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There are lots of very, very very pleasant people that are fun to
talk to. But yeah, so these are some interesting stories, and I
think you know you and I talked a bit about them on Monday, a
couple of them. Before we get going on that, I just wanted to
ask you right now. I've heard the proceed I don't know how to say
that. The meteor showers that's going on, I've heard that it's really really
great in Arizona. Have you had a chance to check it out. I
have not. We have had haboobs and burst what they call them, like
a something like a burst storm, microburst, that's what they call them.
Oh, the weather, it's been really weird. Today it's great, but
yesterday in the morning we had this rain and this haboob that came through and
a haboob. If you don't know, I mean, there is that that
movie with the horse. They're always really worse on TV where people die and
everything, but they're dust a big dust storm that comes through, and they're
usually accompanied by wind, and they're really weird because there's usually lightning and I
didn't know this inside of these storms because it's the big dust clouds, Yeah,
are creating all these statics, So there's lightning going back and forth,
and it's really wild. But yeah, we had one of those yesterday that
was accompanied by some really strong winds, and that was at nighttime. So
I hurriedly went into my home Encoward in a corner and actually I think I
looked at emails and stuff regarding this exciting UFO s Roy I'm going to talk
to you about but yet. So we didn't have much visibility yesterday, but
hopefully we will today and that would be great to see, because I hear
you can literally see hundreds in an hour if you're in a good place where
you don't have a lot of light. Anyone anywhere. I mean, there's
so many of them that they might even be able to see them once in
a while in New York City in between the skyscrapers. Yeah, we've had
really bad weather here in Maine for the last several days, but it's just
clearing out tonight. So after the show, I might take a look.
You should. That'd be really exciting and it would be interesting to see if
there are more UFO reports. I wouldn't doubt that would be the case.
You know, a lot of people would say, oh, yeah, there's
you know, people's imaginations or whatever. But when you get more eyes in
the sky, you never know. That's how I yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly. So what's going on for news? And welcome back? Yeah,
thank you very much. It was a very nice relaxing break. I
got to hang out at the beach and also go on a ghost tour in
San Diego, so that was a lot of fun. But as far as
UFO stuff, you know, some of the stuff I've posted since This is
a story from Roger Marsh from mouf On. This was submitted to mouf on
And this is a weird video and you had brought it up on my show
about a UFO video in Indonesia. It was actually allegedly recorded on my birthday,
July seventeenth, over Jakarta. And it's kind of weird. You see
this strange really, you know, it's hard to see object that's kind of
floating in the skuy. You would think at first it's a balloon or something
mundane, but then it has kind of these weird movements back and forth.
One strange thing is at the the witness says it moves slowly at a constant
speed, but in the video you can certainly see that that's not the case.
That it kind of makes this weird movement. The weird movement makes me
think maybe it's a hoax, but I'm not sure. They say that move
On is investigating. But kind of an interesting video there. You thought it
was pretty interesting, right, I still do, and but you know,
I mean, the unfortunate thing is anything can be faked these days, and
it would be a shame if that one, in particular is, because it
really does show something pretty wild. And these links will be in our show
notes that will take you over to open mind dot tv where the articles are
and you can actually watch the video over there. Yeah, yeah, come
on over and sit a spell and watch UFO videos with us. We got
more than that one, but it's not a up and we got an exciting
one I'm going to talk about next or after this story, but I just
want to bring this story up because I think it's really cool and it's kind
of it's kind of silly in a way in that it's a story that has
been pushed recently by the Telegraph and the Daily Express, two UK newspapers that
write about UFOs often, especially the Daily Express. They've been writing about UFOs
practically every day, ay, I think it has been every day for the
last few months, and thankfully they have written about open mind stories. The
reason I'm bringing this up is that, you know, we often talk about
how the news doesn't do their due diligence, and for some reason the Telegraph
and the Daily Express is talking about these new released UFO files from Scotland Yard.
Essentially the UK Metropolitan Police is their technical name, but actually doctor David
Clark, who's a lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hullam University, says he got
these VIAFOYA in two thousand and five, so he's the reason that these documents
got released, and he wrote about them in a book and he put him
out in two thousand and five. I don't know why the Daily Express and
Telegraph are saying they're new, but he was writing about the Special Branch.
They're in charge of national security. They're part of Scotland Yard and they've been
investigating ufoers. More recently, they've been investigating UFO enthusiasts, especially since ninety
seven and ninety eight, and this was due to Heaven's Gate, that group
where they committed suicide. They decided these guys committed suicide, so they ought
to start watching these people who are in UFOs and stuff, just in case,
you know, there's any more cult being created. So they're looking at
people who watch The X Files and Star Trek you know those Trekki's, which
you know often Trekis are very strange. I think you'd probably agree with that,
but aren't you. Well no, I'm da laughing. I had Roger
Nygard who did a documentary called The trek E's and he was on the show.
He's actually a skeptic, and so he's on one of our shows.
But if you watch that show it's on Netflix called Treks, you really do
about that? Yeah, you do see some very h some real characters for
sure. Absolutely, And I'm kidding because I'm a bit of a Treking myself.
Definitely, And you know one of the other shows they watch. You
probably had Bryce Zabo on I think, but a friend. He's written a
book with Richard Dolan, a great guy. He did a TV series called
Dark Skies that was kind of an answer to X Files. I think it
was NBC. I should have looked this up. I keep forgetting and it
was about MJ twelve and everything, But that was listed in their documents as
well, so they didn't find anything, essentially, but they had decided to
keep an eye on them in these official records. What's also interesting, and
they called it, you know, upologists, that they were looking at upologists.
But what's really cool, older files also show that they kept an eye
on other UFO organizations, mainly because they thought they might be related to communists
because as you probably know, you know, in the fifties there were lots
of contacts and the contacties we're talking about, you know, we shouldn't use
nukes and we need you know, peace and love, and they thought,
you know, and of course right wingers anytime you talk about peace and love,
they think, oh, these are communists. So that's kind of what
happened, and that and the right wingers actually got the police involved with looking
at especially at one cult in particular I and I hesitate to call it a
cult because really that's kind of a negative sort of term. If you look
it up these days. But this was a UFO religion essentially that had started
called the Arthurians. It started by a guy named George King who said he
was channeling aliens, an alien called Arthurius, and they even let him do
this on TV. And like the late fifties, so they were being watched
to see if perhaps they were being you know, they were communists and pushing
a communist kind of movement, but their movement was not so much about communism.
It was about no notes and it was also about releasing UFO information.
So according to doctor Clark, these were the first people to have a UFO
disclosure March. And this happened also in the late fifties. Yeah kind of
idea. Wow, Yeah, the first people to do it. And so
they were some UFO activists and supposedly I guess some of the people from the
Special Branch went there to watch. I guess there were a lot of people
that were watching. But once the guy started giving his speeches, everybody went
away and they lost interest. Is there a little four year old Stephen Bassett
there? There might have been. I don't no, but I doubt it.
This was quite some time ago. I don't know how old he is,
but it was who knows. Maybe it was kind of a joke,
but yeah, sorry, yeah, you know, I realized it was a
joke. Okay, but all right, I really screw that up. I'm
gonna add it that. You don't have to leave it in all Okay,
I dare you. I'll leave all of this in. I promise. Oh,
all right, I'm not going to edit one thing in this news.
You've got to be bold. Yeah. Well, it's you know, if
I do the news prerecorded like this and I don't edit it, it's just
as good as being live, I think. Yeah, then it's really the
same thing, because I try to do very very little editing at all,
because I like it to have that life feel and those awkward pauses, like
you know, because sometimes I know how you are. I will pause and
not say anything on purpose so that you kind of squirm there and you giggle
or something, and I'm very entertained by your reaction and your uneasiness, and
so I hope the audiences as well. Yeah, thank you for that.
Yeah, the last story though, this has been the excitement for the last
couple of days for me, and actually I've been so keeping my eye on
this story for like a year a long time, and I mean behind the
scenes kind of look, not just what everybody else had seen because we had
written about this. But this has to do with a video that was released
that was leaked that allegedly had come from the Department of Homeland Security, and
it's from Puerto Rico and it's you see this fleaar, you know, and
you see all the telemetry like you would have from a military or law enforcement
kind of video following this object. Now, this video, a poor copy
of this video was released about a year ago. It was somehow leaked.
This Puerto Rican Ufo researcher got to put it online, but he had the
information all wrong. He said it was a helicopter. He said all this
stuff, and there was very little data that came along with it. You
just had the video and this guy thought it was a helicopter, and there
was some back and forth. Then actually a few months ago, a higher
resolution was posted by John Greenwald from the Black Vault because he received a high
resolution copy with an anonymous letter. And it turns out some of the details
in this anomalous letter were accurate. So this person had some inside knowledge.
So I suspect personally that whoever gave this to Greenwald was someone from this base,
and it seems that people on this base were really excited about this video.
The person who emailed Greenwald also emailed these researchers that I'm going to refer
to in a minute that I've been working with, and they said in their
letter, this is proof that there's aliens. There's an alien base in Puerto
Rico. Kind of interesting. But what happened is these guys have been working
at on this this whole time, for over a year. There's a group
of researchers that were approached by a witness and that's all I can say.
And this witness was an acquaintance of the pilot who worked for the Customs and
Borders Patrol, which is a department of the Homeland Security in Puerto Rico.
So this pilot and his crew were flying in a routine flight. They circled
around the airport a couple of times, but when they took off for their
flight, they saw a light over the ocean to the north. They called
it into the tower because the tower didn't tell them that there was any traffic
in the area. The tower said, we don't see anything on radar.
However, we have a visual of that object as well. When the object
came close to the coast, the lights turned off, and luckily it's about
that time that the aircraft, which is a DHC eight, A DASH eight
is kind of the the name for this seeing the nickname for it. It's
a propeller plane, fixed wing. It had a flear system on it,
a thermal imaging system, and at the time that the lights went off,
it was able to begin tracking this object. So they flew around the base
a couple of times and then moved out to the south, all the while
tracking this object. They tracked it for a little less than three minutes,
and this high resolution video was then shared with these researchers and they investigated it
for over a year to research who these people are, to verify that it
did come from Homeland Security, which they have verified. They also did a
FOYA to get radar data to see if the radars were detecting the object.
They were not, but they did detect the DHC eight the border patrol craft,
of course, and that was helpful because even though there's telemetry in this
video showing where the aircraft is this just verifies that, you know, that's
not a hoax, that someone didn't hoax this video and it's all an elaborate
CGI. It verifies that plane was in that place at that time. The
pilot also, or the acquaintance to the pilot, who is the main source
for these guys, said that there was a plane that was delayed taking off
from this airport because it was an airport this object flew over because of this
own known in the area, and in the flight logged you can indeed see
there was a plane that was delayed at that exact time. So everything that
the witness had said, I'll checked out. These guys were able to verify
this was an acquaintance of the pilot that this guy. They didn't disclose where
this guy worked, but they said he was someone who would be in the
know. They were able to verify all of this, and you know,
you kind of got to then trust the re searchers and that they've done a
good job verifying that. But these are people I've known for years, are
some of the best I think researchers in this field. So are you able
to disclose who they are? Yes, I can, because now they've released
this document. Just yesterday they released it and luckily they let me have a
preview so I could write a story and summarize it so I could help them
get the word out and tell people about them releasing it. But they released
their one hundred and sixty two page analysis and I've summarized it in my story.
But the people are a lot of them work with Moufon, although this
was done outside of Moufon, and they want to be very clear about that,
and mostly it's because the witnesses didn't want it to be part of mouf
On. The witnesses are very scared about any repercussions, so they only wanted
a very few people to be involved. This was first given to a lady
who's actually a mouf On investigator and also a famous Cuban born science fiction and
fantasy writer. She's like the best selling Cuban fantasy and science fiction writer,
I believe, but she's very popular. Dana Chaviano is her name. She
was the first one that was approached by their source, so she went to
essentially her Moufon boss, which is Morgan bl I don't know if you've talked
to him. He's a Florida Moufon guy who runs that chapter there, and
they decided then to put together a small group of friends, including Rich Hoffman
who works in the defense industry. He's also a Moufon state director I think
for Alabama, I forget which state. And then they also got involved Robert
Powell, who is a director of research for Moufon. They got a couple
other guys involved also with some science background. One of them is a physicist,
and so this was a core group that did this long investigation and they
determined what the witnesses believed and had said. The witnesses said this thing had
flown from the ocean over the airport and then back out into the ocean,
and that it went through the water, and that it moved very quickly through
the water and then split into that's what the thermal imaging video appears to show.
This group did some research to figure out where this object was and its
flight path in order to determine its speed, and they determined that it was
going around eighty miles per hour on average, but at times it was going
one hundred plus in the air and through the water, that it went into
the water and barely slowed down at all. There you can barely see I
think a couple of light splashes when it's by the water, But I mean
that's what it peers this thing's doing, so it's really strange. A lot
of investigators and researchers have looked at this. Prior to this report coming out,
there was a lot of speculation and on a lot of people who had
done some research based solely off the video and the telemetry in the video.
Some of those researchers, not all of them, but some like Mark D'Antonio
and at least one or two other people I've seen online determined that the object
was a balloon. What they said was that the aircraft is moving around around
this object, so the background is moving very quickly. So even though it
looks like the object is moving quickly, it's not. It's moving very slowly,
and it's just a balloon. I just interrupt you right there. Yes,
I that's the first thing I thought when I watched the video two except
when it gets to the water, that doesn't make any sense when it comes
to what it is doing in the water, it's like going in and out
of the water, barely making splashes and moving really fast. So I agree
when it's up in the air or the first thing I thought, well,
it looks like it could be a balloon turning and twisting, and possibly the
background from an airplane aircraft being going by it, you know, it could
make it look like it was moving faster than it was. But how do
you explain How would Mark D'Antonio And I'm glad to hear that he's he's at
it again, but how would he explain it going through the water. He
hasn't finished his analysis, but I've gone back and forth with him on that
because I agree with you it looks like it's going into the water. The
researchers who are calling them, they posted their researcher, by the way,
on a website called the Scientific Coalition for Uthology, where if they do further
studies like this, they'll post more stuff. So SCU is how I'll refer
to them going forward. But they say it looks like it's going into the
water, And everybody said it was going into the water because it was going
into the water, and that they've been able to demonstrate because of the reaction
of the thermal and where you see some light and dark patches that shows there
was some splashing, and it was going into the water. So I asked
Mark to say, how it looks like it's going into the water. He
says it's not. He says that with these sorts of radar, it's detecting
thermal so the object is really dark through most of this video. But when
the background is as similar temperature as the object, then the colors will be
similar and the object will seem to disappear. I have a problem with that
because the only times this seems to happen, the object only seems to disappear
when it appears like it's going behind trees or it appears like it's going through
water. If this effect was happening, why does it only happen around the
trees around the water. That doesn't make sense to me, especially because the
trees and the water are not going to be The trees are probably not going
to be much different than the ground in temperature. If anything, they'd probably
be cooler, same with the water. The water would be cooler, so
you would think that the difference between the object and the water would be more
drastic, not less. And while it's going over the water and it seems
to be above the water, it is much more. There is more contrast
between the object and the background, so it appears to go through the water
and through the trees. It looks like that's what it's doing. And so
that was my thing with it, because you know, people speculated a balloon,
but this object did seem to move pretty quickly, and it does move
from one point to another, and it seems to move through trees and at
one point be over land and one point over water. So what the scu
had found, you know, seems more like it's going on in the video,
but market so far as sticking to that, it's a visual effect and
he's doing more analysis to determine if he's right. Well, please give my
best to him. I'm glad to hear he's back at it. For anyone
that doesn't know, Mark or t'antonio had some serious health issues and we're all
pulling for him, and looks sounds like he's he's getting back to it.
So I'm glad to hear that. So are you going to be doing a
podcast about this next week? Is that is? Yeah? All right?
Today my Monday podcast will be about this. I'll have Robert and Morgan on
the show and we'll talk about it. Also, our UFO update for next
week will be about this because there are more developments, there's more people looking
at it, including other scientific organizations. Wow, which would have had a
positive response. They think the report's good and they think it's an extraordinary case,
so that's very positive. So it's looking it's really really interesting. I
think these guys did an amazing job, and I think when of the trouble.
It takes some time to go through one hundred and sixty two page report,
and that's what a lot of it is going on right now. Researchers
like Mark and others are going through this document, and the researchers are very
open to alternative ideas, but they do ask and I think it's fair look
at their research before you comment, because there's been a lot of that.
You know, look through the research because they've probably addressed whatever your concern is,
and if they haven't, they're more than willing to do so. Well,
thanks so much. They've made them serves very available. Thanks so much.
It's we ran a little long this time, Okay almost a half hour,
but that's fine. It's been real interesting and I can't wait to actually
listen to those guys talk about it next week. Yeah, that'd be great.
Thanks again for having me on and check it out. And again,
people, you can find all these stories through the show notes that podcast dot
com. That'll lead you right over to open Minds dot tv and if you
hang in there, we'll be coming back live with Broun Kelly in just a
minute. Thanks again, Alejandro, thank you, and we'll talk to you
next week. Talk to you soon. Just wait for the music break.
We'll be right back yet. John Kelly will be right with us. And
so just one thing I wanted to say to everyone is, um, I
am actually going to be at the Experiencers speak coming up. It is August
twenty eighth and August twenty ninth, and I will be there and I'd love
to see you if you're there. I'm probably gonna wear like one of my
podcasts, you fo T shirts that you know nobody buys. Again. I'm
going to have new graphics made and they're coming up really soon. I'm trying
to reach John Kelly right now. And so that's August twenty eighth and August
twenty ninth, and that's at the Fireside Inn in Portland, Maine, and
it should be a great conference. Grant Cameron's going to be there, number
of noted people, Kathy Martin, Denise Stoner. The list is right on
their website if you look up Experiencers Speak. And for some reason, I'm
having trouble reaching John Kelly, and I'll keep trying him here. We just
spoke earlier, so I'm not sure what the what the issue is. May
have him call into the show and he's been following along listening to us live,
so he may be having some type of technical difficulties on his end.
I'm not really sure, all right, so I really apologize everyone. We're
going to try to get this straighten out as soon as we can and try
them again here. So while we're waiting, UM, I have thought about
the person that's going to design their T shirts. They're going to make me
three different graphics, and I thought about displaying them somehow on my website and
maybe have a survey and have you pick as a listener out there out there,
John, are you there? I sure am John? Are you I'm
hearing a little feedback to have your headphones on? Can you hear me now?
John, I can't hear you. Are you muted? No? Well,
allow me to swap out my setup. I'm sorry. We we tested,
we had tested for the setup, so I will quickly no, no,
it's it sounds good now, Oh it is good. You are good.
Welcome to the show. We had a little trouble reaching you. Well,
it's super to be with you guys, and I thank you for your
patients. Yeah, yeah, now you were on. I think it was
April two thousand and twelve. I'm pretty sure that's when it was. So
that's going back, so ninety nine point nine percent. I think we had
Scott was our original listener back then. There's a couple of others that have
been listening that far back. Peggy I believe was listening that far back.
So it's going to be all new to the people that are listening. However,
I do get email from a number of listeners that go back through all
my podcasts, which I really appreciate and listen probably have listened to it.
So, so for the person who hasn't heard of John Kelly, can you
tell them a little bit about your background. First of all, you're in
is it Vancouver Island, Vancouver, British Columbia. It's one of the main
ports on the West coast here on Canada, and I'm a Vancouver native and
have been pursuing all kinds of interesting fields of research most of my life and
became widely known publicly in the late nineteen nineties as someone who was interested in
what at that time was being referred to as reverse speech, which is a
study of unconscious communications encrypted in a normal conversation. And I established a grassroots
practice and work with individuals. My practice grew to become an international practice.
I ended up as a CBS radio feature producer at one point based on those
studies, so I became very prominent throughout English speaking media for my arguments and
demonstrations of these phenomena of hidden speech communications. And parallel with that, I
developed some very interesting visual catalogs, including high resolution photography produced during yoga meditation
sessions and as well as documenting through video the local and regional UFO phenomena of
the Pacific Northwest, as well as events in Texas Stephenville, the Marphall Lights
and other interesting areas Mount Adams, the famous Kenneth Ar sighting in that region.
I've I've spent extensive time with a high sensitivity night vision equipment in that
region taking recordings of different phenomena. So it's something I've I immersed quite heavily
into as an as an opportune situation, being as I am in the Pacific
Northwest, which is a high incident of sightings and accounts and film that come
out of this region. I proceeded to write a column for Examiner dot com
for four to five years called the Vancouver You of Examiner, which was very
popular and received wide distribution. The articles that I wrote would appear on the
front pages of websites such as USA Today or MSNBC, the Irish Independent,
Dallas Morning News, and a very long list of English language news publications picked
up my stories, my UFO related content and other content investigative content that I
developed, and so I emerged as somebody who had had a reputation in media
for investigative studies and took took a turney into the UFO subject matter beginning with
the presidency of Barack Obama, and I've been I've been doing field field research
in this in this area again in the field with high sensitivity night vision,
and at the same time reporting on some of the issues in in related subject
areas such as exopolitics. I currently write for news Insight out dot com,
the news website that I co founded with Alfred Lambremont Weber at the end of
last year, which was coincident with the time of the wrapping up of my
Examiner dot com column, which is something we'll talk a little bit about,
I'm sure as the interview develops, and news insight at dot com is where
I produce my twenty fifteen mini documentary series, which is which is a very
strong UFO focus. It takes a deeper look at my footage from Marfa,
where I have Christine quality Marpha lights, three CCD images that I produced on
site, as well as the Mount Adams UFO Phenomena, the Okanagan, British
Columbia UFO Phenomena, and many other sort of insights emphasizing the psychic aspects of
contact. And even for the videographers who are out engaging with UFOs, there's
evidence that suggests that they're anticipating the events and having their equipment set up on
time prior to the incidents, so they get very very good quality footage.
The psychic dimensions of UFO contact appear to be very important and they're prominent in
my research and with the people that I interview and discuss these questions with,
and so this is an ongoing theme I think in my work as the encounter
with the psychic nature and coming to terms with our own psychic nature. People
who engage in these types of studies may find it has awakening powers upon them.
They may find they start to see expressions of what could be interpreted as
telepathic communications with extraterrestrials as a consequence of participate participating in skywatches and searching the
skies and attempting to document the different things that are out there. Certainly there
is a lot out there. People who equipped with night vision see a lot
further than the unaided eye. And when you expand your your pool, so
to speak, of phenomena, it's more likely you'll see more phenomena When you're
looking in two different spectra of light, in visible light and in infrared light,
both concurrently, you've expanded your opportunities to pick up on some of the
unusual stuff that's out there. And it's surprising to most of us, I
think, how much and usual stuff does populate the night sky. And that's
one of the things I enjoy particularly this time here. This is the season
to be out, you know, we have the warm nights and so on.
This is the season typically where I'm out in the field somewhere, uh,
studying this guy's hoping to get some exciting footage and to maybe grow my
understanding a little bit more about what's happening in the in the contact arena in
a direct In a direct way, I'm I'm generally very hands on. I
like research that I can evaluate and measure, and so I've picked these subject
areas that I can I can tinker with and make my own conduct, my
own experiments, and it's been very productive time. Again, since I became
known publicly in fifteen odd years ago, I've produced a lot of groundbreaking research.
The audio studies, photographic and video, and all of it is finding
an audience and finding its way, uh, you know, in social media.
This I think I think I have a good a good catalog of independent
research as well as some some perspectives on some of the contemporary issues of the
day that people people are discussing, whether it's disclosure, extra politics, or
other related questions to the UFO phenomenon. Now, I've been out there a
few times in you don't have a lot of clear skies out there. Is
there a season like this time of year? Is it? Is it clear
a lot more than other times a year. Summers in Vacouver can be exceptionally
good. This being in a warmer year than most, We've had more hours
of sunshine I think than we would normally get, and we got we had
it early in the season. So for the Vancouver Fraser Valley region, the
crops have been triggered due to the excess of sunshine. They started coming out
maturing two weeks early, so our harvest seasons have somewhat been a skewed because
they can't pick the crops fast enough to get them up, to get them
out to market and so on. So that that there's an indication of how
much blue sky time we've had this year. Although I live in where I
live is a rainforest and so we do have excessive dark sky conditions, meaning
that we're under cloud or rain for considerable time of year. Many Canadians are
famous as snowbirds, who flee the Canadian winter to find sunny, yer climates,
if only for the sake of their mental health. But Vancouver does have
a long standing reputation, and I can cite Dorothy Isaas as someone who had
filmed thirty thousand feet of eight millimeter footage of uful phenomena that was investigated by
local university professors and was widely disseminated through US media back in the nineteen eighties.
There's many many paranormal and UFO related shows from that time. Some of
them are on YouTube. You can you can go back to the way back
there and see how much media coverage it was of Dorothy Isait's UFOs. And
this is a housewife who simply had a personal camera that she took out on
her back deck. I remember, yeah, Vancouver, and she got film
after film of unusual things, and she eventually published a book. I went
to the book launch at the Vancouver Planetarium and I asked a question from the
audience about, you know, what are the mechanics of setting up contact?
And she presented it that it was as easy as just participating, that if
you had the desire for something to happen, that it could manifest this way,
and the should not be inhibited around exploring these questions in their own personal
way, as well as, you know, trying to support the organized Effort
Center out there as well. Okay, if you're listening live, we're on
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question on the chat room, that's right at podcast UFO dot com. You
mentioned earlier just a minute ago there about how the psychic phenomenon can or there's
some type of psychic relationship relationship. And I was just a couple of weeks
ago, I was down in Maryland. I did a live show down there
with an old time researcher, Ray Stanford, and he was saying he used
to get what he called uphotopia, like he could feel like he was going
to have a sighting and he felt like upbeat, and he just knew it
was going to happen. And that person that me and Ray Stanford has has
so many sightings. He wouldn't tell me exactly how many, but I know
that you've had a lot of sightings as well, and so it is really
strange to me, and I'd like to explore the your thoughts on why certain
people, you know, you always think of UFO hotspots. But secondly,
like this woman on the backdeck of her at her house filming all this footage,
and other people who have an idea like the next day to go out
and set up their camera because they're going to have a sighting. I remember
you talked about that last time. So how how do you suppose this actually
happens? What's your thoughts I have? You know, this is an enormous
topic, but essentially the premise that I start from is that human beings are
born with an existing psychic nature. As to whether it is dormant or active
within them as part of their day to day experience could vary from individual to
individual. But I think there is certainly some, uh, some conception that
in stone Age cultures the time, certainly in the times of all of our
ancestors, that the burden on human intuition was very great, uh, in
order for survival and continuity of the species. So people living under intense pressure,
not in high high tech societies, but under stone age conditions, we're
compelled to use their minds and expand their mental reach in order to survive living
in the forest. And so I think that there's an element of the archaic
within us our ancestors, where may have may have been more intuitively developed or
active than people, technologically enabled people of the present time, convenience oriented people,
and so on. So I think we are we are tapping into something
inherent within our potential rather than some new vention manifesting in the twenty first century,
so to speak, as you said, our legacy contact ease. And
there are many different opinions about reports of the past and the personalities, the
many personalities who've reported you a full contact. But one of the lingering threads
back through a Damski and others is the telepathic contact. It's one of the
lingering threats and it persists today today. I am in contact with videographers who
report intensive interdimensional contact as a part of their famelia within which the videography occurs.
In other words, if they weren't having all those out of body travel,
they may also not be the videographer who shows up with all these different
kinds of flying saucers and other things in their footage. So what is happening,
I believe, is that viewed from my perspective, the contact experience is
offering an opportunity for us, for human beings, to get in touch with
our our own psychic nature and come to reconcile that and perhaps at the same
time to observe that our the cultural environment within which we live. The You
know, just as we say we understand that there are minority niche minority audience
is interested in these types of research fields, and who even those who have
serious interests in these questions not simply as some sort of entertainment. Uh.
The the our culture, the mainstream culture here is still is an adversary,
offers an adversarial environment from any of these kinds of questions. And so this,
this, this kind of irony manifests in a in a inn in a
context scenario, we begin to begin to become aware of our predominant psychic nature,
and then we then we begin to see the rest of our lives in
this context that we are we living in harmony with our own innate sense of
being? And are we living in harmony with the environment. As an expansion
of that question, the inner environment and the outer environment are our questions about
these things are awakened through the contact experience. So just as a natural form
of awareness, people may for example, have persistent dreams in relationship to physical
events. They may have dreams about contact, or further or deeper levels of
contact, like being on board spaceships and having face to face time with extra
terrestrials in a timeline wherein they're also seeing objects in the sky or filming them,
or being part of citing events in different ways. The psychic urges can
manifest along the timeline, either in ways that are in series sequentially with physical
events, or concurrently with physical events, or even anticipating the physical events.
And this is where we get into the area where we say there are people
who appear to be able to anticipate utful contact and set up there so much
so that they can set up their camera equipment ahead of time and shoot stable
footage during the entire event. I think that's significant. So this this appears
to manifest and I don't suggest that this is manifesting with one hundred percent of
the population, because I've talked to numerous individuals over the years who've produced what
I would consider very profound footage at the same time, who have not really
reported that these psychic dimensions were really something that we're prominent in their contact experiences.
Although someone in the family may be having dreams about abductions or being on
board spaceships. It didn't see. It didn't seem to have such direct transparency
as in other cases where people are saying, you know, the night before
I had a dream where my spirit guide, the extraterrestrial was telling me to
set up my camera. So the next morning I set up my camera and
I recorded the UFO. I mean, that's a very direct linear relationship between
those events. So I'm excited that this population. I don't know if it's
cultural creatives or Generation x's, or you know, how we could define this
this community that seems to exist, but there appears to be psychically active participants
in UFOL contacts, all in different parts of the world, and they are
becoming more visible and prominent. They're self publishing, they're using social media to
get their experiences out into public discussion. And I see this as this,
this emergent contact depopulation, will be um setting the setting the bar for ufology
and research and theories to interpret the data to follow. I see this emergent
populations as the people that I hope to reach in this window of time that
we're in now. I also remember when we spoke before, you mentioned that
it's ridiculous to think that if we're seeing a sighting of the same craft.
For instance, over in Belgium when they had the triangle, they kept seeing
over and over again, and they things of the same type of craft over
and over again. I think you said it. It would be ridiculous to
think that they would be going traveling, you know, the the light years
back to wherever they are and back here again. Um, that's again,
you know, all this is speculation by anyone talking about the subject, you
know, whether they can bend space time and travel instantly or But your thoughts
were that they're here or they're somewhere near here. Weren't there? Isn't that
what you uh, that's what you said back. I believe back in twenty
twelve. I think it's an obvious argument, the idea that someone is going
to travel one hundred thousand light years on a commute to come here for some
mysterious mission and be and be seen by the population. Uh, it seemed
kind of a stretch. What what what? What I'm possibly more open to
is this idea of dimensions that maybe you know, parallel and just you know,
one wave length out from ours and creating a sort of instant proximity that
may also help to interpret instrumental evidence that shows UFOs h manifesting and de manifesting,
that that kind of behavior is suggestive of what some people in science is
called quantum condensates. But beyond the thoughts of what material properties make may explain
these manifestation demonstation phenomena is transit between dimensions. And it's interesting to note in
parallel to this discussion is that a nineteen forty seven documented remains hosted on the
FBI dot gov website in which it describes the origins of the UFOs and their
occupants as what as the Sanskrit term locas l ok as as the Romanized Sanskrit
and a loca in Sanskrit philosophy, this is archaic classical South Asian philosophy is
a dimension in the mind of God. So so this document hosted on the
FBI dot gov website that says the UFOs are coming from the locus. This
is the nineteen forty seven opinion they's hosted there today. It suggests that there's
dimensional concepts that are invoked, not unrelated to concepts that were being discussed in
Sanskrit literature from thousands of years in the past. Where people had concepts of
parallel civilizations sharing this environment, and that there was an integration and a flow
between the human the human dramas, and the dramas taking place in the other
worlds or kingdoms, so to speak, and that sometimes there was commerce between
the kingdoms or dimensions and worlds. People moved from place to place, people
had struggles and difficulties. Sometimes people and entities killed each other, as described
in those in that literature. So the Sanskrit literature, as we know from
doctor Oppenheimer's concerns regarding becoming gods at the time of the atomic aid in which
he is said to have quoted the Guida and Christna Krishna, the great speaker.
The Guida is talking about all these divine properties, and it was interpreted
by the scientists at the time, Robert Openheimer being the most prominent of them,
that humanity had had acquired the power, you know, the power of
the universe, like we we had we could create the heat of the Sun
on the Earth on demand by exploding nuclear materials. So the scientific community,
in other words, uh was very serious about the ideas found in Sanskrit literature,
is not this is not an abstract notion to scientists like doctor Robert Oppenheimer's
like, you know, one of the fathers of the atomic age. So
I say that there is there was a lot that we can test and measure
in the Sanskrit spiritual science that's presented through texts like the Guida's or through direct
transmission from teachers in Tantre yoga and other our characters that are still alive today.
People can still study those practices. And I'm one of the people who
who have infected personally study those practices and produced a lot of instrumental material through
photography. Uh that's related to those studies as quite unique. People who are
my friends on Facebook see a number of those photos up there. This is
radio, so I can't really show you a photo on the air, but
to say that I have a deep investment in those practices and studies and it's
it's it's the foundational work from which I see these events. In other words,
I bring a yogi's view to the uful contact question. To some some
who are participating in your full contact and extra tractional contact questions, there's a
sense of absolute outcomes being um maybe diplomacy or cultural exchanges or time on spaceships
and other sort of measurables. Many claimants, like my Billy Meyer, for
example, claimed to have been on spaceships taking pictures outside the windows and such,
so that that is seen as sort of in the UFO contact timeline,
that is seen by some as an outcome of participating in this. You know,
if I go looking for UFOs, it surely means it down the road,
I'll be up there, you know, talking to Captain Kirk or somebody.
Right. But from from my perspective, from the Yogic perspective, really
the UFO contact is something that happens along It happens along the way, but
it doesn't serve as a final outcome onto itself. I may or may not
be interested in becoming an ambassador for other civilizations. I may or may not
be interested in spending time on spaceships. I mean, I may have a
lot of things to do right here in the city, you know, without
without leaving on some space spaceships. So I'm not necessarily identifying very strongly with
those outcomes, which maybe is a little different considering the hours I have invested,
in other words, in contact and documentation. It seems it may seem
a little odd that I'm really not pushing, uh, you know, we
need to get on the space ships and go to some other planet or something
like that. I'm not really pushing that kind of initiative. I see it
as more it's educational opportunity. I see it more more directly and immediately relating
to psychic development and awakening of consciousness within the individuals as a platform for the
expanded consciousness. And I think that is something that's immediate. I think that
people can have breakthrough psychological breakthroughs about sense of limitations, about human behavior and
human potential through participating in these events where people are beginning to demonstrate precognition and
other kinds of advanced behavioral performance. Then I think that that is really consciousness
expanding, and I think it is It is a way to participate in the
evolution of the species. These is the kinds of visions that I bring.
It's it's all about the consciousness at the end of the day. I have
a lot of instrumental evidence, and I've got a lot of hours in the
field, but at the end of the day, it's a state of mind
and what we've learned about ourselves. The reflections that occur within our minds as
a consequence of these events, I think is really the big takeaway every time
I bring up in one of these shows the possibility of interdimensional or you know,
dimensional or or time travelers or whatever, um, other than the extraterrestrial
um you know, idea of the whole situation. I get, I get
email, but um, you know, do you consider do you theorize um
your own thoughts are your own thoughts that these are more of interdimensional than extraterrestrial?
Well, uh, those are two um widely used terms. Um.
You know. In producing footage, I don't have h I don't have like
some I my footage and experiences don't meet a lot of standards. In other
words, I don't have vehicle registration codes. I don't have pilot's licenses.
I don't have inco footage so I can I may have a sense of of
who's up there, but I don't have a lot of bona fides, uh
you know to show you an you know, documentation from the from their embassy
or whatever. Right. In other words, this kind of differentiation, and
I think this is an important part of my research approach, is that these
discrete questions don't necessarily hold a lot of water in my world because at the
time of recording, it's inconsequential to me as to the um the absolute origins
of the subject that I'm filming, you know, if they if they if
they are let's say hypothetically in possession of dimension shifting technology, there's there's reasons
to believe that that's going on, or they're just traveling so fast you can't
when they take off, you can't see them. Both those possibilities exist.
There's limits on the technology I have disposed to produce those kinds of measurements.
But also again, um, I have limited personal investment and trying to figure
these are the romulans or the andromedans. I mean, my research doesn't attempt
to answer those questions. In this way, I'm sort of I'm very vague.
You see, while I'm producing all this concrete material evidence that's based is
instrumental based rather than opinion based. At the same time, I don't care
who triggers the awakened consciousness as long as the awakened consciousness manifests as a consequence
of those encounters. It could be the realiens, or it could be the
cleations I mean, I just don't have any investment in those questions so much
so, but I am able to cite the FBI's website and that document that
talks about locas and UFOs. I mean, they're hosting the document on their
site. That must have had some currency in that organization at some time.
It's still on the site. Seven documents. Pretty amazing. Okay, So
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