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Using free speech to free minds.
You are listening to the David Knight Show

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as the clock strikes thirteen on Airstrip
one. Welcome to the David Knight Show.

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I'm Gardner Goldsmith, filling in for
David today on this good Friday,

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and I hope that your day has
started beautifully. Birds are chirping outside the

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studio here and I'm enjoying the blessings
of God. Thanks for joining us on

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this the twenty ninth day of March
twenty twenty four. We've got a lot

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to discuss today. Our guests will
be Jacob Hornberger, the founder and president

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of the Future Freedom Foundation, in
the ten o'clock hour, and in the

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eleven o'clock hour, Eric Peters of
Eric Peters Autos will join us as we

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explore the world and get lessons of
freedom. Wow, it is a beautiful

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day out there, isn't it?
Wherever you are, I hope that you

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can find a beauty there. And
Welcome to the David Knight Show. I'm

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Gardner Goldsmith, blessed to be here
with you in the audience on Rockvin,

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on Rumble, on d Live,
and on David Knight's Twitter slash x feed

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liberty terarian. Of course, you
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dot com every day and listen to
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am Eastern times, straight through to
noontime. The best news coverage from the

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best newsman and philosopher, David Knight. And I'm just delighted to be here

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with you today. Everyone you might
know my work from MRCTV, and I

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want to thank all of those folks
at the MRCTV offices just outside of the

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Swamp in Washington for what they do. Eric Shiner terrific guy chatting with him

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a little bit yesterday via text,
and I look forward to getting your comments

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inside Rockfinn rumble Chat. And I'm
really looking forward to hearing what you're thinking

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about some of these stories. So
for the next hour, we're gonna do

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a quick news update, dig into
some of the breaking stories, and reflect

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a little bit on Good Friday.
I have something special that I put together

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for you today because I was looking
forward to filling in for David, and

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I want to thank David and Travis
and the entire Night family for being so

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gracious to me and to you the
audience, and just showing such incredible affection

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and devotion to principle. They're just
terrific people. And chatted with David a

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little bit by a text yesterday and
Travis as well, and I hope that

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they're having a terrific day today.
Absolutely, and I hope you are too.

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On this the twenty ninth day of
March twenty twenty four. Let's see

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what's on tap on the program today, everybody for The David Knights Show three

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twenty nine, twenty four. Wow, we're almost headed into April. I

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don't do April Fools jokes anymore,
that's for sure. But on April second,

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I'm supposed to see adam Ant play
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it. I hope I can make
the show, as well as Dave Wakeling

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from the English Beat. So that'll
be a lot of fun boy. What

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a great team up that'll be.
Well. I'm looking forward to today,

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a very special day for Christians.
Today on The David Knights Show, we're

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going to be covering a lot of
information the bridge collapse. And remember yesterday

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I asked the question of is it
constitutional collapse? As well well last night

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on My Liberty Conspiracy Show, and
I should mention. I do a live

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show every Monday through Friday at six
pm, a breaking news story show where

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we break apart the breaking news and
derive long standing lessons for freedom out of

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that I've lectured in political philosophy and
economics and things like that take a very

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strong pro liberty stance on things.
And so we take a lot of these

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news stories and we try to derive
some long standing intellectual ammunition that we can

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then apply to future instances where there
might be something very similar. And then

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we look back at history, talk
to great people like Tony Ardibyrn, who

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has an amazing sense of history and
great wit. And in fact, from

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Tony Ardaburn's wit, we're deriving one
of the terms that I started to use

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last night about the bridge collapse.
We'll talk about the bridge collapse. We'll

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talk about whether or not there is
a narrative collapse or it's just bad management

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from of course, the central authority
in Washington, DC, because everybody knows

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collectivism is great. Oh my goodness, I shouldn't laugh about the situation coming

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out of that terrible tragedy, but
what can you do? It's another example

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of really really bad management or is
it an example of something more nefarious after

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the fact. I'm not talking about
how the bridge collapse happened with the shipping

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container ship hitting the bridge, but
I'm talking about the way that the politicians

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are handling this. And we saw
some of that as politicians jumped on and

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immediately decided they were gonna send federal
funds over there where there's nothing constitutional to

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do that. We're also going to
take a look in this hour at Good

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Friday. It's the good and the
bat Okay, the good, the bad,

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and maybe the ugly. But we're
gonna try to look at the good.

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We're gonna look at Good Friday not
so good for some cultural Marxists.

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They don't seem to like Good Friday. I know you might be shocked.

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I don't want to be too assumpthing, but maybe you too are not too

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surprised. We'll look at the Russians
versus the Deep Staters on the Moscow attack,

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as the Russian spokeswoman and recalls the
US working with terror cells, and

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we might get into the Canada made
the courts and more, plus perhaps the

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Supreme Court on the MAGA defamation suit. But I might put in a couple

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other things there, So let's check
out what's happening right now with you.

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great to see you. Let me
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if the sound is good and so
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make sure that that's all set for
you, and I want to say hi

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to everyone in the chat. Jason
Barker is there of Nights of the Storm

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of course, does great work and
is working with Freeworld dot fm. They

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are all just putting in their own
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creating. Thanks to Billy Ray Valentine
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platform for people who want to speak
about freedom. And Jason Barker has been

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very very helpful in helping other people
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their technologically to be able to get
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it doesn't take as much buffering.
You can just listen to the audio stream.

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So thank you very much Jason Barker
for what you do and Knights of

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the Storm and of course in the
Foxhole, great research on every one of

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his shows. Check out Jason Barker. It's real Jason Barker on Twitter slash

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x Steve Swan, thanks for being
there, and Harps from Australia. Greetings

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mate, good to see you as
well, Dougalug and boy, I'm just

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so pleased to see so many fine, fine folks in the audience out there.

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And yes, Jason, I wore
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today and your Star Trek Star Trek
interests because yeah, people might not know,

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but I did. I won't say
I did some time. I had

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a great time working in the the
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was a really good good time.
We'll check in with Rumble Chat in just

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a little while. Let's find out
what we're going to be talking about for

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our first story now when I do
Liberty Conspiracy Monday through Friday at six pm

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on Rockfin and Rumble, just look
it up or go to my Twitter slash

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x at Guard Goldsmith. I often
opened the show with the news flat and

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so I turned to as I mentioned
on David's show yesterday, I turned to

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this little clip. Sometimes not all
the time, but almost every time as

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part of our montage for the news
flash. It's from a little film that

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I did with some friends called Skippy
Benderman and you can see it on YouTube.

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And yes that is me. I
am the one in the white body

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paint with the white tuxedo and the
black tie and the black wig. It

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was a spoof of cartoon superheroes along
with my friend Spike who played Alan Granny

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Liquor Spindle and supposedly we were masters
of the sguise who could go anywhere because

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no one would recognize us. So
it's time, one and all, it's

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time for the news flash. Yes, oh hell, hell who Mary's parents?

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Oh second, Mary's parents last year? Wait a minute, I know

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you guys, sure from the news
splash? Oh man, what's on tap?

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First? Well, we're gonna go
with a quick warfare update. There's

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some important information that I think is
important. I'd like to give it to

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you, get your thoughts, and
maybe again break apart some of these stories

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to get some long standing lessons about
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the United States. I know,
I know, a shock on the part

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of the US government. Absolutely what
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enjoyed to see Edwin star. What
a voice. What a voice, I

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mean, even more soulful than the
Godfather himself. Yes, indeed, I

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gotta say I would have loved to
have seen everyone star. That would have

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been really, really, really cool. So let's talk about these stories,

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and of course, do let me
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audio, if the tech is looking
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And thank you very much. I
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check him with rumble chat in a
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a couple of these stories I've been
watching and get your feedback on these as

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well. First off, let's look
at anti war dot com. This is

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a positive so and this is not
the first time this has happened. You'll

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see this from antiward dot com.
The great and amazing yeoman's work of Dave

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DeCamp. State Department official resigns over
Biden's support for Gaza slaughter. Anne Shalen,

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who served as a foreign Affairs officer
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Human Rights, and Labor, has
resigned from her post, and she

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wrote in an off ed for CNN
of all things amazingly. For the past

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year, I worked for the Office
devoted to promoting human rights in the Middle

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East. I believe strongly in the
mission and in the important work of that

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office. Well, it'd be nice
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not. However, as a representative
of a government that is directly enabling what

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the International Court of Justice has said
could plausibly be a genocide in Gaza,

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such work has become almost impossible.
Unable to serve an administration that enables such

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atrocities, I have decided to resign
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State, she wrote. And oftentimes, as we know, especially as we

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have seen exemplified with such stark clarity
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the State Department is a facilitator of
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and NATO in overthrowing nation states,
starving people like those in Iraq, as

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we saw with Madeline Albright, and
causing havoc all around the world by communicating

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and working directly with terrorist ties everywhere. Just look at the groups that are

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involved with the United States as it
occupies a third of Syria. Sheilin said

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she did not initially intend to make
her resignation public, but did so after

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being encouraged by colleagues in the State
Department. Quote. When I started to

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tell colleagues of my decision to resign, the response I heard repeatedly was pleased.

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Speak for us. She's twenty five
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third now just in the past few
months to resign from the Biden administration on

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this particular issue. So just that
is a positive. But of course there

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are some negatives. Let's go with
a little bit of the negative. The

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hypocrisy of the United States government when
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Gaza, Dave DeCamp, children,
and now the state of things that There's

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been the Saudi who the ceasefire,
but now the US is bombing Yemen and

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in a bombing campaign that's not supported
by the Saudis. They don't want anything

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to do with it. And new
US sanctions are now blocking a peace deal

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in Yemen. There's that, and
there's the next story. This next story

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is about the United States smearing the
author of an Israeli genocide report and claiming,

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of course that that person is anti
Semitic. Let's go with it,

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Dave DeCamp, So I'm sure she's
not happy about that as well. All

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right. So the next one here, the US smears the author of an

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Israel genocide report as anti Semitic.
So the State Department on Wednesday suggested the

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author of a UN Human Rights report
that says there are reasonable grounds to believe

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Israel's committing genocide is anti Semitic as
a way to dismiss the allegations. So

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the author of this report, Francesca
Albinize, she's a UN Special rappertoire to

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the occupied Palestinian territories. She presented
this report to the UN Human Rights Council

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on Tuesday. She said, quote, Israel has committed three acts of genocide

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with the intent causing serious bodily or
mental harm to members of the group,

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deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of
life calculated to bring about its physical destruction

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in whole or in part, and
imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the

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group. End quote. And they
definitely have done that, considering all these

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assaults on hospitals, and if you
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at one hi Freet what hospital that
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that were left to die and never
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This is very heavy stuff, obviously, but I want to make sure

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that I cover it. And by
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not be familiar with, you know, watching my show or whatever. My

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last name's Goldsmith, and I attended
Boston University, which is like, you

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know, ninety percent school population of
Jewish people. But I'm not Jewish.

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It's an old English name like nailor
or smith or farmer or anything like that,

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you know, so one of those
professional names sort of thing English and

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Irish. And I joked around the
other day I said, yeah, so

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on Saint Patrick's Day, I yelled
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my own terrorism and my own imposition
of government. But I want to turn

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now to a clip that I think
will show you the fatuousness of the US

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administration. And this is an example
of many US administrations. Even those people

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who support Donald Trump, I hope
would recognize that Donald Trump was not exactly

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the peacemaker that they thought or heard
that he was, as he occupied a

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third of Syria and instituted and conducted
extra judicial murders of drone strikes all over

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the world. So let's take a
look at Mark Miller. I want to

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show this to you, some video
that I've collected and make sure that I

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can get this together. Yeah,
here we go. Now, I don't

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know who this man is. He's
a reporter who often speaks back against White

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House folks people. But I want
to show you the US double talk on

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Gaza. When it comes to a
ceasefire. There could be a cease fire

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that the United States could initiate in
the Middle East right away and could stop

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the Israeli occupying force which it is, from committing many, many more murders

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and genocide with what I think is
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money and future generations are paying for
from the United States, they could just

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stop sending them weapons. They could
conform to their promise to uphold the US

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Constitution. For goodness sake on Good
Friday, at least we could ask for

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that. At least we could ask
for a modicum of honesty from those people.

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But do we get it, No, we don't. But there are

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some reporters who are willing to ask
these people, well, you have all

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these agreements. Why do you have
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by them, and everything turns out
to be a paper tiger. With all

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of your agreements, why is it
that they continue to give weapons? And

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again, I'll remind folks, if
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last week from the House in the
Senate was bad, just remember again that

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it includes an automatic three point eight
billion dollars to go to Israel and mostly

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weapons. In addition to the fact
that again those people who are always wearing

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their hearts in their sleeves with our
money and our children's money, who send

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aid everywhere all around the world for
food and things like that. As David

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Crockett noted in eighteen thirty in his
speech, not yours to give as charitable

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as they might make it look.
As we mentioned with Jacob Hornberger's piece on

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social security recently, an excellent piece, it's not charitable to use somebody else's

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money to give it to a third
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theft. You're just propping yourself up
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what politicians do all the time.
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you anything new, but let's make
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the contemporary current news side of this, we see that the United States Relief

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Agency that has been giving the Palestinians
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their food support, as the Israelis
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more and more of that land there
and shut those people in and now is

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not even opening up the gates for
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Is delaying things by building this dock, this port, when they could

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just open up the gates on the
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they not opening the gates, they're
killing people at the gates, and they're

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killing UN food workers there well.
Now the United States, in addition to

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giving the almost four billion dollars as
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year before and the year before and
so on and so forth, they're also

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not sending that food aid money to
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food aid to Palestine. Now,
I know, far be it from me,

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but I think many sensible people look
at that scenario. They're looking at

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those puzzle pieces in front of them
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they're saying, hmm, I think
that last puzzle piece maybe gives me a

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hint that the United States is facilitating
genocide. Maybe the United States is facilitating

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Israel sweeping the remainder of the innocent
women and children who are there out of

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Gaza. And as I mentioned,
if people want to use the argument that

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Israel can continue to attack a land
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we'll see a little bit of this
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from Washington. But if they make
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for years, year after year after
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and held hundreds, hundreds a year
of women and teenage kids and people they

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never charge with any crime, again, extra judicial kidnapping. So if people

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are willing to give the Israeli government, the occupying force a pass to say,

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oh yeah, go ahead, do
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even the Israeli forces say, well, if we kill a few of

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the hostages, it's for the greater
good. Again, consequentialists totally immoral,

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and they've literally shot hostages who have
escaped and tried to reach the idea with

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their hands up. They've killed them. They've killed the people they're supposed to

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rescue for the greater good. You
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that collectivist domlant, don't you right. So it's a really troubling thing to

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see when the United States could stop
this in a few days by saying no

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more weapons, because the bulk of
the weapons that they're using in that area

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are US made weapons. So let's
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And again I don't know their supporter
is. I wish I could mention to

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you his name, but you might
have seen him before. He usually pushes

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back on a lot of this double
talk. Here we go, and so

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what do you expect now to happen
as a result of the passage of this

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resolution? So I think you expect
that Israel is going to announce the fire.

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I do not. It's so if
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hostages. So I'm glad you get
you mentioned that because one of the things

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that we have objected to for some
time is that most of the people that

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call for a cease fire, we
believe are calling for Israel to unilaterally stop

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operations and not calling for Hamas to
agree to a cease fire where they would

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release hostages. It goes so it
could but so the wa wait wait,

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wait, wait, but the resolution
today is a non binding resolution. Okay,

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so what's the point why why why
why did we abstain? Why didn't

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so? I think that's separate apart
from this resolution. We have active,

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on going negotiations to try to achieve
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the uh AN immediate cease fire and
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I can't say that this resolution is
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negotiations. But those negotiations are ongoing. They've been ongoing over the weekend and

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they've made progress. So I don't
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just stick this in your pocket.
If that's the case, well, what

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the hell is the point of the
UN? The UN Security Council? So

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we think it plays an important role. H absolutely nothing. Arrange every and

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that you're going to get what you
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the U N but out of SO. We believe it's important that the UN

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speak, uh and the UN Securities
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It's why we've been engaged in this
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to have a successful vote on Friday, that Russia and China, unfortunately and

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quite cynically vetoed. But I do
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achieve a ceasefire and the release of
hostages is going to come not through a

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UN process, but through the process
with which we've engaged. Yes, in

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dohat, unbelievable. Okay, So
talk about cynical. The resolution they're discussing

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there was introduced by the United States
as non binding just for cover. Then

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the United States didn't vote for it. They stood out as not voting,

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okay, And they have disapproved and
shot down other resolutions. And again to

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the point here is that the UN
is the United States globalist puppet. As

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he says, what's the point of
the UN Security Council? Well, the

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point is, of course, it's
an artifice for the United States to be

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able to do and British authorities,
for the globalists to do essentially anything they

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want to and build up a superstructure
which they have built up since the end

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of World War Two for interfering in
all sorts of nation states and then claiming

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that when those nations states say please
leave us alone, that they're the bad

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guys. It is, of course
it's just it's the gas lighting writ large

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globally of what these people intend.
They have to continue with these offices,

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they have to continue with these rituals
of statism all over the place, even

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as the United States continues to send
these weapons out. And as I mentioned,

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David Crockett in his eighteen thirty not
Yours to Give speech noted that the

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United States it's forget about not even
weapons. I mean, that's like the

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apex of it, even the stuff
that people would think would be much more

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humanitarian, in the food aid and
all those types of things. Again,

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just a reminder to the people who
go to Washington, DC, who are

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typically over my left shoulder. You
swear it, oh to the United States

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Constitution. There's no enumerated power granted
in it, if you want to call

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it power. Because the United States
Constitution, as nice as it is,

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that it has the so called checks
in there and promises that you won't do

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certain things you skirt that you flouted
all the time. So I didn't sign

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up for it, but at least
you could try to uphold your oath.

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Please come on, stop using me
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they promised to they swear an oath
to abide by the Constitution, as do

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the soldiers, and of course they
neglect it. They think they're doing something

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for the nation state rather than the
Constitution. John McCain, when he was

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running for president, said, and
when I got into the military, I

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swear an oath to defend the country. No, John, you swear an

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oath to protect and defend the United
States Constitution and to follow constitutional orders.

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So, for example, going to
Vietnam was unconstitutional. Sending weapons, even

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sending soldiers to Vietnam unconstitutional. No
declaration of war. The only other option

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is letters of market reprisal to hire
mercenaries. So, John, you were

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breaching your oath when you agreed to
go there. I'm sorry. I'm sorry

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to say that. Then we've got
the weapons, even the food, even

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the humanitarian aid, as they say. As David Crockett noted when he was

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in Congress in his second term,
he said, during my first term,

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I made a mistake, and we
saw a fire in Georgetown. This is

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his famous not yours to give speech. I saw a fire in Georgetown along

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with other congressmen. He was from
Tennessee at the time. A congressman from

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Tennessee, and he said, we
ran over to try to help, and

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it was a total loss. The
couple buildings, families displaced. So we

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said the next day we went to
Congress and we put together a bill to

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gather a certain amount of money as
some of money to help those families rebuild

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and so on, give them places
to stay. He said. Later,

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when he was campaigning back in Tennessee, he was walking along a farmer's fence

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and he happened to measure his gate
so they could walk near the farmers.

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The front was behind his horse taking
his plow. The farmer stopped. He

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said to the farmer, I don't
know if you know me. I'm one

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of those unfortunate fellows they call politicians. My name is He says, Oh,

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I know who you are. You're
Colonel Crockett or mister Crockett or Congressman

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Crockett. I think you might have
said Colonel Crockett, he said. He

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said, I know who you are, and I'm sorry this has no offense

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to you, but I can't vote
for you because you broke your oath.

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You have no power to do what
you think is charitable with other people's money.

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You have an amended the Constitution.
You haven't granted yourself that power.

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And again there's a real problem there, I think philosophically, when politicians can

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say, hey, let's get this
amendment going to grant us more power,

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and yes they you know, they
have a process where other factions of government,

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the states will then approve or disapprove. So it does sort of put

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in some attenuation there. But again
it's all versions of the state, and

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a lot of the governors and state
legislatures obviously will fee eat off of whatever

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Washington can give them. So David
Krocatt said, you know you're right to

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this man. He said, you
know, if you will help me and

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maybe appear with me in a couple
places, I promise you I will never

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do that again. I would like
to do some speeches about my mistake.

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And he did, and the man
attended with him. David Crockett got reelected

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and gave that speech in his second
term around eighteen thirty on the floor because

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at the time they were trying to
vote to give the widows of some veterans

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in his second term a package beyond
what the veterans had been promised when they

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entered the military, and so he
said, we can't do that. We

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already gave the veterans and their widows
what was promised. We can't add more

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to that because that runs against our
oath. So good for David Crockett.

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You know, it was great to
see that he was doing that sort of

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thing. And it's a good historical
reminder, I think, to tell us

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about these things. Now. I
do want to mention one other thing when

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it comes to you know, slandering
people, bull and so on and again,

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you know the idea that it's a
cynical ploy by the Chinese and the

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Russians to oppose something. Well,
maybe they opposed it because it was non

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binding. Talk about cynical. You
introduced a non binding resolution, then you

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don't vote for it. You continue
to be the main funder of the weapons

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coming out of Washington, d C. Mister Miller, and then you have

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the gall to claim, again in
a gas lighting way, that your political

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opponents worldwide, China and Russia are
the bad guys. I see. Okay,

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Well, here's one more example of
some of the stuff that the pop

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media has been feeding us. Here
is a woman who made numerous appearances on

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CNN. She has been exposed as
a grifter and a fraud. This comes

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from the Grey Zone. On March
twenty fifth, her name was Kochav lkm

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Levy, the Israeli lawyer at the
center of the campaign accusing Hamas of systemic

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sexual violence. And on October seventh, she now stands accused by Israeli media

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of scamming donors and spreading misinformation,
and the Gray Zone team says the allegations

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appeared just days after Akam Levey received
the prestigious Israel Prize. She's a founder

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of the so called Civil Commission on
October seventh, crimes by Halmas against women

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and children. She's a lawyer.
Alkam Levey has gone has been a go

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to source for Western media. You
saw our image there if you're just listening,

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and I was a still shot of
her on CNN. Media organizations pushing

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the narrative that Palestinian militants carried out
sexual assault on a massive and systemic basis

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when they attacked Israel. Alkm Levy
has starred as in a factually challenged CNN

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special on the topic, narrated by
the fervently pro Israel host Jake Tapper.

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Now this is not to minimize the
death and the attack against civilians that the

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Hamas militants committed on October seventh.
But I think it's important to recognize the

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ways, again to use the term
that Mark Miller used, the cynical ways

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that Western especially United States propagandists have
been pushing the buttons on sexual violence and

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women's rights and spinning that into it
when a there's no evidence that they have

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provided, and b it shows again
the cynicism of their ploy to think that

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somehow they have to make it sound
somehow even darker than what was committed,

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that they have to cater and somehow
try to play favorites with women. Seriously.

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So, she was in a factually
challenged CNN special narrated by as they

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say here the pro Israel host Jake
Tapper. And there was one time when

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Jake Tapper did mention that he has
colleagues who have family members who were being

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killed by the Israeli forces in Gaza. So he did a good job on

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that, but he identified her as
an expert in human rights law who organized

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a civil community to document violence.
Well, the publication Harets featured al kam

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Levy and Herets is not super bad. They're not terrible to use a sort

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of a high school term, They're
not super bad, or the name of

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a movie pretty funny but raunchy movie. Haretz featured al kam Levy as the

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subject of a puff piece which misleadingly
claimed that her work quote presents a horrifying

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picture that leaves no room for doubt. October seventh, Tomas terrorist systematically carried

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out acts of rape and sexual violence, and of course, on December sixth,

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twenty two, members of the White
House National Security Council, you probably

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detect a note of irony in my
voice, White House National Security Council.

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If you're just listening in audio,
you definitely probably are detected. Going with

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your ears, Security Council and Assistant
to the President and Director of the Gender

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Policy Council, Jennifer Klein, hosted
l km Levy in Washington to hear about

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her work quote, to gather testimony
and document evidence of the events of October

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seventh, and develop a comprehensive accounting
of gender based violence committed by hamas.

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Hillary Clinton traveled the same rhetorical path
at Columbia, and that was one of

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the days when protesters stood up and
called her a warmonger, and she had

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blood in her hands, as killing
Joke might say, or as Shakespeare might

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say. And absolutely well, here's
the rest of the story, as Paul

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Harvey might say. Now the law
lawyer's public relations extravaganza has earned her the

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Israel Prize, the most prestigious honor
any Israeli citizen can receive from their government.

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We must stand firm against the stark
denial and the increasing tide of anti

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Semitism, she declared. Well,
as I mentioned, when I was at

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Boston University with my last name being
Goldsmith, a lot of the kids there

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thought that I was Jewish. Most
of the kids there were not practicing Jews.

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They were the sort of you hear
the Oscar Nazi Jews. They were

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statist Zionist Jewish kids. And I
would hear things, and I might have

434
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mentioned this when I filled in for
David a couple of weeks ago. I

435
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would hear things from them about the
Palestinians, that they were animals. And

436
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.679
when I spoke up about it,
they started to say, what are you

437
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:51.199
self hating jew? And I said, well, first I'm not Jewish,

438
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like, oh, well, now
you're anti Semitic any way, they could

439
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:59.920
get around actually discussing an issue,
just you know, blackballing, painting someone

440
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.280
trying to use character assassination rather than
dealing with the facts. And you say

441
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to yourself, I would say to
myself, why do I bother talking to

442
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these people? The reason I had
to keep doing it was because of the

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power that these people wielded propaganda and
propagandistically that I would see in the media.

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It was ridiculous. I remember a
friend of mine from college, Lina

445
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:27.320
Matta, was a Christian Christian Lebanese
and and she was working on a documentary

446
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.480
in the late eighties about what Israel
was doing there and it was amazing.

447
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.159
It was amazing to see some of
the pushback that I would get at Boston

448
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.000
University, very very strange, and
some of the things people would reveal to

449
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me when they thought that I was
Jewish, it was inexplicable. But now

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you know, it really is manifesting
itself now here in in you know,

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in this terrible destruction. Well,
three days after she got the award,

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Israel's largest newspaper, why Net,
published a damning expose accusing Alki of ripping

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off major donors, including a member
of the Biden administration, spreading fake Hamas

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atrocity tales and failing to deliver on
her promise of a major report about sexual

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violence. On October seventh, the
paper wrote, quote people have disassociated themselves

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from her because her research is inaccurate, and Israeli government officials, oh,

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00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.760
this is yeah, the newspaper told
whyet After all, the whole story is

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that they want to accuse us of
spreading fake news, and her methodology was

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neither good nor accurate. So he's
saying, look, if we're trying to

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00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.400
get news stories out there, at
least we could try to be accurate,

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00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:44.320
and she's harming our cause. Government
officials were particularly incensed that alkm levey spread

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00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:50.920
discredited claims that Hamas militant cut and
sorry for the terrible footage, the terrible

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00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.000
visuals here in your mind that might
pop up cut a fetus from a pregnant

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woman before raping the woman, a
lie first spread by confirmed fraudster y'all see

465
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:07.719
Landau. That's a lie first spread
by Yasin Landau of the scandal stained Zaka

466
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:13.760
Zaka organization. Quote the story about
the pregnant woman who had her stomach cut

467
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open, A story that was proven
to be untrue, and she spread it

468
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.840
in the international press, the official
complaint. So it's much like the incubator

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00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:29.480
story from the United States trying to
invade Iraq. Right, absolutely, well,

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let's get to a little bit more
here, folks. Let's talk a

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little bit about the Ukraine story,
the Ukraine narrative. Just briefly. I

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want to turn to the bombing and
some very good information from Judge Andrew napom

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and big is got to refresh this. The computer is going wild here,

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so let's make sure I can get
this done for you. Okay, here

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we go. I think you'll like
this. And Napolitano on his Judging Freedom

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podcast, very good podcast, and
he has excellent guests every day, just

477
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over and over again. He's got
great podcasts. But I want to turn

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to and of course you'll probably find
her familiar, Maria Zaka Zakarova. She

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is the spokesperson for the Putin administration. As Judge Napolitano and his guests roll

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into this country. All right,
here's Maria Zakarova, Number nineteen Chris,

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the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman. Yesterday, in order to deflect suspicion from this

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very collective West from Washington, London, Berlin, which literally discussed in direct

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00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:55.079
text, as I said, possible
tourist attacks in our country, Paris and

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other NATO countries. They had to
find something, anything, with something,

485
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:07.000
some explanations. So they resorted to
isis you took this Trump card out of

486
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.360
their sleeves, so to speak.
And the White House, together with the

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State Department declared at the MAID stat
that Ukraine had nothing to do with it.

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End on the basis of what data, On the basis of what information

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did they draw that conclusion. It
is completely unclear. Only one thing is

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clear. They began to excuse the
KIV regime in order to excuse themselves,

491
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because everyone understands perfectly well that there
is no independent Keiev regime without Western financial

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support and military aid to this regime. Very good, and I have to

493
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:51.280
say over at my Liberty Conspiracy show
Monday through Friday six o'clock at Rumbull and

494
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.519
rock Fen and so on, and
my Twitter feed if you're looking for exits

495
00:41:53.599 --> 00:42:02.880
at guard Goldsmith gard Goldsmith. But
I was mentioned how the United States narrative

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that they warned the Russians, as
I read on my show, and I

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tried to mention to people, and
also has been noted on redacted by a

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00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:24.480
former CIA intel expert. There's actually
the US has provided no evidence that they

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warned the Russians about this. That's
their claim that they warned the Russians about

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this, and it's very unclear whether
they did or they did not. And

501
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:42.599
so there's still a lot of speculation
about that attack in Moscow, but one

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thing is certain. As I mentioned
in late twenty thirteen, the United States

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was involved with the Miton coup and
Victoria Newlan was intimately involved with working with

504
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.440
Nazis from the Slovada Party. Ole
Tiani Bak became part of their coalition government

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00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.519
in early twenty fourteen as one of
the outside people heard in her conversation with

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Jeffrey Piot that was recorded. That's
the infamous f the EU conversation from twenty

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fourteen. But a lot of the
wrongdoing started in late November early December of

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twenty thirteen, after the reelection of
Yanikovich, and they wanted to separate Russia

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00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.760
from Ukraine. They wanted to try
to stop Russia from being able to export

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its energy exports through Crimea. And
of course, once that coup was established

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00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.519
for about almost ten years, the
Nazis who were backed and the Azov Battalion,

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who were backed by the Ukrainian government, backed by the United States government,

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backed by billions of dollars. They
not only continued to conduct training and

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things like that, they slaughtered thousands
of people in that area. So just

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00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.159
wanted to bring that up with I
think some questions, some major questions that

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still remain about the veracity of what
the United States government is telling people.

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Now I want to turn just briefly
to some questions about narratives about as I

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00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.880
mentioned before, thanks to Tony Rdiburn
yesterday on the David Knight Show, the

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00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.440
Epstein Bridge, because, as we
noted at the start of the show yesterday

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00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:16.760
when I got to fill in for
David here on the David Night Show,

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00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:25.159
the story about the United States government
coming out two hours after the shipping container

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ship hit the support pylon of the
Key Bridge and caused the bridge to collapse

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00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:37.280
and loss of life there, and
that seems to have fallen apart because they

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claimed right off the bat that there
was no terrorist tie to it. Well,

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let's check out some of the footage
that they got yesterday, because strangely

526
00:44:52.239 --> 00:45:00.239
this footage. They only got the
footage when they arrived there about a day

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00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:05.679
and a half after the United States
government said well, we've concluded it wasn't

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a terrorist attack. Now, I'm
not trying to cast dispersions to say that

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it was a terrorist attack, that
it was hacking. Laura Logan has said

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that she says that many of her
inside advisors that she knows in Washington say

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that it was a sophisticated computer hack
and so on. We had that time

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period where they went to check the
black box and the black box suddenly had

533
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:34.559
a breach of a couple minutes,
just like the tapes of Nixon, just

534
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:39.239
like the cameras for Epstein. And
so yesterday tony Ardeburn of wise Wolf Gold

535
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:45.920
and Silver Exchange, tony Ardeburn happened
to mention that it's sort of like Epstein,

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00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.360
and I said, yeah, sort
of like Nixon, like yep.

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So perhaps now people will call this
the Epstein Bridge. I don't know.

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00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.159
Perhaps that's a little bit too light
when you think about loss of life and

539
00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:00.920
things like that. But there is
some strange information the NTSB as they actually

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00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.639
confirmed that they only just arrived more
than thirty six hours after the Biden administration

541
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.400
claimed they knew everything about it.
They say, hey, we got there,

542
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.440
we got to check it out.
Well, then, how did you

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know that there was no terrorism?
The Operations and Engineering Group was able to

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board the vessel last night and they
did a walk through of the vessel,

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including the bridge and the engine room. They were looking for other electronic components,

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any sort of downloadable recorders, any
sort of cameras, any sort of

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CCTV. They did not find any
of those things, but that search continues.

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00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.840
Okay, well, here's a bit
more information. I want to minimize

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this for you a little bit here. And we ran through some of some

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of the information last night on the
show and a little bit yesterday, and

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00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.039
it shows that the ship was still
making seven knots at one twenty nine in

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00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.039
the morning, the moment that the
VDR recording that many people saw began recording

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00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:15.400
the audible sounds of the alision.
I don't know. The noise continued until

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00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:21.039
one twenty nine thirty three, and
the pilot made a VHF call to report

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00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.400
the bridge collapse just shortly thereafter.
Now, a couple other things that I

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want to bring up here. Let's
go to a little bit more of what

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she had to say, as some
of what Laura Logan had said right off

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00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.880
the bat is confirmed. Here here
we go the cargo manifest fest. We

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did bring in one of ntsp's senior
has Matt investigators today to begin to look

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at the cargo and the cargo manifest
He was able to identify fifty six containers

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of hazardous materials. That's seven hundred
and sixty four tons of hazardous materials,

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00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:05.159
mostly corrosives, flammables, and some
miscellaneous hazardous materials class not okay, alrighty,

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00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:10.400
well, all right, that's not
so good. But of course,

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and I hate to make light of
this because as we know, it's going

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to have serious ramifications for the supply
chain and so on, and goodness knows

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that again, it's another situation where
people are overlooking systematically the areas where the

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United States government, according to the
Constitution, is supposed to have something to

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00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:36.000
do with it, and the areas
where the United States government is not supposed

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00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.440
to have anything to do with anything. Okay, So handing money over to

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the state of Maryland or claiming control
to rebuild the bridge, it's just not

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in their constitution. And you know
this sort of fatuous nonsense from these people.

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To do this sort of thing really
is something I hope people can call

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out. And you know, even
in a way, having the information and

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the ability to give to other people, there's actually something that one can celebrate

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and find some pleasure in being able
to do that to say, you know,

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I actually have a couple pieces of
deeper information that I'd like to relate

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to you, my friend. Did
you know that there's nothing in the constitution

578
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that gives them this power. You
know, as we mentioned yesterday, there

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are only three forms of land that
the government of the federal governments supposed to

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00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.239
be able to control, not national
parks, as much as people might like

581
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.960
them, and that doesn't allow people
to show whether they actually want the land

582
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to be pristine or nice or anything
like that. It's got to be up

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to people with private property. Now, on the constitutional level, that bridge

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is supposed to be controlled by the
state of Maryland and then the people within

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it. I would like to pare
it down even further to pure property rights,

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with no taking of my neighbor's money, no parasitism in any way.

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00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.719
I'd like to have voluntary interaction.
But as far as the Constitution goes going

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back to the colonials and their revolution
and what they came up with. And

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00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.400
yes, the Constitution was a user
pay of the Articles of Confederation, which

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was much more decentralized. And I
don't think we would be incurring encountering so

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many of these problems if they were
still under just the Articles. But obviously

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the Articles could not stand against the
machinations of people like Alexander Hamilton who wanted

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to centralize things. So I think
it's an opportunity to spread information about what

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those founders actually put together, at
least with the Constitution. But of course

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there are a lot of powers that
work against these things. And so I

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just want to show you a couple
of things on Good Friday that I think

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you might find interesting. This comes
from Tirin Rose Mandelberg of my friends at

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MRCTV, my co workers at MRCTV. Fairfax Virginia Board of Supervisors celebrates transgender

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00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:55.400
over Jesus. This last Easter falls, last year Easter or this year Easter

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falls on one of the left's favorite
made up holidays, trans Gender Visibility Day.

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00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:07.360
Washington examer and Examiner summarized this move
in Fairfax County in Northern Virginia by

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saying that members are quote sending a
message to Christians that they do not matter

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as they turn one of their holiest
days into a celebration of an ideology that

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undermines the church's core convictions. Chairman
Jeff McKay announced the following after the board

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unanimously decided to hijack Easter and instead
celebrate yet another made up holiday for people

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00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:37.199
who have a delusional sense of identity. Quote. As an elected official,

607
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:42.320
it should be our moral responsibility to
stand up for all people that we represent,

608
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not just the people we like or
the people we agree with. End

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quote. So she says, so
you mean to tell me that you'll stand

610
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.599
up for people who are living alive, but not stand up to for who

611
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:58.119
created you? Really? And the
Washington Examiner brought up a great point when

612
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:02.239
it insisted that the Fairfax heir could
have chosen literally any other day to honor

613
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:08.320
the transgender folk, especially considering the
area as overtly progressive and accepting of the

614
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:14.599
Alphabet mafia. I think that's a
very good point, and I would just

615
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.559
bring up this point. This is, of course, the tragedy of the

616
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:22.440
Commons, the tragedy of the Commons
states that anything that is commonly run,

617
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:28.440
not privately owned, we'll see everybody
arguing over how that's going to be managed.

618
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.960
And of course, now with inclusivity
out there and cultural Marxism coming from

619
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.960
the Frankfurt School on with Mancus and
so many of the others who brought their

620
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.719
ideas of Marxism into the culture.
And many people think that Marx was just

621
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:47.719
and pure economics, he also was
cultural because his disruption of things came by

622
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.400
leveraging the resentment people had from the
old feudal class system that was now being

623
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:59.679
supplanted by the Industrial Revolution, but
still seeing favorites being played inside, especially

624
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.000
the British Parliament with special Acts of
Parliament. As the royals started to decline,

625
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:09.519
the Parliament started to hand favors to
certain still royally connected people or politically

626
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:15.920
connected people. Marx was able to
utilize that for the common people to say,

627
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.000
you see, it's the business owner
who's bad. It's the bad guy.

628
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:24.239
It's capitalism. That's not capitalism,
that's fascism, or as Adam Smith

629
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:30.559
might say, that's mercantilism. That
is cronyism, crony so called capitalism,

630
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.559
not real free markets, but Marx
utilized that to gin up the hatred and

631
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:42.079
really push out his warmed over Roussaianism
to steal private property from people using the

632
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.599
government. So anytime that the government
runs some sort of property, you're going

633
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.760
to see that everybody's going to argue
over it. Now, again, this

634
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:57.000
is not to pooh pooh anybody's claim
about traditional American Christianity or anything like that.

635
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.079
And at least decentralization within small towns
or counties or things like that,

636
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:07.880
that's much more preferable. But the
lesson of philosophy, the lesson of logic,

637
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.679
the lesson of economics, all of
these things, all of those lessons

638
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.559
come together to tell us that anything, anything that has the state the pole

639
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.599
is touching, it will include people
who are having their income, their work

640
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:27.199
taken from them, siphoned off for
some reason, and so they're going to

641
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.440
want to have a say in how
it's done. I'm not saying that that's

642
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.199
good or bad. I'm just saying
that that is functional. That is the

643
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.679
way that it is, and it's
actually dysfunctional. It's the way it disfunctions,

644
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.800
you might say. And I just
want to give you a quick reminder

645
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:50.480
everybody of course of the Vatican,
because the Vatican during this Holy Week turned

646
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:55.440
off lights for Earth Hour to promote
respect from Mother Earth a number of days

647
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.239
ago. That story from of course
Life Site News. Please visit them because

648
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.840
they've often been they've often been shadow
band and torn as sunder by a lot

649
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:09.880
of the woke, the Google search
manipulation, YouTube things like that Life Site

650
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.440
was pulled off of YouTube and so
you'll see, of course, the Vatican

651
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:19.280
getting all Earth mothery. However,
while we have the opportunity and in about

652
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.840
five minutes, our guest Jacob Hornberger
is going to join us from the Future

653
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:30.519
of Freedom Foundation, one of the
absolute best institutes that you'll ever find for

654
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:37.679
reading about economics and philosophy and freedom. Absolutely terrific. I hope you watch

655
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:43.159
Jacob and Richard Ebling every week on
YouTube over at the Future of Freedom Foundation's

656
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.440
channel, because they have amazing discussions
about great heroes and economics. Frederick Bassi,

657
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.239
f A Hayek, Bumba Burg,
so many good Carl Menger awesome,

658
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.719
awesome people. Want to give you
a little something for Good Friday right now.

659
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.039
And this is something that is near
to near and dear to my heart

660
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:07.480
because I've gotten to see this this
person live a number of times, and

661
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.440
I've gotten to see him up here
with his daughter. This is a little

662
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:15.280
something for a good Friday, everybody. This is Andrea Butcelli and his daughter

663
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:51.400
singing a song you might know.
I wanna see. Yeah, we've heard

664
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:59.519
there was a secret chorder a day
we played and please when you don't really

665
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:10.000
m Julia gos at best, the
for the fish, the butterf major,

666
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:42.880
the barble cake, aboding, pl
all love me, abandon all Sipersma,

667
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:57.960
siri romo, prcuse Marito, sare
lager guy Belitz and con and no stategia

668
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:35.719
fairy and all mean to me klakma
littlevia carl lu and is santonoma too hero

669
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:52.280
nom kaam no no how er londen
from me? Do you spernel was here

670
00:58:53.239 --> 00:59:01.960
from even a sack cross in fa
king Tonabay no, I bow you.

671
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:51.440
I did my best. It wasn't
much. I couldn't fez so I tried

672
00:59:51.679 --> 01:00:00.239
to touch. I've told the truth. I didn't come to fool. And

673
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:10.280
even though all rongs tell me for
the Lord of suck with not in on

674
01:00:10.559 --> 01:01:12.440
my tongue, but holluvia oh isn't
that great? Just wonderful, and talk

675
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:19.599
about the ability of a person to
persevere. Andrea Bachelli blinded after I believe

676
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:24.480
it was a bicycle or horse riding
accident. Incredible soccer prowess and so on,

677
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:30.760
shifted over into vocals and singing,
used to actually sing in bars and

678
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.159
things like that. He's got music. In fact, one of his guests

679
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.880
on his tour was the musician who
used to play with him in bars.

680
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:45.039
The woman you saw up on the
balcony there as his wife. And we

681
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:50.440
got to see him for his Christmas
concert. And it actually happened over two

682
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.679
days. The first day in Boston
at the Boston Garden, we were supposed

683
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:59.719
to see Andrea Bachelli play, but
there was a delay, and about fifteen

684
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.960
minutes after he was supposed to come
on, and a woman came out,

685
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.360
just regular, you know, regular
clothing and things like that, and the

686
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:13.679
orchestra was all set up and all
the lights were looking beautiful, and it

687
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:15.760
was his wife, and she said, you know, I'm really sorry,

688
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:21.400
but I'm here to let you know
that Andrea has had a chest cold.

689
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:24.920
And he we worked all afternoon and
he thought he might be able to do

690
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.119
it up to the standards he wants
to present to you, but we just

691
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.519
can't do it. So we're going
to cancel the show. And I want

692
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:35.679
to thank you all, and I
know you all. You know you came

693
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.119
from various places and so on.
You took time out of your night.

694
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:42.760
We're going to come back as soon
as possible. Literally, I thought it

695
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.039
was going to be all next year. Well, she says, you know,

696
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.440
well, well, you know your
tickets will be usable. They came

697
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.960
back in two weeks. It was
amazing. It was amazing, and his

698
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:58.400
daughter was there and his son was
there, and they're just a great example

699
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:05.599
of people who and put their faith
in God and they understand that God put

700
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:10.280
them there for reasons and those reasons
are constantly revealed. So happy Good Friday

701
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:16.119
to you everybody. Sorry, and
big thanks to David Knight for letting me

702
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:21.119
fill in for David on this to
David Knight's show. Now, I want

703
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:28.639
to offer the opportunity now to bring
in our next guest, and that man

704
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:36.679
is Jacob Hornberger. Jacob is the
founder and president of the Future of Freedom

705
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:43.920
Foundation, and you might have seen
me mention his excellent piece among many about

706
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:49.599
what I mentioned before about fake charity
through government and of course much more when

707
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:58.840
it comes to the ripoff that is
the Social Security program. And so want

708
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.239
to welcome Jacob. I believe Jacob
is going to be there. Oh,

709
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.760
it looks like he's just away from
the camera right now, so we'll bring

710
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:10.559
him in in just a minute.
I think, Oh, are you there,

711
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.760
Jacob, Yeah, I'm here.
Oh great, I think we don't

712
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.159
have you on camera, but I
think we'd get You're just going on audio,

713
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.079
looks like right now, so we
can go with that. That's fine

714
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.199
with me. Thank you for joining
us. Jacob, welcome to the show.

715
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:27.480
Well, thank you, Gardner,
but I should be that I can't

716
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.519
understand why I'm not there with let
me see, let me check on something

717
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:36.280
here. We've got a background and
and your name, of course, which

718
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.280
is great, but we do need
your handsome face. And by the way,

719
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:45.239
kudos to you. I recently got
to see one of your brief pieces

720
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.119
in Spanish. Hello, Ah,
there you go, looking okay, They're

721
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:53.679
looking very very familiar. I've watched
that face and heard that voice many times

722
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.360
on video. Jacob, Welcome to
the David Night Show, and thank you

723
01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.840
joining us. That's great and Thank
you for having me Gardner. It's nice

724
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.320
here. Real pleasure, real pleasure, and you handle the text so well.

725
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:06.000
It's always so interesting. You know, we haven't met in person,

726
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:10.159
and I've admired your work for so
many years. And as you know,

727
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:13.760
we have your friends with Richard Eveling, and I'm acquainted with Richard from his

728
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:15.760
days when he was at FEE and
you were. You headed up Foundation for

729
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:21.000
Economic Education for a while and your
education. Both of you have brought me

730
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:26.320
so much. And you probably hear
this from so many people, such a

731
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:31.239
rich and deep, fun way of
learning, from people who are positive about

732
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.639
so many subjects. And some of
these subjects, Jacob, and this is

733
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.880
one of them. We're going to
touch on this now. Some of these

734
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.000
subjects are very very touchy subjects,
and as I mentioned to you in email,

735
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.679
one of the things we're going to
discuss today Future Freedom Foundation. First,

736
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.159
want to talk about how people can
find you, and we'll give them

737
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.920
a little preview. We're going to
talk about immigration in the border for the

738
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:58.239
bulk of our chat today, and
some people might find what you have to

739
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.840
say as running counter to what they
might have heard or some of the things

740
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.719
that they've really gotten intense about when
it comes to the battle over the border

741
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:09.679
and the United States policy and you
know, checking the immigrants and things like

742
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.320
that. A lot of nuances here. We're going to talk about that.

743
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:16.639
And I really like your approach because
it's the peaceful, voluntary approach and it

744
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:21.559
reminds people about some deeper lessons.
Why don't you tell us about Future Freedom

745
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:27.239
Foundation how they can find you online
and on Twitter and x and YouTube and

746
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:30.440
so on. Okay, well,
first of all, thank you very much

747
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.719
for having me on. And let
me just make a slight correction. Richard,

748
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:39.320
my good friend Richard Ebling, did
serve as president of the Foundation for

749
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:44.440
Economic Education FEE. As it's known. I served as program director, not

750
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:48.760
as president. Wanting to clarify that, so I founded the Future of Freedom

751
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:54.920
Foundation after leaving FEE. I founded
in nineteen eighty nine, and our mission

752
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:59.440
from the very beginning and has been
ever since, is to present the principled

753
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:03.480
and comparing case for the libertarian philosophy. And what we wanted to do from

754
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:09.920
the very beginning is to take libertarian
principles and put them in the context of

755
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:15.920
real life issues, so that rather
than just writing an esoteric article on why

756
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:20.480
the minimum wage should be repealed.
We take a minimum wage controversy occurring in

757
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:27.760
some state and we apply the libertarian
principles to that so that these principles would

758
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.280
be more relevant. So that's what
we've done for some thirty four years.

759
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.599
Richard and I work together from the
very beginning, and we're still working together.

760
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:40.440
We're very good friends who are on
the same page as the importance of

761
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.480
principle when it comes to advancing libertarianism, and we co host a weekly show

762
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:49.519
called The Libertarian Angle. It is
phenomenal. I've spent so much time,

763
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:55.480
you know, it's interesting, Jacob. Many many years ago, I was

764
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:58.960
pretty badly injured, and I got
and you're probably familiar with these things.

765
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:05.960
I got copies from laissez faire books
of the knowledge products, audio tapes narrated

766
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:12.519
by Charlton Heston and Lewis Rukeiser on
philosophy and economics and so on, and

767
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.279
I would listen to those over and
over again. Literally, I had to

768
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:19.319
do a lot of physical rehabilitation,
so I was lying down a lot,

769
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:23.079
and then I would start to walk
and I would listen to these on cassette.

770
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.840
I got such a great education from
those things. From some free market

771
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.159
people, and I get the same
satisfaction when I get to hear you and

772
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:36.319
Richard together. And what I really
like about Future Freedom Foundation is again,

773
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:45.439
you don't separate the consequences of the
morality of the moral choice of freedom and

774
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:50.039
peace leaving your neighbor alone. Because
it's not just the consequentialist philosophy of the

775
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:57.119
greatest good for the greatest number.
Because good is a subjective valuation in economics,

776
01:08:57.199 --> 01:09:00.119
it's also something we have to assess
ourselves their own souls, and when

777
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.079
it's imposed on us, that is
not a good. Politicians can't tell us

778
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:11.800
what is good for us. And
so from that moral core you always draw

779
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:17.119
out the consequences, the bad consequences
of even for the consequentialists if they want

780
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:20.079
to argue, well, this will
be better, No, you show how

781
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:25.439
it doesn't work, and you show
how freedom leads to more prosperity, it

782
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.800
leads to better lives for people.
So the idea of the golden rule of

783
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.399
treating your neighbor as you would want
to be treated, or treating your neighbor

784
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.800
in a way knowing that you don't
want to be treated a certain way,

785
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:41.399
also reciprocating that you do a great
job with that, and so kudos to

786
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:45.000
you absolutely, and please pass on
my best to Richard. He's phenomenal to

787
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.199
well well, and thank you very
much. I mean, I've always believed

788
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:54.000
that the moral case for freedom is
the most powerful case. I mean,

789
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:59.119
that's what caused me to just realize
that I was a libertarian. That freedom

790
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.399
is right. It's it's people should
be free to live their lives anyway they

791
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:09.439
choose, so long as their conduct
is peaceful. And as Milton Friedman once

792
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:15.479
said that even if freedom resulted in
let's say, more poverty, he would

793
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:19.239
still favor it because freedom is right. And that's my position. But what's

794
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:26.960
nice is that God has created a
consistent universe where good things bring good consequences,

795
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:33.199
and so a free society brings prosperity, harmony, peace, freeing people

796
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:38.239
to pursue happiness in their own way. So we've got all the best of

797
01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:42.199
all worlds. We've got the moral
case for why people should be free,

798
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:46.079
but we've also got the cases.
Freedom increases standards of living for people,

799
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.439
and it frees people up to become
the best of whatever they wish to be.

800
01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:55.119
You know, Jacob, you remind
me of and you probably have read

801
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.239
it, that short story by Ursula
le Gwynn, who passed away a few

802
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:02.079
years ago, the science fiction writer, and she was very much against Jeremy

803
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:08.000
Bentham's concept of the greatest good for
the greatest number. She was very critical

804
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:14.239
of utilitarianism in its early forms without
any sort of moral tie. And again

805
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.680
there's the illogic of describing the greatest
good of someone dictating to you, well,

806
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.800
this is the greatest good, and
of course the sacrifice of the individual.

807
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:25.640
She wrote a short story called The
Ones Who Walk Away from Omilas,

808
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:30.279
and it's about a city that's constructed
in concentric circles with a tower in the

809
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.960
middle, just like the panopticon of
Bentham. And the city is idyllic.

810
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:43.000
But once a year, everybody who
is young goes into the center of the

811
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:46.199
city where there's a cell. And
in this idyllic city, where there's no

812
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:51.720
disease and everyone is happy and so
on and so forth, every youngster looks

813
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:57.800
at a child, one child who
is kept in the cell, in the

814
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:02.439
dark, in squalor and pain,
and it's in a way it's it's it's

815
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:08.960
the sort of metaphorical application of all
the pains and anguishes, and all the

816
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:15.039
troubles of all those people are transmuted
to this one child who suffers for everyone.

817
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:21.039
And those people who see it and
walk away are the ones who are

818
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:28.000
moral because you can't just have the
benefits so called benefits for everyone. But

819
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:30.600
the key thing there is that you're
not going to get the benefits if you

820
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:34.359
don't allow for freedom. As you
say, and I think one of the

821
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:41.399
one of the very important things to
think about here is central authorities central planning,

822
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:45.399
as if A Hyak noted, as
many many economists noted even before that.

823
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:48.760
But you know, Hya cut a
lot of the recognition and so thus

824
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:56.000
deserved as well. But central planning
and the larger areas of control lead to

825
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.680
an information problem where the central authority
doesn't isn't able to get the information that

826
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.760
we on hand could define for ourselves
and express through prices and allow for resource

827
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:10.640
allocation and discovery. Instead, they
make the decisions for people. So let's

828
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:15.800
turn to an issue that you have
done a phenomenal job discussing the border,

829
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:21.199
so called uniform border. You might
have seen in my emails. I've mentioned

830
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:26.479
that constitutionally, the word immigration doesn't
even appear in the US Constitution for those

831
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.960
people who call themselves constitutional conservatives.
But you bring up a lot of stories

832
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:39.359
from your own experiences in your youth
near the rio and working on a farm,

833
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:44.920
and also talking about free association again
the economic importance of it. And

834
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.159
I'd love to hear your thoughts for
people. If you encounter people who are

835
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:54.239
very bound up over the federal government's
got to guard the border, the federal

836
01:13:54.279 --> 01:14:00.159
government's got to stop illegal immigration.
How do you explain it to people in

837
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:04.119
ways that, especially conservatives who might
be very worried about the so called immigration

838
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.800
issue. How do you approach it? What do you think is usually the

839
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:12.520
best way that you find is a
productive way where they won't look at you

840
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:18.119
as being some you know, excuser
for so called the Biden administration or you

841
01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:23.840
know taking on that sort of polarity
sort of thing. Yeah, well that

842
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:30.199
goes to methodology. And after three
decades of advancing libertarianism, I've concluded that

843
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:36.840
Frank Schulteroff, who was a famous
writer libertarian conservative writer in the nineteen fifties

844
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.399
and sixties, he got it right. He said, our job is not

845
01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:45.399
to make libertarians, it's to find
them. Now he referred to individualists.

846
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:53.760
But you know, I'm very skeptical
of convincing any conservative right winger of the

847
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:59.359
merits of libertarianism open borders. I
really think that our job is to find

848
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:04.479
the people who or receptive that are
looking for a viable alternative, because the

849
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:09.399
problem with a lot of conservatives is
their minds are just shut. And so

850
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:14.520
i'll, you know, if they
really want to gather enter into an exchange,

851
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.800
a well meaning exchange, instead of
just to argue. The first principal

852
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.279
argument here is the argument of freedom. I mean is what I said earlier

853
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:28.399
that for me that's everything. Now
that doesn't appeal to a large number of

854
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:31.760
people. A lot of Americans think
they're free, and it brings to mind

855
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:38.520
Johann Gerta's famous quote none are more
hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they

856
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:43.880
are free. But what I mean
by freedom is the libertarian concept of being

857
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:48.640
free to cross borders peacefully, to
engage in any peaceful act. That's essentially

858
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:54.000
the overall concept to live your life
the way you want, so long as

859
01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:58.039
your conduct doesn't involve the initiation of
force or fraud. Well, when you

860
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:02.000
cross a border, a politic you're
not initiating force against anyone. You're not

861
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:09.520
violating rights. I do a lot
of traveling by car, and I cross

862
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:13.079
borders all the time, state borders, and a lot of other cars that

863
01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:15.640
are moving in my direction or in
the officer direction do the same thing.

864
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.319
You don't even know you've crossed a
state border. There's no big red line

865
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:23.640
there that says state border. The
only way you really know it is you

866
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:28.399
see a sign that says welcome to
the state of North Carolina. So there

867
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.479
is no violation of rights crossing the
border. That's part of what freedom's about.

868
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:38.039
If somebody interdicts you, stops you, they're the ones that are initiating

869
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:44.520
force. Now again, I think
a relatively small number of people respond to

870
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.640
that freedom argument. I think most
people respond to the utilitarian argument, and

871
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:58.000
that is that this system simply doesn't
work. It was designed to keep people

872
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:03.039
from entering the United States without without
official permission. Well, originally they just

873
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.800
put a sign there at the border. Let's just take my hometown of Laredo,

874
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.439
Texas, which is situated there on
the border. They put a sign

875
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:16.560
at the international bridge saying you cannot
enter the United States without permission, And

876
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:23.680
that's it okay. Well, the
problem is is that people have always wanted

877
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:28.720
to pursue happiness by crossing borders,
by going to areas where they can get

878
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.359
a better standard of living, better
opportunity, maybe even save their lives.

879
01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:36.199
And so they're going to circumvent that
sign and I'm just going to go around

880
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:42.079
it by trespassing on to somebody's private
property, by swimming across the real grand

881
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:45.800
So that means the state then has
to build this huge police state. And

882
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:50.760
I experienced that police state. I
lived almost half my life on the border.

883
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:54.960
You got highway checkpoints and all this
and a lot of death, a

884
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.880
lot of suffering. It has never
worked, gardener, and it still isn't

885
01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:02.279
working. But rather than recognize that, people say, oh, Biden has

886
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:06.239
open borders, which is ludicrous because
you've got a massive border patrol, you

887
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:11.760
got a massive Berlin while, you
got now Concertina, wire check points,

888
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.319
yes, everything. So it hasn't
worked. The only thing that works is

889
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:20.399
freedom, and that's open borders.
Absolutely. And when when I think about

890
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:26.119
this, there are a few facets
we're speaking with Jacob Hornberger, founder president

891
01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:30.000
of the Future Freedom Foundation. Find
them at f f F dot org.

892
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.640
F f F dot Org. I'm
telling you, folks, sign up for

893
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:38.279
the daily emails some of the literally
some of the best satisfaction of your morning

894
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:42.079
and your day reading from these people. And and Jacob, this isn't.

895
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.880
This isn't to sing your praises so
loudly. I could sound like Andrea Butcelly,

896
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:48.680
but uh, it's just it's a
real pleasure to be able to chat

897
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:51.720
with you. If I'm looking forward
to this so long. You know,

898
01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:56.199
there are a number of facets,
little vectors that come in here, Jacob,

899
01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:00.319
that I'd like to mention when we
think about freedom of association, because

900
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:09.079
if market trades, we can ask
people, is a conversation part of your

901
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:13.760
freedom of association? Yes? Absolutely, is getting together for a date.

902
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:15.960
Part of your freedom of association.
Absolutely is sitting next to someone on a

903
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:20.439
park bench. Yes? Absolutely.
How about engaging in a trade, a

904
01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:25.520
baseball card trade or something, Yes? Absolutely? How about a financial trade?

905
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:30.640
Does there's no difference there? It's
two consenting individuals engaging in what they

906
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:34.600
want to do with each other and
not harming each other. Should someone aggressively

907
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:40.199
interfere with that? No, okay, then how about will apply the same

908
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:45.239
argument to I would like to buy
a baseball card from someone in England.

909
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.079
He made the baseball card. Well, you know, we got to pick

910
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:51.680
and choose here, and I think
the American maker of the baseball card.

911
01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:58.720
Again the consequentialist, utilitarian idea that
they seem to think will benefit the American

912
01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.319
maker or the baseball card, and
we can apply it to human beings as

913
01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:06.520
well. And a lot of times, from especially union members, they would

914
01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:12.039
really get angry about the idea of
more migrants. Now some of them would

915
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:14.840
think, well, maybe we could
get them onto the unions and things like

916
01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:18.479
that. A lot of political machinations
there, but particularly they didn't like the

917
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:25.000
idea of high immigration because they would
say they're stealing American jobs. And so

918
01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:28.640
one of the things that I did
very early on is I thought, Okay,

919
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:32.159
I want to do a study myself
of time periods in American history of

920
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:39.800
very high so called legal immigration according
to the United States government, people coming

921
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:44.039
in from Ireland or Germany or Italy
or something like that, and see whether

922
01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:48.600
or not the argument that native workers
lose a lot of jobs to these people

923
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:55.640
who will work for less, whether
that consequentialist argument actually held anyway. And

924
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.119
as I went into it, I
discovered that Julian Simon had already done the

925
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.439
work, and he had already done
this macro study of five other studies of

926
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:08.479
periods of high immigration. So again
they're skipping the moral part of it.

927
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:12.960
But when we look at saying to
people, no, they don't, we

928
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.560
can work through the economics, and
I often bring up the simple machines,

929
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:18.760
I say, look, and when
I talk to my students, I say,

930
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:23.039
I introduced them to the simple machines. I said, even cave people

931
01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:26.680
use the inclined plane. They might
not have been sitting at a table saying

932
01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.600
I want to invent the inclined plane, you know, or I want to

933
01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.960
invent the lever. But they knew
by using a tool that could increase the

934
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:38.600
amount of distance they could have,
they could have smaller amounts of force per

935
01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:42.359
distance, and one person could now
do the work that it used to take

936
01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:45.600
two. So now one person is
free. You're not going to complain that

937
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:49.680
that person now no longer has to
toil to do what one guy can now

938
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.840
do with a simple invention. You're
not going to say that man is now

939
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:57.279
unemployed. How awful. Let's get
rid of that invention. No, if

940
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:01.079
people like the invention, just like
language or the growth the spontaneous growth of

941
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:06.079
money as a way to communicate value
to each other and give people something that

942
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:12.439
is exchangeable. If it works for
people, they'll keep it spontaneously. And

943
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:16.079
this is what freedom of association is
why it's so important, because when you

944
01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:20.760
have these artificial impediments, they always
get gamed. And of course in the

945
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:26.880
end we see that the person who
could be saving some toil with being able

946
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.399
to hire someone for maybe a little
bit less. Now you're never going to

947
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.640
know what happened with that money that
could have been saved. Just like Frederick

948
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:38.159
Bastia said in the Parable of the
Broken Window, the opportunity is now lost.

949
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.479
We're never going to know the other
person who could have been employed by

950
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.640
the money that was saved. We
never are going to know what that other

951
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:47.439
person could have done if he didn't
have to help that one guy lift something

952
01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:54.359
up. And this I think translates
to periods of high immigration because people didn't

953
01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:58.880
lose their jobs. New businesses started
because consumers could save money. And it's

954
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:02.720
just like choosing a product from overseas
or working with someone. If you can

955
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:08.239
reduce your costs, you are reducing
costs for the consumer. Why do we

956
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.560
want to increase costs for the consumer. The whole point is to try to

957
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:16.319
get more for less. Right.
Yeah, your points are eloquent and insightful.

958
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:20.760
And let me address the first one
on freedom of association, because it's

959
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:27.840
one that often comes up in the
immigration debate. Often get emails from people

960
01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:31.560
saying, you know, we should
be able to keep the door locked or

961
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:34.800
decide who comes in the door,
just like our homes. Would you let

962
01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:41.399
anybody into your home, Jacob,
Well, we're not a national home.

963
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:44.800
You know, it's logical that Cuba
would think in terms of a national home,

964
01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:48.239
because in Cuba, the state owns
everything. But here in the United

965
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:54.479
States, where a nation built in
the concept of private property, so a

966
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:59.159
person has the right to exclude people
from his private home. In fact,

967
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.439
that's the kind of system we live
in. You have freedom of association with

968
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:05.520
respect to who comes into your house. You can discriminate against Jews, Catholics,

969
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:11.800
Blacks, Italians, whoever you want
to discriminate against, and the state

970
01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:15.319
can't do anything about it because it's
your private property. But by the same

971
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:19.239
token, I have the same right, and no one has a right to

972
01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:24.319
interfere with me. If I want
to bring into my home an Italian,

973
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:28.479
a Mexican, a Guatemalan, or
whatever, it's my right to associate with

974
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:31.760
whom I want. And I would
extend that to businesses. Businesses are private

975
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:38.239
owners, and so if businesses want
to sell to foreigners or higher foreigners,

976
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:42.119
that's their right. It's their business
and their money. So it's totally different

977
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.159
from this national concept of a national
home that has one door to it.

978
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:50.119
The other thing is very important that
you point out that the division of labor

979
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:56.159
that comes from immigration, it does
increase standards of living. And at look

980
01:24:56.199 --> 01:25:01.000
at the it wasn't an open border
of situation totally. The Ellis Island kind

981
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:05.720
of system. Government was controlling,
filtering people, but they let in around

982
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:11.079
ninety five or ninety six percent of
the immigrants, and this was one of

983
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.079
the major factors that led to the
tremendous increase in prosperity, especially by the

984
01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:20.319
time the eighteen hundred starts ending up
and the people at the bottom of the

985
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:25.079
economic ladder here in the United States, Let's say, farm workers that have

986
01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:28.960
high school degrees that are working on
a farm, are they displaced by an

987
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:33.880
immigrant uneducated immigrant from Mexico. Absolutely, and that appears to the farm worker,

988
01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:39.520
the American farm worker, to be
catastrophic. Actually it turns out that

989
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:45.119
he's much better off because, as
you point out, the immigrants are now

990
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:49.399
buying things at Walmart, They're buying
used cars, they're buying us clothing,

991
01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:53.840
and the market there all of a
sudden, as sign shows up at Walmart

992
01:25:53.960 --> 01:26:00.359
saying we've got this tremendous demand workers
needed here. So the Americans that had

993
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.760
been working on the farm are now
being employed at Walmart because they have educations,

994
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:08.239
they're, you know, able to
deal with customers better than the migrant

995
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:14.159
can, and they have an increase
in wages. So that's what's happened historically

996
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:18.520
that when you have this open immigration, open border system, everybody's prospering,

997
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:23.600
including the people that are displaced at
the bottom of the economic ladder. Uh

998
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:28.920
Well, said Jacob, Can I
ask you a question. I I sometimes

999
01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:34.760
will use the uh sort of the
the UH terminology that many people found to

1000
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:42.119
really rub them the wrong way during
the lockdowns of the the the picking winners

1001
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.680
and losers. The your job is
essential, Your job is not essential.

1002
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:50.920
To try to translate that into things
about tariffs, you know, I had

1003
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:55.399
James Bouvard on recently when I was
filling in for David, and you know

1004
01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:59.119
his book The Fair Trade Fraud is
just so phenomenal, it's great. And

1005
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:06.239
so we know that a lot of
people find it very distasteful to hear these

1006
01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:12.279
top down authoritarians telling us, well, your job is essential. What they're

1007
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.920
saying is I'm going to use force
to decide whether you can work right,

1008
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:20.399
whether you can go and get together
with people and actually offer services to other

1009
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:25.960
people. Well, that's sort of
same thing is translated to tariffs that I

1010
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:29.800
try to tell people to say,
if you oppose the central authority, the

1011
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:34.119
central planners from not only engaging in
the immoral act of blocking you from just

1012
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:40.600
engaging in peaceful conversations or work with
other people, then how do you feel

1013
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:45.840
about the immoral imposition of them choosing
what is an essential or non essential job?

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And then of course we have the
economic ramifications of that of that central

1015
01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:55.199
planning. It never works. They
are always screwing things up. And I

1016
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:59.199
say, well, let's translate it
to tariffs, because what they're doing there

1017
01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:02.960
is saying we know what is essential
and not essential. We are going to

1018
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:10.119
favor a particular field or particular workers, whether they're washing machine manufacturers in Ohio,

1019
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:13.680
and Senator Portman loves them, and
he gets Donald Trump to impose this

1020
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:18.319
ridiculous tariff on imports or something else, steal or something like that, and

1021
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:21.960
so that oftentimes people say, aye, you know, that did bother me.

1022
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.680
Sometimes you can't convince them. But
I think the same sort of thing

1023
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:32.920
with this sort of authoritarian usurpation,
this conceit, this hubris that politicians seem

1024
01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:38.399
to have, and I think many
people in a way use the politicians almost

1025
01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:41.840
as avatars. They buy into this
and they say, oh, yes,

1026
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.239
definitely, we're doing the right thing. We're stopping these other people for our

1027
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:49.239
neighbor. Well, you're picking and
choosing essential and non essential. You're telling

1028
01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:54.920
the consumer your choices are not essential. I'm saying to you, I am

1029
01:28:55.000 --> 01:29:00.680
precluding you from even thinking about dealing
with this person. So, of course

1030
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.720
the ramifications of that are very clear. As you say you have a police

1031
01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:09.840
state, you have checkpoints fifty miles
away from the Mexican border in Arizona,

1032
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:14.840
people trying to go to work and
again, seeing the same people every day

1033
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:16.159
rolling down the wind, They're like, hi, I'm trying to get to

1034
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:21.840
work again today, and yeah,
and you know, complete complete abrogations of

1035
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:27.000
the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution and
so on. And I think it's interesting

1036
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:32.479
because your experience on a farm is
something that really helps. I think give

1037
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:36.479
examples, and I worked on a
farm stand myself and worked with Jamaican migrants

1038
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:40.520
who would come up every summer here
in New Hampshire to pick apples. Can

1039
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:44.920
you tell us a little bit about
some of the changes that you saw as

1040
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:48.479
a kid working on the farm near
the Mexican border in Texas. And of

1041
01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:54.039
course people can actually watch you speaking
Spanish to spread the word of freedom in

1042
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:57.359
Espanol. If they're on Facebook,
they might have seen your most one of

1043
01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:00.319
your most recent posts over there.
Tell us a little bit if you could,

1044
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:06.560
about your personal experience and how that
sort of works into what you did

1045
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:11.479
professionally as a lawyer. And again
bringing it back to today with the central

1046
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:15.760
planning and the borders. Yeah,
let me first amplify on the two points

1047
01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:18.079
you made though, because they're such
good points. On the central planning aspect,

1048
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:24.479
You're absolutely right about the protective tariffs
and it's what you said earlier about

1049
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:29.560
Bossiat's concept of what is seen and
unseen that when they tariff is just a

1050
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:33.439
sales tax on a foreign good,
and when they impose it high enough,

1051
01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:38.640
people say, okay, I'll buy
domestically. But what's unseen in this is

1052
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:42.239
all the money they would have saved
by buying the cheaper product. They would

1053
01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:45.000
have used that money for other purposes, buy a vacation, buy shoes,

1054
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:50.119
and so we never see those businesses
that are hurt by virtue of the tariff.

1055
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:56.079
And you're right, it's what HYA
call the fatal conceit that government officials

1056
01:30:56.159 --> 01:31:00.760
have in terms of deciding who should
be protected and who shouldn't be pret And

1057
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:03.520
I also want to point out that
that's what immigration controls are. It's a

1058
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:09.680
socialist system based on the principle of
central planning. You have government officials planning

1059
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:15.079
the movements of millions upon millions of
people in a very complex labor market,

1060
01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:17.960
deciding what the total number is going
to be, what the credentials are going

1061
01:31:18.039 --> 01:31:21.760
to be, how much allocated each
country. This is what I call the

1062
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:27.359
fatal conceit of the planner. It
cannot be done without what Ludig Moon miss

1063
01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:30.800
called planned chaos, which is what
we've had on the border, and then

1064
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:34.239
they bring in this police state,
which now leads me into answering your question

1065
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:40.319
directly. I grew up on a
farm on the Rio Grand We hired illegal

1066
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:44.640
immigrants when I was in high school. I was out, you know,

1067
01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:47.159
we were playing. We would work
with the workers out there wasn't illegal to

1068
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:51.560
hire illegal immigrants at the time,
and they were my buddies, my brothers

1069
01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:56.520
and me, and we would play
football out and there. We sometimes out

1070
01:31:56.720 --> 01:31:59.960
sit out in the porch and eat
dinner with them. They were our buddies.

1071
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.039
They lived there on the farm with
us. And one day the border

1072
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:09.800
patrol came in without a warrant.
They could enter onto our farm without any

1073
01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:13.960
judicial order whatsoever, whenever they wanted. If we put a lock on the

1074
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:16.399
gate, they would just shoot off
the lock if we hadn't given them a

1075
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:21.159
key, And so they came in
and that usually our workers were quick enough

1076
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:27.279
to hide, like in a barn
we had there. And fortunately the border

1077
01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.199
patrol never came into our home.
We lived there on the farm, but

1078
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:32.600
they would come into our farm and
they one day they came and busted our

1079
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:36.239
workers, and it was a very
traumatic experience for me. I mean,

1080
01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:41.119
my brothers and I had tears in
their eyes as they were carting away or

1081
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.520
workers. And that was my,
I think, my real first experience with

1082
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:49.560
the immigration police state. Another I
mean, it shows you how far back

1083
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:54.199
this goes. This is like in
the nineteen sixties, this immigration crisis,

1084
01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:58.920
it's nothing new. It's been going
on for some eighty years. Another time,

1085
01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:01.159
I was headed to the b each
And Port of rams Is near Corpus

1086
01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:06.279
CHRISTI. I was meeting friends and
all of a sudden the red light turns

1087
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:12.279
on. It's a border patrol agent
and he pulls me over. No excuse

1088
01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:15.319
at all, no broken tail light. I had done nothing wrong, no

1089
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:17.640
speeding anything. He just says,
get out of your car and open your

1090
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:24.239
trunk. This is called a roving
border patrol checkpoint, of course. And

1091
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.359
so I objected, you know,
I said, you don't have the authority

1092
01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:30.399
to do this, and he says, well, you can follow me back

1093
01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:34.279
to headquarters and we'll resolve it there, or you can open up your trunk.

1094
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:39.119
Well I was late. I wish
I had said screw you, I'll

1095
01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:43.520
follow you back, but I didn't. I opened up the trunk and then

1096
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.399
when you head north out of Laredo. You about forty miles, you come

1097
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:51.079
over the crest of a hill and
you think you're in Mexico. There's this

1098
01:33:51.199 --> 01:33:59.319
huge immigration checkpoint there where they're stopping
cars. You can be subject to a

1099
01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:02.399
complete search there, like you're at
the at the bridge, where they can

1100
01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.840
you know, at the bridge,
they can tell you to drop your trousers,

1101
01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:10.880
drop your underwear, bendover so they
can check your body cavities, the

1102
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:15.199
same with women. They have you
forfeit your rights with this system of immigration

1103
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:19.279
control. It's not just a control
on foreigners. You go into nwobble loreto

1104
01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:23.840
Mexico for one hour just to shop
at the market, you come back,

1105
01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.319
you have forfeited your rights. If
you got a cell phone, you have

1106
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:30.159
you have to disclose your password so
they can search your cell phone if they

1107
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:35.119
choose to do this. This is
the this is the police state that exists

1108
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:40.079
along the border. Now they've got
this Concertina wire that's designed to cut people

1109
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:45.159
up. They've had this Berlin Wall, and then they finally criminalize the hiring

1110
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:48.960
of illegal immigrants along with the transportation
of them, caring for them. If

1111
01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:53.680
you if you're driving along a highway
and you see an immigrant collapsed on the

1112
01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:58.760
side of the road from dehydration,
You give them water, you carry them

1113
01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:02.560
to an emergency room, going to
get indicted for a felony offense of harboring

1114
01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:09.319
or caring for illegal immigrants. So
it's just a horrific system. It violates

1115
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:14.359
religious principles I shall love thy neighbor
as thyself. It violates economic principles free

1116
01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:18.960
markets, it violates moral principles of
freedom. You know, it just it's

1117
01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:24.399
very befuddling to me, Gardner,
why Americans continue to hew to this system.

1118
01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:28.800
And I've I've finally decided it's because
we've all been born and raised under

1119
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:32.680
this socialist system and you're accustomed to
it. When you become accustomed to something,

1120
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:36.640
freedom becomes a very frightening prospect.
It's like, oh my gosh,

1121
01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:41.279
that's unpredictable, Jacob. But you
know, the whole world might come here

1122
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:45.560
and all these catastrophic thoughts start entering
people's minds. Boy, those are such

1123
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:48.800
great insights. Our guest on the
David Knight Show, I'm Gardner Goldsmith filling

1124
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:53.279
in for David today on Good Friday. Thank you for joining us. Our

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01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:57.880
guest is Jacob Hornberger. The Future
of Freedom Foundation can be found at f

1126
01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:01.760
FF dot org and all so on
Twitter slash x. Is it Future of

1127
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:06.119
Freedom on Twitter slash x, Jacob, I believe so much. Yes,

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01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:10.760
yes, well we'll double check and
I'll make sure that I get that out

1129
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:15.680
there. I've never I've never liked
Twitter. So my colleague Bart handles it

1130
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:18.199
all. Well, what I what
I what I like is anytime I share

1131
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:23.439
one of your articles, it will
do the at future freedom. It will

1132
01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:26.439
recognize what you you know, when
I put it out on X, it'll

1133
01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:30.960
do the at so that you know
that I shared something because I really,

1134
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:34.600
I really appreciate so many of the
pieces that you write, and you know,

1135
01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:38.960
you're you're always featuring great pieces by
so many of the people who have

1136
01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:41.680
been heroes to me and sort of
you know, over time, as I

1137
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.359
started to lecture on economics, and
I used to drive five hours just to

1138
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:50.319
get to Irvington from New Hampshire when
Richard was president of FEE, and I

1139
01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:54.399
would go down there and you know, see Robert Higgs or Tom de Lorenzo

1140
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.680
speak or whatever, and it was
just it was phenomenal. It was just

1141
01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:00.880
the best time. And I have
to tell you, Jacob, one time

1142
01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:06.239
after Richard left Hillsdale, my father
had passed away, and my dad was

1143
01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:11.920
a proto libertarian born in nineteen seventeen. He had a copy of Human Action

1144
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:15.199
that he annotated for the kids,
you know, Adam Smith. He had

1145
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:16.880
notes. Yeah, and so when
I was a teenager, he was giving

1146
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:20.359
me Hazlet and Milton Friedman, and
I had a question. It's like,

1147
01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:24.279
Dad, I think Milton Friedman's got
a little something wrong here. And he

1148
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.680
goes, ah, yes, well
he's not exactly. He's good, but

1149
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:30.039
there's some mistakes. So you know, he was right on it. And

1150
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:34.520
so I used to drive down to
their Friday afternoon lectures, you know,

1151
01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:39.640
and then walk over to the library
and Irvington and see the statue of Rip

1152
01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:42.439
van Winkle under the tree and so
on. And it was wonderful. And

1153
01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:48.640
it's fascinating because when I get to
see these pieces by people that I admire,

1154
01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:53.159
You've worked for a great amount of
time, so many people have been

1155
01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:57.840
influenced by this, and I had
the opportunity while back to write a piece

1156
01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:03.359
at least to tell people as my
go to as a voluntarist, my position

1157
01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:10.239
is peace and the Golden rule,
as you say, but I at least

1158
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:15.720
will try to appeal to people on
the central planning concept. I try to

1159
01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:19.079
tell people that say, look in
the Constitution as you can see. As

1160
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.800
you said, you start to deal
with these laws and they pile up like

1161
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.600
layers of tarnish on silver, one
after the other, a new regulation,

1162
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.000
and it never works. Now we've
got the you know, many people complaining

1163
01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:34.880
that the government literally the central planners
that they always said, you've got to

1164
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:39.840
be the answer, You've got to
take care of the border. Now while

1165
01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:44.199
it's not doing what they wanted.
Now they're literally spending tax money to give

1166
01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:49.000
ten thousand dollars debit cards to migrants
in New York. They're paying for people

1167
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:55.079
to be housed in hotels outside of
Jullette Stadium in Massachusetts where the Patriots play

1168
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:59.960
football. So now we're seeing so
many people so riled up about the board

1169
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.800
under the central authority, but it's
not under the authority they want to run

1170
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:09.560
the system, and they're not learning
the lesson of central planning, which is

1171
01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:13.359
it just depends on who the central
planner is. So you're not going to

1172
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:15.960
get what you want. You just
have to And so what I do is

1173
01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:19.359
one of the ways that I try
to start things off, is you talked

1174
01:39:19.359 --> 01:39:24.720
about seeing the legal side of things
in so many cases, and you got

1175
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:28.880
involved as a lawyer when you went
back to Texas to try to help for

1176
01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.319
the civil liberties of these people.
I try to bring up to people,

1177
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:35.479
look, you're under a false artifice. You're under an artifice when you look

1178
01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:42.640
at so called federal government immigration policy, because the word immigration doesn't appear in

1179
01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:46.199
the US Constitution. If at least
as a voluntarist, I'd say I'd rather

1180
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:51.000
have voluntary systems like the Brehon laws
system or Viking Age Iceland or something like

1181
01:39:51.079 --> 01:39:56.039
that, or even the Articles of
Confederation, I would probably prefer. But

1182
01:39:56.640 --> 01:40:00.119
according to the politicians who swear they're
ohs, there's no word immigration in the

1183
01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:04.840
Constitution. The word migration appears in
it, and it pertains to a particular

1184
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:11.359
clause of the Constitution that was about
slavery. The importation or migration of certain

1185
01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:15.920
persons in the states now existing,
as they said in the Constitution, shall

1186
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:18.840
not be influenced by the Congress until
after eighteen oh eight, which was a

1187
01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:24.079
way to try to entice and conjole
the Southern states to sign on to the

1188
01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:28.479
Constitution. And then they had the
Missouri Compromise. They would never have had

1189
01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:32.840
the Missouri Compromise if the federal government
could control the migration or importation of slaves

1190
01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:36.960
into any of the New States,
because the slave state free state thing would

1191
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:42.319
have been negated. They could have
said we're gonna make you We're going to

1192
01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:45.680
make it impossible to import slaves there. As you know, we can talk

1193
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:49.520
about the evil of slavery, but
as far as their functionality went under the

1194
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:55.079
Constitution, then it wasn't a federal
purview. And during the Sedition Act,

1195
01:40:55.560 --> 01:41:01.439
the Alien and Sedition Act period the
Alien Act, Thomas Jeffefferson and James Madison

1196
01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:05.960
in seventeen ninety eight, they both
wrote one was the Kentucky resolve Virginia resolve.

1197
01:41:06.039 --> 01:41:11.479
For Madison, it's a state purview, And it wasn't until eighteen seventy

1198
01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:15.119
five with a Supreme Court ruling in
this case called Chi Lung v. Freeman,

1199
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:17.560
when basically the Supreme Court made it
up out of whole cloth. It

1200
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:21.880
was a California statute and it was
up to the California government. As bad

1201
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:27.399
as I think it is, they
were blocking importation of Chinese people to come

1202
01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:32.359
into California because they claimed that the
women were going to be prostitutes carrying diseases.

1203
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:35.920
Really it was a block against Chinese
laborers on the railroads and in the

1204
01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:41.399
gold cold mines. The gold mines. They didn't want the native workers to

1205
01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:45.119
have the competition. And so from
there it went to the federal government,

1206
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:47.359
and there we get all of these
things that you had to deal with as

1207
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:50.880
a kid as they grew and grew
and grew. From Ellis Island being the

1208
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:55.479
port, you've got to show your
documents now as you say you've got to

1209
01:41:55.560 --> 01:42:00.560
show your phone. I mean,
it's like checkpoint Charlie. It's easiness.

1210
01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.560
But again, it goes towards Unfortunately, I think a lot of the media

1211
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:08.079
plays on this. It all goes
towards looking to the central authority, and

1212
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:11.560
to break out of that mindset,
at least by showing people, look,

1213
01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:15.439
if you think that the Constitution is
at least going to be the functional system,

1214
01:42:16.199 --> 01:42:20.439
look at what it says and recognize
that they didn't want that sort of

1215
01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:26.000
central authority making those plans at least
go with some sort of confederation concept.

1216
01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:29.319
But they won't buy into it.
It's very difficult to convince people of that.

1217
01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:31.439
Yeah, you've raised a lot of
good points. First of all,

1218
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:35.159
I got to say, I'm very
envious that you learned about these ideas when

1219
01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:41.479
you were in high school. Richard
did too. I was in my late

1220
01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:45.640
twenties when I discovered libertarianism. But
so when I went back to practice law

1221
01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:49.800
in Laredo, I just hated the
system, the whole immigration system. Even

1222
01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:53.560
though I didn't realize that I was
a libertarian, I didn't know anything about

1223
01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:58.079
libertarianism. So I went to the
local federal judge, who i'd known as

1224
01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:01.279
a kid because my dad was a
lawyer, and I said, Judge,

1225
01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:04.800
I'd like you to appoint me to
represent illegal immigrants for free. I'll do

1226
01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:09.680
it for free because I think it's
a very arbitrary, capricious system the way

1227
01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:13.079
they're enforcing it. And it was, and I want to I'm going to

1228
01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:15.479
challenge the constitutionality of it now.
I'm going to take it to the Fifth

1229
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:20.359
Circuit on an appeal. And the
judge is fine, So he started appointing

1230
01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:26.319
me. And that was actually laying
the seeds for my discovery of libertarianism,

1231
01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:29.920
because one day I was out at
the detention center waiting for one of my

1232
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:33.680
clients to come over to me to
uh to talk. And I was watching

1233
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:39.159
all these guys walk around, probably
about two hundred guys in this detention center,

1234
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:43.039
and it had it had like a
concentration camp environment to it, you

1235
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.800
know, guard towers and barbed wire
and the walls and stuff. And as

1236
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:53.079
I'm watching all these guys gardner,
it hits me if if the leftists,

1237
01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:57.279
which I was, I thought government
should be helping the poor and so forth.

1238
01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:00.640
I love the poor, needy and
disadvantage so much. Why are they

1239
01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:02.880
doing this to these people? All
they want to do is work? And

1240
01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:05.600
so I went and asked a couple
of my leftist friends, how do you

1241
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:11.439
reconcile this? And I was really
troubled by it. This was before discovering

1242
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:14.239
libertarianism. And they said, oh, well the laws, the law.

1243
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:18.800
Well that wasn't good enough for me, because, as you point out,

1244
01:44:19.359 --> 01:44:26.199
the Constitution create brings it to existence
a government of limited enumerated powers. There

1245
01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:30.119
is no enumerated power to control immigration. And not surprisingly because in the Declaration

1246
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:34.199
of Independence, one of the reasons
for the break with King George was he

1247
01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:40.239
was controlling immigration into the colonies,
and that cited is one of the reasons.

1248
01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:43.800
That's right. I forgot about that, yeah, oh yeah. And

1249
01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:48.800
then in the Constitution they allow for
naturalizations as a way to become a citizen.

1250
01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:54.520
But that's a totally different concept from
people just crossing the border retaining their

1251
01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:59.560
citiship, working, touring, visiting, and so forth. And so that

1252
01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:03.359
framework was a beautiful framework. Now, as you point out, and as

1253
01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:08.720
I've pointed out, the Elis Island
system was not an open border system.

1254
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:14.640
Everybody had to go through a government
checkpoint, and government was vested with the

1255
01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:18.520
power to decide who comes in.
Now, they were flexible, they led

1256
01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.880
in more immigrants. But then that
leads, as you point out, to

1257
01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:27.319
the Chinese Exclusion Act in eighteen eighty
two, because government says, well,

1258
01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:30.319
okay, well, we're vested with
this power you have vested with us,

1259
01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:33.960
so now we're going to use this
power to exclude Chinese. Because it was

1260
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:40.800
a racist law. It was designed
with the idea that Chinese will never be

1261
01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:45.119
real Americans because they don't look like
real Americans. And you know, isn't

1262
01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:50.520
it interesting, because Jacob, what's
fascinating is the California statute that was exclusionary

1263
01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:55.640
against Chinese coming into the state of
California that was challenged. That led to

1264
01:45:55.720 --> 01:46:00.479
the eighteen seventy five Chi LUNGB.
Freeman decision, which was a completely errant

1265
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:04.720
and destructive decision that led to the
eighteen eighty two Chinese Exclusion Act on a

1266
01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:10.479
national level. So the very people
who were challenging that on a state level

1267
01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:14.479
ended up ceding the power to the
federal government, which did exactly the same

1268
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:19.319
thing that the Chinese Exclusion Act did
in California seven years earlier. It's crazy,

1269
01:46:20.359 --> 01:46:24.800
and again it's central authority. I
don't want to come down too hard

1270
01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:30.680
on those people who I think rightly
recognize the immorality and the injustice of central

1271
01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:35.920
planners now actually paying for other people
to move. I understand that argument,

1272
01:46:36.039 --> 01:46:44.359
I understand the distaste that people have
for that and the complexities of the confusion

1273
01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:46.840
that it creates in all these localities. But by the same token, I

1274
01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:51.359
think not getting to the root of
this really is a disservice to people intellectually

1275
01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:57.880
and also on a moral level to
not look at this deeper lesson and I'll

1276
01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:02.000
translate it to something here. I
was helping a young woman from Siberia actually

1277
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:04.840
moved to the United States a number
of years ago she wanted to go to

1278
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:09.079
law school here, and we had
met at a free State project thing.

1279
01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:11.479
She was dating a friend of ours, and she and I stayed in touch,

1280
01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:14.159
and she toured around for a little
while, as I brought her to

1281
01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:18.119
various schools and so on, and
a really nice woman. And so we

1282
01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:25.239
found this Mexican restaurant in a town
called Bedford. It was amazing Casablanca,

1283
01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:30.600
just incredible. And I started to
talk to the waiter and he didn't really

1284
01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:33.319
speak English all that well, and
I said, gee, you know,

1285
01:47:33.439 --> 01:47:36.199
I'm really glad you're here. And
we got on the subject of immigration,

1286
01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:42.039
and he actually let us know he
was not here legally according to the statutes.

1287
01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:45.800
Now the price is at this place
and the service at this place,

1288
01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:49.600
we must have saved ten or fifteen
dollars every time we ate there. We

1289
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:53.920
ate there over and over and it
was so good, it was incredible,

1290
01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:57.520
and she was just delighted. She
was this is incredible, this is wonderful.

1291
01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:02.479
She was a libertarian as well.
And so they got busted and it

1292
01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:08.039
made me think to myself, if
a bunch of mafia thugs had entered that

1293
01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:14.159
building every day and smashed a window
to take it in Bostia's parlance right in

1294
01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:18.600
a way and said, ah,
you know you bought that window from so

1295
01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:23.279
and so. I didn't like that. You should buy from veto my friend

1296
01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:30.680
and veto stuff costs ten dollars more
per window. That's money that that restaurant

1297
01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:32.520
is going to be losing eventually the
restaurant. When we were there at the

1298
01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:36.279
restaurant, they got busted, they
got shut down. That was a place

1299
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:42.239
where we were saving the ten dollars. I could use that to buy gasoline,

1300
01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:45.840
or go to a convenience store,
or buy a painting by someone if

1301
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:49.079
I had added up enough money.
So as you say, these opportunity costs

1302
01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:53.720
when we don't stick with the morality
of things, when we don't leave people

1303
01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:59.439
alone, when we engage in force, when one engages in force, these

1304
01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:06.640
have secondary and tertiary consequences that people
don't see. And so I do appreciate

1305
01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:13.279
so much your personal story and then
what you do telling people about these things.

1306
01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:16.000
And by the way, kudos to
you also about talking about how they

1307
01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:20.000
try to flip it in the other
way where they try to portray things as

1308
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:24.640
compassionate. Your piece the other day
on social security, going through the history

1309
01:49:24.680 --> 01:49:29.680
of Social Security as a Ponzi scheme, and how charity can't be defined as

1310
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:32.920
state action. And this is where
I'll make sort of my final point that

1311
01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:38.600
I've made a few times on David's
show and my Liberty Conspiracy show, which

1312
01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:43.479
is that even when one goes to
define charity, you need to have volition.

1313
01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:47.439
The politicians aren't the ones who are
spending the money on Alzheimer's research or

1314
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:53.199
on cancer research, yet they claim
America cares. They're not the ones who

1315
01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:57.159
are providing the help themselves out of
their own wallet for an elderly person.

1316
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:00.319
And Social Security and as you pointed
out, claim its insurance is not it's

1317
01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:03.920
a Ponzi scheme, it's a welfare
scheme. But I try to say,

1318
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:11.560
even if logically someone tries to define
a political border or barrier as a political

1319
01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:16.439
border or barrier, technically speaking,
that's not possible because there's nothing that the

1320
01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:23.119
state does that anyone can actually say
is good because the actual quality of goodness

1321
01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:28.239
hasn't been allowed to be translated through
anybody's volition. So the same thing applies

1322
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:31.319
to a political border. You can't
have there was no volition in the decision

1323
01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:35.479
as to where that political border is, where it's going to be placed over

1324
01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:40.119
somebody's private property typically, or how
it's going to be managed. Then you

1325
01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:44.119
get to the tragedy of the commons, where everybody's arguing over how's that going

1326
01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:46.039
to be managed? Well, the
only way you can really manage it is

1327
01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:49.840
if you leave people alone to have
private property. Then you can show where

1328
01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:54.920
people wanted their borders to be.
Because one person might say, well,

1329
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.800
yeah, I was a taxpayer,
but I don't like the way they're managing

1330
01:50:57.880 --> 01:51:00.840
that, and another pscesson might say
I like the way they're managing that.

1331
01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:05.239
It's impossible, it's not manageable.
And this of course goes towards the voluntarist

1332
01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:10.720
argument against the state itself and the
abstract But any final thoughts on that,

1333
01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:13.319
and then to wrap things up,
of course, I know you've got to

1334
01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:15.720
go at eleven, but there are
some other things that I'd love to people

1335
01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:20.600
wet people's appetite about the jfk assassination, because you're a real, real student

1336
01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:24.199
of this, a real expert on
this. But any final thoughts on the

1337
01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:27.880
border thing to you know, again, I don't want to attack people too

1338
01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:31.680
hard who are recognizing some problems with
this collectivist system, but I think it's

1339
01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:38.000
important to actually express this. This
is a problem with collectivism. It is.

1340
01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:42.640
But I think your human interest story
about that restaurant is so frigging fascinating.

1341
01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:45.640
And as you were relating it,
I was thinking about the lockdowns that

1342
01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:53.520
among libertarians there's a moral indignation and
outrage and Riley so over the lockdowns of

1343
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:58.399
so many businesses that destroy the businesses. And yet why is it they cannot

1344
01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:02.319
translate that over to what happened to
you there in your town. I mean,

1345
01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:06.800
so what if they're Mexican citizens,
they're providing a service, why should

1346
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:12.079
they get locked down and sent away? They're just human beings? Who cares

1347
01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:16.600
what citizenship they are? Absolutelyolutely yeah. I think that's a fascinating point.

1348
01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:25.800
And I really think that we as
Americans have the duty to lead the world

1349
01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:29.960
to freedom. I mean, the
whole world is mired in central planning,

1350
01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:35.319
admired in socialism, including social security, medicare, medicaid, school valuchers,

1351
01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:41.279
all these things that have come to
be defined as freedom and libertarian. They

1352
01:52:41.359 --> 01:52:46.239
have no more to do with care
and compassion than any other socialist program.

1353
01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.560
And I often hear that with social
security, Oh, Jacob, how can

1354
01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:54.680
you be so heartless? We need
to continue this for indefinitely because people will

1355
01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:59.119
be dying in the streets. Pure
nonsense. There is no care, compassion

1356
01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:04.079
with the irs, and the initiation
of force through taxation. Genuine charity comes

1357
01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:08.439
from the willing heart of the individual, and that's where we need to lead

1358
01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:13.039
the world to the restoration of faith
and freedom and free markets. We live

1359
01:53:13.079 --> 01:53:16.960
without social security and medicare and immigration
controls for more than one hundred years,

1360
01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:20.199
and everybody was fine, in fact, more than fine, and there was

1361
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:27.319
the greatest outburst of economic the voluntary
charity that mankind has ever seen. And

1362
01:53:27.439 --> 01:53:30.640
let me make one final point here. We should never forget that after the

1363
01:53:30.720 --> 01:53:38.039
Mexican War, the United States stole
and absorbed the entire northern half of Mexico.

1364
01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.159
Now you talk about an alteration of
culture, I mean, how could

1365
01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:45.399
you have a bigger alteration of culture
than to steal and absorb the entire northern

1366
01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:49.720
half of a foreign country that had
been part of the Spanish Empire, and

1367
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:56.079
including the one hundred thousand citizens who
though that we were automatically made American citizens.

1368
01:53:56.520 --> 01:53:59.680
Is it really unusual that people would
want to say that would want to

1369
01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:03.880
cross the border into what had been
their land for centuries. I don't think

1370
01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:08.760
so. And I think that's another
important point that we should keep in mind

1371
01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:12.920
when we see migrants simply crossing the
border to what had been their country.

1372
01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:15.960
You know, Jacob, you remind
me a little bit. I don't know

1373
01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:19.239
if you've got to see the first
season of the AMC TV series, and

1374
01:54:19.439 --> 01:54:25.039
I very rarely watched TV anymore,
but Pierce Brosnan starred in a show called

1375
01:54:25.079 --> 01:54:30.319
The Sun, based on a novel, and it's about the early nineteen hundreds

1376
01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:38.880
down near the Rio Grande in areas
that formerly had been run and owned by

1377
01:54:39.079 --> 01:54:44.159
Mexican people and then the United States
government. Then you have the Texas problem.

1378
01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:49.119
Then you've got the Native Americans and
they're all arguing over who should have

1379
01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:54.680
this land, who you know,
belonged to, what tribe had this land,

1380
01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:59.439
and so on. And Pierce Brosnan
now is discovering that there's oil interest

1381
01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:03.600
some of these areas, and it
is a fascinating look. It's a real

1382
01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:08.640
great snapshot, very honest as well. I think from at least the history

1383
01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:14.119
that I know of the area,
about all the disparate interests and arguing arguing

1384
01:55:14.199 --> 01:55:16.359
that went on about well our family
was here first, and our family was

1385
01:55:16.399 --> 01:55:20.520
here first, Well this happened to
us. It's fascinating and it's it's really

1386
01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:26.479
quite something to see. And you
know, just from a sentimental standpoint,

1387
01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:30.520
you know, I hate to say
for my own interest purposes, because these

1388
01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.520
are real lives that are at hand
and at stake, and you know,

1389
01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:36.720
people's rights that are being abrogated.
But to look into the history itself is

1390
01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:40.920
very enriching, I think, and
you do a great job even in your

1391
01:55:41.039 --> 01:55:45.199
personal story showing snapshots or maybe film, because it's so much more rich.

1392
01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:50.119
It's so much richer to be able
to show people what that's like. Actually,

1393
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:55.920
this isn't this isn't an intentional transition, but I was. I was

1394
01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:01.520
checking out your recent and for this
second time, part of your series on

1395
01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:08.439
the jfk assassination, in particularly the
Zubruder film and the edits that seem to

1396
01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:12.600
have been made from the original Zubruder
film, and you have done great work

1397
01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:16.119
on that, and I'd love to
whet people's appetites before you go about how

1398
01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:20.000
they can find some of your work
on the JFK Assassination, because you've done

1399
01:56:20.199 --> 01:56:26.840
multiple episodes on things, written extensively
a book about this. Could you tell

1400
01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:30.760
us a little bit about your take
on where people might want to find some

1401
01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:32.880
of your work on the JFK assassination
and the cover ups and so on.

1402
01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:38.560
Yeah. Well, the very best
book to start out with for somebody that

1403
01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:45.600
is interested in understanding why this is
not a conspiracy theory but in fact is

1404
01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:50.800
a fact and fact that has been
proven beyond a reasonable doubt, in my

1405
01:56:50.960 --> 01:56:56.960
opinion is the very best book is
JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas,

1406
01:56:57.399 --> 01:57:00.840
and I'd recommend everybody start with that
book. It's the best overall, deep,

1407
01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:06.640
profound, easily read synopsis of this
national security state regime change operation.

1408
01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:13.279
Then go to my book The Kennedy
Autopsy, which is FFF's all time bestseller.

1409
01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:19.159
And then it's really a synopsis of
a five volume book by a man

1410
01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:27.319
named Doug Horn called Inside the Assassination
Records Review Board, and Horn served on

1411
01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:31.680
the staff of the Assassination Records Review
Board in the nineteen nineties, and Horn's

1412
01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:39.560
book put the matter over the line
for me beyond a reasonable doubt. Prior

1413
01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:43.960
to that time, I had been
convinced that it was a regime change operation

1414
01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:46.600
based on all the evidence, but
I couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt,

1415
01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:49.119
which is, you know, is
the standard of proof in a criminal

1416
01:57:49.239 --> 01:57:54.560
case. Horn's book put me over
the line on beyond a reasonable doubt.

1417
01:57:55.239 --> 01:57:58.000
And I think like a lawyer,
you know, I don't think in terms

1418
01:57:58.039 --> 01:58:00.760
of conspiracy theories. I was a
trial to journey for twelve years. Well,

1419
01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:06.479
Horn's book concentrates on the autopsy that
was conducted on President Kennedy's body and

1420
01:58:08.079 --> 01:58:13.720
documents an excruciating detail the fraudulent nature
of that autopsy. Well, once you

1421
01:58:13.960 --> 01:58:18.159
establish beyond a reasonable doubt that there
was a fraudulent autopsy conducted by the military,

1422
01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:24.359
it's case closed. That's it now, because there's no innocent explanation for

1423
01:58:24.520 --> 01:58:29.399
a fraudulent autopsy. It's over that
no one had ever come up with an

1424
01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:33.479
innocent explanation for a fraudulent autopsy.
And like I say, Horn documents it.

1425
01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:41.000
We could go into examples, but
that sealed it for me. So

1426
01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:45.920
I would recommend the Kennedy autopsy.
Now, my newest book is called The

1427
01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:51.520
An Encounter with Evil. The Abraham's
a Brewder story. One of the things

1428
01:58:51.560 --> 01:59:00.199
about the fraudulent autopsy Gardener was that
the military came up with a photograph that

1429
01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:03.560
showed the back of Kennedy's head to
be intact. Well, all the Dallas

1430
01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:10.960
doctors and the nurses and Secret Service
agent Clint Hill and my multitude of witnesses

1431
01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:14.720
said Kennedy had a massive hole in
the back of his head. These were

1432
01:59:14.800 --> 01:59:18.760
the treating physicians. So something's wrong
there. You've got a fraudulent film,

1433
01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:25.680
a fraudulent photograph that's falsely depicting this
had to be intact. Well, the

1434
01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:30.159
z the Bruder film also shows the
back of Kennedy's had to be intact.

1435
01:59:30.840 --> 01:59:33.000
So I decided to delve into that. And I wasn't the first one,

1436
01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:38.119
I mean, but I wrote this
book showing that what happened on the weekend

1437
01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:42.159
of the assassination, contrary to what
had been the official story, was that

1438
01:59:42.399 --> 01:59:47.319
the original of the Bruder film is
diverted to a CIA photographic center, first

1439
01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:53.039
in Washington and then over to Rochester, New York, where they produced an

1440
01:59:53.119 --> 01:59:57.640
altered copy of the film. And
I document that in the book in detail.

1441
01:59:57.760 --> 02:00:01.359
Because in Rochester they could essentially to
do anything Hollywood could do, and

1442
02:00:01.479 --> 02:00:05.399
that's where they produced an altered copy
in order to show that the back of

1443
02:00:05.439 --> 02:00:11.800
the head was intact to match their
fraudulent photographs. So that's the essence of

1444
02:00:12.399 --> 02:00:15.520
my books, and really they revolve
around Horn was the real pioneer in this.

1445
02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:24.159
We also have conferences that we've held
featuring Horn and other people we featured

1446
02:00:24.199 --> 02:00:29.880
Oliver Stone that are on our website
showing the fraudulent nature of the autopsy,

1447
02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:34.199
the Cold War context why they did
this. Another book I'd highly recommend is

1448
02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:41.159
JFK's War with the National Security Establishment
Why Kennedy was assassinated. This goes to

1449
02:00:41.319 --> 02:00:45.079
motive. We published that book,
the Future of Freedom Foundation. It was

1450
02:00:45.119 --> 02:00:48.239
written by Horn. So if you
take these books and Horne's the most difficult

1451
02:00:48.359 --> 02:00:51.479
read of them all. It's a
five volume work, but I will guarantee

1452
02:00:51.479 --> 02:00:57.840
you you get through Horn's books and
you will have no doubts at all.

1453
02:00:58.239 --> 02:01:00.760
I don't have any doubts after reading. And in fact, we also published

1454
02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:06.119
a multi part video by Horn that
is our most downloaded video in our history,

1455
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:13.560
detailing the fraudulent nature of this autopsy. Uh. It's it's rich work,

1456
02:01:14.520 --> 02:01:18.640
I think, and really it must
have consumed a lot of time.

1457
02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:24.960
But once you start to see that
the narrative that you were sold is a

1458
02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:28.600
fake narrative, then you say why
is it fake? And then you start

1459
02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:30.920
to unpeel the onion. And it's
a pretty rancid onion, that's for sure.

1460
02:01:31.560 --> 02:01:34.560
Well, and let me let me
say that that the real point of

1461
02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:40.600
this is not to see criminal justice, because everybody's involved in this is dead

1462
02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:45.760
now. It's to it's to challenge
that what I consider the greatest mistake in

1463
02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:48.479
US history, and that was converged
the conversion of the federal government to a

1464
02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:54.039
national security state consistent of the Pentagon, the CIA, the NSA, the

1465
02:01:54.159 --> 02:02:00.079
vast military industrial complex. This,
I mean is a horrific governmental system that

1466
02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:03.000
we live under now. In national
security state, you got totalitarian powers,

1467
02:02:03.159 --> 02:02:09.880
power of assassination, torture, indefinite
detention, including of Americans. And so

1468
02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:14.000
that's the real point of this is
that I'm trying to raise people's vision as

1469
02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:18.840
to the importance of restoring our original
governmental system established by the Constitution and which

1470
02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:23.039
lasted for one hundred and fifty years
or so, and that was a limited

1471
02:02:23.119 --> 02:02:28.399
government republic, which is the total
opposite of a National Security State. If

1472
02:02:28.479 --> 02:02:30.399
I may, I'd like to also
mention something that I should have mentioned in

1473
02:02:30.479 --> 02:02:35.439
our immigration discussion is that we're not
the only ones making this case. There's

1474
02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:40.399
three other great books that I'd recommend
to people. One is brand new.

1475
02:02:40.479 --> 02:02:44.279
It came out about a month ago
called The Case for Open Borders by John

1476
02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:47.520
Washington. I think it's one of
the best books I've ever read on immigration.

1477
02:02:47.600 --> 02:02:53.640
It addresses every single objection to open
borders that people raise. There's our

1478
02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:57.840
book that we published thirty years ago
called The Case for Free Trade and Open

1479
02:02:57.920 --> 02:03:02.920
Immigration. A third book is Open
Borders by Brian Kaplan, who's brilliant,

1480
02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:08.920
a brilliant economics professor at George Mason
University, which I consider the best economics

1481
02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:13.960
department in the country, and then
from a free market Austrian perspective. And

1482
02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:17.439
then the fourth book I'd recommend is
a book called Let Them In The Case

1483
02:03:17.479 --> 02:03:21.600
for Open Borders by Jason Riley,
who serves on the editorial board of The

1484
02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:27.560
Wall Street Journal. You read these
four books and I will guarantee you that

1485
02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:31.399
you will be an open borders advocate
because it's not just some esoteric pine in

1486
02:03:31.439 --> 02:03:36.039
the sky theory. There's people actually
making the intellectual, moral, religious case

1487
02:03:36.239 --> 02:03:41.319
and economic case for this concept.
Well, that's so well stated, and

1488
02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:44.199
I'm so glad you brought that up. In fact, Brian Kaplan was here

1489
02:03:44.239 --> 02:03:47.960
two weeks ago speaking in New Hampshire
at a Free State Project event and so

1490
02:03:48.079 --> 02:03:51.720
a lot of people were really excited
to see him, and it just it's

1491
02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:56.319
amazing the nexus of people that you
find. You say to yourself, Oh,

1492
02:03:56.359 --> 02:03:58.760
I like this person's work here,
and then you find out that they

1493
02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:01.359
did excellent work over here, and
you say, oh, I'm enriched even

1494
02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:05.279
more. This is great. So
same thing with Brian Kaplan's work and your

1495
02:04:05.399 --> 02:04:10.399
work and Richard's work. And I
highly recommend if people get the opportunity.

1496
02:04:10.680 --> 02:04:15.399
I bought an Encounter with Evil most
recently from the store over there, and

1497
02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:18.720
there's so many great items at f
FF dot org. In the store you

1498
02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:25.000
can get all sorts of excellent stuff, everything on monetary so called policy,

1499
02:04:25.079 --> 02:04:30.439
which that term itself indicates a problem. And over into immigration and history,

1500
02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:35.800
Austrian economics history mixed in with the
Austrian economics theory and the practicality of leaving

1501
02:04:35.880 --> 02:04:41.800
one's neighbor alone. Jacob, thank
you, Thank you so much for being

1502
02:04:41.880 --> 02:04:45.960
here. It's been an absolute pleasure
and I hope I get to talk to

1503
02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:48.479
you again. This is great,
phenomenal. I just can't tell you this

1504
02:04:48.560 --> 02:04:54.479
has been an hour of pure joy
for me. It's just it's been a

1505
02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:58.000
real, real pleasure to interact with
you on thesen. Thank you for letting

1506
02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:01.199
me share my perspective with you and
your or your viewers. It has really

1507
02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:04.119
been nice. Well, thank you
for your work, and I'll be in

1508
02:05:04.199 --> 02:05:06.560
touch with you uya an email a
little bit later today. I have to

1509
02:05:06.600 --> 02:05:10.359
go to a couple of appointments this
afternoon and so, but i'll write to

1510
02:05:10.399 --> 02:05:13.239
you tonight, send you links and
things like that, and of course,

1511
02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:15.159
as long as the NSA doesn't arrest
me, i'll email you. Okay,

1512
02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:21.359
maybe we'll end up in Guantanamo and
share the same cell together. You can

1513
02:05:21.439 --> 02:05:28.319
teach me espion. Thank you so
much, Garter God, real pleasure,

1514
02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:31.000
you got it. Thank you,
Jacob, real pleasure. Absolutely so great

1515
02:05:31.079 --> 02:05:34.279
to talk to Jacob Hornberger. What
a nice, nice man. And of

1516
02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:40.239
course f FF dot org. Everyone
check out f FF dot org and Jacob

1517
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:47.479
Hornberger's work is absolutely great. I
hope that you will find him there and

1518
02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:51.079
check out all the work that Richard
Eblink does as well, and check out

1519
02:05:51.119 --> 02:05:55.119
all the great books. Well,
coming up in just a minute, we're

1520
02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:59.760
going to be speaking with our next
guest, another great proponent of freedom.

1521
02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:05.319
He is, of course, Eric
Peters of Eric Peters Autos dot com.

1522
02:06:05.520 --> 02:06:11.439
And we're gonna check out Eric and
see what he has to offer coming up

1523
02:06:11.479 --> 02:06:18.039
on the David Knight Show. If
you like the Eagles, the Cars,

1524
02:06:19.079 --> 02:06:28.399
and Huey Lewis in the news,
you'll love the classic Hits channel at APS

1525
02:06:28.600 --> 02:06:33.239
Radio, download our app or listen
now at APS radio dot com. Well,

1526
02:06:33.319 --> 02:06:36.359
all right, all right, all
right, let's get right to it,

1527
02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:41.680
everybody. Let's bring in our guest. He is none other than Eric

1528
02:06:41.760 --> 02:06:45.439
Peters of Eric Peters Autos and Eric, welcome to the show. And I

1529
02:06:45.520 --> 02:06:49.840
know you've been listening to the conversation
with Jacob Hornberger and you've got a lot

1530
02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:54.920
to offer at Eric Peters audos dot
com. People can follow you at on

1531
02:06:55.399 --> 02:07:00.399
x as at Libertarian carg And welcome
to the show, my friend. How

1532
02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:03.479
are you? I'm good guard?
You heretical? Wrong think? Are you

1533
02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:11.479
talking about leaving other people alone?
Bad? Bad man, bad bad bad

1534
02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:15.760
Cornfield? Time for me. Huh, It's incredible, isn't it. Yeah,

1535
02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:17.479
Billy Mummy's gonna turn me into a
jack in the box. Right.

1536
02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:20.920
Do you remember there's a great meme
I have it somewhere on my desktop and

1537
02:07:21.000 --> 02:07:25.399
it shows a guy, you know, and he's kind of cut his hands

1538
02:07:25.399 --> 02:07:29.560
above the globe and it says libertarians
plotting to take over the world and leave

1539
02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:35.319
you alone. How evil? Right, And it really goes towards good,

1540
02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:41.840
the concept good ideas don't require force. Right. And you've been writing about

1541
02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:45.479
this, you know we I was
reporting on liberty conspiracy on the in the

1542
02:07:45.560 --> 02:07:49.600
Evening program about again the collapse of
the ev markets and so on. And

1543
02:07:50.039 --> 02:07:56.960
still the pop media people still try
to use these rose colored terms like well,

1544
02:07:57.079 --> 02:08:01.920
they're taking strategic withdrawal from the market, doing this and do that,

1545
02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:05.760
Like no, the market is collapsing
and the central planners are forcing people,

1546
02:08:05.800 --> 02:08:09.960
they're pushing their ideas on people.
Then we have Al Gore recently appearing on

1547
02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:16.600
CNN with of course Jake Tapper talking
about we've got an opportunity. We can

1548
02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:20.479
stop we can go to net zero, We'll stop the climate change, and

1549
02:08:20.199 --> 02:08:24.079
my wed my marriage will no longer
be burning to the ground, you know,

1550
02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:28.560
I mean, it's utterly ridiculous.
Why don't you tell us about some

1551
02:08:28.640 --> 02:08:31.720
of your observations on some of any
of the big news stories that are out

1552
02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:33.800
there right now? How don't we
start with the Royal week? Isn't it

1553
02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:37.640
great? How? You know you
and I always get subsumed and encompassed by

1554
02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:43.760
we you know, we're aggregated into
this great collective somehow. Yeah, a

1555
02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:48.880
few individuals presume to represent and speak
for us, and as far as yeah,

1556
02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:52.239
the strategic withdrawal that sounds like Hitler
in nineteen forty four. We have

1557
02:08:52.319 --> 02:09:00.279
bennings of war. You must believe
he is coming, you know. The

1558
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:03.119
market, I mean, it's like
you have to systematically destruct every sentence that

1559
02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:07.800
these speaks people speak. There is
no market. That's the whole point.

1560
02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:11.680
This whole ev thing is the result
of suppressing the market, of perverting the

1561
02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:18.760
market, of imposing all of these
artificial, contrived incentives via things like the

1562
02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:26.119
mandates that require zero emissions vehicles,
the subsidies, the tax bribes that are

1563
02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:31.119
given to people to induce them to
buy these vehicles. If you took all

1564
02:09:31.159 --> 02:09:33.640
of these things away, there would
be no evs. Perhaps they're a handful

1565
02:09:33.680 --> 02:09:37.920
of them. Maybe is a boutique
product somewhere, but all of this is

1566
02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:43.960
one hundred percent artificial government, government
induced craziness. It's the bottom line,

1567
02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.159
and they keep trying to push it
harder and harder. And that's Isn't that

1568
02:09:46.359 --> 02:09:52.000
the stereotypical definition of insanity, except
it's also tyranny here too. Yeah,

1569
02:09:52.279 --> 02:09:54.800
yeah, you know, in a
way, it's almost like a witch doctor

1570
02:09:54.039 --> 02:10:01.520
convincing people in a particular tribe that
they must get or have in their hands

1571
02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:05.279
some totem that will protect them from
evil. You know, that sort of

1572
02:10:05.359 --> 02:10:09.880
thing, Like remember the Gilligan's Island
episode where Gilligan's head looked like the top

1573
02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:15.600
of the totem pole from some native
witch doctor tribe or something, and it

1574
02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:18.520
was, you know, he tried
to replace it with a coconut or something,

1575
02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:20.520
and then the coconut came down and
his head went in there. You

1576
02:10:20.600 --> 02:10:24.079
know, they thought he was a
god or something like that. It's the

1577
02:10:24.119 --> 02:10:28.119
same sort of thing. It's like
their god is whatever they decide to choose

1578
02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:37.840
through the machinations of the politically connected, government favored fascist, cronius mercantilist state

1579
02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:43.920
where they're going to work with certain
corporations, or they're gonna work with certain

1580
02:10:45.119 --> 02:10:50.079
NGOs, or their philosophy is to
constrict our freedoms and have more power over

1581
02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:52.399
themselves. And it's all a totem. It's like, you must have this

1582
02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:56.479
thing to shake off the evil of
the climate change boogeyman, you must buy

1583
02:10:56.640 --> 02:11:00.399
this thing. I don't want it. It doesn't help me. Yeah,

1584
02:11:00.439 --> 02:11:05.479
and it's all really cynical and really
disingenuous. You know, they have just

1585
02:11:05.560 --> 02:11:11.359
to make the case for this,
they very oily and slyly changed the definition

1586
02:11:11.760 --> 02:11:16.600
of emission, which in a regulatory
context used to mean things that caused pollution,

1587
02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:22.840
specifically air pollution. Those things have
been eliminated essentially from new vehicles,

1588
02:11:22.199 --> 02:11:26.159
and so that created a problem because
hey, we don't have a purpose anymore.

1589
02:11:26.199 --> 02:11:28.520
Why do we have these regulations since
the cars are now clean. So

1590
02:11:28.680 --> 02:11:33.560
what they did was to include carbon
dioxide, which is a gas that has

1591
02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:37.520
nothing to do with air pollution.
You know, you can talk about put

1592
02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:39.800
aside the climate change thing for just
a minute, and let's focus on the

1593
02:11:39.840 --> 02:11:46.039
fact that cotube there's absolutely nil,
zero, no role whatsoever in air pollution,

1594
02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:50.800
smog and things like that. So
why would they characterize that as an

1595
02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:54.520
emission. It's dishonest. You know, technically, of course it's emitted.

1596
02:11:54.960 --> 02:12:00.000
But what they're trying to do psychologically
is manipulate people into believing that carbon dioxe

1597
02:12:00.079 --> 02:12:03.960
site is essentially the same thing as
unburned hypercarbons, as particulars as the things

1598
02:12:05.039 --> 02:12:07.840
that cause smog, respiratory problems and
so on, because who wants that?

1599
02:12:09.039 --> 02:12:11.359
Right? Most people get it.
They look, you know, if socially,

1600
02:12:11.399 --> 02:12:13.880
people who are old enough to remember
what the cities used to look like

1601
02:12:13.000 --> 02:12:16.039
fifty years ago. You know,
they looked outside and yeah, the sky's

1602
02:12:16.039 --> 02:12:18.600
pretty dirty and smoggy. It's kind
of you. No, that's not good.

1603
02:12:18.680 --> 02:12:22.840
We don't want that. But now
they look outside, the sky's blue

1604
02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:24.960
and things are looking pretty good.
And so they had to create this new

1605
02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:28.239
boogeyman. You know, David calls
it a mcguffin. I like that term

1606
02:12:28.319 --> 02:12:33.720
too. It's just it's just a
contrived thing to gaslight people, to guilt

1607
02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.960
trip them, to make them think
that, well, if you question this

1608
02:12:35.079 --> 02:12:39.800
and somehow you're a terrible person,
because clearly what you want is babies choke

1609
02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:43.279
and old people to die in the
streets. Yeah, exactly, exactly,

1610
02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:46.640
you're the demon. You're gonna be
gaslighted. You're the one who wants to

1611
02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:50.279
be left alone, but in the
leaving alone thing, or you're the one

1612
02:12:50.279 --> 02:12:52.880
who wants to leave other people alone, but in doing that and not buying

1613
02:12:54.000 --> 02:12:58.520
into their canard that other people have
to be managed and pushed around and made

1614
02:12:58.600 --> 02:13:03.680
to do certain things, you're the
one who's actually engaging in an aggressive act.

1615
02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:07.199
It's absolutely crazy. I was when
you mentioned in the guvern shirt.

1616
02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:09.960
You probably saw me. Look up
here, I got my mcguffin shirt.

1617
02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:15.079
I have two McGuff and shirts and
yeah, as well as your your key

1618
02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:20.399
shirts. Yeah, absolutely awesome.
You can't go wrong. So folks check

1619
02:13:20.439 --> 02:13:26.800
out Eric petersautos dot com and and
it's very interesting too, Eric, because

1620
02:13:26.279 --> 02:13:31.039
I think in many of these cases, you know, they do convince these

1621
02:13:31.119 --> 02:13:33.319
people, like you talk about the
air pollution thing, they do convince these

1622
02:13:33.359 --> 02:13:39.119
people that they're much larger problems than
they actually are, whether it's because of

1623
02:13:39.239 --> 02:13:43.960
a pinnacle of danger or systemically geographically, because of course, the United States

1624
02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:48.439
government controls such a large geographical area, and it keeps adding to the things

1625
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:52.520
that it will control in that area, that of course everybody's got to look

1626
02:13:52.520 --> 02:13:54.680
to the central planners. Everybody's got
to try to game the system. If

1627
02:13:54.720 --> 02:14:01.640
they've just allowed the California people to
handle their smog first rather than having the

1628
02:14:01.760 --> 02:14:09.079
EPA get involved, then I think
the only constitutional side from their constitutional framework

1629
02:14:09.479 --> 02:14:13.800
for even any rationale for the EPA
to exist would be if there were state

1630
02:14:13.920 --> 02:14:18.640
on state conflict from pollution coming from
one state going to another state. But

1631
02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:24.199
that's not really what we saw.
We didn't see people in say New Mexico

1632
02:14:24.840 --> 02:14:30.920
or in Nevada complaining about smog in
the La Basin. We saw politicians in

1633
02:14:31.199 --> 02:14:33.760
La and other politicians saying, look, how terrible this is. We got

1634
02:14:33.840 --> 02:14:39.720
to do something about this. We
didn't see people in one state saying our

1635
02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:45.119
waters are being so polluted by this
other state that we need an entire national

1636
02:14:45.239 --> 02:14:48.960
framework to control waters. If there
was a conflict from say New Jersey and

1637
02:14:50.079 --> 02:14:54.279
New York with waters being polluted,
then if they couldn't resolve it themselves,

1638
02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:58.520
then based on what James Madison said, then there would have been some sort

1639
02:14:58.560 --> 02:15:01.800
of attempt by the com to resolve
it after the fact. Is a immediate

1640
02:15:01.880 --> 02:15:07.720
way to do it, not a
priory you know, well, I agree

1641
02:15:07.720 --> 02:15:09.840
with you. But let's go deeper
down the rabbit hole. You know,

1642
02:15:09.319 --> 02:15:16.840
the superficial explanation or justification that's trotted
out about emissions is actually another mcguffin.

1643
02:15:18.279 --> 02:15:20.800
What this really is, at the
end of the day is a half century

1644
02:15:20.920 --> 02:15:28.079
old war on cars, which is
a war on mobility, specifically on individual

1645
02:15:28.199 --> 02:15:33.199
autonomous being able to go where you
want to go on your own schedule without

1646
02:15:33.239 --> 02:15:39.159
being regimented and controlled. And they've
used the regulatory state and the excuse,

1647
02:15:39.279 --> 02:15:41.760
well, we've got to control emissions, we've got to make cars get better

1648
02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:46.000
gas mileage, we've got to make
cars safe. For all of this was

1649
02:15:46.359 --> 02:15:52.239
intentionally designed to throttle and winnow down
what cars could be produced, and they

1650
02:15:52.319 --> 02:15:56.520
had hoped that they were going to
essentially extinguish car ownership that way, but

1651
02:15:56.680 --> 02:16:01.720
they miscalculated being in competence, because
most bureaucrats are incompet These are power lusting

1652
02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:03.640
people. That's their expertise, that's
what they know how to do, right,

1653
02:16:03.760 --> 02:16:09.680
And the auto industry remarkably managed to
eliminate in any meaningful way in all

1654
02:16:09.760 --> 02:16:13.560
of the actually harmful stuff that was
coming out of the tailpipe. They made

1655
02:16:13.600 --> 02:16:18.279
cars immensely safe, they made them
incredibly efficient. So what now, Well,

1656
02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:22.279
now, in order to continue this
agenda, they have to frame them

1657
02:16:22.319 --> 02:16:24.840
as being a threat to the planet. And that's what the core issue is

1658
02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:30.359
behind this push to get electric vehicles
out there, because electric vehicles are just

1659
02:16:30.439 --> 02:16:35.079
another step. Electric vehicle is the
vehicle to get most people out of cars,

1660
02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:39.680
period. That's what it's ultimately all
about. Yeah. Yeah, And

1661
02:16:39.040 --> 02:16:45.360
the Biden administration was portrayed by the
pop media people just a few days ago

1662
02:16:45.440 --> 02:16:50.520
at the start of the week as
having drawn back from some of its climate

1663
02:16:50.680 --> 02:16:54.760
goals for Cafe Standards one. In
fact, all they did was allow possibly

1664
02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:58.879
for a few more hybrids that they
were going to get rid of. I

1665
02:16:58.879 --> 02:17:01.559
don't know if you want to comment
on that era. Actually it's very important

1666
02:17:01.559 --> 02:17:07.280
because it's of a piece with what
these authoritarians do. It's two steps forward,

1667
02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:09.079
one step back, but you're always
going forward, aren't you. You

1668
02:17:09.159 --> 02:17:13.159
know, that's kind of the true
meaning of their term progressive. That's really

1669
02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:18.639
what that means. You're constantly progressing
towards more control and less freedom. So,

1670
02:17:18.159 --> 02:17:22.799
you know, the pop media framed
this as some kind of a defeat

1671
02:17:24.200 --> 02:17:28.360
for these authoritarians. Oh, instead
of having two thirds of the cars be

1672
02:17:28.760 --> 02:17:33.680
entirely electric by twenty thirty two as
originally proposed. Now half of that two

1673
02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:39.520
thirds will be partially electric ie hybrids. But you see, the premise remains.

1674
02:17:39.719 --> 02:17:43.239
You know, if you have to
have partially electric vehicles one, then

1675
02:17:43.319 --> 02:17:46.639
naturally you have to have electric vehicles, right, you have to? You

1676
02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:50.280
have do you have to being the
operative words? I mean to be clear,

1677
02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:52.479
I've got nothing against hybrids per se, and i have nothing against electric

1678
02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:58.159
vehicles per se. If there's a
market for that, and if manufacturers want

1679
02:17:58.200 --> 02:18:01.879
to cater to that market, by
all means, I'm all for alternatives,

1680
02:18:01.959 --> 02:18:05.040
free alternatives. What I'm opposed to
is this ranting of stuff down all of

1681
02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:09.079
our throats, this one size fits
all ism, with the one size fits

1682
02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:13.719
all being determined by these these incredibly
arrogant, busy body people who think they've

1683
02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.399
been put on this earth to tell
us all how we are going to live

1684
02:18:16.440 --> 02:18:20.399
and what we're going to be allowed
to have well stated, and you know,

1685
02:18:20.799 --> 02:18:28.840
Eric, you make me think a
little bit about the the moves by

1686
02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:33.440
these politicians to do this sort of
thing, you know, with evs and

1687
02:18:33.760 --> 02:18:37.920
and all these other other types of
things, These assumptions that they make in

1688
02:18:37.040 --> 02:18:43.040
our lives. It's akin to I
mentioned earlier in the program Cultural Marxism on

1689
02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:48.520
this good Friday, and how in
one particular county that the uh, the

1690
02:18:48.280 --> 02:18:54.399
the politicians were putting Transgender Day ahead
of Easter, as I you know,

1691
02:18:54.520 --> 02:18:58.799
read from MRCTV And yeah, tr
she's one of the writers there, and

1692
02:18:58.920 --> 02:19:03.799
she makes a great point about that. But to me, you know,

1693
02:19:03.719 --> 02:19:09.520
that's another manifestation in the long march. You make me think about the progressivism,

1694
02:19:09.719 --> 02:19:13.879
you know, two steps forward,
one step back. That is,

1695
02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:18.680
you know, the Fabian socialist motif. It's the turtle very slow. Generationally,

1696
02:19:18.840 --> 02:19:22.680
they know they're going to get where
they want to go, slowly but

1697
02:19:22.840 --> 02:19:26.079
surely. And in a way,
what we're seeing here with the automobile industry

1698
02:19:26.239 --> 02:19:31.840
is is its own version of cultural
Marxism, where cultural Marxism constantly has to

1699
02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:39.200
come up with a new small protopon
person or group that can be promoted that

1700
02:19:39.360 --> 02:19:43.000
the government can help, splitting people
away saying yes, you now have another

1701
02:19:43.639 --> 02:19:48.520
you have an enemy in the regular
society. Government will help you. And

1702
02:19:48.639 --> 02:19:52.000
okay, now we've taken care of
this one and included new government plans for

1703
02:19:52.079 --> 02:19:54.520
this one. We've got a new
one, and they do the same thing

1704
02:19:54.600 --> 02:19:58.239
with the mcguffins of the climate,
with the mcguffins of this is an emergency

1705
02:19:58.319 --> 02:20:01.280
we've got to take or this.
So in a way, it's the same

1706
02:20:01.959 --> 02:20:09.120
MO just with products rather than people, rather than classes as they term them,

1707
02:20:09.280 --> 02:20:11.159
or different types of people that they
split off. They've come up with

1708
02:20:11.280 --> 02:20:16.799
a new thing that is, if
you're against it, you're bad in this

1709
02:20:16.280 --> 02:20:22.079
sort of fabian socialist two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward,

1710
02:20:22.120 --> 02:20:26.280
one step back, always finding something
new, whether it's cultural Marxism with

1711
02:20:26.440 --> 02:20:30.760
a new subgroup that needs to be
promoted and government's got to help them and

1712
02:20:30.920 --> 02:20:35.399
play favorites with them, or it's
a new particular industry that they want to

1713
02:20:35.799 --> 02:20:39.639
establish that they can control and they
have their friends in there and they're go,

1714
02:20:39.920 --> 02:20:43.520
you know, or an established industry
that they're going to manipulate. It

1715
02:20:43.639 --> 02:20:46.559
seems to me that it's the same
sort of mo do you see the same

1716
02:20:46.600 --> 02:20:50.399
way? I don't know different,
And there's a common thread running through all

1717
02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:54.440
of it, which is that the
presumptions and the premises are almost never questioned,

1718
02:20:54.600 --> 02:20:58.319
and that's a sure recipe for losing
the argument. You know, I

1719
02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:01.879
mean, if you that there's a
climate crisis, for example. If you

1720
02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:05.319
even use the terminology without questioning it, well, you've already lost in the

1721
02:21:05.399 --> 02:21:07.479
debate, haven't you. You know, you're just arguing about particulars. You

1722
02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:11.920
really have to question things. I
saw a great exchange the other day.

1723
02:21:11.920 --> 02:21:15.399
It was between Senator Kennedy and some
kid I don't remember who's an Olympic skier.

1724
02:21:15.479 --> 02:21:16.479
Did you see it? Yes,
they get to see that. I

1725
02:21:16.559 --> 02:21:20.840
think the Forbes Forbes newspeople do a
great job. I watched it on YouTube

1726
02:21:20.879 --> 02:21:24.239
over there, I think, yeah. And he methodically took this kid apart.

1727
02:21:24.319 --> 02:21:26.959
This kid who's a skier, he's
an athlete. That's his expertise.

1728
02:21:28.000 --> 02:21:31.000
He knows how to ski. He
looks like he's probably twenty two. Anyway.

1729
02:21:31.079 --> 02:21:33.680
The point is that's his expertise.
He's a skier. And they brought

1730
02:21:33.719 --> 02:21:39.680
this kid forth to testify about something
he knows absolutely nothing about, which is

1731
02:21:39.719 --> 02:21:43.520
the science behind climatology and so on, and Kennedy just picked it apart bit

1732
02:21:43.600 --> 02:21:46.680
by bit, you know. He
asked him essentially, well do you know

1733
02:21:46.719 --> 02:21:50.639
how much carbon dioxide there is in
the Earth's atmosphere? And the kid goes

1734
02:21:50.879 --> 02:21:56.879
a lot or a lot yeah,
yeah, fational basic knowledge, you know,

1735
02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:01.399
of that simple fact. How can
you talk about a subject like that

1736
02:22:01.520 --> 02:22:05.159
when you aren't even aware of how
much carbon dioxide there is in the Earth's

1737
02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:09.479
atmosphere right right, right, exactly. So I'm talking about car design when

1738
02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:13.079
you are an engine when you have
no idea what a carburetor does or even

1739
02:22:13.120 --> 02:22:16.440
what it is. Yeah, and
in a way it translates to talking about

1740
02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:22.520
someone else's preferences when you're not that
person. Yeah, it's astounding to me

1741
02:22:22.600 --> 02:22:26.600
there. And there's also just like
a lack of shame or or just embarrassment

1742
02:22:26.680 --> 02:22:28.559
there. You know, if it
had been me, I would say,

1743
02:22:28.600 --> 02:22:31.760
Okay, I really ought not to
be here, I'm sorry for wasting your

1744
02:22:31.799 --> 02:22:35.879
time, and have excused myself and
left the room. Yeah, you know.

1745
02:22:37.000 --> 02:22:41.600
I mean most people don't like feeling
like or looking like an idiot in

1746
02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:45.200
front of other people. But apparently
these people are so obtuse they don't even

1747
02:22:45.280 --> 02:22:50.280
realize how they look to other people
ob to So that's perfect, that's absolutely

1748
02:22:50.520 --> 02:22:54.000
perfect. That's so true. And
it's funny every once in a while here's

1749
02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:56.360
somebody use the terms like, oh
I haven't used that for well, that

1750
02:22:56.600 --> 02:23:01.399
is spot on yes, and I
think it's because they're they're that ideological.

1751
02:23:01.760 --> 02:23:05.280
You know. That's when when you
are in the grip of an ideology,

1752
02:23:05.319 --> 02:23:11.719
which is kind of like a rabbitized
form of religion. It's a secular version

1753
02:23:11.799 --> 02:23:15.639
of a religion in which you have
a dogma, and that dogma must be

1754
02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:20.280
must be projected and defended at all
costs. It's always outward. You can't

1755
02:23:20.319 --> 02:23:24.840
receive anything. Your mental processes now
are kind of jammed. You know.

1756
02:23:24.920 --> 02:23:28.879
All you can do is enunciate to
others what you have faith in and what

1757
02:23:30.040 --> 02:23:33.600
you believe in. And when you
are faced with somebody who says, well,

1758
02:23:33.639 --> 02:23:37.719
wait a minute, what about this, this fact this doesn't make sense

1759
02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:41.239
to me because X, Y,
and z. Instead of being met with

1760
02:23:41.319 --> 02:23:43.840
well, gosh, I never thought
of that before, you have a valid

1761
02:23:43.920 --> 02:23:50.520
point, it's met with this vociferous
moral outrage. You notice these people,

1762
02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:52.159
it's not just that they get angry, they get morally indignant, and they

1763
02:23:52.680 --> 02:23:58.879
basically try to characterize you as some
kind of a cretent or reprobate for daring

1764
02:23:58.159 --> 02:24:03.799
to question their ideology. Absolutely,
and you know, I think you know

1765
02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:07.600
a lesson that I might suggest hearing
this if I are in front of the

1766
02:24:07.680 --> 02:24:09.440
students, I would say, you
know, that is the nature of the

1767
02:24:09.559 --> 02:24:16.799
state. It it pro it,
it offers benefits to those who engage in

1768
02:24:16.920 --> 02:24:22.360
projection of a narrative. And because
it doesn't have to be tested in the

1769
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:26.479
market, and you always are assuming
that other people will pay for it,

1770
02:24:26.559 --> 02:24:33.120
whether it's sending weapons to Israel,
or it's sending weapons to Ukraine, or

1771
02:24:33.319 --> 02:24:39.840
it's doing this or that for a
particular economy or older people or whatever it

1772
02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:46.319
is. It is amazing to see
how oftentimes people I think who have their

1773
02:24:46.799 --> 02:24:48.760
maybe they think their hearts are in
the right places, they think they're doing

1774
02:24:48.920 --> 02:24:52.559
right, are very willing to demonize
people who just want to be left alone,

1775
02:24:52.680 --> 02:25:00.840
because it translates into that as you
say that obtuse holier than that approach,

1776
02:25:01.000 --> 02:25:03.200
and people don't even realize they're being
holier than now they think they're doing

1777
02:25:03.319 --> 02:25:09.200
the right thing. It's really it's
very twisted when when the political machinations get

1778
02:25:09.239 --> 02:25:13.280
in and people forget that the poll
is is force. Well, it's cultish

1779
02:25:13.319 --> 02:25:16.399
behavior. And you know it used
to be the cults for sort of backwater

1780
02:25:16.559 --> 02:25:20.120
aberrations, you know, like the
Mooney's and the hair Christmas and people you'd

1781
02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:24.920
see on the fringes of society.
But that mindset has become quite common.

1782
02:25:26.079 --> 02:25:30.040
Indeed, it might even be pervasively
common. You know, we still see

1783
02:25:30.040 --> 02:25:31.440
it to this day. I rant
a lot about the mask wearing. You

1784
02:25:31.520 --> 02:25:35.680
know that you still see that.
It's like in defiance of all objective reality

1785
02:25:35.760 --> 02:25:41.120
and all of the facts about it. You still see people who are so

1786
02:25:41.360 --> 02:25:46.440
weaponized by that cult that they can't
let it go even now, and they

1787
02:25:46.479 --> 02:25:48.479
may never let it go. And
I think absolutely, And that's you know,

1788
02:25:48.600 --> 02:25:52.280
that's that's one that's so manifest.
It's so obvious to people. They

1789
02:25:52.440 --> 02:25:56.200
just think of the size of a
viral particle. They just look at the

1790
02:25:56.280 --> 02:25:58.200
side of the box, or they
listen to some friends, but they still

1791
02:25:58.280 --> 02:26:01.399
buy into this, maybe out of
fear, you know a number of other

1792
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:05.959
things that might be involved. I
don't know, but it's the same sort

1793
02:26:05.959 --> 02:26:09.159
of thing with the climate canard.
You know, I was mentioning Al Gore

1794
02:26:09.479 --> 02:26:11.120
was on with Jake Tapper just the
other day, and they're going to be

1795
02:26:11.159 --> 02:26:16.399
pushing more because it's April coming up, and everybody knows Earth Day's coming exactly,

1796
02:26:16.600 --> 02:26:20.239
you know, And you know,
just like the guy who played the

1797
02:26:20.319 --> 02:26:24.680
Indian in those old commercials from the
government where he would look at the pollution

1798
02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:28.319
and the tier would be going down. His eye was actually like an Italian

1799
02:26:28.399 --> 02:26:31.680
guy or something like that. It's
all it's all fake. It's all an

1800
02:26:31.799 --> 02:26:35.920
artifice. You know. As much
as I admired the photography and the drama

1801
02:26:35.040 --> 02:26:39.120
of those things, it was it
was an artifice. Al gore. Again,

1802
02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:43.879
look at the religious manifestation of it. This guy has been blathering on

1803
02:26:43.040 --> 02:26:48.479
and on and on his predictions about
imminent doom, you know, eschatologically,

1804
02:26:48.559 --> 02:26:52.600
you know, like some kind of
Old Testament prophet for what the last thirty

1805
02:26:52.680 --> 02:26:58.319
years? Right, he's been wrong. Oh, I think we just launched

1806
02:26:58.360 --> 02:27:01.079
it for a second year. Slitch. You know what, I've been wrong

1807
02:27:01.120 --> 02:27:05.479
a lot of times. Maybe I
should rethink this. And yet worse,

1808
02:27:05.879 --> 02:27:13.399
people like you bring this guy out's
who's constantly in error, proven wrong objectively.

1809
02:27:13.479 --> 02:27:16.600
It's not an opinion, he's wrong, he's been wrong, and they

1810
02:27:16.680 --> 02:27:20.479
still listen to this guy. Yeah, exactly. And again you know,

1811
02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:24.319
some of the some of this comes
from, as Hayek would have said,

1812
02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:26.799
as you know, we were discussing
before the information problem, which is that

1813
02:27:28.200 --> 02:27:31.520
for maybe something like a mask,
it might be a little easier for people

1814
02:27:31.600 --> 02:27:35.360
to get that information. You can
look at the side of the box,

1815
02:27:35.719 --> 02:27:39.680
right, Oh, I see it
says not protected against COVID nineteen. You

1816
02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:43.879
can think it through, you know. But when you're constantly given a series

1817
02:27:43.159 --> 02:27:48.120
of these mcguffins and a series of
lies. In that conversation with Tapper,

1818
02:27:48.479 --> 02:27:52.879
Tapper listed off right at the start, four or five things utterly faults,

1819
02:27:54.200 --> 02:27:58.920
completely false about oh, we've had
more and more d more destructive storms than

1820
02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:03.200
ever fall. It's false, false, the hottest hottest year on record twenty

1821
02:28:03.280 --> 02:28:07.559
twenty three, again patently proven false, you know. And he says these

1822
02:28:07.639 --> 02:28:11.479
things, and then Gore of course, just uses that as a diving board

1823
02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:16.520
to jump in like a whale into
the sea. You know, he's jumping

1824
02:28:16.600 --> 02:28:18.799
in. He's like, well,
yeah, well, you know, if

1825
02:28:18.239 --> 02:28:24.920
we do that and we also stop
swearing on records from forty years ago,

1826
02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:28.520
the world will be perfect. And
I'm the guy, you know, it's

1827
02:28:28.639 --> 02:28:31.479
just utterly absurd. It's so ridiculous. But I think it goes to that

1828
02:28:31.600 --> 02:28:37.399
information problem. You know, the
information problem has something to do with the

1829
02:28:37.479 --> 02:28:39.200
twenty four to seven news cycle.
Now, you know, back in the

1830
02:28:39.319 --> 02:28:43.239
day when you had three networks.
And I'm not advocating for this, I'm

1831
02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:48.680
just pointing out something. You had
three networks and they broadcast during the daytime.

1832
02:28:48.719 --> 02:28:50.959
Remember when the TV would be off
in the morning when you get up,

1833
02:28:50.000 --> 02:28:52.799
if you got up early and at
five o'clock in the morning or whatever,

1834
02:28:52.799 --> 02:28:54.479
and you turn it on and it
would just be the you know,

1835
02:28:54.520 --> 02:28:56.920
the bars and then it would turn
on. Well, now they've got to

1836
02:28:56.959 --> 02:29:01.319
fill up all this airtime, don't
they, And it's all these networks,

1837
02:29:01.360 --> 02:29:05.520
and so catap if it bleeds,
it leads, and so they constantly are

1838
02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:09.399
trying to push the fear button,
the panic button, because that gets people

1839
02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:13.159
agitated, and agitated people are going
to watch, listen, and read,

1840
02:29:13.760 --> 02:29:18.319
you know, And and that dovetails
with the the you know, the wants

1841
02:29:18.360 --> 02:29:22.079
and desires of the government and the
corporations who want us to be terrified of

1842
02:29:22.159 --> 02:29:28.920
everything. Ask your doctor about namemba. Do you have restlessly? It's one

1843
02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:33.159
thing that the next it's it's some
awfulness is going on over here. You're

1844
02:29:33.200 --> 02:29:35.000
gonna die because you're gonna, you
know, if you don't take this drug.

1845
02:29:35.840 --> 02:29:39.680
And so they keep everybody in a
state of perpetual anxiety and panic,

1846
02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:41.559
and people, as hl Man can
put out, who are in a state

1847
02:29:41.600 --> 02:29:46.639
of panic, our desires to be
led to safety, right air fingers closed

1848
02:29:46.680 --> 02:29:50.319
safety And that's what this is all
about. Yes, perfectly stated, and

1849
02:29:50.399 --> 02:29:54.399
of course that you know, honestly
that goes I mentioned yesterday the fallacies inherent

1850
02:29:54.559 --> 02:29:58.399
in John Locke's so called natural rights
theory, which was a really social contract

1851
02:29:58.520 --> 02:30:03.319
theory, claiming that you sign a
contract to form a government for your protection.

1852
02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:09.159
It's inherent in the argument about today
where sign a contract? Yeah?

1853
02:30:09.600 --> 02:30:11.760
Where is that? I didn't see
that? And how much is my protection?

1854
02:30:11.959 --> 02:30:15.719
I might have a differing opinion from
the other person who's being forced to

1855
02:30:15.760 --> 02:30:18.280
pay for it. So it's unworkable
of course. And one of the things,

1856
02:30:18.399 --> 02:30:24.000
and I'd love to mention this from
your site today you published a piece

1857
02:30:24.079 --> 02:30:30.000
about disposability, and I think there
are a lot of ties that go into

1858
02:30:31.559 --> 02:30:37.000
the idea of things have to be
put aside, new developments have to come

1859
02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:39.239
around. Can you tell us about
this piece over at Eric Peters Auto's Eric

1860
02:30:39.959 --> 02:30:46.000
your new piece embracing disposability. Yeah, it's just about the gratuitous wastefulness that

1861
02:30:46.600 --> 02:30:50.719
has come to characterize a great deal
of our culture and our society, and

1862
02:30:52.079 --> 02:30:56.680
I focus on the replacing of the
physical key that people used to have that

1863
02:30:56.719 --> 02:31:01.639
would unlock the door to your car
and start the engine with these hyper elaborate

1864
02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:07.920
electronic key fobs that have perhaps given
you a slight convenience, but a tremendous

1865
02:31:07.000 --> 02:31:11.760
cost and waste. You know,
if you have a physical key and you

1866
02:31:11.920 --> 02:31:15.719
lose it, well you can get
another one cut for ten bucks at any

1867
02:31:15.799 --> 02:31:18.360
hardware store. Even today, you
lose the key fob, and in some

1868
02:31:18.479 --> 02:31:24.360
cases you're looking at several hundred dollars
to get a new electronic fob because it's

1869
02:31:24.399 --> 02:31:28.920
electronic and it's inherently more fragile.
And these things are all now no longer

1870
02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:31.799
discrete systems. And what I mean
by that is in the olden days when

1871
02:31:31.799 --> 02:31:39.159
you had a key that you put
into the door lock the lock, placing

1872
02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:43.840
or fixing that lock. Now it's
integrated with electronics that are connected to a

1873
02:31:43.920 --> 02:31:46.520
computer. So, for example,
when you push that start button on the

1874
02:31:46.600 --> 02:31:50.319
dashboard of your car that's not starting
the engine, it signals being sent to

1875
02:31:50.399 --> 02:31:54.639
the computer and then the computer says, okay, turn the starter motor,

1876
02:31:54.680 --> 02:31:56.319
and that's all fine. When it
works, but then when it doesn't.

1877
02:31:56.879 --> 02:32:01.719
Now you've got this expensive problem with
the electronic parts that buy and large are

1878
02:32:01.760 --> 02:32:05.079
not repaarable. You throw them away. And this is just characteristic, in

1879
02:32:05.159 --> 02:32:11.159
my opinion, this wastefulness. You're
not really getting anything meaningful, you know,

1880
02:32:11.280 --> 02:32:13.959
in exchange for all of this,
what you're doing is increasing the cost

1881
02:32:15.040 --> 02:32:18.879
of the vehicle. You're decreasing its
durability. I've got a fifty year old

1882
02:32:18.959 --> 02:32:22.559
car out in the garage. I
still have the original admission key for it.

1883
02:32:22.639 --> 02:32:26.159
It still works as well as it
did about fifty years ago, right

1884
02:32:26.600 --> 02:32:28.760
right. It's just I object to
this, and I think it's a it's

1885
02:32:28.920 --> 02:32:33.639
a corruption that has occurred, ironically
enough, as a result of our affluence,

1886
02:32:33.719 --> 02:32:37.399
you know, because we've taken things
for granted and we've got we have

1887
02:32:37.639 --> 02:32:41.200
to indulge ourselves in gimmicky things and
gadgets. Ooh, look at that.

1888
02:32:41.399 --> 02:32:45.799
Look it's got a touchscreen. Is
it blinks and it beeps and it does

1889
02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:50.040
this, and it does that.
Earlier generations, in particular, people who

1890
02:32:50.079 --> 02:32:52.959
lived through really hard times like the
Depression in this country, they learned a

1891
02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:58.559
really valuable lesson about not being dazzled
by gimmicky things and not wasting things.

1892
02:33:00.040 --> 02:33:03.719
Very frugal people that generation because they
learned the hard lesson. And I have

1893
02:33:03.760 --> 02:33:07.280
a feeling we're going to learn that
lesson again. And I know that you

1894
02:33:07.399 --> 02:33:11.520
and I spoke. We're speaking with
Eric Peters. Folks, it's Eric petersautos

1895
02:33:11.559 --> 02:33:16.079
dot com. You can follow him
on x as, at Libertarian car g,

1896
02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:22.159
at libertariancard g. Check out Eric
Peters autos dot com if you're a

1897
02:33:22.239 --> 02:33:26.319
gear head, if you're interested in
your individual liberty, the freedom of movement,

1898
02:33:26.680 --> 02:33:30.680
and also these observations about these trends. We mentioned this. We discussed

1899
02:33:30.719 --> 02:33:33.959
this once before, Eric, about
this this idea of the greater the complexity,

1900
02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:37.360
the less incentive there is for the
person who's using it to actually find

1901
02:33:37.399 --> 02:33:43.159
out how it works. And as
you say that, oftentimes complexity comes with

1902
02:33:43.719 --> 02:33:50.319
efficiency in productivity. Productivity gains being
great, being able to refine a system

1903
02:33:50.479 --> 02:33:54.639
down to something that with computers can
be done very easily, and so on

1904
02:33:54.680 --> 02:33:58.600
and so forth. But when there
is a screw up, you also people

1905
02:33:58.639 --> 02:34:03.520
should try to remember that they're now
working with a complex system that will be

1906
02:34:03.719 --> 02:34:07.120
very difficult for them or even just
a couple of their friends to be able

1907
02:34:07.159 --> 02:34:13.120
to handle, whereas with less complex
systems they're a lot easier to manage and

1908
02:34:13.239 --> 02:34:16.000
understand. The gears. Well,
a really interesting thing to me is that

1909
02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:20.520
we reached I believe, a kind
of apotheosis in the late nineties even mid

1910
02:34:20.639 --> 02:34:26.520
nineties in terms of electronic controls improving
the durability, the efficiency and the reliability

1911
02:34:26.559 --> 02:34:31.239
of vehicles. You had throat of
body and port fuel injection came along around

1912
02:34:31.280 --> 02:34:35.319
those times. You had electronically controlled
transmissions with overdrives, phenomenal, phenomenal things

1913
02:34:35.479 --> 02:34:39.559
that resulted in vehicles that will run
reliably for two hundred, two hundred and

1914
02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:43.399
fifty thousand miles with none the lucky. But instead of saying, you know,

1915
02:34:43.520 --> 02:34:46.159
now, we should focus on making
vehicles lighter, and we should focus

1916
02:34:46.239 --> 02:34:50.719
on making them even more efficient to
the extent that we can by various means,

1917
02:34:50.079 --> 02:34:52.280
instead of doing that, what they
did was, well, let's let's

1918
02:34:52.280 --> 02:34:56.079
add a touch screen, let's add
you know, let's figure out a way

1919
02:34:56.200 --> 02:35:01.680
to dazzle them with with some gimmick
or gadget that does meaningfully improve the vehicle.

1920
02:35:01.719 --> 02:35:05.200
And as far as I can tell, in any functional sense, it

1921
02:35:05.399 --> 02:35:09.760
just makes it more expensive, more
failure prone uh and more of a throwaway.

1922
02:35:09.079 --> 02:35:11.799
You know, people buy these new
cars with these big, gigantic touch

1923
02:35:11.840 --> 02:35:15.600
screens and them that control everything.
Now in a lot of cases, you

1924
02:35:15.639 --> 02:35:20.600
know, like that the woman forgot
for named Chow, the rich relation of

1925
02:35:20.639 --> 02:35:26.120
Mitch McConnell who backed her Elaine,
The entire the car is controlled by a

1926
02:35:26.200 --> 02:35:30.319
gigantic touch screen. This tesla.
So like if you want to put the

1927
02:35:30.360 --> 02:35:33.399
thing into reverse, you tap a
button reverse on the screen and then tap

1928
02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:37.799
drive. Well, if anybody uses
a cell phone nose, there's no tactile

1929
02:35:37.840 --> 02:35:41.399
feedback, and you often make a
mistake, right you meant to tap B

1930
02:35:41.799 --> 02:35:43.840
or instead you got T or something
like that. Well, that can have

1931
02:35:43.920 --> 02:35:50.719
bad consequences. When you're driving a
v Yeah, and I pulled it's drive,

1932
02:35:50.840 --> 02:35:54.559
You feel it engage, you know
the that the motion of it is

1933
02:35:54.639 --> 02:35:56.840
kind of intuitive, you know,
forward and back and back and forward and

1934
02:35:56.959 --> 02:36:00.639
all of that. Well, you
don't have that with that with these with

1935
02:36:00.760 --> 02:36:03.159
the touch type kinds of things,
and so you know, sometimes disasters happen.

1936
02:36:03.280 --> 02:36:07.680
But down the road what happens is
that eventually that thing is going to

1937
02:36:07.760 --> 02:36:09.120
go dark, it's going to fritz
out, and you've got all the controls

1938
02:36:09.159 --> 02:36:13.200
for everything, not just what gear
you're in, but the climate control,

1939
02:36:13.280 --> 02:36:16.799
the stereo is embedded in this touch
screen. How long does your smartphone last?

1940
02:36:16.000 --> 02:36:20.959
How many people are walking around with
a ten year old smartphone these days?

1941
02:36:20.559 --> 02:36:22.479
Not many? Is it? Fritz
is out, you throw it away,

1942
02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:26.479
you get another one. So what
happens when your ten year old car

1943
02:36:26.600 --> 02:36:31.159
smartphone Fritz is out on you after
ten years and you can't get replacement parts

1944
02:36:31.200 --> 02:36:33.159
for it anymore because nobody makes them, you know, you throw the car

1945
02:36:33.239 --> 02:36:37.959
away. Yeah, and perhaps you
know to introduce this too, you know,

1946
02:36:39.079 --> 02:36:43.479
there's there there are maybe two or
more levels of the concept of autonomy.

1947
02:36:43.680 --> 02:36:46.280
Eric, I probably you know,
not telling you anything new. Where

1948
02:36:46.479 --> 02:36:50.479
you got the autonomy of the individual? I go all the way back to

1949
02:36:50.719 --> 02:36:52.200
you know, driving a stick shift. You know, you could pop the

1950
02:36:52.239 --> 02:36:56.479
clutch on that thing if you couldn't
get it started, get somebody pushing you

1951
02:36:56.639 --> 02:36:58.280
down a hill, and you get
it going. You know, you get

1952
02:36:58.319 --> 02:37:01.760
the things wrong. And we did
it many times. It's got a nice

1953
02:37:01.760 --> 02:37:03.680
little hill out in front of the
house here. I was like, Okay,

1954
02:37:03.719 --> 02:37:11.200
we're gonna do it. But then
there's the autonomy of the individual when

1955
02:37:11.239 --> 02:37:16.639
it comes to these electronics and the
possibility of government or regulatory or corporate interference.

1956
02:37:16.760 --> 02:37:22.440
And that gets us to the whole
arguments that you've offered in great,

1957
02:37:22.600 --> 02:37:26.719
great succinct pieces about this idea of
the speed controllers on the federal level,

1958
02:37:26.760 --> 02:37:30.959
and Thomas Massey tried to stop that
when one of those going to come in

1959
02:37:31.079 --> 02:37:33.000
twenty twenty six, they're going to
impose those Oh, they're already here.

1960
02:37:33.159 --> 02:37:37.200
They haven't been formally imposed yet,
but they're already here. They've been here

1961
02:37:37.239 --> 02:37:39.639
for another of years. Most new
cars that have been made since I don't

1962
02:37:39.639 --> 02:37:46.200
know, roughably about five years ago
have what they call Advanced Driver Assistance Technology

1963
02:37:46.280 --> 02:37:50.959
ADAS. That's the acronym. I've
never met anybody who actually wanted this stuff

1964
02:37:50.200 --> 02:37:54.079
and checked off an options box and
said, yeah, I'd like to have

1965
02:37:54.799 --> 02:37:58.840
speed limit control, I'd like to
have lane keep assist, automated emergency braking,

1966
02:38:00.000 --> 02:38:03.399
and all of these technologies. And
you kind of wonder why why are

1967
02:38:03.479 --> 02:38:05.639
all the manufacturers, and I mean
all of them, why are they embedding

1968
02:38:05.719 --> 02:38:13.319
this technology into their vehicles. And
it's because they're anticipating the regulatory apparat making

1969
02:38:13.399 --> 02:38:16.799
it mandatory. So we just heard
recently, you know, This predates Biden,

1970
02:38:16.040 --> 02:38:20.159
by the way. But the thing
is, you know the Biden regime,

1971
02:38:22.120 --> 02:38:26.479
with the twenty twenty six model years, they're going to have this electronic

1972
02:38:26.600 --> 02:38:31.239
capacity to shut down a car remotely
or if you drive in a manner that

1973
02:38:31.360 --> 02:38:35.680
is outside of the acceptable parameters as
determined by whoever programs the vehicle, then

1974
02:38:35.719 --> 02:38:39.680
the car will disable itself and pull
off to the side of the road.

1975
02:38:39.719 --> 02:38:43.680
Well, this stuff is being incrementally
already put into vehicles. It's already in

1976
02:38:43.799 --> 02:38:48.040
most vehicles. Unbelievable. You know, you make me think of the streets

1977
02:38:48.079 --> 02:38:54.360
of India and perhaps I'd prefer the
chaos of those little three wheeled scooter things

1978
02:38:54.079 --> 02:38:58.159
that. Yeah, it's incredible.
I'm going to be going around in a

1979
02:38:58.239 --> 02:39:03.559
motorcycle. Remember many years ago,
I dreamt that I had a motorcycle and

1980
02:39:03.239 --> 02:39:07.040
it wasn't legal anymore, and I
was hiding it in my garage, and

1981
02:39:09.120 --> 02:39:11.159
you know, I was going around
in an old dirt bike, like you

1982
02:39:11.239 --> 02:39:16.040
know, a Kawasaki or something like
that. And hopefully we won't get to

1983
02:39:16.159 --> 02:39:18.680
those those days. They're going to
push for that. You know, if

1984
02:39:18.760 --> 02:39:24.159
this is not arrested, it is
to me logically inevitable if you accept the

1985
02:39:24.239 --> 02:39:28.399
premise, getting back to what I
was talking about earlier, that cars,

1986
02:39:28.479 --> 02:39:33.280
in order for them to be safe
have got to have the advanced assistance technology.

1987
02:39:33.840 --> 02:39:35.799
Well, then how is it that
we can allow vehicles that aren't safe,

1988
02:39:37.559 --> 02:39:41.479
that don't have that technology on public
roads? You know. And they've

1989
02:39:41.479 --> 02:39:43.200
tried this in the past. They've
tried to outlaw older vehicles by saying,

1990
02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:46.239
well, they don't have airbags,
they don't have even seatbelts. If you

1991
02:39:46.319 --> 02:39:50.319
go back to vehicles that were made
before about nineteen sixty five, I think

1992
02:39:50.680 --> 02:39:52.600
they didn't have factory seatbelts. Well, we can't have those on the road.

1993
02:39:52.639 --> 02:39:56.479
They're not safe. Well, the
old car hobby fought back and squelched

1994
02:39:56.520 --> 02:39:58.840
that, But now we're going to
do it again, you know, and

1995
02:39:58.159 --> 02:40:01.399
because a lot of people already saying, you know what, I don't want

1996
02:40:01.440 --> 02:40:03.440
any part of this. I don't
want a big brother, creepy connected car

1997
02:40:03.920 --> 02:40:07.680
that's narking me out to my insurance
company, and that is going to you

1998
02:40:07.760 --> 02:40:11.000
know, cut the throttle or apply
the brakes when it thinks that I'm not

1999
02:40:11.159 --> 02:40:16.079
driving in a manner that's acceptable.
So I'm going to cling to my older

2000
02:40:16.200 --> 02:40:18.680
vehicle. Well, how's the government
going to deal with that? You think

2001
02:40:18.680 --> 02:40:22.879
they're going to let people cling to
their older vehicles that aren't big brothery and

2002
02:40:22.959 --> 02:40:26.639
connected. Probably not. Eric.
I'm curious about your thoughts on this,

2003
02:40:26.760 --> 02:40:31.639
because at the time I thought this
was part of the agenda. You know,

2004
02:40:31.840 --> 02:40:37.879
the the government mandates can serve multiple
agendas, of course, and some

2005
02:40:37.040 --> 02:40:41.520
of those don't get revealed for quite
a while. But when they did the

2006
02:40:41.600 --> 02:40:46.360
cash for Clunker's thing under Obama,
I was telling my girlfriend at the time,

2007
02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:48.719
I said, you know, this
is clearly they want to knock out

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some of those older cars that don't
have the driver's assist, the satellite connections,

2009
02:40:52.200 --> 02:40:56.879
the boxes in them that you can
just fix up. There's you know

2010
02:40:56.040 --> 02:41:01.399
it was. It was I think
as bad or worse than the idea of

2011
02:41:01.799 --> 02:41:09.079
paying farmers to kill their pigs during
the depression. You know, did you

2012
02:41:09.280 --> 02:41:11.280
did you see it the same way? Do you think that I was part

2013
02:41:11.319 --> 02:41:15.840
of their agenda? It wasn't seeing
it was, And you know, it's

2014
02:41:15.920 --> 02:41:18.280
actually even worse than the business with
the killing of the pigs that FDR did

2015
02:41:18.360 --> 02:41:24.680
back during the New Deal era,
because notice that the psychological tactics they framed

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02:41:24.920 --> 02:41:30.559
these perfectly operable cars that just happened
to be older cars as clunkers. You

2017
02:41:30.600 --> 02:41:33.760
don't want to be driving a clunker, do you, right, So that

2018
02:41:33.879 --> 02:41:37.760
was the first step, you know, implying that the cars are not fit

2019
02:41:37.879 --> 02:41:41.360
to be driven, that they're somehow
unsafe, that that that's a problem and

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02:41:41.440 --> 02:41:45.319
we have to fix the problem.
Well, what they wanted to do was

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02:41:45.920 --> 02:41:52.360
specifically to get rid of affordable used
cars, and particularly because that would drive

2022
02:41:52.680 --> 02:41:56.239
the young first time buyer out of
the market for cars. And they understand

2023
02:41:56.319 --> 02:42:01.520
that, you know that that this
the car just depends on young people coming

2024
02:42:01.600 --> 02:42:05.120
up getting their driver's license, getting
into cars, not not just you know,

2025
02:42:05.200 --> 02:42:07.000
literally getting into but liking them.
Hey, this is my first car.

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02:42:07.040 --> 02:42:09.959
Remember how excited we were when we
got our first car, got our

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02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:15.440
driver's license. Kids start tinkering with
them. It's great. They can't afford

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02:42:15.479 --> 02:42:16.559
them. And one of the reasons
they can't afford them is because they've been

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02:42:16.639 --> 02:42:20.879
destroyed, most of them. You
know, you can't pick up a decent

2030
02:42:20.920 --> 02:42:22.760
car anymore for five hundred bucks like
you and I did back in the day.

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02:42:24.879 --> 02:42:26.360
That's what this clunkers thing was all
about. And then they use this

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02:42:26.520 --> 02:42:31.760
awful language they talked about stimulating you
know, they love that word, stimulating

2033
02:42:31.879 --> 02:42:35.479
demand for new cars. That was
the you know, that was the surface

2034
02:42:35.600 --> 02:42:39.319
reason given. So yeah, okay, we're going to just just gratuitously destroy

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02:42:39.399 --> 02:42:43.040
things. I mean, it was
upsetting to me to watch. You may

2036
02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:45.520
have seen some of those videos at
the time. They would take here's this

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02:42:45.639 --> 02:42:50.280
car with it runs just fine,
and they would pour silica, you know,

2038
02:42:50.399 --> 02:42:52.360
into the engine of this running car
to lock the engine up, to

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02:42:52.479 --> 02:42:56.200
destroy the engine. It wasn't enough
that, you know that they took the

2040
02:42:56.239 --> 02:42:58.440
car to a junk yard. They
had to actually destroy every bit of it

2041
02:42:58.760 --> 02:43:01.799
so nobody could come into the junk
card and who needed an engine, let's

2042
02:43:01.799 --> 02:43:05.799
say, or spare parts to fix
their other car. They had to gratuitously

2043
02:43:05.920 --> 02:43:11.120
destroy these vehicles. It was it's
amazing. It's amazing the destruction of it.

2044
02:43:11.200 --> 02:43:18.159
I mean, it's such a visual
and physical manifestation of the government destroying

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02:43:18.280 --> 02:43:20.559
our options and our choices in our
lives in so many ways. And that

2046
02:43:20.760 --> 02:43:26.319
is a perfect that epitomizes it.
And it's just it's it's it's amazing that

2047
02:43:26.440 --> 02:43:30.559
people could sign up to that and
they would go along with it across all

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02:43:30.799 --> 02:43:35.000
of the United States that they would
do this, and the governor's got involvedangle

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02:43:35.079 --> 02:43:39.040
money in front of people. Yeah, that's how the government corrupts people by

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02:43:39.200 --> 02:43:41.120
by offering them a bride. Hey, we'll pay you. What was it.

2051
02:43:41.159 --> 02:43:43.639
I think they paid what forty five
hundred bucks or five thousand bucks.

2052
02:43:43.840 --> 02:43:48.879
Will give you five thousand dollars,
you know, to throw away this vehicle.

2053
02:43:48.280 --> 02:43:50.360
Okay, sign me up five grand. Yeah, I'll take it,

2054
02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:54.360
you know. Yeah, that's how
it works. Yeah, and uh,

2055
02:43:54.719 --> 02:44:01.120
you know, obviously with firearms buybacks, it's a little bit easier to construct

2056
02:44:01.200 --> 02:44:03.879
a gun than it is an automobile. And uh, and to keep it

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02:44:05.000 --> 02:44:07.920
hidden. And so with these automobiles
now, if people want to do something,

2058
02:44:07.959 --> 02:44:11.399
they'll have to get them from Mexico
or some other place where they might

2059
02:44:11.440 --> 02:44:15.559
have been constructed, that might have
been older. And you know, an

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02:44:15.760 --> 02:44:20.719
entire generation of cars now just destroyed. It's insane, Eric, it's not

2061
02:44:20.840 --> 02:44:28.600
insane if your goal is window down
transportation, you know, and that's important.

2062
02:44:28.680 --> 02:44:31.680
You know, it's important to understand
the why, because otherwise it's inexplicable.

2063
02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:35.040
You shake your head and go the
why would they do this? It's

2064
02:44:35.079 --> 02:44:39.479
perverse. Well, it's not perverse
when you understand the maliciousness of the motives.

2065
02:44:41.440 --> 02:44:46.559
But that's absolutely right, absolutely right, And you know people might think

2066
02:44:46.639 --> 02:44:50.000
that, oh, Eric's being too
too harsh, or Gardener's being too harsh,

2067
02:44:50.079 --> 02:44:54.079
or David if he speaks about this, if he is critical of these

2068
02:44:54.159 --> 02:44:58.719
policies. Now, this is malicious, as you say, it is malicious,

2069
02:44:58.959 --> 02:45:03.559
and it's couched in you know,
it's as I mentioned for an MRCTV

2070
02:45:03.719 --> 02:45:07.120
video, it's the iron fist wrapped
in a velvet glove, is what it

2071
02:45:07.280 --> 02:45:09.520
is. You know, they put
all these trappings of words and phraseology around

2072
02:45:09.600 --> 02:45:13.959
it, but really what it is
is it's fascism and it's and it's for

2073
02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:18.719
a particularly even worse goal to have
even more control over us. And go

2074
02:45:18.879 --> 02:45:22.639
to Erica. Read their own documents, read their own statements. You know,

2075
02:45:22.680 --> 02:45:28.760
they've come out of the closet now
and they're very plain and forthright about

2076
02:45:28.799 --> 02:45:33.719
how they want to limit, if
not eliminate, personal car ownership and driving

2077
02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:39.879
by you know, twenty forty or
whatever their end goal is. It's insane.

2078
02:45:39.159 --> 02:45:46.079
It's well, at least they'll have
government run vehicles like EV police cars

2079
02:45:46.159 --> 02:45:48.879
and EV ambulances to chase after the
bad guys, you know, except we

2080
02:45:48.959 --> 02:45:52.520
won't. That's the that's the other
aspect of this. Just like John Carey

2081
02:45:52.680 --> 02:45:58.239
is not going to be flying coach
commercially anytime soon, you're not going to

2082
02:45:58.319 --> 02:46:03.840
see the leadership cadre of the American
Soviet Union going around in ev So you're

2083
02:46:03.840 --> 02:46:09.120
going to see them being ferried around
in their six thousand pounds armored plate glass

2084
02:46:09.239 --> 02:46:13.200
windowed V eight SUVs. Just like
Stalin was back in the poll, the

2085
02:46:13.280 --> 02:46:18.760
pull Up Bureau members had the best
cars and everybody else had the U gos.

2086
02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:22.879
Yep, yes, so true.
It's absolutely true. Eric, I

2087
02:46:22.360 --> 02:46:26.840
wanted to show the audience of the
David Knight Show. Here. I'm Gardner

2088
02:46:26.879 --> 02:46:30.840
Goldsmith filling in for David Knight.
Our guest is Eric Peters of Eric Peters

2089
02:46:30.959 --> 02:46:35.159
autos dot com. Eric petersautos dot
com. Check them out, see the

2090
02:46:35.200 --> 02:46:41.360
great articles on politics, on the
nexus unfortunate nexus between politics and your choices

2091
02:46:41.399 --> 02:46:45.680
in the market, your ability to
travel, and look in his store.

2092
02:46:45.760 --> 02:46:50.000
It's a very cool store. You'll
see his great and very witty products there.

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02:46:50.680 --> 02:46:54.159
Eric, if I could get your
comments on this piece from Day Elections

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02:46:54.399 --> 02:46:58.200
Matter, tell people about that one. If you would kind sir, well,

2095
02:46:58.280 --> 02:47:01.399
let's preface it, because you know, this is something you and I

2096
02:47:01.319 --> 02:47:07.559
often talk about, and it's the
dilemma that libertarians, principled people face about

2097
02:47:07.600 --> 02:47:11.600
participating in elections. It's such a
nasty business to be involved in this thing,

2098
02:47:11.000 --> 02:47:16.799
and to be pigeonholed into this choice
in air fingers quotes between evil and

2099
02:47:16.920 --> 02:47:22.280
somewhat less evil, you know,
and there's an argument which it resonates with

2100
02:47:22.399 --> 02:47:26.600
me. I get it that by
voting, you're helping to legitimize the system,

2101
02:47:26.680 --> 02:47:28.479
and that's certainly true. But I
do think there's an element of dress

2102
02:47:28.600 --> 02:47:33.639
involved in elections, and in that
case, you're entitled to act defensively,

2103
02:47:33.239 --> 02:47:39.479
and so voting to counteract your neighbor
who's voting to take away your liberty.

2104
02:47:39.559 --> 02:47:43.280
I don't see that as a morally
bad thing, and I don't think that

2105
02:47:43.399 --> 02:47:48.280
by doing that you're somehow endorsing whatever
evil this politician is going to do.

2106
02:47:48.399 --> 02:47:50.799
Now, the piece focus is on
what's been happening in Virginia, which is

2107
02:47:50.840 --> 02:47:54.879
where I live, and Glenn Youngking
being elected over there. Yes, the

2108
02:47:54.959 --> 02:48:03.360
Republican Glen Youngkin was elected rather than
Terry mcauliff, the Clinton apparatchick really important,

2109
02:48:03.399 --> 02:48:05.719
and it shows that elections do matter, because there were thirty something bills

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02:48:07.280 --> 02:48:09.799
that were put forward by the General
Assembly, which is controlled completely by the

2111
02:48:09.879 --> 02:48:15.520
Democrats, that is, the leftists, that would have all but completely criminalized

2112
02:48:15.680 --> 02:48:20.079
most gun ownership, most gun buying
in the state of Virginia. Northam vetoed

2113
02:48:20.159 --> 02:48:24.040
thirty of those bills. So if
so facto, it seems to me elections

2114
02:48:24.079 --> 02:48:28.799
do matter. That's not a small
thing. It's an important thing. And

2115
02:48:28.920 --> 02:48:31.959
it doesn't mean that at the same
time, you can't hope for something better.

2116
02:48:33.040 --> 02:48:35.799
You know, I understand that Glenn
Youngkin is not Thomas Jefferson, but

2117
02:48:35.840 --> 02:48:39.399
he's also not Joseph Stalin. You
know, I'd like to I'd like to

2118
02:48:39.479 --> 02:48:43.959
have somebody who's at least somewhat closer
to Thomas Jefferson than Joseph Stalin. And

2119
02:48:43.040 --> 02:48:46.079
I think that that scales, and
that's essentially what the piece is all about.

2120
02:48:48.040 --> 02:48:52.840
Yeah, you mentioned here subjecting anyone's
rights to a vote every so often

2121
02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:56.840
is like having them live at the
foot of a leaky dam, leaving them

2122
02:48:56.920 --> 02:49:03.079
in perpetual dread that tomorrow will be
the day the dam bursts and washes away

2123
02:49:03.159 --> 02:49:07.120
their life along with everything they've spent
their life, their life working for No

2124
02:49:07.200 --> 02:49:11.360
one should ever be put in this
position. More finally, no one should

2125
02:49:11.399 --> 02:49:15.799
ever be in the position of having
the legal power to vote to have the

2126
02:49:15.879 --> 02:49:20.479
state take away anything from anyone,
nor control him a priori in any way,

2127
02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:26.680
meaning leave him be unless he's actually
done something that resulted in a tangible

2128
02:49:26.760 --> 02:49:31.120
harm to another person. And then
you go into a little more explanation there,

2129
02:49:31.159 --> 02:49:35.040
because I think it's important. It's
good that you provide that in context

2130
02:49:35.520 --> 02:49:41.159
as you explain what you're seeing practically
on the ground there. Yeah, yeah,

2131
02:49:41.200 --> 02:49:43.719
I mean voting as such in the
context that we live in a Really,

2132
02:49:43.000 --> 02:49:45.879
when you think about it, it's
a macab kind of a thing,

2133
02:49:46.840 --> 02:49:52.319
and it's something that enables people who
on their own probably would be ashamed,

2134
02:49:52.479 --> 02:49:56.920
if not afraid, to go over
to their next door neighbor, let's say,

2135
02:49:56.600 --> 02:50:01.600
fingering a pistol and saying give me
money, or you know, you're

2136
02:50:01.639 --> 02:50:05.639
going to take that bush out of
your front yard because I don't like it.

2137
02:50:05.319 --> 02:50:09.840
Most people wouldn't do that, because
most people aren't psychopaths, you know,

2138
02:50:09.680 --> 02:50:16.639
But somehow it is it enables psychopathy
writ large, to go to vote

2139
02:50:16.680 --> 02:50:20.200
for somebody who's going to do this
awful, dirty business for you you know

2140
02:50:20.360 --> 02:50:22.799
that you're going to somehow benefit from. And then on the alternative side,

2141
02:50:22.840 --> 02:50:26.600
there's people who hate all of this
stuff and who vote defensively, who go

2142
02:50:26.719 --> 02:50:30.559
there in the hopes that well,
maybe at least I can minimize the damage.

2143
02:50:30.559 --> 02:50:31.840
And I don't think there's anything wrong
with that. You know, you're

2144
02:50:31.879 --> 02:50:35.760
trying to minimize the damage that's being
done to you. And again, you're

2145
02:50:35.879 --> 02:50:41.040
under duress. It's not like you
don't you have the choice really realistically to

2146
02:50:41.360 --> 02:50:43.600
opt out and say, well,
no, I'm not going to participate in

2147
02:50:43.680 --> 02:50:46.600
this, that's fine, but you
can it's going to be done to you

2148
02:50:46.079 --> 02:50:52.040
regardless. That's the bottom line.
Yeah, it's and it's such a difficult

2149
02:50:52.799 --> 02:50:56.280
thing to consider when entering into that
sphere to say, Okay, I think

2150
02:50:56.319 --> 02:51:01.760
I'm going to make that decision,
or if one does this hypothetically, because

2151
02:51:03.399 --> 02:51:05.600
you never know what the politician is
going to encounter in the future, so

2152
02:51:05.760 --> 02:51:11.000
can you reliably you know, you're
really taking a leap of faith in a

2153
02:51:11.079 --> 02:51:16.440
way for this person's integrity and that
he or she will act on what he

2154
02:51:16.600 --> 02:51:18.840
promised, uh to say, I'm
going to try to reduce the burden of

2155
02:51:18.920 --> 02:51:22.879
the state. You look at people
like Thomas Massey, Ron Paul or you

2156
02:51:22.959 --> 02:51:26.440
know my friend Glenn down Glenn Jacobs
down in Tennessee in Knox County, and

2157
02:51:26.639 --> 02:51:30.479
you say, okay, you know
a lot of people in the Free State

2158
02:51:30.559 --> 02:51:35.799
project. You know, there are
differing opinions between the pure voluntarist anarchists and

2159
02:51:35.879 --> 02:51:39.319
the people who say, no,
we're going to try to participate in the

2160
02:51:39.360 --> 02:51:41.440
state of New Hampshire. And they've
done some good things. They've been able

2161
02:51:41.559 --> 02:51:46.079
to open up the ability for people
to use medical marijuana and then to get

2162
02:51:46.120 --> 02:51:52.840
marijuana decriminalized. They've opened up things
about the Respect the Guard Act and things

2163
02:51:52.920 --> 02:52:00.360
like that. So it is interesting, and everybody's subjective viewpoints are obviously going

2164
02:52:00.440 --> 02:52:03.639
to be played upon, and they
might permutate, and they have different opinions

2165
02:52:03.719 --> 02:52:09.399
from everybody, but that core nugget
of it of the state is that great

2166
02:52:09.520 --> 02:52:13.159
entity of force and coercion can't be
avoided. And I think it's very interesting

2167
02:52:13.200 --> 02:52:18.000
when you look at that young and
Young and mccaulliff battle, because the people

2168
02:52:18.040 --> 02:52:22.719
in Virginia are the ones that I
know are so pleased that young that they

2169
02:52:24.120 --> 02:52:26.559
they don't have Jerry mccaulliff. That's
what I'll say. Yeah, I think

2170
02:52:26.600 --> 02:52:30.239
a good way to look at this, you know, to kind of deal

2171
02:52:30.360 --> 02:52:33.559
with the creepy feeling that a lot
of us have about participating, you know,

2172
02:52:33.600 --> 02:52:37.200
about voting. Imagine that you're a
slave. You're a slave, okay,

2173
02:52:37.280 --> 02:52:41.440
your property you're owned. You're on
a slave plantation, and the master

2174
02:52:41.639 --> 02:52:46.479
says, well, you can work
in the house or you can work in

2175
02:52:46.559 --> 02:52:50.360
the field. Okay, So as
a slave, I think it'd be better

2176
02:52:50.440 --> 02:52:52.600
to work in the house if I'm
going to have to be a sleep.

2177
02:52:52.680 --> 02:52:56.200
But does it mean that you can't
in your own head be thinking about,

2178
02:52:56.280 --> 02:53:00.440
okay, when when I have the
opportunity, I'm going to it at this

2179
02:53:00.600 --> 02:53:05.200
place, I'm going to take off. So is there an incongruity there?

2180
02:53:05.319 --> 02:53:07.840
You know, in the moment,
you're under duress and you have this option

2181
02:53:07.000 --> 02:53:13.719
to better yourself within that system somewhat. It doesn't mean you're precluding the possibility

2182
02:53:13.799 --> 02:53:16.280
of escaping, and it doesn't mean
that you sanction your own slavery. It

2183
02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:20.000
means you're doing what you have to
do to survive in a situation in which

2184
02:53:20.040 --> 02:53:24.639
you've been put under duress. Well, I hope people will check out the

2185
02:53:24.719 --> 02:53:28.600
piece, Eric, because you put
a lot of thought into this, and

2186
02:53:28.159 --> 02:53:31.920
you know, you take it from
the ground in Virginia. You look at

2187
02:53:31.920 --> 02:53:37.040
the ramifications of what would have happened
if Terry mccaulliffe, who just amazingly unscrupulous

2188
02:53:37.200 --> 02:53:41.920
person, if he were to have
gotten in there. And the people in

2189
02:53:41.079 --> 02:53:48.000
Virginia have suffered so much under their
prior governor that hopefully some things are going

2190
02:53:48.040 --> 02:53:50.600
to change. I know a lot
of people live in Virginia, obviously is

2191
02:53:50.719 --> 02:53:56.959
probably you do, and it's really
stunning to see that so many important factors

2192
02:53:58.000 --> 02:54:01.239
of their lives are influenced by the
state. And challenge people. I say,

2193
02:54:01.639 --> 02:54:03.760
when you're driving along, look out
the window of the car sometime and

2194
02:54:03.879 --> 02:54:07.799
just see if you can see anything
that's not touched by the hands of the

2195
02:54:07.879 --> 02:54:11.600
political system. And you know it's
it's not good, that's for sure.

2196
02:54:11.920 --> 02:54:16.479
Hey, why don't we talk also, just real quick about if people want

2197
02:54:16.520 --> 02:54:22.280
to head over to Eric Peters autos
dot com about your rumble channel and the

2198
02:54:22.399 --> 02:54:26.520
videos that you put up there.
Yeah, sure, I think it's under

2199
02:54:26.559 --> 02:54:28.799
EPRs. I'm embarrassed to say that
I don't really know what my own title

2200
02:54:28.920 --> 02:54:33.120
is over at Rumble. But I
went over to Rumble because I had been

2201
02:54:33.200 --> 02:54:37.920
on YouTube for a number of years. But then I got deep monetized and

2202
02:54:37.040 --> 02:54:43.040
deep platformed because I've posted wrong,
thinkful things has happened to so many people.

2203
02:54:43.399 --> 02:54:45.479
So I made the shift over to
Rumble, and and I just do

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02:54:45.600 --> 02:54:50.040
these little monologues. I've got this
cheesy, really cheesy little camera thing that

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02:54:50.120 --> 02:54:52.200
I use, and I take it
with me when I go for a drive,

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02:54:52.280 --> 02:54:54.159
whether it's in my truck, my
transam, or one of the new

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02:54:54.200 --> 02:54:56.879
cars that I test drive. And
I just like to ramble and monologue about

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02:54:56.920 --> 02:55:01.559
things that I think maybe might be
a for people and might get a conversation

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02:55:01.760 --> 02:55:05.319
going. So there's a lot of
that stuff up on the Rumble channel if

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02:55:05.360 --> 02:55:07.559
you'd like to take take a look
at it. And also over at your

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02:55:07.639 --> 02:55:13.159
website. Want to show the store
where I've got the black and white BAH

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02:55:13.799 --> 02:55:18.239
cap and I wear that often when
I'm driving, and I'm very happy about

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02:55:18.280 --> 02:55:22.680
that. You can see the safety
T shirt and the key T shirt.

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02:55:22.719 --> 02:55:26.879
So I think we're gonna have to
make a Haiti T shirt now, Yes,

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well, they're gonna They're making their
plans about Haiti, aren't they.

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Absolutely one. Absolutely, And it's
interesting because unredacted, probably maybe six or

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02:55:37.360 --> 02:55:39.879
five months ago, they were like, yeah, watch Haiti, they're gonna

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02:55:39.920 --> 02:55:43.959
do something in Haiti, and sure
enough they did, and they're gonna do

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02:55:45.040 --> 02:55:48.319
more unfortunately. Eric, So great
to have you here. I really appreciate

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02:55:48.360 --> 02:55:52.159
you being here. I want to
before you go, I neglected to go

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02:55:52.239 --> 02:55:54.639
into Rockfin and Rumble Chad to just
check out and see if anybody had any

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02:55:54.719 --> 02:55:58.440
questions for Jacob and I'd love to
do that with you. Absolutely, so

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02:55:58.639 --> 02:56:03.319
over Rumble and Rock Finchat first,
I want to thank uh. Let's see,

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02:56:03.360 --> 02:56:07.399
we had someone who contributed, Michelle
Obaman said dig the cardinal look,

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02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:13.280
but let's not go pope, okay, because I've got the red Absolutely absolutely

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02:56:13.319 --> 02:56:16.360
it's my Star Trek red shirt.
Look, I guess. Thank you very

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02:56:16.479 --> 02:56:20.479
much. Thank you. That's really
nice. And of course anybody wants to

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02:56:20.520 --> 02:56:26.319
contribute. Everything goes towards David Show
today and drop your comments and questions inside

2229
02:56:26.399 --> 02:56:31.040
chat if you want to. And
then we've got and I didn't even get

2230
02:56:31.079 --> 02:56:35.120
to talk to you about the Epstein
Bridge where now you know that's from Tony

2231
02:56:35.200 --> 02:56:41.120
Rdiburn mentioned Epstein Jeffrey Epstein dying the
lack of information. Yeah, suddenly the

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02:56:41.159 --> 02:56:43.760
black box isn't functioning with the black
box is supposed to function. I don't

2233
02:56:43.760 --> 02:56:46.719
know what it means. I have
a thought on that, actually, Yeah,

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02:56:46.719 --> 02:56:50.200
not think it's worth anything, because
I really know next to nothing about

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02:56:50.280 --> 02:56:54.040
maritime stuff. But I wonder.
The thought that immediately occurred to me is

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02:56:54.079 --> 02:56:56.920
whether these big ships are kind of
like cars are now, meaning that they're

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02:56:58.000 --> 02:57:03.000
not directly mechanically controlled anyone, so
that when the power shut off, the

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02:57:03.079 --> 02:57:05.639
guy who was in the pilot house
or whatever they call it, who's trying

2239
02:57:05.680 --> 02:57:07.799
to steer the ship, you know, he would put inputs into his toggle

2240
02:57:07.920 --> 02:57:13.000
or whatever, but that wouldn't be
translated into the appropriate motion to the rudder

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02:57:13.239 --> 02:57:16.440
because it's not mechanical anymore. It's
drive by wire. So that might explain

2242
02:57:16.520 --> 02:57:20.920
it, but I don't know.
Oh, that's very interesting. That is

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02:57:20.159 --> 02:57:24.479
very that's key. Oh wow,
And you know, Eric, it's fascinating

2244
02:57:24.559 --> 02:57:28.319
to me to see this sort of
thing because again, you know, it

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02:57:28.479 --> 02:57:33.719
reveals incredible lessons. You know,
it's difficult because the first blush, people

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02:57:33.760 --> 02:57:37.760
lost their lives, people were killed, and people tried to really act to

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02:57:37.840 --> 02:57:43.159
stop this. But then there are
the ramifications of the supply chain and all

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02:57:43.239 --> 02:57:46.040
that things and all that, But
there are lessons we can get out of

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02:57:46.120 --> 02:57:50.680
this, and I'm curious to I'd
be interested to find out. I'm sure

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02:57:50.559 --> 02:57:56.479
it will take someone with much more
greater investigatory powers to be able to investigate

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02:57:56.520 --> 02:58:00.200
the way those ships work than I
have, but maybe things, you know,

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02:58:00.280 --> 02:58:01.920
maybe some people will be interested in
this. I was amazed when David

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02:58:03.000 --> 02:58:07.000
had the other the other day.
David was able to he had found that

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02:58:07.120 --> 02:58:11.239
YouTube channel where a man actually devotes
most of his channel to maritime interests and

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02:58:11.360 --> 02:58:15.280
navigation, and he had the satellite
stuff up there and he was right on

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02:58:15.399 --> 02:58:18.399
it. I didn't see it in
the network news people doing that, that

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02:58:18.840 --> 02:58:22.840
guy's particular interest the particular area.
Yeah, it's nice. Nice. A

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02:58:22.879 --> 02:58:26.440
water point too here which I think
everybody's noticed, which is it's like everything's

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02:58:26.479 --> 02:58:30.200
falling apart. Airplanes are falling apart, brand new airplanes. The door falls

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02:58:30.239 --> 02:58:33.079
off the thing while it's up in
the air, the ship crashes into the

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02:58:33.120 --> 02:58:37.440
bridge. Nothing works, you know. It's like Anne RAN's novel Atla Shrug

2262
02:58:37.639 --> 02:58:41.879
is literally coming true right before very
eyes. Everything is falling apart because confidence

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02:58:41.920 --> 02:58:46.680
no longer matters. You're right,
absolutely right, and the more we get

2264
02:58:46.719 --> 02:58:50.760
a fascist system and it'll be more
politics that matters more and more. Well,

2265
02:58:50.920 --> 02:58:52.600
Eric, thanks so much. It's
a pleasure. It's, you know,

2266
02:58:52.799 --> 02:58:56.799
my last couple of minutes here filling
in for David, and I'm glad

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02:58:56.840 --> 02:59:00.440
I get to spend it with you
in the audience, and particularly for you.

2268
02:59:00.600 --> 02:59:03.000
I want to thank you for all
your great, great work, and

2269
02:59:03.959 --> 02:59:07.120
I really appreciate Eric. I'd love
to get you back on Liberty Conspiracy as

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02:59:07.159 --> 02:59:09.000
soon as possible. We got to
do the mind meld again, so yes,

2271
02:59:09.399 --> 02:59:11.879
yes, so do the mine meld, the Vulcan mind meld. And

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02:59:13.000 --> 02:59:16.319
we'll watch more car Chase stuff.
That was so much fun watching the seven

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02:59:16.440 --> 02:59:18.440
ups car Chase. That was great. And I've got some other ones for

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02:59:18.520 --> 02:59:22.280
you, obscure ones you may not
be aware of. I'm not going to

2275
02:59:22.319 --> 02:59:24.680
talk about it now. I'll send
it to you privately and we can talk

2276
02:59:24.680 --> 02:59:26.399
about it on the next show.
All right, all right, that sounds

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02:59:26.479 --> 02:59:30.680
great, Eric, Thank you,
you do Yeoman's work. If I had

2278
02:59:30.760 --> 02:59:33.399
my bo cap on, I would
tell I would take off my cap to

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02:59:33.440 --> 02:59:35.239
you right now. Thanks card,
All right, Eric, Eric Peters,

2280
02:59:35.360 --> 02:59:41.719
Eric Peters autos dot com. Everybody
remember the website. He is a phenomenal

2281
02:59:41.799 --> 02:59:45.440
guy. Thank you all. As
we head towards the last couple of minutes

2282
02:59:45.479 --> 02:59:50.120
here in the David Knight Show,
thank you all. Inside the Rockfinn Chat

2283
02:59:50.280 --> 02:59:52.239
didn't get to really chat too much
with you today, but Chuck Finley,

2284
02:59:52.280 --> 02:59:56.879
thank you for being there. Michelle
Obaman, thank you again for your contribution.

2285
02:59:56.040 --> 03:00:00.639
Stephen Casper, thank you. Thank
you. Says people better wake the

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03:00:01.040 --> 03:00:03.520
h up or we will lose our
freedoms, what's left of them. I

2287
03:00:03.559 --> 03:00:07.719
would add that Stephen one hundred percent. Great power to you. Brian de

2288
03:00:07.879 --> 03:00:13.120
McCartney, have a blessed resurrection Sunday. Couldn't have said it better. Awesome,

2289
03:00:13.239 --> 03:00:18.760
awesome, awesome. Really appreciate that. And then we've got this over

2290
03:00:18.879 --> 03:00:22.000
here. Oh, I want to
get this comment in here from Solocat nineteen

2291
03:00:22.040 --> 03:00:28.719
eighty Did the immigrant workers filling the
potholes on the bridge not understand the warning

2292
03:00:28.079 --> 03:00:33.600
to get off the bridge because they
didn't care to learn English? Well?

2293
03:00:33.840 --> 03:00:39.360
I understand the sarcasm there. I'll
leave it at that. Over on Rumble,

2294
03:00:41.639 --> 03:00:45.799
Junior Barner, I think I'm reading
it right. God bless everyone.

2295
03:00:46.000 --> 03:00:50.520
Enjoy the weekend with your family and
friends. Absolutely, m Seller says he

2296
03:00:50.680 --> 03:00:54.920
has risen. Indeed, isn't that
great? What a beautiful day. Like

2297
03:00:54.000 --> 03:00:58.120
I said, I heard the birds
this morning. I know David's going to

2298
03:00:58.159 --> 03:01:01.520
be enjoying the day with his family. I hope you enjoy it. Love

2299
03:01:01.600 --> 03:01:03.719
to you all, Thank you so
much again. If you want to join

2300
03:01:03.799 --> 03:01:07.319
me tonight Liberty Conspiracy, I've got
to switch studios tonight, but it should

2301
03:01:07.319 --> 03:01:09.360
be going on at six o'clock tonight. If anything happens, I'll try to

2302
03:01:09.360 --> 03:01:13.319
get the word out. I have
to go to another town take care of

2303
03:01:13.399 --> 03:01:16.000
my brother's cats this evening, so
there's a bunch of stuff that I have

2304
03:01:16.079 --> 03:01:20.559
to do before that. So hopefully
I'll be able to have enough time to

2305
03:01:20.639 --> 03:01:22.760
prepare, bring the tech with me, and get it all set up in

2306
03:01:22.879 --> 03:01:28.760
my Russian studio somewhere in the deep
woods of Siberia, Ah to provide the

2307
03:01:28.159 --> 03:01:33.319
Russian propaganda. So in the meantime, thanks for listening to this awesome,

2308
03:01:33.600 --> 03:01:37.840
incredible Russian propaganda here in the David
Night Show, and thanks to David,

2309
03:01:37.959 --> 03:01:41.079
to Travis, to everyone in the
audience. What a splendid, splendid day,

2310
03:01:41.680 --> 03:01:46.639
Happy Easter, early Thank you so
much Resurrection Day indeed, and of

2311
03:01:46.719 --> 03:01:52.280
course I leave you and say farewell
by bringing this in. Thanks for watching,

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03:01:52.319 --> 03:01:56.399
everybody, remember go do Thedavidnightshow dot
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2313
03:01:56.479 --> 03:02:15.440
care the common man. They created
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2314
03:02:15.799 --> 03:02:20.840
They created common Past to track and
control us, their Commons project to make

2315
03:02:20.879 --> 03:02:26.879
sure the commoners own nothing and the
communist future. They see the common man

2316
03:02:26.959 --> 03:02:33.440
as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But
each of us has worth and dignity created

2317
03:02:33.760 --> 03:02:39.239
in the image of God. That
is what we have in common. That

2318
03:02:39.600 --> 03:02:43.600
is what they want to take away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation,

2319
03:02:45.239 --> 03:02:50.879
deception, intimidation. They desire to
know everything about us, while they hide

2320
03:02:50.959 --> 03:02:56.600
everything from us. It's time to
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2321
03:02:56.680 --> 03:03:01.200
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