WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:16.399 Hello, over one, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. I don't 2 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:20.440 know what episode it is, probably fifty nine, fifty eight fifteen. Producer 3 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:25.600 would know, but he's not here. That's Mary Hi, and that's Dan 4 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:31.199 episode fifty eight. No, that's do Dan quick. There's no way you 5 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:37.600 could do is episode fifty eight? Is episode fifty eight? I can't do 6 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:41.600 you think? You know? I don't think so. Well, maybe when 7 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:46.520 he yells, I don't know, that's Jake. He's such a unique voice. 8 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:53.240 It's it's not you can't you can't replicate it. No, that's Jake, 9 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.119 our producer. You've seen him before on our Game of the Year stuff. 10 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.840 Dan is Jake. Dan's at a convention for what is Dan at a 11 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:08.319 convention for? He does like cheese? We have seen a lot of each 12 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:15.439 other since what last episode two. Some say that the reason Dan isn't on 13 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.359 this podcast is because he's sick of us. Yeah, he said, he's 14 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:22.760 I don't want anything to do with you. After our Wine for It trip, 15 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.719 we got quite a few guesses on what the name of the street was. 16 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.359 I guess I could say the name of the street. Now let me 17 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.959 read the guesses. Well, yeah, the owner is gonna be like, 18 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.159 why these people swarming my house? Let me look at the guesses if people, 19 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.359 if you weren't here, Um, last episode, I had talked about 20 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:47.040 how in our group chat for my groom groomsman, party and officiant, whatever 21 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:51.280 you want to say, I told people the address of the street Airbnb to 22 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.879 look for when we went to our bachelor bachelorette combined thing and Dan responded like, 23 00:01:56.079 --> 00:02:00.200 this is like the most self parody ever, and I asked people to 24 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:06.000 guess what it was, so we got I think a lot of tree fucking 25 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:13.560 stuff. Drive. Yeah, there was a street name. Guess this is 26 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:15.719 from Henry, said a longtime listener, first time emailer. It has to 27 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.800 be Arbor Drive. Mike has to bring his two loves together, and nothing 28 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.639 gets him more randy and horny than trees. So he's going out to wine 29 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:28.000 country and upstate New York. That's a good guess love wine and fuck trees 30 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.280 that he'd probably never go to reveal where you went. I hope you do 31 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:31.560 in a future episode, but I definitely leave. It has to be Arbor 32 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:38.280 Drive. We did not upstate New York. Wine Arbery sounds good. Yeah, 33 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:43.759 that's we went to North Fork Long Island Wine Country. Um, let's 34 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.879 see another one. There's a few. It's so funny to like hear guesses 35 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:54.159 of what people would assume. Yeah, a perfect Mikey Street would be if 36 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:59.840 it's like you know, I would expect someone to say like Merlow Drive or 37 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.199 or something like that. What do you what other ones? This is from 38 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.879 Rebar it said, first thing it came to mind as Scott Lane, as 39 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:13.400 Scot Lane, that's just about your fancy style. Yeah, there's a few 40 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.560 more. Someone said. Another one, thirty fourth Arbor Amore Street. That 41 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:24.319 was from Abe So close Mary Kill Drive. I'll show you at some point. 42 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:29.560 Here's another one. Here's one from Rachel high On. Congrats to Mike 43 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:30.840 and Amanda. Thank you very much, Rachel my guest for the wine for 44 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:35.520 it. I'm the lacrosse field is Haven on Hyatt or somewhere around Kiyuka Lake. 45 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.159 I'm very curious if this is correct or in the correct area. It 46 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:39.599 looks beautiful up there, and this has given me ideas for our tenth anniversary 47 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.719 coming up in November. You and a man will be celebrating your ten year 48 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.240 anniversary. In the blink of an eye. I'm sure we will. Um 49 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:49.800 no, but I know where Kiyuka Lake is. I'm from not too far 50 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.280 from there. Wine Fort address from Chris said, gotta be quote unquote tree 51 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.319 fucker Lane, rightee. I think after this last weekend they might want to 52 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.360 change the name the tree fucker Lane. They might as well. Yeah, 53 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.240 I won't say a lot a lot of those trees are not standing anymore, 54 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:13.159 okay. Thomas Thomas one two three eight East. Mike began his career as 55 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.000 a Jedi, but the mental toll of the job for too much for our 56 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.639 great adventurers. YadA YadA, YadA, YadA. Dan off the Grave even 57 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.560 claimed we've seen Mike somewhere in the rooms of Foreign Ast or the haunted Bardowns, 58 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.480 but you can't remember his memories and what he used to be Avenue No, 59 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:29.000 thank you, my God? Would long address that would be every time 60 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:31.680 you had to fill something out. Art says it's fop Doodle Street. Is 61 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.079 that offensive? I don't know what that means, um if it is, 62 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:40.439 well, Jake cut that cut that okay, And I think that's okay. 63 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.439 But we can I guess we can tell people now we were on this is 64 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:48.480 not a joke. Chardonnay Lane a real place called Chardonnay Lane. Damn thought 65 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:54.160 I was joking. It was It was fun. It was very fun. 66 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:57.079 I forgot to tell you. The Airbnb guy gave us a very stellar review, 67 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.480 but he did talk shit about the fact that no one beat his Miss 68 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:04.639 pac Man score. We leave our scores on the tape, he texted me 69 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:10.600 saying he's impressed someone got like half of his score. For the record, 70 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:15.279 it is a very difficult game. I think that the top score that he 71 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.079 left for us to beat was eighty five thousand, and we were all pretty 72 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:24.759 addicted to playing it, and I six of us, five of us. 73 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:29.560 It was mainly you three, and we wouldn't stop. Bonk was into it 74 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:31.920 every once in a while. I felt like Calie played it, but like, 75 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.959 yeah, we were the only ones who were like straight up into it. 76 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.879 But I do want to like clear the air. It's unfortunate Dan isn't 77 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:44.800 here to defend himself. But what really ensued was it started out with a 78 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:53.000 nice, you know, jolly back and forth of scores. Immediately I got 79 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:54.920 a score that I thought was really good. I think it was like, 80 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:00.560 you know, ten twelve thousand, and Dan beat it, and Dan as 81 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:05.079 everyone knows is quite a heel and started just basically being like, oh, 82 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.279 it looks like you don't have the top score anymore. And I was like, 83 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.800 well, you know, the weekend is young, I'm going to beat 84 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.399 you again, and he was like scoreboard, and he just kind of kept 85 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:20.079 poking me a lot. Later on that day, I scored maybe like sixteen 86 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:24.959 thousand, which was pretty good, and I was proud of that, and 87 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.480 I put my name. We started writing our names on tape and putting it 88 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.079 to the left of the board. I took photos of them and shared. 89 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.399 It was like a fun Yeah, we should clarify. It was not full 90 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:43.199 on cabinet. It was like those those tabletop like novelty ones that you can 91 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.480 get, and it was specifically fully functional and the same game that I used 92 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:47.600 to play as a kid. I know it's the same game because when I 93 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.759 was a child, I used to play Missus pac Man all the time and 94 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:59.439 the Frogger game. They they redid them for maybe Sega. It doesn't really 95 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.160 I don't know if I can remember if it was Sega or PlayStation one. 96 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.000 But the point is is like, that's a huge leap. But the point 97 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:08.160 is is I played this game a lot as like a revert, like a 98 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.800 redou as a child, and I remember like being like, if anyone should 99 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:16.120 win this, it should be me. And then Dan got twenty eight thousand, 100 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:23.639 which is insane and nobody could beat it. And as I would get 101 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:29.680 to the machine to play, he would start to kind of look at me 102 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.560 and question the moves I was making, like, oh, I wouldn't go 103 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.720 left there, or I wouldn't go down that way, and if I died, 104 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.600 he'd be like, well, how are you going to beat my score 105 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:46.399 if you die? And I got progressively more pissed at him. He was 106 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:51.000 egging me on. I don't think people are aware of how competitive we both 107 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.120 are and how bad it is for us to be in the same room like 108 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.519 that. You two are competitive and can be heels. Why is what I 109 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:05.360 got? Fucking mad? Got you guys almost ruined the bachelor party. I 110 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.199 was like for hours, and then we look over and Mary's just over there 111 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.720 trying. Yeah. I love I love how you're telling all of like this 112 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.360 whole story, as if any of it's surprising. But I thought at some 113 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.040 point he wouldn't take a fucking break, but he was so he was still 114 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.959 consistently irritat, irritating. I called my sister called me and I was showing 115 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:35.000 her the cabinet and Dan was walking by. This was like on FaceTime, 116 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.279 and my sister was like, hey, just you know Dan, Mary used 117 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.039 to plays game every day as a child. It's her favorite game. And 118 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:48.879 Dan goes, what happened because she's losing. Yeah, your sister walked you 119 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.240 right into that. I love your sister is trying to be nice and you're 120 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:52.840 like, no, no, no, don't say anything, Please don't. 121 00:08:54.360 --> 00:09:01.559 Yeah. I couldn't look at him without him getting his smug face in that 122 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.240 score. And then one I think it was like maybe the second day in 123 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.039 the afternoon, Dan was egging me on while I was playing, and I 124 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.559 warned him and I said, if you come up to me while I plays 125 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:15.480 game today, I'm gonna punch you. And I think we all thought I 126 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.039 was joking. And Dan came up to me when I died, and I 127 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:24.080 socked him really hard in the shoulder and I punched Dan, and I think 128 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:30.679 it kind of jolted both of us that I struck him. You were physical, 129 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.919 no way, and he kind of like chilled out for a bit. 130 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:37.799 And then later on. He came up to me and said, I think 131 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.639 I think we've gone too far, and I said, yeah, I think 132 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.840 we need to chill out the worst parts of it about it I was there, 133 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.279 Oh wait, no, but tell people who had aside from our owner, 134 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.320 who had the top score and what was it by the end of the 135 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.799 weekend. Eventually, at the end of the weekend, after a lot of 136 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:05.039 back and forth, I was victorious with forty nine thousand. Dan hit forty 137 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:11.320 seven thousand really late and almost beat me, but he died and I'm the 138 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.080 winner. Yeah, if you're listening to this episode, please go tweet at 139 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.799 Dan saying I heard Mary kick your ass and missus pac man. He had 140 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.200 everybody. He has lied about it consistently online. Do you know what he 141 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.799 did the very end of the day. He took the tape and ripped my 142 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.559 name and his name and switched them so it looks like his name is forty 143 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.480 nine thousand and mine is forty seven. He switched the name so it looks 144 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:43.639 like he won. Likes petty, petty little fucker, wait so much, 145 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.639 No, but I have I have proof of you getting so you didn't you 146 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:52.360 have two scores that beat his high score I did at the very very end. 147 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.399 He got he got like forty set. He got something really high and 148 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.639 beat my second highest score. I had two highest scores at some point during 149 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.120 the week, and it went back and forth a lot. This is a 150 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:07.279 heated, angry experience. Like Jake knows, what we were doing was we 151 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.600 were getting so addicted. If I, if anybody died in the first three 152 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.840 levels, you just restart, as We're just like restart restart, restart restart, 153 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.200 only like twelve thousand per level, Like you had to make it at 154 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.399 least three levels before you you had a good run. We were obsessed. 155 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.759 Yeah, Mary officially one. If Dan's talking shit, I have fifteen other 156 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:35.360 people there who will corroborate Mary's story. I have photos of my score, 157 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:37.679 and I remember because I flicked off the camera to be like, oh fuck 158 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.200 yourself, Dan, when I finally did it Dan, Dan got the third 159 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.639 highest score. Mary had the two highest. So Dan's not only lying once, 160 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.960 he's lying twice. And here's the other like thing that Dan doesn't know 161 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.720 is I woke up at seven am on Saturday and played it for two hours 162 00:11:54.720 --> 00:12:01.519 before breakfast to beat him. I remember getting up. I was yeah, 163 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.720 like I didn't want him around me because he like he his face. I 164 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.000 was usually one of the other people up and I noticed you were up, 165 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:16.000 Dan, Dan got who solid? No Dan hours of Miss pac Man play 166 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.200 time to beat him and say you had longer than two hours? Fuck you 167 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.480 Dan. I made breakfast, Oh true, Yeah, I made breakfast both 168 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.600 days. I'm a big breakfast head. I noticed it was good. We 169 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.960 uh, it was very fun. It was um my first time out there 170 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.080 actually believe it or not. And then yeah, we went to went to 171 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.080 a vineyard. It was it was a pretty light, lovely party vibes vineyard. 172 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:46.399 We needed a place where we could be like big groups and also a 173 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:52.799 huge thank you and shout to Dylan at Bays Liquor. Bays Liquors. Yeah 174 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.480 uh. When, of course, when a few of us showed up Dylan, 175 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.759 I recognized Dan and then Dan told him we're here for my bachelor bachelorette 176 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.320 thing. And then no matter which group went in to get Seltzer's and booze, 177 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.080 he gave us a big discount. So Dylan at Bays Liquor like basically 178 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.720 lubricated the entire party. Is what you can say if you look at our 179 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:24.720 Instagram updates and stories. You saw that you fueled a lot of flip cup. 180 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.759 You fueled drunken bike rides and hot tubs shenanigans and the heated punch that 181 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:37.120 landed in Dan's bright shoulder blade. It was quite unlike the spectrum of like 182 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:46.759 borderline hillbilly party and like very elegant winery. We kind of ran the whole 183 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.039 the gamut, so to speak. It was it was a it was a 184 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.200 fun time. I had it. We had a great time. I'm still 185 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.440 sad it's over. Yeah, he too, it's a good time. And 186 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.519 Mike, you fucked a lot of trees too, were we all saw it. 187 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.039 Yeah, it was a weird thing to witness, but you know, 188 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.320 what are you gonna do? It's it's it's your it's your party. Yeah. 189 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.720 I was like if you were, if you were really my best man, 190 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:16.600 you'd you'd you'd slip into one too, And you did. No although 191 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.840 you're although like a rookie, you went for a you went for an oak 192 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:24.360 for your first time. Oh is that a little rougher? You tell me 193 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:31.879 you would know? Um, I would say, we uh definitely got a 194 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.480 lot of booze at h at that at that liquor store, so we definitely 195 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.679 got our took advantage of that that discount. So yeah, shout out to 196 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.840 Dylan because it was we could barely carry all of the booze out that first 197 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.120 day. Yeah, and if Dylan's boss is listening, he is so good 198 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:54.039 at his job and he deserves a raise, unless Dylan owns the liquor store, 199 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.799 in which case, congratulations Dylan. Yeah, maybe that's why he was 200 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.399 able to give us a discount. Good for he didn't or he didn't even 201 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.240 work there. He just popped in and was like I got a friends and 202 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.600 family. He killed the owner and was like standing in his place when we 203 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:16.200 arrived it did I did notice Dylan had like two layers of face. Maybe 204 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.399 that's maybe that has something to do with it. He didn't look like he 205 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.080 was wearing a mask made out of someone else's face. When you had peoples 206 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.519 where judge that, when you had people guess where it was going to be, 207 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.120 he knew immediately that it was Chardonnay lane and found the nearest liquor store 208 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:35.759 and took someone's face. Yeah, I can see it. It was fun. 209 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:41.200 Yeah, you you you both you had you didn't have the best airport 210 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:45.519 experience. But you definitely didn't have Dan's delta like a couple weeks ago that 211 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.639 he had to deal with. You beat the thunderstorms. I think, yeah, 212 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.720 just barely. We got there. I think our flight was supposed to 213 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.519 be a nine. We got there at I don't know, six thirty seven 214 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.080 or so, probably seven, and the pilot was like, got stuck in 215 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.399 traffic. Meanwhile there's a thunderstorm rolling in. So I'm nervous because I'm like, 216 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.720 well, there's no thunderstorm, now, let's get the hell out of 217 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.799 here. But the pilot's late. I was nervous because I don't want you 218 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.240 too in my house one more night. I mean I didn't want to. 219 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.240 I didn't want to be in your house one more night either, so we 220 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.759 were all ready to leave it. You know this really like every time there's 221 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.039 travel right now, it is so risky if you're going to make it to 222 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:26.279 your destination on time, if at all. This was one of the ones 223 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.240 where I was sitting in that airport plan plan must switch, and thank God 224 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.559 for the switch in an airport because three hours is quite honestly not so bad 225 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.559 when you have a switch to play. I had a lot of ground to 226 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:48.360 cover. Yeah, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. Um 227 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:55.559 Kentucky zero. Yeah, No, it's just the switch twenty twenty one, 228 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.320 twenty twenty Game of the Year. No, we no, we greed on 229 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:04.160 it for like judge Jake ruled it. I don't think he did. Judge, 230 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.640 can you read the transcripts? No, he's the judge, not the 231 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:15.240 stenographer. He does everything. Oh theraphers hearing me, he's our catchall the 232 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.200 it's not a court aproof stenographer. Sorry, Ira Blank and Ship Jake Decker. 233 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.160 Yes, Kentucky Root zero is the best game of twenty twenty. Michael 234 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:32.279 Mahardi. See I told you so, Mary Kish, that's bullshit, Ira 235 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.920 Blank and Ship. Mary's brandishing a knife. Mike says, finally, let's 236 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:40.720 do this shit. He pulls out two knives and goes at her do a 237 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:49.680 wielding. What do I do? You get stabbed myself? You try? 238 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:55.319 Yeah, I feel like at least windmill or get on my back and start 239 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.119 kicking upwards like kids do. I mean I would do something. You're gonna 240 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:03.839 lose a hand in two feet? You try those moves that those weren't ribs. 241 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.640 We were eating Saturday night. What does that even mean? Chopped up 242 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:15.160 a human? Fuck? That'd be really funny if I revealed at the bachelor 243 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:19.200 party that I was actually a cannibal and inducting you unwillingly. I mean, 244 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.279 if you're speaking of if we all ate human meat, I'd feel much closer 245 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:27.400 to everyone, you know, I mean especially the human you, especially the 246 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:33.000 human Ah. But you know that would have been a moment connection. Yeah, 247 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:40.519 bromanship. Yeah, why not? I don't know. Trying to make 248 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:42.440 light of it. I mean, the thing about it is like if you 249 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.920 told me like a week later, I've already digested it. There's nothing I 250 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:51.680 can do when have the shakes? Though? Is that a thing? Remembering 251 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.480 um Book of Eli, that's how they tell told that there they ate humans. 252 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:02.400 I think that's a movie thing, probably, yeah, because then the 253 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:03.960 road, you know, what's the road? The book is so creepy, 254 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:08.759 and they used they pulled several of the the exact just like the No Country 255 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.400 for Old Men movie, which is better than the Road movie, but the 256 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.599 Road is still good. The Road movie they pulled several lines out of the 257 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.640 book. And when he's talking about like hearing cannibals chanting in the distance that 258 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.000 always fucked with me. He's like by like by winter. There was deranged 259 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:27.319 chanting on the ridge, like ooh, Cormac could get you in one sentence, 260 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:33.440 two words. Even then, the book ends about salmon and a stream 261 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.079 up in the mountains. We still have not figure out a book for the 262 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:38.559 book club. Yeah, we need to do that, but we need Dan 263 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.480 to do it. We can't do it without Dan. Now, speaking of 264 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:48.160 the Nintendo Switch, something that I thought was kind of cute about the party 265 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.759 that you had. It always these types of parties because you're combining friendships and 266 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:59.079 family, you're merging your world your worlds are colliding, and you're hoping that 267 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.960 everybody gets along, and you never know, right, maybe personalities don't get 268 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.799 along or whatever, and we are all getting along really well. But something 269 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:14.759 I thought was very funny was during the day of Saturday, there was a 270 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:22.039 very stark contrast between all the people outside tanning and drinking wine and sitting by 271 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.559 the pool, and then if you went inside, there was six people playing 272 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:34.160 Nintendo's Switch inside watching I Think you should Leave on TV. And they had 273 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:40.640 no sun and the shades were drawn on the TV or on the windows so 274 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:45.039 that no light got in Yeah, and I talked to a man about this, 275 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.279 like we were I guess this is not the same thing, but we 276 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.240 were. I think we're glad we combined them. We knew we wanted to, 277 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:59.119 but we wanted everybody to know one another before the wedding, rather than 278 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.720 just like the guys, or and Mary knowing each other from the bachelor party, 279 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.640 and then Amanda's people knowing each other from I mean, they all I 280 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:12.799 think already knew each other. But it's kind of It was extremely fun weekend, 281 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.839 but it was also I don't know that stressful is the word. There 282 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.799 was definitely certain times when I had to navigate, Like you kind of become 283 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:25.680 a different person when you go between several groups. I've heard people talk about 284 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.079 weddings like this. They're like, yeah, you have to become a different 285 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.920 person. In every conversation you have, you're still the same person, but 286 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.839 like you go up and talk and you meet like your spouse's like cousin, 287 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:40.519 you're all of a sudden, like, I don't know, this person had 288 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.519 to be as somewhat You're not going to talk about fucking trees because they don't 289 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.000 know that side of you yet. And then you know, you gotta be 290 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:52.200 careful of talking to in laws and not make jokes about eating and feeding dead 291 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.039 bodies to your friends because that might not go over well. I mean, 292 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.000 I say it to the mass, to the general public, but not to 293 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:00.759 them because then you go up to the next cousin of like the cousin you 294 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:07.000 used to wrestle with, or like steal fireworks with or something. It was 295 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.880 just it was a nice preview of what the wedding will be like on a 296 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.559 smaller scale, like I still can't wait, but it's it was definitely like 297 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.799 by the end of the weekend, I was just dead. I was like, 298 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:19.599 that's the most I've I used to think I was an introvert. I 299 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:26.240 can actually be I'm fairly extroverted. But that drained me in a good way. 300 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.200 But I was like, oh my god, especially like when I'm cooking 301 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.039 in the kitchen with one of Amanda's friends and then I'm coming out to like 302 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:38.079 serve food and wine for like these friends, and then I'm going to talk 303 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.559 to like my brother and my hometown friends near the bonfire. It's like I 304 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.559 was just like three people in the span of ten seconds. It's a weird 305 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:52.680 thing that humans can do. Your jokes are still bad though, no matter 306 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.680 which group you're with. So there's some things that are the same. I 307 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.319 have a little cheat sheet, but like, I was sweating too much cooking 308 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.960 and I got barbecue saw in my hands, like and see the cheat sheet. 309 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.079 So I was telling tree fucking jokes to Amanda's friends, and then I 310 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:08.480 was telling architecture jokes to you guys. Nobody was laughing. Yeah. I 311 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:14.640 blame it entirely on the cheat sheet, but it was fun. What else 312 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.640 you guys don't do anything? Do you have any travel coming up? I 313 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:18.480 know you do. Do you want to talk about it? Can you talk 314 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.920 about it? Where you going? I don't know if I can talk about 315 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:25.119 it. I don't know. Oh, yeah, you do have travel up, 316 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:26.759 but it's secret travel. Yeah, I think it might be secret, 317 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.000 but it is? Is that the one that I know about? Yeah? 318 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.960 You know about it? Honestly, Maybe we can't talk about it, but 319 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.440 I have gotten almost no details about it except while we were there. Oh, 320 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.240 where it is and what it's Yeah, okay, I know that one. 321 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:41.960 I don't know if you could talk about that. I don't know. 322 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.839 Yeah, I don't know. So Mike, why don't you know whether or 323 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.680 not Jake can talk about his secret travel because I got invited to the same 324 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:55.000 thing, but I like I turned it down for several reasons. But Dan 325 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:57.960 and Jake are going to it. I didn't get any follow ups to say, 326 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:00.599 yes, you can tell people while you're doing this. Something tells me 327 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:06.680 you probably can't because then other press members. I think generally PR does not 328 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:08.759 like you to talk about it because then other press members can get offended that 329 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:14.440 they weren't invited to this. That makes sense. I'm offended that I'm not 330 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:18.279 allowed to go, and I don't even know what it is. I'm going 331 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.119 as you do. We talked about it. No I've forgotten. I don't 332 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:22.880 know. I'm not saying you're remembered, but we told you so many We 333 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.400 had a whole conversation. I have no memory of those you're at You were 334 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:33.240 admins, pac Man drooling. I leave for uh Paris in just a few 335 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:40.079 days, Sunshine State. That would be fun. I'm never asing no one. 336 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.640 I fucking love Paris. You know who should I What should I know? 337 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:48.519 Who? Have you been there with? Mike? Jakie over here? 338 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:55.039 Jakie has been to Paris. Make sure to get two giant beers and walk 339 00:24:55.079 --> 00:25:00.839 along the river and hold them both four four. Yeah, you gotta give 340 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.279 two for you, two for someone else, um, because if you have 341 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.960 any less, it's just not the same. Yeah. The first time, 342 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.960 the things to know, I was worried that people would be dicks to us 343 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.480 as Americans. People are always nice to me in France. I don't know 344 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.079 why. I'm there's always like different advice. It's like, try to speak 345 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:19.559 French so they know you're trying, and then they'll just like be like we 346 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:23.279 could speak English. But in my experience in Paris, it's like, don't 347 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:29.039 even try. They'll that'll insult them more if you don't speak French. Well, 348 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.920 so I was just like, hey, I'm I'm. I don't speak 349 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.240 what you're speaking. I know the basic phrases in there. That's cool. 350 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:37.720 What do you what do you want? What are you up to? And 351 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.160 what do they say that in English? Oh yeah, I means like if 352 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:47.960 you're at a restaurant, they all speak English. It's take advantage of the 353 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.440 open container law on the river for sure, or the lack of an open 354 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.400 container law. Like Jake and I are we were there shooting it? What 355 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.680 were we shooting Rainbow six documentary thing. Our second night there, we just 356 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.359 needed a ton of like nighttime b roule of Paris. So I was like, 357 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:04.640 all right, I'll go get beers. And I went into this cafe 358 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:11.920 and one of their like basic beers that's everywhere is Cronenberg sixteen sixty six, 359 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:14.920 eighteen eighty six, something like that, and I was like, can I 360 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.559 have two Cronenberg's And he's like, sure, you were with someone else, 361 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:18.960 right, I was like, yeah, just two Cronenbergs please, and like 362 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.279 they took that as two each and the only contain It was a nice place, 363 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.440 and I was surprised because the only containers they had for to go drinks 364 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.480 were like big gulp size, Like they were big gulps the cups you get 365 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.559 at gas stations, and I don't know why this nice restaurant had only those. 366 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.880 So and keep mind, Jake had a fairly sizeable camera on him to 367 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.440 get all the b roll. So we're like strolling along the river and at 368 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:48.880 certain points I was like cradling three of these big gulps of beer as we 369 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.319 walked so Jake could get the b roll. But then once we were done, 370 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:57.240 it was very nice weather this time of year will be gorgeous, not 371 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:03.039 too hot. July gets hot there sometimes, I bet I will. I 372 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:08.960 have no real understanding of Paris because I'm not very world traveled. Every time 373 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.960 I've ever gone overseas it's been for work for game Spot. I was very 374 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.480 fortunate to be able to go to Tokyo Game Show than for Twitch I went 375 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:23.920 to Germany in Amsterdam. I really don't get to do these things on my 376 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.240 own, so I don't know a lot about the environment. And I'm also 377 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.640 not a very good travel planner. You know people who are like I have 378 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.400 an agenda and an itinerary and we're going to do this at nine am. 379 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:38.200 I don't do that shit. I get a plane and hope for the best. 380 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.000 And so this is really out of my element and I haven't done enough 381 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:48.079 research. So my plan is to get obviously, lots of food and you 382 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.880 know, croissants and things and chocolate. I heard chocolate's really good there. 383 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.720 That's it. I don't really have a lot of plan. Yeah, I 384 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.880 mean this is since you've never been. This is kind of cliche, but 385 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.319 I think it's worth going to the Eiffel Tower. But do it at night 386 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.359 and wait and there's like just people selling beer there. Usually especially during the 387 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.960 summer. They're just hanging out that you can just give them like two years 388 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:11.799 and they'll give you a beer. And it's kind of cool to just like 389 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.599 sit on the lawn in front of the Eiffel Tower and drink a beer. 390 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:22.279 Drinking a beer, what's the tipping zitch for those beers. There's no tipping 391 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:29.920 the general they they treat their servers like people there. Interesting, yeah, 392 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.480 yeah, but I agree. I was actually gonna say, if you're gonna 393 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:34.720 do like one touristy thing, do the lawn in front of the Eiffel Tower 394 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.680 go at like eight thirty, because I think it's like I forget the times. 395 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.680 I think it's ten and eleven. There's it lights up with like the 396 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.240 light show. But yeah, people just carry these tin buckets around. Then 397 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.960 you can buy beers from them. I will say it is a very good 398 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.119 city to not have a plan in because you can just wander around, find 399 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.279 this random cafe, sit on the street, people watch, get really good 400 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.319 coffee. It's my favorite thing we did in Amsterdam was dink around and find 401 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.640 a cafe and be like, all right, we're ordering meat and cheese. 402 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:10.319 And bread and booze, and we're gonna look at humans one o one thing 403 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:17.240 as like a danger. The airport is set up such if you're taking a 404 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.240 taxi from the airport to wherever you're staying. Many of the many of the 405 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:27.599 taxi ports, like next to the arrivals section, you stand in a line 406 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.480 and wait for the next taxi. If someone comes up to you and on 407 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.359 the other side of these like glass panes or whatever and is trying to like 408 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.759 say, hey, come come in my car or whatever. Those are like 409 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.640 the black cabs they're called, and those they'll they won't tell you that they're 410 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.079 going to charge you like three hundred euro until you're in Paris. They're kind 411 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.599 of like they will prey on you. So no, just get in the 412 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:55.000 line, wait for the actual yellow taxis there fox. One time in San 413 00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:00.440 Diego, I made a mistake. It was right after I had finished working 414 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.279 and I was going to a bar that I couldn't walk to. I needed 415 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:10.599 to travel quicker, and one of those rickshaw biker guys came by and was 416 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:15.160 like, you want to get in this in this easy device and I'll ride 417 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.359 you there real quick. And I was like yeah, and I just without 418 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.200 questioning it and without asking him how much it costs. I got in that 419 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:33.160 goddamn contraption, and I would say, like halfway there, I was like, 420 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:38.599 there's no meter and there's no way to determine how much you're charging me. 421 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:45.119 He arrived, he was like, that will be eighty dollars. It 422 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.119 was like ten blocks at that point. Oh my god. You could just 423 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:55.200 be like fuck you, here's twenty and they'll be like all right. So 424 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.839 vulnerable, I just gave him the money. I was a couple of months 425 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.400 ago and we had just been on the train for hours and hours and hours 426 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.200 and we're just trying to get to our airbnb. So we walked off the 427 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.599 train station is Rome. It was the Grand Central station whatever, the big 428 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.119 station in the center, and we walk out and we're waiting for these cabs 429 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.160 and just no one's helping us, Like everyone is just they have a schedule 430 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.240 and we're just not in the schedule. So we're just standing there and this 431 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.880 guy comes up and he's like he's like, hey, where are you getting? 432 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.319 And I was like, oh, right here. He didn't speak English, 433 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.680 he spoke he spoke Spanish, and I know a little bit Spanish. 434 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.200 And Callie, my partner, also knew some Spanish too, so we're able 435 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.880 to like tell him here's where we're going. He was like, he's like, 436 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.559 oh, I got a cab. Do you want to ride? We 437 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.599 were like, sure, let's do it. We're with a couple other people 438 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.599 and he takes us out to the parking lot and then pass the parking lot, 439 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.079 and then even further and even further, and we're carrying all this luggage 440 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.039 and I was like, oh my god, what the fuck have we done? 441 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.440 Keep going, keep going, And finally we get to this the shittiest 442 00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.799 look in Toyota I think I've ever seen pops the trunk and he's like, 443 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.359 all throw your stuff in. And it was me, Kellie and two of 444 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:06.279 my friends, and we're just like, all right, we're here. Throw 445 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.079 all the stuff in so much that it weighed the car down that it couldn't 446 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.839 go over any of the bumps. It was just scratching on the bottom. 447 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.319 They're like, oh god, it's gonna be good, and he starts driving 448 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.400 us there. In the entire time, I'm like, what the fuck have 449 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.279 I done? Like this is so stupid. So I have the I have 450 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.000 the destination on my map up and I'm following every turn he makes, just 451 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:30.359 in case, and I'm texting my friend in the back, who's another tall 452 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:31.799 dude, and it's like, Okay, if he makes a wrong turn, 453 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.680 I'm gonna like knee him in the neck and then turn off the ignition. 454 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.079 We're just gonna get out and run. And he's like, yeah, I'll 455 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.279 strangle him from behind. And we're getting there and all of a sudden, 456 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.279 we haven't said anything. Then all of a sudden, he's just like, 457 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.720 hey, do you guys like music. I'm like sure, and then he 458 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.720 just turns on this album that he wrote himself entirely, and it is so 459 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.440 bad. Listen to it for like the twenty minute drive. And we get 460 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.039 there. We're like, come a shoot, and he's like, I just 461 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.079 fifteen euro and I was like, oh my god, this guy didn't kill 462 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:06.279 us. All we had to do is listen to his music. And and 463 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.160 so I was like, I'm gonna give him extra because fifteen seems pretty cheap 464 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.119 for this, and he didn't kill us, So I gave him. So 465 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.519 I gave him like thirty or forty or something like that, and he's like, 466 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.400 oh, here, I'll give you CDs too, and I was like, 467 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:15.839 no, no, no, I don't want the CDs. Just let 468 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:22.440 I'll pay you more if you don't give me CDs. But yeah, it 469 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:28.519 gave me faith in humanity a little bit, because every time I've traveled anywhere, 470 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.799 everyone, especially outside of the United States, everyone's like, only take 471 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.359 official cabs. You should still do that. I do not recommend taking non 472 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:39.240 official cabs. No, however, you were risky, very risky, very 473 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.839 lucky. But he turned out to just be a nice Italian man who wanted 474 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.079 He was clearly trying to hustle his soundtrack, which were trying to get people 475 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.720 to listen to it. We were American. He probably thought we were, 476 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.359 like, I don't know, had connections to Hollywood or something like that, 477 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.319 because they're from California. I was like, listen like it. I'm like, 478 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.519 no, you can't play guitar for ship, but damn can he drive 479 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.079 a mean taxi? Yeah? And we grinded every speed bump on the way. 480 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:10.840 He can't keep a tune, but his prices are reasonable. Did you 481 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.639 what do you think of Rome? I have a friend who went for the 482 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.480 first time, like recently on his honeymoon. It was beautiful a friend and 483 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:25.159 Rachel Hi, Rachel Hi, Rachel Hi Hi rouch Okay, Um, how 484 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.960 would you think of Room? It is great. I liked it a lot. 485 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.599 It is it is a big city, so it can be tough to 486 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.920 get around if you don't want to use public transit, and the public transit's 487 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:37.920 decent, but it's it can be kind of a pain to navigate, just 488 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:44.280 because there's so many fucking people and the streets are so tiny depending on where 489 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.599 you are in the city, and there's so many tourist attractions that like, 490 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.960 certain pockets of the city are just packed, but there's a lot of really 491 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.320 cool stuff. Like Mary, I know you're going for a couple of days 492 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.679 right to room. No, you are thinking of a list. So I'm 493 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:06.719 going home. So I have a strict one one to two weeks away from 494 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.840 my dog requirement and I just can't leave him for any more than that, 495 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.599 So I won't be going. I will be going to the Amalfi Coast, 496 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.639 which I don't know that much about that either, but apparently that is a 497 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:27.639 coast in Italy. Pretty um, Czechoslovakia, did you make a money gesture? 498 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:32.320 Okay, yeah, I don't think I'll be there for very long, 499 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.039 and then I go home, So that's it for me. I will probably 500 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.760 do a classic staycation, which is where I just sit in my house and 501 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:49.559 decompress after an enormous amount of work has been completed and just and just like 502 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.039 lay there with my dog, which is my favorite thing to do. Quite 503 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.679 frankly, if I could take my dog to the Amalfi Coast, I would 504 00:35:54.679 --> 00:36:00.039 do it. He'd enjoy it. I'm sure wouldn't. I wouldn't. He 505 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.320 would spart it up. Yeah, he would have such a good time. 506 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:08.320 Mafis would not be a destination after Seaman comes so far. He'd be like 507 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.239 Laura, but he's just bark. He thinks that's what he's saying. But 508 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.480 he's just like wow, wow, he's just yelling at people. Got joint 509 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:27.519 bat, babe please, and then each woo like here's here's dog food. 510 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.599 He deserves to see the coast. He loves the beach. Most dogs love 511 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.360 the beach. They get to run with the sand between their paws. It's 512 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.480 so cute. Does he like the water, No, he won't touch the 513 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.599 water. But my favorite he plays his game where he runs to sniff Poseidon's 514 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.679 ass and then as the waves come in, he sprints back as suit as 515 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.719 quick as possible. He never lets the water even touch him, but come 516 00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:01.159 wants to be in there, come back. Whatever it goes out and then 517 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.039 it comes back in. This is crazy, mom. So do you guys 518 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.239 prefer like a vacation that's like, go, go go seeing all this shit 519 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:15.880 or do you prefer a relaxing one where you're not doing a whole lot relaxing 520 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.800 us I usually try depending on how long I'm somewhere. I like like a 521 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:27.119 day of touristy stuff the rest, Like I've been in Paris, I already 522 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.000 said I've been three times. Like when we went to Osaka, I went 523 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:36.159 with two more and that was pretty fun because I actually really like work trips 524 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.400 because I feel like I've earned the vacation after I do those like two or 525 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.159 three days of work, and then the rest of the time I get to 526 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.800 hang out. But we did some touristy stuff we went to like Osaka Castle, 527 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.119 but there was another day where we just kind of wandered the alleys of 528 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.239 Osaka and the canals and whatnot, popped in a random places that looked like 529 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:54.840 that good food. Because yeah, I can't I can't do like if I 530 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.639 can't go places where someone's like, here's your here's our tinerary, and like, 531 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.480 yeah, this sucks. Like sure, if we have reservations somewhere on 532 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.000 X day and then we want to go to the Eiffel Tower lawn on why, 533 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.320 Like sure, let's do that. But by and large, I like 534 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:17.719 to just kind of wander and explore. I have a loose itinerary that you 535 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.360 can deviate from. Yeah, I agree, I'm with you. It's very 536 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:30.679 rare that I make any plans ever. And on top of that, my 537 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:37.840 favorite, most incredible memories traveling of all time are the things that happened that 538 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.800 I did not predict, that happened because I was walking the streets a little 539 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.119 drunk. And those are the memories that I treasure and keep in my heart. 540 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:52.719 When I went to TGS for the first time, Peter Brown was working 541 00:38:52.760 --> 00:39:00.559 at Game Spot. We walked those streets for like four hours us one night 542 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:06.119 until like the crack of dawn, and we loved it and we just walked 543 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.559 around looking at like the streets, drinking. It was great. I'll never 544 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.559 forget it. It's a core memory for me. That's like literally last weekend 545 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:23.360 we the garage was decked out with like seven or eight really nice bikes, 546 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.639 like several of them were like brand new. And then one day while we 547 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.239 were like, some people were napping. I'm not a nap person, and 548 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.840 a lot of but a lot of people like need to get away and get 549 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.440 to their go to their bedroom that they had and then napped for a bit. 550 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:38.320 I'm like, all right, cool, now I'll swim for a bit. 551 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:40.159 Or I was like, oh, people are going on a bike ride, 552 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.920 let's go. And we weren't in a rural area, but it also 553 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.800 wasn't quite the suburbs. I mean it was we were fairly close to beaches. 554 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.440 It was more like this heavily wooded, very nice house area with like 555 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:59.880 acres for lawns, and you two were there. We went we randomly was 556 00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:01.199 like, oh, that's one's bike ride. So like six of us on 557 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.280 this, like after this fog had descended for the night, went on this 558 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.400 bike ride and it was very Stranger Things esque. And then my two friends 559 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:14.960 who had done some exploring the day before, led us to this like murder 560 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:21.119 bike path, like the bare minimum of what it consists of a trail in 561 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.480 the woods, and then we come out and all of a sudden there's this 562 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:31.679 combination pharmacy, pizza parlor, Delhi bodega, and we all like that. 563 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.480 We all like, we all like, you know, like did the skid 564 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.760 break in the parking lot right next to a motorcycle because we were cool. 565 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:47.880 And Mary goes in and goes to buy beers and gets warm Modelos and he's 566 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.280 like, you can't really drink those in the park or she you were like, 567 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:52.199 do you have a bottle open or so you can't drink them in the 568 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.000 parking lot. Or here, here's some brown bags. There's like six of 569 00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.960 us drinking Modelos out of brown bags on bicycles and so funny. One of 570 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.239 my most my favorite, that'll be like the one of the core memories of 571 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.239 the trip for sure. That was really lovely. We had a really good 572 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:15.039 time and it was good like how cool people were with doing doing things that 573 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.400 you can't plan and that didn't go exactly according to plan either, right, 574 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.679 like the fact that I ran in there hoping that he would have beer, 575 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.800 and as the door was closing, you were like, I'll drink a madello 576 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:30.320 And so I went to the fridge and grabbed Madelo's and immediately recognize that they 577 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.800 were not cold, but I was like, whatever, I'm here, I'm 578 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.440 not going to do anything about it. Uh, and then making sure that 579 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:44.280 we could legally drinks even fairly drunk at that point because they seemed pretty cold 580 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:45.480 when I had it. I didn't even think about it. I just it 581 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:51.039 might I just probably just put them in there. Yeah. It was fun 582 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.360 though, But yeah, I think I think you'll like Paris. It's an 583 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.760 easy city to just kind of wander in and find a really I mean, 584 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.119 you can find very bad restaurants for sure. Yeah. I think the worst 585 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.159 meal I've ever had was that place we went to on the North Bank, 586 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.440 which was just awful. It was the worst steak worst with me and oh 587 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.480 yeah, it was like because you were there a day before me, or 588 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:14.880 like a half day before me, so you weren't not jet lagged, but 589 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.880 you like I had just got there at eight in the morning, which California 590 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:24.440 time, that's midnight the night before depending on the time of year. So 591 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.880 I'm just an extremely jet lagged and I was like, yeah, let's just 592 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.360 go to this place. It looks good, get steak and eggs. It 593 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.840 was awful. We didn't realize we were at like the center of the shitty 594 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.920 tourists mecca. And then the next I think the next night I had like 595 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:44.480 one of the best meals in a long time. Oh was that the one 596 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:50.119 where we all went out in Paris? Oh? I thought it was your 597 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.639 bachelor party. I wasn't there. The food there was really good. Um. 598 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.159 Oh yeah? What was that bookstore that we were at, because that's 599 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.320 that's a pretty cool spot. Even if I don't know, you don't plan 600 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.639 on getting books that, it's still cool checking out. It's like what three 601 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.679 levels of books and there's a bunch of cats that live there and Shakespearean Company 602 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:13.960 Shakespeare comes. Yeah, there's a cat literally on a hot tin roof and 603 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.440 he's big, and there's a sign that says please don't pet him, he 604 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.840 doesn't like it, just enjoy him from a distance. That's that's like a 605 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.679 fun tourist the area though, because what's the Musee Dorsay is right next to 606 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.440 it, which is a very good museum. If you're not feeling the louver, 607 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.440 go see a lot of vango over at muz Dorsay. In the winery 608 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:38.760 that we went to, uh for your bachelor party, there were goats, 609 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:45.119 and there was lama. Sure, there was like eight signs on the fence 610 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.480 saying do not put your fingers in this fence. They will bite you. 611 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.760 And it said it in different ways. Don't pet them, they'll bite you. 612 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.800 Don't look at them, they'll bite you. Don't come over here. 613 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.840 God damn it. And it's just like how many Dunken winery people stuck their 614 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.199 fingies in that fence, probably a decent amount. I think the lama could 615 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.480 lama bite your finger off. I think they could do any damage. Yeah, 616 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.760 I know horses can't like if you feed them, like if you don't 617 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.480 feed them with a flat palm, they can like think it's a carrot and 618 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.760 bite your fingers off. Oh yeah, I could see horses wrecking your philanges, 619 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.280 see crocodiles wrecking everything. That's why I don't go near those things. 620 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.440 So I don't go to Florida. I've been to Florida. It was fun. 621 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.599 Florida. I hardly Noah, I know the last thing. Yeah, 622 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:42.519 well, you're in Paris, Mary. If there's if there are any museums 623 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.760 or anything you want to go to, book tickets now to go there, 624 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.599 because if you try to do it like two days before you won't be able 625 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.800 to pretty much all of Europe after COVID, like all that touristy stuff. 626 00:44:54.840 --> 00:45:00.440 You have to get tickets beforehand. Um, like when I was in the 627 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.119 nether I don't know, maybe you guys experience in the Netherlands, but we 628 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.400 tried to go to the reichs Museum in the Netherlands, and like we just 629 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.880 couldn't because like we had to just pay out the ass for like under the 630 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.320 table tickets because you have to get them in advance and they sell it super 631 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.800 quick. So if you want to go to the Louver or like some other 632 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.559 museum that has a lot of people, I would get those in advance. 633 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.480 If you don't care, though, you'll be fine. I don't, but 634 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:31.360 I really appreciate your warning because maybe someone in my group will and I'll carry 635 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:37.360 that information forward. But like I am, I'm not anti museum. I 636 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:43.400 will go and I will observe those paintings with great interest. But I would 637 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:50.440 also just be happy sitting on some grass and recognizing the fact that I'm in 638 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.159 a place that I never thought I would be in my life. And I 639 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:59.639 think that really kind of the most exciting thing is just kind of reflecting and 640 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:04.320 thinking, Wow, I can't believe I'm sitting here so weird. How weird? 641 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.639 Got you? The left bank? You know me? It's the one 642 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:14.719 that has the locks on the um fence where all the lovers put their locks 643 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.599 so that they stay in love forever, or those are like everywhere. Yeah, 644 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.679 I think you're you're probably thinking of the little walking bridge over the Rhine. 645 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.760 The Rhine and co had like a lock thing going it probably does. 646 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.440 They might. They might have like a big famous one, but you can 647 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.519 find them everywhere. It turns out it doesn't work. There's some on the 648 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:45.559 waterfront here. My hobby is going to the waterfront and my partner just shotting 649 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.519 them down. Isn't real? Yes it is. Let's do it is the 650 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.280 only way I can get off if I'm cutting love, Yeah, ruining mementos, 651 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.000 Yeah, parents will be fun. Report back in three weeks, two 652 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.159 weeks, money back. Yeah. I'll tick the next episode off because I 653 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.480 won't be back in time, but I'll be back for the next episode. 654 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:14.800 Last question, do you guys have any big Independence Day? It will so 655 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.800 if you're The episode has gone up on July third, but so it's technically 656 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.679 the long weekend in America. Did you, guys, are you doing anything 657 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.719 fun? Do you have plans just hanging out, relaxing. I'll be on 658 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:35.320 a plane going to an undisclosed location, full circles. I yeah, I 659 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.440 definitely won't be in America, so it'll be weird. I think. Um, 660 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.880 I think I'll genuinely be in Disneyland. Well, I don't know what 661 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:53.519 it's called Disney Frans France, bonjeur, mickey, They're gonna kick me out. 662 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:58.280 I ever tell you, guys, when I was in Japan, I 663 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.679 was such a fucking idiot because I'm just a stupid kid, and I never 664 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.000 thought i'd travel internationally, so I don't deserve to be in these places. 665 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:12.559 And I just instinctively act regular in these places that I shouldn't. And I 666 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.440 remember being told, like, you never go first into a restaurant. You 667 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.440 go in first and like get us a table. And I was like, 668 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.079 fine, I'll go first. And I walk in and I pushed the door 669 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:29.599 like you would push any door in America. And it's those sliding doors, 670 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:36.079 and I pushed the door off of its track and it falls down and slams 671 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.480 on the ground. Wait, you actually like knocked a wall down. Basically 672 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:44.119 I knocked the door off the track and then down, and the lady like 673 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:51.039 the whole restaurant kind of like stops in Japan, just this white girl out, 674 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.880 go away if we turn around, and I was like, you guys 675 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.639 be first. That was my turn, go back in with a mustache. 676 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.559 I'm not doing this again. This woman, this woman from Ohio, I 677 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.800 just barreled through our wall. And the worst part is is that was like 678 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:16.719 it happened again later in the Triphus in a while. I pushed it and 679 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:21.159 it didn't I didn't knock it fully off, but I it made that like 680 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.400 dong dongongo, because it was like it's on a slider. It's not supposed 681 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.280 to be pushed. And they yelled at me too and told me to get 682 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:34.519 out, so like, I don't like to be first. That's why somebody 683 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.320 else to go. I will watch what you do, and I will step 684 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.440 in your footsteps, and I will order what you order it. I will 685 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.480 be a learned creature in this land. I do not belong here. I 686 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:53.079 don't. I'm trying to think if I've like really embarrassed myself overseas um also 687 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:57.760 in Japan. Once I ordered a dish because I couldn't read the menu and 688 00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.800 they didn't give me an English menu, and I ordered. I ordered a 689 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:02.920 skewer of cheese and I ate it and paid my bill and left, and 690 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:09.599 then I went to bed hungry. Just say it was just several pieces of 691 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:15.719 cheese on a secure It wasn't a lot of cheese either. Just points to 692 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.760 something on the menu and I thought it was some meal. Just point to 693 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:23.960 the thing on the menu. Not eating your cheese stick and going to bed 694 00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:30.199 smelling of cheese and regrets. I actually he had some apples and I ate 695 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:37.519 an apple my first time flying overseas. Uh. The game Spot UK crew 696 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.480 knew I was terrified of snakes, so they convinced me that it's a thing 697 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.719 in London that there are just a lot of snakes in the underground, in 698 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.239 the tunnels. So they told me there were tunnel snakes. And I was 699 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.599 actually like, genuinely, when I was waiting for the train, I would 700 00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.840 be kind of like away from the edge of the point about it. I 701 00:50:53.880 --> 00:51:01.039 don't want snakes. And then uh to more and I think he'll remember this. 702 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.239 We were up at the like penthouse bar in this in our hotel in 703 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.159 Osaka, and at this point the trip, I was just so tired and 704 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:17.440 I was you both know that I'm desperately always trying to make the people around 705 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:23.119 me laugh, so this guy and it doesn't always work. But the host 706 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.440 comes up and give us to More and I hot towels each and then he 707 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.440 walks away. And so just to message to More, I leaned back on 708 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.760 the couch and just like drop the towel on my face. I know that's 709 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.000 not what you're supposed to do. But the host came back and looked at 710 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.679 me. He is like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Is 711 00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:49.719 this guy from Syracuse get out of here. You're embarrassing us, But like 712 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.239 accidentally embarrassed. I don't. I don't know that I have. I am 713 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:59.960 a walking embarrassment. I would be embarrassed if I did it now maybe, 714 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.800 But when I was a kid, my dad's a teacher, and during summer 715 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.199 vacation, he'd always take students to Europe. So that's how I got to 716 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:08.480 like see a bunch of these places. But when I was a kid, 717 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:13.079 we went to the coliseum and I really really had to pee, and there's 718 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.079 not a lot of like public restrooms in Europe usually have to pay and they're 719 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.119 hard to find. So my dad walked up to a police officer and he's 720 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:21.639 like, hey, my son has to pee, where should he go? 721 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.239 And he just looked at the coliseum and he's like telling the pe on the 722 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.559 coliseum. So I pete on the call of seum as a kid. Oh 723 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.679 my god, I had thought nothing of it, but now I'd be like 724 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:34.920 terrified if I ever did something like that. You get a police officer. 725 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.519 Was the police police officer serious or just joking like telling you? I mean, 726 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:42.119 my dad at the conversation with him, he said, he said, 727 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.480 Dad, just go pee on the colliseum, go over there. And I 728 00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.199 don't think you could do that now because they're like a bajillion people every day 729 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:51.360 who go to the coliseum and every single side of that is monitored. But 730 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.480 for a while, like I don't know, it'll just didn't care all that 731 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.719 much. Um, I want to go there. I want to go there. 732 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.880 Back then, yeah, well apparently the coliseum there used to be a 733 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.119 round about. There was like no tourist thing like in the eighties, like 734 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.159 not even that long ago. It was just a fucking roundabout that went around 735 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.960 the colosseum, and people would just it was just the middle of normal traffic 736 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.360 circuit and they and they got rid of that because they were like, oh 737 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:16.360 shit, we could probably make a lot of money off this, and it 738 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:22.440 might be important to our history. Maybe maybe what's the closest thing we have 739 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.159 to a colosseum in the middle of a round about? Honestly, you know 740 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.000 what we have is in New York. There's like certain taverns that were here 741 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:36.880 from like when George Washington was commanding the Revolutionary War. Have I taken you 742 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.639 guys there to Francis No, we've got stuff like that, and that's just 743 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:45.280 across from the office. But they've refurbished it after for like three hundred years. 744 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.280 Obviously Coliseum is much much, much older than that, But that's America. 745 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:53.280 I guess we're only we're not even three hundred years old. We'll be 746 00:53:53.280 --> 00:54:01.199 alive for the tri centennial hopefully, will Yeah fifty you guys, fifty years. 747 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:06.920 I'll be eighty now I'll have died an explosion by then. Yeah. 748 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.400 I was gonna say, I'll have rigged your car with C four at that 749 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.840 point and you would have exploded sick. I do want to die in an 750 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.360 explosion. Yeah, I'm just helping you. You've said that, we'll make 751 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.159 it happen. Speaking of, do you guys want to talk about video games? 752 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.800 What kind of transition is that? I almost made a very importan taste 753 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:31.119 joke. Let's talk about video games instead. What is the joke? No, 754 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:35.760 I forgot it already. No you didn't, Yes, I did. 755 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:42.039 Don't do this. Every time you do this, I say something that No, 756 00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:46.920 don't cut it. I forgot with the joke. Say this is a 757 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:52.000 bad radio. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not doing it. I'm 758 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:57.559 not doing it. Let's go. Let's talk about video games. Okay, 759 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:04.239 I was gonna say, I was gonna say, speaking of speaking of, 760 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:13.639 it's not even a funny joke. It's just like making light of a just 761 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:21.800 bringing up news of like oh good point. Yeah, yeah, okay, 762 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.360 Jake, it's your time to blow our minds with the games you've been playing, 763 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:32.400 because nobody, well that's not true. People probably know, but technically 764 00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.159 you have not set on fire Escape before? What games you've been playing? 765 00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:43.920 I haven't played a few things, all things I actually really like, but 766 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.599 I would say probably the big one that I don't think any of you have 767 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:51.320 played or have any interest in playing that. I imagine a good amount of 768 00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:55.000 the listeners play is Final Fantasy sixteen. Yeah, I do want to play 769 00:55:55.039 --> 00:56:00.280 it because the DMC lead designer moved over and I heard the stories actually kind 770 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:06.840 of like fun, if not good like dumb fun. It's very compelling. 771 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:13.119 I think it has moments that are very good. It's I like the tone. 772 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.280 The characters are, for the most part, very well fleshed out. 773 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.360 Obviously, it looks really good. There's a lot of production value in those 774 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.440 cut scenes. But then yeah, like you said, the combat itself is 775 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:30.639 also really flashy and fun, and it feels very fast and frenetic. I'm 776 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:35.039 also someone who has not played any Final Fantasy games apart from like a little 777 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:40.280 bit of fourteen. I played seven remake, which like I enjoyed, but 778 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.039 I never really got super invested in and this so, like, I don't 779 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.920 really have preconceived notions of what a Final Fantasy game is and isn't, which 780 00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:55.039 I know is kind of the conversation right now. But I think it's great. 781 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:59.760 I think there's a lot to nitpick, but I think overall, I 782 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:05.280 think it's really impressive. Like I said, combat's great, but I'm super 783 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.800 into the story. It's not perfect it there's a lot of lulls. There's 784 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:14.360 a lot of weird pacing issues, particularly with side quests, but yeah, 785 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:19.760 it is. It is a roller coaster. I'm quite enjoying it. One 786 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.559 of the pacing issues with side quests, what do you mean? They're just 787 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:29.440 not good and the game like you'll do like a couple of yeah, you'll 788 00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.039 do a couple of story missions, and the game would just be like, 789 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:35.760 Okay, now here's three side quests. All the side quests. I used 790 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.239 to think most of the side quests are timed and that if you don't finish 791 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:43.079 them in this window, they disappear. Some side quests unlock new features, 792 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.400 like you have to do a side quest to get a choke about to ride 793 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.719 or whatever, which I'd argue is pretty important, but the actual quest itself 794 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.920 is pretty dull. So there's this sort of I feel obligated to do all 795 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:59.800 these quests even though I know they're pretty dull, and like, sometimes you 796 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:04.719 want lock like new like accessories for your character, but the RPG systems are 797 00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.800 pretty thin, so it's like, I don't really know why I need this 798 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:09.840 stuff. Maybe if I was playing on a harder difficulty, I could see 799 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:15.880 the use. But even then, like, and also just the production value 800 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.840 on these side quests drops a ton, Like, you know, you've got 801 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.559 these beautiful cut scenes where characters are like fully animated, and the lighting and 802 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.239 graphics and all this stuff looks great, and then you get to these very 803 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:30.320 stiff side quest cut scenes where the characters aren't moving except for their lips and 804 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:35.199 their eyes look dead, and it just feels super out of place. I 805 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.960 think it's mostly just there because it's a final fantasy game and people would be 806 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.639 pissed if there's no side quests. But to be honest, I would have 807 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.199 been totally fine if they were just like, yeah, chopping all these side 808 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:50.440 quests out. What are you thinking? What do you think about the Game 809 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.119 of Thrones comparisons, or like is the game trying way too hard? Yeah? 810 00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.599 I heard about this, and I just want like, in case other 811 00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.199 people haven't heard about this, I just heard about it from you guys talking 812 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:06.079 about it earlier. Which is is that like the main story is essentially a 813 00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:12.000 character from Game of Thrones, and then it even has like tie ins to 814 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:16.360 the Red Wedding and other things and it feels very much like they ripped it. 815 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:22.159 Is that true or is that just people people chatting The director like openly 816 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:27.480 admitted openly said he made the entire staff like watch Game of Thrones before they 817 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.199 got they've gotten to the nitty gritty of development. I don't know if i'd 818 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:35.960 say that they ripped it. It is definitely heavily inspired and influenced by Game 819 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.920 of Thrones. There are scenes that are reminiscent of the Red Wedding. There 820 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:44.880 are characters that kind of seem like they could easily fit in Game of Thrones. 821 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.639 But I do think that the world itself that they've created feels pretty unique. 822 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.840 It doesn't feel like a rip off of Game of Thrones by any stretch. 823 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.039 For like, it is way more fantastical than Game of Thrones. Like 824 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.800 Game of Thrones, yeah, has like dragons and stuff, but this has 825 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:06.320 a bunch of final fantasy shit like summons or icons as they're called. In 826 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:12.679 this game. Everyone's casting spells, and there's giant crystals because of course there's 827 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.960 giant crystals. There's got to be giant crystals and stuff. Um. But 828 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:21.320 but I think like the way they've woven that fantastical stuff into this sort of 829 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.320 more grounded universe I think works really well. But but but yeah, I 830 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.159 definitely see the comparison. I think, once again, as someone who doesn't 831 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.039 really play Final Fantasy and I don't really have a whole lot to compare it 832 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:40.800 to other than seven and fourteen, I think there's gonna be people who aren't 833 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.519 gonna like this game, people who probably have no interest because tonally it is 834 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:50.719 pretty dark. It can be like brooding and at times to the point where 835 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:55.599 it's almost a little it's almost a little too much. But personally I'm super 836 01:00:55.639 --> 01:01:01.079 invested. I'm going to finish it. But yeah, I don't know. 837 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.559 I would say this has inspired me to go back and play Final Fantasy games 838 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.800 more than seven did by any stretch. And I know people loved seven, 839 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:14.119 and I get it, but seven for me was a little like tonally, 840 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.239 it just kind of felt all over the place for me, where it was 841 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.920 just kind of like, oh, here we're gonna have like a awkward dating 842 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.719 scene, and then we're gonna have some comedy thrown in there, and now 843 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.400 there's going to be a melodramatic scene, and then like some of the writing 844 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:31.159 was super on the nose. I felt in remake, and this feels like 845 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:37.679 a a very talented writing team kind of like took this on. But like 846 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:43.079 I said, there are moments like there's a side quest where like you go 847 01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:45.239 to this area where they really don't like bearers, which are the people who 848 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:52.360 cast spells essentially, and they're supposed to be like really quote unquote racist to 849 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:55.679 these bearers, And you do these side quests that are just so like brutally 850 01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:00.559 evil on the nose, like almost cert that it's like, Okay, this 851 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:04.920 is just here to be like, yeah, this is a very serious dark 852 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.800 game, and it's like there's so many better ways that could have approached these 853 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.559 darker themes. At times, I would say, do you think you go 854 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.880 back to like six? I actually want to go back to six, I 855 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:22.079 think. In particular, so a friend of mine, John Luke, was 856 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.280 saying that who were the game spot was saying that I should try out nine, 857 01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.199 And I tried out nine. I didn't like it because a little too 858 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.039 whimsical, but I was looking into it, and I was talking to you 859 01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:36.440 this weekend, Mike, and you're saying six is really good, and I 860 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.360 think like coming from sixteen, it sounds like six might be a good stepping 861 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:45.840 stone potentially. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I have not played it 862 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:50.920 in a while. I love the game, but it's funny. You could 863 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:52.840 see my seest classic right there. I'm playing Link to the Past for a 864 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:58.320 Zelda thing at work, but I like it quite a bit. I will 865 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.920 say it's did you play Corona Trigger? I did play Corona Trigger. Yeah. 866 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:07.880 Corona Trigger had those certain spots where you could really get stuck, yeah, 867 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.119 like not know exactly where to go. I think they kind of wanted 868 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:15.159 that to happen back then more often. Six definitely does that as well. 869 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:19.000 And I also don't know how well this combat and six holds up. I 870 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.880 think it all holds up fairly well. So yeah, i'd say try that 871 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:28.639 out, or twelve Zodiac Age if you have that. So it's also actually 872 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.960 started that because I was playing nine and I was like, I don't think 873 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:34.159 this is for me, and I switched to twelve because a lot of people 874 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:38.800 said. Bianca Bonk, who was at the Bachelor Bachhotut party, was saying, 875 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.039 oh, you might like twelve. So I installed that and was playing 876 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.960 on the plane. I'm definitely more interested in that. But the voice acting 877 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.000 in that game is pretty bad, at least the English voice acting. I 878 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.280 started that back when I was a game spot and I liked you could program 879 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:57.920 the characters to just play for you, And in my head, I'm like, 880 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.519 that's fucking stupid. I play game, want to be controlling the action, 881 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.559 but at a certain point, when you're grinding, it's actually kind of 882 01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:08.920 rewarding to program them in a way that they're just like smowing through enemies, 883 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:12.079 Like it's you're basically setting up like what do you want to call it? 884 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:19.039 I t T kind of like very basic programming, which is fun. Which 885 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:23.880 one is? Well, I'm trying to think is it ten? I think 886 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.760 it's ten that I've never played, which is ironic because I really like The 887 01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.840 Lord of the Rings the third age, which is kind of laughed at as 888 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.840 how much I want to look this up after it and when I'm done talking, 889 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:39.440 because I'm it's like just a clear Lord of the Rings rip off of 890 01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:44.119 a Final Fantasy game, and I think it's ten. Like skills combat work 891 01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:47.039 the exact same, like some of the attacks are like one to one, 892 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:49.559 and I want to play that at some point, but I forget which one 893 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:54.519 nine was, Like what is Who's what's going on there? Nine was the 894 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:59.000 last of like the PlayStation trilogy apparently, and it was like more of a 895 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.159 returned to form. I guess it was more like Fantasy focused, because I 896 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:06.519 know seven and eight were kind of weird. Um, but the main character 897 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:11.320 has like a tail, and he talks about like how he wants to date 898 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.679 girls all the time and stuff. I'm just like, all right, this 899 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.440 is the combat, okay, yeah this look. I've never played nine. 900 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:21.079 I think it's got to be Final Fantasy ten that I'm thinking of. It's 901 01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:26.480 Final Fantasy ten. And I I love Lord of the Rings a third Age. 902 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.480 I don't know why, Like I really don't. It's it's it's a 903 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.880 bad Lord of the Rings game too, but I just have such a soft 904 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:38.599 spot in my heart for it. It was I didn't I never used to 905 01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.880 like turn based games, which is funny knowing how my tasting games now. 906 01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:46.880 But when I was young, I was genuinely bummed out I got Third the 907 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:50.519 Third Age with for Christmas. My grandpa would give us money to go get 908 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:58.039 whatever we wanted, and like he gave me like fifty bucks, So I 909 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.440 was like, okay, that's that's back then. That was a Deo game, 910 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.320 so rich, nice Grandpa, you got there? Can I get one 911 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:08.400 of those? I got a book every year, But I would have liked 912 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:14.480 that too, But I got Um. I got the Third Age, and 913 01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.800 I remember like that was my first brush with what do you want to call 914 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:25.800 it? Um buyers Justification or what is it called? Like I like forced 915 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:30.079 myself to like it because I had spent money on it. Something like that. 916 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.000 Yeah, there's probably a phrase I'm for calling. It's called cognitive dissonance. 917 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:40.320 Yeah that too. But I had no idea the game was turn based. 918 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:45.079 I was coming from Return of the King, the the PS two UM 919 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.000 the EA game that they made that was actually really good. I was like, 920 01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:50.519 oh, Third Age just looks sick. New characters they're following, the 921 01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:54.719 Fellowship is sick. I was like, oh, fuck me, it's turn 922 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:59.320 based. I hate this ship. And then years later it became it's funny. 923 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.760 It's like one of the I haven't played in a while. Maybe it 924 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:05.360 is good, but I don't think it is. I want to play it 925 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.760 again. I've been meaning to battle. Middle two is the best Lord of 926 01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:14.679 the Rings game. Actually, I think Gallum's the best Lord of the Rings 927 01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:19.920 game. Everybody's talking about it. I have been playing some weird games. 928 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.840 I've done a few like preview kind of hands on demos for work that I'll 929 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:29.000 be able to publish next week and talk more about next week. But I 930 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:32.440 a like I mentioned, I've been playing Link to the Past again. Games 931 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.239 still real good. I'm playing on this Nest Classic. I was like, 932 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:38.639 I could have played it on the Switch with Nintendo Switch Online, but I 933 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:43.760 wanted to bust out my UK version, the better looking Super Nintendo in my 934 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.679 opinion, I have that one too. Yeah, thanks to Tamore who got 935 01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.679 it for me when there was a shortage. Linked to the Past is still 936 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.400 really good. I don't know if you guys know this. You have you 937 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:57.599 heard Linked the Past is a good game. I don't have much to say 938 01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.119 yet that I haven't said before. I will say that, as I was 939 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:08.239 first playing during the review period, Tears the Kingdom, the first time you 940 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:13.000 get kind of the feeling that there's a big world beneath you, and then 941 01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:16.079 you dive into the depths. The depths, to me, are kind of 942 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:21.520 making good on the promise of a dark world that Linked the Past introduced like 943 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:25.760 Linked to the Past did the dark World obviously Ocarine of Time did the Adult 944 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.760 World. It's not the first time anybody's done it, but the fact that 945 01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.359 like it actually is organically layered beneath the world that you're in the whole time 946 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:40.000 feels to me like the culmination of the idea they started with linked to the 947 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:45.760 Past back in fucking nineteen ninety one. So it's funny playing that because I 948 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.680 just got to the Dark World this morning, And the more I'm playing that, 949 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:55.000 the more I'm like, it's so funny to see how many ideas they 950 01:08:55.079 --> 01:09:01.279 explored in previous Zelda games that they then used, I would argue more organically. 951 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.239 And Tears of the Kingdom, it's like Tiers the Kingdom is side quest, 952 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:11.079 the game that's kind of ma Jora's Mask obviously sands the whole time loop 953 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.720 mechanic. Then you got like this dark world element. You've got Skyward Sword 954 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:23.560 for obvious reasons, above the surface. U I the more, and like 955 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.560 I played, what else did I play? I was playing Minish cap on 956 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.560 my What the hell is it called? The pocket? Not the pocket? 957 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:33.600 A log pocket? And is it analot pocket? I don't know, is 958 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:39.079 that what you're playing it on? Yeah? God, dude, I'm so 959 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:44.479 tired today. It's the Yeah, Analot Pocket and I was playing the Minish 960 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.079 cap on that because I owned the cartridge, so I busted out my cartridge 961 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:54.039 to legally play Minish Cap on my Analot Pocket and same thing there. Like, 962 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.720 the more I'm playing these other Zelda games again for these stories were writing 963 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.600 for Polygon, We're doing retrospectives on all of them, the more I'm like, 964 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.560 God's Here's the Kingdom? Really they like it feels like they look back 965 01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.439 at the rest of the series and like, what can we poach steal from 966 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:12.039 all those and just do really really well here? Um so, which is 967 01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.800 just making me appreciate Tears the Kingdom all the more even when I'm not playing 968 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.239 it. But I hate to ask this, but where would you say Tears 969 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.680 of the Kingdom ranks for you? Because I know you're a big zell, 970 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:27.039 the guy you've played all of them, Like, is this like top ten, 971 01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:30.039 top five? And let's keep in mind that this guy put Major's Mask 972 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:35.319 first. Yeah, my favorite. Yeah, that's correct. I don't know 973 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:41.079 if I put it first, but top five for sure. Tears the Kingdoms 974 01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.520 definitely. I don't know because it's funny. I've been saying this, I 975 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.520 think, coming off it recently. I think Tears the Kingdom is a better 976 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:55.159 game than Breath of the Wild in like ten years. I don't know that 977 01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.239 that's going to hold up. If I go back to them, I already 978 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.800 will confidently say it's no near as important as Breath of the Wild. We've 979 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:06.319 talked about that before on fire Escape. Now that I've gotten some distance from 980 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:11.000 Tears of the Kingdom, I still think it's a better game than Breath of 981 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.520 the Wild. And I think Breath of the Wild still very much was this 982 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:17.279 overture kind of introduction to Tears the Kingdom. In retrospect, I do think 983 01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:20.399 there might be a point in my life in the future where, like Breath 984 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:26.399 of the Wild's reservations, I might appreciate them more when they didn't just go 985 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:31.359 fucking all out with all these things. But Tears of the Kingdom's frob definitely 986 01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:43.399 top five for me. It's majora ocarina linked to the past surprises all around. 987 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:49.479 I know, I really really like like the underrated Zella game to me, 988 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.600 and I don't know that it's underrated. I'd say overlooked as minished cap 989 01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:01.439 and I really like they're one game, but I really like Capcom's Oracle games. 990 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.039 I like Oracle of Ages. Okay, give us your top five. 991 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:10.119 Oh, God, Linked to the Past is probably number one. I feel 992 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:13.560 like it changes, but I always go back to that number one. Uh 993 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:20.960 probably Offering enough Time would be number two. Maybe Tears of the Kingdom three, 994 01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:33.000 Uh likest top three? Oh yeah, Win win Waker, Win Waker's 995 01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:36.199 top five. For me, it wouldn't go past three because I think it's 996 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:42.680 got problems, but it's good. It's probably four for me, um and 997 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:47.039 five Win Waker for me. I've always appreciated the hell out of and I 998 01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:50.680 like it something and I again, and I haven't played this in like four 999 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:56.479 years. Something about its tone always was a bit off putting to me. 1000 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:04.880 It felt I just never found it like And to be clear, I didn't 1001 01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.239 really like Twilight Princess at first either, So I'm not like, oh, 1002 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:10.920 it was too whimsical, Like I was all on board for them to do 1003 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:15.199 that. I think it's just to me it felt a bit uncanny and like, 1004 01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:19.399 I feel as if they're going for this kind of more cartoonish vibe, 1005 01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:25.680 but it's also gets pretty grim at points, not that you can't do both. 1006 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:27.680 Maybe I go back to them like, oh, they actually bounce it 1007 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:30.039 really well, But at the time I remember, I'm like, okay, 1008 01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:31.800 cool, I'm on board. They're doing this cartoonish Zelda, which is really 1009 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:40.560 ambitious, open world wise, and the WIU port definitely did what the three 1010 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:45.000 DS port for Rocarina did, and it simplified a few of the overwrought mechanics 1011 01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.079 in the original game. But other times I'm like, man, this game 1012 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:53.000 gets pretty grim with some of those side quests it does, and even how 1013 01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.439 it ends not to spoil it a fucking fifteen twenty year old game. I 1014 01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:01.520 will say Windwakers got the best Gannendorf though, like, oh fucking you can 1015 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:08.520 spoil that sticks a sword through Gannendorff's head. I've blown away that that was 1016 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:13.399 of what in an I rated game back then. But I think the Gannendorf 1017 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.479 in that game is so good, especially because when you get to the end 1018 01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:20.880 and he basically says like I just I grew up in the desert and it 1019 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:24.640 was miserable my entire life. I just wanted to feel the breeze, and 1020 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.159 then you just fucking stick a sword in his head. Here's a breeze and 1021 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.920 that you put it between his eyes. Uh yeah. But I also another 1022 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:36.239 another game that I think is not over underrated. People love it, but 1023 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.239 Link between world is fucking incredible. Oh yeah, Link between the Golds is 1024 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.279 great. That game just felt off to me. I think, like as 1025 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:49.000 a Zelda game, which is weird because you mean tonally not tonally. Just 1026 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:53.439 like, I don't know, it really just confused me. I guess when 1027 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:56.279 I was playing it where it was like you rent items, you don't actually 1028 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:59.880 acquire items until later you can kind of like pick which dungeon and it may 1029 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.359 sense that that was kind of a stepping stone towards the Breath of Wild Tears 1030 01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:05.680 of the Kingdom, But like at the time, I just don't think I 1031 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:09.119 was ready for that, which is a game that I actually want to replay 1032 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:13.239 now that I have done, you know, But Zelda, I feel like 1033 01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:16.800 it's like linked to the past. Link between Worlds was like kind of this 1034 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.520 spiritual successor to Link to the past, except yeah, you could go in 1035 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:23.119 any order, and then Breath of the Wild came along. But wait, 1036 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:27.680 Mary, what are your top five? Um? I don't know if I'm 1037 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:32.199 gonna have a good one, probably linked to the past. I have a 1038 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:38.640 really good childhood connection too, so that's hard to pass up. Breath of 1039 01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:42.279 the Wild was that modern version of making me feel like a kid again. 1040 01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:51.560 Windwaker was very powerful for me. I had some weird ones I don't know 1041 01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:59.239 if, like Akarina's pretty important as well, and the one with the wolf, 1042 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.479 Twilight Twilight Princess. I like Twilight Princess. That one's controversial. That's 1043 01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:09.760 why I would put it a fund like that one, so like it's fun. 1044 01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:14.159 Oh yeah, once you could freely transform, that was awesome. It's 1045 01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:17.439 super fun. And the Dungeons Twilight Princess or some of the best Dungeons series. 1046 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:20.720 That was the first game I played a lot as a kid, though, 1047 01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:25.039 so I don't have that many childhood connections, like like you guys do. 1048 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:29.279 Like I played most of them as an adult, you probably honestly have 1049 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.880 a better outlook on them, more accurate than we do, or more less. 1050 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:36.800 Although I've replayed most of them recently, but Twilight Princess to me replaying 1051 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:44.119 it two years ago when I was young, it felt lonely and somber in 1052 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:45.199 a good way, like, oh, this is what they're kind of going 1053 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:50.000 for. As a reaction to Win Waker. Then I've replayed it recently and 1054 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:55.720 I think the Wei I actually do not prefer the wiiuport. I would rather 1055 01:16:55.760 --> 01:17:00.800 play it on Well, I wouldn't rather take the Wii for it, but 1056 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:05.319 I think I'd rather play it on GameCube. Something about upressing those environments made 1057 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:09.880 them feel just empty. After I went back to play it, like they 1058 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:15.199 looked so much better. But then I met like the four people that lived 1059 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:20.840 in the village, and I was like, Okay, this feels this feels 1060 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:27.840 off. But a game that I used to count among my top five is 1061 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.399 one of my favorites was Links Awakening when I used to play it on game 1062 01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:34.840 Boy Color. Replaying it on Switch the obviously it's not just a port like 1063 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:40.760 the remaster that they did in the like that Fisher Price looking style, which 1064 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:45.239 I has kind of grown on me, that style, I don't. I 1065 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:49.720 didn't realize how much I disliked almost every dungeon in that game. Like I 1066 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:58.159 think people people like with those dungeons because they can get pretty brutal. Eagles 1067 01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:02.119 Tower stands out as one that people either love or hate. It's the one 1068 01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:06.119 where you're transporting those giant metal balls from floor to floor to put them on 1069 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:10.720 the big switches, but you have to throw them through holes in the floor 1070 01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.720 on one and then go back down. And it's combining that. There's also 1071 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:19.279 the switches that link to the past introduced where you're stepping on you're stepping on 1072 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:25.000 a switch and it will raise those like traffic block things, but lower other 1073 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.079 ones, the blue and red ones, that dungeon. I don't like those 1074 01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:33.560 switches and that dungeon just like those were it's bread and butter. And I 1075 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:38.159 don't know, man, I couldn't do. And I love Links Awakening like 1076 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:41.760 it's whole. It's based around gathering these instruments and the music is incredible. 1077 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.880 But and I love how weird and dream. I mean it's literally a dream. 1078 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:49.439 It's they Actually we had a thing that Grayson Morley, one of our 1079 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:54.760 freelancers road it's like this game that we this story. We kind of Revere 1080 01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.600 or maybe some of us. Revere did the whole fucking it was all a 1081 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.520 dream and it just got away with it because it was kind of good. 1082 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.840 Twice they've done that twice. What was the second one? Is it was? 1083 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:09.840 It? Spirit Tracks was one of the DS ones where like link falls 1084 01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:12.880 off a boat and hallucinates an entire game. I believe, Oh, it's 1085 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:16.359 got to be Spirit Tracks. Yeah, because the Phantom Hourglass. He I 1086 01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:21.039 believe Phantom Hourglass was actually like a sequel ish to win Waker, one of 1087 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:24.159 them, no, no, no, So I think this one was the 1088 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:27.760 sequel to wind Waker, and then that would have been Phantom Hourglass. I 1089 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.479 could be wrong. I thought for sure, there's like one ds is all 1090 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.840 the game where link falls off. I think it's after um wind Waker, 1091 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.119 and then it they like try to find land, link falls off a boat 1092 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.760 and then hallucinates an entire thing, and then their Spirit Tracks, which takes 1093 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.840 place like a hundred years in the future in that land that they found or 1094 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.720 some Yeah. You might could be wrong, but I could have sworn they 1095 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:53.720 they at least have done it twice. But I think it works much better 1096 01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:57.359 than Links Awakening, yeah, because it is just the surreal like magical realism 1097 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.199 kind of Is that a fucking chain chomp or that's a goomba I see? 1098 01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:04.520 And then you go into these two d areas where it's just the dungeon or 1099 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:13.079 the underground areas caverns from Super Mario Bros. And Capcom no less, but 1100 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:18.680 I because, yeah, Links Awakening would have come out in ninety three, 1101 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:24.920 so two years after the Japanese release of Linked to the Past or the Fam 1102 01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:29.600 or the super Famicom release rather. But I like those games quite a bit, 1103 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:30.399 and the more I play them, the more I'm appreciating Tears of the 1104 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.039 Kingdom from a distance, because I'm kind of I need distance from Tears of 1105 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:40.560 the Kingdom for a while. I'm still actively playing it. I think everybody 1106 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:44.760 at the bachelor party was playing it, which was pretty funny. We were 1107 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:49.239 all kind of collectively enjoying Zelda and talking about where we were in this space. 1108 01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:55.399 And true to my form, I had done some of the dungeons backwards, 1109 01:20:55.680 --> 01:21:00.159 so I'm on the wind one where you're in the sky, which I 1110 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:05.039 think a lot of people do first, and God did I get stuck. 1111 01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:13.560 I could not understand how to get in that building. I circled it like 1112 01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:17.239 six times. I finally figured it out, but holy shit, that dungeon 1113 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:25.000 made me feel dumb. But the d it's once you solve it, it's 1114 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.840 neat. But I didn't understand it, and I'm proud of myself for not 1115 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:33.640 cheating and looking up like a guide or anything. I just suffered for like 1116 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:38.680 forty minutes as I walked around trying to find everything. Something that I think 1117 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:44.399 is interesting though, about like all these Zelda's is how how experimental they are, 1118 01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:50.359 And it just kind of feels like Zelda is to Nintendo what Half Life 1119 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:56.880 is to Valve, where Valve would always say like, we make these games 1120 01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:00.319 so we can do weird shit and get away with it. We are trying 1121 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.640 to push game design, and we do within this game because we can, 1122 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:09.199 and people tend to enjoy it and want to see what's going on in this 1123 01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:15.520 space. And every Zelda game they are pushing something extraordinarily different and allowing their 1124 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:19.399 users to push the boundaries of these games, and I'm extraordinarily impressed that they 1125 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:27.199 keep consistently doing it. Every time they are making a new game, they 1126 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.880 are trying something wildly unique the rental system, and you're talking about Jake like 1127 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.960 that's it didn't carry on, But holy shit, they tried something I've never 1128 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:38.079 heard of before and got away with it for that game. In particular, 1129 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:43.439 What is is Zelda anymore is like significantly changing because at this point it's just 1130 01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:47.159 a big old experiment to them because the franchise will always do well and they 1131 01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:51.960 always make a polished product. So just trying out weird shit now. Yeah, 1132 01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:56.239 Seeing like some of the responses that Tears of the king like obviously it 1133 01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:00.359 was mostly positive, but like seeing a lot of people complaining about here is 1134 01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.560 the Kingdom and Breath Wild I always thought was kind of strange because the crux 1135 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:08.079 the argument was always this isn't a Zelda game because there's not dungeons and you're 1136 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:13.000 not getting key items, and it's like, well, I mean, part 1137 01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:15.199 of Zelda's DNA is the fact that it is changing, and I think the 1138 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.840 fact that they changed this much, especially when it came to Breath of Wild 1139 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:23.960 tis the Kingdom, I think is like almost the defining thing about Zelda games 1140 01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:28.760 now. And like you know, like even Tears of the Kingdom, like 1141 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:30.840 I thought that game was going to be safe because it was like same location. 1142 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:33.319 They showed the sky stuff and I was like, okay, cool, 1143 01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:38.840 and then when the pup that's great, yeah exactly, they just stretched it 1144 01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.159 out. And then when the previous go I was like, okay, this 1145 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:43.720 seems different, and then actually playing it was like, oh, this game 1146 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:49.720 is this game is completely not not completely, but it is like it does 1147 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:56.000 so much different for something that looks so similar, and it's exciting. I'm 1148 01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:00.560 excited to see like whatever that team does, you know, And twelve years 1149 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:02.680 whenever the next eld the game comes out, I did misspeak. By the 1150 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:06.319 way, Links Awakening was not capcom minished CAP in the Oracle games were got 1151 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:15.079 fucking stupid, Mike got fucking idiot. M Yeah, I'm I mean, 1152 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:20.319 my fucking my favorite. It's funny because I had I did that interview I 1153 01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:25.479 talked about with A Numa and Fujibayashi, and I asked them, I was 1154 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:29.720 like, do you think the comparisons to Majora's Mask? Had I played? 1155 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.199 I had played hands on the game, so I knew like I had played 1156 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:35.479 it. I was like, okay, do you think the comparisons to Majora's 1157 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:42.399 Mask hold weight? And they were like in the sense that it's this follow 1158 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:46.479 up to one of the most like gargantuanely popular games ever, and they're like, 1159 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:50.359 no, not really. Alnuma, because he worked on Majora's Mask, 1160 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:55.680 He's like, no, not really. Um. In fact, they're kind 1161 01:24:55.720 --> 01:25:00.159 of polar opposites. This is the game we had wanted to make some of 1162 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:02.680 these ideas we had wanted to do with Breath of the Wild, we couldn't 1163 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:09.199 just fit in, so now we had more time budget. Majora's Mask, 1164 01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:11.479 on the other hand, was like, we have a year to make a 1165 01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:16.319 game the most constraints possible. We need to figure out how to ring as 1166 01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:19.439 much as we can out of Acarina and maybe, sure, let's do something 1167 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:26.439 weird with it. The time loop. We look at it's like that game 1168 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:32.560 is just so for how weird and dreamlike and side quest laden and daring it 1169 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.479 is. It's also just like one of the most genius things that's ever come 1170 01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.279 And whether you like it or not, it's still the fact that they like 1171 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:46.000 implemented this never before done time loop mechanic in order to make more with such 1172 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:48.880 a little space. Because you look at it, you can go across Majora's 1173 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:55.119 Mask and like to get from the decou Swamp over to Great Bay. That's 1174 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:59.000 not far. You've clockdowns the center. Obviously it's some stuff in between, 1175 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:03.119 but it's really not big, but it feels big because you get the Hitman 1176 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:08.880 clockwork sense of things progressing on the other side of the world, so it 1177 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:15.239 actually feels as if people are going about their lives while you're racing against time 1178 01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:21.800 to finish this dungeon. My point being, I really love looking at those 1179 01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:27.760 Zelda games that were the weird little like they're almost bottle episodes for the series, 1180 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:32.279 Like these economic constraints forced them to do something weird with lower budget in 1181 01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:36.439 a smaller setting, and that's my favorite games have come out of that. 1182 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:41.520 I've soured on Links Awakening and recently, but I still appreciate the hell out 1183 01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:47.319 of it for it anybody else doesn't playing anything besides, Yeah, Jake, 1184 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:51.800 you're playing something that I'm really curious about because one of the scariest games I've 1185 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:59.880 ever played my entire life is Amnesia, and I downloaded the Bunker and chose 1186 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:02.960 to not play it. I don't know why. I think I got anxiety 1187 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:08.239 because it's very scary for me. It's a legit terrifying game, and I 1188 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:11.000 heard you were playing it, so it's curious what you think about it so 1189 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.880 far. Yeah, so I actually just started. I haven't played a whole 1190 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.680 lot of it, but what I've played so far, I'm quite impressed. 1191 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:20.159 So it is. It takes place during World War One. Basically you're a 1192 01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:28.920 French soldier, you get injured, you get put into a bunker to as 1193 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.960 a doctor looks at you. But while you're knocked unconscious or whatever, the 1194 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:39.399 bunker itself caves in and you wake up and everyone in the bunker is dead. 1195 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:43.680 So basically you're exploring this World War One bunker that's closed off to the 1196 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:48.600 outside world essentially, and there is something in there stalking you and trying to 1197 01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:55.079 kill you. So it definitely leans on that sort of like cat and Mouse 1198 01:27:55.199 --> 01:28:00.279 style horror that kind of became big over the last I mean because of Ama, 1199 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.000 you know, like kind of kicked off that sort of genre of horror 1200 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.760 games. But the thing that's most interesting about it from what I've played so 1201 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:12.680 far is that it's kind of an immersive sim hidden under that um. Probably 1202 01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:15.159 not to the extent I mean definitely not to the extent of something like Dishonored 1203 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.239 or a Thief or something like that, because it is it is very narrow 1204 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:25.319 because it takes place in a bunker. But like you know, after you 1205 01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:28.920 complete the Tori, you wake up, you go into this room and you 1206 01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:33.079 pick up a note and it's like, we need to get the generators started 1207 01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:35.840 here, and we need to get the fuse there and the dynamite there. 1208 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:39.840 And you look at a map and it's like, here's where you go. 1209 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.159 You're not going to tell you how to get there. You're gonna have to 1210 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:45.119 follow signs. Some doors are locked, you have to figure out how to 1211 01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:49.720 open those doors while also trying to avoid this creature. Did you get to 1212 01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:53.640 see it? Look like? Is it gross? I haven't seen it yet. 1213 01:28:53.680 --> 01:28:56.119 It's killed me a couple of times. Usually it gets me from behind. 1214 01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:00.359 How come you don't know? She just it's from behind because it's from 1215 01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:04.760 behind usually. But is it dark? It is very dark? So the 1216 01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:08.720 like I said, I haven't played a whole lot, but the place I'm 1217 01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:13.439 at there is a generator that I can fuel with gasoline. Obviously, obviously 1218 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:18.840 you have a stopwatch, and when that stopwatch runs out, the generator dies. 1219 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:23.720 So basically you're just kind of like tracking how long the generator has and 1220 01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:29.159 that lights the area. So eventually the the it's going to get dark and 1221 01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:32.000 you're going to have to crank your little flashlight in order to see. But 1222 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:38.760 the flashlight makes noise, so the thing's gonna stock you. It seems really 1223 01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:41.800 cool so far. I think the thing that I actually like about it most 1224 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.880 is that it's very tactile, I guess, and how it plays like you 1225 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:48.159 have a gun, but you don't just hit a button to reload. Instead 1226 01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:56.039 you hold X and then you flip open the revolver chamber or the cylinder and 1227 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:58.880 then you can see how much AMMO you've got in there, and then you 1228 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:01.600 have the tap X to load and a bullet individually, and then when you're 1229 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.960 done, you know, you flip it back up and that's how you have 1230 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:09.960 to reload. If there's like a cabinet, you can't just press a button 1231 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:13.960 to open it, like you have to like undo the latch and then open 1232 01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:16.560 it. If the monster's chasing you and you want to lock the door behind 1233 01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:21.319 you, you run in turn close the door and you have to like lock 1234 01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:28.159 it like using the stick. So it's kind of interesting how it plays with 1235 01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:30.640 like how you interact with things. I think it would be a really cool 1236 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:34.880 VR game, But I imagine they're not turning this into a VR game anytime 1237 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:36.800 soon. I mean maybe they are. I haven't looked at it. Can 1238 01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:44.119 you kill the monster with the gun or just slows it down? It slows 1239 01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:45.840 it down. I was just curious, like what the point of the gun 1240 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:49.199 is, because what the most interesting thing of the original game is is that 1241 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:54.760 you just don't attack. So I mean, yeah, you can shoot, 1242 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.079 you can't shoot the monster with the gun, apparently I haven't done it, 1243 01:30:57.119 --> 01:30:59.760 and it slows it down. But what I found myself doing more is I 1244 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:03.359 say, of the gun in order to like shoot open locks, or if 1245 01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:06.239 there's a bunch of rubble in the way, I'll drag an explosive barrel over 1246 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:12.399 there and shoot the barrel. Um. I'm still seeing like how deep that 1247 01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:15.880 immersive sim goes. I don't think it's, like I said, I don't 1248 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.039 think it's quite as deep as something you'd see from Arcane or I mean, 1249 01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:23.520 it might be deeper than Red Fall, but um yeah, there's a low 1250 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:28.920 blow. Yeah, but it it it seems pretty good. Um. I 1251 01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:32.640 think the one issue I've had so far is that the the save systems pretty 1252 01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:39.119 rough. Okay, there's no auto save, uh, and like I'll be 1253 01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:43.119 sneaking around for like twenty minutes and die and then go back twenty minutes and 1254 01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:45.439 it's like, Okay, now I just got to run through these How do 1255 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:48.199 you save? Pick everything up? So you go to rooms. There's certain 1256 01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:51.159 rooms are you save and there's like a lantern that you just light in like 1257 01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:56.119 Resident old Resident Evil style. You're very similar to Residon Evil. I mean 1258 01:31:56.159 --> 01:32:00.439 even down to like there's a there's an item box or a storage box that 1259 01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:04.479 you interact with and put items in and stuff. But it's also aren't there 1260 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:09.399 also maps in the safe room that you can look at to see the bunker? 1261 01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:12.920 Yeah, there are maps in the safe room. You can't take them 1262 01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:14.800 with you, but you can kind of go to those safe rooms and plan 1263 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.960 out, like, Okay, I'm here. I got to get to hear 1264 01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:21.720 and hear and try not to get alerted, and hope that the generator will 1265 01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:25.560 last long enough because if the generator goes out, you have to use your 1266 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:28.720 flashlight. They have to hand crank, and to crank it you have to 1267 01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:33.239 like mash why And if it runs out, I mean, it just makes 1268 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:36.159 a lot of noise. So then that will attract the creature and he will 1269 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:40.239 stalk you and eventually kill you. But yeah, I haven't seen it yet, 1270 01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:44.359 but I'm enjoying it so far. It definitely kind of falls into that 1271 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:47.720 trap of like notes that are super on the nose, Like I picked up 1272 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:53.159 one note that was like, gasoline is flammable, don't smoke near it, 1273 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:56.960 otherwise you'll set things on fire. And it's like, yeah, okay, 1274 01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:00.279 I think I think everyone knows that we're we're at the front lines in World 1275 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:05.119 War One, Like, yeah, that's what gasoline does. Yeah, I 1276 01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:10.159 want to play that game. I like. I like the parallels or I've 1277 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:17.720 heard parallels comparisons to alien isolation and that's I can see that persistent threat monster 1278 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:21.279 hunting you with noise, and apparently there are events that only the monster can 1279 01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:25.640 use in the bunker. That's how I died from behind, because I'll be 1280 01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:29.479 like I'm safe here and then it'll just fucking jump out behind me and pull 1281 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:30.960 me into its little hole and I won't see it and I'll just die. 1282 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:36.640 Pulls you into its hole. Yeah, gotta pay the monster hole, the 1283 01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:44.800 monster hole. Gotta pay the monster toll to get in. If you want 1284 01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:51.600 the baby monsters Hole soul, you gotta pay the whole one toll to get 1285 01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:55.159 in. I want to play that. That's on my list. I think 1286 01:33:55.159 --> 01:34:01.520 you playing on I am playing it on Xbox on game Pass. I got 1287 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.199 a code a while ago and I just haven't tried it until recently, so 1288 01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:06.520 I don't know. It might be think I have a code as well. 1289 01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:10.439 I'm just asking for Mary's sakes so she doesn't buy an accidentally and catch it. 1290 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:17.600 I got your back. Don't worry. Game pass baby, I want 1291 01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:25.920 to play the game. Um, anything else? You guys playing nothing? 1292 01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:30.000 I mean Kingdom two Crowns Mary, What is that? Um? It's an 1293 01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:32.159 old, older game. It's not new. I think in the age of 1294 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:36.079 all these really cool games, this is a weird outlier. But briefly, 1295 01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:43.159 Kingdom two Crowns is um. I think it's the sequel to Kingdom, which 1296 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:48.000 is a very simplified indie game. It is a side scroller where you are 1297 01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:54.680 building your kingdom, and they have probably like the coolest currency system I've ever 1298 01:34:54.720 --> 01:35:00.840 seen, which is it is one coin to take a person who is homeless 1299 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:06.520 essentially and bring them into your kingdom where they will work for you. It 1300 01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:11.720 is one dollar to give them a job. It could be that they are 1301 01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:16.680 a shooter, like a boat hunter probably that's the word, and they shoot 1302 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:21.479 deer and rabbits, and every deer and rabbit they kill gives you one dollar 1303 01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:27.399 in return, so you're investing right dollar to convert them a dollar to give 1304 01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:30.680 them a job, and then they give you money. But you need several 1305 01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:34.079 jobs to keep your kingdom running. One is a hunter. They also defend 1306 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:42.399 you because at night you get attacked. You need builders. They get a 1307 01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.039 little mallet, and then they build buildings, which also cost money, but 1308 01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:48.319 they defend you. You need walls to protect you at night, which I'll 1309 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:55.079 get to. Is this like a side scroller. It's a side scroller, 1310 01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.560 and it looks really simple visually, but I think that's a part of its 1311 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.600 charm is that this game's the game mechanically has been broken down into everything you 1312 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:10.880 really need to be able to build a full kingdom, and it's incredible how 1313 01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:15.439 robust it gets and how deep it gets. I encourage you, if you're 1314 01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:18.760 interested in this, to not look fully at the trailers because they spoil so 1315 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:23.960 many the exciting things that happen. When you play this game and figure it 1316 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:29.439 out and you realize, like at night, how many monsters and things happen 1317 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:31.239 in this game, it gets pretty intense. But at the beginning, all 1318 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:35.479 you're trying to do is survive the night, because at night the monsters come 1319 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:41.159 out and they bash your walls. And your hunters become your little protectors and 1320 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:45.399 they take down the monsters if a monster touches you. I find this neat. 1321 01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:48.960 You'll want to explore because there's lots of interesting things in the forest. 1322 01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:54.520 The builders will knock down trees. You also get a dollar per tree, 1323 01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:57.800 so again it's like a very simple currency thing. Everything's a dollar, which 1324 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:04.640 is really but when you are exploring in the forest, you come across like 1325 01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:09.920 really interesting stuff. I don't want to spoil it. You'll just come across 1326 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:16.640 like weird fallen beings or portals, or like a strange house with an old 1327 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.640 woman who's just like really curious about you. And so you're trying to solve 1328 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:25.560 all these things while keep it growing your kingdom, making it bigger, making 1329 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:30.119 it stronger, and expanding. Essentially, now kingdom to crowns is the same 1330 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:33.159 thing, but it's coop. One of the really cool things about this game 1331 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:38.399 is being able to share it with another person and basically do tower defense with 1332 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:43.960 another individual. That's the key loop that you will love is, Hey, 1333 01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:46.960 you work on expanding, I'm gonna get a bunch of hunters and go hunting, 1334 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:50.680 and then we'll invest in me back at night, and so it's really 1335 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:55.760 fun. Maybe your person will take the left and you'll take the right and 1336 01:37:55.880 --> 01:38:00.600 expand both ways at the same time. But maybe very careful, who has 1337 01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.279 more money, who needs to borrow some money because you need to up a 1338 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:10.560 new building, or you desperately need more hunters because at night your walls are 1339 01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:15.760 being crushed by the monsters. It's really, really fun. The last thing 1340 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.279 I'll say about the money is that it's in a little pouch. You actually 1341 01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:23.159 don't know how much money you have in this game. When you pick up 1342 01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:26.199 coins, it goes into your little pouch, which is in the upper right 1343 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:30.520 of your screen, and when you're really rich, your pouch is full of 1344 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:33.439 coins. Again, it never says you have twenty or thirty or forty coins, 1345 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:38.920 it's just full. And then if it overflows, the coins fall out 1346 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:42.560 of your pouch and you lose them. So the game is telling you don't 1347 01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:46.680 hoard in that way. You need to spend it. And you never really 1348 01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:50.119 know how many coins you have, so at some point you might be running 1349 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:56.199 around being like I'm buying buildings, I'm giving people jobs, I'm you know, 1350 01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:59.399 upgrading this wall, and all of a sudden you'll be out of money 1351 01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:03.159 because you really didn't know exactly how much money you had to be able to 1352 01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:06.279 pay for all these things. It feels very much probably like what it was 1353 01:39:06.359 --> 01:39:10.840 like to construct a city builder back then, which is like, I don't 1354 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:13.960 know, I'm winging it as I go. I hope the monsters don't kill 1355 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:18.760 us tonight. It's really brutal fun tower defense and when you can play with 1356 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:23.279 another person, you get a horse. You can run around on your little 1357 01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:27.079 horsey. It's it's an absolute delight. I think it's a gem of a 1358 01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:29.199 game. It's been out for a really long time. This is not a 1359 01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:33.199 new game, but I redownloaded it on my steam deck the other day and 1360 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:40.560 I find myself playing it all the time. It is just super addictive to 1361 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:44.880 play with another person or by yourself for an hour or two. Kingdom and 1362 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:49.000 Kingdom two Crowns. It's they're fucking phenomenal games. I probably got a Norse 1363 01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:55.000 expansion recently. Ah, the expansions are so good. You can go like, 1364 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:59.119 what's so exciting is like all the creepy, crazy shit they hide in 1365 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:02.359 there. It's nuts. You'll be like running around in the woods. You 1366 01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:09.039 really shouldn't travel too far by yourself because it's risky. If the monsters attack 1367 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:12.760 you, they start pulling dollars out of your pouch, and when you run 1368 01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:15.000 out of dollars, they grab the crown from the top of your head, 1369 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:18.439 and if they if they get the crown from you, the game is over. 1370 01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:20.680 You lose. It's like one of the very few ways I think. 1371 01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:25.079 It's actually the only way you can lose the game is when you lose your 1372 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:30.279 crown. The crowns are their dollars. The crowns are their dollars, so 1373 01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:39.880 the animals. But exploring the woods and finding the weird creatures or the monoliths 1374 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:45.560 or you know, again, the discovery of what's out there, I think 1375 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.039 is what makes the game really fun. It's an absolute gem, man, 1376 01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:53.159 it's a it's a gem. And the expansions are huge, so you could 1377 01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:57.720 easily throw forty hours in this game, like, and it's not that expensive. 1378 01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:01.239 When did this come out? Kingdom is old? Let me look it 1379 01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:05.079 up. Kingdom has been around for a while. Two crowns looks eighteen. 1380 01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:09.960 Oh wow, okay. Kingdom came out in twenty fifteen, and then they 1381 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:15.079 had expansions called new Lands twenty sixteen two Crowns twenty eighteen, and yeah, 1382 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:18.880 and they keep releasing expansions for it because it's popular and it's really good. 1383 01:41:19.239 --> 01:41:27.520 Uh yeah, I mean all the sounds different. It's such a good game. 1384 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.000 I really can't say enough good things about it. I don't think it 1385 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:35.319 I got nothing bad to say about this game. It's phenomenal. I think 1386 01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:39.479 it's a great gift. Buy it for your friends, buy it for your 1387 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:44.560 mom. Oh it's the third game in the series. Yeah, I think 1388 01:41:44.600 --> 01:41:47.239 they had like a second one, but this is like the two. Uh. 1389 01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:51.079 You know, it's got like co op and that's such a benefit of 1390 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:59.479 this game. Cool, I'm gonna try this. It's amazing, and it's 1391 01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:03.119 so simple, you know, like sometimes like tower defenses and stuff, they 1392 01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:05.560 can get too complicated and you're like, what am I doing? This game? 1393 01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:12.520 It builds insane and gets very complicated, but it starts so simple that 1394 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:16.600 even the simplest mind can be like, oh, I need a dollar so 1395 01:42:16.640 --> 01:42:19.840 that I can pay this guy to construct this building. It's not that hard, 1396 01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:23.840 like you can figure it out. But then it gets crazy. I 1397 01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:30.399 like Kingdom milling stuff like Nino Cooney two too. We wanted to call it, 1398 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:36.079 remember, uh, you know, Tuny, I'm to play that. 1399 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:42.920 I played a little bit of steam Deck really or recently. I like Kingdom 1400 01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:46.880 Builders and I love tower Defense. I love like defending from monsters and dealing 1401 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:49.119 with that shit at night. Remember like, remember like the first time you 1402 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:54.000 were like playing Minecraft and someone was like watch out at Nike and you're like, 1403 01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:56.560 what is it night? They're like, well, the fucking monsters come 1404 01:42:56.560 --> 01:43:00.479 out, and it's just like get in the house. This gives you that 1405 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:03.479 same rush where it's like you see the sunset and you're like, I better 1406 01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:10.720 get back to my kingdom because the monsters are coming. You know who else 1407 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:17.560 is coming? Santa Claus. No, Mike, Yeah, Santa Claus is 1408 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:25.920 get he gets off the monsters. And that was the night that Santa Claus 1409 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:35.960 came to came to come. That's just he's coming. He's coming down the 1410 01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:43.920 chimney. You've ruined the childhood. Mary. Have you heard of this game, 1411 01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:49.039 Dave of the Diver? No, I haven't. I haven't played it, 1412 01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:51.479 so I probably shouldn't even bring it up. But it seems like it 1413 01:43:51.560 --> 01:43:56.039 might be up your alley, and I saw it's been getting some pretty good 1414 01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:59.880 reviews. Mike, you're nodding. I think we have a really good review 1415 01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:05.199 going up. But it came out in two early. Now it's coming out 1416 01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:12.479 full release like today, I think reporting tomorrow. Oh sick. And it's 1417 01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:16.399 only on Steam, it's not on game Path. I think it's. Yeah, 1418 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:23.560 so it's like a management um management sim, but like with the kitchen 1419 01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:30.399 sink approach, like you like aliens show up at one point. I might 1420 01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:32.840 be making this up, like it's not a spoiler. You're just you're at 1421 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:36.439 at the first it's like a fishing sim like Dredge or or whatever, and 1422 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:41.960 then all of a sudden, you uh start like you get like a cooking 1423 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:45.760 mini game. And someone showed me a screenshot of his phone and it was 1424 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.920 like a phone screen. There were apps all over it. He's like, 1425 01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:53.720 each of those is like a separate management sim that all plays into this, 1426 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:57.960 but it's all wrapped around these really goofy and dumb cut scenes. Um. 1427 01:44:58.039 --> 01:45:02.880 Yeah, people are really liking that game game. This looks great. I'm 1428 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:08.000 going to download it. Thanks for the wreck. Yeah yeah, I'm excited 1429 01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:11.840 to check it out too. Yeah. Anything else or do you want to 1430 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:16.560 do emails? Email? Ye? Okay? As usually you can write into 1431 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:21.920 fire Escape Cast at gmail dot com, Questions, comments, concerns, corrections 1432 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:26.680 which I throw in the trash, not kidding we have. We've actually been 1433 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:36.439 reading corrections recently for Dan's vacuum confusion, for Mary's defense of esports. My 1434 01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:43.079 clarification that I think esports are entirely valid way to make a living and entertain 1435 01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:47.000 people. You know, that gets brushed aside because people want blood and they 1436 01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:51.560 want Dan and Mary to argue, and that's what that's what we do firescapecast 1437 01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:56.319 gmail dot com. And you can write in questions that we might read on 1438 01:45:56.359 --> 01:46:01.319 the air. Mary, do you want to read this first one from Emmy? 1439 01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:10.920 Yes, hi there. Mary's comment on episode fifty seven about punishing herself 1440 01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:15.640 doing things she doesn't enjoy doing during Zelda made me think about something I've been 1441 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:20.600 exploring lately. I was recently diagnosed with OCD, and it caused me to 1442 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:26.039 think more deeply about some of my behaviors, many of which I'm learning are 1443 01:46:26.079 --> 01:46:30.920 actually compulsions. For example, finally clicked why I like why. I felt 1444 01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:36.359 like I had to get every Pokemon in every box to the same base level 1445 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:41.239 before moving on to the next area, even when it made the games miserable 1446 01:46:41.319 --> 01:46:45.079 and kept me from ever finishing one. Has there ever been a video game 1447 01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:49.520 that caused you to reflect on an aspect of your personality or behavior, good 1448 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:54.760 or bad? Bonus points if the video game wasn't designed to prop that kind 1449 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:58.359 of thinking. I really enjoy the show. Thanks for all the fun times, 1450 01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:04.399 Emmy. You, Emmy, appreciate this war Frame. I know. 1451 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:09.479 I actually you just don't say anything else. You just say war Frame. 1452 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:15.399 We've talked about this before. I don't play war Frame anymore. I I 1453 01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:20.000 tend to reserve the word addicting for video games for very rare cases when it's 1454 01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:26.479 actually addictive, And to me, war Frame was. It was getting to 1455 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:30.600 a point where, like I could see being addicted to this. I think 1456 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.399 it's a great game. I appreciate so much what it does. I love 1457 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:35.680 it. If I'm looking back, Sure, it's one of my favorite games 1458 01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:40.960 I've ever played. It was getting to a point where I could see myself 1459 01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:46.680 playing it out of compulsion. Sometimes there's always like twelve more things to collect. 1460 01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:48.720 There's each of those, you can upgrade, each of those, you 1461 01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:51.880 can then mod. Oh, now there's new mods to get. But I 1462 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:56.399 didn't really enjoy what I was doing to get it. It was just sure, 1463 01:47:56.439 --> 01:48:00.479 I'm describing a grind, which a lot of people feel see as rewarding, 1464 01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:02.680 and I know many people who play war Frame who see it as very 1465 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:09.279 rewarding used to their time. To me, it was like I didn't really 1466 01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:11.520 think to myself, oh, I want to play war Frame. I just 1467 01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:14.760 kind of like woke up in the morning and played it and then realized, 1468 01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:17.760 fuck, now I have to play another two hours. Like I dropped it 1469 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:25.079 at a certain point when I realized, yes, I definitely I think I 1470 01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:30.680 have an addictive personality sometimes with certain things war Frame, and war Frame is 1471 01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:35.359 not the first time I've learned that, but war as a video game, 1472 01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:40.239 that was the first time I've had to first time ever in my life I've 1473 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:46.560 had to stop playing a game because I knew it was could get not bad, 1474 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:49.840 not to the point you see on like not to the points you hear 1475 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:55.560 where like people are in those like World of Warcraft cafes or Internet cafes and 1476 01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:57.880 just like don't eat for two days. And it wasn't that bad. But 1477 01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:01.119 I was like the thing that I realized Warframes like it's keeping me from doing 1478 01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:08.000 other things that I really value it's keeping me from learning a language, and 1479 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:12.399 it's keeping me from writing, and it's keeping me from like who's keeping me 1480 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:14.840 from doing other things I found more important in my life. So I was 1481 01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:17.319 like, Okay, it's good to know I can actually drop something though, 1482 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:25.640 like I haven't played in two three years. Maybe good game, though, 1483 01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:29.359 I will say a lot a lot of good things about it, and then 1484 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:35.119 really quick also other thing. I know that both of you, but probably 1485 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:40.159 especially Jake, know that I have a deep inside. Well now it's deep 1486 01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:43.239 inside. It was not always deep inside. I have a control freak streak, 1487 01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:48.920 and strategy games I really enjoy because I think that's a healthy outlet to 1488 01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:54.000 get that out. I still play. They are billions often, like that 1489 01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:58.720 game is the ultimate turtling real time strategy. When to expand, Oh shit, 1490 01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:00.920 there's a little corner of my wall exposed. Let's go put someone there. 1491 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:03.760 No, this workers not doing I want them to do. There's only 1492 01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:09.560 three people in that watchtower. There could be four strategy games for me total 1493 01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:12.239 World Warhammer three. I enjoy them and I think there's a lot of craft 1494 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.399 that goes into them, and they're impressive when they're balanced. Well also for 1495 01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:20.560 me, personally. They help with anxiety and they help me get like extreme 1496 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:26.119 control tendencies out in a healthy way because I'm not doing it to another fucking 1497 01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:28.199 person, which I have not done in years, thankfully. But like, 1498 01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:32.359 strategy games are always a good outlet for that, And that's less a case 1499 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:38.640 where the game taught me that about myself and I realized that games could be 1500 01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:41.800 a healthy outlet for that, much like horror movies are a healthy outlet to 1501 01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:45.479 be like to scent, feel fear, I think strategy games are in a 1502 01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:47.640 way a healthy outlet for me to be like, all right, let's go 1503 01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:54.319 be a control freak and not affect someone negatively aside from these little digital tiny 1504 01:50:54.520 --> 01:51:00.680 zombies I'm killing. What about you, Jake. I'm not a very competitive 1505 01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:10.640 person unless it comes to Super Smash Bros. I have fun playing with people 1506 01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:13.880 in the room with me, but a lot of people I used to play 1507 01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:17.199 with got really into Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Online. And there's this thing 1508 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:21.920 and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Online called oh god, what's it called. 1509 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:27.880 Basically, like, if you get a character to a high enough GSP, 1510 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:31.079 you enter Elite Smash That's what it's called. And that character can play against 1511 01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:39.479 the best of the best, supposedly, but to get there is an incredibly 1512 01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:43.560 painful process that took so much out of me. I think I broke two 1513 01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:50.600 controllers, two WU Pro controllers. I damaged my desk playing this fucking game, 1514 01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:57.880 and a lot of it. Like I'm good enough at Smash Bros. 1515 01:51:57.920 --> 01:51:59.880 To know I'm bad at Smash Bros. Is the way I put it. 1516 01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:04.600 But when you play online that that online infrastructure is so bad. There's always 1517 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:09.640 delay. So like a lot of times when I'd get mad, it wasn't 1518 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:12.840 because of the game itself. Always it was because of the delay. But 1519 01:52:12.920 --> 01:52:16.119 anyway I put in, like good enough, or you know enough about the 1520 01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:19.880 game to know how little you know exactly? Yeah, yeah, But anyway, 1521 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:24.319 over during the pandemic, I played a lot because I didn't have a 1522 01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:26.479 lot to do, and that's how my friends and I caught up. So 1523 01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:30.840 I got really into Super Smash Bros. Again, and I played a lot 1524 01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:33.199 of online to the point where, like like you were saying, Mike, 1525 01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:36.159 I'd wake up in the morning I had a whole spreadsheet of all the drills 1526 01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:41.840 I had to run through every single day to get good. Supposedly at Super 1527 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:45.039 Smash Bros. And like, it just got to the point where I was 1528 01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:46.960 just I was just pissed off playing it. I hated playing it, but 1529 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:51.760 I did it anyway, and I had to step away. Now I only 1530 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:56.920 play Super Smash Bros. When someone is sitting next to me and we can 1531 01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.960 have a good time because I'm not as competitive. Then it's just fun. 1532 01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:03.079 But yeah, like, for some reason online in that game brings out the 1533 01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:08.640 competitive side to me and probably took too long, but at least I realized 1534 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:11.159 it was unhealthy and was like, yeah, I can't. I can't play 1535 01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:15.359 this game anymore. What about you, Mary, I'd like to be cozy. 1536 01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:19.760 I feel similarly to Jake. I well, no, actually, you 1537 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:25.600 said you're not usually competitive. I'm extremely competitive. Punched a guy this weekend 1538 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:30.159 because I punched a guy this week over missus pac Man h our House. 1539 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.720 Okay, sorry, sorry Mary. Mary. She does get she gets married 1540 01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:38.159 in the game. You know, she she retains the miss though, because 1541 01:53:38.159 --> 01:53:41.399 she doesn't want to be identified by her husband. She doesn't she doesn't want 1542 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:44.279 the patriarchy to take over. Mary. Do you do you mean Jake to 1543 01:53:44.279 --> 01:53:46.399 explain how this works to you? Yeah, it's least man splain to me 1544 01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:51.279 Miss pac Man as like the first, like probably one of the very first 1545 01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:57.079 female protags in a game. The story is is that she meets pac Man, 1546 01:53:57.520 --> 01:54:01.560 falls in love, and has baby like just let me eat these dots 1547 01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:09.720 anyway, My toxic trait is that when we play time trial games, I 1548 01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:15.520 get addicted to beating my friend's scores, and even though my time can be 1549 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:20.880 good, it's not satisfying to me if I can't beat my friend's scores. 1550 01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:27.520 And that happened in Devil Daggers, it happened in Neon White, it happened 1551 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:32.239 in many games in the history of my existence. And anytime you're allowed to 1552 01:54:32.279 --> 01:54:38.279 compare your games to your score, your time to your friends, I end 1553 01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:41.800 up getting into a weird loop where I get addicted to beating my friends, 1554 01:54:41.840 --> 01:54:45.720 and when I don't kind of eats me up inside, and I spend way 1555 01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:49.520 too much time not having fun and just trying to beat their scores. And 1556 01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:53.800 this is intended by the game, so I don't get my bonus points. 1557 01:54:54.159 --> 01:55:00.359 But I will say that it is a vicious cycle to try and a game 1558 01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:02.800 that I'm not even having fun playing anymore because I have to beat someone's score. 1559 01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:09.239 That sucks, and I will do it because I can't lose to Dan 1560 01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:13.000 or Jeff grow I was gonna say, I feel like Dan is a toxic 1561 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:20.880 friendship for you. Bonk told me that she like they like talked about it, 1562 01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:23.840 and he was like, do you think I went too far? And 1563 01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:26.880 she was like, I think he went too far. So I was like, 1564 01:55:27.319 --> 01:55:30.279 I was incensed. I was like, I'll fucking kill you if you 1565 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:33.720 come up to me and talk to me about this game. I'm so mad 1566 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:38.600 at you. And he wouldn't let it go. He knew he was kissing 1567 01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:42.119 me off and he kept prodding me. Yeah. I think that's why Dan 1568 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:44.119 and I have always I mean, that's one of the reasons Dan and I 1569 01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:47.560 have always gotten along. Well. I think I can just drop something like 1570 01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:50.239 that and be like, I don't care. It really is not bothering me. 1571 01:55:50.640 --> 01:55:54.920 I have other things to care about besides having more points than you in 1572 01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:57.920 this game. Not that I look down upon it, just for some reason 1573 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.840 my personality, I'm like, it's all I have. I gotta go. 1574 01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:05.000 I've got cocktails to make like this is I got more important stuff to do. 1575 01:56:05.079 --> 01:56:11.640 But he'll he'll sense when someone is like you and just like really pounce 1576 01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:19.439 on it and and then you'll punch him. He knew that it was bothering 1577 01:56:19.520 --> 01:56:26.560 me and he was succeeding, But what he wasn't aware of was that he 1578 01:56:26.640 --> 01:56:30.960 had to sleep sometime. And I beat that score at seven thirty in the 1579 01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:38.520 morning on a Saturday. My toxic game is miss pac Man. There. 1580 01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:42.359 It is that, that fucking, stupid fucking game. I saw you do 1581 01:56:42.439 --> 01:56:45.079 the first one that was later and they but the best score was in the 1582 01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:48.720 morning that Saturday. But I saw you do the one on Friday. The 1583 01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:51.079 first time you beat him, and the second time you beat him, I 1584 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:59.800 did not see. I get more competitive with like lawn games and what do 1585 01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:02.760 you want to call them? I don't know, pool, foosball, darts, 1586 01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:11.600 I don't even know what you call those. Their a term billiard games. 1587 01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:14.920 I don't know get you know what I'm saying, Things that take a 1588 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:18.960 little bit of even if it's only a little bit, but like a little 1589 01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:24.720 bit of movement. I'm harder on myself, used to be somewhat of an 1590 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:27.560 athlete, so I think those feel like more of a failure. If I 1591 01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:30.159 don't win, I'm like, well, fuck, I could have done like 1592 01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:33.199 something better with my that throw where's video games? Like? Oh, I 1593 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:36.880 just, I just I wasn't connecting with the character as much. But I 1594 01:57:36.920 --> 01:57:46.159 don't know, but yeah, thanks for writing in emmy. I'll read this 1595 01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:54.279 one from Darien Dear Escapees. I had a four hour layover in Minneapolis in 1596 01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:57.439 the way back to Kannada. As airports go, it was very nice. 1597 01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:01.079 Have you ever formed an impressional place based on its airport or other such transportation 1598 01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:11.880 terminal? Cheers Darien from Toronto, Newark. I was gonna say, you're 1599 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.359 probably were looking down on Jersey when you first landed there. Yeah. We 1600 01:58:15.439 --> 01:58:16.640 went there and I was like, you know, Jerse doesn't seem too bad. 1601 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:19.560 And then my flight got delayed and I was like, I don't like 1602 01:58:19.680 --> 01:58:24.119 this place. Yeah, the new Wing is actually really nice, though. 1603 01:58:24.520 --> 01:58:30.800 That's I feel like I always end up in that shitty wing that never has 1604 01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:35.479 enough spots for people. And like we were there like seven am and the 1605 01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:40.319 Starbucks was out of food in the in the heater didn't work and that was 1606 01:58:40.399 --> 01:58:44.039 the or the microwave didn't work and that was the only place to get breakfast. 1607 01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:46.359 I was like, can I get a bacon sandwich and they're like, 1608 01:58:46.359 --> 01:58:53.960 oh, we're out of those seven am Alaska. Oh, which the new 1609 01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.159 terminal is the United one, which is like there, it's a huge United 1610 01:58:57.199 --> 01:59:00.279 Hub. All right, I'm gonna fly United next time. I've also been 1611 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:06.439 the JFK. The new parts of JFK are super nice as well. Coincidentally, 1612 01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:13.000 when we landed at Portland, Portland's airport at least I don't know how 1613 01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:15.600 many terminals it is, but wherever we landed when we got in, it 1614 01:59:15.680 --> 01:59:21.319 was like looked like a log cabin the terminal itself with like very colorful rugs 1615 01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:25.560 and patterns, like a rug that would be in a living room, just 1616 01:59:25.640 --> 01:59:28.920 stretched as far as the eye could see. And then the stores all looked 1617 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:32.760 like at like storefronts in the Adirondacks, like wood wooden cabins. Will be 1618 01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:35.800 like, oh, Portland is kind of cozy already, and I'm only at 1619 01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:40.319 the airport, Like I don't know if cozy's the right word. Yeah, 1620 01:59:40.479 --> 01:59:45.479 Portland to me was cozy when we were there, but it felt very bucolic 1621 01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:49.600 as soon as we entered the terminal, and I liked it. What the 1622 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:56.000 hell does bucolic mean? Pastoral? Kind of serene in a rural sense, 1623 01:59:56.399 --> 02:00:00.439 but it's not rural. Not rurals the wrong word, but like was in 1624 02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:08.159 touch with nature when I landed in Portland. Detroit. It's a fabulous airport. 1625 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:14.560 Detroit must be great. It's probably one of the best airports I've ever 1626 02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:18.119 been to. I want to know, I've never been to. It's fucking 1627 02:00:18.119 --> 02:00:24.720 gorgeous and it's got everything you need, and man, it really really paints 1628 02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:30.479 the light for that city. I had some great airports. Have you ever 1629 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:34.479 been? Have you been to the Denver Airport? I've laid over any once. 1630 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:39.760 Yeah. I don't know if this counts because I guess I've been to 1631 02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:45.640 Denver and been there multiple times. But that airport is fucking weird. I 1632 02:00:45.680 --> 02:00:49.640 think when you enter, they have like one of the what are they the 1633 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:55.119 horse of Death, one of the four horsemen outside and then there's this whole 1634 02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:59.439 theory that I think like aliens live underground and there and they have a bunch 1635 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:02.079 of Satan rituals under it, and they like kind of lean into it a 1636 02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:05.560 little bit. Like a lot of the ads will reference it when you're in 1637 02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:12.520 there, and like some of the areas reference it. It's kind of strange. 1638 02:01:12.720 --> 02:01:15.680 It's a weird airport. But it's not that weird. It's still an 1639 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:19.000 airport. But yeah, the statue is what gets a lot of people, 1640 02:01:19.079 --> 02:01:24.840 Like there's petitions to take that statue down because I guess the guy who made 1641 02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:28.520 it or who was working on it, it fell on him and killed him, 1642 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:30.560 and then his son took over and I think it killed his son or 1643 02:01:30.600 --> 02:01:35.680 injured his son or something like that. But it's still there, at least. 1644 02:01:35.680 --> 02:01:38.760 This is what my friends who live in Denver tell me. They could 1645 02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:44.159 just be telling everything from the barbed wire fence along the perimeter facing inwards supposedly 1646 02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:49.199 to keep hypothetical prisoners within, to the dark subliminal messaging that could be extracted 1647 02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:55.000 from the murals paint on larger walls scattered throughout the terminals has been theorized. 1648 02:01:56.840 --> 02:02:00.840 The name of the blue Mustang statue is Blucifer. Yeah, that's what it 1649 02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:12.079 is. It unsuspectedly killed its maker. Yeah. The statue is originally commissioned 1650 02:02:12.119 --> 02:02:15.079 to be built by the city of Denver in the mid nineteen nineties. Airport 1651 02:02:15.159 --> 02:02:25.720 itself was unneeded. Yeah, they killed artist Luis Jimenez. Damn nine thousand 1652 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:31.439 pounds. Oh my god, have you finished posthumous Leib's family friend and professional 1653 02:02:31.439 --> 02:02:42.720 low riders and race car painters. Geez, that is gruesome. Yeah, 1654 02:02:41.880 --> 02:02:45.760 it's a weird airport. People say it's haunted, but like, apart from 1655 02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:48.680 the ads that are just like kind of reference it, it's just like a 1656 02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:56.359 normal fucking airport. It's like any other airport. Denver Airport. Aliens aliens. 1657 02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:00.399 It may not be aliens, it may be a cult or something. 1658 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:02.439 I think it's lizard men. Lizard men. Yeah, yeah, that's what 1659 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:06.920 it is. Oh wait, there are grinning gargoyles statues protecting the baggage claim 1660 02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:12.760 areas weird. There are these weird, demonic looking gargoyles, like with long 1661 02:03:12.840 --> 02:03:17.039 tongues, sitting in open suitcases on these pedestals, like watching over baggage claim. 1662 02:03:20.600 --> 02:03:25.239 Weird. Now, I don't think I have laid over. I would 1663 02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:29.039 have remembered all this. I feel like the first time I ever had to 1664 02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:30.840 sleep on the floor of an airport, it was Washington Dulless. I had 1665 02:03:30.840 --> 02:03:34.520 already been to Washington, d C. By that point, though I still 1666 02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:43.439 hate dullas I refused to fly through there. But also when I laid over 1667 02:03:43.479 --> 02:03:47.520 in Dublin, I have never been to Ireland. Still have not. And 1668 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:50.720 I laid over in Dublin in the way to London, and I was like, 1669 02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:53.920 I'm here, I might as well get a Guinness, even if it's 1670 02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:57.359 the airport. And they poured it extremely well at the airport bar, and 1671 02:03:57.399 --> 02:04:01.439 I had this huge window to look out over these green rolling fields. Yeah, 1672 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:06.239 I think I'd like I'd like Ireland. Turns out I would like it. 1673 02:04:06.319 --> 02:04:11.720 I gotta go visit. Got family members all over it. Thank you. 1674 02:04:12.039 --> 02:04:15.720 My steam deck to Europe. No, I'm just kidding. Do it 1675 02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:20.640 every want? No? Like? Can I charge it? I mean, 1676 02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:24.760 if you have one of the adapter things. I have an adapter, but 1677 02:04:24.800 --> 02:04:29.039 it won't like blow up, will it? Yes? Because you know you 1678 02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:33.880 can't use like hair dryers and your implode. It should be fine. Do 1679 02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:38.000 you have a funny joke, like, oh, I don't have a joke. 1680 02:04:38.439 --> 02:04:45.279 Stop trying to force me make implosion jokes. I don't do poor taste 1681 02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.359 jokes anymore. I never did. All my jokes are in good taste. 1682 02:04:48.520 --> 02:04:53.399 You should do an implosion joke. But in one of your voices, people 1683 02:04:53.680 --> 02:05:01.359 love that. I'm just a whole baby be just recently won the difference between 1684 02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:11.720 I quoting and exploding. That's neutral, completely, completely, completely unrelated. 1685 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:18.199 I was watching um James Cameron Deep Sea Challenge, like our long documentary that 1686 02:05:18.399 --> 02:05:23.000 too. I did too. I think a lot of people are turns out, 1687 02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:26.319 James Cameron is a I mean, everybody knows. Like the joke is 1688 02:05:26.319 --> 02:05:30.319 that he funds his He makes all his movies to fund his deep sea research. 1689 02:05:31.119 --> 02:05:36.840 That submarine he built, the deep Sea Challenger is fucking cool, fucking 1690 02:05:36.840 --> 02:05:43.199 torpedo down to the ocean floor. No challenge, not me, thank you. 1691 02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:48.319 He seems like a douche, but he seems like he knows it and 1692 02:05:48.399 --> 02:05:50.760 he just leans into it, and I respect the hell out of it. 1693 02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:54.479 Oh yeah. I don't know if you saw that story that was kind of 1694 02:05:54.520 --> 02:06:00.119 going around recently, but I guess like an avatar the Blue People shoot the 1695 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:03.000 bone arrow is a certain way and an Olympic archer was like, no, 1696 02:06:03.079 --> 02:06:06.399 that's impossible, and he's like is it and then just did it and hit 1697 02:06:06.439 --> 02:06:10.319 the target and it's like, I think it's possible, and then made up 1698 02:06:10.399 --> 02:06:14.479 the blue people, the Navvy or whatever shoot that way, and I was 1699 02:06:14.520 --> 02:06:18.720 like, all right, I like that. Yeah, he's he seems like 1700 02:06:18.720 --> 02:06:24.119 some like a renaissance man like he He assembled a team to make a sub 1701 02:06:24.319 --> 02:06:30.239 of a well, put together a submarine, and it He was the second 1702 02:06:30.359 --> 02:06:36.720 third person ever technically second submersible ever to reach the bottom of He did not 1703 02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:41.520 go to the same spot in the Mariannas Trench Marianna Trench, but he went 1704 02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:45.800 to a different trough, the Challenger Deep. But he was trying to get 1705 02:06:45.840 --> 02:06:50.000 lower than the two dudes who did in nineteen sixty, but their spot was 1706 02:06:50.039 --> 02:06:57.000 also just about as low. His trip went well, all completely unrelated to 1707 02:06:57.000 --> 02:07:01.319 the joke I was telling, Are you sure? Completely unrelated to the joke 1708 02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:12.039 I told during our break, which we will cut. That's it, people, 1709 02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:15.479 joke. We should make a patron tier like fifty dollars a month that 1710 02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:19.640 like you can hear all the jokes we cut, and then for like two 1711 02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:24.680 thousand you have all of the ship we talk in between, you know, 1712 02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:26.920 two thousand dollars a month, you can listen to what we talk about on 1713 02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:30.880 breaks. You, however, do have to sign an NBA getting canceled for 1714 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:35.479 two thousand? No, yeah, let's not do that. We don't get 1715 02:07:35.479 --> 02:07:41.199 canceled. Just we lose a lot of we burn a lot of bridges from 1716 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:48.319 colleagues because I don't like most of my colleagues, the vast majority. If 1717 02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:53.239 if I like you, you know, and if you if you're not sure, 1718 02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:58.600 I probably don't like you. Alright, alright. Top Top five least 1719 02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:05.920 favorite coworkers Jake Beep beep this next like thirty seconds, Okay, number one. 1720 02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:11.239 And the funny thing is, I'm so open about it with you two 1721 02:08:11.279 --> 02:08:13.159 that or and Dan as well, but like you probably had a name in 1722 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:16.880 your head when I just said number one already, and it might not be 1723 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:22.119 the same person. I'm just pretty open with who I don't like, but 1724 02:08:22.159 --> 02:08:28.239 sometimes to their faces. I'm I'm no longer a confrontational person. Actually, 1725 02:08:28.239 --> 02:08:33.039 I'm still pretty confrontational, but in a healthy way. I don't punch people 1726 02:08:33.039 --> 02:08:37.800 because they're beating me. In his pac man, I was incensed by him. 1727 02:08:37.079 --> 02:08:43.439 He earned that punch. I don't condone punching, but he had it 1728 02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:46.920 coming. I am. I know. This is kind of a refrain about 1729 02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:54.079 Dan's path through life. I will say I'm surprised he has not been threatened 1730 02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:56.920 more often, or maybe he has and I just don't know it. I 1731 02:08:56.920 --> 02:09:01.840 mean, I threatened him good, Yeah, And I wonder if he's gotten 1732 02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:05.520 more Charlie horses like the one you gave him than he like has told us. 1733 02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:11.840 It was a legit punch. I did use all of my force. 1734 02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:13.680 I didn't you know. It wasn't like a little hah stop it, Bud. 1735 02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:18.119 I was mad and punched him, and I do think it shocked both 1736 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:20.479 of us that I did it. But I don't think he expected it, 1737 02:09:20.479 --> 02:09:24.399 and I was. I felt bad almost instantly, but I'm I was mad. 1738 02:09:24.920 --> 02:09:28.960 You know the phrase cruising for a bruising like he is the most literal 1739 02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:35.439 his whole life, he's been Have you seen grease lightning? He's got to 1740 02:09:35.479 --> 02:09:37.560 have a bruise in his shoulder right now. I wonder, I wonder how 1741 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:43.239 tendy he is. I should ask him don't apologize, though I feel like 1742 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:46.520 I owe him, it's not the answer. I feel like I owe him 1743 02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:52.079 an apology. Do you feel like you'd implode if you didn't apologize? This 1744 02:09:52.239 --> 02:09:56.920 is no God, this is I was just using a different word than Do 1745 02:09:56.960 --> 02:10:03.399 you feel like you're bottling it all up? Just feel like I'm you censoring 1746 02:10:03.439 --> 02:10:09.439 yourself has created your own Disney villain, like you have become the person who 1747 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:13.000 will use. I'm not referencing anything. I just used a word. This 1748 02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:18.359 is come on, trying to end the episode. Let me end it. 1749 02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:22.239 Stop laughing at inane words I'm using. I don't choose my words that deliberately. 1750 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:31.279 Do you're psychotic? No? I don't. All right, Oh god, 1751 02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:35.119 okay, I'm not gonna say that one. Um. Subscribe to the 1752 02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:39.880 patreons here where you hear all my jokes. Um speaking of though, Yeah, 1753 02:10:39.920 --> 02:10:43.159 go to Patreon and look for fire Escape, or just go to firescape 1754 02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:48.439 cast dot com. You can become a patron. You can get ad free 1755 02:10:48.439 --> 02:10:50.319 episodes, you can get the video episodes. You can see the recordings. 1756 02:10:50.319 --> 02:11:00.000 You can see Jake's handsome face, you can see Mary's Pikachu in the background. 1757 02:10:58.680 --> 02:11:03.079 You can see Scarlett Cat made a brief appearance earlier, the beers that 1758 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:09.399 were drinking the You can also just treat treat it like a tip jar if 1759 02:11:09.439 --> 02:11:11.840 you appreciate what we're doing. Who want to want to and you want to 1760 02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:13.279 give, you want to get, you gotta give, You don't have to, 1761 02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:18.640 um, but also Mary, tell them where people can get some hot 1762 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:24.960 merch. Can people pay it forward? You got a kid fifty five tank 1763 02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:30.920 tops fifty five. You can go to fire Escape merch dot com to get 1764 02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:35.079 some sick merch. We got good merch ideas. We have ideas for future 1765 02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:37.560 merch. But right now we just have the fire Escape logo on some sick 1766 02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:43.840 banana yellow T shirts. Go get them. That's not that's one thousand percent 1767 02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:46.239 false only banana yello. You just said it all right now, we just 1768 02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:50.960 have the fire Escape logo and banana yellow T shirts. There's also mousepads and 1769 02:11:50.079 --> 02:11:58.319 mugs and water bottles you sell, so like just you're the anti salesperson during 1770 02:11:58.319 --> 02:12:03.920 the merch pitch, Dan, you keep asking me if you don't like the 1771 02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:07.039 way I do it, You're up person. You're there the CMO. We've 1772 02:12:07.079 --> 02:12:11.359 figured this out at the Vineyard. Mary's the CMO. I'm the CFO and 1773 02:12:11.479 --> 02:12:18.680 kind of the CEO. Dan is just creative director. See what would that 1774 02:12:18.680 --> 02:12:26.439 be. C's some guy c CCO. Everything financially on him, Jake CTO. 1775 02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:35.319 We don't have a CEO. Probably simon ce me no c Cimonio, 1776 02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:43.359 Simonio. Jake beat tell people to go give us five stars on every platform. 1777 02:12:43.880 --> 02:12:46.359 You're about to call me Dan before I know, Dan, tell people 1778 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:50.920 what they can do on Spotify and iTunes and five stars only five stars. 1779 02:12:50.119 --> 02:12:54.000 If you want to give less than five stars, you should. You should 1780 02:12:54.680 --> 02:13:01.680 send that to like kind of funny giant bombs per second, friends per second. 1781 02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:05.079 That that's where we that's where we collate our our four star ratings. 1782 02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:09.880 So someone was talking about friends per second the other night and I over I 1783 02:13:11.199 --> 02:13:13.560 heard the phrase instead French prosecco, and I was like, that's not a 1784 02:13:13.680 --> 02:13:24.359 thing. Prosecco's Italian. It'll be soon French prosecco. Anyway, riveting we 1785 02:13:24.600 --> 02:13:26.840 will or no, wait, actually, Mary, what do you have going 1786 02:13:26.880 --> 02:13:30.399 on the meantime besides Resident Knevil, which we need to record soon. Yeah, 1787 02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:41.560 I am off to I'll have stories of Croissans and all the doors that 1788 02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:46.840 I smashed into like an absolute buffoon, motor boating down the Seine. That's 1789 02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:52.840 that's what I'll say, Yeah, motor boating people down the Seine. Jake, 1790 02:13:52.880 --> 02:13:56.800 what do you have going on beside your top secret James Bond trip? 1791 02:13:56.840 --> 02:14:03.279 You're going on nothing? That's it? Yeah? Nothing, sick. Well, 1792 02:14:03.640 --> 02:14:09.399 I'm gonna I'm gonna try to enjoy the long weekend and hang out and 1793 02:14:09.159 --> 02:14:13.760 maybe play video games. Maybe not it'll be good. I'm over at Polygon. 1794 02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:18.960 You read my stuff there or don't see if I care, I won't. 1795 02:14:20.560 --> 02:14:24.239 All right, Thank you everybody that was us. We will be back 1796 02:14:24.079 --> 02:14:33.520 after the holiday with July seventeenth, will be deep into that July, deep 1797 02:14:33.560 --> 02:14:37.720 in that July, be deep into July. We're getting into the summer, 1798 02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:43.159 getting closer to getting closer. Some more big games toward the end, be 1799 02:14:43.319 --> 02:14:50.359 Balder's Gate, three Armored Course, six Ports, Starfield, and then that 1800 02:14:50.560 --> 02:14:54.840 buttload of games in October, which I will be on vacation and not have 1801 02:14:54.960 --> 02:14:58.520 to fucking worry about. Fucking great. All right, everybody, thanks for 1802 02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:01.920 joining, Thank you. We will see you in a couple of weeks. 1803 02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:11.479 Bye Goo.