WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:06.799 Wal check, check and check. This is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with 2 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:10.320 Corey Winfield. You knows as soon as he gives it to her, he's 3 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:14.720 gonna give her his heart to her too, and we have kids and getting 4 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:24.920 married. That's too far. It is the twenty six of May twenty twenty 5 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:29.160 three. My name is Corey Winfield and welcome, so the two seventeen Recovery 6 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:33.280 Podcast. Special guests. I guess you're not special guests anymore, but I 7 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:38.479 have Mitch and I have Adam. You guys are joining Adam Stevens. Can 8 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:44.799 we still be special? M Yeah, but you're just not No, no, 9 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:47.079 no, you're just getting that. I don't even think you're guests anymore. 10 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.799 We're not guests, but we can be special, right, Well, 11 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:55.560 I put guests on your websites, so we're gonna talk about today. M 12 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.840 did you guys to upload stuff to it every day? Just kidding? You're 13 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.439 like, how you don't even give us access to it? How we supposed 14 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.840 to do that? That's exactly for my head to build a bridge to China 15 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:10.879 as well. We'll get right on that too. What else what do you 16 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:12.319 want us to do? I did you see the guest thing, and I 17 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.319 was like, all right, well, I guess I'll get you. Guys 18 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.280 have been on the podcast before, so I figured I'll throw guests on there. 19 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.200 Don't make us a permanent part of it. I guess. Well, 20 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.879 we go to two seventeen recovery dot com slash Mitchell. It'll pull up Mitchell's 21 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:32.640 page and you can read his story. You can drop him an email, 22 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:40.680 and Adams is when didn't you know it to seventeen recovery dot com slash Adam? 23 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.599 No, Adam, have you sent the page off to like family members 24 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:47.359 and stuff like here's my page? I have not, and I also have 25 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:52.000 to finish my bio that I just remembered, Yeah, because yours needs to 26 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.560 be replaced. Well, I thought it was pretty good. Story's great, 27 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.400 it's awesome. He's my hero. I pick up poop when he leaves the 28 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:07.840 yard. I'm gonna shout out to me, like gonna shout out to that 29 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:12.439 training I did with nim Sass to help me with mine, Like it really 30 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:22.199 gave me a good messaging strength skills pizzles for learning, you know, And 31 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.240 I used that to build my bio And I was like, hey, this 32 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:30.319 is real. Let me let me ask you a question about that, because 33 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.120 the messaging training is what you're referring to, and when you first take that, 34 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.319 you're like, oh, yeah, at least I was. It was 35 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.639 like, yeah, we should think about it different. And what we call 36 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.080 things, you know, what we what we call things is what we give 37 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.199 power to kind of you know, like if I wasn't dropped the F bomb, 38 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.719 you know, it's like, did I give power to that bomb? 39 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.560 How did I say it? Was I talking about my FFing cat? Or 40 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.759 do I want to talk about my f and paycheck? You know, like 41 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.120 which one is it? I know that it makes no sense whatsoever. And 42 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:04.520 I'm really bad at analogies, but that's cool because you know what I'm talking 43 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.560 about because you did the messaging training. Like if you talk about somebody being 44 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:13.240 in recovery versus oh he's a junkie. Yeah, I mean, that's probably 45 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:19.719 way better example. But I did notice while we were going into it, 46 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.400 I was like, you, you guys have a pretty good culture around here 47 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.680 of saying I mean, we joke around a lot because we like to have 48 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:36.240 fun, but you know, when we're serious, we used pretty caring terms. 49 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.360 I was saying, gentle terms. You know when we're talking, but 50 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.599 anyway the proper way to say it. So going into it, I was 51 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:46.560 like, yeah, I think I've got a pretty good handle on this. 52 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.000 And there was some stuff where I was like, yeah, we'd we already 53 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.039 do that, and then there was other stuff that, you know, I 54 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.400 was like, oh, that really makes sense. And then after that we 55 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.120 went down to U FAM and I remember helping somebody with the tent and the 56 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.960 lady made a comment because it took like six of us to put up her 57 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.560 tent. She's like, how many drunks does it take to put up? 58 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:11.560 I was like, hey, hey, easy, lady, I don't like 59 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.960 jokes. Yeah, but before that it was I probably want to be even 60 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.319 thought about it, so now you will. And it's funny because this one 61 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:23.040 lady emailed me from it's some college and what they're trying to do it. 62 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.600 I think it's a great idea. They're offering. It's like online college, 63 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.680 and they're offering these online classes for people and obviously what they do, but 64 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:36.079 they're also offering like online help and they put in there with substance abuse, 65 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:41.439 and it's that's how they build their program, you know. And so I 66 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.720 told her this will, it'd be great, and I would love to link 67 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.079 to that to our website, which I will once you change your wording on 68 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.839 everything. I mean that the whole page. It was like landmines, like 69 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.639 stop calling it that, Like, I don't want to send anybody there because 70 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.519 they're going to get the wrong messaging. And I told her how I went 71 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.000 on this rant. I was like, messaging is very important, and especially 72 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.079 it was someone who's just getting into it, and they think that they're the 73 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.319 bad person now because they're at school and they're going to college and they're stressed, 74 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.240 and what do they do when their stress? Will they drink or use 75 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:11.000 drugs? And well, now they're the bad guy. They're the bad person 76 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.720 for just doing what they would normally do to relieve their stress. But now 77 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.519 it's the problem and it's their problem. They're the bad person. So nope, 78 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.439 I'm not linking that to our website. So change it. And I 79 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:25.240 didn't hear from her for like six months, and then she finally wrote me 80 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:28.000 back and she's like, hey, I was just wondering if you look that 81 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.079 over her anymore, And oh, I thought they changed it, So I 82 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.600 went to their website. Nope, so this is how lazy I am. 83 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.279 So instead of like ranting at her again, I just went back and the 84 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.160 other email that I sent her and then just resent it to her. That 85 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.040 was my reply. I was the resentend her. What if she got it 86 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.279 though she was over like, oh that's just resent and they didn't even think 87 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:56.959 about it. I wanted her to know that I resent it because I'm not. 88 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.519 I mean what, they have nothing else to say that the email let 89 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:01.759 us sent her for said everything, So I was just thinking, like, 90 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.800 did she put did she connect that in her head? Doesn't sound like that 91 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:12.360 maybe she would have. So, like, Adam, do you ever out 92 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.759 in the public and you hear people talk about like, oh, yeah, 93 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:19.040 well the substance abuse is really bad. Or do you hear commercials on the 94 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:24.720 radio and talk about it. If you're handling substance abuse problems, call loss 95 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.360 and we'll help you out. Yeah, oh yeah, I hear it a 96 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.480 lot. And that's kind of what I was thinking too, Like you know, 97 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.480 um, you know, i'd like I would be taking trainings like that 98 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.439 too and everything. But a lot of it you do kind of pick up 99 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:41.439 just being around people in recovery too, you know, like a lot of 100 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.360 it I've picked up just from like, oh yeah, like I just hear 101 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.160 it, and so, yeah, I think it is a lot different because 102 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:53.040 it is like you go to AA meetings and stuff, you get a lot 103 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.319 of little timers. I mean, that's just how they refer to us as 104 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.120 drunk, you know. And it's and I think you know, they do 105 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:04.480 it in a friends or like a warm way, really in a in a 106 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.319 way in their mind, you know, that's they just call each other drunks, 107 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.800 you know, and everything and good intentions. But that's the thing is 108 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.319 not everybody considers themselves a drunk either, you know what I mean, just 109 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.560 because you're at AA, so I think you know. So yeah, I 110 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:21.600 think it is really important, especially with like what we do and everything. 111 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:29.120 You know, there's all different kinds of routes, and yeah, it's not 112 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.240 just one way. So I think that's the big part of it is not 113 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:40.160 steering people in the wrong direction and how you feel about it, trying to 114 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:44.839 tell people that there's only one way out, because that's that's not the case. 115 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:49.800 That's gonna take somebody down the wrong path. Yeah, Like what Adam 116 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.639 does is he doesn't talk for a really long time, but then when he 117 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:58.920 does he says something very profound. I'm like, hey, that's the first 118 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:03.000 time I've done it here. Actually, that's that. That That was my 119 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.120 That was my thing in rehab. I didn't talk a whole lot, but 120 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.680 when I did, I was it's because I felt like I had something to 121 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.439 say. You know, it meant something. This time. You guys were 122 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.399 just looking at me. So I had to say something. I had to 123 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.639 respond betting on the hot seat there. Well, I feel bad because we've 124 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:26.120 talked before, and you're pretty humble with your speech when there's a whole bunch 125 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.560 of people talking at once, and I have to remind myself, Adam's here, 126 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.919 he has an opinion. I appreciate it, so we So I want 127 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.559 to talk about the video we made. But then I was like, oh 128 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.759 no, no, we didn't talk about this because this is actually recovery related. 129 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.000 But I just can't remember what that is. So I'm to the video 130 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:48.840 next. Yeah, we're having a grand opening here at the two seventeen Recovery 131 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:56.279 Center that's on June eighth. And we made a little video we recorded let 132 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:03.039 me think, let's rephrase that. We recorded a little video today and I 133 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.480 don't know, there's worst things you could be doing, right, I mean 134 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:11.159 true, but looking back at it, and when out and I talked to 135 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.519 Mitchell and the lobby, I sat with him and I was like, dude, 136 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.840 I don't know if that's gonna even fly. Like, I just don't 137 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.720 think Martie's gonna like it. I don't, I don't know. I just 138 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.320 think I think a lot of people be hating on it. And even though 139 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.759 we are joking in the video about some stuff, but like, I just 140 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.279 think that there's a lot of haters out there. Man. I like it. 141 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.320 The idea of it, and this is you're coming from this place to 142 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:41.519 begin with. Is it's one of our goals here is to have fun and 143 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.200 recovery. And you know I usually charged so much more for my acting skills. 144 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.840 Yeah, I got you on the cheek. Yeah. So Holiday Friday, 145 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:56.279 I'm gonna be really I'm gonna be real sad if you don't use that 146 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:03.679 footage personally. I'm going to I just just questioning if it's appropriate material. 147 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.159 Well, strippers are people too, right? Right? Yeah? I think 148 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:16.120 I don't think it's necessarily offensive. I just think maybe it makes us look 149 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:22.279 like dumb guys, but we're we are kind of coming. I mean, 150 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.799 right, you know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean that was 151 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:26.799 that was kind of the point. We're not trying to set the bar too 152 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.000 high, you know, we're definitely not. I don't think it was offensive 153 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:35.960 anyway. Okay, we're only bagging on mail strippers. Usually they don't get 154 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.320 the brunt of the stigma that guys are giving all these spoilers away. Look 155 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.879 for the video, it'll brown. Watch the blooper reel, you'll appreciate it 156 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.720 more, and then wait for the subsequent ones because we'll probably get better. 157 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.240 Say go yeah, well, I don't know, like just a whole it's 158 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.120 fun video of like what am I supposed to do? Like film you guys 159 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:03.200 going, Hey, come see us at our grand opening with a jingle? 160 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:09.639 Yeah you needed two seventeen jingle like, I mean, that's not the one. 161 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.519 Tyrone had one for us at one point. It was like her guitars, 162 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:20.000 but it was a takeoff of Sanford and Son I think or something like 163 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.360 that. It was pretty hilarious, and Tyrone's right at home going I don't 164 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.679 remember that, but you did, Tyrone. I'll have to see if I 165 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.240 can find it. Thank you for what you do. Tyrone, we love 166 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.720 you. And he came by the other day and he likes to do outreach, 167 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.039 you know, and he was kind of disappointed. He wanted to spend 168 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.519 more time out there doing that this week. And he drove like an hour 169 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.639 in and I think it was out there for like twenty minutes and they were 170 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.440 like, we're done. I know, and I got here. I think 171 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:56.200 he made a joke about Tyrone and Adam going from Alpina to Lansing today and 172 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.240 I was like, wait, they're doing what I believe And it wasn't what 173 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.759 happened. I don't know what it was. I thought you were talking about 174 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.320 their route that they were taking with the van or something. No. I 175 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.879 think I was saying that Justice was going from Elpinato Lancing. Sorry, well, 176 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.120 miss communicate. It was a coato. It was funny because at first 177 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.080 I was like, they're gonna do what today. That's that's a big day. 178 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.039 And then they came back like thirty minutes later. That would be a 179 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.840 really long shirt for Tyrone. He sleeps a lot, like in the car, 180 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:31.919 like man, you get him in there and he's worse than Marnie, 181 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.120 Like, not even a mile down the road, he'll just be talking to 182 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.039 you about cheeseburgers. Then you and you're like, whoa dude, And which 183 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.919 was literally really funny because when he was talking to the other day about his 184 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.360 job that he had at GM back in the day, and he said, 185 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.639 he's like Winfield, I'd be out all night, be out all night, 186 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.519 man, doing drugs and you know, I smoke crack whatever, and then 187 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.600 I would have to go to work. And they told me that if I 188 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.120 missed anymore work, I'd be fired. So I would just show up and 189 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.840 I would go in the bathroom room and I would sleep and living with I've 190 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.480 lived with Tyrone, I've driven Tyrone. I know how loud this man's snores. 191 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.039 And I started laughing my ass off because I could just picture Tyrone trying 192 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:16.279 to hide up in the bathroom. I'm just snoring like a madman, and 193 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.399 like, who are you trying to like hide from, dude, Like, 194 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.879 of course you got fired because he said they caught him sleeping in the bathroom 195 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.039 and they said, no, that's that's not what we're trying to do here, 196 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:24.960 man. We want you to come to work and work, not come 197 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.440 here and sleep in the bathroom. And I could just imagine him though, 198 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:33.200 just sitting on the pot and then walking in and just hearing somebody in the 199 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.639 bathroom just just logging it up, you knows on logs. I thought, 200 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:46.440 that's pretty funny. I've had one job. It was a midnight job back 201 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:54.039 when I was still in the addiction and I hadn't been diagnosed with my sleeping 202 00:13:54.519 --> 00:14:01.360 stuff yet, my sleeping disability sleep at me yet, and being a single 203 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.000 dad and work like trying to sleep one of my kids at school, and 204 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.360 you know, having a houseful of people that don't care that you work nights, 205 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.600 and you know, that was that was great. Actually made my addiction 206 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.720 a lot worse because I couldn't sleep because of sleep. At the end, 207 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.840 I couldn't sleep because nobody gave a crap that I had to sleep during the 208 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.960 day. And so then that was a problem. And then I'd worked nights 209 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:24.679 and I got away with the most of it. I got caught a couple 210 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:31.480 of times, but I got fired from that job for other reasons. There's 211 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.080 a laundry list they could have fired you for. Yeah, snapping on the 212 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.000 job with one of them had a pretty good system. I remember looking back, 213 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.600 I was like, I got away with more than I should have there 214 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.960 mostly naps and looking back to some of that stuff and you're like, how 215 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.320 did I do it? Yeah? How was that not fired a long time 216 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.279 ago? Like that's crazy, But now we have pretty cool job. So 217 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:58.519 then, like working in the recovery field is something that I find rewarding. 218 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.879 And I don't know, it's just he's just giving back man and Adam, 219 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.360 Like I just kind of figured. I remember one time Adam told me that 220 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.519 he was like, yeah, I think I gotta work in the I gotta 221 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:13.120 work in the field somehow. I gotta do something in the industry, like 222 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.759 to to be in it, you know, to be in it, in 223 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.120 it, you know, and when you work in it, do you guys 224 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.559 get burnt out? Not me, man, Like, I'm still at the 225 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.799 point where, you know, when I have a chance to mention it, 226 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.279 like that's what I say, is I you know, I'm grateful because I 227 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.240 mean, I don't I don't know what, Like I like you were saying, 228 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.159 that's how I feel it felt about it is living in is going to 229 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.519 make it so much easier to do it, you know. And the most 230 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:45.360 important thing to me had to be me staying sober and everything and I don't 231 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.080 know, to me what better way, Like, you know, I don't 232 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.960 want to live at rehab, but at the same time, I love the 233 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.240 feeling you have while you're there and everything. And you know, I always 234 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.200 thought of like working there in a place, in that environment and every thing. 235 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.039 It would just make it easier to every day be reminded what you're working 236 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.039 on, you know, because that's the thing you jumped a few times. 237 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.679 I've jumped back into my old life just pretty much the same way, you 238 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:12.279 know, thinking I just got to get back to where it got it, 239 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:18.240 back to the routine and everything, and that routine does kick back in and 240 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:25.000 that leads to the routine of drinking and everything. And yeah, I kind 241 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:26.120 of lost where I was going with that, but I think that's a decent 242 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.159 ending place. I kind of mentioned that That's what I was talking about earlier 243 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:36.440 when I was talking about when I quit vaping, and it was like I 244 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:41.360 was trying I would beat how do I say this? So I went through 245 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:47.039 this with drinking too, and I would have been sober for a really long 246 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:55.919 time and then I would have to do something that caused me to like for 247 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.840 example, my job at the vape store That was the first what i'll call 248 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.759 real job that I had since coming out of addiction and getting in getting into 249 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:11.599 recovery. And one of the things I had to talk with my therapist at 250 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:17.000 the beginning of that was, I haven't had a job like this since I 251 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:22.920 was drinking, And how am I gonna go to work, leave work and 252 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.200 then just come home and not stop at a liquor store, Like that's just 253 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.519 what I did every day. That was part of my routine, and it 254 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.480 felt like going into it, it was just gonna happen again, like that 255 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.759 just had to be a part of it. She's like, well, you 256 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.400 haven't done it yet, so you know, and she talked me through it. 257 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.079 So it ended up not being as big of a thing. But then 258 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:48.119 that feeling came back trying to quit nicotine, and I would do something like 259 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.880 get in the car, I'd want to hit my vape, and I'd want 260 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.440 to go to bed, I'd want to hit my vape one last time. 261 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.000 Wake up in the morning, I'd want to hit my vape. It's like 262 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.519 I had to conquer each one of those things over and over again for a 263 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.359 few days until they started to go away. So that's a thing what are 264 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:11.839 your thoughts on nicotine harm reduction? Nicotine harm reduction. Yeah, it's harm 265 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:17.920 reduction. It's because here's the thing about the harm reduction that I just love 266 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.720 is, first of all the things that I was told about, it was 267 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:29.279 they want to pass out needles because it's too expensive to cure hepatitis. Like 268 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.119 they don't care about people, They just want to stop paying for them. 269 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.799 That's the vibe I got. And they're talking to I got, so I 270 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.839 was like, okay, cool. And then like there's some stuff online that 271 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.160 you can go read and it'll tell you like this is how you're supposed to 272 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:41.480 feel, and this is what you're supposed to do. But we're all individuals. 273 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.759 We all think and feel our own ways. But when it comes to 274 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.920 somebody who wants to get off of cigarettes, and if you go from cigarettes 275 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.279 to vape, oh hell to the no. Not in Michigan. No, 276 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.920 no, no, you are a piece of shit. And actually that is 277 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:03.759 harm reduction. Now. Is vaping good for me? No? Neither's eating 278 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.559 all that ice cream? You know, Like I make bad, bad choices 279 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.200 every single day. But going from cigarettes to vaping, I will tell you 280 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.920 I don't smell, I don't cough like a long up every morning. I 281 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.119 don't like just just that that happened when I smoked. That doesn't happen now 282 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.960 now again, is it good for me? No? But is it a 283 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.799 harm reduction absolute fricking lutely yes. But if you talk to like harm reduction 284 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:27.960 companies, and there's one in Michigan, harm Reduction Michigan, you talk to 285 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.279 them about it, and then my uh dealings with this Derek guy about it. 286 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:38.240 He was like, nope, vyping stupid, Nope, And well they 287 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.880 do all the other harm reduction, but they won't do this, you know. 288 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.480 And I know the governor was getting money from, you know, a 289 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.440 tobacco company guy, and so she was anti vaping. Go whitmer lover a 290 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.960 sarcasm there if you couldn't pick that up. But um, but it just 291 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:57.359 it just kind of like surprises me. But it doesn't because at the end 292 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:03.880 of the day, it's all about money and if we really want to hurt 293 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.319 the government again, not that I want you to hurt the government, but 294 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.640 if you really ever just like, I've had enough of this politics crap, 295 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:17.160 quit smoking, quick gambling, quit drinking. There you go for a month, 296 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:22.119 everybody do that well, it wants yep, and you'll find out how 297 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.559 much the government wants you to smoke, and how much they want you to 298 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.160 gamble, and how much they want you to drink. I had to kind 299 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:34.839 of get over some feelings of being a hypocrite because somebody was talking to me 300 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.960 about how they really liked the taste of beer so over once in a while 301 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.839 they'll go out and get non alcoholic beer. And I was like, well, 302 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:49.599 that's walking a really thin tight rope. I feel like you're like one 303 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.839 a little step away from just falling back in it. And then they were 304 00:20:53.880 --> 00:21:00.119 like, well, I figure it's it's like harm reduction. In harm reduction, 305 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.200 in one way, it feels kind of icky. It doesn't feel great. 306 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.519 It's like it kind of feels like a cop out. But I will 307 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:15.440 say that to quit nicotine, I did use harm reduction. I'd call it 308 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:21.240 long term harm reduction. Like I quit smoking and went to vaping, and 309 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:25.079 I just did that forever because I've had the same results that you did. 310 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:29.640 Like, it wasn't good for me, but it was so much better than 311 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.839 smoking was. I didn't have any of the breathing issues, and that was 312 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:37.200 the biggest issue for me, and that's how I had the breathing issues, 313 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.440 because I'm a big guy too, and I had some hard issues back in 314 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.920 the day. But it went from like one hundred percent of an issue to 315 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:45.920 like five percent of an issue. They were still there a little bit, 316 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:53.559 but barely. And then to quit the vaping eventually years later, I ended 317 00:21:53.640 --> 00:22:00.680 up just going off the nicotine but staying on the vaping because I didn't realize, 318 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.839 well I kind of realized this, but I didn't realize how bad it 319 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:10.960 was. I was addicted to just the act of vaping, I think just 320 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.359 as much, maybe more, but at least just as much as the nicotine 321 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:19.799 itself. So betting able to step that down, getting off the nicotine for 322 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:23.880 a week and then getting off the vaping, you know, doing it in 323 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:29.480 two steps. I think that helped. I was because that one day that 324 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.920 I got off both, I wanted to kill all you guys for no reason. 325 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.720 You did nothing to me that day, and I just all I can 326 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:40.400 imagine with my hands around your neck, you know. The next day I 327 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:42.480 got to know nicotine vape, and it's like fifty percent of all of this 328 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:47.240 hatred that bubbled up inside me. I didn't know who existed was gone. 329 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:53.960 That's nice, but you did that. But so I don't know how to 330 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.359 about the harm reductions, like because it worked for me with that, but 331 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:07.000 I don't feel like buying people needles is going to help anybody. Yeah, 332 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.720 I don't know. Maybe it'll help somebody not get sick. Yeah, they 333 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.000 I don't know. They said that if all just because someone's drinking, and 334 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.839 so the stuff that we have to go through is very confusing, and you're 335 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:23.160 about to go through the recovery coach training but you know, and it might 336 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.960 have changed from the one that I've taken. I'm not sure, but they 337 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.240 were like, look, you know, if someone and and that's the thing, 338 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.200 like you're a recovery coach. You're trying to be a recovery coach. 339 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:37.960 Amy a recovery coach, Like it's not your job to judge people. You 340 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.319 know, if someone drinks that day and then college you the next day and 341 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.119 says, hey man, I need help, Like we're not gonna be like 342 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.200 no, because you drink your das drugs, you're out of here, buddy. 343 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.759 That's not what we do. You know, that's complete, that's not 344 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.240 what we do. So you know, we just help the people where we 345 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.039 can and where they meet them, where they're at. But sometimes they'll say, 346 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.480 like, look, man, like this guy was drinking this much and 347 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.440 now he's drinking this much. I mean, end result, he's drunk, 348 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:07.359 and I'm like, yeah, but I really don't want to talk to a 349 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.599 drunk person. My mom told me a long time ago that it's pointless, 350 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.319 like if somebody's like hammered drunk, you can't get through to them. Nothing 351 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.480 you stay will ever make sense and they're always going to be right in their 352 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.839 mind. And you know, just she's like she learned from me dealing with 353 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:23.960 me. Well, it never worked for me either, because I tried that, 354 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.440 you know, well maybe I can switch this up or only drink half 355 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:32.400 pints or only drink you know, lower proof, and it didn't really matter. 356 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:36.319 Every time I cut down, it's like the pathway found a way too 357 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:47.559 more than I was before. So it's very temporary, and I mean, 358 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.640 I don't think everybody's like that. Maybe it works for somebody, but I 359 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.880 feel I'll tell people. The same thing about AA meetings is I think they're 360 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:59.160 great. I think they work for some people, but they just that didn't 361 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:03.000 work for me. So maybe that's the same case. Maybe there is something 362 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.440 to harm reduction. Maybe they're giving it too much energy. Maybe it helps 363 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.960 less people than they think it does. Maybe it helps more and we're just 364 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.000 not doing enough. I don't know. I don't have that answer. I'm 365 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.240 willing to talk to If anybody out there and wants to talk to me about 366 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:21.200 it, go to two seventeen recovery dot com slash Mitchell hit me up on 367 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:25.759 an email and we can have a conversation about it. Because it's just not 368 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:29.440 something I know enough about. I have feelings about it, but I have 369 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.160 no idea if my feelings are right right although, and that's the thing, 370 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.960 like I just feel like sometimes they tell us, Nope, this is what 371 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.440 you have to believe. This is what everybody has to believe. And again 372 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:42.680 I just don't. I just don't believe that's the case. Like the dude 373 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.920 from Harm Reduction, that Derek guy, he doesn't like people who vape. 374 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.480 He has every right, he's has every right to think that, you know. 375 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:56.160 But I just thumb it out there because I think that vaping is a 376 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.200 harm reduction, but yet it's not looked at it like that. And I 377 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:02.000 know there are a few companies that are trying to get it past as harm 378 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.839 reduction, and I think it should, you know, but well never in 379 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.559 Michigan. I don't think when Whitmer's in office. I think when she leaves, 380 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.640 it will probably help out. That's it in the beginning too, though. 381 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.400 Yeah, and it's just like that went away. I don't I don't 382 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.079 know how they got that to go away because there so you can't say that 383 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:23.240 because there's not enough evidence. Well there's not enough evidence the other way either, 384 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:29.119 Yeah, to say that it's not so. And I don't know. 385 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.920 We can go on about this and I don't want to because it just gets 386 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.640 me fired up. Man. I want to talk about something that happened to 387 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.559 me yesterday. If we got time. It's a little bit of a of 388 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:45.799 a switch. But it was really cool. Um, I got to take 389 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:52.039 my first recovery to treatment and it was a little bit of an adventure. 390 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.319 She was great. Um, we you know, had a good conversation there 391 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.680 and back. I got to talk to somebody that was going into detox. 392 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:06.400 That was a really great conversation and it really it kind of took me back 393 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:11.559 to some places that I've been. But the biggest thing was where I took 394 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:18.279 this person to treatment was right in the heart of some of the trauma from 395 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:25.680 my past, and I didn't realize. I've been working really hard through my 396 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:33.480 spirituality and just personal growth and my recovery to deal with some of that, 397 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.680 and I thought a lot of what I started to experience yesterday was already taken 398 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:42.039 care of. And I started to dip into some of the hatred for a 399 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:48.720 certain person in my past that I had in bitterness because of things that they 400 00:27:48.200 --> 00:28:00.480 had done to me sexual relationship. I will neither confirm nor deny, but 401 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.119 um, and it took me a little bit. I just kind of fell 402 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:11.279 into that, that that hat and that those those negative feelings like a pit 403 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.720 Yeah, um, where were the where were the sound effects when we needed 404 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:26.599 a cheer earlier? Man? But anyway, I was able to be self 405 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.240 aware enough, like I it, these negative feelings hit me and I was 406 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.319 on the drive back, and I was able to be self aware enough to 407 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:40.839 use some of the new coping mechanisms that I've learned. Man, So like 408 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.440 send text messages to your boss. Well that was this was after that complaining 409 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.759 about the death trap he sent me in. Um, I wouldn't recommend that 410 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.160 hoping skill for other people listening out there. No, this was this was 411 00:28:53.240 --> 00:29:00.279 other things. Uh, I wondered if you still had that. Um, 412 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.680 I've been using that all over the place now, that's like my sign off. 413 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.440 But anyway, I was able to do the good things that I've learned 414 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.279 to get myself out of it, and I feel like I grew from it. 415 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.880 And then I went to a meeting last night and I got to share 416 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.720 that, and everybody really really enjoyed the story about how I had went through 417 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:26.240 this tough thing. I used something that I learned in recovery and kind of 418 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.039 and grew from it and it was a good thing. And in the end, 419 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.400 like that or they were like, thanks for sharing that. That's great 420 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.640 that you're vulnerable and that you opened up to everybody. Let's say it was 421 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.440 the opposite of that. They were yeah, they were happy about it. 422 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:51.480 Oh yeah, yeah, they were like yeah that good. No, No, 423 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.119 They're like, that is awesome, that's great, thank you for sharing 424 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.160 that. Like that makes a lot of sense. And somebody was like, 425 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.599 I have never thought about it that way. And there's a lot of other 426 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.680 cool thing is that happened at that meeting, But that was just a really 427 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.759 good one and I got to leave there with kind of a bigger sense of 428 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:08.960 purpose and it was it was cool yesterday. It was a good day I 429 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.079 had. I got grumpy in it and said some things to my boss I 430 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:18.599 probably shouldn't, but he has been pretty gracious with me and moved on and 431 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:27.000 it ended up good. So maybe he cares about your concerns. That's that's 432 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:36.039 funny, isn't it. It's probably the chances of that. So no, 433 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:42.359 I care when Martie makes me dang. Since we got what we got, 434 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:49.039 like a truth serum going on here, I answering no tough questions, no, 435 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.160 but like I learned something that well, I know, we guys probably 436 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.279 want to wrap it up and go home, but like I'm still paying you 437 00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.799 for the next couple minutes. Just hang out, listen to me talk. 438 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.680 But there was the thing we had to go to in Plymouth for Marnie's father, 439 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.000 and he was a lawyer for fifty years, and the Bar Association of 440 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.559 Michigan was having like this luncheon for them, like people that had fifty years, 441 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:18.640 you know, and you walked to the bar the Bar Association. Yeah, 442 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.640 yeah, I passed the bar. Her dad like passed the bar and 443 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.359 he is actually in recovery too, like fifteen years and I think now, 444 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:32.000 So he was having that. And it was all the way in Plymouth, 445 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.359 which is like four hours from here, and it was at noons. We 446 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:41.599 had to leave early on Thursday to get there. And we get there and 447 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:48.400 it's about two hours and then we were posted to drive back. But I 448 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:49.920 think Justin had told me, Man, just pack your bag and stay there. 449 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:52.079 So I was like, man, we're gonna do this and this because 450 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.119 I still had a bunch of things I had to do for work, you 451 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.440 know, And I was like, how the hell, Like I'm gonna drive 452 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.799 eight hours through the day, which I've done before, sure, but then 453 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:06.960 I still have about four hours of work to do, important work that like 454 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.240 if I don't do, then we don't we don't eat, you know. 455 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.680 So it's not like just like, yeah, well maybe I'll get to that 456 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.119 later. It's like, no, this has to be done at this time 457 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.759 or else. So we ended up staying there. But but I was given 458 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.599 an out. Marnie said, Honey, I know you have a lot of 459 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.279 things to do tomorrow. You don't have to go with me. And I 460 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.440 sidestep that bear trap? Is there no way not falling for that one? 461 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.799 I'm going with you, you know, And yeah I did. I mean 462 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:43.039 they the selfish part of me wanted to go, okay, cool, see 463 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:47.000 you when you're gonna be home by eight o'clock. Okay cool? You know, 464 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.960 like that's the selfish part of me wanted to do that, you know, 465 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.799 because I'm like, man, I'll go in, dick around at work 466 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.279 or whatever and get my stuff done up plenty of time then and then what 467 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.960 am I gonna do? A fly to drone or something or I don't know, 468 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.319 just that that selfish part of me though, And when you're in early 469 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:07.200 recovery, it maybe it takes longer for that stuff to kind of stink in 470 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:12.240 that You have to choose the right you have to make the right choice sometimes, 471 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.480 and that's not always the choice you want. You mean to tell me 472 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.799 that, Well, I was complaining to you about what was frustrating about my 473 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:29.359 day yesterday, that you were having a day yesterday. You have feelings too, 474 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:36.079 And I told Marny, I was like, no, that's what I 475 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:39.680 thought. Yeah, not everybody's still working on them looking for him, but 476 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.720 no, it was one of those situations though that I told her, I 477 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.920 was like, look, this will be a character builder because when I get 478 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.880 stressed, I get grump being angry, and I think that's a normal reaction. 479 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.200 Though before I would go drink when I got stressed, but now I 480 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.599 don't do that, so it's like er. But I'm still trying to figure 481 00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.000 that out. And I told her, I was like, it'll be a 482 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.359 character builder for me, you know, like I'll have some pressure and I'll 483 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.640 have to get this stuff done at a certain time, but you know, 484 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.039 there's there's other ways to do it. And I can still go with you 485 00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:10.480 and be with you when you support your father and when you get stressed. 486 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:20.880 Um it it becomes a thing where I have to watch what I say. 487 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:30.559 It's a exercise for both of us because codependency going on here. Sometimes you 488 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:35.280 some of the things you say when you're frustrated, and I don't think i've 489 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.920 been able to I'm glad we're doing this on a podcast. Yeah, are 490 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:49.599 kind of funny. Bye, um Man, I'm gonna have to listen to 491 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:54.679 podcast just so I can hear the sound effect. That's right. We should 492 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.840 just sit really close to each other and pull it out and then you know 493 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.719 we can get right. I think we're doing that stuff anyway. We do 494 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.920 have the door closed in my office, but when I get sitting close and 495 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:09.119 pulling it out, that's not like your positions you said earlier. While we 496 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.719 were filming things, We're like, wait a minute, what are we film 497 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.800 me? When you went into the bathroom real quick, You're like, hold 498 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.239 on, give me a minute. See in there, come out like powder. 499 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.519 I'm like, you don't powder your balls, man, I'm telling you 500 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.840 you don't do that. How's another conversation we had the other day. But 501 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:27.000 you know, it's just it's great. Like I'll have to be like because 502 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.960 I want to say something because a lot of times we joke around with each 503 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.159 other. But I'm like, no, he's actually frustrated right now, keep 504 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:40.480 your mouth shut. Yeah yeah, that's dude. Yeah, some things that 505 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:44.719 just drives me nuts. But I don't know, man, it's part of 506 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:45.840 it, you know, and it's part of learning and part of growing. 507 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:52.679 But I just was proud of myself that I could sidestep the bear trap because 508 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.239 if I'd have been like, okay, and this is a message for all 509 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.760 guys. The bear traps are set. They're out there. They're easy. 510 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.079 Here you go walking on this road. Yeah, there's there's a bear chapter. 511 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.440 You're gonna stop in it. And then it's then what it's gonna be 512 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.639 like. You know, then you're gonna be really hate in life. And 513 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:15.079 there's a lot of things I like, and that if my wife isn't happy, 514 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.480 then them things don't happen, you know I'm saying. So I'm just 515 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.440 saying that I want to make her happy, and at the same time it 516 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.440 might not be what I want to be doing with my time, but she 517 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.519 is my wife and I have to go do those things. Welcome to being 518 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.639 married, I know that's what some guys saying right now. He's like, 519 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:39.639 we're going to be a married sucker. I hate it when people do that. 520 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.960 Added well, yeah, or talked down about their marriage. Well, 521 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.920 I was saying, it's probably some guy who would you don't do that, 522 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.639 But some fifth year old guy has like three or four twenty eight year old 523 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.440 girlfriends. And my dad was that way, and I've known other people like, 524 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.440 well, you're know, like, how's it going? You're like, 525 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.119 what are your old wife for her? And I'm just like, well, 526 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.079 why are you if this is such a pain in your ass? Why are 527 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.920 you doing this? You know? You just you hit a thing where when 528 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.840 people bring it up, it's just like one of those things for me, 529 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.800 like there are people out there that want to have that relationship and you're shitting 530 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.679 on it right now. So you didn't do that, I'm just gonna stop. 531 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.920 Yeah. I kind of did that about Tuesday night when I was talking 532 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.000 about the stream center, but I had some jokes to go with it. 533 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.400 I'm like, well, I love being married all the stuff you gotta do. 534 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:30.320 But I was kind of telling them that you have to do the stuff 535 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.199 you don't want to do, And that was my whole kind of point with 536 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.440 that. You gotta be that with those guys though. Yeah, I haven't 537 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.840 figured out how to reach them yet. You do it really good sometimes, 538 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.280 like two weeks show it was horrible. Then this last week though it was 539 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.320 good. That was another day. I was just off that night. You 540 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.440 know, you want to go and I'm like, I just want to go 541 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.440 home and go to bed. I don't know what. It was a full 542 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.760 Oh. That was the day that I had to step out of my comfort 543 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:04.000 zone for you again. Again, we weren't sitting close pulling anything out like 544 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:14.119 that. Nobody was videotaping either. No, we never videotaped those. No. 545 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:19.079 Yeah, I just heard a lot of excuses of why something couldn't get 546 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.119 done, and it's like, dude, look man, like it can it 547 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:23.719 can't get done, you know. And my whole thing was, there weren't 548 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.039 excuses why something couldn't get done. There were reasons why I had already done 549 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.360 it, but not in person. But I just was waiting for the results 550 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.039 of it to come back. You're like, yeah, it's not fast enough. 551 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.320 You need to figure it out further. And I'm like, my whole 552 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.440 thing was, it's like, okay, so the excuses were a thing I 553 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.559 did in addiction, and so I don't do that anymore. And so I 554 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.960 thought I had already done well, yeah, I'm trying not to do that. 555 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.880 I thought I already made took those steps. And then you're like, 556 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:57.679 yep, not good enough. So whatever I went, I went full. 557 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.800 I went all the way through it and pushed through, proved that I can 558 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.079 do it. So and that felt good at the end of the day too. 559 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.519 You're like, no, I was in a really bad mood. By 560 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.159 the end of the day, it felt good. Like the next day after 561 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.079 I got some rust. You're like, wow, cool, I got that 562 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.599 done, Like that's great. Yeah, And it was cool because I got 563 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.920 it done in the expiration dates further back then it would have been, and 564 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.199 there were there were good things about it, but I was so drained by 565 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.039 the end of the day and just having to do things that I didn't like 566 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:30.760 to do. And I need to have gratitude about it because it's it's a 567 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.760 growing thing and thanking you for pushing me. And I kind of did through 568 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.000 gritted teeth. I was like, thank you because it was a growing experience 569 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.679 and I appreciate you pushing me. Just post my limits so I can exp 570 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.119 but I didn't feel it yet when I said it, and I was trying 571 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.559 to get there. So yeah, it's I can't hurt you, you know, 572 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.320 you can still do it. But it's just it's hard, though, 573 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:58.079 to do those things you don't want to do. That's why I had to 574 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.039 do it again. I was like, okay, and then you do them 575 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.039 and you're like, oh, that wasn't so bad, you know. And 576 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:06.400 Marty tried to telling me that today when I had to deal with the state, 577 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.159 Oh, dude, some so much though in different directions and yeah, 578 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.639 this is like the unemployment insurance or whatever that they automatically take from everybody, 579 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:17.880 you know, Like it's not like I'm like, hey, let me take 580 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.920 some of that, but no, they're like we're taking this. And I'm 581 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.159 like okay. Yeah. So they're like, oh, you got to report 582 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:28.079 on that, and I was like, yeah, but you guys didn't let 583 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.679 me set up my password and or something an email and let say, I 584 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:32.559 know, they told me I couldn't have a number. Then they gave me 585 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.039 a number, so I used it and they're like, oh, yeah, 586 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.320 wrong number. And I'm like, well, who we've been paying? Then, 587 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.679 you know, like who's got that money? They're a little lepricrown running 588 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.920 around there, and they're the unemployment tree. I don't know, like Whittner's 589 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:52.719 out there with a little lepricrown run around money. Yeah, you probably do. 590 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.440 But so yeah, I so I had to deal with that. And 591 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:58.159 then she's all like see, doesn't that feel good to deal with that and 592 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.599 get it over with? And I was like, just go chuckle, that's 593 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.679 what we're not done yet. That was like one phone call. That one's 594 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.360 yeah, now I feel carsick. So which one's my fault. I'm gonna 595 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:16.920 go film some videos. Oh but for real though, look at our grand 596 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.239 opening video or look for it. It'll be coming soon. And I'm glad 597 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.000 we did that. It was fun and I think the bloopers are going to 598 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.039 be the best part of it, all of them. They always are at 599 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.960 everything. You'll get to see how much fun we're having. We're not having. 600 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.199 We get to have some fun push, like I said, pushing past 601 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.800 those boundaries. Yeah. But if you want to talk harm production, you 602 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.920 reach out to Mitchell at two seventeen recovery dot com is page to seventeen recovery 603 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.440 dot com slash Mitchell. It's a conversation I want to have. If you 604 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.159 want to talk about feelings, then that would be with Adam Stevens. It's 605 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.840 two seventeen recovery dot com slash Adam and Adam at two seventeen recovery dot com 606 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.800 is his email. Hi. Yeah, I want to talk videos. What's 607 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:09.800 up Justin? Do you want to buy shirts justin that in the video somewhere? 608 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.000 Yeah? We should. I wish we had a video of that. 609 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.719 We're talking about the live breaks we were doing with the wireless in Justin you 610 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.920 fam, Yeah, it's inappropriate timing, which but it was perfect timing, 611 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:28.639 like you couldn't play it perfectly inappropriate. Oh that's yeah, you're helping people 612 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.639 and Grant, okay, you want to buy shirt? That was his whole 613 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.400 goal was to at least sell a certain amount of shirts. It's like, 614 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.960 this girl's talking too long, all that stuff you're telling me, that's awesome, 615 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:44.480 we want buy shirt? I mean, and it is in all fairness. 616 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:45.320 It was like that one lady. I told him. I was like, 617 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.320 look, you're gonna go get some either grab that stuff out of the 618 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.239 trash or help her put it in the trash. It was the one that 619 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.639 got me though. It was the lady she didn't even want a shirt. 620 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.400 She wanted to give us money. Yeah, and she was awesome too, 621 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.920 And he's just like, you want to I think that was that the third 622 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.519 or fourth one ladea. I was trying to talk to people, and so 623 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.960 I wasn't paying attention. I kept looking over in between people, and I'd 624 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.000 catch a little bits of the lady putting boxes in the trash, and then 625 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:19.199 then this other lady and she did. She was saying some really profound things 626 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:27.320 about recovery. And then you know she wanted and all right, sure that's 627 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.440 a great yeah, because you'll be able to hear exactly what he says on 628 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:37.599 what day was that last Thursday? Yeah, yeah, week ago? Yeah 629 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:38.960 yeah, it was the one that Adam was on. So if you find 630 00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:45.400 on our app or on YouTube or however you listen on our website, find 631 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.760 the one with Corey, Adam and Justin on the wireless. It's like the 632 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.199 second or third one from you fam. Yeah, look for that and enjoy 633 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.840 it and we'll talk to you. I don't know. Enjoy the holiday weekend. 634 00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.360 We'll talk to you when we talk to you. Hye bye bye are 635 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.880 you saying bye again? Bye? Stop with Mitchell? Bye? Oh Christ 636 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:13.719 the budon I have a problem. Thanks for listening to the two seventeen Recovery 637 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.199 Podcast. We hope you come back for our next episode.