WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:21.519 Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man, 2 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.679 I'm forty. Go ahead, make my day every single week. I 3 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:29.199 put my freaking heart and soul into this. I don't go out there and 4 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.520 laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's funny to me. I don't wanna go 5 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:36.280 out there and get embarrassed on Monday night football for everybody, I think this 6 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:40.640 is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from yesterday. 7 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.799 Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got the same thing 8 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.759 for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You play 9 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:56.359 to win the game. You don't play to just play it. That's a 10 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:00.640 great thing about sports. You play to win, and I don't care if 11 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.680 you don't have any wits. You go play to win. When you start 12 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:11.400 telling me it doesn't matter to retire, get out for the matters. Here 13 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:17.239 we go on a Tuesday. Welcome everybody to Exus and bros. La Meyer 14 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:21.000 hotline is always open for you eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty 15 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.040 three. Love to talk to you about whatever it is that's on your mind. 16 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:27.000 In the world of sports. You can text our program too Sports Radio 17 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:33.120 to twenty one thousand. You can follow us on Facebook at exus and Bros 18 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:40.280 and follow us on Twitter as well or x XB Mornings. Good Morning, 19 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:46.519 I'm Matt Shepherd. Trent Bally is our producer. Today and tonight is the 20 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:56.200 All Star Game. A Tiger found some Injustice. I believe yesterday one Terrek 21 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.079 School will not be starting the All Star Game. Guess is he's going to 22 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:07.680 be the second pitcher in Corbyn Burns of the Orioles. We'll start the All 23 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:14.680 Star Game. Not that he isn't worthy of consideration, he is. He 24 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:21.000 started nineteen games, same as Terrek Scooble. He's pitched more innings, He's 25 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:27.439 won one fewer game and lost one more game than Terrek'schooble. So he's nine 26 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.080 and four. ERA is right there with him. It's two point four to 27 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:39.199 three. He has thirty less strikeouts, four more walks, but also pitches 28 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.719 for the best team in the American League, at least right now. So 29 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:54.080 I think there are three reasons, three reasons why Corbyn Burns was selected over 30 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.639 Trek's Scooble. Tell me what you think here, there's my mindset. Number 31 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:10.400 one, he pitches for the best team in the American League Number two is 32 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:19.199 a career type move. Corbyn Burns makes his fourth consecutive All Star Game. 33 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.919 This will be the first time he ever starts and just the second time he'll 34 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.400 ever play. Twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, from what I can 35 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.479 tell, he did not play. He did play in twenty twenty one and 36 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:38.159 lost the game while he was a member of the Brewers. And lastly, 37 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:45.439 this might be a bit of a reach, and that is Attalie Rushman is 38 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:50.639 the starting catcher, so it's his teammate that might be the reason Bruce Bochi 39 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.719 is starting him. He becomes the fifth Orioles pitcher to start the Midsummer Classic, 40 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:03.159 in the first since Steve Stone back in nineteen eighty. Here's how the 41 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:11.280 American League lines up. Stephen Kwan leads off left field, Gunner Henderson behind 42 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:15.680 him, Juan Soto batting third, Aaron Judge batting cleanup, Jordan Alvarez batting 43 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:23.720 fifth, Jose Ramirez betting sixth, Vladimir Guerrero Junior batting seventh, Adlie Rushman 44 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:30.399 batting eighth, and Marcus Simeon batting ninth. That is a very sturdy lineup. 45 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:40.959 The National League behind Paul Skenes, features Katel Marte in the leadoff spot, 46 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:46.639 then shohe Otani trade Turner, Bryce Harper, William Contreres, Christian Nielich 47 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:53.480 alec Baum who had a nice night hitting home runs last night, Taoscar Hernandez 48 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:58.000 who won the home run hitting contest, and then Jerrikson profar I'll take the 49 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.839 American League starting lineup. Hernandez, by the way, he won the home 50 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:08.680 run derby out slugging Bobby Witt Junior. And Hernandez becomes the first Dodger to 51 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:14.839 win the award of the fourth oldest to ever win in his debut. Now, 52 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:25.439 we did not make the Schooble debate our poll question, and there's a 53 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.199 reason for that. We know what the answer would be, I mean, 54 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.560 and rightfully so, I mean, you're Detroit Tigers fans. It really didn't 55 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:41.199 make much sense. We did make it about the ESPN Plus document and the 56 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:47.360 quarterback rankings that we'll get to and where they rank, Where Jared goffranks, 57 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.480 where Matthew Stafford the ex line ranks. And that's part of our poll question 58 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.680 that we'll get to in a little bit. The pole question we gave you 59 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.639 yesterday was do you enjoy the whole run derby yes, no? Or don't 60 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:06.759 pay attention? And I suppose the last two could kind of coincide. But 61 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.040 the reason I put no and don't pay attention is no would be no, 62 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.319 I don't enjoy it. Don't pay attention would be well, I don't I 63 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.439 don't watch it at all. No, sometimes you're watching it for somebody else. 64 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:26.199 So there you go. We did not get to the final results of 65 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.680 the poll question from a couple of days ago, and that was which NHL 66 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:34.680 pitcher should start the All Star Game. This was from Friday. I put 67 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:44.560 Paul Skans, Chris Sale or other Trent who won that? I will check 68 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.839 on that right now as we're talking and check on that for me, will 69 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.199 you, and let me know what the final results are. Paul ran away 70 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:54.079 with it. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Paul Skeens 71 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.240 was gonna win it by a landslide. Here's here's what we want, and 72 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:02.000 I kind of alluded to this yesterday. We want power, right, and 73 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:09.959 we love the power pitchers, and I get it. It's interesting how a 74 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:15.959 lot of times baseball hockey in general get dissed because there's not enough quote unquote 75 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.079 scoring. Like I don't know about you, Trent. I love a I 76 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:25.519 can really appreciate a two to one hockey game or a one nothing hockey game. 77 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.199 It's interesting because I can do that, but I sure can't appreciate it 78 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.959 in a soccer match. And I suppose because in a soccer match you might 79 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:41.439 get might get three to four shots on net. You can see ten shots, 80 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:45.879 but how many are on net? Right? That's not happening in hockey. 81 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:47.560 Yeah, And I think the reason that hockey you can you can put 82 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.160 up with a low scoring affair a little bit is because that means there's probably 83 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:55.639 a lot of hitting. It's nasty, that's not they're scoring. There are 84 00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:01.639 scoring chances. Sure, there's a difference between scoring chances and you know, 85 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.319 just shots. Soccer you're just you know, you get ten shots, but 86 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.079 only three or four reached the net. That's boring stuff. Hockey, you 87 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:15.360 may get a two to one game, but you may have twenty eight shots 88 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.959 on net. The goaltender just made twenty seven saves. There's activity there, 89 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.480 there are people involved. That's what I like about it. In baseball, 90 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.519 a lot of people feel the same thing because there may not be enough action 91 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:37.360 for you, because a pitcher is dominating it. You're they're just blowing people 92 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.000 away. But we love it when Paul Skins throws six innings and strikes out 93 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:50.320 eleven or twelve. We love that Trek Schouble strikes out a career best thirteen 94 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:58.200 people. And that's cool. I do two. What's interesting, I think 95 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.159 is that we want the power pitchers. If you're going to give me a 96 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.200 low scoring game, might be the mindset of baseball fans. 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Exus and broads are out the Gray State of Michigan Monday through Friday 132 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:22.480 from six until nine. Meyer Hotline eighty sixty six eight three eight forty eight 133 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:28.519 forty three and you can text the program Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. 134 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:37.720 How far off am I on the Trek Scooble against Corbyn Burns' situation in starting 135 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:43.360 the All Star Game tonight? Now, I think there will be some who 136 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:50.200 believe, well, you know, the veterans deserve more consideration because there's more 137 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.759 opportunities for the young guys down the road. Okay, if you believe that, 138 00:12:54.840 --> 00:13:03.480 then why not Paul Skins? Why not Chris Sale starting instead of Paul 139 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:13.440 Skeins? Where's that argument? So I just don't. I haven't seen any 140 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:24.039 interviews with Bruce Bochie about this topic, but it is hard to deny the 141 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:30.519 merit of one Terrek Schooble. It really is. I mean, this is 142 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:37.279 a guy who has been I think it's hard for us to figure out what 143 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.440 must watch TV is. It used to be with Justin Verlander, right, 144 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.919 absolutely. I would say the same thing with Max Scherzer. There are certain 145 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.559 pictures. I mean, look, of course you're gonna have players, You're 146 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:58.960 gonna stop whatever you're doing to watch Aaron Judge hit Personally, I want to 147 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.679 watch Bryce Harper hit it. That's nothing against you, know, Alec Baum 148 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.519 or Nick Castianos or Trey Turner or j t Rilomuto when healthy, I want 149 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.759 to see Bryce Harper hit. Are there more than one guy? Is there 150 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.799 more than one guy in anybody's one specific lineup? Yeah, I'm sure the 151 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:26.120 Yankees. You know, when it's Juan Soto and Aaron Judge, then yeah, 152 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.039 you're you're gonna probably watch them in that lineup back to back. I 153 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.960 don't think people are doing that when, with all due respect to the to 154 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:45.200 the All Star Josh Naylor stands in Jose Ramirez. You bet Bobby Wood Junior 155 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.279 for me, yes, not just the at bat, but what else he 156 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.759 does? You know, I don't know if there's anybody like that with the 157 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:58.440 Tigers. So I ask myself, are you dropping whatever you're doing to watch 158 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.639 Tyrek scooble pitch? I think most Tigers fans are. I mean, if 159 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:11.360 you're watching the game, even at Comerica Park, most people are going to 160 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.559 go to the concession stands of the restrooms while the Tigers are hitting instead of 161 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:22.600 when Derek school is pitching. And I think Dad tells you something. Again, 162 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:28.840 all due respect to Corbyn Burns, who has having an All Star first 163 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.519 half of the season are pre We're past the midway point, so it's pre 164 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:39.159 all Star. Absolutely, he deserves to be there. It's a question of 165 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.919 whether or not he should be starting. And for me, I don't think 166 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.360 Baltimore Orioles fans are saying, hold on a second, I'm not going to 167 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:54.000 get a beer in this half inning because Corbyn Burns is pitching. They're going 168 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.200 to go out there when Corbyn Burns is pitching because they want to make sure 169 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.159 they watch Gunner Henderson hit or Adlie Rushman hit. That is not the case 170 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.600 with Tigers fans. Now, what you may argue is, hold on a 171 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:18.039 second. It's not Corbin Burns' fault that the Tigers don't have anybody worth sitting 172 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:26.840 down for and watching. Offensively, you're right, but it does lead to 173 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:33.039 the fact that this team, with this guy on the mound is must watch, 174 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:41.399 I believe. Tell me if you think you disagree and why I don't 175 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:48.480 think we should be overly upset. I'm just bringing up what I think is 176 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:55.679 a little bit of a miss, you know, an injustice here. I 177 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:03.279 understand it if you had somebody like Hadro Martinez back in the day and throwing 178 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:10.400 bullets and making sure you know he's en route to another cy Young. But 179 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.839 in this case, I mean, you could make the argument that Grayson Rodriguez 180 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:22.000 at eleven and four is having as good a year as Corbyn Burns. The 181 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:32.440 numbers don't necessarily outside of wins and quality starts, necessarily support that. When 182 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.079 you look at Terrek schoobl there is you can ask just about ask anybody who's 183 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:44.839 associated with baseball and ask them, who do you think is in line to 184 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.720 win the cy Young? Is Paul Sken's mentioned in that even though he's six 185 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:56.240 and zero, Absolutely he is probably doesn't win it over Aaron Nola or Chris 186 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:02.160 Sail right now, perhaps even Zach Wheeler at least right now, but he's 187 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:08.319 in the conversation. Trek Scubele is the front runner in the American League. 188 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:17.440 So that tells you what I mean, Come on now, what I was 189 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.519 about to say is I don't think Tigers fans should be offended in the sense 190 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.400 that, oh, Detroit's getting screwed again. I don't believe that's the case. 191 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:38.720 I just don't like when a player is punished for his team's lack of 192 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:44.000 success. That's exactly what I think it is. Shep the only logical argument 193 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.079 that I can see is that the Orioles are the best team in the American 194 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.400 League. And I hate that logic. I strongly dislike that logic. I 195 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.960 should say, because it's a starting pitcher, they have their own record. 196 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.000 It'd be one thing if it was a first base man and it's kind of 197 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.839 a toss up and you throw out the first baseman, who's you know, 198 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.680 playing for the best team in the American League. That would make sense to 199 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.519 me. But as you've kind of laid out here this morning, Schooble has 200 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:14.279 one more win, one fewer loss, a better eer, a lot more 201 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:21.519 strikeouts, and a better whip, right and war. Every stat he's better 202 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:26.799 in some closer than others. And and I guess, I guess the strikeouts 203 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:34.079 perhaps don't matter as much to me as the wins, the whip, and 204 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:41.400 the war. But he leads all American League pictures in wins above replacement. 205 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:48.599 Right, Okay, he leads all American pitchers in strikeouts. All I'm saying, 206 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:56.559 because you know, there's plenty of pitchers who are very skilled and deserving 207 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.480 of an All Star nod, but may not be strikeout pitchers. My point 208 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:06.279 is there is a phenom on the other side, and what makes Paul Schemes 209 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.960 so attracted or attract a bull for baseball fans. It's not the mustache. 210 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:17.119 I'm sure his hell is in the Pittsburgh Pirates uniforms. What is it. 211 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:21.839 It's his power, It's his ability to blow people away in the box. 212 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.559 You can't wait. Everybody's gonna want to watch him throw the first pitch. 213 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:33.119 Okay, Tarrek Schoubele is that guy for the American League. So if you're 214 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:40.359 gonna use that excuse, you're gonna use that logic on why you can't watch 215 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:45.000 one guy and why he should be on the bump, then Tarrek's Schooble gives 216 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:49.759 you the exact same reason to do the same thing for the American League. 217 00:20:51.039 --> 00:21:00.359 Youth electricity, watchability, excitement right now youth. Look, school's twenty seven, 218 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.319 right, so is it youth. It's not like he's twenty two like 219 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:11.319 Paul Schemes. But he's a great story. Career year two, Yeah, 220 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:18.880 it's a career year which again just because if you want to look Seth Lugo 221 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.400 is having a career year two, that doesn't mean I think he should start. 222 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.480 I'm talking about the whole ball of wax. Take it all in this 223 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:34.200 in the right context. Unfortunately we won't see him start, but we will 224 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.920 see him my guess be the second pitcher in for the American League, which 225 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:47.319 tells you Bruce Bochie was trying to figure out which one to start. It's 226 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:51.319 a good debate, it's a good conversation. Meyer Hotlines open for you. 227 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:53.440 Eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. Text the program to 228 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.440 twenty one thousand. That's Sports Radio twenty one thousand. This is ex'es and 229 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:02.599 bros. Ma. Sure for everybody who loves to grill, and we still 230 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:07.039 have a lot of summer left. Did you know? Meyer carry Certified Angus 231 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.880 beef. 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Together we can make 247 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:36.960 a difference huge Here for Vnandel Institute Purple Community Now there are grassroots fundraising network 248 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:41.440 powered by the volunteers who support viai's mission to improve health now and in the 249 00:23:41.480 --> 00:24:03.039 future. Learn more at Purplecommunity dot org. Cut Away, did you Trent? 250 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.039 Did you watch the Home Run Derby last night, I did. Okay, 251 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.880 did you see the national anthem performance? Yes, that was drawing quite 252 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:19.559 the star up on social media. I didn't see it, but I just 253 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:26.079 heard it was simply brutal, like among the worst they've ever heard. I 254 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:33.200 was trying to think of the worst I had ever heard and Roseanne Barr's rendition, 255 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:40.000 and a friend of mine reminded me Carl Lewis's rendition in case you ever 256 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:45.680 wondered last night's In that conversation, without a doubt, what do you think 257 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.759 the overall perception we know? Let me dive into basketball a little bit here. 258 00:24:51.279 --> 00:25:02.920 The overall perception of certain greats is intact Michael Jordan. The biggest complain 259 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.880 about Michael Jordan was, at least in our circles, keeping Isaiah Thomas off 260 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:18.440 the team. Nobody ever questioned how he wanted to compete for championships? Right? 261 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:23.680 Is that fair? Yeah? Okay? The gambling people would love to 262 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.640 know the issue with gambling and why he left basketball went to baseball. Had 263 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:33.839 no business making the Chicago White Sox, absolutely none. Was a terrible baseball 264 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.759 player. He just was. And that's okay because he's arguably the greatest I 265 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:45.079 think the greatest basketball player of all time, he's nowhere. You know, 266 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.039 he's not a two sports star stop that Deon Sanders was, Bo Jackson was, 267 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:56.160 Brian Jordan was anyway, names like you know, Bill Russell, Kareem 268 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.960 Abdul Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Larry Birt is some of the greatest of their 269 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:08.279 generations. There is really no doubt about how people felt about them. Okay, 270 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.319 and I'm talking when I say people, I don't mean fans. I'm 271 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:18.519 talking about others. Others in the game of basketball. Wanted to play with 272 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:29.759 them, knew what they were all about. Do you think the belief about 273 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:37.799 Lebron James's greatness is starting to wane a little bit? I'm gonna say no, 274 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.200 but I think I know what you're getting at. But shep the way 275 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.000 I viewed as the people that didn't like Lebron already are piling on with this, 276 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.240 with what you're about to get to, and those that have always liked 277 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.440 Lebron are in his corner. Well before I get to that, though. 278 00:26:52.720 --> 00:27:03.359 I mean, there's there's been plenty of x NBA players who have not necessarily 279 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:11.720 embraced or appreciated Lebron James's climb to the top. Charles Barkley's been critical of 280 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:22.039 it. There have been plenty of people who have wondered aloud on his motives 281 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:29.920 for doing things his power, but also his shortcuts, not from a personal 282 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:37.799 preparation standpoint, but from getting to teams. So John Stockton recently was on 283 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:49.079 a podcast and said, you know, Lebron James kind of stresses teams out. 284 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.559 He says, Lebron James took a helicopter to the top instead of climbing 285 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:06.839 to the top. That it would have been maddening as a teammate knowing that 286 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:14.000 you're already under a lot of stress, but it makes it even more stressful 287 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.200 knowing you could be replaced at any moment in favor of one of Lebron James's 288 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:26.000 guys, in which he calls the Lebron process, like Michael Jordan never did 289 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:32.000 that. Jordan was about tightening his belt and getting better as a team, 290 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:45.119 not taking shortcuts. That the legacy is being clouded a little bit. Remember 291 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:51.000 Barkley said of Lebron James, the struggle is part of your legacy. But 292 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.720 some NBA players say, you know, he's kind of the ultimate cheat. 293 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.160 He wants to be known as someone who climbs to the top, when really 294 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:07.599 he wants to be flown to the top in a helicopter. He doesn't do 295 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:14.960 himself any favors when most people believe he held the Lakers hostage. You want 296 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:22.440 me to resign here draft my son, which is really unfortunate because, like 297 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.519 I've said before, in the interviews I've seen with Bronni James, the name 298 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:34.160 just is unbelievable to me. But he's been very cordial, very respectful, 299 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.839 and dare I say grounded. Yeah, he's handled this as good or better 300 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.599 than you possibly could. Absolutely, he's a fifty fifth pick of the draft 301 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:55.200 and he gets a guaranteed four year contract. That never happens. Folks does 302 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:59.599 with the first round pick, but not a second and not a late second 303 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:06.319 either. It's ridiculous, it really is, But that's the Lakers choice. 304 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:11.599 That's what happens. Another NBA player, ex NBA player, Stephen Hunter, 305 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:18.519 former center, has come out and said the nepotism is ridiculous. Now, 306 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.119 I don't care who you are. You don't have to be an NBA scout 307 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:32.759 to have watched this young man, Ronnie James and recognize it would be an 308 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:38.599 uphill battle for him to reach the NBA. How many teams would he make? 309 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:51.319 Not many, So the pre draft process, at least a handful of 310 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:57.720 scouts said he's not an NBA prospect. Okay, he averaged less than five 311 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:03.480 points per game. Now, I look, I can sympathize and feel bad 312 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.279 for the kid hit cardiac arrest last summer. That didn't help him. I 313 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.759 get all that. I would love for him to go out and prove me 314 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.279 and other doubters wrong, just because of what I've recognized with him and how 315 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.720 he handles himself. I respect the hell out of that, I really do. 316 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.839 I mean, for a guy who could easily be a pompous, little 317 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.480 smart ass, what does he do. He goes out and he is respectful, 318 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.640 and like Trent said, he's handled the situation extremely well. There's a 319 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:38.960 lot of pressure on him. There's pressure on him at USC, but there's 320 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.799 pressure on a lot of kids, right if they want to reach their dream 321 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.799 and just a handful get that opportunity. But he is a guy you kind 322 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:56.480 of root for if he weren't Lebron James's son. They're going to be the 323 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.920 first father son duo to play in the NBA. At the same time. 324 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:07.880 That is this is not the Griffies. Folks, you remember Ken Griffy Junior 325 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.920 and Ken Griffy played in the same outfield in Seattle. Well, Ken Griffy 326 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.680 Senior was part of the Big Red Machine and was an incredible player. He 327 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.160 wasn't the equivalent to Lebron James in basketball by any stretch, but he was 328 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:25.559 an incredible player. Ken Griffy Junior was better than his father and was the 329 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:32.400 equal, if not better than Lebron James in his career. For some that 330 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.359 may be blasphemous, but if you truly look it up and you truly see 331 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:44.319 what Ken Griffy Junior did in his career and see how dominating he was and 332 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:49.599 how balanced he was, you would understand where I'm coming from. We're talking 333 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.920 about a Hall of Famer, an MVP, a thirteen time All Star. 334 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.599 We're talking about a home run derby champ three times over, a seven time 335 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.920 Silver Slugger, a ten time Gold Glover, an All Star, MVP, 336 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.279 Major League Player of the Year, and the guy who in his career hit 337 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:10.359 six hundred and thirty home runs. That's a lot. He's one of the 338 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:19.319 greatest players of all time. No doubt about it, defensively and offensively. 339 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:30.559 But Stephen Hunter has come out and taken Lebron James to task and rightfully. 340 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:36.799 So he's basically said, look, you did this. You're the one who 341 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:45.079 came out and forced this upon your son, and now what and now look 342 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:52.000 at what's happening. There's all kinds of pushback. I get it. I 343 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:59.000 totally get it, and I think other people do too. So I'm wondering 344 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:07.640 if Stephen Hunter is dead on. Here's what he said. For those that 345 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:13.719 don't know, late second round picks don't get guarantees, especially before the summer 346 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:21.199 league. Typically, late second round picks don't get four year guaranteed roster spot 347 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:27.840 deals either. This wasn't earned. I'm sorry, and it's an egregious abuse 348 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:35.280 of power from LBJ and Rich Paul, who's his agent or who's part of 349 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.440 his agency. It's a slap in the face to all of the kids out 350 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.239 there who work their asses off to get to the league. It's a sneaky 351 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:52.440 Hollywood blank like this that turns out a lot of people off about Lebron James. 352 00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.800 He continued, it's another example of what they may be talking about. 353 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:06.199 Right when you try to like him. This is why most people prefer Jordan 354 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:13.360 or Kobe over him, because you know, at least Jordan or Kobe going 355 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.440 to be straight shooters. Trust me, Jordan could have gotten one of his 356 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:22.719 sons in the league if he chose to abuse his power like that. Not 357 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.800 taking anything away from Browny, nor am I upset at him. Just know 358 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:32.719 that this is a manipulation of our league and the integrity of what it truly 359 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:40.960 takes to get there. Well said dead on, But how many people will 360 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:52.480 remember? Remember many people thought this too. The younger James was invited to 361 00:35:52.559 --> 00:36:00.360 at least ten pre draft workouts. Do you know how many he attended to 362 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:08.599 the Lakers and the Suns? And most people would tell you that is by 363 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:17.480 design. Now here's the negative part of my personality coming out. You ready, 364 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:25.559 how many people are going to remember that we work with somebody who I 365 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:32.599 know who just she and her boyfriend just love Lebron James. Why I don't 366 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.760 know, but I absolutely love him. I suppose the greatness right. Anytime 367 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.559 you watch a great player, it's easy to gravitate toward that player. But 368 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.920 then I try to be as consistent as possible, and it's not easy, 369 00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:55.159 especially with sports. But then don't complain about people who manipulate certain parts of 370 00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:02.079 life. Do something for their children or their friends, because first of all, 371 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:07.239 we all do it. That's number one. But number two, and 372 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:14.079 then support somebody, root for somebody, talk that person up when they do 373 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:20.320 the same thing that you despise. So this is a person who has complained 374 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.599 before about nepotism left and right, but it will go out and buy Lebron 375 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.840 James jersey. To me, that makes absolutely no sense. To me, 376 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:37.360 that's the ultimate hypocrisy. You're telling people one thing, you're doing something differently 377 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:45.480 about a guy who is exactly who you despise. Now, again, I 378 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.800 try not to hold this against the kid. Have you watched him at all 379 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:58.119 in the summer league. It's hard to watch. Doesn't shoot well, isn't 380 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:04.280 fast enough to drive, isn't strong enough to body up. It's it's a 381 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:09.400 it's a work in progress. I suppose, I doubt. I mean, 382 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.719 there's gonna be a time there there's gonna be a time where JJ Reddick is 383 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:21.280 going to put the two on the floor together in a regular season game. 384 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.159 It's gonna happen, you know that, right. It may even happen opening 385 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:31.519 day to appease his superstar. That's what's gonna happen. Now, this is 386 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.599 a fine line because there are a lot of superstars. I think it's happened 387 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:44.960 more recently than it has in the past. There's been plenty of superstars who 388 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.559 have gotten their way for whatever reason. Let's say it's about a certain coach. 389 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:55.440 Let's say it's about a certain player acquired. Let's say it's about a 390 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.679 certain hotel to stay on the stay at on the certain things like that, 391 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.440 Michael Jordan keeping Isaiah off the Dream Team. Yeah, that's what I said, 392 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.559 Yeah about Isaiah. But it wasn't just Michael Jordan. You know, 393 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.360 Chuck Daily didn't do anything about it. Everybody blames Jordan, and I do 394 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.639 too. The difference is I attached two other names to it who were supposedly 395 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:27.800 friends of Jordan, who were supporters of Jordan, but ended up really stabbing 396 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:32.360 him in the back. Jordan did it, but people knew Jordan and Thomas 397 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.360 didn't get along, the worst part of that is that Michael, that Magic 398 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.840 Johnson and Chuck Daly didn't stand up for their friend and the person who brought 399 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:52.199 them two titles. They didn't do a damn thing about it. We always 400 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.800 blame Jordan, and I get it, I do too, but link the 401 00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.960 other two part of it. See, we in Michigan won't do that. 402 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:07.000 You know why, because Magic Johnson's one of us. He's a lancing Everett 403 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:13.280 guy. He won a championship in Michigan State in nineteen seventy nine and he 404 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:20.280 made quote unquote us proud and he still represents too. But he is a 405 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.480 spartan, so we won't see a thing about it. We won't do anything 406 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:29.320 about it with Chuck Daily either, because Chuck Daily brought the Pistons their first 407 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.800 championships, so we don't want to spoil that. So what's easy to do, 408 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.119 Well, it's easy to blame the guy who was part of Detroit's rival. 409 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.599 It's easy to blame the guy who didn't respect our team in the first 410 00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:50.199 place. Sure, I've done it too. I blame Jordan all the time, 411 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:59.679 but I also blame Magic Johnson and Chuck Daily. I think it sickens 412 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.639 me that those two, I don't want to say, covered it up, 413 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:10.960 but weren't willing to stand up and say, listen, that dude deserves to 414 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.760 be on this team. I know what people will say. There's a lot 415 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:21.679 of guys who didn't like him, Karl Malone, for example. There's a 416 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.239 lot of guys who didn't want him on the team because of how he handled 417 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:34.840 certain situations. Absolutely, Why in the world wouldn't you have held Michael Jordan 418 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:40.760 to the same type of standard and how he handled things saying derogatory things about 419 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:46.119 the Pistons? What about Magic Johnson when he shoved Isaiah Thomas and had some 420 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.119 hard follows. So what, It's part of basketball, at least back then 421 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.199 it was. But we won't say a damn thing about it. Oh, 422 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.960 I can't do that. I don't want to. I don't want to say 423 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:05.039 anything derogatory about my precious Magic Johnson or my precious Chuck Daily. 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