1 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,960 What is krack alac in. Fellow thermonuclear affors, I am Dan Valley, 2 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,440 coming at you as always with my certified fan tabulous Thermo Nuclear af co host 3 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:30,239 mister Grant Hues. We are here to talk about the biggest regret for every 4 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:34,439 NBA team during the twenty twenty three calendar year. Nice little New Year's themed 5 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:37,840 podcast. We are doing the Western Conference on this one. I don't know 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,600 which one I'm putting up first. I think West will probably go first at 7 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,000 this point based off the order of events since we already recorded the Eastern Conference 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,320 pod, so they will be split up. It's a fun exercise before we 9 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:50,560 get or maybe it's not so fun for certain fan bases. 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I don't know if you 19 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:29,680 saw any of we're recording this Wednesday night. The Nets game tonight, Nick 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,040 Claxton was inactive, but he was wearing a green sweater with some sunglasses, 21 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,560 and the sweater had like spikes in the shoulders. It looked like but like 22 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,079 under the fabric. So I did not see this. So I'm doing great 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,879 because I've never seen a sweater like that, and so I'm just I'm excited 24 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,560 about it. And I was gonna say, like Nick Claxton, I'm ready 25 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,879 to make some points because his shoulders had little points on him. So here 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,159 we go. We're gonna make points today. Also, we're gonna read some 27 00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:59,079 news because we forgot to do that last time. We're gonna do it. 28 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,560 Yes, So let's get into some NBA news, the latest news and rumors. 29 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:07,480 First. Do you want to start us off? Sure? For the 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,719 Atlanta Hawks, DeAndre Hunter underwent a non surgical procedure on Tuesday to address his 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:16,120 right knee inflammation. He'll be re evaluated in two weeks. Also, according 32 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:21,479 to mark Stein, there was some chatter during the recently concluded G League showcase 33 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,199 that indicates the Hawks are willing to move to Jonte Murray. He cannot, 34 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:28,479 by the way, be moved until January ninth because of that extension he signed 35 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,240 over the offseason. The hundred things a big blow. Not great. Yeah, 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,439 that's not a great load for the Hawks, but it's probably is it 37 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,199 the right decision? I guess it depends on if they're doing it just to 38 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,280 get like recoup picks and prospects. I don't know if I love it, 39 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:46,240 but if it's to sort of re you know, calibrate the roster a little 40 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,520 bit, like to get some bigger sized wings in there. But I just 41 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,280 don't know. This team is like so blah in the worst way. I 42 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,879 don't know what to make of them, because Murray's not a bad deal. 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,120 It's just he's not having He has not nudged them far enough. I mean 44 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:02,560 they first of all, they're not better than they were last season, but 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,439 he just hasn't moved the needle in the way that they were expecting him to, 46 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:12,159 or this core in general. He's simultaneously been like pretty good and actually 47 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:15,840 better offensively maybe then you would have expected, but he hasn't been the defensive 48 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,039 piece that they expect. And that was really like the whole deal of let's 49 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,919 put this guy next to Trey Young. He can guard ones or twos or 50 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,080 whoever. Young can't like that. He's just yeah, I don't know, 51 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:29,400 I don't know what the explanation is, but Murray has just kind of flipped 52 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,240 as a player type. He's an offense first player now. And the other 53 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,639 thing is just like, is this more so a symptom of Okay, well, 54 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,159 DeAndre Hunter and Clint Copela aren't gonna have robust markets and so we're gonna 55 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:42,879 move to John Murray. It's yeah, I mean, you can only trade 56 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:46,000 guys that they're markets for. I don't know how much of one there is 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,719 for either of those guys. That's a good point. The Boston Celtics are 58 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:53,560 reportedly interested in Kelly Olnik, a nice little reunion with him per Mark Steine. 59 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,000 The thing I'll say there is they can't really unless they're going to trade 60 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,039 Al Horford or really step ladder their way to get to Kelly Olynic's money. 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,560 He's making twelve million that needs to be a buyout situation and they can sign 62 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:09,280 him because he's making less than this year's mid level, so they will be 63 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:14,080 able to sign him via the buyout market. I just don't I don't view 64 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,759 this as a I'm sure they're interested in him. I just the path to 65 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:18,800 him getting there would have to get lucky, because you would have to like, 66 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,240 why would you ta buy him out? He's someone who they might want 67 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,079 to bring back. I would think if they're not going to trade him, 68 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,720 and then two where if someone else wants him, I can promise him a 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,519 more prominent role. Yeah, and like I mean, I like Kelly Olinic. 70 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,439 I think he's definitely the center that several teams should be targeting. I 71 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,639 don't know about the Celtics, though, it feels like, what you know, 72 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,000 their third big ought to be kind of like what Kita has been for 73 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,759 them in like a tiny role, just like a big bruiser. Uh Olynic's 74 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,800 not really that. He kind of does a lot of the Horford type stuff. 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,480 I guess, so I would prefer like a I don't know, like 76 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:54,800 a change of pace as another option. A big band gives you some rim 77 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,920 pressure rather than a big who stretches the floor so that you can optimize what 78 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:01,879 little rim pressure you get. Yeah, players, you've got that covered already 79 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,000 if you're Boston Brooklyn Nets, Jock Vaughn said, Lonnie Walker the fourth is 80 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,439 gonna be out through at least this Friday with the hamstring issue and an illness. 81 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,000 He has not played since November thirtieth. Kind of a I mean, 82 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,439 you'd think you would have thought this last year, but Lonnie Walker has played 83 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:17,399 well enough this year that he should not be signing another minimum deal. Fourteen 84 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:20,920 points six points per game this year, making forty six percent of his threes, 85 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,079 Like really quietly awesome year for him. I would have assumed he was 86 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:29,199 gonna get a bigger deal after playing well for the Lakers. But here we 87 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,720 are. Who's more likely to get a minimum contract or sign a minimum contract 88 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,439 Tamer Kelly Bridge Unior next season. I mean, neither of them, Neither 89 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:38,639 of them should should be on. You have to pick one, though, 90 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:43,839 I'm gonna pick I'm gonna pick Walker just because Ubre has got the wing size 91 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,600 that that might I mean, yeah, but again, if either of them 92 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:50,040 signs for a minimum, somebody got a bargain. I would say for Charlotte 93 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,959 Brandon Miller left their loss on Denver this past Saturday with a right ankles brain. 94 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,000 He missed Tuesday's game against the Clippers and has listed as day to day. 95 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,319 He could return on Thursday against the Lake. There's just that language just 96 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:03,600 proves that the Western Conference podcast is going up first grant. There you go. 97 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,360 That settled it. Nothing to add there. The Chicago Bulls Zach Lvine 98 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,399 has resumed on court work or as of Wednesday when we're recording this, the 99 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,560 Bulls don't have a firm timetable for his return from that right foot injury. 100 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,000 According to the Chicago Tribune, he has not played since Iember twenty eighth, 101 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,920 and the Bulls are nine to four without him. Woch reiterated the market this 102 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,199 is my favorite thing because what was what was? I forget what the adjective 103 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,360 was before there like there is no market, it's non existent. I forget 104 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:34,959 what it was. Now. Woach says, the market for Levine is quote 105 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:39,800 barren. As he recovers from a right foot injury, we need to I 106 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,560 mean, we got to come up with some more. Uh it is. 107 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:49,879 The market is a desolate hellscape where nothing lives. You can survive only using 108 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:55,600 your wits and grit. Nikola Vuchovich is also going to miss the next seven 109 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:59,199 to ten days with a groin strain that is per the athletic. We can 110 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,839 we stop with the non like the breaking news, the non breaking news, 111 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:09,720 breaking news on things just on the breaking. Can you just FYI us when 112 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,399 there is a market that's not an infernic abyss for zaq Lavine at this point, 113 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,040 which, by the way, I'm just curious as to what he'll actually 114 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:23,279 get traded for though with all this reporting like it could be a leverage play 115 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:27,160 from zach Lavine's people to try and just lower his value and get other teams 116 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,879 interested, it's not. It's definitely not benefiting the bulls by saying there's not 117 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,560 a market for room unless they're looking for cover as to why they haven't moved 118 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,120 him. I don't think anyone would expect them to move him while he's injured. 119 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,480 I'm just I'm very curious to I think you and I when we said 120 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,839 would he get two and a half the equivalent of first round picks and prospects, 121 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,439 we both hit the over. Would you still say that or you don't 122 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:50,199 think so? Was I forgot we had that conversation. You'll never believe it. 123 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,680 But I was thinking, like one and a half? Is it going 124 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,680 to be over under one and a half now, so suggests I'm under the 125 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,279 two and a half. That's I'll take the over on that, but our 126 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:01,199 initial I don't know if I would still stick with the over. Well, 127 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,800 and is it gonna be dead salary or is there gonna be a real player 128 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,879 or two in there. I just still attatching picks to Levine to try and 129 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,240 up the anty for this season. I mean, go again. I was 130 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,879 just saying gosh, and then I was gonna say galli, and I kind 131 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,439 of stopped in the middle. Let's see no Cavs, so you got the 132 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,959 Mavericks next. Yeah. So, Kyrie Irving, who has not played since 133 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,439 December eighth with a bruised right heel, has ramped up his on court work. 134 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:30,879 According to Jason Kidd, there's still no concrete time table for his return, 135 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,840 which is apparently fine because Lucas just detonating all over the place. Grant 136 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:37,879 Williams was moved to the bench on Christmas and is expected to remain out of 137 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,519 the starting five for the foreseeable future. Tim Hardaway Junior is starting at the 138 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:46,600 moment. But Kid did say he plans to roll out Luca Kyrie, Exhem, 139 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,840 Derrek Jones Junior and Lively once Irving returns from injury. That's noteworthy. 140 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,080 And I don't want to spoil part of this podcast because it does involve Grant 141 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,639 Williams for the magic, but that's just something to like, you didn't give 142 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,200 up a twenty thirty picks while for Grant Williams to not start him. Yeah, 143 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:07,440 That's where I'll leave it, don't you think ultimately in the playoffs, 144 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,679 for example, like Grant Williams is gonna matter more than Tim Hardaway Junior. 145 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,720 He just has to just for the matchups you're gonna need him to handle and 146 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,960 and that kind of thing. Does he matter more than ExHAM and do or 147 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,039 Derek Jones Junior? I mean, well, I don't know. It kind 148 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:28,480 of depends who they play. I guess that's not great if that's although I 149 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,679 mean both those guys have been awesome fines. I mean Exim is really that 150 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,720 is really the fine. Jones Junior is just he's just playing better than he 151 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,320 has. Yeah, the offense is pulled back for him, but for sure, 152 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:43,399 Denver Aaron Gordon is a wild story. Required twenty one stitches to lacerations 153 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:46,559 on his face and right hand, his shooting hand after suffering a dog bite 154 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,799 on Christmas. He's out indefinitely. I think he was listed the reports I 155 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,960 saw in good condition. It's not expected to be like some crazy long absence. 156 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,879 But that's that's a that's a not a I don't know if that's a 157 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,799 new one in the injury book, but that's a A one for sure, 158 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,559 I gotta be I just want to know whose dog was it? What was 159 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,039 the circumstances? Right, Yeah, real scary though. I mean, like 160 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,879 that's twenty one stitches is no joke, No hope he's gets gets back soon. 161 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,879 That's that's a wild one. That's a big absence. I mean, 162 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:18,159 the Nuggets are still just Jokic is the only player they can't afford to lose, 163 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,000 but their life on defense gets a lot harder without Aaron Gordon. What 164 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,720 do you think more Peyton Watson? Maybe more small ball with with Brown playing, 165 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,440 Like, what's what's the more MPG at the four? I don't know, 166 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,080 I don't know what they're what that's gonna change really line up? I 167 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,159 think Peyton Watson is the guy who will benefit most and probably I think Brown 168 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,759 and Watson will soak up a majority of the minutes. It's just like, 169 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,120 maybe you just see more strawth or get a chance, or do they have 170 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:45,960 to like break the the Zeke Nagy in case of emergency glass Zeke Naji's about 171 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,879 to start happening. It's gonna it's gonna be what if it does, That's 172 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:52,879 what we need. The Wold's update, znagy is happening on the Pistons. 173 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,120 Uh. They set the NBA record for consecutive losses with twenty seven on Tuesday 174 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,240 night against the Nets. Congratulations to tell you hadn't heard about that for weeks. 175 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:03,840 On End On Run It Back, Sean Sharania said that the Pistons are 176 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,240 targeting a four man via trade. This is kind of recycled news, but 177 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:11,600 he adds names that he's monitoring, or that the Pissons are monitoring are Pascal 178 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:18,399 Siakam, Ognnobi, Tobias Harris, and Miles Bridges. I just explain this 179 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,559 Pascal Siakam's purpose on this team. That is just like, what are we 180 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,679 doing here? And then oh go ahead, no, I just I was 181 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:33,360 just gonna express incredulity using different words. Probably I don't understand, like and 182 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,720 literally any of these guys. I mean, I guess you'd say, well, 183 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,159 they're they're gonna max out OG when in free agency. I get it, 184 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,600 But like something to note is just like, what's the point of trading 185 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,039 for Miles Bridges because his bird rights won't transfer, and so you're gonna have 186 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,399 to unless you think he just doesn't cost anything to retain, you're just gonna 187 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:52,639 go after him in free agency anyway? And then what does that say about 188 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,559 the organization that they're comfortable bringing in Miles Bridges? Would be another thing to 189 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:00,679 note. I didn'tobe. I think makes a lot of sense. But again, 190 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:03,120 why are you giving up assets for a soon to be free agent? 191 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,159 Who if I'm at a NOBI even if offers are a little bit less, 192 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,759 as long as they're comparable, I'm not staying in Detroit. That don't be 193 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:11,639 a part of this, no, right, Yeah, Well, like you're 194 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:16,320 not gonna you're if a team goes if he loses twenty seven games in a 195 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,480 row, the playoffs are like three years away. Like, I don't I 196 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,840 don't know. If I don't know, check the stats, I guess the 197 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:24,919 sample's really small because nobody's lost that many games. But like, if you 198 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,679 sign with Detroit as a free agent this summer, you're basically Pickas we're two 199 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,200 years away from being one year old. You're saying like, I will not 200 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,600 play a postseason game until twenty twenty six at the earliest. Like that's just 201 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,720 yours. There's no way. The turn turnarounds just don't happen like that. 202 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,360 All right, I've got the Warriors next based on the latest timetable for Draymond 203 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,960 Green's work on Himself program, which I love how you're framing that he could 204 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,440 return to the Warriors by the end of the week. What incredible work he 205 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,200 will have done on himself by then, He'll just be a change man, 206 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,919 right, sucking bullshit spin by the league. I'm not even blaming Draymond Green 207 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,039 for this. Who would accept it? This is just such bs, it'spin. 208 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,000 I did want to ask you, it's not in here. What did 209 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,799 you make of Steve Kurrz. Do we call it a rant or like you 210 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:13,399 know, I don't know yah tribe on legislating defense out of the game. 211 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,440 Can I give you my initial thoughts please? One, I don't think he 212 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:22,200 wasn't singling out Yokic in particular, just because Jokic is not the free throw 213 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:26,159 merchant that a lot of these other guys are. And two or I have 214 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,399 three points two, I don't think he's wrong, but three, it's just 215 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,440 very rich for someone to talk about legislating defense out of the equation when they 216 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:41,279 coach Steph Curry, who has these very unnatural leg kicks. And like some 217 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:46,879 although the Warriors would say Steph Curry gets is the victim of assault, like 218 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,759 every time he's running around off the ball and it's never called. But like 219 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,360 the fact that defensive players sort of can't touch offensive players has been more helpful 220 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,399 than not to both Steph and Clay over the last decade. Like, I 221 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,480 think them running around off the ball, like being free to move has been 222 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,840 a huge factor in the Warriors success. Yeah, yeah, I mean like. 223 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,440 And also my first thought was, just like anytime a coach complains about 224 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,080 officiating or almost literally anybody, I just tune it out. I just like, 225 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,120 this is I don't care, this isn't I actually light years had talked 226 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:20,879 about this. I liked it because he was basically shitting on at Adam Silver 227 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,799 rather than the referees. Who he said, I think did a fantastic John 228 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,879 So, I actually I appreciated the substance of this one more than most others. 229 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:33,000 But it's just like it wasn't a shot at Jokich in particular. It 230 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:37,840 was more just like him firing at Will Dreamond back by the end of the 231 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:43,000 week, huh. I just that's that's that's what we Maybe we're not sure 232 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,000 yet, but we're on. In the Houston Rockets, Grant Dylan Brooks left 233 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,960 Houston's Tuesday night lost to the Pacers with an oblique injury. Those are fickle 234 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:52,879 and to that end, head coaching Meyadoka says there's no timetable for his return, 235 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,679 which is I mean, that's a big deal Houston. His second in 236 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,799 point slap per possession as we record this. That's what more Tara Eason. 237 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,440 So what I'm was what I'm hearing right there for the only Clippers Kawhi Leonard 238 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,279 has missed the clippers past three games the left hip injury. This would not 239 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,480 have been news last year, but he was an iron man up until this 240 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,960 this season. Incredibly, TYLERU on Kawhi status moving forward, quote, he's 241 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,519 still day to day. He's progressing. He's feeling better, just not ready 242 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,879 yet. Let's hope that this is not like the tipping point of the season 243 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:28,200 where Kawhi goes back to the sporadic availability thing and we look back at the 244 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,240 first twenty five games as like, hey, remember remember when Kawhi was healthy, 245 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,480 how great he looked towards the end of put that. Don't even put 246 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,679 that into the ether, please, it's already there. I'm just pointing it 247 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:43,399 out. The Lakers Gabe Vincent underwent author scotprick surgery on his left name. 248 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,759 Will miss six to eight weeks. He has appeared in just five games this 249 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,679 season. The surgery comes after he made his initial return, only played a 250 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,039 game, and then all of a sudden there was nies soreness immediately, so 251 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:56,399 that that's pretty ominous. And then both Lebron James left me and Anthony Davis 252 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,840 left ankle sprain remained questionable on the Lakers' injury report. They're both clearly playing 253 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,639 through something, but it's always a little jarring the fact that they're just listed 254 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,200 perpetually on the Lakers' day to day injury report. Yeah, the Vincent injury, 255 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,159 I mean, it was kind of trending this way, it felt like 256 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,440 because it just couldn't couldn't get it right. It's a big deal because when 257 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,120 you look at the roster and how they feel about Danzel Russ right now, 258 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,159 like Pete Gabe, Vincent is someone who maybe closes Yeah, Lakers, I 259 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,919 mean that had to have been at least a consideration when they signed him. 260 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,840 It was just like, Okay, this guy is the two way guard that 261 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,879 we can put on the floor. And it's not a Well Russell kills us 262 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,600 defensively, and it's not a Vanderbilt kills us offensively. You can just put 263 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:38,159 Vincent out there and you're you're gonna be okay. Is a real playoff player. 264 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,679 I wonder if it makes it more or less likely he gets traded now 265 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,759 as sort of salary filler as part of a you know, we've always looked 266 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,200 at it as it'll be Dlo and Ruey Hachimura as the outgoing salary. Is 267 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,320 it now d Lo and Gabe Vincent because he won't play, or is it 268 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,759 which team wants him when he has a couple of years left on his deal. 269 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,840 That's that'll be an interesting dynamic from the Lakers. I'm probably still trying 270 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,720 to hold on to him. But I know Lakers fans in love with Ruby 271 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,759 Hotchimore and I'm still not I'm not a Ruby Hotchimore guy. Yeah, I 272 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:07,480 mean it's like an eighth, seventh or eighth guy maybe like that's but but 273 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,799 yeah, I guess I would say, I don't know if it means Vincent 274 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,599 necessarily is more likely to be traded because this, I mean, this could 275 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:18,680 be like I mean, already his season is going to be, you know, 276 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,000 halfway lost. At the very minimum, it might just be a lost 277 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,079 season entirely. I would say it makes it more likely and it was already 278 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,519 likely that the Lakers are going to make, you know, a significant move 279 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:34,200 that involves like two or three going out. For Memphis, Marcus Smart has 280 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:38,039 returned. He's back. He is not the reason they keep winning. That's 281 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:41,559 John Morant being back four and on in his first four games. Luke Kennard 282 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,680 also left Nie remains out but has at least been upgraded to day to day 283 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,279 on the injury report. With just like that's just the story of Cannard's career. 284 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:52,240 It feels like just long, long stretches with with foot, knee, 285 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,599 ankle stuff that just won't go away. Eric Poulstraw on the left calf injury 286 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:02,440 that has signed line Jimmy Butler the Miami Heats past three games. Quote, 287 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,079 he's going to go on this road trip with us. We have another day 288 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,160 before the next practice, two days before we get to San Francisco. I 289 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,160 really don't know right now what the timetable is. We'll have a better idea 290 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,839 by then. Yeah, I mean, I mean, this is the heat 291 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:18,279 in the regular season. But now they've dealt with absences to Tyler, hero 292 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,200 to Bam, the Jimmy Butler, and they're just still chugging along. It 293 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:26,720 doesn't matter because Duncan Robinson's good again and they just always find a way. 294 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,480 For the New Orleans Pelicans, Larry Nance Junior, who has not played since 295 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,279 November twenty seventh after he aggravated his right rib fracture, has been upgraded at 296 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:38,039 least too questionable on the Pelicans day to day injury report. So that's a 297 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:42,319 positive, and it's especially positive for anybody that is still of the mind that 298 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,480 you can count on him to be your closing five center, which I don't 299 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:48,680 know, I don't know if that's your if that's your plan. New Orleans. 300 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,880 That's that's a little dicey because you just I think you said it last 301 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,799 week, like he's just you can't count on it. He just can't count 302 00:18:55,799 --> 00:19:00,920 on him being available because he hasn't been for the Knicks. Bagley of SNY 303 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,920 reports that multiple prominent is the word he used. People within the organization viewed 304 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,319 de Jontay Murray as the ideal trade target. I think those people should be 305 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:14,920 immediately fired. I like de Jontay Murray, but if you're going to keep 306 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,839 here's where he becomes. Even I still wuldn't use the word ideal. He 307 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,960 only becomes a good trade target if RJ. Barrett and Julius Randall are not 308 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,440 on this roster. And I will say, I don't know why you would 309 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,559 move. If you're gonna move Julius Randall, just based off how he's played 310 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:33,559 this season, it shouldn't be for like to make room for de Jontay Murray. 311 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,799 I just I find that very curious. There's also something in that report 312 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,720 that Leon Rose is reluctant to do business though with Clutch and their their clients. 313 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,039 That might sort of nuke any potential Murray to New York talks anyway, 314 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,519 I don't. I saw Nicks sense not loving the idea of Brunson and Murray 315 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,480 in the back court. Actually kind of like that again, if it was 316 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:56,440 independent of RJ and Randall existing, and if it was a matter of just 317 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,279 getting rid of RJ. Sure, I mean like if if it was just 318 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:02,720 straight up like RJ in a second or something for de Jontay Murray, I'd 319 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,079 probably give it a whirl. I mean, you're super small at that point, 320 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,640 but he's been too roller coastery for me. It's just having him integrate 321 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,240 into a dynamic where Randall is there too, that is not the ideal fit 322 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,799 for me. I'm really like bumping on ideal as the word in here at 323 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:21,480 trait. It's just like he's so clear, like you can talk yourself into 324 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,319 it, like you sort of just did with some bunch of caveats, but 325 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,799 like he's not ideal. That's insane, that's not the position they need. 326 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,119 His contract is good, and so from that perspective, if you were able 327 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,640 to roll a deal that you don't let you know, if it's Fournier and 328 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,720 Barrett and stuff to get Murray and whatever. I get from an asset value 329 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,599 perspective, but just functionally with Jalen Brunton and Julius Randall. And I'm just 330 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,079 gonna assume that R. J. Barrett wouldn't be part of the team if 331 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:47,039 you're getting Murray. It just it doesn't make sense, and probably neither would 332 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:48,640 quickly long term, right because you're not gonna go back. Yeah, That's 333 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,599 the other thing is just like maybe they're looking at it as okay, is 334 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,200 Dejantai Murry gonna end up being like cheaper than a manual quickly or so? 335 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,359 I don't know, Maybe I doubt it, but well, who knows? 336 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,799 All Right? For the Orlando Magic, Joe Ingles is dealing with a sprained 337 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200 left ankle has missed the last six games. He continues to be listed at 338 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,160 day to day. Markle Foltz has missed twenty two straight as a Wednesday with 339 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,279 left knee tendonitis. Jonathan Isaac has now also missed another two straight games with 340 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:19,400 a hamstring issue. Any injury with him is always cause for concern, just 341 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,279 because of his history. Gary Harris missed Wednesday's game against the Sixers with a 342 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,160 left calf injury, So Orlando's kind of going through it right now. Just 343 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,440 on the injury front, but you got bank Carrol ballin though, yeah, 344 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,079 Palla bank Haarro's balling, Uh looking real good. Franz is coming around a 345 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,240 little bit after that ridiculously cold three point shooting start. So I don't know 346 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,559 if it's I'd have to go back and look more closely at his previous seasons. 347 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,440 But this year he just based off the way his hair looks. It 348 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,480 always seems like he's in crisis, just for every single moment of every single 349 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,759 game. He's just so disheveled looking. I was, you know, it's 350 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,079 funny. I was, well, I have analysis on another Wagner's hair, 351 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,319 which is MO and and he had like the center part going. He might 352 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,319 still have it going. The center part Uh, not a trend that we 353 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,599 need to return to. Never was a good look for anybody. So just 354 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,599 if we're gonna worry about the Wagner's collective hair, I'm I'm gonna start with 355 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:21,519 with Mo before we get the fronds. On Philly, Joel Embie missed his 356 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,279 second straight game with the right ankle sprain on Wednesday night. Nick Nurse said 357 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,519 Joel could return on Friday in Houston, though it's not definitive. Nicholas Patuma's 358 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:32,440 missed four straight games with the right hamstring issue. He's listened his day to 359 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,680 day. That's a sneaky, big absence for the six Ers. Good. 360 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,279 What did you make of the anything with Embiid is obviously concerning? What did 361 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:42,400 you make of sort of the the rumor I think it was from Spike Eskin 362 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,400 out there in Philly that Embiid like missed the Christmas came on purpose. He 363 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,920 already he said that he didn't want to play on Christmas, and then he 364 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000 apparently said he wanted a private plane that he could fly to Miami the day 365 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,799 of Christmas. There was clearly he suffered the injury. What was it the 366 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:00,640 game against Toronto? So like there was an injury. I just can't bring 367 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,759 myself to care about it. I will say, if he got the day 368 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,160 off because he didn't want to play on Christmas, that would be mega fucked 369 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,599 up to me. But it doesn't seem like that was the case. Yeah, 370 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,200 It's just really weird that a superstar player on a team run by Darryl 371 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,440 Moury would get preferential treatment on off days and privacy. Yeah, what is 372 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,960 that? What messages that send of the team that he was good. I 373 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,680 understand I'm not in the Sixers' locker room and Joel and be just beloved in 374 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,119 Philly, and maybe he has reasons for like, hey, I want to 375 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,079 be home for Chris. Like what messages that send of the team, Like 376 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,559 well, no, all you guys are gonna miss Christmas, Eve and Christmas. 377 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:37,359 But Joel can get Christmas morning and then we'll charter him a private jet 378 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:41,960 just because it's just like, come on, it worked with James Harden. 379 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:47,160 You know what was ring? How many rings? How many finals appearances does 380 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,079 Maury have with with James Arden? The only reason I gave that report any 381 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,240 credence was because Maury was involved. It's like, this is what he does. 382 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:56,359 He lets his guy do whatever he wants. That the fact that he 383 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,519 missed his second straight game though, he was like, right, well, 384 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,799 so what are you doing here? I agree? Uh, this is something 385 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:07,480 for the Phoenix Suns. Kevin Durant is reportedly frustrated, according to Wood, 386 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:12,000 who mentioned the lack of supporting assets if he's supporting casts, and lack of 387 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:18,359 assets to improve the team as possible reasons for Kevin Durant's reported discontent. You 388 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,920 know what, my suspicion is about Kevin Durant's reported discontent. He's always fucking 389 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,799 discontented. That's what that is, operating default setting. He's just never happy 390 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,400 wherever he is, and it's it's always sort of if this is true, 391 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,039 So I want to give Kevin Duran this is coming from Kevin Durant, and 392 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:40,799 but like his his discontent is often tone death like, oh the Warriors aren't 393 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,880 your team, Yeah no shit, Sherlock step Curry exists. Oh what's going 394 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,880 on in Brooklyn? There's no continuity? Yeah no shit. You hitch your 395 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,000 wagon a Kyrie fucking Irving, and then this they have no assets and the 396 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,920 supporting cast that sort of makeshift assets. Exactly. You demanded a trade to 397 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,880 one team and they gave up everything to get you, and what it's not 398 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,519 necessarily his fault that they gave up the farm, but it's like you weren't 399 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:07,359 You didn't play the Bradley Beal card where you acted like you had a no 400 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,440 trade clause. Bradley Beal actually had one. So just good dude, come 401 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,680 on, I'm gonna say, maybe he's not actually he was born at one 402 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,240 point, but you know what if you're if he is frustrated, tried defending 403 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,519 better this year, mister Kevin Durant, that would be that would be my 404 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,759 advice. I'm so like caught in a spot with him where because he does 405 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:32,960 seem like a thoughtful, like interesting guy that a lot of times seems to 406 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,480 have a like pretty good perspective, like as far as how important this basketball 407 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,279 thing is, like no one can ever question like how much he cares about 408 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,240 it too, even though he will admit like it's not life like that, 409 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,079 Like he says a lot of things that make you sort of I don't know 410 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,759 if refreshing is the right word, but make you feel like I kind of 411 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:56,240 agree with how he approaches the world and then like this shit specifically with just 412 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:02,319 like wherever he is, no matter how Taylor made or how much influence he's 413 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,480 had on creating the situation that he's in, which tends to be a lot 414 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,599 because he has that much clout. It just like it feels like a matter 415 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,640 of time before it's just like, no, this isn't it either. It's 416 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,599 just like we were I mean, I feel like we were saying this in 417 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,960 Brooklyn of like what's the constant through the constant is just like Durant, he's 418 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,599 the one that's that's like somehow disruptive and like unhealthy for the franchise. I 419 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,640 don't know. It's it's vibes in Dallas with Kyrie even since last season, 420 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,160 have felt better since the vibes in Phoenix with Kevin Durant. It's just is 421 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,480 this guy a morale killer somehow? And I agree with that mean you said 422 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,960 he he's relatable, He's at least accessible on social media, and I don't 423 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,000 want to pretend to know the guy from watching him a million miles away for 424 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:51,680 his career, but the fact that there we have enough reporting along these lines, 425 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,359 not necessarily since he joined Phoenix, but in general the course of his 426 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,240 career where it's there might just be something to this, and it's maybe he's 427 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:02,720 trying to figure out what he actually wants. Clearly I can respect, but 428 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,920 if he's actually frustrated because Phoenix has a makeshift supporting cats and a lack of 429 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:15,319 trade assets, it's buddy, come on well and just like the Suns did 430 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,279 an objectively incredible job building this team with no assets to do it with, 431 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Like all we talked about all off season was all great minimum signings, super 432 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:27,440 creative, like let's give away shares of our pick swaps to just like figure 433 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,680 out, let's go get second rounders somehow by like the Suns have done. 434 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:37,440 The Sons have gone above and beyond to like figure out how to have a 435 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,680 functioning team after giving up everything to get Durant and Beale. And it's like, 436 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,799 I just you said it, right, buddy, Like what do we 437 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,920 do? What do you want? Oh? Man? So and this will 438 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,160 be our final news item notable And for anyone who's wondering why we don't cover 439 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,079 like end of the benchure, this is just the most notable news items I 440 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,400 could find or that I deemed notable. Grant didn't really have a say in 441 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,680 how the doc was built. I apologize, I think of anything, there's 442 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,359 too much here. We should have just done the Kevin Durant thing for forty 443 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,400 minutes. Uh, don't worry, We're about that. We're gonna get back 444 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,960 to Kevin Durant, don't you worry. Well, so the Raptors, according 445 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,000 to woj quote aren't there yet with regard to trading og and Siakam. So 446 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,599 it's late at night, and so I'm going to use this analogy. So 447 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,799 anyone who's listening with children in the car. Do you know what this phrasing 448 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,680 turn it off or skip it or lower the volume, whatever excited. I 449 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,759 don't know what you're gonna say. Do you know what this analogy reminded me 450 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:36,119 of is like the overly self conscious partner who's in bed asking the other one, 451 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,240 are you there yet? No? Are you there yet? No? 452 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:42,559 And that's what it's become with these Toronto Raptors negotiations, where it's all these 453 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,279 teams rerecring like are you ready to trade these guys like no, we're We're 454 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,119 not there yet. So the praising, that's where my mind went to. 455 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,200 I don't think they they should be there. But at the same time, 456 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,519 it's like, this is how this stuff works. These guys aren't getting traded 457 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,599 in by the end of twenty twenty three, Like it's just not it's not 458 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,000 happening. It should have happened over the offseason if they were going to do 459 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:08,799 something. And just to the whole the same stuff the reporting about there's the 460 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,759 date because he could technically sign an extension before free agency if he's traded by 461 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,839 a certain date. I just don't buy into it because if he's willing to 462 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,160 sign an extension with you, he's willing to resign a free agency with you, 463 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,480 and so that doesn't put like a hard stop date on it. The 464 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,200 player who interests me the most because so many teams want him is og Because 465 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,240 if I'm the Raptors, I objectively don't trade him if I'm trying to rebuild 466 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:36,480 around Scotty Barnes. However, this operates under the guys that he wants to 467 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:38,680 be there because he has he's not a restricted free agent. He will opt 468 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,960 out. He will become an unrestricted free agent and could just leave, And 469 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,519 so you need to have a really good pulse on what he's going to do 470 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,480 if you're the Raptors, because if you decide not to trade him and you 471 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:53,720 let this guy walk for nothing, that is, you know, I think 472 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640 is the better player in a vacuum, but the Scotty Barnes fit has sort 473 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:02,240 of marginalized him a little bit. If you misread the og Ananobe situation, 474 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:06,039 it's almost worse in my mind. So if I'm the Raptors, I wouldn't 475 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:07,519 trade him, But you better be damn sure one that he wants to come 476 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,720 back, and two you better not play the game of war. WHOA, 477 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,319 We're not gonna pay you that much. The Rockets gave you a two year 478 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,400 deal with a team option. No way, no way. Yeah, there 479 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:22,119 there's more. There are more ways for Toronto to win quote unquote the Ananobe 480 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,359 situation than to lose it, because they can pay him whatever it takes. 481 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,480 They can trade him for immense value, which I like, if it's true 482 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,079 that they could have got four first and whatever last year, like they maybe 483 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,519 should have just done it. But my only caveat would be if that's the 484 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,480 Knicks and like you're looking at those Detroit and Rightington picks, but you'd sure 485 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,799 shit rather have that package of an if he picks or whatever than nothing. 486 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,839 And they just got the Van Vliet lesson of like it really can happen, 487 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,400 Like someone can come over the top with an offer you think is too high 488 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,559 and just get the guy like that, that absolutely can happen. And if 489 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:02,519 anything, all these indications of like oh Ananobe might command this in trade or 490 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:06,240 that it's like I think he's gonna be a little more sought after than Van 491 00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,480 Fleet was. And so you should really be ready as Toronto to see this 492 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,720 insane. I mean, I wouldn't even call it insane if he got just 493 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:17,480 a max short term offer or like a ridiculously big four year, like you 494 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,759 should expect that if Toronto, I wonder if they're sort of looking at it 495 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,319 as because so many teams will be interested that there might be he has to 496 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,960 be amenable to this. But some of the teams are gonna have cap space. 497 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,920 Yeah, if it's the Sixers and he's fine playing with Nick Nurse, 498 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,279 okay, sure, a good team that has cap space. But if he 499 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:34,920 wants to go to a good team, maybe they viewed as well, like 500 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240 they'll be signing trade offers on the table because there's twenty nine teams that want 501 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,839 O g Anobe and not all of them are gonna have cap space. That 502 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,720 is a risky game to play, though, so scared to get to that 503 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,200 point with him if I'm them, like, I just don't want to be 504 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,759 I don't want to have to count on the market. I'm saying, if 505 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,480 he if you're willing to pay him and he will stay, I'm telling you 506 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,160 the Raptors not to trade him. But we now have evidence that they don't 507 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,240 necessarily have a pulse on what players are gonna do. The lines of communication 508 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,920 are a little staticky and based on van Fleet getting away. Yeah, so 509 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,200 let's talk about the biggest regrets for every team in the Western Conference. As 510 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:15,599 just a brief overview of the criteria, I focused more on There are some 511 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,559 like sort of game moments, but I didn't go towards injuries, just because 512 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,359 we all regret injuries unless they're self inflicted, and there is one on this 513 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,200 that is there. I try not to focus too much on just single game 514 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,559 moments unless there's sort of these flash bold moments. It's more transactional team building 515 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,720 stuff, opportunities missed or not explored, leaning one way or the other, 516 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,160 not doing something. That's how for the most part, you approached the East 517 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,880 when we did it, That's how I approached the West. Since i'll be 518 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,880 be spearheading this, I did not consult you about the Warriors. I always 519 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,559 feel like you know why I didn't, And I did this on purpose because 520 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,759 I want I wanted to see if it would spark a discussion about whether you 521 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,519 are or disagree. But I always feel like I'm going after you like as 522 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,920 a sounding board, and then you very rarely are concerned about like, well, 523 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,720 what does Dan think here? Because you just know so much shit that's 524 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,039 like, well, why would I want Dan's opinion? What do you mean? 525 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,359 I ask you nick stuff all the time. Well, I'm saying that's 526 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,000 not an insult. I go to you more to like bounce ideas off of 527 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440 for stuff that doesn't have to do with the podcast. Then you do you're 528 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,440 more independent. I'm very much a clinger, I think, is what we're 529 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,920 getting at. Well, I mean, I don't know, I want to 530 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,680 reveal too much, but like, I definitely think in this job, it's 531 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,000 really easy to find yourself like where's the smart person? I'm gonna parrot that? 532 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,359 And I definitely have fallen into that for stretches over the years, and 533 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,839 so I really try hard to just be like, what do I think about 534 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:39,880 this? And then maybe it's also laziness because then I just like, don't 535 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,599 cross check it with people who are smarter than me. But I'm airing on 536 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,440 the side of trying to have my own thoughts on stuff more often lately it's 537 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,720 too easy. There's too much out there that you can just read and be 538 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:52,519 like, that's the correct opinion. I will absorb, I will adopt that. 539 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,480 You know, I find myself wishing we podcasts and more oftens that we 540 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,240 could do the thing where we respond to this stuff without having heard yeah other 541 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,079 noise. But it's just like we're pot We're thrown out two pots. We're 542 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,319 throw out three pots a week, only two of which we're doing together. 543 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,000 It just doesn't work out that way. So are you ready? And to 544 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,920 see whether I mess up the alphabet and like we have to skip teams. 545 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,800 So this is not Anyone who listened to this podcast knows this is a big, 546 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,639 a big lift. Yeah, so you know, we'll just see how 547 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,000 it goes. I'll try to correct any alphabetical stuff, but I you know, 548 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,159 I might just let you sink out there. If you go from like 549 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,239 D to Q or something, I'm just gonna jump around. How about I 550 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,280 just go out of I'm gonna what if I just did any order I wanted. 551 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,159 You know what I mean by that? Do it? Do it. 552 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,599 I'll just make sure you count to that seen, make sure you get fifteen 553 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,000 teams, so you gotta. I have a doc with my notes on this, 554 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,920 so I'm gonna bold and unbolts all bold the ones that I do. 555 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:45,960 This is so stupid. I'm not looking at the docks. So you're fine, 556 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,079 B I can't help you. I did, I will say very quickly 557 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,960 too. I did crowdsource some of these on teams that I struggled with. 558 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,599 I didn't always agree with what or go with what they said, but I 559 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,599 will shout out people that might have helped me or point me in the direction 560 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,679 of something I wasn't considering. This, however, is not a team that 561 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,880 I consulted on. We're gonna begin with the Dallas Mavericks just because I have 562 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,519 him queued up in the timestan doc so I alluded to this. They actually 563 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:13,440 have very few, like twenty twenty three regrets, because they had a pretty 564 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,760 good offseason I think, and like you could talk about some people like well, 565 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,159 why would they have tanked last year? So you end up with Derek 566 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:23,199 fucking Lively. That's why. Who's just perfect for this team? I think 567 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,639 it's it's not getting Grant Williams. It's giving up the twenty thirty pickswap to 568 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,719 get him. You've already benched him. He has proven not to be the 569 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,119 defensive guy that you thought he was going to be and that we all knew 570 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,920 he wasn't like he is malleable. He is switchable, he's not lockdown, 571 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,559 and he's not I still get a kick out of how it was framed. 572 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,199 They get a lockdown wing defender. It was like, no, that is 573 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,760 absolutely not what Grant Williams is. He's been moving to the bench. That's 574 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000 fine. He still played a bunch of minutes in his first game off the 575 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,440 bench. And I also recognized he was a contingency because they went after matist 576 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,239 tible first. But you've now hardcapped yourself and you've given up a twenty thirty 577 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,280 pickswap, and it's like, how much the Boston really want this guy? 578 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,239 They weren't even really playing him when it mattered most until the players said something, 579 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,760 could you've gotten him for less? And I'll just say that pick swap, 580 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,880 because you can only trade one tangible first round pick, is like a 581 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,559 pretty big deal in the realm of if you wanted to compete with offers for 582 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:21,320 people who actually address your concerns of well, can we get two way supporting 583 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,719 cast members who fit the bill of like the two three four guys? Whereas 584 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,840 yes, we have Dante exem and Derek Jones Junior right now, But Derek 585 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,760 Jones Junior. I think his offensive limitations are going to be exploited in the 586 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,599 playoffs. We've already seen a pullback there, and then we have to see 587 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,159 if Dante ExHAM continues to be this good in the playoffs. If you're looking 588 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:43,159 to get in the running for other guys, and I'll say not oji Anobe, 589 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,199 you don't have enough to get him. But if you wanted to enter 590 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,079 the Jeremy Grant sweepstakes or Kyle Kuzma sweepstakes, like do you have enough to 591 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,920 get him? Maybe you still do, But that twenty thirty pick swap would 592 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,679 have come in handy or at the very least, Hey, it's nice not 593 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,920 to have traded away control of just our entire draft through that year, which 594 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,360 is what they are gonna flirt with if they make another trade. And so 595 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,960 I don't know if you have a better one, it's not. I think 596 00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,039 some people be like, well, should they have done the Olivia max Sins 597 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:12,440 prosper pick with the Rashawn Holmes thing? And I still like that flyer long 598 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,519 term. He's not good yet. And it's like you said when you did 599 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:19,320 the East, I just picking the draft stuff is so weird at this point. 600 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,239 Yeah, I was, as you're talking, I was looking back at 601 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,599 like, so, what was the Holmes trade? Because he's just not a 602 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,400 factor for them. But it's like, I just I don't think that rises 603 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,880 too. Are you gonna if you look at the players that were taken after 604 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:36,239 o Max, you know, do you really love Julian Strawther that much? 605 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,440 Would you have played Ben Shephard? I just like, there isn't you know, 606 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:42,840 someone you know, Andre Jackson Junior is getting some minutes in Milwaukee. 607 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,280 It's not like you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean really like 608 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,519 the Lively for Wallace draft night move was one that, like at the time, 609 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,599 I think was you could justifiably criticize as like, was that really do 610 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,000 we need to do that? What isn't Wallace like maybe gonna be a It's 611 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,280 easier to see wall being like a I don't know, a starter or whatever 612 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,400 then Lively coming out of college. But I mean, you Lively is clearly 613 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:08,599 super helping. You knew John Tayckson was coming anyway, right, Yeah, 614 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,840 there's not a lot of regrets there to your point, So there no alternatives 615 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,159 from you on that one. No, No, I was gonna do the 616 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:21,719 Holmes trade, but it wasn't bad enough. So I'm going to go to 617 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,039 the LA Clippers next, in part because why is it so weird that I 618 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,840 was? It weird that I struggled with this team? And my first inclination 619 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,039 was to say that they should have pulled off the James Harden trade sooner, 620 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,360 because just look at how much they're rolling, and it would have given them 621 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,840 more time together. But I was also wondering if by playing it the way 622 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,119 they did, did they get him at a lower cost, Like if they 623 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,239 had traded for him over the offseason, let's say, would it have cost 624 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,559 them Terrence Man? And then I'm also looking at as well, because they've 625 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,719 gotten like Marcus Moore Senior off this roster sooner, And then I'm like, 626 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,760 okay, yeah, that would have been better. Maybe if you go back 627 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,039 to last season and say, well, should you should have pulled the ripcord 628 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,440 on Marcus Moore Senior minutes sooner? What does that team look like? Perhaps 629 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,519 that's worthwhile. But if you would have gotten rid of Marcus Moore Senior sooner, 630 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,480 would that have made the salary matching for James Harden even more difficult? 631 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,880 So I'm going to settle on this and I'm curious what you think. I 632 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,079 think the right answer might be they should have distanced themselves from the Marcus More 633 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,880 senior minutes last season. More, I just don't know how did that impact 634 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,239 the outcome of their year when you look at what ended up happening with the 635 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,119 Paul George injury like in the playoffs, then eventually Kawhi I'm settling on do 636 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,840 you think that, And we still have a couple of days. Should they 637 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,400 have signed one of these dudes to an extension already, because could you have 638 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:42,880 gotten them, in theory on more favorable terms, then you would get them 639 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,039 now because of how well the Clippers are doing and of how well Kawhi Leonard 640 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,480 specifically has played. I don't even know if that's the right answer, just 641 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,360 because now Kawhi Leonard is injured. He's missed the past three games as we 642 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,719 record this, and so some of those concerns are creeping up again. I 643 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,639 just wonder if by not extending them before you got James Harden, if you 644 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,320 have now locked yourself into well, these guys are all gonna get maxes, 645 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,800 They're all gonna have player options on the back end of them. Could you 646 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,360 have gotten some injury protection, some just more favorable returns. I'm just guessing 647 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,119 here because my assumption would be if you could have gotten more favorable returns, 648 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,480 maybe you would have just extended them. So I'm just going to settle on 649 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:24,960 that, and if nothing else, I think you could just argue now you 650 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,079 would have at least the fact that you have the three best free agents of 651 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,880 the twenty twenty four class at hitting the open market is pretty problematic just in 652 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,400 theory, and yeah, I want to be there, so I get it. 653 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,639 So I'm just I'm grasping its straws, and I'm wondering if there's just 654 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:45,920 like a mega valid alternative that I missed. No, I think I think 655 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,360 the only way you would go with the should could should? They? Could? 656 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,480 They have extended Georgia Leonard because it seemed like and maybe still was the 657 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:58,519 right decision not to if you could have got like a like I mean, 658 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,159 one plus one, I feel like would have been and just a non starter 659 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,280 from the players perspective, But like two plus one, maybe you could have 660 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,920 done and just limited some of your downside risk down the road a little bit. 661 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,320 But I don't think those guys, either of them, would have taken 662 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,199 anything less than just it's Max or I'm walking and I'll be the best free 663 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,199 agent in the class. So like, there wasn't a lot of incentive or 664 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,960 opportunity, even with their injury histories, to get them at like a quote 665 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,360 unquote discount. I don't think. I think the other thing you could argue 666 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,599 that is because in theory the extensions would have been shorter just because the year 667 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,199 they have left on their like their contract, is that would there have been 668 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,840 benefit to now we'll know if they opt out and you just got to give 669 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,480 them like the full four years. I just don't know. It's hard for 670 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,599 me to imagine. I don't think not would could both of them sign for 671 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:49,360 five or they? Wow, they could. He'll be thirty three, so 672 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,360 he won't be that won't take him through his age thirty eight season. And 673 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,880 I think Paul George is a little bit older, so maybe that's the one 674 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,599 that's Yeah, he'll be thirty four in May, so that's the one that 675 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,079 could bump up against the the because they moved into the age thirty eight rule, 676 00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:04,119 right, I'll double check. Yeah, I mean, you can't give 677 00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,320 either of these guys a five year deal, even if age thirty eight rule, 678 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,000 like notwithstanding, you just can't. You can't do that. I don't 679 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480 think. I don't think. So. It says that they turned thirty eight 680 00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,239 during the contract, so they would have been protected even with the okay, 681 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,800 so they could. It's but still like you could have been theory like shaved 682 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,360 one year of risk off of it. Maybe. Uh, it's tough. 683 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,280 It's weirdly tough. Like you said, you've had two teams now, Dallas 684 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,079 and LA where it's like mostly good, good job guys, not a lot 685 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,000 of Houston. It is sort of just both. The other thing you could 686 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,719 do is just both seasons. I would have to look at when Terrence Man 687 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,480 became like a staple in the starting lineup last year, was like a why 688 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,599 did it take so long to get to to Terrence Man starting here? But 689 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,239 he started in November of this year and that was because he was injured to 690 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,840 start the year. So this would be dating back to to last year and 691 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,559 his first game that or when he became like a starting lineup staple last year 692 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,760 was yeah, I mean it was later than it should have been, but 693 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,519 it was by the end of No, he wasn't. He didn't even it 694 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,079 was like, no, it was January, so that wouldn't even have worked. 695 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,400 I mean, maybe relying on Terrence man More could be another one though, 696 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,679 who was the Bones Highland Trade. They didn't go up anything to get 697 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,960 him, did they. It was like a second or something. Oh yeah, 698 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,360 I thought that was a fine regret. You do that every time, 699 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,960 even if Bones doesn't amount to anything, it was worth it. Another team 700 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,599 that I struggled with because it's just I feel like there's a ton of options 701 00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,960 here, but you need to back up each and every one, and then 702 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,760 there's always the caveat. We'll look at what their top six are if they're 703 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,199 healthy. The fact of matter is they're just not healthy enough. And I 704 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,480 don't think that they have the Bigger thing for me is I don't think this 705 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:43,039 team has chosen in identity, and that's the New Orleans Pelicans. And in 706 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,639 the sense of I think you should have just this is so vague. I 707 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,159 ended up saying you need to have leaned into offense more. And I'm not 708 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,480 saying they should have predicted that Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram would be closer to 709 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,840 I mean, is this spicy? Are they closer to top fifty? Guys 710 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,880 than top twenty guys right now. I mean, if you're pricing in there 711 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,079 like health track records me, I don't know. I think you'd say both 712 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:12,960 of them are closer to like because if you're talking top fifty, they're right 713 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,039 in the middle. I don't know. Maybe that's top and out. The 714 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,599 fact the matter is is both of them are closer to top thirty than either 715 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,440 one of them are closer to top fifteen, right yeah, and you need 716 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:25,159 that guy in the absence of having that, I'm not saying you should have 717 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,960 moved Zion or Bi. And it gets into it that it gets into so 718 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,039 difficult. You like a lot of the personnel on this roster, but why 719 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:37,440 weren't you more aggressive this offseason and going after the space creator upfront with Zion? 720 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,119 I'm not even talking about just a shooter, but like a pancake e 721 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,440 screen center to help you, excuse me, create space and who also protect 722 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,079 the rim or if you weren't going to go that route, could you actually 723 00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,320 get I'll say, as a floor stretching big where they're gonna take more than 724 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,679 like three attempts per one hundred possessions or be more available than Larry NaNs Junior. 725 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,639 Could you have The other thing is could you been more regressively saw it? 726 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,400 Yeah, we talk about the three point shooting volume. Where do you 727 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,079 want that to come from the lineup? Who are they replacing? It would 728 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:08,119 have needed to have been higher end. That's kind of what I'm getting at, 729 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,920 and I'll touch on that again very quickly there. I say, should 730 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,119 you have then invested more like an actual league guard just because of the way 731 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,440 that you've changed the way that you've used Zion at points where it feels like 732 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,119 because it doesn't seem like you trust him as much to run the show. 733 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:25,719 This is all anecdotal. Something's just off with this team. And I will 734 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,920 say Willie Green seems like he gets a little too cute with some of his 735 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,760 lineups where it looks like he's trying to prioritize either defensive effectiveness or versatility, 736 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,079 and it's just better offense is going to be the key here. And we 737 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,480 had someone a discord I think it was Rome eighty one to eighty site that 738 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,239 they've lost a lot of close games. That's going to be part of it. 739 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,280 I know, shchimid Dua from the end the no newsletters talked about this 740 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,880 as well, like them struggling in close games. They're sixteenth in points score 741 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,159 per possession, even factoring in some of the injury stuff they've dealt with this 742 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,440 year. The talent on this roster, like you should be better than that, 743 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,519 and so you need to lean into it one way or another. And 744 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,199 I do think a lot of that probably had to happen outside of the team, 745 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,320 But there's probably also things that you could do with the current roster that 746 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,119 would more so jibe with leaning into offense. Yeah, I think I agree 747 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,840 with you. Did you think at all about the I don't know how close 748 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,119 it ever was, but the Zion or Ingram for the number three pick in 749 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:22,960 Portland, Like, did you ever do you consider that way? And maybe 750 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,519 that wasn't like legit enough. I don't know if it was legit because Portland 751 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,320 was more prepared to draft Scoot than to keep Damian Lillard, and so it's 752 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,039 like, were they what would be the point of taking on Zion at that 753 00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,800 point? Like if you were gonna, if you were that high on Scoot 754 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,639 that you would risk your relationship with Damian Lillard getting Zion for him, Just 755 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,039 like I just don't think it was ever realistic. Yeah, probably not. 756 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,360 Probably not all right? I got nothing to add there. Why don't we 757 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,880 go to Portland? Speaking of that? So I think I'm gonna land on, 758 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:57,800 I don't think I think I'm gonna land on. This is what I 759 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,719 land on because I penzled it in though then Damian Lillard ever ended just because 760 00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,079 I think you could argue the Blazers are gonna be better off long term for 761 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,679 going through this rebuild, but they won didn't really let it begin on their 762 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,199 own terms, even though they drafted Scoot and kept that pick up. And 763 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,960 more to the point is just that it was just such bad blood with the 764 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,719 way it unfolded, because you either made these promises behind the scenes to him 765 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,480 and then went back on them, so you never should have made those promises 766 00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,440 in the first place, or Damian Lillard lied about them. But the fact 767 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,239 that this played out in the media as publicly as it did with the one 768 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,360 team trade request, they had to jump through hoops kind of to get him 769 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,280 to approve the Bucks or the Nets. At one point he ends up in 770 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:45,159 Milwaukee. There's just something too. Damian Lillard was so big, important to 771 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,079 that franchise, to that community, did so many great things for the Blazers, 772 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,480 just for it to leave on such a sour note amid this, let's 773 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,079 say, allegations of lies and unfulfilled promises. You should have been more straight 774 00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,440 up with him, or you should have just made this call more directly, 775 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,639 because we know it was for a fact, they did not at the very 776 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,440 least make the call to move him until just after last year, after this 777 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,159 Goot Henderson pick, it was well, what were you? What did you 778 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:15,000 think was gonna happen here? It felt like this is where I land on 779 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,119 it is. It felt like to me they wanted him to be the one 780 00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,480 to initiate a breakup, which I just think was stupid and regrettable. Yeah, 781 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,320 I didn't need to go that way. I think I think it definitely 782 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,400 could have been maybe if there had been just some more frank conversations about like, 783 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,920 here's what we want to do. You're obviously not on board with that, 784 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:36,239 right, Like, can we as far as a rebuild? Can we 785 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,760 just just agree on a course of action here? And it never felt like 786 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,079 that happened, or at least if it did happen, it didn't seem like 787 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,039 the Blazers were consistent about like adhering to that because like the other thing, 788 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:51,360 I thought that nothing rises to the level of kind of I mean, the 789 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,159 Blazers ended up doing well, like in the Litler trade, but the optics 790 00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:59,079 were bad. But like the Jeremy Grant contract, I feel like, is 791 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,920 something worth mention. It's not on the level of like you kind of like 792 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,679 let the franchise icon leave on, like not the best terms, Like that's 793 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,000 a real regrettable thing. Jeremy Grant is like you can trade it. You 794 00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:15,280 still get first round value for Jeremy Grant. It just felt and this goes 795 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,960 beyond just the Lizard thing. It felt very much the writing was on the 796 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,760 wall that you needed to enter this rebuild, and yet you still entered it 797 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,280 on the fly, off the cuff, like not by your own design. 798 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,159 Necessarily, you probably should have moved on, not moving on from Chauncey Billups 799 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,159 probably like if you're gonna go, I mean I don't I just like if 800 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,199 you might as well have done it, if you're going to start the rebuild, 801 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,880 that's fair that I mean, that might be something just a monitor for 802 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,719 this season because you're still playing so many vets at this point. Are guys 803 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,760 that maybe don't factor into the long term. Uh, next team, let's 804 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,320 go to Let's go to the Thunder. So I did consult our friends at 805 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,199 the uncontested for this, and I appreciate their input and I am not going 806 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,920 to accept it and I'm going to go my own route. But they suggested 807 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,679 one. I just don't think the one of the ones. I just don't 808 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,400 think it was a big deal enough. They said they should have traded Poku 809 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,400 and Trey Mann by now to capitalize on their value. I think, at 810 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,119 worse you missed out on like maybe we got like two seconds and one of 811 00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:14,039 them's protected. So I just can't get on board with that as being a 812 00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,440 big regret, and it speaks to I think the team doesn't have a ton 813 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,119 of options for regret. The other one they gave me is the way that 814 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:24,639 they played in the playing game versus the Timberwolves last year. That's certainly up 815 00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,840 there. I just think, like, oh, okay, Josh Getty playing 816 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,880 like dog shit in that game was just kind of predictable and maybe sort of 817 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,039 a glimpse into what is going to happen in playoff games with him, and 818 00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,880 I think it sort of dilutes how well the Timberwolves were able to play, 819 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,480 and I know Antiy Edwards didn't have like the greatest game there, but Rudy 820 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,400 Gobert was kind of a monster, so I didn't want to go that route. 821 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,199 I also the Josh Getty stuff, the allegations of him having an improper 822 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,400 relationship with underage female, that is awful. I don't know what the Thunders 823 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,000 could have done to prevent it that they apparently knew about it beforehand. Do 824 00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,679 they regret how they handled it? I don't think we have an information for 825 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,679 me to go there, which is why I didn't pick it. I also 826 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:08,159 think the whole move on from Josh Diddy, you couldn't reasonably do that after 827 00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:12,800 the season he had left year just looking at on the court without knowing what 828 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,480 you have in chet and just like understanding his team more now his values at 829 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,360 an Adar, and so it's can you be mad at them for not moving 830 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,039 him? I'm gonna settle on. It's pretty basic and we've talked about it. 831 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,960 Maybe you should have had more faith though in this court to say, 832 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,760 hey, let's go upgrade like the shooting with a top A player or the 833 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,079 hefton bounce up front, because we're such a bad rebounding team. You had 834 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,760 the cap space to do that, you had the assets to go do that. 835 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,960 I'm not saying it needed to be this nuclear trade and maybe now you've 836 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,840 set yourself up to go get Larry Market in this trade deadline spoiler alert, 837 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,039 No they haven't, because the thunder just don't do that. And so I'm 838 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,960 saying their biggest regret should be not trusting what they had off of last year's 839 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,719 sample size more and that I'm not saying it need to be someone who cracked 840 00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,760 their starting lineup, but maybe someone who you could have subbed in for either 841 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,360 Lou Dort or Josh Giddy who opens up the half court with his three point 842 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,079 volume and is maybe a little bit better off defensively then Isaiah Joe or just 843 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,840 is going to give you more rebounding next to Chet like some hefter bounds up 844 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,199 front. It's a tiny regret, but I think the level at which they're 845 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,760 playing at right now, where we've they're contending for a top two seed in 846 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,400 the West, and the fact that they've lost. They did just beat the 847 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,400 Timberwolves, but they've lost to a bunch of or a handful of really good 848 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,960 West teams, we have to start talking about them on the level of nitpicking, 849 00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,719 and this would fall under the context of nitpicking. So shout out to 850 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,440 the un contested pod. You guys are great. I did not heed your 851 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,920 advice. I mean they nit picked harder than you, which is just another 852 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,920 testament to like this position this franchise is in. There's not a lot excuse 853 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,079 me having choking on my thunder thoughts were get emotional. Look about we talk 854 00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,760 about emery. I just you know, I can't hold it together. I 855 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,159 think I would have I think you're right. I would just have framed it, 856 00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,679 like maybe more broadly of this, the idea that like you're kinda have 857 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,280 to do something with all these picks eventually, because it's just by the time 858 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,960 they come rolling around, like they'll actually have quantifiable value, like oh, 859 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,760 this pick's going to be twenty ninth or whatever. Like that's just not the 860 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,360 same in terms of a trade asset as one that has all this unknown, 861 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,039 you know, value attached to it. So whether that's for market and whether 862 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,840 that's to have what you said I think is right, it's just you gotta 863 00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,760 I think these picks just can't hang around forever. I think now, now, 864 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,679 clearly, as you're you're contending for the best, being the best team 865 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,519 in the West, is the time to like cash them in, uh or 866 00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:35,960 even in the off season, even though would have been harder to know for 867 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,360 sure how good you're going to be, then it could have been like a 868 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,760 small cash in. And I don't have the name, but like they should 869 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,679 have. I mean, we go look at their cap space, like this 870 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,239 is a team where it's okay, like PJ. Washington might have helped them 871 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,519 on the glass and look at what he ended up signing for in Charlotte. 872 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,920 Could you have made a different trade where okay, it's not you're not getting 873 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,840 compensated for taking on this money, but you're giving up a small asset to 874 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,400 then take on someone who's gonna give you just some heft and bounce up front. 875 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,760 And it's for me to say that without naming that player, but there 876 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,599 probably would have just been guys who were they Look, I'll tell you this 877 00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,199 right now, I wouldn't have mind if they just took on Clin Capella's money. 878 00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,599 The Hawks were trying to dump him, that would have been something that 879 00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:14,760 they could have done. So I'm not saying that specific players why they should 880 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,159 regret it. After watching Grant Williams this year, I liked him and Ocasey 881 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:19,800 a little bit, and now I'm like, yeah, like they didn't really 882 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,639 miss out on too much there. So yeah, uh, next team, 883 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:30,320 the Utah Jazz. This is with the caveat that I was a pretty big 884 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,840 fan, or at least I supported this trade. They have to regret using 885 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,280 their flexibility on John Collins, and I'm gonna say they have to because Andy 886 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,800 Larson reported of the Salt Lake Tribune that they do regret doing it, that 887 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,800 they've been frustrated with him at both end of the floor and are looking to 888 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,280 move him. I think when you look at this roster now, it always 889 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,960 set the tone for how it would be a little confusing with the front line 890 00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,679 with John Collins there, but it felt like it would be in a good 891 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480 way. And now I'm kind of at the point where it's like there might 892 00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:00,440 have really been something to John Collins being on steroids and no longer being on 893 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,079 steroids, and now he's not good any more type logic thing. He well, 894 00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,400 he got suspended. I don't know what the actual substance was. We 895 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,360 had that twenty five games suspend for the band. But however, I do 896 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,039 think having him there has now capped the development reps for Taylor Hendrix and more 897 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,199 to my point here and this this doesn't have to be this could be actually 898 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,960 exclusive of the John Collins trade. You should have gotten a veteran for general 899 00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,119 in here, and that should have been the money that you kind of look 900 00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:30,400 to. I'm not saying it needed to be your floor general of the future, 901 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,239 but like you certainly could have. I mean you did draft Bryce. 902 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,239 Sense about like could you have like tried to use those picks and moved up 903 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,239 and you've gotten in on the case and willd and sweep Steaks or even like 904 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,519 you know, I mean, Kobe Buffins injured right now, So that's just 905 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,199 not a great example at the moment. Should you have been like, oh, 906 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,079 can we move up to get like Anthony Black? Is he even that 907 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,039 type of type of player? I love Taylor Hendrix, So I don't think, 908 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,079 like that's not what my issue is. But I think it comes back 909 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:58,000 to the John Collins trade, where either you could have used that flexibility in 910 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,159 a trade to get someone like a even even if you rolled it over into 911 00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:05,039 this season, like it's gonna be a lot harder to use John Collins's money 912 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,599 to go out and get a point guard who becomes available. Then it would 913 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,880 have been to just absorb them into cap space. Would there have been that 914 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,199 trade available for you over the offseason or could you have just spent that money. 915 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,360 Look, this could have been they weren't gonna max him out. So 916 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,800 Fred Vanvleet's a bad example, but they should have been a team that was 917 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,599 more. That's someone who's perfect where they don't. They're a veteran, they 918 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,159 don't infringe upon what you're trying to do with the youngsters. And I love 919 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,400 Keyante George. I think it's good he's getting these reps. He's also not 920 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,920 a good NBA player right now for what he's being asked to do, and 921 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,800 that's fine. I think that's the regret, and it's I think it's a 922 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,119 minimal regret based on where they're at with their rebuild. I am curious. 923 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,280 I think some people might have gone here that they didn't lean into the tank 924 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,079 sooner last year, and it was they did it early because the trade deadline 925 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,920 is so early. But he kind of missed your chance on Wemby and now 926 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,400 you are in this weird space for your rebuild, in which well, if 927 00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,480 the guy isn't marketing in Walker Kessler or Keante George as you're guiding force, 928 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:08,280 well how the fuck are you getting this guy? So my overriding thought was 929 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,239 exactly that, like you had a chance at at this. Last year was 930 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,039 the year two tank if ever there was gonna be one. But like part 931 00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:21,760 of the problem is that, like starting in twenty twenty two they were too 932 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,679 good. So like I'm out there because if all we did last year was 933 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:27,000 talking about how it's like it's too late. They bank too many wins, 934 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,960 They're not gonna get up to the lottery odds they need. So that's the 935 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,639 only reason I wouldn't go with that, because like, if you're thinking biggest 936 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:37,360 possible picture, it's one hundred percent that that they did not position themselves to 937 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,760 get weama, Like that's that is it? Because the other stuff that the 938 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,840 point guard was the other one I thought of just we both like George, 939 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,039 but yeah, someone to just be an actual point guard that's not Jordan Clark, 940 00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,519 Center, Horton Tucker or Chris Dunn or like you could have gotten in 941 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,000 on the Tius Joan sweepstakes. All right, you could just I don't know, 942 00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,679 beat the market on trade Jones like he was a free agent. Go 943 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,199 go get go. Yeah, one of the Joneses that either one of them 944 00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:05,360 would have been a perfectly capable, you know, stop gap guy. That's 945 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,079 just like what they are. But yeah, so the tanking one is the 946 00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,800 most intriguing one. But I feel like it falls a little bit out. 947 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,519 I mean, although you could have just tanked really hard after January first last 948 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,840 year, that might be it did, that might be very first. Yeah, 949 00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,639 we all missed on. I do think there was some internal misevaluation though, 950 00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:27,400 because we all assume that they were gonna suck from day one last year, 951 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,639 and I think they ended up having No one expected what Larry Mark did 952 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:36,480 for starters that was a big one, or because Kesler usually got off to 953 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,559 a heart hot start Walker Kestler was good right away. They did not understand 954 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,039 how good they were going to be in me in term, clearly not And 955 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,760 I like I had the feeling all year, or at least early on that 956 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,519 like they didn't want this to be happening. Like, not only did they 957 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,880 not expect it, I think probably because they all had to. They they 958 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,079 saw the Showcase games in Vegas, where we Minyamo was like, Okay, 959 00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:59,159 well this is the guy, Like I'm sure they they were like such a 960 00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:05,840 mixed emotion, all bag. Yeah, I'm not. I love Keante George, 961 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,360 but I don't think he's gonna be better than Scoot No, no, 962 00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:10,719 yeah, I mean, if we're really gonna go a little bit outside the 963 00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:14,360 twenty three thing, it might have to be that one. For me. 964 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,920 I just didn't want to go too far outside twenty three. And the other 965 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,000 one that you could say is like could we get some actual wings on this 966 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:22,840 roster? But yeah, I'm gonna move on to the Spurs just so that 967 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,960 I can mention this. I almost picked it for one of them. I 968 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,960 still think Utah and or San Antonio should be a shame that they didn't force 969 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,599 the Lakers to pay more for Austin Reeves. Yeah, they should have been 970 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:35,559 some type of poison pill. They are the teams that should have done it, 971 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880 but I didn't want to. I don't know if that was a missed 972 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,039 opportunity. Uh maybe more so for the Spurs, who could use some Just 973 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,519 this, I don't really like this word anymore has become such a buzzword in 974 00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:49,800 cliche, but connectivity on the offensive end. However, Oh, go ahead, 975 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,880 you're gonna say Reefs could just be your point guard, like if you're 976 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,440 not, Like just if he's on the spurs, I think you put the 977 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,079 ball in his hands and everything has gone would have gone better than it has 978 00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,920 this year. I picked, and this is what I'm gonna end up picking. 979 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,840 But I'm melding it with I consulted Noah mcgaro, George of the Vican 980 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,519 Roll. Go check out his substack there does great work. I asked him 981 01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:12,519 whether I was being too basic with this by just saying, because we've talked 982 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,920 about it so much, where it's your biggest regret to be either Trey Jones 983 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:19,199 did not start this season as a starter and still isn't starting, or you 984 01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,639 should have went and gotten another veteran floor general who could start to optimize wehm 985 01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:27,159 ben Yama. The on off split still with wem ben Yama's efficiency compared to 986 01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:30,320 Trey Jones is so like, it doesn't need to be outside the organization, 987 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,400 just more Wemby and Trey Jones. It should be your biggest regret. What 988 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:37,079 he said was interesting, and so I will tack it onto this and it 989 01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:42,280 was not something I thought of. You should have considered using some of your 990 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:46,760 draft equity, that Charlotte pick, that Raptors pick to have. Could you 991 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,079 have gotten a caseon Wallace in the draft. Could you have gone after a 992 01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:53,039 Kyante George? Could you've done something like that? So if you weren't gonna 993 01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:57,559 go the oh, we don't want a veteran floor general in here, well, 994 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,280 then get a young fucking point guard in here that's not Jeremy Sohan. 995 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,840 And I understand that there's value in experimenting, and they're still doing it. 996 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,480 They change their starting lineup again and trade Joe still isn't in it. Yeah, 997 01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:12,199 but at some point it just feels counterintuitive. They're at that point, 998 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:19,199 and so maybe the overarching regret is not catering more towards Wemby's offensive optimization and 999 01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:23,559 focusing more on experimentation and self discovery, which you know, I'm a pretty 1000 01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:28,039 big fan of teams going through the self discovery process. We've now been at 1001 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,000 the point with the Spurs where no buddies, it's not to use the word 1002 01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:36,599 buddies, it's not working. Yeah, I think I don't know. The 1003 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,239 more you think about the Spurs and what they're doing. It almost seems like 1004 01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:45,960 they're like trying a little too hard to innovate or just like, yeah, 1005 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,360 we've got this guy that no one's ever seen before. We might as well 1006 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,960 see if you don't actually need a point guard, right, we might as 1007 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,920 well just see if having wem Binyama means you can just totally think outside the 1008 01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,599 box as far as how you put a roster together and how you put a 1009 01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:04,239 lineup on the floor, which, like, I'm never gonna I'm never gonna 1010 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,639 hate that, just because eventually we will see, like, hey, remember 1011 01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:09,719 when teams used to have point guards. We'll like be talking that way at 1012 01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:14,719 some point. But so, like the Spurs kind of tinkering with that is 1013 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,239 interesting to me. But yeah, it's the Reeves thing because Reeves would sort 1014 01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:20,960 of have allowed you to have it both ways. He's not really a point 1015 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,480 guard, but so you want to settle on them not poison pilling Reeves. 1016 01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,599 Well, it's kind of every it's all the things you're talking about, because 1017 01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,480 it does address the point guard thing. It allows them to be a little 1018 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,960 weird and a little creative with their you know, their starting and closing lineup 1019 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,360 if they want to because he's not a Trey Jones type. He's not just 1020 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,320 a game manager. He could be different than that. So maybe I guess 1021 01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:44,039 it's all kind of one thing. It's all it's the point guard thing, 1022 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,920 it's the poison pill thing, it's it's the not using your draft capital to 1023 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,360 go get somebody. I guess it's all kind of related. I still think, 1024 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,760 and I think I mentioned this more from the NBA podcast. One of 1025 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,559 my favorite fake trade proposals would be, does that Raptors pick get you a 1026 01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:01,480 manual quickly over the offseason to get it now? I know you still have 1027 01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:04,719 to the fact you have to pay him, turn around and pay him, 1028 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,400 I think makes it tough. But with the Knicks having Dante DiVincenzo, I 1029 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,840 don't know it. Is it interesting? Yeah? Yeah, I'm still like, 1030 01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,719 I don't mean to harp on this. I pride myself on really having 1031 01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:19,599 a pulse on what all thirty teams would like on every situation we talk about. 1032 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,079 I hate my Pelicans one still, I just have like, for a 1033 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,239 team that I'm so high on, I feel like I have a lack of 1034 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:30,000 feel for like what they should or could be doing because everything you list with 1035 01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:32,519 them just has like this ripple effect of well yeah, but like you know, 1036 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:37,199 there's like too many counter caveats. That's just the nature of that roster. 1037 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,639 I feel like where it's like they got a bunch of one way guys 1038 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,880 that you can throw out in certain combinations and it looks incredible sometimes and other 1039 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,079 times it makes no sense. They got two stars that don't fit together, 1040 01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:51,760 but they're both individually very good and also sometimes not a bit like it's just 1041 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,800 the whole team is difficult to sort of wrap your head around. I don't 1042 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,800 think you're alone, is what I'm saying on that one. You know what 1043 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,239 team is not so difficult to wrap your head around, The Los Angeles Lakers, 1044 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,679 Like, we're gonna just we just went through the two teams that we 1045 01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:05,760 think should have poisoned pilled Austin Reeves, and let's focus on the team that 1046 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,480 actually has Austin Reeves. So I thought I gave this as soon as the 1047 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,679 news came out about Gay Vince at missing time, do they regret, like 1048 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,760 you're hard capping yourself to get a Gabe Vincent and now you don't have him. 1049 01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:21,039 I still think I'm gonna frame it this way. I don't want to 1050 01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:26,400 focus on they should have traded Russell Westbrook sooner because we're talking about four weeks. 1051 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,519 Is that are those four weeks in twenty twenty three? Because that spills 1052 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:31,960 into we just talked about with the Jazz, That spills into like they never 1053 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000 should have made the trade in the first place. They should have moved off 1054 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:36,719 all of them in the offseason. So if you want to pick that, 1055 01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:41,719 that's fine. I will roll into this why and I will also preface it 1056 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,559 with this, I was wrong because I was so high on Dangelo Russell at 1057 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,679 the time. Why was Mike Conley not in LA after the Like why did 1058 01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,320 we need the Timberwolves to get involved here like Utah had in the league easily? 1059 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,119 Utah had Mike Conley? Like, like, why why did do we 1060 01:04:57,159 --> 01:04:59,360 need the Wolves? Did we need the Wolves to be a part of this? 1061 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,760 I get the probably didn't want to kill Alexander Walker, but why was 1062 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,400 you? I think you did it because you prioritized Dangeler Russell would be the 1063 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,719 answer, right, it has to be, which is a mistake I think 1064 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,559 pretty clearly. Unless well, they'll see what they get for him because they 1065 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,880 signed him to trade him, So maybe maybe that changes but we're talking about 1066 01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,039 there, but Mike Comedy would be And I did consult friend of the Podge 1067 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:27,239 Barry Davis producing a bunch of good podcasts right now and love him. Uh, 1068 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,559 I just like it is the one, Like I keep thinking about it. 1069 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,480 I feel like I'm over similphying. But I went back. I looked 1070 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,199 at the transactional, like how the money work. Folding Mike Commy into the 1071 01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:40,280 Lakers trade would have been so easy. It would been so easy just to 1072 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,119 exto communicate the Wolves from the entire negotiations. And where would they be now? 1073 01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:49,000 Because Colmley has mattered so much for them? Like talk about he is? 1074 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,840 Is it a stretch to say he is their third most important player? 1075 01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:58,519 He's the maybe like I think he's They don't have a replacement for him. 1076 01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,760 I don't know if that meant how what that says about your questions specifically, 1077 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,239 But I think about that all the time of like we you know, the 1078 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,280 Wolves are like our are one of our no Notes teams in the West or 1079 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,320 one of mine. They've kind of become that, except for if Conley goes 1080 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,079 down, then you're just like, I don't know, I guess our playmaking 1081 01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,480 is coming from Edwards and like Kyle Anderson plays more now, like that's that's 1082 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,360 what we're doing. Jordan McLaughlin's gonna get minutes, like that's yeah. Conley's 1083 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,400 been huge and would have been phenomenal for the Lakers better than Russell, I 1084 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,719 think yeah, and I think he would have provided it's I mean, even 1085 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,880 the the Conley know Anthony Edwards units have been pretty bad this year. I 1086 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,000 just Commy and Anthony Davis together without Lebron feels like it probably would have worked 1087 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,800 out pretty well. The other thing you can focus on is why do they 1088 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,480 still just not bring in shooting in general with this role? Even Gaye Vincent 1089 01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:45,840 is like that was your Marque edition and he's not the most efficient shooter. 1090 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,719 He will take them, so there's value in that. Tory and Prince though 1091 01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:53,800 that signing worked out well, but it's just like we're taking flyers on cam 1092 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,320 Reddish and like we're going with Jackson Hayes, who's actually played some for them, 1093 01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,960 but like, why can't we just and Christian Wood was supposed to be 1094 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:03,079 floor spacer but that hasn't worked out. I think the comedy one is correct, 1095 01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:06,159 and if it's not him, it just has to be with like January 1096 01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:12,199 one, Russell Westbrook should not have been I mean, yeah, letting Beasley 1097 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,360 go. I think that's another one, like because if you're hard up for 1098 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,199 shooting, I wonder what that's a good one, because would he have stayed 1099 01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:23,280 like for a lot, like I mean, like the Bucks just picked them 1100 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,920 up on the minimums, like you kept them on the same thing. You 1101 01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:29,639 never know, like and he's cooled off, but like you never know if 1102 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:31,800 he would have been the same on this team versus the Bucks. Like he's 1103 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,119 been up and down, and there's a reason Beasley's bounced around quite a bit. 1104 01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:38,719 He's not He's one of those guys that's younger than you think too. 1105 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:42,159 But yeah, I think it has to be. I didn't even think about 1106 01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:45,840 the Conley thing as like as a road not taken regret. That's a that's 1107 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,400 a great one. Let's go to the Minnesota Timberwolf since we spent part of 1108 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,400 the Lakers section talking about them, so there, I think if you because 1109 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,320 we call them our no notes teams, I now have more notes on them 1110 01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,039 where I'm just their offense concerns me as you get into playoff settings, and 1111 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,960 so I'm like, they really should have done more to like get a backup 1112 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,920 point guard and get someone who can increase their three point volume. But I 1113 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:12,159 think I'm gonna that is just like stuff they could still address and they were 1114 01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:14,800 working with such thin margins. If they could have figured out a way to 1115 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,600 keep Torri and Prints on the roster, how much different do we feel about 1116 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,079 this team right now? We're pretty high on them at the moment. I 1117 01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:23,239 ended up going and I said, I didn't do this for the most part, 1118 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,399 Uh, Jade McDaniels losing a battle with the Wall in the regular season 1119 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,439 finale, just because look at like they really pushed the Nuggets. It was 1120 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,600 a brief first round series, Like do we learn even more about the Wolves, 1121 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,680 like and you just get a more of a sample with your best players, 1122 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,399 just having you know their top five, and so I don't know what 1123 01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,840 this. I still don't think they would have beaten the Nuggets, but like 1124 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,439 that series was really competitive, like Jade McDaniel's just having a season done. 1125 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:54,359 I've also wondered did they potentially save themselves some money because of the McDaniel's injury, 1126 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,680 Like he got his extension, but it wasn't near the max, and 1127 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,319 so if he would have played, does he become a candidate? I just 1128 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,279 think based off what they did to the Thunder while Anthony Edwards wasn't playing that 1129 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:09,560 well in the playing game, and just knowing what Jade McDaniels can do and 1130 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,640 what they did to the Nuggets, just imagine if he was available for that 1131 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,520 series. And so I feel like, do you think it's okay to go 1132 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,119 with that regret knowing that Jade McDaniels punched a wall and that's how his season 1133 01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:23,319 ended. I mean, it's like if you're not gonna pay, it's such 1134 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:29,000 a such a clearly regrettable, like it's the perfect kind of regrettable situation because 1135 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,880 it was like it was totally uncalled for and like just didn't need to happen 1136 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,359 like something, you know, it was all we didn't trade for this. 1137 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:40,640 Why it's like it was it was not like oh, end of the game 1138 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,119 he got ejected. It was because he picked up his second found. It 1139 01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,960 was like the first quarter, I believe, And so it's just like, 1140 01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:49,920 what a fucking stupid thing, I will say, uh, And and you 1141 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:56,720 know, the Thunder beat them soundly and SGA got his but watching that game, 1142 01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,039 Wolf's Thunder this is last night for us, but whenever this is recording, 1143 01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:08,439 it was on Tuesday, I watching McDaniels guard SGA. I was the 1144 01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,159 thought that enter in my head was like, I'm not sure there's anyone that 1145 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:17,239 would be like, would make you less comfortable to be guarded by the McDaniels, 1146 01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:21,239 because like it's SGA and like he's kind of sticking with them about as 1147 01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:25,880 well as a human being can and is just like bothering him and reaching in. 1148 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,359 His feet are so quick for how long he is, and it's just 1149 01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:31,880 like, yeah, so to circle back, like maybe that broken hand really 1150 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,399 did like do the Wolves a favor ultimately, because just why if he had 1151 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,960 done that like on a playoff stage and everybody had seen him just looking like 1152 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,960 just a world beater defensively, like maybe he costs more. I don't know, 1153 01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,279 that's all to say. He just looked like vicious defensively for stretches against 1154 01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:53,840 probably the best guard in the league right now. Yeah, so you have 1155 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,399 any alternatives for them? Is it just really the backup point guard or a 1156 01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,079 three point like volume shooting situation. I well, in terms of like a 1157 01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,920 need, it's just the backup point guard spot. But yeah, I mean, 1158 01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:05,880 you know, it's like, how big of a regret is that based 1159 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,760 on how well you're playing? Yeah, it's to say that's a huge one. 1160 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,800 Uh, which team? WHOA? I almost as I almost just left 1161 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,000 our podcast room, that would have been that would have been something. Uh, 1162 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:24,079 let's go to Let's go to Denver. Hashtag no regrets, good luck. 1163 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,920 They want they won a title, but I did so. I consulted 1164 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,399 Mile High Sports is Ryan Blackburn? Blackburn excuse me on this while I was 1165 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,840 on his podcast, the ALU podcast, because I want to see, like 1166 01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:40,880 I was gonna end up on, could they have done more to get like 1167 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,199 a backup big who would actually play where they don't have to downsize? And 1168 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,399 is it the Zeke Nausey extension? I ultimately think you need tradable money, 1169 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,840 and so that Zeke Nagy even right now because of the two hundred percent matching 1170 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,520 rules for teams under the apron uh, I think that there's value in that. 1171 01:11:56,079 --> 01:11:59,199 I think I'm gonna settle on and this is this just speaks to how 1172 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,439 whimsy it is they They went to use oriented as part of their bench and 1173 01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:10,800 it's yes, Peyton watching the shined Julian Strather's had his moments, but at 1174 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,399 the end of the day, like you have just guys who are not you 1175 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,399 know, Hunter Tyson, Jalen Pickett, even Julian Strauther to some extend, 1176 01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:21,399 who's not played a ton that just aren't playing, And like you could have 1177 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,720 could you have gotten any of these veterans that look at all those veterans on 1178 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,720 minimum contracts that the Phoenix Suns signed and like you're you're here is hitting with 1179 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,920 like Justin Holliday and we know it was smart he's not on a minimum, 1180 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,680 but like to keep Reggie Jackson, could you have gotten I still don't know 1181 01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:40,560 why Bismock Biamba wasn't signed, Like just get hit him the you know you 1182 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,880 have DeAndre Jordan. I get what he does for your locker room. He's 1183 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,600 actually been good in some of the minutes he's played, Like you can't rely 1184 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,199 on him for a ton of minutes. I don't. Again, it's tough 1185 01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:51,159 for me to muster up the passion to be like, wow, man, 1186 01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:55,520 they they fucked up. Because I think the fact that we're here and this 1187 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,119 might be more of an indictment on Michael Porter Junior and Jamal Murray than anything 1188 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,479 to where they still just can't afford to use Jokic for even a second. 1189 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:08,279 There's more validity to exploring the dual timeline things because you want to get to 1190 01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:11,279 a point where, well, hey, if Yokic misses more than four games 1191 01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:13,399 a year, like we need to figure out a way to combat that. 1192 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,640 This is a way that you would hopefully get there, because right now it 1193 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,399 doesn't seem like they're built for it. That's the only one I could really 1194 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,960 come up with for them is that they skewed too far for the youth movement 1195 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,680 is could they have done something where you know, they gave these guys a 1196 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,560 guaranteed money to where they're not on two way contracts, So could you have 1197 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,479 done something to have just gotten another veteran in here who even if he's just 1198 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:38,960 a regular seasons inning eater, like that matters more than what you're getting from 1199 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,159 some of these guys right now. Yeah, I mean, if we're ever 1200 01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:45,560 gonna have a no regrets that team and asks to be the Nuggets. But 1201 01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:48,880 the most significant thing that jumps out, and maybe this ties into what you 1202 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,920 were saying about just the types of players they got to fill out the sporting 1203 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,720 cast is just the backup big like they kind of did the DeAndre Jordan. 1204 01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:00,960 They're kind of Eudonnis haslming DeAndre Jordan a little bit like he's just we want 1205 01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:04,079 him around type of thing. That's a stretch just because he's like done something. 1206 01:14:04,199 --> 01:14:09,399 Yeah, I mean, just like you, you're not gonna I guess, 1207 01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:12,079 like it's you know, part of the problem with nitpicking about this is 1208 01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:15,720 like, well, if Yogic doesn't play that, they're like nothing, nothing 1209 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,800 else matters anyway, So it's like it's not like you need a backup big 1210 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,119 that's gonna like save you. If Yokic misses like two months, you're just 1211 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:26,399 never gonna win. Basically, whoever, it is at least as far as 1212 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,359 like people that Denver could realistically get, Like you can't. It'd be cool 1213 01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:31,000 if you could go get Miles Turner to be your backup big or whatever, 1214 01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:34,319 but like you can't because you want a title and that costs a lot of 1215 01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:38,479 money and that's your roster. But yeah, I think I just like a 1216 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,319 I don't know, slightly more like consistently playable backup big that could actually start 1217 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,600 occasionally like that kind of thing. But again, this is this is a 1218 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,119 no regrets team, I'm gonna move out of the Houston Rockets, and so 1219 01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:53,880 I reached out to Red Nation Hoops. His Salomon a LEI friend of the 1220 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,239 podcast, and he I proposed a bunch of different things. There's I do 1221 01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:01,000 think this one's sort of a no brainer. But them empowering KPJ behind the 1222 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:05,560 scenes is just blasphemous when you look at those those rumors, how they treat 1223 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,319 him like a franchise cornerstone. I do think that speaks to the larger issue 1224 01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:14,439 of just sort of their lack of team culture. I also do think it 1225 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,279 encompasses too much of not twenty twenty three, since he spent half of it 1226 01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:24,479 not playing basketball or on the roster due to the domestic violence allegations. I 1227 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,720 had other ones. So there was the one. You know, should they 1228 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,439 have pivoted to more Alpern Shangun sooner it took them so long last season to 1229 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,319 do that. They would have had more information on that point, maybe about 1230 01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:35,560 Jalen Green and his fit and more of a bit role, But that even 1231 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,479 didn't come to light until now. We have Fred van Fleet and Dylan Brooks 1232 01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,399 and some of these other perimeter players on the roster. Here's the one he 1233 01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,760 gave me, and I consider other ones that I proposed him. I'm going 1234 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,319 to read it verbatim. He said, if you he said, the Brook 1235 01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:53,560 Lopez pursuit, and here was his reasoning. If you got Lopez alprin, 1236 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,479 Shangun gets further marginalized, and so you still didn't understand what you had in 1237 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,000 Shangun at that point. Clearly. Two, if you miss on Lopez, 1238 01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:05,199 which you did, you made this ridiculous multi team trade that cost you draft 1239 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,640 capital and young prospects. Because you missed, you also missed out possibly getting 1240 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,880 Dylan Brooks on a sweetheart deal. Remember they ended up paying him more in 1241 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,119 the end. The KPg thing would sting a lot less if Houston still had 1242 01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,359 ty Ty Washington, Usman Gruba, and door Josh Christopher on the roster, 1243 01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:26,439 who they also moved as part of these mechanisms, and then you wouldn't need 1244 01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,479 to make the eventual Oladipot trade because you've had those contracts on your books. 1245 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,560 Instead, you could have just waved KPg right away, which is what they 1246 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,439 should have done, and kept the second rounder. He had just an overall 1247 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,279 really bad call by the front office to pursue Lopez. What do you think. 1248 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:45,600 I mean, I didn't consider it in that framing. I did not 1249 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,319 think about the ripple effects. I would I would have said, like, 1250 01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:53,479 I mean, really, the Lopez thing is is one of the biggest bullets 1251 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,720 dodged I think in a long time. It can't be because you didn't get 1252 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,479 the guy, and like, fortunately it turned out that Shingoun was beyond ready 1253 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,760 to just be your center. Uh. But but I didn't think about like 1254 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,399 all the knock on effects of that pursuit. Which that's that's a good point. 1255 01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,600 The other one I might throw in there is like you maybe took the 1256 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,000 wrong Thompson at number four, just but it's hard to judge, amen, 1257 01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:17,880 because he just hasn't played, and a sar may never be able to shoot, 1258 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,960 like just pick the other I mean, maybe just swap him. Now, 1259 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:24,520 who would notice? Really? Well, maybe once a once the star 1260 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,800 started really defending his ass off in a rocket's uniform, you might realize it 1261 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,319 was him. But yeah, I think the it it makes sense to sort 1262 01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:35,720 of focus on the Lopez like non acquisition, but I can't. I can't 1263 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,479 get all the way there with that as a regret. Since you didn't get 1264 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,720 the guy, and that was the best thing that could have happened. Really 1265 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,279 well, I'm saying, if you didn't go after him like da, do 1266 01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,399 you have to pay Dylan Brooks more, give up draft capital and make the 1267 01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,800 mechanisms work, you know. I think it's the KPJ thing would be the 1268 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,039 other one for me, just because if those rumors, which I think it 1269 01:17:54,119 --> 01:17:58,119 was Clutch fans or Clutch points reported it, how much they empowered and just 1270 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:02,399 ignored his erratic yeah on detrimental behavior behind the scenes. I'm talking pre domestic 1271 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,680 violence allegations. It's just like, what are we doing? But I do 1272 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,720 think that also speaks the larger symptom of should we've gotten more adults in the 1273 01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,840 room sooner here, both players, coaches, whatever, well, not moving 1274 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,039 on from Steven Silas sooner? Maybe that's why I mean it all that does 1275 01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:20,039 seem like it's not it was beyond him. It wasn't just like he couldn't 1276 01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:24,960 rain everything in, but like the chaos was not of his doing. He 1277 01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:28,000 just wasn't the right guy to like control it, and maybe it was uncontrollable. 1278 01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:31,960 I mean, not moving not moving Jalen Green before he has like a 1279 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,439 down year and a like Is that really good after the second half of the 1280 01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,560 season he had last year? Was that ever even in the cards? No, 1281 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,960 it was. I'm just like, I think, I think you probably 1282 01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:45,600 have the right one, but I'm just trying to think of other potential potential 1283 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,359 regrets there because everything else, I mean, an another team, Like I 1284 01:18:48,359 --> 01:18:50,840 didn't like the Brook steal, but like, yeah, kind of works for 1285 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,359 me now, Like he's just he ended up being a lot better than I 1286 01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:57,560 mean, yeah, we missed out. How much better would that look if 1287 01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,760 he only cost like fifteen million a year? Oh my god, Yeah, 1288 01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:02,199 it would be one of the best contracts signed, which is like unthinkable. 1289 01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:09,239 Let's go to where we want to go to next? Who haven't I done 1290 01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:14,239 yet? Let's go to the Let's go to the Sacramento Kings. No, 1291 01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:15,479 I'm gonna save that to the end just to push you off, all right, 1292 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,199 So theirs might be the most basic one when we're talking about stepping on 1293 01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:24,279 the toes of just things we've already talked about, uh not more aggressively looking 1294 01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:28,239 to upgrade their defense, and it's I don't there's been a lot of mixed 1295 01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:30,039 results with their offensive returns. Again, I don't know how many times we 1296 01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:34,880 have to cite this dearon Fox being healthy as just like their offense is just 1297 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,560 going to be their twelfth right now. They're like, like, I don't 1298 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,840 know what they're seventh or something since he returned from that sprain right ankle. 1299 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,239 You look at this roster. I do think Kigy Murray's inoculated you against some 1300 01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:48,800 criticism because of the defensive jump he's made as well as Daron Fox. I 1301 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,800 do wonder if does Damian Mitchell have to play meaningful minutes for this team still 1302 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,119 if Daron Fox isn't defending the way that he is, probably not, because 1303 01:19:57,119 --> 01:20:02,000 Foxes still need to play. Still, what the did was allow you more 1304 01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:05,520 optionality to go out and be like, oh, we don't necessarily need a 1305 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,680 Harrison Barnes replacement or someone Harrison Barnes's size. I think that's ideal. We've 1306 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,119 talked about og Annobi for this team, probably more than any other team in 1307 01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:17,319 the league. But could you have got like you can go out and get 1308 01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:20,560 Alex Caruso, even a Marcus Smart if you were part of that. It 1309 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,239 could be someone who's a little bit smaller because of Keegan Murray playing so well 1310 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:30,000 defensively, and yet you chose to use your flexibility on We're gonna bring back 1311 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,760 Harrison Barnes, We're gonna renegotiate and extend domas and bonus. We're gonna and 1312 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,880 we're gonna bring over Vizenkov, who's not like had some bright spots, and 1313 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,760 there's been when you seem like any of the minutes with Lyles and Vzhenkov on 1314 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,840 the floor together, like the Kings are very just twitchy and fun, you 1315 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,840 had an opportunity to be more aggressive, and it doesn't sound like from all 1316 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,960 the reporting, Yeah, free agency doesn't seem like Jeremy Grant was ever really 1317 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,720 on the table for them. You could have been more aggressive on the trade 1318 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,800 market. There's always opportunities on the trade market that go unexplored, and I 1319 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,359 just question, like, our are they going to remedy that now when we've 1320 01:21:01,359 --> 01:21:04,760 seen zach Lavine like linked to them for the right price, they might be 1321 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:09,479 interested in zach Lavin should not be interesting to you at any price. I'm 1322 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,439 sorry it easier, shouldn't be. And so they're a very good team. 1323 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,880 I think that they were on the cusp of where if you get a very 1324 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,279 good defender in here who could be a part of your top six, top 1325 01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:23,279 seven rotation in the playoffs makes a huge difference. Do they need to be 1326 01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,520 a part of your closing lineup? Maybe not, though that would be preferable. 1327 01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:30,760 You just that was a little bit uninspiring, especially after the season they 1328 01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:35,640 had had last year. Yeah, I think it has to be that it 1329 01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:41,000 has to be failing. I get it can't be that they failed to recognize 1330 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,800 what they needed. It was like everybody understood the type of players that they 1331 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,399 needed to sort of balance the roster out guys. This is kind of like 1332 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,319 subreddit logic of Kings fans, I think. But I saw a lot of 1333 01:21:53,359 --> 01:21:57,800 criticism of they don't need an elite wing defender or defender because they perimeter defender 1334 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,600 because they have Kegan Murray. And it's just like, no, that's sorry, 1335 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,920 No that's not true. I would say, even if you wanted to 1336 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:12,319 go even more macro, it's the idea that tied to like not not knowing 1337 01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:16,960 or not pursuing doggedly enough like what they needed. It's this idea that we're 1338 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:23,840 going to talk a lot about. We're not satisfied with where we are. 1339 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,399 We want to improve, we want to take the next step but then operate 1340 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,119 as if the goal is to just make the playoffs again, which you know 1341 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,319 what I mean, like, which is to double down on your guys to 1342 01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:36,359 bring Barnes back the Sabonus extension. I think, just in a vacuum is 1343 01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:40,520 what. I'm never going to say that that was a good decision. I 1344 01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,239 just like I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm saying that was a 1345 01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,880 stupid decision. You didn't need to do it. It's too much money for 1346 01:22:46,279 --> 01:22:49,640 that type of player if you if in fact you are serious about leveling up, 1347 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,359 if you're not, and you want to just kind of keep doing this 1348 01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:56,760 where you win forty something games and can't guard anybody, which is what they 1349 01:22:57,279 --> 01:23:00,920 They did not say that that was the goal. That's how they operated, 1350 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,640 because if the goal was to get better, you would have figured out a 1351 01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,279 way to get wing defenders, to not commit yourself to Sabonis way before you 1352 01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:10,239 needed to, and for more money than you needed to. So yeah, 1353 01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:14,520 few regrets there, but they're all kind of of a piece. The Memphis 1354 01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:19,319 Grizzlies. This one spills into other years. It's waiting too long to make 1355 01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:24,279 the consolidation trade. But I will say and then you made the consolidation trade 1356 01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:28,159 on the wrong player. I think in large part, maybe Marcus Smart plays 1357 01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:30,279 better. He's healthy. Now the pecking water is going to normalize. Ja 1358 01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:33,199 Moran's sick at the moment. But like you have Bain, Jared Jackson, 1359 01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:36,279 Junior, Ja Morant and Smart all together, that's how you're gonna get your 1360 01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:41,279 most valuable information. It's just it felt like it was more and responsible. 1361 01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:44,159 We kind of need someone to wear all these hats where we need we really 1362 01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,359 we missed out in the boat on getting wings in here. But that could 1363 01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:49,960 be Marcus Smart, who can also help offset the twenty five game suspension that's 1364 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:55,840 coming or came at the time for John Morant. I don't love that logic 1365 01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,840 in general, But I keep coming back to Keith Parrish from Fast Break, 1366 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,800 Breakfast, very good podcast. He's checked them out. If you haven't already 1367 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:08,319 tweeted this, This is back in November. It seems like people are open 1368 01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:13,279 to it now. So let's reflect Tias Jones, Theanthony Melton, Dylan Brooks, 1369 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,479 Kyle Anderson, three first round picks and three second round picks became Marcus 1370 01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:24,279 Smart, Luke Canard, Jake Laavia, David Roddy, that's like, how 1371 01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:29,159 many guys backed up prominently into the Memphis Grizzlies current plans because Canard's injured. 1372 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,399 The answer is Marcus Smart, who was just injured for a bunch of time. 1373 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,319 That's go ahead the disaster. That's I mean, that's like a massive 1374 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:43,039 downgrade in value, like massive. They'd be so much better off with the 1375 01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:45,560 guys the first list of guys you mentioned and assets, it's not even close. 1376 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,359 That's crazy. So you just you made the wrong calls time and again. 1377 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:55,039 I think this is something that is not just twenty twenty three, but 1378 01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:59,199 it kind of manifested the most in twenty twenty three because you made this was 1379 01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:00,880 your all int quote unquote, and even if you thought it was a half 1380 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,119 measure, that's even worse. Why are we taking half measures when you're a 1381 01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:06,560 team that just finished with the second best record in the West last year. 1382 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,119 Again, yeah, were they the best? No, they were the second 1383 01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:13,159 best, number two. I think they've been second twice in a row. 1384 01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:16,640 I want to say upcoming. It's just like I think that has to be 1385 01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,760 the regret. And it's also you kind of you know, the even we 1386 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:24,039 were I was tricked by Zaier Williams too, So I understand that tool. 1387 01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:27,479 But you've just you've held on to your own guys just like for too much. 1388 01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,479 And it's worked out with Desmond Bane and John Morant and Jaron Jackson Junior 1389 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,279 clearly, but they are always going to be the exceptions. And I get 1390 01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:35,920 this stuff is hard, but I feel like we have there's probably two or 1391 01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,760 three, at least two postseasons worth of evidence of like, we know what 1392 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,640 you need, go out and get it, and they just elected not to. 1393 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,119 Yeah, I think that's a really good one. The second to last 1394 01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:49,720 one. I guess I should just save the Golden State Warriors to the end 1395 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,079 right now, you said you would, and we'll see if I ended up 1396 01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:56,359 with fifteen teams. By the way, that's the other. That's the other. 1397 01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,600 The other, I have no idea. I'll count we had to the 1398 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,560 Warriors, which who I think are next? So the Phoenix Suns. I'm 1399 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:10,000 going to be clear about this, the Kevin Durant trade negotiations, and what 1400 01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:12,840 I mean by this is you don't need to regret the Kevin Durant trade. 1401 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,119 And for anyone who regrets the Bradley Beal trade, I understand but I come 1402 01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:19,560 back to with what you gave up, given how much of a sunk costs 1403 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:25,359 DeAndre and became, what could you have gotten? Let's start there. What 1404 01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,840 could you gotten with that exact trade offer that is better than the idea of 1405 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,600 Bradley Beal coming back in February. It's I mean, it's like an unanswerable 1406 01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,119 question, but the point taken, like it's hard to think of something that's 1407 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:40,680 like definitely going to be better for what they gave up. The Kenn Durant 1408 01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:47,239 trade negotiation was in hindsight, a disaster just because you gave everything. You 1409 01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:50,600 were the only team on Kevin Durant's list and you acted. I don't know 1410 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,359 if it's because Matt Ishpia just took over the team and he wanted to leave 1411 01:26:54,359 --> 01:26:58,840 a stamp. You gave up everything. Even the reporting that's jarring. I 1412 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,680 know that he wasn't with the team, but it was just like, yeah, 1413 01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,600 we need we need Jake Crowder and you need to give him to us. 1414 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,560 It was just like okay, And that was after relenting on some of 1415 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,960 the pick commitments. You couldn't have won anything on that, like keeping a 1416 01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:17,039 first rounder, protecting like protecting these first rounders, it's you were I get 1417 01:27:17,079 --> 01:27:20,680 that it's Kevin Durant, and I think that there's you know, I saw 1418 01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,600 I don't know if you saw the tweet that was going around where people screenshotted 1419 01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:28,680 what people were talking about in in Reddit. How they're just out on Kevin 1420 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,479 Durant. They think the trade itself was a disaster, and maybe just in 1421 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,439 due time, because you did give up Michael Bridges and Cam Johnson and all 1422 01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,520 these vibes. You were very clearly not good enough at the time, and 1423 01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,119 so the swing that you're making I totally understand, but like you just you 1424 01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:47,039 gave up everything everything possible, but like in terms of these tangible first round 1425 01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:51,800 picks, and you were the only team on his trade list at that time, 1426 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,920 and so to walk away with just you couldn't have figured out a way 1427 01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:00,239 to I get not getting like keeping Mcal Bridges would have been the I get 1428 01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:04,720 that was probably unrealistic. Like you couldn't even win with having Cam Johnson still 1429 01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:09,720 on the roster. There was ways to around the maneuvering of the money with 1430 01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,920 it, so like you couldn't you couldn't have gotten DeAndre Ayton shoehorned into that 1431 01:28:14,119 --> 01:28:15,640 just hey, like you guys kind of need a big You only have Nick 1432 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,319 Klaxxon and Ad. Anyway, you gave up everything you made, You made 1433 01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:25,439 all the concessions, and I think it's coming back to bite you now to 1434 01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,560 where you didn't have any long term, mainstay possibilities left on this roster. 1435 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,640 And he didn't give up, by the way, any of them in the 1436 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:36,680 the Bradley Beal trade. And now you have this roster of makeshift veteran contracts. 1437 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,359 And part of the problem is you and I, or at least I 1438 01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:43,199 did. I read too much into the signings. They were ballyhood and I 1439 01:28:43,399 --> 01:28:46,039 jumped aboard that bandwagon. Those guys were ultimately available for the minimum for a 1440 01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:50,119 reason. And there's also something to the effect of, I know they gave 1441 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:55,039 out player options, like they're still trying to play for their next contract to 1442 01:28:55,079 --> 01:28:58,159 not pick up those player options, and so that gets a little dicey. 1443 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,560 I just it couldn't have just done like won any aspect of the Kevin Durant 1444 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,239 trade, aside from ending up with Kevin Durant, and I will say had 1445 01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:11,159 he had a list of destinations that were like six teams long. Okay, 1446 01:29:11,159 --> 01:29:14,560 fine, at that point, it's time to call the Nets his bluff. 1447 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,319 Where are you sending him then? If not here? Yeah, I wonder 1448 01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,520 what wasn't the reporting something like and maybe you reference it with the Crowder a 1449 01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:26,000 bit, but like something to the effect of, you know, they were 1450 01:29:26,079 --> 01:29:28,960 close or whatever, and then the Sons were trying to hold out and not 1451 01:29:29,039 --> 01:29:30,640 give something, and Ishbia kind of comes in over the top, and it's 1452 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:35,079 just you know, new owner enthusiasm is like just do it, basically, 1453 01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:40,319 make make this happen. So it's like, I think anytime that that is 1454 01:29:40,359 --> 01:29:44,439 a factor, it's just regrettable by definition, because clearly, like like you 1455 01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,119 said, make the Nets prove that one they have a better offer they don't, 1456 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,119 or two that they're willing to hold on to him don't think they were, 1457 01:29:51,359 --> 01:29:55,880 So just like just wait a little while, because it's not like last 1458 01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,439 year was like the team in its full form. I don't think like it 1459 01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,039 wasn't like we get durant, we're gonna to my recollection. It wasn't. 1460 01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:08,079 It more became like once you know, in the off season, they get 1461 01:30:08,079 --> 01:30:11,119 beal and then it's like, okay, now we're really like we're going for 1462 01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,600 it. We think we're going to contend I don't remember feeling that way last 1463 01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,640 year, although maybe I'm just like forgetting about it. But yeah, just 1464 01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,239 the idea that you weren't bidding against anyone and you still managed to just give 1465 01:30:21,359 --> 01:30:26,720 up everything that you possibly could feel feels bad, feels like a bad look. 1466 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,800 Don't let new owners get crazy. That's that's like a recipe for disaster. 1467 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,680 Our final team the Golden State Warriors, and I have counted. This 1468 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,239 is our fifteenth team, which means it is our final team. I should 1469 01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:41,279 count, I should count again. I'll count again while you're responding to it. 1470 01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,000 So I went with I didn't really know how to frame what can they 1471 01:30:45,039 --> 01:30:48,800 could they have done to rain Draymond green in because that would be the obvious 1472 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:54,199 regret. I don't because they've put him through this work on Yourself program sooner 1473 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,560 apparently, So if you want to go that route, or if you have 1474 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,720 a way to frame it that would be better. I'm there. I'm settled 1475 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:06,119 on they needed to It's a combination of experiment with the youth sooner and moved 1476 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:12,439 away from as Jonathan Kamena just recently said, the ogs not give them as 1477 01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,880 long as long as a rope for as long we saw it, dating back 1478 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,119 to last season later and I'm not talking about Look, we know what happened 1479 01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:24,399 with Pool, and I know that they just got tjd and Brandon Pajemski, 1480 01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,680 it still probably took them a little too long to get to those points of 1481 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,399 leaning on them. The Kaminga one and even the Moody one are big ones 1482 01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,880 for me, where Moody's just kind of lost in the shuffle. Kaminga even 1483 01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:38,399 when he starts, doesn't play a ton. I don't get why Steve Kerr 1484 01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:42,960 doesn't play them together. I'm sure it's because is there enough dribbling or creation 1485 01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:45,359 there? Dude, look at what you're working with at this point defensively, 1486 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:50,199 like just like play them together, especially with Draymond Green not there. And 1487 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:54,279 I think that you would just have more information on the youth and maybe Moses, 1488 01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:56,680 Moody and John think Dimingo would be much better off if you would. 1489 01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,279 Actually, I don't want to say committed to the two timeline stick, but 1490 01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:04,760 like you you never really just plumb the depth of your youth properly, and 1491 01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:09,600 I think that did a disservice, especially last season. More so, I 1492 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,039 get it you won the twenty twenty two title. You earned yourself some goodwill 1493 01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:17,239 there and now look you are relying on tj D now pods playing really well. 1494 01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:19,840 Man doing all rookie teams is gonna be a bear by the way, 1495 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:26,880 just go round of it like a month or two ago. So I get 1496 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,239 that you're doing it now. It took you too long to get there. 1497 01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:30,760 Look at how much time you even wasted this season where it's like, oh, 1498 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,119 we're just gonna bank on Andrew Wiggins reverting back to twenty twenty two postseason, 1499 01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:38,920 which is the anomaly of all anomalies when you look at the rest of 1500 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,479 his career. We're gonna allow Klay Thompson way too much Lelay when he's hurting 1501 01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,800 us. I know he's played better on offense lately like you need, and 1502 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,239 I think this still could end up being regret. Where should you have a 1503 01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:51,359 tougher stomach with some of the ogs. No, you guys aren't gonna close 1504 01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,520 when you're like you guys aren't guaranteed to closing spot. I think we're getting 1505 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,399 to that point. I get it's tough discussions to have. The only other 1506 01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,880 one that I think you could go with is could you have addressed some of 1507 01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:05,760 these more organically and saved face. But like we made the consolidation trade, 1508 01:33:06,199 --> 01:33:09,439 and so like this is just how it is. Like this player is clearly 1509 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,800 better, We're not investing in youth, but we went out and we traded 1510 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,920 for Pascal Siakam or we went out and we traded for for og An andob 1511 01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:19,279 or we went out and traded for Bradley Beal or something. Yeah, I 1512 01:33:19,319 --> 01:33:24,479 think I think that's I think I agree with just sort of the general idea 1513 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:30,680 that the team has has kind of gotten it wrong, with the balance of 1514 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:36,119 trusting the youth and then sort of like honoring or whatever the word we should 1515 01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:42,199 use is the veterans because like I mean Moody. Take Moody as an example, 1516 01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:45,319 he was told just the other day like you're out of the rotation now, 1517 01:33:45,399 --> 01:33:47,199 which just keeps happening to him, even though all he ever does is 1518 01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:53,119 just be solid and sometimes better than that. And then like Kaminga getting jerked 1519 01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:56,399 around and pull out of games in ways that other guys just don't. I 1520 01:33:56,399 --> 01:34:00,520 mean, like the Warriors put up with Pool doing just absolute nonsense for most 1521 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,640 of last year, and Cominga would get yanked for like missing a rotation, 1522 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:09,399 whereas Pool is just like I don't know, like meandering around three rows into 1523 01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:13,319 the stands on defense instead of like just doing anything. And you know, 1524 01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,880 I like, look, he sort of earned it, as he did earn 1525 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,439 it as a contributor to the title team in ways that I guess Kaminga and 1526 01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:24,319 Moody didn't really although like even Moody, you remember those finals, Moody was 1527 01:34:24,359 --> 01:34:28,119 playing and Cominga was really good like down the stretch of that season, So 1528 01:34:29,079 --> 01:34:31,840 I agree they mismanaged that. I think also related to that is like this 1529 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,279 is barely a twenty twenty three thing, but like not trading James Wiseman sooner 1530 01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:41,319 just because every second they kept him as value went down. So I mean, 1531 01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:44,119 if you traded him January one of twenty three, you're probably not doing 1532 01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:46,399 any better than they did at the deadline because it was clear that he was 1533 01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,479 not going to be a good player. But that's one of them. But 1534 01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:54,640 yeah, I think just the general mishandling of youth in general that was great 1535 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,039 to encompass the James Wiseman trade. I think it's all part of the same 1536 01:34:58,079 --> 01:35:01,359 thing where it's like and even now I think this is beyond the scope of 1537 01:35:01,359 --> 01:35:03,399 what we're talking about. But you saved it for less. This is your 1538 01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:08,359 fault even now. I just want to point out though I would have also 1539 01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,119 you did yours in under an hour. I would have done behind in under 1540 01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:15,239 an hour if you weren't for this of an erect. I'm concerned about when 1541 01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:20,399 Draymond comes back because there's a very specific way that the Vets play, like 1542 01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:25,039 the ball pinging around the top, the handoffs, waiting for guys to come 1543 01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:28,359 off pin downs, and every defense in the league is attuned to it. 1544 01:35:28,399 --> 01:35:30,199 And I think it's a huge reason the Warriors turn the ball over like craziest 1545 01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:33,039 because there is no mystery to what they want to do when they play with 1546 01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:38,760 the Vets, Like I'm concerned that that will return because now it's like a 1547 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,680 little more like kind of I don't know, they play a little more like 1548 01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,520 other teams, which when they don't have Draymond and Looney at the top doing 1549 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,239 the whole shtick, that doesn't work as well anymore. And that might change 1550 01:35:48,279 --> 01:35:51,760 again. And that's just another instance of like the youth is not being served 1551 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:57,159 here because things make more sense when you have Pajemski and kaminga just kind of 1552 01:35:57,239 --> 01:36:00,159 running around being athletic, like doing stuff that is very much outside the Warriors, 1553 01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,520 like quote unquote system that they use with the Vets, so like they're 1554 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:09,479 not through I guess is the point here, kind of trying to navigate the 1555 01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,640 old guys young guys thing like that that is going to be a thing in 1556 01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,760 twenty twenty four. Still, yeah, I think it feels weird to say 1557 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:20,000 now when Pods and Kaminga and TJD are playing, you kind of mentioned it, 1558 01:36:20,079 --> 01:36:24,199 well, what's gonna happen when Draymond dream comes back? Really with Kaminga 1559 01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:27,399 and TJD are the ones that you look at there right, which guys are 1560 01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:30,800 like they've earned minutes. They just straight up have earned minutes in ways some 1561 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,920 of the Vets have not. And the track record has been like, well 1562 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,760 that doesn't matter. That's that has been what's what's going on. Although I 1563 01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,680 mean to curse credit he I mean, Wiggins is going to have to do 1564 01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,840 very little to like get his minutes back, but he did. He did 1565 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,920 take him away for for a little bit there. So that and Looney too, 1566 01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:51,439 Like Looney's been bad, He's taken his minutes away. So that's also 1567 01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:57,960 po Like the new new front Office's credit like to end up with Pods and 1568 01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,000 TJD in the same rookie classes. It's really good. This is good, 1569 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,840 but it's still just there's an awkwardness And if you don't want to frame it 1570 01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,079 this way, I think then the only answer is, well, then you 1571 01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:09,720 should have made a consolidate, like a real consolidation trade already, not like 1572 01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,439 Chris Paul was kind of a I still think that wasn't a bad move sense, 1573 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,680 but it was as an asset play. But just like it wasn't a 1574 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:20,479 consolidation trade. No, I mean, I mean, I think I think 1575 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:25,920 Pajemski, playing as well as he has should make the Warriors consider moving Paul 1576 01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:30,439 for as part of a bigger deal, just because like, ultimately, Paul's 1577 01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,239 role is just not going to be that big and shouldn't be because he can't 1578 01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:36,840 play heavy minutes over a long stretch, and Pajemski just keeps winning the minutes 1579 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,760 he's on the floor, Like, I don't know how much more you need 1580 01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,399 to see before you turn it over to him. I think I'm at the 1581 01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:48,640 point where I would prefer to trade Andrew Wiggins and roll with Jonathan Kaminga and 1582 01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,600 let's up his role and let's also see who you get back in me Andrew 1583 01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:56,920 Wiggins trade. I don't. I think Chris Paul's contract is definitely more pliable 1584 01:37:57,039 --> 01:38:01,199 in negotiations because it's technically expiring, so that is like something certainly, But 1585 01:38:01,239 --> 01:38:04,399 if you find a team that's just like like Andrew Wiggins isn't super old and 1586 01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:08,159 like he can be we saw he wasn't too. If you find a team 1587 01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:12,079 that kind of values him as like a even a fringe or like a protected 1588 01:38:12,119 --> 01:38:15,920 first round pick, and you're using his salary on top of other picks, 1589 01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:20,159 if that ups your return, I'd prefer to move him and just like increase 1590 01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:24,159 John thaink Aminga's role slash. Let's see who we're getting back as part of 1591 01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:28,760 this deal. The combination of Moody, Pajimski and Kaminga should I mean, 1592 01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:30,520 the Warriors have like a roster glut issue as it is. The three of 1593 01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,600 those guys should, especially if Wiggins. If Wiggins ever got back to finals, 1594 01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,319 Wiggins like, then that's different. But I don't think that's happening, 1595 01:38:38,319 --> 01:38:41,800 and those three guys can contribute what he would have, you know, just 1596 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:50,960 in different ways. Let's get the stat padding let's do I think both of 1597 01:38:51,039 --> 01:38:54,720 us only have you said like two separate things. I say, we do 1598 01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,439 that and get out of here. It's it's very late, and uh we've 1599 01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,800 given This is like the third straight week we've done every team series and so 1600 01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,640 uh yeah, I'm like, I'm fucking tired. I'm not gonna lie. 1601 01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:09,079 I love doing this, but I'm exhausted. I don't know how you feel. 1602 01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,079 I took a long nap today just because that's how I live as a 1603 01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:16,119 as a grown adult. You and Bert all troubled up taking a nap. 1604 01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,880 It rained here today too, so I was in a napping kind of mood. 1605 01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,800 I have to take a nap if I'm gonna be like halfway coherent at 1606 01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,600 this hour. Because I'm old. You killed. People aren't gonna have heard 1607 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,600 this yet, but you killed. You slayed the Eastern Conference, So people 1608 01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,000 go check that out. It'll be up maybe Friday or Saturday, depending on 1609 01:39:33,039 --> 01:39:36,119 how much time I have. All Right, I have a love Weekend pods. 1610 01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:41,479 They don't download them, but they seem to love them. Whatever whatever 1611 01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,800 it takes. I have a weird one for you that's gonna feed into something 1612 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,880 you and I are going to work on later. Uh but uh, Dan 1613 01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,960 over here, you know what. First, I'm gonna orient myself properly for 1614 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,640 the camera, because, oh, thank you, I forgot I should orient 1615 01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,159 myself too. Let's go all right, Dan, You've got to pick one 1616 01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:04,640 sub twenty player to build your team around. Chet, Shane Gooon, Palo 1617 01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:11,760 Bancaro, Scoot Henderson. Ooh, I think I'm going Palo Bank Caro. 1618 01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:16,239 There's more positional versatility there than there is for everybody else. Chet is tempting, 1619 01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,239 but Palo is a ball handler and playmaker, where Chet's gonna be more 1620 01:40:20,279 --> 01:40:26,279 of like kind of the secondary passer. I think I appreciate Palo bank Carroll's 1621 01:40:26,279 --> 01:40:29,439 floor game. I trust the jumper enough. I'm gonna go with Bank Carrow. 1622 01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:33,159 These are gonna get progressively harder. Same question. Some twenty two player 1623 01:40:33,159 --> 01:40:38,479 to build your team around, Shandon Sharp, Jabari Smith, Junior, Asar 1624 01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:44,439 Thompson, Brandon Miller. Oh, I'm gonna go with Brandon Miller. I 1625 01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,920 think what we've seen defensively from him. I'd wonder if Shandon Sharp's offense is 1626 01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:53,520 super intriguing, and as is what Asar Thompson is doing or has done defensively 1627 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:58,079 for Detroit. But like if you trust that Brandon Miller can be any any 1628 01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:01,920 kind of secondary playmaker on the level of a Paul George over time, just 1629 01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,119 the body archetype and what he's already shown, being able to get to his 1630 01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:09,479 spots on the ball and moving off the ball, coupled with the defense he's 1631 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,119 already shown, and he's been like one of the Lowe Bright spots for Charlotte 1632 01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:16,000 this year. I'd go with Brandon Miller. I think I think Smith Javaris 1633 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:20,039 Smith Junior comes closest. But you're not building your team around any of these 1634 01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:23,760 guys. I probably should phrase that a little differently. No, i'd been 1635 01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,479 I would consider. Look, there's probably three or four teams right now. 1636 01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,720 I'd say Toronto too good, Washington build around Brandon Miller. There are teams 1637 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,359 I think considered build around Charlotte. All right, these will get harder now, 1638 01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:36,560 So it's not a build your team around it anymore. It's just who 1639 01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:44,079 who'd you rather have today? Derek Lively, Pajemski, Jalen Duran, billal 1640 01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:48,079 Kool ballyh gimme, it's it's bla cool BALI for me, I'm taking the 1641 01:41:48,119 --> 01:41:51,680 mystery box because I think he brings elements of what everyone you just named, 1642 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,760 and when you're sort of looking at Derek Lively and Jalen Duran bla cool. 1643 01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:02,760 Bally has that explosive has a big man impact on defense if he actually hits 1644 01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:08,920 at his peak. Second though, I'm really tending to say Lively over Duran, 1645 01:42:09,039 --> 01:42:12,439 but then Pods is so good too. I'm just I'm picking block COULBALI, 1646 01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:14,720 so I don't need a second point. I think that's the right pick. 1647 01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,039 And it's because like Duran and Lively, the best versions of them are 1648 01:42:17,079 --> 01:42:21,800 still just like kind of contributors. They're not. I don't think Duran has 1649 01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:27,319 the upside to be like you're twenty five and twelve and you're running offense through 1650 01:42:27,359 --> 01:42:29,520 him. Probably, I don't think so. I don't think Lively is that 1651 01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,000 either, But like Kulibally is just like I don't know, maybe he's gonna 1652 01:42:32,039 --> 01:42:36,199 be a number one option wing who can say this is yet another reminder I 1653 01:42:36,199 --> 01:42:40,199 know Duran isn't part of this. Just how difficult. And I said this 1654 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:43,800 before, the all rookie teams are gonna be Yeah, you just name three 1655 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,199 rookies that have first team cases. I think the law is probably getting a 1656 01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:49,640 little bit weakest since he's not where he was at the beginning. But my 1657 01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:54,479 god, Okay, one more quartet of under twenty two is that you have 1658 01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,399 to pick one of not to build your team around. Just who would you 1659 01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,439 rather have right now? Jonathan Kaminga, Case Wallace, Jalen Green, Benedict 1660 01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,800 Matherin. Why this is actually easier than I expected because it's only between the 1661 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:13,760 first two for me, Cason Wallace or Jonathan Kaminga. I'm gonna go with 1662 01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:15,680 Cason Wallace. I think he's probably a little bit too passive on offense right 1663 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,760 now. But if all he's gonna do is hit catch and shoot threes and 1664 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,680 defend his butt off and maybe attack a little bit in open space, that's 1665 01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:25,840 a that's a hell of a player. I just coming to size is still 1666 01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:30,079 tantalizing. He's gotten a little bit better with his ball skills, but it's 1667 01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,439 not a good sign that Jalen Green is not a consideration for that one. 1668 01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:36,199 He's just he's tiny, and we now have evidence like this will be the 1669 01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:41,840 third straight year where at least the first half of the season has been nightmarish 1670 01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,920 when you look at his efficiency. Yeah, I agree. You want to 1671 01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:54,359 do a word association hit me all right? Two handed block? Oh, 1672 01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:59,520 oh my god, I don't. I don't know why I don't have it 1673 01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:00,840 to it, don't don't have I don't have one. I'll give you my 1674 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:06,199 chip probably has some. I can picture the Michael Jordan one the Wizards Michael 1675 01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:10,039 Jordan one like as a chase down and he got it two hands off the 1676 01:44:10,079 --> 01:44:15,319 board. Yeah, Ron Mercer, I'm pretty sure Dwayne Wade feels like I 1677 01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:18,079 might be imagining that felt like he had some of those. Lebron's got to 1678 01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:20,960 have a bunch of two handed blocks. I would think just of the chase 1679 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:29,359 down variety. All right, that was a hard one. Nick batoum connectivity. 1680 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,279 It's like super slow corner threes that always go in. Uh, julil 1681 01:44:33,319 --> 01:44:42,319 okafor bust? Is he the most forgotten like recent big miss in the league. 1682 01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,520 Honestly, if you know what was the first thing that came to mind 1683 01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,000 for me was speeding ticket when you said julil okafor didn't he have also some 1684 01:44:49,159 --> 01:44:54,279 weird like it was outside a bar and maybe it was in Boston or might 1685 01:44:54,359 --> 01:44:58,000 I guess maybe Philly where it was like maybe a fight or something it was 1686 01:44:58,039 --> 01:45:00,319 like the third incident of him like being out and getting in trouble as a 1687 01:45:00,359 --> 01:45:04,239 rookie. That just like And there's also something with Neurlin's Noel and Philly where 1688 01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:06,720 it's like I think he got in trouble because he was either renting a house 1689 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,520 with people and they were like they destroyed it. They're like taking shits in 1690 01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,239 the upper deck of the toilet and something like what was going on in Philly 1691 01:45:14,319 --> 01:45:16,439 during the Hanky era. I don't know, not a lot of accountability. 1692 01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:27,279 All right, scorers table, Patrick Pepperley, that's mine too. I guess 1693 01:45:27,359 --> 01:45:30,119 like I'm trying to think who else has jumped on the scorers table? Didn't 1694 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:35,079 didn't Wade do it once? John Wall did it, and Wade definitely did 1695 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:41,239 it. It's totally Ron has done it. Yeah, well he's laid down 1696 01:45:41,279 --> 01:45:45,319 on the scores table for sure. Yeah, who I forget if it was 1697 01:45:45,359 --> 01:45:47,960 Ben. I must have been Ron our test that laid down on the scores 1698 01:45:48,039 --> 01:45:50,840 table and then got the thing thrown at him that triggered the mouse in the 1699 01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:56,119 palace. Yes, all right, last one? Three point celebration could be 1700 01:45:56,159 --> 01:46:00,359 your favorite three point celebration. First one you think of it's just deaf. 1701 01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:02,680 All the different ones where it's the go to sleep, he has the three 1702 01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:06,359 fingers one and then just my favorite, I think my favorite one. It's 1703 01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:10,399 so brazen. It's just when he shoots it, turns around before it goes 1704 01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:13,319 in and just stares down the other team's bench or the fans. I love 1705 01:46:13,319 --> 01:46:16,840 it. Who so Wes does? It was Wes Matthews that did the like 1706 01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,199 pulling the arrow and shooting the arrow too right, because Jamal Murray does that 1707 01:46:20,279 --> 01:46:23,479 on a lot of shots, but I think Wes Matthews used to do it 1708 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:28,760 on mad threes. My mat also is Mellow, the genesis of three to 1709 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,199 the dome. But he did it with like a which three fingers did he 1710 01:46:31,319 --> 01:46:34,960 do it with? Because everybody's looking for it because sometimes it's the pointer finger 1711 01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:39,439 and the middle finger and the thumb. Now sometimes it's the three little fingers. 1712 01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:41,920 There's a lot of ways to go. But Mellow did it to the 1713 01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:44,039 head. That was one of the first ones I thought of. Actually it 1714 01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:47,119 was his Like I forget which three I think it was like pointer fingers, 1715 01:46:47,159 --> 01:46:50,520 like ring finger, middle finger, pinky to the head. Yeah, he 1716 01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:55,600 did it. So I'm looking at the picture now it's the pinky ring finger 1717 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,720 and middle finger. So it took the thumb in the index finger. He 1718 01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:00,520 would like hit his head too. It wasn't like a gentle self. But 1719 01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:04,760 yeah, Nix Aramello was really going at it. Yeah, I like a 1720 01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:08,399 good three point celebration. It's a good but yeah, it's got to be 1721 01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:15,800 Steph though. I have a couple, all right, what's the more interesting 1722 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:23,760 trade that did not happen? Zion for Scoot or Dame to the Heat Zion 1723 01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:27,479 for Scoot? Just because what is that? Like? What is this Pelican 1724 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,920 seem not that they would be better, like they would probably still be if 1725 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,199 Scoot was healthy, really competitive? And then just I'm assuming that Dame is 1726 01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:38,520 still in Portland with Zion there, And then what does that do to the 1727 01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,720 trajectory of the Bucks? What does that do to the trajectory of the Celtics 1728 01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,720 because they will have traded Marcus Smart without getting Drew Holliday a lot more trickle 1729 01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,319 down effects. I feel like if you're all over the place the ripples on 1730 01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:50,079 that one. Okay, going back a little bit, Dan, what is 1731 01:47:50,119 --> 01:47:54,760 the more interesting trade that did not happen? Chris Paul to the Lakers in 1732 01:47:54,800 --> 01:48:00,600 twenty eleven or Steph Curry to the Bucks in twenty twelve. It's absolutely Steph 1733 01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,239 Curry to the Bucks because I think there still would have been a very fire 1734 01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:06,960 night window with the Lakers. And then in Milwaukee, it's one, does 1735 01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:12,239 Steph turn into Steph? Do they potentially still end up with Giannis? And 1736 01:48:12,279 --> 01:48:15,520 those two were together? Because that's absolute because they didn't draft Giannis at this 1737 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,720 high spot and if they didn't take him at what was it, fifteen, 1738 01:48:18,079 --> 01:48:21,199 like let's just say they were better at that point. He might have still 1739 01:48:21,239 --> 01:48:26,960 been available when they were actually on the board. And then forget about just 1740 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,600 the repercussions of because when you look at what happened with Chris Paul, Okay, 1741 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,600 New Orleans traded Chris Paul regardless, it just wasn't to the Lakers. 1742 01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:40,199 What happens to the freaking Warriors if they just decided Montellis is the guy they 1743 01:48:40,239 --> 01:48:45,920 have fewer titles, and like that's that's for damn sure. Uh yeah, 1744 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,760 yeah, So they drafted Yanni's fifteenth in twenty thirteen, and so it's just 1745 01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:55,800 like that was twenty twelve. You said the Boga deal was right, So 1746 01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,760 there's a there's a world in which they end up with Steph and Giannis. 1747 01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:03,039 I have another kind of similar thing for you. This is just calling it 1748 01:49:03,079 --> 01:49:11,039 a bigger what if Tatum over Fults instead of the Sixers trading up and giving 1749 01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:15,840 up stuff to get Foults, or Wiseman over LaMelo Halliburton, whoever else you 1750 01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,359 want to say, what's the bigger what if? I think it's Tatum over 1751 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:26,159 Fults in large part because Tatum was so good right away, and given how 1752 01:49:26,199 --> 01:49:30,039 the Warriors have handled their youth stuff, what type of a learning curve with 1753 01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:33,239 LaMelo have gotten at the time? And he did not play Warriors basketball, 1754 01:49:33,279 --> 01:49:36,520 to be fair, neither did James Wiseman, but they viewed him as like 1755 01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:41,800 this David Robinson blank slate. And then the other thing too, is just 1756 01:49:42,039 --> 01:49:44,600 now if you had said it was between Tyre's Haliburt and it's just he was 1757 01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:47,680 not that high on anyone's draft board that well, otherwise the answer would be 1758 01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:54,039 halle for me. That's the one where it's like, man something. Then 1759 01:49:54,079 --> 01:49:57,560 then you're really talking two timelines. If you just have Haliburton taken over for 1760 01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:01,039 Steph. At some point I cannot can I have a quick massa I'm gonna 1761 01:50:01,039 --> 01:50:06,640 follow him some asochism here. Oh yeah, what's the bigger What if Sga 1762 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:14,760 to the Knicks or Haliburton to the Knicks in the draft? I mean either 1763 01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:19,479 one would be cool. I don't know what would they have given like it 1764 01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:24,680 probably I think would have been Halliburton would have been the guy that more immediately 1765 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,399 made an impact because we saw what happened when he went to Indie very soon 1766 01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:30,720 where it's like Shay Took. They were like kind of two and part of 1767 01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:32,760 it was he was with the Clippers. Then he's with a thunder team that 1768 01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,479 had his Paul den a shrewder, but it took him a little longer to 1769 01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:43,640 get into his megastar roots. I think I think it's Halle because like he 1770 01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:47,399 would can you imagine if then because the transformative effect he has is just different 1771 01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:51,039 than SGA, even if maybe in a vacuum SGA. SGA is just the 1772 01:50:51,079 --> 01:50:57,079 better player. Uh, Like, imagine the buzz of the Knicks as like 1773 01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,800 the run and gun, like suddenly like we're the most fun team in the 1774 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:03,560 league. I think like that would just you can't put a price on that 1775 01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:08,279 one. My real pick is that they probably would end up trading both of 1776 01:51:08,319 --> 01:51:12,840 them, the Kings traded them. I mean, it's anything's possible, all 1777 01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:16,680 right, speaking of this is this is I mean, I'm curious what you're 1778 01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,479 gonna say, because it seems like there's an obvious answer. What is the 1779 01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:26,720 bigger What if Dan Marvin Bagley over Luka doncic and Sacramento or Jabbari Parker over 1780 01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:33,680 Joel Embiid in Milwaukee? Oh, I think it's Jabbari Parker over Embid in 1781 01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:40,600 Milwaukee because because I think you kind of like the idea of having him and 1782 01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:45,479 Giannis together is incredible. But if you have them together, does it limit 1783 01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:49,800 what one or both of them becomes personally? I'd like to find out. 1784 01:51:50,119 --> 01:51:53,479 I think I would like to find out too, But I'm just wondering if 1785 01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:57,880 like that's a possibility. Yeah, I don't know. It is kind of 1786 01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,119 like they do occupy the same those two in a lot of ways. But 1787 01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:05,039 like the lucover Badley is just like, well, yeah, obviously that should 1788 01:52:05,079 --> 01:52:09,439 have happened, and there's I mean, the Kings are just better off if 1789 01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,439 you if you have Luca and dearon Fox, you figure it out, I 1790 01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,239 think, or you trade one for a minute and then Yeah, but the 1791 01:52:15,359 --> 01:52:20,359 idea because I almost had to do a double take on like could so could 1792 01:52:20,359 --> 01:52:26,000 they they already had Yannis that the Bucks did, and you really could have 1793 01:52:26,119 --> 01:52:30,279 just added embiid and then had a couple of years off before he really started 1794 01:52:30,279 --> 01:52:32,680 playing, where Jannie is spreading his wings and then you're really in business. 1795 01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:36,600 That would be I don't know what that team does, but that's a fascinating 1796 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:42,000 hypothetical. Yeah, that that one kind of bent my brain a little bit. 1797 01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,840 I think that might be all I that. In fact, that is 1798 01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:48,239 all I have for you in stat padding. Okay, I have. This 1799 01:52:48,319 --> 01:52:51,439 is a weird one and it's a great If you were watching the Magic Game 1800 01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,840 on Wednesday night, you're going to know the answer. But if you weren't, 1801 01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:59,640 I watched some of it. Okay, So Jannis at that to Kumpo 1802 01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,319 and the Attentakumbo hold the record for the most points scored in the NBA by 1803 01:53:03,399 --> 01:53:09,720 brothers on the same team between twenty nineteen and current day, which set of 1804 01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:15,439 brothers is second all time in total points scored while playing on the same team. 1805 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,720 The Morris Twins with the Phoenix Suns between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen. 1806 01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:26,119 The Wagner Brothers in Orlando between twenty twenty one and current day, the Holiday 1807 01:53:26,119 --> 01:53:30,800 Brothers in Indiana between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, or the Hansboro Brothers 1808 01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:36,399 also in Indiana between twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. I gotta knock off the 1809 01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:40,119 Hansboro Brothers. Not a lot of points to be had there. I don't 1810 01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:45,000 think this is like collective points scored total like total points over that stretch. 1811 01:53:45,279 --> 01:53:48,720 So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the Wagner's number one, and I'm 1812 01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:51,880 gonna go, I mean highest on the list. The more the more I 1813 01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:57,640 after that, and then the Holidays after that, followed by the I can't 1814 01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,840 even remember who the Hamsburg Hans were brothers, so no. The answer so 1815 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:05,840 second all time is the Morris Twins scored two hundred and eighty points together while 1816 01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:11,199 on the Suns. However, the Wagners in Orlando are up above forty eight 1817 01:54:11,319 --> 01:54:13,960 hundred at the moment, I believe I'll throw that up on the screen if 1818 01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,039 I cut it up. So they are inching in on second place, but 1819 01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,960 the Authentic Coopos are firmly in first place with almost eighty nine hundred points, 1820 01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:26,640 most of which shockingly were scored by Jannis. Yeah, Janis has Giannis is 1821 01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:29,479 doing a little bit of the heavy lifting on that one. I'm surprised that 1822 01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,399 the more I guess the Morrises, it makes sense. But like I always 1823 01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,239 was of the mind that when one of them was good, the other wasn't, 1824 01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:38,840 And it fluctuated like who the good Morris was? Like every year or 1825 01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:44,359 two for over ten years, it felt like anyway, okay, uh, 1826 01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:49,319 I have a couple more so, Oh, here's a good one with which 1827 01:54:49,479 --> 01:54:56,800 NBA player has more unassisted dunks for their career? So self created dunks? 1828 01:54:58,119 --> 01:55:05,319 Dearon Fox or Damian Lillard. I'm gonna say, counterintuitively, it's Lillard correct 1829 01:55:05,319 --> 01:55:10,680 one hundred and twenty to one oh nine. Dwayne Wade or Russell Westbrook. 1830 01:55:13,039 --> 01:55:15,000 My heart says Russ. I have to say, Russ, it's not even 1831 01:55:15,039 --> 01:55:18,439 close. It's Dwayne Wade five point forty two to three fifty eight. Wow, 1832 01:55:19,239 --> 01:55:26,079 so underrated. Dwight Howard or Shaquille O'Neal. I'll say, Shack. 1833 01:55:26,199 --> 01:55:29,439 I don't think Howard was posting up a lot. Yeah, that's not even 1834 01:55:29,439 --> 01:55:34,000 close. Shack twelve oh nine to nine fifty for Dwight Giannis Attentacumpo or Lebron 1835 01:55:34,079 --> 01:55:41,880 James. Hmmm, oh man, I'm gonna go Lebron just because of the 1836 01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,840 sheer volume of his career. That was a smart call. Eight ninety six 1837 01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:51,680 to seven sixty seven. Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant. I'm gonna say Kobe 1838 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,840 correct again forty nine to four to fifty seven. Not really that close. 1839 01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:01,119 Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan. Hmmm, I'll say I'll say Garnette. I 1840 01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,800 don't. I'm gonna say Garnett. I don't think Duncan did that. Did 1841 01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:08,560 a whole lot of Duncan. Ironically, it was Duncan three forty one to 1842 01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:15,079 two ninety five, got him by plenty. Anthony Davis or Rudy Gobert with 1843 01:56:15,279 --> 01:56:18,680 so many offensive rebounds. For Rudy, uh, I'm gonna say a d 1844 01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:27,720 correct four sixty five to three ninety four. Carmelo Anthony or Blake Griffin mellow 1845 01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:33,600 by a hair two sixty five to two sixty three. Vince Carter or Andre 1846 01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:40,760 Iguodala. It has to be Vince. It's not Andre Goadala four seventeen to 1847 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:46,800 three eighty four. Unbelievable. Finally, shake Gildes, Alexander or Alan Iverson. 1848 01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:56,079 I'm gonna say SGA correct seventy three to sixty five. Already tight one, 1849 01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,159 tight one, But I mean Iverson played a trillion. He's also smaller. 1850 01:57:00,319 --> 01:57:06,039 I just thought that was interesting that Shay was already up there. Okay, 1851 01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:10,439 I have so this one. Oh, here's an interesting one. Wilt 1852 01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:15,000 Chamberlain owns the NBA record for consecutive games of scoring at least thirty points with 1853 01:57:15,159 --> 01:57:21,600 sixty five. Who has the second longest streak of thirty point games Kobe Bryant, 1854 01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:30,000 Wilt Chamberlain himself, Joel Embiid or James Harden. My first thought before 1855 01:57:30,039 --> 01:57:32,520 you gave me any options was Kobe, So I'm just gonna stick with that. 1856 01:57:33,479 --> 01:57:39,159 The answer is James Harden thirty two straight games. Wilt Chamberlain is in 1857 01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:44,199 third place to Wilt Chamberlain with twenty five. Kobe was fourth at sixteen and 1858 01:57:44,279 --> 01:57:46,840 Joel Embid his fifth at fourteen. I want to say Embiid's on a run 1859 01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:51,840 right now of the most thirty ten games since like Kareem or Wilt or something 1860 01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:56,800 like that. That was the genesis of me just but I figured thirty points 1861 01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:00,680 would be like a little bit more digestible for the audience. So you're welcome 1862 01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,800 to the uh to the audience. So my final batch of ones here, 1863 01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:08,000 which I didn't actually finish, it's partially finished, but I have six, 1864 01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:14,479 so I guess that that works out. So which NBA player has more games 1865 01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:23,399 with at least thirty points in tennisis Oscar Robinson or Russell Westbrook. M I'm 1866 01:58:23,439 --> 01:58:28,880 gonna say Oscar Robertson. That is correct. It is not even close to 1867 01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:33,800 twenty one to eighty four. Wow. James Hardener, Lebron, James thirty 1868 01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:39,119 and ten I'm gonna say Harden, that is correct. One o one to 1869 01:58:39,239 --> 01:58:45,560 ninety seven. It's very close. Luka Doncic or Trey Young. I gotta 1870 01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:50,560 go Luca there incorrect, Trey Young seventy one to sixty one. Oh, 1871 01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:58,560 Damian Lillard or Chris Paul. Hmmm, Paul has been around for so long. 1872 01:58:59,279 --> 01:59:02,760 I think I'm still gonna go. I'm gonna go, Dame. The 1873 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:09,800 answer is Damian Lillard forty nine to forty one. Nice guest, Magic Johnson 1874 01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:14,039 or Michael Jordan. I don't know if Magic's scored. I'm gonna say. 1875 01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:17,720 I'll say Jordan that is incorrect, Magic Johnson fifty eight to thirty eight. 1876 01:59:18,039 --> 01:59:26,880 Wow, pass the ball, MJ. Steph Curry or Alan Iverson. Iverson 1877 01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,560 that is correct. You're really good whenever I pit Steph against somebody. But 1878 01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:38,680 forty seven or thirty five not even really that close. Next one up, 1879 01:59:39,359 --> 01:59:45,880 Kyrie Irving or Jason Kidd. I'm gonna say Jason Kidd, No, incorrect, 1880 01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:49,279 Kyrie Irving sixteen to fifteen. Ooh, tight one. Kobe Bryant or 1881 01:59:49,399 --> 01:59:56,640 John Wall. I gotta go Kobe. It's John Wall nineteen to sixteen. 1882 01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:04,079 Wow, Jannie or John Moran. I'll say Yanni's just volume of career again. 1883 02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:13,239 Fifteen to fourteen by a hair DeMar DeRozan or Tracy McGrady. Oh, 1884 02:00:13,279 --> 02:00:15,520 why do you have to bring Tracy into this? I have to say Tracy 1885 02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:23,039 McGrady. The answer is Tracy McGrady. Eleven to nine, Gilbert Arenas or 1886 02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:32,279 Kevin Durant, Gilbert that is correct, fourteen to twelve. And finally, 1887 02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:41,000 Derek Rose or Kareem abdul Jabbar. This is thirty points and ten assists. 1888 02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:45,319 Yeah, I'm gonna say Derek Rose. All right, it's only nine to 1889 02:00:45,359 --> 02:00:48,039 eight though, so but it is Derek Rose though to be clear, Yeah, 1890 02:00:48,119 --> 02:00:53,720 that answer was correct. 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