30:25,399
know exactly what each one needs to
do, each one is going to do

3516
04:30:25,520 --> 04:30:26,760
to each other. Arm drags out
of arm ringers, et cetera. They

3517
04:30:26,799 --> 04:30:30,040
exchange hard shops in the corner,
but Rude pulls ahead, and then Rude

3518
04:30:30,079 --> 04:30:33,799
whiffs on a rolling next snap and
Storm hits a high knee off the ropes

3519
04:30:33,799 --> 04:30:36,760
for two. Storm them with the
multiple larids in the corner like these Roman

3520
04:30:36,840 --> 04:30:40,959
rains or something, and Root hits
the corner and britochets off the buckle and

3521
04:30:41,000 --> 04:30:44,239
clothes lines down Storm. Rude climbs
to the top rope, Storm cuts him

3522
04:30:44,239 --> 04:30:47,520
off. Storm goes up after him
and superplexes him. They come up exchanging,

3523
04:30:47,559 --> 04:30:48,959
Storm pulls ahead, hits a high
backdrop, Root cuts him off with

3524
04:30:49,000 --> 04:30:53,799
a blockbuster. For two has refers
to his head as a bean, his

3525
04:30:55,000 --> 04:30:59,520
bean, the back of his beankind
problem. Storm off the top of the

3526
04:30:59,559 --> 04:31:03,600
crossbo but Rude rolls through for two. James Storm cries the eye of the

3527
04:31:03,639 --> 04:31:06,360
Storm. That's spinning a razor's edge
kind of move, but Rud drops down

3528
04:31:06,440 --> 04:31:08,600
hits a spinebuster for two, Storm
of the clothesline. Both hit the floor.

3529
04:31:08,959 --> 04:31:11,840
Ref counts up to eight. We'll
both get back in the ring.

3530
04:31:11,879 --> 04:31:15,280
Storm tries at draping DDT as Bobby
Rude re enters, but Rude explodes into

3531
04:31:15,280 --> 04:31:19,719
the cross face and starts yanking.
Rude hooks off James Storm's arm as he

3532
04:31:19,719 --> 04:31:23,799
reaches for the rope, Storm gets
foot on instead. This I think it's

3533
04:31:23,840 --> 04:31:29,760
around this time. It's it's pretty
funny where you got I got this one

3534
04:31:29,840 --> 04:31:33,719
clip? We get Rude in the
cross face, and Rude is just screaming

3535
04:31:33,760 --> 04:31:37,360
over Today's commentary, yelling at Storm
to tap. Yes, it's funny,

3536
04:31:42,760 --> 04:31:45,879
that's funny. That last one is
the funniest one. Please please tap,

3537
04:31:47,799 --> 04:31:52,079
please taps you in the balcony.
Wrestling twenty Seriously, that's exactly what I

3538
04:31:52,120 --> 04:31:56,879
was thinking. Oh he's he's yanking
on it for sure. Um, they

3539
04:31:56,959 --> 04:32:00,520
chant this is wrestling. He purchased
him up on the top. His Rude

3540
04:32:00,520 --> 04:32:03,639
tries a superplex, but Storm,
but do they chant that wrestling now?

3541
04:32:03,719 --> 04:32:07,000
They've never got that one going,
unfortunately, or Unpact Wrestling for that matter,

3542
04:32:07,319 --> 04:32:11,399
not until years and years later.
That's really from the Gordbuster drops Rude

3543
04:32:11,440 --> 04:32:14,239
stomach first off the top rope and
then drops a big elbow from uptop to

3544
04:32:14,559 --> 04:32:17,120
James Storm. That gets too Storm
trying to set up the superkick. It's

3545
04:32:17,120 --> 04:32:19,799
cod he's spun around Fisherman suplex attempt. No, it's reversed into the referee

3546
04:32:21,639 --> 04:32:23,559
almost running. Definitely he's James Strom, but he holds up the last minute.

3547
04:32:23,600 --> 04:32:27,239
Rude then is a corner charge and
hebner hits the floor and sells like

3548
04:32:27,319 --> 04:32:32,000
he twisted his knee big time.
I do prefer this then a referee acting

3549
04:32:32,040 --> 04:32:33,239
like he's been shot in the head
because someone taps him in the back.

3550
04:32:33,319 --> 04:32:37,280
But I agree, I agree he
sell an injury. He's out there grabbing

3551
04:32:37,319 --> 04:32:41,280
his knee and agony at ringside.
But by the way, did you notice

3552
04:32:41,319 --> 04:32:45,040
too, by the way, with
this match, the fucking Mike's underneath the

3553
04:32:45,159 --> 04:32:51,319
ring. Holy shit, like everything
that every bump felt like they fell a

3554
04:32:51,440 --> 04:32:56,760
hundred feet. It was thunder noticed. It was like I noticed. It

3555
04:32:56,760 --> 04:33:00,399
would be more intense than I've ever
heard any TNA it was like a WrestleMania

3556
04:33:02,399 --> 04:33:07,599
ring. Really, it's like a
boom everything. It was very impactful.

3557
04:33:07,799 --> 04:33:11,040
Well, Rude hit with a facebuster
and hits the floor. And then this

3558
04:33:11,119 --> 04:33:14,479
is a big s a big cinematic
moment. Here we go. He looks

3559
04:33:14,479 --> 04:33:17,560
over to the ring steps and he
notices that that's where James Storm left his

3560
04:33:17,680 --> 04:33:22,159
left his glass giver beer. Indeed, it's symbolic, to say the least.

3561
04:33:22,759 --> 04:33:26,880
And they take the shot of the
beer bottle and Storm look and Rude

3562
04:33:26,919 --> 04:33:30,360
looking at it from behind the steps. They frame it. They have a

3563
04:33:30,479 --> 04:33:36,520
moment of cinema here, indeed,
and as Hebner rolls back into the ring,

3564
04:33:36,599 --> 04:33:40,240
selling his whole fucking thing like,
oh, do I do it?

3565
04:33:40,400 --> 04:33:42,680
Should I do it? He's wrestling? Should I not? But he does

3566
04:33:42,720 --> 04:33:47,799
it. He grabs the beer bottle. Storm reaches through the ropes and Bobby

3567
04:33:47,880 --> 04:33:51,720
Rude turns heels smashing the beer bottle
over his buddy's head. Gets in the

3568
04:33:51,799 --> 04:33:56,279
ring and despite the glass shards everywhere, Brian Hembert looks right past it.

3569
04:33:56,080 --> 04:34:00,439
Decay, what happened? All right, let's go for the PM to count

3570
04:34:00,479 --> 04:34:04,919
the one, two, three,
Bobby Rude becomes the TENA World Heavyweight Champion,

3571
04:34:04,959 --> 04:34:10,759
pinning James Storm in the March third
two November third at twenty eleven Impact.

3572
04:34:11,720 --> 04:34:17,599
What was that about. He's gonna
turn heel. Now, Let's build

3573
04:34:17,680 --> 04:34:19,680
him for like a year to be
the baby face world champ and then have

3574
04:34:19,799 --> 04:34:22,759
him lose, and then when he
does win it he's a heel. Yeah.

3575
04:34:23,040 --> 04:34:26,080
I mean, I don't know.
It was a good heel turn.

3576
04:34:26,759 --> 04:34:30,759
It was a good match, but
I did appreciate him at afterwards. I

3577
04:34:30,799 --> 04:34:37,279
thought this was so funny. So
he wins and before he even gets the

3578
04:34:37,400 --> 04:34:44,240
belt, he taps his fucking wrist
so that Heavner will grab it and raise

3579
04:34:44,319 --> 04:34:45,799
his hand in victory. That was
really funny. Yeah, it was really

3580
04:34:45,880 --> 04:34:52,200
funny. Part of me wonders if
it'll play out. I'm sure it won't,

3581
04:34:52,520 --> 04:34:56,200
but if it will play out because
Angle did everything he could to win,

3582
04:34:56,959 --> 04:35:00,560
you know, he cheated to win
that. He's like, you know

3583
04:35:00,599 --> 04:35:02,639
what, fuck it, I'm gonna
cheat to win. I did I need

3584
04:35:02,720 --> 04:35:06,840
this belt more than anything? Yeah? Yeah, it was. It was

3585
04:35:06,880 --> 04:35:10,959
good. It was it was a
good Angle. It was um it just

3586
04:35:11,119 --> 04:35:15,240
it just didn't It's weird. It's
like, you know, all right,

3587
04:35:15,319 --> 04:35:18,279
fine, he can be the champion, but he can't be this baby faced

3588
04:35:18,319 --> 04:35:23,680
guy that I lobbied against winning it
band for glory like a bit I found

3589
04:35:23,759 --> 04:35:26,400
for glory. I mean, Jesus, what are you? What are you

3590
04:35:26,479 --> 04:35:30,439
asking here? I show did a
really good rate of seventy zero million viewers

3591
04:35:30,720 --> 04:35:36,080
UM, which is kind of interesting
how they're doing these great numbers and Hogan's

3592
04:35:36,119 --> 04:35:40,240
nowhere to be found, or at
least he's not all the show. Lets

3593
04:35:40,279 --> 04:35:45,000
you maybe you think that you know, oh shit, maybe he isn't that

3594
04:35:45,119 --> 04:35:48,360
important, right, He doesn't make
enough of a difference to justify they cost

3595
04:35:48,400 --> 04:35:51,720
out the door. But I'm sure
it's all Spikes money, right despite what

3596
04:35:51,840 --> 04:35:56,439
we're read and fucking black and white
Nerk Bischof's contract last week. So there

3597
04:35:56,479 --> 04:35:59,520
you have it, um and say
what you will. The interest aside at

3598
04:35:59,520 --> 04:36:00,880
the beginning of the show, But
just like last time, even though it's

3599
04:36:00,919 --> 04:36:04,040
the match they're building towards and it's
clear as day that this is the thing

3600
04:36:04,119 --> 04:36:08,119
to watch. This episode of impact
for the James Storm Bobby Root match does

3601
04:36:08,119 --> 04:36:14,560
a show low quarter hour rating,
so they're just not holding the interest as

3602
04:36:14,599 --> 04:36:18,439
the hours dragged on. Oh I
understand that not holding minds either. And

3603
04:36:18,599 --> 04:36:23,560
that'll pretty much be the case for
the for the last two months of twenty

3604
04:36:23,759 --> 04:36:27,360
eleven because Hulk Cogan is not on
any of the shows. Bobby Rood feuds

3605
04:36:27,360 --> 04:36:30,040
to aj Styles and defends against him. On pay per view, he defends

3606
04:36:30,040 --> 04:36:33,360
against m He continues to feud a
bit with James Storm as well, and

3607
04:36:33,520 --> 04:36:36,919
just kind of goes off to,
you know, be the defending champion.

3608
04:36:36,919 --> 04:36:40,599
He isn't much the same position honestly
that Jeff Hardy was in the fall of

3609
04:36:40,639 --> 04:36:44,639
twenty and ten, you know,
getting annointed champion, turning freshly heel and

3610
04:36:44,919 --> 04:36:51,000
going off and defending against a row
of baby faces until the Hulkster can reinsinuate

3611
04:36:51,119 --> 04:36:56,240
himself into the ten is A and
star making calls and as Bobby rootka exciting

3612
04:36:56,279 --> 04:37:00,200
stuff woist the title tazant Nay Express
Shock. Can't believe Bobby went to this

3613
04:37:00,319 --> 04:37:03,040
level and got it done like this, and Mike Tenais's that's how you treat

3614
04:37:03,119 --> 04:37:08,040
a brother. Bullshit brother. What
who