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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't wanna go

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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football fun of everybody. I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. You still the same person
I was yesterday, and I got the

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same thing for you that I had
yesterday. You know why I'm here.

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You play to win the game.
You don't play to just play it.

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That's a great thing about sports.
You play to win, and I don't

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care if you don't have any wins. Do you go play to win?

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When you start telling me it doesn't
matter to retire, get out for the

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matters, you know you could use
that Herm Edwards last rip there. That

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doesn't matter if you and I don't
talk about the struggles of the Tigers,

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and then it doesn't matter to you
or I And that's not fair and that's

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not right, because I know it
does matter. Now. The frustration is

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boiling over. It's boiled over for
me for a while. Now. I

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suppose for you it's taken a little
bit longer, but it has to have

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reached that boiling point. Welcome to
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Glad you're with us Meyer Hotline eighty
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Braves complete the sweep of the Tigers in

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a seven to nothing final. Terek
Schooble with his worst outing of the season,

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lasting just four innings, allowing seven
hits, four and runs. Detroit

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has now dropped four in a row. They have been shut out eight times

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this season. They have lost ten
of thirteen. They've scored thirty runs in

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the three wins. That's fantastic,
right, You averaged ten runs per game.

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Nobody can do that for an extended
period of time. But they've averaged

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seventeen runs in the ten losses.
So they're going to be off today and

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they welcome Chicago this weekend. As
we said yesterday, I don't think it

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matters what they do this weekend.
They should beat Chicago up one foul line

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and down the other. That's what
they should do because they're just not good

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man. I mean, they're they're
awful in every facet. But it's not

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going to matter because that's what they're
supposed to do. And if you've listened

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to this show long enough, you've
understood what I've said, and that is

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I don't take things away from people
who win something. It's not fair.

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Winning is hard, takes a lot
of effort. If it were easy,

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so many other teams would be doing
it. So if they beat them,

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you know, I'll tip my cap
to them. And that proverbial stupid saying

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that gets overused way too often.
But it's not going to change my opinion

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of them just yet. There are
certain games, certain series, certain teams

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you got to beat in order for
you to change people's minds. It's no

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different. I say this all the
time. It is really hard to change

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people's minds once you've made an impression, once you've done something that is either

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pissed somebody off or brought them something
with joy, then it's going to be

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hard to turn them around. I
would just remind you this. The Tigers

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yesterday two more errors. Now I
have stressed this while everybody is focused on

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the lack of runs, and there
were no runs yesterday, and people are

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frustrated with the lack of hits,
and I understand that the Tigers make two

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more errors, and I keep talking
about how bad their defense is. Zach

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McKinstry with a throwing air, Krek
Scubell with a throwing air. The pitching

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thing, it's bound to happen.
The throwing air is a part of it.

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You know. The shortstop position for
Detroit has been among the worst we

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have seen in recent memory. Seriously, Zach McKinstry starts at short he goes

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oh for two with two punch outs
and a throwing air doesn't get a whole

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lot worse than that. Then they
bring in Ryan Kriidler to pinch it and

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he goes over too. Look at
the war, look at the winds above

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replacement, look at their defensive war. Tell me you'd be happy with this.

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I mean, these numbers are horrid. It's not working. Haven't built

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anything yet, And the problem with
baseball is it's it's nearly impossible to rebuild

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on the fly. You know,
sure you've got trade deadlines, but what

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you do in the off season is
so important to set the stage for your

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in season push. And we need
to look really close at what the Tigers

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did in the offseason instead of just
looking at names Canna, Urchella, Flaherty,

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my aida, look deep into what
they've brought to this team and what

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you expected this team needed. So
this is not a knock on the new

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players for the Tigers, but what
you needed was not addressed. Period.

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People can blame I mean, even
when the Tigers are losing without the guy

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and he's recently gone through a tough
four game stretch in Toledo, people are

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still blaming Spencer Torkelsen for the tigers
problems certain extent, I get it,

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and I get it because he was
supposed to be a big reason for their

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success this year. When he's not
there, and he's not even on the

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team, when he's not in the
lineup, when he's not on the team,

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it detracts from what your expectations were
to be. Totally understand that,

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but it can't be just one guy. Don't tell me that bringing up Cold

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Keith, signing him to a big
deal you expected two twenty nine. Don't

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tell me that signing Mark Canna,
you expected a three sixty one slug His

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is three seventy five. That's not
what you expected. More importantly, it's

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not what you needed. I bet
that's what they're getting. And there's the

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issue, man, I mean,
that's it in a nutshell. Try to

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break down the numbers. We can
do that all day long, okay,

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Where they rank an average, where
they ranking on base percentage, where they

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rank an ops and slugging and all
this other stuff. And I can go

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on my rants that they don't have
full time players at full time positions,

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too many guys who move all over
the ball field. I can go on

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and on and on about that,
because good teams don't have that. They

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really don't. They have a guy
or two, but they don't have they

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don't have players who aren't married to
the one position. The best teams have

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their everyday guys. So we can
talk about that all day long. But

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what is lost in this, what
has not been a nearly enough is what

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this team needed to do from last
year to this year to make up ground

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in the division, to be better, to be the team to beat in

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the division. They did not do. They did not address as simple as

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that, and we should be noticing
it all season long, not just a

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recent stretch that saw them go one
and five on a six game road trip.

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you Monday through Friday from six to
till nine. Because we mentioned earlier,

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Tigers lose to the Braves seven.
Nothing right. He did see something online

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for people constantly now that Detroit is
stumbling and stumbling and there's all kinds of

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disbelief in this team. I don't
know where it's been. I don't know

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how long it takes you. I
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that Maybe it's the fact that they're
twelve and a half games back. I

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don't know. Maybe it's the fact
that you know they've lost four in a

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row, and as we mentioned before, you know ten of thirteen, and

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the offense continues to sputter. And
even when you get Trek Scubel out there,

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you know you're you're thinking, here's
the ace. And I'm not saying

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he's not an ace because he is
here's the a's he's going to stop the

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bleeding. And he didn't, and
he gave up a He gave up a

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home run to Sean Murphy in opposite
field, bomb a two run shot to

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make it three nothing, and Sean
Murphy has been struggling and then boom,

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And it's pretty obvious. I mean, Schooble didn't have it. Look,

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those things happen with pictures, the
best pictures that happens with Okay, I

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don't care who you're talking about,
but it's happened to them, all right.

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And it's those games where you need
your offense to help you because you've

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helped that offense quite a bit,
and that's why they call it a great

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team sport. But they couldn't get
it done. So I see a lot

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of people online now that the Tigers
have struggled this way, the immediate attention

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goes toward trading people. Let's trade
Tark Scooble and Jack Flaherty and get as

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many prospects as we can. I
don't know if that's the right thing to

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do or not. Okay, that's
not what I'm debating here. My frustration

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is the word prospects. That's what
you want. You want prospects. Wow,

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See I don't want that. I
want major league talent. I don't

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you, And I have no idea
Like this is the thing that frustrates me

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about sports in general. You want
to get rid of a known quantity for

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somebody you think or others think will
be really good someday, someday. This

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is what I get from people all
the time. Tigers are so far away.

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Trade these guys, get as many
good prospects as you can and look

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to the future. Oh okay,
So I mean, think about it for

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a minute. When the Tigers traded
Justin Ferlander, They've got they got three

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of Houston's best or prospects, I
should say, And that's what you're saying,

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you're wanting prospects. That's what they
got. They got Franklin Perez,

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they got Jake Rogers, they got
Daz Cameron, highly thought of prospects in

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the Houston system. Franklin Perez is
out of baseball, Daz Cameron might as

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well be. And Jake Rogers,
you know, another swinging a miss yesterday.

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He's eh and you want to replace
him. That's what you That's what

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you got you got three prospects for
one guy, and then you'll turn around

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and you'll complain that ala Vila got
screwed, he got fleeced. Why did

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he do that? He got three
other best prospects one guys who've been proved

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at guys who've proven it. Give
me some major league talent this team they

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don't need prospects. Screw the prospects. You don't know what they're going to

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hand up. You don't know what
they're going to be like, can you

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give me something now that addresses the
team's needs now, whether you want to

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trade them or not is up to
you. I just don't get the whole

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infatuation with prospects. And it's really
the only sport you do that. It's

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the only sport where fans want prospects
not knowing anything about them. We have

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no idea. I don't know who
they are. You think you do,

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but most of us, I'm saying
most of us now, I don't know.

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You're not following the minor leagues.
You're not following Triple A and Double

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A and how certain guys are doing
there. But you want players who are

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playing in those leagues for somebody who
is legitimately a difference maker. You see

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what you want about Jack Flaherty and
the contract and whether or not you would

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have signed him. He and Derek
Schouoble have been really good and you want

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to get rid of them for prospects. I feel like they like the Allen

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Iverson. We're talking about practice,
man. We're talking about prospects, man,

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That's what we're talking about. And
then you'll have somebody chime in and

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you'll say, oh, you know
what I mean, here's what you really

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need. You need to trade him
to the Orioles, and then here's what

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you need in return. I want
to get fill in the blank, a

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certain type of player. I want
Jordan Westburg. Oh, well, join

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the crowd. Thanks a lot.
Jordan Westburg's a lee player. He's also

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the one of the key guys for
Baltimore moving forward, along with Gunnar Henderson

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and along with Colton Kowser. Those
guys are all really important moving forward.

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They're not sacrificing that type of player. You're talking about Baltimore's farm system because

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they've been able to bring up certain
guys Adlie Rushman, Henderson, Kowser,

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Westbert. You think they've got depth
and they do according to all the Minor

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League Baseball slash Major League Baseball that
focuses on minor league farm systems, all

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those websites, maybe they're just blocked
in their organization. You want to trade

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your best player for prospects. That's
where our philosophies differ at this stage,

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because the Tigers got prospects too.
I'm not buying it, but maybe it's

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just rearing its ugly head because of
yesterday, Just like recently when the Houston

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Astros bought out and said goodbye to
jose A bray You this past weekend,

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a bray You who had signed a
three year, fifty eight million dollar contract

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with Houston and had thirty million to
go on it, and Houston bought it

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out. They said enough. So
immediately people think, well, if Houston's

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willing to do it, and the
Tigers willing to do it, Houston has

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one of the higher payrolls in baseball, the Tigers don't. He's thirty seven

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and has the two years for remaining
on the contract and the Tigers. Everybody

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wants to know, well, if
they're willing to do that, then why

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in the world would the Tigers not
be willing to do that with Javier Bias.

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As I said, one is thirty
seven, the other's thirty one.

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One had two years left on his
contract, the other has three years left

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on his deal. Well four if
you include this year, okay, two

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for a brave you, this year
next for Bias, it's this year,

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twenty five, twenty six, and
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right, a lot of money left
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spent money, the other has an
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don't like being the guy who said
I told you so. But when the

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Pistons went out and hired Monty Williams, I said, almost verbatim. I

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don't like it because in order for
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money. In other words, the
only reason he's getting here in Detroit and

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really back into coaching because he said
he was going to take some time away.

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The only reason is because of money. If that's your driving force,

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when you've already made millions, if
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red flag. And obviously that is
the case. The Pistons are going to

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have to eat about sixty five million
dollars now. Tom Gores is willing to

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do that. I gave him a
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many sports fans in this state want
Chris Illich to eat the millions of dollars

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for hobby or bias. And I
get it. I get why you think

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that personally, it would be really
hard for me to swallow, you know,

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eating eighty three million dollars over the
next four years. I'm talking twenty

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five this year, twenty five,
next, twenty four and twenty four,

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so it's really over ninety million dollars. Anyway. Those people want him to

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eat that, and I understand why, and they call him cheap or a

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bad owner if he doesn't. Tom
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over the guy he personally lured,
the guy he identified and wanted. He

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didn't like his choices. He didn't
like that Kevin Ali was being brought to

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him by his management team. No
thanks. I want somebody established. I

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want somebody who's one coach of the
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Credentials were, I don't know what
he felt like needed to be accomplished

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for his next head coach. But
he's the one who said, I've got

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to go out and get somebody who
other teams would have wanted. I want

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to beat somebody out in this regard, and he did so. He lures

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Monty Williams to Detroit with a six
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dollar contract. At the time,
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And again we talk about not willing
to spend bad ownership. Oh he's

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not going to spend money. Time
gorz is wont to spend doesn't make them

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a good owner. This is what
I've said time and time again. Spending

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more money doesn't mean you're going to
be a better team. We need to

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get that out of our heads.
How do you spend the money on?

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Whom do you spend the money?
See the illeg organizations will tell you,

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oh, we spend money when we
spend it on improving the ballpark, a

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team playing, improving our analytics,
helping out our younger players down in the

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minor leagues. That is not what
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They want to hear you spend money
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to see it on the field of
play. They don't care about City connect

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uniforms, they don't care about the
upgrade facilities down in Lakeland because it's not

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affecting them. They want to know
what's going to affect them April through October

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at Comerica Park. That's what they
want to know. Now, Why they

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don't get that. Why an organization
doesn't understand that is beyond me. I

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don't know how you cannot be in
tune with what your fan base is screaming

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for. Put a product on the
field. Everything else is ancillary. But

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for the Pistons, their owner,
who has not endeared himself to the fan

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base because he's in Los Angeles right
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There's a disconnect. Fair enough,
I get it. I can't say

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that I haven't felt that same emotion. But he is a guy who is

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willing to say, you know what, Trajan Langdon is going to be in

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charge of handling this franchise moving forward. I mean when Troy Weaver was hired,

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everybody was excited. They were,
yeah, we got a guy who

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got a young, up and coming
guy. People were just exuberant over the

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possibilities there moving on getting a guy
who is young and hip and knows what

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the NBA is all about. That
experiment blew up in your face. So

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now you dip and you start all
over again. And Trajan Langdon is obviously

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told Tom Gores, I got to
bring him my own guy. That's a

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tough pill to swallow. Man,
Tom Gores a year ago. He's telling

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everybody, I got the best coach
on the market. Other teams wanted him,

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they couldn't get him. I got
him. I had to overspend for

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him. But you know what,
I'm the guy who got it done.

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Now he's out and he's going to
make more money not coaching than he would

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be coaching. In the end,
he got what he wanted money. Williams

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wanted to break from everything. He's
going to get that break. But he's

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going to do it with sixty plus
million extra dollars. Not a bad gig

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man does not have to work another
day in his life. Does it bother

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him that the Pistons set an NBA
record of twenty eight consecutive losses. Yes.

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Doesn't bother him that they set a
franchise record for fewest number of wins

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fourteen? Yes? Does it bother
him that the Pistons are now a punchline

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when it comes to jokes about the
city and about basketball. It should,

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and perhaps at some point he'll be
like, you know what, I can't

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take this anymore. I've got to
redeem myself. I've got to fix my

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reputation. I was supposed to take
a seventeen win team and turn them into

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at least a thirty win team,
and instead he took a seventeen win team

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and made him into a fourteen win
team. Think about how long it's been

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since you've actually cheered for Pistons basketball. Twenty wins, twenty wins, twenty

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three wins, seventeen wins, fourteen
wins. That's epic feutality, man,

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epic. They had the third worst
point differential in the NBA. They had

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the sixth worst defensive rating in the
NBA. So the Pistons are going to

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eat sixty five mil a team that
has just one winning season since twenty sixteen,

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just two playoff appearances over the last
fifteen years. That's what you have.

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That's how bad it has been.
But he made the right call.

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He brought in a guy, and
he said, in order for me to

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have a guy that other people wanted. This is very familiar if to us,

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isn't it You wanted Troy Weaver or
some liked that with that type of

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cachet, You got him and it
didn't work out. Same thing with Trajan

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Landon. I'm not saying it's going
to end the same way. I'm just

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giving you a heads up. This
is how things work in sports. You

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want somebody, and I want a
change too. I'm not going to put

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a name and a face to the
change I wanted because I wasn't positive that

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Trajan Langdon would be the right guy. Who am I to say? This

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is the stuff that we debate about
all the time. Chap, you know

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who I want as the next head
coach? Who Chauncey Billups? Oh okay,

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why well, he hit that big
shot. He's a great piston.

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How do you do in Portland?
Not very well? Maybe it's too small

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to sample size, but perhaps,
just perhaps we would have been wrong about

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that, right. Yeah, I
think that's fair. You bring in a

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guy like Monte Williams, who has
taken a team to the Western Conference Finals,

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coach of the year. I would
remind you that Dwayne Casey was coach

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of the year, took a team
to the Eastern Conference finals and the Toronto

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Raptors. What happens. Gotta have
talent on the floor, man, I

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mean, did Monte Williams do some
things that were ridiculous? Yeah? He

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sure did. He did some things
that you and I both questioned at the

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time, and rightfully so, you
and I were like, wait, why

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are you Why in the world are
you doing this at this time of the

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year. In other words, why
in the world are you choosing to play

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Killian Hayes over j n Ivy.
That makes no sense. Why are you

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playing a full second unit at this
time of the year. It makes no

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sense. I remind people this before
you try to figure out who the next

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head coach should be. It's not
like Monty Williams was the second coming of

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pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Red
Aurbacher, Chuck Day. He's been a

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coach for ten years in the NBA. Five times he's taken his team to

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the playoffs. He had a losing
record in twenty twelve in New Orleans,

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in twenty thirteen in New Orleans,
in twenty fourteen in New Orleans, he

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had a losing record with his sons
in Now you get a Phoenix team that's

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got some talent. Of course he's
going to have some winning records, and

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credit to him, I mean kudos
to him. Let him to the Western

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Conference championship. He never won a
title as a head coach, but some

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of the things that he did.
You think back and you go, who

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in their right mind thought that was
a good idea. It's easy to armchair

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quarterback. I understand that too,
but these are some of the things at

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least I was saying about Monty Williams
going in on top of all that his

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style of play or his team style
of play. And maybe this isn't always

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on the head coach because a lot
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But it's boring. I mean,
they were a boring product. That's

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really too bad. But there was
all kinds of confusion about what he did

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and what direction there was. There
was really never a point that you looked

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at and you said, I see
where they're going now. You couldn't identify

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it. So I give Tom Gor's
credit. I understand that Trajan Langdon has

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decided. I mean, the timing's
a little odd. You got the NBA

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Draft a week away. But my
guess is it wouldn't matter who the head

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coach is for Trajan Langdon. Anyway, he's got an idea because he's been

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preparing for this. Don't kid yourself. I mean, these guys aren't just

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going, oh, hey, I
got a job, now I can start

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prepping. No, they've been doing
this all along. They're well ahead of

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the game, So I don't worry
about that. He knows who he wants,

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he knows who he thinks would be
best at number five if they keep

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the number five pick, and we'll
talk more about that with James Edwards from

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the Athletic at a thirty five.
So I don't worry about that. The

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timing is a little strange. Perhaps
they were waiting for Boston to eliminate Dallas

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for a couple of different reasons.
Maybe just maybe James barrego Is, who's

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a Celtics assistant, is a guy
who's on their list. Maybe just maybe

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Sean Sweeney, who's a Dallas assistant, is on their list. Maybe they're

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waiting for the broadcast team to finish
up, and JJ Reddick is on their

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list. I don't know, but
the time is a little strange. That

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said, he's got a short list, guaranteed, he's got a short list

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already. How short that is,
I'm not sure. I guess somewhere in

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the neighborhood five. Maybe Chris Quinn, the Miami assistant who's highly thought of,

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Maybe he's on the list. Maybe
Darvin Ham, which leads us to

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our poll question for the day on
axes and bros. What do you want

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an a Piston's next head coach?
Do you want a current young assistant coach?

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People love that stuff. They love
the vibrant they I don't want to

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see retreads, Sep. That's what
I get all the time. I don't

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want to retread. I would remind
you, not that you're wrong, but

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I would remind you that retreads are
what helped win championships in this town.

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Chuck Daily was a retread. Based
on many people's definition, Chuck Daily was

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a retread. Larry Brown was a
retread. Scotty Bowman was a retread.

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Mike Babcock was a retread. Dan
Campbell, although was on an interim basis,

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is a bit of a retread.
Sparking Anderson was a retread. Jim

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Leland was a retread. Find me
the guy who's not Who's the guy who

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breaks the mold? They're not there? So you want that? Okay,

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that's fine, you want It's almost
like it's more important. This goes back

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to the Tiger discussion we were having
about Flarity or schoobl people. I'll get

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rid of Flarity. He's only got
one year left on his deal. Scooble

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after two years. He's he can
be a free agent, but you don't

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want to get rid of him because
he's homegrown. Right. You don't care

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about the retreads in Detroit if they're
winning, But you don't want another retread

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for a Pistons head coach because you
haven't won. You think it'll feel better

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if it's a young guy who leads
them, who cares. I just want

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the best coach. I want a
guy who's got a vision. I want

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a guy who's got a plan.
I want a guy who's gonna play eight

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nine guys and keep that rotation and
develop those guys. So who do you

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