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Okay, let's get into a little bit of Vander pump. Let's get
let's get a little Vander. Let's get a little pump into our Vander.
If I I enjoyed this, I definitely enjoyed part two of this reunion more
than part one. Agreed it was on percent, it was pretty good.
And I say pretty good in the way that I got super mad at many
different places. And Mike, you know what I was going to say,
I might have some different opinions to you, but I have a feeling we're
going to agree on stuff, but you might you might push back, I
might push back. And I'm gonna say also, like, ugh, people
are gonna get so annoying with this. But I do feel and I think
I've maintained this a little bit throughout. I feel like this shit's real,
like when and I will give La La this. I'm not a fan of
La La. I think she's insane and I think she's like full of shit,
and I just I'm not a fan, but I do like how real
she's trying to make it. I do like that she gets up in people's
faces even if they said, Okay, that topic's off. You know,
we can't talk about that. Even though it's shitty for her to do it,
it gives us, as the audience, like a glimpse of a real
thing, of Katie's eyes getting real big, like fucking street there, Like
I like those moments like Kyle, like Kyle used to do on Housewives.
I was like, Liza, I don't you know Maritio's off limits. I
like it. I guess I agree, but I also disagree at the same
time because I feel like all of that realness is fake, Like her whole
thing is, Yeah, this is my job. I really care about my
job, my job of being on a TV show. Well, that's not
your So your job you you she feels her job is stirring up drama.
Well, and also you can't do it to her. So you were not
allowed to talk about Randall if you throw that back right, you don't know
what it's like to have kids. I'm sure her kid is offline. What's
her kid's name? So summer Moon is Sheena's? So what does she have?
Ocean? Yeah, exactly. Jupiter is off limits. You can't You
don't know what it's like to have a baby. You can't talk about Jupiter.
But so if anyone did that to her. You're right, see I've
immediately turned on my own opinion. Well done. It's that it's the the
thing of also also playing the mom card. Speaking as a mom is fucking
ridiculous. It's ridiculous to be like, yeah, you people don't have any
idea because you don't have kids, but like, you know, talk to
me when you have a baby. It's like, shut up. It's always
been such a pet peeve when people say, like, you don't know love,
You don't know real love unless you've had a baby. And I'm always
like, well, I love Judge Judy. You don't know how much I
love Judge Judy. How can we nobody? You can't know how much you
love Judge Judy. That's the thing. So for them to be like,
well, no, because I have a baby, so I know better than
love of Judge Judy. How do you know until you've truly loved Judge Judy
like I do, and you really do. Like that's the thing. Like
a lot of people say they love Judge Judy, like, oh, yeah,
I'll catch it when it's on, but you're like, no, that's
I will record it at four and four thirty and then again later I'm not
getting on CBS. And by the way, I love her like a baby.
I don't know how to explain this, but I have like maternal feelings
for her. If you're a spiritual person, and now you're not. But
if you were a spiritual person, you would say, we've met in another
life. And I was her mother, you would think because she's much older,
you know, she's in her eighties, I would say at this time,
I feel like the problem is that we're discovering is that la Law would
push back on you, you know, and she'd be like, well,
no, because I have a baby with Randall, so it's different. And
to that then you're a love of Judge Judy and right, I disagree with
her. Yeah, okay, you know what. You turn me around.
Immediately I was coming in saying like, yeah, I kind of like that
Lala does this, but it's disgusting, but it's still kind of fun to
watch. Kind it's definitely fun to watch. She definitely gives us something to
watch. But I just it gives me the feeling of like, Okay,
Lala, we get it. You're you're the main character. You're but she's
trying so hard, and I I just really feel for Arianna. Oh me
too. She's just trying to get through and like it's lucky her but also
good for her. Oh I'm more right or died than ever. And with
Katie too. Although Katie can be very mean, as we saw some flashbacks
of this in this episode, we remember Katie is very she's very cold,
she has a break nothing can really and I could see in real life how
that wouldn't be so great like watching her Yeah, okay, ride or die
awesome, But in real life it's a lot. I have so many feelings
about Joe. I don't even know where. We have a lot to get
to before we even get to Joe. But I've flip flopped on Joe like
five thousand times. Yeah I did too, but I ended up back on
the side of I do not like her, and I don't like what she's
trying to do and like stop trying to be part of the I think she's
very manipulative, and I think that's why the cast doesn't care. Oh,
none of them like her because I think she's just We'll get to that,
but first, what we just talked about is basically how it opens with Lama
pulling the whole Katie, you should have been meaner to Ariana. You should
have been honest about your feelings about thinking that she's not carrying her weight with
something about her. Meanwhile, and this is where I'll say, like,
it's not productive for Katie to be like, yeah, I have a bone
to pick with you, Arianna. If she doesn't, maybe she's a person,
and maybe she was venting at the time. Maybe she was like,
Wow, this is a lot and I feel pressure and I've invested a lot
of money in this, and I don't want to have a big problem with
Arianna, And I don't think that that's like, oh, well, if
you have any feelings about it, you need to bring it in front of
the camera. Maybe she doesn't want to do more damage to her friendship.
Maybe she does want to support Ariana, and maybe she's like, why don't
you just be a fucking friend and let me vent a little bit off camera
because it's not a huge problem, and it's not it's not friendship ending,
and I don't want to not be in business with her, right like vent
as people do. That is what people do. Like that's and even Ariana,
of course, she was like, that's fine, Katie, like I
get it. Yes, exactly exactly. Then they all turned, including Schwartz.
Everybody turns on Katie. Then rockets in. Remember that you just said
something, I just wrote. What the fuck Brocks? Shut up? Exactly,
Lala colaps at her like I ride hard? Do not ride hard for
Katie. Don't stop saying you ride hard. It's not two thousand and six.
Honestly, I don't even know really exactly when people said they rode hard
for each other. I don't remember, but I know it's not four.
No, it's been a while. It's back when we called a car or
whip. I mean, it's it's over now. Did you ever do the
whip and the nane? Yes? Or the nares? Of course? What
do you mean? Of course? Because I never did. If I'm honest
now, and I am honest because I am about this is a show where
it's about us being honest. I see is king on this and Cecily if
you won't talk about things like your whip and your nane like I do.
This is my job, okay, and I have a dog to support,
I have children like this is my job, and I bring it here.
I will tell you I will talk all about whipping and Nana, and I
don't care because I I'm real that you're not so much like you won't bring
it up. I'll tell you this much. I'll tell you this much about
whipping and Nana. I love YouTube, but like we all do, we
go down rabbit holes all the time. But there was I had one thought
one time where I was like, maybe YouTube isn't so great when the Clintons,
both Bill and Hillary went on and did the whip and the naa for
some reason. I don't know what it was on, but I remember thinking,
I don't know if we should have YouTube. And that's like a whole
different conversation, and I'm back to loving it. Of course, I know
you love Trump and you're happy that he's trying to get rid of TikTok.
That's kind of been your pet. Well, I don't love him. I'm
romantically linked to him. I think that's where you get confused. I am
sexually attracted and with him sexually on a daily basis. You love his politics.
Oh that's that's where that's for our other show. Yeah, that is
for other people, all right, So ride hard. Katie's over it,
and she's she holds she stands, you know, strong as she does.
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous and Laala's just like, ah, I just love
having a comfortable conversations on camera because it's really productive and makes a good show.
And what you're saying, which I see your point, is that,
Okay, well, thank god for her trying to make good TV. But
what I feel is like, yeah, but you don't give a shit about
undermining your friends making sure that they have conflicts in their life because I'm trying
to support my daughter, Like, come on, be honest about other stuff,
or you be honest about Randall and don't be like no, that's it.
I have an Nda that's custody stuff. And yes, she's just she's
not a good person and I don't understand. Also like, okay, I
know you don't love Sena and we're about to get into Shehena and Schwartz kissing.
I think that was next, right, the kiss, the stupid kiss.
But I will say she looks really good, Like everything looks good,
the botox is perfect, she looks really pretty. Why and not that Lala
isn't gorgeous, but how come Lala's eyebrowser so high up? Like what's the
different What are they doing differently so that when I do it that I get
more of a Sina than a Lala. Well, I think Shina looks I
don't agree. I think Shina looks real fake. But yeah, eyebrows,
that's that's just going. That's just the attitude of I want my money's worth
and then you just keep going, give me more, give me more,
and you end up with joker eyebrows. Okay, I just that was an
honest question because it's like, why is that? Or maybe Arianna would be
a better like that's what to do, that's the to do because she I'm
sure it does a little something, but it looks perfect. Yeah, she's
probably just I think she looks a lot more natural, so she's probably not
doing that much. Maybe she's not that old. I guess was she in
her early forties? I mean I looked good in my early forties. Yeah,
I mean they all look amazing. They all look like they're in there
whatever, much younger. But I'm just wondering why, Why is it because
La La is like yelling at the botox person as she's doing it, yes,
or her face freezes like that. It's because when you get when you
get it in your eye, in your forehead, and you get too much
it raises your eyebrows up. I remember those days. But I feel like
we're done with that. So she's going for that ice skating rink forehead and
probably her person is like, I don't think you want to do that,
and she's like, I, yeah, I do, and they go,
okay, I was going to do. I went to a lady one time
and I was like, okay, I want to do She's like, you
know, I do botox to the stars and I said, what are some
of the stars. She's like, well, I can't really say, but
Nicole Kidman's one of them. And I was like, nope, not doing
it. And that really happened. I lovely. I can't really say,
but Nicole Kidman for sure. That's that's when I can say, why why
can't you say that? One? But a massage. I had a massage
therapist one time and she's like, you know, I get a lot of
this is and first of all, don't talk during the massage, especially,
don't name drop during the massage. And she was just like doing the thing
and she's like, I get a lot of it. And I was like
okay, okay, thank you, And I wasn't asking any follow up questions.
She's like, okay, I'll tell you one, Jimmy Kimmel. Oh
well, in that case, let me turn over and let you do my
front, help me everything and spare no details. Oh well, it's like
the old days. But if she was like, let me just tell you
Jimmy Kimmel loves a happy ending. That's all I can That's all I'm gonna
say. I can't. It's private, and let me just say sorry.
Bro, he hasn't done this in a long time because he doesn't hear very
well. But every now and then his hearing comes back for no reason.
Then ro I hear? Yeah, I gotcha. It's funny that you would
say that because I was swear to God, I was just telling John.
I'm like, I think Peopo's hearing is going oh way. You don't start
noticing that is when you call their name and they don't really look up,
right. I think it's just them being passive aggressive. Oh stop it all
right? Well, you know what, we had a good little stick there.
I'm gonna mute while you well, you gus into the next thing.
Okay, So they do the the cheating basically retrospective, uh, and we
talk about Sena's kissed with Schwartz and then and then they show like how it's
all been very incestuous between all of them. And you would know this better
than I do because you've watched all the seasons. But definitely Sheena has some
kind of like hero thing going on, even which is not something to be
proud of, because she's going to tell you that all the guys have hit
on her, right, and she and then they're like even sand of bal
even sand of ball, and like as would be the most surprising, not
sand of all. He doesn't seem like somebody who would cheat, right,
And then Lisa's like did you use condom? She first of all says condom,
not condoms? Yeah, did you use condom? And then he makes
a joke I guess, which was so gross unnust sary, and I also
didn't get it. Yeah, this the shit out of condom or something for
he said something, oh my lockjaw, So I guess that's a blowjob joke.
So he's going to give a blowjob and then swallow the coll like what,
I don't it's probably making a joke about he's blowing a guy. I'm
sure there's anything wrong with it, but like, oh, is that what
he's doing. He has to be because then Andy laughed, like I got
it. He's quoting some comedian. He has to be, because a Sandaval
would never come up with anything like that, even though it's not good.
But he can barely string a sentence together. And that's just the truth.
You know what. At the end of the day, as you've said before,
Sandoval in schworts not very smart. I used to push back on that,
but I no longer can. They literally they're not the brightest. And
he said it, He's like, look, I'm not that smart. I
mean, you know, God bless him for realizing that. Yeah. Okay,
So then they try to make they try to turn it again back on
Katie, like, oh, so you remember you hooked up with Max?
You really you came hard back whatever for Schwartz, and nobody cares, No
one cared, No one even hardly remembers Max. I don't care that she
hooked up with him. I don't believe she hooked up with them more than
once though, when they were like did you come back for more? And
she's like, maybe I doubt it. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
what do you think. I don't think so, I don't. I think
she's just trying to look kind of cool. And then Schwartz won't even give
her that. He's like, I guess I manifested this, Bubba. I
just like really needed you to hook up with someone, so it'd be like
you're bad too, Bubba. Right, right, couldn't even just be jealous
for five seconds, because if you don't give a shit, right, And
then la Law again takes a little swipe at Katie by going, oh she
He's like, yeah, level of the playing field, and she's like,
oh she she bulldozed that playing field, right. I think she is trying
to support her. I think she was trying to be so. I think
Lala thinks she's so important that whatever she says. So she's got your back,
you're supposed to feel really good and she's got you hard. If she
doesn't have your back, watch out. So in that second, I think
she went back to say like, yeah, Katie wins this round, right,
is what I think Lala meant. But at that point Katie was like
cool, cool, cool, Yeah, I'll never trust you again. Right.
So then the next thing that happens is they are all talking about how
somehow Arianna like might have a swelled head after the affair, Like they're basically
implying that she thinks she's all that because you know, she got Dancing with
the Stars and she's gotten attention and uh. Then Andy asks Arianna if it
was hard for her to see Sheena struggle with her feelings of loving Sandoval and
wanting to let him back in, and then Sheena's like, she didn't even
watch the show. Fuck off, Sheena, also fuck off for the bucket
hat. In the flashback, they show Sheena like complaining about something in a
bucket hat. Aha, and that's not okay either, Right, I don't
know what's worse good as gold or the bucket hat. I really don't.
So Sheena's like acting acting like, well, Arianna wouldn't even have to struggle
with seeing that because she didn't watch the show. And Andy's like, yeah,
but it's so I love it when they call them out. I'm like,
not everything is just the show, Like, you guys are also talking
to each other in real life. So Andy kind of calls that out.
He's like, yeah, but she didn't know you felt that way. And
then I wrote in parentheses, queen shit. Marianna is like, I understand,
obviously, I get it, but I'm probably not the person to come
to with those feelings. And she says it really gently. She's not even
angry. There's nothing, And I feel like Arianna has to go overboard to
stay calm for everyone else, right, because she's tired of feeling so much.
She went through it. She carried the show. She gave it to
you, guys. That's why the show even still exists, is because she
let herself be vulnerable on camera, right, But nobody will like let her
have that right, so then shehena again makes it about herself. I do
not like Shina. She's like, yeah, but I just wanted her to
know that, like I'm her girl, and I'm still here. I'm still
here for her, like even though like my tone and the way I speak
and I tend to say the wrong things and like to the wrong audience,
you know, like how I'm like, well, am I not on Dancing
with the Stars? Right? She carries well, don't forget. She kind
of talks to her Karen. You know, I just don't understand why I'm
not on Dancing with the stars as she is, but I don't know why
she takes that wrong, like, like, you know me, I just
say all the wrong things, you know me. I just was like,
you know me, I just accidentally kill people. Sometimes it's just me.
It's just Shana, it's just hashtag, just Shena, Like, I don't
like that. Don't You don't have to make your look. Let other people
say it for you. You don't have to say it for yourself, right,
right, So then laws, yes, yeah, this was where I
was like losing my mind and I cannot. I can't. I can't with
Laala, as the kids say, she's just this is where she goes on
that rant about how like it's totally different with Randal and this is the mom's
stuff and you don't understand, and case closed, custody, case closed.
But then is like, but Arianna, you kept living with Tom, so
I don't understand, and then you just moved on ten days later. So
now Laala is judging Ariana for moving on, even though Arianna got totally fucked
over, right, and totally fucked over by someone she was with for a
lot longer than Laala was with Randall, who was married, right, right,
But then then and this was stupid too, and I just think that
Laala just doesn't even hear herself, Lala, Lala's. Katie's like, well,
I mean I moved on from Schwartz too, and Lala goes, well,
you weren't traumatized by a manual with for ten years? Yes she was
exactly exactly ten years, like, yes, she was longer. And also
Lala just oh, you know what, it's so upsetting. Then they try
to show a scene and unseen footage which I didn't totally understand, the plant
like plant gate, Yeah, I did, Okay, tell us about that,
Okay, So basically, uh, there was this part where she says
she's always there for Ariana, but Arianna isn't there for her. She's like,
I've been I'm there for you, like the time that you didn't stick
up for me when Charlie called me a hoe. So then they flashed back
on this scene with Charlie going like, yeah, she's a total like hoe
and Ariana guys to laugh and that most right, I will say, I
noticed, like I would love that either, right of course not. But
here's the thing. Lala is calling her out on that at the show and
Arianna's very patiently like, yeah, but we completely talked about that and I
apologize, like we settled that, remember at the plant store. M I
was like, well, I don't like She basically tries to deny it.
So then they roll tape and the tape is of Lalla going like, hey,
I didn't really appreciate it when you didn't stand up for me, like
when Charlie was saying stuff about me, and Laala completely owns it. But
oh, because Lala is like, yeah, but they didn't air it and
Ariana, but that doesn't mean that didn't happen. Lala like it keep screaming
at her man and she's like, but we talked about it on camera and
what it didn't air, And she's like, but it doesn't change the fact
that we had a whole conversation and we put it behind us, and now
you're bringing it back up. And in the conversation it's clear that Ariana completely
owns it, and it's like, I'm really sorry about that. I absolutely
should have been like, that's not okay. That was a lot you're saying
that about her, and please don't do that. That's my friend. I'm
sorry about that, and Lala is like, okay, so it is ridiculous
that Laala is just trying to make TV. And then she says that I
love that. Ariana is like, well, I guess you talk about everyone
stays very calm, Katie, Ariana, everyone around Lalla, and I think
they had the realization like this, she's crazy. She's not to be trusted.
You're not going to win an argument with her, so I'm just gonna
And you notice that they all did that. I mean, I guess they
can't get rid of her. You can't get her off the show at this
point. She's too known, although she's not like the star Oh if there
is if the show even comes back, well yeah, but now I think
I think Laala is completely gunning for being on the Valley. It's like she
probably thinks that's like totally her show. She wants to be, you know.
And by the way, we are recapping the Valley right now in case
you didn't know, oh yeah, and we're into it. We fought it,
but I'm so into it. I am so into this show. But
I think that Laala is just like, oh shit, that shows probably the
value be doing better than vander Pump. And I think she wants in on
that, so I think she's really going for this mom stuff and like not
that she's having another baby just to be on the valley, but you know
what I mean, I think she might be. I thought it. I
almost said that, and then I stopped myself as like, that sounds crazy,
but I'm not sure it is possible. It's absolutely possible. Another baby
that James, as we talked about, picked the sperm form. I like
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right, okay, back to these idiots, no offense when I say idiots,
Listen, I come from a family where we use that, like like
it was a loving term. More hey, moron, Like they'd say that
to hey, hey, hey dummy, Hey dummy, get you go get
you. Yeah, hey, you missed the you missed the ball, dummy,
You'll get it next time. And I think they it was a place
of love. It sounds like if you if you don't think that was loving,
you're just you're too sensitive, loser, learn your lines, loser.
It was it wasn't okay, So who can we skip this stuff about Sena
taking a picture with Sandoval because they already covered that. I feel like they
brought that back up again and we Ariana is not mad, so nobody gives
a shit, right, But the next thing is that they ask Sena like,
so, how jealous and mad were you about Ariana getting dancing with the
stars, And she's like, it's not like I do the do the voice?
Let me get the voice? Like yeah, I mean, I like
I wanted to do it. It's but I have a very busy dance card
myself now with my music. Like she's trying to pretend like I don't need
it anyway. But then she like turns to camera and she's like, but
if you're still looking for people, I'd like to do it. Then Brock
throws her under the bus. He goes, God, it's gonna be really
tough. Yeah, it's like a tough fact to follow. What what?
Oh my god? Do you think they argued about that later? I don't.
I think she's in a daze, to be honest, I don't think
she can even keep up with all this, like her life. I don't
know. I mean I hope so. I want to believe. I would
have been so pissed. I know if that was me, I would have
been so mad. I mean, that's your Your husband knows that, that's
like your dream to be on the show. And he's like, I don't
know, I don't know if friend was because pretty good, pretty good?
You don't want to not bad? You're all right? Is she? Though?
Have we ever we've seen her dance When she does her like little performances
and they're not especially great. She'll do the splits every now and no she
has like no rhythm. No. Yeah. But the thing that also was
annoying is that she was like, oh my gosh, it wasn't even that
I wanted that I want to be on so bad. It was that she
didn't tell me. I just was she told me like she told other people,
she didn't tell me. She told people that she didn't think would say
anything. She knew Sheina would make it all about her and tell everybody right
right which own that own that shit? Sheena just be like, yeah,
I do kind of have a big mouth, right, I probably would have
made it about me. It's just me, It's me Stina. Okay,
now let's get to the real good thing, because now we got Joe.
Ali is such an afterthought. I mean, I'm glad that she exists.
I think she's she makes James a better man. I like her. But
let's talk about Joe, do we? Okay, so we get that we
come back to out the alley thing after Yeah, but you find out Joe.
But that we do find out, though, which I found annoying,
that Joe gives astrological readings for one hundred and ninety five Allie, Ali and
Joe's what, I'm one hundred and ninety five dollars an hour? Yes,
reading a session? Yeah, reading one hundred and ninety five dollars an hour?
Like therapists don't try to charge that. What they do well, yeah,
but there they've also been to school for it. Yes, what did
Ali do? Read an issue of Cosmopolitan magazine? And yes? Come on,
James is like Turney's like, but that's not enough. We could charge
more. Let's think bigger, Let's do what skip do it on zoom,
get do a whole seminar. I mean he's not wrong. I guess ticket
while you can? You know, are you a cancer? You're a cancer?
You're sensitive? You know me? My parents had sex in September,
so I like to go on vacation. What I'm very extroverted because my parents
fucked in March. I've never understood it. I've never and listen, you
know me, You've got me a long time, and like, well,
I love a personality quiz you know I love Meyer's Briggs. I can't believe
people compare those two things. What your rising sign? I mean, look,
if I hired my chart done done a couch in November. So I'm
a bit prickly. I'm a bit prickly pair. Come on, I mean,
I can't tell you how many people in my life though, people that
are extremely intelligent, people that are listening. I have had my chart done.
I'm sure you have to. Like, I didn't choose it, but
I've had people in my life go let me do your thing, and I'll
do it. Did you pay one hundred and ninety five dollars for it?
I paid five hundred and ninety five dollars. Oh, I didn't pay my
rent that month because I did need to know what my moon sign was,
and it's Pisces. Bitches. It just feels like there's so many different Like
you can't just be a cancer, which I am. You have to have
what's your rising sign, what's your lowering sign? What's your flag? What's
your house? What's your house? Of the rising signs? We told you
this on board, but I kind of like some of it, even though
I don't believe in any of it, but it's fun to read, right,
So I'm like, Okay, so I'm Sagittarius, I'm Scorpio rising,
all this thing that I've found out, right, But then there's one thing
called like your black moon, and I was like, what's this? So
I did I put all my numbers in you know, your date of birth
and your what time you were born and all that shit, And so it
comes back Libra, which apparently is the only one that's like, oh you're
doomed, like literally the whole thing. I'm like, so any to have
one out of twelve chance to have your black moon or whatever it is in
Libra and it's like you'll never You're just not going to get there is not
crazy. But there's got to be other people that have so every so that's
it. You just don't even Hey, listen, Ali, if you're listening,
come on the show and explain what your black moon is and how I
can and how is that any different than like tarot cards. It's not,
thank you, even tarot cards usually have a positive spin. Yeah, I
don't understand any of it. I feel like, if, if anything,
go see a medium, you know, if you're into that kind of thing,
like get some valid information, talk to somebody who's crossed over. Yeah,
I still why I love a ghost, right, but like, doesn't
that sound more reasonable to spend your money on if if somebody's a medium to
hear from your you know, dead relatives then just to find out like what
your rising sign is, which you can do on your own. You don't
even need Ali for this. That's what I'm saying. We're not trying to
kill her business now, but I'm just saying, let's I'll do it for
one ninety she's charging one ninety five. Let me do your astrology chart for
I'll do it for one eighty five. I'll do it for fifty. I
don't okay, I'll I mean, I might not tell you what you want
to hear, but that you have a black moon and libra. I mean,
I'm in trouble. Okay. So Joe, by the way, did
you think it was where that Joe's just now meeting Andy for the first time.
Yes, and this is definitely one thousand percent her dream come true.
This is this has been her goal and we're going to find that out and
I'm gonna get rollinoid. Yeah, this this gets Oh. This is when
I started going back and forth because it was so sad when He's like,
yeah, I mean, I don't like just like you know, we're just
buddies. Joseph and I are buddies and She's like, uh no, this
was a very serious relationship. They basically say it at the same time.
M yeah, no, we were together. But then I kind of came
over and they as did everyone like poor Joe on that part. Well as
as I've said, Schwartz is a terrible but he's terrible. Yeah, he's
and he did gaslight. We overused the term, but he that's that's exactly
the definition. Yes, he gas lit her, and he took and well
he also just lied to her and told her everything she wanted to hear so
that he could like have a lot of regular sex with her. And then
was like, I don't know what you're talking about, like we're just we're
good friends. And then they were having sex like once or twice a week,
which is dating. He was saying, I love you. They were
going on dates like I mean, my god, it's like, well it
wasn't like, you know, sending her texts and being like I love you,
but like, yeah, I told her how much I cared about her
and I love you. He said. It was like yeah, I do.
I mean I did love Joseph, so like during sex I loved her
especially, so I tell her that, I mean I felt also. At
the beginning of this, before we even get to that part, they're all
all of the cast is like, okay, so how do you guys know
each other? And her thing was so bullshitty. She Joe's things. She's
just like, uh, you know, like we just kind of like friends
whatever, Like we would just like and they're like, you were friends,
you guys, but how did how were you friends? Oh? Just like
you know, because of like I did a friend. We'll wait. Then
she goes, you know, we would like text each other like funny things.
Sometimes I'd see him like a few times a year. And everyone's like,
okay, so how do you go from seeing him a few times a
year two living with him? And then Schwartz tried. She's like, oh
no, she was part of like the friend group. She was like friends
with Kristin Dowdy, you know. But but Lala was like, yeah,
but how did you end up living with him if you barely knew him and
you only talked a few times a year? And she goes, well it
was COVID And Katy goes, no, it wasn't. And she goes,
well, okay, yeah, it might have been after COVID, but still
like COVID is still going on, so basically still COVID. No, bitch,
it's not COVID anymore. We are not on lockdown like that is that
is just a blatant lie, totally. She she had a good point where
she said like, Okay, if you're such your best friends with Kristin Dody,
then why didn't you stay with Kristin? Right? Why didn't you stay
with her? Who lived? She's like, didn't you live just down the
street right? Right? That seems kind of weird? No answer for that?
Oh yeah, they were. Oh. Schwartz was like, Kristin had
a luve going on because she was out of love chaos, which is true.
Well, and he kind of also implied that Kristin and Joe had like
drama between them and that, which is like, well, that's doesn't sound
good. Why is Joe having drama with all these people? And then Katie
goes, yeah, well, Kristin was surprised that you didn't hit her up
to stay with her. That's kind of rich because I cannot express to you
and I know I ride or die for Katie if that's what we're still saying.
But Katie was so mean to Kristin. So it's funny that she's like
now the voice for Kristin, like my best friend Kristin, because they did
have a business to get. I mean, Katie was vile to Kristin.
Okay, I'm not saying she didn't deserves not the right word. But I'm
not saying Kristen's not difficult, right, really awful, but like Katie was
vile she and Katie's kind of weirdly like sometimes a little bit of a beta,
even though she's so strong, She's kind of a beta. So she
really followed whatever Stacy before they got in a big fight, but she followed
whatever Stacy did. So I just think it's important. It's just funny to
me. So then Joe, Sorryanna says something and Joe rolls her eyes,
and I just wrote, don't you roll her eyes at mother? Arianna?
Oh yeah, that was her whole thing. Her whole thing was that she
was trying to be on the show and it was very, very obvious.
And I think you ready for my theory. Yes, I have a theory
about this. I think that well, well, first let's just say that
Andy basically she denies. She says, Andy says, so were you guys
upset that Joe knew about Rachel and Sandoval's affair and they're like yeah, and
then Andy goes, well, how do you guys, how do you know
she knew? And Arianna says, well, because of her proximity to Schwartz,
and plus there was some stuff that went down in that apartment and also
something happened in Big Bear, which we don't get to know, right And
Andy's like, Joe, were you told not to say anything? And Joe
goes, no, okay, bitch, then why didn't you say something?
And why are you acting like I don't know, I'm just so innocent.
I don't think Joe is innocent at all. And then then there's the part
where Joe and Schwartz both say yeah, they're having sex two three times a
week. Everyone's like, well, that's a relationship, and then Schwartz says,
this is going to go towards my theory. Schwartz is like, well,
it was heading into a relationship, but something changed and I pulled away,
and nobody says what changed? What changed? And Joe goes, we
don't need to talk about that, which Laala should have called that shit out
and been like, yeah, we do. We let's talk about it.
So then yeah, So then they show a scene where Schwartz is saying like,
yeah, I feel sorry for her because like she asked if I was
embarrassed to be seen with her. And then also he says, and here
here is my theory. He says, well, I was really into her
before this was before we started filming this season, because she gave the impression
she wasn't interested at all in being on the show. So I think that's
what changed between them. I think Schwartz realized, Oh, this bitch wants
to be on the show, and she's pushing to be in my life and
be my girlfriend when I'm not ready to have a girlfriend. I think they
both kind of agreed that they're fuck buddies. And then she was like acting
like she why don't you take me around to be with these girls and why?
And I think he was like, oh, she wants to be on
the show. Well, and then who said who said you're being breadcrumbed?
Was that sheina? Somebody said that to her. And then that's when Joe
starts crying because she starts to realize like, oh my god, because I
think it wasn't just that Joe wanted to be on the show. Yes,
I agree with you on that, but I think also she wanted to do
it because she wanted to lock him down, which I think you're also saying
she really liked Schwartz. I think she liked him. I think she liked
him. But I think one hundred percent she really wanted to be on the
show because he's into this new girl now and guess that's what she was never
on the show. She will be, She will be. I mean,
if they're going to really really date, she'll be on the show. Maybe
it'll be less than some people like Ali became a show, you know,
like she'll be if she stays around. Which it broke my heart when he
said that, because then when it comes around and they like, understand you
have a new girlfriend into her face just as like white. Oh, I
think it's so mean of sure. So, I mean he's a monst,
like he's a sociopath. He names Also he names all these things that Joe
like. Okay, so Joe may not be like a super model, although
obviously she's very pretty. So but her thing is trying to like I'm funny,
I'm not like other girls. I'm a robot. I'm funny, you
know. Yeah, And so then he says of this model girlfriend, like
she's obviously the beautiful, but that's the least thing. She's so funny.
She has a great career, which I don't think Joe does. Well.
She's right, she's a hairdresser, but not that that can't be a great
career. But it seems like she's I don't know, if she's not killing
it. Probably yeah, exactly if she was sleeping on couches and stuff,
which is fine, No one's judging Joe that, But Schwortz has to throw
everything in her face. And that's when she started crying, like, isn't
that what she's shart crying? Yeah. I have to be totally honest though,
and say I did feel I felt bad for the amount of lying that
Shorts did. I felt like it was pretty rough that they were definitely dating,
and that he didn't want to bring her around, he didn't want to
admit it. He was hitting on other girls in front of her and being
like, but we're just friends. We're just friends. Like when they went
to that thing where he was now, I see it now a little bit
differently. That event they went to the singles event where yeah, no wonder
she was like pissed because they were fully sleeping together like a lot, so
she was probably like, are you kidding me? Like you can't even be
I believe that he told her I'm just going to be a wingman, which
which is what she said. He he said I'm just going to be a
wingman for Sandoval and then ended up with a wristband. I think that's why
she was pissed. So I understand why she was pissed. But I do
think she was really trying to make herself like so innocent, and I did.
I didn't feel that bad for her, you know what, I'll give
you this. I did feel bad for her, but she could have said
to She could have taken this moment because she wanted she so wants to be
liked, but then immediately turned on Katie. When Katie even said I even
felt bad for you. That was he's being a fuck boy and I felt
bad when I watched it, and she's like, did you right? There
was no excuse, Like there was every excuse for Katie to hate you and
to be an asshole to you. Katie could be a lot worse than what
she was. I don't think it's great. But like, what Joe could
have done is she could have said, like Katie, I am sorry that
was I shouldn't have sent that text to you, and like played both sides.
I really had feelings for Schwartz, but it was too soon, and
you know, I can't change my feelings, but I apologize. That's all
she had to say. Yeah, but she wouldn't, and she did a
lot. I think Joe is being very shady. She was, whether or
not it's because Tom was making her be shady Schwartz, you know, whether
whatever her reason was, she was being very shady. And this whole like,
well it was COVID. She's still bullshitting, and that's my problem with
it. Why not just go like, yeah, we started staying together and
she's like, I didn't have a crush on him. Oh sorry, am
I supposed to say I had a crush on you. It's not going to
like hurt your feelings that I didn't like you that way? Obviously you freaking
did right, clearly, and did you started sleeping with him immediately? Right?
And that she should have addressed that. Yeah, And then you know
Katie, you know, Katie's like, look, it sucked. That was
and also here here I'm going to sound like Lala, but it's not Joe's
show. And that's why I feel like it was annoying that Joe was trying
to make it like well, everybody was being so mean to me, like
from the cast. It's like, because the storyline is not really about you
and your relationship with him. The storyline is like about Katie and how much
fucking around Schwartz is doing and lying about it to Katie, right, which
luckily she's strong enough, like she's over it. She's been over it for
years, right, But I mean to go to that moment, just watching
her face and he's like, yeah, Sophia or so whatever the girlfriend's name
is, she's hot, funny, but that's disrespectful to Joseph. He says
that immediately calling her freaking Joseph stopped calling her by your stupid Joe Cooy nickname.
And then they bring up with Katie used to call Joe like spooky crackhead,
Yeah, creep, not very nice. That that is actually when she
started crying and I really did feel for her, and Katie tried. You
know, Katie is not great at apologizing as me know, and she is
cold, but like she's not totally we get it, we get it.
Yeah, that was the problem I've sort of I was. I just wasn't
I felt I was like, this is where I was like, Okay,
you might push back on me because I was not feeling that bad for Joe.
I mean, I get it, I do. I really get it
because she did a shitty thing and if if she'd only owned it, if
she owned it, she would have everyone on her side, the whole audience
would love her if she started crying. It was like I really was in
love with him and he was telling me all these things and it's so complicated
and I'm really sorry, like just say right, and Joe. This is
where I like really got annoyed. She's like, I'm fine, I'm not
dating when but you know Aaron Rodgers. And then Arianna was like, oh
dude, no, that guy's like a conspiracy theorist. Right. She didn't
care, like she's wrong with these people. This is where I was all,
this is where I've it sealed the deal about Joe. I'm like,
what are you doing? She's so awkward. Yeah, she's so awkward about
like okay, well, uh, well, oh, this is the thing.
Well, Katie is defending herself about the things she said. She's like,
well, I was coming out of a marriage, and you know,
I didn't love that this individual, meaning Joe, was like moving in in
ways I felt were shady. So I used some colorful descriptors. Joe's like
colorful, colorable. Katie goes, yeah. Also, she don't forget that.
She's also tried to use every single thing in the book about her stuff
like I have ADHD I have that. Yes. But then then after the
Aaron Rodgers comment, she goes, yeah, or John Mayer, get it?
Get it? I said a John Mayer thing, because because that was
in the news that like, Sena, do you guys get it? Do
you guys get like she shot me on your show, you should put me
on you. I should be big on your show because I'm really funny.
She's like oh, and then she just like been there, done that.
Stop. She goes, That's why I said it. That's why I made
that joke, because like I know, because like I know about you and
like John mayor god, that sounds so mean. And then she said no,
and then I love that. Even Andy at that point is annoyed though,
because he was like when she said Aaron Rodgers, He's like, yeah,
that guy's a whack of doo. And then he wants to move on.
And then she says to John Mayer and they're real good friends, you
know, Andy and John, and I don't think he Andy really wants it
even brought up. So then she is just like yeah, ah. And
then then we move over to Ali. I guess there's nothing really We've covered
her astrology, but what do we think about I will never be I think
James and his love of this dog, I will never question it. I
think he loves that dog more than anything ever, and I love that for
him. Yeah, so I guess I did. I wasn't really one hundred
percent. I mean I got it after watching this thing. But basically,
let's see James Rachel. Oh, I guess okay. Andy says to James
that Rachel's weighed in publicly and believes that the dog's behavior issues are his fault
because of how he treated him as a puppy. And then there's a there's
a whole scene about like the puppy greeting him for the first time. Did
you understand what was happening. Well, that's when he came back. I
think that's when he got he got the dog again, because Rachel, like
Gate, I think, was like yeah whatever, didn't really care or went
away. I'm not exactly sure why she didn't keep grant it was Graham Cracker
back then. So then somehow Lisa was like, Okay, I'm going to
rehome to James, like James really wants this dog. And so when we
saw that, that was James seeing I think I'm not sure. Now I'm
not sure because that doesn't make sense because he was still calling it Graham Cracker.
So now I'm actually not suree is from the record. I don't know.
Maybe it was when it's puppy. I don't know. Well, basically
all that happened, but in that scene that's different. I think that is
when it was still a puppy. You're right. So this part, I
think is also when Sandoval or let me see if it comes up in my
notes later. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, that'll get We'll get to
that a little bit later. But basically then they ask Alie. Andy's like,
Ellie, you said you weren't ready to get married and have kids,
but how do you feel now, She's like the same, you guys aren't
really an inspiring group twenty eight. Yeah, she says that she's like except
you La, La. Yeah, they're like nice cover. Yeah. Yeah.
Then we find out Lala has been sober for five and a half years
and she's very proud of that, which hats off girl, and James is
almost a year sober and it is because this is kind of a reveal.
Allie got real mad and moved out for a few nights over his drinking,
right, but he does kind of own it. He's like, yeah,
when I drink, I've got a mouth on me, and I do get
disrespectful. I mean he gets vile, like he really has been, although
you know he's California sober, which is like that's his choice, but I
do think that's a better like if he has to choose between pod and alcohol,
like pod seems to be doing better things for him. Yeah, I
guess, and cocaine. I'm just kidding. I don't think. I don't
know. He's always so hyped up that it's kind of hard to tell,
but drinking definitely made it. I mean he would go dark right and really
so good. I mean, Ali she's good for him. Yeah, I
just think it's I think one of the reasons why she might not want to
commit to marriage is he's bit a bit unstable, you know. I mean,
a year is not a long a real long time to be sober.
And also, I don't know, she could just be worried that he's going
to relapse. Right. She seems to not want anything to do with him
drinking, right because Andy's I just don't I don't think that he has a
lot of hand in this relationship. And I think that that's what I mean.
I know you've said to me that he is capable of being into people
that are into him, but there's something about her that's a little distant and
a little like, sure, you like me more than I like you,
And I think he is comfortable with that. I don't know. I still
push back, though, because I think when he was with Rachel, like
he they were equally into each other. I don't think he's that guy.
He's got a lot of issues, but I don't think that's his thing.
Okay, I just because he was really into Kristin, but they were just
too crazy, drunken, explosive people that would say the worst thing, well,
especially him, right, and they were physically they were physically putting hands
on each other. Oh god, they were a nightmare and that you know,
that was his worst year for sure, But I mean he was very
into her. I didn't even know about the Kristen thing. Oh yeah,
Kristen's who brought him into the group. Oh mm hmm, oh yeah,
oh yeah, that's a whole thing to go back to. Okay, So
then we talk about Anne, Yes, who, by the way, we
have we are so so excited we're having her on this show. Yes,
we'll be on. She and Amanda, who have a podcast called We Signed
an Nda, They're both coming on our They're both going to be on next
week. And we find out on this at the end, now we're nearing
an end of this union, that like Sandoval is either pretending or really feels
this way. Who knows with him, but that he was really annoyed with
her. Do you believe it even? Do you think Sandival even cares and
even knows he had an assistant. I think that he was annoyed just because
he's so bitter and he has no reason to be over Ariana, Like he's
just mad at her all the time all about him, right she was.
He was mad at her back in the day because she was mopey, she
had depression problems. He didn't like that. He was mad because now that
she's doing well, she can't she really can't win right with him. And
then she tried. So Sandival tries to throw Anne under the bust about the
dog gate when and I love the ari and I was like, yeah,
I'm kind of gross, like I had some chicken by my bedside. It's
my only space, right, that is mine. I don't want to eat
in the kitchen where he might come in, so whatever, And you're supposed
to ask, but you know, and then he's like, well, I
don't know, it could have been and that left the door open, right,
Yeah, well we will be asking Anne. We have to ask her
about Yes, that's for sure a question that we have to ask her.
And next week, by the way, also looks the reunion looks good.
There's going to be a James v. Santimal hardly talked at all this this
episode, which is probably why we liked it. Yeah yeah, did it
a little? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. Should we do some shouts?
Do some shouts? Yeah, but we should just before I think we skated
over that last. It was pretty dramatic, the fight that Tom gets into
with James over the dog being Oh no, it was in the actual show.
Uh would. They start talking about how Ariana the thing about Ariana,
he kind of blames it on uh Anne. But then they ask Ariana whether
she's going to keep the dogs or Tom will get them, and she tells
us about how, no, that's my dog and I paid for the first
one came in was that her cat. The cat she came in with the
relationship, and then the dog she got she paid for, She did the
paperwork, it's her dog. And then basically James says, well, Tom
kind of as acts like he's bugged about it, and then James chimes in
that when his dog was taken away by Rachel, Tom thought that was fine,
he had no issue with it, so he better not have an issue
with her keeping her dogs. And then then Tom just gets mad at him
and is like, oh, I've got stuff on you? Does he have?
He's like, I'm being quiet, but I could say some stuff that
I know about you. Well, why he was like, eat a dick,
Like you eat a dick? You already ten dicks Sandaval's like, I
already eat dicks. I mean, they might as well just go there if
that's what I think what he's trying to say. Because he dated Rachel Raquel,
you know, he had his affair, so he's probably trying to hold
things that she told him about James. There were probably some really terrifying,
explosive fights. James was definitely could be mentally abusive. I can't speak for
other things, but he would get, you know, say really mean things.
So maybe that's what Sandival's trying to throw at him. M h.
And I mean, James doesn't give a shit because if Rachel's going to say
it, she's going to say it already, right, Cadaval's not going to
be the person for that, right. And by the way, I saw
an interview with her talking about her podcast recently, Rachel and she's like,
I'm just really proud of myself and like never ever has ever said I'm I
She maybe has said I'm sorry, but she really takes no one. She's
still the victim in the whole thing, and she's really proud of her strength.
Oh my god, keep that in mind about our friend. Yeah,
Well, she's all about how you know, none of this has anything to
do with her because she was one hundred percent groomed, which it is like,
yeah, I mean Tom is gross, but like well groomed. She's
like thirty right right anyway, Okay, yeah, let us let us do
some shouts. You can. I start saying that, like if a guy's
kind of addicted to me and he's like two years older, five years older,
can I be like groomer, you know, even like in my forties
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It's called Deceitful Reflection. I love that title. You can get it
on Amazon. Just go to Amazon, look it up, just type in
Deceitful Reflection and get yourself a copy because it's got all the things. And
if you want to follow her, she is at Writers and Underscore Readers one
four three. I'm gonna say that again. Writers and underscore readers one four
to three on instack follow her and you can get like updates about her book
and what she's doing and all that. So again, it's called deceitful reflection,
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