We'll do live the apprehension of the bos Brothers. Ed Manaprow. Hey,
here we are. It's November. It's not yet Thanksgiving, but we give
thanks for being here with you. We're glop culture. I'm John Podhorns in
New York with Rob Long in New York, Hi, Rob, Hi John,
And in Washington Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah Hey John, so la
Hi. Last time we did this, I don't think there was a war
on. There is now a war on. And of course everybody always asks
this question, can you be funny when there's a war on? And the
obvious answer is, well, if you weren't funny before, why would you
be funny now? So we will just be ourselves and it's gonna be up
to you to decide whether or not we are funny, because this is the
business that we have chosen. Right, so you're doing that? That uh
uh meyer Lansky? What's his name? In the what? What? What?
What? What? What was that supposed to be? It's like he
had a he had a he had a a schmick and his gimme a dung.
And I said to myself, this is the business we've chosen. I
didn't ask who gave the order because it had nothing to do with business.
Okay, he had make it his gimmer dung. Yeah, so he had.
He had, he had a Cuban sandwich and it did not agree with
him. Didn't know nicol. But you have to admit that it was quite
an acting coup because it's fifty years later and you remember Lee Strasburg going,
you know, in that scene, no one had ever gone in the middle
of dialogue in a scene before. That's like, well, there's a lot
of things no one's ever done the middle of dialogue before. That doesn't make
it. That just makes it weird. I don't you know. It was
weird, but it was incredibly memorable. And of course, the interesting thing
about Lee Strasburg giving this indelible performances that he was the most famous acting teacher
of his time, the man who taught Marilyn Monroe, the man who taught
Brando, the man who brought Stanislavsky to America. But no one had ever
seen him act because he was a teacher, not an actor, and so
there was a lot of eh, what does he know? And he got
I guess everyone everyone watched this. Yeah, right, you say this about
Lee Strasbourg. But it was like one of the biggest f yous ever that
he comes out at the age of sixty five or something out of nowhere and
gives one of the most famous performances in history. And then, as you
and I discussed, as you and I discussed only a few years we're talking
about Cinnacle because you and I discussed just a few years later how he gave
this beautiful performance in the incredibly underrated movie Going in Style, in which he,
Art Carney and George Burns play three retirees and queens bored to death,
sick of their lives, who decide to knock over a bank and then going
bared to death. Welcome glop listeners. This is the way. This is
the way. So Okay, you're in a very weird mood here, Ron,
I don't understand this. You're you're no ending me, You're no budding
me. All podcasts are yes and exercises and improvisation. I don't even agree.
That's the worst part of improv is the yes and yeah okay, because
I'm about to mute myself. So like, we had a dispatch meet up
in New York yesterday, and it might as well have had a sub chapter
of as a Glop meet up because there were so many people asking me about
laps up, lots of people concerned how John is doing. I said,
John's fine and uh one of the uh and and several people said that they
were completely fine with the fact that we're basically turning into three out Thecaccas at
Barney green Grass and I was just at green Grass. I rest my case.
It's true. It's funny because it's true, funny because it's true.
I gotta I have a have an email friend who loves to play the game
of did you spot this actor who's in the background of this movie? Kind
of thing with it? And i' this guy for a while and he's a
huge fan of glop. He just had bypass surgery and uh, and he
came out of his recovery to email me to say, can you please tell
John Pedora's that frank Oz is not the guy in the Blues Brothers who says
authorization to use extreme violence is granted or whatever. Frank Oz is the prison
guard who checks out Jake in the beginning of the movie, and he was
so moved by this that he actually violated doctor's orders. So he could have
me convey this to you because apparently you said this on the commentary podcast.
Okay, so we are we are we're crossing the streams and you are not
across the streams. So Jonah, when he said this to you, did
he say, please tell John PRIs. I'm now going to look up who
it was, because I think it was probably some other famous director because there
are all these directors in the Blues Brothers that John Land has put in the
Blues Brothers, because there's nothing more hilarious than a cameo by a director that
really gets you're right there in the funny bone. To know that he was.
So you guys talk while I look up who it was because it's how
was the dispatch meetup? But I didn't get it. I didn't get that
in my as a dispatch member, I didn't. I didn't receive the invitation
a few times in various products maybe we had we wet, you're not you're
not listening to the products we get some the uh the it was great,
great bunch of people gratifying all that stuff. Not the best plan all on
all because it was a debate watching party. Oh yeah, where like Steve
and I didn't do our riffs until after the debate, So you're hanging around
till ten o'clock at night, and people got there, you know, depending
on you know, three two to three to four hours earlier, and and
we got went past seating capacities. There are people standing all that time.
But we didn't get a single complaint from anybody. It was just it was
just never going to do a debate watching thing unless we're on the West coast,
because then the timing kind of works. That makes sense. That makes
sense. Also until there's just a different bunch of candidates. How about that
that would work too. I have really good news for you guys, because
the name of the actor who played the police dispatcher is one of the great
names of all time. Though he is not a film director, his name
is Ralph Foodie f O O d Y, and he is the one who
says use of unnecessarily violence in the act has been approved. Ralph Foodie,
we we I. I hope you're still alive. If you are still alive,
we congratulate you on your brilliant line reading and on your excellent, excellent
name. The Ralph Footie Ralph foot also the guy I just looked him up.
You know in Home Alone, where the Macaulay Halkin kid plays the clip
from the Mobster movie, or the guy shooting people in the one in the
Plaza Hotel. That's Ralph Footie. Ralph Footie is an indelible American performance,
a man, a legend, and we are making him a legend as we
speak. Not only I mean I'm learning so much here. Not only was
he in Angels with Thirty Faces, he was something called which I've of course
heard of, that's the James Cagney movie. But he was also I'm hoping
this was actually a sequel because they were just trying to monetize. He's also
in something called Angels with Filthy Souls. Sounds like a child. We're talking
about a timespan. This is a man with a historic career. Angels with
Dirty Faces, if I'm not mistaken, was made in the late thirties,
Brothers Blues Brothers in nineteen eighty and Home Alone too, I think like ninety
one. This is his career. Space the twentieth century. He saw nothing
for the President of television and the telephone and space is how old a gentleman
is he? Or is he has he already gone to his reward to the
great. You don't feel like you'd know he would have thatched her in the
sky. Yeah, where is his age? Let's see, Well you're looking
that up. I found out. I want to apologize the listeners who are
expecting a more exacting, factual repretage on this podcast. Yeah, all two
of you. Angels with fifty Filthy Souls is the made up movie that Oh,
there we go, Angels with Filthy Souls. This cast list of the
Blues Brothers. There are like five thousand people in the Blues Brothers. This
is like a nightmare. It's like a needle in a haystack trying to find
Ralph Foodie's name. So I'm gonna try it another way. But I looked
at it. Ah didn't make it to Y two K. Yeah, that's
that's really that's really sad. But he did span the twentieth century like a
colossus, and I think we need to pay him tribute. I think there
are other actors with excellent, excellent names that we could pay tribute to as
well. One of my favorites was a a Yiddish theater actor who then went
on to be in the movies. And in Star Trek episodes perhaps more important.
And his name was David Opatoshu, not open Toshu, but O,
and he was like, I can't remember he was an elder or something on
some episode of Star Trek, but he was. He was in Exodus,
and he was in various other things. And though his name sounded Japanese,
he was in fact an actor of the Yiddish theater David Opa Toshu, who
I think we deserves credit for having an excellent name. If he if he
was in a store and you were in a store and you said, the
guy is there, where do I buy an open to shoe, he would
go, yeah, over here, no one of those I think exactly.
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but as iPort, you describe the technology wrong, it's it's that exactly.
Do have a SAG minimum and a SAGA maximum. That's what makes them
so comfortable they are. Basically they have a right. I would just like
to say that it's my belief that towards the end of his storied life,
a life that spanned the twentieth century that had the highs of angels with dirty
faces to the lows of angels with dirty souls, that by the end of
his life, Ralph Foodie had achieved SAG maximum. I'm sure that's that's just
I think something that we need in our memorialization of him. And unfortunately,
to be fair, there were probably some sag residuals. You know. See,
that's how you yes, and right, I know how you do it.
Yes, Oh, I know, I know. I'm familiar with with
the technique. I just choose. Yeah, you're right, that's how you
choose to neg. You just choose to neg. Like vivek Ramaswami, who
chooses to nag by saying, don't let you Oh you let your kid watched
TikTok. So I want to ask Joe, what is that really pissed me
off? It was her twenty five frickin year old married daughter who had been
on TikTok. It was the lamest friggin' attack. But here here's my point
in the annals of rhetoric. Okay, we have friends Romans country and lend
me your ears. We have uh, those who are abed in England tonight
will think themselves a curse that they were not here. We have. Let
you know that was Let you know the government of the people for the people,
by well shall not perish from the earth. And ask not what your
country should do for you, but what you should do for your country,
and you're just scum. I believe Nikki Haley may have achieved Periclean funeral oration
levels of immortality by saying you were just scum. I believe that until the
day he dies, once a day somebody is going to go up to vivek
Ramaswami and say, and boy, will he deserve it, and his campaign
slogan in twenty sixty will be vivek Ramaswami not just scum. It was a
dazzling moment in as as we go into the decline and fall of the American
empire, let it be said that Donald Trump's rhetorical destruction of the heights of
American politics at least had this one glorious moment to it. When Nicki Haley
felt free to call the vek Ramaswami scum on national television, we will take
the news for both of them, he said, nobody was watching last night.
Do we have ratings? I got a they haven't been corrected, But
the FLASHYG guy was that they were pretty low. It's interesting because they were
the first one that was actually on a broadcast network like it was on It
was on NBC. Broadcast Network and she won. So the so the first
poles say, which I think is right. But it's Neilism time here on
the four thirty movie because who cares doesn't matter. Trump's gonna win. I
don't know what they're doing there because neither of them, neither she nor DeSantis,
is going to be vice president. I guess they're just spending the money
they raised. Or maybe Trump will get hit by a truck and then they'll
be left over and they can like run and see who wins or something like
that. But I mean, come on, does anybody now think? Yes,
I know people, I could make an argument. People are making the
argument that someone else can be the Republican nominee. Yeah, does anybody really
believe it? I believe it? Yes, that would I bet, Like
would I like to put my money where? Like? Do I think it's
gonna happen? No? I mean I think he's going to be the nominee.
But I'm not as positive as you are about it. I think there's
a there is a chance. Non negative, I'll call it negative. But
yes, I take your point. I mean I was saying too. Uh,
I'm not as convicted as you are, as convinced as you are.
Yeah, you're you're shades of John Candy explaining if they had been in Germany
he would have won the poker game because they're in Italy. Yeah, I
take your point. Look, take your point. You know what is going
to be big. But like you know, so like I've had I've made
this point for a very long time about the Democratic and Republican parties, and
we don't need to dwell on the punditry because there's so much more enjoyable thing
to talk about. But like, both parties exist because they hate the other
one. So if if one party dies, the other party loses its reason
to live. And it feels to me, like you talk to Democrats away
from cameras, the certainty that Biden's going to be the nominee is not as
there as you might think, right, And if Biden's not the nominee,
I'm not sure that Trump is not any If Trump's not the nominee, I'm
not sure Biden's no nominee. I think there's this kind of like weird stalemate
because sixty to seventy percent of the people of the American people don't want either
of them to run and I keep going back to the Howard Dean thing.
In two thousand and four, I went and looked at like, what the
where the punitry was, including from you know, smart people like Stu Rothenberg.
They were all convinced Dean had it sewed up. And then a bunch
of people in Iowa on caucus night were like, really, we really think
we can win with this guy. I mean, I know that John Kerry
is a human toothache, but you know he's got the military thing, and
they voted for John Carrey. Dean didn't win anything right until Vermont. I
think he won, and so the psychology I still think can change, but
we should be you know, I think, to be honest, he's you
have to bet these that he has incredibly strong odds to be the nominee and
he could win. It's I don't think he could win. Not that I'm
saying that he will win, but I'm saying that the assigning this as a
hey, you know, he could even win is the wrong tone, like
he has even odds to win. You know, if Christopher Pike were in
the machine and eighty and rolling around drooling, that's Biden. So I don't
know. I don't know. I'm in despair, beyond belief. It's obviously
been a tough month. The war in Israel is taking it out of me
emotionally. But I I look, and then I see every moment at which
it's possible that this could be turned around, because the Democrats could say,
oh my god, what are we doing. We can't run with this guy,
something has to be done about it. Then there's an election like there
was this Tuesday night where they do okay, and therefore they say themselves,
well, you know, we're kind of doing okay, and he's at the
top of the ticket, and I don't know what message makes if he goes
off the ticket, So what are we going to do them? Everyone says
they don't want him, but they don't want Trump either, and Trump's you
know, going to be convicted, and and so then that Diosex Machina of
the Democrats saying, oh my god, we're headed for disaster. Let's get
this. You know, two hundred and seventy five year old crook out of
our way isn't going to happen either. So, I mean, John,
this is why I'm cutting myself. I mean, I know, I didn't
know that you were cutting yourself and I'm sorry. I'm really sorry to hear
it. I don't I think you need new coping skill. Speaking of coping
skills, I can't pay attention to anything on tele because the war is consuming
the war and everything that's going on is consuming my attention too much. Is
anybody watching anything that you can can can recommend because people need distraction. And
the only thing I'm watching because I'm watching with my son is Loki, the
second season of Loki, and it sucks so badly. It stinks at a
level that a three week old fish, you know, left outside the Wayne
Scott fish store would stink. So I'm just asking you, is there something
else that people might want to alas. I'm reluctant to agree with you about
Loki because I want it to be good, but so far it's really it's
it's not good. First season was good, so I guess you get good.
Look six episodes. You can't complain you got six good episodes. Don't
look a gift horse in the mouth. But I will say my wife and
I we are enjoying Bosh Legacy, which is the spin off from Bosh.
It's really not bad and on the train ride today back from New York,
I started watching jen v Oh, which is the spin off from the Boys
on Amazon Prime. Yes, and uh again not family viewing, but I'm
you know, it's it's it's enjoyable and terrible in all the ways the Boys
is. But I really liked watching The Boys. I love the Boys.
So I this is just the problem of my my inability to to focus.
So Rob, this is your business. This is what you do for a
living. This is the thing that you can break down like a molecular biologist
dealing with, you know, micro organism. So isn't there something that you
can tell the people that they nobly not? How about? Because that's the
only thing I was able to watch for ten minutes. I was just changing
the channel and there was the scene on showtime of Hyman Roth and Michael in
the hotel room talking about Moe Green and I my hand froze and as I
was switching between CNN and MSNBC or whatever, and there it was like,
this is what life, This is what makes life worth living. You hit
The Godfather, The Godfather Part two, and you're like, what else is
there? Like I don't really need to see anything else? Ever, this
is as good as it gets. But if you can't just watch those rob
nothing, you got nothing. Well, I mean, I'm watching I have
one more episode to go of the French thing Loupan, which I like.
I don't like this one as much. But I also feel like the season
of Lupan right because I watched the first and it was pretty good. Second
season well, it's like the first season was sort of two parts and then
this is like the third part. Okay, you know, I actually feel
like we watched too much. I think that this is when, when this
stuff is going on in the world, it's kind of better not to have
a TV on. I think you're not going to learn anything. There's no
news on the television. There's nothing you need to know on TV. You
don't need to stay abreast of any news. You can just catch up with
it really every three or four days of the newspaper. If you want sitting
quietly and reading the reading a book like a mystery novel is I think the
only real balm if you're looking for relief from this. The part of the
the agony of all of this terrible news is just that we have to watch
it all the time, and like I and where I said, and where
I'm standing. Sometimes I have to hear it because I'm not that far away
from Washington Square Park and not that far away from the corner of the News
School on Fifth Avenue fourteenth Street. So I often hear the young people who
is for whom someone is spending tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars
for them to get educate, to get the college college degrees from NYU,
and the new school spouting inanities or a historical non facts. So the best
thing to do is to could put on a pair of noise canceling headphones.
I recommend Bose. They're not, by the way, a sponsor, but
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read. So I am I'm gonna say that part of the ajitah and the
anxiety and the misery is coming through the screens that we are now addicted to,
that we feel entitled to and we feel like, well, I should
be able to look at a screen and be able to see something that's relaxing
and know all that has been that screen has been toxified and just pick up
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this and get a little earnest just for a second. But I don't have
that luxury because things are in fact happening fast and furious all over the country
and all over the world that are very Jewish specific like, and they're happening
every two hours. So Concordia University in Montreal, you never heard of it,
thank god, and you should never hear from it again. So some
kid calls another kid, a kike at Concordia University. And that's a three
miles down the road. Three miles down the road. The previous evening,
someone throw molotov cocktail at a synagogue in Montreal. This may not be this
may not be accurate what I'm about to say, but I did see it
because I saw it on Twitter, so so it could be alive. But
the most remarkable thing about the guy who killed the guy in California with a
megaphone and the woman that you said that the kid at the Concordia whatever,
that ridiculous universities. They were not students, they were college professor. She's
a professor. Yes, yeah, So it's not about the kid. I'm
just saying that the incidents themselves are coming at a blistering pace, you know.
But they'll wait, they'll wait a couple of wait, seventy two hours.
My I'm gonna side with pod And you know, I don't normally said
with pot on things in here, mostly because that's my role of the heel.
But so I he used to use this analogy a lot when I was
trying to explain to people why I made I made such a stink about Trump
and what was happening to conservatism And I think it applies even better to Pod
than this. Right. So there's an episode of Spencer for Hire where Spencer
meets this woman who's been a fugitive from justice because she was sort of like
Patty Hurst type who got caught up with some bank robbers, and she was
a fugitive because the security guard tried to stop the bank robbery and got shot
and killed, and so she became a fugitive for homicide. Right our accom
accomplished a murder. And she's like saying to Spencer, why did that security
guard have to get in the way. We didn't want to hurt anybody.
And Spencer gives this little speech where he says, maybe it's because he took
people's money for lots of days where he had nothing to do, and where
he was there to be a reassurance and a security guard, an insurance policy
against bad things happening, and he felt honor bound to do what was required
of him when there was actually a need for him at the bank. Commentary
exists for this moment. We've been sitting on a stool looking for like examples
of anti Semitism which have been around but like not worthy of, like freaking
out about for the last ten years, and then this thing happens. This
is the bank robbery that the security guard feels they have to get up.
Why have commentary if not for this moment. We did publish several superb articles
by you in the in the Get and Rob every month. No, but
you know what I mean. I'm glad you mentioned Spencer for hire because I
don't want to talk about the show, but I would like to say that
Rob is right that there are times when you are in desperate straits when you
wanted just to sit down and sit down with like a mystery novel or something,
and really those first ten or fifteen Robert Parker Spencer books, you are
just not going to have a better time reading a And they're pretty good intact,
they are really, really, really good, and they're short, so
they come at you real fast, and like this anecdote, it indicates they
are morality tales and Spencer the whole point about Spencer is that he is the
last moral man in a very corrupt Boston and he is always struggling to do
the right thing. So they're very moving and move worth the reading. But
I do want to say, ask you this about all these analogies. So
this stuff is just coming and coming and coming coming, And of course everybody
in the Jewish community and probably other people as well, are like, what
the this country was attacked? You know, five thousand people were killed or
injured, and that ignites anti Semitism worldwide, Like shouldn't this ignite like sympathy?
What on earth is going on? And I am telling you right now
we are going to be finding out over the next six months. And you
guys know that I am the opposite of a paranoid, delusional person who thinks
that there are connections between everything, but not the opposite. But yeah,
I'm pretty close to being I do not believe. I do not say secret
networks, thank you, But stuff is going on here that was activated by
October seventh, that has simply been happening too fast and in too many locations
and with too much speed and accuracy and effectiveness for this all to have been
spontaneous. I don't mean that, you know, somebody in gutter is pressing
a button and then a robot. You know, it's like call someone and
says the woods are lovely, dark and deep and then they are robot tied
in like upon and then they go Charles Browntony the world. Yeah, I'm
just saying that this. For twenty years, there's been this world of leftist
activists. They have been building up their networks and their abilities to mobile each
other with a phone call or a tweet or or you know, a series
of tiktoks or something like that, and it is happening everywhere, and it
is a dazzling example of why everything that has happened in the last twenty years
is evil. I'm like, everything I want to think is good about the
phone and the Internet and Facebook and social media. You can get information a
typical the touch of a fingertip and you can do that. And then the
Lotites or the philosophical lot it's like Christine Rosen and others who are saying,
no, no, no, that's all a bluff, that's all just the
cherry on top of the septic tank. And I mean, what we're seeing
here is really making that argument that we we are being we are being drawn
into a larger world and being manipulated in this larger world by people who are
siding with eliminationist, genocidal monsters. And their goal is to turn it around
and see that the victims are elimination as genocidal monsters. And it's not really
working. The polling still shows seventy percent of American support is real, but
it's working enough, and it's at least working enough to be pushing a lot
of people's buttons who are crazy. And then go out and while people are
walking in to see a screening of the Horrors at the Museum of Tolerance in
LA they're throwing punches at them as they walk into the Museum of Tolerance,
like this is a new thing, something new that built off of Howard Dean
and various other things has now come to fruition, and we had better be
we had better start figuring out how we're going to handle this, because it's
going to happen again and again and again, and not just to Jews.
So I agree with all of that to one extent or another. I do
think, just to pick up on one point, I think it is fascinating
this thing that you see all over the place about the what you mentioned this
screening, you know, it's this footage from the attacks. It is this
bizarre thing where people are saying hamas was completely justified in what it was doing,
that this was a breakout of an open air prison, and all this
bs right, and that violence and resistance to set colonialism is justified in all
forms. Blah blah blah blah blah. But how dare you say that they
raped anybody? How dare you say they killed any kids? And how dare
you say that their own go pro footage isn't propaganda? Right? I mean
they want to say that the evidence of what they're what they're refusing to condemn,
is a lie. And it's this weird sort of we want to have
it both ways. We want to say Hamas did nothing wrong, but how
dare you, you know, point out the wrong things that they did.
It's it's it's a weird tension, and the fact that they get away with
it at all it is kind of fascinating. It was remarkable how quickly it
just like by October eighth, the biggest concerns were, you know, there's
gonna be a lot of Islamophobia out there now. That was pretty much like
if you say, well, you know, in October seventh, they kind
of chopped people's heads off and they did all this stuff that pretty bad and
they killed families like the Manson family Times twenty ran into like a, well,
that's islamophobic. It's all of the death. All of the defenses were
so hilariously I mean hilariously in the dark ironic sense, I mean in the
darkly comic sense, twisted and distorted that even even the language we may just
walk by today was walking down and there was the big protests in front of
the New School and just like even the language is just like this kind of
elaborate, academic, ornate kind of language that that they the people in the
bullhorns, just that it's like it's like it's been scripted by some you know,
AI machine. It doesn't sound you know, it's like when you get
a junk man, you know, you get spam and it's like, clearly
you know your count Apple has been compromised. Now must press and you know
it all said like it's obviously some of you doesn't speak English has written this
and is like trying to get you to, you know, give them your
password. It has that feeling to it doesn't feel like they're that they are
really saying they know what they're saying, or they are saying anything or that
they're any behind any of this. It's like they could point out Gaza on
a map. It's like a It's like a drama exercise. And I think
that we've created that in this culture because we've decided that the most important thing
for you to do is to feel and to emote and to share, because
we've spent twenty years feeling and emoting and sharing and maybe shuting up and keeping
silent is something that we should be encouraging. I like the Harvard protesters who
would be the die in who complain that people were stepping over them and because
that made them feel unsafe. But I mean, you know, part of
the joke here is that we've spent ten years talking about the threat of the
microaggression. The microaggression is a very deep problem, makes people feel bad,
makes them feel unsafe. By definition, a microaggression is not as bad as
a macro aggression. You know what a macroaggression is. A guy in the
New York on New York City Street just happened just now. His protest is
talking about the kidnap posters or something, and somebody comes and smashes a chair
over his head for being Jewish. That's a macrogress. Guess what's worse the
macro aggression. Guess what's worse Having a megaphone thrown in your face and then
you hit your head on the paved and die. That's worse than someone in
a classroom saying niggardly and then someone says, oh, I think I thought
you said the N word, and now I feel terrible. You should lose
your job. Everything is turned around backward. The symbolic is more important to
these people than the actual, The little is more important to these people than
the big. And it's like an attempted genocide was perpetrated in Israel on October
seventh, and now the claim is, oh, there might be Islamophobia in
America if things that there already was jewophobia active in five thousand people getting killed
and wounded in a country of nine million, Like, this is not how
you think about things, right, we don't. You're thinking about them wrong,
and you're doing it on purpose in order to evade the meaning of what
happened and to suggest who is responsible. So it's like, yeah, go
ahead, sorry, I mean I agree with it. I agree that I
think two things. One, you know, I've been saying for a long
time now that there's this view on college campuses, the campus left thinks that
speech they don't like is violence, but violence they like is speech, right,
and so that gets it some of this. But then the other thing
is, I'm I mean, I agree with you. Macroaggressions, which is
another word for just violence. Yes, should be condemned in a free society,
right, that's why we have criminal laws and whatever. But like,
the thing that bothers me more in some ways is the inherent anti semitism of
having two different standards for different microaggressions. Right, So if you misgender someone,
that is violence. That is something that get you sent to counseling or
suspended or whatever. But if you yell gas the Jews, people are like,
well, you know you have to understand the context. Was like you
can't have like, can't have a master hard drive, right, or can't
say master bedroom because that's you know, evokes visions of slavery. But you
can say we need to liquidate the Zionists, Like if you have a free
speech policy on campus that says all forms of bigoted speech except for bigoted speech
against Jews, all forms of triggering speech, accept speech against Jews, all
endorsement of violence of any kind is reboten unless it's endorsement of violence against Jews.
Then you're by their own standard, the very logic of structural racism says
that they are structurally anti Semitic. And it's just it's so glaringly obvious and
it drives me to the point of distraction at times watching it. Right,
And you know, these were interesting debating arguments for the last ten years,
Like we had wonderful debates about them and interesting articles, and I published great
polemics on them. And Jonah has written a column a week practically on this
subject in some fashion now for going on a decade, right, and it's
all very interesting. And now people are getting hurt and killed in real time
in front of us, and the people who were making these bad arguments are
still making the bad arguments instead of going like proof, that is not what
I meant at all, That is not it at all. Like I just
meant that we shouldn't dubblah blah blah blah, but geez, people are getting
killed. I better stop now until things are And they're not stopping, they're
accelerating, which is why I'm saying to you that there is something else going
on. There is a meta structure, and I'm not again, not a
paranoid meta structure where there is a puppet master controlling it, but rather a
mindset that has been linked together through the Internet packet system to make it possible
for there to be multiple in incidence of minor violence happening independently in forty cities
on the same afternoon. That is saying to my people, go inside and
hide and protect your children, and take off your key pote, and take
your mug and da VID and put it under your shirt in case somebody is
going to come up and hit you with a baseball bat. Like this is
not theoretical anymore. This is not you know, the kind of thing that
only happens, you know, it's like plane crashes, Like, oh,
you should fly on a plane. It's really safer than driving in a car.
And you're being irrational by worrying about it. No one is irrational in
America right now, worrying that they might be a victim of anti Semitic violence
if they are somehow identifiable as a Jew. And that listen to what I'm
saying, that this is the case. I mean, I can't believe I'm
saying this. I ran and I went to a protest not protest for missing
for the kidnapped people a couple of days ago, and on the line to
get into the rally, I run into a very very left wing rabbi,
very left wing, a woman I've known for a long time ran the JCC
here in Manhattan, is a reconstructionist rabbi nice. Obviously, our politics are
unbelievably dissimilar. And she's i would say, not good on Israel and has
bad views on a lot of things. And I looked at her and I
said, how are you doing? Joy? And she said, I have
never felt this way in my entire life ever. I am terrified. I
have never felt this way. Like I may have said I felt this way,
but I never felt this way before. And tens of thousands, if
not hundreds of thousands of people are feeling that in the United States. I'm
not talking about being afraid because Trump's a fascist and he's going to take the
country over. I mean, I'm walking with my kid and is someone going
to come up and punch my kid in the face because he's wearing a T
shirt that has Hebrew on it. That's what I mean. And I'm not
being hysterical. I mean I wish I were being hysterical. No, I
mean, I'm sure you saw Tevy's piece in the Journal last week where he's
like, you know, allyship is bubkis right, friendship is real, and
like a lot of Jews on the left in particular, bought into this allyship
that you know, we have to be allies to various members of the Coalition
of the oppressed, and it's an identity politics sort of popular front, and
that's just in tatters. I mean, every liberal Jew I know and talk
to or have heard from, they're just like, what how am I supposed
to sit with people who are saying you have to hear both sides about people
who murder babies and so has nothing to with It's like, the actual murder
is the thing that it's supposed to be easy for everybody to condemn, and
it's really hard for some people to condemn. So I would just say one
thing because people ask me this all the time, and our listenership, I
assume is not a particularly Jewish listenership, and people are like, what should
I do? How can I help? What a was going on out what
can I do if you want me to help? And I have two very
simple things to say to you. Don't buy into the tell a Jew that
you'll hide them line. There's a whole thing I did. Would you hide
them? Would you you hide them in your attic? Like thanks a lot?
You know that's nonsense, Like don't, don't, don't, don't be
involved in that. I would say one practical thing and then one theoretical thing.
And the practical thing is, if you are anywhere near Washington on the
fourteenth of November, there is going to be a big rally for Israel for
the kidnapped against Tamas on the mall. Go the numbers matter. It's going
to be very important for there to be a huge turnout. So if you
are in the Virginia, Maryland, DC area, if you could take a
road trip, whatever, go to this rally. It is really important.
I hate rallies, I hate demonstrations. I don't like going to them.
I don't like being in them. It's not something that I think is the
way to do things. But it is important for there to be a visual
manifestation of the force of American public opinion, which seems to be in this
direction. So if you can, if you are in a place where you
can do this, do it. Go. It would be unbelievably welcomed by
the people there. And if you want to show friendship to Jews or be
an ally of Jews or whatever this is, and it's practical for you to
do it, this is the best way to do it that I can think
of, at least, you know, in the sound of my voice at
this moment. And the other is get on these chains. It's so simple,
and this is what the other side is doing. There are these organizations
that will ai chat bought letters to Congress for you. You just go there
and you say, I want to send a letter in support of Israel,
or I want to send a letter in support of the kidnapped or something like
that, and you fail your name in and they will send five hundred and
thirty five letters in your name with one push of a button. And this
is something that the Palestinian side has did the first week or the second week
and scared the Jesus out of Democratic lawmakers across the country who couldn't believe the
floods of calls and letters and robo calls that were coming in on behalf of
basically of Hamas. But let's say the ceasefire or the Palestinian suffering or something
like that. There is on the other side. There are the same tools,
and it will be very helpful to send them to your elected representatives,
not only nationally, but locally and state wide, so that they know at
least that the numbers that support Israel or against murdering babies or something, or
at least equivalent to the numbers of people who are willing to send these robo
letters that say the opposite. So I'm only I'm not a call to action
guy. I'm just I'm like, I'm a nurse, scenic intellectualist that's behind
a desk. Don't listen to me about how to be a good activist.
But this is what there is at hand. So some people like that and
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close, to bring this to a higher level, but without betraying the tone
that we've struck before, which is, how about each of us recommend a
really good black comedy. I'm talking about, like, you know, something
that satirical and raw and funny and that sort of like treats humankind and with
the contempt that often deserves. So that's what came to mind, and I
will start. Since it's my idea, you guys can then think of one
otherwise. I would like to suggest the comedy Used Cars, made in nineteen
eighty by Robert zamechis his first his second movie after I Want to Hold Your
Hand. Kurt Russell breakthrough performance after playing Elvis as one of the sleaziest used
car salesman's on the planet Earth. And he is in a war with another
used car lot in a town in Arizona that is even sleazier than his used
car lot, and which used car lot is actually going to succeed and which
is going to fail, and which one is going to run a foul of
FCC communications rulings about what you can and cannot say in advertising to sell your
horrible jalopies that are going to fall apart the minute they drive off the lot.
Kurt Russell ishilarious in the movie. It has an incredible turn at the
end with a judge with the meanest judge in the world, who was played
by l Grandpa Munster Lewis. This is one fantastic, bizarre, hilarious late
seventies early eighties, America is going to hell and and handbasket movies, and
I cannot recommend it enough. Okay, so the criteria was exactly what Black
Comedies just. I mean, everything is a dark comedy if you laugh,
right, I mean I actually I find the movie Ordinary People to be hilarious.
Okay, that's a good one. That's a good one if you want
to see a hilarious shrink save a guy a kid's life by telling him how
to feel. Yeah, and it is it is. It's not nice to
your people, Rob, I would say, it's a very uh, it's
not nice to your people either. Let's be quite honest with you, my
people, savior people, even though we do so, it's very bad acting,
yeah, by Judd Hirsch. That is. There isn't a performance in
Ordinary People by Judd Hirsh that is so bad. That is what it's.
It's like, it's almost like he went to the uh, you know,
the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art of Hamas. But you gotta what's amazing is
that they asked him to reprise the role in Independence Day. Yes, and
then and then the Bableman's like, we can't get away from him, and
he was he was good on taxi and then look what happened to him.
Anyway, he was well. In everyone in Hollywood's defense, it's hard to
find a Jewish guy talking about a Jewish actor. Really. Now Strike is
over. Yeah, well it's different now, I know, so you can't
think of a well no, I mean, I like, like I was.
If we were having a different we were a different place in the conversation.
I would say, like, I keep seeing that Harold and Maude is
being replayed and I want to rewatch it, but I also don't want to
rewatch it. Yeah, I know, I will say. If you're just
looking for escapism, I gotta say every year step Brothers goes further up my
list as when it's on, I gotta watch it. I actually bought a
T shirt the other day for the Catalina Wine mixer, so like does that
is also, you know, this is the twentieth anniversary of Elf, which
is a great movie. So neither of these dark neither of these black comedies,
I should know they're not black comedy made is a black comedy. I
mean, I believe Jonah that once upon a time I found and sent you
a shirt that said Oscar Madison for counsel. I believe you did. I
did yes because of the Odd Couple episode where Oscar Madison runs for city council.
This is my kind of shirt because it's so obscure. Yeah, that
it doesn't look like you're selling any brand, So I didn't tell you on
the At the Dispatched meetup last night, there was this guy, good guy
from Brooklyn, who first of all, he asked me to sign my books,
which I was always happy to do, right, And then he brought
He thought he was gonna like you didn't want to hurt Steve Hayes's feelings,
so he brought a book for him, But it turns out he made a
mistake and he bought Steve Hayward's Politically and Correct Guide to the President, so
he had him sign that too. And then he was reading Patty Chaievski's autobiography,
which he says is fantastic and it's got a great scene in it,
apparently from seventy seven, because he was a presenter the year after he won
the Oscar and Lynn Redgrave gave some anti Israel spiel and then that's a red
Grave and he cut her down to size on stage, and so by the
end of the night we got so deep in our cups that he asked me
to sign that too. By the way, that is a great book.
And it's not his autobiography. It's called mad as Hell. Yes, it's
by Dave. It'skoff who writes to The New York Times his biography of fascinating,
fascinating book. I have to say, can I pitch a dark comedy?
Sure? Because I failed? All Right, you're not gonna like how
it starts. We're gonna have to give him notes. Go ahead, you're
not gonna like how this starts, but you got to stay with it.
Okay, Oh you're pitching. Pitching. I thought you were like, yeah,
I'm just thinking about it. Something that John said. Something John said
earlier. You said, don't go to your Jewish friends and say I will
hide you. And I wanted to break in. You were so passionate,
want to break in and say, like, don't worry John, I won't
hide you. I don't have the room. I'm on the expectation of you
and the guy in the In the first act of the Diary, Van Frank
from the audience shouting she's in the attic so bad, right, just so,
so, just say a guy hides his friend, yes, and his
friend's girlfriend or wife, and then he kind of falls in love with a
girlfriend and the wife, you know, like she's great, she's really cool,
but he kind of doesn't really like the friend anymore. See, now
he's got to figure out a way to unhide the friend but keep hiding the
girlfriend. And that's just the opener. I don't know how it goes,
but I like that. It's good. Yeah, it's uh, it's got
it's got some darkness to it, that's for that's for sure. And uh,
but still got what we say in show business, we call it it's
got the heart, got the ticker, It's got the ticker. I just
want to commend to everybody's attention probably tomorrow. We're recording this Thursday afternoon,
so maybe you're not even going to be able to hear this until tomorrow,
but everybody should go to commentary dot org and read Rob's Hollywood commentary this month,
which is called the content moderation crisis and is that right way to get
content content crisis right? And it's basically the rules under which Rob, as
a Hollywood creative is now being asked to conceive of the TV shows and the
movies that the studios think they want to make for people. And it will
chill your blood, it will crack your bones. It make you think that
you will never again. You might enjoy it, I mean the piece you'll
enjoy. The piece you'll enjoy. It is what Rob and his fellow creatives
are being asked to fulfill. The mandate that they're being asked to fulfill.
That is jaw dropping in its again, like end of all civilization right there
on a piece of paper right in front of you, from the people who
command the heights of our culture. And it's a great piece. And it
will be in the December issue of Commentary dot org online again like over this
coming weekend, the tenth, eleventh, twelfth and thereby. So that's my
relation, all right. And I will be, of course every day on
the Commentary podcast being even less cheerful than I was on this podcast. You
Yeah, people have been telling me for a while now that I should listen
to this podcast, The Rest is History, Oh, which has got what
to say, Tom Holland, the British historian and another guy on it.
It's called The Rest Is history. A lot of people I know really really
like it. I finally started listening to it when I was in New York
yesterday. I started listening to the episode on The Blackout of nineteen seventy seven.
And I'm sure pod will have notes on it because it's a little at
points, it's you can't thisuish between whether it's a liberal perspective or sort of
a British perspective or just a thirty thousand foot thing. But it's really good
and it's got a lot of granular like stats and data, and the other
show titles look really pretty exciting as well, so I'm kind of psyched about
it. And the only other thing I'll tell people is I am now going
to be part of the starting standing rotation, so I won't be on every
week, but Chris Wallace is gonna have a new show that's gonna be on
Saturday mornings. We'll record on Friday evenings, and I'm going to be on
it, and I'll be on it this Saturday on CNN. Actually, yeah,
all right, I'm excited. That gives me something to watch that may
not depress me as much as the other things made that I have been watching.
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phone for ten minutes, the ten minute movie at Quibi Quibi. Oh.
I love that you were like the only person defending it when it was going
down the toilet. I wanted it to work so badly. I just think
that I wanted it to create a kind of a movement for everything to be
eleven minutes. Yeah, well, you like TikTok and the entire Republican Party
just came out last night for the complete abolition. Not only should Hamas be
completely obliterated, TikTok should be completely obliterated. So you are, you are
and in this and as many in many other ways. You are. You
are no longer in the mainstream of the Republican Party. Yeah, that that
should not be breaking the news here. So we will be back in a
couple of weeks to be even further out of the mainstream of the Republican Party.
See you guys later. Ready, Ready, this is gonna be uh
I don't know if this is ladder ready three two one. If you're anything
like me, you have a certain tendency to put things off til the very
last minute. I can guarantee you that my commentary editors, John Fedor it's
and uh At let me do it again. I don't want to bring Amy
to do this. Not fair. Three to one.