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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Hey,
that's me, he's talking. Oh yeah,

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the show starting. Oh my gosh, it's Alejandro. How are you.

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This is Open Minds Radio and we're
really happy to have you with us

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again. We weren't able to be
here last week. I actually had some

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family in town and I selfishly took
the day off, denying you your regular

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weekly dose of Open Minds Radio.
And I do humbly apologize, but we're

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really happy to be back, and
you're gonna get more than you ever wanted.

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Nah, we'll leave the more.
Don't worry about it. Of Jason

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and I because this is one of
our UFO News specials. And really I've

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been wanting to do this. We've
been wanting to do this ever since the

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Congress, but we kind of had
some other cool stuff going on, so

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we've had some other people on the
show. Of course, so Phoenix Lights

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Anniversary was earlier in March, so
we're able to get around to it now.

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We are going to have a really
cool show next week. We've already

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got that lined up, and that
is David Paris, who's actually a University

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of Nebraska professor. He actually teaches
on several topics at several schools, including

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physics and astronomy and geology. Very
intelligent person, and we'll be talking about

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the science of UFOs. In fact, he has his very own theories,

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very good ones, by the way, on UFOs and their propulsion. And

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you may have heard some people the
triangle where there's been at least one instance

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where a plane kind of went into
this tunnel of clouds and then had kind

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of a like the opposite of missing
time, where all of a sudden he

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was a lot further than he should
have been. And David Paris has a

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theory about this, very technical,
and he thinks that this is what these

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UFOs are using as propulsion. Very
interesting stuff. So this is going to

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be a lot of fun next week
talking to David Paris. This week,

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we're going to talk a lot about
all the news that we've got to catch

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up with, because you know,
the last couple of shows have been pretty

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long. We had Grant Cameron and
we kind of cut the new short in

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order to get all that, and
then we didn't have news last week.

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So let's get into all of the
news that is fit to print on UFOs.

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And we have with us this guy
who is just really extraordinary at what

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he does, and that is Jason
McClellan, our UFO news correspondent. Hello

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Jason, Hello Alejandro, UFO News
Time. Huh. That's right. It

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has been a while. All day
every day, we haven't had a chance

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to do our usual UFO chat,
and there's been some interesting stuff that I've

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definitely wanted to talk with you about. Yeah, very much. I wanted

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to start with this one just because
you and I were just talking about the

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UK, So I'll start with this
one. But kind of an interesting story.

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A councilor from Yorkshire, England,
claims his real mother was an extraterrestrial.

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His name is Simon Parks and he
was elected to Whitby Town Council in

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February as a Labor Party candidate,
and he says he met a nine foot

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tall green extraterrestrial when he was only
six months old, and this extraterrestrial claimed

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to be his real mother. He
alleged he has had more than one hundred

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extraterrestrial visitations during his lifetime, and
according to the Yorkshire Post, Parks has

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been the quote subject of horrific alien
operations and had an implant put into his

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hand by the creatures. Parks also
claims that age at age eleven, his

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extraterrestrial mother took him aboard a UFO. His extraterrestrial beliefs were reportedly not an

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issue that was raised during his campaign. That's surprising, but according to the

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Northern Echo, Park states quote,
it's a personal matter and it doesn't affect

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it might work. Did when did
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come out before his campaign? I
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that it wasn't an issue. I
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week or two ago. But I
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bit, I know that the story's
been out there. He certainly, if

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you look on YouTube, he's got
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detail about these encounters with extraterrestrials.
So it doesn't seem to be a recent

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happening. But you know, I
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States, the only thing that matters
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Well really, they've had that MP
in Europe. I mean, this poor

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guy has really got harassed. And
he's just written books about UFOs and ets

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and other paranormal subjects and this guy
his that's right, pretty big news.

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Yeah, and his moving into his
post as an MP has been delayed because

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of his beliefs and so, yeah, they were harsh with this poor guy.

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So it's interesting that this guy seems
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treatment as the other one, and
his stories are more extreme. Yeah,

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you know, actual encounters and repeated
encounters and implants his actual mother is an

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extraterrestrial, so yeah, that's uh
and unas descriptions too. I mean you

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don't nowadays, you don't really hear
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not with his description. And it's
interesting that he recalls some of these memories

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from when he was six months old. You know, that's pretty impressive.

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I don't know many people who recall
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But he specifically recalls an eight that
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it put its eight eight fingered hand
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green extraterrestrial with eight fingers on each
hand. Interesting description that we don't hear

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all that often. Yeah, pretty
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of this whole thing. I don't
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more news about it, so I
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was perhaps, I don't know.
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been of a publicity stunter anything this
long after his election. But interesting.

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We'll see if anything more comes out
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much more time I want to devote
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videos of him discussing his details of
all of this, and I've only kind

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of breezed through them, so I'll
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those videos. But I think I've
I've gone over the highlights so far.

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All Right, Well, Alejandra,
this is something that you and I like

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to talk about a lot, and
that is space news with the search for

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extraterrestrial life. And there was some
really exciting news last week new data from

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the European Southern Observatory's HARPS that's high
accuracy radio velocity planet searchure planting planet hunting

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telescope suggest there could be tens of
billions of earthlike planets in our galaxy.

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Astronomer analyzing this new data estimate that
approximately forty percent of red dwarf stars in

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the Milky Way Galaxy may have Earth
sized planets orbiting them with the right conditions

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for life. Red dwarfs constitute nearly
eighty percent of the stars in the galaxy,

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and according to wire dot com,
their pervasiveness means quote that there are

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tens of billions of possible places to
look for life beyond Earth, with at

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least one hundred such planets located nearby. During this recent survey of red dwarf

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stars, scientists discovered a planet in
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This is the second planet discovered in
that system and has been named Gliza

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six sixty seven Capital C, LITTLEC. And just a quick note here from

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what I understand, that naming,
even though it's very bland, the names

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they choose for these things are very
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there the capital SA and little C
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number of stars. So because there
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B, and C. This is
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and then the second C in there. And I don't know why they

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duplicate this, but they do so. In the Little C's the first A

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would be the star. They've already
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would be A, would be B, and the second planet would be C.

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So this is the second planet in
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the C. It's a horrible name, but at least there's some sense to

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the magic. Yeah. So the
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habitable zone and according to astronomers,
it quote almost certainly has the right condition

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conditions for the existence of liquid water
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seven Capital C Little C is the
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zone of a red dwarf star discovered
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Gleza five to eighty one D,
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And that is not to be confused
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that we've talked about a lot on
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We talked most about that, but
that was an exciting discovery, almost discovery

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it's still debatable. I believe that
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the people who discovered it claimed that
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zone, and that's when we started
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us talking about planets in the habitable
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to whether the planet G actually exists. But five eighty one D was confirmed

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in two thousand and nine, with
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when we talk about most NASA's Kepler
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analyzed by astronomers, they're still getting
information in from these these sources, and

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they have information they've already received from
years past that they're still going through.

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Incredible discoveries about the galaxy are,
in my opinion, certain to become more

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common, and each new discovery helps
us discover well, discover more, and

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perhaps brings us closer to finding extratrustrial
life. M hm. Yeah, I

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think it's a safe bet for you
to say certain because we keep seeing these

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on nearly a daily basis, a
weekly basis. Yeah, I mean the

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one you just mentioned, the Goldilocks
zone. For people who know they call

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it Goldilocks because it's not too hot
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not too cold for water to be
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in a liquid state, which as
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we know that water is an important
component here for life. But that's what's

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interesting. Some of the dwarf stars
are talking about some of these stars that

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aren't even around a sun, that
some of these could have the right right

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configuration where water the planet's warm enough
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that water would be liquid there.
So what we call the Goldilock zone is

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where kept learning. Lots of these
other people are looking for planets that most

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likely would have life, but they're
finding that there are probably planets there could

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be planets with life or at least
the right components to harbor life outside of

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the Goldilocks zone. So this number
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increasing and increasing. It's going to
spiral out of control because again, as

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you pointed out, I mean this
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the habitable zone based on life as
we know it. So that's really what

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is being targeted in when we discover
new environments where certain types of life can

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be sustained. That's going to increase
this search zone that these different tools are

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looking for. So it's really exciting. I mean, yeah, I don't

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know if I mentioned that. On
the last shadow I wrote a story for

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the magazine. Of course, stuff
is happening so quick, and it used

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to not be like this. You
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there won't be another discovery in the
next couple of months or in the next

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six months. But we have them
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the story like a month ago,
that's going to be in the magazine in

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another month, and already there's been
a couple more discoveries that I wasn't able

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to get in there. But still
the story gives you some more history about

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SETI and what Seti's doing, what
a coupler is doing, and what some

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of these other groups are doing,
such as this group out of the Smithsonian

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who found a planet themselves looking at
different data, and this planet is very

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close. They decided to look at
close stars, relatively close stars, and

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this one's like twenty seven light years
away, and there's a water world there,

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and so they think there could be
life there, and they're shocked and

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excited because as if we sent a
probe there, it'd only take with today's

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technology maybe a couple hundred years to
get there, so may or may not

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be worth doing considering what technology we
may have by then we may be able

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to visit there ourselves. But still
that even like this guy was shocked because

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he says it was easier to find
this than it should have been. We

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thought it would take us a long
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look at and here's a planet that
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really exciting, gets more and more, and I think that's why we have

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more discussion around extraterrestrials and the possibility, especially with the Scientific group, and

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it's probably why Paul Davies and his
assistant over here at ASU decided, you

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know what, why don't we look
at the Moon for artificial life, of

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artificial or artifacts and evidence of visitation
from advanced civilizations. I mean, I

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think their minds are opening from it. And that's what's so exciting because once

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we officially confirm life elsewhere, even
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I think it'll really open people's eyes
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people out there that say, ah, there probably isn't any life out there

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beyond our planet at all. I
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the smallest, the smallest type of
life discovered, I think will just open

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the floodgates. And I mean we're
already seeing the floodgates open with this new

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space race. You know, there's
renewed interest in exploring space and searching for

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life. So you've got countries around
the world racing against each other, launching

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all these new programs, and you
know, even programs that were launched years

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ago. We're finally getting the data
back from that and that's what's causing this

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flood of information and it just keeps
coming. And I know you agree.

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I mean it's extremely exciting to me. And you know, I love seeing

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the interest that it's causing, and
not just scientists but the general public.

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I mean, they're they're seeing that
stuff is being done. And I love

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that you brought up Paul Davies,
and you know, we keep pushing farther

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and farther on into space. But
I love coming back to the moon and

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looking at the moon because that needs
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the moon, iow is another one. Of course, we've talked about that

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a lot. Io Er. We've
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it's an ice planet, possibly with
oceans under the ice. But this is

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another interesting new discovery is Saturn has
a moon that's similar. And I don't

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know how they say it. Do
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I've heard it pronounced a couple of
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is intuladus into latest sounds like ensilada, which is salad in Spanish, So

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that kind of sounds weird to me, yes, but it should sound normal

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to you as well, Like I
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there could be some some logic to
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ends with an end, so maybe
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know, but it's they say in
these stories that the name is lovely,

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so whatever way it's said is a
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planet kind of like Io with ice. And now they've seen that the ice,

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the way it's cracking and the way
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other, look to be fluid,
which indicates to them that this ice is

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covering large liquid oceans. It's probably
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under there, the civilization of intelligent
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finding, and this is the most
exciting, is they're finding that the water

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seems to be quite common. They're
finding it everywhere where. We used to

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think that, you know, we
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it everywhere now and the evidence of
it on Mars, on the moon again.

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Back closer to home, they just
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discovered new features of Venus's surface that
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and very close. But then with
the the the recent news of the ten

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billion planets, you know that that's
just in our galaxy, and our galaxy,

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you know, a very tiny representation
of the universe. Yeah, were

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you going to talk about I think
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and I know not not not all
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pa space stuff. But the April
Fool's joke about Steven Spilberg, did you

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see that one? I did not? Why don't you tell me about that.

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I can't remember who posted it,
but it was pretty funny. It

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was a story about Steven Spilberg going
to space. So you know, I'm

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thinking, okay, it's like a
lot of these other stories Katy Perry and

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her husband what Russell Brand and all
these other people buying tickets either on that

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SpaceX or with Virgin Galactic to fly
up into space. But it says no,

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he's going to Mars, and that
NASA is going to send a group

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of people to Mars, and that
Steven Spielberg is signed up to be on

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that first list. It was an
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but it was kind of funny.
If anybody else has seen that out there,

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it was had me going for a
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with with how easy, especially because

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that's so exciting, and I'm like
spreads now, you know, people pick

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up on these things and it is
only discovered many hours later the when it

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makes sense and you're thinking, how
cool we need to do that, We

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need to go to Mars. Why
don't we go to Mars? What's going

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on? Good to Mars? Like
I don't know what it's working, Schwarzenegger

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said Khager. But Obama's already been
to Mars. That's what they say.

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That's what they say. But we've
been exciting about going to the Moon and

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building a base in the Moon as
a jumping point to get to Mars.

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All of this stuff that makes complete
sense and would just be so exciting.

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On the flip side of all of
this, of course, we're in a

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recession. It's hard to justify spending
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know. We'll see what happens.
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is probably economics. As soon as
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sure money will flow a little more
into that industry. I'm putting all my

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money on SpaceX. Those guys have
it together. Go SpaceX, Go SpaceX.

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one of the great things with all
of the space news, all of the

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information coming in from these various NASA
and other projects. Not only it is

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getting into the media excited, the
general public excited, but it's also spurring

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a lot of I guess resurgence in
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and we're seeing a lot more.
You know, professors get involved in

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actively searching for extraterrestrial life. And
I love reading about, you know,

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the various professors who now aren't afraid
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or they believe in extraterrestrial life,
or they believe in UFOs, things

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like that. So there is one, and I believe we've talked about him

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on the show before, but definitely
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This is someone from history, but
doctor James E. McDonald was a

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college professor and the senior physicist for
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obviously at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics. In the nineteen fifties and sixties.

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He was also intrigued by UFOs and
actively investigated the phenomenon on Friday. The

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reason I bring this up is on
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Daily Star published multiple stories from their
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In an article from nineteen fifty d
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community at the time ignored UFO research. He suggested the main reason for this

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was quote, the lack of proper
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man who sees an unidentified object.
In nineteen sixty six, an article titled

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UFOs are Real Physicist Asserts highlighted a
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hundred US faculty members and students in
which he stated that UFOs are most likely

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quote extraterrestrial probes. He bas this
conclusion on his ten years of studying unusual

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atmospheric phenomena in addition to six months
specifically investigating UFOs. During the same presentation,

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McDonald voiced his discuss at the Air
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blue Book. He referred to blue
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called into question the scientific competence of
the investigators involved. In another article from

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nineteen sixty nine, MacDonald also criticized
the Condon Report, which was another Air

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Force funded UFO study. The full
articles about McDonald can be read on the

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Arizona Daily Stars website, which is
azystarnet dot com. I thought that was

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interesting that they chose to highlight that
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Certainly some interesting stuff in there and
a lot more that I didn't get

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to you there. But another college
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retired University of Nebraska at Omaha physics
professor Jack Kashner. He believes in UFOs

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and extraterrestrials, and he even recently
stated, I'm Catholic and we believe in

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angels and things like that. If
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extraterrestrials, then something is wrong with
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on the show NASA's Unexplained Files.
It was on the Science Channel as part

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of their month long series titled Are
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about extraterrestrials. He's been out there
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actually have a story in our last
magazine. I can't remember which one it

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was now maybe I can't remember,
but with James McDonald, and it actually

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has pictures from his family that I
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yeah, he was a important person, professor who was looking into UFOs,

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and he had a lot of pool
because he was so well respected, and

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he did a lot of battle and
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think people would have different opinions,
but really put some of those debunkers to

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tasks and make them look a little
foolish and showed that they were less and

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honest at times, and including Phil
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an article actually in the magazine with
that was written by Kathleen Martin where she

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did some research and put together all
of the efforts by Phil Class to get

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James McDonald like fired and ridiculed and
made fun of, which never actually came

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to fruition, thank goodness. So, yeah, he was a really important

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guy in the past. But Jack
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conference recently at the University of Nebraska
at Omaha with our guests for next week,

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David Paris. They were two professors
who did this conference. Jack Casher's

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been in MOUFON. He's the state
director for Nebraska for MOFON and he was

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one of the first guys to look
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and he was very amazed. You
can see videos from the congress on

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that. But yeah, I guess
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or has done some work with NASA, and he's been on a lot of

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the TV shows looking at NASA and
stuff like that. So yeah, Jack

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Kesher's I guess he's retired now.
He no longer works at the University of

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Nebraska, but he's an emeritus and
still goes there. Is he going to

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be in the upcoming stand Romanek documentary
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have some video from him, I
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for sure because I do not know. Did you happen to catch any of

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the various shows on the Science Channel? Now? I don't have the Science

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Channel, and which is probably I
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much TV or anything, so because
we're writing all the time, of course,

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and it's probably better I don't because
then I've spent too much time watching

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that stuff. We watching Mitchell O
Kaku's show and all of these shows this

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month, so I didn't catch many
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what Jack Ksher talked about, did
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I believe part one of the two
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I think, and that one predominantly
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It was really well done. And

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I didn't watch the entire episode either. I was just caught maybe half of

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it. And really it was just
this supposition basically, this this what if

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scenario, and it was it was
like it was almost like a movie.

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They put us together, put a
premise forward that we detected a UFO coming

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towards Earth, and it shows what
might happen, who might do, what,

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what preparations would be made, how
people would respond, and they sort

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of walk you through that as the
ship approaches and they say, oh,

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there's two months to a contact,
and so they talked to Nick Sagan and

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some other experts and you know,
make guesses as to how people would responded.

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It was kind of interesting. Other
shows have done it before. Yeah,

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what did they say? People would
be freaking out? Or they showed

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some people who were just like kind
of only focused on that and they let

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the rest of their life go to
crap, and you know, their relationships

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were falling apart. They were just
like stuck to their computers watching this thing

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come. But most people were just
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Independence Day, where you know you
have the groups of people who are holding

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their signs going, hey, come
here, UFOs, we love you.

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isn't that. That's why I think there

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would be a wide variety of responses
to something like that. And you know

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a lot of people say, people
like us who are into UFOs and do

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this research are going to be out
of a job. But I don't believe

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that at all. You know,
the media always needs their pundits, and

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we would be that. I think
that, you know, it would be

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good for all of us who are
into this because I think more people will

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be coming to look for answers,
and we'd be able to have wider audiences

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to share this stuff with, to
share all this history and everything that's going

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on. So I think be a
good thing on several levels, you know,

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depending on what you think might be
happening. Of course, if you

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think they're coming here to blow us
up and to eat us, then you

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wouldn't be as excited about it.
No, probably not. But yeah,

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there would be a wide variety of
responses, and you know, you probably

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I don't know. I mean I
try to equate it to other things that

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we for some reason or another here
on the news gets blown into a big

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story, like you know, like
the various stories from last year of space

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junk going to crash into Earth and
you know, the media went nuts with

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it and freak people out. Some
people were freaked out, but most people

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thought it was really a big deal. They'd make a bigger deal of it.

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So really, although it is a
big deal for NASA and those guys

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up there, I mean just I
think last week they had to go into

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the escape pap pod again and sit
in their own weight as space junk flew

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close to them. I bet space
Junk's always flying close to them. There's

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so much crap up there. Yeah, well supposedly, you know, they

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can see the small space junk and
where it is and how close it's getting

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to them and everything. So but
yeah, I there's another story out there

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that Lispiegel wrote, and I don't
know if it's on your list, but

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I don't want to trumpet your list
there. If you've got because I know

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you have it laid out, you
may want to talk about it later or

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can I bring it up now?
You can bring it up, and if

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it's something that's in my list of
chronological stories. I will veto you are

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bringing it up now, this is
a NASA files and stuff that we're on

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that show. Oh absolutely, we
talk about it. Oh yeah, So

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because NASA talked about some of their
UFO sightings too, and some of their

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end they they even had talked about
like James mcdibbott in his sighting. And

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this is when I know John Schrusler, who I knew who was in working

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with NASA at the time, was
around and this was James mcdivott. When

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he was up you know, in
space, he took some film of an

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object that he thought was really strange. And the story is when he got

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back, they took the video or
the film and he didn't see it again.

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Later they released pictures here some of
the stuff that they filmed, and

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they said, well, that's not
you know, the stuff I saw.

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But they're like, oh, yeah, this is everything, and he's like,

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no, this is not what I
saw. And I guess, you

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know from people who talked to him, he was upset about it and he

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wanted to know where the stuff he
filmed was and they never showed him.

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And that stuff has never surfaced so
I guess they kind of blew it over

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and it just lightly went over this
in the UFO files on the NASA UFO

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files portion of the shows that they
were showing. But what was disappointing to

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Lease Spiegel is that he interviewed James
mcdiviott back then, and you know,

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so he's got all of this audio
and they didn't go talk to mcdibott,

406
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.759
who's still alive, to get his
perspective on this whole thing about how he's

407
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.799
still very concerned that they never showed
the film that he filmed, and it's

408
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.759
just one of many stories, of
course, that could glossed over, let

409
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.000
alone Gordon Cooper, who that's it's
cool too about that. You know,

410
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.119
if you missed the Congress and you
want to get some DVDs, definitely get

411
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.160
the Least Spiegel one because there's some
interesting stuff there, including because he also

412
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.400
interviewed Gordon Cooper and he was one
of the first guys to interview Gordon Cooper

413
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:58.440
about his UFO signings, so of
course another astronaut. So I guess that

414
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:04.480
show was pretty light on the real
hard data and the real interesting mysteries behind

415
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.559
some of those NASA UFO footages well, and I don't think that surprises anybody,

416
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:13.680
but you know, they they definitely
weren't shy about hyping it up like

417
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.079
they were going to be these great
secrets that came out from people who worked

418
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:21.799
at NASA and were really going to
shake things up. But I'm not surprised

419
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.160
to hear that they kind of yeah, played that. You know. Bryce

420
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:29.000
Dabo puts it really well that the
media is typically here's what they're saying,

421
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.640
here's what these guys are saying,
and you know, we're gonna come down

422
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:38.880
somewhere in the middle, and so
the same kind of thing that you know,

423
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.119
playing that middle safe ground, and
so you can hype the hell out

424
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.400
of something. Here's what we're going
to talk about. We're going to talk

425
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:52.039
about aliens and NASA and UFOs and
NASA film and it gets people to watch,

426
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.279
and then you show them the intriguing
stuff and then you kind of can

427
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.720
wrap it up and be safe by
letting the NASA represent and they have their

428
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.400
piece and say what they think about
it. I'm trying to remember who else

429
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.239
was in that show. Story Musgrave
was in there, right, Oberg was

430
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:12.880
in there. So Story Musgrave,
we saw it Moufon. He spoke at

431
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.880
Moufon, he doesn't believe there is
evidence of UFOs or of anything strange visiting

432
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.800
US. I asked him personally,
well, had you heard the stories,

433
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.960
because he said, I've heard.
I've talked to every astronaut about whether or

434
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:29.760
not you know about their UFO sightings, and I found them all to be

435
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:35.159
something that they mistaked as, you
know, something mundane that they mistook as

436
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.960
something mysterious. So I asked him, particularly what about Gordon Cooper, because

437
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.320
he had a couple of experiences,
even as a pilot, and he said,

438
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:44.440
yep, I talked to Gordon Cooper. I just don't see what he

439
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:49.639
was saying as something mysterious. And
of course Gordon Cooper says, when he

440
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:54.039
was in the Air Force and a
jet they saw like seven of these discs

441
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.840
fly by their formation of planes.
So of course, how do you explain

442
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:07.239
that. Let alone, also,
when he was working at Edward's therefore his

443
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.199
base, seeing a silver disc land
on this test bed and then get up

444
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.639
and fly away. And that was
a video his guys filmed, which was

445
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:21.079
somebody came and collected it and he
never saw it again. So unfortunately,

446
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.519
you know, that's about all story. Musgrave would say, he wouldn't,

447
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.320
you know, explain himself further as
to why he doesn't think those things are

448
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:32.599
mysterious when they sound pretty dang mysterious
to me. You know, people who

449
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:39.039
are set in their beliefs really are
not going to change them, especially if

450
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.880
they're not open to changing them.
So yeah, there's not much you can

451
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.559
do there. But and it's something
that you know, I think we all

452
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:57.239
have to remind ourselves of when hearing
UFO stories and reading UFO siding reports and

453
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.199
things like that, is you know, especially if you've had your own UFO

454
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:09.639
siding or sightings that witness testimony,
you know, there's there's so much to

455
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:16.119
put into into what the witness says
and what they saw, because you know,

456
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:22.239
even if a video doesn't appear to
go along with what you believe or

457
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.880
or there's a possible explanation, and
other videos come forward and say this is

458
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.679
probably what you saw when there wasn't
a photo or video at that time,

459
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.840
and the person says, no,
that's not that's not what I saw.

460
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.199
Why are you saying that what I
saw didn't look anything like that? You

461
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:43.280
know, really it comes down to
people seeing things personally, and really that's

462
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.039
what it takes for a lot of
people to believe is seeing it for themselves.

463
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.239
So we see that a lot with
with UFO sidings, and especially when

464
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.119
when there is no evidence to corroborate
their statement. They just had their statement

465
00:36:54.639 --> 00:37:00.760
and through their description it might sound
like it was a flock of or something

466
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.679
like that. But when people see
the video of that demonstrated and go,

467
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.079
no, that's not what I saw
at all, stop saying that's what I

468
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:08.840
saw because I know what I saw, right, And it can be very

469
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:13.119
frustrating for the people who had the
experience. So I get really upset,

470
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.320
they get downright angry. Well they
should, that's right. I mean,

471
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.159
it's good to be open to,
you know, trying to find out what

472
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:28.320
possible explanations there could be. But
there's a difference between that and being positive

473
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:35.840
about certain characteristics. You saw certain
movements or shapes or behaviors, and when

474
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.480
someone tries to tell you that you
didn't observe that, it's frustrating. Yeah.

475
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.719
Well, I want to move into
talking about some UFO sightings. Go

476
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.039
for it, and first I'll just
gloss over this story. But it was

477
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.599
big news, so I thought I
would bring it up. But Pop singer

478
00:37:53.639 --> 00:38:00.079
Rihanna she'll be fighting hustle extraterrestrials in
the upcoming Hollywood blockbuster film Battleship, and

479
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.840
although this movie will be her big
screen debut, Rihanna is not a novice

480
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.519
when it comes to watching for UFOs
and extraterrestrials. As a child in Barbados,

481
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.360
Rihanna reportedly spent considerable time on her
family's porch searching the night sky for

482
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.800
UFOs. According to the Sun,
the singer recently stated, quote, my

483
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.000
dad used to make me sit outside
on the steps all night long looking for

484
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:27.360
UFOs flying by, and I had
to do that for years. In her

485
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.599
years of skywatching, Rihanna clans she
saw a shooting star, but no UFOs.

486
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.760
And I know that you don't care
at all, Elehudre. But Battleship

487
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.639
opens in theaters April eleventh. I
really have no interest in seeing that movie.

488
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.920
Yeah, but yeah, I read
those stories and I saw that,

489
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.920
but I didn't see anything where she
kind of said she believes in UFOs or

490
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.800
anything. Did she No, didn't
see anything. That's too bad. And

491
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.480
in fact, you know now that
you bring that up, you know the

492
00:38:54.519 --> 00:39:00.320
main source being the Sun. They're
not always great at providing information or even

493
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.280
oh that's right saying or that was
interesting too that the sun was or were

494
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.960
actually correct in what they're saying,
But yeah, Sun isn't often accurate,

495
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.719
and they often are using other people's
stories. But this time they did the

496
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.920
interview in this case, which was
interesting. But yeah, so they didn't

497
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.440
say much. I was kind of
hoping. It's kind of cool she talked

498
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.320
about her dad, you know,
looking at stuff that's kind of interesting and

499
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.639
at least being brave enough to do
that. Of course, it's related to

500
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.239
this movie, so it's kind of
one more celebrity to chalk up to all

501
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.280
the celebrities that have talked about UFOs
and ET's in the last year. Not

502
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:38.559
as exciting as Fran Dresser or Sammy
Hagar saying they talk and with aliens and

503
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:43.039
everything, but yeah, actual encounters. But still, you know, it's

504
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.920
it's another example of yeah, and
you know, it's likely or I think

505
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.199
it's directly related to the fact that
there are so many extraterrestrial themed movies.

506
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.239
Yeah, you know, so the
topic does come up a lot directly to

507
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:59.039
these people. So even then,
Ninja Turtles right, and which is kind

508
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:05.079
of frustrating because it's like these days, because aliens are in movies so much,

509
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.599
it's not a very original concept to
have an alien movie. That's one

510
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:17.599
of my gripes with having the teenage
Ninja Turtles reinventing their story where they're aliens.

511
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.239
And I don't know how they could
think people would get excited because so

512
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:29.360
what, there's alien movies like crazy. That's not a very creative idea whatsoever.

513
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:37.000
I'm refraining from getting worked up about. I'm getting worked out because we

514
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.840
don't we don't know the full story
yet. I think they're going to work

515
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.519
it in come on to where it
doesn't doesn't disrupt the original story. It

516
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.119
just provides a little extra information.
Now, if they still mutate their mutated

517
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.079
aliens, that'd be kind of cool, but that's I don't think they're going

518
00:40:54.119 --> 00:41:00.480
to go there because they're kind of
mini godzillas. That's what Godzilla was was

519
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:07.440
like he was a mutated from the
nuclear waste. There are so many ways

520
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.360
you could do it. You know, It's possible that Master Splinter or or

521
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.599
someone else Shredder could have brought back
this toxic ooze from some different planet and

522
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.079
lost a canister of the ooze and
the sewer. But there's they're aliens,

523
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.039
so they're not from the planet,
so it would have had to have been

524
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.599
an alien sewer. And they don't
you know that they are aliens. They

525
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.719
have arestrial origin. They're aliens.
He said, they're aliens. He doesn't

526
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:36.320
necessarily know. Maybe not. He
was trying to excite the kids. It

527
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:42.199
was at this children's event with Nickelodeon. Oh that's not very original, dude,

528
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.920
No it's not, and it's not
a story that needs reinventing. But

529
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.840
yeah, anyway, you're you're right. It's it's over the top, just

530
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.719
trying to make an extraterrestrial movie when
every movie is already an extraterrestrial movie.

531
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.800
So yep, whatever, Well,
Alejandro, your favorite ufo is back.

532
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:04.079
You know that triangle shaped ufo known
as the Dudley Dorito. It was spotted

533
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.920
again in Yorkshire, North of England
on Monday March twenty sixth and was recorded

534
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.480
on video and again. According to
the Sun, the sighting marks the fourth

535
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.199
appearance of the Dudley Dorito in five
years. And I'm sure we've mentioned all

536
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:24.559
four of those, possibly even more. It's my personal opinion that every single

537
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:32.519
one of these Dudley Dorito videos I've
seen looks so cheesy pun intended that pun

538
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.400
was quite intended. They just look
goofy to me. Yeah, Like,

539
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.719
I mean, I understand that it
could possibly be the TR three V or

540
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.559
whatever that triangle craft is, but
this Dudley Dorito, and I think it's

541
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.840
the reason they call it the Dudley
Dorito is you always see it like flying

542
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.840
on its side or at an angle
or something. It's supposed to be the

543
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:58.119
bottom of the craft, but you
always see it with the camera kind of

544
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:02.320
an odd perspective. So what's your
thought on the Dudley Doiredo? Yeah,

545
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.480
I don't know. Of course,
there are interesting triangular UFO for local videos

546
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:13.079
out there, but yeah, a
lot of the ones recently haven't i'd been

547
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.199
that impressive either, I don't think
or and it's so difficult to see,

548
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:24.440
especially on little videos with YouTube,
so it's really hard to say on these

549
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:31.960
things. But uh no, real
super duper ones. Yeah, that will

550
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.679
be the super Dorito, Yeah,
super Dorito. Of course it could be

551
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:44.639
all a publicity stunt or the new
Dorrito Tacos at Taco Bell, which now

552
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.679
we're advertising for free and for me, dorrito's are a very overpowering taste,

553
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.159
so to have it as a taco
that's like wow, that's sensory overload.

554
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.039
For our friends in the UK.
I don't know the answer to this,

555
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.280
but do they have taco bell in
the UK? Yeah, that's a good

556
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.639
question. You know someone in the
chat, I'm sure there you get k

557
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.480
people in the chat. Let us
know. Well, let's get into a

558
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:14.440
real sighting here. So a twelve
year old girl recorded video of a UFO

559
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:19.760
above her home in Penfield, Ohio. That's approximately forty miles southwest of Cleveland

560
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.840
and I was on Thursday, March
twenty second. The aerial object appeared during

561
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.079
the day and when the girl noticed
the UFO, she recorded a forty three

562
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.280
second video of it hovering in the
sky. The object appears to be long

563
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:36.719
and silver and looks almost metallic when
reflecting the sun's rays. This UFO has

564
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:42.760
a very shark like appearance, making
it a very peculiar flying object. According

565
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.639
to the local ABC affiliate. Local
police couldn't identify it, so they contacted

566
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:53.760
Homeland Security for assistance with identifying the
object. That seems like a pretty drastic

567
00:44:53.840 --> 00:45:00.039
jump there just go straight to Homeland
Security. But there's a possibility that the

568
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.800
object was simply a Toyer balloon based
on its shark like appearance. Shark shaped

569
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.960
remote control airplanes and balloons are sold
by a few toy manufacturers. An RC

570
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:15.239
plane can be ruled out in this
case because of the movement. The object

571
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.920
is basically floating. It's not flying
or doing things that these shark airplanes do.

572
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.840
I'm sure you've seen video some of
these shark air Shark airplanes are really

573
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.800
cool, but the shark balloons,
yeah, have just come out, more

574
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.800
so because they were in the video. There's a popular gift of a shark

575
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:38.159
balloon floating and behind a cat and
scaring this cat and it's this correct hilarious

576
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:44.920
radio. I love it. But
that thing went viral and they sold out

577
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:46.400
of these things because I went to
the website and I'm like, I got

578
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.199
a what is and uh, But
they just got a new shipment in and

579
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.719
people have been buying them like crazy. So possible. Well, it was

580
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:59.760
my my opinion that, you know, the balloon was the likely identification for

581
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:05.559
this thing. William Mark Corporation is
a company that sells a product called air

582
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:10.239
swimmers and that's probably a company going
to a remote controlled helium field balloons and

583
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.880
a flying shark is one of the
available models. And while the manufacturer clearly

584
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:23.320
states the product is only for indoor
use, it is a pretty It's a

585
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.880
pretty easy guest to say that people
don't always follow directions, especially manufactured Direct'm

586
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.480
sure they get loose. Oh yeah, And sometimes a warning like that is

587
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.000
just encouragement. Yeah, what will
happen? Come on, and what they

588
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.840
realize is there's no control to make
it go down and come back to the

589
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.480
ground, right, It'll get away
from you and there you go, and

590
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.280
you're remote is not going to be
able to pull it down, I would

591
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:53.360
range. And coincidentally, I thought
this was interesting that same company they used

592
00:46:53.360 --> 00:47:00.480
to make a product called my Mysterious
UFO. Oh really, this little controlled

593
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.400
UFO? Oh okay, interesting?
And I just found this out today that

594
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.760
after some investigating, the Sheriff's office
determined that the UFO was in fact a

595
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:15.360
remote controlled shark. The girl who
shot the video of the object doesn't agree

596
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.159
with the police, though, and
this is exactly what we were just talking

597
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.559
about, Alejandro. She claims the
object she shot she saw when she was

598
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.639
shooting the video was as big as
a semi while the remote controlled sharks are

599
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.480
only approximately five feet long. So
she says, no way, was this

600
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.039
thing this little shark balloon? Oh
really, well that is interesting. That's

601
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:42.559
the hard part because you have the
witness testimony and is a witness just mistaken

602
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.519
or is the witness not mistaken and
something extraordinary took place. The witness is

603
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.639
only twelve years old, but I
do know some sharp twelve year old so

604
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.760
I will not, Maureen put a
link to the video on our chat,

605
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:04.159
so people will have to hilarious gifts
dot com. Cat attack by shark balloon.

606
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.519
That's what it's called. It's not
hilarious, that's said, poor cat.

607
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.360
It's not a real shark. It's
the air swimmer balloon. It's a

608
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:15.199
real cat, and it's real fear. The video is hilarious just because there's

609
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.639
a cat and then it pants back, and it's shocking the first time you

610
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:23.320
see because you see this shark behind
the cat and it's like swimming. Oh

611
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:30.440
it's funny, you're mean, it's
not really eating the cat. Jason,

612
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.840
all right, but so the police
do think that it was a shark balloon

613
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.639
that got away, and if you
watch watch the original video, it does

614
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:38.920
look like a shark. I mean, that's what it looks like. And

615
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.320
you watch video of these air swimmer
sharks, that's exactly what it looks like.

616
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:50.719
So it's quite possible and quite probable
that one did get away, and

617
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.159
also from the ground, and depending
on how far away this was, it's

618
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:59.000
difficult to tell size and distance when
you're on the ground looking at an object

619
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:05.559
in the sky. So so another
possibility though, is that somehow this air

620
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:15.519
swimmer got a sophisticated artificial intelligence put
into it and it is out there,

621
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.800
self aware, swimming around in the
sky, creating havoc and up to its

622
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.199
own oup to no good. All
right, Michael Bay, you need to

623
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:30.119
calm down, all right. Here's
another sighting. On March twenty fourth,

624
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.559
Burbank, Washington resident Mike Klugg saw
what he described as a slow moving orb

625
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.519
with a bright, reddish orange light
inside it. Having never witnessed anything like

626
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:45.199
it, he grabbed his camera and
recorded video of the strange object. His

627
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.679
house is directly under the flight path
of the nearby airport, so Klug says

628
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.719
he is familiar with the appearance of
airport traffic, but this orb did not

629
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.679
behave like anything he had seen before. He estimated that the object was quote

630
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.719
no more than fight one hundred feet
off the ground and was moving at fifteen

631
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.440
miles an hour east towards Walla Walla. Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting

632
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:14.039
Center in Washington reportedly reviewed Club's video, but according to the Tri City Herald,

633
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:19.760
Davenport dismissed the orb as simply serious, also known as the dog Stars.

634
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:29.239
He serious based on the object's position
in the sky, and I don't

635
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:35.039
know, it's tough reading just by
written word what actually took place here.

636
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:40.000
But to me, it seemed like
Davenport was too quick to dismiss the video

637
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:47.599
and didn't listen to the backstory to
this guy and why he his witness testimony

638
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:57.239
should count more count He even posted
additional video or took additional video from days

639
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.440
prior to this event of anther weird
object in the sky, but he was

640
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.719
able to identify it that the individual
in Washington, Club was able to identify

641
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.559
it himself as an ultra light.
So he'd seen ultra lights, i'sen helicopters,

642
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.000
airplanes, he observed these things in
the sky and living by an airport

643
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:21.679
saw weird stuff all the time,
so Devinport quickly assumed that it was probably

644
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:28.960
serious. And that doesn't make any
sense to me based on witness testimony.

645
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.599
Because the guy described this thing being
five hundred feet off the ground. It's

646
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.039
difficult to tell altitude again, so
who knows about that, But he described

647
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.800
the object as moving, well,
it sounds to me, I mean,

648
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:49.079
just from listening exactly like a a
trainee lantern of course, which we've flown

649
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.039
around because they have a little light
in the middle, and moving slowly.

650
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.880
Fifteen miles per hour would probably be
about right, depending on the cuss.

651
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.400
But yeah, serious doesn't seem to
make sense. Another reason why is that

652
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:07.360
Jupiter is out there extremely bright,
not too far from Serious. Right next

653
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.000
to Jupiter is Venus, which is
out there, which is extremely bright.

654
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.719
They're very near each other right now. If you go, especially right at

655
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:20.079
dusk after dusk, when it gets
stark, you're gonna see them up in

656
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:24.519
the sky really bright. And then
a couple hours after dusk, Saturn is

657
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.800
coming up, and Saturn is as
bright as Serious is right now, and

658
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:34.239
those are all well, not so
much Jupiter, but especially Venus and Saturn

659
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.039
are different colors or than the regular
stars, where a star isn't going to

660
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:45.840
really appear to be orange or reddish. So Serious really doesn't make any sense

661
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:51.360
except for maybe the direction he was
looking. But Serious is gonna move so

662
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.639
slow, it's not gonna look like
it's moving, no fifteen miles an hour.

663
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.000
In fact, you're not gonna be
able to know it's moving unless you

664
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.199
sit there and watch fresh up an
hour put your telescope on it. So

665
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.639
so that one is a hard one. Yeah, I've been looking up at

666
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.440
the sky a lot lately, and
I got some really cool video actually of

667
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:14.039
Saturn with my telescope, but where
I can actually see the rings. So

668
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:19.039
that was really exciting something at school
this week. But so you know,

669
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.960
that doesn't really Serious is not the
most exciting thing in the sky right now

670
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:29.119
by far Jupiter and Venus and Mars. Is the other one that you can

671
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.039
see right now in the sky,
which is red. I mean, that

672
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:36.880
would be a little more plausible.
So yeah, I don't know that I'm

673
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:42.280
buying the serious thing, but sounds
like, yeah, this might be who

674
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.880
knows, Especially that's what people buy
airports and in urban areas, I think

675
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:53.760
is really interesting. They are more
savvy because they're seeing lights in the sky

676
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:59.079
all the time. You know,
they're seeing planes, they're seeing helicopters on

677
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:04.199
a regular base, so they know
what that stuff is. So when you

678
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:08.679
see something that's out of the ordinary, yeah, it definitely catches your attention.

679
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:14.239
Yeah, and it probably isn't something
that isn't ordinary, even if it

680
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:19.119
is mundane. Not, I will
say in Peter Davenport's defense, you know,

681
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.639
I know the guy was be completely
inundated. Oh yeah, he's one

682
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.000
man videos all the time. He's
one guy who gets as many videos or

683
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.960
reports almost just move on. Not
he used to get more reports to move

684
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:35.880
on, right, And and I
do know, and it's an unfortunate thing

685
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.800
that happens. But you know,
after being flooded for a while with with

686
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:44.480
stuff, you become quite cynical.
Ye look at us, and you know,

687
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.039
I mean you look at something,
you're all, eh, Chinese lantern

688
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.760
star. So I mean he was
recently interviewed by the Tri City Herald and

689
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.000
he said, we look at many, many, many photographs and videos in

690
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:01.639
ninety nine point percent of them are
not UFO. And he said most of

691
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.840
them are photographic hogwash. Oh jeez, that's a little strong. But it

692
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.280
is disenheartening because you know, as
we know, and we talk on the

693
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:15.480
show all the time about these videos, we get hate letters saying I can't

694
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.800
believe it. DA that's on a
UFO. But I mean, it's not

695
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.679
that we're looking to debunk everything,
certainly not. We're looking for the truth

696
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.440
to try and find out, you
know, something that is incontrovertible and so

697
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.719
we can truly understand the nature.
But when you get these things that you

698
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:39.599
gotta you know that there is an
explanation for it. You gotta say.

699
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:45.000
So you can't just kind of believe
what you want when evidence points otherwise,

700
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:50.679
you lose your credibility. And especially
with us, and we both feel this

701
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.840
way. We're certainly not the end
all be all. Our opinions are solely

702
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:59.800
our thing. With most of the
evidence that we have that is available with

703
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:05.400
the majority of these sightings, it
can be interpreted so many ways. And

704
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.599
I certainly and I know you feel
the way. We we appreciate as our

705
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.719
opinions. Absolutely, I have people
have love and I search out other opinions.

706
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.079
Yeah, you know, I just
I My opinions are based off of

707
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.280
what I see on a daily basis
and what I've encountered with other sightings,

708
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.880
with other similar evidence and in my
own personal testing and things like that that

709
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.320
we do, you know, that's
all we can do. We can take

710
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.079
what we've encountered in the past and
use that, apply that towards the current

711
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:36.559
piece of evidence in front of us, and make our best assumption. But

712
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.239
it's an a function. But we
and we do our due diligence around you

713
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:45.440
know, launching balloons and seeing what
they look like, you know, spending

714
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:51.000
time skywatching, filming flares and things
like that, so we can give ourselves

715
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.960
a little bit more of an educated
opinion. Because again it's it's the the

716
00:56:54.119 --> 00:57:00.360
personal experience. It's seeing something for
yourself firsthand. You know. I watch

717
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:05.320
videos and have people say this is
what this was, or look at this,

718
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.440
this is you know, bugs in
the camera lens. But until I

719
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:14.880
go out and do those tests for
myself and see, wow, that's actually

720
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.559
plausible, you know, I don't
believe it. So I understand that,

721
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.000
and I think it's important for us
to do those tests to be able to

722
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.320
find that out, so we can
make you know, cohurent arguments and based

723
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:35.039
on something rather than just talking out
our behinds. That's right, don't panic.

724
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.440
But one thing that I disagree with
Peter Davenport. He also said this,

725
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:44.239
He said, virtually everything that is
published in newspapers about UFOs are not

726
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.480
worth the time it takes to read. If it makes it into the newspaper,

727
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:51.719
it's probably not a real case.
And again I think that's pretty harsh.

728
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:57.079
I mean, more and more we
are seeing more articles about UFO sightings,

729
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:01.119
and but I guess more than sightings, we see articles about researchers,

730
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:07.159
about events things like that. I
know there's lots of talk about lots of

731
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:14.559
articles about professors doing research into extradustrial
life. Also, I mean when Leslie

732
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.079
Kyne's book came out, there was
a a lot of positive press that was

733
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:22.400
printed in newspapers and digging more into
the backstories that the smaller stories, and

734
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:29.880
certainly here in Phoenix there was some
good coverage and additional stories on Phoenix City

735
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.960
Council, on Francis Barwood and talking
about Governor Fife Symington, people who witness

736
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:37.559
the Phoenix Lights, and talking about
how there is the lack of an official

737
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:44.440
organization to investigate UFOs. Well,
if he's talking about videos, I would

738
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:46.760
kind of have to agree with him. I wouldn't say not worth reading because

739
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:52.480
they are worse reading. But they
do, especially the Sun like we've been

740
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:58.920
criticizing and others, they pick up
and sensationalize these things when they're obviously not.

741
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:04.360
Something excited recently in Phoenix and it
made national news there was a V

742
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.360
shaped blue lights flying around that looked
like a kite. Was most likely a

743
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.280
kite, but you know, the
media picked it up and made a big

744
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:15.440
deal out of this UFO and then
of course move On does the research and

745
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:21.239
finds out it is a kite with
LEDs. So they do pick up on

746
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:28.960
some stories to sensationalize, even if
sometimes they aren't something that you know will

747
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:32.000
turn out to be truly unknown.
But still a lot of times these guys

748
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.079
are just trying to figure out themselves
or not. You know, they get

749
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.760
a video from a citizen who's very
excited about what they filmed, and they

750
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:45.440
give them a respect and often do
this in a respectful way, show the

751
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:49.119
film and talk about, well,
I'll look at this mystery, I wonder

752
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.159
what that is later to find out
maybe sometimes it's a narsy plane or something.

753
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:58.199
So often these these ones, these
videos that show up in the news

754
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.639
turn out to be something when they
but not always well. And I guess

755
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:08.639
it's probably more important for me as
a researcher and and a UFO news reporter

756
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:15.280
to pay attention to the articles.
Yeah, are publishing the paper for for

757
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:21.840
the main reason of just observing how
these things are being covered by the mainstream

758
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:25.880
media, seeing how that changes over
time, and you know, seeing what

759
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:30.280
information they're putting out, what what
and what they're doing in the in the

760
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.000
particular cases, because that that helps
too to see how serious they're taking it,

761
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.880
you know, if they if they
contacted the FAA in certain cases.

762
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.320
And I mean there there are things
that I find interesting. Is somebody who

763
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.599
follows this, But but for you
know, just someone else looking to find

764
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:50.079
information about a UFO siding, I
guess it's probably true. And in most

765
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.719
of the cases, there's not really
good information in a lot of the stories,

766
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:57.360
so it might not be worth reading. But but yeah, stories that

767
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.239
aren't related to videos are often very
good, like you're talking to about,

768
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.559
like the Congress with stuff that we
had. The coverage we got for the

769
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.639
Congress was very good, I think
this year, but you know, still

770
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:14.639
one of the best videos. I
think in one of the best stories personally

771
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:19.360
UFO stories to come out, which
never didn't really make that big of a

772
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.800
buzz nationally or outside of local though
we talked about. Is that Tucson sighting.

773
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:31.119
Remember when that Tucson reporter saw during
the day this blue dot blue light

774
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:37.880
up in the sky and he filmed
it, and that has never we've never

775
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:42.440
gotten an answer for that. Nobody
knows what That is highly credible, I

776
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.079
think because it was this news cameraman
who was filming it, you know,

777
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.880
and he saw it while they were
on the job. I think that's one

778
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.480
of the most mysterious. That's a
great video. I do too, And

779
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.000
you're right that one didn't get very
much attention, but that was that was

780
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.320
definitely one of the most bizarre sighting
daylight sighting. What the heck is that?

781
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:04.559
Yeah? You know, well,
Alejandra, I want to talk now

782
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:14.400
about another mysterious fighting. So an
interesting video was brought to my attention on

783
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:20.840
Friday actually by our good friend and
Huffington Post journalist Lespieagle. The video was

784
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:25.320
recorded by a tourist from Ohio and
it shows a massive, small orb UFOs

785
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:31.079
above Las Vegas on the night of
Wednesday, March twenty first. Coincidentally,

786
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:37.840
Lee and I were actually in Las
Vegas on the night of March twenty first,

787
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:43.599
and if we would have been outside
on the strip instead of enjoying the

788
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:47.599
buffet together, we might have seen
this. Actually, but the video shows

789
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:53.719
sale. It's not my fault.
Lee was hungry. The video shows is

790
01:02:53.719 --> 01:03:00.239
approximately seven and a half minutes of
mysterious illuminated orbs swirling in and around the

791
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.960
looks or skybeam above the Looks are
Las Vegas. The Las Vegas Sun describes

792
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.800
quote several bright spots of light can
be seen rotating in a fixed pattern high

793
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:15.400
above the strip near the Lookser's famous
beam of light. The exact time of

794
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:20.519
the event is unknown, but when
you listen to the video, you can

795
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:28.519
hear the man's the witness's wife or
girlfriend or a woman he's with, continually

796
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:30.039
nagging him, saying, come on, we've got to go. We've got

797
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.480
tickets, let's go. We're gonna
miss the show. Oh, as a

798
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:38.800
comedian George Wallace. Yeah, so
they had to Wallace and she kept saying

799
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.639
we're gonna be late, and the
guys all forget George Wallace. This is

800
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.880
better than George Wallace. She's all, well, maybe, but it's not

801
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.320
better than one hundred and ten bucks. Yeah, So what I did was

802
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:55.880
I went George Wallace performs at the
Flamingo showrooms. I went on the Flamingo's

803
01:03:55.880 --> 01:04:00.800
website and found out what his showtimes
are and he forms at ten pm.

804
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.559
So we're exciting. It must have
occurred sometime just before ten pm. So

805
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:12.400
the Witness uploaded his video to his
YouTube channel, which he titled UFOs with

806
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:17.519
the UFOs are very real And as
is the case with a lot of these

807
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:25.239
more interesting UFO videos, the channel
was created specifically for this video. There's

808
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.280
only this one video on the channel, which sometimes is a red flag,

809
01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:35.280
not necessarily in this case, but
so with this video. He added the

810
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:41.280
description that says the event I captured
in this video changed my life forever.

811
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:46.840
Pretty powerful. But not everyone is
convinced that the objects in the video merit

812
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:53.519
such awe. Some suggest that the
objects in the video are simply bats or

813
01:04:53.559 --> 01:05:00.840
birds flying around into the beam of
light. One YouTube user commented, Dude,

814
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.480
I work at Mandalay Bay, which
is right next door to the looks

815
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:05.880
or they are bats and birds that
eat the bugs that are attracted to the

816
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:10.559
bright light and the beam coming from
the lukxer. It happens almost every night

817
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:13.800
in the spring and summer, and
I have seen it ever since the light

818
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.519
has been on. It's not a
UFO, of course, it's not a

819
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:20.679
UFO. It's many UFOs. Totally
dude. But at the Las Vegas Sound

820
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:25.679
reports that two other videos posted by
separate people were uploaded to YouTube on March

821
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:30.239
twenty second, possibly showing the same
event but from different angles. The object

822
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.880
in the video are only visible when
illuminated by the powerful light beam from the

823
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:43.480
luxor, and this my opinion is
that that, paired with the sort of

824
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:46.960
gliding motion of the objects, it
certainly makes the theory of bats or birds

825
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:54.440
plausible. But again, with the
limited detail provided by the video, it's

826
01:05:54.480 --> 01:06:00.760
impossible to make a positive identification.
But looking at these things swirling only around

827
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:02.800
the light and kind of going into
the light, and all staying in the

828
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:10.599
same area and only being illuminated when
they're close to the light, it doesn't

829
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:15.239
seem like a flying craft of any
sort, and it certain makes sense that

830
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:20.039
it would be a batch and you
can imagine that I like to call it

831
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:25.079
a buffet of bugs that's light beam. So you know, bats come to

832
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.679
Vegas for the buffet too. It's
all right, and I feel back to

833
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.519
the guy who took the video is
going to be really mad at it if

834
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.599
he ever hears his saying this,
because he's definitely unhappy with the theory of

835
01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:39.480
birds and bats. But you know, he was quite a distance away.

836
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:44.920
He was down the street, you
know, halfway down the strip practically when

837
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.519
he's filming this thing, so you
could definitely see the beam. He's not

838
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:53.760
denying it's a beam. So either
very small orbs or attracted to the light

839
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:59.039
as a luxe or or yeah,
these things are definitely being lit up by

840
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.880
the beam of light. They're only
just above the beam. There's a lot

841
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:06.519
of them, granted, and they're
moving in a circular formation. But I

842
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:11.000
living, you know, being someone
who's camped and lived in the Southwest,

843
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:15.800
at least in New Mexico and Colorado, I've seen this sports. I've been

844
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:23.119
to Carlsbad where you see for half
an hour, huge, like you know,

845
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:28.039
groups of bats coming out and in
a circular formation like that. You

846
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.599
know, they fly around like a
tornado. But I've also been in Colorado

847
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.239
where you know, you kind of
hear them or something, and you flash

848
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:38.039
your flashlight up and there's just tons
of them right above you. You don't

849
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.960
even know they're there until you flash
your flashlight up and you see them swirling

850
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.800
around like that and catching bugs and
stuff. So I think it was at

851
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:47.599
the right place at the right time
where just a bunch of them came in.

852
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:51.079
And they do that in the desert, you know, they come in,

853
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:55.760
they feed, and then they go
back to their cave wherever their cave

854
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.519
is. And so he was at
the right place at the right time and

855
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.719
caught them. You know, they're, like you said, having a smorgas

856
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:06.519
sport there like jackpot. And unfortunately, that's really I'm sure, And if

857
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.360
we were able to look closer at
the video, we'd probably be able to

858
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.840
see that for sure. There are
some other videos. This isn't the first

859
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.119
guy to be fooled. I saw
one other, at least one other where

860
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:20.199
it's very clearly birds because he's right
next door to the luxer and you can

861
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.920
see the wings flapping. But this
guy was not convinced. He's like,

862
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.840
no, those are UFOs attracted to
the light of the luxer flying through.

863
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.640
But if you watch a video.
You can see their birds. He could

864
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.279
have been goofing around or something,
so he doesn't seem like the first to

865
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:41.319
be tricked. But unfortunately, you
know, whatever is, it's lit by

866
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.199
the light and it's a great video
to watch. You should watch it.

867
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:47.359
Yeah, there are tons of these. I watched it on my phone and

868
01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:50.199
I couldn't see the light from the
luxer, so I was really for it.

869
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.000
I'm like, wow, I watched
it on the small screen first as

870
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.119
well. On it just looks incredible
because you see all of these white dots

871
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.479
kind of moving around the sky and
it looks incredible. But on alt screen

872
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:02.000
you can you know, see them
moving around the beam from the luxor.

873
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.680
Yeah, but you know, I'm
going to Vegas a couple of times this

874
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:14.800
month, so I if I get
a chance, I'm hoping to pick my

875
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.479
camera out and shoot up towards the
lux or and see if I see anything.

876
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.199
Not that the bats are always feasting, but you know, if I

877
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.479
happen to catch that, you know, and get a good shot, then

878
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.520
I can determine more and compare the
videos. But you're going out to Vegas

879
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:35.800
a lot lately, are you like
a you know, do you stand in

880
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:40.319
for some of these showgirls or something. Do you have a site job of

881
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:46.079
I have many professions. And because
i'm a secret agent and I work at

882
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:50.000
Area fifty one, I have my
secret jobs at the casinos. Yes,

883
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:54.039
Oh, we got to get to
that Area fifty one to stuff. Oh,

884
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.600
we'll get to Area fifty one.
It's just a little bit all right.

885
01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:59.319
Now, we can actually talk about
it now if you want. Are

886
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.319
you at the more news stories,
Well that's that's the next story that I'd

887
01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:06.239
like to talk about. Oh.
So, as I just mentioned, I

888
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:10.800
was in Vegas and I was with
my with our good buddy LESE. Bigel,

889
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.079
and we were both out there for
the wasn't the official opening. It

890
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:19.760
was a media event to announce the
opening, which I think today was the

891
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:26.319
opening. Oh really, maybe it
was, I don't remember. But the

892
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:32.960
National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas
just opened an Area fifty one exhibit,

893
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:41.399
and so they had a press a
press event where they invited us out and

894
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:45.760
they had a nice little press conference. But more importantly, they let us

895
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:50.479
walk through the exhibit. And the
thing I enjoyed most about walking through this

896
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:54.600
exhibit. And I'll get to the
exhibit in a minute, but was the

897
01:10:54.640 --> 01:11:00.159
ability to talk to the people behind
the exhibit, the curator there, that

898
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.800
the person who runs the museum,
and get their take on it, and

899
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:11.680
and really find out what their objective
was with this exhibit and why they decided

900
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:17.359
to open an Area fifty one exhibit. First of all, I was most

901
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:27.439
surprised by the attention that the exhibit
gives to the UFOs and extraterrestrials. Yeah.

902
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.479
You wouldn't think so I had the
National Atomic Museum. You know,

903
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:36.279
you think that'd be all about the
science and stuff, but well, so,

904
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.920
yeah, this is the the National
Atomic Testing Museum. It's it's a

905
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:44.600
fairly new museum. I think it
just opened in two thousand and five,

906
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:47.199
so it's it's pretty new, and
it's really nice. You know. When

907
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:50.880
I was coming up to the place, I was expecting to you know,

908
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:54.279
a lot of Vegas is kind of
old and run down, so I was

909
01:11:54.319 --> 01:12:00.720
expecting this National Atomic Testing Museum to
be crammed in some nasty warehouse next to

910
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:05.039
or sandwich between some nasty strip clubs. But the building is brand new.

911
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:11.279
Basically everything is nasty, clean and
shiny. I saw nothing nasty about it.

912
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:15.279
No strippers. Well, the media
event did have some free alcohol.

913
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:21.840
So there there were men in black
there and one of the man, one

914
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:26.640
of the men in black, accidentally
dumped his drink on the floor. Oh

915
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:29.560
really, and these drinks, I
forget what they called them, but they

916
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.960
were this toxic green. So there
was this toxic green sludge all over the

917
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.760
floor. He got it on his
suite too. I felt bad for him.

918
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:40.319
He was a really nice guy actually, So was he just some media

919
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:44.000
person or was he someone that they
with the museum who had they they had

920
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.239
dressed like that. The museum had
had men in black on staff. They

921
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:55.079
also had an ugly extraterrestrial too.
They seem to be buddies though good but

922
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:59.359
they both worked at the museum.
So but you know, it was something

923
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.640
like that. And I know some
people would be turned off by the fact

924
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:04.119
that they have that, and I
think that's that's a regular part of the

925
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.560
museum they're going to have. And
and you know, when I walked in,

926
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:14.199
they definitely had inflatable extraterrestrials balloons there
in front of the exhibit, and

927
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.239
so I could tell that they were
definitely playing up to that audience and that's

928
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:20.199
what they want, and it makes
sense, but you know when you get

929
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:28.479
into the exhibit and see just just
how much they're pushing or not pushing,

930
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:34.720
but you know, featuring UFOs and
not just UFOs but the search for extraterrestrial

931
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:42.800
life. You know, they have
an installation they're talking about SETI, about

932
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:48.359
Seth Shostak, about the efforts of
the Seti Institute. They have things talking

933
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:57.640
about various NASA initiatives, you know, the it's It's it that that definitely

934
01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.319
caught me by surprise. I wasn't
expecting that at all because what does that

935
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:05.079
have to do with Area fifty one. So I think they definitely took liberties

936
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:09.840
wherever they could to try to put
this stuff in there, you know,

937
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:15.880
because they really it seems to me
that they want to raise public awareness about

938
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:19.640
the reality of UFOs and extraterrestrials.
Well, what was the UFO type of

939
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:25.159
stuff they had there? I mean
was it actual research like was it Bob

940
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:29.600
Lazaar stuff or was it Roswell's stuff. So they definitely have that, you

941
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:31.520
know, that is an aspect of
the exhibit. And you know they have

942
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.520
little Roswell stuff here and there,
even even in the decor. You know,

943
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:39.520
they've got like kind of silvery memory
metal hanging from the walls and stuff

944
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:46.079
like that. But they also have
a little installation about George Knapp, who

945
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.720
is based in Las Vegas, so
he was able to work with them on

946
01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:57.199
the exhibit. Actually, and this
is probably for our listeners and for people

947
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:00.479
interested in UFOs in general. It's
probably the highlight of this exhibit. It

948
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:11.760
pretty incredible. Is a piece or
samples from an alleged crash UFO in Russia

949
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.840
that is known as the Russian Roswell
that occurred I think in nineteen eighty six,

950
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.920
and George Knapp went over and investigated
that and he smuggles back samples with

951
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:30.560
him and those samples have been tested
by quite a few people. And what's

952
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:35.560
interesting is is at the museum they
have this on display with I think some

953
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.119
of the test results too, and
this is provided by George Napp to the

954
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:45.359
museum, and at the exhibit they
have it displayed or labeled as authentic alien

955
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:50.800
artifact. And you know, I
think they're trying to be tongue of cheek

956
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:56.079
with that, but it's not.
You know, they don't say just kidding

957
01:15:56.239 --> 01:16:00.479
or anything on the sign. That's
how it's displayed. I didn't point this

958
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:08.479
out earlier. But this National Atomic
Testing Museum is affiliated with the Smithsonian.

959
01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:14.920
It is a Smithsonian museum. So
that's a pretty pretty bold claim to make

960
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.000
the Smithsonian Museum to say that this
is an authentic alien artist. Yeah,

961
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:21.399
this is a serious museum. I'm
sure everything else in there is real,

962
01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:25.800
you know, NASA or so right, there's a lot of NASA stuff.

963
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:30.399
There's certainly stuffy stuff from you know
that actually you know that that we know

964
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.640
it has been disclosed that that took
place at Area fifty one, like like

965
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:36.960
the oxcard program, the development of
the AH twelve that became the s R

966
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:42.199
seventy one Blackbird, you know,
and they have models of those planes on

967
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.720
there. The models are pretty cool
because they're like this big, but you

968
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.279
know, they definitely have that.
But again, I think the majority of

969
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:54.079
the exhibit is about this UFO stuff
and back to this authentic alien artifact.

970
01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:58.920
It it's really cool and LEAs Bigel
actually did a piece on this on the

971
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:06.119
Huffington Post pointing out some of the
test results or some of the the statements

972
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:12.079
made by by people who tested this
stuff, and what the samples are is

973
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:18.119
they're described as is very small,
perfectly round and glassy spheres, and the

974
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:25.840
exhibit description explains that scientific tests on
the UFO materials revealed strange behavior. This

975
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:30.760
is what it says. Three Soviet
academic centers and eleven research institutes analyze the

976
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:35.000
objects from this UFO crash. The
distance between atoms is different from ordinary iron.

977
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:41.600
Radar cannot be deflected or cannot be
reflected from the material. Elements in

978
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:47.399
the material may disappear and nuons reappear
after heating. One piece disappeared completely in

979
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:53.159
front of four witnesses. The core
of this material is composed of a substance

980
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:59.119
with anti gravitational properties. Hotly,
that's big time stuff. Yeah, that's

981
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:03.159
crazy, and it's on display in
the area fifty one exhibit. Wow.

982
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:09.880
So I hope they have it under
armed guard. Well, they've got the

983
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.880
extraterrestrial, they've got the men in
black there. I think that's their security.

984
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:17.920
Oh yeah, but you know,
and I think they're doing a good

985
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.960
shop. And again I mentioned this
earlier, but back to the point of

986
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:27.600
you know that the men in black
and you know, all this lightheartedness they

987
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.920
have with the exhibit. I know
some people will be turned off by that,

988
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:38.600
but I think it's done in a
tasteful way. This is an exhibit

989
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:43.279
and it's a very small museum and
they're trying to attract people. And this

990
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.600
is Las Vegas. You know,
people are going to be there with their

991
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.520
kids looking for something to do.
This makes it a fun appealing thing to

992
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:50.880
do, so they come in,
they get to see, you know,

993
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:56.119
the silly aliens and stuff. But
I think it's a great, great way

994
01:18:56.119 --> 01:19:00.840
and it's done in the right way
to bring people in but still present the

995
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:06.359
serious side to it. And talking
with the curator, Karen, she is

996
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:14.880
very much into the science of UFOs, and they're very much into generat or

997
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:21.159
increasing the public's interest and trying to
get people to think about UFOs, the

998
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:28.760
science of UFOs and doing more research
into it, finding out what these things

999
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:34.000
are and why isn't the government doing
more to investigate UFOs or are they telling

1000
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:39.760
us everything. I mean, they're
definitely trying to peak the public's interest and

1001
01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:44.720
get people involved in the research of
UFOs. Cool and that was my favorite

1002
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.119
part of being there, is talking
with the curator and talking with people and

1003
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:51.199
hearing their personal views on it and
hearing what they want to accomplish with the

1004
01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:57.359
exhibit. So after going there after
talking with them and seeing what they have

1005
01:19:57.479 --> 01:20:00.159
to offer. You know, I
wholehearted this report. What they're doing there

1006
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:08.159
and even beyond the exhibit itself,
what they're what they have lined up to

1007
01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:13.880
encourage people to come and check out
the exhibit is they're going to have special

1008
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:18.920
events throughout the year that involve special
speakers to come in and get presentations at

1009
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:26.319
the museum. Some of those include
Seth Shostak from the Seti Institute, John

1010
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:31.399
Alexander, and the one I'm I'm
most interested in. So John Alexander is

1011
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:35.279
going to talk about UFOs and I
mean he believes they're really oh yeah,

1012
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.960
oh yeah, absolutely nice. And
and this is the one that I'm really

1013
01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.640
excited about, and I'm sure you
will be too. But I don't know

1014
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:45.640
about this too much about it yet
because I don't I don't even know if

1015
01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:46.840
they have their speakers lined up.
I'm sure they have some of them,

1016
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:54.319
and I forget the exact title of
it, but it's something like military men

1017
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:58.079
who believe in UFOs. Wow.
So that's going to be a great,

1018
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:00.000
great presentation. Is going to have
several people well, and I think that

1019
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.560
one is sometime later in the year, like September or something like that.

1020
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:05.680
But that's definitely something I want to
go and check out. Very cool.

1021
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:10.800
But they're they're I think they're doing
the right things, and their hope is

1022
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:15.399
that the exhibit will be well received
and they'll be able to they have the

1023
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:18.640
space available too. They're they're they're
wanting to expand it and add more.

1024
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:23.119
They've got more to add to this
exhibit, but they're waiting to see how

1025
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:29.239
well it does to then expand and
possibly keep this as a permanent exhibit.

1026
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:32.159
That's pretty cool, pretty exciting.
And you said they were real nice and

1027
01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:39.279
they didn't treat you like a redheaded
step child one because you've got the mohawk,

1028
01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:45.199
or because you are working for some
UFO magazine. I think they assumed

1029
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.880
I was with the C the CIA. Oh really yeah, wow, Well

1030
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:55.359
I look pretty nice and I was
asking all the right or wrong questions.

1031
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.079
Uh oh, dun, dun,
dun. So cool. That's pretty exciting.

1032
01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.319
Now they had a sort of speakers
there, right, they did some

1033
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:04.800
end. Did any of those guys
talk about UFOs or were those just kind

1034
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:08.760
of people I know there are some
people who worked for Area fifty one,

1035
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:14.800
right, Yeah, they're really nobody
really talked about the UFOs. You know,

1036
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.760
there was TD Barnes who worked at
Area fifty one. He worked on

1037
01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:27.119
the Oxcart program, and LEAs Biegel, you know, was very good about

1038
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.039
putting the questions to him, taking
him to the task the right. So

1039
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.359
yeah, he definitely pushed him and
he said, well what about what about

1040
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:39.000
the UFOs? And I mean he
eventually wore him down, and you know,

1041
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:42.720
he was being very cagy and and
there were other other Area fifty one

1042
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:46.279
guys there too, and they were
they all had convenient answers, were dodging

1043
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:51.159
the question and in not so creative
ways. But eventually TD Barnes said,

1044
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:58.479
well, sure, I guess anything's
possible, but just sort of gave that

1045
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:02.640
to non communic We'll say, oh, ox Cart, that's what created the

1046
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:12.399
UFO craze because people were seeing are
pre SR seventy one or type of technology.

1047
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.920
But they'll also admit that, you
know, their projects are secret and

1048
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.159
they can't see the other projects.
They don't work on the other projects,

1049
01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:23.039
so they don't know what else is
going on. And I will say this,

1050
01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:25.159
T. D. Barnes is a
very cool guy, and he's got

1051
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:28.960
a lot to say and he's somebody
that we should definitely talk to. He's

1052
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:34.000
got a lot of information. But
you know, I found some of their

1053
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:39.800
answers to be conflicting with each other. They certainly were, you know,

1054
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.479
I don't know if they were trying
to dodge questions or you know, push

1055
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:47.119
out answers that they had convinced themselves
of. But you're right, you know

1056
01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:50.720
they've got these They say that,
oh, you know what, we only

1057
01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:54.840
were told about the projects we were
working on, and that's all we were

1058
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:57.359
allowed to know. That thought we
needed to know. We didn't know anything

1059
01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:02.039
else that was going on there.
But then I would also say thirty seconds

1060
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:05.840
later that, oh, yeah,
well, if something would have been brought

1061
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.600
on the base, we would have
known. So well, wait a second,

1062
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:11.880
you just said you didn't you were
You weren't supposed to know, You

1063
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:15.760
weren't told anything. You only knew
what you had to know. So how

1064
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:18.239
is it not possible that something was
brought on the base that you did not

1065
01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:21.960
know about? Yeah? Yeah,
you know, I've talked to a guy

1066
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:26.840
I've told this story maybe I don't
know on the air before, but a

1067
01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:30.079
guy who worked at Shriverer's Air Force
Base, which is a top secret base

1068
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:34.399
and they have lots of projects,
and you know, there was a document

1069
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:40.319
that came out that possibly there was
some UFO research going on there, and

1070
01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:43.479
this engineer said, Oh, there's
no way, you know. I work

1071
01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:45.159
there, I would know. And
so I asked him, well, isn't

1072
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:49.520
aren't all the projects there top secret? Yeah? Do you even know what

1073
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.159
the guy next to you everything he's
working on. And he thought about it

1074
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.199
for a second, He's like no, So I said, wouldn't it be

1075
01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:00.159
possible if one of the things he
was working on, or if you the

1076
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.279
way someone was working on would be
a UFO project and that you wouldn't know

1077
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.680
because you're not supposed to. And
that really turned on the light for him

1078
01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:10.920
because he is more open minded,
and he thought, wow, yeah,

1079
01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:15.399
that is completely possible. So I
guess I wouldn't have any idea, which

1080
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:16.720
is the same case it seems here. Yeah, they wouldn't really know.

1081
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:20.520
They're just not admitting to themselves they
wouldn't know, but they wouldn't really know.

1082
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:25.239
Right. One of the guys told
a story of how you know,

1083
01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:30.000
when like carpenters or some workers were
brought on the base that all of the

1084
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:34.000
area fifty one workers were taken and
sort of locked up in the mess hall.

1085
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:39.279
Wow, because they in the story
that he said the reason for that

1086
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:43.439
was because they didn't want the workers
coming on the base to interact with the

1087
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:47.640
Area fifty one workers. But you
could turn that around and say just as

1088
01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.720
easily, they didn't want the workers
to see what was being brought on the

1089
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:54.199
base. Yeah, you know,
how do they know what was going on

1090
01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:57.359
if they were locked up in this
room? So oh wow, Yeah,

1091
01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:00.520
that's interesting. And another interesting thing
that was brought up during the conference.

1092
01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:02.760
Somebody, and I don't remember who
asked the question, but somebody asked the

1093
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:09.000
question of the panel well, asking
about the Janet air Lines, the Janet

1094
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:15.399
flights that supposedly take workers out to
Area fifty one from Vegas, and nobody

1095
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:18.199
seemed to know anything about Janet Airlines
except that it was Janeit air Lines.

1096
01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:21.680
They didn't know it had any or
they did. They wouldn't say there was

1097
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:27.479
any connection between Area fifty one and
they They remarked that when they worked there,

1098
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:30.760
they were they were busted to Area
fifty one. Interesting. Yeah,

1099
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.319
But when I when I did leave
Vegas, I thought too of the Janet

1100
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:38.560
Airlines sitting out outside of their hangers. That's pretty cool. And that's the

1101
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:41.119
first time you've been able to see
them. Look, I've seen them.

1102
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.840
I've seen them one other time.
Oh you did, but yeah, one

1103
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:47.239
other time at the airport. But
this is every time I go there,

1104
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:50.399
I look and try to try and
I know generally where they're, where their

1105
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:55.319
hanger is, where they're But this
time two of the planes were just sitting

1106
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:57.640
out there. Cool. Kind of
waved at them. Do you get a

1107
01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:00.680
picture? No, no pictures,
waved at them. He was turning take

1108
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:04.239
off. Alejandro, your your electronics
are supposed to be off right. Yeah.

1109
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.520
That screwed me on the way in
too, because Air Force one was

1110
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:13.720
also with the airport, right,
bummers, you didn't pull Alec Baldwin.

1111
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.640
I'm going to you know, I
keep missing out on these camera opportunities.

1112
01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:21.039
Yeah. Well guess what we're like
pretty much out of time, buddy,

1113
01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:26.000
Yes, we are all right.
Well, thank you so much for the

1114
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:29.640
news you went over. So now
we can't have our guests. Matt Damon

1115
01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:33.720
on I am more important than Matt
Damon. Yeah, so sorry, Matt

1116
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:38.279
Damon. We'll have you on another
time sometime. He'll be our backup.

1117
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.560
Yeah, but we are out of
time. Thank you Jason McClelland for the

1118
01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.479
news. Then my pleasure, Alejandro, thank you. Did you have any

1119
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:50.880
other closing statement? Alejandro for president? Yeah, now the big guy take

1120
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:56.399
that one. Anyhow, Thanks so
much for listening. Again. I want

1121
01:27:56.439 --> 01:28:00.479
to mention yet again because I'm so
excited about it. Next week's guest who

1122
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:05.640
is David Paris, and he is
the one who works with doctor Jack Kasher

1123
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:13.520
who Jason was referring to earlier.
He's also a University of Nebraska professor and

1124
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:20.399
he teaches all kinds of different disciplines
astronomy and physics and all the cool stuff.

1125
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:25.479
So this guy has a lot of
degrees. Very smart guy. In

1126
01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:30.079
fact, hopefully I'll be able to
understand all the technology that he's talking about.

1127
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:32.640
Him going to be going over my
head with a lot of this stuff.

1128
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:36.239
But if you're science minded and into
the science of this stuff, tune

1129
01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:43.399
in and hear why. You know, this professor believes in UFOs, he

1130
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:47.439
believes that they're probably extraterrestrial and nature
and the technology he believes that they're using,

1131
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.760
and why he's so adamant about,
you know, getting this information out

1132
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:56.039
there. They even had their own
little conference a few weeks ago where him

1133
01:28:56.079 --> 01:29:00.760
and Jack Casher presented some of this
stuff and is and we also talk about,

1134
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.199
which I think is cool, other
paranormal phenomena, how it relates to

1135
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:11.560
UFO phenomena scientifically, you know,
the different types of energies and stuff that

1136
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:15.119
are measured and devices that are used. Because he's also a ghost center,

1137
01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:20.319
him takes his students out and their
student organization look at all kinds of different

1138
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:26.399
paranormal phenomena. So it's going to
be a great show. Thanks for listening.

1139
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:30.560
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1140
01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:34.920
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