1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,919 Starborn Support presents the fourth annual Experience or Speak Conference, a UFO conference focused 2 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:09,720 on the abductee experience phenomenon, featuring well known speakers in the field, August 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,759 twenty eighth and twenty nine at fireside In in Sweets, Portland. There is 4 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:16,519 no other conference just for and about experiencers. What you hear and see will 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,079 leave you speechless. To register and find out more info, visit Experience or 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,399 Speak dot yolasite dot com. Experience or Speak Conference Friday August twenty eighth and 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,359 Saturday August twenty ninth, fireside In in Sweets Riverside Street, Portland. That's 8 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:33,520 experiencers speak dot yolasite dot com. And it hits me, Oh my gosh, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,759 this is a triangle. You know, there's explanation for everything that occurred 10 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:40,799 in the Randallsham Pars concident. It doesn't involve aliens at all. It was 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:48,280 completely silent. It comes right over our heads. Ulcery is stunning in the 12 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:51,000 cleary. He turned over to my father and held his hand, and he 13 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:58,600 looks in his eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO 14 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:03,799 for our live show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,359 on the Dark Matter Radio Network. Please remember to visit the website podcast UFO 16 00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:14,640 dot com for past episodes, blogs and forums. During the show, feel 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,799 free to participate live in our chat room, and don't forget to like us 18 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:23,359 on our very active Facebook page. Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,000 I'm Martin and willis your host. We have Alejandro Rojas coming up in 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:32,799 just a minute before that. Our guest tonight is John Kelly. He's from 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Vancouver. His website is your Inner Voice dot com. Interesting guy. We 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,319 had him on early in the show about three years ago and I thought he 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,319 was interesting enough to ask back. He'll be on for two hours. We 24 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:52,439 were able to take calls. That's at six h three nine six seven, 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,599 four h three zero. You can jump in the chat room two and ask 26 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:57,879 some questions. I want to thank all the supporters. We had a lot 27 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,879 of supporters last week. Come aboard. I thank you very much. Now 28 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:05,040 I did say that, and I will stick true to my word. I'm 29 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,439 going to send out T shirts to anyone who supports for ten dollars or more 30 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:12,039 a month. The question I have for the people and you're welcome to email 31 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,400 me at Martin at podcast UFO dot com is I'm having new graphics made down 32 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:21,199 in New York City. A person down there is making a new graphics, 33 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,919 going to make a really nice T shirt. I can send the ones I 34 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:24,919 have now, or you can wait for the better ones. It's up to 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,000 you. Let me know, send me an email. And we appreciate every 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,439 single listener, whether you can help us out or not. But for only 37 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:35,400 a dollar or more per month, you can listen to the second part of 38 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,360 the show. And that's enough babbling for me this evening. And now it's 39 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,960 time to bring on the missing. He's been missing for two weeks. He's 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,439 back. Alejandro Rojas, how are you good? But I'm not talking unless 41 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:53,639 you promised me a T shirt? It's a strike, you mean, didn't 42 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,199 I give you one? I want one of these new ones? Oh okay, 43 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,439 well they're they're not made yet. The graphic are being drawn up right 44 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:07,159 now as we speak. When they are made, will I get one better 45 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:09,560 or I'm not? I'm done? Oh yeah, sure, yeah, absolutely, 46 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:16,039 yeah yeah. See I've learned that from striking from the unions and the 47 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:23,400 story. So I'm a one man UFO News union. Are you paying your 48 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:28,240 union dues? I do. Okay, we all do. Yes, we 49 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:35,960 all pay our dudes. I pay my UFO dudes by putting up stories and 50 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,120 then having trolls come around. And no, actually there's more than just trolls. 51 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,240 There are lots of very, very very pleasant people that are fun to 52 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,120 talk to. But yeah, so these are some interesting stories, and I 53 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,319 think you know you and I talked a bit about them on Monday, a 54 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,360 couple of them. Before we get going on that, I just wanted to 55 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,639 ask you right now. I've heard the proceed I don't know how to say 56 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:01,199 that. The meteor showers that's going on, I've heard that it's really really 57 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,680 great in Arizona. Have you had a chance to check it out. I 58 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:12,800 have not. We have had haboobs and burst what they call them, like 59 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,759 a something like a burst storm, microburst, that's what they call them. 60 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,879 Oh, the weather, it's been really weird. Today it's great, but 61 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:26,120 yesterday in the morning we had this rain and this haboob that came through and 62 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,879 a haboob. If you don't know, I mean, there is that that 63 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:31,800 movie with the horse. They're always really worse on TV where people die and 64 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,839 everything, but they're dust a big dust storm that comes through, and they're 65 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:42,199 usually accompanied by wind, and they're really weird because there's usually lightning and I 66 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,959 didn't know this inside of these storms because it's the big dust clouds, Yeah, 67 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,920 are creating all these statics, So there's lightning going back and forth, 68 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:55,639 and it's really wild. But yeah, we had one of those yesterday that 69 00:04:55,879 --> 00:05:00,560 was accompanied by some really strong winds, and that was at nighttime. So 70 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:10,920 I hurriedly went into my home Encoward in a corner and actually I think I 71 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,439 looked at emails and stuff regarding this exciting UFO s Roy I'm going to talk 72 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:21,040 to you about but yet. So we didn't have much visibility yesterday, but 73 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,759 hopefully we will today and that would be great to see, because I hear 74 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,439 you can literally see hundreds in an hour if you're in a good place where 75 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,399 you don't have a lot of light. Anyone anywhere. I mean, there's 76 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:39,079 so many of them that they might even be able to see them once in 77 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:43,600 a while in New York City in between the skyscrapers. Yeah, we've had 78 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:47,079 really bad weather here in Maine for the last several days, but it's just 79 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,959 clearing out tonight. So after the show, I might take a look. 80 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,439 You should. That'd be really exciting and it would be interesting to see if 81 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:00,959 there are more UFO reports. I wouldn't doubt that would be the case. 82 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,319 You know, a lot of people would say, oh, yeah, there's 83 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:06,600 you know, people's imaginations or whatever. But when you get more eyes in 84 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:11,079 the sky, you never know. That's how I yeah, yeah, yeah, 85 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:15,120 exactly. So what's going on for news? And welcome back? Yeah, 86 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:20,160 thank you very much. It was a very nice relaxing break. I 87 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,879 got to hang out at the beach and also go on a ghost tour in 88 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:30,079 San Diego, so that was a lot of fun. But as far as 89 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,319 UFO stuff, you know, some of the stuff I've posted since This is 90 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:39,519 a story from Roger Marsh from mouf On. This was submitted to mouf on 91 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,480 And this is a weird video and you had brought it up on my show 92 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:47,959 about a UFO video in Indonesia. It was actually allegedly recorded on my birthday, 93 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:54,040 July seventeenth, over Jakarta. And it's kind of weird. You see 94 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:59,560 this strange really, you know, it's hard to see object that's kind of 95 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,360 floating in the skuy. You would think at first it's a balloon or something 96 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:05,839 mundane, but then it has kind of these weird movements back and forth. 97 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:12,000 One strange thing is at the the witness says it moves slowly at a constant 98 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,800 speed, but in the video you can certainly see that that's not the case. 99 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:20,720 That it kind of makes this weird movement. The weird movement makes me 100 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,279 think maybe it's a hoax, but I'm not sure. They say that move 101 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,839 On is investigating. But kind of an interesting video there. You thought it 102 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,959 was pretty interesting, right, I still do, and but you know, 103 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,360 I mean, the unfortunate thing is anything can be faked these days, and 104 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,279 it would be a shame if that one, in particular is, because it 105 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,879 really does show something pretty wild. And these links will be in our show 106 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:55,279 notes that will take you over to open mind dot tv where the articles are 107 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:58,959 and you can actually watch the video over there. Yeah, yeah, come 108 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,920 on over and sit a spell and watch UFO videos with us. We got 109 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,000 more than that one, but it's not a up and we got an exciting 110 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,480 one I'm going to talk about next or after this story, but I just 111 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:15,199 want to bring this story up because I think it's really cool and it's kind 112 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,680 of it's kind of silly in a way in that it's a story that has 113 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:26,759 been pushed recently by the Telegraph and the Daily Express, two UK newspapers that 114 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:33,000 write about UFOs often, especially the Daily Express. They've been writing about UFOs 115 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:37,519 practically every day, ay, I think it has been every day for the 116 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,519 last few months, and thankfully they have written about open mind stories. The 117 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,679 reason I'm bringing this up is that, you know, we often talk about 118 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,320 how the news doesn't do their due diligence, and for some reason the Telegraph 119 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,039 and the Daily Express is talking about these new released UFO files from Scotland Yard. 120 00:08:54,200 --> 00:09:03,279 Essentially the UK Metropolitan Police is their technical name, but actually doctor David 121 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:09,399 Clark, who's a lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hullam University, says he got 122 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:16,240 these VIAFOYA in two thousand and five, so he's the reason that these documents 123 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:20,159 got released, and he wrote about them in a book and he put him 124 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,480 out in two thousand and five. I don't know why the Daily Express and 125 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:28,879 Telegraph are saying they're new, but he was writing about the Special Branch. 126 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,320 They're in charge of national security. They're part of Scotland Yard and they've been 127 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:46,679 investigating ufoers. More recently, they've been investigating UFO enthusiasts, especially since ninety 128 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:52,799 seven and ninety eight, and this was due to Heaven's Gate, that group 129 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,240 where they committed suicide. They decided these guys committed suicide, so they ought 130 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:01,799 to start watching these people who are in UFOs and stuff, just in case, 131 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,039 you know, there's any more cult being created. So they're looking at 132 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:11,559 people who watch The X Files and Star Trek you know those Trekki's, which 133 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,840 you know often Trekis are very strange. I think you'd probably agree with that, 134 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:24,000 but aren't you. Well no, I'm da laughing. I had Roger 135 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Nygard who did a documentary called The trek E's and he was on the show. 136 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,399 He's actually a skeptic, and so he's on one of our shows. 137 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,600 But if you watch that show it's on Netflix called Treks, you really do 138 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:43,519 about that? Yeah, you do see some very h some real characters for 139 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,639 sure. Absolutely, And I'm kidding because I'm a bit of a Treking myself. 140 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Definitely, And you know one of the other shows they watch. You 141 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,399 probably had Bryce Zabo on I think, but a friend. He's written a 142 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,240 book with Richard Dolan, a great guy. He did a TV series called 143 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,320 Dark Skies that was kind of an answer to X Files. I think it 144 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,679 was NBC. I should have looked this up. I keep forgetting and it 145 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,759 was about MJ twelve and everything, But that was listed in their documents as 146 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,559 well, so they didn't find anything, essentially, but they had decided to 147 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,440 keep an eye on them in these official records. What's also interesting, and 148 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,639 they called it, you know, upologists, that they were looking at upologists. 149 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:35,360 But what's really cool, older files also show that they kept an eye 150 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,240 on other UFO organizations, mainly because they thought they might be related to communists 151 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,279 because as you probably know, you know, in the fifties there were lots 152 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:48,200 of contacts and the contacties we're talking about, you know, we shouldn't use 153 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,440 nukes and we need you know, peace and love, and they thought, 154 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,960 you know, and of course right wingers anytime you talk about peace and love, 155 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,840 they think, oh, these are communists. So that's kind of what 156 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,799 happened, and that and the right wingers actually got the police involved with looking 157 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,639 at especially at one cult in particular I and I hesitate to call it a 158 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:18,399 cult because really that's kind of a negative sort of term. If you look 159 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,840 it up these days. But this was a UFO religion essentially that had started 160 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:26,679 called the Arthurians. It started by a guy named George King who said he 161 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:33,039 was channeling aliens, an alien called Arthurius, and they even let him do 162 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,240 this on TV. And like the late fifties, so they were being watched 163 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,279 to see if perhaps they were being you know, they were communists and pushing 164 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,840 a communist kind of movement, but their movement was not so much about communism. 165 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,320 It was about no notes and it was also about releasing UFO information. 166 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,480 So according to doctor Clark, these were the first people to have a UFO 167 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:07,200 disclosure March. And this happened also in the late fifties. Yeah kind of 168 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:11,840 idea. Wow, Yeah, the first people to do it. And so 169 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:18,080 they were some UFO activists and supposedly I guess some of the people from the 170 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,879 Special Branch went there to watch. I guess there were a lot of people 171 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,960 that were watching. But once the guy started giving his speeches, everybody went 172 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,080 away and they lost interest. Is there a little four year old Stephen Bassett 173 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:37,879 there? There might have been. I don't no, but I doubt it. 174 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:39,240 This was quite some time ago. I don't know how old he is, 175 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,039 but it was who knows. Maybe it was kind of a joke, 176 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,480 but yeah, sorry, yeah, you know, I realized it was a 177 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:56,159 joke. Okay, but all right, I really screw that up. I'm 178 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:01,279 gonna add it that. You don't have to leave it in all Okay, 179 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:05,559 I dare you. I'll leave all of this in. I promise. Oh, 180 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,799 all right, I'm not going to edit one thing in this news. 181 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,399 You've got to be bold. Yeah. Well, it's you know, if 182 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,320 I do the news prerecorded like this and I don't edit it, it's just 183 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:18,679 as good as being live, I think. Yeah, then it's really the 184 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:26,080 same thing, because I try to do very very little editing at all, 185 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,000 because I like it to have that life feel and those awkward pauses, like 186 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:33,720 you know, because sometimes I know how you are. I will pause and 187 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,279 not say anything on purpose so that you kind of squirm there and you giggle 188 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:45,720 or something, and I'm very entertained by your reaction and your uneasiness, and 189 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:48,879 so I hope the audiences as well. Yeah, thank you for that. 190 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:56,159 Yeah, the last story though, this has been the excitement for the last 191 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,559 couple of days for me, and actually I've been so keeping my eye on 192 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:07,279 this story for like a year a long time, and I mean behind the 193 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,159 scenes kind of look, not just what everybody else had seen because we had 194 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:16,399 written about this. But this has to do with a video that was released 195 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:24,039 that was leaked that allegedly had come from the Department of Homeland Security, and 196 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,279 it's from Puerto Rico and it's you see this fleaar, you know, and 197 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,320 you see all the telemetry like you would have from a military or law enforcement 198 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:39,039 kind of video following this object. Now, this video, a poor copy 199 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,240 of this video was released about a year ago. It was somehow leaked. 200 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,919 This Puerto Rican Ufo researcher got to put it online, but he had the 201 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,360 information all wrong. He said it was a helicopter. He said all this 202 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:54,279 stuff, and there was very little data that came along with it. You 203 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,320 just had the video and this guy thought it was a helicopter, and there 204 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,879 was some back and forth. Then actually a few months ago, a higher 205 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:07,279 resolution was posted by John Greenwald from the Black Vault because he received a high 206 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:14,679 resolution copy with an anonymous letter. And it turns out some of the details 207 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,519 in this anomalous letter were accurate. So this person had some inside knowledge. 208 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:26,879 So I suspect personally that whoever gave this to Greenwald was someone from this base, 209 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:30,879 and it seems that people on this base were really excited about this video. 210 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,919 The person who emailed Greenwald also emailed these researchers that I'm going to refer 211 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,519 to in a minute that I've been working with, and they said in their 212 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,559 letter, this is proof that there's aliens. There's an alien base in Puerto 213 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:51,480 Rico. Kind of interesting. But what happened is these guys have been working 214 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:53,879 at on this this whole time, for over a year. There's a group 215 00:16:53,879 --> 00:17:02,720 of researchers that were approached by a witness and that's all I can say. 216 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,799 And this witness was an acquaintance of the pilot who worked for the Customs and 217 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:15,480 Borders Patrol, which is a department of the Homeland Security in Puerto Rico. 218 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:22,200 So this pilot and his crew were flying in a routine flight. They circled 219 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,920 around the airport a couple of times, but when they took off for their 220 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,599 flight, they saw a light over the ocean to the north. They called 221 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,920 it into the tower because the tower didn't tell them that there was any traffic 222 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,119 in the area. The tower said, we don't see anything on radar. 223 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:45,079 However, we have a visual of that object as well. When the object 224 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:52,319 came close to the coast, the lights turned off, and luckily it's about 225 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,960 that time that the aircraft, which is a DHC eight, A DASH eight 226 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,680 is kind of the the name for this seeing the nickname for it. It's 227 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,319 a propeller plane, fixed wing. It had a flear system on it, 228 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,559 a thermal imaging system, and at the time that the lights went off, 229 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:19,319 it was able to begin tracking this object. So they flew around the base 230 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,680 a couple of times and then moved out to the south, all the while 231 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:27,160 tracking this object. They tracked it for a little less than three minutes, 232 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:37,359 and this high resolution video was then shared with these researchers and they investigated it 233 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,359 for over a year to research who these people are, to verify that it 234 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,799 did come from Homeland Security, which they have verified. They also did a 235 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:51,559 FOYA to get radar data to see if the radars were detecting the object. 236 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:59,000 They were not, but they did detect the DHC eight the border patrol craft, 237 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,920 of course, and that was helpful because even though there's telemetry in this 238 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,200 video showing where the aircraft is this just verifies that, you know, that's 239 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,160 not a hoax, that someone didn't hoax this video and it's all an elaborate 240 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:17,960 CGI. It verifies that plane was in that place at that time. The 241 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:21,680 pilot also, or the acquaintance to the pilot, who is the main source 242 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,319 for these guys, said that there was a plane that was delayed taking off 243 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,839 from this airport because it was an airport this object flew over because of this 244 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,000 own known in the area, and in the flight logged you can indeed see 245 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:40,839 there was a plane that was delayed at that exact time. So everything that 246 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,680 the witness had said, I'll checked out. These guys were able to verify 247 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,839 this was an acquaintance of the pilot that this guy. They didn't disclose where 248 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,519 this guy worked, but they said he was someone who would be in the 249 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,640 know. They were able to verify all of this, and you know, 250 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,160 you kind of got to then trust the re searchers and that they've done a 251 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,559 good job verifying that. But these are people I've known for years, are 252 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:11,160 some of the best I think researchers in this field. So are you able 253 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,079 to disclose who they are? Yes, I can, because now they've released 254 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,960 this document. Just yesterday they released it and luckily they let me have a 255 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,440 preview so I could write a story and summarize it so I could help them 256 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,039 get the word out and tell people about them releasing it. But they released 257 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:32,920 their one hundred and sixty two page analysis and I've summarized it in my story. 258 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,200 But the people are a lot of them work with Moufon, although this 259 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,720 was done outside of Moufon, and they want to be very clear about that, 260 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,319 and mostly it's because the witnesses didn't want it to be part of mouf 261 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,359 On. The witnesses are very scared about any repercussions, so they only wanted 262 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:56,200 a very few people to be involved. This was first given to a lady 263 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:03,440 who's actually a mouf On investigator and also a famous Cuban born science fiction and 264 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:07,640 fantasy writer. She's like the best selling Cuban fantasy and science fiction writer, 265 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:14,480 I believe, but she's very popular. Dana Chaviano is her name. She 266 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,039 was the first one that was approached by their source, so she went to 267 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,200 essentially her Moufon boss, which is Morgan bl I don't know if you've talked 268 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:29,839 to him. He's a Florida Moufon guy who runs that chapter there, and 269 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,079 they decided then to put together a small group of friends, including Rich Hoffman 270 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,880 who works in the defense industry. He's also a Moufon state director I think 271 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:45,119 for Alabama, I forget which state. And then they also got involved Robert 272 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,759 Powell, who is a director of research for Moufon. They got a couple 273 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:56,200 other guys involved also with some science background. One of them is a physicist, 274 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,680 and so this was a core group that did this long investigation and they 275 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:07,480 determined what the witnesses believed and had said. The witnesses said this thing had 276 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:15,319 flown from the ocean over the airport and then back out into the ocean, 277 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:21,039 and that it went through the water, and that it moved very quickly through 278 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:26,920 the water and then split into that's what the thermal imaging video appears to show. 279 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,920 This group did some research to figure out where this object was and its 280 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,960 flight path in order to determine its speed, and they determined that it was 281 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,960 going around eighty miles per hour on average, but at times it was going 282 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,839 one hundred plus in the air and through the water, that it went into 283 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:53,480 the water and barely slowed down at all. There you can barely see I 284 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:59,799 think a couple of light splashes when it's by the water, But I mean 285 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,680 that's what it peers this thing's doing, so it's really strange. A lot 286 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,599 of investigators and researchers have looked at this. Prior to this report coming out, 287 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,640 there was a lot of speculation and on a lot of people who had 288 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:18,599 done some research based solely off the video and the telemetry in the video. 289 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:23,519 Some of those researchers, not all of them, but some like Mark D'Antonio 290 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,799 and at least one or two other people I've seen online determined that the object 291 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:34,920 was a balloon. What they said was that the aircraft is moving around around 292 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:40,640 this object, so the background is moving very quickly. So even though it 293 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,759 looks like the object is moving quickly, it's not. It's moving very slowly, 294 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:48,559 and it's just a balloon. I just interrupt you right there. Yes, 295 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,839 I that's the first thing I thought when I watched the video two except 296 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,079 when it gets to the water, that doesn't make any sense when it comes 297 00:23:57,079 --> 00:24:00,599 to what it is doing in the water, it's like going in and out 298 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:07,440 of the water, barely making splashes and moving really fast. So I agree 299 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,559 when it's up in the air or the first thing I thought, well, 300 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:14,720 it looks like it could be a balloon turning and twisting, and possibly the 301 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:19,440 background from an airplane aircraft being going by it, you know, it could 302 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,359 make it look like it was moving faster than it was. But how do 303 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,200 you explain How would Mark D'Antonio And I'm glad to hear that he's he's at 304 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,839 it again, but how would he explain it going through the water. He 305 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,359 hasn't finished his analysis, but I've gone back and forth with him on that 306 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,759 because I agree with you it looks like it's going into the water. The 307 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,119 researchers who are calling them, they posted their researcher, by the way, 308 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:49,079 on a website called the Scientific Coalition for Uthology, where if they do further 309 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,039 studies like this, they'll post more stuff. So SCU is how I'll refer 310 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:59,759 to them going forward. But they say it looks like it's going into the 311 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,160 water, And everybody said it was going into the water because it was going 312 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,640 into the water, and that they've been able to demonstrate because of the reaction 313 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,839 of the thermal and where you see some light and dark patches that shows there 314 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,839 was some splashing, and it was going into the water. So I asked 315 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,079 Mark to say, how it looks like it's going into the water. He 316 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,319 says it's not. He says that with these sorts of radar, it's detecting 317 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:33,039 thermal so the object is really dark through most of this video. But when 318 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,599 the background is as similar temperature as the object, then the colors will be 319 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,680 similar and the object will seem to disappear. I have a problem with that 320 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:48,000 because the only times this seems to happen, the object only seems to disappear 321 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,119 when it appears like it's going behind trees or it appears like it's going through 322 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,079 water. If this effect was happening, why does it only happen around the 323 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,400 trees around the water. That doesn't make sense to me, especially because the 324 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,519 trees and the water are not going to be The trees are probably not going 325 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,240 to be much different than the ground in temperature. If anything, they'd probably 326 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,640 be cooler, same with the water. The water would be cooler, so 327 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,759 you would think that the difference between the object and the water would be more 328 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,759 drastic, not less. And while it's going over the water and it seems 329 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,720 to be above the water, it is much more. There is more contrast 330 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,880 between the object and the background, so it appears to go through the water 331 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:37,119 and through the trees. It looks like that's what it's doing. And so 332 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,039 that was my thing with it, because you know, people speculated a balloon, 333 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,119 but this object did seem to move pretty quickly, and it does move 334 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:51,920 from one point to another, and it seems to move through trees and at 335 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,279 one point be over land and one point over water. So what the scu 336 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,519 had found, you know, seems more like it's going on in the video, 337 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:07,599 but market so far as sticking to that, it's a visual effect and 338 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,559 he's doing more analysis to determine if he's right. Well, please give my 339 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,759 best to him. I'm glad to hear he's back at it. For anyone 340 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:19,559 that doesn't know, Mark or t'antonio had some serious health issues and we're all 341 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,240 pulling for him, and looks sounds like he's he's getting back to it. 342 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,480 So I'm glad to hear that. So are you going to be doing a 343 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,240 podcast about this next week? Is that is? Yeah? All right? 344 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,400 Today my Monday podcast will be about this. I'll have Robert and Morgan on 345 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,079 the show and we'll talk about it. Also, our UFO update for next 346 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,480 week will be about this because there are more developments, there's more people looking 347 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:48,039 at it, including other scientific organizations. Wow, which would have had a 348 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:52,359 positive response. They think the report's good and they think it's an extraordinary case, 349 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:59,799 so that's very positive. So it's looking it's really really interesting. I 350 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:04,759 think these guys did an amazing job, and I think when of the trouble. 351 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200 It takes some time to go through one hundred and sixty two page report, 352 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,880 and that's what a lot of it is going on right now. Researchers 353 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,720 like Mark and others are going through this document, and the researchers are very 354 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:21,680 open to alternative ideas, but they do ask and I think it's fair look 355 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,839 at their research before you comment, because there's been a lot of that. 356 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,359 You know, look through the research because they've probably addressed whatever your concern is, 357 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,440 and if they haven't, they're more than willing to do so. Well, 358 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,519 thanks so much. They've made them serves very available. Thanks so much. 359 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,519 It's we ran a little long this time, Okay almost a half hour, 360 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:47,839 but that's fine. It's been real interesting and I can't wait to actually 361 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,319 listen to those guys talk about it next week. Yeah, that'd be great. 362 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,400 Thanks again for having me on and check it out. And again, 363 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,319 people, you can find all these stories through the show notes that podcast dot 364 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,599 com. That'll lead you right over to open Minds dot tv and if you 365 00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,000 hang in there, we'll be coming back live with Broun Kelly in just a 366 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,680 minute. Thanks again, Alejandro, thank you, and we'll talk to you 367 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,880 next week. Talk to you soon. Just wait for the music break. 368 00:29:15,880 --> 00:30:08,599 We'll be right back yet. John Kelly will be right with us. And 369 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,319 so just one thing I wanted to say to everyone is, um, I 370 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:22,599 am actually going to be at the Experiencers speak coming up. It is August 371 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,640 twenty eighth and August twenty ninth, and I will be there and I'd love 372 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,480 to see you if you're there. I'm probably gonna wear like one of my 373 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:38,200 podcasts, you fo T shirts that you know nobody buys. Again. I'm 374 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,920 going to have new graphics made and they're coming up really soon. I'm trying 375 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,279 to reach John Kelly right now. And so that's August twenty eighth and August 376 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:53,799 twenty ninth, and that's at the Fireside Inn in Portland, Maine, and 377 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,119 it should be a great conference. Grant Cameron's going to be there, number 378 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:04,279 of noted people, Kathy Martin, Denise Stoner. The list is right on 379 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:08,759 their website if you look up Experiencers Speak. And for some reason, I'm 380 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:15,880 having trouble reaching John Kelly, and I'll keep trying him here. We just 381 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:25,480 spoke earlier, so I'm not sure what the what the issue is. May 382 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:33,400 have him call into the show and he's been following along listening to us live, 383 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:41,000 so he may be having some type of technical difficulties on his end. 384 00:31:41,160 --> 00:32:02,279 I'm not really sure, all right, so I really apologize everyone. We're 385 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:08,279 going to try to get this straighten out as soon as we can and try 386 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:19,079 them again here. So while we're waiting, UM, I have thought about 387 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,039 the person that's going to design their T shirts. They're going to make me 388 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:29,400 three different graphics, and I thought about displaying them somehow on my website and 389 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,960 maybe have a survey and have you pick as a listener out there out there, 390 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,960 John, are you there? I sure am John? Are you I'm 391 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:45,599 hearing a little feedback to have your headphones on? Can you hear me now? 392 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,240 John, I can't hear you. Are you muted? No? Well, 393 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:57,160 allow me to swap out my setup. I'm sorry. We we tested, 394 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,759 we had tested for the setup, so I will quickly no, no, 395 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,880 it's it sounds good now, Oh it is good. You are good. 396 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,759 Welcome to the show. We had a little trouble reaching you. Well, 397 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:07,599 it's super to be with you guys, and I thank you for your 398 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,559 patients. Yeah, yeah, now you were on. I think it was 399 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,240 April two thousand and twelve. I'm pretty sure that's when it was. So 400 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,400 that's going back, so ninety nine point nine percent. I think we had 401 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,799 Scott was our original listener back then. There's a couple of others that have 402 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,480 been listening that far back. Peggy I believe was listening that far back. 403 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,880 So it's going to be all new to the people that are listening. However, 404 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,119 I do get email from a number of listeners that go back through all 405 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,960 my podcasts, which I really appreciate and listen probably have listened to it. 406 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:44,279 So, so for the person who hasn't heard of John Kelly, can you 407 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,119 tell them a little bit about your background. First of all, you're in 408 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,559 is it Vancouver Island, Vancouver, British Columbia. It's one of the main 409 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:57,200 ports on the West coast here on Canada, and I'm a Vancouver native and 410 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:04,200 have been pursuing all kinds of interesting fields of research most of my life and 411 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,320 became widely known publicly in the late nineteen nineties as someone who was interested in 412 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,719 what at that time was being referred to as reverse speech, which is a 413 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:22,519 study of unconscious communications encrypted in a normal conversation. And I established a grassroots 414 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:28,880 practice and work with individuals. My practice grew to become an international practice. 415 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,079 I ended up as a CBS radio feature producer at one point based on those 416 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:38,280 studies, so I became very prominent throughout English speaking media for my arguments and 417 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,800 demonstrations of these phenomena of hidden speech communications. And parallel with that, I 418 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:52,920 developed some very interesting visual catalogs, including high resolution photography produced during yoga meditation 419 00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:00,960 sessions and as well as documenting through video the local and regional UFO phenomena of 420 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:07,960 the Pacific Northwest, as well as events in Texas Stephenville, the Marphall Lights 421 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:14,199 and other interesting areas Mount Adams, the famous Kenneth Ar sighting in that region. 422 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:19,920 I've I've spent extensive time with a high sensitivity night vision equipment in that 423 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:27,239 region taking recordings of different phenomena. So it's something I've I immersed quite heavily 424 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,440 into as an as an opportune situation, being as I am in the Pacific 425 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,440 Northwest, which is a high incident of sightings and accounts and film that come 426 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:43,280 out of this region. I proceeded to write a column for Examiner dot com 427 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,079 for four to five years called the Vancouver You of Examiner, which was very 428 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:52,880 popular and received wide distribution. The articles that I wrote would appear on the 429 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,639 front pages of websites such as USA Today or MSNBC, the Irish Independent, 430 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,079 Dallas Morning News, and a very long list of English language news publications picked 431 00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,760 up my stories, my UFO related content and other content investigative content that I 432 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:16,199 developed, and so I emerged as somebody who had had a reputation in media 433 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:24,920 for investigative studies and took took a turney into the UFO subject matter beginning with 434 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,119 the presidency of Barack Obama, and I've been I've been doing field field research 435 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:35,880 in this in this area again in the field with high sensitivity night vision, 436 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,039 and at the same time reporting on some of the issues in in related subject 437 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,599 areas such as exopolitics. I currently write for news Insight out dot com, 438 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,599 the news website that I co founded with Alfred Lambremont Weber at the end of 439 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,360 last year, which was coincident with the time of the wrapping up of my 440 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,519 Examiner dot com column, which is something we'll talk a little bit about, 441 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,480 I'm sure as the interview develops, and news insight at dot com is where 442 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,880 I produce my twenty fifteen mini documentary series, which is which is a very 443 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,599 strong UFO focus. It takes a deeper look at my footage from Marfa, 444 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:16,599 where I have Christine quality Marpha lights, three CCD images that I produced on 445 00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:22,000 site, as well as the Mount Adams UFO Phenomena, the Okanagan, British 446 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:29,280 Columbia UFO Phenomena, and many other sort of insights emphasizing the psychic aspects of 447 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:34,159 contact. And even for the videographers who are out engaging with UFOs, there's 448 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,559 evidence that suggests that they're anticipating the events and having their equipment set up on 449 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:43,880 time prior to the incidents, so they get very very good quality footage. 450 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,559 The psychic dimensions of UFO contact appear to be very important and they're prominent in 451 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:52,719 my research and with the people that I interview and discuss these questions with, 452 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,280 and so this is an ongoing theme I think in my work as the encounter 453 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,360 with the psychic nature and coming to terms with our own psychic nature. People 454 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,000 who engage in these types of studies may find it has awakening powers upon them. 455 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:09,679 They may find they start to see expressions of what could be interpreted as 456 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:16,360 telepathic communications with extraterrestrials as a consequence of participate participating in skywatches and searching the 457 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,239 skies and attempting to document the different things that are out there. Certainly there 458 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,880 is a lot out there. People who equipped with night vision see a lot 459 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,199 further than the unaided eye. And when you expand your your pool, so 460 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,519 to speak, of phenomena, it's more likely you'll see more phenomena When you're 461 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:37,159 looking in two different spectra of light, in visible light and in infrared light, 462 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:45,400 both concurrently, you've expanded your opportunities to pick up on some of the 463 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,159 unusual stuff that's out there. And it's surprising to most of us, I 464 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:51,000 think, how much and usual stuff does populate the night sky. And that's 465 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,639 one of the things I enjoy particularly this time here. This is the season 466 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,079 to be out, you know, we have the warm nights and so on. 467 00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,800 This is the season typically where I'm out in the field somewhere, uh, 468 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:06,159 studying this guy's hoping to get some exciting footage and to maybe grow my 469 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,239 understanding a little bit more about what's happening in the in the contact arena in 470 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,039 a direct In a direct way, I'm I'm generally very hands on. I 471 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,599 like research that I can evaluate and measure, and so I've picked these subject 472 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,880 areas that I can I can tinker with and make my own conduct, my 473 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,599 own experiments, and it's been very productive time. Again, since I became 474 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:31,719 known publicly in fifteen odd years ago, I've produced a lot of groundbreaking research. 475 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:36,880 The audio studies, photographic and video, and all of it is finding 476 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,239 an audience and finding its way, uh, you know, in social media. 477 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,239 This I think I think I have a good a good catalog of independent 478 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,079 research as well as some some perspectives on some of the contemporary issues of the 479 00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,159 day that people people are discussing, whether it's disclosure, extra politics, or 480 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,199 other related questions to the UFO phenomenon. Now, I've been out there a 481 00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:02,239 few times in you don't have a lot of clear skies out there. Is 482 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,480 there a season like this time of year? Is it? Is it clear 483 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,599 a lot more than other times a year. Summers in Vacouver can be exceptionally 484 00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:13,719 good. This being in a warmer year than most, We've had more hours 485 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,280 of sunshine I think than we would normally get, and we got we had 486 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,440 it early in the season. So for the Vancouver Fraser Valley region, the 487 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,039 crops have been triggered due to the excess of sunshine. They started coming out 488 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:30,880 maturing two weeks early, so our harvest seasons have somewhat been a skewed because 489 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,280 they can't pick the crops fast enough to get them up, to get them 490 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719 out to market and so on. So that that there's an indication of how 491 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,199 much blue sky time we've had this year. Although I live in where I 492 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,119 live is a rainforest and so we do have excessive dark sky conditions, meaning 493 00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:52,480 that we're under cloud or rain for considerable time of year. Many Canadians are 494 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:58,559 famous as snowbirds, who flee the Canadian winter to find sunny, yer climates, 495 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,199 if only for the sake of their mental health. But Vancouver does have 496 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:08,480 a long standing reputation, and I can cite Dorothy Isaas as someone who had 497 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,840 filmed thirty thousand feet of eight millimeter footage of uful phenomena that was investigated by 498 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:21,440 local university professors and was widely disseminated through US media back in the nineteen eighties. 499 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,800 There's many many paranormal and UFO related shows from that time. Some of 500 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,480 them are on YouTube. You can you can go back to the way back 501 00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:32,119 there and see how much media coverage it was of Dorothy Isait's UFOs. And 502 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:37,079 this is a housewife who simply had a personal camera that she took out on 503 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,320 her back deck. I remember, yeah, Vancouver, and she got film 504 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,920 after film of unusual things, and she eventually published a book. I went 505 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,400 to the book launch at the Vancouver Planetarium and I asked a question from the 506 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,920 audience about, you know, what are the mechanics of setting up contact? 507 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,159 And she presented it that it was as easy as just participating, that if 508 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:59,360 you had the desire for something to happen, that it could manifest this way, 509 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,960 and the should not be inhibited around exploring these questions in their own personal 510 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,400 way, as well as, you know, trying to support the organized Effort 511 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,960 Center out there as well. Okay, if you're listening live, we're on 512 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,800 with John Kelly, and you can dial in if you'd like at six oh 513 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,440 three nine six seven four h three oh and if you'd like to ask a 514 00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,480 question on the chat room, that's right at podcast UFO dot com. You 515 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:30,440 mentioned earlier just a minute ago there about how the psychic phenomenon can or there's 516 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,239 some type of psychic relationship relationship. And I was just a couple of weeks 517 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,679 ago, I was down in Maryland. I did a live show down there 518 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,760 with an old time researcher, Ray Stanford, and he was saying he used 519 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:49,519 to get what he called uphotopia, like he could feel like he was going 520 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:53,159 to have a sighting and he felt like upbeat, and he just knew it 521 00:42:53,199 --> 00:43:00,280 was going to happen. And that person that me and Ray Stanford has has 522 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,239 so many sightings. He wouldn't tell me exactly how many, but I know 523 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,000 that you've had a lot of sightings as well, and so it is really 524 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:14,280 strange to me, and I'd like to explore the your thoughts on why certain 525 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,559 people, you know, you always think of UFO hotspots. But secondly, 526 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,559 like this woman on the backdeck of her at her house filming all this footage, 527 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:28,840 and other people who have an idea like the next day to go out 528 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,000 and set up their camera because they're going to have a sighting. I remember 529 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,960 you talked about that last time. So how how do you suppose this actually 530 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:44,159 happens? What's your thoughts I have? You know, this is an enormous 531 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:54,159 topic, but essentially the premise that I start from is that human beings are 532 00:43:54,239 --> 00:44:00,800 born with an existing psychic nature. As to whether it is dormant or active 533 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,719 within them as part of their day to day experience could vary from individual to 534 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,119 individual. But I think there is certainly some, uh, some conception that 535 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,000 in stone Age cultures the time, certainly in the times of all of our 536 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:21,639 ancestors, that the burden on human intuition was very great, uh, in 537 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:27,920 order for survival and continuity of the species. So people living under intense pressure, 538 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480 not in high high tech societies, but under stone age conditions, we're 539 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,960 compelled to use their minds and expand their mental reach in order to survive living 540 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,639 in the forest. And so I think that there's an element of the archaic 541 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,760 within us our ancestors, where may have may have been more intuitively developed or 542 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,840 active than people, technologically enabled people of the present time, convenience oriented people, 543 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,239 and so on. So I think we are we are tapping into something 544 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,119 inherent within our potential rather than some new vention manifesting in the twenty first century, 545 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:07,639 so to speak, as you said, our legacy contact ease. And 546 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,599 there are many different opinions about reports of the past and the personalities, the 547 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,199 many personalities who've reported you a full contact. But one of the lingering threads 548 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,119 back through a Damski and others is the telepathic contact. It's one of the 549 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:29,920 lingering threats and it persists today today. I am in contact with videographers who 550 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:37,000 report intensive interdimensional contact as a part of their famelia within which the videography occurs. 551 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,239 In other words, if they weren't having all those out of body travel, 552 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,199 they may also not be the videographer who shows up with all these different 553 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:50,599 kinds of flying saucers and other things in their footage. So what is happening, 554 00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:57,920 I believe, is that viewed from my perspective, the contact experience is 555 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,519 offering an opportunity for us, for human beings, to get in touch with 556 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:07,599 our our own psychic nature and come to reconcile that and perhaps at the same 557 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:13,920 time to observe that our the cultural environment within which we live. The You 558 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,800 know, just as we say we understand that there are minority niche minority audience 559 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,159 is interested in these types of research fields, and who even those who have 560 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,119 serious interests in these questions not simply as some sort of entertainment. Uh. 561 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,480 The the our culture, the mainstream culture here is still is an adversary, 562 00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:37,679 offers an adversarial environment from any of these kinds of questions. And so this, 563 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:43,800 this, this kind of irony manifests in a in a inn in a 564 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:49,559 context scenario, we begin to begin to become aware of our predominant psychic nature, 565 00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:52,719 and then we then we begin to see the rest of our lives in 566 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,559 this context that we are we living in harmony with our own innate sense of 567 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,519 being? And are we living in harmony with the environment. As an expansion 568 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,840 of that question, the inner environment and the outer environment are our questions about 569 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,280 these things are awakened through the contact experience. So just as a natural form 570 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:16,880 of awareness, people may for example, have persistent dreams in relationship to physical 571 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,199 events. They may have dreams about contact, or further or deeper levels of 572 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,000 contact, like being on board spaceships and having face to face time with extra 573 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:31,840 terrestrials in a timeline wherein they're also seeing objects in the sky or filming them, 574 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,960 or being part of citing events in different ways. The psychic urges can 575 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:45,400 manifest along the timeline, either in ways that are in series sequentially with physical 576 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:51,360 events, or concurrently with physical events, or even anticipating the physical events. 577 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,280 And this is where we get into the area where we say there are people 578 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,840 who appear to be able to anticipate utful contact and set up there so much 579 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,440 so that they can set up their camera equipment ahead of time and shoot stable 580 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,679 footage during the entire event. I think that's significant. So this this appears 581 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,760 to manifest and I don't suggest that this is manifesting with one hundred percent of 582 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,840 the population, because I've talked to numerous individuals over the years who've produced what 583 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,199 I would consider very profound footage at the same time, who have not really 584 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:24,679 reported that these psychic dimensions were really something that we're prominent in their contact experiences. 585 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,960 Although someone in the family may be having dreams about abductions or being on 586 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,519 board spaceships. It didn't see. It didn't seem to have such direct transparency 587 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,679 as in other cases where people are saying, you know, the night before 588 00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,159 I had a dream where my spirit guide, the extraterrestrial was telling me to 589 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,679 set up my camera. So the next morning I set up my camera and 590 00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:49,599 I recorded the UFO. I mean, that's a very direct linear relationship between 591 00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:54,199 those events. So I'm excited that this population. I don't know if it's 592 00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:00,119 cultural creatives or Generation x's, or you know, how we could define this 593 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:05,960 this community that seems to exist, but there appears to be psychically active participants 594 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,079 in UFOL contacts, all in different parts of the world, and they are 595 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:13,400 becoming more visible and prominent. They're self publishing, they're using social media to 596 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,360 get their experiences out into public discussion. And I see this as this, 597 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:28,199 this emergent contact depopulation, will be um setting the setting the bar for ufology 598 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,440 and research and theories to interpret the data to follow. I see this emergent 599 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,679 populations as the people that I hope to reach in this window of time that 600 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:45,559 we're in now. I also remember when we spoke before, you mentioned that 601 00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:51,719 it's ridiculous to think that if we're seeing a sighting of the same craft. 602 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,679 For instance, over in Belgium when they had the triangle, they kept seeing 603 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,800 over and over again, and they things of the same type of craft over 604 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,480 and over again. I think you said it. It would be ridiculous to 605 00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:08,960 think that they would be going traveling, you know, the the light years 606 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,039 back to wherever they are and back here again. Um, that's again, 607 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,519 you know, all this is speculation by anyone talking about the subject, you 608 00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:23,280 know, whether they can bend space time and travel instantly or But your thoughts 609 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,320 were that they're here or they're somewhere near here. Weren't there? Isn't that 610 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,239 what you uh, that's what you said back. I believe back in twenty 611 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,079 twelve. I think it's an obvious argument, the idea that someone is going 612 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,320 to travel one hundred thousand light years on a commute to come here for some 613 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:45,719 mysterious mission and be and be seen by the population. Uh, it seemed 614 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,480 kind of a stretch. What what what? What I'm possibly more open to 615 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,800 is this idea of dimensions that maybe you know, parallel and just you know, 616 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:59,760 one wave length out from ours and creating a sort of instant proximity that 617 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:07,400 may also help to interpret instrumental evidence that shows UFOs h manifesting and de manifesting, 618 00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:13,920 that that kind of behavior is suggestive of what some people in science is 619 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,920 called quantum condensates. But beyond the thoughts of what material properties make may explain 620 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:28,840 these manifestation demonstation phenomena is transit between dimensions. And it's interesting to note in 621 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,159 parallel to this discussion is that a nineteen forty seven documented remains hosted on the 622 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:38,079 FBI dot gov website in which it describes the origins of the UFOs and their 623 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:45,840 occupants as what as the Sanskrit term locas l ok as as the Romanized Sanskrit 624 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:55,440 and a loca in Sanskrit philosophy, this is archaic classical South Asian philosophy is 625 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,599 a dimension in the mind of God. So so this document hosted on the 626 00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:04,599 FBI dot gov website that says the UFOs are coming from the locus. This 627 00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,440 is the nineteen forty seven opinion they's hosted there today. It suggests that there's 628 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,840 dimensional concepts that are invoked, not unrelated to concepts that were being discussed in 629 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,840 Sanskrit literature from thousands of years in the past. Where people had concepts of 630 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:23,800 parallel civilizations sharing this environment, and that there was an integration and a flow 631 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:30,119 between the human the human dramas, and the dramas taking place in the other 632 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,920 worlds or kingdoms, so to speak, and that sometimes there was commerce between 633 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,079 the kingdoms or dimensions and worlds. People moved from place to place, people 634 00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:45,320 had struggles and difficulties. Sometimes people and entities killed each other, as described 635 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:52,679 in those in that literature. So the Sanskrit literature, as we know from 636 00:52:52,880 --> 00:53:00,719 doctor Oppenheimer's concerns regarding becoming gods at the time of the atomic aid in which 637 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,519 he is said to have quoted the Guida and Christna Krishna, the great speaker. 638 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:13,119 The Guida is talking about all these divine properties, and it was interpreted 639 00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,239 by the scientists at the time, Robert Openheimer being the most prominent of them, 640 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,360 that humanity had had acquired the power, you know, the power of 641 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,360 the universe, like we we had we could create the heat of the Sun 642 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:30,280 on the Earth on demand by exploding nuclear materials. So the scientific community, 643 00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:35,400 in other words, uh was very serious about the ideas found in Sanskrit literature, 644 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,119 is not this is not an abstract notion to scientists like doctor Robert Oppenheimer's 645 00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:44,000 like, you know, one of the fathers of the atomic age. So 646 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,559 I say that there is there was a lot that we can test and measure 647 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,159 in the Sanskrit spiritual science that's presented through texts like the Guida's or through direct 648 00:53:54,159 --> 00:54:00,159 transmission from teachers in Tantre yoga and other our characters that are still alive today. 649 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,760 People can still study those practices. And I'm one of the people who 650 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,360 who have infected personally study those practices and produced a lot of instrumental material through 651 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,960 photography. Uh that's related to those studies as quite unique. People who are 652 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,239 my friends on Facebook see a number of those photos up there. This is 653 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,679 radio, so I can't really show you a photo on the air, but 654 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,039 to say that I have a deep investment in those practices and studies and it's 655 00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,320 it's it's the foundational work from which I see these events. In other words, 656 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:37,000 I bring a yogi's view to the uful contact question. To some some 657 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:42,480 who are participating in your full contact and extra tractional contact questions, there's a 658 00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:51,320 sense of absolute outcomes being um maybe diplomacy or cultural exchanges or time on spaceships 659 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,320 and other sort of measurables. Many claimants, like my Billy Meyer, for 660 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,119 example, claimed to have been on spaceships taking pictures outside the windows and such, 661 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,559 so that that is seen as sort of in the UFO contact timeline, 662 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:07,119 that is seen by some as an outcome of participating in this. You know, 663 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,079 if I go looking for UFOs, it surely means it down the road, 664 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:13,079 I'll be up there, you know, talking to Captain Kirk or somebody. 665 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:16,079 Right. But from from my perspective, from the Yogic perspective, really 666 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,639 the UFO contact is something that happens along It happens along the way, but 667 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,199 it doesn't serve as a final outcome onto itself. I may or may not 668 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,679 be interested in becoming an ambassador for other civilizations. I may or may not 669 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,679 be interested in spending time on spaceships. I mean, I may have a 670 00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,800 lot of things to do right here in the city, you know, without 671 00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:42,519 without leaving on some space spaceships. So I'm not necessarily identifying very strongly with 672 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,199 those outcomes, which maybe is a little different considering the hours I have invested, 673 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,840 in other words, in contact and documentation. It seems it may seem 674 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,400 a little odd that I'm really not pushing, uh, you know, we 675 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,519 need to get on the space ships and go to some other planet or something 676 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:59,119 like that. I'm not really pushing that kind of initiative. I see it 677 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:04,519 as more it's educational opportunity. I see it more more directly and immediately relating 678 00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:09,400 to psychic development and awakening of consciousness within the individuals as a platform for the 679 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,079 expanded consciousness. And I think that is something that's immediate. I think that 680 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:22,320 people can have breakthrough psychological breakthroughs about sense of limitations, about human behavior and 681 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:29,639 human potential through participating in these events where people are beginning to demonstrate precognition and 682 00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:34,440 other kinds of advanced behavioral performance. Then I think that that is really consciousness 683 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,920 expanding, and I think it is It is a way to participate in the 684 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,440 evolution of the species. These is the kinds of visions that I bring. 685 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,880 It's it's all about the consciousness at the end of the day. I have 686 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,239 a lot of instrumental evidence, and I've got a lot of hours in the 687 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,440 field, but at the end of the day, it's a state of mind 688 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,519 and what we've learned about ourselves. The reflections that occur within our minds as 689 00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:59,239 a consequence of these events, I think is really the big takeaway every time 690 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,920 I bring up in one of these shows the possibility of interdimensional or you know, 691 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,320 dimensional or or time travelers or whatever, um, other than the extraterrestrial 692 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,880 um you know, idea of the whole situation. I get, I get 693 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:22,840 email, but um, you know, do you consider do you theorize um 694 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:30,159 your own thoughts are your own thoughts that these are more of interdimensional than extraterrestrial? 695 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,960 Well, uh, those are two um widely used terms. Um. 696 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,920 You know. In producing footage, I don't have h I don't have like 697 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,400 some I my footage and experiences don't meet a lot of standards. In other 698 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:52,320 words, I don't have vehicle registration codes. I don't have pilot's licenses. 699 00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:59,079 I don't have inco footage so I can I may have a sense of of 700 00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,880 who's up there, but I don't have a lot of bona fides, uh 701 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,639 you know to show you an you know, documentation from the from their embassy 702 00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:12,880 or whatever. Right. In other words, this kind of differentiation, and 703 00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,159 I think this is an important part of my research approach, is that these 704 00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:23,719 discrete questions don't necessarily hold a lot of water in my world because at the 705 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:31,760 time of recording, it's inconsequential to me as to the um the absolute origins 706 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,159 of the subject that I'm filming, you know, if they if they if 707 00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,320 they are let's say hypothetically in possession of dimension shifting technology, there's there's reasons 708 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,679 to believe that that's going on, or they're just traveling so fast you can't 709 00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,199 when they take off, you can't see them. Both those possibilities exist. 710 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,239 There's limits on the technology I have disposed to produce those kinds of measurements. 711 00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:59,960 But also again, um, I have limited personal investment and trying to figure 712 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:06,239 these are the romulans or the andromedans. I mean, my research doesn't attempt 713 00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:08,039 to answer those questions. In this way, I'm sort of I'm very vague. 714 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:14,559 You see, while I'm producing all this concrete material evidence that's based is 715 00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:20,920 instrumental based rather than opinion based. At the same time, I don't care 716 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,800 who triggers the awakened consciousness as long as the awakened consciousness manifests as a consequence 717 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:30,559 of those encounters. It could be the realiens, or it could be the 718 00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:37,119 cleations I mean, I just don't have any investment in those questions so much 719 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,679 so, but I am able to cite the FBI's website and that document that 720 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,320 talks about locas and UFOs. I mean, they're hosting the document on their 721 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,079 site. That must have had some currency in that organization at some time. 722 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,280 It's still on the site. Seven documents. Pretty amazing. Okay, So 723 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,239 that's it for this part of the show. If you'd like to listen to 724 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,039 the full show, all you have to do support us for a dollar or 725 01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:06,920 more a month, and that information is right on our website podcast ufo dot 726 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,880 com. 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