Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO
news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your
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the show starting. Oh my gosh, it's Alejandro. How are you.
This is Open Minds Radio and we're really happy to have you with us
again. We weren't able to be here last week. I actually had some
family in town and I selfishly took the day off, denying you your regular
weekly dose of Open Minds Radio. And I do humbly apologize, but we're
really happy to be back, and you're gonna get more than you ever wanted.
Nah, we'll leave the more. Don't worry about it. Of Jason
and I because this is one of our UFO News specials. And really I've
been wanting to do this. We've been wanting to do this ever since the
Congress, but we kind of had some other cool stuff going on, so
we've had some other people on the show. Of course, so Phoenix Lights
Anniversary was earlier in March, so we're able to get around to it now.
We are going to have a really cool show next week. We've already
got that lined up, and that is David Paris, who's actually a University
of Nebraska professor. He actually teaches on several topics at several schools, including
physics and astronomy and geology. Very intelligent person, and we'll be talking about
the science of UFOs. In fact, he has his very own theories,
very good ones, by the way, on UFOs and their propulsion. And
you may have heard some people the triangle where there's been at least one instance
where a plane kind of went into this tunnel of clouds and then had kind
of a like the opposite of missing time, where all of a sudden he
was a lot further than he should have been. And David Paris has a
theory about this, very technical, and he thinks that this is what these
UFOs are using as propulsion. Very interesting stuff. So this is going to
be a lot of fun next week talking to David Paris. This week,
we're going to talk a lot about all the news that we've got to catch
up with, because you know, the last couple of shows have been pretty
long. We had Grant Cameron and we kind of cut the new short in
order to get all that, and then we didn't have news last week.
So let's get into all of the news that is fit to print on UFOs.
And we have with us this guy who is just really extraordinary at what
he does, and that is Jason McClellan, our UFO news correspondent. Hello
Jason, Hello Alejandro, UFO News Time. Huh. That's right. It
has been a while. All day every day, we haven't had a chance
to do our usual UFO chat, and there's been some interesting stuff that I've
definitely wanted to talk with you about. Yeah, very much. I wanted
to start with this one just because you and I were just talking about the
UK, So I'll start with this one. But kind of an interesting story.
A councilor from Yorkshire, England, claims his real mother was an extraterrestrial.
His name is Simon Parks and he was elected to Whitby Town Council in
February as a Labor Party candidate, and he says he met a nine foot
tall green extraterrestrial when he was only six months old, and this extraterrestrial claimed
to be his real mother. He alleged he has had more than one hundred
extraterrestrial visitations during his lifetime, and according to the Yorkshire Post, Parks has
been the quote subject of horrific alien operations and had an implant put into his
hand by the creatures. Parks also claims that age at age eleven, his
extraterrestrial mother took him aboard a UFO. His extraterrestrial beliefs were reportedly not an
issue that was raised during his campaign. That's surprising, but according to the
Northern Echo, Park states quote, it's a personal matter and it doesn't affect
it might work. Did when did this news first come out? Did it
come out before his campaign? I don't know. I mean, he says
that it wasn't an issue. I certainly hadn't heard about it until maybe a
week or two ago. But I know, after digging into it a little
bit, I know that the story's been out there. He certainly, if
you look on YouTube, he's got a bunch of videos where he's talking in
detail about these encounters with extraterrestrials. So it doesn't seem to be a recent
happening. But you know, I guess in politics, especially in the United
States, the only thing that matters is if there was a sexual encounter.
Well really, they've had that MP in Europe. I mean, this poor
guy has really got harassed. And he's just written books about UFOs and ets
and other paranormal subjects and this guy his that's right, pretty big news.
Yeah, and his moving into his post as an MP has been delayed because
of his beliefs and so, yeah, they were harsh with this poor guy.
So it's interesting that this guy seems to be getting that as that bad
treatment as the other one, and his stories are more extreme. Yeah,
you know, actual encounters and repeated encounters and implants his actual mother is an
extraterrestrial, so yeah, that's uh and unas descriptions too. I mean you
don't nowadays, you don't really hear of green extraterrestrials that much, and certainly
not with his description. And it's interesting that he recalls some of these memories
from when he was six months old. You know, that's pretty impressive.
I don't know many people who recall memories from when they were six months old.
But he specifically recalls an eight that this green extraterrestrial had eight fingers and
it put its eight eight fingered hand on him. So a green a tall
green extraterrestrial with eight fingers on each hand. Interesting description that we don't hear
all that often. Yeah, pretty uh. I don't know what to make
of this whole thing. I don't either, and it's surprising there hasn't been
more news about it, so I don't know, you know, if it
was perhaps, I don't know. I don't know what the point would have
been of a publicity stunter anything this long after his election. But interesting.
We'll see if anything more comes out about that. And I don't know how
much more time I want to devote to it. But there there are more
videos of him discussing his details of all of this, and I've only kind
of breezed through them, so I'll see if there's anything more to pull from
those videos. But I think I've I've gone over the highlights so far.
All Right, Well, Alejandra, this is something that you and I like
to talk about a lot, and that is space news with the search for
extraterrestrial life. And there was some really exciting news last week new data from
the European Southern Observatory's HARPS that's high accuracy radio velocity planet searchure planting planet hunting
telescope suggest there could be tens of billions of earthlike planets in our galaxy.
Astronomer analyzing this new data estimate that approximately forty percent of red dwarf stars in
the Milky Way Galaxy may have Earth sized planets orbiting them with the right conditions
for life. Red dwarfs constitute nearly eighty percent of the stars in the galaxy,
and according to wire dot com, their pervasiveness means quote that there are
tens of billions of possible places to look for life beyond Earth, with at
least one hundred such planets located nearby. During this recent survey of red dwarf
stars, scientists discovered a planet in the Gliza six sixty seven triple star system.
This is the second planet discovered in that system and has been named Gliza
six sixty seven Capital C, LITTLEC. And just a quick note here from
what I understand, that naming, even though it's very bland, the names
they choose for these things are very unexciting, but the notations the letter notations
there the capital SA and little C indicate that the first sea would indicate the
number of stars. So because there are three stars in that system, A
B, and C. This is in the third star, the C star,
and then the second C in there. And I don't know why they
duplicate this, but they do so. In the Little C's the first A
would be the star. They've already notated the star, so the first planet
would be A, would be B, and the second planet would be C.
So this is the second planet in that system, so it's notated with
the C. It's a horrible name, but at least there's some sense to
the magic. Yeah. So the planet is situated near the center of the
habitable zone and according to astronomers, it quote almost certainly has the right condition
conditions for the existence of liquid water on its surface. Lisa six to sixty
seven Capital C Little C is the second super Earth planet located in the habitable
zone of a red dwarf star discovered during the HARP survey. The first was
Gleza five to eighty one D, which was confirmed in two thousand and nine.
And that is not to be confused with Leaves of five eighty one G
that we've talked about a lot on the show, mainly two years ago.
We talked most about that, but that was an exciting discovery, almost discovery
it's still debatable. I believe that five eighty one G even exists, but
the people who discovered it claimed that it was. It was in the habitable
zone, and that's when we started talking about Really that's what's the start of
us talking about planets in the habitable zone. But it's since been debated as
to whether the planet G actually exists. But five eighty one D was confirmed
in two thousand and nine, with more information coming from ESO's harps. And
when we talk about most NASA's Kepler Space Telescope and current data continuing to be
analyzed by astronomers, they're still getting information in from these these sources, and
they have information they've already received from years past that they're still going through.
Incredible discoveries about the galaxy are, in my opinion, certain to become more
common, and each new discovery helps us discover well, discover more, and
perhaps brings us closer to finding extratrustrial life. M hm. Yeah, I
think it's a safe bet for you to say certain because we keep seeing these
on nearly a daily basis, a weekly basis. Yeah, I mean the
one you just mentioned, the Goldilocks zone. For people who know they call
it Goldilocks because it's not too hot for water to be in a gaseous form,
not too cold for water to be in a solid form, but it's
in a liquid state, which as far as our example of our planet,
we know that water is an important component here for life. But that's what's
interesting. Some of the dwarf stars are talking about some of these stars that
aren't even around a sun, that some of these could have the right right
configuration where water the planet's warm enough because of gravity and all these other factors
that water would be liquid there. So what we call the Goldilock zone is
where kept learning. Lots of these other people are looking for planets that most
likely would have life, but they're finding that there are probably planets there could
be planets with life or at least the right components to harbor life outside of
the Goldilocks zone. So this number of how many planets could be habitable keeps
increasing and increasing. It's going to spiral out of control because again, as
you pointed out, I mean this is looking for planets that are an in
the habitable zone based on life as we know it. So that's really what
is being targeted in when we discover new environments where certain types of life can
be sustained. That's going to increase this search zone that these different tools are
looking for. So it's really exciting. I mean, yeah, I don't
know if I mentioned that. On the last shadow I wrote a story for
the magazine. Of course, stuff is happening so quick, and it used
to not be like this. You know, you could feel pretty safe that
there won't be another discovery in the next couple of months or in the next
six months. But we have them on a weekly basis. Where I wrote
the story like a month ago, that's going to be in the magazine in
another month, and already there's been a couple more discoveries that I wasn't able
to get in there. But still the story gives you some more history about
SETI and what Seti's doing, what a coupler is doing, and what some
of these other groups are doing, such as this group out of the Smithsonian
who found a planet themselves looking at different data, and this planet is very
close. They decided to look at close stars, relatively close stars, and
this one's like twenty seven light years away, and there's a water world there,
and so they think there could be life there, and they're shocked and
excited because as if we sent a probe there, it'd only take with today's
technology maybe a couple hundred years to get there, so may or may not
be worth doing considering what technology we may have by then we may be able
to visit there ourselves. But still that even like this guy was shocked because
he says it was easier to find this than it should have been. We
thought it would take us a long time, and boom, first system we
look at and here's a planet that is in the Goldilock zone. So it's
really exciting, gets more and more, and I think that's why we have
more discussion around extraterrestrials and the possibility, especially with the Scientific group, and
it's probably why Paul Davies and his assistant over here at ASU decided, you
know what, why don't we look at the Moon for artificial life, of
artificial or artifacts and evidence of visitation from advanced civilizations. I mean, I
think their minds are opening from it. And that's what's so exciting because once
we officially confirm life elsewhere, even if it is microbial or very mundane,
I think it'll really open people's eyes because there are still that small group of
people out there that say, ah, there probably isn't any life out there
beyond our planet at all. I think you're right. I mean, even
the smallest, the smallest type of life discovered, I think will just open
the floodgates. And I mean we're already seeing the floodgates open with this new
space race. You know, there's renewed interest in exploring space and searching for
life. So you've got countries around the world racing against each other, launching
all these new programs, and you know, even programs that were launched years
ago. We're finally getting the data back from that and that's what's causing this
flood of information and it just keeps coming. And I know you agree.
I mean it's extremely exciting to me. And you know, I love seeing
the interest that it's causing, and not just scientists but the general public.
I mean, they're they're seeing that stuff is being done. And I love
that you brought up Paul Davies, and you know, we keep pushing farther
and farther on into space. But I love coming back to the moon and
looking at the moon because that needs to be done. The moon's I love
the moon, iow is another one. Of course, we've talked about that
a lot. Io Er. We've known about that for a while, that
it's an ice planet, possibly with oceans under the ice. But this is
another interesting new discovery is Saturn has a moon that's similar. And I don't
know how they say it. Do you know how they say it encalates.
I've heard it pronounced a couple of different ways. The way I pronounce it
is intuladus into latest sounds like ensilada, which is salad in Spanish, So
that kind of sounds weird to me, yes, but it should sound normal
to you as well, Like I had a lettuce floating around Saturn. That
there could be some some logic to that thing in I think, because it
ends with an end, so maybe in sell it in Oh, I don't
know, but it's they say in these stories that the name is lovely,
so whatever way it's said is a lovely way. But regardless, here's another
planet kind of like Io with ice. And now they've seen that the ice,
the way it's cracking and the way the cracks are moving away from each
other, look to be fluid, which indicates to them that this ice is
covering large liquid oceans. It's probably water, and there could be whale people
under there, the civilization of intelligent whale people. I think. What they're
finding, and this is the most exciting, is they're finding that the water
seems to be quite common. They're finding it everywhere where. We used to
think that, you know, we can't find water anyway, but they're finding
it everywhere now and the evidence of it on Mars, on the moon again.
Back closer to home, they just recently sent a probe to Venus and
discovered new features of Venus's surface that they never knew. And that's right here
and very close. But then with the the the recent news of the ten
billion planets, you know that that's just in our galaxy, and our galaxy,
you know, a very tiny representation of the universe. Yeah, were
you going to talk about I think we're off this topic now, right,
Yeah, which is a great topic, and we obviously love the topic,
and I know not not not all of our listeners do, so I'll stop
pa space stuff. But the April Fool's joke about Steven Spilberg, did you
see that one? I did not? Why don't you tell me about that.
I can't remember who posted it, but it was pretty funny. It
was a story about Steven Spilberg going to space. So you know, I'm
thinking, okay, it's like a lot of these other stories Katy Perry and
her husband what Russell Brand and all these other people buying tickets either on that
SpaceX or with Virgin Galactic to fly up into space. But it says no,
he's going to Mars, and that NASA is going to send a group
of people to Mars, and that Steven Spielberg is signed up to be on
that first list. It was an April Fool's joke from a story yesterday,
but it was kind of funny. If anybody else has seen that out there,
it was had me going for a minute. I dislike April Fool's Day.
Yeah, I know, especially with with with how easy, especially because
that's so exciting, and I'm like spreads now, you know, people pick
up on these things and it is only discovered many hours later the when it
makes sense and you're thinking, how cool we need to do that, We
need to go to Mars. Why don't we go to Mars? What's going
on? Good to Mars? Like I don't know what it's working, Schwarzenegger
said Khager. But Obama's already been to Mars. That's what they say.
That's what they say. But we've been exciting about going to the Moon and
building a base in the Moon as a jumping point to get to Mars.
All of this stuff that makes complete sense and would just be so exciting.
On the flip side of all of this, of course, we're in a
recession. It's hard to justify spending that kind of money. So I don't
know. We'll see what happens. The quickest way to the Moon or Mars
is probably economics. As soon as we get out of a recession, I'm
sure money will flow a little more into that industry. I'm putting all my
money on SpaceX. Those guys have it together. Go SpaceX, Go SpaceX.
All right. Well, you know, in addition to well, I'm
one of the great things with all of the space news, all of the
information coming in from these various NASA and other projects. Not only it is
getting into the media excited, the general public excited, but it's also spurring
a lot of I guess resurgence in in university programs, in the science departments,
and we're seeing a lot more. You know, professors get involved in
actively searching for extraterrestrial life. And I love reading about, you know,
the various professors who now aren't afraid to admit that they look for extraterrestrial life,
or they believe in extraterrestrial life, or they believe in UFOs, things
like that. So there is one, and I believe we've talked about him
on the show before, but definitely on our website and possibly in the magazine.
This is someone from history, but doctor James E. McDonald was a
college professor and the senior physicist for the University of Arizona here in Arizona,
obviously at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics. In the nineteen fifties and sixties.
He was also intrigued by UFOs and actively investigated the phenomenon on Friday. The
reason I bring this up is on Friday, March twenty third, the Arizona
Daily Star published multiple stories from their archives about McDonald and his UFO research.
In an article from nineteen fifty d eight, MacDonald commented on how the scientific
community at the time ignored UFO research. He suggested the main reason for this
was quote, the lack of proper data and the ridicule that sometimes followed the
man who sees an unidentified object. In nineteen sixty six, an article titled
UFOs are Real Physicist Asserts highlighted a presentation given by McDonald to more than two
hundred US faculty members and students in which he stated that UFOs are most likely
quote extraterrestrial probes. He bas this conclusion on his ten years of studying unusual
atmospheric phenomena in addition to six months specifically investigating UFOs. During the same presentation,
McDonald voiced his discuss at the Air Force official investigation in the UFOs Project
blue Book. He referred to blue book as a quote scientific scandal and even
called into question the scientific competence of the investigators involved. In another article from
nineteen sixty nine, MacDonald also criticized the Condon Report, which was another Air
Force funded UFO study. The full articles about McDonald can be read on the
Arizona Daily Stars website, which is azystarnet dot com. I thought that was
interesting that they chose to highlight that group of articles from their archives about McDonald.
Certainly some interesting stuff in there and a lot more that I didn't get
to you there. But another college professor who was recently in the news was
retired University of Nebraska at Omaha physics professor Jack Kashner. He believes in UFOs
and extraterrestrials, and he even recently stated, I'm Catholic and we believe in
angels and things like that. If your religion doesn't allow for the existence of
extraterrestrials, then something is wrong with your religion. And he recently was featured
on the show NASA's Unexplained Files. It was on the Science Channel as part
of their month long series titled Are We Alone, where they featured several shows
about extraterrestrials. He's been out there a lot. On James McDonald. We
actually have a story in our last magazine. I can't remember which one it
was now maybe I can't remember, but with James McDonald, and it actually
has pictures from his family that I don't think anybody else has ever seen before.
So we have some really good stuff on James McDonald there, because,
yeah, he was a important person, professor who was looking into UFOs,
and he had a lot of pool because he was so well respected, and
he did a lot of battle and really kind of I would say, I
think people would have different opinions, but really put some of those debunkers to
tasks and make them look a little foolish and showed that they were less and
honest at times, and including Phil Class, who you know. We had
an article actually in the magazine with that was written by Kathleen Martin where she
did some research and put together all of the efforts by Phil Class to get
James McDonald like fired and ridiculed and made fun of, which never actually came
to fruition, thank goodness. So, yeah, he was a really important
guy in the past. But Jack Kasher, who did Jack Casher did a
conference recently at the University of Nebraska at Omaha with our guests for next week,
David Paris. They were two professors who did this conference. Jack Casher's
been in MOUFON. He's the state director for Nebraska for MOFON and he was
one of the first guys to look at the Stan Romaneck equations. Interesting enough,
and he was very amazed. You can see videos from the congress on
that. But yeah, I guess he worked for NASA for a little while
or has done some work with NASA, and he's been on a lot of
the TV shows looking at NASA and stuff like that. So yeah, Jack
Kesher's I guess he's retired now. He no longer works at the University of
Nebraska, but he's an emeritus and still goes there. Is he going to
be in the upcoming stand Romanek documentary at all? I don't know. They
have some video from him, I would guess so, but I can't say
for sure because I do not know. Did you happen to catch any of
the various shows on the Science Channel? Now? I don't have the Science
Channel, and which is probably I mean, I don't have time to watch
much TV or anything, so because we're writing all the time, of course,
and it's probably better I don't because then I've spent too much time watching
that stuff. We watching Mitchell O Kaku's show and all of these shows this
month, so I didn't catch many of those, so I'm not sure even
what Jack Ksher talked about, did you? The only one I caught was
I believe part one of the two part series. It was called Alien Encounters,
I think, and that one predominantly featured Carl Sagan's son, Nick Sagan,
And it was an interesting show. It was really well done. And
I didn't watch the entire episode either. I was just caught maybe half of
it. And really it was just this supposition basically, this this what if
scenario, and it was it was like it was almost like a movie.
They put us together, put a premise forward that we detected a UFO coming
towards Earth, and it shows what might happen, who might do, what,
what preparations would be made, how people would respond, and they sort
of walk you through that as the ship approaches and they say, oh,
there's two months to a contact, and so they talked to Nick Sagan and
some other experts and you know, make guesses as to how people would responded.
It was kind of interesting. Other shows have done it before. Yeah,
what did they say? People would be freaking out? Or they showed
some people who were just like kind of only focused on that and they let
the rest of their life go to crap, and you know, their relationships
were falling apart. They were just like stuck to their computers watching this thing
come. But most people were just kind of living their lives or something.
Well, you had the people you know, like they they depict in like
Independence Day, where you know you have the groups of people who are holding
their signs going, hey, come here, UFOs, we love you.
Yeah. I think the biggest response isn't that. That's why I think there
would be a wide variety of responses to something like that. And you know
a lot of people say, people like us who are into UFOs and do
this research are going to be out of a job. But I don't believe
that at all. You know, the media always needs their pundits, and
we would be that. I think that, you know, it would be
good for all of us who are into this because I think more people will
be coming to look for answers, and we'd be able to have wider audiences
to share this stuff with, to share all this history and everything that's going
on. So I think be a good thing on several levels, you know,
depending on what you think might be happening. Of course, if you
think they're coming here to blow us up and to eat us, then you
wouldn't be as excited about it. No, probably not. But yeah,
there would be a wide variety of responses, and you know, you probably
I don't know. I mean I try to equate it to other things that
we for some reason or another here on the news gets blown into a big
story, like you know, like the various stories from last year of space
junk going to crash into Earth and you know, the media went nuts with
it and freak people out. Some people were freaked out, but most people
thought it was really a big deal. They'd make a bigger deal of it.
So really, although it is a big deal for NASA and those guys
up there, I mean just I think last week they had to go into
the escape pap pod again and sit in their own weight as space junk flew
close to them. I bet space Junk's always flying close to them. There's
so much crap up there. Yeah, well supposedly, you know, they
can see the small space junk and where it is and how close it's getting
to them and everything. So but yeah, I there's another story out there
that Lispiegel wrote, and I don't know if it's on your list, but
I don't want to trumpet your list there. If you've got because I know
you have it laid out, you may want to talk about it later or
can I bring it up now? You can bring it up, and if
it's something that's in my list of chronological stories. I will veto you are
bringing it up now, this is a NASA files and stuff that we're on
that show. Oh absolutely, we talk about it. Oh yeah, So
because NASA talked about some of their UFO sightings too, and some of their
end they they even had talked about like James mcdibbott in his sighting. And
this is when I know John Schrusler, who I knew who was in working
with NASA at the time, was around and this was James mcdivott. When
he was up you know, in space, he took some film of an
object that he thought was really strange. And the story is when he got
back, they took the video or the film and he didn't see it again.
Later they released pictures here some of the stuff that they filmed, and
they said, well, that's not you know, the stuff I saw.
But they're like, oh, yeah, this is everything, and he's like,
no, this is not what I saw. And I guess, you
know from people who talked to him, he was upset about it and he
wanted to know where the stuff he filmed was and they never showed him.
And that stuff has never surfaced so I guess they kind of blew it over
and it just lightly went over this in the UFO files on the NASA UFO
files portion of the shows that they were showing. But what was disappointing to
Lease Spiegel is that he interviewed James mcdiviott back then, and you know,
so he's got all of this audio and they didn't go talk to mcdibott,
who's still alive, to get his perspective on this whole thing about how he's
still very concerned that they never showed the film that he filmed, and it's
just one of many stories, of course, that could glossed over, let
alone Gordon Cooper, who that's it's cool too about that. You know,
if you missed the Congress and you want to get some DVDs, definitely get
the Least Spiegel one because there's some interesting stuff there, including because he also
interviewed Gordon Cooper and he was one of the first guys to interview Gordon Cooper
about his UFO signings, so of course another astronaut. So I guess that
show was pretty light on the real hard data and the real interesting mysteries behind
some of those NASA UFO footages well, and I don't think that surprises anybody,
but you know, they they definitely weren't shy about hyping it up like
they were going to be these great secrets that came out from people who worked
at NASA and were really going to shake things up. But I'm not surprised
to hear that they kind of yeah, played that. You know. Bryce
Dabo puts it really well that the media is typically here's what they're saying,
here's what these guys are saying, and you know, we're gonna come down
somewhere in the middle, and so the same kind of thing that you know,
playing that middle safe ground, and so you can hype the hell out
of something. Here's what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk
about aliens and NASA and UFOs and NASA film and it gets people to watch,
and then you show them the intriguing stuff and then you kind of can
wrap it up and be safe by letting the NASA represent and they have their
piece and say what they think about it. I'm trying to remember who else
was in that show. Story Musgrave was in there, right, Oberg was
in there. So Story Musgrave, we saw it Moufon. He spoke at
Moufon, he doesn't believe there is evidence of UFOs or of anything strange visiting
US. I asked him personally, well, had you heard the stories,
because he said, I've heard. I've talked to every astronaut about whether or
not you know about their UFO sightings, and I found them all to be
something that they mistaked as, you know, something mundane that they mistook as
something mysterious. So I asked him, particularly what about Gordon Cooper, because
he had a couple of experiences, even as a pilot, and he said,
yep, I talked to Gordon Cooper. I just don't see what he
was saying as something mysterious. And of course Gordon Cooper says, when he
was in the Air Force and a jet they saw like seven of these discs
fly by their formation of planes. So of course, how do you explain
that. Let alone, also, when he was working at Edward's therefore his
base, seeing a silver disc land on this test bed and then get up
and fly away. And that was a video his guys filmed, which was
somebody came and collected it and he never saw it again. So unfortunately,
you know, that's about all story. Musgrave would say, he wouldn't,
you know, explain himself further as to why he doesn't think those things are
mysterious when they sound pretty dang mysterious to me. You know, people who
are set in their beliefs really are not going to change them, especially if
they're not open to changing them. So yeah, there's not much you can
do there. But and it's something that you know, I think we all
have to remind ourselves of when hearing UFO stories and reading UFO siding reports and
things like that, is you know, especially if you've had your own UFO
siding or sightings that witness testimony, you know, there's there's so much to
put into into what the witness says and what they saw, because you know,
even if a video doesn't appear to go along with what you believe or
or there's a possible explanation, and other videos come forward and say this is
probably what you saw when there wasn't a photo or video at that time,
and the person says, no, that's not that's not what I saw.
Why are you saying that what I saw didn't look anything like that? You
know, really it comes down to people seeing things personally, and really that's
what it takes for a lot of people to believe is seeing it for themselves.
So we see that a lot with with UFO sidings, and especially when
when there is no evidence to corroborate their statement. They just had their statement
and through their description it might sound like it was a flock of or something
like that. But when people see the video of that demonstrated and go,
no, that's not what I saw at all, stop saying that's what I
saw because I know what I saw, right, And it can be very
frustrating for the people who had the experience. So I get really upset,
they get downright angry. Well they should, that's right. I mean,
it's good to be open to, you know, trying to find out what
possible explanations there could be. But there's a difference between that and being positive
about certain characteristics. You saw certain movements or shapes or behaviors, and when
someone tries to tell you that you didn't observe that, it's frustrating. Yeah.
Well, I want to move into talking about some UFO sightings. Go
for it, and first I'll just gloss over this story. But it was
big news, so I thought I would bring it up. But Pop singer
Rihanna she'll be fighting hustle extraterrestrials in the upcoming Hollywood blockbuster film Battleship, and
although this movie will be her big screen debut, Rihanna is not a novice
when it comes to watching for UFOs and extraterrestrials. As a child in Barbados,
Rihanna reportedly spent considerable time on her family's porch searching the night sky for
UFOs. According to the Sun, the singer recently stated, quote, my
dad used to make me sit outside on the steps all night long looking for
UFOs flying by, and I had to do that for years. In her
years of skywatching, Rihanna clans she saw a shooting star, but no UFOs.
And I know that you don't care at all, Elehudre. But Battleship
opens in theaters April eleventh. I really have no interest in seeing that movie.
Yeah, but yeah, I read those stories and I saw that,
but I didn't see anything where she kind of said she believes in UFOs or
anything. Did she No, didn't see anything. That's too bad. And
in fact, you know now that you bring that up, you know the
main source being the Sun. They're not always great at providing information or even
oh that's right saying or that was interesting too that the sun was or were
actually correct in what they're saying, But yeah, Sun isn't often accurate,
and they often are using other people's stories. But this time they did the
interview in this case, which was interesting. But yeah, so they didn't
say much. I was kind of hoping. It's kind of cool she talked
about her dad, you know, looking at stuff that's kind of interesting and
at least being brave enough to do that. Of course, it's related to
this movie, so it's kind of one more celebrity to chalk up to all
the celebrities that have talked about UFOs and ET's in the last year. Not
as exciting as Fran Dresser or Sammy Hagar saying they talk and with aliens and
everything, but yeah, actual encounters. But still, you know, it's
it's another example of yeah, and you know, it's likely or I think
it's directly related to the fact that there are so many extraterrestrial themed movies.
Yeah, you know, so the topic does come up a lot directly to
these people. So even then, Ninja Turtles right, and which is kind
of frustrating because it's like these days, because aliens are in movies so much,
it's not a very original concept to have an alien movie. That's one
of my gripes with having the teenage Ninja Turtles reinventing their story where they're aliens.
And I don't know how they could think people would get excited because so
what, there's alien movies like crazy. That's not a very creative idea whatsoever.
I'm refraining from getting worked up about. I'm getting worked out because we
don't we don't know the full story yet. I think they're going to work
it in come on to where it doesn't doesn't disrupt the original story. It
just provides a little extra information. Now, if they still mutate their mutated
aliens, that'd be kind of cool, but that's I don't think they're going
to go there because they're kind of mini godzillas. That's what Godzilla was was
like he was a mutated from the nuclear waste. There are so many ways
you could do it. You know, It's possible that Master Splinter or or
someone else Shredder could have brought back this toxic ooze from some different planet and
lost a canister of the ooze and the sewer. But there's they're aliens,
so they're not from the planet, so it would have had to have been
an alien sewer. And they don't you know that they are aliens. They
have arestrial origin. They're aliens. He said, they're aliens. He doesn't
necessarily know. Maybe not. He was trying to excite the kids. It
was at this children's event with Nickelodeon. Oh that's not very original, dude,
No it's not, and it's not a story that needs reinventing. But
yeah, anyway, you're you're right. It's it's over the top, just
trying to make an extraterrestrial movie when every movie is already an extraterrestrial movie.
So yep, whatever, Well, Alejandro, your favorite ufo is back.
You know that triangle shaped ufo known as the Dudley Dorito. It was spotted
again in Yorkshire, North of England on Monday March twenty sixth and was recorded
on video and again. According to the Sun, the sighting marks the fourth
appearance of the Dudley Dorito in five years. And I'm sure we've mentioned all
four of those, possibly even more. It's my personal opinion that every single
one of these Dudley Dorito videos I've seen looks so cheesy pun intended that pun
was quite intended. They just look goofy to me. Yeah, Like,
I mean, I understand that it could possibly be the TR three V or
whatever that triangle craft is, but this Dudley Dorito, and I think it's
the reason they call it the Dudley Dorito is you always see it like flying
on its side or at an angle or something. It's supposed to be the
bottom of the craft, but you always see it with the camera kind of
an odd perspective. So what's your thought on the Dudley Doiredo? Yeah,
I don't know. Of course, there are interesting triangular UFO for local videos
out there, but yeah, a lot of the ones recently haven't i'd been
that impressive either, I don't think or and it's so difficult to see,
especially on little videos with YouTube, so it's really hard to say on these
things. But uh no, real super duper ones. Yeah, that will
be the super Dorito, Yeah, super Dorito. Of course it could be
all a publicity stunt or the new Dorrito Tacos at Taco Bell, which now
we're advertising for free and for me, dorrito's are a very overpowering taste,
so to have it as a taco that's like wow, that's sensory overload.
For our friends in the UK. I don't know the answer to this,
but do they have taco bell in the UK? Yeah, that's a good
question. You know someone in the chat, I'm sure there you get k
people in the chat. Let us know. Well, let's get into a
real sighting here. So a twelve year old girl recorded video of a UFO
above her home in Penfield, Ohio. That's approximately forty miles southwest of Cleveland
and I was on Thursday, March twenty second. The aerial object appeared during
the day and when the girl noticed the UFO, she recorded a forty three
second video of it hovering in the sky. The object appears to be long
and silver and looks almost metallic when reflecting the sun's rays. This UFO has
a very shark like appearance, making it a very peculiar flying object. According
to the local ABC affiliate. Local police couldn't identify it, so they contacted
Homeland Security for assistance with identifying the object. That seems like a pretty drastic
jump there just go straight to Homeland Security. But there's a possibility that the
object was simply a Toyer balloon based on its shark like appearance. Shark shaped
remote control airplanes and balloons are sold by a few toy manufacturers. An RC
plane can be ruled out in this case because of the movement. The object
is basically floating. It's not flying or doing things that these shark airplanes do.
I'm sure you've seen video some of these shark air Shark airplanes are really
cool, but the shark balloons, yeah, have just come out, more
so because they were in the video. There's a popular gift of a shark
balloon floating and behind a cat and scaring this cat and it's this correct hilarious
radio. I love it. But that thing went viral and they sold out
of these things because I went to the website and I'm like, I got
a what is and uh, But they just got a new shipment in and
people have been buying them like crazy. So possible. Well, it was
my my opinion that, you know, the balloon was the likely identification for
this thing. William Mark Corporation is a company that sells a product called air
swimmers and that's probably a company going to a remote controlled helium field balloons and
a flying shark is one of the available models. And while the manufacturer clearly
states the product is only for indoor use, it is a pretty It's a
pretty easy guest to say that people don't always follow directions, especially manufactured Direct'm
sure they get loose. Oh yeah, And sometimes a warning like that is
just encouragement. Yeah, what will happen? Come on, and what they
realize is there's no control to make it go down and come back to the
ground, right, It'll get away from you and there you go, and
you're remote is not going to be able to pull it down, I would
range. And coincidentally, I thought this was interesting that same company they used
to make a product called my Mysterious UFO. Oh really, this little controlled
UFO? Oh okay, interesting? And I just found this out today that
after some investigating, the Sheriff's office determined that the UFO was in fact a
remote controlled shark. The girl who shot the video of the object doesn't agree
with the police, though, and this is exactly what we were just talking
about, Alejandro. She claims the object she shot she saw when she was
shooting the video was as big as a semi while the remote controlled sharks are
only approximately five feet long. So she says, no way, was this
thing this little shark balloon? Oh really, well that is interesting. That's
the hard part because you have the witness testimony and is a witness just mistaken
or is the witness not mistaken and something extraordinary took place. The witness is
only twelve years old, but I do know some sharp twelve year old so
I will not, Maureen put a link to the video on our chat,
so people will have to hilarious gifts dot com. Cat attack by shark balloon.
That's what it's called. It's not hilarious, that's said, poor cat.
It's not a real shark. It's the air swimmer balloon. It's a
real cat, and it's real fear. The video is hilarious just because there's
a cat and then it pants back, and it's shocking the first time you
see because you see this shark behind the cat and it's like swimming. Oh
it's funny, you're mean, it's not really eating the cat. Jason,
all right, but so the police do think that it was a shark balloon
that got away, and if you watch watch the original video, it does
look like a shark. I mean, that's what it looks like. And
you watch video of these air swimmer sharks, that's exactly what it looks like.
So it's quite possible and quite probable that one did get away, and
also from the ground, and depending on how far away this was, it's
difficult to tell size and distance when you're on the ground looking at an object
in the sky. So so another possibility though, is that somehow this air
swimmer got a sophisticated artificial intelligence put into it and it is out there,
self aware, swimming around in the sky, creating havoc and up to its
own oup to no good. All right, Michael Bay, you need to
calm down, all right. Here's another sighting. On March twenty fourth,
Burbank, Washington resident Mike Klugg saw what he described as a slow moving orb
with a bright, reddish orange light inside it. Having never witnessed anything like
it, he grabbed his camera and recorded video of the strange object. His
house is directly under the flight path of the nearby airport, so Klug says
he is familiar with the appearance of airport traffic, but this orb did not
behave like anything he had seen before. He estimated that the object was quote
no more than fight one hundred feet off the ground and was moving at fifteen
miles an hour east towards Walla Walla. Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting
Center in Washington reportedly reviewed Club's video, but according to the Tri City Herald,
Davenport dismissed the orb as simply serious, also known as the dog Stars.
He serious based on the object's position in the sky, and I don't
know, it's tough reading just by written word what actually took place here.
But to me, it seemed like Davenport was too quick to dismiss the video
and didn't listen to the backstory to this guy and why he his witness testimony
should count more count He even posted additional video or took additional video from days
prior to this event of anther weird object in the sky, but he was
able to identify it that the individual in Washington, Club was able to identify
it himself as an ultra light. So he'd seen ultra lights, i'sen helicopters,
airplanes, he observed these things in the sky and living by an airport
saw weird stuff all the time, so Devinport quickly assumed that it was probably
serious. And that doesn't make any sense to me based on witness testimony.
Because the guy described this thing being five hundred feet off the ground. It's
difficult to tell altitude again, so who knows about that, But he described
the object as moving, well, it sounds to me, I mean,
just from listening exactly like a a trainee lantern of course, which we've flown
around because they have a little light in the middle, and moving slowly.
Fifteen miles per hour would probably be about right, depending on the cuss.
But yeah, serious doesn't seem to make sense. Another reason why is that
Jupiter is out there extremely bright, not too far from Serious. Right next
to Jupiter is Venus, which is out there, which is extremely bright.
They're very near each other right now. If you go, especially right at
dusk after dusk, when it gets stark, you're gonna see them up in
the sky really bright. And then a couple hours after dusk, Saturn is
coming up, and Saturn is as bright as Serious is right now, and
those are all well, not so much Jupiter, but especially Venus and Saturn
are different colors or than the regular stars, where a star isn't going to
really appear to be orange or reddish. So Serious really doesn't make any sense
except for maybe the direction he was looking. But Serious is gonna move so
slow, it's not gonna look like it's moving, no fifteen miles an hour.
In fact, you're not gonna be able to know it's moving unless you
sit there and watch fresh up an hour put your telescope on it. So
so that one is a hard one. Yeah, I've been looking up at
the sky a lot lately, and I got some really cool video actually of
Saturn with my telescope, but where I can actually see the rings. So
that was really exciting something at school this week. But so you know,
that doesn't really Serious is not the most exciting thing in the sky right now
by far Jupiter and Venus and Mars. Is the other one that you can
see right now in the sky, which is red. I mean, that
would be a little more plausible. So yeah, I don't know that I'm
buying the serious thing, but sounds like, yeah, this might be who
knows, Especially that's what people buy airports and in urban areas, I think
is really interesting. They are more savvy because they're seeing lights in the sky
all the time. You know, they're seeing planes, they're seeing helicopters on
a regular base, so they know what that stuff is. So when you
see something that's out of the ordinary, yeah, it definitely catches your attention.
Yeah, and it probably isn't something that isn't ordinary, even if it
is mundane. Not, I will say in Peter Davenport's defense, you know,
I know the guy was be completely inundated. Oh yeah, he's one
man videos all the time. He's one guy who gets as many videos or
reports almost just move on. Not he used to get more reports to move
on, right, And and I do know, and it's an unfortunate thing
that happens. But you know, after being flooded for a while with with
stuff, you become quite cynical. Ye look at us, and you know,
I mean you look at something, you're all, eh, Chinese lantern
star. So I mean he was recently interviewed by the Tri City Herald and
he said, we look at many, many, many photographs and videos in
ninety nine point percent of them are not UFO. And he said most of
them are photographic hogwash. Oh jeez, that's a little strong. But it
is disenheartening because you know, as we know, and we talk on the
show all the time about these videos, we get hate letters saying I can't
believe it. DA that's on a UFO. But I mean, it's not
that we're looking to debunk everything, certainly not. We're looking for the truth
to try and find out, you know, something that is incontrovertible and so
we can truly understand the nature. But when you get these things that you
gotta you know that there is an explanation for it. You gotta say.
So you can't just kind of believe what you want when evidence points otherwise,
you lose your credibility. And especially with us, and we both feel this
way. We're certainly not the end all be all. Our opinions are solely
our thing. With most of the evidence that we have that is available with
the majority of these sightings, it can be interpreted so many ways. And
I certainly and I know you feel the way. We we appreciate as our
opinions. Absolutely, I have people have love and I search out other opinions.
Yeah, you know, I just I My opinions are based off of
what I see on a daily basis and what I've encountered with other sightings,
with other similar evidence and in my own personal testing and things like that that
we do, you know, that's all we can do. We can take
what we've encountered in the past and use that, apply that towards the current
piece of evidence in front of us, and make our best assumption. But
it's an a function. But we and we do our due diligence around you
know, launching balloons and seeing what they look like, you know, spending
time skywatching, filming flares and things like that, so we can give ourselves
a little bit more of an educated opinion. Because again it's it's the the
personal experience. It's seeing something for yourself firsthand. You know. I watch
videos and have people say this is what this was, or look at this,
this is you know, bugs in the camera lens. But until I
go out and do those tests for myself and see, wow, that's actually
plausible, you know, I don't believe it. So I understand that,
and I think it's important for us to do those tests to be able to
find that out, so we can make you know, cohurent arguments and based
on something rather than just talking out our behinds. That's right, don't panic.
But one thing that I disagree with Peter Davenport. He also said this,
He said, virtually everything that is published in newspapers about UFOs are not
worth the time it takes to read. If it makes it into the newspaper,
it's probably not a real case. And again I think that's pretty harsh.
I mean, more and more we are seeing more articles about UFO sightings,
and but I guess more than sightings, we see articles about researchers,
about events things like that. I know there's lots of talk about lots of
articles about professors doing research into extradustrial life. Also, I mean when Leslie
Kyne's book came out, there was a a lot of positive press that was
printed in newspapers and digging more into the backstories that the smaller stories, and
certainly here in Phoenix there was some good coverage and additional stories on Phoenix City
Council, on Francis Barwood and talking about Governor Fife Symington, people who witness
the Phoenix Lights, and talking about how there is the lack of an official
organization to investigate UFOs. Well, if he's talking about videos, I would
kind of have to agree with him. I wouldn't say not worth reading because
they are worse reading. But they do, especially the Sun like we've been
criticizing and others, they pick up and sensationalize these things when they're obviously not.
Something excited recently in Phoenix and it made national news there was a V
shaped blue lights flying around that looked like a kite. Was most likely a
kite, but you know, the media picked it up and made a big
deal out of this UFO and then of course move On does the research and
finds out it is a kite with LEDs. So they do pick up on
some stories to sensationalize, even if sometimes they aren't something that you know will
turn out to be truly unknown. But still a lot of times these guys
are just trying to figure out themselves or not. You know, they get
a video from a citizen who's very excited about what they filmed, and they
give them a respect and often do this in a respectful way, show the
film and talk about, well, I'll look at this mystery, I wonder
what that is later to find out maybe sometimes it's a narsy plane or something.
So often these these ones, these videos that show up in the news
turn out to be something when they but not always well. And I guess
it's probably more important for me as a researcher and and a UFO news reporter
to pay attention to the articles. Yeah, are publishing the paper for for
the main reason of just observing how these things are being covered by the mainstream
media, seeing how that changes over time, and you know, seeing what
information they're putting out, what what and what they're doing in the in the
particular cases, because that that helps too to see how serious they're taking it,
you know, if they if they contacted the FAA in certain cases.
And I mean there there are things that I find interesting. Is somebody who
follows this, But but for you know, just someone else looking to find
information about a UFO siding, I guess it's probably true. And in most
of the cases, there's not really good information in a lot of the stories,
so it might not be worth reading. But but yeah, stories that
aren't related to videos are often very good, like you're talking to about,
like the Congress with stuff that we had. The coverage we got for the
Congress was very good, I think this year, but you know, still
one of the best videos. I think in one of the best stories personally
UFO stories to come out, which never didn't really make that big of a
buzz nationally or outside of local though we talked about. Is that Tucson sighting.
Remember when that Tucson reporter saw during the day this blue dot blue light
up in the sky and he filmed it, and that has never we've never
gotten an answer for that. Nobody knows what That is highly credible, I
think because it was this news cameraman who was filming it, you know,
and he saw it while they were on the job. I think that's one
of the most mysterious. That's a great video. I do too, And
you're right that one didn't get very much attention, but that was that was
definitely one of the most bizarre sighting daylight sighting. What the heck is that?
Yeah? You know, well, Alejandra, I want to talk now
about another mysterious fighting. So an interesting video was brought to my attention on
Friday actually by our good friend and Huffington Post journalist Lespieagle. The video was
recorded by a tourist from Ohio and it shows a massive, small orb UFOs
above Las Vegas on the night of Wednesday, March twenty first. Coincidentally,
Lee and I were actually in Las Vegas on the night of March twenty first,
and if we would have been outside on the strip instead of enjoying the
buffet together, we might have seen this. Actually, but the video shows
sale. It's not my fault. Lee was hungry. The video shows is
approximately seven and a half minutes of mysterious illuminated orbs swirling in and around the
looks or skybeam above the Looks are Las Vegas. The Las Vegas Sun describes
quote several bright spots of light can be seen rotating in a fixed pattern high
above the strip near the Lookser's famous beam of light. The exact time of
the event is unknown, but when you listen to the video, you can
hear the man's the witness's wife or girlfriend or a woman he's with, continually
nagging him, saying, come on, we've got to go. We've got
tickets, let's go. We're gonna miss the show. Oh, as a
comedian George Wallace. Yeah, so they had to Wallace and she kept saying
we're gonna be late, and the guys all forget George Wallace. This is
better than George Wallace. She's all, well, maybe, but it's not
better than one hundred and ten bucks. Yeah, So what I did was
I went George Wallace performs at the Flamingo showrooms. I went on the Flamingo's
website and found out what his showtimes are and he forms at ten pm.
So we're exciting. It must have occurred sometime just before ten pm. So
the Witness uploaded his video to his YouTube channel, which he titled UFOs with
the UFOs are very real And as is the case with a lot of these
more interesting UFO videos, the channel was created specifically for this video. There's
only this one video on the channel, which sometimes is a red flag,
not necessarily in this case, but so with this video. He added the
description that says the event I captured in this video changed my life forever.
Pretty powerful. But not everyone is convinced that the objects in the video merit
such awe. Some suggest that the objects in the video are simply bats or
birds flying around into the beam of light. One YouTube user commented, Dude,
I work at Mandalay Bay, which is right next door to the looks
or they are bats and birds that eat the bugs that are attracted to the
bright light and the beam coming from the lukxer. It happens almost every night
in the spring and summer, and I have seen it ever since the light
has been on. It's not a UFO, of course, it's not a
UFO. It's many UFOs. Totally dude. But at the Las Vegas Sound
reports that two other videos posted by separate people were uploaded to YouTube on March
twenty second, possibly showing the same event but from different angles. The object
in the video are only visible when illuminated by the powerful light beam from the
luxor, and this my opinion is that that, paired with the sort of
gliding motion of the objects, it certainly makes the theory of bats or birds
plausible. But again, with the limited detail provided by the video, it's
impossible to make a positive identification. But looking at these things swirling only around
the light and kind of going into the light, and all staying in the
same area and only being illuminated when they're close to the light, it doesn't
seem like a flying craft of any sort, and it certain makes sense that
it would be a batch and you can imagine that I like to call it
a buffet of bugs that's light beam. So you know, bats come to
Vegas for the buffet too. It's all right, and I feel back to
the guy who took the video is going to be really mad at it if
he ever hears his saying this, because he's definitely unhappy with the theory of
birds and bats. But you know, he was quite a distance away.
He was down the street, you know, halfway down the strip practically when
he's filming this thing, so you could definitely see the beam. He's not
denying it's a beam. So either very small orbs or attracted to the light
as a luxe or or yeah, these things are definitely being lit up by
the beam of light. They're only just above the beam. There's a lot
of them, granted, and they're moving in a circular formation. But I
living, you know, being someone who's camped and lived in the Southwest,
at least in New Mexico and Colorado, I've seen this sports. I've been
to Carlsbad where you see for half an hour, huge, like you know,
groups of bats coming out and in a circular formation like that. You
know, they fly around like a tornado. But I've also been in Colorado
where you know, you kind of hear them or something, and you flash
your flashlight up and there's just tons of them right above you. You don't
even know they're there until you flash your flashlight up and you see them swirling
around like that and catching bugs and stuff. So I think it was at
the right place at the right time where just a bunch of them came in.
And they do that in the desert, you know, they come in,
they feed, and then they go back to their cave wherever their cave
is. And so he was at the right place at the right time and
caught them. You know, they're, like you said, having a smorgas
sport there like jackpot. And unfortunately, that's really I'm sure, And if
we were able to look closer at the video, we'd probably be able to
see that for sure. There are some other videos. This isn't the first
guy to be fooled. I saw one other, at least one other where
it's very clearly birds because he's right next door to the luxer and you can
see the wings flapping. But this guy was not convinced. He's like,
no, those are UFOs attracted to the light of the luxer flying through.
But if you watch a video. You can see their birds. He could
have been goofing around or something, so he doesn't seem like the first to
be tricked. But unfortunately, you know, whatever is, it's lit by
the light and it's a great video to watch. You should watch it.
Yeah, there are tons of these. I watched it on my phone and
I couldn't see the light from the luxer, so I was really for it.
I'm like, wow, I watched it on the small screen first as
well. On it just looks incredible because you see all of these white dots
kind of moving around the sky and it looks incredible. But on alt screen
you can you know, see them moving around the beam from the luxor.
Yeah, but you know, I'm going to Vegas a couple of times this
month, so I if I get a chance, I'm hoping to pick my
camera out and shoot up towards the lux or and see if I see anything.
Not that the bats are always feasting, but you know, if I
happen to catch that, you know, and get a good shot, then
I can determine more and compare the videos. But you're going out to Vegas
a lot lately, are you like a you know, do you stand in
for some of these showgirls or something. Do you have a site job of
I have many professions. And because i'm a secret agent and I work at
Area fifty one, I have my secret jobs at the casinos. Yes,
Oh, we got to get to that Area fifty one to stuff. Oh,
we'll get to Area fifty one. It's just a little bit all right.
Now, we can actually talk about it now if you want. Are
you at the more news stories, Well that's that's the next story that I'd
like to talk about. Oh. So, as I just mentioned, I
was in Vegas and I was with my with our good buddy LESE. Bigel,
and we were both out there for the wasn't the official opening. It
was a media event to announce the opening, which I think today was the
opening. Oh really, maybe it was, I don't remember. But the
National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas just opened an Area fifty one exhibit,
and so they had a press a press event where they invited us out and
they had a nice little press conference. But more importantly, they let us
walk through the exhibit. And the thing I enjoyed most about walking through this
exhibit. And I'll get to the exhibit in a minute, but was the
ability to talk to the people behind the exhibit, the curator there, that
the person who runs the museum, and get their take on it, and
and really find out what their objective was with this exhibit and why they decided
to open an Area fifty one exhibit. First of all, I was most
surprised by the attention that the exhibit gives to the UFOs and extraterrestrials. Yeah.
You wouldn't think so I had the National Atomic Museum. You know,
you think that'd be all about the science and stuff, but well, so,
yeah, this is the the National Atomic Testing Museum. It's it's a
fairly new museum. I think it just opened in two thousand and five,
so it's it's pretty new, and it's really nice. You know. When
I was coming up to the place, I was expecting to you know,
a lot of Vegas is kind of old and run down, so I was
expecting this National Atomic Testing Museum to be crammed in some nasty warehouse next to
or sandwich between some nasty strip clubs. But the building is brand new.
Basically everything is nasty, clean and shiny. I saw nothing nasty about it.
No strippers. Well, the media event did have some free alcohol.
So there there were men in black there and one of the man, one
of the men in black, accidentally dumped his drink on the floor. Oh
really, and these drinks, I forget what they called them, but they
were this toxic green. So there was this toxic green sludge all over the
floor. He got it on his suite too. I felt bad for him.
He was a really nice guy actually, So was he just some media
person or was he someone that they with the museum who had they they had
dressed like that. The museum had had men in black on staff. They
also had an ugly extraterrestrial too. They seem to be buddies though good but
they both worked at the museum. So but you know, it was something
like that. And I know some people would be turned off by the fact
that they have that, and I think that's that's a regular part of the
museum they're going to have. And and you know, when I walked in,
they definitely had inflatable extraterrestrials balloons there in front of the exhibit, and
so I could tell that they were definitely playing up to that audience and that's
what they want, and it makes sense, but you know when you get
into the exhibit and see just just how much they're pushing or not pushing,
but you know, featuring UFOs and not just UFOs but the search for extraterrestrial
life. You know, they have an installation they're talking about SETI, about
Seth Shostak, about the efforts of the Seti Institute. They have things talking
about various NASA initiatives, you know, the it's It's it that that definitely
caught me by surprise. I wasn't expecting that at all because what does that
have to do with Area fifty one. So I think they definitely took liberties
wherever they could to try to put this stuff in there, you know,
because they really it seems to me that they want to raise public awareness about
the reality of UFOs and extraterrestrials. Well, what was the UFO type of
stuff they had there? I mean was it actual research like was it Bob
Lazaar stuff or was it Roswell's stuff. So they definitely have that, you
know, that is an aspect of the exhibit. And you know they have
little Roswell stuff here and there, even even in the decor. You know,
they've got like kind of silvery memory metal hanging from the walls and stuff
like that. But they also have a little installation about George Knapp, who
is based in Las Vegas, so he was able to work with them on
the exhibit. Actually, and this is probably for our listeners and for people
interested in UFOs in general. It's probably the highlight of this exhibit. It
pretty incredible. Is a piece or samples from an alleged crash UFO in Russia
that is known as the Russian Roswell that occurred I think in nineteen eighty six,
and George Knapp went over and investigated that and he smuggles back samples with
him and those samples have been tested by quite a few people. And what's
interesting is is at the museum they have this on display with I think some
of the test results too, and this is provided by George Napp to the
museum, and at the exhibit they have it displayed or labeled as authentic alien
artifact. And you know, I think they're trying to be tongue of cheek
with that, but it's not. You know, they don't say just kidding
or anything on the sign. That's how it's displayed. I didn't point this
out earlier. But this National Atomic Testing Museum is affiliated with the Smithsonian.
It is a Smithsonian museum. So that's a pretty pretty bold claim to make
the Smithsonian Museum to say that this is an authentic alien artist. Yeah,
this is a serious museum. I'm sure everything else in there is real,
you know, NASA or so right, there's a lot of NASA stuff.
There's certainly stuffy stuff from you know that actually you know that that we know
it has been disclosed that that took place at Area fifty one, like like
the oxcard program, the development of the AH twelve that became the s R
seventy one Blackbird, you know, and they have models of those planes on
there. The models are pretty cool because they're like this big, but you
know, they definitely have that. But again, I think the majority of
the exhibit is about this UFO stuff and back to this authentic alien artifact.
It it's really cool and LEAs Bigel actually did a piece on this on the
Huffington Post pointing out some of the test results or some of the the statements
made by by people who tested this stuff, and what the samples are is
they're described as is very small, perfectly round and glassy spheres, and the
exhibit description explains that scientific tests on the UFO materials revealed strange behavior. This
is what it says. Three Soviet academic centers and eleven research institutes analyze the
objects from this UFO crash. The distance between atoms is different from ordinary iron.
Radar cannot be deflected or cannot be reflected from the material. Elements in
the material may disappear and nuons reappear after heating. One piece disappeared completely in
front of four witnesses. The core of this material is composed of a substance
with anti gravitational properties. Hotly, that's big time stuff. Yeah, that's
crazy, and it's on display in the area fifty one exhibit. Wow.
So I hope they have it under armed guard. Well, they've got the
extraterrestrial, they've got the men in black there. I think that's their security.
Oh yeah, but you know, and I think they're doing a good
shop. And again I mentioned this earlier, but back to the point of
you know that the men in black and you know, all this lightheartedness they
have with the exhibit. I know some people will be turned off by that,
but I think it's done in a tasteful way. This is an exhibit
and it's a very small museum and they're trying to attract people. And this
is Las Vegas. You know, people are going to be there with their
kids looking for something to do. This makes it a fun appealing thing to
do, so they come in, they get to see, you know,
the silly aliens and stuff. But I think it's a great, great way
and it's done in the right way to bring people in but still present the
serious side to it. And talking with the curator, Karen, she is
very much into the science of UFOs, and they're very much into generat or
increasing the public's interest and trying to get people to think about UFOs, the
science of UFOs and doing more research into it, finding out what these things
are and why isn't the government doing more to investigate UFOs or are they telling
us everything. I mean, they're definitely trying to peak the public's interest and
get people involved in the research of UFOs. Cool and that was my favorite
part of being there, is talking with the curator and talking with people and
hearing their personal views on it and hearing what they want to accomplish with the
exhibit. So after going there after talking with them and seeing what they have
to offer. You know, I wholehearted this report. What they're doing there
and even beyond the exhibit itself, what they're what they have lined up to
encourage people to come and check out the exhibit is they're going to have special
events throughout the year that involve special speakers to come in and get presentations at
the museum. Some of those include Seth Shostak from the Seti Institute, John
Alexander, and the one I'm I'm most interested in. So John Alexander is
going to talk about UFOs and I mean he believes they're really oh yeah,
oh yeah, absolutely nice. And and this is the one that I'm really
excited about, and I'm sure you will be too. But I don't know
about this too much about it yet because I don't I don't even know if
they have their speakers lined up. I'm sure they have some of them,
and I forget the exact title of it, but it's something like military men
who believe in UFOs. Wow. So that's going to be a great,
great presentation. Is going to have several people well, and I think that
one is sometime later in the year, like September or something like that.
But that's definitely something I want to go and check out. Very cool.
But they're they're I think they're doing the right things, and their hope is
that the exhibit will be well received and they'll be able to they have the
space available too. They're they're they're wanting to expand it and add more.
They've got more to add to this exhibit, but they're waiting to see how
well it does to then expand and possibly keep this as a permanent exhibit.
That's pretty cool, pretty exciting. And you said they were real nice and
they didn't treat you like a redheaded step child one because you've got the mohawk,
or because you are working for some UFO magazine. I think they assumed
I was with the C the CIA. Oh really yeah, wow, Well
I look pretty nice and I was asking all the right or wrong questions.
Uh oh, dun, dun, dun. So cool. That's pretty exciting.
Now they had a sort of speakers there, right, they did some
end. Did any of those guys talk about UFOs or were those just kind
of people I know there are some people who worked for Area fifty one,
right, Yeah, they're really nobody really talked about the UFOs. You know,
there was TD Barnes who worked at Area fifty one. He worked on
the Oxcart program, and LEAs Biegel, you know, was very good about
putting the questions to him, taking him to the task the right. So
yeah, he definitely pushed him and he said, well what about what about
the UFOs? And I mean he eventually wore him down, and you know,
he was being very cagy and and there were other other Area fifty one
guys there too, and they were they all had convenient answers, were dodging
the question and in not so creative ways. But eventually TD Barnes said,
well, sure, I guess anything's possible, but just sort of gave that
to non communic We'll say, oh, ox Cart, that's what created the
UFO craze because people were seeing are pre SR seventy one or type of technology.
But they'll also admit that, you know, their projects are secret and
they can't see the other projects. They don't work on the other projects,
so they don't know what else is going on. And I will say this,
T. D. Barnes is a very cool guy, and he's got
a lot to say and he's somebody that we should definitely talk to. He's
got a lot of information. But you know, I found some of their
answers to be conflicting with each other. They certainly were, you know,
I don't know if they were trying to dodge questions or you know, push
out answers that they had convinced themselves of. But you're right, you know
they've got these They say that, oh, you know what, we only
were told about the projects we were working on, and that's all we were
allowed to know. That thought we needed to know. We didn't know anything
else that was going on there. But then I would also say thirty seconds
later that, oh, yeah, well, if something would have been brought
on the base, we would have known. So well, wait a second,
you just said you didn't you were You weren't supposed to know, You
weren't told anything. You only knew what you had to know. So how
is it not possible that something was brought on the base that you did not
know about? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I've talked to a guy
I've told this story maybe I don't know on the air before, but a
guy who worked at Shriverer's Air Force Base, which is a top secret base
and they have lots of projects, and you know, there was a document
that came out that possibly there was some UFO research going on there, and
this engineer said, Oh, there's no way, you know. I work
there, I would know. And so I asked him, well, isn't
aren't all the projects there top secret? Yeah? Do you even know what
the guy next to you everything he's working on. And he thought about it
for a second, He's like no, So I said, wouldn't it be
possible if one of the things he was working on, or if you the
way someone was working on would be a UFO project and that you wouldn't know
because you're not supposed to. And that really turned on the light for him
because he is more open minded, and he thought, wow, yeah,
that is completely possible. So I guess I wouldn't have any idea, which
is the same case it seems here. Yeah, they wouldn't really know.
They're just not admitting to themselves they wouldn't know, but they wouldn't really know.
Right. One of the guys told a story of how you know,
when like carpenters or some workers were brought on the base that all of the
area fifty one workers were taken and sort of locked up in the mess hall.
Wow, because they in the story that he said the reason for that
was because they didn't want the workers coming on the base to interact with the
Area fifty one workers. But you could turn that around and say just as
easily, they didn't want the workers to see what was being brought on the
base. Yeah, you know, how do they know what was going on
if they were locked up in this room? So oh wow, Yeah,
that's interesting. And another interesting thing that was brought up during the conference.
Somebody, and I don't remember who asked the question, but somebody asked the
question of the panel well, asking about the Janet air Lines, the Janet
flights that supposedly take workers out to Area fifty one from Vegas, and nobody
seemed to know anything about Janet Airlines except that it was Janeit air Lines.
They didn't know it had any or they did. They wouldn't say there was
any connection between Area fifty one and they They remarked that when they worked there,
they were they were busted to Area fifty one. Interesting. Yeah,
But when I when I did leave Vegas, I thought too of the Janet
Airlines sitting out outside of their hangers. That's pretty cool. And that's the
first time you've been able to see them. Look, I've seen them.
I've seen them one other time. Oh you did, but yeah, one
other time at the airport. But this is every time I go there,
I look and try to try and I know generally where they're, where their
hanger is, where they're But this time two of the planes were just sitting
out there. Cool. Kind of waved at them. Do you get a
picture? No, no pictures, waved at them. He was turning take
off. Alejandro, your your electronics are supposed to be off right. Yeah.
That screwed me on the way in too, because Air Force one was
also with the airport, right, bummers, you didn't pull Alec Baldwin.
I'm going to you know, I keep missing out on these camera opportunities.
Yeah. Well guess what we're like pretty much out of time, buddy,
Yes, we are all right. Well, thank you so much for the
news you went over. So now we can't have our guests. Matt Damon
on I am more important than Matt Damon. Yeah, so sorry, Matt
Damon. We'll have you on another time sometime. He'll be our backup.
Yeah, but we are out of time. Thank you Jason McClelland for the
news. Then my pleasure, Alejandro, thank you. Did you have any
other closing statement? Alejandro for president? Yeah, now the big guy take
that one. Anyhow, Thanks so much for listening. Again. I want
to mention yet again because I'm so excited about it. Next week's guest who
is David Paris, and he is the one who works with doctor Jack Kasher
who Jason was referring to earlier. He's also a University of Nebraska professor and
he teaches all kinds of different disciplines astronomy and physics and all the cool stuff.
So this guy has a lot of degrees. Very smart guy. In
fact, hopefully I'll be able to understand all the technology that he's talking about.
Him going to be going over my head with a lot of this stuff.
But if you're science minded and into the science of this stuff, tune
in and hear why. You know, this professor believes in UFOs, he
believes that they're probably extraterrestrial and nature and the technology he believes that they're using,
and why he's so adamant about, you know, getting this information out
there. They even had their own little conference a few weeks ago where him
and Jack Casher presented some of this stuff and is and we also talk about,
which I think is cool, other paranormal phenomena, how it relates to
UFO phenomena scientifically, you know, the different types of energies and stuff that
are measured and devices that are used. Because he's also a ghost center,
him takes his students out and their student organization look at all kinds of different
paranormal phenomena. So it's going to be a great show. Thanks for listening.
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