WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:32.240 Welcome back to Raised by Giants Illuminated Insights Discussion. We are live. Welcome 2 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.359 everyone in the chat. Good to see you guys and any moderators out there. 3 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:40.280 We have a very amazing discussion for you guys today here with returning co 4 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:44.920 host Trey Hudson. But first a huge shout out to Gig for her support 5 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.560 on buying me a coffee. Thanks so much for your kindness and support of 6 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.799 the show. It means a lot to me and lets me to continue to 7 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.960 bring you guys better and better content like the discussion we're going to have here 8 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:59.119 today with former d D and Army Intelligence security specialist Trey Hudson. But a 9 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:04.200 reminder of this, superchants and superstickers are available and any superchant and supersticker will 10 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.599 be read out live during the show. And also big PayPal and buy me 11 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.680 a coffee links or in the description as well and are always appreciated. I 12 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:17.560 couldn't do this without you guys support. So now a huge welcome back to 13 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:21.879 the show. Former d D and US Army Military Intelligence, anti terrorism, 14 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:27.079 counterintelligence and security specialists recently retired Trey Hudson, Welcome back to the show. 15 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.879 It's good to see you brother. How's it going, Hey, everybody, 16 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:36.719 it's going great. It's kind of chilling out here in the living the dream 17 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:42.200 as a federal retire you know, growing those big retirement check. Life is 18 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:47.040 good. Life is good. Uh, you know, getting to kind of 19 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:52.079 refocus on, you know, some of the esoteric research that I've been doing 20 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.239 extracurriculars. So yeah, everything's great. Everything is really good. That's great. 21 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.079 I'm really happy to hear it. And so for a refresher, I 22 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.319 know that you've been on the show a couple of times, but for the 23 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:13.400 audience, what does a security specialist for the military do? Exactly right? 24 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:16.520 Right? The security specialist is is actually let me back up. I was 25 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:22.520 a army intelligence officer, you know, uniform wearing army guide for a while, 26 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.840 and then I transitioned over into the civilians sector, which is a federal 27 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.479 employee, you know, like your mailman, except our work for a Department 28 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.759 of Defense. And what a security specialist does is somebody that is responsible for 29 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:45.039 the administration of security practices, procedures, and elements to protect assets for information. 30 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.000 Now you have security specialist. When I first started my career, I 31 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.199 was what was called a physical security specialist, betweens. That was a guy 32 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:58.319 that protected widgets, where the widgets that I kind of oversaw and managed happened 33 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.560 to be a weapons of mass destruction. So you know, I had a 34 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:07.520 site I had about seven percent of our nation's chemical weapon stock pile. So 35 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:13.080 I was responsible for overseeing and managing the security for that. And then I 36 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.199 had a chance to get back to my roots and intelligence and transferred over into 37 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:23.039 what's called CP thirty five for intelligence. The previous career program was nineteen, 38 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.800 which was physical security and security, law enforcement security. That I moved over 39 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.360 to the intelligence side of security. My position was designated as a g G 40 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:39.919 general government position in the intelligence community, and I became responsible for protecting classified 41 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:46.560 material information assets, things like that. And then I retired as a supervisory 42 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:53.240 security specialist at one of our department offenses, Industrial organic industrial basis. A 43 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.280 lot of folks will know that d D has factories that build widgets and things, 44 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.800 and so I was the head of chiefest Security and Intelligence at this facility. 45 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:08.400 So I would do stuff like intelligence counter intelligence. We would let people 46 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.080 for their clearances. If people had problems, they would come to us. 47 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.560 That's actually something that's popped up here. Recently with mister Roush. You know, 48 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.360 the thing popped out saying, oh, you know he was he had 49 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.199 some mental health issues, how can he have a clearance? But absolutely, 50 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:27.480 people you know that have mental health issues can get treated and get cured and 51 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.800 regain their clearance. I mean, I've worked quite a few cases like that, 52 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.360 so it's it's not that big of a deal. So you know, 53 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:38.639 that's kind of what I did, you know, I worked. I have 54 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.040 to put a caveat there during the course of this discussion. I can neither 55 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:46.839 confirm or deny that I've ever been involved directly in any special access programs. 56 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.680 Take that for what it's worth. I can't confirm. I can't, Denny, 57 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.959 So I'll put that out there, so if people can read between the 58 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.800 lines, go back. However, because I have been to a lot of 59 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:03.879 schooling for security of special access programs. There's three levels of course is taught 60 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:09.680 by the Defense Counter Intelligence and Security Agency through their Center for the Development of 61 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.600 Security Excellence in elk Bridge, Maryland. So I've been to a lot of 62 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.720 courses on that, and so I have some experience and that kind of stuff. 63 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:21.000 So you basically it sounds really cool, sounds really sexy. Basically, 64 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.160 it's a bunch of paperwork and you know, trying to herd test. So 65 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:30.000 that's pretty much what a government security specialist does. So you're basically, we're 66 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.120 in charge of the classification process of certain documents cripts. No, that's and 67 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:39.360 that's that's it's kind of weird. And this is, you know, a 68 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:43.920 little bit of an education for everybody. Is the people that actually classify this 69 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.879 stuff is and I cannot remember the executive order off the top of my head. 70 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:54.439 Obama updated the executive order back when he was in office, but it's 71 00:05:54.439 --> 00:06:00.680 an executive order that actually creates the Information Security Program, the info SEC program, 72 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.600 which is develops the procedures and the criteria for classifying confidential, secret and 73 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:11.839 top secret information and sub elements like Special Access Program, Special Compartment of Information. 74 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.120 Is actually a presidential program created by executive order. So it's the president's 75 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:23.480 program. He owns all the information with classified and then he appoints certain positions 76 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:29.000 sub ordinate to him that have what's called OCA or original classification authority, and 77 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:33.800 these are men and women based on their position, that can look at some 78 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:39.160 information say I think that this needs to be classified. They have to communicate 79 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:45.079 those classification decisions and something called an SCG, a security classification guide, so 80 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.759 everybody knows how to protect this information. I'll give you an example. The 81 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:55.800 Central Sitcom Command or Central Command Commander that was over afghanistann Iraq. He had 82 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:01.839 Original Classification Authority OCA. He could say, okay, all plans involving the 83 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:09.560 moving of logistics, materials and weapons into theater into Afghanistan and intilrest that has 84 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:14.639 to be classified at the secret level. His staff publishes a security Classification Guy 85 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.959 that goes out to all the security wings in the world. And all we 86 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.399 do is we take that SCG and you know, we can determine if the 87 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:28.199 information that we have is classified and we can properly market. So what we're 88 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.959 doing is we're doing stuff we call derivative classification, where we're driving our authority 89 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:38.600 from the OCA down through the security classification guide. So what I would do 90 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.000 is we would have products that we would develop, like I might command of 91 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.720 my say, okay, Tray, I need to know, you know, 92 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.920 what's the intelligence threat to this particular widget that we're working on, And then 93 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:55.279 I would go out into the classified world and I would pull down different data 94 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.079 points and reports and all, and I would develop a point paper and then 95 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:03.000 I would take the guy from the security classification that cross walk to classification secret, 96 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.240 the secret, confidential, confidential, unclassified, and classified and build a 97 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.120 classified document and stam at the top and bottom, and they present that product 98 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:18.000 to whoever the consumer is. So there's different peers of authority. ACA through 99 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.759 the appointment of the president can actually look at a piece of information say you're, 100 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:28.040 based on my authority, knowledge and experience, that needs to be classified. 101 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.559 As long as they communicate that, then everything's cool. That's why, 102 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:39.679 you know the idea of a president disclosing classified information. The president doesn't disclose 103 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:45.000 classified information. It's his information. He can disclose at any time he wants, 104 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.399 just by saying I don't think that's classified anymore. A good example of 105 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:54.000 that is during the Carver administration, President Carter had a little bit of a 106 00:08:54.039 --> 00:09:01.120 bundle where he compromise the identity of some sensitive assets personnel that we're feeding information 107 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.960 to the US intelligence community. And people are like, well, you know 108 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.639 he you know he disclosed that information illegally. Well, you know, it 109 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.080 was really dumb, but it was his information to disclose. Now, people 110 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.080 probably ended up getting killed over that. But so anyway, it's it's a 111 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.240 really weird system. A lot of people don't understand how it worked, very 112 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.519 convoluted, and like I said, they have special schools, you know, 113 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:31.559 other than just for special access programs. They have collateral schools for providential, 114 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.360 secret and top secret that you go to when you spend several weeks in there 115 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:43.919 in Lithia, Maryland. Is there other classifications besides confidential, secret and top 116 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:48.120 secret? Because there's there's this thing within the community that you know, people 117 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:54.519 think that special access programs and that there's a level above top secret clearance and 118 00:09:54.559 --> 00:10:00.320 that it all has the revolves around these reverse engineering of crashed alien technolog oology 119 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.600 and all that. So could you comment on that really quick? There are 120 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:09.000 three levels of classification. Confidential by definition, is information if improperly disclosed, 121 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:15.120 would cause damage to the national security, Secret information, if improperly disclosed, 122 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.559 would cause serious damage to the national security, And top secret information if discloses 123 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:24.320 would cause seriously grave damage to the national security. There is no level higher 124 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:31.559 than top secret. However, there is compartmentalization. Now you might have a 125 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.080 program that involves whatever, let's say we're building a missile hypersonic missile that stealth 126 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:43.440 just speculating, I'm just making that up. Is that program, let's call 127 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.639 that rampant Orange. R is the code word for that program. You might 128 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:54.120 have information that's mark top secret slash rampant orange, and that means only people 129 00:10:54.159 --> 00:11:00.480 that are read into the rampant Orange program and have access to that compartmentalized information. 130 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.480 But that information is no more sensitive than top secret. So you'll never 131 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.840 see like rampant orange just as a header on a document. It would always 132 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.279 be top secret, rampant orange, secret, rampant orange, things like that. 133 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.279 There's only three levels confidential, secret, and top secret. There is 134 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.559 nothing above top secret. People, whenever I hear people use that term, 135 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.080 I want to pull my hair out. You might have. Yeah, there 136 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.720 were some, you know, compartments in both the SEI Special Department and Information 137 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.279 and Special Access programs that are code word programs, but never higher than top 138 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:39.240 secrets. Now, now, what would a program be classified under that has 139 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:48.279 been privately contracted out to private contractors like Raytheon and Bigelow Aerospace. Very good, 140 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:54.759 very good question. A really unique book that I encourage people to get 141 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.679 if they're even remotely interested in this. If I kind of peel fact that 142 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.399 the veneer on this and let you kind of peek into how the sausage is 143 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:07.360 made skin walkers at the Pentagon. It talks about how, through the work 144 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.120 of Senator Read and some other than Robert Bigelow, is they set up a 145 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.000 contract a classified contracted. Contracts are issued on something called a DD form two 146 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:22.879 five four and that creates a classified contract, tells you what level, and 147 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.519 then that goes into the saf arena. Is you will have a program security 148 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:31.840 office that the DoD official or a program security officer, and what that person 149 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:43.759 does they oversee how the contractor handles special Access information material and every SAP program 150 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.159 the information is processed or the widgets are manufactured and something called a SAP for 151 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.720 a special Access Program facility. And then you will have an individual that's either 152 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:58.840 a government SAP security officer GSSO or css a contractor SAP security officer has actually 153 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:05.279 an charge of the running of that special Access Program facility. If who comes 154 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.320 and goes, what information is brought in, how do they manufacture the widget 155 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.320 setting the people reading them into the programs, reading them out of the programs 156 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.480 when they leave. So the GSSO is the or CSSO is the person active 157 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:22.240 with boots on the ground making things happen to ensure the integrity of these programs 158 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:31.399 and classified contractor issued something called a cage code through the Defense count Intelligence and 159 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.360 Security Agency, and that's actually an ALP numeric code that people can go in 160 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:41.639 and verify that they are in fact contracted to do this information. But reading 161 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.679 the skin Walkers of the Pentagon, you're reading through it and looking at it, 162 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:46.639 I'm like, okay, yeah, they're getting all of this right. 163 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:52.039 It's this weird convoluted way that you set up a collateral program secret, top 164 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.879 secret, and then you compartmentalize a certain portion of it, set up a 165 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.919 sat up and go that route. So, in other words, being able 166 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:09.840 to take these special access programs through a private organization or a private group, 167 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:15.320 they would never have to come clean about any of these special access programs, 168 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.440 even if they were declassified or unclassified. Ah. Good point, very good 169 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.759 points. Here's from the caveats on that is, a person right into a 170 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.559 special access program, either own the government, government side of government worker or 171 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.279 contract worker, go through the same vetting process as anybody else. They sound 172 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.519 the same non discosure statements, and as long as that program is still valid 173 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.600 and the under Secretary of Defense has not done something called de establishment. As 174 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.240 long as it's still a valid program is you still are required by law to 175 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:56.399 protect the information that you've gathered during the course of your ten year working on 176 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.440 that program. You still have to protect it. Now, if a program 177 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:05.120 is de established and we talked about you know, our whether I say Rampant 178 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.519 Orange or whatever. Let's say that's de established as a special access program and 179 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.480 it's degraded to collateral secret, you still have to protect it a secret information. 180 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.120 You're just not compartmentalizing it anymore. Now, let's say years down the 181 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:24.799 road and I've seen this is these programs no longer have value to national security. 182 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:30.679 This information, if disclosed, would not damage national security. We're seeing 183 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:35.440 some stuff like during the Vietnam War that's not being declassified. Then what happens 184 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:41.000 is once as declassified, the original classification authority has to communicate that to everybody. 185 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.519 This information is now declassified, and it can be declassified down to something 186 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:52.960 called oh my mind has been completely blank CEUI controlled unclassified information which used to 187 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.440 be known as FOU or official use only, or completely unclassified, which means 188 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:03.120 it can be released to anybody anywhere. If information is considered unclassified, if 189 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.399 it's not classified or protected as controlled unclassified information by law, that information has 190 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:14.960 to be released to any request under the Freedom of information activitia Really quick, 191 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.799 Gig asked a question that she wanted you to go into a little bit more 192 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.279 about the Jimmy Carter League and where was it and if you had any of 193 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.799 the names of the people that he revealed the information about. Yeah, that's 194 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.559 a good that's a good question. I'm not quite as old as I look. 195 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.200 Somebody younger in the Carter administration. It was during a speech, and 196 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:38.919 I would have to go back and research, and I'm sorry, Gigi had 197 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.320 me off the top of my head. I don't remember the specific if it 198 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:48.320 was a speech to either a US or international group. And he alluded to 199 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.279 programs that we were using to click intelligence against foreign nations, and in the 200 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:59.600 part of the effort of doing that, he disclosed their identities. You know, 201 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.599 the information that he publicly put out here that the counterintelligence agency of these 202 00:17:03.599 --> 00:17:07.039 countries could narrow it down and figure out how this information is getting out. 203 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.960 So he should, you know, a good Google search sho should come up 204 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:18.160 with that firefly said, so the theoretical thirty five levels above the president are 205 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.599 BS. Yes, absolutely, a matter of fact, is such BS. 206 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.799 I can smell it through the screen. I mean it's it's like anything else 207 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.680 is secret, competential secret, of top secret, and that's it. And 208 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:38.359 the only person that has the authority to even create this information security program is 209 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:45.759 the president. Now does that mean there's not stuff that's going on sub rosa 210 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:51.519 that the president does not know about? Yes? Absolutely, there are nefarious 211 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:56.920 actors and Department of Defense and just about every governmental agency that are doing very 212 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.599 knotty things against the American public they shouldn't do. Now, if they set 213 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:07.079 up an unauthorized this is where this gets interesting. If they set up an 214 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:14.599 unauthorized program that's not being run under the auspice of the executive order, then 215 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.599 it's not a legitimate program. And now the president know about that and maybe 216 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.839 not. That's the thing about some of the disclosure stuff that's come out here 217 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:30.279 recently, and mister grosh is you know, he is alluding to something that 218 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.920 might be a program that's not being run properly and within the confines of federal 219 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.680 law. So I think that's kind of what that whistleblower thing might have been 220 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:44.680 about. Yeah, that was the only interesting thing about that entire congressional testimony 221 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:51.240 was the talk of a special access program, that it's above congressional oversight. 222 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.240 That's literally the only thing. But people have been talking about that for a 223 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.200 really long time. Trade people have been talking about these how these programs are 224 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.880 funded, that they're overcharging for certain programs. I'm funny lying that money into 225 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.160 some sort of other special access programs. So it's really nothing new, but 226 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.279 it was something that kind of slipped by that I piqued my interest within the 227 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.440 congressional testimony. The rest of it is a waste of time for me. 228 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.960 Yeah, it was, well, yeah, and I think you hit on 229 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:22.599 something that's very important, is you know, his testimony, And I was, 230 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.640 you know, I didn't get a chance to watch a testimony. I 231 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.160 think I was taking a nap, like as a retiree at the time. 232 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.599 But yeah, I read that. I read the transcripts and all, and 233 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.720 I'm like, okay, if I am, oh, okay, I was 234 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:45.319 an intelligence guy and I hear somebody talking about a program okay, And yeah, 235 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.680 there's there's talking side of the intelligence community, and sometimes people that aren't 236 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:52.799 read into programs, pick up bits and pieces, you know, indicators of 237 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.160 other stuff going on, and I thought that this program was being done illegally. 238 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:04.559 There are three types of SAPs in the world. There's acknowledged, there's 239 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:10.880 unacknowledged, and there's a wave. An acknowledge SAP is I'll give you an 240 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:18.160 example, the stealth technology on our current priory aircraft that's protective under a special 241 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.880 access program. The actual technology about how they put the composites together in all 242 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:27.000 of that, we acknowledge that that's protected as a special access program. We 243 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:32.359 don't talk about the code work, but that's an acknowledged SAP. And then 244 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.559 you have something called an earningcknowledged SAP, which we don't acknowledge. At the 245 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:40.000 public people that are working on these programs, if they travel to meetings and 246 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:48.400 symposiums, the supporting counterintelligence entity might give them alternate our ideas passports, driver's 247 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.000 license and stuff like this, so when they check into their hotel of the 248 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:56.119 conference, they're not who they say they are. Example, if we talked 249 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.200 about a hypersonic missile stealth missile, if you had to do that, an 250 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.839 expert on ramjet technology got another dude that's a expert on guidance systems, and 251 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:10.559 another dude that's an expert on stealth technology. All three of these guys were 252 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.559 meeting in the same small town outside of the Dugway Proving Ground, in the 253 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.920 same hotel. The intelligence operatives that are monitoring that would say, okay, 254 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:23.680 stealth ramjets, guidance system, they're working on a hypersonic missile. So you 255 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:30.039 would have these guys travel under assumed identities with legitimate paperwork but with different names, 256 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.160 so that would be an uninnowed set. Those are line items, and 257 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.920 then the d D budget classified for these are lineapps. When you get into 258 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.799 something called unacknowledged septs, it starts getting a little spooking. These are not 259 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:48.680 budget items, and these the budgets for these programs are siphoned out of other 260 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:53.240 programs or other budgets. But they do have congressional oversites. You have the 261 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:03.160 senior ranking and the ranking member of the Senate, the controlling party, the 262 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.319 non controlling party seeing you a member of the both the House and the Senate, 263 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.319 and then the two top folks in the both the Defense and the Intelligence 264 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:17.440 committees. So there is congressional oversight and they are read into these programs because 265 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:19.920 they have to be. I mean, that's that's the constitutional duty of Congress 266 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.599 is to control the first strengths, regardless of whether this stuff is classfied or 267 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:30.279 not. That's where I think that this whole thing got sideways, is I 268 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.960 think that there are indicators that there was a program being run that had to 269 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:38.119 do with UAPs. Now, how far in town the rabbit hole that program 270 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.359 goes, I don't know. I'm I'm probably the only former D O D 271 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.960 guy that can honestly that says I had nothing to do with UAPs, nothing, 272 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.480 nothing at all. You know, I'm not that guy out there, 273 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:53.200 you know, talking about my involvement. No, I was not not that 274 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.240 guy at all. But man, I believe you because you've been seeing that 275 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.559 since the beginning. So yeah, I don't think that you had any knowledge 276 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.000 of any of those programs. No, I don't. But you know what 277 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:08.440 I think happens is, you know, mister Grouse got possibly got wind of 278 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:19.359 a program that was not undergoing proper congressional oversight, and so using the Intelligence 279 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:26.880 Community Office of the Inspector General YG he was a whistleblower, said I wish 280 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.559 to report something for fraud, waste and abuse. Inside of every sat AS 281 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.920 Special Access Program facility, there's a big poster right next to the door that 282 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:38.640 says, if you suspect fraud, waste and abuse for this program, call 283 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.519 this number and an agent will return your call, and it will be an 284 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:47.720 agent that's read into the program that you're concerned about. So I think you 285 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.440 know the way he went about that is it seems legitimate to me. It 286 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:56.079 seems like if I was somebody that got wind of a program being one outside 287 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.119 of US code without proper congressional oversight, that's how I would go the whistle 288 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:06.480 on it, usually intelligence community against itself. Yeah, And that's not the 289 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.799 problem that I have with the whole situation. The problem that I have with 290 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:14.000 the situation is him claiming all the other things that he's claiming. Right, 291 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:19.440 He's claiming that the government has crash retrieval extraterrestrial craft and that body's come along 292 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.880 with that, but yet he's presenting zero proof, zero evidence for any of 293 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:27.440 that stuff. I would not have one problem in the world with his testimony. 294 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.759 If that's all he went up there and talked about, was this special 295 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:36.000 Access program that would be like you coming forward Trey when you came forward a 296 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:41.039 couple of years ago about the Meadow project and you just started making outlandish claims 297 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.880 with no supporting evidence to any of the things to back up what you're saying, 298 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.599 right, you would look like a wha I could do if you came 299 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.319 on when you were talking about, you know, seeing you ap out in 300 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.759 the meadow and the black cube and the portal and the people going through the 301 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.000 portal, if you didn't have the evidence to back up those statements, which 302 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.559 I do believe that you do because I've seen it and it's very interesting. 303 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.839 I can't tell you what it is. I don't even think you can tell 304 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.119 me what it is, even though you've experienced and you have it on video. 305 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:11.720 Right. The problem is that he's making all of these claims with zero 306 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:17.400 evidence, zero proof, and when he's asked about the evidence and the proof 307 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.319 and to reveal the names, and the d D cleared him to speak about 308 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:26.519 whatever he wanted to speak about, right, And there is a it's very 309 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.160 important to listen to what he's not saying. And like I said, it's 310 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:37.599 these layers upon layers and machinations and byzantine gyration. Is all he said is 311 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:48.799 he heard about a program that involved the retrieval of craft or pieces of craft 312 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:53.960 and biological material. Odds are he probably was never read into that program, 313 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.119 so he doesn't have any concrete information. He just made he heard it and 314 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:03.960 pass it. So, I mean, he claims that he says that he 315 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:11.640 got this old information and this testimony is based upon stories, stories that he's 316 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.359 heard other people tell him. But why would you go up there in front 317 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.359 of Congress and just say a bunch of stories. That means that you could 318 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.079 literally be anyone that person. You could be any You could be someone off 319 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.920 of the street that heard the stuff off of the Internet and goes up to 320 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.359 Congress and says that we got extraterrestrial craft with a bunch of bodies that we've 321 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:36.839 recovered. But he wasn't saying that, I think in an effort of disclosure. 322 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.880 He was saying that to piss Congress, all, to make Congress angry 323 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.599 that they were somebody was running programs they had no oversight over and get them 324 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:51.200 to do the investigation. And the person that cleared him to speak to Congress. 325 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:55.680 In my opinion, this is a guest probably wasn't read into the program 326 00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:00.319 themselves. It's like, uh, if I was going and I to do 327 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.400 this before I wrote my book, is I had to go to a release 328 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.799 authority and say, hey, I'm writing a book on you know, the 329 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:12.160 Metal project has nothing to do with my work. Here is extra curricular and 330 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.759 this, uh this authority said, yeah, no problem. So if he 331 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.079 goes forward and he said, hey, I'm going to be talking about craft 332 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.559 and biological material and all this wacky stuff, you know, the release authority 333 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.279 probably says, yeah, you're a nut job. Yeah, go ahead and 334 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.240 talk about it. That it's all a bunch of Boulder dead and the release 335 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.960 authority themselves might not have been read into the program, so they don't have 336 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.000 any authority or knowledge to put the brakes on it. It's all very crafty. 337 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.079 In my opinion. It's you know, he what he seems to be 338 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.799 doing, and I could be off base here, just he's looking at it 339 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:53.079 and the timeline of his activities. He's using the system against itself to force 340 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:02.119 disclosure. But that's enough. The problem, though, Trey, is that 341 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:10.279 even if this cond the special access program above Congressional Oversight, gets revealed, 342 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.559 does that prove the existence of all the rest of his claims? Does that 343 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.000 with that special Access program proved the existence of extraterrestrial craft. And it's another 344 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.160 interesting thing. He is the only one in this lineup of people that are 345 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:30.759 testifying Ryan Graves is their General Fraver or Captain Fraver. And they don't say 346 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:37.400 that it's extraterrestrials. Extraterrestrials or ets never once came out of their mouth. 347 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.920 The only person that's claiming that these craft retrievals, in these craft that these 348 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:48.960 people are seen is extraterrestrial is Grush, right, which I think was a 349 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:55.160 strategic move on Ryan Graves in and fravers in by not you know, denoting 350 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.279 the origin. Let me let me back up here. I don't think that 351 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.960 he actually said extraterrestrial, because he said that he didn't want to denote origin, 352 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.400 but non human non human, Yeah, yeah, non human or he 353 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.200 said, I think maybe non terrestrial. I'm trying to remember the terminology. 354 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:18.200 But you know, so, you know, here's my question is he always 355 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.400 have to wonder why, what, what's he getting out of this? You 356 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.960 know, he's had the fact that he had some psychological issues that apparently was 357 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:32.680 reported to his security manager, and he worked through and had his clearantryinstated. 358 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:38.000 You know, he's set himself up for ridicule. Why why you know, 359 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:44.240 either he's a nut, he's a liar, or he's a patriot. So 360 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.440 which one of those? You know, do people want him to be? 361 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.240 I don't know, you know, I'm kind of I have to kind of 362 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.279 take a look at the way he's going about doing this stuff, apply it 363 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.400 to my knowledge base, and say, if I was going to disclose or 364 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:06.200 force disclosure, how would I go if I do that while protecting myself, 365 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.079 You know, I would get that that top cover as a whistleblower, and 366 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:15.440 then I would make sure that I was publicly disclosing things that I had no 367 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.319 direct knowledge of. It give me some plausible to my ability. Oh well, 368 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.359 I'm not disclosing that program. I was never read into it. Show 369 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.920 me the nondisclosure statement of that program. But I signed. You're not going 370 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:33.559 to fight it because I'm not read into it. So it on certain levels 371 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.400 it passes the sniff test. Now the big you know, uh, you 372 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.920 know, in the Sanctum Sanctorium, the Holy of Holies, when you open 373 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.359 up the door and there's an integrat galactic Cadillac sitting in there, with you 374 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.000 know, you know, uh uh, you know, I can't remember that 375 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.799 the Martian from the Flintstones, but you know, waving at you. You 376 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.480 know, is that behind you know, the sealed door. I don't know, 377 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:02.880 but it's very interesting the way that this seasoned intelligence professional, there's a 378 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.000 veteran of the intelligence community, is going about doing this. Now. You 379 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.359 know, I can't speak to the veracity of anything that he said. I 380 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.680 do know how the system works, or parts of the system works, and 381 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.680 it seems like he's going through it in a very methodical and caught out a 382 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.119 way. So I guess I will tell certainly has people talking. Yeah, 383 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.400 I don't think that it's so much that he was a mental patient and he 384 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.559 was, you know, taken against his will to a mental hospital. It's 385 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:40.480 not so much that it's that he didn't disclose that information. That information had 386 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.839 to come out through a four year request to the Sheriff's department, right, 387 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.039 he didn't disclose that to Congress or anybody up front. And I think that 388 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.799 that's really what has screwed him on this whole thing. It's not disclosing it 389 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.880 up front, and then when people figure out that you're a mental patient, 390 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.279 that was locked up in a psych ward. Later on, after you've made 391 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.079 this testimony, then it kind of turns the tables just a little bit. 392 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.319 I disagree, and I'll tell you what. I was a dood security manager. 393 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.319 I dealt with that kind of stuff. And here's how that works is 394 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.519 there are thirteen factors. If anybody has really bored you to go to look 395 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:22.680 up add fifty two hundred point one R. That's the DoD regulation that talks 396 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.839 about personnel security, the vetting of people to give them access to cost by 397 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:31.319 information. There are thirteen factors that are considered PI or potentially derogatory information. 398 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.960 Mental health is one of them. Now that the operative word, and potentially 399 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:43.119 derogatory information is the p. Potentially derogatory information. I would have a person 400 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.880 with a clearance come to me or come to one of my subordinates as they're 401 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:53.319 servicing First SECT personnel security specialists, and say I have a problem the last 402 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:01.640 two weeks I was committed to a mental hospital. Cool, glad you disclosed 403 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.720 that you're required by law to disclose these things. I am going to suspend 404 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.559 your clearance. Okay, I'm going to suspend your access to classified information that 405 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.960 is now sent up to an organization. They used to be called DISC and 406 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.920 now it's the of it. They've changed I can't remember what they change the 407 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.720 name to it the Center for Background Information. They just change it when I 408 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.960 was getting out. But they will take that information and they will say, 409 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:35.799 Okay, Trey and your staff, any information that he has from his positions, 410 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.920 send that to us. We will adjudicate it. The adjudicators that make 411 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.920 these decisions for someone to keep or not keep their clearance long term has done 412 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.640 at a level much higher than me. They are completely unbiaed. They don't 413 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.279 even know these people. So we would take his medical records, we would 414 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:59.279 take his the statement from his psychiatrist saying, you know he had this associative 415 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.359 disorder. You know he's on medication. We're comfortable that he no longer poses 416 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.039 a threat to national security. He's lucid, and then we would send that 417 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:14.360 out by information up to the adjudicative For every disqualifying factor is a series of 418 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.280 adjudicative of mitigating standards. You know, did the person receive treatment, have 419 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.119 they been taking their medication, have they had any other outbreaks? And if 420 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:28.280 they can mitigate these factors, then they will send down a final determination give 421 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.039 mister Smith back access to class by information. Make sure he understands if anything 422 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:36.480 else, you know, comes comes about, he needs to report that through 423 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.480 the proper channels for his security manager can rock home. They're not in the 424 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.079 business of destroying people's careers. They're in the business of protecting national security. 425 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.199 Now, in his defense, what he might have said is, I had 426 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:53.719 a hard time. Yeah, doctors you ask if you can get a little 427 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.480 closer to the MIC. I guess they're having a hard time here in it. 428 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.840 Yeah, I should be coming through my hereby, but maybe this was 429 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:07.039 a little bit better. Uh, and so you know, what's that adjudicated 430 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.440 in his mind? Maybe that was uh, you know, everything was good 431 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:19.599 to go, Everything was was fine. Yeah, it's not even so much. 432 00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.639 Again, I don't from my personal standpoint, like I'm not involved with 433 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.880 it with any of this stuff. But just by reading the document that was 434 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:35.199 received by the four year request that he was hospitalized twice, once in two 435 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.239 thousand and fourteen and once in two thousand and eighteen due to suicidal tendencies and 436 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:46.119 uh, substance abuse problems. It's not that he retained his clearance because things 437 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:50.639 happen, like people have a rough time in a hard time a lot, 438 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.079 right. Uh. You know, people have depression episodes all the time, 439 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.880 you know, and it can be considered mental health cases. It's not that 440 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:05.920 he retained his security clearance again, it's that he wasn't up front about it 441 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:10.079 to the Congress and to the people that. I mean, he's classified as 442 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.639 a whistleblower. He's made the right classification and fold out the right paperwork to 443 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.760 be covered under the Whistleblower Act. Right, So, when you're a whistleblower 444 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:27.639 that's supposed to be revealing extraterrestrials or these U SAP programs that are running over 445 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:34.679 congressional oversight, then you would want to disclose anything that would be farmtly potential 446 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.679 to you in your career going through it. Yeah. I guarantee that the 447 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:45.480 OIG investigator received the whistleblower complaint and the congressional investigators that did the you know, 448 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.079 that did the effort to bet this guy knew about that that's in his 449 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.280 security pile, you know that. So I think I think the people that 450 00:36:54.360 --> 00:37:00.559 needed to know that knew it. And you know, it's of those things. 451 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.519 Do you want your dirty laundry to put out to the public A. 452 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.760 No, of course not. We're giving beings, you know, but I 453 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:12.199 yeah, I can have a little bit different. Yet, as a security 454 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.400 manager with a degree in psychology, I tend not to look at that as 455 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.400 too much of a stigma. If a person has been treated and is owning 456 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:23.000 their disorder. I also served in Afghanistan. Okay, that does something to 457 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:29.960 a first and so I'm not going to get too excited about that. Particular 458 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:36.360 things about the people that needed to know that illness, his treatment and subsequent 459 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:38.840 cure, knew about it, and they thought he was credible enough of a 460 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:43.599 witness to come forward to this hearing. You know, you can't. You 461 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:45.400 just don't walk up to the hearing, knock on the door and say, 462 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.480 hey, I'd like to come in and say something. These people are vetted. 463 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.119 So once again, you're taking the totality. It's kind of a gestalt. 464 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.440 You're looking at this the sum of the parts instead of the individual parts 465 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.800 themselves. Does that make him a credible witness? You know, talking to 466 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.360 the people that served it with him, you know, in the Air Force, 467 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.039 also served with him, in the International Geospatial Intelligence Agency, worked with 468 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:15.000 him in Afghanistan, I'll say that he was a very very astute, professional 469 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:22.280 member of the intelligence community. So why would this dude go off the rails, 470 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:30.880 especially with something that such a lightning rod topic as a extraterrestrial biological material 471 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:36.000 and pieces and parts of potential craft. You know, I just have to 472 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.880 ask myself, and I put on my analyst hat and say, Okay, 473 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.880 why, What's what's the reason? You know, what's the outcome? You 474 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.719 know what's the motivation? You know? And there are coops out there that 475 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.840 do it just for you deal with him a whole lot more than I do 476 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.360 that, just do it because they want to hear themselves. You know. 477 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:59.000 I was you know, I was a double X commander on Zata Articuli of 478 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.039 the Secret Space Sports. You know. You know President Reagan is not dead. 479 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.039 He's up there with hand the champion Zee from the Mercury Days. Yeah. 480 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.920 Man, I met brocko'bao on the moon. We had a top secret 481 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.079 missing and then I was adri Grass back twenty years at the very points that 482 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.519 I was taking. Didn't even know about it until now, you know, 483 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.719 I was. I was getting apped, you know, in New York and 484 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:23.280 taken to an eight level subtranean base. You know, under the Montak you 485 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.920 know, peninsula. Never mind the fact that the water table on that peninsula 486 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.960 is a whole lot higher than eight levels underground. So you know, yeah, 487 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.360 it's so, you know what, what's his reason for? This is 488 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:43.960 the problem? Though? He almost looks like those kinds of people though whenever 489 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.400 he says these kinds of things and doesn't have any evidence or proof to back 490 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.000 it up. Right, he's he's almost in the exact same camp as these 491 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:58.320 Secret Space Program super Soldier whistleblowers, right that that are experts on UFO. 492 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.360 Apparently this is the only community that you can all of a sudden just be 493 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:07.519 an expert on with absolutely no condentials, Right, I can I can just 494 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.599 say that I'm a expert on UFOs and then all of a sudden, I'm 495 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.320 an expert on UFOs, just like the Secret Space Program and the Super Soldier 496 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:19.800 whistleblowers. A self proclaimed that they were whistle blowing about advanced technology when a 497 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.800 lot of it's made up bullcrap nonsense, right, really quick, condog, 498 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.679 thanks so much for the ten dollars, super sticker. Brother, appreciate your 499 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.760 lot for your kindness of generosity and support of the show. Brother, Thanks 500 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.599 so much. But that's almost what he seems like, right, he's almost 501 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.599 he's teetering on that camp of what I could do nonsense and non why I 502 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.639 could do nonsense. Well, I think he's like, you know, old 503 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.239 Missus Peters that lives in the neighborhood, you know, and she sits on 504 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.440 the end of the street with her binoculars, and she called the cops and 505 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.400 says, you know, I don't know if they're drug dealing going on at 506 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.480 the house down the street, but this is what I saw. You might 507 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.639 want to look into it. I think he's missus years. I think he 508 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.639 saw something that might be kind of stinky and says, hey, you know, 509 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.119 Office of the Inspector General, Congress, you might want to look into 510 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.719 this. I wasn't right into that program, so I don't have any direct 511 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.840 official knowledge. This is what I heard, and it makes me think that 512 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.639 maybe it doesn't have proper oversight. So I think he's getting I think he's 513 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.639 getting Congress and the ICO I g to do his dirty work for him, 514 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:29.239 to do his leg work for him, while providing him with a degree of 515 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:34.920 pausible to an eyebility and cock cover. But does that that brings into the 516 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.039 whole question of what a whistle blower actually is. And you would know this 517 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:45.199 better than I would, because you're not You're not a whistle blower anything, 518 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:49.079 but you're you. You've worked for the deality and you've worked for Army intelligence, 519 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.960 and you would know what a whistle blower is. To me, a 520 00:41:52.199 --> 00:42:00.159 whistle blower, just me personally, has to have some sort of evidence to 521 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.440 be classified as a whistle blower. Can you be a whistle blower by just 522 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:08.760 having testimonial classified? Because that's what he says in the congressional hearing, is 523 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.559 that he heard this from classified testimony, right, Yeah, yeah, I 524 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.519 think so. And like I said, because we would have, you know, 525 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:24.760 the whistleblower hotline to the Intelligence Community OIG in these facilities and what they're 526 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:30.480 focusing on fraud, waste, and abuse. Okay, if you're defrauding the 527 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:35.760 government, if you're wasting money, or if you're using the program or the 528 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.280 way the programs are set up, you can call this number to the o 529 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.159 I G. And then of course there's another side of it that you've called 530 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.960 directly to a counter intelligence if you think this information is being improperly or legally 531 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:52.760 disclosed. So you know, he catches wind of a potential program that's being 532 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:59.840 operated without proper congressional oversight. He calls the OIG and he says, hey, 533 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:06.000 I heard about a program. You know, even though I'm not read 534 00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:13.320 into it that might be run outside of proper protections and criteria for a wave 535 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:19.760 SAP, you might want to look into it. Now that he's disclosed that, 536 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.199 and he's disclosed that he was on the periphery of this information, He's 537 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:31.639 given certain legal protections against reprisal, demotion, things like that, and you 538 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.320 know, I just think it's kind of odd that he comes out with this 539 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:42.360 as a whistleblower. You know. Now they were really quick to release some 540 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.320 of his medical information. I know when I would handle that kind of information 541 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:53.360 for people it wasn't violent. I couldn't discuss that with their neighbor. I 542 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:58.519 couldn't discuss that with their coworkers. I could discuss it with their direct supervisor, 543 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:05.480 my staff and Themander and also the Dispense Counter Intelligence and Security Agency, 544 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.360 the central adjudication facility of the CAT that actually does the adjudication of this. 545 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:17.199 And that's all. So, you know, is it a is it an 546 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.119 effort to discredit the man, I don't know. I just find the timing 547 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:28.360 on. Well, I don't know how much discrediting you would really need to 548 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:35.280 do if he had proof and evidence for his clean Yeah, yeah, he 549 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.800 wouldn't. He never he never said he was read into the program. What's 550 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:44.079 going to be interesting is getting somebody that was read into the program that is 551 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.519 willing to violate their nondisclosure group and to say, yes, you know I 552 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:51.760 was there. And I'll give you an example. Let's say I worked on 553 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:57.920 a program that was working on and folks, I'm not saying I was. 554 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:04.000 I'm using this as an example. But let's say non traditional propulsion methods that 555 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.960 we're not air breathing like a jet, we're not inertia, you know, 556 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:15.239 like a satellite. They were novel proposed propulsion technologies. Now, if I 557 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.960 said I worked on that program, how am I going to prove it? 558 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.599 You know, unless it's ever declassified and they say, okay, here's a 559 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.239 list of all the personnel that worked on this program, and there's my name. 560 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:37.000 I mean some of the stuff that I worked with years ago, you 561 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:43.400 know early, you know, when the Army I can't prove I've worked with 562 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.159 it. I mean, you can see that I was actually a branch qualified 563 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.039 Army intelligence officer. He usually you know, work with certain stuff. But 564 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.039 I have no proof of it be a Some of this stuff is still classified. 565 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:05.480 So until you know whoever is the the program security officer for this program, 566 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.039 if it does exist, this this extracrystial program, if and when he 567 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:14.519 or she ever decides that it needs to be de established and goes to the 568 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.719 Deputy under secret Theory of Defense, I think it's Deputy under sect of Sensor 569 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:21.280 Acquisition. I think the one that does that, I'd have to go back 570 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:28.320 and read the right and convinces them to decertify and declassic certify and de established 571 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.519 a SAT program and then declassify all the way up to the public police level. 572 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.280 We're never going to have evidence. I mean, do we have evidence 573 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:45.599 that stealth aircraft are actually stealthy? Well, I guess you would see. 574 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:51.679 I guess you can prove it in the form of if it actually happened, 575 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:57.239 or if it was ever you know, reported on, or if people have 576 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.119 seen it in the public right, you would be able to use that as 577 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:07.360 evidence. Let's say that a special access program that you know was ran within 578 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:15.920 the government was used to take away the potency of a crime lord or a 579 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.000 drug ging or a cartel's potency of their hobby plants. Right, and that 580 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.679 started global. Then you would see the evidence of it because it actually happened. 581 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.039 I'll give you something something that I actually on a periphery of something is 582 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:36.800 I don't know if anybody's ever read the book Killing Killing Papa, for Killing 583 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:44.440 Pablo Escobar is excellent. Book kind of gives a peek on how specialized intelligence 584 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:52.119 and special operations, especially with special Operations Forces Attachment Delta Delta Force operates back 585 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:58.000 then. And I knew a dude or Noah, dude that was a Delta 586 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:02.320 Force god and he said, and there is some corroboration, is that the 587 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:08.239 people that pulled the trigger on Pablo Escobar were actually Delta Force operators. Okay, 588 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.840 actually they were the guys that were supporting the Colombian military is what they 589 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:20.119 called the Search Block, and that you had a US Army asset through the 590 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:24.119 intelligence support activity that was doing signals intelligence, collecting cell phone data tied to 591 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:29.239 Pablo Escobar. And it was actually Delta Dudes operators that pulled the trigger. 592 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:35.679 And I've heard that from several corroborating sources in that in that world. Now, 593 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:42.599 can I prove that? No, I can't prove that. Even if 594 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.800 one of the dudes came forward and say, yep, I was a dude 595 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:50.840 that pulled the trigger on Pablo Escobar, They're never going to declassify that operation 596 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:59.400 because what it does is that it would compromise methodologies and operational methodologies that they 597 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.360 use on kind of operations. And it might also compromise the way some intelligence 598 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:09.679 was collected to make that make that intelligence actionable. So, you know, 599 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.559 here's the thing is what what does it take to prove that the moon landing 600 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:19.239 was real? I don't not heard it's real. You know, I was 601 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.679 a young child watching the limb land of the moon that I don't know. 602 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.159 We've also been told several times and several times through the community that it was 603 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.400 fake as well. It's just confusion, is just a huge thing of confusion, 604 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:36.519 right, And so you know, some people, you know, are 605 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.760 not going to believe that, you know, aliens and I hate that term. 606 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:44.519 I'm just going to call them others because we don't even know if they're 607 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.960 extraterrestrial, they might be interventional. Unless one comes up and fight too on 608 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.320 the butt, and what's it going to take? You know, I know 609 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.440 ghosts are real, I've encountered them. But until you've encountered one of yourself, 610 00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.719 you know, how do you know? You know you have? What 611 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:04.480 does take a defense? You? Ah? You know It's like people say, 612 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.199 some of the stuff that you said on your own research is a bunch 613 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.800 of boulder dash. Well, I mean, I've got a stack of affidavits, 614 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:16.519 I've got filmed of different events I believe it or not. The thing 615 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:22.559 that really gets me, tray, is that normally when people are talking about 616 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.280 something real, like if they're talking about if they have some sort of classified 617 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.119 information, right, if they have some sort of classified document, or they're 618 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:37.400 aware of a special access program or something that's top secret within the military or 619 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.840 within the government, they suffer some sort of repercussions for doing that. They 620 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:47.760 get prosecuted. Right. Doctor Morehouse from the Stargate project, he wrote the 621 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:53.079 book Psychic Warrior before the program was declassified, and he got into a lot 622 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:58.280 of trouble. He was prosecuted, right, Right, So that should be 623 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:05.800 a flag to see if people are actually have real classified information or not. 624 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:12.159 Depends on if they are actually getting into trouble legally for revealing classified information. 625 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.320 Well, see, that's where it gets a little weird is if you are 626 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:21.000 not read into that program, if you're not read into Rampant Orange and you 627 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.239 hear people talking about Rampant Orange and you release the information on that, I 628 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.679 can't come after you. You've got to sign a non disclosure agreement. You 629 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:35.800 have not violated law. It's only the people that have signed the non disclosure 630 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.599 statements that they can go after. Now there, you can't get in trouble 631 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:44.960 if the information is released and your approached by the appropriate government governmental entity and 632 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.800 say the information you have is classified, and then there's something called an inadvertent 633 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:54.280 disclosure agreement, and that's something that is and I've had to deal with these 634 00:51:54.280 --> 00:52:00.239 before. Somebody figure something out and they release that information for a person is 635 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.119 myself, and some agents would go to them and say, Blips, you 636 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:10.639 figured out that you know Rampant Orange is a hypersonic missile program. You're not 637 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.880 supposed to know that. We need you to sign here saying that you will 638 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:22.719 never talk about it again. And everybody goes home happy. But in doing 639 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.239 that, in approaching an individual with this intent, inadvertent disclosure statement is I'm 640 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.679 actually saying, yes, there really is something to this, and you know 641 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:36.119 about it. Another tack is to not even mention it, is to not 642 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.639 say anything about it now to draw attention to it. And there are ways 643 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:46.400 to I'm not going to call them disinformation programs, that they are ways to 644 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:52.400 take disclosures of information from these special access programs and have verdict. You know, 645 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:58.320 well, you didn't really see a hypersonic missile test. It was you 646 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.400 know, a B fifty two contract or you know those trucks you saw, 647 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.760 you know that had the yaggy antin on top of it. That wasn't really 648 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:12.760 a classified military electronic intelligence truck. That was a bunch of hand radio operators. 649 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.880 That's what the media does all the time. They do classic tactic. 650 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.719 Yeah, so, you know, and they do it to protect national security. 651 00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.760 I you know, I don't think all of these efforts to protect this 652 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:30.320 information necessarily malicious. I think you have just a bunch of guys at Galas 653 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:35.880 trying to do their best to keep the little certain things. Honda brings up 654 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.119 a good point and seeing that it's so obvious that our government would waste tax 655 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.880 dollars listening to secondhand testimony. I mean, and he's right. I mean, 656 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.239 that's a really good point, Honda. Why would they waste money listening 657 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.599 to someone that got all of his information from other people they were telling them 658 00:53:52.599 --> 00:54:00.199 stories Unless you're correct and seeing that because of those people, if you're right 659 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.920 and seeing what you're saying, trade, then those people that actually are were 660 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.599 a part of these kinds of programs are never going to come forward. And 661 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:13.679 that's where it gets interesting. And if you listen to him saying, he 662 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.960 said there are certain things that I will say that I am not going to 663 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.559 say in an unclassified format or arena. So we don't know what he's told 664 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.400 Congress behind closed door, inside of a their own sap apter SKIP. And 665 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:36.119 we don't know who's corroborated this testimony in his allegations on the high side, 666 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:38.079 on the classified side, So we don't know what's going on behind the curtain. 667 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:43.280 It could be there's your fifty guys and gals out there they're saying, 668 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.719 yes, I will corroborate everything we said, but in our corroboration, we're 669 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.480 pleasant classified information, so that can't be made public that that corroboration even exists. 670 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:58.559 It's frustrating, isn't it. Well, from a lot of the congressmen 671 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.760 and women that were part of the congressional hearing, a lot of them were 672 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:07.320 denied from the skiff and and the people that were a part of the skiff, 673 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.039 and this is documented. This is from statements from them saying that he 674 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.440 basically had nothing and that what they told, what he told them in the 675 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:22.360 skiff was basically nothing. He didn't reveal anything more in the skiff that he 676 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:28.440 revealed in the congressional testimony. Yeah, I hadn't read that he actually he 677 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:34.639 actually revealed more in that News Nation interview that was not in front of Congress 678 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.760 than he did in the congressional testimony. And like, why would he not 679 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:44.280 at least talk about the things that he previously talked about in a News Nation 680 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:51.760 interview in Australia in the congressional testimony. I see, there's so many things 681 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:55.039 that really aren't adding up. And it might be similar to like what you're 682 00:55:55.039 --> 00:56:00.599 saying, but from an outsider perspective, he looks like he has nothing nothing, 683 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.000 there's no evidence. No. Yeah, it's a huge nothing burger. 684 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.400 Yeah, and you know, only time will tell you know where this goes? 685 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:13.519 If it generates, uh, you know, some inertia in Congress to 686 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.000 you know, dig into this, and who knows. When Congress pulls back 687 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.000 the layer of the onion, they looked down it and they say, whoa, 688 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.679 we can't ever disclose this stuff, and we're no better off when we 689 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:29.000 were last year. So it's a very very interesting time to be alive as 690 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:30.679 far as you know, disclosure on this stuff. But it's also equally as 691 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:37.320 frustrating. Firefly says that he got paid for the news Nitian interview. I'm 692 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.719 not sure about that. He might have, but I do know that he 693 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:47.119 had a documentary lined up before he ever testified in front of Congress, before 694 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:52.119 he even became a whistle blower, which is another thing that's really suspect about 695 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.440 this, you know, Yeah, the money aspect of this and being in 696 00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:01.760 the spotlight and having this information, that's just I mean, I've interviewed several 697 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.639 people, Trey, I've interviewed a lot of people on my show. Can 698 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:10.760 I take all of those testimonies and take them to Congress and tell them about 699 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.079 what I know from all the people that I've talked to as well, and 700 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:20.880 it be taken seriously and it's kind of like it's a weird thing. Yeah, 701 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.119 really a weird thing it is. And you know, I guess it 702 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:30.880 Basically, what it comes down to is what do you personally believe? And 703 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.480 even more important, what do you want for? You know, like that, 704 00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:37.800 you know, the poster over my shoulder here from the X files. 705 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.159 I want to believe what you know what you know, what your belief system? 706 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:47.599 And you know, I like to think that maybe it was an honest 707 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:55.119 effort at forcing disclosure. The way he's gone about it makes sense to me, 708 00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:00.800 you know, from my professional background, the way he's using the IG 709 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.440 to do the legwork, doing a whistle blower for top cover so he can't 710 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.239 be prosecuted or retaliated against. And I guess we'll just have to see how 711 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.679 it shakes out. I've been talking believe it or not. I've gotten other 712 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:19.360 queries and phone calls from people. You and I discussed an individual well known 713 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.920 in the UP arena that it was was saying, how does this work? 714 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.199 How do these special access programs work? You know, how does how does 715 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:35.880 this system protect itself? And what do you think this means? And you 716 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.559 know it passes the sniff test? If I was going to disclose something like 717 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.400 this that I caught window. That's the way I would go about it, 718 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:45.360 now, you know. Or it could be a bunch of bullshit. I 719 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:50.599 don't know. I guess we'll just have to wait to find out. Joshua 720 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:54.039 made a good point here a Sage and Snowdon were legit grushing not so much. 721 00:58:55.280 --> 00:59:01.519 Yeah, and that's another example of two whistleblowers that had classified information. 722 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:06.679 Yeah. And the difference on that, especially in Snowdon, is he was 723 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:13.599 actually read into this this SCI the Special Department of a program and had access 724 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.079 to something called jay wigs, which is a top secret SCI computer system, 725 00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:22.000 and he downloaded all the on echelon and all that stuff. He downloaded it 726 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.440 and took it with him or I'm trying to remember. I think he fought 727 00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.159 it to assage and carry know how that worked out. But he actually had 728 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.039 you know, the smoking gun, you know, in his hand and was 729 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.480 able to pass it on to somebody else. H mcgroush never said he had 730 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.039 the smoking guy, he said, he's never said he saw the smoking guy. 731 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.239 He said he smelled some of the gunpowder, you know, but he's 732 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:52.639 never actually seen it. Yeah, Which those two kisses are are very interesting. 733 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:59.519 I don't know, I kind of had. I honestly liked free Ver 734 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:07.280 and Ryan Graves testimony during that whole thing much better than I liked grush Is 735 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.400 testimony, right, because they actually seen something. Now, whether what they 736 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:15.239 seen was an actual extraterrestrial craft or not, because there was a lot of 737 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:20.559 interesting comments between the congressmen that were you know, they were constantly asking them 738 01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:24.079 is this our craft? Right? Is this some reverse engineer? It is 739 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:29.599 this our military? You know? But it was interesting the way that it 740 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.039 was set up. It had Grush, which had all these stories right in 741 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.079 the center, and they used Ryan Graves to sort of legitimize Grush and then 742 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:42.239 favor after Grush, so they sandwished them right in the middle of these two 743 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:49.719 military officers. Incredible people, I mean, regardless of what they believe. 744 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.760 I believed that they saw something, regardless if it was an extraterrestrial craft or 745 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.480 not. I don't personally believe that it was an extraterrestrial craft. But that's 746 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.000 neither here nor there, right. What they saw is what they said, 747 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.440 you know, they didn't make any hyperbole or conjecture around really what they sold. 748 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.679 They basically said. They were like, hey, Uh, you know, 749 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.519 we aren't aware of any craft that can maneuver like this at the speeds, 750 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.400 which I think is a lie. I think we've had that craft for 751 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.480 a really long time now, whether regardless if they know about it or not, 752 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:27.599 you know a difference. But you know, they they haven't differed from 753 01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.000 their story and they're not just going out there and talking about a bunch of 754 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.000 different stories that they heard from other people talk about, right, And that's 755 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.480 that's that's interesting because I think you hit on something that the personal belief in 756 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:42.719 mine. I think a lot of things that are being seen and reported are 757 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:49.280 undisclosed airframes being operated by and some other agents, which yes, that's what 758 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.000 they do, that's their jobs to develop these whiz bangs. You know. 759 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.320 I don't know if you're familiar with Tescent Blue, which was the precursor to 760 01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:00.880 the stepth technology, some of the aircraft they were flying and it hasn't blew 761 01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:07.000 we're insane looking crazy thing, you know, would make no sense, but 762 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:12.320 they were they were valid, you know. Airframes. The Effluence seventeen was 763 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:17.960 an operational airframe actual flying missions back in the seventies, but it was done 764 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.079 under the cover at a Tampana for another unit, so it was all done 765 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.039 under a special access program. So yeah, I think a lot of that 766 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:30.440 is un acknowledged. The airframes. I think some of the stuff, you 767 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.920 know, with the five observables, when you start stacking them on top of 768 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:36.719 each other, yeah, then it starts to get a little weird. I 769 01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:43.280 think some of the stuff out there is other and that's that's kind of half 770 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.280 the front of this is, you know, trying to determine what you know, 771 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.639 what everything is, and always wondering. It would be an awfully boring 772 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.360 world if we had all the answers. That's what I'm trying to explain to 773 01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:59.280 people too. Well, what would we do if we automatically knew everything all 774 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.119 the time, all the information? You know, it takes the fun out 775 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:06.440 of all this stuff and you know, talking about it, right, we 776 01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:09.239 wouldn't be talking right now on the show being live in front of you know, 777 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:14.880 on all these different platforms. If we absolutely knew for without a shadow 778 01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.679 of a doubt, no one would be listening either, right, Yeah, 779 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:24.239 it would be bored. Yeah, Yeah, I just think they they should 780 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:29.480 have went about it in a different way. And if he was cleared by 781 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:36.920 the DoD to go out there and talk about everything that he knew about extraterrestrials 782 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:42.679 and you know, crash retrievals and non biologicals that come along with these crash 783 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.800 retrievals, then he should have done that. What better opportunity are you ever 784 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:52.199 going to have to come forward with that kind of information then in front of 785 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:55.239 Congress. Yeah, and they're probably he's probably never going to get it again. 786 01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:02.800 They're probably the congressional congress men are saying that it was such an embarrassment 787 01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:10.599 that they're never going to do it again, at least publicly. Yeah, 788 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.639 you know, so they blew it. They blew it. He blew it, 789 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:17.960 all of them, They blew it. They had a great opportunity right 790 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:23.800 then and there to talk about the names of the people, the people that 791 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:28.199 he got the information from, the names of the special access programs that are 792 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:34.320 running above congressional oversight, and he didn't do it. So it's like, 793 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.280 I don't know, I don't know what they're gonna do. I think it 794 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:46.960 really put a a nail in the coffin on this topic for years to come. 795 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:54.400 They probably won't do this again for a really long time. And well, 796 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:56.639 it could have been one of those things. I know something I can 797 01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:58.920 tell you, but I can't tell you, So I'm not going to tell 798 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:04.880 you that I'm you're not telling you. I'm telling you. And so you 799 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:09.320 know, where we ever get the complete truth? No, of course not, 800 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:14.880 but you know, maybe we can start getting some indicators and you know, 801 01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.079 a brave soul that will come forward and say, hey, you know 802 01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:23.000 I was on the retrieval operation. You know, we launched out of the 803 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:29.039 ex Air Base and C seventeen into Brazil blah blah blah. And then somebody's 804 01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.760 going to go, well, that guy's line, where's the proof? You 805 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.639 know, like I knew one of the I knew one of the crew chiefs 806 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:43.320 that was on an MC one thirty that flew into the Iranian desert on operation 807 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.840 I think it's Operation Ego Call to retrieve the Iranian hostages. You're remember when 808 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:51.119 that old operation put the South. You know, he had no way of 809 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:57.000 proving that he was on that operation except that he was in a unit that 810 01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:05.760 did that kind of stuff, and I believe him. So yeah, I 811 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:11.880 guess it comes down to your definition of you know, proof and your definition 812 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:16.519 of evidence and his proof and evidence does not add up in my book. 813 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:23.920 But what I want to do really quick is talk about some official, non 814 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:30.159 official special access programs that you may or may not have ever been involved with. 815 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.880 And could you give an example of one of those, because again, 816 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:41.960 I think it's important to nail home the fact that this theory that's been going 817 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.280 around the community for years and years and years and years that when people here 818 01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:54.719 in the community a special access program, that all of them involve reverse engineering 819 01:06:54.920 --> 01:07:00.400 of extraterrestrial craft or some kind of anti gravity or free energy divide is or 820 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:06.880 something like that. So could you maybe describe potential special access program that you 821 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:17.679 may or may not No off, no, just no no. But I'll 822 01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:24.239 tell you this. There are all kinds of special programs being run, and 823 01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:29.559 there's three three flavors of and there's acquisition, operation, and intelligence. Those 824 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:32.800 are the three types of special access programs. Intelligences, you know, what 825 01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:39.559 you think of is collecting intelligence using technology and collecting intelligence. Acquisition is how 826 01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:43.000 do we build our widgets, how do we make our widgets pastor and stealthier 827 01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.559 and be able to withstand buttloads of damage from our adversaries? And then operational 828 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:53.199 is how do we plan to go in there and pop acap on Osama bin 829 01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.679 lad. You know, how do we coordinate with a one six Keith Special 830 01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:00.840 Operations Air Regiment? How do we coordinate with Seal Team six? You know? 831 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.639 Where's where does a SFOD delta fall into this mix? So that's an 832 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:12.199 operational set and you will have people working literally next to you that are read 833 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:20.399 into a program that you have no knowledge about. Not saying that. I've 834 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.319 ever had people come up in your years later and say, oh my goodness, 835 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.520 I didn't know that you were even involved at that I was involved with 836 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:31.600 it for years and your name never came up. But that doesn't mean you 837 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.600 don't necessarily tell people what you know and you don't know. And the person 838 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.039 working next to you might be in the same program but doing a different, 839 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:45.079 different aspect of right, the compartmentalization of this compartmentalization, Yes, absolutely nobody 840 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.319 has the full picture except up at the program security office level and higher. 841 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:56.800 King James makes a good point here. Grush has yet to disclose anything that 842 01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:00.600 hasn't already been openly available for decades. Yeah, you're right, King James, 843 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.239 You're you hit the nail on the head there. He hasn't he hasn't 844 01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:09.359 said anything that the community hasn't already talked about or knowing about, or theorized 845 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:15.399 about, or think that was actually happening. Right, And even with the 846 01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:19.800 special access programs above Congressional oversight that he talks about that are being funded from 847 01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:28.199 overcharging of other special access programs. Katherine Austin Fitz has been talking about that 848 01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:31.239 forever and she was the secretary of the Bush administration. Yeah. Absolutely, 849 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.399 And that's that's what we're gonna have to see, you know that the proof 850 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:39.840 of the smoking gun. He's going to be you know, as Congress investigates 851 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:44.880 this, you know, with their with their mechanism, the the Government Accounting 852 01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:47.760 Office does their investigations, what comes out of it. Yeah, that might 853 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:53.279 not be anytime soon, if ever. So you know, what do you 854 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.920 see if that that little nudge has gotten the ball, Roy and you know, 855 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.960 there might be another soul that comes sport it says yes, yeah, 856 01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:05.359 this is in fact something going on and it needs to be investigated in disclose. 857 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:15.039 It's also interesting too in that congressional testimony as well, he was talking 858 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:20.159 about the repercussions of him being a whistleblower, and it turned out that that 859 01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:28.159 was the mental health case and him being taken to a mental health facility for 860 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:38.760 suicidal tendencies and substance abuse problems. But what he blamed on the government trying 861 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:45.359 to discredit him, which he tried to get out ahead of the curve on 862 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.079 that one. But if you were trying to get out ahead of the curve, 863 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:53.119 then you would just put that up front, right. I don't know 864 01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:56.920 I would have just if I was in his shoes and I was you know, 865 01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:00.479 and I had this information or whatever, that I would just and I 866 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:01.840 had some problems, like I would just get out ahead of it and be 867 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:04.560 like, hey, listen, this is what happens. So then you don't 868 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:08.560 have anything for people to come out and be like, yo, you're not 869 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:12.000 incredible, right put him by him doing it like that, It makes them 870 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:15.239 look very incredible. Now. One thing that was kind of squirrely for me 871 01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.680 when he kind of went off of Jason Bourn saying, oh, you know, 872 01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:21.119 my life is you know, been put at risk and my family's life 873 01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:27.439 has been cut at risk. You know, really, I mean it sounds 874 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.880 like a Chief Spy novel, you know. I mean, they're not going 875 01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.960 to offer you, you know what they're gonna do is just never talk about 876 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.720 it. They're gonna move you out of these areas, out of these programs. 877 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.279 You're gonna sit down in front of a counter intelligence agent from your whatever 878 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:45.399 agency and an FBI agent. They're gonna say, if you talk about this, 879 01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:47.920 you're going to end up like Robert Hanson and spending the rest of your 880 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:53.840 life in a supermax facility in Florence, Colorado, seeing sunlight for one hour 881 01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:57.880 a day the rest of your life. So shut up, you know, 882 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.960 shut the f up. And I don't know about most people, but that 883 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.840 would be enough of a life changing event for me, and I would go 884 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:09.479 about my quiet little life and never talked about it again. So you know, 885 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:13.159 the whole you know, Ninja snipers, you know, trying to take 886 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.560 that just seems kind of silly to me. It is melodramatic as hell. 887 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:20.720 And I'll say that, yeah, it's over the top. It's a mystical 888 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:27.560 and uh, for some reason within this community really solidifies what you're saying. 889 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:31.960 If the government is after you and they're doing things to discredit you, it 890 01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:40.159 really just you know, solidifies your testimony even more. Yeah, yeah, 891 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.640 yeah, when you know, when we slid the inadvertent disclosure statement in front 892 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:48.720 of that individual explained, you saw abmc uh, you never need to talk 893 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:53.600 about it again. We know that you know, and now you know that 894 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.840 we know, sign that that you're never going to talk about it again, 895 01:12:57.239 --> 01:12:59.800 and that individual can to be later. And he says, I never want 896 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:04.199 to meet those people ever again in my life. Don't worry about me ever 897 01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:08.279 saying a word. I will take it to my grade. It's that much 898 01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:12.159 of a life changing event. And I don't think there's any reason to go 899 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.720 all special operations, you know, assassination squads. You know, that just 900 01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:20.560 seems seems silly to me. What do you think about the men in black, 901 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:25.039 because I think this is really where a lot of this started, with 902 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:30.560 these government operatives and people claiming to be visited by the men in black when 903 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:35.680 they would see something weird. What's your thoughts on the minium body. I 904 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:42.880 think that's two things. Two things are going on. One is people are 905 01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.319 especially during the Cold War, you know, and anybody that you know lived 906 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.880 during the Cold War or worked for the government of the military during schol it 907 01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:57.600 was a very tense time, extremely tense. You know, we were continuously 908 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.800 petering on the edge of a full scale confrontation with the Soviet Union. So 909 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:05.640 I think you're taking very seriously type then. And I think a lot of 910 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:13.359 the men in black reports were military or other agency counter intelligenceations coming to somebody 911 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:19.199 and saying you saw something. I'll give you an example. This is my 912 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:27.399 guess on it is Texburg. Okay. What I think that was is I 913 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:31.239 believe that was a film recovery pod from a Corona satellite, which was a 914 01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:39.359 spy satellite had used films and it dropped an acorn shaped tone that was retrieved 915 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.399 by aircraft. I think that I'm just guessing, but to me, it 916 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:48.840 seems like that was a premature objection of that film pod that landed in Txburg. 917 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:54.960 There's something called an NBA or national defense area that you can have a 918 01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:59.479 security specialist or a military officer coming and say this area is now a national 919 01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:03.039 defense area. We are taking it over. Nobody can lead or come in 920 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:08.279 anybody that's inside of this area. When I established it will be deepree. 921 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:13.359 That's called an NDA National Offense area. So I think that's what happened with 922 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.039 that. Now, this whole mythology, you know, evolved around that and 923 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:20.640 the men in law like I think they saw a national defense, national security 924 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:27.960 item that was highly sensitive and they were worn in the in the interest of 925 01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:30.319 national security. We need you to be a patriot. Patriot, and I 926 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:34.079 talked about this, but if you don't want to be a patriot, we'll 927 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:40.319 put you in prison and make you regret that that you ever lived. And 928 01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:42.640 so I think that's what happened. Now, the other half of it is, 929 01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:49.239 I think there are men in black which are apparitions, and the way 930 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:55.760 people interpret those, you could be humanoids, you know, wearing dark suits. 931 01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:59.039 It could be you know, you get into the whole John Keel thing 932 01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:02.720 about how our perceptions guide that we see, how we interpret it. So 933 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:09.600 I think there's actually two phenomena going on. One is a terrestrial explainable ordinary 934 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:15.960 and the other one is perhaps people encountering things that are not within their field 935 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:19.600 house or something not within their frame of preference. Yeah, it almost seems 936 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:27.039 like a operation, because that's what you would do in a operation. Rate 937 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:30.479 to someone seeing something, you would go out there and ask them to see 938 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:33.880 what they saw. Absolutely, you would debreefe from, you would sit them 939 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.479 down, you would isolate them from other people. I saw it. What 940 01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.199 did you see. You would look at their statement and say, Okay, 941 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:45.079 did they see enough that's dangerous? You know, did they see information that 942 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:50.279 would either be damage national security, serious damage or extremely great damage? And 943 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.479 if the answer that as no, no, and no, then they can 944 01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:59.000 go on and talk about whatever. If they do cross that threshold, then 945 01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:02.000 you need to go. You need to administer the invert disclosure statement to say 946 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:08.119 we saw something, you don't need to talk about it. You're signing this 947 01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:14.000 document, which basically is a non legally binding non disclosure agreement, and if 948 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:19.319 you talk about it, then we'll prosecute you. And the listener list mentioned 949 01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:26.319 Assage and snow, that's an example of that massage. You know, he 950 01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:31.640 just received the information. That information was so sensitive that I received a notice 951 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.239 to put it out to people under myne know that I was responsible for. 952 01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:44.000 Is if they went to the wiki leaks site on a government computer, I 953 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:48.000 would come and I would seize that computer because that computer now has classified information 954 01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:51.479 on it, and we would wipe the hard drive and then you would sign 955 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:57.439 a non just an inadvertent disclosure agree. That's how sensitive the information that will 956 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:03.239 put up in wikis was. Wow, you were in charge of them well, 957 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:08.600 you know my office and our information technology Yeah, I know. They 958 01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:12.079 came down from our headquarters that if you access that from a government computer, 959 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.239 we would take the computer. And we've done it plenty of times. As 960 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:19.319 people would stumble across something, we would take the computers called spillage, and 961 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:24.800 we would wipe their computer. Now what people do at home, you know, 962 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.600 that's not a government system. You know, we don't have spies watch 963 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.000 more to do at home. But the wikillis think quote so sensitive that we 964 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:36.079 were warned you could not access that that site from a government computer. Kind 965 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:40.279 of an old war story is back when I was at the Army Intel School, 966 01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:44.560 the Tom Planty book The Cardinal of the Kremlin had just come out, 967 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.159 and there was some very sensitive stuff in that book that Tom Plinty figured out. 968 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:54.279 In a skiff special compartment information facility, there's a guy called a special 969 01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:57.840 Security officer, which is kind of the same thing as a staff security officer, 970 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:01.960 and he's told us, he said, do not bring a copy of 971 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:05.800 Hardal of the Kribblin into my officers say, but they're talking about such a 972 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:11.359 such because I will compliscate your book and I will shred it. They just 973 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:15.520 don't don't even don't even bring it to it. Well, I think the 974 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.600 government just got rid of they said they made a wall or they band TikTok 975 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.680 from all government devices. Yeah, right, yeah, and that's there's a 976 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:29.039 very good reason TikTok was banned from government devices. I do not have TikTok 977 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:33.119 for my private device. I do not trust TikTok and anybody listening out there, 978 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.880 that's not bullshit anything that you could on TikTok, any device that has 979 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.840 TikTok on it. Every bit of information on my device goes to the Chinese 980 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:47.640 Conferentist Party, which I com I tell it separates very fine, verifiable. 981 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:53.760 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely absolutely. Wow. Yeah, I mean it's not 982 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.439 it's not an accident that we just kind of said, well, we hate 983 01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.239 TikTok because this sounds silly. No, there's a reason TikTok his band from 984 01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:11.079 certain certain technologies. The resupport. Joshua brought up a questionnaire writer tray any 985 01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:14.560 comment on the Capitol hell UFA incident around nineteen fifty two. I think he's 986 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.359 referring to the Washington flapping nineteen fifty two or the model of la you go 987 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:23.279 first and now I'll follow you. I'm not that old guys, you know. 988 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:26.079 I mean, I'm old, but I'm not buddled. No. Yeah, 989 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:30.399 that is uh, that was really interesting because both of those instruments are 990 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:35.039 incidents rather were witnessed by multiple people, and it was right in the middle 991 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:38.760 of the Cold War, you know, like I kind of alluded to earlier. 992 01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:44.279 So the interesting thing is all of the uh the visual casts, any 993 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:51.439 military accounts of it, records of energetic engagements, i e. Radar stuff 994 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:56.640 like that, all of that's been buried inside of the Pentagon somewhere. So 995 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:01.239 you know, it was a Russian invasion of Soviet invasion, was it? 996 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:09.279 You know, uap UFOs was it? You know our guys, you know 997 01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.880 getting picked up, you know that we're doing a test or something. I 998 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.720 really don't know. I would love to get to the bottom of that cause. 999 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.520 But the Battle of la I mean, that's just something that I just 1000 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.439 think is so cool, especially you know with the fact that you had, 1001 01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:26.920 you know, pieces of anti aircraft artillery exploding the air and leaning down on 1002 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:30.000 cars inside of Los Angeles. You know, that's that's a pretty serious stuff 1003 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:33.319 and I would love to know what you know, what's what's going on with 1004 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:36.560 that, and the same thing with the the UFO incident over the Capital. 1005 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:41.119 Fascinating stuff and it might be one of those things that's been buried so deep, 1006 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:45.640 will never know the truth. Yeah. I find it interesting though, 1007 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:56.039 Washington flap event, because who's president during nineteen fifty two four? I think 1008 01:21:56.039 --> 01:22:02.279 so? Huh Well, anyway, whoever was president, I would have to 1009 01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:06.079 look it up a game. But whoever was president during nineteen fifty two, 1010 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:10.960 it might have been Eisenhower. We might have won earlier that year. But 1011 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:15.800 they gave a shootdown order for the UFOs over the White House and during the 1012 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:20.159 Washington flap event. So if these were extraterrestrial craft, why in the world 1013 01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:25.640 would they risk war with an interplanetary space fleet when they just got out of 1014 01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.720 World War Two. That's not going to happen. So that to me means 1015 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:33.800 that it was our craft, somebody else, some other, maybe a breakaway 1016 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:38.800 civilization like doctor Joseph Farrell talks about, that was coming to show what they 1017 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.840 got to us and flexed their muscles over the White House because they gave a 1018 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.000 shootdown order. You're not going to give a shootdown order to something that you 1019 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.439 know is an extra terrestrial craft. They had to have known that it was 1020 01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:56.560 some sort of man made craft from someplace else or everything was on such a 1021 01:22:56.640 --> 01:23:00.760 hair trigger, you know, and we had distant early warning the dow line 1022 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:05.079 set up, so you watch over the horizon that this was a armada of 1023 01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:12.159 craft that got in, you know, underneath our detection capabilities. That could 1024 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:16.600 be Soviet that's penetrating, just like we have you know, shoot down orders 1025 01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:21.000 over certain areas of the National Capital Region. Now that they crossed a certain 1026 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:28.800 line, it's unidentified shooting down. So I remember this is almost the exact 1027 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:32.560 same thing with the Bottle of La as well. They were shooting at the 1028 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:40.520 craft at the Bottle of La and there's many reports of the bullets being bouncing 1029 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.359 off of something ten can or something metal. That doesn't sound extra trust show 1030 01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:47.000 to me. It sounds human made. Yeah, perhaps perhaps. And you 1031 01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:50.039 always have the you know, the famous photograph of the spotlights, you know, 1032 01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:55.079 locking in on multiple spotlights locking on the target, you know, as 1033 01:23:55.159 --> 01:24:00.000 the anti aircraft are engaging. So who knows. I think Henry it was 1034 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:06.520 Henry Truman. Henry Truman was president during the time of the Washington flap event. 1035 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:12.760 But I think that eisenhowerd became president later on that that. Yeah, 1036 01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:15.680 I'm pretty sure it's Truman. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Harry Truman 1037 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:18.720 succeeded Roosevelt when he passed away and then won his own election. You're right, 1038 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:24.319 yeah, yeah, because I remember researching the event, but I got 1039 01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:27.079 so much stuff in my head with a bunch of different dates and the people 1040 01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.479 to remember that it's hard to remember. All these people got to look it 1041 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.399 up sometimes. But yeah, those are really interesting events. But again, 1042 01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:38.359 I think that there's a thing that they do after every one of these events. 1043 01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:42.920 You just mentioned Ketsburg, and I believe that was in sixty five in 1044 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:46.840 Ketsburg, Pennsylvania. When that happened, they came out and said that they 1045 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:50.800 did not believe that the event had anything to do with extra treastures. They 1046 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:57.279 did the exact same thing after the Washington Flap event Battle of La Roswell. 1047 01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:00.760 So it's like, I feel like they're telling you, but they're just letting 1048 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:06.600 the public speculate, and the community has has just gotten so out of control 1049 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:13.239 that they're willing to believe in anything now. I don't know. That's my 1050 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.680 personal opinion, you know, And I'm moving to other people's opinion. But 1051 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:25.840 it really seems like that the extraterrestrial narrative and the extraterrestrial hypothesis has been propagated 1052 01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:30.359 and pushed out there by us, by the community. Well, the government 1053 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:34.159 has been telling us this entire time that it's not extraterrestrials. Oh, and 1054 01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:39.600 I think there's you know, my own personal opinion because I think they are 1055 01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:44.680 telling the truth. I don't think it's ex structure terrestrial as we think of 1056 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.560 extraterrestrial. That there they plan it, you know, three dimensions, and 1057 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:53.199 they get in their intellectual catiac and they drive over here and they hop out 1058 01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:56.359 and you know, se whatever, have a picnic and head back home. 1059 01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:00.600 I think it's it's interdimensional. I think that you know, you start getting 1060 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:08.279 down into you know, micro quantom things after dimensional activities, and I think 1061 01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:11.000 to take place. I mean that's that's a fact. And I think if 1062 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:15.279 you extrapolate it up into a macro environment, I think that's reasonable too, 1063 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.800 you know, but it's perhaps just beyond our understanding that we can't perceive it. 1064 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:20.840 So, you know, is it you know, like I said, 1065 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:27.359 is it eight unidentified flying object? You know, something that you can grab 1066 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:30.079 and put your hands on Maybe not, maybe it's more of a phenomenon. 1067 01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:36.880 Yeah, Joshua Cardis said, Eisenhower made a deal with the ETS supposedly after 1068 01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:42.199 those incidents. While if you look who look up who propagated those thoughts and 1069 01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.680 ideas and theories, it was Bill Cooper. And Bill Cooper got a lot 1070 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.840 of his information from a fake documentary that came out in nineteen seventy eight called 1071 01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:57.000 The Alternative three. So there's your little study on that. Also, Joshua, 1072 01:26:57.079 --> 01:27:00.840 you warned about the military industrial complex. Yeah, you did. He 1073 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.359 did, and that's what a lot of people, you know, they point 1074 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:09.079 to. And I think that he did that because you knew that they were 1075 01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:14.359 they had created these crafts and they were going to disguise them as extraterrestrial crafts. 1076 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:17.800 But that's just my personal thoughts, my personal ideas on the matter. 1077 01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:23.199 Do you have any comments on how we're talking about the military industrial complex? 1078 01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:26.000 Thanks for your questions, by the way, Joshua, and your comments. 1079 01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.720 Really appreciate you. Yeah, a couple of things. Number what, it's 1080 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.800 straight that you mentioned Agenda three because I was at the bit of synchronicity. 1081 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.520 I was actually reading something about Agenda three and the whole agenda three hopes that 1082 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:39.840 it was done on one April, you know by the BBC dust it was 1083 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:44.359 an April fool thing. Yeah, and it's still a popagates to today, 1084 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.920 which you know, it was a hope. Even if you look at the 1085 01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:51.520 credits of it, it's like, yeah, okay, it's like Maffy Python 1086 01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:57.079 credits. They're silly. So anyway, that's interesting because I was just reading 1087 01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:03.359 about that they and going back to, you know, Eisenhower, I just 1088 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:09.800 completely lost my trans fault the talking about Eisenhower and the industrial military industrial complex. 1089 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:16.359 I think what he was worried about is the ascendancy of military contractors. 1090 01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:20.560 You know, it used to be back in the days that the and you 1091 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:23.760 know, I'm an army guy, so I'll talk about army. The Army 1092 01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:29.159 had the Army Ordinance Core, and you had places like Rock Island Arsenal and 1093 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:33.680 Waterfully Arsenal and all of these arsenals that actually built war material. It was 1094 01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:39.600 built by the army, and then they started contracting it out because they couldn't 1095 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.880 meet the demands for World War Two, so they started farming out the you 1096 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:49.359 know, general motors. I have a an IM one card being made by 1097 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:54.039 the Universal Typewriter Company of all things, you know, in my state. 1098 01:28:54.600 --> 01:29:00.600 So they started farming out these war materials to private contractors, and so it 1099 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.439 got to be a problem that these contractors who are in the business of making 1100 01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.880 money, you know, it's you know, that's what they do, that 1101 01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:12.119 that can become its own self licking lollypop. And I know when I was 1102 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:16.960 in Afghanistan, you know, you look at the number of military people there, 1103 01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:24.439 in government people versus a number of contractors. It eclipses the military forces 1104 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.640 we've had there. Just the number of people from Kellogg, Brown and Root 1105 01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:32.279 ABR that ran our miss hall. It wasn't army cooks cooking our food, 1106 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:39.199 it was KBR. It wasn't army transportation you had bringing stuff in. They 1107 01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:45.159 were contracted aircraft from all kinds of different places. So, you know, 1108 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:49.640 the military industrial complex can become like a multi headed hydro, but you can't 1109 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:53.479 cut off the heads past. And I think that's probably how we were at 1110 01:29:53.560 --> 01:29:57.920 today, is uh. You know, I've worked with many defense contractors, 1111 01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:01.680 a lot of mercary, patriot, good people, but you know, when 1112 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.319 it just becomes its own self licking lollypop and its own ends to a meeting 1113 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:12.439 means to an end, it can become problematic. And you know, unfortunately, 1114 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.600 with US sending all the arms over to Ukraine right now, it's easy 1115 01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:21.239 pickings right now for the defense contractor to start ramping up the weed developed, 1116 01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:26.239 more weapons systems were clinched, the ones that we've extended and sent over the 1117 01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:30.920 Ukraine. So it's you know, it's a real dangerous the danger in any 1118 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:36.680 republic when wars come to business. Yeah, And I actually got the date 1119 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:42.119 wrong on the Alternative three documentaries nineteen seventy seven and the book came out in 1120 01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:44.960 seventy eight. I said that the documentary came out in seventy eight, but 1121 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:46.720 it came out in seventy seven. I just wanted to make sure that that 1122 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:51.920 was accurate. But there's a lot of interesting things in the Alternative three documentary 1123 01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:58.800 and the subsequent book that came out. They marketed the Alternative three material as 1124 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:03.159 real nonfiction material, and it got everyone hooked in, especially in the documentary. 1125 01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:06.239 In the book that a lot of people in the United States didn't see 1126 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:14.399 the documentary until way later, which gets it's pretty dang interesting, and I 1127 01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:16.600 can see how people could be fool, right, because I'm gonna be covering 1128 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:23.640 this other fake documentary on Saturday with Shane the Ruiner called the Orian Conspiracy. 1129 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:28.640 And this Orian Conspiracy thing is a hum ding or dude. It brings in 1130 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:33.560 everything and it seems pretty dang reel. You know, if I was listening 1131 01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:35.960 to this back when it came out in two thousand and eight, I would 1132 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:40.399 probably buy into it. I probably did. Let's actually listen to about in 1133 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.159 two thousand and eight. It was very popular on YouTube when YouTube was just 1134 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.279 free rein. You can put out whatever you wanted to put out on YouTube. 1135 01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:51.680 But the Alternative three material is really interesting because it basically says that a 1136 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:59.720 lot of the missing people in the world are being taken by the military and 1137 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:04.560 the intelligence community and taking to the Moon and taking to Mars to work on 1138 01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:09.000 like colonies and all that. And at the end of the documentary, it 1139 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:14.760 has a craft that's landing on Mars and you see this little strange thing that's 1140 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.359 popping up its hand, and all of the Secret Space Program people and all 1141 01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:24.560 the super soldier people in the community use this material as being accurate and real, 1142 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:30.399 right, And it turns out that that was the miniature of Mars and 1143 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:36.560 the thing that was moving up underground was the director's fingers. It's unbelievable, 1144 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:41.159 and that was taking as reel and all these theories and all these speculations really 1145 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:45.119 forms surrounding that. And then you got the Montauk Project that formed up out 1146 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:49.479 of that, that came out of the Fidel Philadelphia Experiment that was based on 1147 01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:55.640 a freaking fictional movie that everyone ripped off. Preston Nichols just ripped off the 1148 01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:59.760 Philadelphia Experiment movie that came out, and I believe the let me just find 1149 01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:03.279 out when the Philadelphia Experiment movie came out, but he just took that movie 1150 01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:08.760 and then created his own more in his own almost word for word, exactly 1151 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:13.640 what happened in the Philadelphia Experiment fictional movie, which was based off of a 1152 01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:19.319 book by Believe Berlitz, which was a retelling of a retelling of a retelling 1153 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:24.000 of a decausing operation for the uss everage. You know, it was a 1154 01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:28.680 common thing in Norfolk, they did all the time. So yeah, stories 1155 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:31.000 like this can actually you can gain their own momentum. So you know, 1156 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:34.479 kind of like what we talked you started off talking about, is where does 1157 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:43.479 the where does the misconception, the lie in the truth part ways. Yep, 1158 01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:49.960 that's exactly right. The Philadelphia Experiment fictional movie came out in nineteen eighty 1159 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:59.039 four, so you know. And then Pressing Nichols built his entire theory around 1160 01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:05.520 the Montague ex based on the Philadelphia Experiment fictional movie. I got everyone else 1161 01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:11.840 bought into it as well. Okay, this is a good question from Joshua 1162 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:17.119 here again, also any explanation for the rapid advancement and technology in the fifties 1163 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:24.760 and sixties lasers, microwaves, etc. Just human ingenuity or was it given 1164 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:28.880 to us? This is an old, old conspiracy theory that says that the 1165 01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:33.520 extraterrestrials gave us this technology and that's how we developed it. Yeah, it's 1166 01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:36.079 uh. You know, if you go back and you look at some of 1167 01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:41.560 the technology that was being developed in World War Two, and of course in 1168 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:45.600 Germany with an autisy have bundevopp with the Wonder weapons, and some of those 1169 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:53.239 weapons systems were extremely advanced, like television guided missiles, and there was a 1170 01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:58.600 from what I understand, there was a device very similar to trans transistors that 1171 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.800 the Germans had developed using some of their miniaturization, especially of a radar units 1172 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:09.359 that they could put on the aircraft and guide aircraft to do night fighting and 1173 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:13.720 things like that. And then there was a big effort to establish our early 1174 01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:18.640 warning radar systems to detect incoming farmer fleets. The British had worked on one, 1175 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.880 the Germans were working on them. So there was a lot of technology 1176 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:28.079 that was being developed. But as this technology matured, it was kept under 1177 01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:33.680 a veil of secrecy because it was vital military technology and the various countries did 1178 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:38.960 not want to tip their hands on what capabilities they had because as soon as 1179 01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:43.439 you develop a capability, you have to start developing a way to counter that 1180 01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:48.000 capability. So it was like capability counter capability, counter counter capability, counter 1181 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:56.720 counter counter capability. And the technology started exploding exponentially. And I remember before 1182 01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:00.880 there was the Internet, and I remember when the first dial up happened and 1183 01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:08.520 how that just exploded so fast. The technology expands exponentially, not literally, 1184 01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:11.920 So that's why I think, you know, it started in the sixties, 1185 01:36:11.960 --> 01:36:16.760 and I remember the space race, space technology and how it's developed so quickly. 1186 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:23.000 Yeah, I think so too. I think that that's the way that 1187 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:26.439 it works. It keeps evolving and things get better, and then you know, 1188 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.720 we started out with you know, we went from books. I went 1189 01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:32.640 from books to radio, radio to television, television to phones, you know, 1190 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:36.439 and then the communication the way that it you know developed. But and 1191 01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:42.560 it's also interesting that that's exactly the way that the UFOs developed too, right. 1192 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:46.760 They changed, They change from the very end when people first started seeing 1193 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:55.800 them. They turned from disc to UH to cigar shaped craft to h interdimensional 1194 01:36:55.880 --> 01:37:00.800 craft and now you got flying humanoid people and all the stuff, you know, 1195 01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:08.119 and it developed along the exact same lines that our technology developed well in 1196 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:11.439 our cultural perceptions of things, which is you know, I keep talking about 1197 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:14.640 John Keel, you know, he and uh you know, some others talked 1198 01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:19.399 about that our cultural DNA. You know, the way that we live in 1199 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:25.520 our culture is the way we project are the way we see things. You 1200 01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:30.840 know that during the Cold War, you know, these were flying disks, 1201 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:34.319 okay, back in the eighteen hundreds, they were mysterious airships. Let's shape 1202 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:40.960 like a dirigibal, you know. And then now we're into multi dimensional you 1203 01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:44.520 know, matrix kind of things for other universes. So you know, we 1204 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.720 put our own cultural infront on these things and I think we're doing so, 1205 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:50.399 you know, we create the reality to fit our mold, you know, 1206 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:57.960 our own normality. Parts. Now they put guys see big Foot, researchers 1207 01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:01.800 see goes, the apologists, the aliens, perhaps all the same things. 1208 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.880 I agree, and I think it has a lot to do with our perception 1209 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:10.239 and our belief in it. It's exactly like what you said, someone sees 1210 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:14.000 big foot, someone goes, tells big twenty other people that they saw a 1211 01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.439 bigfoot. Then they start seeing bigfoot too, just exactly the way that the 1212 01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:19.960 community has evolved as well. Like with Bud Hopkins and his Missing Time. 1213 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:25.399 I know I've mentioned this several times before and he shows people probably getting tired 1214 01:38:25.439 --> 01:38:30.439 of me talking about it. But Bud Hopkins created Missing Time and screen memories, 1215 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:34.560 and no one talked about that before his book Missing Time came out, 1216 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:39.079 and then all of a sudden, when his book came out, everyone started 1217 01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:43.239 experiencing missing time. And it's an exact same thing with Whitley Strieber as well 1218 01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:47.680 his book Communion. No one talked about gray aliens before his book Communion came 1219 01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:53.399 out, and then all of a sudden, everyone's seeing gray aliens. Yeah, 1220 01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:57.119 yeah, I mean it's it's kind of your wish team. First the 1221 01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:02.520 chicken or the eggs. Missing time come out because Budd Hopkins wrote about missing 1222 01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:06.439 time or was missing time always there and nobody really had a label for it. 1223 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:10.000 And now there's a label for It's like, oh, path, yeah, 1224 01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:12.439 okay, that's what that is. Missing time. We do have a 1225 01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:16.319 word for it, you know, neural linguistics. Do we speak something into 1226 01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:20.800 reality, you know, by our perception of it? I agree. If 1227 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:25.159 anyone's got any questions, really quick for Trey before I let him go. 1228 01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:29.399 It's been a fantastic conversation. Thank you so much for everyone being here and 1229 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:31.439 being in the chat. And uh, thanks for coming on, Trey. 1230 01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:35.279 I really enjoy speaking with your brother. It's been too long. Let's do 1231 01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:42.359 it again soon, sooner than later next time. Thanks writer. It's always 1232 01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:45.399 an honor of pleasure. And thank you for having me. Yeah. Can 1233 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.079 you let people know where they can find you online or purchase your book? 1234 01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:51.680 Or are you writing a new book? Yeah, I'm actually I am writing 1235 01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:59.039 a new book. Thank you. Yeah, it's like when we're both put 1236 01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:05.680 our heads together here Dad Dada will so I'm actually my trap book The Metal 1237 01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:09.600 Project Explorations for the South is gonna walk around. You can find out on 1238 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:14.199 Amazon is type in Trey Hudson it'll pop up. You can go to Trayhouse 1239 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.359 and dash author. That's my Facebook page. I usually hang out there. 1240 01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:20.760 My new book is I haven't come up with a title yet, but it's 1241 01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:25.079 going to be broken into three point parts. One is Part one is call 1242 01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:30.039 Influences, where I'm investigating similar places of high strangeness in the United States. 1243 01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:33.880 So I've done some kind of cool research on that. I'm going to interview 1244 01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:38.239 some people that have had some unique experiences. The second part will be called 1245 01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:42.199 Explorations, which would be some of our further adventures into the meadow and other 1246 01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:45.920 places. The third part, and this is it's probably going to make your 1247 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.279 eyes roll back, is I hope to do some hypnotic digression with some of 1248 01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:53.560 my team members that have had some remarkable experiences. And also I've been talking 1249 01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:58.199 to a remote viewer who's willing to remote views on these experiences. So that 1250 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:01.319 third part would be called Revelation. It should be, uh, if nothing 1251 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:05.680 else, in an entertaining read. So I need to get my publisher off 1252 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:12.640 my back. Thanks so much, brother Josh, Weiss says, Uh, 1253 01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:15.399 Crawley draw Green Aliens in the early nineties, it wasn't a streamer, but 1254 01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:21.840 yeah, but it wasn't called Gray Aliens back when that was LAMB. Wasn't 1255 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:27.159 Babylon working out here, remember what it was? Thanks Joshua, Thanks, 1256 01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:30.520 thanks everyone for being here. I really appreciate your time. I uh to 1257 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.239 purchase Tred's books. I link is in the description. I had to recommend 1258 01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:38.359 it. Actually have his book downstairs. I didn't have a chance to bring 1259 01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:41.479 it up the show it to everyone, but it's a really intriguing book, 1260 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:44.760 and he actually has evidence to back up what he talks about. And hopefully 1261 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:45.960 one of these times I'm gonna get you on here and we're gonna be able 1262 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:51.359 to show that the evidence that that you captured. How did that show? 1263 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:57.399 Did that show work out? Yeah? That Trash and Burn? It's such 1264 01:41:57.399 --> 01:42:00.319 a it's such a pickle, you know, Holly Wood and television is such 1265 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:03.920 a fickle world. So right now, I'm I'm not under any kind of 1266 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:08.000 contract, so I'm deciding, you know, how do I want to release 1267 01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:13.000 this? And so yeah, a good yeah, let's bring you back on 1268 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:17.920 sometime in the future because I think the footage that you have is very compelling. 1269 01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:20.359 Don't know what it is, No one really knows what it is, 1270 01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:26.199 but it is definitely very interesting. Please check out his work and I want 1271 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:29.399 to bring it back on and we're gonna share that the footage with him at 1272 01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:31.680 the at All because it's really interesting stuff. Yeah, real quick. I'll 1273 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:35.199 be presenting at the Phenomenicon in a Vernal, Utah next week, so I 1274 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:38.960 will be showing some of those videos there, So if anybody's out there, 1275 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:43.439 gets stuff on saying how do you? Thanks so much, Drey, Thanks 1276 01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:45.560 everyone in the chat. Please be sure to hit the thumbs up button. 1277 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.720 I'll help the channel an algorithm. Sure subscribe at the Balletcon as well for 1278 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:53.680 notifications. I'll be back on Thursday with my series on UFO Doomsday Cults, 1279 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.840 Part eight. It'll be on the I Am Cult from the thirties. Stay 1280 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:00.079 well everyone, I'll see you guys next time.