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So, of course he's been a
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great segment dedicated to these to these
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trends. So Ralph, welcome back
onto the program. How are you doing.

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I'm doing great. And again,
folks, what we do every Friday

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Everything is eligible for betting me to
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trends. So that's why I'm the
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And again has Ben mentioned come out
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sure to get the show notes if
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we're going to do is highlight four
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And we've got some great stuff for
today. Absolutely four and then some

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I saw you that you have a
couple of honorable mentions there at the end

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segment. So yeah, but before
we get to those, of course,

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we can tappen to I'm sorry,
I ride ahead a little bit. We

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should go ahead and do story number
one, and algae is not the first

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time that it's come up on the
show. But it's amazing. We're such

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a simple thing can do in so
many fields. Yes, I love this

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story because selfishly speaking, it's very
Northwest United States based, folks. I'm

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based outside of Portland, Oregon.
And here's the headline. Researchers at the

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Pacific Northwest National Laboratory are exploring how
to use algae to trap or to parton

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me to tap into the vast reserve
of mineralogical wealth in the oceans. What

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okay? This comes from their own
website in a story by Steve Ashby.

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It's great, is this is fun? Okay? So here's the deal.

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Critical minerals and rare earth elements are
used in technologies such as smartphones, led

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lighting, wind turbines, X ray
machines, and cattle that it converts.

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I think we all know that there's
the reliance on critical minerals now today many

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of these essential natural resources are mined
predominantly in China, and that, you

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know, in the world we're evolving
into, could be a problem. Perhaps.

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Researchers at the Department of Energy specific
Northwest National laboratory up in Washington State,

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by the way, are exploring alternative
sources of these minerals that are less

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vulnerable to supply chain disruptions. So
that's the key in this quest. The

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laboratory researchers are looking at the oceans
as an undertapped resource for minerals typically dug

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from the ground. And I love
this factoid from this story is just made

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me stop and gasp. A spoonful
of seawater contains not just salt, but

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every element in the periodic table.
Wow. Even though they are found in

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low concentrations only parts per troy million. I mean, that's small. Oceans

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are perhaps the largest single source of
rare Earth elements on the planet. Wow.

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And in the show notes, I
have a side note about the periodic

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cable if you want to get a
spin up on that. We're not going

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to spend time going through that,
but I even have a reproduction of the

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table itself. It's probably saw it
in your high school science class or college

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or what have yet, but it's
there if you want to learn about that

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and get more spun up on that
right back. And and of course everyone

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out there that can of course see
and you know, those who can picture

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in their mind that section of the
bottom that's you know, kind of taken

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out and drop below the rest of
the table. Those are the rare earth

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metals, so that those are the
aunts that we're talking about. So yeah,

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yeah, the kind of the green
background, Yeah, one at the

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bottom, you know. And and
yeah, I since I've been in the

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ocean growing up, I always just
assumed it was Florida and the way that

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their water taste. But no,
it turns out it's every element known to

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man in the water. Who knew. I thought it was just Florida elements,

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Yes, sort of anyway, back
of the story. Moreover, because

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the oceans are not controlled by any
one nation, well that's a little bit

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arguable these days. Anyway, they
avoid many of the geoeconomic political issues we

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read about in the news now.
In one promising project, Pacific Northwest National

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Laboratory, researchers are investigating how algae
can be used to harvest certain critical minerals

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from seawater. Rather than chemically or
physically separating these minerals, researchers are exploiting

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biological processes that concentrate them so they
can be cost effectively produced. Isn't that

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fund? So they're saying, can
nature do this for us instead of us

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trying to create amazing machines? Answer
potentially yes. To better understand these processes,

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the laboratory team are utilizing the unique
capabilities of their marine and Coastal Research

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laboratory location on Washington State's Olympic Peninsula
with direct access to flowing seawater. They

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are growing different species of algae in
the laboratory and some of the algae are

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green, others are read summer leafy, others are stringy. And looking closely

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at each researchers are gaining insights into
their properties and tendency for extracting different minerals

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from the seawater. And they're finding
some algae can concentrate certain minerals a million

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times more than found naturally in the
seawater, so they can jack up the

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extraction by a million times and that's
something Wow. Results also show the process

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improves ocean health. So this is
like a wind wind scenario, extract minerals

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we need and improve the ocean health. Wow. Got all love that water

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flowing out of the algae tanks is
less acidic because the carbon stays in the

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algae as do the nitrogen and phosphorus, helping to prevent possible harmful algae blooms.

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Wow, I just love this story. It's like I'm guessing physically or

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chemically trying to extract these things.
I mean parts per trillion. I'm not

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I'm not the best at it.
Like you know, ralph things are usually

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measured in like parts per million in
the air and parts per billion in drinking

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water and stuff like that. Parts
per a trillion sounds super super super minute.

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Um. So I guess that when
the algae grows, then kind of

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chemically make it so that it pulls
these elements out and it grows into or

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at least you know what, the
algae sucks it into their system. I'm

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guessing they just like release it or
they have like these big floating I guess

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algae tanks that they can you know, kind of put in the ocean and

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just constantly like let the tides refresh
the water and just let them grow.

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Any that kind of thing. I
mean, very very interesting concept. I'm

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I'm curious how they're going to,
uh, you know, kind of do

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it at scale, because even parts
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millions more times within the allergy.
Very curious how big this can scale.

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But like you said, though,
when when it has a lot of benefits

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a lot of upside Well, yeah, and Ben, you make a good

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point. I too also thought to
myself, well is this research for the

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sake of research or is it research
on a path to real world application?

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And my experience with the Pacific Northwest
National Laboratory stories that we've done occasionally and

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I follow them closely, they're kind
of they're kind of like the MT of

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the Northwest. Okay, they have
very experimental, very experimental, but all

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over the map, but like m
I T usually with very rare exceptions,

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a path to possible practical real world
application and benefits. So we'll see.

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I'm with you. You would have
to have I would presume you'd have to

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have this implemented at such a gargagean
scale to harvest the kind of minerals that

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would be meaningful as an alternative,
which were. But it's also very passive,

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so yeah, you know, yeah
that's true. Yeah maybe so so

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we'll definitely see, uh, story
number one, story number two. And

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speaking passive, it seems to be
everyone's favorite thing, you know, when

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when when you have something and it
does something by itself and you just get

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to reap the benefits. Well,
story number two is a great example of

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that. Although, like you said
in the title, um, very science

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fiction esque. But please, yes, yes, All you have to do

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is think about the Terminator movies right
where the where the robot gets shot in

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the face and all of a sudden
it just kind of wiggles a little bit

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to the right back. Okay,
Well, the headline here is self healing

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metal question mark. It's not just
the stuff of science fiction. Got this

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from the Reuters News service. This
was also covered by many many other news

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services. Story by Will Dunham and
we've got the link in the show notes

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for you and an image as well. So here's the deal. On July

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nineteen, very recently, right July
nineteen, scientists at the US government's Sandea

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National Laboratories in New Mexico described how
pieces of pure platinum and copper spontaneously healed

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cracks caused by metal fatigue during nanoscale
experiments that had been designed to study how

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such cracks form and spread in metal
placed under stress. Huh. They expressed

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optimism that this ability can be engineered
into metals to create get ready to create

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self healing machines and structures in the
relatively near future. Is that what all

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the Senate Hearing Committee was on alien
technology? It was just copper and copper

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and metal plate, you know,
healing. There you go, yeah,

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there you go. That's let's do
a conspiracy. We'll make up our own

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really coming from aliens. It's not
the laboratory. They're just you know,

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they're trying to piece meal the alien
technolog you out, and Sandia just won

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the watery Yeah, yeah, that's
it. Well, speaking of that sort

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of stuff, will segue just for
a moment. I saw in the news

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services. This got a lot of
popular pickup, but I don't know how

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valid it is. But there's images
from Mars that appear to show appear to

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show some things in the dirt,
if you will, that that don't look

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natural. There's like these kind of
bow like shapes with spiky like little projections

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that look too too regulated to whatever
to be naturally formed. Now, nobody

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knows for sure, and I don't
know how valid all this sort of stuff

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is, but if you google the
weird formations, it's much more mechanical looking

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than that. I wish I had
a link for you. Well that,

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but that's probably the rover that you're
saying. No, no, no,

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no, right right, yeah,
No, it's a maybe if you Google

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recently discovered what appear to be man
made like items on the surface of Mars,

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maybe it'll come up with the images
I'm referring to. It looks like

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a see, these might all be
credible, and it might have been incredible

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resources or references that we're writing this
stuff because I'm not seeing what I saw.

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I'll send you the link later.
Yeah. Sure, Mars is always

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full of images that are like,
oh is that a stone face of Mars

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and stuff like that. Definite full
of that stuff. But no, we're

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back on Earth and we're talking about
metals that are actually doing things. Yeah,

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self healing metals. Back to the
story. Okay, so a little

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more background here. Metal fatigue occurs
when metal, including parts and machines,

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vehicles, and structures, sustains microscopic
cracks after being exposed to repeated stress or

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motion damage that tends to worsen over
time. And by the way, metal

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fatigue can be a long term process. We know this from our steel bridges

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and so forth. Herope in the
Northwest. For example, they're going to

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replace a bridge that links Oregon to
Washington State across the Columbia River, because

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in part of long term metal fatigue, so it can happen over a long

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period of time. Metal fatigue can
cause catastrophic failures in areas including aviation jet

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engines for instance, and infrastructure bridges
and other structures. So that's the problem.

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But in the experiments at the Sandia
National Laboratories, researchers used a technique

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that pulled on the ends of tiny
metal pieces about two hundred times per second.

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Oh my gosh, that's fast.
Two hundred times per second. A

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crack initially formed and spread, but
about forty minutes into the experiment, the

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metal fused back together. We need
we need Twilight Zone music track for second.

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Anyway, isn't that something? The
researchers called this healing. They observed

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cold cold as in cold temperature cold
welding. Huh, Well, I don't

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think I have that, but I
do have. Yeah, we'll go with

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that. I do have the X
files. Um, that's weird enough,

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but no so so essentially two hundred
that's not xus. So they pulled it

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two hundred times per second, and
you know too, I guess kind of

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create those little micro cracks that would
take amal years or years or years to

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kind of create. UM to tie
to another relevant story not too long ago,

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although everyone's moved on, you know, which is good. Um,

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the submarine that famously imploded. People
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did the first thirteen fourteen UM dives
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of those little micro cracks that they
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they didn't see, cause the whole
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micro cracks I guess affect a lot
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and that of course it was a
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this cold welding phenomenon, according to
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scientists Brad Boys, who helped lead
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journal called Nature, quote, the
cold welding process is a metallurgical process that

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is known to occur when two relatively
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together to reform atomic bonds bonds,
not bombs, but by wait, folks,

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bo nds, I know I've got
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lately, Yes and Voice further noted, quote, unlike the self healing robots

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in the Terminator movie, this process
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to our eyes. Of course,
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have yet to be able to control
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but they have yet to figure out
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microns, and a nanometer is one
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folks, we're talking tiny now.
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nanometers thick and a few micrometers wide. While the healing was observed in the

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experiments only in platinum and copper,
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can can occur in other metals,
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steel could exhibit this quality. So
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they can learn how to control it
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approaches that could be devised to help
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this new understanding may shed light on
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the ability to interpret and predict such
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they did stand back and offered some
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observed in a very specific environment using
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one thing. The research is noted
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predict will take about another ten years
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of the eye, talk about early
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see. Yeah, no, it
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even even if they can't turn it
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we would consider it useful. Knowing
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is you know, always an important
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You can't just have this big question
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you know cold welding process, how
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doesn't matter, just build it anyways. You know, knowing how it works

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has implications as well, even if
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cool. And of course you know
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the picture you have in the show
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America dot com. I'm guessing this
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part that welded itself back together.
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very it's very odd, very spooky, weird kind of stuff. I don't

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know. I certainly don't fully understand
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extreme conditions, it's still a very
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story number three, And I think
everyone's very familiar with Wi Fi at this

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point. If you don't have it, you know it. But now we're

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going to talk about something a little
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I think I've heard of it before. But Ralph, I'll be honest,

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after going to see us for so
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covering news and new technology for so
many years, acronyms and abbreviations,

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are they all just kind of melt
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fi? Yes? Well, this
is really fun and I learned a lot

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from researching this story. So here's
the headline, trend to watch. That's

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my insertion. Here's the headline.
What is lie Fi? That's l I

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dash Fi li Fi. Well,
a faster, more secure, wireless internet

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is just around the corner. That
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Digital Trends, a story by John
Martindale. There's in the show notes,

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folks, if you're just listening to
us on the podcast, please come out

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to computer America dot com if the
show notes. There's a great illustration I

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picked up from the article. Also
the official logo for li fi. You

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can see that as well. But
here's the deal. Li Fi has the

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potential to revolutionize not only the way
we get online, but it could even

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replace some of the mountains of cables
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Internet. So wow, okay,
that's pretty profound. But I'm going to

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insert a little note here because I
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bit of additional research li Fi.
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is not saying, drumroll please,
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existed, and now this week it
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a technology way back in March of
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more about it being becoming deployable versus
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we'll talk more about this in a
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Electrical and Electronics Engineers, good Old
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Wi fi specification, this will all
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bear with us. So here we
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and is a communication system that utilizes
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A li FI network uses infrared led
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using modulations in the light intensity to
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information to and from various network devices. So there's your two second kind of

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tutorial, and what is this li
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using the unseen m you know,
wireless signals that were used to it's using

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you know, essentially light. But
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light that you probably it's not like
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with data. You know, it's
going to be shining light and the data

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will go through rights, right,
that's right. And li fi works by

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util pardon me, try that again. Li fi works by utilizing light light

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pulses, which are invisible to the
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been These pulses are modulated in intensity. Get ready, These pulses are modulated

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in intensity billions of times per second
what And it's those modulations that receivers can

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track and translate into data entirely wirelessly. The part that just absolutely ford me

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was billions of times per second.
I can't even wrap my head around that.

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That's just wild. So this isn't
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works. What we know today that
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except radio waves can more readily pass
through and around obstacles. LiFi can do

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that to some extent, but it's
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which places a limitation on its range
and abilities outside of open plan homes and

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offices, so that your ability check. Yeah, you could really imagine where

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if you need, you know,
that constant light source to you know,

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modulate billions of times a second.
Like you said, the sun is totally

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going to interfere with that signal,
so you can't exactly do it in like

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a stadium or football field, yeah, you're right. Then there's a lot

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of reality checks we're going to get
into. Start to get into the better

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can it doesn't it's not able to
penetrate like in my house. Of course,

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you have your your wife, I
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I can pick up the signal downstairs. It can go from the upstairs and

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downstairs through the floors. All that's
great. This Life I stuff would not

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be the answer there, but we'll
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sense. So LIFEI has the potential
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great up to but technically speaking,
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However, Yeah, however, the
recently approved amendment to the Wi Fi specification

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that adds li Fi support that's a
key phrase, adds li Fi support.

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I Tripoli at two dot eleven b
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BB. You're going to learn more
about this as time goes on. Rates

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li Fi technology with a minimum throughput
of ten megabits per second and a maximum

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throughput of nine point six gigabits per
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possibility of one hundred gigabits per second. Okay, that's okay, there you

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know, baby steps. That puts
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Fi six, the most recent iteration
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this is all you know, baby
step okay, guys, but time

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out. The big news is that
the us I Tripoli certification provides a globally

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recognized framework for deployment of LiFi technology, according to li Fi tech companies Pure

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li Fi and Frondhofer HHI and I
have links in the show notes for both

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of these companies. Really interesting stuff. So that's the key here, Ben.

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It was developed in twenty eleven.
It has this huge technical possibility.

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It has certain limitations, but what
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deployment too two dot eleven BB is
the door opener to get this out into

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the real world. Right, That's
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Although a li Fi signal can bounce
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severely impacted by impediments and obstructions and
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meters that's approximately thirty three feet.
Yeah, ten tens a pretty good comparison.

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I think that you can make between
this is a Bluetooth. If you

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use Bluetooth to any extends, there
you go. Bluetooth is also rated for

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thirty three feet, so you can, you know, kind of compare that.

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Yeah, that's a that's an excellent
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fi will be used in the home
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secondary connection layer. That's the key. I think the reality is not throw

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your WiFi out and everything goes LiFi. Heavens no, but it could be

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a really clever companion technology working in
harmony with Wi Fi, So Wi Fi

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li Fi it'll be, you know, a really interesting mix. So this

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mixing it together as a secondary connection
layer, thereby allowing for faster transfer speeds

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and the ability for more devices to
connect to a compatible router at once without

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connection speeds falling. LiFi could also
be used in environments where interference is common

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and data purity is of the utmost
importance, like hospitals, schools, and

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financial institutions. Data centers too could
see some benefit. LiFi could be used

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to transmit data over short distances where
running cables would be prohibitively complicated or costly,

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and WiFi could be and WiFi would
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So where Wi Fi might be insecure
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could be useful if you have line
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we'll see Li Fi routers in the
future. One idea is to use li

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Fi equipped lighting fixtures in the ceiling
of buildings. Ooh. This will allow

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a data connection through a home's existing
power line infrastructure than utilizing the li Fi

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light fittings to disseminate the data wirelessly. Two wireless devices. So there's one

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little light bulb that's a li Fi
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Yeah, So that's how it might
get deployed. Again the news folks technology

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from twenty eleven I Triple ee gives
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Standby, let's see what happens again. It doesn't replace Wi Fi.

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It could hold hands with Wi Fi
and be a great solution for many situations

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in business and in your home,
etc. Well, yeah, and definitely

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see it the same way that even
your Wi Fi. Right now, you

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have Wi Fi the five G you
know you may see the five G network

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versus just the regular Wi Fi network. The five G you know, even

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though it's faster, you know,
it is better in so many ways.

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It doesn't replace two point four.
They both happen simultaneously because two point four

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has some benefits that five G doesn't. And now, Ralph, I think

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we're up to like six G or
something like that. There's like the six

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point four or something like that.
Gigger hurts band wave as well that the

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new routers are coming out with,
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I'm kind of curious, like in
modern design, like you know,

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when you're designing like a modern home, those LED strips are everywhere. You

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know, you put them as accents, you put them behind things. Sure,

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you know, it makes everything look
all future or stick and cool.

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I'm curious if you know, maybe
in the future, instead of having to

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you know, connect your TV via
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and stuff like that, those little
accent, those accents that fill a home,

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Ralph, if they become like if
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a TV, you know, back
landing a TV is pretty common nowadays.

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That would be your data connection.
Doesn't matter what TV you put up.

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It doesn't matter what you do.
You put the TV on the wall,

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you just plug it into a power
source and the light itself would be the

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data connection, so you don't have
to connect it to Wi Fi or anything

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like that. Oh yeah, you
know, it's a great idea. Yeah,

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little applications like that that are going
to start coming into the home and

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you know, hopefully providing some benefit. So we'll see. Oh yeah,

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absolutely. And as the article itself
pointed out, the idea that you could

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have implementations of this where heavy bulky
cables running from here to there would be

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messy. You'd have to embed them
in the wall or what you know.

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No, just have these light transmissions
to take the place of bulky cables where

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it makes sense and where you have
the distance issues overcome and so on and

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so forth. Then can you have
these things in tandem? Yeah, ten

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meters thirty three feet? But couldn't
you do a tag team incremental you know,

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baton passing kind of thing to overcome
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of possibilities. It's kind of fun
because you know the technology, it's it's

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not a new technology, and you
know, not even I'm not even talking

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about in twenty eleven. Like,
this is the same technology that went through

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copper cables. This is the same
technology that goes through fiber optics though you

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know, sending a little burst of
electrons, a you know, a little

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burst of lights, super super fast
ralph. This is essentially fiber cabling without

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the cable. It's just you know, it's just a long signal. So

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you know, parison, it's a
technology that we know and we know how

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to use. It's just this one
has a bit more interference than kate,

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you know, than fiber optic cables
do. So when it's comes when it

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comes out, people will see this
in their homes, when it's finally consumer

412
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ready, but you know, not
quite there, but we're getting there.

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We're getting there. Oh yeah,
yeah, it's so there. Definitely definitely

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a trend to watch for sure,
for sure. So story number three,

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Story number four, and I don't
think light's going to work for this one,

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but hey, this one is very
cool. And you know, as

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this tradition, Story number four is
medical technology, that's right. Yeah,

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we love to end the segments usually
almost always with something in medical technology because

419
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that's just one of my great personal
passions and kind of hobbies if you will,

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based on my home body experience over
all these years. Okay, so

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here we go. Headline spiral brain
computer interface slips into earcanal with no loss

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of hearing. How could you resist
that? Headline? I got to know

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more? What's that anyway? Comes
from Medical express dot com a story by

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Bob Yerka. This is really interesting
stuff. If you've got the show notes,

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you're watching us online, you can
see the image of the little spiral

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brain computer interface and more of a
graphic images showing it in the human ear

427
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and so on and so forth.
And there's even a video you can watch

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as well. So if you're listening
to us on a podcast, come out

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to Computer America dot com get the
show notes. You can see all this

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we're referring to. However, here
we go. A multi institutional team of

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engineers in China has developed a new
type of brain computer interface that can be

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easily slipped in and out of the
ear canal. In their project, reported

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in the journal Nature Communications, the
group set out to design and build a

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new kind of brain computer interface that
is less invasive than existing devices. Is

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it ever? And I just want
to soap box and segue just for a

436
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moment. My heart breaks every day
that we have a world where we see

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people as enemies. How sad It
wouldn't it be great if we could all

438
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stop this foolishness of tribal hatred back
and forth and suspicion and wanting to take

439
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.960
over Taiwan and god knows what,
and just stop this and just all work

440
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.760
together, because look what these guys
in China are doing. It's it's just

441
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:45.519
there's there's definitely amazing research happening in
every country. You know, sometimes we

442
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talk about Sweden, sometimes talk about
America, sometimes China sometimes, you know,

443
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.320
to your point, in Singapore,
Taiwan, Korea, it doesn't matter.

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All of these scientists, they really
can't you know, they really build

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off of each other. And you're
absolutely right. Just if there was a

446
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bill, if there was a way
more than just publish a paper and hope

447
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that it gets read, but to
actually have you know that community and be

448
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more closely net the you know,
the research community, absolutely we would see

449
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way more progress. Well, and
this is a good example here we have

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researchers in China and they're publishing this
information in Nature Communications and in this journal,

451
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so they are opening it up to
the world, which is commendable and

452
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.159
that's what we need more of.
Let's hold hands together with science and technology

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00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.920
and stoppableness foolishness anyway, I digress
back to the story. So, a

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brain computer interface this is a generic
kind of definition, is a device that

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allows communication between the brain and a
computer, though to date most such devices,

456
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brain computer interfaces are one directional.
They are used to listen to brain

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ways for such applications as converting them
to text or to electronic signals that can

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be used to engage another device,
such as a wheelchair. Right real quick.

459
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.440
When you say it's one directional,
part of me is like good,

460
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.119
you know, like I don't want
a brandom plant that tells me, you

461
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.679
know, what I want for lunch, or what I think about Ralph's statement

462
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.119
about you know, don't fight each
other. You know what I mean?

463
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Like, I'm kind of glad,
but no, maybe there's a good benefit

464
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.039
to having a two way communication.
I think the intent is good, the

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00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.360
amplification. You can always take technology
and perverted for badness. Speaking anyway,

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So, one of the main drawbacks
of most brain computer interfaces is their invasiveness.

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Referring to what we've had to date, current approaches involve the use of

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electrodes attached to the scalp We've all
seen that, or micro needles. Micro

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Needles are probes that pierce the skull
yikes. In this new effort, the

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team in China has built a brain
computer interface that is not only less invasive,

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but can be engaged and disengaged easily. The new corkscrew shaped brain computer

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interface is called the Spiral E.
That's the letter E as an echo.

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It is engaged by gently screwing it
into the ear canal and disengage by doing

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the reverse. Couldn't be more simple. It is made mainly of soft material

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to ensure comfort for the wearer.
The design allows the passage of sound waves,

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ensuring that it does not impair hearing, and the soft material comprising the

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body of this device also prevents echoing
inside the spiral Wow. The research team

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suggests that the Spiral E could open
the door to new brain computer interface applications

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due to its ease of use.
They envision the development of applications that convert

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full thoughts into text, controlling objects
in both the real and virtual worlds,

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and even perhaps augmented memory. Right
augmented memory that just if Wow, talk

482
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about leaving you with a good with
a bring what's the possibilities with that.

483
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:05.039
I'd like to have augmented memory,
believe me. Yeah, and no,

484
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.440
just remembering what you have for breakfast
would be, you know, so amazing.

485
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.199
I can't even mention a future like
that. But but no, and

486
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.599
of course, you know, just
wanted to check out the video where sped

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up nine times. So it's not
like you have like a literal like worm

488
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.920
going into your ear or you know, anything like that. It would be

489
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.599
very subtle and I'm sure that you
would feel it. But hey, you

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00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.239
know, if you're in a situation
where you would need something like this,

491
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.199
you've probably got things that need track
and are monitoring or things like that.

492
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.960
Very very cool. And of course
the spiral design, you know, I

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00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.719
guess with like hearing aids and stuff, it completely you know, blocks and

494
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.719
transmits and things like that. So
this is very different and you know,

495
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.760
very very cool to see it kind
of flex and move on its own.

496
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.800
Again, you know, sometimes we
cover stories like that, Ralph. It's

497
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.960
like, you know, this robot, this micromachine, and they don't look

498
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.440
like robots like we think of.
You know, again, we don't think

499
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.760
a terminator, but they are technically
robots, so very very cool. Yeah,

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00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:05.800
yeah, very cool story. And
then, as you mentioned at the

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outset, a couple of honorable mentions. We're not going to take time with

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the show to go into this,
but get to the show notes and you

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00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:14.880
can see what I'm talking about.
So first and foremost this week, I

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00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:21.880
was absolutely thrilled to watch a wonderful
documentary about the development and deployment and successful

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00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.519
launch and say, etc. The
James Webb telescope right, and you can

506
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.719
see this if you have a subscription
to Netflix. The film is called Cosmic

507
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.159
Time Machine. And in the show
notes into this but all you, Joe,

508
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.960
it's it's absolutely wonderful. I honest
to god, teared up a couple

509
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.800
of times. It was so moving
and so fascinating, a great tribute to

510
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:49.119
human tenacity. Something like thirty years
in the development. I had no idea

511
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.840
thirty years went uphill battles. Sometimes
Congress was about to pull the plug on

512
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.559
the funding for this thing, and
they overcame all these optacles on and on

513
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.800
and on and on. Oh and
in the documentary you'll learn about three hundred

514
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.559
forty four points of failure, which
means there were three hundred and forty four

515
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.880
things that could go wrong if any
one of those three hundred forty four things

516
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:16.199
went wrong. Mission failure. Yeah, these men and women, these men

517
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:22.239
and women pulled off an astonishing accomplishment
where every one of those points, or

518
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the overwhelming majority, there's still I
guess some outstanding points that could in the

519
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.639
future go wrong. But anyway,
I digress, Go and see the movie

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00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.679
You'll You'll be blown away. Yeah. Do. The other honorable mention is

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00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:43.239
scientists invent new double sided solar panel
that generates twenty percent more electricity. Really

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00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.760
interesting from a wonderful outfit called the
Renewable Energy Institute. Again, we're not

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00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.800
going to read this story, go
and check it out. We've got the

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links of the images and so forth. So if nothing else, Ben and

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00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:58.039
I I hope have left you feeling
encouraged about the future of humans. If

526
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.159
we can stop being stupid and have
wars and hate each other, if we

527
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.599
can get over that hold hands as
scientists and technologists turn the world over to

528
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.159
them, we may make it.
I'm definitely gonna ruffle a few votes here

529
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:15.119
and say that yes, we should
have peace, but I will say,

530
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.880
Ralph, humans are multifaceted in that
we can do both. And I'm not

531
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.800
saying we should do both. I'm
saying that even though all the bad stuff,

532
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.000
all the news, the headlines,
what have you, ladies and gentlemen,

533
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.440
don't worry. There are people out
there who have dedicated everything to you

534
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.199
know, new solar panel research.
You know that you can find in the

535
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.679
show notes too. You know,
new space telescopes, new new whatever,

536
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.800
you know, seven Norton. I'm
sorry, we're up to eight billion,

537
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.320
excuse me, eight billion of us. Ralph. There's a lot of cool

538
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.159
stuff happening every single week, and
I think you do a great job of

539
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.920
highlighting that for everyone. So,
ladies and gentlemen, again, if you

540
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.400
want to find out more, computer
America dot com, all the show notes,

541
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:00.159
and of course Ralph's segment there.
He'll be back every Friday, tell

542
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.679
us news stories. And until next
time, Ralph, everyone, have a

543
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.920
great day, have a great week, do something fun. See you next

544
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:07.760
time. Bye. Everyone,

