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and the Team House with your hopes. Jack Murphy and David Bark Hey,

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everyone, Welcome to episode two hundred
and forty of The Teamhouse. I'm Jack

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Murphy here with Dave Park. Our
boy Adam White is back there in the

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darkness, Dee's pressing the buttons and
our guest in studio. He's third appearance

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on the show, but the first
time in studio. We're really excited to

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have him here. I haven't seen
this dude in person for like seventeen years.

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This Mike Edwards. Mike served in
the seventy fifth Ranger Regiment. We

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were in three seven five back in
the day together, and he went on

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to have a career in the Regimental
Reconnaissance Company and then as a military freefall

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instructor. So we're really excited to
have you here. Man. Well,

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thanks for having me back. I
appreciate it. Yeah, good to see

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you on person for real. Yeah, hell yeah. And oh, shout

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out to a new artwork on the
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you guys go check her out at
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follow her on Instagram. Yes,
it's got amazing art. Definitely check her

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stuff out. She has awesome stuff. That is sweet. So, Mike

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Man, I'm gonna have you.
Uh, I'm sorry if I have you

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repeat yourself a little bit, but
I'm gonna I think it got cut off

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a little bit in our first interview
actually, but I'm going to ask you

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to tell us a little bit about
like your origin story and sort of your

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upbringing in like your path towards military
service, Like, how did that come

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about for you? Yes, So
I grew up living out in the country,

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just me and my brother playing in
the woods, shooting baby guns,

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hunting squirrels and you know, rabbits
and stuff like that in rural Alabama.

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Had a normal upbringing. Good mother, good father, you know, I

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love them. Both were still close. My whole family's close cousins, aunts,

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uncles, so I had a good
bond there with family. Grew up.

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As I got a little bit older, my dad went in the army.

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He went in the Army kind a
little bit later in life, like

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in his thirties, and he became
an officer. So once I got older,

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Yeah, I never really thought about
joining the military, but I was

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probably about midway through high school and
I just decided, you know, I

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want to try out the military,
you know, go in the National Guard.

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So I joined the new National Guard. My dad wanted me to be

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an officer, so I ended up
doing boot camp and AI t for the

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National Guard. Was in the infantry
National Guard, and then went to marrying

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military and suited to be an officer, So did two years there and then

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I was good at Rotc's type stuff, the military aspect of it. But

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I was too I was young and
immature. I wanted to party, and

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I was too worried about trouting,
you know, drinking and partying and stuff

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like that. So I didn't focus
on grades as well as I should.

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The military aspect, I mean,
like all hundreds, but then you know,

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PET score, good to go.
But then some of the other aspects

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I was struggling on. So I
ended up withdrawing from school after two years.

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It was a two year military school
where you do two years, you

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get your commission as an officer,
and then you'd go to like University of

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Alabama or Auburn or something like that. So I withdrew failing and just decided

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to just move back in with my
mom down in like Gulf Shores Folly area

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of Alabama. Lived down there,
did some construction work for a little bit,

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but you know, the army thing
was kind of always in the back

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of my mind. So I ended
up enlisting to go active duty. Started

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off in third Infantry Division at Kelly
Hill on Fort Benning in a mechanized infantry

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unit. Did a little bit of
time. There have some good friends still

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keep in touch from from back then, but did some time there. Ended

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up wanted to go Special Forces.
Always thought like special Forces Green Beret was

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like the way to go. My
dad was like, hey, special Forces

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is the brains. Rangers are the
brawn. That's what my dad used to

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say. And you know, I
ended up doing everything to get ready to

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set up for Special Forces selection and
then you know, had did the prept

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test, had a selection date setup, and then boom got popped for orders

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to go to Korea. So I
did a year in Korea and then nine

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to eleven popped off, and then
things changed and I ended up going to

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the Ranger Regiment. So I guess
that's kind of in a nutshell kicking it

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off from childhood up to initial entry
in the army. What what was it

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like when you were in because I
didn't even know if there is MC and

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I an infantry anymore? There?
Yeah, the Strikers, Yeah, Bradley's

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Yeah, I was in a Bradley. No, No, it's not because

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it used to be yeah loving Mike, Yeah, no I don't. I

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don't think the ms exist really.
Yeah, So like, what what was

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that light compared to like straight leg
infantry? It was it was completely different

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we were at the mercy of those
bradleys, right, So wherever the bradley

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went, that was like our little
that was like our shop, you know,

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So it rolled around they did staying. We kept all of our gear

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strapped to the outside of it,
like our rucksacks are shopped on the outside,

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MRIs and stuff like that. It
would drop the rap. We would

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go do light infantry stuff, but
then we'd always come back to that bradley

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and it actually we ended up spending
a lot of time in those bradleys too.

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I remember one time at NTC we
were driving around. I think we

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were like twenty something hours straight in
the back of the bradleys. I mean,

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you're just like sleeping like this,
and then you're up and then you're

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sleeping like everybody's piled in there.
You're stacked in there like sardines, right,

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And those things. I don't know
if a lot of people know they

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have a drain hole plug in the
bottom of them because they're made to be

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amphibious, right, So even the
newer ones still have the legacy train plugs.

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So we'd be in those things.
You couldn't unhatch that thing. It

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was like it was like you almost
had to have orders to let the ramp

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down, so twenty something hours in
there, like we were popping those train

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holes out and peeing out of the
train holes. It was nasty in the

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back of those things, just to
be quick with it. But yeah,

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it was. It was different,
a lot different than light infantry. Yeah,

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I never really experienced light infantry until
I got to the Ranger Regiment.

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Yeahah, what was it like for
you in Korea because that's uh, that's

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kind of a hardship to it,
right for infantry. Yeah, that's what

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I mean, that's what they call
it. So for me when I went

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there, it was prior to nine
to eleven. When I initially got there,

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it was we had a star major
that was big on PT so,

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I mean that kind of set me
up for the Ranger Regiment. He was

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like, I want everybody to run
a marathon before the time you leave here.

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In twelve months of your year.
He's like, we're gonna do a

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little bit more, a little bit
more, a little bit more. So

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we do these incredibly slow but yet
long runs. So by the time that

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year was up, I had run
a marathon in a battalion formation like like

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probably two thirds of the formation was
gone, like because we were on Camp

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Casey and then there was another base
called Camp Hoby. So we'd run around

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Camp Casey, then run around Camp
Hoby, then run around Camp Casey,

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and then around Camp Hoby's super small
bases. Every time we passed by a

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battalion area, like formation would just
sheathe off, you know what I mean,

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Like, oh so, but you
know I couldn't quit because I had

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that drive that got me to the
Ranger Regiment, so that set me up

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for it. We did a lot
at rock marching and stuff and then eleven,

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but you were stuck there on the
base. There wasn't a whole We

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did a little bit of training,
probably trained a little bit more than I

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did Stateside in the mechanized infantry,
But then nine to eleven happened and they

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like locked the base down. They
had us pull in security. We were

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doing like roving patrols around the base, and you know, everybody was like

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on, you know, super high
alert. But the thing that really got

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me was that here we are now
at war, right or like at the

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very beginning we thought we were going
to war, but they amped up security.

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Yet I was carrying around in m
sixteen with no AMMO in it,

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literally no m or. At first
they had us with axe handles, like,

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beck, I'm I gonna do with
an ax handle man, But they

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had us with axe handles carrying it
around. Then they gave us rifles,

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but like you had to inspect the
crap out of them and then you could

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walk around, but you had no
AMMO. Then eventually it finally got to

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where we get IVAMMO, but your
magazine, every round was counted and tape

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was over the top of it,
and it was stuffed in the magazine well

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with tape on the top of it, so if you wanted to shoot anybody,

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you had to take it out,
take the tape off, put it

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back in, and rack it.
So it was frustrating. So it really

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had like a disdain for the army. I really hated it and I really

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wanted to get on it. And
I noticed it before that we would guard

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empty concrete pads for like hours while
everybody was out, and I'm like,

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why am I wasting my time doing
this? And then nine to eleven kind

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of perpetuated that. But I was
now, we're at war and that's what

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I joined the military for. So
I just looked to re enlist, and

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so I re enlisted for Ranger Battalion
and that's where I went from there.

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And what was it that took you
to the Rangers instead of SF like you

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had planned? Well, there was
a guy that was in my unit out

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there actually, And speaking of that, it was one of the things they

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did in Korea was the Manchu Mile, so they called it. It's like

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a thirty mile rock march. And
I love rock marching so much. So

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we're like hut like rocking about fifteen
miles into this rock march and I'm just

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like, everybody's sucking, but I'm
like, dude, I love this stuff.

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And this dude was like, if
you love this, you need to

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be a Ranger. And I was
like, I was thinking about doing Special

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Forces, but he was like,
nah, you want to go to the

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Ranger Regiment. He's like, you
go to Ranger Regiment, You're gonna kill

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bad guys if you want to do
this kind of stuff in rock march took

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you up with all the rock marching, you designed all your hearts yeahs.

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So I said, okay, well
I was so I started asking more questions.

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I didn't know anything about Rangers.
And then you know, that's ended

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up being the route that I went. I went and re enlisted, and

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I wasn't sure that I was going
to go to Ranger Bertine because I think

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they mixed it up with a Ranger
school at first. But luckily, through

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the coaching of that NCO, I
was able to make sure that I went

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to Ranger Batin and so I went
and did that and then almost didn't make

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it like I was selling out them
today. I almost didn't even make it

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into RIP because you know, they
do vehicle inspections. At the very beginning

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of RIP, well, I had
a tellight that was out in my vehicle

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and I can't remember exactly how it
happened, but one of the cadre was

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like, it's no big deal.
You're not going to drive it while you're

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in RIP, so it's just gonna
be parked. You can get it fixed

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after RIP, and I said,
okay, cool. So then I ended

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up getting questioned by another one of
the cadre and I was like, well,

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the caduret said that I could get
it fixed afterwards, and they're like,

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no, you got to get it
fixed right now. He never told

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you that, And I'm like wait, that's what he told me. They're

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like, well, you're calling Cadre
a liar. I was like, I'm

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just saying that's what he told me, and I'm sorry if I mean,

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if you think I'm calling him a
liar. They're like, you're dropped from

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the course, like right at the
beginning, like I'd just gotten smoked up

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a little bit, boom dropped from
the course. Now I was in holdovers.

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But I literally went like with tears
in my eyes. I was like

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please, and like I beg the
Cadre. I was like, please give

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me another shot. I like,
I will do anything. I did not

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mean to say that he was a
liar. I was just saying what I

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heard and I wasn't trying to call
him a liar. Maybe there was a

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misunderstanding or whatever, but I was
like, please don't kick me out,

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and so luckily he had compassion for
me and let me start the next rope

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class. So it's it's wild sometimes
like these these edge moments in people's careers,

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especially in military careers. Yeah,
that can make or break them depending

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on how it goes. Yeah,
you know, that's totally out of your

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control. It's totally out of your
control. There's a lot of that that

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happens. Yeah, you know,
yeah, yeah, yeah. So what

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so what was it like for you
when you got to battalion. You're what

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rank were you? I was an
E four, so you're an import?

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Yeah, I was an import untabbed
E four no ranger tab getting there.

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Luckily, I consider myself squared away. I mean, the guys that knew

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me may say otherwise. I thought
I was squared away, like I had.

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I pretty much had the the seven
dash shape memorized back then. I

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was in physically, I was in
really good shape. I was in way

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better shape than most of the other
privates, so I didn't have that hanging

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over my head. I was knowledgeable, so I kind of was able to

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kind of stay under the radar for
the most part. But I mean,

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you know how it is as a
private ranger battalion. Yeah, you can't

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stay under the radar. You're gonna
get just destroyed constantly. One of the

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big things that I remember was we
went we had we had done a range.

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Talking about Joe Capp, he was
one of my He was one of

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my guys in my squad at the
time, Like I was a team leader,

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and he was one of my guys. I think, I think at

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the time we're he was. Maybe
it was when we were sample teon,

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but we went out to a range
and it was either him or one other

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guy. I had inspect my gear. We did a live fire and we

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had remember we'd had that dude that
got shot with the blank adapter on in

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the Shootousember school. Yeah, that
big deal. Four three or four sounds

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about right, So that was a
big deal. I was a brand new

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corporal and that dude got shot with
a live round to a blank adapter,

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and so they were like really being
scrutinizing on like Blake's blanks and live ammo

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ammo shakedowns did. So we're at
this range, I had my dudes,

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I swear to god, I had
my dudes shake me down, like check

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my stuff, and they checked all
my pouches and stuff, go back,

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throw my my rack into the wallocker. And then about a week later we

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had a range where it's a machine
gun range and I was a brand new

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RSO, like corporal. So they're
like, you're gonna go be the RSO.

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So I'm like all right, So
I got go out there to be

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the range safety officer and didn't shoot. Left my kid in the bust the

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whole time. But then at the
end of the range, they're like,

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everybody, bring your stuff out and
lay it out. And then they were

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like and I was like, do
you want me to grab mine? Sorry,

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and they're yeah, yeah, grab
yours too, and I'm like,

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okay. I go to grab it
out of the bus and you know how

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it is like when you grab it
and you're like, wait a minute,

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what's that feels a little heavy.
Yeah, it's a little weird. There's

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there's a smoke grenade in one of
my pouch, just a smoke grenade.

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But I'm like, my heart sank
right away, and I'm like, oh

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my god, I hope and I
know where that came from. They did.

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They just didn't check that very backpack. It was one of those dump

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pouches, but that zipped up.
I was like, oh my god.

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So I take this thing out there
and I lay it out and I'm just

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like I go over to the platoon
so and I'm like, hey, sorry,

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I got bad news for you.
I was like, in that pouch,

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I have a smoke grenade that was
left over from another range. They

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just laid into me. Oh that's
it. They like started They're like,

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you go stand over there, do
push ups, and like I'm doing push

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ups and push ups and push ups. And then they finished checking everybody else,

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load everybody on the bus. This
is at Red Cloud Range, so

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not too far from the resident of
the street, but it's like three miles

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or so. They made me.
They took the bus back and they made

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me imt like, I'm up.
He sees me, I'm down. I'm

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up, he sees me, I'm
down, all the way back three miles

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of IMT's, dude, this is
the beginning of it, right, And

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meanwhile the bus just left me.
They sent a humbie back to like monitor

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me imting all the way back.
So I get back. Then my squad

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leader says, I want you to
go all the way up. They basically

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briefs me on all this stuff.
He's like, you're gonna, uh,

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You're gonna understand accountability of your equipment
and how important this all is and making

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sure you've got all your stuff.
And I'm like, how does this even

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have anything doing? You have a
smoker name. But he made me imt

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to the barracks and grab like just
like the canteen cup, come all the

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way back that imt all the way
back. IMT you know, for the

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crowd out there is individual movement techniques
like I'm up running, Yeah, like

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you're being shot at. You're taking
cover the whole way, so you can't

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just run there and back. So
it takes a while. So I go,

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then I get the canteen, then
I come back, get the canteen

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cover, then I go get the
alice clips. Until all of my TA

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fifty, all of my entire issue, this was about eight hours later.

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Oh my god, all my issue
was laid out in formation. So I

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never ever took that, you know, AMMO shakedowns not serious ever again after

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that because but yeah, it was
embarrassing though as a corporal, you know,

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brand new NCO, so they call
it right and then here I am

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just being just made made to look
like crap in front all the privates.

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It was the most embarrassing moment.
Yeah, but it's a lesson that you'll

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never forget. Yeah sure, yeah, did they have when you were the

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skipping forward a little bit? But
when you were the mortar platoon sergeant,

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did they still have the huge amnesty
box? Because one of the guys from

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Mortars brought a like an eighty one
millimeter round back from the range. Once

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they had like an amnesty box one
literally you could open it up and like

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put things. I don't remember that. That'd be a good question for less

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Dusky. I mean, yeah,
I don't. I don't remember that.

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But uh, dude, those guys
are out of control guys. There were

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some good dudes, man. I
love working with those guys, but dude,

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as I got to and I don't
want to jump out too much,

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but in the Mortple Tune, the
discipline was still strong there. Like when

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I went back to third range of
Battalion, I mean, discipline was still

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good in the regimen compared to anywhere
else. But those guys really held it

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to the next level still, And
like I had to like kind of like

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turn a blonde eye because a lot
of what they were doing was like not

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authorized. But I'm like, I'm
good with it. You know, I'm

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with you and the crap out of
those dudes. But I'm over here.

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Yeah. Years ago, we had
uh Ian Karusha Gay and he was describing

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mortar section. He's like, I
think he described this most terrifying place and

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raign for battalion. Oh I wouldn't. Yeah, it's it's no joke.

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And there's some of the smartest guys
too. Yeah, yeah, you have

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to be. You know, these
dudes could do a lot of that math

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in their head and you're talking you're
talking trigonometry, dude, and these guys

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are just like cranking it out in
their head. Oh like boom boom,

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boom bom. No big deal,
it's a I had a under respect for

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that place until I went there to
be the platoon sergeant. I was like,

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man, these dudes are all geniuses. They just want to do the

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best that they can. They all
wish they were shooters in the line.

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So one of the big things that
I tried to do there was bring in

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something new for them. You know. I was like, man, these

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guys are not being utilized overseas the
way they should. So I was like,

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what can we do? So thinking
about like what I did at RC,

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so I was like, Okay,
I send dudes over to RC to

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do classes on like battlefield interrogation,
because I'm like, that's cool. It's

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something a new skill that they didn't
get to do. But they could go

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over there and learn how to battlefield
interrogate. So now they're forced multiplierces.

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If they're not shooting mortars, they'd
be like, hey, I can interrogate,

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right, Send a bunch of guys
to Army Sniper School too, the

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sniper platoon as you know, Like, I don't know if it was that

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way when you were there, but
definitely when I was a mort platoon sergeant,

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we had our black side weapons,
which all the weapons that were like

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issued by Jaysack, and then you
had the regular Army sniper rifles. Well,

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nobody ever used the regular Army sniper
rifles, but at that time it

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was actually a pretty good rifles.
The SaaS I think it was the I

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can't remember what that stands for,
but oh, you're talking about the yeah,

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the five to five six No,
not the SVR, you're talking about

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RPR. This was a seven six
to two gas gun. It was an

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AR ten platform that the Army had
come up with, like the sky one.

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Yeah, yes, yeah, that's
one ten. So they had those,

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but nobody used them. But it
was a solid gun, right,

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But all the snipers would use the
three hundred win bags or they would use

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the freaking SR twenty five because yeah, it was cooler. You know what

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I mean. But so they didn't
use those others. So I got all

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the sniper rifles assigned to the morpaltoon. So I had five dudes that went

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to regular army sniper school, they
were sniper qualified and then they had their

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own signed sniper rifles. I tried
to send them to cross train lots of

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different stuff like that they could be
force multiplars. We actually sent a couple

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of just to SODIC too, you
know the special courses sniper of course two.

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So because they were just undervalue guys. I mean not that they were

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undervalued, but you know, they
weren't utilized to the best of their ability.

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I mean they were taking them out, they were taking mortar to a

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lot of times they weren't even taking
the mortar tube. So it's like they're

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just an extra dude sitting on a
VP. So you can justify it though,

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I mean, you need security around
the mortar section when they're in the

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field. Yeah, and you know
that's just added value for the soldier or

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whatever else. You know, he
brings to the table. And you think

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about on the vps, they're at
a spot where they're going to get some

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reach anyway, they're going to have
some standoff. It's a good spot for

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a sniper. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, and it adds flexibility to them.

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So, uh, you're a Ranger
Battalion misspent youth as a corporal.

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That was about the time when I
met you, actually when you when you

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came back from Ranger school and then
you went on to become a squad leader

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in second platoon, right, thirdton, third platoon? Sorry, yeah,

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so I was a squad leader in
third Bletune did it up trips to Iraq?

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We did. One of the more
notable trips was that one to Mosul

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up there, which you were with
us on that one. We did a

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bunch of raids. We stayed hitting
I think it was that deck of cards

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or whatever the bad guys that they
had, and we had a really high

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success rate up there Mosul. I
remember, I can't remember the exact stats,

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but I think we had like a
ninety something percent success rate. It

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was at that time that trip our
platoons specificlarly that task force at least had

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the highest success rate I think of
Iraq at the time. Do you have

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any recollection of like how many raids
we did on that deployment, because I

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probably a thousand or more. I
mean we were doing two to three a

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day, yeah, every single day
pretty much. Yeah, I mean,

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I remember we had two platoons there, so we had a platoon that would

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go in daytime hits because it was
that busy that we were cranking targets during

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the day, which is not normal
for us, and then crank and targets

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at night. Well, then we
went to twenty four hours on and twenty

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four off. Oh just a ball
crusher, Yeah, dude, Yeah,

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dudes were coming back just getting tanked
with ivys like about to pass. We

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were all so exhausted by the end
of that deployment. But then you told

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the story that you know, well
on one of the previous interviews we did,

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but when we were getting these missions
going down into tell Afar a lot,

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and both of our platoons got in
the nasty firefights down there every time

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we did that. And you guys
weren't a pretty substantial firefight down there too.

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Yeah, we we went to Talafar
to hit three different targets. At

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the time, the regular Army had
this whole city court und off and they

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weren't really going in there because if
they were going in dudes were getting sniped

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out of the tanker's hatches down there. Yeah. Yeah, it was tanks,

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and they were getting like they have
to pop up out of the tanks

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so they can see where they're going
as they're driving along, you know,

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because that thing is so big.
And the dudes that were popped up the

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TC were getting smoked by snipers,
so they kind of cordoned it off.

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We were supposed to go in there
smack some targets and loosen it up.

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So we went in hit this one
target, ended up like killing. I

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think our snipers shot like two dudes
that tried to flee. Not a big

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deal. Went to the second target. We never even made it to the

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third target because we went to the
second target. It was kind of a

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narrow street. I remember I was
like we rotated who was like the leads

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assault squad leader too, and I
was kind of pissed because it wasn't my

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day to be the lead assault squad
leader. So I was across the way

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doing cross coverage and we had two
other squads on the other side, and

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we get ready to breach and then
a kiowa, like a regular army kiowa,

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flew over top and it kind of
woke everybody up. And I remember

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our platooners specifically briefed them, don't
fly any birds over top. We want

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to keep this super quiet. So
that bird flies over the top, the

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bad guys start waking up. We
hear like coms just saying like, hey,

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there's moving on the roof and stuff
like that. Well, our dude

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is getting ready to donk the door
with like the little battering Ramo type deal.

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And as he's getting ready to rear
back, the door opens up,

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and this dude's staring him in his
face, and he goes compromise, right,

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So the bad guy slams the door
and takes off. Our dude boots

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the door in, goes right in. That dude dropped a frag, like

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he shut the door, dropped a
frag and ran. So soon as that

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first assault squad went in, all
those dudes took a point blank grenade blast,

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you know, like all into their
legs, you know, And you

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know, like I like to tell
people that don't know because you know,

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you see the movies like Commando and
stuff like that, dudes are like taking

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machine gun rounds to the chest and
like they just suck that up and keep

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going. But grenade blasts like turn
them into a pink mist. It's just

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completely opposite. Like bullet like rifle
rounds don't mess around like it causes serious

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damage. If it hits a bone, you're probably gonna lose that limb.

407
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.640
But grenades, I'm not really too
scared grenades. It's just kind of like

408
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.960
take it in the backside, and
you're just they're so random and how they

409
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.200
like, how they like damage people. Yeah they are, I mean there

410
00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.000
really are. These are also like
ancient Russian he maids that are not probably

411
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.400
of the best quality. Yeah.
Yeah, and you know I wouldn't want

412
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.839
to take a sixty seven, yeah, point blank. You know our frags,

413
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.440
Yeah, but the Russian and Chinese
ones, I'm not too scared about

414
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.880
them. You're right now, if
they're right on top of you, you're

415
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.960
probably gonna take, like like Captain
lose end up having to lose a leg.

416
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.960
But I've been around countless grenade blasts
from like from me to him,

417
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.119
and it's just kind of like it's
like a beasting act whatever, you know

418
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.519
what I mean, barely goes under
the skin. But these dudes were pretty

419
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.720
much point blank on it. They're
all within like a couple feet of it,

420
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.799
so it really kind of messed them
up pretty good. The second squad

421
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:38.480
that was getting ready to go kind
of hesitated for a second, like I

422
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.400
think, like what is going on? And then I just took my squad

423
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.759
and blew past them, went right
into the house because you know, I

424
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.799
was already chomping at the bit because
I love being the first guy in anyway,

425
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.039
saw a roll in there, and
it was it was sketchy. Man.

426
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:53.240
We didn't know where this was coming
from. We didn't know if we

427
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.839
were going to take fire right off
in there. We go in. There

428
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:02.079
was like two or three, like
three or four rooms right away, like

429
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.000
a little like a corridor with like
a couple of rooms, and then it

430
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.960
opened up into a bigger courtyard and
went in, cleared the first room on

431
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.839
the left, cleared the first room
on the right, and there's literally nobody

432
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.759
in there. The first room on
the left was one of our guys who

433
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.720
was in there kind of like laying
up against the wall. Blood was streaming

434
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:19.680
out of his arm, and I
was like, hey, dude, you're

435
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.359
good, and he's like, yeah, man, I'm good. I'm like

436
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.680
all right. So we kept going
because like my focus wasn't to treat him,

437
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:27.400
it was to keep finding the bad
guys. Went into the next room,

438
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.200
so another ranger in there kind of
dragging himself back in. He was

439
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.960
wounded in his legs, and we
told him like, hey, dude,

440
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.559
do sulf aide and start patching yourself
up. Medical being here. Shortly kept

441
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.440
going went into the next room,
and I'm like stacked up on the door,

442
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:45.839
getting ready to go in, and
then I heard like the sound of

443
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.759
like just like in the movie,
like clink clink, like a grenade rolling

444
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.839
on the ground, and I like, see this thing roll between like from

445
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.319
me to your feet from me.
I'm looking at this thing and it was

446
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:57.440
kind of like I had all the
time in the world. I'm looking at

447
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.200
it. I'm like, I'm about
to be another least some other things got

448
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.119
to blow up right in my face, but I just booted it, kicked

449
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.920
it out of the way, and
then turned in dove and we had some

450
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.519
ranger casualties literally about from like right
over here, like five feet away,

451
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.519
So I turned and dove towards them. Caught some grenade shopping on the back,

452
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:17.759
but it was pretty minor. Long
story. Short went on to continue

453
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:22.000
to clear that place. One of
my privates took a shot in the shoulder,

454
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.319
almost took his arm off, got
shot in the knee with it.

455
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.519
I think it was whatever the sub
I camera with the seven six to two

456
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:36.359
the machine gun RpK RpK, Yeah, got shot by that. I engaged

457
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.160
the guys. There was two dudes
over there where the machine gun. I

458
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.720
engaged them. Me and some other
guys did took those guys out. One

459
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.519
of my team leaders ended up treating
that guy, which I didn't even realize.

460
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.920
I was kind of in the lead, received some fire turn return fire

461
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.200
suppressed that went to go ahead and
clear this next room that we were getting

462
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.759
ready to go in, and we
were moving, you know, meticulously around.

463
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.319
So even though I engaged that threat, I continued focus over here.

464
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.359
May not have been the right thing
to do at the time, but that's

465
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.480
just what we did. Went in
that room, cleared it, nobody was

466
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.440
in there. Come out, and
I'm like, where the heck is my

467
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.359
squad? Like it was like five
man assault teams is what we were running

468
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.920
back then. So I didn't have
a lot of dudes, but I was

469
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.319
like, man, I'm missing some
dudes. Well, one was walking down

470
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.079
a stairwell, another one was treating
one of the other guys that got shot,

471
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.799
and then I had like another two
dudes with me, so I was

472
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:26.799
like, oh man, one of
my dudes is messed up. So then

473
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.319
we kind of regrouped. We took
a bunch more frags. Actually, at

474
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.039
that point in time, I went
back out and grenades would just started raining

475
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.480
down from the roof, Like dudes
were on the roof just chucking them,

476
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.480
and the grenades kept going off and
going off. I took grenades shopping all

477
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.920
on the hand then or in this
wrist, several other dudes got wounded.

478
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.920
So then at that point in time, I pulled back and went outside to

479
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.000
try to see what was going on. Like our platoon leader and pl were

480
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.880
not even on comms. They were
completely pinned down at the time. So

481
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.079
I ended up kind of taking charge
of that whole situation. I was like,

482
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.720
what do our vehicles Like outside security
was just jacked up, So I

483
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.119
went out reorganized security outside started bringing
our metavac vehicles up because I'm like,

484
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.839
I know, we got casualties.
This dude's jacked up. There's probably even

485
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.160
more that I don't know about.
Brought the METAVAC vehicles up and then started

486
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.279
just consolidating casualti as the best possible
and trying to like coordinate this firefight.

487
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.079
Meanwhile, our j tax were calling
in air strikes and doing trying to do

488
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:26.079
little burg gun runs. I don't
think they could actually at the time while

489
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.720
we were on target. It was
just the bad guys were so close in

490
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.759
proximity to us that cast was just
not usable. Yeah. So once we

491
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.079
pulled off, they pretty much leveled
that entire city block. I think like

492
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.400
two hundred dudes or something with a
yeah AC one thirty eight tens, probably

493
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.079
some sixteen's with some two thousand pounders
blowing them up. Yeah. Yeah,

494
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.200
I was telling you before the show, your direct leadership one to put you

495
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.000
in for a DSc for that,
uh that whole action. That's crazy.

496
00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:02.119
Yeah, and you know it kind
of my understanding was to go through because

497
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.000
above our platoon level, it was
they felt that it wouldn't look good if

498
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.759
you know, an n c O
got a d SC and not an officer.

499
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:15.720
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I know we're retreading some previous ground
here, but I mean talk to us

538
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.799
about you know, when you decide
to go to RRC, Like how did

539
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.400
that come about? Like what when? When did the ID even come to

540
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.440
your head? What did you know
about them? So you know, I've

541
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.920
seen the guys around. I saw
dudes with like hair like literally as long

542
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:32.000
as this, big long beards over
there, and I might just super fit

543
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.559
dudes. I mean, like,
you know, Rangers are fit dudes.

544
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:39.119
Compared to even other soft units.
They are typically pretty fit guys. But

545
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.279
it was just a whole other level
of fitness man and like more mature guys,

546
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.640
you know, older guys. I'm
like, who are these guys?

547
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:46.680
I'm like these dudes CIA, you
know what I mean? Like when I

548
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.400
was in Ranger of Time, like
these CIA dudes like walking around here,

549
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:57.119
I had no clue. I went
to podc as an E five and met

550
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.519
a guy, uh named Kurt Conklin, who was at the time he was

551
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:06.559
in the company was r D at
the time, and went to PODC with

552
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.400
him and we talked about it,
and I was like, oh, you're

553
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.519
over there, like what do they
do? And like he couldn't tell me

554
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.159
a whole lot because they were like
super secretive, but it was enough that

555
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.079
it kind of intrigued me. So
I was like, I kind of want

556
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.639
to do that. I was already
kind of getting tired of Groundhog Day and

557
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.039
Ranger by time. Yeah, you
know, because you get a new private

558
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.760
and you kind of got to start
back at the basics all over again.

559
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.599
Yeah, you got good gear and
you got great training opportunities, but you're

560
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:31.880
always having to kind of back it
down a little bit and then ramp it

561
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.880
back up for the most part.
And then so I was kind of tired

562
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.280
of that. I wanted something new. I was gonna go to Delta Force

563
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:45.320
Selection or or and now I heard
about r D and so I was considering

564
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.400
that. Got wounded on that trip
in tal Afar, I had to get

565
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.239
some surgeries and stuff, and then
did another deployment and then after that I

566
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.000
went to be a RIP instructor.
It was RIP Cadre did that for a

567
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.559
while, enjoyed that. Well,
then you know, the Star major came

568
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.360
to me and was like, hey, we need somebody for this Omega program.

569
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.159
Do you want to go do this
omegapron? I was like, I

570
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.800
don't even know what that is.
Sounds good and he was like, yeah,

571
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:09.719
you get to grow your beard out
and throw your hair out and stuff

572
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.079
and deploy over on. Yeah,
like it sounds good, you know,

573
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:15.679
like because you know, as a
line betind ranger, you're not doing that.

574
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:19.239
You see the snipers get to do
it, the batinon recky guys get

575
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.199
to do it. But I didn't, you know, I didn't know like

576
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.199
occasional guys. So I get to
go do that and wear civilian clothes overseas,

577
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.159
and I thought that was kind of
cool. So I deployed and did

578
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.199
that. And when when I went
over the first time, I was with

579
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:36.440
my friend Rodney Brown and some of
the Seal Team six dudes that he was

580
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:42.079
with there and uh and get go. But the second time I did a

581
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.599
second trip. And you know,
I know, we'll talk probably more about

582
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:45.719
that o other stuff later, but
I did a second trip. Because you're

583
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.559
talking about why did I go to
r D. So the second Omega trip

584
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.760
that I did was in two thousand
and eight and I was at Oregon E

585
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:58.280
and I and the guys I swapped
out with there was RC team three at

586
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.320
the time, r D Team three, and I was like, man,

587
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.079
this is what you guys do.
Like you guys are like, this is

588
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.360
what you guys do. And they're
like, ah, this job is kind

589
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.159
of lame, you know what I
mean, Like we're going on to bigger

590
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.280
and better things. And I was
like, this is lame. This is

591
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.920
like the coolest deployment I've ever done, and to you guys, this is

592
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.039
kind of like to them, it
was kind of lame because it was kind

593
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.480
of dead at the time. And
they were like, yeah, we're doing

594
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.800
some other stuff and so they were
like, come to selection and I was

595
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:23.599
like okay. So then I was
like that's what I want to go do.

596
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.159
So then I just started training up
really running at high altitude up there,

597
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.519
trying to get back in good shape
again. I mean I was in

598
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.360
shape, but I like, you
need to be in really good shape for

599
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.400
that selection. And then after that
went back as a rip cadret and then

600
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.440
put in my pocket went to selection. You know, so that's how it

601
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.760
started. I bumped into an overseas
doing the Omega stuff. Yeah, and

602
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.519
we've talked about selection before with you, but it's it's it's it's a unique

603
00:36:51.519 --> 00:37:00.199
selection like it really it really focused
on the demands of the job. Yeah,

604
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.320
there's you have to be physically fit
to pass it. It's similar to

605
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.960
you know, like Delta Force selection. It's really based a lot off of

606
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.119
that. A lot of walking in
the mountains, navigating long distances with a

607
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.159
rucksack on. So you're gonna walk, you know, anywhere from i'd say

608
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:21.440
fifteen to eighteen twenty miles a day
in the mountains, and then you're just

609
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.400
getting assessed the entire time. There's
dudes out there paying attention to what you're

610
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:25.320
doing. I on gona go on
too many details because I know they like

611
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:30.320
to try to keep that stuff under
wraps. But I think what's the most

612
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.599
unique about it is is the OTC
pipeline. I think they call it RTC

613
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.760
now the Reconnaissance Training Course. But
that course, you know, like a

614
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.199
lot of the other guys, like
Delta Force and stuff like that, there

615
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.039
are programs about six months long to
go through. RCAs is like eleven or

616
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:50.559
twelve months long. It's almost a
full year, and you walk some distance

617
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.360
like we walked forty miles with a
tactical reci rock, Like I've walked forty

618
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:59.119
miles with a rock weighing over one
hundred pounds before in mountainous terrain just to

619
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.039
get to the top. Like that
was just to get to the mission,

620
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.320
right, and then the mission goes
for like several days and then you walk

621
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.880
out right, so right, we
did freefall infiltrations. We were big on

622
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.559
free fall stuff. That's how I
kind of got into the free fall realm.

623
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.320
But yeah, they didn't there was
no holds barred man. A lot

624
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:20.480
of the training that we did.
I'm like, dude, if somebody knew

625
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.480
that, they left us out here
flapping like this, like somebody'd probably be

626
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.480
in trouble because I mean, no
joke, Like nobody is like they didn't

627
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.400
care. We're out in the middle
of the desert, twenty miles from anything,

628
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.960
with our own supplies and nobody to
talk to, you know. At

629
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.599
times, Yeah, like I can't
believe this is allowed in the military.

630
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:42.360
It was good stuff though, yeah, And I mean for people who have

631
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.599
not you know, rucked, you
know, maybe you go on hikes.

632
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.559
I guess rucking is a new health
fab now though. Yeah, rucking.

633
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.760
But but anyway, for people who
haven't rucked, when Mike says that,

634
00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:00.079
like they were rocking miles of a
mountainous strain, one mile, two miles

635
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:06.880
over a mountain is not like rocking
a mile or two miles, because it

636
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.039
may be a mile is the crow
fly? Oh yeah, by four or

637
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.280
five miles. Yeah, this isn't
some ultra light bullshit either. Yeah.

638
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.320
They got you carrying radios, batteries, battery water. Yeah, I mean,

639
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.400
no joke. On one of them, we were out near Arizona.

640
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.719
We walked forty miles on infill and
that one and I remember the Caduret were

641
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.280
like, why are you guys going
so slow? And were like, I

642
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.960
feel like we're going really fast,
you know what I mean. So they're

643
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.280
like, hey, meet us at
this road intersection. One of the few

644
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.960
times that during a movement like that
they had actually interacted with this. So

645
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.880
they told us, hey meet us
at this road intersection. So we meet

646
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.199
them at that road intersection. They
pull up and they're like, lay your

647
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.639
rucksacks out and they're like, you
don't need all that crap, get rid

648
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.360
of that, get rid of this. So they slimmed our loads down from

649
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.119
I think I was the RTO on
that one, and I met I weighed

650
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.280
my rock, it was like one
hundred and twenty something pounds, and after

651
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.639
that it was into about one hundred
pounds, and some of the guys had

652
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.360
a little bit lighter rucks, probably
down a ninety or eighty something pounds.

653
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.119
But I mean, we just had
too much stuff because we didn't want to

654
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.280
fail the mission. So we had
instead of two extra cable for the cable

655
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.760
that we had the primary, we
had like two extra cables of this,

656
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.880
two extra batteries for every battery.
And we were just carrying way too much

657
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.719
stuff. So we but we learned. I mean, that's what part of

658
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.719
it was about, like learning what
your limits were and what you could carry,

659
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.000
and then also learning other ways to
come up with solutions to these problems.

660
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.559
Like, for example, water,
we got these little purification little deals

661
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.800
that we can carry, so we
didn't have to carry as much water because

662
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.000
water is super heavy, it's the
heaviest thing. We carried that in food

663
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.079
and batteries. But then we got
these little straws that we could literally,

664
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.639
you know, decontaminate any type of
water, and that saved us so we

665
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.239
could carry less water weight and then
always just refill if we could just find

666
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.599
a water source, that was the
key. And decontaminate doesn't necessarily make water

667
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.840
taste good. Nah, it can
still be nasty looking too, right,

668
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.559
Yeah, some of those filters later
on got a lot better. It would

669
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.199
make it clear too. Yeah.
Yeah, back in the day they tasted

670
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:09.039
like charcoal. Yeah. Yeah,
I missed it a little bit less as

671
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:14.199
I popping off in the chat we
Love you last, but he mentioned something

672
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.880
about when you were at a betting
having a problem with the woman across from

673
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:23.679
three seven to five something about a
dip. Can Did I get that right?

674
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.920
Lest I can't get back to that
part of the chair. I used

675
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:31.039
to dip, so it probably had
something to do with me dipping. I

676
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:36.119
used to dip Copenhagen back in the
day, and a lot of people don't

677
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.920
think that's the cleanest, you know, habit to have. So I'm sure

678
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.480
somebody probably got pissed off of me
for a spinner or something. What do

679
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.800
you say, I don't know,
Maybe maybe he'll pop back up with it.

680
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.320
Yeah, I just wanted to.
I saw that earlier in the chat.

681
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:55.679
But what what was life like for
you going from so you had seen

682
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.440
three this is your third aspect of
the military. You've been mechanized infantry,

683
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:06.079
conventional infantry, and then you range
of battalion and now you're r RD.

684
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.079
Did it just feel like life kept
getting better or did it open your eyes

685
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:14.599
like different aspects of the military that
you know that you didn't know where possible.

686
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.159
Yeah, I mean it did open
my eyes because you know, like

687
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.840
in the regular Army you're only read
on to like this very little bit.

688
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.280
You get the range of battie,
you're read on to, like you know

689
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.679
what Delta Force students look like,
and like you work with them regularly,

690
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.559
Seal Team six, all that kind
of stuff or see you guys. But

691
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.719
then when you get to RC,
like you you've already known what all those

692
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.079
guys are about, but now you
know the background behind how they do what

693
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.800
they do because you're helping do what
they do, like you're facilitating it with

694
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.679
a reconnaissance piece. And then you're
read onto so many different other programs because

695
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.679
there's all these different skills that we
have to have to do our job that

696
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.039
most people don't know about and that
stuff that you know, shouldn't probably be

697
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:58.880
talked about. But just a lot
of the trade craft and stuff that we

698
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:00.119
learn and I I didn't know.
I'm like, dang, I get to

699
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.000
do this. It was the greatest
thing in the world. Like going through

700
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:07.199
OTC, it was the best time
ever. Physically demanding and always under the

701
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.239
gun, you know what I mean. You never know if you're gonna get

702
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.840
fired at any point in time or
if you're not going to pull the standard

703
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.639
because the standards are super high and
you're competing against the other guys that are

704
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:20.840
there with you too. But the
training was just amazing. I mean it

705
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.000
was some of the cool stuff.
I got to learn how to pick locks

706
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.400
and pick out a handcuffs and like
at at one point in time, I

707
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.400
could pick out any set of handcuffs
and like a matter of seconds, you

708
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.320
know what I mean, Like you
know, ten fifteen seconds. We get

709
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.840
to do a lot of cool stuff
like that, learn how to you know,

710
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:39.119
resist interrogations and all that kind of
stuff. The shooting, you know,

711
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:43.920
long range shooting, pistol shooting.
I really got into the pistol shooting

712
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.400
there too, because we did a
lot of the low viz concealed carry stuff,

713
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.440
so at ends up being a pistol. So we did a lot of

714
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.960
pistol shooting courses and that became a
passion that I really liked, was pistol

715
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.360
shooting. It's something you got to
really work out a lot to get good

716
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:59.639
at. Do you want to tell
people, maybe for the young rangers out

717
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:01.679
there who still to this day don't
know what RRC is, Do you want

718
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.880
to make the little recruitment pitch and
tell people what RRC is, what those

719
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.320
guys do, or it's not just
rangers anymore. Yeah, it's open right,

720
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.719
Yeah, you should be just rangers. Well, I think it's uh

721
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.239
like our one of our old n
C ycs said, he said, it's

722
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.719
like the best kept secret in the
army. Really, I think it is.

723
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.920
The funding is when I was there
was so immense because you've got we

724
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.480
had like six six man teams at
that most, and that was if the

725
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.920
teams were full, so you're talking
like thirty six operators and we had just

726
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.360
the best funding in the world.
Anything like any training that we wanted to

727
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.679
do, we could do. I
mean, you you name it, you

728
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.480
think outside the box, you look
at on the online to the most craziest

729
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.559
course you could be taught by some
Jazoos civilian over here about this whatever it

730
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:51.039
is, if you could justify it, which everything really is justifiable for Recky,

731
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.199
you know what I mean, especially
when the clandestine stuff. You submit

732
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.760
it, and we could do it. I mean literally, I never we

733
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.800
never got turned down for anything.
It was if it didn't happen, it

734
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.119
was because the timing just didn't line
up right. So there's that aspect to

735
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.199
it. But we got to work
with a lot of really good people.

736
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.239
I mean, some of the best
guys I've ever met in the military,

737
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.239
some of the smartest guys. I
mean, you got really smart dudes in

738
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.480
all of soft But that place had
some really smart guys that still this day

739
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.880
some of the most impressive guys I've
ever worked with. Excuse me, the

740
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.679
physical fitness aspect of it, you've
got to be super fit, and we

741
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.920
had some ridiculously fit guys there too. But I think it was a great

742
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.960
place to work. I mean,
I don't know if it's changed since I

743
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.480
left, but I wouldn't change it
for the world. I mean, I

744
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:31.920
got to interact with all the different
agencies, with all the other like Tier

745
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.920
one units that were out there,
and it was it was definitely gratifying for

746
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.840
sure. Did you see a lot
of an answer to this to your comfort

747
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.519
level? Obviously, but obviously back
on the nineties, RRD was you know,

748
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.320
like a sort of more like a
force ree con sort of you know,

749
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:58.960
actial wreck. Yeah. Yeah,
it was a tactical wreki. And

750
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.719
then all of a sudden, I
don't say all of a sudden, but

751
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.360
but you you guys proved your worst
so much that you brought more onto the

752
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:14.679
national stage as a national asset as
opposed to a regimental asset. Did you

753
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.280
did you see like the training expanding
sort of based on the mission sets and

754
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.400
things like that. Yeah, it
definitely did. So we did. All

755
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.719
the teams were trained in tactical reki, the Greenside recue like you were saying,

756
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.920
and we were really good at that
and that was our bread and butter.

757
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:34.920
But then we also trained in like
the AFO piece to the the CTR

758
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.000
type stuff, blending in you know, all the different aspects of trade craft

759
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.000
that you can do there too,
and that's where a lot of that other

760
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:46.000
training came along, uh, learning
how to hack into computers and stuff like

761
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.760
that. Like I suck at technology
to this day, but when I would

762
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.000
go through those courses, I was
pretty good at this stuff for a little

763
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.039
while. And then if we used
it. A lot of stuff we didn't

764
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.840
use that often, but it did
come in handy, Like we would have

765
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.719
to learn how to ENCRYPTUF because I
may have to travel to a certain location

766
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.760
with a civilian computer and have to
hide stuff on there, and like,

767
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:08.119
obviously I want somebody to be able
to look at it real quick and not

768
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.159
be able to find what I have, right, So they taught us to

769
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:14.760
do that. But it came in
handy really. When we were training the

770
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.880
ARU, the Afghan Reconnaissance unit that
we created in Afghanistan, we taught them

771
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.920
a lot of tech trade craft.
We taught them a lot of like physical

772
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.400
trade craft too, because those dudes
were our proxies, you know, in

773
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:32.280
Afghanistan. They lived in the world. These dudes were running like a taxi

774
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.679
service or a cell phone shop or
whatever, doing what we needed them to

775
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.000
do, collecting on how we needed
them to collect. But they but they

776
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.079
were out there flapping. They weren't
attached to a military base. They were

777
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.039
all by themselves with no backup,
like if they were on a mission,

778
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:51.280
you know, if it got really
bad, we could possibly leverage some assets

779
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:52.800
to come get them. But most
of the time, those dudes are just

780
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.519
going to be just stuck. Like
Chuck, I remember you telling me that,

781
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.159
like it was very rare that you
would have like physical face to face

782
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:00.920
contact with them because they were just
so deep. Yeah, it was,

783
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.400
and it was frowned upon a lot, although I did it more than a

784
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.280
lot of people did and I got
some heat for that. Where I was

785
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:13.400
at up in Condu's it was pretty
conducive for me to drive outside the base

786
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.480
and go low viz and link up
with these guys. And I can't remember,

787
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.639
but for some reason, we were
collecting a lot of data off the

788
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.480
cameras and there's no way to get
that except for to physically get the SD

789
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.639
card because it was old school right
in the IT networks in Afghanistan. It's

790
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.719
not five G right, no,
yeah, back then, it was not

791
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.920
even close to anything. So we
would what I would do is we and

792
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.679
these guys were trained just like tradecraft
that you learn at the agency, you

793
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.199
know what I mean, Like similar, but we had to kind of wider

794
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.159
it down to be within the REGs
to teach that stuff to them. But

795
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:49.159
I would have my dudes. You
know, they were accurate with time too,

796
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.159
So I would say, hey,
I need you to drive by this

797
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.320
location at this exact time plus or
minus one minute, and I want you

798
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.000
to put your SD card wrapped up
in a napkin and a water bottle because

799
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:01.960
there's trash water bottles everywhere. I
guess that chuck it on the ground,

800
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.360
and then I would be driving so
that my timing was just so that as

801
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.480
this dude went down this street,
I was literally about a couple hundred meters

802
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.639
behind him or maybe just barely could
see him going away. So I see

803
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.440
him go, I can see him
do the act, the operational act,

804
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.760
and then I can come by pick
up the trash, so we never face

805
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.559
the face contact. But now I
have his SD card and I can go

806
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.679
back download the video footage off of
it for a target that we were we

807
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.840
were doing. So it's funny,
you know, it's funny that you mentioned

808
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.719
like they were good with time,
because I think for people who didn't have

809
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.119
to deal with that aspect of you
know, Afghans or Iraqis or whatever,

810
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:44.079
that when you are dealing with like
an in shah Alah. You know the

811
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:49.199
culture. You know that maybe today, maybe tomorrow, if God will next

812
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.800
week, Like time isn't always does
matter, It doesn't matter for the most

813
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.400
part. And so to find,
you know, people in those cultures that

814
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.400
that can kind of stick to those
operational requirements, it's not easy to do.

815
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.599
No, it's not. It's just
not part of their culture. So

816
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:08.400
we had to really assess for that, and we really harped on it.

817
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:13.960
We put them through a selection and
an OTC pipeline two, and we harped

818
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.199
on that being timely and being reliable
and being predictable and stuff like that.

819
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.880
But you're right, I mean we
lost a lot of guys because they just

820
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.880
didn't you pull the candidates out of
the KKA or the KANDAT commandos. Yeah,

821
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.440
they Yeah, that's where most of
them came from. They were either

822
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.000
yeah, the KK or the commandos, and so they were already elite trained

823
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.920
dudes that were trained by special Force
to shoot, yeah, or or they

824
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.480
were trained like the KK trained by
Rangers and Sealed Team six dudes and Dulta

825
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.719
Force guys. But then yeah,
we would select from those dudes and then

826
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.960
that was the cream of the crop, we would put them through a whole

827
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.159
other selection otc. Yeah. The
other interesting thing about the whole ARU program

828
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.280
is that it's not something that most
people associate with rangers. Like your dad

829
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.000
said, rangers are the brawn.
Yeah, they are not the guys.

830
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.440
This isn't a ranger thing. And
I'm just curious if you had any sort

831
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.920
of insight into how that program came
about, like whose brain child was that,

832
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:06.000
where the requirement came from? It
was very interesting. I mean obviously

833
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.360
you guys did it very well,
but yeah, thinking about that, I

834
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.800
know, so there was some dudes
senior to me and the company that were

835
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.519
involved in the setting up and creating
of that stuff. So I don't know

836
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.159
exactly where the who the brain child
was. It might have come from within

837
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.159
the unit. I'm sure there was
probably some direction from Jaysak as well.

838
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.400
But yeah, we were good at
it. I mean, it's it's not

839
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.719
that rocket science, you know what
I mean. We just had to teach.

840
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.000
You just have to be a good
teacher. I mean, most guys

841
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.719
in you know, a leadership position, and the NCO in the military should

842
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.280
be a good teacher, you know. Yeah, and that's all it is

843
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.119
you We were teaching them to do
what we do, you know, that's

844
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.159
all we did. We taught them
to do what we did because in that

845
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:51.800
realm we couldn't actually do that as
well, because you just stick out like

846
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.679
that's that country. It's like it's
like if you take you know, your

847
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:01.360
average never been in the military in
New York her and drop them in Southeast

848
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:05.079
Alabama where I live, They're gonna
stick out like a sore thump, right,

849
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.079
you know what I mean? The
way they talk, the way they

850
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.079
look, the way they walk,
and it's even more of a star contrast

851
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:15.079
in Afghanistan, you take a six
foot two white American dude and drop them

852
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:16.480
off. Now that the white skin
color is not the biggest thing, because

853
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.760
there's a lot of light skin people, but like the way we walk,

854
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:22.280
the way we carry ourselves, the
way we talk well. And also when

855
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.719
you get into like cover for status, cover for action type things like they

856
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.519
because of the culture and because of
how they know the culture, like there

857
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.119
are things that they can come up
with that Americans would never even think of,

858
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.400
Like you know, in the sense
of a lot of these villages are

859
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:43.039
a lot of these places they were
surveilling. We're very small. Everybody knows

860
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.599
everybody else. They know you don't
belong to the tribe there. And so

861
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.199
if they get like pulled over and
it's like, what are you guys doing

862
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.920
here, and they say, oh, my sister. You know, my

863
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:58.400
sister was supposed to get married and
she ran away and we're looking for her,

864
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.039
they can play that off. They
play off, and they know that,

865
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:07.480
and that's a perfectly valid excuse for
them to be like trolling these neighborhoods,

866
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.280
like, exactly right, where's where's
this wayward sister. We have to

867
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:17.000
kidnap and take her back to make
her marry this guy. Yeah, yeah,

868
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.360
no, you're exactly right. And
and that's why we had to use

869
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.400
those guys as our proxies. We
could do certain things, but for the

870
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.000
most part, we used them and
we just trained them and use them,

871
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.559
you know, And we would sometimes
tag along with them on certain things.

872
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.079
We'd go out and we would be
out, like a lot of times.

873
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.519
We would also task them with training
missions because you know, the missions weren't

874
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.440
always as busy for them as we
would necessarily want it to be sometimes,

875
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.280
so to keep them from being lazy, because you know, a lot of

876
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.960
them just happened to just kind of
default into doing whatever they're doing, and

877
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.360
they just kind of forget about the
military, especially when they're living out there

878
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.400
like that. So we would bring
them in and task them with training targets.

879
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.400
Yeah, and I would have them
wrecky something, and I'd be out

880
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.760
in town doing counter surveillance on them, just to see if they're actually trying

881
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.920
to be sneaky or if they're just
like, hey, what's up right?

882
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.639
Stand out on the street taking a
picture thinking they can get away with it.

883
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.400
You know, Now, how tough
was it for you guys providing bona

884
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:15.039
fides for these guys when it was
their intel that might be launching a raid,

885
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.639
putting American lives at risk, you
know, like like validating their intel

886
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:28.159
to the battlespace commander or you know
whomever. Typically, yeah, typically their

887
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.280
intel was just confirmation. Okay,
so there was already something else like singing

888
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:36.039
or whatever that we would have,
but then we we may just need to

889
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:37.719
develop this target a little bit more. So. Our guys their intel a

890
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.760
lot of times just confirmation. Sometimes
they would just build power in a life,

891
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.679
so we knew that there was a
dude in and around this area.

892
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.480
Then they would just refine the powern
a life or do it doing the close

893
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.440
end wreki that you wouldn't send an
American to do. I take it.

894
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.079
Yeah, exactly, like getting facial
recognition photos of this dude at this house.

895
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:57.400
Yeah, I mean, so we
have this blurry, crappy picture that

896
00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.599
you know is on your little cards
that you got and we're like, is

897
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.840
that really And then we send the
dudes out to mingle around and they get

898
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:05.480
a no joke picture. Now we
can update that picture and like, yeah,

899
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.639
that was him, but here's a
better picture. Yeah, you know,

900
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.760
so stuff like that. Yeah,
whatever the task force needed, that's

901
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.360
what we tried to provide. Yeah. Yeah, and how was it because

902
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.480
he's you know, one of the
things that was always challenging in those countries

903
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:21.440
was like teaching people how to read
maps, teach him how to look at

904
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.000
look at imagery and understand it from
a top down perspective because they just don't

905
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:30.559
have that perspective. How how challenging
was that for you guys that that definitely

906
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.039
was challenging at times. But you
know, our guys, we we we

907
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.000
just it was part of the training
pipeline and they just picked it up after

908
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.079
a while, and a lot of
these guys just got better as time was

909
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.440
so they would graduated a certain standard
which would be good enough, but a

910
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.199
lot of them would speak a little
bit of English. But then after like

911
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:51.679
years of that program running, some
of these guys were sending me PowerPoint.

912
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.599
I mean they could do PowerPoint by
the end of their OTC, But after

913
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.519
like a couple of years, these
dudes were sending me PowerPoint in English,

914
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.000
So I mean was impressive. I
mean, some of the guys really wanted

915
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.320
to do good and they tried to
impress up, impress us, and it

916
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.679
was impressive. They were doing that
stuff in English. They were encrypted stuff

917
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:14.599
and send it to us encrypted because
everything that we did with them was not

918
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.639
associated with the military. So I
mean, even the computers that we communicated

919
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.840
with them on were not associated to
the military. So we didn't want it

920
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.400
to any way tie these guys to
us if for some reason they got busted.

921
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.800
You know, Yeah, how was
that for you and for the other

922
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:34.880
guys in our city, Because you
obviously you have this job. You're in

923
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.960
a way action heroes, right,
Like you've been through all this training.

924
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.239
You're out there to be on the
pointy edge and now you're working through proxies.

925
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.559
Was it frustrating? Was it gratifying? It was I'd say a little

926
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.440
bit of both. Some guys hated
it. I mean there were guys that

927
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.239
hated it, but I think you
just have to look at what you're doing

928
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.480
and just you know, find the
good part of it. I actually thought

929
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.400
I was gonna hate it, but
I really awaited Yeah, I really did

930
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:02.639
enjoy it because, I mean,
we still got to do cool stuff,

931
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.960
man, we still got to go. It was like the best of us

932
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:07.159
both worlds. When I was up
in Condus the last time, we had

933
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:12.639
a Delta Force troop there hitting targets
every night and a Ranger batoon. They're

934
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.719
hitting targets every night. So during
the daytime I was going out Loaviz,

935
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.320
linking up with my dudes doing dead
drops and stuff like that, or maybe

936
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.079
going and picking them up, bringing
them back, debriefing them or whatever.

937
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.519
Or maybe I would be going out
with some dudes wreckying routes during the daytime,

938
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.800
like we would wrecky some of our
own routes in and off of the

939
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.480
plateau there, excuse me. But
then at night I was going out kicking

940
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.480
indoors with the Rangers or the Delta
Fores dudents every single night. So I

941
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:38.840
got the best of both worlds.
I thought it was great. Yeah,

942
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.800
I get to do a lot of
this cool stuff that's lo viz, you

943
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.039
know, clandestine stuff, and then
at night I'm going out and doing what

944
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.880
Rangers and Delta Force dudes do,
you know, kicking indoors and killing bad

945
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.119
guys just as much as they were
you know. Yeah, So I enjoyed

946
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.519
it, but it was so that
dynamic was unique, not just for me,

947
00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:01.599
but I coming from Third Ranger and
I had rapport with Rangers and with

948
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:06.320
Delta Force dudes. There were dudes
that had come from the Big Army to

949
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.440
RC that didn't know these dudes,
so they wouldn't get they didn't get to

950
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:13.559
go out on missions with them,
so they were just stuck doing the low

951
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.360
viz stuff when they did it,
and depending on where they were at,

952
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.920
it may have been less eventful even
And so a lot of those guys,

953
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:22.079
I think that's why they didn't like
it, because they didn't get the best

954
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.800
of both worlds. Where it's like
me, I knew dudes in the battalions.

955
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.199
I knew dudes at Deltafores because I've
been working with my whole career.

956
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.639
So I'd just be like, hey, you guys need anybody Actually, yeah,

957
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.599
sure, we need an extra sniper, we need an extra battlefeld interrogator.

958
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:35.639
And so I'd go out and do
that. A lot of bit TQ

959
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.760
is what I did. I thought
that was where I was most valuable.

960
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.360
They got all the shooters they need, they don't need another shooter, but

961
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.280
they're squad leaders of tarrogating dudes,
where here I'm a master sergeant. You

962
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.159
know, I've got more experience doing
it leaves him to doing his squad leader

963
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.039
stuff. So I did a lot
of that stuff. Yeah, that's cool.

964
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.199
I mean it's also like the total
integration of the intelligence piece into the

965
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.440
ops. It really is. Yeah. Yeah, And that's kind of the

966
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.440
way I looked at it. And
I had my interpreter teaching me Dary,

967
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.840
so by I did like I think
three trips to Kandu's, and by like

968
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:12.760
the third trip to Kandu's I was
able to do battlefield interrogation without an interpreter

969
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.519
in Dari. Yeah. I mean, now it was mission specific stuff,

970
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.280
like I knew pretty much anything that
had to do with bombs, explosives,

971
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.960
guns, Who this guy is?
Where are the mosques? Where are the

972
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:23.920
schools? You know? How many
people are here? North? South,

973
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.440
east west? Like what kind of
vegetables? You know? Like I knew

974
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:31.239
I had a good grasp with the
language by no means fluent, but target

975
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.599
related I could do. And I
could also talk my way through checkpoints and

976
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.280
stuff like that too. I learned
that much. So, like you said,

977
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.480
you went in and became did language
stuff. Yeah. I never was

978
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:45.119
interested in it until I got to
RRC, and I was like, this

979
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.960
is beneficial, Like if I can
prove to the chain of command that I

980
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.199
can speak good enough to do this, maybe they'll let me go do more.

981
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:59.199
Right, because there were things that
we wanted to do as Americans out

982
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.480
that I felt confident doing, but
the chain of command didn't see it that

983
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.079
way, right, So, you
know, being able to speak the language

984
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:07.840
and stuff like that adds another layer
to where they would probably accept it.

985
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.079
And it goes beyond the piece of
like I speak five five six and seven

986
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.159
six two you know like it?
Yeah, it opens up a whole new

987
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:20.920
world of interaction with the local populace. Yeah, you know, especially when

988
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.079
when the raids you know, the
intelligence isn't always accurate, like you need

989
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:28.280
to find out what's going on target
or like you said, like all the

990
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.760
operations that you guys do, a
lot of those ops come from resets,

991
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:36.960
you know. You do your OT
Yeah, your battlefield interrogators, you know,

992
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:42.400
and your exploitation guys get information and
it's like, okay, let's go

993
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.679
hit this target now, so that
these guys don't go to ground when they

994
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.280
find out they rolled up this guy. Yep. Yeah, A lot of

995
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.360
a lot of our missions were like
that. I mean, not so much

996
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:52.679
like our see, we were always
playing a piece in that, but in

997
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.639
the line range of times, dude, it was like boom boom, boom,

998
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.320
bom boom. Like you said,
probably a thousand missions on that one.

999
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.639
The climate like three months because we're
back to back to back. They

1000
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.920
could never react because we were slamming
them right fast, and a lot of

1001
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.400
those a lot of those raids are
sort of self propagating, where one raid

1002
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:13.000
leads to another one based on the
intel you got off that initial rate.

1003
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.440
Yeah, we would hit targets in
Iraq back in the day and literally the

1004
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:20.239
pl would be with this little laptop
like this on the back of the striker,

1005
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:22.400
planning out the grids for the next
target because we took intel from that

1006
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.960
target to go hit the very next
target. Yeah, literally planning them on

1007
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:30.559
the fly. Yeah yeah, yeah, And well, I mean that led

1008
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.840
to the whole debate to operations drive
intelligence or does intelligence drive operations? But

1009
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.199
what you're talking about with a ARU
program, that's definitely intelligence driving operations.

1010
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.760
Yeah. It was a good program, you know, one of the things.

1011
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.480
You know, we were talked about
it beforehand, and that's where I

1012
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:51.280
met well, I met Adam from
having done the podcast. He reached out

1013
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:57.760
to me before and then he and
his good buddy Brian Fitzgibbons came in with

1014
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.159
me to Project Exodus really, which
is a nonprofit that I created myself.

1015
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.920
Rodney Brown, one of my Seal
buddies that I was tied in with a

1016
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.880
lot of us, got asked to
like try to help people with Afghanistan,

1017
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.480
and yeah, I was like,
I'll help wherever I can. But then

1018
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.079
come to find out there was you
know a lot of these dudes were reaching

1019
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.119
out to me, like people were
giving these guys my number and actually a

1020
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:24.800
nut your podcast set all this stuff
up. There was a Teamhouse, bump

1021
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:29.679
it did. It really did.
Like the thing like what I do now

1022
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:34.360
all really came from the teamhouse because
I did the teamhouse. A dude from

1023
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:38.400
Alabama saw me on the Teamhouse and
he reached out to me because I gave

1024
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.880
my email up that time and he
was like, hey, brother, I

1025
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:45.239
know you don't know me from Jack, but he's like, I was in

1026
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:46.840
the Army, did this, that
and the other. He's like, I

1027
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.320
worked with some of the ARU guys. He worked with him as a contractor

1028
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.760
when he was working as a civilian. After he got out, he was

1029
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.480
like, not Blackwater, but one
of those other contract companies. And he's

1030
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:59.000
like, these dudes are asking me
to help him in Afghanistan and I have

1031
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.079
no clue what to do. So
he reached out to me. That's how

1032
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:07.000
I got involved. Brought this ad
hoc group of guys that we're just communicating

1033
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.000
with on signal chats, you know, like talking about like Sharon Intel,

1034
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.800
like where the Taliban are looming for
these guys and stuff like that. And

1035
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.440
then all of a sudden, I'm
like, dude, we need these groups

1036
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.840
talking together. This this is where
military dudes, This needs to be a

1037
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.679
military cohesive unit. So I started
reaching out to Task Force Pineapple with Scott

1038
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:29.440
Man, super good dude. Yeah, I love Scott reached out to some

1039
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:30.880
of his guys. I didn't know
him at first, but I was reaching

1040
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.840
out into his organization, trying to
like, hey, who's the leader,

1041
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.199
Let's let's sync this thing up.
Reaching out to the Task Force Argo flanders

1042
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.960
Fields is another group, Task Force
Freedom Birds, like, there's tons of

1043
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.280
other groups out there, and I
was reaching out to him. I was

1044
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.960
like, let's put this together,
and nobody seemed to want to like really

1045
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.639
work together at first. So then
I just brought all these guys together that

1046
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:59.440
I had. We called a Project
Exodus Relief. And then, like I

1047
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:01.480
said, I met Adam. Adam
was on the podcast, reached out to

1048
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.360
me. He ended up coming on
board with us helping out. He brought

1049
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:10.199
on his best buddy, Brian Fitzgibbons, who is an amazing dude. I

1050
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:14.440
work with him now with USPA Nationwide
Security, and you know, we can

1051
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.719
get into that stuff later, but
that's you know, it all came about

1052
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.000
trying to advocate for these guys,
these Afghan Special Ops guys that we trained

1053
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:24.960
some of the best out of the
Afghans, the most loyal guys out there,

1054
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:29.159
and nobody was advocating for them,
nobody cared about them. These guys

1055
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.519
are just left flapping. Yeah,
could you give us a little update on

1056
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:38.960
where that project is now? You
know, after the Afghan the evacuation as

1057
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.360
it were, and all these guys
that got left behind. And I mean,

1058
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.159
we've we've had Scott Man on the
show to talk about it. I'd

1059
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:50.280
be interested to hear your perspective of
like where that Mick, and I'd be

1060
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.480
interested to hear like your perspective of
like where that effort is at today.

1061
01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:00.320
It's really stagnated. We we you
know, have talked to politicians all over

1062
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.440
the place. I've spoke at the
AI World Forum on the Afghan panel,

1063
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:10.519
myself and Mike Waltz, the Republicans
politicians from Florida, Me and him and

1064
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.960
what's his name is a marine?
I think y'all might have had him on

1065
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.000
here too, But anyway, we
spoke on that panel, and there's a

1066
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.840
lot of people that seem to be
concerned about it, but nothing ever happens,

1067
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.119
right. You know a lot of
these politicians were like, hey,

1068
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.639
yeah, yeah, man, we
got your back. You know, you

1069
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.440
know, Democrat and Republican would act
like they wanted to help, but nothing

1070
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.480
ever really happened. We have guys
that, you know, legitimately legit creds

1071
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:41.880
have been verified by the Ranger Regiment
worked for the program, that we've literally

1072
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:45.760
taken their documents, handed it to
the House of Representatives and like, can

1073
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.000
you help us get this guy's SIV
approved. Never happens, man, It

1074
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:54.199
just literally never happens. So where
we're at with Project Exodus is we've been

1075
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.880
we raised some money through some of
the public speaking events that I've gone to

1076
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.800
and some other things we've run,
and we've been we've successfully through through my

1077
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:08.400
one of my guys, Dean,
who's run our ground operations program, super

1078
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.519
great dude, former Ranger, former
one some five dude Delta for SKAT.

1079
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:17.119
He runs our ground operations stuff and
he's been running a food network where we've

1080
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:21.599
been feeding two thousand ARU dudes in
their families. So there's not that many

1081
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:27.320
ARU dudes, but there's probably I
don't know, probably still alive one hundred

1082
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.719
aar you guys maybe less out there, but a lot of these guys are

1083
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:36.800
the basically the secret service of Afghanistan. That Dean, My guy Dean trained

1084
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.880
his guys and we've been feeding them
in their families for the last two and

1085
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.440
a half years. I got like
about two years now, but we just

1086
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.800
pretty much ran out of money this
month. So wait, is there a

1087
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.800
Is there some place people can go
to donate money for that? Yeah,

1088
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:56.360
if if they want to go to
blog dot pro Exodus Relief dot com,

1089
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.519
they can go there and check out
our website. There's also links to donate

1090
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:02.880
at the web site too, So
if people want to do that, it's

1091
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.440
it's a good cause man. Like
right now, I still advocate for these

1092
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:11.159
guys. I've been talking to lawyers. There have been some guys who've trickled

1093
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:14.079
their way into the United States,
not through our help, Like we've tried

1094
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.880
to advocate for them, but we
didn't specifically get them here. But I've

1095
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.400
written letters of recommendation for some of
these guys and it's come back to me

1096
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.480
through Like I've got a lawyer that
reached out to me that's helping advocate for

1097
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:29.079
one of our guys, helping get
his like SIV, And so it's been

1098
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.159
good. Have they have a lot
of these guys managed to get out of

1099
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:36.480
Afghanistan and now are in like refugee
camps in other countries, or they still

1100
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:41.360
stuck in Afghanistan. Most are still
stuff stuck in Afghanistan. There's there's been

1101
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:44.880
a handful that a flee to Iran. There's some that have. I've had

1102
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:46.440
one of my guys go through Iran
all the way to Iraq. Then he

1103
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.119
went back and I was back in
Afghanistan. Just they can't find employment like

1104
01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:57.639
Afghans. I didn't realize that in
Iran they're looked down upon and they won't

1105
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.280
employ them there. So these guys
are in high hanging out, couldn't get

1106
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:04.880
a decent job. Ord. I
had one guy that was in with a

1107
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:11.159
Christian group that was trying to get
him in sad story, but he was

1108
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.320
in with a so called Christian group
that was trying to move him through into

1109
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.640
Iraq and a Turkey and stuff like
that, and he was end and up

1110
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:24.159
like he was trafficked, man,
Like people were trafficking this Christian group is

1111
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:30.439
trafficking human beings and guns and narcotics. Yeah, so they're there. Yeah,

1112
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:32.359
it's kind of a lot of corruption
out there, man. A lot

1113
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:35.319
of these groups that you think are
gonna be good and helpful like this guy.

1114
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:38.600
I was like, I don't know
this group. Yeah, I don't

1115
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:40.319
want to have anything to do with
it. I said, if you,

1116
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.840
I said, you're the grown man
man, you run your household. I

1117
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.239
can't personally help you. So I
said, if you trust these people,

1118
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:50.359
I support you all the way and
I'll help you however I can. And

1119
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:55.000
the dude ended up getting all of
his documents taken. He's trying to get

1120
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:59.479
him back. Yeah, some of
these guys ended up getting beat up and

1121
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.479
robbed and mugged by these people.
But yeah, Christian groups out there like

1122
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:06.159
mugging people, trafficking drugs, traffick
and narcotics all in the underground. Man,

1123
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:10.800
it's all over the place out there. Yeah, it's that you think

1124
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.279
would help. It's so sad,
I mean, and you know, like

1125
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:16.199
immigration is is, you know,
a heated top of the United States,

1126
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:20.760
you know, and people take very
firm sides, but it's but it's wild

1127
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.199
that it was the same thing in
Vietnam, where it was the effort of

1128
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.479
like the Special Forces guys and what
tell then help the Montaon yards and the

1129
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:35.000
Mong and and everybody who worked with
us, and and and now we can

1130
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:41.199
even help these people who you know, who worked very hard, who shed

1131
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:45.159
you know, blood, sweat and
tears alongside of us. It's because our

1132
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.920
government literally doesn't want it to happen. You know. I don't know why

1133
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:53.520
exactly, but I don't know if
Scott Man said the same thing. But

1134
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:58.199
that's our biggest hurdles that we've run
into is our government. Nobody everybody,

1135
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.720
they'll say they want to help,
but nobody does anything. Literally, whether

1136
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.319
it's at the highest level, I
don't know where it is, but nobody

1137
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.079
can make anything happen. I mean, there's all these bills. They try

1138
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:10.119
to push these bills up, the
Afghan Adjustment Act and stuff like that,

1139
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.439
and I don't even really follow that
stuff that much anymore because it's just frustrating.

1140
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.720
Yeah, like I said, we
just have been focusing on using our

1141
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.960
funds to the best that we can. We can't move people anymore, so

1142
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.199
we've been using it to feed people, you know, the ones that are

1143
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.800
stuck hiding from the Taliban, or
they don't feel safe that they can get

1144
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.279
out and work. I can't get
a meaningful job. We've been feeding them,

1145
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.760
you know, supplemental food. We
try to let them be like really

1146
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:34.920
needy before they come to us so
that we use the funds in the best

1147
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.760
manner possible. We don't want to
just be like making these people rich,

1148
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.279
you know what I mean. Right, So, yeah, we feed the

1149
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:44.520
average family about once every three months. They'll come back to us for some

1150
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:48.159
supplemental food. Yeah. Yeah,
if you could just go and get them

1151
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:50.760
to Chili, then they can get
in no problem. I know, I

1152
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:57.520
know, it's crazy. The southern
borders wide slap open. We got terrorists,

1153
01:10:57.520 --> 01:11:00.039
we had Isis, we got Palestinians
coming through this the border like crazy.

1154
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:04.000
But our Afghans, we actually had
some Afghans that figured their way on

1155
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.800
their own to get to Brazil came
up through. And that's another interesting thing.

1156
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:13.840
Afghan special ops guys caught at the
border are deported never to return again.

1157
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:15.720
Jesus, Yeah, they are.
I mean there's been multiple guys that

1158
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.319
it's been in the news. We've
like, I helped advocate for some of

1159
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:23.079
these guys. One of them was
a commando guy. I'm trying to think.

1160
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.640
I think Flanders Fields was helping that
guy and he got hung at the

1161
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.159
border. I called some border patrol
guys that I knew that tried to help

1162
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.159
him out, and one of my
border patrol buddies told me straight up,

1163
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:35.159
He's like, if I even look
into this, dude, it's gonna spike

1164
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.479
on the radar. And I was
like, really, He's like, any

1165
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:44.079
Afghan special Ops guy that comes through
the border is immediately deported, never to

1166
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:46.720
return again. I'm like, but
we're letting everybody else through the border.

1167
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:50.279
It makes no sense, man.
It's it's been a frustrating battle, but

1168
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:56.479
it has been one of the most
frustrating things I've ever done in my life,

1169
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.560
yet also the most rewarded, you
know, I mean, because we're

1170
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:02.680
helping me out, really helping people
out. Yeah. Yeah, I was

1171
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:09.439
really very disappointed, like in the
American population left right whatever, when you

1172
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:13.439
know, when we were getting all
these you know, uh Afghan, these

1173
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:15.239
Afghans in and be like, well, we don't even know who they are,

1174
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.039
and it's like a lot of research
has been done into you know,

1175
01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:23.359
like the Afghans who are being brought
in, like people are voluing for them.

1176
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.079
I mean, if they were our
guys, like we have their biometrics

1177
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:30.640
exactly. You know, they're they're
a known entity, you know what I

1178
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.000
mean, very well known like a
lot of these guys had Polly's and tons

1179
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.319
of background checks, essentially some type
of security class, you know, not

1180
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.720
really but kind of. Yeah,
And a lot of them have fought and

1181
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:45.279
died next to Americans and they still
remain loyal to this day. Yeah,

1182
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.399
you know, yeah, sad,
It's very sad. It's up, is

1183
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.600
what it is. Yeah, yeah, it really is. Yeah, it

1184
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:56.199
really contributes to and and you know, we've talked about this before on the

1185
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.079
show. Is the moral injury that
it creates in this and so you know

1186
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:08.800
veterans who who because not all veterans
were very involved with Afghans or Iraqi's you

1187
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:13.039
know they you know, but others
were, and there's that moral injury that

1188
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:18.039
happens that you know that we just
leave these people that we know, we've

1189
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:23.479
kind of left them to the wolves. Basically. Well, there's a an

1190
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.319
organization that, like I was kind
of the beginnings of helping stend that thing

1191
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:31.119
up to along with another guy named
Travis Peterson, called the Moral Compass Federation.

1192
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:34.399
And that's where we kind of finally
got all these groups together with Tasors,

1193
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:39.880
Pineapple, Scott Man and those guys
and and started working as a group

1194
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.199
advocacy, and that group is still
doing a lot of good stuff, advocating

1195
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:45.640
on the hill and stuff like that. Progress is still, like I said,

1196
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:50.600
non existent pretty much, but they're
there. Yeah, that came up

1197
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:55.359
big time. A lot of guys
there were having really big issues because when

1198
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:59.000
it was in the heyday, like
the first six months after the collapse of

1199
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.720
Afghanistan, like I personally was working
eighteen hours a day. I was on

1200
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:05.720
my phone eighteen hours a day,
texting, coordinating logistics, making phone calls

1201
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:10.479
on meetings VTCs. I mean,
it was like running. It was like

1202
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:14.359
being the battalion commander of a battalion
sized element. Like we had a fifty

1203
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.239
man intel cell. At one point
in time, the dudes were pumping me

1204
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:19.880
intel. Like it got to the
point where I had to have like dudes

1205
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:23.880
that just handled the intel because I
couldn't handle it all. We had dudes

1206
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:26.479
that were just handling the ground the
ground stuff. We had dudes that were

1207
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.840
just handling air operations, trying to
get guys manifested. But after that all

1208
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.920
fizzled out. It got to the
point where like the onset finally kicked in

1209
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.800
with like, hey, these dudes
are screwed man yeah, and we can't

1210
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:41.159
and we're just watching them get killed
by the Taliban and there's nothing we can

1211
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:43.760
do. So the moral injury thing
became a real thing at that point in

1212
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:45.760
time, and it's really bothering a
lot of those guys. Yeah, and

1213
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:50.279
especially you know, depending on whether
it's this government for us or the next

1214
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:55.520
any government you know, after this
withdrawal, how they deal with the Taliban

1215
01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:00.279
government is just sort of salt in
the wound. Oh yeah, yeah,

1216
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.600
And you know there's there there were
entities from our government liaising with the Taliban

1217
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:09.359
this entire time. One of the
things that I found out too, was

1218
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:13.560
that the US State Department was flying
one hundred Taliban out on US State Department

1219
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:15.760
funded aircraft. Yet we couldn't get
our Afghans on there. Taliban, dude,

1220
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:20.920
they were flying them out on US
State Department aircraft like crazy. And

1221
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:26.600
this was around about like what the
year what was the fall? Was it

1222
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.399
twenty twenty or twenty twenty one?
I got it all mixed up now twenty

1223
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.520
twenty one, So it was like
around December twenty twenty one January twenty twenty

1224
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.880
one when this was happening. I
think I went on Newsmax or somewhere talking

1225
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:41.680
about that, and it was reported
all over the place, but like nothing

1226
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.960
ever happened, Like why are we
flying Taliban? Oh, we're It was

1227
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.720
one of the things that they said, we're flying the Taliban out so that

1228
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.479
they'll let us fly aircraft in and
out, like really one hundred a week

1229
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.079
to the United States? Yeah,
come on, man, what's up of

1230
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.960
that? So, and it's frustrating
when you got these Afghan Special Ops guys

1231
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.239
that should be able to get on
those planes in but they don't have the

1232
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:08.159
right credentials, they don't have an
SIV completed, they can't fly. But

1233
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.720
a Taliban dou that has nothing can
fly here, come right. It's it's

1234
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.279
a kick to the nuts, you
know what I mean. Yeah, So

1235
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:16.680
that adds that moral injury. A
lot of guys, just like just like

1236
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.600
me, saw this happening and we're
like, how is this even possible?

1237
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:25.479
You know? It's frustrating, Yeah, yeah, But the way I can

1238
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.199
look back on it is that we
did the best that we could, right,

1239
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:30.439
and we're still trying to do the
best that we can for these guys,

1240
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:32.560
and we're feed them. You know, we're there. There have been

1241
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:36.680
guys who their lives have been made
better because of the efforts that we've all

1242
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:41.279
done collectively, not just me,
these guys helping out to the other guys,

1243
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.119
the Moral Compass Federation and groups like
that. Yeah, how are like,

1244
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:47.880
are a lot of those A lot
of those dudes, Like for the

1245
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:53.680
ARU, are like, are they
in hiding basically in Afghanistan? Are they?

1246
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:57.239
Like? Do the Taliban know who
they are? They targeting them their

1247
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:01.039
families? Yeah? I Well,
to take it back, I believe it

1248
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.600
was worse than we I believe we
thought it was worse than it actually was.

1249
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:06.760
Okay, So in the beginning we
were like, oh, man,

1250
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:11.479
they were killing some dudes, but
they, uh, they were beating a

1251
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:15.079
lot of dudes. And actually one
of my guys I had an after one

1252
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:20.039
of my ARU dudes that had a
source within the Taliban leadership and and due

1253
01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:24.680
to the safe ouls that he was
in, so I found out that I

1254
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:27.399
was able to get a lot of
guys released. I had a lot of

1255
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.119
guys released. I'd call my guy, I'm like, hey, can you

1256
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:32.760
check with with the general that's what
we called the guy, and like,

1257
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:36.239
can you check with the general and
see if they have this guy in custody.

1258
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:39.560
If so, he's one of our
guys, man can have them released

1259
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:45.039
every single time they release him.
So the Taliban would actually release guys through

1260
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:48.560
my proxy, like my source had
that much influence with them and this so

1261
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:50.920
I found out. I don't think
it was as bad as we thought.

1262
01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:54.880
I don't know why they were detaining
these guys, roughing them up, making

1263
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:58.800
it look rough, But I don't
think they were killing them in the numbers

1264
01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:01.680
that we thought they were at first. Uh huh. I don't know why.

1265
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:04.159
It seemed like it was a fear
campaign to make them scared, to

1266
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:06.479
make them hide at first, But
now a lot of them have kind of

1267
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:09.880
kind of let up, you know, they're kind of going out and doing

1268
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.760
the normal stuff in society. Yeah. Yeah, Now are we are we

1269
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:18.800
worried? Has there been in the
indication of the Taliban basically recruiting these guys

1270
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:24.439
in the sense of obviously these guys
fought against the Taliban and they're not for

1271
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:30.680
the Taliban, but also human nature
is just to make life easier for you

1272
01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:34.039
and your family. So now we
have not just the a Aru, but

1273
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:40.079
you know, we have you know, the conduct we have CPTT ctpts we

1274
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:44.199
have, we have all these forces
that were trained and I think a lot

1275
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.880
of the CTPT got out, But
we have these forces that have been trained

1276
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:51.600
by American Special operations. We didn't
do right by them? Or are we?

1277
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:57.479
Are we concerned? Has there been
any concern that they're going to the

1278
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:00.800
other side? Yeah, there has
been concern in There has been some of

1279
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:04.439
that happening. Not not so much
with the AARU. I haven't heard of

1280
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:08.319
any AARU doing that. I'm sure
there probably have been, but not that

1281
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.000
I've heard of. And the more
smaller, more elite units, not so

1282
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:16.000
much. I have heard of like
rare occurrences of like Commando's doing that,

1283
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.159
and I think it was more of
like other different forces out there that we're

1284
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:23.359
doing. But it has happened,
but a lot of them, a lot

1285
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:30.520
of the KKA actually joined the National
Resistance Front with was Okaman masud Uh leading

1286
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.960
that effort? Am I mixing them
up with his father? I can't remember

1287
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:39.279
Akaman Masud. I think it's Okamah
Masud the son that's leading the national result.

1288
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:42.000
I can't remember which is the son
and the father Bab Yeah, I'm

1289
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.640
pretty sure it's Yeah, I don't
know why. I'm having a brain full

1290
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:48.279
at the time. But our guy, a lot of the KKA guys were

1291
01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.560
linking up with those guys and they
were taking it to the Taliban at first,

1292
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:56.439
like they were literally they almost pushed
the Taliban. The Taliban were pushing

1293
01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:00.680
up in the the uh Hanger chain, came the pan Sure up in that

1294
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.199
area, and these guys were pushing
them all the way back, had pushed

1295
01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:10.319
them all the way back almost to
Cobble. Then Pakistan sent over some drones

1296
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:13.600
and did drone strikes on them,
yeah, and killed a bunch of them

1297
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:16.239
and kind of thwarted that whole thing
and stifled it. But they were they

1298
01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:20.880
were this close to taking taking couple
back. We were cheering them on.

1299
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:25.760
We're like, yes, yes,
let's do this. And then Pakistan sent

1300
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:29.840
over some some aircraft and some drones
and did strikes on them and pushed them

1301
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.439
all back, kind of killed that
whole effort. It's so weird to me

1302
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:38.640
because it never goes well for Pakistan
when they like like they've always supported the

1303
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:42.399
Taliban and AQ and whatnot, but
it doesn't go well for them. I

1304
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.319
think that they just want the problem
to be in Afghanistan. And not well,

1305
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:48.399
now they got to live with their
creation. Yeah yeah, right next

1306
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:53.520
door. Yeah yeah, yeah.
A lot of these guys, like I

1307
01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:56.960
said, they went to the good
what I considered the good side, but

1308
01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:00.560
they've kind of I don't that effort's
kind of stifled too. But they're there.

1309
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.680
Definitely have been something that's gone to
the badside, confirmed that I know

1310
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:08.159
of, but not as big as
you not as much as you would think,

1311
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.079
right, And and I imagine for
a lot of them, it's not

1312
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:14.960
that they're going to the bad side. Is just trying the only thing they

1313
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.279
got. Yeah, it's not that
I hate America, it's it's literally survival

1314
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:20.840
mechanism for them. I mean,
and I don't blame on one bit.

1315
01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:28.640
It's just like when when Russia started
recruiting them for for it's the name of

1316
01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:34.560
that group, uh, the Russian
contractor Wagner, Yeah, Warner group or

1317
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:39.600
Yeah, they were recruiting those guys, and I was like, hey,

1318
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.319
I don't blame them. You know, if if you're getting out of here,

1319
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:45.680
you know, and they're gonna put
you up and give you nice accommodations

1320
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:47.880
and treat you like one of their
civilians, you know, I don't blame

1321
01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:50.560
them. It's not what I would
do, but it's not that I would

1322
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.199
blame we. Actually we had huge
efforts to try to get them to Ukraine

1323
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.880
too, Like with this whole event
going on Ukraine, like, hey,

1324
01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:59.760
these dudes right here will come fight
with you. Just get them out.

1325
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:01.520
Yeah, nobody, nobody would touch
it. Nobody would touch it with a

1326
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:05.760
ten foot pole. Like I talked
to people in Parliament and Ukraine. I've

1327
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:11.039
talked to people here in the United
States advocating for it. It's crazy,

1328
01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:15.720
the dynamic this thing is all turned. I actually met with a donor and

1329
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:19.560
another interesting thing tying to the Wagner
group was there was this donor that we

1330
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:25.720
were told about that that he had
helicopters fixed wing he was moving dudes currently

1331
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:28.920
out of Afghanistan. We're like,
dang, this is like the golden ticket.

1332
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:32.239
Like if we can convince him that
Project Exodus has the capabilities that we

1333
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:36.079
have and we have the quality of
dudes that he wants, maybe he'll get

1334
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:39.319
him out. Because we didn't know
why he was trying to help at the

1335
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:41.159
time, we were like, we
set up a meeting. So we set

1336
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:44.439
up a meeting with this dude,
and you know, just like a Google

1337
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:46.560
meet. He comes on, his
chief of staff comes on. Mind you,

1338
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:51.439
this dude's a billionaire. He's a
mega billionaire. I can't remember his

1339
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:55.720
name, like Garrity or something like
that was his last name. This guy

1340
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.800
supposedly spoke at Sea Pack. He's
like big tight end and the conservative politicals.

1341
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:04.239
Well, he came on to our
meeting. We were talking about different

1342
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:08.000
things. We're briefing on all the
operations we had going on with the food

1343
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:10.560
program and this stuff, this,
that and the other. One of my

1344
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:14.119
guys was like, hey, we
need to caution our guys to stay away

1345
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:16.680
from Wagner Group and we just need
to make sure that they're not doing that

1346
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:19.039
because it's just going to look bad
in the as the United States and we

1347
01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:23.680
can't support it. Then boom,
this dude and is chief of staff popped

1348
01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:25.680
off the call. We're like,
what the heck man, this dude just

1349
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:28.399
ditched the call. We're like maybe
they lost connection. So we're like texting

1350
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.479
on the background, like hey,
what happened? What did the guy drop

1351
01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:32.600
off? Come to find out the
dude was a recruiter for a Wagner group.

1352
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:38.880
The US dude tied into states.
Yeah, I have pushed the dude

1353
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:42.720
as a ghost on the internet though
literally he's a ghost on the Internet.

1354
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:45.159
I pushed everything I can to other
people and like, dig into this dude.

1355
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.000
This is an American citizen. I
passed it to the agency. I

1356
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.720
passed the FBI, and they're like, we can't do anything. He's an

1357
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:54.880
American citizen. I'm like, he's
an American citizen, but he's also got

1358
01:23:54.920 --> 01:24:00.199
British citizenship as well, and he's
super wealthy, and he's tied in the

1359
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.600
political sphere here in the United States. But he was recruiting for Wagner Group.

1360
01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:05.680
That's who he's moving people for too. He admitted he told that to

1361
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:09.960
our people who got this guy on
the call. Isn't that crazy? So

1362
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.199
we're like, what kind of tail
spin is this going to take next?

1363
01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:15.159
You know? I mean I can
see the CIA saying we can't like he's

1364
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.319
an American sist and what the FBI
like, I'm pretty sure the FBI can

1365
01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:21.680
process. That's their yeah, think, yeah, that's their purview. Yeah,

1366
01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:28.239
but well Treasury too, right,
if you're breaking uh finance laws,

1367
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:32.960
Yeah, yeah, that's I really
would like to find out what the truth

1368
01:24:33.039 --> 01:24:34.920
is behind that guy. Like I
said, all I know is what I

1369
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:40.800
was told. I was told that
he's he spoke at c PACK. Somebody

1370
01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:45.640
sent me like a Twitter clip of
him speaking there, tied in with a

1371
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:49.800
lot of big conservative politicians, and
I was like, huh interesting, you

1372
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:53.960
know what I mean. Yeah,
my thought when a lot of that stuff

1373
01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:57.800
was going down and what I thought
the missed opportunity was. And it's not

1374
01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:00.840
my job, but my thought is
like, we have all these guys we

1375
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:04.840
trained up in the KKA, the
ARU, the CTPTS. Why are we

1376
01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:09.760
not evacuating them to a third country? Not America, but a third country.

1377
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:13.279
That did happen, But I mean, why isn't the agency moving them

1378
01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:15.520
into a third country? And you
have an element that you can use for

1379
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:19.800
completely deniable operations? Oh absolutely,
dude. I've been trying to pitch that

1380
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:24.319
to the agency for the last year
and a half. Like I've literally have

1381
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:26.880
a guy that I've been talking to
and I'm like, Hey, this is

1382
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:30.640
the capabilities we can bring. We
actually had like a covert medical program we

1383
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:32.760
were going to use. We had
everything, we just needed a little bit

1384
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:35.000
more funding. I was like,
you guys, fund it. Now you

1385
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:41.279
have an ambulance company in Kabul,
Afghanistan that has access everywhere. We were

1386
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.800
going to build false bottoms in these
vehicles so we could transport people and supplies.

1387
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:47.279
We were literally trying to build packages
to sell to them, like,

1388
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:50.239
hey, here's a capability. Nobody
wants it. Yeah, I mean you'd

1389
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:54.880
have a group of Afghans who are
well versed in putting, you know,

1390
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:58.119
a suppress twenty two to the back
of somebody's head. Sounds like maybe something

1391
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:00.439
somebody could use. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I don't. I don't

1392
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.920
you would know that the agency will
touch like medical stuff. Well, that

1393
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:06.520
was just one aspect to it.
Yeah, but we were we were trying

1394
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:12.279
to think of ways to have better
the ability. So one of the things

1395
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:15.840
that was people were having issues was
moving people around. We're like, we'll

1396
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.720
create a medical company because there are
medical issues that are possible up right right

1397
01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:20.640
right, So we were going to
treat it was going to be a real

1398
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:26.640
medical agency or ambulance company for the
lat lack of a better term, but

1399
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:30.399
we were going to also be able
to use it to smuggle people and or

1400
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:35.279
supplies under the nose of the talent
as a you know, ambulance we had,

1401
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:40.239
I mean, we got a pretty
good Intel Networks still over there.

1402
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.199
We've kind of kind of let it
go because we it's no no need to

1403
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:45.880
pimp these guys for information all the
time, and we can't give them anything

1404
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:47.880
in return. I can't get you
outn right, Right, Let's talk a

1405
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:53.000
little bit about the further adventures of
Mike Edwards. Uh, your life after

1406
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:58.000
service after all this stuff, going
to work with us PA and and others.

1407
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:02.000
I know you have some interesting stories
there. Yeah. Like I said,

1408
01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:05.439
the whole stemmed from your podcast,
you know, people reaching out.

1409
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:12.960
We started Project Exodus, I met
Adam and Uh, then Brian Fitzgibbons,

1410
01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:15.359
and then you know, I did
some work with those guys. Well,

1411
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.279
then I ended up I had a
job that I had as a government contractor

1412
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:26.520
for a while, ended up losing
that job various things, and then I

1413
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:30.319
saw his jobless for about a year. Us PA Brian hit me up.

1414
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:32.840
Brian Fitzgibbons hit me up and he
said, hey, would you like to

1415
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:36.560
work with us for this contract?
And this was last December. I said,

1416
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:40.880
yeah, sure, we're going down
to Miami. I'll bring you down

1417
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.159
there. It's just like an executive
protection gig didn't really know what it was

1418
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:45.119
about him, Like, yeah,
sure, he bought me a plane ticket.

1419
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.439
I was on a plane, flew
down there and ended up me and

1420
01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:54.079
Rodney Brown, one of my seal
buddies who was with Project Exus. He

1421
01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:59.760
they contracted him too. Adam was
there running the static securities. We had

1422
01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:04.960
like of like fifty guards guarding this
art exhibit for Madonna. It was that

1423
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:10.319
like Eve Saint Laurent is what it
was called. So Madonna had this sex

1424
01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:14.880
art show that she had of like
pictures of herself naked all over the place

1425
01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:18.079
inside there. Yeah, and all
these celebrities, like a list celebrities.

1426
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:20.880
I don't remember the names of any
of them. You know, Adam were

1427
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:25.439
better than me, but Madonna was
the key. The head won, right,

1428
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.119
So she did that and then had
like a big after party. So

1429
01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:34.239
me and Ridney Brown were her personal
bodyguards for that event. So it's kind

1430
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:38.479
of interesting. Yeah, we were
the muscle really just blocking her from the

1431
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:44.880
paparazzi. But we did that manage
the security event for that. We do

1432
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:50.640
for the most part, we do
nationwide, even international armed executive protection security

1433
01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:55.920
bodyguard work and firewatch. Firewatch is
a big thing that we do where for

1434
01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:59.239
example, if you're building is under
construction, they may have to shut down

1435
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:01.479
the fire sprinklers system, and you
don't want to shut the business down.

1436
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:05.079
So by law, most places you
have to have basically like boot camp firewatch

1437
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:09.680
guy in there paid and so we
we do that a lot. We provide

1438
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:13.960
that service all over the country.
But the key thing with that is,

1439
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:18.640
uh fifty of all the earnings from
USPA goes into the Kingsman program. The

1440
01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:24.520
Kingsman is the nonprofit arm of USPA. Mike Evans, the owner of the

1441
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:28.600
company, such a nice guy,
such a big hearted guy, and Dan

1442
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:33.119
Manning the CEO, like they you
know, will accept these different missing persons

1443
01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:39.560
cases or traffic children or for example, battered women cases will come in and

1444
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.239
that's part of one of the things
I'm paid to do to his advice on

1445
01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:46.840
that stuff. So we'll we'll get
cases like there was a girl Ashland gill

1446
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:54.039
Up in Massachusetts, wasn't Massachusetts that
went went missing in the cops we're looking

1447
01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:57.680
for for like thirty something days.
We got on the case and found her

1448
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.000
within three days and had her back
to her family. Wow, there was

1449
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:03.439
another one. I won't say the
name, but it was an adult girl

1450
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:11.000
down in Florida who was tied in
with a basically international conmt. This dude

1451
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:15.680
had con many women, like good
looking younger girls. He was probably like

1452
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:18.680
about my age, and then he
was getting not as handsome, yeah,

1453
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:24.119
definitely not as handsome, and getting
these younger twenty something to thirty year old

1454
01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:28.199
girls to spend all their money,
literally millions of dollars he sucked out of

1455
01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:31.640
these girls just traveling around. And
I reached out some of my network that

1456
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:34.239
came from the Project Exodus stuff,
some of that stuff that I was tied

1457
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:39.960
in there was able to bring in
a guy that can dig on people's phones

1458
01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:44.000
and basically sig it type stuff and
find where these people are at. So

1459
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:46.119
we used him to find where these
people are at and ended up handing off

1460
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:54.520
the locations to the FBI and to
the sheriff detective down in Florida who actually

1461
01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:58.479
was in third range of re time
with us in the same platoon actually for

1462
01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:00.119
a little bit, so it was
interesting bumping into guy. But we helped

1463
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:05.319
federal law enforcement and local law enforcement
apprehend this basically, like I said,

1464
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:09.720
international con man, and freed this
girl up so that she suld go back

1465
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:11.960
to her family. She you know, she was willingly with him, so

1466
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.560
the family asked us to help her, but we couldn't force her to leave.

1467
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:17.399
She's like, it's more like a
deprogramming in a way, right,

1468
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.720
Yeah, And that's what we're going
to try to do, is kind of

1469
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:24.239
call her out, deprogram her the
best of our ability. Yeah, but

1470
01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:28.239
what we figured out the most viable
route was to just help the cops detain

1471
01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:30.560
him. Now he's out of the
picture and she's free, right, you

1472
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:32.279
know, So that's what happened.
Yeah. Well, we do a lot

1473
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.560
of that stuff, man, cases
that pop up. We try to help

1474
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:39.880
people as much as possible. Like
I said the kingsman, fifty percent of

1475
01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:43.159
our earnings goes to that to funding
these different programs. Yeah, and those

1476
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:48.439
programs are expensive, I mean with
the surveillance to tech, you know.

1477
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:54.239
If it's like recovery, uh you
know, you know, and I don't

1478
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:58.319
know if you guys, because you
said internationally, right or well, most

1479
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:00.720
of the recovery stuff we do here
in the States. Yeah, we could.

1480
01:32:01.159 --> 01:32:03.760
We have done some internationally as well, but most of us here in

1481
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:10.479
the States. But international is like
the security stuff, executive protection stuff all

1482
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:14.399
over the place. Yeah. Yeah, And how are you enjoying that?

1483
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:17.720
Like, how is that back to
your Rekie days? Yeah? You know

1484
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:23.520
because one of the things, one
of the things we talked about, I

1485
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:26.279
can't remember if it was your first
time on your second time on, was

1486
01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:30.560
like the post traumatic stress and like
the like pulling people out of cars isn't

1487
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:35.439
like necessarily like normal behavior, right, Yeah, And and I and I

1488
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:41.079
identify with that. One ever said
like you know where sometimes my girlfriend's like

1489
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:45.720
let this go, and like,
yeah, it's hard to de escalate some

1490
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:51.079
times. Yeah. How like,
how has it been for you not only

1491
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:56.359
with like the postmatic stress going back
sort of into this world, but also

1492
01:32:57.119 --> 01:33:00.960
the sense of mission, the sense
of purpose that you had and then you're

1493
01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:04.479
and then then you're looking for does
just kind of fulfill that role for you?

1494
01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:08.560
Yeah? I think you know,
that's one of the things when when

1495
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:12.399
USPA I asked me if I wanted
to come on full time working with them,

1496
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:15.159
I was like, man, I'm
so happy that you all asked me,

1497
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:17.560
because this is something that can definitely
get behind because I knew what they

1498
01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:19.880
were doing because I kind of helped
a little bit on the side with that.

1499
01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:24.520
But you're right, I've never had
PTSD, I guess per se.

1500
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:29.199
I don't know why. But I
did have other issues right that I that

1501
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:31.279
I had And we can speak on
that stuff if you guys have time.

1502
01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:35.279
I want to. But I never
had PTSD. But yeah, it is

1503
01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:39.520
right, It is good. You
know. Whenever I retired, I was

1504
01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:42.119
doing the free fall stuff. There
was in a lot of free fall contracts.

1505
01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:45.680
I was teaching wrecky courses and long
range shooting courses and stuff different guys,

1506
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.479
and I enjoyed that. You're still
with the boys, still walking in

1507
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:53.760
the mountains, still doing military type
stuff. Right when you completely pull away

1508
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.199
from that, it kind of it's
like a sever that you can feel,

1509
01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:59.399
you know, it just doesn't feel
right. So I pulled away from that

1510
01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:03.520
for a little bit. But this
definitely fulfills. It feels that niche you

1511
01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:08.239
know what I mean. Am I
I'm sorry, my memory is horrible,

1512
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:13.239
but I was it was It was
it not you. We were talking about,

1513
01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:16.399
like getting angry on the on the
road and roadbridge I did. I

1514
01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:18.960
Yeah, I used to get like
that. Yeah, yeah, that was

1515
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:24.119
a period of time. For a
while. I was just angry at the

1516
01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.199
world. Man. I don't know
why. It was, but I was.

1517
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:28.199
I was angry, dude. I
mean, you know a lot of

1518
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:30.680
guys are scared to talk about this
stuff. Yeah, but you know,

1519
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:33.479
suicide is a big deal. Like
we've had friends that died from that.

1520
01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:35.840
Yeah, dude, to be honest
with you, I've had a pistol to

1521
01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:39.800
my head snatching the slack out of
a trigger before. I'm not scared to

1522
01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:43.800
tell people about that because that was
a weakness that I was at it.

1523
01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:47.279
I'll never be back there again,
do that now. But at the time,

1524
01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:50.840
man, I was being haunted.
I don't know why or what it

1525
01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:54.399
was called. None of this ever
happened while I was in the military,

1526
01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:57.319
right. It was. Once I
was out of the military and I was

1527
01:34:57.399 --> 01:35:00.800
just at home with my wife and
kid. I was drinking a lot to

1528
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:05.800
like kind of mitigate pain and stress
and stuff like that, taking like pain

1529
01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:12.239
pills and ambient and all that kind
of crap, met self medicating. I

1530
01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:14.760
don't know why I was doing it. I felt like I needed it to

1531
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:17.640
sleep, I felt like I needed
it to be RESTful. But dude,

1532
01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:20.720
I would lose control, man,
Like I was angry. I was.

1533
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:25.960
I was. I was so mean
to my wife, you know, thank

1534
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:28.760
God, I've got a good Christian
wife. And my wife was praying for

1535
01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:30.000
me all the time, Like I
call her, I tell her, I

1536
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:33.000
think I said that on the second
one. She's the most valorous soldier that

1537
01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:39.119
I know because I was her worst
enemy. I was attacking her left and

1538
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:42.800
right, and she just prayed for
me and prayed for me and prayed for

1539
01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:46.399
me. And then boom, I'm
I'm completely changed. I'm not even close

1540
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:49.359
to the same guy I was the
last time I was on this podcast.

1541
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:54.239
Man, You know that goes into
my new passion is like studying the Bible,

1542
01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:58.359
like I have studied the Bible for
the last four years now, And

1543
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:00.880
at first, like I was telling
you, I chucked that across the room.

1544
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.840
I get pissed off on like this
book is stupid, it's trash.

1545
01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:09.640
Who could even understand this thing?
But now I've studied it so much that

1546
01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:13.800
I do understand it. Now,
I do understand it clearly, and I

1547
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:16.640
teach people on the side. I
put together Bible studies and lead groups of

1548
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:20.039
Bible studies for this, and there's
a lot of people coming around to the

1549
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:24.000
truth with this. Now. One
of the most shocking things. A lot

1550
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.880
of people don't like to accept it, but I mean the Bible predicted this.

1551
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.439
The Bible predicted that in the end
times, the entire church, the

1552
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:35.960
entire church would be apostate, you
know, meaning that it's completely against God.

1553
01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:39.119
Right, Yeah, that's exactly where
we are. We are. It

1554
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:42.000
says, you know, that the
ministers of Satan would come the ministers of

1555
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:45.800
righteousness. That's what's going on.
Like it literally says false apostles as the

1556
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.680
apostles of Christ. So all of
this, the Bible told us that in

1557
01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:54.600
the end times, Satan's ministers would
be in the church teaching false doctrine.

1558
01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:59.359
But a lot of people have too
much pride to look at the Bible and

1559
01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:02.319
be like, this teaches totally different
than what my preacher said. A lot

1560
01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:05.800
of times it hits them deep and
they just refuse it. They refuse it,

1561
01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:10.079
and like the Bible says, they
harden their hearts against it because of

1562
01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:13.720
pride. It's interesting, like from
what you've described, it sounds like you're

1563
01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:15.600
kind of like self taught, Like
you didn't really go to church so much

1564
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:19.680
as as much as you like forced
your way through the Bible initially, like

1565
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.720
line by line. You know,
even I think he said, you didn't

1566
01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:26.880
really take to it, you didn't
really understand it, but you kept add

1567
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.720
it until it started to make sense
to you. I really did, Like

1568
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:34.079
a lot of the seminary schools that
are out there teach, they teach this

1569
01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:40.439
corrupted doctrine that's out there. It's
antibiblical. Man. If you really do

1570
01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:44.399
take a forensic study of the Bible
itself, it takes immense amounts of hours,

1571
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:46.720
Like I mean, I have thousands
and thousands of hours of studying to

1572
01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:51.920
this, and then you start unlocking
pieces because there's, like you know,

1573
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:56.920
Jesus spoken different parables and things like
that. A lot of those parables you

1574
01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:00.479
think there's a surface layer understanding to
it, but when you understand more depth

1575
01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:03.920
of the scriptures, it unlocks the
parable's true meaning and a lot of that

1576
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:09.840
stuff. It doesn't come alive until
you've really studied in depth. And you're

1577
01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:13.039
right, I studied on my own, and I believe that's the purest form.

1578
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:16.279
And the Bible says that that we're
not supposed to have anyone else interpret

1579
01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:19.439
the scriptures for us. We're supposed
to individually between you and the scripture,

1580
01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:23.359
but it's between us and God.
He interprets it for us, and it

1581
01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:28.239
actually interprets itself too, So I
mean we're not really like a religious podcast

1582
01:38:28.319 --> 01:38:31.039
per se. But since this is
like something that means something to you and

1583
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:34.239
has been like beneficial for you,
I would like to ask, like in

1584
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:38.399
your own words, then what is
the Bible to you? What? What

1585
01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:42.039
what did you take out of it? What are like the big threads that

1586
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:49.520
changed you? Well, I think
the Bible is the manifestation of God himself,

1587
01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:53.199
you know what I mean. Like
it does say in the beginning was

1588
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:55.119
the word, The word was God, and the word was with God.

1589
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.840
The word became flesh and dwelt among
us. So there's codes in that,

1590
01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:01.600
right. The word is scriptures,
and it's saying that the Word was God

1591
01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:08.600
and is God. And so like
I believe that studying those scriptures it cleanses

1592
01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:10.520
you. It says that it does, and it has cleansed to me.

1593
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:12.800
You know, my wife don't fight, but we used to. I don't

1594
01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:15.279
drink like I used to drink every
single night all the time. Now I'll

1595
01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:19.399
have an occasional drink here and there, never get drunk. I don't take

1596
01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:24.239
any of the pills that I used
to take. I've cleaned up my language,

1597
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:26.600
you know what I mean, my
acts, my culture. It's just

1598
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:29.319
and I didn't try to do this. It did it for me, right,

1599
01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:30.560
you know, it was just like
it just naturally happens, do you

1600
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:34.479
You know, because you talk about
this anger and and you know, and

1601
01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:38.239
I think that a lot of veterans, you talk about suicide and things like

1602
01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.560
that, and I think a lot
of veterans, especially a lot of special

1603
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:45.399
operations veterans for whatever reason, where
you know, there's this blanket sort of

1604
01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:49.560
idea of post traumatic stress. But
you know, as we've talked about on

1605
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:56.359
the show before, there's also blast
injuries and TBI. They get meshed in

1606
01:39:56.680 --> 01:40:00.920
with that because we've we've we've all
stood way too close to way too many

1607
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:11.439
breaches. Yeah, and you know, and then there's also going from sixty

1608
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:14.399
miles an hour to zero miles an
hour. I think that has a lot

1609
01:40:14.439 --> 01:40:18.479
to do with it. Where you
have this purpose. You are an elite,

1610
01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:23.680
you know, you're you're an elite
in the world. You're like a

1611
01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:29.720
child actor whose time ends. Right, you're at the top, you're at

1612
01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:34.119
you're at the top of your game. Yeah, with purpose, with a

1613
01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:40.239
fulfilling mission, and then you're back
out in the civilian world where there's none

1614
01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:44.199
of the camaraderie, none of the
purpose, none of that. And so

1615
01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:48.000
that with the pro dramatic stress that
may or may not be there, with

1616
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:56.399
the blast injuries and TBIs, it
all blends together to this situation. Yeah,

1617
01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:01.199
exactly, it really does. And
I think it's easy to be overtaken

1618
01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:04.479
by that. It's really easy.
I mean, I'm telling you I've been

1619
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:09.039
like with a block, snatching the
slack out of the trigger, Like I

1620
01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:12.359
was lucky to overpull that thing.
I could have easily been one of those

1621
01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:15.199
statistics. And like, who knows
if those guys are doing the same thing,

1622
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:18.439
never intended on killing themselves, but
just so angry. They're just like

1623
01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.680
you will. You will think I'll
do this, you know what I mean

1624
01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:24.159
at your wife, you know.
And it's very momentary. I mean,

1625
01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:27.600
I have very momentary I've kicked in
a door and taken a pistol out of

1626
01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:34.680
friend's hand before, and and he's
no longer like it was a momentary thing.

1627
01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:42.359
Yeah, and and and he's not
at risk anymore, thank god.

1628
01:41:42.479 --> 01:41:46.199
But the thing is is that it's
such an insidious spiral that that we don't.

1629
01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:49.920
We don't see it for ourselves when
we're in it. You're right,

1630
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:53.880
You're exactly right. It's like,
you know, I ap preached it my

1631
01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:57.600
buddies all the time, and like
I got like Rodney Brown, you know,

1632
01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:59.640
he he always tells me, he's
like, hey, bro, if

1633
01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.079
you ever need me, call me, like, and he's specifically talking about

1634
01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.479
that. Not because at the time
when he would say that to me,

1635
01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:08.279
it's not because he knew that I
had had these events, because I definitely

1636
01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:10.439
didn't tell him, right, you
know, because like i'd like, I'll

1637
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:12.520
talk about the stuff out in the
open. I'll tell it to anybody because

1638
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:15.800
it's an issue that does need to
be talked about because we all deal with

1639
01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:16.640
it, you know what I mean. We all deal with it at some

1640
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.960
level. Maybe not as bad as
that or like to the point we actually

1641
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:24.520
do it, but we all deal
with it at some level, and it

1642
01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:27.359
just depends on how far out of
control it gets. But yeah, I

1643
01:42:27.359 --> 01:42:30.560
wouldn't call him when those times,
having I wasn't call him, right,

1644
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:31.520
you know what I mean. It's
one of those things. You're right,

1645
01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:36.520
you have to. It's hard to
get out of, it's hard to overcome

1646
01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:40.840
that weakness and admit that you're weak, right, you see what I'm saying,

1647
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.960
right, right, And yeah,
And it's one of those things where

1648
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.439
issue you're right, like, people
don't reach out like people who expect like

1649
01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:53.600
veterans or probably anybody in this situe, not just veterans, but people who

1650
01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:57.680
expect people to reach out to a
professional or even a friend, it's not

1651
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:01.239
gonna happen. That's when you have
to like do those buddy checks and like

1652
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:08.000
like you just go in and assume
an assault team basically, yeah, and

1653
01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:13.079
and you know, give the knife
hand and you get lucky. Like there's

1654
01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:17.560
there's people that I've worked with that
I was lucky to get on the phone

1655
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:21.319
with and talk them. I fell
off of it. Guys that worked for

1656
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:26.680
me called me one time and was
like, Hey, there's this one guy

1657
01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.600
and that used to be in our
in our group, in our platoon,

1658
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:31.760
and he's struggling right now. We
think he's gonna kill himself. And they're

1659
01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:33.760
like call him, and I'm like, please, God, let's do answer

1660
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.319
to the phone. I called.
He answered the phone, and I don't

1661
01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:40.399
know if I helped him. Maybe
I got to intervene at that right time.

1662
01:43:40.439 --> 01:43:42.479
But that's why, like you said, those buddy checks, doing them

1663
01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:46.359
routinely because that dude's not gonna call
you. You know. Luckily, somebody

1664
01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:49.880
saw triggers from that guy on like
maybe social media, right, and then

1665
01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:54.560
they started alerting people that network worked
for that guy, right. But it

1666
01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:57.800
doesn't always work, man, And
that's why I think being honest about it.

1667
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:00.279
Like, that's why, Like I
saw one of my buddies, DJ

1668
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:03.960
Shipley, who was uh it made
him did some free fall contract stuff together.

1669
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:09.520
I watched the podcast he did on
Sean Ryan and he talked he talked

1670
01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:12.680
very open about that, and I
was like, dude, like I can't

1671
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:15.000
believe, Like, like I'm like, if he's talking about that, I

1672
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:16.439
should be able to talk about that
stuff. Yeah. So I'm like that

1673
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.720
that like changed me right there.
I was like, dude, that is

1674
01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:25.159
awesome on him to have spoken out
about his weaknesses. You know, stil

1675
01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:29.479
Team six operator like admitted his weaknesses. Man. More people need to hear

1676
01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:30.920
that stuff. So when I heard
that from him, I was like,

1677
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:32.520
dude, I need to do the
same thing if I ever get the opportunity,

1678
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:36.039
be honest about it, because you
know, people will realize because we're

1679
01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:40.039
bad at on special ops. Guys, right, we can't be weak,

1680
01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:43.319
but in that situation, you have
to admit when you're weak. What was

1681
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:46.760
what was the turning point for you? You know, I really don't know.

1682
01:44:48.159 --> 01:44:54.119
It just it kind of like slowly
happened with my Bible study stuff.

1683
01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:56.840
Like I said, I just stuck
with it and stuck with it. It's

1684
01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.960
like God just took it from me. Man, he took the anger away.

1685
01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.039
Wow, he took the like,
the the want to to do that

1686
01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:05.560
stuff. I don't get angry.
Like the things that my wife used to

1687
01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:09.119
do that made me angry don't make
me angry anymore. I don't make her

1688
01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:12.399
angry like I used to because she's
changed too. She's in the same boat

1689
01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:15.319
as me, but on the other
side now. So our whole family has

1690
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:18.319
changed because of that stuff. I
just I can't explain it, man,

1691
01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.359
Yeah, I can't explain it.
But it's definitely for the better. No,

1692
01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:25.960
that's fantastic. I mean it really
is. And and it's you know,

1693
01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:29.079
definitely a topic that definitely needs to
be talked about man more often.

1694
01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:31.760
Well, and and you know,
we've we've had people on who have who

1695
01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:39.439
have been through this and who have
been through, uh psychotropic medicines that you

1696
01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:47.279
know, uh still like ganglion blocks, you know, uh four key with

1697
01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:51.279
like the breathing and things like that, like all these different things. But

1698
01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:57.319
you know you're bringing something that that
hasn't really been talked about on the show

1699
01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:00.920
before, which is is just faith
true. I do believe with everything in

1700
01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:04.760
my entire being that that is the
ticket. It's not the easy ticket though.

1701
01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:10.960
It comes with like like the scripture
says, those who diligently seek him,

1702
01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:14.439
he will manifest himself to you.
So you can't just do it at

1703
01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:16.279
a surf la surface layer. You
can't just half asked, you know what

1704
01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:18.319
I mean. You got to go
into full bore. And that's the way

1705
01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:20.800
I looked at him. I was
like, I'm going to prove that this

1706
01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:26.960
is either a legitimate, divinely inspired
book or I'm gonna prove it's trash one

1707
01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:29.760
of the two. And I went
at it myself tearing. It was such

1708
01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:33.600
a typical Ranger there's no right right, It's either all the way in.

1709
01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:41.039
But it definitely I believe that's the
ticket because I've tried the the different stuff

1710
01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:45.680
out there. We've got a ranger
buddy, grant them, Miles grant them.

1711
01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:50.880
Yeah, he travels around and helps
guys with this, with the toad

1712
01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:55.000
stuff. Right, And he came
and like, and I don't want to

1713
01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:59.439
say too many details, but he
put me through one of those toads.

1714
01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:02.960
I've I've interviewed him about it before, about hyahuasca and stuff like that.

1715
01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:06.039
So me and Miles were in the
same platoon. We were both in snipers

1716
01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:10.319
together. Yeah, I knew you
were, and then we reconnected. We

1717
01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:12.800
stayed in touch after we got out
of the military, and we used to

1718
01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:15.119
have dinner once in a while.
And he lived up here in New York

1719
01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:18.439
and yeah, he's doing executive protection
stuff. Oh that's right. And for

1720
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.279
better or worse, I convinced him
he should go to Columbia, he should

1721
01:47:21.319 --> 01:47:25.960
go enroll up there, and he
majored in political or no, he majored

1722
01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:30.000
in computer science. And then he
got on board with all the hyahuasca stuff.

1723
01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:32.439
And it did him. I mean
he's talked about it publicly before.

1724
01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:34.800
I mean it's done him a world
of good. And like you said,

1725
01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:38.680
now he goes around helping other guys
with it. He called me like he

1726
01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:40.479
was hitting me up. He was
like, dude, you need to do

1727
01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.279
this stuff. You need to do
this stuff. I'm like, man,

1728
01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:45.359
I just didn't want to because I
was working and I was afraid i'd be

1729
01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:48.000
like hungover or weird afterwards. A
lot of the times he was trying to

1730
01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:53.279
catch me, you know places you
know out west, and I'm like,

1731
01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:56.159
I just can't do this in the
middle of the work trip. It's just

1732
01:47:56.319 --> 01:47:58.880
I just don't feel right about it. He's like, it's over with,

1733
01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:01.640
like super fast. So then he
finally hmmed me up. And everything was

1734
01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:05.159
so bad with my wife at the
time to where she was like, I

1735
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:09.000
don't care. She was totally against
it. She's like, that's stuff satanic,

1736
01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:11.640
you know what I mean. And
she's like totally against it. But

1737
01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:15.079
then she's like, I don't care. If it'll save our marriage, just

1738
01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:15.880
do it. I said, all
right, So I hit him up and

1739
01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:17.720
I said, yeah, I'm good
if you want to do it. So

1740
01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:24.520
he literally personally did one for me
and a couple other guys, another Ranger

1741
01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:28.560
body, and then an SF dude
that I met at Walter Reid came down

1742
01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:32.319
and did it for me in my
backyard man, and it was it was

1743
01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:38.359
the most amazing thing. But I
don't think that's what fixed me. I

1744
01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:41.920
didn't. I still had issues,
significant issues after that. I do know

1745
01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:45.039
that there are guys that do it
to say it's life change. Do you

1746
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:50.640
think it gave you space to like
examine the rest of it, Like if

1747
01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:54.920
it didn't change everything immediately for you, do you feel like it created a

1748
01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:58.119
space for you to do that,
to like examine things. I believe so,

1749
01:48:58.439 --> 01:49:00.039
because I do believe. This is
what I try to tell people.

1750
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:04.119
Like my wife was against it all, but I was like, God created

1751
01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.520
those things for a reason, right, you know, if there's God and

1752
01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:11.279
he's real, he created these planets
and these things for medicine. I believe

1753
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:15.720
it's for guys like us who are
too hard to break through to that spiritual

1754
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:19.279
peace, you know. Like so, I think what that did do for

1755
01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:24.840
me is it showed me because you
go and meet God when you do that

1756
01:49:24.880 --> 01:49:27.279
stuff, that's what it does.
It takes you into what they call the

1757
01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:30.079
spirit realm. Like that's literally,
I mean that's what they talk about.

1758
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:32.640
You're going into the spirit world,
and that's where you go. With hyahuasca

1759
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:36.880
and the toad medicine is even more
potent. And that's the stuff that I

1760
01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:42.680
did, and I think it showed
to me that God is real and he's

1761
01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:45.000
out there. So then that kind
of intrigued me because it was about after,

1762
01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:47.760
right about after that when I really
started studying the Bible, So maybe

1763
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:51.600
it did kind of catalyst it in
because I'm like, yeah, God's real

1764
01:49:51.720 --> 01:49:56.199
for sure. Now this book's better
be real or wrong. I start started

1765
01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:59.640
digging in. I think Jim Morris, you know, had like a really

1766
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.399
interest and comment like after Vietnam he
started experimenting with LSD back when no one

1767
01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:10.840
knew about that, Jim Morrison from
the Special Forces in Vietnam, and he

1768
01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:15.319
said that, you know, the
the psychedelics can get you out of the

1769
01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:17.520
box you're in into like the room
of the house, but as far as

1770
01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:19.600
like if you want to explore the
rest of the house, you kind of

1771
01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:21.880
have to do that on your own. That's a good point. I think

1772
01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:27.680
he's right about that. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, because it did because

1773
01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:30.439
you know, thinking back on it, maybe it was the catalyst that pushed

1774
01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:33.640
me into the realm that I'm at
now, because yeah, it kind of

1775
01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:39.000
breaks down like I think, you
know, like how older people get to

1776
01:50:39.079 --> 01:50:42.079
where you know, they're stuck in
their old wage can't take teaching old dog

1777
01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:45.800
new tricks. We tend to compartmentalize
ourselves in our brains or what the norm

1778
01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.720
is, right, and that thing. I do believe it helps step you

1779
01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:54.399
outside of that box of the norm
to where you're like, well this exists.

1780
01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:57.079
Let me get busy with that,
you know what I mean. So,

1781
01:50:57.800 --> 01:51:01.760
yeah, no, it's it's fascinating. You know, I've talked,

1782
01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:05.359
well, we've talked to people.
I've talked to people personally about the ayahuasca,

1783
01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:11.760
the ibu gaine, you know,
the different types of plant based medicines

1784
01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.560
that are out there. Yeah,
And what's really interesting because you even mentioned

1785
01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:18.279
LSD, and we can talk about
like uh d MT and and uh and

1786
01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:24.439
uh molly or uh you know,
like these were all being researched heavily,

1787
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.760
like in the fifties or a lot
of these were, yeah, and sixties

1788
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.840
and then when they broke out of
a lab and became part of the counterculture,

1789
01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:33.880
was all shut down. But but
it but there was already efica efficacy

1790
01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:41.079
being shown, yeah, like decades
ago. Yeah, sure with these things,

1791
01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:43.840
and it's you know, all coming
back around now, like and I

1792
01:51:43.920 --> 01:51:46.359
think you have to be careful with
it. But I haven't seen any special

1793
01:51:46.399 --> 01:51:50.039
operations guys that have done it that
have had bad negative effect. I've never

1794
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:53.479
had one of them come back to
me and say like they you got a

1795
01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:58.319
bad experience, right. Like another
one of my buddies from the Ranger Regiment

1796
01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:01.000
just did it, and I won't
say his names. I don't know if

1797
01:52:01.039 --> 01:52:05.199
he won't start out, but he's
just like he's like me now, like

1798
01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:10.600
he's studying the Bible, like he's
digging in hardcore. This is a retired

1799
01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:15.720
sarm major, you know, he's
he's like, no joke. Like he

1800
01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:18.039
did the ayahuasca and I think the
iba gain, I think the toat he

1801
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:23.159
did like a big thing down in
Central or South America where it's like totally

1802
01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:25.960
legalized, so like they were able
to do a longer treatment. Yeah,

1803
01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:28.239
and he was like, man,
it changed his life, and yeah it

1804
01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:30.520
has. I see it in him. I look at that guy like he's

1805
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.520
talking to me about the Bible now. I'm like, what it's like me

1806
01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:35.479
talking about the Bible like a couple
of years ago though, be the last

1807
01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:38.840
thing you hear me talking about.
But that guy's talking about it now.

1808
01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:40.920
Yeah, I'm like, man,
and I've seen that from a lot of

1809
01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:44.520
the guys that do it. It's
really interesting to see, Like, and

1810
01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:46.359
I've seen it a lot because I've
been out of the military for what like

1811
01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:50.760
twelve thirteen years now, so I've
gotten to see a lot of guys get

1812
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:57.159
out of the military and they have
their post military journey transitioning out, and

1813
01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:00.359
for a lot of them, it
is a rough ride. I mean I

1814
01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:03.439
had something of a rough ride too, the transition out for a lot of

1815
01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:06.439
guys with substance abuse to anger,
like a lot of anger. Yeah,

1816
01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:11.560
and then find something and then we've
talked about a bunch of different things.

1817
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:15.479
People find different things in different ways. For some people it's more traditional therapy,

1818
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:19.159
whatever that happens to be, and
then they sort of like even out

1819
01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:24.479
and find the next thing in their
life. It's just very interesting and I

1820
01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:28.319
find it very i don't know why, gratifying in a way to watch these

1821
01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:31.039
guys sort of evolve, you know. And unfortunately, the unfortunate thing,

1822
01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:33.760
of course that we've talked about too, some don't make it. Yeah,

1823
01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:39.800
yeah, thankfully there are some that
are making it. And to know what

1824
01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:43.520
the solution to that is, I
don't know. I do I do believe

1825
01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:45.039
that, you know, the whole
faith thing. I do believe that's the

1826
01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:48.479
key. I just don't know,
like I said, even in my own

1827
01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:51.760
process, I don't know how that
came about necessarily. Well, what's interesting,

1828
01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:56.000
though, is the faith thing isn't
even it's not new like alcoholics.

1829
01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:00.600
Anonymous was sort of based around faith, you know, not necessarily Christianity,

1830
01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:05.239
but a higher power and giving giving
over to that higher power. You know.

1831
01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:13.199
However, a person recognizing it's it's
just that you know, we we

1832
01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:15.399
often you know, we're a secular
country at this point in a lot of

1833
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:25.319
ways, and and we we stray
away from faith. We also have people

1834
01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:29.119
who like push the faith a little, you know, too much. Yeah,

1835
01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:31.279
and they're pushing it in the wrong
ways honestly. Yeah. Yeah,

1836
01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:34.960
there's more too than that. Yeah, And they make it very they make

1837
01:54:35.039 --> 01:54:39.760
it like a very scary, judgmental
like thing. It's like a social club.

1838
01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:41.840
Yeah, I mean, it's really
like a social club. Like you

1839
01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:44.840
just do this thing and hang out
here and like I act and you're cool.

1840
01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:47.600
But they they're they're just as loss
as anybody else, honestly. Yeah,

1841
01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:51.399
when you dig into the Bible about
it. But but you're right,

1842
01:54:51.479 --> 01:54:57.199
man, it definitely. It's it's
something that has gone away because I think,

1843
01:54:57.600 --> 01:54:59.880
you know, in America, we're
all about making money, making money,

1844
01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:02.279
money, and even you're working hard, you're making tons of money,

1845
01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:05.039
you have more incentive to work even
more hours. But then there's the people

1846
01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:10.079
that are poor as well. They're
working two jobs, three jobs just to

1847
01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:13.600
keep afloat. Right on top of
that, you got your children in sports,

1848
01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:16.039
gymnastics, piano lessons, all these
things. It occupies all your time.

1849
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:19.520
You cannot you do not have the
time that I have to read the

1850
01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:24.600
Bible. Like I was unemployed for
an entire year. Yeah, that's really

1851
01:55:24.680 --> 01:55:29.119
what COVID year. Yeah, yeah, I was unemployed for an entire year,

1852
01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:32.520
and that entire year, I spent
a lot of time in the Bible

1853
01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:38.159
itself and I and I found out
that that thing is true. And I

1854
01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:41.520
feel pity for people. I'm like, I just wish everybody had that time

1855
01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:45.319
and and I wish something would urge
them to do it because it is life

1856
01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:48.159
changing. But bottom line is,
in this world, we just everything is

1857
01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:54.199
out there to take you away from
that instead. Yeah, yeah, so

1858
01:55:54.640 --> 01:55:58.880
less said that, Uh, there
used to be a truggle and that work

1859
01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:03.520
at the p X crossed from the
lay Mike went into purchase DIP and she

1860
01:56:03.560 --> 01:56:08.439
would not allow him to even though
he was in uniform. Oh, because

1861
01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:12.239
I didn't have my ID card.
I remember that I went over there to

1862
01:56:12.279 --> 01:56:16.000
buy my DIP. I literally walked
across the street, so like I forgot

1863
01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:19.960
left my ID card or something like
that. I'm in uniform, master sergeant,

1864
01:56:20.079 --> 01:56:26.000
right, so I'm like, obviously
I'm probably older, you know what

1865
01:56:26.039 --> 01:56:28.960
I mean, And she would not
sell it to me. I got soaked

1866
01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:33.039
pull a gun on her. Probably
should have, dude, That lady was

1867
01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:39.800
mean. God I had. I
had one of my privates in handcuffs at

1868
01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:44.039
the p X because he uh went
to go buy a pack of smokes forgot

1869
01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:46.079
to pay for it and walk out
the door. Dang yeah, man,

1870
01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:50.520
the the NPS came and slapped handcuffs
on. First sergeant had to come down.

1871
01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:54.760
Oh yeah, dang yeah. People
with the PX can be dicks.

1872
01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:58.319
Man. Yeah, I had.
I'm trying to remember. I don't even

1873
01:56:58.319 --> 01:57:01.159
want to tell that story. It'll
get done a whole Another rabbit hole that

1874
01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:04.840
was that the clothing and sales one
time, not a good situation at for

1875
01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:09.239
betting. A lot of those ladies
that worked on places on for betting were

1876
01:57:09.319 --> 01:57:15.279
not nice. Well, and the
thing is is that they could take it

1877
01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:19.640
out on Joe's right like privates.
Yeah, what's a private gonna do to

1878
01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:24.760
somebody who works at the PX A
little bit of power? Yeah, yeah,

1879
01:57:24.800 --> 01:57:27.439
you mouth off? All they got
to do is call your boss and

1880
01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:30.039
you're straight done. Yeah you know
what I mean at that point. Ru

1881
01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:33.119
Yeah, they do have power,
I mean, and they oh, they

1882
01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:39.520
abuse the crop out of it.
Yeah, have any questions for Mike,

1883
01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:42.319
we do. Let me uh,
let me get into them now. I'm

1884
01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:47.000
going to uh preface these questions by
saying I saw a couple of them go

1885
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:53.000
by. There might be no no, but there might be like some there

1886
01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:59.479
might be like some t TP type
questions going on, and I will I

1887
01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:06.600
will ask Mike the questions you guys
asked. But understand that understand that,

1888
01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:13.279
uh give us the nuclear launch codes
broke? Yeah, oh you know you

1889
01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:16.920
like, we don't. We don't
like gotcha questions on this channel and whatnot.

1890
01:58:16.920 --> 01:58:19.319
But we're gonna we're gonna lay one
out. You talked about getting read

1891
01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:24.039
onto all these programs. Tell us
about the aliens, man, tell us

1892
01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:29.199
about area fifty one and what was
read onto. Oh I wish, I

1893
01:58:29.319 --> 01:58:34.600
wish I knew, although uh oh
yeah, that's I really wasn't read on

1894
01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:40.520
any of that stuff. Although there's
a guy that has a biblical perspective on

1895
01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:45.960
that that that ties Caunds think about
it. You know New Jerusalem, which

1896
01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:49.119
is like Heaven comes down from Heaven. It's gonna what is it gonna look

1897
01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:53.359
like? It's gonna be like twelve
thousand prolongs with twelve thousand prolongs, It's

1898
01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:58.199
huge. It's gonna be like a
massive spaceship probably. And this one dude's

1899
01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:00.439
perspective on it, I don't know
hundred percent on it, but he believes

1900
01:59:00.479 --> 01:59:03.359
it could be a deception, you
know what I mean to like lure people

1901
01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:08.119
into the fal Scott who knows the
UFO cult? Yeah, who knows?

1902
01:59:10.359 --> 01:59:15.720
Let's see he uh so. Brian
Fitzgibbons, thank you very much friend.

1903
01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:19.359
Mike Edwards and Adam White, two
of the greatest of all time. I

1904
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:23.359
love you too. Adam come over
here and sit down, man, come

1905
01:59:23.520 --> 01:59:28.680
come saying Yeah, if you guys
have not watched Mike's previous two shows and

1906
01:59:28.720 --> 01:59:33.199
Adam's previous show, like you gotta
Jackson, Thank you very much. People

1907
01:59:33.279 --> 01:59:39.800
have said RC prepares guys best for
Delta selection given RC selection process and mission.

1908
01:59:40.279 --> 01:59:43.840
How true is that in your opinion? Also, what's the working relationship

1909
01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:47.039
with Delta. Yeah, we worked
directly with him, just like anybody else

1910
01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:51.840
does within the community. And I
would say, yeah, if you wanted

1911
01:59:51.880 --> 01:59:56.840
to go to Delta force selection and
you've been to RC selection, more likely

1912
01:59:56.920 --> 02:00:01.079
to be successful because they're very similar, and vice versa. Guys that go

1913
02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:05.640
to Deltimore selection would be more likely
to be successful in RC because they're the

1914
02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:12.640
selections are very very similar. If
I can't say exact, but sure pretty

1915
02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:16.920
close. But would it be similar
to going from like like Apple to IBM

1916
02:00:17.399 --> 02:00:23.720
that that you're that people aren't going
to r r C to prep for Delta.

1917
02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:27.199
It's not like deltas you're wasting your
time. Delta's not like the next

1918
02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:30.840
step up because they're they're very they're
like equal, they just do different things.

1919
02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:33.840
Yeah, it's it's not like,
yeah, you're not gonna go to

1920
02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:36.760
one of those to go to the
other one because you're going through this arduous,

1921
02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:41.840
arduous program to then go to another
arduous, ardiss program. I just

1922
02:00:41.880 --> 02:00:44.479
think that's ridiculous. Now I've seen
guys that have tried every one of them

1923
02:00:44.520 --> 02:00:45.439
and then finally get to one of
them. Yeah, you know, like

1924
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:48.880
you went through all of that,
but it's not the best route. But

1925
02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:53.199
you're right. So if you go
to r C, it's because you're interested

1926
02:00:53.239 --> 02:00:57.039
in more of the Reki piece or
if you're going into delta, for sure,

1927
02:00:57.079 --> 02:00:59.920
you're more gonna be interested in the
DAP so like they kicking indoors kind

1928
02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:03.159
of stuff. So the way I
like to explain it is Delta force they

1929
02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:06.960
do a higher level of CQB like
Range of Battalion does a ton of it,

1930
02:01:08.279 --> 02:01:12.000
but those dudes do it at the
highest, highest most precision level,

1931
02:01:12.199 --> 02:01:21.000
right you know, Joe's gotcha,
Thank you very much. Uh yeah,

1932
02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:27.000
so this very interested. Yeah so
so, uh so this is one of

1933
02:01:27.039 --> 02:01:30.199
those questions. Uh, did r
C have in how singan capabilities when you

1934
02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:34.319
were there or did they have to
rely on sod a's or TFO to fill

1935
02:01:34.399 --> 02:01:39.359
that role? No worries if you
can't comment. Yeah, we have our

1936
02:01:39.399 --> 02:01:42.960
own, you know, abilities within
the regiment. You know, the regiment's

1937
02:01:43.000 --> 02:01:46.199
pretty robust, so yeah, we
have our own capabilities within that Jackson,

1938
02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:49.560
thank you very much. How much
shooting CQB REC training did you do as

1939
02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:55.159
an RC operator compared to your time
as a ranger in alignment? Also,

1940
02:01:55.279 --> 02:01:59.239
how often do you see green berets
or seals or MARSOC guys at our RC.

1941
02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:02.399
We did a lot of shooting,
a lot of a lot. Like

1942
02:02:02.439 --> 02:02:05.399
I said, we got a lot
more to the pistol shooting piece because it's

1943
02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:10.680
the concealed carry aspect of it.
We need that a lot. So we

1944
02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:14.720
shot a lot more pistol in RC
than we did in the ranger betines.

1945
02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:17.079
As far as rifle shooting, we
probably shot about the same amount, although

1946
02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:21.399
we probably shot sniper rifles more in
RC. As far as like dealing with

1947
02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:28.199
special forces in Marstok and guys like
that, I never really worked with special

1948
02:02:28.239 --> 02:02:31.760
forces or MARSOC dudes overseas that much. I would occasionally see them. But

1949
02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:34.239
when I worked at the free Fall
School, I worked with those guys and

1950
02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:36.800
I helped that. If that person
doesn't know, I helped create, you

1951
02:02:36.880 --> 02:02:41.199
know, with my buddy of mine, helped create marsk's freefall program. What

1952
02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:44.680
we stood up the first couple of
courses, and I helped work all those

1953
02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:51.399
courses and helped build a lot of
the TTPs for it, so uh ntat

1954
02:02:51.680 --> 02:02:56.960
channel. Thank you very much.
Greetings gentlemen, listening in and being in

1955
02:02:57.079 --> 02:03:00.760
artilleryman, that's a task in itself. Suns out, guns out, That's

1956
02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:04.319
true. Artillery and mortars are tough
jobs. Yeah, they are, dude.

1957
02:03:04.439 --> 02:03:09.600
And that goes Leslie Sandusky and all
the other mortar guys that were in

1958
02:03:09.960 --> 02:03:12.399
my platoon back in the day.
I was super impressed with those guys.

1959
02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:14.520
I still keep in touch with a
lot of those guys still to this day.

1960
02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:17.560
They're a whole other level of ranger. I mean, no joke.

1961
02:03:17.800 --> 02:03:21.439
They're so underappreciated. Those guys are
some of the smartest guys in the Ranger

1962
02:03:21.479 --> 02:03:26.800
regiment and so underappreciated too, you
know. Yeah. Yeah, and it's

1963
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:31.439
like they carry like, no matter
what everybody's carrying, they're carrying even more.

1964
02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:34.640
Yeah, for sure. That's another
good point. They're carrying the heaviest

1965
02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:39.479
loads by far. Like you never
want those guys coming down the fast rope

1966
02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:45.399
after you, no, because that's
a really fast rope when they're coming down.

1967
02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:51.239
Yeah, grease that rope. Yeah. USBA National Security thank you very

1968
02:03:51.319 --> 02:03:57.800
much for the very generous donation cheers. Oh nice, awesome, thanks guys,

1969
02:03:58.920 --> 02:04:00.720
DJ Snead, thank you. Match. How does r r C different

1970
02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:06.319
from Force recap Con and Air Force
Special Reconnaissance? Uh? Is that the

1971
02:04:06.399 --> 02:04:11.760
customer or capability is omega, like
a f and AFO team are better.

1972
02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:15.039
I think that's there's like a good
question in there. I'm speaking to Adams

1973
02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:18.800
Mike about a lot of people wonder
about, like the difference between reconnaissance units.

1974
02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:23.159
There's like G Squadron, Black Squadron. Everyone has their own recon element

1975
02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:25.560
if you want to talk a little
bit about that. Yeah. So,

1976
02:04:25.880 --> 02:04:29.079
uh, like the the G Squadron
and Black Squadron guys. We worked with

1977
02:04:29.119 --> 02:04:33.119
those guys a lot too. They're
more I'd say they probably delve into slightly

1978
02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:36.880
different things that we did in RRC, but we had a lot of overlap

1979
02:04:36.960 --> 02:04:42.479
of capabilities, just like the guys
up at in Virginia as well, a

1980
02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:46.880
lot of overlapping capabilities there. Now, the Force Recon guys, I would

1981
02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:50.680
say like that, they're super solid
dudes, some of the best guys.

1982
02:04:50.680 --> 02:04:54.840
Like dude, I love marines period. There's a lot of great marines out

1983
02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:59.439
there, especially in that realm.
But they're their capabilities and their assets weren't

1984
02:04:59.640 --> 02:05:03.439
just weren't near what we had,
like we just had immense funding and uh

1985
02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:06.560
and who else was it that they
compared it to, Like, uh,

1986
02:05:08.560 --> 02:05:14.239
air Force, Air Force SRR guys, the Air Force Special Reconnaissance started off

1987
02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:16.359
as like the Air Force weather guys. I actually trained a bunch of those

1988
02:05:16.399 --> 02:05:23.760
guys last time, and they're just
their focus is more on the Air Force

1989
02:05:23.920 --> 02:05:26.479
aspect of it. So and I
don't want to get into a whole lot

1990
02:05:26.520 --> 02:05:28.359
of the details on that because a
lot of their stuff that they do is

1991
02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:33.560
pretty classified as well. Yeah,
and and like enabling fast movers to do

1992
02:05:33.640 --> 02:05:39.039
their job, so it's like different
than us defeating those types of targets.

1993
02:05:40.119 --> 02:05:42.920
But yeah, it's cool. It's
a cool thing, but it's all needed

1994
02:05:43.000 --> 02:05:45.079
out there. Like you can't just
like RC. You could probably do all

1995
02:05:45.199 --> 02:05:50.279
that different stuff and vice versa.
But we all have our little niche that

1996
02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:54.520
we really specialized in, and ours
was broad like Wrecky, the WRECKI niche

1997
02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:57.359
is pretty broad, yeah, and
ours was pretty broad. But a lot

1998
02:05:57.399 --> 02:06:00.920
of those guys, like the s
the Special Reconnaissance guys, there's a little

1999
02:06:00.960 --> 02:06:03.039
bit more focus in this area versus
these other guys a little more focused here.

2000
02:06:03.880 --> 02:06:08.840
The the reforce recon guy's more of
the tactical reckie focus. From what

2001
02:06:08.880 --> 02:06:13.479
I've seen, totally capable unit,
though, I mean, eventually it probably

2002
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.239
comes down to in a bar,
how much do you have to explain your

2003
02:06:16.319 --> 02:06:20.279
job versus how much do people already
know your job? Right? And that's

2004
02:06:20.319 --> 02:06:24.800
the thing with RC. Nobody knows
about it. Literally nobody knows about it,

2005
02:06:24.920 --> 02:06:27.560
Like it's all people. A lot
of times I was in probably one

2006
02:06:27.600 --> 02:06:30.560
of the smallest, you know,
little secretive units that you've never heard of,

2007
02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:31.079
you know what I mean, because
you probably haven't heard of it.

2008
02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:34.960
Yeah, that's what's cool about it. Yeah, can you get a chick

2009
02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:40.079
by just saying what you did?
If not, then nobody knows about it.

2010
02:06:40.279 --> 02:06:43.039
Only if you're in Navy seal,
right, only if you're all you

2011
02:06:43.119 --> 02:06:45.760
gotta do is Bavy seal boom.
Yeah, you got chicks, you got

2012
02:06:45.880 --> 02:06:53.840
jobs, you got everybody books,
books. I don't know that people know

2013
02:06:53.960 --> 02:06:56.600
about it though, like, like
you know about it, But I don't

2014
02:06:56.600 --> 02:06:59.960
think people know about it. I
just answered I literally knew about it because,

2015
02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:02.800
as Jack Murphy posted on the Team
House like RRC, like I I

2016
02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:08.479
mean like, we won't say the
numbers. It is fucking remarkably small.

2017
02:07:09.000 --> 02:07:13.760
We were talking before, like like
I was number seventy nine. I think

2018
02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:15.880
you said seventy eight. I don't
remember. I got the coin much later,

2019
02:07:16.159 --> 02:07:20.000
either seventy eight or seventy nine.
Memory, I remember seventy eight.

2020
02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:24.439
Okay, seventy eight. I'll take
your eight. It was number seventy eight

2021
02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:28.079
that ever graduated through the pipeline as
of when I graduated in two thousand and

2022
02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:30.560
eight or whatever. Yeah, yeah, two thousand and eight, two though,

2023
02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:33.359
yes, some yeah, uh,
bigger hitch. Thank you very much.

2024
02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:38.960
Tell us your UFO stories. Oh, I will tell you a really

2025
02:07:39.000 --> 02:07:43.159
cool one, actually very recent.
I don't know what this thing was,

2026
02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:45.199
but I reached out to a pilot
body of mine who works for skunk Works

2027
02:07:45.239 --> 02:07:48.000
now, and he was like,
yeah, we have this capabilities in the

2028
02:07:48.039 --> 02:07:56.000
OS military. I was teaching special
Recallaissance dudes from the two four STS guys

2029
02:07:56.039 --> 02:08:00.840
in their OTC pipeline. We were
out out in the desert out west.

2030
02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:03.439
I want to say anything specific,
because you know, dudes want to keep

2031
02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:09.600
theirself secret too, But we were
out there just doing just some basic patrolling

2032
02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:11.439
techniques. Right, We're like doing
it at night with night vision. I'm

2033
02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:15.840
stand out there with our thirty one's
on. I'm looking up and I look

2034
02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:18.479
at the dude that was with me, who was a Delta Force dude that

2035
02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:20.720
was, you know, teaching the
course with me, and I look up.

2036
02:08:20.760 --> 02:08:24.399
I'm my, holy crap, look
at that. We look up.

2037
02:08:24.479 --> 02:08:28.800
There's this thing that looks like a
boat. It's like ripping across the sky,

2038
02:08:30.279 --> 02:08:33.119
but it's leaving like a wake behind
it. I'm talking. It covered

2039
02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:37.239
from one horizon all the way to
the other horizon a matter of seconds.

2040
02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:41.359
But it was way up there.
You couldn't tell what it was or you

2041
02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:45.279
couldn't hear anything. There was no
sound. It was not as fast as

2042
02:08:45.359 --> 02:08:48.479
like a shooting star, but near
as fast, but it had a wake

2043
02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:52.119
coming off of it the whole time
and then just disappeared. Yeah, it

2044
02:08:52.199 --> 02:08:56.000
was like some sort of hypersonic aircraft. And I told my buddy about it,

2045
02:08:56.039 --> 02:08:58.000
explained it to him. He was
like, yeah, he's like,

2046
02:08:58.079 --> 02:09:01.720
we have aircraft like that, and
then you that are hypersonic, and I

2047
02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:03.159
was like, holy crap, hypersonic. I think it's like seven times the

2048
02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:07.399
speed of sound. Because I looked
it up. Something like that. I

2049
02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:09.039
was like, what, like,
if you ever want to like talk to

2050
02:09:09.159 --> 02:09:13.479
somebody who will geek out about this
stuff and knows their shit and is just

2051
02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:18.119
a blast to talk to. Talk
to Alex Hangings, just get just get

2052
02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:22.159
him on a call sometime and just
talk with him because he knows so much

2053
02:09:22.319 --> 02:09:26.760
and he's so fun to talk to
because he just loves it so much.

2054
02:09:28.199 --> 02:09:31.520
But he'll talk about hypersonics and like
newest developments and all that stuff all day

2055
02:09:31.640 --> 02:09:35.960
long. Well, I mean,
somebody came out recently with the UFO stuff

2056
02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:39.960
and said that that we have like
the UFOs. They're like, we have

2057
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:43.560
the capability in the US arsenal that
are crafts that are capable of that kind

2058
02:09:43.560 --> 02:09:46.720
of stuff you've seen. So I'm
like, dang, I wouldn't be surprised.

2059
02:09:48.199 --> 02:09:50.079
There's some there's some weird stuff out
there. I have no idea for

2060
02:09:50.159 --> 02:09:54.359
sure what it is, but I
mean what the SR seventy one was developed

2061
02:09:54.399 --> 02:09:58.000
back in like the sixties, So
I mean the stuff that I knew we

2062
02:09:58.039 --> 02:10:03.279
could do in two thousand and like
it, and for the viewers out there,

2063
02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:07.960
if we were read onto it,
it was probably just this very just

2064
02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:11.479
the edge of it. There's this
much more that was out there, Like

2065
02:10:11.600 --> 02:10:16.159
everything's so compartmentalized, like you have
to have a need to know, and

2066
02:10:16.199 --> 02:10:16.760
if you don't have a need to
know, you're not knowing about it.

2067
02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:20.840
Yeah. I guarantee you we have
stuff that we couldn't even fathom out there.

2068
02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:24.520
Yeah. Yeah, I mean think
about this. I went to Disney

2069
02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:28.359
about two years ago. The new
Star Wars ride was out there. If

2070
02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:33.039
anybody's ever been to that, it's
mind boggling like that. I saw stuff

2071
02:10:33.279 --> 02:10:37.239
happen in that ride that I'm like, how is this even possible? Like

2072
02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:39.960
there was this wall that I was
leaning up against. All of a sudden,

2073
02:10:39.000 --> 02:10:41.720
it just literally melted. You could
feel the heat coming off of like

2074
02:10:41.760 --> 02:10:45.800
someone cut it up with a laser
beam. We walked through it and like

2075
02:10:45.920 --> 02:10:48.680
we were on this ride getting escaped
through like these drones were shooting as lasers

2076
02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:52.479
are flying over, burning up the
bulkheads. It was like being in a

2077
02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:54.720
movie. And the technology that we
used for that, I guarantee you can

2078
02:10:54.760 --> 02:10:58.800
make cloaking devices. If you can
make a laser like the whole bulkhead look

2079
02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.960
like a laser beams flying over,
Yeah, and feel the heat from it

2080
02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:05.680
as it flies over Yeah, dude, it was the most realistic thing I've

2081
02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:07.920
ever seen. I think they just
I don't. I didn't do any research

2082
02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:11.119
in this video, so you know, I saw it and I didn't really

2083
02:11:11.159 --> 02:11:16.520
care. But there was a video
that I just saw that they said was

2084
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:20.399
in a Chinese theater and it looked
like flames were coming out of the screen

2085
02:11:20.479 --> 02:11:26.279
and across the top. Well,
I don't know if it was philosophical argument

2086
02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:30.319
of why we're in the matrix,
because like you start with like okay Atari,

2087
02:11:30.479 --> 02:11:33.640
video games were like this, right, and then video games got better,

2088
02:11:33.720 --> 02:11:35.520
and then they got better, and
like philosophically, if you can concede

2089
02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:41.720
those points, that's the argument that
we're all in this like matrix matrix like

2090
02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:46.079
video game. I'm still a philosophical
argument. I'm still waiting for the virtual

2091
02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:52.720
reality Deep Dive MMRPG that I can
just plug my brain into and like live

2092
02:11:52.800 --> 02:11:58.319
there. Yeah, you know,
gain levels exactly exactly. My video game

2093
02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:03.760
is pretty dope. Uh. Brian
Fitzgibbons, thank you guys. Someone called

2094
02:12:03.800 --> 02:12:07.960
Adam White and from behind the curtain
where we got him got them? Yeah,

2095
02:12:09.159 --> 02:12:13.239
Danny Roberts, thank you very much. What was Omega? Like?

2096
02:12:13.520 --> 02:12:16.239
How are the team roles or how
are they made up? Great interview,

2097
02:12:16.319 --> 02:12:22.920
Thank you guys. So Mega,
It's not like anything like crazy, spooky

2098
02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:26.359
secret or anything like that. I
don't I don't think it's a tactical element.

2099
02:12:26.840 --> 02:12:31.000
You have you know CIA dudes that
are contractors like you were you know

2100
02:12:31.239 --> 02:12:33.920
running or were you you were contractor
or your blue badge guy. Oh no,

2101
02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:41.000
but anyway, uh, they uh
doing contract work over there. They're

2102
02:12:41.079 --> 02:12:46.840
actually controlling the endage, running around
orchestrating what's going on on target. And

2103
02:12:46.960 --> 02:12:52.880
for us, as the military aspect
of it, we were the uh we

2104
02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:56.000
were basically like the command control right. We were the tie to Jaysuck.

2105
02:12:56.079 --> 02:13:00.760
So Jaysuck could bring in the close
air support fires out sets, we could

2106
02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:03.279
bring in the helicopters and things like
that because we were there. So we

2107
02:13:03.359 --> 02:13:07.920
were just a force multiplier. They
had their endage, the ground branch guys

2108
02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:13.119
controlled them and handled them there,
and then we just were force multiplier and

2109
02:13:13.159 --> 02:13:15.920
the fires and the assets to them. And you guys had all the authorities

2110
02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:18.760
that US military Haddy, we could
take custody of them. It was just

2111
02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:22.039
like I mean, they're over there
just kind of helping out the fight and

2112
02:13:22.279 --> 02:13:26.520
we bring what we can bring to
the table to you. Yeah. Yeah.

2113
02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:31.960
One thing tying back into Exodus that
the audience like it deserves mentioned again

2114
02:13:33.399 --> 02:13:39.479
is that by design, these guys
did not have affiliation or paperwork uh with

2115
02:13:39.680 --> 02:13:43.159
the Afghan government. So when the
team when the time came to like try

2116
02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:46.319
and bring them to the United States, Like, the frustrating part was by

2117
02:13:46.479 --> 02:13:50.720
design they were literally I mean it
sounds ridiculous at the bar, but they

2118
02:13:50.760 --> 02:13:54.239
were quite literally part of such a
top secret program that they didn't have any

2119
02:13:54.239 --> 02:13:58.760
of the affiliations. A lot of
it was mind blowing and it's strict irony

2120
02:13:58.840 --> 02:14:05.239
that it was like, but they're
quite literally and it makes it hard for

2121
02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:09.079
them to get out. It was
like the but it made me think of

2122
02:14:09.119 --> 02:14:11.399
the Omega program in the air you
guys, you know, yeah, and

2123
02:14:11.479 --> 02:14:15.800
their guys are probably similar to that
too, I mean, if not exactly

2124
02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:18.399
like that, but I know that's
one of the frustrating things we're trying to

2125
02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:22.640
get those guys out is because there's
not the best documentation kept on them.

2126
02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:26.039
I will say, quite quite literally, by by design, you know,

2127
02:14:26.880 --> 02:14:31.600
this literally mind blowing frustrating thing is
like, no, these guys are yeah,

2128
02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:37.680
the Exodus thing was, you know, it's yeah, yeah, it

2129
02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:43.319
was like, you know, I
cannot explain to you the frustration of like,

2130
02:14:43.800 --> 02:14:50.079
like these guys are so special that
there's literally nothing for me to prove

2131
02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:56.640
you have, but you have people
vouching for them America. But from the

2132
02:14:56.720 --> 02:15:01.239
eyes of like from the State Department, they're just he'll be from fucking right

2133
02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:05.039
right right right, you know what
I mean, Like you heard it here

2134
02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:13.560
first the State Department hates Hillbilly No, but it was like a crazy Americans

2135
02:15:13.199 --> 02:15:24.479
exactly. Uh, let's see here
body, Ah, thank you very much.

2136
02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:31.720
What does Marcellis Walls look like?
Isn't that he's got afro? Doesnt

2137
02:15:37.520 --> 02:15:43.840
uh any huge difference between G Squadron
and kag RECKI And again that's it's a

2138
02:15:43.840 --> 02:15:46.560
little different. I mean, that's
not my purview to talk about, but

2139
02:15:46.720 --> 02:15:50.640
like you know, I've worked with
those guys before and I couldn't really speak

2140
02:15:50.680 --> 02:15:52.159
on to that accurately. But you
know, I think, you know,

2141
02:15:54.039 --> 02:15:56.119
the different aspects like the juice spot
us are probably more on like this stuff

2142
02:15:56.159 --> 02:16:01.000
that we did kind of stuff.
You know, we're focused what was it

2143
02:16:01.039 --> 02:16:03.039
the wreck? You guys are more
like snipers from what I saw you know,

2144
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:09.880
yeah, did do you know if
we have anything from patroon so U

2145
02:16:15.119 --> 02:16:18.039
we we have. We have one
of our our Patreon get our Patreon members

2146
02:16:18.119 --> 02:16:26.319
in studio tonight like breathing in the
excellence. We got a few from Isaac.

2147
02:16:26.359 --> 02:16:28.159
I'm just gonna ask one. Did
you work with I s A.

2148
02:16:28.239 --> 02:16:31.199
I mean obviously you did. You
were in Jayson, Yeah, yeah,

2149
02:16:31.239 --> 02:16:39.760
I worked with those guys. Yeah. So so where can people find you

2150
02:16:39.879 --> 02:16:45.239
now if they want to? You
know, we've we've talked about us p

2151
02:16:45.360 --> 02:16:50.520
A Nationwide Security, Yeah, dot
com That's where I'm at. I'm like

2152
02:16:50.639 --> 02:16:54.920
the director of VIP security for us
PA Nationwide Security. Yeah, do that

2153
02:16:56.000 --> 02:16:58.000
from day to day, selling security
contracts and working that stuff. And then

2154
02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:03.479
when we have big events, travel
and help manage those events, uh with

2155
02:17:03.760 --> 02:17:07.319
with our buddy Brian Fitzgibbons and and
Dan Manning the CEO. And then you

2156
02:17:07.399 --> 02:17:09.840
know, Mike Evans, the owner
of the company, is such a great,

2157
02:17:09.920 --> 02:17:13.799
great, gracious guy to bring me
on to. I really appreciate everything

2158
02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:16.680
those guys have done for me.
It's it's literally the best company you could

2159
02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:20.280
ever dream of working for. I
mean, in my opinion, Yeah,

2160
02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:22.719
I've only worked for a few but
I couldn't imagine anything better. That's fantastic.

2161
02:17:22.840 --> 02:17:28.639
You mentioned like mission earlier. It's
it's like far from the flagpole for

2162
02:17:28.799 --> 02:17:31.040
us, like we you know,
we bullshit chat. It's like it gives

2163
02:17:31.120 --> 02:17:35.760
us like it's like an Avengers kind
of group, like and you know,

2164
02:17:35.920 --> 02:17:41.239
we do real stuff. Man.
But yeah, it's it's been great.

2165
02:17:41.239 --> 02:17:43.639
I mean to be distance teammate and
friend, like he's Mike Edwards. Is

2166
02:17:43.719 --> 02:17:48.719
Mike Edwards, you know, but
yeah, it's uh, love you man,

2167
02:17:50.079 --> 02:17:56.920
cameras expect what happened to you?
What happened a lot? Man?

2168
02:17:58.360 --> 02:18:03.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a
lot the Hawthorne effect. And I appreciate

2169
02:18:03.360 --> 02:18:07.479
ad him for letting me stay with
him last night and he's last night was

2170
02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:11.399
hilter. So we just lit a
fire, listened to the last Mohican soundtrack,

2171
02:18:13.159 --> 02:18:16.479
had Tito's and gatorade and ice cream
sandwiches. Yeah, and talked about

2172
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:20.000
like the Bible and everything else.
Yeah, it was a good time.

2173
02:18:20.639 --> 02:18:22.360
The fire was perfect. Yeah.
No, it's a it's a it's a

2174
02:18:22.719 --> 02:18:28.239
waits and Gatorie. What what is
that called? I don't know, Tata

2175
02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:37.879
Rade, I don't know you guys
shirts when no well Last Mohicans was I

2176
02:18:37.959 --> 02:18:43.680
mean, it's well, we were
talking about it last time we were together.

2177
02:18:43.879 --> 02:18:46.120
We were in a hotel in Miami
and I pulled my hair back to

2178
02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:50.879
like the Daniel d Lewis Last of
the Mohicans look, and that's what we

2179
02:18:50.959 --> 02:18:52.440
were talking about. And then he
put on the music. Yeah, no,

2180
02:18:52.600 --> 02:18:56.159
I have like the physical CD.
Uh. Yeah, Last Time was

2181
02:18:56.159 --> 02:19:00.239
awesome, not that all that.
It's one of the finest movies with one

2182
02:19:00.280 --> 02:19:05.479
of the finest that was it.
Uh, it was a good movie.

2183
02:19:05.079 --> 02:19:09.719
Yeah. But the scene where he
takes out like kill scene, yeah,

2184
02:19:09.959 --> 02:19:13.559
with a hatchet. Yeah, yeah, every warriors dream. Yeah, exactly

2185
02:19:15.639 --> 02:19:18.440
one of the reasons I carried a
hatchet for a while. I never got

2186
02:19:18.520 --> 02:19:22.479
a kill and realized how absolutely uncomfortable
it was. Yeah, but a gaudy

2187
02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:24.319
thing to be carrying. Yeah,
but if it ever came out, if

2188
02:19:24.319 --> 02:19:28.280
it ever came up, it would
have been amazing. It would have been

2189
02:19:28.319 --> 02:19:33.879
amazing. And like what sort of
capabilities you guys were if you can talk

2190
02:19:33.879 --> 02:19:37.040
about it, like what sort of
train you guys are doing? Well,

2191
02:19:37.159 --> 02:19:39.840
you know, like how did that
go? That's a good question. Yeah,

2192
02:19:39.239 --> 02:19:43.719
I really loved that we did.
We did a lot of jumps in

2193
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:46.840
r see. We we a lot
of people consider us to be in one

2194
02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:50.000
of the more proficient jump elements out
there. But we would jump as high

2195
02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:56.120
as it goes high as thirty five
thousand feet pre breathing oxygen jumping out.

2196
02:19:56.680 --> 02:19:58.920
Most of what our capabilities we trained
around a lot was high, too high

2197
02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:03.719
opening, so jumping. The highest
you can open a canopy via like us

2198
02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:05.920
Army rags is twenty five thousand feet. Wow, so we jump out at

2199
02:20:05.959 --> 02:20:09.280
twenty You can jump higher than that, you can't open it right, So

2200
02:20:09.360 --> 02:20:13.760
we jump out at twenty five thousand
feet right off the ramp, deploy right

2201
02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:16.600
off the ramp. You're under canopy
at like twenty four thousand, five hundred

2202
02:20:16.639 --> 02:20:22.719
feet on their oxygen nav boards down
with like GPS and like modern day with

2203
02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:26.120
like GPS and stuff like that,
and we can literally fly like different distances

2204
02:20:26.159 --> 02:20:31.799
depending on the winds, like thirty
forty kilometers. That's amazing. So the

2205
02:20:31.879 --> 02:20:35.159
glid ratio of the ones we were
jumping at, most of them are about

2206
02:20:35.159 --> 02:20:37.559
four to one. It depends there's
some out there that are pushing close to

2207
02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:43.360
five to one. Different types of
canopies, the ones that most you guys,

2208
02:20:43.479 --> 02:20:46.360
use are four to one, So
when you're talking about a glade ratio,

2209
02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:48.440
you talk about the amount you can
afford four feet to drive to.

2210
02:20:50.239 --> 02:20:54.200
And it depends on the wind too, so we're always going to jump typically

2211
02:20:54.319 --> 02:20:58.120
up win so we're running with the
wind, so it magnifies that. So

2212
02:20:58.239 --> 02:21:01.159
we can cover a lot of distance. But yeah, we could jump anywhere

2213
02:21:01.280 --> 02:21:05.479
land pretty much anywhere at any time
in pretty much any environment. Like clouds

2214
02:21:05.559 --> 02:21:07.959
kind of limit us. We can
still jump through them, but it's super

2215
02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:13.000
dangerous and a lot of planning considerations. But I loved it, man,

2216
02:21:13.200 --> 02:21:15.120
I did it, taught it out
the free Fall School, taught it as

2217
02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:18.920
a contractor for a while. I
really enjoyed flying the canopy piece of it,

2218
02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:22.440
teaching the body flight. But my
body was just tired of it.

2219
02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:24.239
So when I took the break,
it was like, Eh, I guess

2220
02:21:24.239 --> 02:21:28.239
I'm done with it. Yeah,
what what makes a cloud or jumping through

2221
02:21:28.280 --> 02:21:33.479
a cloud dangerous? You can't see, especially at night time, it's just

2222
02:21:33.600 --> 02:21:37.399
hard to see. And if you
can't it's hard to see guys anyway,

2223
02:21:37.520 --> 02:21:39.920
Like when I used to jump with
students, like with the Marsak guys,

2224
02:21:39.959 --> 02:21:45.680
I would be like stay tight going
out because the plane's traveling at one hundred

2225
02:21:45.680 --> 02:21:48.239
and thirty knots across the ground.
So as every dude goes out, they're

2226
02:21:48.239 --> 02:21:52.760
getting spread out by hundreds of meters. So you got a twelve man team,

2227
02:21:54.159 --> 02:21:56.680
a special forces team, whatever going
out. By the time I'm the

2228
02:21:56.760 --> 02:22:00.719
last cout, the other dudes over
a kilometer away from me. So at

2229
02:22:00.840 --> 02:22:03.159
nighttime picking that dude up, especially
when you have city lights in the background

2230
02:22:03.479 --> 02:22:07.840
and they're all sparkling, you're like
looking through night vision, it's really hard

2231
02:22:07.879 --> 02:22:11.200
to tell where your dudes are,
where the strobe is versus the background city

2232
02:22:11.280 --> 02:22:13.840
lights. So being accurate with everything
you do, like I used to harp

2233
02:22:13.879 --> 02:22:16.879
on, dudes, get out,
fly your body, deploy, keep your

2234
02:22:16.920 --> 02:22:20.879
canopy on heading, and steer it
to the direction we need to go to

2235
02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:24.559
the drop someone. Because one dude
could turn the wrong way for ten seconds,

2236
02:22:24.879 --> 02:22:28.319
he's a half a kilometer in the
wrong direction right, and trying to

2237
02:22:28.719 --> 02:22:31.840
round that dude up is just challenging. So there's a lot of precision that's

2238
02:22:31.920 --> 02:22:35.680
involved, and doing that very well
accurately and like repeatable, that's like the

2239
02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:39.840
most amazing through the clouds like that. Yeah, yeah, oh, dude.

2240
02:22:39.920 --> 02:22:43.479
Yeah, you'll see what daytime and
full disclosure at night. I can't

2241
02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:48.079
imagine. I've done jumps before when
I didn't see another dude because we were

2242
02:22:48.120 --> 02:22:50.079
in clouds for ten thousand feet wow, and then we popped out of the

2243
02:22:50.120 --> 02:22:52.600
clouds and like, oh, where's
everybody. Oh, everybody's kind of close

2244
02:22:52.680 --> 02:22:56.079
by. Thank god we didn't collide
with each other. You can entangle canopies.

2245
02:22:56.120 --> 02:22:58.879
I mean you could run into another
dude's canopy and entangle and you wouldn't

2246
02:22:58.879 --> 02:23:03.559
know, so it's already happened.
Yeah, question you got. Why is

2247
02:23:03.719 --> 02:23:09.120
the MP seven still your favorite gun? I wouldn't say necessarily it's my favorite

2248
02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:15.120
gun, but it's definitely my favorite
Lovz gun at the time. There's probably

2249
02:23:15.159 --> 02:23:18.680
better stuff out there now, who
knows, but it was my favorite gun

2250
02:23:18.079 --> 02:23:20.799
for Loviz stuff, like, I
you know, if you're if I'm going

2251
02:23:20.840 --> 02:23:24.239
into kick indoors and kill bad guys, I'm still gonna prefer to have like

2252
02:23:24.239 --> 02:23:28.680
an AR fifteen or something and some
some sort of caliber. But for like

2253
02:23:28.840 --> 02:23:35.159
Loviz stuff, that was my favorite
gun because it was small kind of at

2254
02:23:35.239 --> 02:23:39.280
the time, it was pretty modular
and compact, and then it had that

2255
02:23:39.399 --> 02:23:41.799
suppressor on it. That made it, you know, pretty quiet too,

2256
02:23:43.200 --> 02:23:46.280
But yeah, it was. It
was a unique gun. Yeah, I

2257
02:23:46.440 --> 02:23:50.520
liked it a lot. So I
have a question because, like, as

2258
02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:54.639
an old school ranger who fielded like
the first round of SR twenty five that

2259
02:23:54.799 --> 02:23:58.959
did not have a Ford assist,
And let me tell you, not having

2260
02:23:58.000 --> 02:24:03.760
a Ford assist on an they are
fucking built, like gun gun was horrible

2261
02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:07.639
when you're trying to be stealthy because
you're trying to seat the round sometimes drop

2262
02:24:07.479 --> 02:24:11.920
dropping it hard. Took off the
one ten which I had. Did they

2263
02:24:11.959 --> 02:24:16.920
ever put an afford a fist on
an SR twenty five? I believe they.

2264
02:24:16.479 --> 02:24:20.040
I thought they did, but I
may be wrong. I think they

2265
02:24:20.120 --> 02:24:24.319
did. I'd have to, you
know, it was so horrible, like

2266
02:24:24.399 --> 02:24:26.840
if you would like because obviously I
only use it on training exercises, but

2267
02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:31.200
like you get stand in or whatever
and then you sit there and try and

2268
02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:37.600
seat the round and bab jumps.
Yeah. Yeah, you know you saying

2269
02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:41.639
that they didn't have a Ford assist
gets me thinking now because if you were

2270
02:24:41.680 --> 02:24:43.600
to just ask me, hey,
does an s R twenty five? I

2271
02:24:43.600 --> 02:24:48.000
would have been like, absolutely,
guys. The gun nuts are for melting

2272
02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:52.920
down, right, now they're melting
since I've seen it SR twenty five.

2273
02:24:52.680 --> 02:24:56.719
Yeah, I mean they weren't cool
because they were like, like you guys

2274
02:24:56.719 --> 02:25:01.159
said they were based on the they
had a suppressor, like they were so

2275
02:25:01.319 --> 02:25:05.040
badass, but they didn't have a
FOURD assist, which made it horrible.

2276
02:25:05.200 --> 02:25:11.559
That's crazy. I thought they did. So Yeah, all right, Uh,

2277
02:25:11.920 --> 02:25:18.520
if they're that's it. So next
week we're gonna have Yaya Fanusi is

2278
02:25:18.600 --> 02:25:22.399
gonna be on the show. He
was a CIA analyst. Dave's gonna be

2279
02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:26.159
out. Uh. So we're gonna
have a special guest host, James Powell

2280
02:25:26.319 --> 02:25:31.680
coming back. Nice. Oh he's
gonna be doing the interview with me.

2281
02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:37.239
Uh. And I also want to
shout out to Costa Carabo Cigars uh providing

2282
02:25:37.280 --> 02:25:41.600
the cigars for this show, good
friend of mine. These are the don

2283
02:25:41.680 --> 02:25:46.159
Nello Torpedoes that he gave us.
Awesome cigars. I hope you guys will

2284
02:25:46.200 --> 02:25:48.719
go check them out COSA dot Com. I want to give a shout out

2285
02:25:48.760 --> 02:25:54.799
to Jack you love the Shadow and
the Old time a Radio shows. A

2286
02:25:54.840 --> 02:26:00.239
buddy of mine put together a cole
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2287
02:26:00.360 --> 02:26:05.520
E. It's an old timey style
radio show on all the podcast platforms.

2288
02:26:05.719 --> 02:26:09.479
It's a comedy, but it's based
off the old pulpit the old yeah,

2289
02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:13.840
exactly, all the old pulp like
radio shows. But check it out on

2290
02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:20.319
Spotify, Apple or iTunes everything else. So, Mike Adam, any final

2291
02:26:20.399 --> 02:26:24.040
thoughts before we roll out tonight.
Thank you all for bringing me back for

2292
02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:26.680
a third time. I appreciate it
and good to see you in person again.

2293
02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:30.319
Guy. You guys are welcome back
on anytime. Man. I really

2294
02:26:30.600 --> 02:26:33.280
really appreciate you coming all the way
out here. Shoot. Yeah, I

2295
02:26:33.399 --> 02:26:37.440
enjoyed it anytime man, both video. Yeah, I mean I'm just happy

2296
02:26:37.479 --> 02:26:43.479
to be here man. Yeah,
Like my life is a movie like you

2297
02:26:43.600 --> 02:26:48.760
guys. Yeah alright, so yeah, I will see you guys next Friday

2298
02:26:48.840 --> 02:26:50.680
with mister Powell. And that's awesome. Take